Full Transcript for Hellraiser

super uh yeah, invested or interested. 00:04:58.800 --> 00:04:59.680 Yeah, I mean yeah, same here. 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:00.480 I'm not familiar at all. 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:10.959 The other thing I kind of appreciate about this movie, and we'll talk a little bit about like Clive Barker's background, which I literally had no, like obviously I really like Clive Barker and I like a lot of Clive Barker's films. 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:16.879 I just really had no idea like how much sex plays a role in his work. 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:34.000 And I think if you look at like as sex as a weapon in this movie, like you look at it from the perspective of Frank, Frank manipulates Julia, Julia in turn manipulates the men, and the Cinnabites in turn manipulate whomever's in their possession, all using the force of sex. 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:38.879 And I think it just plays like a really critical role in the film. 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:40.399 And I like it. 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:56.720 There's a lot of like manipulation in here, and a lot of like the lengths that people will go to in order to satisfy themselves, I think is an interesting play here, which I actually never thought of until I watched it this latest time. 00:05:56.879 --> 00:06:12.160 And I think when you do the podcast and you're writing the script, you start to get like more like you know, you're researching, you start to get like far more invested in the film itself as as a as a like a body of work, as opposed to when you're just kind of like casually watching it and you're just kind of like flipping through your phone. 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:21.199 Yeah, this is like I like what you just said about the whole I like the whole theming around sex, desire, pleasure. 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:23.360 I mean, that's what this movie is really about. 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:35.360 Um how this like evil woman, how far she will go to get this man back that she lusts over long after his disappearance. 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:47.439 Um, and there's a lot to talk about here with regards to like not only sex, but like the limits of hedonism and depravity that people will go to to satisfy themselves. 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:58.160 I also think like with this one, there is I think like not only do we have like that horror element, the sex element, we have like really good set design, we have super good special effects. 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:10.639 Yeah, the special effects are wonderful, which is kind of crazy because there is when Frank first starts to rebirth, yeah, like from like the organism into my favorite scene of the movie. 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:34.959 But it's really funny because this movie came out prior to Nightmare in Elm Street part four, and in Nightmare and Elm Street Part Four, there is a really famous scene where like the dog peas and Freddy is kind of like restructured and rebirthed, and it's done through this like reverse camera work where his flesh begins to like grow and he begins to like recreate. 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:55.600 But I I actually kind of found it interesting, and the only reason I bring that up is because it reminds me a lot of this film, and I'm just wondering how much influence was derived from this, just being uh kind of a special effects powerhouse in and of itself, which I didn't give it credit for as much on first watch. 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:58.959 Yeah, I feel the same way about the special effects this time around. 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:13.199 Like the whole scene of Frank coming back to life is insane, it's so cool, and the reverse photography, the it's so moist and gross and gooey. 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.399 Uh it is very gooey, that's definitely for sure. 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:22.160 In fact, Frank is moist in every single scene of this movie. 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:27.199 He's either sweating, he's rained on, or he's a corpse that has blood and guts on him. 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:28.399 It's kind of funny. 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:35.360 Like, the only thing, and I'll talk about this a bit later, is I don't like the switch between actors. 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:45.519 So, like when Frank is in corpse form, it is a different actor who was chosen specifically because he has a very slight frame. 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:47.039 Oh, that makes sense, yeah. 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:50.159 And but it looks nothing like Frank. 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:52.559 And so it took me out a little bit. 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:58.639 I'm like, obviously, like Julia wants Frank and she really wants to get fucked by Frank again because that was like some good lovin'. 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:09.679 But it's like I just it took me out a little bit because it didn't resemble Sean Chapman, who plays Frank with skin on at all. 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:13.759 And I think that's kind of like one of those things where I was like, uh, I didn't love that. 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:18.159 Not that I don't like the actor, but I didn't love how different he looked, I guess, is what I'll say. 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:20.559 Yeah, no, that's I I I didn't even realize. 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:24.240 I mean, it doesn't look like him, but I didn't realize I thought it was just makeup that was doing that work. 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:28.960 So okay, let's uh let's go into um some background. 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:38.159 I mostly read a few articles that quote Clive Barker himself in order to put together the story. 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:40.240 So I'm just gonna tell you what those are. 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:57.120 So one is How We Made Hellraiser, interviews by Phil Hode, Shudders of Pleasure, The Story of Hellraiser by Nick Pinkerton, and how filmmaking frustrations yielded Clive Barker's Super Butchers in Hellraiser by Chris Vogels. 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:09.279 And so I don't know if you know this, but Clive Barker was a gay hustler in the 1970s. 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:16.639 Yeah, I don't, I don't know, I know nothing really about Clive

