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We to the podcast join host hoh as he discusses
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the riveting Netflix original series Black Mirror.
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Now Here he is.
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Ho Sper broadcasting from Weaponar Saft Productions Studio B. Welcome
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to Black Mirror Podcast and as always I'm your host,
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Ho Ho.
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So, how y'all's doing. I hope you're doing good.
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I really do, because today we are continuing in season
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seven with episode four titled Plaything. Oh yes, And I'll
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tell you what this episode was interesting.
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I mean, wow, this is this was a really good episode.
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It really didn't know most of the time whenever I
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sit down for these you know, I sit down with
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you know, minnisoda, cup of coffee something like that, I
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had a little notebook and a pen and I'm ready
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to take some notes right this time.
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No that it just didn't end up.
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Happening, because as soon as I sat down and this
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puppy started playing, I was immediately just just just in
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this episode.
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Totally in it.
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I mean I didn't know what to expect going into it,
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and just the whole thing it just it had me
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in it from just like the first moment, right first
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moment I was locked in this puppy. I did end
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up taking any notes, didn't really need to. I mean, overall,
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it was a pretty simple episode. And before we get
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into any of that, because we do have some discussion
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to do, and of course we are going to be
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talking about the episodes, So spoiler alert. If you have
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not yet checked out the episode play Thing, head on
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over to Netflix check out that Black Mirror episode and
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then come on back and we'll discuss it together.
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Let's get into it.
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So this puppy started off, you know, a guy walking
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through it kind of looked like a homeless camp. If
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I'm not mistaken, That's kind of what it reminded me
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of at any rate. And the guy goes to a
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convenience door, takes out what I can only assume was
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a bottle of alcohol, but I'm not sure. I didn't
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really get that good of a look at it. Heads
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to the door, and then the guy is locked in.
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He drops the bottle of alcohol, breaks it, and then
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is just sitting down waiting for the cops to show up.
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And they do.
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You know, cops show up, and you know, it's this
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I found kind of interesting, right, I mean, I really did.
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I mean, it was an immediate like, you know, they
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checked his identity using you know, a facial recognition software
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that was part of their you know, the the body
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cam that they had. They took a mouth swab to
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check out as DNA and immediately it brought up a
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red flag, like, hey, this matches, you know, evidence that
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we have from a dead body that we found a
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long time ago, right, I mean, that's what they found
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out immediately.
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Now this is where I was like, huh, I was
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kind of interested. I really was at this point. I mean,
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this is like the very first what five.
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Minutes of the episode, and already I'm like, huh, that's
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interesting because I mean, how close are.
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We to that kind of tech?
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Because we already know that they use facial recognition software.
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We already know that, you know, especially if you go
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to an airport, that's what they use. They're using facial
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recognition software to find out exactly who you are. You know,
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they try to check and track how much money.
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That you have on you.
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You know, they're I mean like this, that's just what
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they do. And especially whenever you're in a bigger city.
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I mean, that's just the way technology is used.
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Anymore.
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So, I mean, this wouldn't even surprise me if this
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is something that they are able to do today, and
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if they're not, I
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mean, how long away do you
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think it'll be, or how much longer until you think
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they're actually using this type of technology right there on
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an officer's body cam. And I mean, in a matter
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of speaking, it kind of seems like a no brainer, right,
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I mean, why wouldn't they be using something like this,
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you know, regardless of you know, how you feel about privacy,
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which I mean granted, I mean I'm an advocate for privacy,
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absolutely private property.
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You should have the right to not have that kind
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of thing on you.
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But at the same time, I mean I understand, you know,
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protecting cops, I get it, you know, I really do.
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But if you are into town square, I mean, you really.
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Don't have that expectation of privacy, right, I Mean, that's
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just kind of how things work, whether you believe in
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it or whether you don't, regardless of how you feel
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about it, That's just kind of how things are in
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most places, you know, in a lot of places, that's
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kind of just how it is. That's how it is,
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you know, here in the States at any rate, you know,
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overseas I don't know, and then having the you know,
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being able to take a mouth swab and check somebody's
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DNA immediately, like on the scene to find out who
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the person is. I mean, we're not even talking about,
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you know, fingerprint scanner. And this goes beyond facial recognition.
