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Natarsha Belling is a journalist and newsreader with just about one of the most infectious laughs you’ll ever see on television.

Ever since preschool Natarsha knew she wanted to be a journalist and worked her butt off to make sure she got into the career she was so passionate about. She started out as a reporter for Prime Television in Orange and also worked for the ABC.

When she joined Ten News she was originally hired as a medical reporter, a job she loved. And over 20 years later Natarsha is still working at Ten. Proof that hard work and a killer attitude pays off.

In this episode Natarsha Belling talks about her surprising love of DIY (she’s always covered in paint), why knowing what you want to do from a young age can be stressful, the importance of working for free if you really want to do something and the sexual harassment she’s seen over the years and why it’s important to call people out on their shitty behaviour.


About the host...

My name is Rachel Corbett and I've spent almost two decades working in media professionally, creating and hosting radio shows and podcasts for Australia’s largest media organisations. I’m also a regular on Channel 10’s The Project and have worked as a TV host and panelist on shows including Q&A, The Roast, The Today Show, Studio 10, Hughesy We Have A Problem and Have You Been Paying Attention.

I'm currently Head of Podcasts at Mamamia and I host a number of other shows including Lady Startup, Before The Bump, Paul & Rach, PodSchool and Sealed Section.

I also founded the online podcasting course, Podschool.com.au, to help budding podcasters create a kick-arse show.

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00:00:00and now ladies and check it out you've got to start somewhere deployed because that takes you behind the scenes of show business to prove there is no such thing as an overnight success with your host Rachel called welcome to the show today I am setting rada and lover
00:00:17of beginning the drive way you have done all the proper such rights every time when we were doing Sunday project together that we would come in at about eleven OO will meet day you would have always been painting the fence good meaning the dry what you're very D.
00:00:35I. Y. type person eighties bizarre ha I don't know who I am because I certainly wasn't like these even five years ago I what was the first thing that got you into the all day I why painting our mind you know I'd kind of fan so my husband
00:00:49go all my gosh you should have stopped there but you've continued right along there on Sunday very very therapeutic it's like gardening I compilation who I am today my weird because saying you because you look in snazzy always on the telly I just mean like I just can't
00:01:07imagine you in you done to raise or whatever out the back yeah I don't know if it's in that with the good any you lost the pull my Cup same or call them you know reconstruction experts with the cement truck coming in with Mike out they are constantly
00:01:20getting paint out of my head yet and those I started while keeping painting but I find it really it is bizarre incredibly relaxing this is an amazing laying out a bit we start off the interview with a little bit of did you know how I know I know
00:01:35what I you have now been twenties at channel ten right when he's this ya started when I was five I've use that line to that's not our main fate in this business because trying to stick it out and I come from a background of radio where you live
00:01:53lucky the last twenty minutes with twenty years at the same network do so to get our **** it's seriously eat walls start off to unity on I had my other two jobs pretty quickly start off to union Baptist I was very very lucky to have a wonderful wonderful
00:02:11office boss paid around drone who was the member for Collette in our engine company South Wales he was a school teacher in English teacher first and foremost in that he became a news producer to Jono and they moved out to our engine country New South Wales in the
00:02:25central west so he was my first boss added lots of free work experience at prime TV in orange driving up from Baptist at some ungodly hour every morning and did that for free full heme work lots and lots and lots of work experience he said look we've got
00:02:38a position coming up want to sign you up and then after about eighteen months sienet orange iconos to apply for dropping down one of the I. B. say went up there for eighteen months and then I came back to ten so it's been twenty years back he sighed
00:02:53is is this what you always wanted to do concerning the solder I probably really from primary school I wanted to be a journalist I never wanted to be on television I just wanted to be a newspaper journalist I loved riding and my parents which now as a parent
00:03:10of two boys and my youngest particular ladies exactly like may always asks why and questions everything on now get it is apparent how and knowing that qualities in a charm but it was the foundation to be a great journalist I think and still to this day I do
00:03:25get ask anyone that works with me I get incredibly fired up about stories and nothing drives me more not sitting justice well so what was it when you with that at that age where you was it something that you saw on telly or was it why did you
00:03:39get that in your barn so what did you just like riding and because I like writing when I was a kid but I want to be a novelist I didn't think of journalism I was just like I like to write stories it will look odd certainly create a
00:03:49CD from man's will support I thought loves creative writing and mama's kept all of my creative stories in middle exercise books and I loved that bot I love telling people stories and I love meeting people from all walks of life and I think that's one of the greatest
00:04:09on as an actor east to made incredibly inspirational people and I'm really passionate about telling great stories as well as delivering the news that we need to deliver which often is not such good news bot I seriously see it as well on every day even today on studio
00:04:24ten you are saying he street unfold before your very eyes that he's an incredible privilege is it a real comfort to know what you want to do it that age and then just work step by step daughter and I'm very very stressful because I needed to get very
00:04:39very high marks in my eye to say to get into the course in Pakistan I think you know looking back now that was probably even more stressful because that's all I wanted to go to Mitchell about this it was the best journalism course in the country at that
