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Have you ever looked at a piece of history and
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realized the most important person in the room
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was the one nobody bothered to write down? Today,
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we're talking about the film that sounds like
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somebody with a head code or a spelling mistake,
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Hamnet, and not Hamlet. It's Hamnet. Stratford
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-upon -Avon, late 1500s. Not the postcard version,
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the muddy, loud, frankly, it smells like wet
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leather and livestock version. But before you
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think, I'm going highbrow literature here. That's
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not what we're doing. Because it's not about
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the dusty old books. It's about the stuff that
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keeps us up at 3 a .m. Movie Monday, Hamnet Coco,
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Mother's Day, yesterday. Yeah, let's kick it
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off, right? Whole two weeks of mothers. But now
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we're going to do two full weeks of mother -themed
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movies, TV shows. We're going all out for the
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moms. Now, how was Mother's Day for you over
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there, Coco? Mother's Day is always great if
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you... Don't demand what you need out of Mother's
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Day. I have a lot of moms that are online are
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like, I hate Mother's Day. Nobody does anything
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for me. It sucks. And I'm like, how do you not
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just plop yourself down on the couch and say,
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day off. Y 'all are taking care of me today.
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Because that's kind of what I do. Yeah. All right.
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But I do. I'm like, I work hard. Today is my
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day. We went to the zoo. Nancy wanted to go to
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the zoo. I'm like, all right. And there was lots
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of moms at the zoo. The zoo was packed. I started
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thinking about it. I was like, why do so many
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moms want to go to the zoo for Mother's Day?
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And I came up with two answers. One, it's because
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they want to leave their kids there because they're
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feral anyway, and they want to keep them at the
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zoo. That's probably not it. I think the second
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part is maybe it's that primal. Part of being
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a mother. You want to be around. Yeah. Yeah.
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Remember when we did Night Bitch? Yeah. There
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you go. You know, like going back to giving birth
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in a pile of hay or something. Yeah. Digging
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in the dirt, whatever it is. But I think that
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might be, there might be a trigger there. There
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might be something that. women connect to. Cause
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for father's day, I don't think I want to go
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to the zoo, but then again, father's day is a
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month later in June and it's probably going to
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be 120 degrees. So there's a, there's a, yeah,
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I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I think part of it
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is moms want not all moms. Let's be honest. No
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judgment. You want to spend a day. My mom was
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one of those that was like, she said to us yesterday,
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she goes, do you, do you guys even remember what
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we did on mother's day? I didn't see you all
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day. She was like, I wanted you gone. I was in
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my room all day. I didn't want to be bothered.
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I didn't want to be touched. But I think for
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a lot of moms, they're like, I do want a day
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with my family. I want to spend it with my kids.
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I just don't want to take care of anybody. I
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just want a break. So it's nice if we can go
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to the zoo, but I can relax and enjoy the zoo
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for once. That's how I see it. I would be like,
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okay, dads. whoever, you know, it's like you
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plan it, you pack the bags, you pack the car,
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you make sure everybody has their water bottles.
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I'm going to get in the car and wait to be taken
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to the zoo. Yeah. No, I see that too. Yeah. I
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see that. Yeah. Makes sense to me. I love the
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zoo though. Love the zoo. Let's get into, let's
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get into movie Monday though. Hamnet. Wait. One
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that you put on the docket probably wouldn't
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have come across my radar. But then again, it
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would have because it did get nominated for a
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bunch of awards. And, you know, you start watching
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this movie. And for me, it took me a couple of
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times to get through this movie. Got to get to
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the beginning.
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If you're not in the mood for
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something like this, you're not going to want
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to sit there and watch it. So you've got to kind
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of prep yourself that you're going back to the
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1500s. You're going to go. living this dirty
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just i mean it's wet it's raining all the time
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like i just i felt like i needed a bath watching
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it at home yeah pretty realistic and i mean honestly
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that period of time in that place it probably
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was very stinky nobody hours nobody took baths
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there's a reason there was um the bubonic plague
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yeah it's dirty it was a little dirty Yeah, so
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we're in 1580s Stratford -upon -Avon. You know,
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like I said, it's not your pretty postcard version.