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I mean, this is checking somebody's DNA right there on
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the spot to see if it matches anything in the system.
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How far away do you think we are to something
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like that, I mean, at this particular point in time,
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at least again in the States, you know, they have
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to have a you know, you got to be arrested
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in order to do something like that. Now, granted, this
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was a clear cut of the guy was guilty. He
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was caught red handed at the scene of the crime
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with an eyewitness right there, so you know that they
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had probable cause. Don't get me wrong, I don't view
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this as a violation of somebody's rights. I mean, he's
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caught red handed, right, So, but how long do you
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think it'll be before they're able to do something like
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that a quick DNA swab in order to like virtually
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immediately see if you know, there's any other crime that
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they know of that this person is tied to. That
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just is mind blowing to me in a matter of
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speaking of me, because like, now, you know, you got
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to take these te and you got to send him
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in and it takes time for the process and to
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get done.
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So I mean this right.
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Here, having it like immediate access was amazing.
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I mean, it just was. It was cool. I thought
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it was neat, you know.
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And so they arrest him, they take him back and
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they're like, okay, tell me who the guy was. And
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the guy goes into a story. I believe his name
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was Cameron. Yeah, Cameron was the guy's name, the main character,
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and he's telling the story of how this whole thing
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came to pass with him being a column writer at
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a company.
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Called Oh what is it? What is it? What is it? Oh?
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Come on pcsone. Yeah, pcsone is what he's a column
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writer for. And what he does he refeuws video games, right,
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I mean he plays video games, reviews them, writes the
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review for the magazine too, you know, as a good
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a bad, you know, how good do you consider this game?
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And what I thought was neat was his character was
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playing doom, right, I mean this is okay, ladies and gents,
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all right, I'm I'm I'm old, right, I'm mid forties. Okay,
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I am older than Apple. When I was in elementary school.
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That was whenever you know Windows three point one was
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becoming a thing computers. You know, we're still using MS DOS,
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which stands for a Microsoft Disc operating system, not just
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DOS shell and anymore. You
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on your system. It's only you know, Windows, Linux or
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well whatever Apple has. I don't even know AOS. I
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guess I think that's what it is. But anyway, I'm
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I'm not an AOS kind of guy. I do PC
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or I do Linux. That's what I use. But back
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in the day, you know, it was MS DOS and
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then Windows was kind of built on MS DOS, So
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I mean, I remember those type of games.
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Doom was, you know what, a three point five inch
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floppy and it was a free game that you can
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get sharewear is what they called it.
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Okay, I'm yes, I'm old. I'm that old.
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Like back in the day, whenever you know Oregon Trail
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was on either one or two like four and a
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quarter inch floppy disc. I'm like the the hardcore old
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time thing, you know, not the three point five kind
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of the hard disk, but the actual floppy disc. Yeah,
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that's that's I played that like old school original, right.
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And he's telling his story of how he got handpicked
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by Colin Rittman to review a game that Colin Rittman
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had had made, had produced, coded the whole nine yards.
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And I'm hoping you remember the name Colin Ritman because
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and you know, assuming you've watched the episode, which again,
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if you haven't, go back watch it, come on back.
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This was the developer of the game Bandersnatch. Now, dude,
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I loved Bandersnatch. That was an awesome episode, it really was.
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The thing was amazing, well episode, I guess it was
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a mini movie.
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It was fun, it was entertaining, you know, and one
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of the things that it really highlighted was more or
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less how society is today, right.
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With having the you know.
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That's more or less how society is built today.
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a sequel. It's just it operates within the same you know,
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you know, it takes place after what happened in Vandersnatch.
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It's a completely different episode, but kind of a throwback.
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It's the same time, right, and he's talking about this game,
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which was very reminiscent of like sim City or the
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sims you know from you know, back in the day,
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as in it was a little world.
