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than that um anybody can say oh you're
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mature for your age or you have a good
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head on your shoulders or whatever it
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may be um but and part of it is because
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I'm from the Midwest but that that that
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feeling and that embodiment of what is
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an old soul um goes very very deep with
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me so I do appreciate it and you know
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for anybody that is out there listening
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right I encourage you to take that
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mindset as well of you know listen it's
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not just about the mindset that I bring
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to the table or you know trying to act
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what is above my age but it's actually
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embodying what is that Soul mentality of
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how you treat others how you show up and
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having somewhat again you know rooting
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it back to what I think is a little bit
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of a theme of an episode or maybe even a
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title right is the courage to be able to
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make those b
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movs i i want to get into talking about
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why for a second but first I I just
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wanted to just hit you right out of the
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gate with the the question I asked
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everybody um because I would I just I'm
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so fascinated by your perspective on
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lots of things but this one in
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particular um so we Define hope a little
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different on here so I Define hope as
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the ignition swis the point to get
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started um and then you know hope is
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pretty much useless unless you take
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action and you're going to start down
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that path and you might I don't know
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pick a guru you might pick a whatever
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and you'll start down that lane and
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you're going to fail like everybody else
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does and most of the people Define that
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as a failure and they think the path
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left them uh what we try to say is like
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no Beyond ho hope project we steer you
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back and show you the path didn't
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actually leave it just moved a little
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and you learned so with a definition
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like that um if you could go back at any
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point in Nick's life what would you what
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kind of hope would you give that person
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what age what time you know and what
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would that hope look like to you yeah
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you know was actually funny because I
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last night I had the pleasure of and I'm
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sure you're familiar with um I had the
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pleasure of sitting down with John aser
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off so you know leader well-renowned
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entrepreneur executive author everything
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in between it was just the two of us and
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you know I shared with John that there
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because hope is a very big part of my
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life um just in general no matter what
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meeting um you know we may see a little
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bit differently or whatever that may be
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but you know we're sitting there at
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dinner and I told them I go John you
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know I do want to be upfront and tell
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you in the fact that you know first off
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it's an honor that you had asked me to
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dinner even in the first place right um
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but then secondly more so the fact that
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right there's a little 14-year-old kid
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right now that's tugging at my you know
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shirt and you know I looking up at me
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saying you know what man from you know
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the kid that was raised in a you know 7
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to 103 10,000 person small town in the
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middle of the Midwest in Michigan right
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they're you know tugging on your shirts
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saying hey man you're doing it right and
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more than anything that you actually had
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the hope the Courage the dedication and
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the action to be able to back it up um
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because when I you know first had left
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kind of you know my roots which was is
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in Michigan um and moved out to Southern
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California to go to school and you know
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pursue what was a career in sports and
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entertainment um you know I always had
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the perspective that I'm going to go
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build a life not live one but build one
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right and there's a big difference
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between those two things and you know
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for me if I was to give that advice to
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my younger self it's the I would say
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it's a dual edged sword in two things of
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number one that have the hope but most
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importantly have the confidence in
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yourself that you are doing the right
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things you're putting yourself in the
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right situation surrounding yourself
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with the right people and right that
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aggregate progress of what is positive
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Behavior right it's going to catch up to
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you right but then number two um it's
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also that image of Hope in the sense
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that um you know I when you're in a
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small town like that you have a very
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small town mindset right and that's
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shared between the community not that