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It's not your beautiful scenery movie. Don't
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get me wrong, it is a beautiful movie, but it's
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not going to make you feel clean. And we've got
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a guy named Will, Glovemaker's son, basically
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the Elizabethan version. of his dad has a small
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business and he's trying to not take it over
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like that's what he's got going on he meets artist
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yeah he meets agnes who history calls anne hathaway
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and labels her a shrew who trapped him into marriage
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that's what history kind of lays her out but
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maggie maggie o 'farrell the writer here says
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uh and i'm with her on this says wait a minute
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Not so fast. What if she was, you know, magic?
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What if there was some other stuff that goes
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on with Anne Hathaway and Agnes here? So you
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got, all in all, one marriage, three kids, two
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twins named Hamnet and Judith, and one very hungry,
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very patient fleet carrying the Black Plague.
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That's kind of what this movie comes down to.
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Coco, what'd you think about this flick here,
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overall? Well, you know, the gritty, dirty England
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countryside, all that aside, the aesthetic of
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the movie is absolutely right up my alley. In
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fact, I've been doing a lot of marketing and
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branding work for Prism Healing, my business,
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and trying to figure out what does the branding
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look like? What are kind of the aesthetics? And
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this movie came up as a suggestion. You know,
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those who've been listening to you. me and practically
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magic podcast, or, you know, if you follow me
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at all, you know, I love practical magic. Yeah.
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Covered that in the witch movie project, because
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again, that aesthetic, the general vibe of that
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movie is a hundred percent, you know, what I
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try to help people understand what magic really
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looks like. I mean, You can go really magical
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with it. You can go Harry Potter with it. You
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can be like, oh, you know, magic wand sparkles
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come out. There's something transforms into something
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else and blah, blah, blah. Real actual magic,
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quantum physics, spicy psychology, whatever you
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want to call it. More like this movie Hamnet
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than most other ways that Hollywood could portray,
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you know, what it means to be powerful, what
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it means to be a healer. And I think. That is
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my favorite part about this movie is why this
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show that strength. And, you know, there was
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some criticism. I mean, with witch talk being
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a thing, you know, they're like, it probably
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most likely wouldn't have looked like this if
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she had been what they called a cunning woman.
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But there were many men and women in the societies
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of that time and age and before that, that were
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portrayed as. And the etymology of the word witch
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comes from the person who everyone came to for
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healing and help in some way. And I've talked
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about this before. One of the things I culturally
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love about whales in particular is that they
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had less witch trials during this time period.
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You know, King James and the witch trials that
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started at some point after this. We know about
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that history. But whales in particular, they
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did not see their witches. or whatever their
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word for witch is, the Swinrike, the cunning
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women, they did not see them as evil in any way.
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In fact, they saw them as the person you would
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go to if you were having a problem. Like, instead
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of blaming the witches for cursing the land and
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the crops are dying or the cows are dying or
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whatever, you know, might be going on, rather
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than blaming the witches, they would have blamed
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the Fae. And they would have gone to a witch
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to ask for help. And I think Agnes' character
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in this movie perfectly portrays that type of
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person where she had wisdom passed down to her.
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Her and her brother commiserate over like the
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wise words that their mother had spoken to them
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and how they were taught how to use herbs and
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medicines and help women give birth and things
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like that. You see that come out in them and
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then she's teaching it and that's how she nurtures
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her own children. Yeah. She's intuitive. She
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has visions. She trusts her visions. She's not
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somebody who's like, I think I saw something
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in a dream, but I don't know. That's a little
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weird. She's like, no, I saw this. This is what's
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going to happen. I don't know how it's going
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to come about, but I do know that I saw two people
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at my deathbed. Or, you know, she has these premonitions
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and then she just goes with it. And she's confident
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in what she believes. I just love this movie
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for all of that element. I'm a big fan of Shakespeare,
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you know, being a theater person. Yeah. Shakespeare
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did some cool stuff. Oh, yeah. But, I mean, we've
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praised him enough. Do we think maybe, like,
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over the centuries? Exactly. And we can get into
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all the conspiracies about Shakespeare, who he
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was, was it one man, was it a woman, was it multiple
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people? Like, there's all these questions and
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all this stuff. You know, Do you think, do you
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have premonitions? Is premonitions, are those
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common? Or can we just call dreams a premonition?
