Full Transcript for 131: Potassium For Hypertension: Can Potassium Lower Blood Pressure?

potassium come from? 00:04:57.519 --> 00:04:59.519 So we kind of alluded to it first. 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:01.920 The first place is food. 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:08.480 So the foundation of what's called the Dash diet, and we do have a whole episode about that if you were interested in looking into it. 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:13.600 The dietary approaches to stop hypertension is an eating pattern. 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:25.920 The original Dash study, people who switched to a diet rich in fruits and vegetables and low-fat dairy, which is naturally loaded with potassium, by the way, saw their blood pressure fall. 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:31.680 And in people with hypertension, the top number dropped by about 11 points. 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:37.680 That's literally around the range of what blood pressure medication can do just from food. 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:40.399 So what does that look like on your plate? 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:58.879 So potassium is high in foods, like, of course, bananas get a lot of the headlines, but it's an oranges, orange juice, potatoes, sweet potatoes, tomatoes, tomato sauce, beans and lentils, spinach and leafy greens, avocado, yogurt, and fish like salmon. 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:03.680 And these things that we just I just mentioned aren't exotic or expensive. 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:06.800 They can be everyday groceries for people. 00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:13.839 And there's multiple reasons why we think that food is the preferred source, not just an acceptable one. 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:26.000 When potassium comes packaged inside fruits and vegetables, you are also getting excellent nutrients that benefit your heart, like fiber or magnesium and other things among that. 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:36.399 So you're also very unlikely to overshoot on potassium from ordinary eating if your kidneys are healthy, because healthy kidneys are excellent at getting rid of the extra. 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:41.600 So food gives you the benefit with a built-in safety margin, if you will. 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:53.600 The target most guidelines, point two, for potassium in a healthy adult for a day is 3,500 to 5,000 milligrams of potassium. 00:06:53.839 --> 00:07:00.000 And again, only one in 50 of us is probably hitting that, with most of us falling short. 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:05.199 So, in essence, what we're asking you to do here is we don't want you to count milligrams. 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:17.279 What we want you to do is something similar and simpler, is aim to make fruits and vegetables the biggest part of your plate of most meals on most days, stuff that we preach most of the time. 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:21.600 And you can take a look at Harvard's healthy eating plate. 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:35.759 That reiterates it, but I think that this element is more helpful because instead of us just saying you should eat more fruits and vegetables, now there's a really sound scientific explanation behind why that's important. 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:42.959 So again, this isn't there's a first strong safety flag that we want to put out here. 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:47.120 Eat all the potassium you want is not true for everyone. 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:51.040 If you have kidney disease, this food first advice can flip. 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:58.480 And we're going to talk about that a lot, but we just want to make sure that we put that frequently throughout the episode that some people have to be careful. 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:00.800 Okay, so we talked about food. 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:03.839 Can you tell us what a salt substitute might be? 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:11.279 So this one generated the most excitement recently and was an interesting thing to think about. 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:13.920 And there's a study we're going to walk through in this section. 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:18.160 We are going to talk about potassium-enriched salt substitutes. 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:31.680 So here's the idea: a regular salt substitute that takes ordinary table salt, which is usually 100% sodium chloride, and replaces about a quarter of it with potassium chloride. 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:38.000 So a typical product is around 75% sodium and 25% potassium. 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:45.840 It looks like salt, it pours like salt, and for most people, it tastes close enough that they don't notice much of a difference. 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:54.320 But every time you use it, you're doing two helpful things at once: putting in a little less sodium and adding some potassium. 00:08:54.559 --> 00:09:00.000 So it's a two-for-one swap, and you don't have to learn a whole new way of cooking. 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:03.360 And the cool part is that this isn't just a theory. 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:07.919 This technique has actually been tested with real heart and stroke outcomes. 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:12.960 The biggest study is called the Salt Substitute and Stroke Study. 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:16.720 It was published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 2021. 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:23.279 Researchers followed about 21,000 adults in rural China for nearly five years. 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:28.399 Most had high blood pressure, and many had already had a stroke. 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:31.519 So this was a higher risk group in general. 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:38.720 Half the villages used the potassium-enriched salt substitute, half used regular salt. 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:41.200 The results were really cool to explore. 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:58.480 The group using the salt substitute had about a 14% fewer strokes, about 13% fewer major cardiovascular events, like heart attacks, and remarkably, about 12% fewer deaths from any cause. 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:06.879 To be clear about what that means, swapping the salt in the kitchen was linked to people living a bit longer. 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:15.519 A later study then focused on people who'd already had a stroke and found the same kind of benefit

for preventing a second one. 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:27.600 There was a second trial in elder care facilities that backed this up, lower blood pressure and fewer cardiovascular events, and it even included some people with kidney disease and diabetes. 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:40.559 And because of results like these, the 2025 American Heart Association Guideline now formally lists potassium-enriched salt substitutes as an option for lowering blood pressure. 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:49.120 It's especially useful for people who do a lot of their own cooking and salt their own food, because that's where the swap is actually happening. 00:10:49.440 --> 00:11:00.720 In truth, if most of your sodium comes from processed and restaurant food, a substitute in your salt shaker probably helps less for you, but cutting back on those packaged foods may matter more. 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:09.840 But at this point, we're going to talk about the biggest warning signs for the whole episodes and who this might not be reasonable for. 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:12.799 So now we're going to talk about some safety concerns. 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:20.639 Everything we've said up to this point comes with one crucial condition that your body has to be able to handle the extra potassium. 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:23.120 And for most healthy adults, it can. 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:26.159 The kidneys simply flush out what you don't need. 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:30.720 But for some people, potassium can build up in the blood to a dangerous level. 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:34.559 That condition is called hyperkalemia, and it's very serious. 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:40.000 Very high potassium can disturb your heart's rhythm and in the worst cases can stop the heart. 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:44.320 And here's the scary part it's often causes no symptoms at all until it's very severe. 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:46.480 You can't feel it coming. 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:53.200 So let's talk about who's at risk, and we'll have to ask you to listen closely to this important part of the show. 