Full Transcript for Blind Ranking Theme Songs | Sabrina the Teenage Witch

end, it starts out with like a call and response. We love speaker-1: We need to define what makes a good theme song to us. Like is it something that's memorable and we like to sing along to, or if it's somet or is it like speaker-0: I don't know. Like for me I think it's when I think of a good theme song, I think of like it's memorable, I can sing along to it, like I remember the words like when I'm not watching the show. speaker-2: That's gonna be all of these. speaker-0: Yeah, but like there's some that like get okay, so like here's an example of one that like gets stuck like the Kim Possible theme song gets stuck in my head all the I haven't watched Kim Possible in years. I hear Kim Possible and the theme song just like plays in my head. I speaker-1: And you think that's good or bad? speaker-0: like it. I love it. No, it's different. It's different. speaker-1: Okay, so where what are you thinking for SpongeBob? speaker-0: Like D? I don't know. Do you think it's that low? speaker-1: Well that I think it should be in C or B or C, but I'm worried about taking away both of those spots. But I w I would speaker-0: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. It's tough having a limited amount of spots for each layer. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: But then would we just put everything at B and C speaker-1: Probably. speaker-2: Why it's speaker-1: I would say the second spot in C or D, or the first spot in D is what my gut is thinking. speaker-0: I I would agree with that. Do we go D to leave open a speaker-1: Think we do. I think we do. People might be mad about that, but I think we go first slot in D. All right. speaker-2: Right, number four, Scooby Doo. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-2: You can decide which one you want to do. speaker-0: I feel like you do like the scoop you do. Yeah. speaker-2: Yeah, and then there's what's and scooby doo. You're coming after you want him to also speaker-0: See for me that's like an a an A tier probably. Because so good. speaker-1: I'm thinking A. And I think both of them are both speaker-0: Are good. speaker-1: okay, I'm comfortable with A. All right. Scooby-Doo. Would you do it for a Scooby snack? speaker-2: number five, friends. speaker-1: I knew Friends was coming. I almost brought it up. I was like where are we putting Friends when it eventually comes up? speaker-0: That's a tough one. speaker-1: Because the clap. speaker-0: I know. speaker-1: I know. We used to get into an argument and w I would watch in college, specifically freshman year, and Haley Hess would put it on and Haley Hess or Casey, I can't remember which one, would skip the theme song, but then the other two of us would be like, Why are you skipping the theme song? I could make an argument for A, but then that takes away our second slot in A. speaker-0: I don't know. I don't know if it's i I think it's iconic in the sense that like you hear that or speaker-1: Is it the same level of that seventy show and we should put it with that seventy show? Now that I'm thinking about it. Do we think of them as the same? 'Cause I would put it above that seventy show. I'm worried we maybe put that seventy show too high. speaker-0: We s we started off feeling really confident, maybe. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: I think N B would be okay. I think it's good and I think like you hear that song and you think of friends. speaker-2: I personally don't rate the songs that are like songs that they take for the theme song. I I don't rate that as highly as songs that are meant at speaker-1: four. speaker-0: I agree. I I I I do agree with that. Like I like when the theme songs are like for the show. speaker-1: made for the show. so you wanna put it lower then be speaker-0: We I would potentially put it lower. 'Cause I feel like so far all of the ones that we have in their respective ranks from A through D are all ones that are like made speaker-1: Made for the show. speaker-0: for the show, not like a song. speaker-1: That's kind of a fair point. I didn't really think about that. Okay, so what where do you want to put it? speaker-0: I don't know. Does it deserve as low as E? speaker-1: It could. speaker-0: It is like speaker-2: You did kind of maybe jump the gun on that seventy sh speaker-1: I think we put that seventy shift too high. Yeah. But I know. I know. I know. I think to save it to give us some room back for our early mistakes, maybe we do put friends at E. speaker-0: Okay. Mm maybe that's a hot take. I don't know. speaker-1: It probably is a hot take. speaker-2: I think with the other stuff that's on here, you guys are doing fine with that. In my opinion. In my opinion. But maybe I have hot takes, I don't know. speaker-0: Okay. All right. We have front. speaker-2: Number six, we have Arthur. Walking down the street into the rhythm of the Yeah, you know. That one speaker-1: I can remember this one if I'm being completely honest. So I feel like I'm gonna leave it up to you. speaker-2: play a little bit of it on your phone. Because if you heard it you'd be like, this is so good. There's like a little breakdown in there This is good. speaker-1: Is it made it's made for the show, I'm assuming. Every day when you're speaker-2: And then I say, hey. speaker-1: Okay, we're gonna get copyrighted. speaker-2: That's my speaker-0: Got it, got it, got it. speaker-1: okay, yeah, that one's good. speaker-0: Yeah, that one is pretty good. To me, that one feels like a B spot because like it's so different, I feel like, from like a lot of other ones. It's made for the show. speaker-1: would probably my gut would say C, but if you feel passionate about B, I would accept it. speaker-0: I don't think I feel passionately enough to say no. speaker-1: So Well I'm thinking like Little Einstein like would I put Little Einstein and Arthur together? And I think I would. Okay. Okay. I would be a speaker-0: Okay with that. So that we don't have any more C spots. speaker-1: He's gone, which is dangerous. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-2: Yeah, you're

filling up the middle fast. speaker-0: I feel like that's always what goes where. speaker-2: Number seven The Fresh Prince of Belair. speaker-1: my god, so good. speaker-0: That is a really good one. speaker-1: This might be a hot take, but I would put it S tier. speaker-0: Really? man. speaker-2: I would put it S tier. man. speaker-1: I think it's so good. speaker-0: It is really good. speaker-1: And the main actor in the show is singing it. Which speaker-0: Yeah, he does say that. speaker-1: I mean so like Selena Gomez and Hanna Montana too. But like he's rapping and I feel like it it's like his song. speaker-0: It's yeah. speaker-2: Here's the thing, I think you're cool if you can wrap the themes on Refresh Prince of Elder. Yeah. speaker-1: I've also made I've had school projects. This is like kind of crazy, but I've made I've had school projects where I've had to like make a song or something and I would always use French Prince of Valaire and change the words to it to fit like the topic. Yeah. speaker-0: And everybody knew what Tommy was saying. Alright, I can get behind that. speaker-1: Sweet. For our first S tier. speaker-2: Halfway through, do you wanna like read where we're at right now? speaker-0: Yeah. So up in our S tier, we have the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. speaker-1: Iconic. speaker-0: Then we go down to the A tier, we have Scooby Doo, B tier we have that 70s show, which maybe could have been D It could have been a miss. speaker-1: We got excited. That was our first one. speaker-2: Literally. speaker-0: It does have iconic moments in it, so like speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah. speaker-2: I do like my speaker-0: Yeah, right, right. So B tier, that's how many show. Our C tier is full with little Einstein's and Arthur. speaker-1: Not mad at that. speaker-0: In D we have SpongeBob and in E we have friends. speaker-2: Okay. speaker-0: I'm scared for the second half. speaker-2: Number eight, the sweet life of Zack and Cody. Not sweet life on deck. So speaker-1: Back up the sweet life. speaker-2: Yep. Here you are. You and me got the world to see. Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, yeah. speaker-1: And like with them on the little luggage cart is so fun. speaker-0: Yeah, that one's good. And it's also like really made for like speaker-1: The show. speaker-0: the show, which is really fun. But like is it S through B tier? I don't think so. speaker-2: You're regretting the C's. speaker-1: I know. I would maybe say see I would say beer D so and I'm leaning D. speaker-0: Yeah. But then that really speaker-1: What are we putting in F? speaker-0: we have we don't we haven't had anything we hated so far. speaker-1: it's sad. I just feel like Phineas and Ferber's probably on this list and I want that to be high. I love that theme song. And I'm worried. I'm worried it's not gonna have a good spot. speaker-0: But I know, that's why I'm like, do we just have to put it down a little bit lower by default? speaker-1: Yeah. So I'm thinking definitely not high I think D at it's at the highest. But speaker-0: Yeah, I agree. speaker-1: then that takes away our second D spot. speaker-0: I know, it takes away like another low middle. It doesn't feel that. speaker-1: Like it's It doesn't feel F. It doesn't feel F. speaker-2: I I think you should do D. I think you're gonna be okay. I think you're going to like that it goes at D. speaker-1: Okay. speaker-0: Alright, we're taking your word for it. speaker-1: That's w kind of where I was leaning anyway. speaker-0: See D or E filling in one of those second spots. speaker-2: Number nine Power Rangers That's Go Go Power Rangers speaker-0: Okay, Haiki, I don't know that theme song. speaker-1: I do know it, but I'm comfortable with putting it at F. speaker-0: Yeah, I think that's easily enough for me. speaker-1: With the other things on the list for sure. speaker-2: Number ten. Fool House. Everywhere you look, baby. speaker-1: Mm mm mm mm. Pretty iconic. speaker-2: I actually think I would like put this above friends. Like if you could do perfect list. I think this is better than the Friends theme. speaker-0: Yeah, I was thinking it's like right in with friends. speaker-1: It would fit well with friends. I wouldn't be mad if we put it with friends in E. Yeah. I feel like that's great about that. speaker-0: Actually, yeah. I I don't know why. It just like feels like it's on the same speaker-1: I'm pretty sure. speaker-2: Like it's like yeah. Number eleven Choo Choo Soul. speaker-1: In the speaker-0: Wait, I like really vaguely remembered speaker-2: boy, the choo choo chain. You know that one? That's like a Disney Junior like show. speaker-0: Yes, that's what I was gonna say. It's like a short. Yeah. To me I don't feel passionately about that, so that could be enough for me. But like speaker-1: I don't remember it or know it, so I would say F. speaker-0: Okay, we're finishing out our end, which is only leaving good ones, so we better hope we have good stuff coming. But I don't know Choo Choo Soul at all, so like speaker-1: Should you so? speaker-0: I can't think like when you sang that it sounded familiar, but I could not sing it to you off the top of my head. Whereas like any one of these other ones I could have done like given you some of it. Okay. speaker-1: But Yeah, put it in F. Okay. speaker-2: Numbers twelve. Proud family. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: we just talked about that. So good. I feel like it's gotta be like A tier, probably. speaker-1: I would say A or S, but I don't wanna I'm the only reason I would put it in an S is because I don't want something sucky to get stuck there. But speaker-0: Right. speaker-1: I would my gut would say A. Okay. speaker-0: think I would agree with that. It would leave us with one spot in S and one spot in B. speaker-1: I'm not mad at that. I think we put it in A. Okay. speaker-2: She's splitting. She's going in the middle. She's speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-2: Successfully split the G in years. speaker-1: I almost did the other day.