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I mean, sometimes they are a dream. Some people,
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that's how they receive their downloads, if you
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will. I text you over the weekend. I had a dream
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about me and you. Oh, yeah, we haven't talked
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about that. No. I was going to ask you, what
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was that about? I have no clue. So you had a
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dream. Tell us about this. Let me text. Let me
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read the text that I sent you here because. I
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was a little busy hanging out at prom with your
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wife. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was texting
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you while you were out at prom with my wife.
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Yeah. Yeah. But I had a dream. And here it is.
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I said I had a dream that me and you talked about
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back rooms. Like super vivid to the point I actually
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had to look up our recordings and see. I went.
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I did. I got up. It was like middle of the night.
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I went up. I was like, did we talk about this
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or not? We actually were filming this in the
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back rooms. Now, I don't know if you're familiar
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with the back rooms yet, but you will be soon.
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Yeah. Let's just leave it at that. All right.
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Let's leave it at that. The back rooms are coming.
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There's an A24 movie coming called Back Rooms
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also. Oh. May 29th. And back rooms are a different
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genre. It's a new genre. I don't want to take
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away from Hamnet, though. Back to that movie.
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A dream? Yeah. Okay, so I do think information
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comes through dreams. And I think that if you're
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really good at deciphering, this dream felt like
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it meant something. There was a message behind
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it. Sometimes you can even feel that the dream
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didn't come from you. And I don't know how to
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explain that any other way. Just that I know
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that dream wasn't me. Wasn't my subconscious.
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It was like a download from the collective consciousness
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or something. Is that channeling? Is that what
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channeling is? Is that different? What is this?
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I mean, there might be some people wiser than
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me and in a different way that would say it's
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different or that there's different. I don't
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think so. I think that the channels in which
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something comes from the ether, the collective
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consciousness, whatever you want to call it,
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the universe, it's coming. In just different
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ways. I think people can feel it in their body.
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They can hear it through their clear audience.
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You know, there's different gifts that we receive
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information. But I think it's about developing
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those gifts and being more into it, allowing
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yourself to be trusting your intuition. Like,
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I feel this in my gut. I feel that this is, you
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know, I'm being led to this or I'm being told
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this or however it comes to you. And I think
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it can come to people a lot of different ways.
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I don't think there's anybody more gifted than
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anyone else. I think there's people who develop
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the gifts, who develop the skills, and who lean
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into it. I think there are others who are like,
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I don't know anything about that. Woo -woo is
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weird to me. And they're not interested in developing
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those gifts. You mentioned the universe playing
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a part in this. And I think it did because you
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got all this stuff going on. And the real gut
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punch is... Tell me this doesn't feel like a
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modern thriller slash drama. You know, you get
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the plague creeping through England and it's
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not an if, it's a when. You got Hamnet, the boy,
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and his twin, Judith, sister, getting sick. They
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try to trick death. You ever try to bargain with
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the universe? take me not them that's what this
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11 year old kid does it's what him does and here
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we go the universe being the cold -hearted bitch
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that it can be says deal yeah and that's what
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happens so think about what happens after this
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is there survivor's guilt that kicks in living
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in that house you know does judith feel like
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she's only half of a set that's left because
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she lost this What happened in that scene?
That
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scene's incredible, by the way. It's about halfway
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in the movie when they try to trick Death and,
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yeah, Death takes Hamnet. There's an X -Files
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episode about that. There is, right? It's occurring
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to me just now. I'm like, you see Death coming
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for you and you turn your head. Scully is going
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to live forever because she turned her eyes away
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from Death. This is a powerful story because
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it doesn't just give us the snapshot of the Shakespeare
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family and what happened to them. It's about
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this trauma and grief that shatters and ripples
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through, you know, generations. I truly believe,
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and, you know, some people talk about this in
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the witch community of, like, the witch wound.
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Things that happened in that period of time.
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This was pre... witch hunt, witch trial time.