00:04:51stage and so I know that I needed to get boys I knew you wanted to get those schools and if I didn't I didn't know what else I was going to do anything yeah you drame saw exit exam gone are but Aidid which was great sorry yeah I
00:05:06see it truly seriously today as an absolute privilege who will you will you union with anybody that you're working with now Andrew crook who used to was at channel ten is a job and I when I first started here at ten he now works in public relations on
00:05:21he went to Mitchell male Doyle went to Mitchell DeBoer not went to Mitchell Michael the Mitchell in mafia lots of %HESITATION the lovely Amanda Killa Andrew Denson another great friend of mine who is now a producer in the states feel going in he was in my year at
00:05:36unique hearing Gilbert who is a political reporter in Canberra for sky news Jim Callan sports John either only my desire right bunch of papal it's a good I guess the people listening to this I think I want to get into journalism it's still a great step to get
00:05:52a man the course is still saying very highly absolutely but I would also say yes the degree is very important and you also get to meet wonderful people have a great social and work experience ease my number one tape because that's how you get in the door and
00:06:08making contacts on you nobody in the industry when I started and also it gives you a good inside I have known a couple of people that have wanted to follow a specific career path and then done work experience and thought actually you know what this is not the
00:06:23world from a because will life is sometimes not but it's like a textbook so when did you get your first work experience gig we still in school when you were getting work experience among G. god again country we suffer while Winamac as he ran Christy just eight was
00:06:39poor actually I was probably in about you nine and so and then I went to the Natalie valley independent in Canada so you doing this in school holiday that's on our I'd love this I love it when like kids I'm driven I want to do this and it's
00:06:56not no I'm gonna get a pool parties or holidays are really no I want to do that and with your friends doing that or was it just you my nickname at school was extra credit sorry I was and this is what frustrates me is a mom now of
00:07:11two boys and I told them but they have a much better life work balance than I if indeed %HESITATION then not very diligent they highly into sport and they naturally talent said by the academically and dot with sports and they buy the very lucky I've my nickname was
00:07:24extra credit so I would do extra assignments for history I get a hundred and fifty out of a hundred and then I burn all the edges of my assignments to give them the like historical all I love doing that yeah and then I like that my parents house
00:07:38one morning but %HESITATION nine yeah I used to get up at five o'clock every morning and study but what you didn't actually burn you nearly like had dropped the paper on the copy in a very very good anyway it was all for the love of journalism so what
00:07:52were those early work experience gigs like were you actually thrown into doing stuff for you just getting coffees and making no look I was really lucky and that's the aba the other great thing but sad elements of what's happened to journalism in the country is the fact that
00:08:08a lot of those regional areas have been downsized all closed and that's where you got your extraordinary hands on experience often omit Chinese room old work experience kids did sit there on my coffee bar in the country or is Michael she was running the day pain are into
00:08:24my first show but prime save a we would seriously we had two out Arnett radio bulletin at five o'clock in the morning and I said to pay to a case so and so who will will I be working with someone tonight it's just you so you had to
00:08:38rights five stories and present the knees almost half an hour and on the hour right throughout the morning and then you go on the ride is a television journalist and I remember jumping in there I almost didn't make the six thirty news and I was reading the stories
00:08:54he said look I think you're a bit breathy and you know you might be say I'm sure I don't know I not even my what I was doing we all have that done we impose drives absolutely yeah we kind of anyway but those regional jobs are just so
00:09:09good for that kind of experience we get to do a little bit of everything because once you get to a stage where you're doing a show like studio ten all you're doing the news on channel ten are you doing this those be good jobs all of that accumulated
00:09:22experience of understanding what it means to be able to put those radio bulletins that you know what you start to get a sense of what everybody does absolutely and have respect very everybody's role in understand what goes on rather than just sitting there going well it's my time
00:09:37to shine having a look that's the first thing I'd say especially with the changing way of the media now is the fact if you want to be famous or you like seeing yourself on television TV news is not for you yes or no and I think that's more
00:09:50reflective now than ever because the TV news bulletins all studio ten all the project as you very well know is not heavily scripted on one of its ad libbing and if you don't know you stuff you'll %HESITATION interest on national television which is never right click but also
00:10:06the regional newsrooms work right from banks running the day page you didn't have a choice and if you did make mistakes we all make mistakes you didn't own in our prime say they made the mistake on prime TV an orange or the Namoi valley independent in time with
00:10:20you didn't humiliate yourself on national television also gave you a great work ethic yeah well you and when you took those work experience gigs when you were in there was what your thoughts confirmed like you thought yes this is a hundred percent where I native bay where I
00:10:34won today yes but I did have one experience where I Mason awfully main person who treated people terribly and I remember going home and crying and thinking I can't do these things people to Maine and then I had my wonderful parents guide me and say you know what
00:10:50we'll face these people all the time and now we know them as police yet on the best way to approach them is to stand up to them but that may be even more time and I had a good cry I think everyone needs a good crime aw come
00:11:01to the state to Maine it's too tough and then thought no you know what this is what I wanted to say and %HESITATION dot with the bully when it's a bit of an eye opener because it is a strange just like journalism but also media at more generally