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:56.080 First, anyone with kidney disease. 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:58.879 Your kidneys are what remove extra potassium. 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:02.559 If they're not working at full strength, potassium can accumulate. 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:14.159 And for many people with reduced kidney function, loading up on potassium, whether from a salt substitute, a supplement, or even a very high potassium diet, can be genuinely dangerous. 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:20.799 If you have kidney disease, potassium is something to manage carefully with your clinician, not something to add on your own. 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:26.240 In fact, salt substitutes are generally not advised if you have chronic kidney disease. 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:32.000 Second, certain blood pressure and heart medications raise potassium on their own. 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:45.840 This includes a very common group of medications that we've talked about on the show called ACE inhibitors, drugs ending in PRILL, like lacinopril, and arbs or ARBs, drugs ending in sartan, like losartan. 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:53.600 It also includes a group of potassium-sparing diuretics called spironolactone and its cousin medications. 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:59.679 These medications are excellent and widely used, but they hold potassium in the body by design. 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:07.440 If you then add potassium as a supplement or a salt substitute on top of that, you can push your levels too high. 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:16.559 In fact, combining potassium supplements with a potassium-sparing diuretic like spironolactone can be an outright dangerous combination. 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:21.279 And third, there are some other situations that raise the risk as well. 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:33.120 Some people with diabetes, certain hormonal conditions, and regular use of anti-inflammatory painkillers like ibuprofen or neproxin can also increase potassium in the body. 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:36.720 And so we want to give you the rule to take away. 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:56.879 If you have any kidney problem, or you take blood pressure medication or heart medication, especially a PRIL or a sartan or spironolactone, a pllerinone, what have you, don't start a salt substitute or a potassium supplement without talking to your doctor, nurse, or physician's associate first. 00:13:57.519 --> 00:13:58.879 Your provider. 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:00.960 I hate stop. 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:02.159 Don't do it. 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:04.000 This is a safe space for me. 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:09.039 It's a simple conversation, often with a simple simple blood test to check your potassium and kidney function. 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:13.039 It makes a difference between a smart move and a risky one. 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:15.679 And one more for absolutely everyone. 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:17.200 Read the labels. 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:25.360 Many low sodium or light or heart-healthy salts and seasonings are in fact potassium-based. 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:33.360 So if you're in one of those at-risk groups, those products count as well, even if the front of the package makes them sound harmless. 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:38.799 So then we're going to explore a little bit about supplement pills. 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:42.480 And that's the third source: potassium pills and supplements. 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:43.919 Here's the honest picture. 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:52.639 Prescription potassium is a real medicine that doctors use for specific reasons, usually when a medication or medical condition has made someone's potassium too low. 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:56.240 In that setting, it's carefully dosed and monitored with blood tests. 00:14:56.480 --> 00:15:01.200 But taking potassium pills on your own from the drugstore just to lower your blood pressure? 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:04.080 It's not a recommended approach for the general

public. 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:05.360 And here's why. 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:13.200 Food and salt substitutes give you potassium in modest, spread-out amounts that your body handles gracefully. 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:17.360 A concentrated pill can deliver a bigger, faster load. 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:24.000 And in someone with hidden kidney issues or the wrong medication, that's exactly the recipe for a dangerous potassium buildup. 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:30.480 Over-the-counter potassium pills are also deliberately kept at a low dose for this exact reason. 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:33.679 So the practical order of preference here is clear. 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:43.360 Food first, a salt substitute second, if that's right for you, and you've cleared it with your clinician, and pills only when a doctor prescribes them and monitors them. 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:49.679 If you think you need a supplement, that's a conversation with your doctor, not a solo trip down the vitamin aisle. 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:53.279 And all together, we're gonna bring this to we're gonna bring this home. 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:58.320 Potassium is the quiet partner in blood pressure control, and we're learning more about that as the years go on. 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:01.919 For years, we've focused on taking sodium out. 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:10.159 And the newer understanding is that potentially adding potassium back in through the right channels is a powerful second lever. 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:17.039 If you have healthy kidneys and you're not on medications we talked about, here's the everyday version of today's episode. 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:22.159 Build your meals around fruits, vegetables, beans, and other whole foods. 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:23.759 That's your foundation. 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:30.879 Keep working on your sodium and consider asking your clinician whether a potassium-enriched salt substitute makes sense for you. 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:34.559 For many people, it's a small swap with a real payoff. 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:39.360 And in the biggest study, it was linked to fewer strokes and longer life. 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:51.919 But if you have kidney disease, or you take a prill or a sartan or a water pill like spironal actone, or you're just not sure, then today's action item is to not change anything just yet. 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:54.159 It's to bring this up at your next visit. 00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:55.759 Ask two questions. 00:16:56.080 --> 00:16:57.919 Is more potassium safe for me? 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:01.279 And should we check my potassium level and my kidneys first? 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:06.160 These two questions keep you on the safe side of a very good idea. 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:09.680 Small changes made safely tend to add up. 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:14.880 So talk to your doctor, know your numbers, and let the food do a lot of the heavy lifting. 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:20.880 So we don't have as much time today as we normally do to record an episode. 00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:30.960 Um, but I really felt like this was a really cool thing that I'm gonna probably toss in more to my practice. 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:37.200 Um, when I came home and I was telling you about this, were you surprised or did you already know that this was a thing? 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:39.039 I didn't already know this was a thing. 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:39.680 You did not. 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:40.799 Yeah. 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:48.960 I like heard whispers of it and then like the nerdy podcast I listened to to learn more had mentioned it, but I hadn't like really gotten into the numbers. 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:56.480 And I think it's an interesting thing when like the Dash diet says that we need like 1,500 milligrams of sodium in a day. 00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:12.799 The American Heart Association says that like on average 2,300 milligrams a day is the amount of sodium people need, but that this is like we need 3,500 to 5,000 milligrams of sodium of potassium a day, which like far outweighs it. 