speaker-2: That's not the same thing as doing it. speaker-1: I have embarrassing. speaker-0: She's been practicing. Okay. speaker-2: Number thirteen, Bill Nye, the science guy. speaker-0: Pil, pill, pill. speaker-1: Okay. Might be S tier. Yeah. Because then that came on in the classroom. speaker-0: Everybody was hype. so hype. my god. I think it's gotta be speaker-1: We love you, Lil Not. speaker-0: There's a anybody who says it's not is just lying. speaker-1: Nye the science guy. I speaker-0: Science really speaker-1: hope the person that made that made so much money. speaker-2: I honestly don't know if it's that good. I wonder if we were just like so excited to not have to do it in school that we just like were in speaker-1: It's like a bird. speaker-2: response. Like it's like, I'm not gonna have to do anything for the next 30 minutes. Let's wal let's let's really on this. speaker-1: Like walk in Chant Bill's name. Bill speaker-2: Yes. speaker-0: Do you know if you said that show to anybody, they would immediately break out speaker-1: Yes, yes, absolutely. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-1: So true. And I'll never forget the Okay, so the last one is going in B. speaker-2: Last one, probably like I wouldn't say the most iconic on this list, but like has a special place in my heart for sure. VeggieTale. speaker-0: Okay. speaker-1: okay. speaker-0: I but you know what? I don't hate that spot. speaker-1: I don't hate it at B. I don't hate it at B. speaker-0: I don't hate it at being. speaker-1: I think I'm happy with our list. speaker-2: Can you read it off? speaker-0: Of yeah. speaker-2: I try to I try to guide you guys back speaker-0: Yeah, no, I think I think we corrected. I think there's maybe give or take one or two we could switch. speaker-1: Yeah, but it's not that speaker-0: I feel pretty good about it. So in our S tier we have the fresh prince of Bel Air and Bill and I the science guy. speaker-1: They belong there. They belong there. Those are the two S tiers for sure. speaker-0: In our A tier we have Scooby Doo and the Proud Family, which I agree with. I mean speaker-2: Can't argue it though. speaker-0: you can't. In B tier, we have That Seventies show and Veggie Tales. speaker-1: It was too high too early. Yeah. But like still good. speaker-0: But I think that somebody show easily could have been like a C. Yeah. And been pretty comfy like speaker-1: Yeah, I wouldn't put it below C, so I'm actually not mad. Not mad. speaker-0: So in C, we have the little Einsteins and we have Arthur. Okay. Arguably I could have put little Ein signs a lot lower. But that's per that's truly a personal problem, I think. In D we have SpongeBob and the sweet life of Zack and Cody. speaker-1: I could switch D and C and be happy. speaker-0: Yeah, I I could well, but Arthur I like at C. speaker-1: yeah, that's true. speaker-0: in E we have friends and full house, which that just makes sense. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Iconic in their own respects, but like speaker-1:

Like made specifically for the show. Either of them, right? Well Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah. Full house might have been. No. No, it wasn't. Okay. I'm like, I don't know. speaker-2: Nope, nope. speaker-0: And then in F we have Power Rangers and Choo Choo Soul, which Deserved. speaker-2: Does speaker-0: Deserved. Yeah. And I'm like, if I don't know your theme song off the top of my head, then like you're just not that iconic. speaker-2: Or you just didn't watch it. speaker-1: Yeah, and that's what happened with those. But I'm happy. Give or take one or two, perfect. speaker-0: I think that was a great look. Yeah. Perfect look. speaker-1: I'm putting our list in A tier. right. So that brings us into our main topic of the day, Sabrina the Teenage Witch. speaker-2: Whoa Not a good theme song. speaker-1: My goodness, that was a crazy noise that just came out of you. Okay. speaker-0: So speaker-2: And it's fine. speaker-0: hype about teenager. speaker-1: I love this show too. speaker-2: Shows so much. speaker-1: Like I've gone through phases of watching it like a lot through my life. speaker-2: One of these shows that like is n like a warm blanket to me that I just like need to every once in a while to watch. Just like how every year I need to watch the Parent Trap, the Lindsay Lohan version of the Parent Trap in order to I I just need to it's like my reset, you know. speaker-0: Yeah, that's fair. speaker-1: Yeah, I love that. I also love the show. okay, so I get to start us out with fun facts today, and that's hype. wait, actually sorry. I'm not used to doing the intro. It's also the thirtieth anniversary of the show. Yeah, it started it aired in on A B C in nineteen ninety six. We're speaker-0: Korean. speaker-1: at the thirtieth anniversary. speaker-2: And you know what? We're turning thirty soon. Think about speaker-1: I was just reading that my brother my brother was born in nineteen ninety six and I was like thirtieth anniversary and I like, yeah, my brother's thirty, that's crazy speaker-0: We have two more years. speaker-1: Yeah, we do. Well, like two and a half. Well not really. Our birthday's in a month. God. Okay. speaker-0: I know. speaker-2: We're gonna pause for like a mental health crisis really quick, and then once we're done with our Mentibees, we'll be back. All right, we're back. speaker-1: We're back. Okay. yeah, so I'm gonna move us into some fun facts to kick off this thirtieth anniversary episode of Sabrina the Teenage Witch. first fun fact Sabrina's evil cousin, who guest stars in all seven seasons of the show, which I don't even think I realized she was in every single season, but it's played by her little sister in real life, which I think is crazy. speaker-0: I don't think I realized there were seven seasons to this show. speaker-1: Yes, very long. Yeah, it went on for a while. speaker-0: That makes sense because I don't think I ever fully got through the show. I've watched it like numerous times and gotten through like the first three seasons. speaker-1: It normally does happen to me during my rewatch as well. speaker-0: And then I never get to the end. And I'm like what speaker-2: Because because it's like in high school, it's definitely like one of those shows and Glee is like this too, where like once they graduate speaker-1: We'll just stop watching. Yeah, just like change a little bit and it's speaker-0: That seventies show too. Like they all graduated high school and then it was like everybody. speaker-2: It like maybe the last season. speaker-0: Yeah. Not like it was like the last couple. speaker-2: Not like there's still another ha back half of the series. speaker-0: I'm wondering if that's what happened. It's like I make it through the high school portion and then I just like don't know what happens. Because I feel like you've mu you guys have been mentioning like before we started filming some things that have happened and I'm like, I don't remember that at all. speaker-1: I've rewatched this show probably five times, but only probably rewatched every single season, like maybe twice. So I do normally get stuck somewhere there in the middle. speaker-0: Yeah, I d I had no idea there were seven seasons, so that's kinda crazy. speaker-2: Yeah, and it's like you know it's like seven seasons, twenty two episodes, not like the eight episodes speaker-1: Four speaker-0: Right. Which is how TV should be Don't get me started. speaker-2: I don't know, people need only ten like it's that's I think a really hard on the actors to do the twenty two. So I get it. speaker-0: Okay, well then just have better policies in place to make it happen because why am I waiting three years for eight episodes? speaker-2: Okay, I think waiting as long as they do is crazy, but like I will say like I'm comfortable with like ten episodes, but I shouldn't have to wait like ten years. speaker-0: That's I'm saying. Like you're only doing eight to ten episodes. You should be able to get those out low key, like every year and a half. speaker-2: Yeah. Yeah, I think that's fair. speaker-1: But I think doing it alternatively for the actors, that makes it harder to do different projects. Actually maybe not. I don't know. Okay, anyway. We'll get speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: Okay. next fun fact the zip code that was used like on the show for their house is actually the same zip code as Salem, Massachusetts, which I think is pretty cool. Yeah. speaker-0: We went there over Halloween a couple of years ago and it was really fun and witchy. speaker-2: I think the address too is like it's like Collins is in the name, which is like a call to like some sort of like vampire thing that I guess would also be used for Twilight because they're the Collins family too. But I think that originates from something else. speaker-1: I'm sure it does because Twilight would have been after this show started. speaker-0: That's fun. speaker-1: yeah, cool. I like that. and then the next fun fact is that only Sabrina and Salem