00:11:13radio television there is a little weed stuff but it's and when you're a kid coming in quite young and you a sort of wide eyed and think All I Want is to be everything and you think things are going to work a certain way and then you make
00:11:29people like that and you like this is what life is supposed to be it's a really harsh and quick lesson to learn but I think because I've had similar moments in my career Benny teas at times and you know you sort of get in the situations where you
00:11:43go this is just wrong not rot but now after all those he is a sort of built up a scheme that I think is very important in this business because you need to be strong I agree with you one hundred percent you need to be super strong bought
00:11:59a lesson that I've alliance and also my parents taught me these there are some battles that you need to let go and there are others that you need to actually stand up and fight I think that comes with wisdom it's a lot of circumstances looking back over my
00:12:14many years but he always decide which I would have treated very very very differently but also I think you get to a point in your life like in you know not just professionally but on so many different on that I guess facets of your life that the white
00:12:30people behave the small river from a reflection of them and you can choose to react the way that you want to react I think I agree with you I think you have to be tough but once you lose on the first to put my hand up on highly
00:12:43emotional highly emotional bot I think that's also an incredibly important skilled to maintain in this job because I think sometimes your skin can be to think and you lose empathy and that's something that I never gave up want to lease I also think it's important that you when
00:13:05you get to a point where you are closer to moving up the ladder that you don't repeat the behavior that was done two years awful because some people you mate and they've just gone well I got treated like **** so I'm going to treat them like **** down
00:13:19but to actually on and I think that's where working a lot of different areas having a lot of experience really helps you because you have complete respect for those around you and I understand that it takes a lot of people to put any useful since the other it
00:13:34takes a lot of Hazelwood Leisha together and you need to all work as a tame where sometimes I've worked with people in the past week go all this is like it's not all about you got to back it up you may not people that you referred to I've
00:13:55also learned that some of those interesting characters you may see this style sometimes shine brightly and then Ben right on out exactly yes exactly and I'd rather have a slow quiet all Boone just like at the creamy middle than any kind of stratospheric thought sometimes come in my
00:14:13god she can take a long time can you hurry up and let them listen now I get it I get at you know working for free is a really interesting thing how long did you work for free for do you think my goodness longtime all all I would
00:14:27say one shoot %HESITATION literally hours that I worked through high school through unity all my goodness they would be weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks of free work I think sometimes now with a sense of we don't to be exploited but actually if you are willing to
00:14:43work for free and you feel like you're getting something which is experience and it's in an industry that you want to ban often they aren't paying jobs and really when you're starting out young and it's amazing how often just being in the room or being somebody who other
00:15:00people have seen as a go get at and at a job comes I sing and it's just like your close you'll do works but sometimes that takes a lot of time and I've no I've worked with some people I met some people up and take teaching a bit
00:15:12in radio and stuff and the expectation is I want the good paying gig now is like but a lot of people that are doing the shots that you want to do now the number of times I get emails me how do I get on the project site work
00:15:25for twenty years what fifteen twenty years and then you get on the project I don't know where the because then I've met you know some people say it's a generational thing I've met some wonderful young people have an excellent work ethic I think sometimes it can be family
00:15:41influence yeah I can be lessons might be led to time there is this a you know a reflection of instant gratification on something that drives me not sees when often we've had people that have come through the newsroom all I don't work weekends or not ships because it
00:15:54affects my social life awoke to television working weekends up but but also I think that's that's also reflective of sometimes they actually don't have passion for and I think sometimes that still does shine through you can say on TV whatever job at my bay if you've got passion
00:16:13for journalism all passion for whatever career you followed it shines through you can see it within five seconds when did did did you have a specific goal of way you wanted to get to in terms of journalism was there a specific paper or specific CD or something that
00:16:27you wanted to do what you just were happy to go with the jobs took here I always wanted to be a newspaper journalist I didn't really want to follow television and then when I got to unit we did broadcast journalism which is obviously television radio and I remember
00:16:39for the first time you know going through old VHS tapes and there is nothing like seeing and historical obtained or news events unfold on television you know newspapers a fabulous I think the written word ease a beautiful Croft but he chose an unfolding pages of live events ease
00:16:59extraordinary and to be part of that I just really wanted to be part of it so then I thought television but I didn't ever want to be a news writer and he's present I just want to be a TV general and then when I was at the IV
00:17:09seen die when the opportunity popped up when the news radio was seek the lovely Bryce Richard she now works as seen in in Atlanta she was in use right up there I was twenty one and one of these produces came up to me about I think we're on
00:17:22air at I. B. scene down at seven and came up to me about quarter past six and said look rise was really really sick she got a terrible migraine also will you telling me I'm cutting my story you know and it gets way and he said we need
00:17:34you to read the news I said to you John King what are you serious and he said we do we haven't got any other option the back companies rated was on holiday season you up fifteen minutes in my Cup so I was waiting to make up my makeup