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But it was still like, you know, Christianity
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being what it was at that time, it was creeping
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in, right? Like, no, King Henry VIII was also
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suspicious of witchcraft and would accuse and
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behead those that he felt were using malicious
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witchcraft against him. So it was creeping in
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as something that people were starting to fear.
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You know, this... plague i mean so many people
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losing family members how can that not ripple
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through the generations afterwards of people
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losing children and you know holding their own
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child in their arms while they died i mean it's
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just oh the heaviness and tragedy of it so powerful
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yeah that agnes shares and william as well i
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mean that they share in this he's kind of a little
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bit removed because he's living in london you
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know writing plays and doing that removed from
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his family. And we know that, but there's this
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connection with them. There's this connection.
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And that that scene at the end where they share
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in that grief, where she realizes he wrote this
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play Hamlet in honor of their son. And she's
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on the edge of the stage reaching out for him.
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Oh my gosh. I get chills all over my body. How
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can you not? It's hard, but let's, let's talk
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about will. And you said it like he's living
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in London. He's becoming the bard. Yeah, he's
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the original himself. He's the original. I'm
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doing this for the family dad who was never actually
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with the family. You know, how many of us have
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used the hustle or the career as a shield from
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keeping from dealing with heavy stuff at home?
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He's writing. Think about this. Think about this.
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He is writing fucking comedies while his son
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is being buried. Is he a genius? yeah is he a
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deadbeat maybe a little bit you know i think
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so but it's the tension we all feel for sure
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i mean yeah i mean this is where you go back
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to the conversation we've had before about uh
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about mothers and fathers who are artists or
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passionate dreamers ambitious people life in
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in what's portrayed in this movie and book is
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that he didn't want to be a simple you know glove
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maker or tradesman or anything like that. He
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had these ambitions and dreams, right? He had
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these stories to tell. He wanted to be on the
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stage or behind the scenes of the stage, writing
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the words that he wrote. And you see all this
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like passion and I have to be in London. I have
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to be there. And she's like, I can't be there,
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but I know you have to be there and I will support
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you. Right. So she's going to stay home, raise
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the kids out in the countryside. She's going
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to sacrifice having her husband there and available.
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but knowing that this is what he's got to do.
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How many times have we seen a story like that?
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And I'm glad it focuses on her in this movie
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because, again, we're going back to Mother's
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Day themed, but she made the sacrifices to make
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the family work. And so he, you know, even in
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losing his son, but not just in losing his son,
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in day -to -day
parenting life, he gets to kind
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of avoid it, right? He gets to see London writing.
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He talked about channeling. He can channel and
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transmute that grief energy and probably a lot
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of guilt. Yep. Of not being there, not being
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with his kids and not being there for his son's
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last moments. All these things channels it into
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the art. Yeah. Hamlet. Right. And I think that's
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it. I think that's a tension that we all feel,
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you know, trying to build a legacy. while the
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foundation is cracking under our own feet. He's
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trying to leave a mark. People trying to leave
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a mark, you don't need to try so hard sometimes.
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Yeah. There's no real winning at it, or there's
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no real right or wrong way to do it. No. I mean,
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you can give a lot of criticism to somebody like
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William Shakespeare and be like, you abandoned
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your family to go be a big star in London. But
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then also, he's Shakespeare. Exactly. And that's
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where I'm going to go, because he's got art,
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and it's basically an exorcism, if you think
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about it. I mean, four years later, he writes
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Hamlet, not Hamnet, after his son Hamlet. People
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think it's about the Prince of Denmark. I think
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it's a seance. You know, imagine being Agnes.
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You lost your son. Your husband has been gone
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for years. And then you hear he's written a play
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called... Exactly the name of your dead kids.
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Yeah. You're not going to just cast that as to
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the side. You're going to go to the theater.
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You go see your husband on a stage playing the
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ghost. The father is the ghost. And the son Hamlet
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is the one left behind. He literally swapped
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their fates on stage so he could talk to his
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son one more time. That's beautiful, right? I
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don't think I've ever seen Shakespeare performed.