were in all one hundred and sixty three episodes. Which I think is pretty crazy. speaker-0: That's cool. speaker-1: It's kind of tea that Salem made it in all of them. speaker-0: It's so easy to incorporate him though, I feel like. He's kinda like the comic relief, I feel like, also. speaker-2: He's also like blonde. speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah. And they're buddy buddy. Like their best. Yeah. speaker-2: And I also think a lot of episodes she needs him. speaker-1: Yes. speaker-0: They like scheme together. speaker-2: He will be like, No, you're not doing this right 'cause she's like in school and he's like, I'm actually a warlock, like you need to listen. Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah. And like a really smart one, but then he was a little bit eagle. Yeah. Yeah. okay, and then also the show featured a lot of pop stars through their years, which is kind of funny. and that includes Usher, InSync, the Backstreet Boys, and Britney Spears. I really r specifically remember the Britney Spears episode. speaker-0: I don't remember any of that, so I must have missed speaker-1: Yeah. And then my final fun fact of the day before we get into more of the nitty gritty of the show, the robotic version of Salem the Cat was previously used in the nineteen ninety three movie Hocus Pocus, which I speaker-0: my god, sweet, that's cool. speaker-1: Well yeah. speaker-0: I don't think I would have known that, but it honestly makes sense. speaker-1: I mean When I read that fun fact I was like, yeah, I like that it does make sense. speaker-0: Well, speaker-1: Well, they have the r a real like when they're doing a scene where like the cat needs to run away, like then it'll be a real black cat, like running away. But like when it's just like Sabrina and the cat talking, like I feel like it's just not a real speaker-2: Yeah. And I think they have like multi ver multiple versions of the fake cat. Yeah. speaker-0: Because I r okay, so like we I watched the pilot episode today to like just get like a little refresher on how it started. And when Salem came into the scene I was like, my god, I don't remember him looking so like frightening. speaker-1: That's a cat. speaker-2: His eyes are like piercing into ears. speaker-0: Yeah. Like I kind of thought he they used a real cat. Like I thought speaker-1: They definitely do because there are scenes where like it literally needs to be a cat running away or like something like that. So I think they switch on and off a lot. But like when they're like having a conversation and the cat doesn't really have to be moving much, then I think it's just speaker-0: Just use the robot cat. Yeah. But checks out. I just remember being, ooh. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: scary looking. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-1: He's doing his job then. speaker-0: So I didn't know this, but the actual idea of Sabrina the Teenage Witch originates from Archie Comics. speaker-1: Petty. Yeah, I had no idea it was a comic book first. But it honestly kinda makes sense when you think speaker-0: I mean, I guess it does. I I just didn't really think about it. But it's like speaker-2: Would you? speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: I just I think I think I just thought it was like an original idea that somebody came up with in the nineties and we just ran with it and there was like a gajillion things. But yeah. It was actually from Archie Comics and they like were released back in the sixties. So like what? Like a long time ago. speaker-1: Actually, speaker-0: so basically there's two main timelines for the comics. There was Sabrina, the cute little witch, which followed Sabrina through elementary age. speaker-2: All I'm picturing is like, you know how they did like baby loony tunes? speaker-0: That's exactly I'm picturing that. speaker-1: that's funny. I'm picturing like Casper. Like young Hilary Duff. Like the cute little witch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. speaker-0: That's cute. I I was thinking cartoon and I was picturing it how like baby Looney tunes was as well. so that was the first one, and then the second one was Sabrina the Teenage, which which we all know, following her through high school. the basic premise of the comics is the same concepts as the sitcom, with like some minor creative changes. Sabrina is a half witch where her mother is an ordinary human and her father is a warlock who travels and isn't really around. speaker-2: Do you guys I know like half witch and like when we talk about like the wizarding world and they say like mud blood and stuff, it's like obviously like a slur. Mm-hmm. But like there's actually like they're just a witch. They're just a wizard, right? Like it's like there's no there's there like they still have speaker-1: She doesn't have she doesn't have less powers because she only has for sure. speaker-2: She's just the witch, no? Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: I agree. I totally agree because if you have the magic like there speaker-2: There's no ha like 'cause I feel like in mythology there's like a difference between being a demigod and being a god. I speaker-0: yeah. speaker-2: don't really see the distinction in half witch. speaker-1: No, I don't think there is. I don't think there is. I think it's just a slur. It's I yeah, yeah. speaker-0: Because I'm like, if you have the magic, what who can speaker-1: That's how it is in Harry Potter too. Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, no. I I I don't know why they say half witch, because like you just You're a witch. speaker-2: I think I think witch I think witchery is binary. I think you're a witcher you're not. speaker-1: Yeah, because I also think you can be a full blooded witch and have less powers than someone who's a half witch. Right. Like it just like depends on your powers. No. speaker-2: No. speaker-1: No. There's more powerful witches. Because you can come from like a p a powerful blood line of witches. speaker-2: Yeah, but don't you think it's based off of the skills or like the knowledge? Then why are they going to speaker-0: Where are you getting that

distinction from? speaker-2: You're thinking somebody is naturally born with more powers than another person 'cause every single thing that I see is like speaker-0: Because then because then the half which would make more sense to be that speaker-1: No. I don't think that I mean it could maybe play into it, but no, I d I don't think that's necessarily true. But no, there's definitely I feel like based off of things that that I in fantasy worlds that I read about and stuff, there are powerful witch bloodlines and those witches are more powerful. Like even Harry Potter. Harry Potter is a more powerful wizard than other people that go to that school. Yes. speaker-2: Is it I feel like it's all the same amount of spells. Like if you know the spell, you know the spell. speaker-1: He can speak to snakes and that's speaker-2: gifting that others can have. speaker-1: She has more gifts and more power and things than other witches. And specifically I know you guys never watch it, but specifically vampire diaries, there's a family of witches and they specifically have more powers. Do you know what this is giving? That is a very common theme in any in the witch world, when you get into it, there's always a more powerful witch family. speaker-2: Giving like Peter Pants creepy because I watched this one episode of Once Upon a Time. speaker-1: This is standard in the witch world. And I'm speaker-0: She books and I think speaker-2: You can speaker-0: I think it just depends on like speaker-1: I'm pretty confident that I'm right. speaker-0: I think it just depends on like your skill. Because then I think that like half witch would be like a valid term used. speaker-1: Too it could maybe I don't necessarily think that it means that you have less power though. Because if your bloodline is like like her her dad's bloodline, if she's like from a really powerful witch family and she's getting her dad's bloodline of the witch powers, like if she's getting any powers at all, that doesn't necess it doesn't really matter that her mom's human. She's still getting the bloodline of the powerful witches. speaker-2: I mean in the pilot she's like flying on a vacuum. Is it that serious? That she that speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-2: like how serious is this wizarding woman? speaker-1: I think typical like if you're not a soup from a super powerful witch family, it's minimal. The difference between the normal population of witches and warlocks is a minimal difference and it doesn't typically matter. But there are standout families for su speaker-0: But is that canon in the Sabrina world? speaker-1: I don't know. Family definitely has pool though. speaker-0: Well yeah, maybe. I don't know. I think we could go in circles on that. speaker-1: I think people speaker-2: Whole podcast about our I'm gonna I think we should like maybe like special episodes where it's just like here's the debate and you're speaker-1: Here's how. speaker-2: which is real and that's like the question and then you come with your facts and we'll come with our facts and we'll just debate speaker-0: I love that. I think that's a great speaker-2: arguing. This is I speaker-1: It's me versus both of you. speaker-2: think in this example, but you can find something that I feel strongly about that you two have a differing opinion on and we can go from there. speaker-1: Wait, well, the one debate could be like are we friends? speaker-2: And you guys will say yes and we're just back and forth. speaker-1: Okay, okay. speaker-0: Moving on, they describe her as a half-witch because her mom is a human and her dad is a warlock. speaker-2: Half witch, more like half bitch. speaker-1: Okay. You were really excited to say that? speaker-2: The B doesn't stand for Becca, everyone. Ask my pinky. speaker-1: That's what I'm speaker-0: It's true. speaker-1: thinking. speaker-0: So basically Sabrina lives with her two aunts because both her parents are like MIA. They're like they're 'cause it could like kill her or something. speaker-1: She's not allowed to see her mom. Right. She like turns into a broom or something if she sees her mom for the two years after she turns sixteen. speaker-0: Because her mom's not a witch. Yes. Mm. speaker-1: It's supposed to defer it's supposed to discourage humans and witches and warlocks getting married. speaker-0: Yes, right. 'Cause it weakens the blood. speaker-1: Because it matters. Because the bloodlines matter. speaker-0: So anyway, Sabrina lives with her two aunts and the cat named Salem, who is actually a warlock, who was a little bit evil, so he was sentenced to being a cat for a hundred years. speaker-1: Like speaker-2: Great punishment in my opinion. Not not phased at all by this. speaker-1: But like his whole like it is a punishment for him specifically because he had a lot of drive and he wanted to take over the world. I get it. So like then he just has to be a lazy cat. He's like, Ugh, I wanna be I wanna take over the world. speaker-0: Right, right, right. speaker-2: Right. I think cats can take over the world. I think a lot of movie plots lead to the conclusion that cats are capable of taking over speaker-1: True. speaker-0: yeah. Sometimes I look at my cats like all just sitting around and like vibing all day and I'm like, I wish I had your life. speaker-1: It's yeah. speaker-0: Like literally. But anyway, there's several volumes of the comics that have been produced. So volume one was created from nineteen seventy-one to nineteen eighty three. They did 77 issues during that time period. Volume two was from 1997 to 1999. They did 32 issues. wow, that there's a lot of issues in those, like speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: two years. And then volume three, they did from 2000 to 2009, and they did 104 issues. The second volume of the comics followed the 1996 sitcom and included character development from the live action TV series. So that volume of comics is based on the TV show. Yeah. Okay. speaker-1: That makes sense. speaker-0: and