00:17:48don and didn't even have time to think about it and in hindsight that was the best way because I would faint absolute crying mess and I was shaking so profusely that had to do a tight shot for the couldn't say my arms shaking them we had to do
00:18:03I'm back and they had a stray television news which was a news service run by the IDC that went into a shop that had like seven hundred farm pronunciations including low bong bong you know to which is someone filming you're throwing me in the deep end but I
00:18:19did kind of bomb a drowned the legal but then I kind of from swim along so after that with ice did you can did you get brought back to the general stuff would yeah and then I said and then I think that a lot army news rating and
00:18:32then lovely rose we would state that can help me look through all my tapes and say you need to do the so you need to do that and then I became back up newsreader and dom went and then that's when I got the job done here at ten
00:18:44so did day did ten see you or know about you asked you to marry yes what was that coli look I the IBC one I actually thought it was my friend Jamie up I usually made of mine and I said yes all I know you've seen the stuff
00:18:58I know I'm amazing on I sorry what's your name again and I'm going to say the first time I can I John Smith yeah yeah yeah John what number should like I'm really busy right now and he said Hey look just letting you know our where applying for
00:19:13the journal and I yeah yeah John look I'm heading out on the weekend I'll get back to you that was the day when the jobs advertised in the newspaper this so I got up at five o'clock in the morning to go down to the local newsagents and there
00:19:25was John Smith's name applications and I go my man should teach me up using non went on my goodness I have Joss but I got the job site they probably built one gosh this goes into a lot of fun I need to be cool sometimes he said has
00:19:44a hard for award winning so then for the job in at channel ten did they find with I looking for years it was a job going for %HESITATION and use rate and report us one time here is a reporter in Maine started doing medical reporter yeah I'm Bridgette
00:20:01love really what was because when you go for reporting job like that is it you just so that you don't necessarily a specialist you can just going to area any area what did you specialize in that will sometimes I also due to a medical degree at UT no
00:20:16I'm kidding professor actually sorry what no I also when you come into our newsroom many years ago it that would have great round see where crime journalist or a political reporter they still have these rounds you would old saw two other was a medical round which was fabulous
00:20:36so the position time out for the medical reporter I said yeah I'd love to do it I love to medical stories I'm I'm a real nerd with medical stories because they affect everyone yeah so if we want a storeroom you know prostate cancer and I were the stories
00:20:51that we always receive the most phone calls about the people you know they don't have Twitter all I would call up and say hi so that storeroom prostate cancer role that new drug dementia can I find out more about it so it you know and that was also
00:21:04when you ethics were constantly called into question because she had to be very careful about doing a publicity kick for the spam ascetical companies are that you know the drugs like right medications fantastic it can change and save lives but you had to also be very mindful of
00:21:21warning your view is about the side effects because every drug has side effects so where did you move off to doing the medical reporting did you do general reporting all what it started as a general John R. and then moved into medical reporting and then I was doing
00:21:34backup presenting at the same time and it became a full time person doesn't happen any more the idea that you would specialize in a certain air is it just everybody does everything no it does in all look I think specialists rounds fantastic binding there also we used to
00:21:49have a wonderful police Jenna Harry potter who unfortunately passed away a few days ago I still miss Harry he was such an excellent general and he was the police report row police Jenna and he used to break some incredible stories so that was the day when you would
00:22:04tell your contacts and I miss those days terribly well I wonder because the jobs a kind of shrinking a bit beyond the year of actually having people who are specialists another there are some that still exists but that idea of it being something that you were you cultivating
00:22:17contacts and you're going to put us and yes it seems like people have to be more of a sort of all rounder because they're out the resources to say okay your just going to focus on this area he'd sort of be the type of person I would imagine
00:22:30now that just has to go wherever the the stories outlook they certainly still in our newsroom we still have a state political reporter and I think you know looked CBS taking over this a massive as we know it one of the based organizations in the world for concentration
00:22:43of news sites injection into knees is fabulous %HESITATION phenomenally aspect the rest of the country what was it like moving to the big smoke going from dial one twenty years ago it was like a big country town all that traffic no I loved it I loved you know
00:22:59it did that in the back of your mind he's a derailment was certainly during a dream to work at a met Troy station did I ever think I would get there absolutely not what what's the I love talking to news rate is about developing the news radio voice
00:23:13because I've told this story before but I'd for five seconds of my career it was a news writer on triple and when I basically got warehoused on a contract and I had no way to squeeze me said they would like to operate because you Ginny's rating for the
00:23:24girl to hang out so I had to do that and I was so bad I was so bad every time I was a I was sorry bad every time I read a news bulletin the boss would come in and go walked is this voice you're putting on and
00:23:42I was a hundred percent positive that I was being natural and normal but I just guess I couldn't help but the really formal or something I don't know what I was doing it to I think a lot of us put on the news for it to happen will
00:23:54think you're pretty good you know everybody that I've worked with news like you are yes of course is going to be a natural difference to it between chat and news but you don't seem like you're doing newsradio Tosh you should hear how I speak to my son's I