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:23.279 And I think people always get a little nervous around potassium, but like when people are doing blood tests, like a lot of times, so fundamentally, like potassium is stored inside the cell. 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:33.599 And if you're getting blood work, that blood work is going to sit in the tube and then it's going to get sent off to like the national lab person, like whatever company the person's using to run the test. 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:41.920 And if a couple of those cells just like break in the process, they are releasing all of the potassium inside the cell to now be outside. 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:45.680 And a lot of times that's why we like get lab readings of high potassium. 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:46.400 Yeah. 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:53.039 But we have so much potassium in our bodies, and I mean, hypertension is so common. 00:18:53.119 --> 00:19:00.559 It's also a slippery thing to try to diagnose because, like, I mean, whose blood pressure isn't elevated in the doctor's office, to be completely honest. 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:03.279 Some of the measure at home, we really have to make sure. 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:04.960 And starting the medicine is a big deal. 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:07.920 We've talked about this on the show, and it's like a big commitment. 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:14.400 So it's nice to have some science and evidence to back up that like fruits and vegetables are so good for you. 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:23.440 And it's not just like uh, you should eat your fruits and vegetables and like do what you're told, but like there's like good reason behind it, as long as it makes sense for you. 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:31.039 Um, do you think that we will no, we already kind of eat we try to incorporate a lot of vegetables. 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:35.920 You and as food and beverage director, incorporate a lot of vegetables in our diet already. 00:19:39.599 -->

00:19:40.559 Yeah, I do. 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:43.440 Beans, tomatoes. 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:46.960 Sweet potatoes occasionally. 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:49.119 Occasionally, more regular potates. 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:50.640 More regular potates though. 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:51.119 Yeah. 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:58.000 Any big takeaways or did you learn anything yourself in this that you thought was interesting? 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:02.640 Or from us talking in the last couple days about it. 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:10.079 Well, when we were talking about it earlier, I didn't know they made like potassium salt, I don't think. 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:13.440 That you can just like buy in the store. 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:14.480 It's in the store. 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:15.759 If you weren't looking for it. 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:16.000 Yeah. 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:18.880 Like we're not sponsored, but like Morton's has a brand. 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:22.160 That's like the I think very common salt brand. 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:24.240 And like they have one. 00:20:24.799 --> 00:20:25.839 It's right there. 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:29.039 That's crazy. 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:30.960 It's out there. 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:35.519 I do think I've heard it tastes a little different, and maybe we'll have to like experiment on the sh like a little bit. 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:38.160 I'll throw some in in the next grocery order. 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:39.119 Yeah. 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:40.799 I think that'll be cool. 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:44.720 Um, any thoughts before a quick banterizing section? 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:45.759 Okay. 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:50.880 Do you have any thoughts about banterizing that you would like to share with the group? 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:59.680 Um observations in society that you found funny? 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:00.960 Were there? 00:21:01.519 --> 00:21:02.559 Did we have any? 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:06.559 Or clown neighbor. 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:10.960 She calls Ollie by his government name. 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:12.799 She does. 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:14.240 And I don't love that. 00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:20.880 Also, how did she deduce that his name was Oliver from Ollie? 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:22.799 His name could just be Ollie. 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:23.920 Could be Oliver. 00:21:24.480 --> 00:21:25.279 Could be Oliver. 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:31.839 We like were walking Ollie one night, the other night, and she was across the street. 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:34.000 Like down the street and across the street. 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:36.160 And she's like, Oh, there's Oliver. 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:37.519 We love you. 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:38.799 Like, oh my god. 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:39.599 You're so hair. 00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:43.279 I turned to Eddie and I'm like, oh my god, she calls him by his government name. 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:45.119 Yeah. 00:21:46.880 --> 00:21:49.200 The people love talking when you talk about her. 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:55.759 That might be one of the most like that and your story about the lady who called Ollie Old. 00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:59.759 Um is one story that I get the most. 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:01.279 Most feedback about. 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:04.640 Bunch of interesting characters around here. 00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:06.240 Is that okay to say? 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:07.039 That's better. 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:08.559 Yeah, it's a little bit better. 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:12.799 I don't know. 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:16.160 We had a pretty standard week. 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:18.480 It was a pretty standard week. 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:20.480 There's a Nor'easter this weekend. 00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:23.039 Yeah, there's lots of water everywhere. 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:30.000 Of course, there's a lot of water at like our beloved town, uh shore town that we love to go to, and that's sad. 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:35.039 And people are stealing my news report theme as a few. 00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:35.759 Oh my god. 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:39.680 No one people are allowed to do it, but then maybe it's an inspiration and this is my legacy. 00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:51.920 But I was making funny videos that were like me reporting news, and I started to post it on the community page, and like it was received with lukewarm enthusiasm and some dissentment. 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:54.960 Um and then this other guy does it now. 00:22:55.039 --> 00:23:10.160 Like the background was and setting was way more engaging because like everyone's thinking about the flooding, but he got so much more love, and I think it's because they can relate to him, and also the setting of the story was like very topical at the time. 00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:12.400 Your news reports were topical. 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:14.319 I'd like to think so. 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:16.960 I'd really like to think so. 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:22.079 Um, but for some reason they didn't give him a hard time, and they were just like, Oh my god, you're so great, you're so great. 00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:25.119 And me, they were like, get off the island. 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:27.680 And a lot of people liked it. 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:28.880 A lot of people thought it was funny. 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:33.839 But his production quality was so low, no music in the background, no branding. 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:37.359 No, no studio. 00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:42.880 I did appreciate his peanut butter mic. 00:23:43.519 --> 00:23:44.400 Yeah, it was fine. 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:53.039 He said his wife like bought out all of the peanut butter from the local grocery store in preparation for the Nor'easter. 00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:55.200 An odd choice. 00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:56.720 It's an odd choice. 00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:01.119 Okay, so as we were talking about, um, so uh Nor'easter. 00:24:01.279 --> 00:24:09.039 Um one, I'm not gonna pretend like I mean, I know it's in the name,