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it's a good or not that it's a bad thing
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right but it was the The Hope and not
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limiting yourself to understanding what
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is a true level of abundance and that
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there is more than enough of everything
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in everyone um and that you know as you
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go out and build that life with that
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sense of hope with you um you your eyes
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are going to be opened up to incredible
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people incredible experiences but it
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only it really only happens through your
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hard work your dedication and your
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consistency yeah and you just
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Illustrated exactly why I wanted to talk
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to you which you know we we connected at
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an event and um that small town shared
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thing you know I'm smalltown Ohio you're
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smalltown Michigan you know we you know
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we have uh an age Gap but was amazing to
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me is you know um it was the idea of
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what we shared was exactly what you just
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described and I thought about when I was
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talking to you like if I was 23 I had
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that same belief that you're that you
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just described but I didn't actually
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believe it like it was like I I knew
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that I had you know quote unquote bigger
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things ahead for me but I was scared
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shitless to even try so I'm curious from
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a standpoint of your
shoes where did
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that come from like where do you find if
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you trace that back to that like you
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know I mean I knew for me I was like I
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got to get the hell out of here I don't
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fit here yeah was it the same for you
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like what was the actual jump that you
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took because you didn't just move to
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like a bigger city you moved moved moved
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yeah no we we moved move and and it's
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funny that you bring that up because you
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know across the journey and whether it
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was the day that right you take your
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last drive through your hometown as
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you're going to the airport or whether
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it's years and years and years down the
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road through you know the consistency of
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you putting things into action
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um you know for me what my guiding um I
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guess Source was and I don't necessarily
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mean this in a religious sense but it
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was one simple word which is Faith right
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faith in that that understanding of what
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is more than enough in abundance but
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also the faith in the sense of right
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that that courage that the aggregate
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Behavior will catch up to itself and and
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having the faith that you know more than
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anything you're going to fail but the
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failures for me right don't get me wrong
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I have my moments that right I got to
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work through my own ego-based
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Consciousness and fear and all these
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different things to find the lesson in
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it right but failure to me is nothing
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but exciting because I know that it's
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going to only only Propel me in a better
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towards a better place let alone a
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better situation right but you know as I
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was making that jump um it really wasn't
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so much the fact that I didn't fit in or
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that I didn't love my friends or you
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know the people that I had surrounded
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myself with or even my community right I
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still you know the moment that I take a
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turn off of what is i96 in Michigan
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right and I pull off at the Milford exit
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I still get chills every single time
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because it will always be home right I
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have an M engraved in my heart for the
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test of time right but for me it was
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more
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so you know I always had these very very
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very large aspirations and dreams and an
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understanding of how much the world and
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the universe really had to offer and
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more than anything you know when you
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make that decision of where you're going
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to go to college for example right you
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you can make that easy decision of okay
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I'm going to go to my state school right
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which for me would be Michigan State go
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green by the way um you know if I went
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to Michigan State right what am I going
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to put myself in this situation for yeah
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there's great connection there's great
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you know uh abundance of information
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that you can absorb from being inside
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the classroom but it's not going to make
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me grow and expand as a human being as
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much as I would like right because
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you're naturally going to fit into what
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is the 50 to 60 other friends that went
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to your high school from your small town
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right and you're going to have four
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years of the same thing just on a
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different level right and for me I knew
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I didn't want that um and it was more so
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uh the drive to go out and truly