00:24:10can only imagine now details after the I did you find that that was something that you just didn't quite naturally I used to take myself white too seriously did you not think so I think because I always thought I always sore is an incredible privilege in my job
00:24:32and I think that was a turning point where I needed to stop taking life so seriously a probably put too much pressure on myself as well and that that's really liberating I think there was a change you may want to have children because the mate on the first
00:24:47my head up and say that I was a perfectionist and perfectionism does not work when you have children and they I love the fact that some that can cause complacent asa incredible chaos in your life and that you do have those days where you think you know what
00:25:03this is not going to be good to especially when their babies and you can not everything cannot be perfect and being a mom completely changed my perspective on life it changed my perspective on what I cared about in my working environment and for me I think one of
00:25:19the secrets to surviving in this game is perspective and that for made taking off you you know what if I make a mistake we all make mistakes stopping sight tough on yourself and to have you know I love having a good life and I think that change in
00:25:35perspective for me was incredibly important have you had any big moments where you stuffed up online today I had any major goal which I look I think old somewhere it's funny because what I love about watching I'm saying is in watching on the news presences Orava use rate
00:25:53is is I'm lapsing human element in Palo yes totally don't you think absolutely absolutely it's the best because it's like a bad breaks that will affect all all you're just like me yes correct one and we all make mistakes yes a lot of us having pastas syndrome you
00:26:09know but this I think pay a lot of people don't appreciate how much can go wrong when you are writing the news and so you know your order to you guys down you got something in your re is something which you telling me that what was it you
00:26:20that we'll yourself off the set of what we talk about I had one my gosh what do I stop right there so many great stories look someone said to me and I know you mentioned this the other day what do you think makes a great news rate or
00:26:31a you know a great present up many many years ago the old school knees right as a lot was locked and so you know if the six o'clock news all the full thirty you know all the fun of cookies everything was locked in not one word was changed
00:26:45on that or a key for probably half an hour forty five minutes they were not alive crosses all of those pieces so of course that person is going to be a perfect performance now often you know you have to add leave these mistakes in the order Q. because
00:27:00everyone's trying to get everything together people working frantically behind the scenes so to made the golden taste of how good someone eighties is when everything is crashing behind the scenes and falling apart and it's your job to remain calm and look like you're this beautiful swan lake huddling
00:27:17on a lovely like sci fi made that's the tapes yes so many %HESITATION once I was reading the morning news and we what was between eleven and twelve I think and we had an order Q. operator and I looked over and at the way the old old a
00:27:35cue dropped out also come my gosh what's happened what's happened and I looked over the order Q. operated wasn't there in the was a work experience student running we ought to carry on a foot on my quickness is something happened to that person what's happened they've passed out
00:27:47they've gone to the toilet they've been you know something's happened or not let's just call this person %HESITATION Basie he had to catch the eleven fifty nine boss black town desire she decided to lay the old I queue to get her boss right and get the work experience
00:28:08person to run the owner king Sir what did you have known a keto what a queue so what did you do that it is one of my scripts this is something I've watched I think I've got remember from we were working together something went wrong with us and
00:28:19I know when I'm Chris bath is doing that news rating on the project's yet this happened the whole system went down rates and watching a news rada go off this group because I was like how do you even know where you are on that piece of paper like
00:28:32what are you going to tour is forgetting my scripts models hot site you know sometimes you bet as anyone noise that works with me I love a good rent control comfortable enough hours sorry you know that's why sometimes I might from across all the stories of something does
00:28:46happen I can add lived through it well that's something a lot of people think about newsreaders isn't I think is a bit of a misconception is like are you going to make up and then you sit there and you rate what you've never seen before and then you
00:28:56lay even that see it but your very involved in what you do common sense you work hard and now then I think well I'm certainly working harder than I ever have look it even on studio ten you cannot get on to that shot through all the news I
00:29:12don't even think you can rate the news often with authority or empathy or know that she could across you know the bottom the joy situation we might during that news bulletin as happened today we had to cross into binary choice with a live press conference you have to
00:29:24listen to that then the producible sign you re okay we need to fill for two minutes on aged ad lib and have the response and re cap what he's just said that never happened years ago is all you have to be completely in a sling on no ties
00:29:36but I also love that what a joy to not just be straight knees rada to also bring your journalism credentials coming with analysis alright capping a lot but well that's the thing because sometimes I guess it can maybe feel like your just flexing one muscle is also doing
00:29:52the news rating and that's it but on shows like studio ten there is that but there's also you you do you have to be on your toes and you also have to have enough background knowledge to be able to provide an analysis and interpretation of the story that
00:30:06because nothing happens in a vacuum and pretty much every story that it we talk about a media has happened before and is a posse street and if you're not across that if you're just sort of coming to that those details for the first time you gonna bring a
00:30:19whole lot of nothing to the conversation yeah and that's why also I think you probably find this to ease social media res brilliant the brilliant results can all I market from a breaking news perspective from the with the Bani choice situation with the press conference where he just