Nor'easter, Northeastern Storm. 00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:15.759 I'm no meteorologist, even though I kind of sometimes pretend to be one, but he plays them on TV. 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:17.200 He plays one on Facebook. 00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:19.839 I play one on Facebook, local Facebook groups. 00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:23.200 Um it's my I spend so much of my time. 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:28.079 But the issue that I have is like we're also in hurricane season. 00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:31.200 And so it's look, I understand. 00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:32.480 I'm not a stud, I am a stud. 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:34.240 Is this this is this a hurricane? 00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:34.880 This isn't a hurricane. 00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:35.839 It's not a hurricane. 00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:41.839 A nor'easter is not a hurricane, but they have they're happening in the same season. 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:45.200 Well, I think a nor'easter can happen during any time. 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:48.799 It doesn't have to be hurricane season or not hurricane season. 00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:53.680 I mean, when you look at the radar, there is just a band of storm. 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:57.599 Yeah, but it's not like a cyclone of a hurricane. 00:24:58.000 --> 00:24:59.680 Who sings cyclone? 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:01.440 I don't know. 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:04.559 He moves about it like a cyclone. 00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:08.640 That song was like, oh, I don't want to. 00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:12.400 That's a weird time in like our like life. 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:20.559 Not our life, but like I don't want to say when I was around for like that song, and then like you'd be like, Ugh, I was in a different part of life and that song came out. 00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:27.119 But the time and part of that song came out was like the center of my world for maybe three weeks. 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:29.200 That makes a lot of sense. 00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:36.240 Like there used to have like dances at the I guess it was the senior center, and that's like where that also makes sense. 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:38.240 We would have the local dance. 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:40.480 Um not at your school. 00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:43.680 It would be the school dance at the local senior center. 00:25:43.839 --> 00:25:44.960 Don't ask me why. 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:56.079 I'm actually not even entirely sure that they were related to the school, but like this was the pinnacle of like you looked forward to this, but I was also like very nerdy. 00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:58.079 This was like a okay, fine. 00:25:58.160 --> 00:25:58.799 I was in middle school. 00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:04.079 Middle school is rough for everyone, and I had not grown into my body yet. 00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:08.400 And or your ears, or my ears for that matter. 00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:10.400 Yeah, I still might not have grown into my ears. 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:11.279 I think you did. 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:12.559 Your head's pretty big. 00:26:12.720

--> 00:26:14.000 I got a big head. 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:14.880 Yeah. 00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:18.559 Yeah, it's a big head. 00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:27.279 Some people like you know, you just like walk around and like you could tell when someone has a small head, but like if your head's just like a little bit bigger than everyone else's. 00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:30.240 Is that me? 00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:34.240 Um I think you are a bigger person. 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:38.640 Like you're like tall and like what is he eating? 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:42.319 It's not disproportionate to my body, is it? 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:43.039 No. 00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:45.359 No, it's not at all. 00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:53.599 You're just I mean, you're like 6'3 and like bigger than the average guy. 00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:56.960 Like, you know. 00:26:57.200 --> 00:26:57.839 Yeah. 00:26:59.119 --> 00:26:59.759 Hmm. 00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:11.039 I mean, when you guys took a picture, anytime you take a picture of like your like group of med school buddies, it's so funny because off to Middle Earth. 00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:14.480 Literally, it's like you and your like hobbits. 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:16.400 Because you're like a foot taller than all. 00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:18.799 Yeah, we have to be really careful about that ring. 00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:22.000 One ring. 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:25.359 The trip to Mordor is gonna be really laborious. 00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:25.839 It was. 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:28.480 I would say that uh med school was the trip to Mordor. 00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:34.480 And yeah, took a long time to drop that ring in Mount Doom, I gotta say. 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:36.960 Um everyone lived. 00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:39.599 Unlike actually, I think a lot of people live. 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:41.599 Some people, some important people died. 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:43.599 You've never seen Lord of the Rings. 00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:46.160 And that's probably but I know what a hobbit is. 00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:46.720 That's good. 00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:47.279 No, that's good. 00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:48.319 You have like a general awareness. 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:49.599 To make a reference. 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:50.640 Enough to make a reference. 00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:51.839 Aware of the hobbits. 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:58.400 Look, there are several movies that I Godfather, Godfather, I'm able to make references now and whacked. 00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:00.960 Um you're trying to get popped. 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:03.839 Um, what what else is there? 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:06.000 There's like for a long time it was Game of Thrones. 00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:13.200 There were like Game of Thrones references that I couldn't get, but I mean it's been many years now that I've seen it. 00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:16.640 But um You know the dance mom's references now. 00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:18.079 Thank God for that. 00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:18.880 Yes. 00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:23.200 Well, since we're talking early Housewives of New Jersey references. 00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:36.160 Well, the dance mom, you know, I appreciate what you've said in the past that there is nothing like a first season of a reality TV show where no one knows what's happening except for the producers. 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:38.480 And it is it is great. 00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:44.160 It is great, and there's I there's irony that I love, I do love watching with dramatic irony. 00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:49.519 There is something to be said for watching something play out right in front of you, but a splash of dramatic irony. 