so like I said, it follows like the character development and it includes Salem's backstory, Sabrina's last name, and like the modern technology from that time. So as I said, they did a volume three. Archie rebooted the comic again for volume three in two thousand, but based it on the animated series from nineteen ninety nine, which like I do have some recollection of that. Yeah. speaker-1: Same. speaker-0: I liked that version of the show a lot as well. I can't r I don't know where I could watch that even right now, but I did really like that. speaker-1: It might be on Privideo. I don't know where it would be. speaker-2: You could definitely just like I I think you can like find free services with it. speaker-1: Probably it's probably on YouTube honestly. speaker-0: Yeah, true. Because I remember really liking that speaker-2: It was only one season though. I think speaker-1: I think that sometimes I confused when I was like really young, maybe confused the animated Sabrina, teenage witch, to Lizzie McGuire is animated. Yeah. speaker-2: Because the bit emoji. I will tell you I do remember like times where because like you're on cable and you're flipping through channels, it'll say like Sabrina and you have to like wait and see which one it is. Like if I only wanted to watch the sitcom speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-2: and then it's like, it's a cartoon, it's like, Well I don't really want to watch the cartoon and then speaker-0: Like go to the I know. I know. But basically that volume three of the comic, it it lasted from issues one to fifty four until the comic underwent a manga transformation for issues fifty five to one and four. Seems kind of random to randomly do that in the middle of like the series. That's weird. It in my It's speaker-1: What does that mean? speaker-0: like a style of like speaker-1: Okay. So they switched up how with like the drawings and stuff? speaker-0: Yeah anime. speaker-2: So it's more like an speaker-0: Yeah. But the source material from that time actually prompted several different adaptations over the years. so I know we briefly mentioned the nineteen ninety-six sitcom and the nineteen ninety-nine cartoon adaptation, but they've also written paperback novels, they've had animated series in the sixties and seventies. And then most recently, there's a thriller T V show on Netflix called The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina. And that came out in twenty eighteen. I feel like that's like the most recent, like speaker-2: Sabrina thing. speaker-0: popular version. speaker-1: I remember it coming out. I think maybe I tried to watch the first episode, but then I was like, What is this? I think I'm mad that they tried to make it creepy. I don't know. speaker-0: It's too scary for me personally. speaker-2: like a Netflix thing. speaker-1: Yeah, I think so. speaker-2: So I think this was around the time Netflix became like bad. I don't know if like you know this story, but like essentially there was like a person responsible for greenlighting like Netflix shows. And they made like all the hits. So like they greenlit Stranger Things, aren't just new black, like these like really popular shows. And then eventually they hired like a second person. So there's two creative ones in the room. And who was a lot more lenient about what got like greenlit. And then that's where you started getting like those shows like that lasted like one season and then they were canceled because they were bad and it like, Netflix is getting bad, yeah, or whatever. And then like once they figured this out and they were losing all this money because Netflix obviously like any production that Netflix does is like really high end. Right. And they're like, We just like lost all this money. Why are you green liting all this stuff? Then they like went back to just like going off of like this one person's thing and now they're like back to making like better shows. Like I think there's a bunch of new shows out that speaker-1: Do you think it's coming back and is better? speaker-0: I agree, actually. speaker-2: There's like this whole thing that like basically 'cause Netflix was losing a lot of money, but like their saving Grace was the show Grace and Frankie. I'm not sure if you've like ever seen that. Very speaker-0: I think I've seen a couple episodes on speaker-2: good. Highly recommend it. but like that show was like relatively low budget and it like considered like the dark horse 'cause like lasted so long and like it was just like the only thing that was still going on during like this like kind of like dark period of Netflix that was good. But long story short Chilling Adventures of Sabrina. Like definitely falls into that era of like, like not a lot's going on in Netflix right now, or Netflix isn't that exciting. And so I feel like it's just kind of lost on us. but going back to the like nineteen ninety nine cartoon, I feel like I remember that like airing like after Liberty Kids. Like I feel like it was like on PBS or something. And it was speaker-0: Like was on PBS. I like remember loving that. Like the animated version. I low key, maybe this is a hot take, I think I saw that one first, the animated one, and then I put on the live action one and I was like, what is speaker-2: see that being really daunting as a kid, expecting a cartoon and getting something else. But like to me speaker-0: But then I did end up liking like the sitcom version, but I remember really distinctly being like, This is not my Sabrina. speaker-1: That's fair. speaker-2: Do you know who Harvey Kinkle is in the chilling adventures of Sabrina? speaker-0: No. speaker-2: Ross Lynch. speaker-0: Ross Lynch's Harvey. speaker-2: I'm like, that's not my Harvey. Austin speaker-1: Who's Rosalyn? speaker-2: and Allie. He's Austin. The guy from like T T. speaker-1: boo. speaker-0: I actually love Ross Lynch in like kind of like a side like random. speaker-2: Yeah. I'm all in on Ross. speaker-0: Okay. I actually I love Ross Lynch

because Bella loved Ross Lynch so much when he was in R five. She like went and saw them like on tour and was a big like fangir. And like I kind of Because speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: you don't wanna come to social events. But I you speaker-2: I'm so isolated. speaker-0: are anti social and I invite you to things and you say speaker-2: If I you need to say, here's the people that are coming and if it's the people I wanna see, then I'll come. If it's the people I don't wanna see, I'm not coming. speaker-0: Who's coming? and you say P speaker-1: Well you get to see Bell on the batch right things. speaker-0: Bella still be there and you can bond over Ross Lynch. She has a video of him and she's like ninety percent sure he like made eye contact to her and like speaker-1: Like speaker-2: I'd faint. speaker-0: So yeah, I grew to love Ross Lynch during that era. I mean, I still like him, but because of Bella. But he's gonna not harm me. speaker-2: He's just n I will say underrated hair, Harvey Kinkle. Like nobody talks about speaker-1: He has grape hair. speaker-2: he has great hair, but like nobody ever like puts him up with like all the rest of the people that are like these guys have good hair. Like he's just forgotten. His hair is forgotten and that's a crime. speaker-1: Agree with you. speaker-0: I actually think he's right up there with like a lot of like the like like stereotypical like hot guys of like the nineties and early two thousands in my mind, but he's never included. No. But I was watching the episode today and I was like, he's attractive. He's like a good looking guy. I wonder what speaker-1: He's bald. we love a beard, bald with a beard. speaker-0: But they always lose their hair. speaker-2: Well, hopefully now we're normalizing transplants where this won't happen in the future because speaker-1: Normalized transplant, she's transplant. speaker-0: Look at hair speaker-2: And then just get hair trimmed. speaker-0: Just do it. We don't care. speaker-1: Do it. speaker-2: Everybody's okay. And also, like, it's better. Like, I think your mental health improves because you're not worried about your receding hairline. speaker-0: That's your no bulb. speaker-2: Bald men, poor mental health. speaker-1: Some men can pull it off. But speaker-0: Yeah, some men I think are meant to be speaker-1: if you're not one of them, just get a hair drink. speaker-2: Like you don't wanna be a Mr. Clean looking ass. speaker-1: He's one of the ones that can pull it off. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: We don't know what he looks like with hair, so it's sure. speaker-2: The next on our next podcast episode we're gonna be ranking bald men. And we're like, you'll hear it here first. speaker-0: That's moving on from men's hair hair patterns. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: a little f I I'm assuming your fun fact. A little fun fact about the different T V series is that in the nineteen ninety nine animated cartoon, Melissa Joan Hart voices both ants and her

younger sister is the voice actor for Sabrina. That's very fun. That's so cutie. speaker-2: Keep in the family, keep it in the family. It's like how like Noah Cyrus is like randomly in a couple episodes of Hannah Montana. speaker-1: Any time we needed a little girl like extra, she it was her. speaker-0: Love that. I actually like how much like the families are involved in this. So do you guys know what's really crazy? The Riverdale World and Sabrina the Teenage Witch are like in the same universe. Yeah. speaker-1: Crazy, I didn't know that. I I'm not a ri Watched speaker-2: So it makes sense that I'm speaker-1: a few episodes, but like I would have never guessed that. I would have never guessed it was the same universe. I'm Yeah. speaker-0: Why would I think that those are like the same? And like I don't know how they cross over. But apparently Greendale, which is where Sabrina lives, is the next town over from Riverdale. See? I know. but also to kind of go into that in the chilling adventures of Sabrina, the like Netflix version, they did touch on some of the crossover between Riverdale, which is like a callback to like the comics, yeah, where they like first introduced that. Which is really weird. Like I feel like more people would be talking about that. speaker-1: kinda wanna read the comics, Loki. Instead of watch the whole ep the whole thing of Riverdale and then also the whole thing of the chilling adventures of Sabrina, I just wanna know I just wanna read the comics. Well and I don't speaker-2: think that like Riverdale or the Chilling Adventures Arena were done like justice. I haven't speaker-0: He's like, speaker-2: heard like the best things about them, but like it sounds speaker-1: That's true a while. speaker-0: For in the beginning for the first I would have really done something cool to like actually do a legitimate crossover in a cool way. speaker-2: It just it reminds me a lot of how like you had your in to do however many episodes or seasons of How I Met Your Father with like intersecting episodes. I feel and then they just like never greenlit How I Met Your Father after a How I Met Your Mother ended. And I feel like that's what it was. I know, but it's like but originally it was gonna be like the the actual mom that like ends up being in it she was gonna be the main character and then like it was gonna have the same timeline as the how I met your father stuff and random stuff was gonna interconnect speaker-0: So good. speaker-1: The speaker-0: Yeah, that would have been sick. People just really missed. speaker-2: And then like you could do that with the River or yeah, Riverdale stuff where it's like okay. 'Cause I 'cause like I I haven't seen the shows, but it feels like they're not in the same timeline. Like Riverdale feels a lot more current compared to the chilling adventures of Subbr like so to me it's like it feels like they could have like intersecting stuff happening. They like watched it. speaker-0: They missed the more.