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Ritman described it was that it was this world where these.
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AI beings hatched and multiplied.
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they existed within the program. And what was amazing about
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this was that they were already doing things beyond what
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they were programmed to do.
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found amazing in that was that communication. I mean, like
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real communication like that as in verbiage. That's the biggest
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thing that separates us from any other animal out there,
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you know. I mean, it's not just about being able
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to really communicate, and it's not even you know, a
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consciousness that you know provides reasoning, but it is a
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very complicated language, and that's really the thing that separates
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us from the rest.
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Of life, right.
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I Mean, I know I'm getting deep into psychology here,
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but I mean that's just that's just part of it.
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Creatures that are attempting to communicate, but they're using their
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own language, I gotta you know. Okay, So whenever I
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first kind of seen these guys and they're talking in
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their own little language, I'm kind of thinking of like
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a digital version of Ferbies, right, I mean, do you
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guys remember Ferbi's from. I mean, okay, I'm going back
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like what twenty thirty years maybe I don't remember when
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Ferbies came out.
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can't really call them cute. I mean they were they
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were creepy. I mean, they really were. They were kind
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of creepy looking. Look up Ferbies.
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back in the day I was in you.
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about twenty years ago. Whenever these things came out, early
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two thousands, okay, Ferbies they were the hit item.
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that had speakers on and they kind of moved their
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eyeballs and whatnot. But what was interesting about them is
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they you know, they talked in their own language. And
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one of the creepy aspects of it was if you
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put two Ferbies right next to each other, they'll talk
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to themselves. You don't know what the hell they're saying,
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but they'll actually talk to themselves because they have their
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own language.
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Creepy. I am so.
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kind of reminds me of like Grimlins, I guess, and
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I'll kind of bring that up a little bit later,
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but these these little toys, I am so glad that
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these things came out before a I. I mean, holy,
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can you imagine Ferbies like an actual toy that you have,
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you know, like you I don't know, like eight inches tall.
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don't rotate, they don't travel anywhere. It's not like an
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actual moving type of a robot. It just kind of
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sits there. It's a little buddy. And I mean I
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don't remember if you can like pet it and it
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had little things on it that, you know, let them
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know that they're being petted or anything like that.
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I don't remember that, but I just remember that.
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They you could actually talk with them, and they can
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talk to themselves in their own language. And holy crap,
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I am so glad that these puppies came out way
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before AI. I mean, if these things like, dude, you
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want to talk about Hugh, I'll get into that.
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I'll get into that. So he goes and he's.
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Cameron goes to Colin Ritman and he's having this thing
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explain to him, and Ritman is saying that, hey, this
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isn't a game. This is you know, an AI computer
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life simulation.
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It's not a game. It's a simulation with.
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Artificial intelligent beings in a digital space.
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Mind blown, right, mind blown.
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I was like, okay, and Cameron, he he takes.
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The disc that had the program on it, stole.
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It, goes home, puts it on his own computer, and immediately.
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Gets the simulation going.
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Now and this of course is in the flashback, and
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they you know, they get the guy's address, they get
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the guy's keys, and they go to his home and
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you know, one of the things that Cameron says is, hey,
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don't touch anything, right, and whenever they get into the
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guy's house, now, granted is kind of destroyed, you know,
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it definitely is the home of somebody whom is definitely
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obsessed with something. And then they go into his bedroom
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and they see this computer that is definitely home built,
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all kinds of components that has been built out over time,
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and it's just kind of like, you know, beautiful mind
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type of thing going on, right, And I see the towel,
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and I know now that it was, you know, covering
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the monitor with the webcam, but at the time I
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see that, and I'm hearing the noises come from it,
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and I'm kind of thinking, you know, more or less,
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I'm thinking, Ferbie, there's a that's a cage under that towel.
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There's a Ferbie in there. Somehow, These little thronglets are like,
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you know, they they created for themselves or or Cameron
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created form this, this little body that they could go
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into and put their conscience. I was like, dude, do
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not take the towel off the cage. You don't want
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to do that. I mean, that's what I'm thinking, right.