00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:55.359 If there's one thing that stuck with me in my like English classes growing up, is like what dramatic irony is. 00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:56.000 I can tell. 00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:58.480 Yeah, that's I really hang on to that. 00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:01.119 Cause I'm like, maybe they'll think I know a literary term. 00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:02.480 I know a literary term. 00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:07.920 Oh, um gosh, the the the audience can be like, wow, this guy's all over the place today. 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:11.359 Um chiasm? 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:13.839 That's the other one I really like to hang my hat on. 00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:16.960 Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you. 00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:19.519 Wait, no, it's the other way around. 00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:21.599 JFK. 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:25.440 Ask not what your country can do for you. 00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:29.920 Ask what you can do for your country is a kiasm. 00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:34.000 I think if the pronunciation is right, if memory serves. 00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:39.279 Isn't there a documentary or something? 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:46.160 Maybe like a docuseries type thing, or it's like scripted about Rosemary Kennedy. 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:48.319 Rosemary Kennedy? 00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:53.039 Can you educate me on you don't know about Rosemary Kennedy and her lobotomy? 00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:53.519 What? 00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:54.960 Yeah. 00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.440 You've never like We're doing this live on the air. 00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:02.880 Look it up. 00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:07.519 I think there's like some there was um this book that I read. 00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:12.240 It was I read it like two falls ago. 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:18.799 And it was, and then she ended up in some sort of like psychiatric facility, but there was this book that I read. 00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:26.480 It was like a spooky type book, and I read it in the fall, not last year, but I think the year before that, and it was like loosely based off of that. 00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:27.680 Oh god. 00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:31.680 And she was like somehow like inquiry, I forget what the book was called, but it was really good. 00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:32.640 Oh man. 00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:37.200 Oh, this is sad.

00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:38.079 Yeah. 00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:43.920 Oh you have never heard, like knew about her? 00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:45.039 Look. 00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:48.480 We've explored this before. 00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:53.440 And I I run we run an educational podcast, so I don't want to like out myself. 00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:56.480 But like, come on. 00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:59.920 I think the whole thing is like fascinating, actually. 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:16.319 So she like had problems from birth and like developmental challenges, and then at some point in 1941, they just decided it's time to do a lobotomy, a prefrontal lobotomy. 00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:32.960 What a crazy I think they um what's the um there is como se dice uh gosh, it's Sarah Paulson is in it, it's like the the TV th rendition of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, ratchet. 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:33.599 Oh. 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:34.960 Did you ever watch that? 00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:38.319 I like started it and then I I have. 00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:39.839 It didn't do it for me. 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:40.799 That was good. 00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:49.920 I you know, it was definitely a commentary on like mental health care or lack thereof in you know 20th century and earlier. 00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:52.319 Um, that was that was an interesting one. 00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:54.160 They did a couple lobotomies in there, I think. 00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:58.880 Some of those shows like really show the angle of it and they get like real close and then they cut away. 00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:01.119 Yeah, they really gotta show all of it, you know. 00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:03.599 Some shows for it to be historically accurate. 00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:04.319 Sure. 00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:04.960 Yeah. 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:08.079 Some um, so we've been watching American Horror Story. 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:15.839 We did a whole season's watch in four days because we're awesome at watching TV. 00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:18.640 Okay, there was only like 12 episodes. 00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:20.960 Still, I'm not saying that facetiously. 00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:22.079 I'm like, I'm proud of that. 00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:28.559 We get whole stories in short amounts of time on that couch right there. 00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:30.480 I can't wait to get a new couch. 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:31.519 Leap shin. 00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:32.960 Little leapshin. 00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:35.119 Yeah, we just watched Freak Show. 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:37.039 Ma Petit. 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:38.079 I liked it. 00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:40.160 I thought it was a great story to tell. 00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:43.440 And I thought it like it was very tasteful. 00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:45.279 I feel like we should watch Coven. 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:46.319 I should. 00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:47.519 I like forget. 00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:52.799 So I know that I really liked Well, Murder House, obviously. 00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:55.440 And

then Coven and Hotel. 00:32:55.759 --> 00:33:02.000 But I remember that I liked them, but I cannot like tell you the plot of the series. 00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:03.039 Like what happened. 00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:10.480 Well, I've never well, so I started watching at Roanoke and every season since then. 00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:14.720 And did you go through a Roanoke phase in like elementary school? 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:26.799 The people you know, if someone really closely listens to this podcast, they're probably gonna find that like well, I think the whole uh Sokata no Sokotoa is how you do solve triangles, is it? 00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:39.039 Or Sokotoa the There is an inscription on the tree on the tree, yeah, and like I'm trying to decide if Sokotoa is a geometry thing. 00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:40.480 Crowatoan. 00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:42.319 There we go. 00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:44.559 There we go. 00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:45.359 We got there. 00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:52.000 I was like the gears turning, and like it was just we're there. 00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.559 So clear in my head now is a definite pathway. 00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.200 Sokotoa is how you solve a triangle. 00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:01.119 Crowatoan is was on the tree. 00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:01.440 Yeah. 00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:03.759 Are we gonna keep talking about geometry or Roanoke now? 00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:05.440 I think Roanoke is more interesting. 00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:06.079 Yeah. 00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:07.680 Fascinating stuff. 00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:08.719 They just disappeared. 00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:09.599 Yeah. 00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:11.440 Maybe it was the aliens. 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:13.039 Maybe it was AI. 00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:15.440 You know, it might have been. 00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:19.119 I think they got abducted from. 