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experience life and kind of like I said
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earlier go out and build it not live it
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um you know I knew that going into it
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right I was gonna it was going to push
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my boundaries both mentally both
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emotionally and especially spiritually
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um but I knew that if I made that
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decision now right because going to a
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state school it's not like I'm going to
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transfer in two years right you get
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comfortable and then you you stay in
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that ecosystem right so I'm going to
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make that decision now and the reason is
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is because the worst thing that can
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happen is I go out there for a year I
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learn a ton about myself I get a
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lot more real world experience and if it
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isn't something that's meant to be I can
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always come back right but it was that
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almost a little bit of fear in the sense
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of if I don't P make that leap of faith
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now it's always going to be that oh what
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could have been right or what was left
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on the table or not truly experiencing
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and putting myself in a situation to
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build the life that I wanted and to be
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able to receive the abundance that I
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knew was truly possible yeah I think I
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think a lot of people um you know I I
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meet lots of people that are my age that
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think
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that that the time has passed or they
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think well it's easy for younger people
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or they think all these things but the
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big part I think that what most people
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miss out on is that and I I really want
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to encourage everybody to go back and
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listen to everything Nick just said was
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that it was all surrounded by bold
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action like any growth that you're going
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to have it's done through bold action
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you you you really do need to like kind
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of remove yourself from the way that
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you've always thought and and kind of
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roll the dice take a chance and I think
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that scares the out of people so
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much because they're afraid of that
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unknown stuff like was there a
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foundational thing when when you were
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grown up like in your parents or and any
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like thing that you read like what was
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your what were your Heroes that kind of
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like showed you that like it's okay to
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dream crazy dreams and then go do them
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because I think there's so many people
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especially addressing that younger crowd
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which I will say just so like a little
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catch up from both of us like it's so
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funny I just was inducted in that small
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Town's Hall of Fame uh for all the stuff
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that I've accomplished
which the irony
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of it is was this all the stuff that
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everybody told me I wouldn't be able to
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do uh which always cracks me up so like
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what is like what was that for you that
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was that marker I mean I know what it
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was for me I'm just curious what it was
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for you yeah so I I have to give a lot
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of credit and really look forward to um
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you know getting her feedback after she
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listens back on this but um I gave a lot
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of credit to my mother um I was raised
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by pretty much a single mom um I had you
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know what was my father was in my life
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for you know a long period of time
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especially throughout my childhood but
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you know eventually as you get older and
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you know I'm blessed to say right it
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wasn't physical or emotional abuse or
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anything along those lines right but it
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was just more so I understood where my
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priorities were I understood where his
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priorities were and it was just a
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natural you know different Paths of life
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right and I've come to peace with that
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most importantly because I forgave
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myself which then empowered me to
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forgive him right but my mother raised
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me um I think and we share this right
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you know coming from the Midwest you
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have this almost this not unlimited but
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a damn near unlimited source of
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gratitude that you carry with you in
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everything that you do um and that has
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always been a foundation for me but um
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you know I really give a lot of credit
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to my mother because she raised me um
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not only with Incredible values which
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you know today I sit in a situation that
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you know I serve as a vice president for
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you know marketing and Partnerships for
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um David Meltzer the speaker I know
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you've had him on your show as well um
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but it's something that right even the
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values that we you know embody as a
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company which are gratitude empathy
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accountability and effective
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communication right essentially the
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reason that those resonated with me so