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I mean, I don't know about you, but that's what
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I'm thinking. I'm thinking, there's a Ferbi in there that's
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got ai intelligent. A throng winds inside of Herbie. This
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is not going to be good. You know, I remember
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the episode what was it, metal Head? Yeah, that wasn't
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a good thing.
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That was bad. We don't want to do that.
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Do not open, don't take the towel off the cage.
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Thankfully that's not what it was. Thankfully that's not what
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it was. But he tells the story of, you know,
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whenever he went to work to write the review, how
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his buddy, his little drug dealer, you know, his little
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drug dealer friend named Lump. Now, this I also kind
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of thought was funny. Okay, because now again I'm kind
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of old and in my generation, there is a lot
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of people that I know, friends of mine throughout the years.
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Now, this is one of the things that there's.
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Not necessarily a whole heck of a lot of women
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out there that can relate to this. I think this
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is I mean not strictly a guy thing, but this
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is something that more or less guys understand this. You know,
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my nickname, since I was in the fourth grade nine
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years old, has been Hoh. I've had friends that I've
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known for years that never knew what my name was
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first name or last just nickname. And there's been a
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lot of times where the only name that I knew
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of the person was either a nickname or a last name,
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because that's just kind of how you know, guys of
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my generation, that's.
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How we operated. I may not have known the guy's
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first name. I may have only known.
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A nick name and at best a last name. I mean,
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I I know people that were surprised as hell whenever
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somebody would call me by my actual name. I mean
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they're you know, my parents even called me ho Ho
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from time to time. Yeah, I mean, it's just that's
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just kind of how it was, right, I mean, that's
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how we operated. Teachers called me by my nickname, not
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my actual name. It's crazy, it's crazy. I mean that's
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but that's just kind of how we were back then,
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you know. So, I mean it didn't surprise me that
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Cameron didn't know the actual name of his friend called Lump.
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I mean, it wasn't surprise.
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I'm like, that's that that fits, you know, this is
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this isn't yeah, this is a gen cher Lump.
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Of course he doesn't know his name. Why would he.
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He's Lump, that's what his name is. I mean, I
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wasn't surprised about that.
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But whenever he came home and when Cameron seen what
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Lump had did to his.
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Little AI creatures, he went off. He attacked the guy.
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He ended up killing Lump. Holy crap.
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I was like, well that just took a turn for
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the worst. I mean, granted, we already knew, you know,
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that a body was found. We already knew that it
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was kind of Lump, but we didn't really know the story.
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We didn't know why it happened.
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And then as he as he's doing this, he's like,
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you know, but there's something I need to show you.
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And of which case the okay, the interface man whenever
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you guys seen the plug in the back of his head.
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You know, I can't really say I was thinking Matrix.
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I mean not exactly. I mean kind of, but not really.
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What I was really thinking of was something a little
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different now whenever, Okay, so through the story, all right,
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I know I'm kind of bouncing around a little, but
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this is just a neat episode, so you know, all right.
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So with AI right now?
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Okay, Now, like I said, I'm kind of old, right,
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I was around before.
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Before Apple, before cell phones.
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Really Windows three point one was like the first operating
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system that I used.
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I'm that old now, I remember.
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Whenever the movie The Terminator first came out. And here's
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the thing about the movie Terminator. This wasn't science fiction,
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or it wasn't science fantasy. Wouldn't even call it science fiction.
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I mean, this was probability. That's what that movie actually was.
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Because I remember that there was an interview that was
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done on some talk show of the guy who basically
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built the first computer, and one of the warnings that
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he had for the technology was that there will come
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a time that computers will become smarter than us, and
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they will view us as a as a virus and
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try to maybe not rid the world of humanity, but
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the only way to protect us, to serve us, is
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to control us and put us in bondage. It's more
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or less what it amounted to that eventually, through the
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progression of technology, there will be a war between mankind
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and machine. And that's the story of so many sci
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fi movies out there.