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:34.719 I keep getting in into um this like loophole on TikTok as one does about how there's like life on other planets, and there are these like couple planets that like look just like Earth that are like a billion light years away. 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:52.000 But then there's also this thing, I don't know if this is true or not, but I keep seeing this thing that like since like 1988 or something, Earth has been getting receiving signals every 22 minutes from somewhere, and then I get into that spiral. 00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:54.320 It's cool stuff to think about. 00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:54.719 Yeah. 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:55.519 It is. 00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:58.480 I it is neat. 00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:01.360 And then you're like, what's the point of life? 00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:05.119 You know, you can't get very, very zoomed out, very meta. 00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:09.519 They every once in a while. 00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:23.920 I mean, like, I it did, it was disappointing to me how non-plussed people were when all of the hoopla hootin' and hollering about aliens was happening, and like no one cared. 00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:26.239 It would, it seemed like no one cared. 00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:39.840 It was just like this, it would be like the least, like there are so many other like worst things that have happened and like are happening that like aliens can't be that bad, you know. 00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:43.199 Yeah, you would say they want to be the craziest thing that's happened. 00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:44.480 Unfortunately, that's true. 00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:47.360 And you would think that like I think we're all a little desensitized. 00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:49.440 I think that's what might maybe it is. 00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:51.440 Yeah. 00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:58.480 Well else did you learn about like so are they light years away and like how do what was the do you know anymore? 00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:00.400 Or like that was what you had to share. 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:04.239 That was like basically all I had to share, and like we would never be able to get there. 00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:06.719 I don't know. 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:08.960 Like Interstellar. 00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:09.599 Yeah. 00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:11.199 It's a good movie. 00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:13.199 It's like a great movie. 00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:20.480 I would I don't know whether it's like reductive of me to hang my hat on like that's my favorite movie, but I I like it the most. 00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:21.920 So I feel like it's a good one. 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:23.119 I'm allowed to like it. 00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:27.119 Doesn't need to be some like niche pick that says something about me, like what my favorite movie is. 00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:28.639 Like, I just love Interstellar. 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:32.079 I think that's a great thing. 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:34.639 You don't really have a favorite movie though. 00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:37.519 No, I don't think I do. 00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:41.280 Like, I will put that movie on and I will like wow. 00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:42.639 That's like your comfort movie. 00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:43.920 It is a comfort movie. 00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:44.719 So good. 00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:45.440 Like the music. 00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:47.519 Honestly, I think my comfort movie. 00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:49.360 I do really like Interstellar. 00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:51.039 I know what your comfort movie is. 00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:51.519 What? 00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:53.039 The wrong missy. 00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:55.920 I think that's our comfort movie. 00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:58.480 It's it's never not funny. 00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:03.599 We've watched it like at least 10 times, definitely over 10 times. 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:08.400 Way more than someone should watch a Adam Sandler-based comedy movie. 00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:13.519 Um, my comfort movie for a long time was the Sex in the City movie. 00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:16.559 Because it's just so good. 00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:18.239 Um Mr. 00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:19.039 Big. 00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:23.840 I also

really like my comfort like holiday movie. 00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:25.440 Sarah Jessica Parker. 00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:28.239 Another SJ Paid, The Family Stone, actually. 00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.480 People like to hate on that movie, but I liked it. 00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:31.679 The Family Stone. 00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:32.159 Yeah. 00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:34.159 And they're making a second one. 00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:36.320 Diane Keaton's in it. 00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:49.599 The Family Stones we tragically lost, but at the end of The Family Stone, she was like, her like cancer came back, and then it like flashed forward to the following Christmas, and she had died, so she wasn't there. 00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.400 So now it makes sense. 00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:57.360 I've never heard you mention the Family Stone. 00:37:57.679 --> 00:37:58.000 You have. 00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:00.079 Yeah, I'll tell you about it later. 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:01.280 Thank you. 00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:07.039 So it's livened up a little bit. 00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:12.880 Oh, so back to American Horror Story this season. 00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:18.239 Guys, this is this is how conversations at home happen. 00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:22.079 Um, you're really like, I think we're just talking right now, uh, is what's happening. 00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:24.639 American horror story this season, 13. 00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:33.599 I'm sure like something will make sense, but so far they're they're like pulling from every past season. 00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:36.639 So like different characters and storylines and blah, blah, blah. 00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:41.599 But like, I don't know, it feels like they just like got lazy. 00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:42.719 I don't know. 00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:43.599 But who knows? 00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:46.880 I think we're only on what, like the third episode, maybe third episode. 00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:52.880 The episodes are notably shorter than the other ones, which is fine, whatever. 00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:55.440 Um it's confusing. 00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:57.360 The plot has not revealed itself yet. 00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:00.960 Doing a lot of exposition at this point. 00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:08.320 They did spring a lot of old characters on, kind of in like an unceremonious three minutes. 00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:09.599 Yeah. 00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:11.199 I don't know. 00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:12.079 It was weird. 00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:16.239 It's like all based in the number 13. 00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:39.920 But I think I need to watch Coven to like because now like they call back to that season so much that like I have a gist that there's like witches and there's like a head witch, and yeah, it's the supreme and yada yada, but like I don't have the lure to experience all of the nostalgia in what it's supposed to be for the loyal fan. 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.320 So I mean, maybe that's what we do. 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:43.360 Maybe that's the next one.