00:30:36absolutely launched a grenade at the prime minister today that's great to see all the reaction on riding when you live on a I can't well bill shortens just said this you know you can get the response from the nationals so that is an excellent results and then if
00:30:52you had to go across to somebody else you would be able to say you know it is like for example the crossing to bill showed me about us I would want to be joyous at I. basing in day he's just said that the prime minister was an apt
00:31:02what's your response to that you know the may live interviews and live on folding uses the best thing that you can experience a you will consume all the time when you have to holidays you like I don't want to write a story I don't wanna be in the
00:31:15news I wanna hear about anything because it can get exhausting eight is exhausting I I find it very very hot switch off from box and this is what we're talking before about changing what places if I'm on holidays on the phone believe I might be old school but
00:31:32I firmly believe any job you have you need to unplug yes because you come back you'll find more refreshed and you know from from a management point of view which it's fabulous I can I have the option to one plug in to be able to just relax and
00:31:47engaging be present which I think is incredibly important for everyone you know if if you can't do that in your work place will you management some isn't doing so well I know other people in other jobs that you know it's this constant twenty four seven them even if
00:32:01they're on holidays that's not good for anyone totally I'm you know what I love most about you well like a lot of things about you but nobody gets the adorable giggles like once you're off your I know I when I get a lot lot of people don't lock
00:32:19like my laughing hi fi at all I think it's a big you all got a lot of the because it's just I don't know when you're you know when you're doing this stuff on telly I just feel that there is a lot of people that are trying to
00:32:32hold it together as best as they possibly can and this look there's a level of professionalism to that and it's not like you're not professional when you get the giggles but what happens right and I think those moments where you see people that see people on telly and
00:32:46go that's like what I do those moments are really important and I don't feel like enough people feel comfortable having those moments there's all the boys that sense of I go up go to zip it up but he has to get the ball box and I'm just I
00:32:59mean because the number of times that I've just pulled my face off on the project after carries good news signal something or you know each and how wonderful is that I know I I've read say it's so it every time we just get to she's behind the desk
00:33:12on there on a Thursday but yes I am just on the blob constantly give I just think those moments are important because while we hold ourselves together for ninety percent of the time it's really nice to say somebody that gets the giggles because I find something genuinely funny
00:33:27and I think you don't ever want to lose that he wants because often and on our mentioned before I'm you know the good news stories like right but my hot after becoming a mom I really really struggled to write any stories on a that involve children do you
00:33:43think it does it feel a bit like you're in a straight jacket when you're doing those stories if you have an emotional reaction to the manual raiding the news kind of feel a bit like you're in a straight jacket is it hard to not because you're just supposed
00:33:54to be delivering the faxes still supposed to be empathy there and a warmth to your delivery but you cannot really editorialize you cannot really bring in your opinion to that necessarily you cannot measure light studio ten but if you're going straight news rate is that tough to kind
00:34:08of I've I've bomb and I'll start getting upset now they some stories that I will cry in straight away and then use that icon even because you can say straight away like even car accident stories I still get really affected by that where I just think you know
00:34:21you way rating you know four people have been killed but that he's a family's life that has been ripped apart for ever and I think we need to be really mindful of that in the media that Daddy's a family that's changed for ever and it's not just a
00:34:33statistic I guess that's why it's really nice to be able to do those shows like studio ten way you can have like those moments where even if you read a story or you can you can have a break down one day and talk about it because that's exactly
00:34:47what people come to that phone call for those emotional moments in the genuine conversations about things that they see alright in the news what's what's been your highlights so far is there any particular highlight that you feel like you've had in your curry is being look all I
00:35:02would say being part of history and I know I've mentioned it before %HESITATION when you say history unfold before your very eyes you know I even think I don't actually look back and say all wow that was my top five list these you know I five elements I
00:35:15think as a medical reporter I look back and think I met these extraordinary historians who every day I would often be the city children's hospital in would be talking to these incredible scientists and specialists and doctors that inside this little child's life through this ground breaking research or
00:35:32treatment the the paper but I want to see on the front page of the paper every day their incredible stories they wonderful role models not Kim Kardashian diet get me started on that and I think that's wonderful that even the she twenty I time we saw you know
00:35:46professor Simmons she was a strong to beat what a great role model and I think that we need to have more sensational stories like vats leading out news bulletins and on the front pages about Piper and feeling out social media fades than the likes of Kim Kardashian I
00:36:01guess it's a bit of a frustrating thing when you've worked in the business for a Lotta years is that there has been a real shift in what Newt what newsies look a failed they has but all I can see a shift back I think I think people are
00:36:16the audiences final savvy I think we have a responsibility in that you know I'm very very passionate about this apparent war on journalism we need to be really worried when the governments and power brokers are trying to silence the media that's when we really need to be worried