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so well than that scene right there i mean yeah
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because there was all this new information behind
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it that just made you your stomach and your heart
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drop and this is the thing about shakespeare
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because a lot of people can have their thoughts
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about it yeah it'd be really boring it can be
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really awful to sit through trust me i know i
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was in theater for many years sometimes it can
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just be like oh yeah but when it's performed
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really well. It is fantastic. We have the Cedar
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City, the Shakespeare Festival here in Utah every
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year, and sometimes those performances are just
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above and beyond. Just absolutely amazing. I
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gotta point out, I love the one scene there when
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they're on the stage in the middle -ish of the
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movie, and he's got two of the actors, two of
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the players, and they're doing the lines back
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and forth, and he keeps saying, again, again.
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Again. And finally, he says, you're just basically
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I'm paraphrasing. He says, you're just saying
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these words. Yeah. Like and I felt that I'm like,
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yeah, you're right. You've got to feel this.
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You can't just be reciting because that's where
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you fall into what you're talking about. And
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it's boring as hell. I'd rather watch paint dry
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or grass grow. You know, like language. I mean,
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gosh, just just to think about how he came up
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with. basically making poetry out of everyday
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conversation. And it's just incredible, really.
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After watching this movie, we watched the Leonardo
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DiCaprio, Romeo and Juliet. And I made my 11
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-year -old watch it with me. And I was like,
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you need to know how incredible these words actually
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are. And that movie is one really great way to
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see how that comes to play. What an incredible
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movie. What an incredible soundtrack for that
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movie as well. Oh, I know. Yeah. 90s. Yeah. We
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can get into more about William Shakespeare,
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but back to Agnes, the mother, and this incredible
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portrayal of somebody who just, if this is how
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she really was, she deserves all this spotlight
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on her in this movie to show. The wisdom that
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she had, the connection to nature, the nurturing
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mothering that she was giving her children, everything
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about her just, it felt like home to me. Or what
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I wanted. Yeah. You know, what I wanted to feel.
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And I wanted to be more like her as a mother
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in this movie. I want my kids to gather around
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so I can show them how to smell. the time and
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Rosemary in the garden and what it's for. And,
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you know, these medicines that grow from nature
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and the way she, when she was getting ready to
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give birth to her first child and she had to
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be in the woods, she had to be, that was so incredible.
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Back to that, like primal, you know, urge to
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be in nature and be around animals. We were talking
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about going to the zoo for Mother's Day. I'm
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like that. Makes sense to me. When they tried
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to keep her from it in her second birth and they
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were like, no, you can't go out there. It's literally
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flooding out there. You can't go to the woods.
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And she's like, I have to be in the woods. I
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just felt that everywhere. Yeah. You do like
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the woods. I do. I loved the imagery. And you
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kind of got a feel for that. Like you talked
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about like the dirty feeling. I wonder if it
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was a conscious choice. It probably was. Obviously,
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everything with movie making was a conscious
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choice. But, you know, more in the house or in
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civilization, it felt dirty. But you notice how
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different it felt when they went out into the
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woods? It was green. It was clean. It was, even
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if it was raining and wet, it was somewhere I
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still wanted to be. Yes, I did notice. Had to
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be conscious. There's no way in hell I would
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ever want to be in the streets anywhere near
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Stratford -upon -Avon. No way. Yeah. What do
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they call them? The chamber pots? Yeah. Yeah.
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No way. It was just like chamber pots being dumped
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out the window into the streets. Yeah. No, no,
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no. Thank you. You know who I just thought about
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was great at performing Shakespeare? Will Friedle
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in Boy Meets World. Remember the episode that
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he. Yeah. Everybody out of the water. And that's
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real. I mean, sure, he's doing it great on the
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show, but he actually performed it. really really
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well i there's there's probably tons of people
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that can perform shakespeare shakespeare really
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well uh but there are a lot more who can perform
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it way way too bad and yeah there can be some
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stiff performances for sure and i have um you
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know we talked about this before on the on the
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podcast but uh i have judged high school drama
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for many years and sometimes you get assigned
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classic scenes And I'm not going to lie. I'm
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a little bit like, okay. Yeah. All right. We're
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going to be listening to a lot of Shakespeare
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today or whatever, you know, sit down. But honestly,
00:25:55.130 --> 00:25:57.769
sometimes it is a little bit like, all right,
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there's some work to be done here. But sometimes
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it's incredible. Sometimes those kids, even high
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school kids, can just pull it together and perform
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like nothing else. And I'm like. Fantastic job.