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much is because it was in my innate
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being because from a very very early age
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right those were very very similar maybe
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not the same terminology but they were
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the same values my mother raised me with
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right is it's the classic example of you
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know when you're on an airplane and
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you're traveling and there's that sign
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in the bathrooms that says you know
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please make sure to wipe the counter and
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leave it better than you found right
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those little simple lessons and the
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foundation that she built me up with um
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you know not only has developed me into
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what I believe is a pretty darn good
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person and someone that you know
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contributes to society and treats people
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right um but she was also the same
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mother that you know when I was in love
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with a motocross racer when I was a kid
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and you know I really wanted to embody
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that and Chase that dream and I wouldn't
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reply unless you called me by his name
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instead of my own right she would embody
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those things as well and share those
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with me right or when I fell in love
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with Johnny Damon the baseball player
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because I love the luscious locks and
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standing out in the Outfield at Fenway
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or whatever it may be it wasn't so much
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of hey idolize that figure right and try
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to take as many lessons as you can from
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him but more so yes idolize that figure
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and use them as a mentor from afar but
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you can go out and do the exact same
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thing it doesn't matter where you come
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from because it all lies within in terms
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of your own values your own
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accountability and like you said in the
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very beginning your ability to go out
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and even though you have that fear and
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anxiety that you know surrounds
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different decisions or Pursuits of life
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right you're not afraid to go out and
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take bold action yeah well if mom is
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listening I'll tell her she did a good
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job um you you and I have had many like
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private conversations and uh you're a
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good kid and you know I don't mean kid
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in the sense of like talking down to you
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it's just odd because you're at the same
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age as my kid so it's it's so weird to
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like because when I talk to you you have
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a very also unique thing that I find
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about a lot of Midwest people is that
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that old soul kind of vibe like it's say
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you you got this like understanding of
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and it's weird because like even when
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meeting Dave it was like we had this
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weird Crossroads of we're all Midwest
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guys and it was like there was no like
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hey how's it going it was like immediate
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like oh I know you like and there was
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never that and we all have this like old
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soul Vibe about us that you kind of
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almost can recognize in each of us so um
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you know and I really appreciate that
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because I'll tell you this is in just a
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little bit of you know context for your
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audience um I'm I'm 23 um you know in
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terms of a little bit of my journey you
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know I my 18th birthday was August 22nd
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of 2018 um the next day was my move in
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date to San Diego State University so
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you know I moved 2,000 miles across the
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country pretty quickly um and you know
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from there again yes I was going to
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school but you know my intention wasn't
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to necessarily follow what a lot of
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people thought was the reason I went
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which was for you know the beaches and
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the parties and you know the beautiful
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women and beautiful people and so on and
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so forth but again I wanted to build
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right so I got heavily involved with
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organizations whether it was you know
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Greek life and you know
being the vice
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president of you know a chapter what was
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a colony and then bringing back our
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Charter right or whether it was our you
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know Sports business initiative which is
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actually how I got connected with David
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in the first place um you know but then
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you know when happens I had fast-tracked
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my journey because I was getting fed so
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much from what is that real world
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experience and you know being an intern
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with David and you know being in the
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rooms and the relationships I was able
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to you know manifest um that you know
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from there I said okay listen if all
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these classes are going to be online and
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you know this is a great recommendation
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to anybody that's somewhat in that
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college realm or you know even relative
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to my age is I said if I'm clicking on a
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zoom at 9:59 for 10:00 class let me take