speaker-2: But I I guess in the comics, like They're friends. So like Jughead and Archie and Betty and Veronica, they're friends with Sabrina. And I think Sabrina I think even like said like they know she's a witch, which you're not supposed to know. So that's kinda tapping. speaker-0: Right. Like I just think they could totally missed the mark with that. Like they could've done something really cool and made it like a huge thing if it was gonna be like actually Riverdale and like the chilling adventures of Sabrina. Like they could have done like you know how like Nickelodeon or Disney they used to be crossover speaker-1: Like those like speaker-0: things? They could have done something so cool and got like a double promotion out. speaker-1: Over. speaker-0: And they just didn't. Right. speaker-2: that like plays out in streaming. speaker-1: Yeah, me either. speaker-2: Watch so I've been like rewatching episodes of Chicago Fire, but it intersects bec with like Chicago Med S speaker-1: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Shows like that do that all the time. speaker-2: So like there was an episode that like this it ends with a girl just passing out. Like one of the main characters just passes out. And then whatever the next episode was, it's definitely like not in Chicago Fire. It's either in Chicago Med or Chicago PD. Because by the next episode it's not even speaker-1: It's not a topic. speaker-0: Do that on NCIS all the time and then I get pissed because not all the NCIS are on Paramount, I think. Paramount? They're not all on Paramount. Yeah. speaker-2: Yeah, yeah. speaker-0: And so then I'm missing three episodes because it's like a part one, part two, part three, or I gotta go try to find the other series that it's in. speaker-1: Yeah, that's annoying. speaker-0: Which, like, I mean, I guess if they did this, they would all be on Netflix. So like it would have been fine. But like speaker-1: It would almost have to be like a movie or like a like a fifty minute what speaker-2: we need Netflix is you to make decoms of your T speaker-1: Like these. speaker-2: series. speaker-0: Yes. speaker-2: But like, yeah. Get on it. I'm sure it'll be not lucrative. Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah. You missed the mark, you missed the hype. Sorry, Netflix. speaker-2: Alright, so Jordan kind of talked a lot about the origins of Sabrina with these comics. but I wanted to explain how those comics ended up becoming the TV series that we know and love today. All right. So, we all know that like Melissa Joan Hart is kind of like a typical children's actor, right? Like, do you guys know about Clarissa Xwains at all? speaker-1: like not well, but vaguely. speaker-2: So like before this is actually to me a really good test of like if you're truly a millennial or if you're like kind of like more Gen Z or like zelennial, Clarissa Explains It All like w was a T V show in Nickelodeon that starred Melissa Joan Hart and then afterwards like she started on Sabrina the Teenage Witch when she was twenty. And I feel like that's what like our generation knows. So like, depending on how you know Melissa Gerhardt you're either gonna know her as Clarissa or you're gonna know her as Sabrina. And I think that's a pretty good indication of like speaker-1: Which generation you're in. Yeah. speaker-2: Yeah. so she was obviously like a child actor, but she also had a company with her mom as like a production studio. And I think they were very focused on like family focused T V movie entertainment. Love it. So like think about like lifetime movies or like holiday movies. I feel like trying to be speaker-1: Okay, that's a fun little family business. speaker-2: Yeah, what a great business to be in. speaker-0: So fun. And imagine like getting to do that with your family. Yeah. speaker-1: Just like speaker-0: Just all day. You're like, yeah, we're just on set vibing with the fam. speaker-2: So Paula Hart, who is Melissa's mom, legend has it that I guess she was just like hanging out on the playground with her kids or whatever, and somebody was like talking her ear off about these Sabrina comics and how it would be like a good movie. And she's like, You like need to look at this, like look into the IP of this, it's a it's a good idea. And so she talked it over with Melissa and it's like, Yeah, this is like a good idea. And they just went out and bought the rights to the comics to Sabrina for a dollar. speaker-1: That's so crazy to me. Like I just can't imagine that. speaker-0: Seeing it become like what it is. What it is for one you spent one dollar. Should speaker-1: Should we be looking into comic IPs and then selling them to Disney and We should it's like crazy. speaker-2: Let me tell you speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-2: first of all I could come up with my own comic. speaker-0: Well that's speaker-1: True. speaker-0: true. That's definitely true. speaker-2: but like I just don't think we can underestimate playground gossip. I think like you're speaker-1: Right. speaker-2: playground gossip can get you very far in life, and this is a great example of this. speaker-1: No, people try to tell you I feel like if you're in the industry like that, people are always probably coming up to her being like, my god, this would be a great idea for a show or a movie and she's probably like in one year out the other, like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the fact that someone was like do this and she was like, Yes. speaker-0: She was like kind of like that. speaker-1: Look into that. speaker-2: Yeah. So like I I was watching this interview and like Melissa kind of said, like, yeah, she's an actor, but like their main focus is on this like brand of them being like producers and making their own stuff. And like we'll get into this later, but like she did star on a lot of things and her mom was like the producer of these shows. And it was just like I feel like a perfect ecosystem. And then as she like aged out of maybe acting. Like she's able to then still be like a

producer or director and whatever. speaker-1: I'm sure it was a very collaborative experience. Like even when she was like the main actress and like whatever her mom was producing, I'm sure she w was probably like, well what if we do this and this and like kind like a collaborative process. speaker-2: Yeah, and I'm sure it's like way healthier than some of the other challenges. speaker-1: Yes, I speaker-0: Just like how good of like a set that would have been to work on too. speaker-2: Yeah. So Paula Hart, she was the executive producer for Sabrina the Teenage Witch, which lasted 163 episodes. So good on her for doing that. That's like not your typical mama journey role here. speaker-0: Yeah, but speaker-1: Mm-hmm. speaker-2: And then I think n like and then she also did Melissa and Joey. And now I think they kind of stay in the realm of like holiday movies, which I do want to give a shout out on the pod to holiday in handcuffs. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-2: it's it's television mastery. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-2: I can't think of a better way to spend Christmas Eve than watching Holiday in Handcuffs. speaker-1: So speaker-2: highly recommend it. speaker-0: What a crazy pick. speaker-2: Listen, what's that guy's name? It's not George Lopez. speaker-1: But it's not George Lopez. Yeah, I don't remember his name. speaker-2: But it's something Lopez. Mario Lopez. Yeah. She speaker-0: It's Lopez. speaker-2: steals, she kidnaps Mario. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-2: She steals Mario Lopez. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-2: I think kind of at gunpoint or like something like that. And then they go to Yeah, then they go to his family's cabin. speaker-1: While he's like Was it blackmail? speaker-2: I don't know the situ I no, I think she was just like at a diner and she was the waitress and she was like, Stick up, you're leaving with me. Wild. All because she didn't want to go to like the family reunion or whatever alone or something. speaker-0: She didn't even go to her family reunion. She went to him. speaker-2: No, I think no wait. I I lied. She goes to h hers. It's her family. She just doesn't want to be the person without a guy. so she just like kidnaps this guy. speaker-0: I see. Okay, that makes way more sense. speaker-2: Then her fian like his fiance is like looking for him the whole time. Meanwhile, they're actually falling in love and by the end they're in love. speaker-0: And he's gotta call it off with the fiance. speaker-1: Called like kidnapper syndrome or something. It's like you fall you fall in love with your capture. speaker-2: It's a very heartwarming thing to watch, to celebrate the birth of baby Jesus. I speaker-1: The Christmas special. The night before Christmas, just getting holiday and haircuffs. Christmas Eve. speaker-2: I'm making I'm gonna get the D V D and we're gonna watch it. speaker-0: Okay, all right, this year. On the agenda. speaker-2: So speaking of movies, when Sabrina first aired, they actually did basically like a TV movie pilot. So the original idea was to do like a full, like basically T made for T V movie. Okay. Okay. It had Ryan Reynolds in it. Ooh, wow. And Melissa Gerhart. speaker-0: I don't know if I ever saw that. speaker-2: I don't think you could watch that. I don't know where that went. That's speaker-0: No tak. speaker-2: getting like rerun or anything. speaker-0: It's gone from existence. speaker-2: Yeah. and they essentially from there they cut scenes of this and then like shared it to ABC and was like, look, this is how you could make this into a sitcom. And so they were like, Yeah, we'll we'll green light you for a sitcom with this as the premise. Cool. So then they got like a new cast, because obviously like Ryan Reynolds wasn't gonna be in it. And I think they changed like the name, like I think originally, like the she like Sabrina Sawyer and now she's like Sabrina Spellman and they like recast the ants and stuff and like kinda made it work for a sitcom a bit better. Yeah. And the rest is history. speaker-0: Wow, that's so fun. speaker-2: But like I was thinking about it and I was like, do you guys remember any like shows that started out as like a movie? Cause I feel like when we were younger, a lot of like movies that released ended up getting like bought by Nickelodeon and becoming TV shows. Like they had like Madagascar and then they had like the Penguins. There's like back at the barnyard and then there was Pen and then speaker-0: Yeah, speaker-2: like I don't know if you guys remember Osmosis Jones, but that was like that too. I don't know. But I can't remember anything that was like this Well actually, Glee aired as like a standalone pilot and then the actual series didn't air till way later because they wanted to catch like the singing audience. So they aired it right after the finale of American Idol. speaker-1: And then like the actual show didn't start till later. speaker-2: But I'm telling you, if you ever watch the pilot of Glee, it's in my opinion like I can't think of a better pilot. speaker-1: I would love to watch a pilot episode of a show and then s watch the next episode and see what changed. Because like the they change a lot of actors and actresses after the pilot and I I just love to know it didn't test well. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: I feel like and maybe I don't know this like necessarily counts, but because Star Wars is such like a big IP in itself. But like they obviously had the original like movies speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: and then they've done like a gajillion like other things with it. But the Marvel speaker-1: University. speaker-0: Yeah, but like they specifically had the Clone Wars show, which is like an animated show that was like supposed to be for kids. It's actually really good. Ten out of ten recommend. But like they did like two I don't know, like three episodes and then released a movie like in theaters that was still part of the arc of those three episodes. And the movie like finished the arc. And