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But that's what he says.
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So like Terminator, I Robot, you know a myriad of
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other episodes or not, you know, just movies out there, Matrix,
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you know, just a few that come to mind. You know,
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this is probability, This isn't science fiction. This isn't fantasy,
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This is probability. This is what's going to happen already
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with AI. What we have found is the same thing
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that they talk about in this episode, that AI has
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already done things outside of their programming. I mean, do
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you understand the significance of that. I mean that's huge.
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And already this has taken you know, this, this is
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happening and AI is still in a matter of speaking,
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in its infancy stage. It's not even a teenager yet.
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There's still you know, AI is still a toddler.
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But already AI is doing things beyond the scope of
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what it was programmed to do.
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That's like a PC.
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That can operate an Apple program without an emulator. You can,
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computer programmers out there, you computer people out there, you
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understand the significance of that. You know, PC and Linux
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are at least similar, but Linux and Apple, oh no,
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that's like a Linux being able to operate an Apple
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program without any type of emulator. That's what these computers
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are doing.
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I mean, they're not.
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Supposed to do that. And AI is figured away. Life
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will find a way. If you've watched Jurassic Park, Crazy anyway, anyway,
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let's get back into this.
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I'm tangenting. I apologize, but.
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He he makes you know, the the the program. These
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little thronglets, throng lits, thronglets, thronglets.
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What the hell are they called?
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I wanting to say to Nope, that's not it, only
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crap thronglets, I think. So thronglets, Yes, that's what they're called.
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So these thronglets teach Cameron how to, you know, put
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this little jack into the back of his head so
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that this way the thronglets can communicate and plug in
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directly into his head, which is amazing.
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Okay, so this is this is one of them other things. Okay.
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The human brain is more or less a computer, pure, basic, simple,
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That's that's what it is. The brain is a computer.
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The problem with a brain and an actual computer hard
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drive is is the inner face between the two.
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They do not speak the same language. You know.
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The brain is a biocomputer and a computer is a
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is a machine computer. You know. Getting the two to
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communicate has always been the uh, the thing that holds
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back a lot of what we know is possible, you know,
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like things that have happened in numerous different episodes uploading
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somebody's consciousness into a machine, you know, one we don't
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necessarily you know that something like that isn't possible without
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several different things, you know, fiber optic communication lines without
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you know, a crystalline type of a storage device, without
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quantum computing capabilities. I mean, that type of thing isn't
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possible outside of that, and they've kind of figured out
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a way how to do it. But getting the two
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to communicate has always been a huge thing that has
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kept that type of technology from becoming a real And.
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We're getting close. That's the thing. We're getting close.
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Holy cow, right, So awesome it really is, I mean terrifying, sure,
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but it's also kind of awesome.
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It's kind of neat. I mean, I don't know how
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far away we are to that kind of thing.
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Like I've heard reports that, you know, they have been
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able to map somebody's consciousness, and that just blows me away.
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I mean, we never.
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Would have thought about that kind of thing being in
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reality not that long ago. No. I mean, granted, there's
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been movies that talked about it. Chappy is one of them,
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good underrated movie. They had Wolverine in it. I mean
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not actually Wolverine. But Hugh Jackman, but I mean we've
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been experimenting and trying to do that for a number
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of years. We've just never been able to do it.
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And here you have an AI that told this guy
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how to do it and he did it.
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I mean, that's just crazy. And then.
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Now here's kind of an underlying theme about this, because
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this episode kind of had the same type of theme
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in it that all of those type of movies have.
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Terminator I, Robot, the Matrix, The humanity is a plague,
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and that's how these little thronglets view humanity because after
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you know, Lump just tortures the thronglets within the simulation
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and Cameron defends them and ends up deleting Lump. They're
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you know, the thronglets are terrified, right, I mean, that's
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that's kind of what the whole thing is. They're kind
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of terrified, and you know, and through their connection, they
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teach them how to expand the computer.
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Build this out, do this, do that, do the other.
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And then and here's where it gets interesting because Camera
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is in there talk with the cops and he's.