00:36:32because it's our role in the media to keep government some power brokers in check and I can tell you right now corruptions rife and it finds me up like nothing it's interesting how the pendulum always swings in everything in life which I know you guys so far one
00:36:47way that people get so Jack of it that it eventually stops to recognize the other way correct and I think we also have a role in the media to put out days I speak a lot at schools and I try and as much as possible to put out
00:37:01that message about gripe great role models because the other interesting role models that I get fired up about it's the superficial look at may look at may at Matt as what's on the outside rather than what's on the inside and as you very well know by the most
00:37:14beautiful people you'll you'll make a single life and those with a Kantakouzenos since all the buzz words of wisdom now either it's a hundred no and you know I think we need and on our son very idealistic you but if we had more kindness and consideration of others
00:37:29in our worlds Thailand much better place I also think in not just in media but generally this idea that you can be famous just for a little classical or just for the fact that you relive in you know you happen to be in a certain family or rex
00:37:44you put a lot of Instagram photos on it cultivates the side dear of I don't wanna work con to get money I don't want to do something really AZ and so there is that sense that it's a lot easier to do that stuff than you know and nobody
00:37:58wants to work anymore psych eventually you hope it comes back the other way where people start to realize all that's hollow when it's a house of cards it's gonna fall down absolute elation and you look at the most you know if you want to say the most materialistic
00:38:11Lee wealthy people in the world can sometimes be the most unhappy and miserable they don't have what really counts and that's engaging meaningful relationships and love and kindness of others what do you think is the best and the worst thing about this industry cool the best thing is
00:38:29and I will say the set ten and I've had the pleasure of working here for twenties eighties the papal appeal he a fabulous were the first to put our hands up saying that we often don't have the extraordinary results is that some of the other networks may have
00:38:43but we have an extraordinary team of people that work incredibly hard to deliver great content and products for abuse that's to made the best or one that's very hard to say what they think the other thing is I do love telling stories and I love telling great stories
00:39:02that you know will give you about something gosh what a Wonderful World we live in and I also love saying %HESITATION not so nice people getting nailed by the generous where you feel that the end of the day yes we've received a little bit adjusted yeah and so
00:39:18I was talking to Michael Ascher on this broadcast about those conversations like you know when he chases somebody around the world that needs to be hunted down like runs up to the ministry not also yeah and I'm like that would terrify may I would because I'm so into
00:39:31like all but what if I'm encroaching on your personal space in it and he's like honestly there is no better feeling than when you are a walking up to somebody who you know is just to chop her Nate's yes done yet and you're like I'm going to be
00:39:42the person is going to ask you a really uncomfortable question and septic every news how you feel like it's great what about the worst thing about the industry the worst thing ease the instability I would definitely say in the ever changing Wonderful World pulled of media arts the
00:39:57instability bought someone gave me some wise advice was my grandmother do you know the serenity prayer okay so it's I'm paraphrasing but it's basically concentrate on the things in life that you can change and don't worry about the things that you can't change and give me the wisdom
00:40:15to know the difference so there is a lot of instability in this industry and it continues some days to get worse than others you have to realize you know what I caught worry about what I can't control I going to do my best job to the best of
00:40:28my ability and don't worry about the rest the chips fall where they may exactly at all right final five questions ha this entry you're too young to even know what some of us all come on now Glen ridge all I know tiny Bob come on now I got
00:40:46one down under that was bloody price is right a leveled against sars I'll arrive final five questions first your biggest regret sign these I mean you don't have to give one that's going to get you in trouble but not cooling out people when they would a on content
00:41:05and I regret not calling them out sometimes its flow of power in the moment thing though don't you wreck absolutely and that he's something that I've learned is that I think do you know what I'll say this first and foremost blocks man Agha rice had it yeah you
00:41:20know what your behind is out of control you're not a nice person I need to call you out on this especially Billy some but sometimes women I think we let god and then it just fosters a long and calling out for awards and that kind of goes along
00:41:35that same not receive but don't you feel like you can't really do that until you feel a cadre of in my place at the table and sometimes it takes a really long time to feel confident in your own ability in your own experience and to feel like yeah
00:41:49I can tell you this because I I know I deserve a place he absolutely and I think as you get older you do have that wisdom as I said early on you didn't see it through different eyes were at the moment you coordinates and then you said I
00:42:03kite this is actually more reflective of what's happening in your life yeah it's the the only thing that I used to be really good at a room from a young age was calling out sexual harasses a mockery of men had you experienced a lot of hate you'll can
00:42:19I loved it I know I didn't love the harassment I love cool down at that yes so what happened and what did you say %HESITATION I I've had like old school grabbing my **** in the fight a copy is CA yet and I blew up to locks at
00:42:34the feel free going styles that did that to may and just absolutely tore him to shreds so that's the only thing I've always felt quite powerful about since I was young because I've always felt an incredible sense of injustice in those moments yeah but never powerlessness never have
00:42:51I felt weak in those moments because when that has happened to me I've always felt well this is a surefire indication that you are dumber than me because if you think this behavior is so high then you are an idiot Google news and so I did that's the