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a step back here and let me use the
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man-made construct of time and simply do
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math based on my priorities right so
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what I done is you know I was doing
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eight nine classes a semester to
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FastTrack I was basically what was a
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full-time intern you know with David
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building what I foresaw as my career or
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at least a starting point for my career
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but then I reverse engineered it to say
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you know okay I have all these
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opportunities that are feeding me some
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more than others but at the end of the
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day we got to make ends meet I got a
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rent payment every month and so on and
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so forth so I I I reverse engineered it
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to say okay I'm going to take up a
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part-time job and I took a part-time job
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on campus at one of our you know housing
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you know facilities and I was working
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the desk but I would only work the desk
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in certain hours 9: to midnight Midnight
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to 3:00 or 3:00 to 6:00 a.m. right
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graveyard SH now of course yes I had to
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use math and the man-made construct of
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time to make sure I was getting enough
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sleep and taking care of myself and so
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on and so forth um but it was also
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something that I reverse engineered to
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get paid for the activities that were
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feeding me the most that I wasn't
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getting paid for right until I was able
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to be able to graduate of course then
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fully transition full-time you know with
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David um and then of course work my way
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up to you know what is now a vice
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president and you know kind of a
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right-hand man um you know type role
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which I'm unbelievably blessed with but
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that compliment of what is an old soul
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um Jason I I will tell you the moment
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that the words old came out of your
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mouth I knew what was going to follow um
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and I automatically got chills up my
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spine because um you know being somebody
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and I'm so blessed to receive so much
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you know gratitude and and um admiration
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for the work that I've been able to do
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and who I am at such a young age um but
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that compliment within all is um there's
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nothing that pulls up the strings at my
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heart more than that um anybody can say
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oh you're mature for your age or you
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have a good head on your shoulders or
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whatever it may be um but and part of it
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is because I'm from the Midwest but that
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that that feeling and that embodiment of
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what is an old soul um goes very very
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deep with me so I do appreciate it and
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you know for anybody that is out there
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listening right I encourage you to take
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that mindset as well of you know listen
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it's not just about the mindset that I
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bring to the table or you know trying to
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act what is above my age but it's
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actually embodying what is that old soul
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mentality of how you treat others how
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you show up and having somewhat again
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you know rooting it back to what I think
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is a little bit of a theme of an episode
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or maybe even a title right is the
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courage to be able to make those bold
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moves absolutely and I think that that's
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the one of the big things that what I
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was excited to talk to you about was
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that this idea that like people they
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they use ages some sort of definition
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thing of like you know a person
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shouldn't be able to you know be able to
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do this at this age or they shouldn't be
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able to do that at this age or whatever
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it is people put these like stupid
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filters on things that just doesn't make
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sense and basically you know and I
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really want to Echo this stuff like you
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know what Nick is dropping is like some
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gold nuggets for everybody to understand
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is he went out and made made what he
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wanted to be his life it's not like if
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you're 50 you can't do the exact same
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thing don't hold it against young people
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when they're out there doing this stuff
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and say that they don't deserve it
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because he's busting his ass just as
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much as anybody else is and I think
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that's the big point is that I think you
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your story serves not only to people
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like my age that are kind of feeling
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stuck but there's there's this young
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voice out there that I think that I
18:25
could totally see you serving in that
18:27
world with the young people that are
18:29
that are basically getting jammed up by
18:31
all this crap that they're comparing
18:33
themselves to in life right now when
18:34
they're looking at all this stuff in
18:35
social media and I think that's what
18:38
when I first met you blew my mind was
18:40
this like you know here's this person
18:42
that's you know 23 I'm talking to him
18:44
and I and I feel I can feel the that old
18:47
soul energy and I I do in hearing you it
18:51
feels so familiar because it's what got
18:53
me where I was at at your age and it's
18:56
and I it it is
like that little bit kind
18:59
of dawn me as you're talking I'm like my
19:00
God it's like I feel like I'm having a
19:01