then after that they like continued on with like the show. speaker-2: kinda think the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles might have been like that 'cause they had like movies in the eighties and then they were like and that's also based off of a comic and then they like we're gonna make a T V show out of this speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: I feel like comics are a big world of where you can get into movies and shows. speaker-2: Yeah. That's a good way of putting it. 'Cause like it we're basically talking about Marvel in general. Right. speaker-0: Right, right. It's true. But yeah, I don't know. I feel like there's there are quite a few different things that like kind of started that way, I think. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: And then there's the big IPs, like you said, like Marvel, Star Wars and speaker-2: Madagascar. speaker-0: Right. speaker-1: Yes. The top four. speaker-2: My Shrek sim. That we need we need Shrek, two D animated versions of Shrek. speaker-1: That's a great point. They shouldn't make that intuition. Yeah, speaker-0: They haven't, to be honest. speaker-1: 'cause there's so many things you could touch on in that world. speaker-0: They just keep making the movies, but maybe they should be making a show. speaker-2: I speaker-1: Shut the show. speaker-2: They're doing it wrong. I will head it up. speaker-0: Did they change the animation style cut in this coming track movie? Well speaker-2: Well, yeah, but people are complaining about it and I think it was originally supposed to come out in twenty four and then in twenty five. And then in twenty six and now it's slated for twenty seven. So I think they're like, crap, we gotta we speaker-0: So they're fixing it 'cause I think the one and it looked hideous. speaker-2: I think they're trying to fix it. Okay. I think they're trying to fix it. Well, speaker-0: Yeah, sorry, just had to have that quick little sign. speaker-2: I think it's always appropriate to bring up short. speaker-1: What's that video game that the boys are like, it's still not out that they've been working on for years? That's like what Shrek is giving right now. speaker-0: Is it the the racing one? The car? Yeah, yeah, yeah. GTF R. speaker-1: No no no, it's like yeah. Yeah, they're like GTA five or whatever. It's it's never going out. It's like we get we got this before GTA five. speaker-0: They always say that. speaker-1: Yeah. It's like we got this review for Shrek Five. speaker-0: Tak is nothing. speaker-2: I don't hang out with boys, so maybe that's my problem. anyway, So Sabrina the Teenage Witch aired on ABC and it aired on the ABC T GIF block. So like speaker-1: T T. speaker-2: The T GIF block was essentially like Friday nights. Yeah. You're gonna have like the best shows and you're gonna watch it. That's fine. They would never I know like cable doesn't really exist anymore, but when we were growing up, I feel like they would never slate stuff for Friday nights 'cause people were out. speaker-0: Well, I always think it was Friday. speaker-1: All the Disney Channel all the DCOM original movies were released Friday. speaker-2: But like I don't think people are releasing like like it's not like the office in its popularity or like speaker-1: We was a Thursday night type of thing. speaker-2: Tuesday. speaker-0: Because you want to catch people during the week when they're not busy. speaker-2: So like new episodes of things would never air on Friday. speaker-1: That 'cause like why would that? speaker-0: Fair, that's fair. speaker-2: But like in the nineties they did. So they had shows like Step by Step, which I loved. That one's probably lost on both of you. Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, I didn't see that one. speaker-2: Yeah, that's T. Fool House, which you guys know, Family Matters, and Boy Meets World. So they were all on there. Yeah. I this is one thing I feel like I miss about cable. It's like being able to watch Different shows in one spot and it's all new. Like we would never stream that way today. No. And there's like excitement. speaker-1: I kind of agree. speaker-0: I yeah, I agree. I was recently at somebody's house and they had cable and I was like, my god. This is cable. I haven't had cable in so long. speaker-2: Was it fun? speaker-0: It was so fun. I was just like because you know, like sometimes when you want to like watch something and you just like don't know what you want to watch and you're like pick starting a new show feels like too much. Watching an old show, I've seen it a thousand times and I'm not in the mood to watch it. So it was so fun. I flipped on the little TV guy and I'm flipping through and I'm like look I'm like, okay, I could maybe watch that. Let me let me speaker-1: You only have so many nodes with cable. speaker-0: Right, you only have so many channels and like it was so fun to flip through and be like, you know what? I'm gonna watch this I will watch this. It was s and because like obviously all those channels each now have their own streaming services as well. It was nice to just like see everything in one spot. And I couldn't necessarily pick like, you know, something Uber specific, but like it was really fun and I missed it. I really enjoyed going through the channel because It helped me decide so much faster than just not deciding at all because I had too many choices. speaker-2: That's a classic problem in the gaming household. My mom like rarely gets the remote, but when she does, she's just looking for something containing speaker-1: So long. speaker-2: and like my mom like is like a serial go to bed at eight o'clock person. So like it's like seven o'clock what when she starts looking, and then it's like eight o'clock. And then like she either just doesn't pick and then goes to bed. So she's had like the remote for an hour and hasn't decided. Or she finally picks something, ten minutes, she's asleep. speaker-1: Why? speaker-2: But I don't think she makes it thirty minutes into anything that she does. speaker-1: So you know

what the kids are calling cable TV nowadays? What? Vacation TV. Because they only see it when they're when they're in hotels. Or like hotel TV. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: That's awesome. Yeah. That is the most Gen Z speaker-2: Diabolical. That's j that's not Gen Z, that's like Gen Alpha. speaker-1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jenna. speaker-0: Is diabolical. I totally agree. Crazy. speaker-2: Like shut up. We're watching the World Cup. speaker-0: man. Yeah. Yeah. But I miss cable sometimes. speaker-1: Too. speaker-2: It's not worth the price, huh? speaker-0: No it's not. But also like are all the streaming places where speaker-2: I think she's speaker-0: you can ship speaker-1: At you can pick exactly what you want. Like I'm I'm paying a hundred dollars a month and I can't even pick what show I want for what? For live sports. That's the only reason I have cable. speaker-0: I know. speaker-2: It is getting to the point where like I'm only watching TV for like sports and then like I probably fall asleep to something. Yes. And so it's like really hard because it's like, yeah, I really need to like streamline what I want and then just be done. But to get like what you want for sports, it's like you have to have everything. So Yeah, things speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-2: don't they're like speaker-1: We can't get into it. We can't get into it. speaker-0: Don't get me started. Don't get me started. speaker-2: All right, all right. Well apparently, apparently, so like I said, crazy TV block with ABC's TGIF, but they beefed really hard with CBS because CBS had this like CBS block party, which was supposed to be competing. Okay. speaker-1: Okay. speaker-2: And so I think like Sabrina the Teenage Witch was kind of like a disruptor. so basically, from my understanding, step by step. And family matters were kind of like the anchors. So they were like kind of late night or like in the best like optimal time slot. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And apparently ABC loadballed them on like pay and compensation. So they were like, we're gonna go to the like CBS block party. And that's T. But conveniently, well, when Sabrina came out, it did really, really well. Like, I think I have it somewhere here that it did eighteen million people watched the first episode. So the pilot got eighteen million VMs out. So it became the anchor. Yeah. And like they weren't missing I mean, I'm sure they still missed Family Matters and Step by Step because those are very good. But like Sabrina really like filled kind of a big gap at like the right time. Yeah. speaker-0: Wow. And speaker-1: That's T. speaker-0: for being like speaker-2: Predominantly female cat. speaker-0: A predominantly female cast and a show about a teenage girl in high school. Like I feel like you I would think that that hour generally would be more geared towards like adults specifically. speaker-2: I think at the time it like 'cause if you look at the stuff, step by step is basically like cheaper by the dozen in a sitcom format. Okay. speaker-0: okay. speaker-1: Yeah, so like that audience. Yeah, yeah, that demographic, yeah. speaker-0: That's true. speaker-2: Boy Meets World. So I think it fits that. Yeah. speaker-0: I kinda forgot about like the w yeah, it does fit. You're right. speaker-2: So that being said, even though it started really strong with ABC, it would eventually switch to WB, which is affiliated with CBS down the line. And I think Taylor's gonna touch on this a bit more, so I don't want to go into too much detail, but it pretty much aligns with like ABC got like the four years of her in high school and then the WB got like post high school. speaker-1: So when she yeah. speaker-2: Yeah, so you can read into that with what you will. one of the things that I feel like gets called out a lot in that switch is like when she's in high school, she's also very focused on like getting does she get a license? Does she get like a witch's license? speaker-1: Yeah, you have to she has to take a test. So like she like trains for a year. I don't remember exactly how long she trains for, but she has speaker-2: I mean someone. speaker-1: Yeah, she has to get tested to pass and like yeah, like basically get her like witch's license or something. speaker-0: I kinda thought there was two, but maybe I'm making speaker-2: N there's one where she has to like teach another kid and like that kid like I think she's dependent on making sure that kid speaker-0: I don't remember passage. speaker-1: Yeah. Well I think that's like what the plot is. Like once that's like a plot 'cause like it was like a big deal that like it was all leading up to her taking this test and needing to pass. And then once she passed they needed something new. And so like that something new I think was her like being a mentor for someone else. speaker-2: but I think that's like kind of something I wanted to discuss is like I feel like when she switches outside of high school and into college, they kind of just like stop with the whole magic thing. Like I think there's way less magic involvement with that shift. speaker-1: Yeah. I'm not gonna disagree with you. Like I feel like she's no longer learning it. Like she just has the powers. Right. So it would be yeah, it would be like seeing Alex Russo after she won the Family Wizard competition and just living her life with magic. Like I feel like there's not as much plot to do with the magic. It's basically just her living her regular life and using magic in it. speaker-0: Right, but you'd think they I don't remember the second half of the show as like I said that earlier, but like you'd think they would like show her using it all the time. Because we know that Alex Russo would be using her freaking magic. I mean, like she's twenty four seven. speaker-1: She definitely does, but I also think the T is that like she's choosing to stay in the human world. And so like she's not supposed to really be using magic all that much. Where like she could choose to go live in the