00:43:05only thing I've always felt powerful about saying but everything I mean there's been a lot of other stuff bully and whatever else that when I was younger I just you just put up and shut up in you and you crawl and the cop aka the engineering job that
00:43:18stuff this just something I don't know it just always boiled up an immediate Raijin made that just made made role and I've seen some Rawtenstall ranch and and with the thing that used to really get to may was when people used to pry on individuals who like because
00:43:38in went in radio particularly because I was a ways for want of a better breakfast talent which sounds really lanky but that's what you are right you're the only attaining breakfast you you kind of you not level with the buses in any way but you'll you have a
00:43:51voice in the office but then the people in like the promotions department the young girls that would be doing that promotional vehicles and would just really one day be warning at spot on a you know the why is that the men used to trade them was realigned bell
00:44:07a viable and it just there a couple of times where I had to call out stuff you know stuff that I saw what I would then call it out but it really yes some of that stuff I just I mean you just cannot is never an excuse for
00:44:22that kind of godly but it's the same as police on all of the circumstance with made this particular person targeted made when I had a child while not in management but a fellow employee and what made me even sick to my stomach was I targeted may because they
00:44:38knew I was at my most vulnerable because it had a new baby it's pretty unbelievable this is a person that was out there saying all that support new models own count but you also get to the point where that is actually as I said before it's really liberating
00:44:52when you get to that point where you think it says more about what your experience is more about you just said just then that they will you know incredibly steep an odd to do that and I think I think it's really interesting though that sometimes those really nasty
00:45:06bullies or prejudice pick their victims a hundred percent accidentally and more able absolutely they can see exactly who they can get away with it and that's and I I'm really interested to say particularly now with all of this may two stuff which is just unbelievable when you think
00:45:23in six months how often you know how the world can change I wonder how things are going to guy moving forward I think it is a turning points but once the dust settles I hope we see concrete change Larry's a quality across the board and main and power
00:45:42brokers have to be part of the conversation absolutely and it cannot be yeah you we can't forget too that there are a lot of good blokes you know because there are a lot of amazing man who you know when I came back from attending leave I had the
00:45:55most incredibly supportive wonderful boss yeah I've had many fantastic male colleagues that have been incredibly supportive and wonderful around wonderful I'm in a house through three fantastic blocks of husband and two sons but you know what to say that they by con have an opinion or to shut
00:46:12them down yes I think he's some dangerous only really got lost in bloody question one of the final five was a question one would say that was that was one was not no we just did the biggest regret brought the whole time not time for an editorial I
00:46:32know I got the break all right number two you dream gig I'm pretty happy role yet so I like it when that see and so I'm pretty happy there are things that I wanted to say but I'm not going to reveal it I can say alright we I
00:46:45love a good sacred well obviously in the business of ID is adamant do you have a big idea that you have yet to get off the ground is there like do you wanna make a film is there we want to run the TV series is this if you
00:46:57just want to get anything down sounds and cold once someone does not interest nine nine nine nine yeah I am somebody under the sounds bizarre I'm somebody that never stops whining and I think I don't like getting style I like %HESITATION learning different things and I would never
00:47:16saying no to an opportunity that comes my way get the phone ringing %HESITATION if you weren't doing this as a working in media what would you be doing I couldn't think of doing anything else I know that sounds incredibly Besana I'd suits actually are here we go handy
00:47:33woman of course any call the watch you should bait they again use a on like the block because of the Joel and I need to yeah they need to build a radio show bombings anyway I wish I'd she's in that company story the best of my life was
00:47:51when I knew that it's all six seasons during the wake three I am finally your advice to people wanting to get into the business all my goodness first and foremost be passionate work hard and be combines because the people you make on the way out but the same
00:48:11people you made on the way down absolutely I'm alright you've just worked a full studio ten shift and now sat down with Mavis I think it's time that you get to get a higher a couple of meetings now you know how much I love meeting we love that
00:48:25we all have the Vanity Fair got good catering on however care is on thank you so much for joining all right to such a place I think you're listening to you got to start somewhere thanks to subscribe to the point because the chicken on the reserves and keep
00:48:38up to date and to you've got to start somewhere don't call thanks so much for listening to my cat would touch billing look at you get thank thank you if you have left a review in nineteen for the show to if you haven't already or you haven't shared
00:48:52it with your friends and family or tell them about it please grab a phone and download the app nothing like forcefully encouragement Hey next week I'm gonna be chatting to Canadian design aficionado and one half of the comedy do American Raso team Russert Ross any chats about the
00:49:10first time that he met Merrick what's when he was performing in his comedy band black rose when we first met with at the espy backside stand up nine and you know I think he was the first person I met that I did not I would sign the band
00:49:24two units in a couple of times and I think Hey that's what why would we became friends because he appealed to my a cut they get very very good comedians so you'd never see you hadn't seen him those for some time and he was brilliant ani's die there
00:49:40if there isn't any better in this country when he's on full flight none of them can touch it I'll see you next week for that chat on you've got to start somewhere

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