conversation with where I was when I was
19:04
at this age yeah but the beauty of where
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you're at is like you have this Clarity
19:09
that like God I if I could go back to
19:12
younger me and say that it's amazing
19:15
which you know uh we we have like five
19:17
minutes left I do have one last question
19:19
for you that that kind of Will Button
19:20
all that up so let's say let's say you
19:23
can go back you you mentioned the
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14-year-old you I want you to manifest
19:26
that kid in front of you right now and
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talk about the stuff that you're doing
19:29
because I I know that you've gotten to
19:31
meet some pretty incredible people from
19:33
our discussions stuff like that let's
19:35
say like little 14-year-old Nicks across
19:37
the table from you in that small town um
19:39
which I have I have you beat mine had
19:41
like 2,000 people so
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um and you could talk to that person
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like what do you think their reaction
19:48
would be and what would you then take
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their reaction and feed what you're at
19:52
right now to build your next
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thing yeah that's a beautiful question
19:57
and you know the first um you know
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feeling that I get and I kind of get
20:00
chills as I'm you know saying it because
20:03
as much as I like to give and you know
20:04
I'm a servant Leader by definition um
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you know I'm still practicing what is um
20:10
being able to fully receive right and
20:12
you know for me I I think that
20:15
14-year-old is sitting there and it I
20:18
I'm not a I'm not I can't quite cry like
20:20
David does but it does uh bring the
20:22
chills up my spine in the sense I think
20:24
he's sitting there saying I'm really
20:25
proud of you yeah and it's it's very
20:28
very
20:29
um interesting because being able to
20:31
receive what is the weight of that
20:32
message um is something that you know
20:34
I'm still even working through a little
20:36
bit but um you know I think he would be
20:38
able to sit back and say I'm proud of
20:39
you um for multitude of different
20:41
reasons but most importantly because no
20:45
matter what situation you were in no
20:46
matter what room you were in or who you
20:48
were conversing with um throughout all
20:51
the ups and downs the trials and
20:52
tribulations you've remained yourself
20:55
and that has been something that you
20:57
know since I moved out here and really
20:58
took full for lack of better words I
21:01
grabbed Life by the balls and said I'm
21:02
going to go out and build right ever
21:04
since that um that's kind of been what
21:06
has been my biggest non-negotiable right
21:09
is not take what is that um a little bit
21:11
of a self-proclaimed but reinforced by
21:13
Jason old soul right and don't let that
21:15
be compromised by anyone any anything
21:18
else or any uh you know situation or
21:20
opportunity um and you know as I would
21:22
sit here today and I would you know look
21:24
back across that other side of the table
21:25
and not only give that 14-year-old self
21:28
adice for him where he's at um but I
21:30
think the advice that he would continue
21:32
to give me is you know number one I
21:35
think don't be afraid to trust people um
21:38
that's something that you know whether
21:39
it's rooting back to father or whether
21:41
it's rooting back to different friends
21:43
that I think we've all shared different
21:45
experiences of you know you trust
21:47
somebody and that trust eventually gets
21:48
broken and burned right and you you
21:51
automatically build up what is this wall
21:52
for yourself and you know I think he
21:54
would give me that advice of you know
21:56
don't be so afraid to trust people um
21:58
but just be you know be hypercritical on
22:01
the people that you do trust in the
22:02
sense that you know make sure that they
22:04
are worth it you know for any pain that
22:06
you may experience from that
22:07
relationship or by letting down that
22:09
wall um and you know the advice that I
22:11
would give to him um is number one and
22:13
most importantly slow down because we
22:16
none of us can control time but you know
22:18
even when I was in those early days of
22:20
high school right is you know I would
22:22
sit there and don't get me wrong I was
22:24
grateful and I was unbelievably present
22:26
in every single moment but with that
22:28
that said I was also already thinking
22:30
about okay I'm a junior now I'm starting
22:32
to do these things I'm competing on you
22:34
know a national level and business
22:36
competitions and so on and so forth
22:38
right and I'm already thinking of those
22:40
next steps and if I could sit back and
22:42
give him that advice of listen just slow
22:44
down continue to be present and continue
22:47
to do what you do best which is truly to
22:50
be a sponge of everyone you surround
22:53
yourself with in any situation and room
22:55
that you walk into if you continue to
22:57
carry that on which I very very proud to
22:59
say that I have like when people ask me
23:01
you know what do you do or really what
23:03
makes you special yes I have great worth
23:05
ethic I'm midwesterner we work hard from
23:08
there's no sun up sun down no ninet to-5
23:10
we work until it gets done right I that
23:12
is non-negotiable right but I think at
23:15
the end of the day um you know being
23:17
present the ability to trust um but then
23:20
most importantly actually and continuing
23:23
to love the journey and never attaching
23:25
your emotions to an outcome um I think
23:27
especially with young people right we
23:29
say oh okay I'm going to make this bold
23:30
move and you know I'm going to move to
23:32
here and there and I'm going to do it
23:33
with this intention right but we
23:35
automatically attach ourselves not only
23:36
to the outcome but to a specific
23:38
timetable in which that is supposed to
23:40
happen for me right I never did that
23:43
right even when I said I was coming out
23:45
here yes I attached myself to a
23:47
timetable of a year to understand if it
23:49
was something that I wanted to continue
23:51
to feed but there was no oh I have to be
23:53
at this point by this time or anything
23:56
along those lines because then it's
23:58
going to take the Fulfillment it's going
23:59
to take the lessons and it's going to
24:01
take what is the true beauty of the
24:03
journey out of it for you and we all
24:05
know whether it's the houses or cars or
24:08
experiences or a title which are only
24:10
made for shampoos anyway right when you
24:13
reach there you will not be fulfilled if
24:15
you didn't enjoy the process and you
24:16
didn't enjoy the journey man Nick that's
24:19
a great answer my friend you know I I
24:20
just want to take a second we to before
24:22
we jump off here and just and just tell
24:24
you uh that I'm I mean I'm proud of what
24:27
you've accompl and I'm sure that your
24:30
mom is just beyond proud of what you've
24:32
accomplished and you know I just want to
24:34
take a second to celebrate you and just
24:35
let you know that man in the world of
24:37
being a human it's not easy and you are
24:40
doing a a a bang-up job of accepting who
24:44
you are and understanding those
24:45
adjustments and and realizing that you
24:48
know time is just that it's time like
24:51
and learning how to value that and I
24:53
will say as somebody that also had
24:55
struggled with receiving um that is
24:58
going to be a battle that you're going
24:59
to have to always be aware of and but
25:02
what you what you do in this is um is
25:06
just show up like you did and you know
25:08
in a weird way you may not feel what I'm
25:11
telling you right now but when you
25:12
listen back I want you to listen back
25:13
with this understanding that like man I
25:15
appreciate you sharing this journey with
25:16
me I appreciate being able to call you a
25:18
friend and I look forward to where this
25:20
all goes in the future I look forward to
25:22
seeing where you're going to go and I
25:23
just want to thank you for your time in
25:25
and joining us here and as always just
25:27
providing that little spark that you do
25:29
when uh ever we talk and it it's just
25:31
amazing so uh I appreciate you so thank
25:34
you so much I I appreciate you and all
25:36
the kind words first off and second for
25:38
you know anybody that's tuning in um
25:40
really really really appreciate um you
25:42
know not only any lessons that may
25:44
resonate with you but you know the only
25:46
thing that I would say in terms of a
25:47
call to action is please reach out to me
25:48
and let me know how you know not only I
25:50
can be of service but more importantly
25:52
how we can create collaborate and
25:53
Inspire together um I know that Jason
25:55
will put you know my contact information
25:57
or social channels or whatever it may be
25:59
in the notes um and more than anything
26:01
I'm grateful there's nobody I'd rather
26:02
share uh what is my first podcast
26:04
experience with than the man himself and
26:06
Jason so it's a true pleasure and an
26:07
honor I can't thank you enough for
26:09
having me on and I look forward to
26:10
coming back again in the future you
26:12
knocked it out man have a great day dude
26:14
beautiful all right you as well brother
26:16
thank you so much for everything man I'm
26:17
in a job all right appreciate you
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