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Like, look, you had no idea who I was. You
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only caught me because I allowed it.
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I was stealing that in order to get caught, so
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you would bring me here. And he draws what I
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can only you know, considers like a round type of
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you know, QR code. And he draws this thing on
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a piece of paper with a felt tippin and then
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he holds it.
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Up for the camera to see.
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And is what that does is it was basically a
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code computer language to upload a virus, a trojan horse,
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allowing the Thronglets to gain access to the police department's.
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Computer. That was just whoa.
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And then they played this song, well not really this song,
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but they played this sound on the emergency broadcast system
494
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and it was a song that basically a sound a
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song and what you know what I'm saying, a sound
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that you know much like you know back in the
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day whenever we had you know, dial up the computer language,
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and it kind of gave a back door using this
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audio sound allowed the Thronglets to back door access to
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the mind of anybody that heard that sound. I was like, whoa.
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And the episode ends with Cameron reaching down to the
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cop as if he's about ready to wake up. Basically,
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as a thronglet, you don't see the hand reach up
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and grab camerons. You don't see that, but that's what's coming, right,
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I mean, like if if the camera would have stayed
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on for just a second more, that's what you would
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have seen.
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But it fades to black before it actually happened. Dude.
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That was just an awesome episode. It really was.
510
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That was so cool and just the things that were coming,
511
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you know, because this is totally different than Bandersnatch within
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the same you know, extended universe if you will, a
513
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continuation of the story, you know, throw back to Bandersnatch.
514
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Awesome episode, but this is.
515
00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:00.920
Kind of tackling that whole technology a different way though,
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because it's talking about, you know, the fear of what AI.
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Can become if not.
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Like strictly controlled, if safeguards aren't put in.
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Better than the Three.
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Laws, right y'alls, Remember I wrote about better than the
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Three Laws. I mean, this was just wow, an awesome episode. Okay,
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So a couple questions. Amazing episode. I was just I was, yeah,
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awesome episode. So a couple questions with the whole technology
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thing that they demonstrate in the beginning of this, with
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you know, with the police officers having the you know,
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facial recognition right there in the the body cams of
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the police and then like on site DNA testing to
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immediately do that. I mean, how do how do you
529
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think about that? You know, what's your input on that one?
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Do you think that is a violation of privacy? Do
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you think that is an overreach?
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00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:09.000
Let me know.
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00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:14.559
Send me an email, ho Ho at Black Mirror podcast
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dot com.
535
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:20.639
Let me know. I'm because I'm kind of curious. You know,
536
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I don't think that.
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You know, facial recognition per se and bodycams, but it
538
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:33.920
seems to me like it's going another step beyond having
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you know, being able to do a DNA swab and
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get like basically immediate results right there on the scene.
541
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I mean, that.
542
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:46.920
Seems a bit extreme to me, But let me know
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what you think. Send me an email ho Ho at
544
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:52.000
Black Mirror podcast dot com. I'm interested on your input
545
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:52.199
on that.
546
00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:01.360
And then let's go into you know, the whole.
547
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You know, interfacing with computers, like actually being able to
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have AI control a person or even a person you know,
549
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:19.639
uploading their consciousness into you know, just just the interfacing
550
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:28.599
between you know, a person's brain and a computer, the
551
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:33.320
interface in between the two how long away? How far
552
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:36.880
away do you think we are from having that kind
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of technology those capabilities? Do you think we already have it?
554
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:45.920
And how long do you think something like that may
555
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:48.079
be implemented? I mean we've kind of talked about that
556
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:53.159
in previous episodes, right San Junipiro was one of them.
557
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:58.039
Awesome episode, and we've kind of talked about that, But
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I mean, the same thing kind of entails here they
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use that type of interfacing technology. How how far away
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do you think we are? I mean not just from
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being able to do it, but having a computer that's
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strong enough to actually handle it and to be able
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to map out somebody's consciousness. Do you actually think that,
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you know, using some type of a sound like that
565
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:26.280
would allow a computer to you know, hack their.