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Way to go for kind of getting it, like getting
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Shakespeare and portraying it in a way that we
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can understand. And I did see my favorite Shakespeare
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play, Midsummer Night's Dream, at the Globe Theatre
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in London when I was there in 1923. Check that
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off my bucket list. Nice. Did it smell awful?
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Did they still throw the chamber pots in the
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street? What was it going on there? No, it's
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great. It's clean. It's wonderful. They serve
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food. I actually had a seat under the awning,
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but you know, it's, it's built like the old globe
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theater. So the middle is totally exposed to
00:26:46.289 --> 00:26:48.490
the elements and it was raining that day. Oh,
00:26:48.630 --> 00:26:50.769
it felt bad for the people who are standing by
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the stage. Just like you see in the movie Hamnet
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at the end, she, she's right there in the front
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00:26:58.349
of the stage. People really do stand in the center.
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Like there's no, there's no seats there. Yeah.
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So for two hours, the play that that's how important
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it is to get the entertainment of the day. So
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what's, what's your final thoughts here on him?
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I know, I know. Just remember that witches portrayed
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in this movie is the absolute epitome of what
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I consider to be the witch. Okay. Just have had
00:27:27.819 --> 00:27:31.119
such a negative bias, witchcraft, anything like
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that. for so many centuries now that it is really
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time to look at this movie. Even if it's not
00:27:38.700 --> 00:27:41.500
as accurate as people, it wouldn't have been
00:27:41.500 --> 00:27:43.180
like that in that time. She would have been more
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of a Christian woman. Okay, fine. Because there
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.319
are plenty of Christian witches. Doesn't matter.
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The point is, these are the people in your community
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:56.160
that you would go to for help, for advice, for
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healing. So when I call myself a witch in the
00:27:59.220 --> 00:28:02.589
community, I... wear that as a badge of honor
00:28:02.589 --> 00:28:05.890
and if i call someone a witch or if i say hey
00:28:05.890 --> 00:28:09.509
that's witchcraft that you just did it's an honorable
00:28:09.509 --> 00:28:13.130
thing i'm talking about and i want that to be
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changed eventually i want movies like this to
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show that that is a real thing there is nothing
00:28:19.609 --> 00:28:22.690
magical or fictional about that in movies like
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this this is what we are engaging with and i've
00:28:26.650 --> 00:28:30.519
had some recent I don't know, pushback on using
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:32.200
words like witch and witchcraft where people
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are like, well, you know, some people really
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don't like that word. And I'm like, too bad.
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Because guess what? You're doing witchcraft and
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you're doing witchcraft and you're doing, everybody's
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doing witchcraft, guys. How many of you are lighting
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candles and making wishes? Please, come on. It's
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witchcraft. So that's my soapbox for the day.
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I loved this movie. Oh, you're going to get some
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people coming at you for that. We're all practicing
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witchcraft. I guarantee they're going to be coming
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out of the woodwork. All these witchcrafts, all
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of the rituals and rites, all of the, you know,
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you can pull something else if you want, but
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it's still witchcraft. You heard it right here.
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When you put that birthday candle on your cake
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and you blow it out, that's witchcraft, folks.
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Yes. We're going to get a lot of people heated.
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I loved Hamnet. Go check it out. It's on Peacock.
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Peacock put that out. I'll watch it again. It's
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one of those. They'll probably start showing
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this one in schools. Maybe. I don't know. You
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have to be, you know, it'll be controversial
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if they do. But once again, what books in schools
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aren't already controversial these days that
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they're already teaching. So I loved it. I thought
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it was great. Go watch Hamnet. And for the freaks
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out there, you know. When have you had to bury
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something to make something bigger, to make something
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great? When did you have to let something go?
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Yeah. When did you take a loss and turn it into
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art? Maybe not to a level of Shakespeare making
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Hamlet, but where's your Hamlet? Freaks out there.
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This is Parallel Frequencies. I am just playing.
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She is Coco. You are the freaks. We will see
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you on the other side.