00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:50.239 I think we were gonna, and then we were like, they're so good at just we're like, oh, we're gonna watch one, and then we're gonna save it for later. 00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.559 And they just roll right into the next one. 00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:58.079 It's like, how do you not, how do you not just like continue, continue, as one of the Nicholsons would say? 00:39:58.159 --> 00:39:59.199 And gosh. 00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:06.719 Yeah, we just let it keep playing, or like sitting on the couch drooling, watching it. 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:07.920 It was so funny. 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:18.159 We can't we can't tell you everything that happens in here, but we were just looking at each other last night and we're like, if the world knew what happened here and what we just do all night. 00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:24.719 We're like, whenever you see those memes and stuff, that's like, imagine hating me, and I'm just like at home. 00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:26.239 Like, there's one that I like. 00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:29.599 It's like imagine hating me and I'm at home staring a cheese stick with my dog. 00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:33.599 It's like imagine hating us and we're just like acting stupid on the couch. 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:34.960 Right. 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:38.079 Oh man. 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:39.920 Pro vocal stems. 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:40.320 Oh yeah. 00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:41.840 Probe vote. 00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:43.199 Oh yeah. 00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:44.559 Oh, traders. 00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:45.119 Perfect. 00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:48.639 I mean, the loyal, only the loyal listeners can make it to like the 40th minute. 00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:51.599 Um the one who the ones who really care. 00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:53.440 You jam jum. 00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:55.039 Oh my god. 00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:55.840 Jam jam. 00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:57.280 We the nuts. 00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:00.239 That's uh, oh, I can't believe it. 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:01.679 Yeah, friggin' nuts. 00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:07.360 So across the street, there's a lot of construction happening like on uh houses on our street right now. 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:17.199 So there's one like across from us on the little side street, and there's a construction truck that's parked there like all day, every day for the past couple weeks, whatever. 00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:22.239 And whenever we're walking Ollie at night, there are always nuts like on the sidewalk. 00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:30.000 And I'm always like, oh my god, these construction people, and they're nuts because like Ollie wants to eat them and it's like a whole thing, and they're there most nights. 00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:31.440 I'm like, what is going on? 00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:35.280 Like, I kept blaming the construction man men. 00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:41.280 Oh, because you thought they were like snacking nuts, and like it's like right where the truck is, and I'm like, why are they like leaving? 00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:42.719 Like, what is going on? 00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:45.199 So then are nuts bad for dogs, like Ollie? 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:45.760 I don't think so. 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:47.360 I mean, he eats peanut butter. 00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:48.320 Good point. 00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:54.320 Um, so then we're walking Ollie and the house on the corner, so like right next to this little side street. 00:41:54.480 --> 00:42:00.239 This man comes out with his big plastic bag full of nuts and just is like throwing handfuls onto the sidewalk. 00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:01.920 And I was like, you. 00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:04.320 It was it was such a reveal. 00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:13.039 I think he was feeding the squirrels because that big tree next to his house, that kind of like the like canopy of the tree goes over like that whole street, and there are a lot of squirrels in there. 00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:14.960 So I think he's like feeding the squirrels. 00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:15.920 That's nice. 00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:24.079 I've I viewed him as a menace when he did it initially, and then like within a second, you were like, Oh, it's like when Nona feeds the squirrels. 00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:28.480 And I was like, Oh, now he's like now he's a benevolent elderly gentleman in my eyes. 00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:29.119 Okay, fine. 00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:36.800 And we're just not gonna that whole area like always has something that Ollie wants to eat in there, and then like jungle of a garden. 00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:40.880 We always go down there and he always sneaks his way in there. 00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:46.960 He's like that was cute when you met the other neighborhood Corgi. 00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:48.159 Oh, bagels. 00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:53.599 Well, we had met bagels when he just got bagels, and bagels was a fresh puppy. 00:42:54.159 --> 00:43:00.800 And I was talking with bagels' dad the other morning, and he was like, Can I ask you something? 00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:04.639 Because he said he said something, because I think it was a trash like morning. 00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:08.960 And he's like, Oh yeah, like she's eating everything, whatever. 00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:11.199 And he's like, Can I ask you something? 00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:12.559 How old is Ollie? 00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:14.639 And does he still eat everything on the street? 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:17.679 I was like, he's nine and yes. 00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:22.000 And then he said that that was what every quirky parent has told him. 00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:28.960 So it's not just Ollie, it's in his in his blood to eat all the street snacks. 00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:30.639 Certainly is. 00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:33.440 I can't believe it was that guy. 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:35.119 I know. 00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:36.719 We have an answer. 00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:39.440 Wow. 00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:41.840 A mystery revealed. 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:44.400 A mystery I didn't even know needed to