wizard world. speaker-2: I think basically the dynamic was too that A, she was getting older, like as an actress and she wanted to have a more mature plot line. Yeah. And speaker-0: I'm sorry. speaker-2: I also think Friends was really big towards the latter half of when this show was kind of ending or peering off. And I think they were literally trying to make it as similar to Friends as possible because it's like her in college and she just like with a bunch of roommates. And her like boyfriend works at a coffee shop. speaker-1: That's like speaker-2: Towards the tail and she's an intern as like a writer or something. speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah, at a newspaper or something. speaker-2: Yeah, so it's very much but like it's very more like roommate drama and boyfriend drama and way less like wizard drama. speaker-0: Of disappointing because like I'd still want whatever it was to be related to. speaker-1: I think it is. It's just like not as much like yeah, it's disappointing a little bit for sure. But they definitely she's definitely still using her magic all the time. It's just not like the problem she fe she's facing is no longer can I pass this test. It's this I'm having this issue with my roommate and I'm doing this magic thing. speaker-2: the whole point is like they're not supposed to know right about speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-2: and this was a big plot line, like Harvey does find out. So speaker-0: Yeah, I do remember that. 'Cause don't they like have a birthday party or something and like something? speaker-2: He has that's like he loses his memory. She has to like wipe his memory. speaker-1: Yeah, yeah. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, I vaguely remember that. speaker-1: I think something happens and they do it wrong and they think he loses his memory but he doesn't. speaker-0: Whoa. speaker-2: I think the whole soulmate plot comes back because I've read well, like when I was doing research on this, he basically thought he got fired and he wasn't supposed to return, which I think was true. But then from the sh speaker-0: Show. speaker-2: Yeah. But like then I think 'cause like when you're shifting from like ABC to the WE, you're like losing like certain actors and actresses like can't necessarily switch to speaker-0: They're a certain network. speaker-2: Yeah, because of contracts and stuff like that. So I think he was just thought he was cut, but I think from like popular demand, people were like, She needs to end up with Harvey. So I think they really created this plot line of like your soulmates and they had like the sea like the looking glass that was like you need to go and find her. speaker-0: Might have to l watch the rest of the show. speaker-1: You said we could. speaker-2: I would highly recommend it, but I've said that like ten times today about different shows. So speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah it speaker-1: The list is getting longer. Yes. but yeah, Becca kind of just talked about this, but basically there was like that huge shift between

when it was like A B C and then switched to WB. But part of the reason the shift happened was because like they had budget cuts. So like that also could have played into like why Harvey kind of got cut there, like drawing that switch. It's like, well, we can't afford to pay him anymore, budget cut. But yeah. Some so that was like a big part of like why it switched. and then Becca also kind of already touched on this, but it was obviously a very, very popular show and eighteen million people watched the pilot episode. speaker-0: Still really crazy for like a cable T V premiere. Yeah. speaker-2: That's insane to me. speaker-1: That well, I would just keep going back to we talked about it in a different episode. well, it's always shocking to me, but then like the proud family had like four point eight million viewers or whatever for the movie. But I guess that is a little bit different because it's specifically geared towards children. Right. But like that's a big difference. speaker-2: Mm-hmm. Yeah. speaker-1: I don't know. Okay. speaker-2: You heard it here first. Eighteen million is a big difference between four million. speaker-1: Which is like a little bit shocking. It's a little bit shocking that difference. speaker-2: Talking to you all. speaker-1: Shocking to me. But anyway. They also released two movies. speaker-2: Okay, pause. When I researched this, I was shocked. speaker-1: I didn't know about the movies. I did not know about the movies. So I'm guessing you haven't seen them because I kind of want to see them now. speaker-2: I was looking at them and I was like, this is giving Mary Kate and Ashley energy. I'm like really is. speaker-1: my god, that's funny. Well the two movies are called Sabrina Goes to Rome. That's speaker-2: She goes to Rome. speaker-1: what crazy. And Sabrina Down Under. speaker-2: What's H T O It's like giving HTO. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: It's giving Australia, I'm assuming. speaker-0: There's speaker-2: Yes. speaker-1: Wow. I knew speaker-0: You'd watch that one. speaker-1: Well, they were pretty popular too, even though we didn't know about them because they had thirteen million viewers. speaker-0: In total? speaker-2: Yeah, no, I think like each. But I think it was still with A B C at the time. I feel like the them or speaker-0: Are these lost movies too? Under a witch meeting a mermaid? Are you kidding? Two of my favorite things speaker-2: It's a merman and it's like a love interest storyline. speaker-0: Mermia kinda ruins it. speaker-1: Well Sabrina Goes to Rome is also giving Lizzie. speaker-2: Yeah, it's like also that. It's it's also she there's a man in a love interest. Of course. speaker-0: Why? speaker-1: and win in Rome. speaker-2: That's what I'm saying. When are we gonna roll? speaker-0: You wanna go to Rome and find a love interest in Italy? Find the speaker-1: Man. speaker-0: goal and live the like why does everybody go to Rome? speaker-1: I don't know. yeah, but eventually the production costs were getting way too expensive for ABC and they did not want to renew the season past season four or s renewed the show past season four, sorry. which I mean I guess, but it's a it's an iconic show. It was getting a little bit out of hand though at the height of it, with like the all-star cast and all the special effects they needed for the magic scenes. like one episode would cost them around one and a half million dollars. That's just a little bit pricey for one episode. speaker-2: Okay, but like okay, they're doing eight like thirteen million viewers per episode and it's like how expensive of is it to produce friends? Because aren't they on like one million dollar contracts at the same time? speaker-0: that's true. speaker-2: So is that really that crazy? I'm sorry. speaker-1: Well, yeah, I don't know. speaker-2: I don't I'd be interested to know how many can you look up how many people were watching on average, how many viewers on average friends was getting? 'Cause this this would have been around the same time. Yeah. So I'm very curious to know. speaker-1: Yeah, let's let's compare. speaker-2: 'Cause each of them was getting one million per episode, at a minimum. speaker-1: In the later seasons. I'm assuming. speaker-2: But I mean, we're in two thousand at this point with 'cause speaker-1: That's true. speaker-2: this came out in ninety six. speaker-0: So during its peak, Friends averaged roughly twenty to thirty million weekly viewers per episode, frequently pulling and average about twenty five million regular viewers across its heavy hitting seasons, with the massive series finale drawing fifty two point five million people. speaker-2: Okay, so if they're doing twenty million and and then we are doing over half of that, but their budget is at least at five million and this is one point five, I think it's very reasonable to do at one point five. 'Cause we're getting at least speaker-1: Eighteen speaker-2: well, thirteen million unique. speaker-1: For the sh movies. The show was gonna eighteen for the pilot. I don't know what it was averaging though. I don't know what it was averaging. Yeah, like what eighteen million for the pilot and then thirteen million for the movies. speaker-2: It's probably like around thirteen million, 'cause I think thirteen million is like probably like in the middle of like like kind of like season four esque realm, so not when it starts to really tail off. speaker-0: Okay. So during its peak on ABC's TGIF lineup, they average roughly twelve to fourteen million viewers per episode, with its series premiere drawing over seventeen, so like the eighteen, and top rated individual episodes pulling in around fifteen million. So like twelve to yeah, two to thirteen. speaker-2: One point five million is that bad. If Friends is doing like let's say thirty to let's say twenty five million and we know that their budget is like at a minimum five million. Yeah. speaker-1: I don't know, that's interesting. But when they

switched to WB speaker-2: It's because A B C is owned by Disney and what do we know? speaker-1: Disney is stingy. speaker-2: They're don't trust the mouse. speaker-0: We wear a goofy movie Disney Disney sweatshirt. speaker-2: Trust well that's because speaker-0: Dog speaker-1: Okay. speaker-2: That's that dog! speaker-0: Yeah, but the mouse goes. speaker-1: Okay, when it sw got switched to WB, they gave them a strict budget and they had to stay at around six hundred and seventy five thousand per episode. speaker-2: Listen, the they f the production quality at six hundred seventy five blows H2O's five hundred thousand out the water. Like we I was saying H2O looked horrible and it did. And like comparatively, this happened earlier, so it should be worse quality. And it's like a hundred K more. speaker-0: Okay, but the H two O underwater scenes are really sick. speaker-2: The underwater scenes were the best thing ever. speaker-0: Not Pretty cool. speaker-1: It's true. It's true. Yeah, I kind of touched on this kind of already, but like with the budget cuts, a lot of the h like the all-star characters kind of got moved to more of like a a recurring character type thing instead of season regulars like Harvey kind of being written off and then brought back and then, you know, those kind of things to save money. speaker-2: And that was problematic for me. speaker-1: Yeah. Well, yeah, his hair It was speaker-0: Didn't you? speaker-1: probably still early too early then. I don't know though. speaker-0: You never know. speaker-1: yeah, but as the show kind of started to mature with Sabrina into her college years and stuff, it also took a dip in the viewership. And at A B C the show was hitting like ten million plus per episode, and then it dropped to like two to four million viewers. By season seven. Yeah, speaker-0: Badgek. speaker-1: it was the budget cuts. It was like the plot plot line switch up. It was just like Yeah, people were just not into it anymore. speaker-2: I also think they started really leaning into Sabrina's relationship to Salem. I was like, I think pe I think it's like better to just lean into a relationship to a person. speaker-1: I agree. It yeah, I completely agree. speaker-2: Like that was happening. Like she was just like having one on one conversations with speaker-0: But you like falling in love with the cat? speaker-2: The only person basically on set because because she was like supposedly like college years, like the ants were removed. speaker-0: And the ants like really make the show like so funny and it's like speaker-2: Right. So Salem is essentially the only thing that knows she's a witch. So like anything that's going on with magic is her in Salem and it's like this dynamic. And it's just like it falls flat because it's not a person. Right. speaker-0: Right, right, right. And you do like, I think the ants bring a lot to the show, to be honest. speaker-2: I do love how that woman was like dating Mr. Kraft. speaker-1: That