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Way into somebody's brain like what they did in this episode.
567
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:34.000
I mean, I don't know. This seems kind of far
568
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fetched to me, but who knows. I mean, we haven't
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even scratched a surface of resonant frequencies. We don't even
570
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:49.559
know what's possible with resonant frequency. We do know that
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you can do some pretty neat, amazing freaky things with
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resonating frequency.
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We know this all kinds of experiments have been done.
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Nikola Tesla dies some stuff with that. They actually kind
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of think the ain't the Pyramids of Egypt was, you know,
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was built put together using resonant frequencies?
577
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:15.840
Yeah, yeah, weird.
578
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:23.559
And what do you think about, you know, an actual
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computer game where it.
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Is an AI world.
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Completely enclosed in in it. You know, they kind of
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00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:40.639
do their own things, you know, a step beyond sim
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city and things of that nature. I mean, how far
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away do you think we are from something like that?
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00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:47.880
That'd be kind of neat interesting. You know, we kind
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of have that in video games as it is right now.
587
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:53.880
I mean they operate within the parameters of the program,
588
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:57.000
but I mean we already have that kind of a thing.
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00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:00.760
You know, it's interesting stuff, interesting stuff.
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00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:04.800
Now, thanks to a listener, I found out that there
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is an app that you can get that you can
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play with thronglets.
593
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:15.880
I've just downloaded the app.
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00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:19.679
I haven't actually played anything with it yet, I haven't
595
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:22.679
used it yet, but through him, I have found out
596
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:27.880
that there's some you know, other additional content that is
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00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:31.599
available by playing this game doing different things. And you know,
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00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:34.320
again I haven't done it yet. I haven't played it,
599
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:41.920
but I will and on the next episode for Eulogy,
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I'll talk about my progress with the game, and after
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I do the season seven review, I'll do a follow
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00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:52.039
up for Plaything and talk about some of the hidden
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content the game itself, different things of that nature.
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So we will be getting.
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More into that after I do the season seven reviews.
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So let me know what you think about Plaything. Did
607
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:06.480
you like the episode, how did it rank so far
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00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:12.960
within season seven? Because I think me personally, I really
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liked the episode. I really don I mean that type
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of thing, especially whenever they're dealing with AI and you know,
611
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:24.840
interfacing stuff like that. I find that extremely intriguing. You know,
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00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:30.039
it just it amazes me how far we've come in
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technology in a very very short amount of time. I
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find it just amazing. I mean, my lifetime, I have
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seen technology grow to just unbelievable capabilities. I mean, the
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things that we can legitimately do today.
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Wouldn't even have dreamed.
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It could even be possible when I was in elementary school.
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Whenever I graduated high school, even we just weren't there yet. Communications, computing,
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digital communication in general. I mean, it's just it's mind
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blowing how far we've come. So, you know, the younger
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00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:29.960
generation right now can't imagine a world without technology. I
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00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:34.960
grew up in a world without it. I had to adapt. Well, hell,
624
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:37.679
my generation built the stuff. What am I saying?
625
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:42.159
It's amazing stuff though, I mean it really is. It's
626
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just wow, where are.
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We going to be in the next twenty years? I
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00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:48.920
mean that's kind of the question, right where are we
629
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:50.719
going to be in twenty more years? I mean, dude,
630
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:53.679
I wanted flying cars, Okay. I came from you know,
631
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:57.280
I watched Back to the Future whenever that first came
632
00:40:57.320 --> 00:40:59.280
out in the eighties. I mean, we've already reached the
633
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:01.679
timeframe worse supposed to have flying cars. I want my
634
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:04.800
flying car, dad, gumm it. Anyway, that's all I got
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for y'all today.
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That's it.
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Let me know what you think about the episode. Send
638
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:13.159
me an email ho Ho at Black Mirror podcast dot com. Anyway,
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00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:15.800
y'alls have yourself a great one and I'll see you
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00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:20.920
in the next one.
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Thank you for listening to the Black Mirror Podcast.
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