be a mystery. 00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:46.079 Yeah. 00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:48.079 And it happened right in front of us. 00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:50.000 I mean, it's been there for a while. 00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:51.360 I literally was like, you. 00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:56.719 And it was like a second, too. 00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:58.000 It was a big handful. 00:43:58.159 --> 00:43:59.840 And like, that was a big bag of nuts. 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:00.800 It was. 00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:03.679 And it was like, I think it was like in a giant, like, clear bag. 00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:06.079 I'm like, where and why? 00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:10.159 And just a quick second of like a and then gone. 00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:11.440 He vanished. 00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:14.800 I've been blaming the construction guys this whole time. 00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:17.440 I didn't have blame to place. 00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:22.320 I just speaking of construction guys. 00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:23.920 Oh man, what's coming? 00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:27.679 With the e-bikes. 00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:30.159 What a weird thing. 00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:31.840 I don't even know how to paint this picture. 00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:32.960 You could probably do a better job. 00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:44.400 We were in the car and we were over by like where like Penn is, and like there's like always a lot of construction going on over there, like at all times. 00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:47.679 So there's always like a bunch of construction guys and like hard hats. 00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:54.000 So we were like making a right hand turn, kind of down like a little bit of a hill road. 00:44:54.320 --> 00:45:06.159 And then like we're like waiting at the light, and then we just see like one guy like crossing the street, he's walking, and then another like construction guy like on a bike, and we're like, okay. 00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:07.599 And then we look down. 00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:14.079 So these all these construction guys are coming up on their scooters and their e-bikes, like in the wrong direction. 00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:14.480 Yep. 00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.199 Just like confidently with their hard hats on. 00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:18.079 A brigade of them. 00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:24.800 And I don't know that a hard hat would have the same effect as a helmet if like any of them got in any sort of accident. 00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:30.480 It was just And we were like this like brigade of construction men on scooters. 00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:33.679 We should tell my dad that. 00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:45.280 Yeah. 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:50.880 Like I would have like a brigade of trucks or stubbornly walking up the hill. 00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:52.639 In like the opposite direction. 00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:54.079 We're like, oh my god. 00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:57.679 And then we like kind of made this like turn and then one came out of nowhere. 00:45:57.760 --> 00:45:58.480 We're like, oh my god. 00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:00.239 Yeah, I felt like these guys have a death wish. 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:02.239 I was one of the cars in Frogger. 00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:03.519 Yeah. 00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:08.320 Except I was trying not to hit a frog. 00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:14.159 Like it just seemed like these aren't the guys who are going to be using scooters. 00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:15.519 Like, I know. 00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:20.719 These are like I thought they'd be stubbornly walking up the hill, like hill. 00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:23.440 But like, no, they were like doo-doo. 00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:24.719 Yeah. 00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:27.199 I just, it was a sight to behold. 00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:28.880 I wish you guys could have seen it. 00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:31.360 Um it was more funny. 00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:32.880 Yeah, you had to be there. 00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:34.079 Maybe you had to be there. 00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:34.960 We'll get feedback. 00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:35.920 Well, we will. 00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:41.039 There are a couple people who leave us some notes about the banter section, and we'll we'll see if this landed. 00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:43.039 What do you think? 00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:44.079 Is that all? 00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:44.880 I think so. 00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:48.320 Turned out we did have some things to talk about, which is good. 00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:52.880 So thank you for coming back to another episode of Your Checkup. 00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:57.280 Hopefully, you were able to learn something for yourself, a loved one, or a neighbor. 00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:03.199 You can find us on Instagram, you can find us on Threads, send us an email, but most importantly, stay healthy, my friends. 00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:05.119 Until next time, I'm Ed Delesky. 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:06.159 I'm Nicole Ruffo. 00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:07.199 Thank you and goodbye. 00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:08.079 Bye. 00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:18.559 This information may provide a brief overview of diagnosis, treatment, and medications. 00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:22.639 It's not exhaustive and is a tool to help you understand potential options about your health. 00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:27.360 It doesn't cover all details about conditions, treatments, or medications for a specific person. 00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.880 This is not medical advice or an attempt to substitute medical advice. 00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:36.159 You should contact a healthcare provider for personalized guidance based on your unique circumstances. 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:40.880 We explicitly disclaim any liability relating to the information given or its use. 00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:44.960 This content doesn't endorse any treatments or medications for a specific patient. 00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:49.119 Always talk to your healthcare provider for a complete information tailored to you. 00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:51.039 In short, I'm not your doctor. 00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:52.079 I am not your nurse. 00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.920 And make sure you go get your own checkup with your own personal doctor.