was such a weird and she like hated him in the beginning and then he just like basically wore her down and then was like he was like okay. yeah. speaker-0: Yeah. You probably lose a lot by not having the ants. 'Cause like the ants like are just like I feel speaker-1: They were a great part of the show. They like had their own side plot in a lot of the episodes. speaker-0: And I feel like you lose maybe some of the like witchy magic pots simply because you don't have them doing whatever it is they're doing. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-2: Yeah. I like when she like makes a boyfriend out of doe. speaker-0: Yeah, that's funny. speaker-2: That was me tonight making my pizza. speaker-0: We ate your boyfriend? speaker-1: We we ate him. He was good. speaker-0: He was good. speaker-1: okay. Anyway, back to the show. we kind of touched on this already, but Sabrina did end up like running away with Harvey because they were soulmates. Yeah. There speaker-0: So much for that. speaker-1: was like so many. Yeah, I know. speaker-0: For the human and witch. speaker-1: I do want us to talk about this, but about her ending up with Harvey. But I feel like they really threw a wrench in it because she had so many love interests, like between like the middle seasons, like season five, six, and seven. She had like three different love interests and it was like wild. speaker-0: I don't remember any of those. speaker-1: So kind of like Gilmore Girls, if you will, stick with me. Starts off in high school and then it goes to college and just kinda trails off. But She had the three major interests just like Rory did. So there was Harvey for the first four seasons. Everyone loves Harvey. sorry. Harvey. speaker-2: It's Dean but like makes way more sense. speaker-1: Yes, but good. But we like him. speaker-2: Yeah, but yeah, yeah. It's Dean but not not not Dean. Conceptually. speaker-0: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Conceptually dean, okay, but but speaker-1: We have Josh in season five and six. And then we just have this like random guy Aaron in season seven, which I think she's like ends up getting engaged engaged to Aaron. And it's just like, No, we want Harvey. speaker-2: Yeah. I I think there's a couple things to talk about here. One is like I think the fin the finale, because I I I feel like it's controversial how it ended. Like people are like happy that she ends up with Harvey, but like the way it went down is like weird. speaker-1: Well, it it felt rushed. It was like I want her to find her way back to Harvey naturally and like I don't know, it just felt like it felt way too rushed to me. It was like last minute decision, like, no, I'm leaving this guy and ending up with Harvey and then the show's over. speaker-2: I think y yes, it felt rushed in that way, but I think Aaron the the engagement to Aaron is not earned. Yeah. And I think it all kind of falls to pieces there because I don't think anybody is believing that they're getting married. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-2: So then there's no payout because she leaves Aaron at the altar and Harvey shows up outside on a motorcycle and then she rides away on his like Harley in her wedding dress with him. The speaker-0: my god. speaker-2: phenomenon ride away together and that's it. That's how speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: It just feels like not like a good end. speaker-2: 'Cause it reminds me a lot of the How I Met Your Mother ending speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-2: where it's like, I'm just gonna spoil. speaker-0: Yeah, it's fine. I'm never gonna watch it. It made me too mad. speaker-2: So like in How I Met Your Mother, Robin ends up like marrying Barney. Yeah. But the entire last season kinda leads into this. So it's very similar to Sabrina the Teenage Witch because Erin comes in in the last season and he's like like a band manager and her roommates in college are like trying to do the whole band thing. We'll speaker-0: Everybody's trying to do a ban on speaker-2: say, The one actress in that like show, she was popular. She was like on like her own version of Clarissa Explains It All. I forget what it was called. Howdy duty, maybe, something like that. and I think they tried to get her on the show to like bring in more viewers. I think that's kind of why also like some of the characters shifted because they were trying to bring in people from like the network that had popular shows and just like combined them all together. Yeah. And it like just didn't pay out. speaker-1: Interesting. speaker-2: but anyway, I think like she was in a band and Aaron was like quote unquote the manager of the band. And the I think the whole thing is that she didn't tell Josh or Aaron that she was a witch. And the whole thing is I I don't know if you lose your powers, but something bad happens if the person that you tell, the mortal that you tell, like your witch, if they tell anyone else, then something bad happens. So the only person that she's s told is Harvey. So to me, it's like that's basically like saying, I love you. Like for the So like speaker-0: Because you're putting your speaker-1: That's like a huge trust trust then, yeah. Yeah. speaker-0: in him. speaker-2: To me it's just like it was always Harvey. Yeah. Yeah. And it doesn't work. speaker-1: No, it was so clearly Harvey, like from the beginning. Should have always been Harvey. The other guys and that's like a classic plot line in a show is for the main character to break up with the their love interest, date someone else, and then end up back with their love interest, but there wasn't enough of her back with Harvey for me. Like it was like it should have been in the beginning or it but should have been like yeah. It should have happened way sooner. It can't be the ending of the show that she ends up back with Harvey. speaker-2: Josh though. speaker-1: I agree. Josh was the only one I could like get behind and believe a little bit. Aaron was just like I feel like that actor was famous and they wanted to force him into the show.

speaker-2: I also think Aaron just seemed older than speaker-1: Yes. So much older. speaker-2: her. Yeah. And I didn't like it. Kid, speaker-1: Did not like Aaron Ever. speaker-2: it like didn't I and I think maybe that's about speaker-1: They didn't vibe. speaker-2: No, I feel like as an adult I'd be like, This is normal but as a kid I don't think it like computed as normal because he came off way older than she speaker-1: I just think they generally don't have a good chemistry on the set. Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, I don't remember anybody but Harvey. speaker-1: Yeah, so can't comment. I did like speaker-2: Josh but it felt like I don't know like Josh didn't seem to have like a real job. Was he not just like working speaker-1: The coffee burst the guy. speaker-0: See like her Jess, like if is that like Sabrina's equivalent to like Jess from speaker-2: I don't say so 'cause he's not like this bad boy that's getting into mischief. It's just like he's he's just like there. but I don't really think he has speaker-1: I think he was the perfect middle love interest. I should have I think they should have nixed Aaron. I think it should have been Harvey, pr her and Harvey break up, she jates Josh, and then her and Josh don't work out and she goes back to Harvey. speaker-2: Mm yeah, that's correct. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Makes sense. Yeah. speaker-1: But do you guys want to hear what the the cast is up to today? Yeah. Before we finish it up? speaker-0: Yeah, let's hear it. speaker-1: Okay, well, Melissa Joan Hart, who is obviously Sabrina, she is currently like still acting, directing television shows like younger Sheldon. speaker-2: Younger shel young sheld. speaker-1: Yep, sorry. Yep. Don't know why I added an er. speaker-2: She was just gonna say younger. She was just gonna say speaker-1: I was thinking younger. but yeah, she directs episodes like Young Sheldon and then stars in the holiday movies, which Becca kind of mentioned earlier. It's true. Holiday in handcuffs. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: And then Caroline Ray. speaker-2: I don't know. It's definitely like Ray. speaker-1: Caroline Rhee, Caroline Ray. We don't know. But she plays Hilda. Spellman. And she speaker-2: What she baza, though. speaker-1: Somebody said when I said Hilda, I was like, wait, is that actually her name? I had like a brain fart for a second. But yeah, she also she plays Hilda Spellman. and she currently does like stand-up comedy, she acts in some TV shows, she hosts projects, and then which shocked me because I love the show and I didn't know it, but she's also the mom from Vineyas and Furb. She voices the mom. I know. speaker-2: I don't know how you didn't know. speaker-1: I don't know how I didn't know that either. I always knew that I knew her voice, but I didn't know what from. speaker-0: Do you know how we just talked about in the Proud Family episode? How I n you know, there's like bunch of famous people in the episodes and I would have never known. This is like the same thing to me. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Is the equivalent to like having guest stars that I didn't know. speaker-2: You know that Candace is Sharpe or Danny. speaker-0: I know that one okay. speaker-1: We know that one. speaker-0: That one I knew. speaker-1: And then Beth Broderick, who plays Zelda Spellman. Who do you like Beth? Hilda. speaker-2: Hilder's all the I'm curious. Really? speaker-0: thought that Hilda like Loki didn't like Sabrina 'cause she's like speaker-1: Just the crazy aunt. She's like just the crazy one that's like all for roll. She's pass speaker-0: Z always more motherly speaker-1: it together. They're just completely different. speaker-2: I thought she like was a science teacher. speaker-1: Yeah, I mean she's I really like both of them, I have to say. speaker-2: I didn't like what they the one guy the one who who yeah, I didn't like that Hilda was like had this weird relationship with Penteller as the like the wizard in council guy. speaker-0: the judge guy. Yeah. They were like on and off. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-2: I didn't like that. speaker-0: Yeah, she deserved better than him. speaker-1: yeah, for sure. That's like her whole thing throughout speaker-2: Bad taste in men, I think. speaker-1: the show. speaker-0: Like her shtick is b having bad taste in it. speaker-1: Yeah. But anyway, Zelda. Yeah. She's she works in film and TV and occasionally joins the cast get togethers. speaker-2: What is Cash? Are we airing the cat? speaker-1: I know. It's like I need this content. I need this content. speaker-2: Where is it? speaker-0: They're probably just hanging out as besties. speaker-1: Yeah, probably, which is cool. but then Nick Baket. He's the voice of Salem. He is a writer, producer, and voice actor. Yeah. Makes sense. speaker-2: Love that for him. Like all on the same, like they're just like producing all the these like shows through this company that they speaker-1: They are all like a close knit crew. speaker-0: Like a family affair. Yeah. In in the best way. speaker-1: right, and then finally Nate Rikert, who is Harvey Kinkel. shifted. speaker-0: Rossly From Sabr the chilling Sabrina Hart speaker-1: That's not my RB. That's not my RB. That's not my R B That's not my RB. That's not my RB. All right. But he actually shifted more towards music and not acting, but he will occasionally do an on screen. speaker-2: I think he's been on like podcasts and something, like how how does it feel being Harvey? Like speaker-1: That makes sense. I also well yeah, we said he's bald now and that's sad to me. speaker-2: And that's how we're gonna end the show. he's bold now and that's sad to me. And you can follow us where Jordan speaker-0: At zelennial dot meats dot world on all socials so that's speaker-1: Or good morning, I don't know.