Barker, to be honest, other than the like some of the franchises he's taken part in. 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:18.399 Can you believe that? 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:24.399 I as a fan of Clive Barker, the fact that I he was a hustler is wild to me. 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:27.360 And he says, and I think this is a really interesting thing. 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:39.200 Like, if we're gonna talk about like sex as a weapon or a tool, he says, I met a lot of people, um, some you'll know and some you won't, publishers and captains of industry. 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:44.799 The way they acted and the way I did, to be honest, was a source of inspiration later. 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:47.360 Sex is the great leveler. 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:51.679 So he was like meeting all these like really high-profile, powerful men. 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:56.080 But like when they're naked in bed with him, they're his equal. 00:10:56.240 --> 00:11:00.799 And he exercises some level of like control and power. 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:16.320 And that, like, I mean, if you think about that, that plays a whole hell of a lot into like how Julia manifests and her character arc using sex as a tool in order to achieve, you know, whatever she's trying to do. 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:25.279 So the reason I bring this up, obviously, is because Hellraiser does explore sex, BDSM, and the use of uh sex to gain power. 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:33.840 So prior to Hellraiser, Clive had produced two non-sync sound shorts, Salome and the Forbidden. 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:40.960 So these film experiments, nor his turn at theater or illustration had like garnered him much success. 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:50.000 But it was in like 1984 where his collection of short stories, the Books of Blood, became widely successful and he became a successful writer. 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:59.759 And so in 1986, a second entry into the Books of Blood, the Hellbound Heart, was published at 186 pages. 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:06.639 And what this novella was initially about was it concerned an amoral sibarite. 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:07.840 I had to look this up. 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:20.320 It is a person obsessed with luxury, torn to shreds by interdimensional Cenovite demons after using a mystical puzzle box to access a plane of overwhelming sensory gratification. 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:37.360 And I don't think we explore the Sibyrite persona a lot in this movie, but in the Hellraiser remake, they open up with this party of people, and those party of people have hustlers surrounding them. 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:43.120 And I feel like that sort of like speaks a little bit more to the novella than this film does. 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:48.080 So it is this novella that would form the basis for Hellraiser. 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:52.240 And Clive very much had a film in mind when it was written. 00:12:52.399 --> 00:13:00.639 So Clive Barker stated that he wanted to make the Hellbound Heart into a film because he wanted to prevent low-quality adaptations of his work being made by other people. 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:15.440 He was very critical of two different adaptations of his previous works: 1985's Underworld and 1986 Rawhead Rex, which secretly I like, both directed by George Pavlu and wanted to prevent this from happening again. 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:21.039 So he essentially had a little plan in mind when he wrote The Hellbound Heart. 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:32.559 And it's it's kind of interesting because he he had other film, other works that he had written adapted into films, but he really never achieved success from those. 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:34.879 Like the director gets notoriety. 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:42.159 It really isn't until right now that we start to understand who this guy is and that he even exists. 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:52.080 But from an interview with Barker and The Guardian, Barker says most English and American horror movies were not sexual, or coquettishly so. 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:56.720 A bunch of teenagers having sex and then getting killed, which he mentioned earlier. 00:13:57.039 --> 00:14:05.200 Hellraiser, the story of a man driven to seek the ultimate sensual experience, has a much more twisted sense of sensuality. 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:20.320 And in 1986, Barker had enough of a name to secure Roger Corman's company New World, who agreed to fund the film for$900,000 and said very plainly to Barker that it would go straight to video. 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:22.960 That's sad. 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:24.240 I know. 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:28.559 That's like that's like very oh, by the way, this is going right to video. 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:31.519 Like no chance of a theoretical release, really. 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:46.480 Yeah, and I think it's because like his I think with Barker, he had tried his hand at a lot of different creative endeavors, and like I said, hadn't achieved any like notoriety or success. 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:51.919 So the fact that New World said, we're gonna give you this opportunity, but it'll go straight to video. 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.960 I don't think that really was something upsetting to Clive Barker. 00:14:57.039 --> 00:15:02.720 I think he thought, okay, this is a stepping stone into me making my own film. 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:11.840 And I think that we see this is the turning point between him as an author to like an introduction of like the rest of his career. 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:18.080 And the fact that this movie is so weird is wild. 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:22.080 This movie, so this movie did go straight to video? 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:22.960 Mm-mm. 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:25.679 So it oh, so he oh, okay. 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:35.840 The inception, like the original purpose, the original purpose is just to like get it to video, but as he started making it, they realized there was potential for it, and then they released it. 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:37.519 Oh, cool, okay. 00:15:38.240

--> 00:15:59.679 So I wanted to talk a little bit about the Cenobites, even though, like we said, they they don't appear in this movie for very long, but they definitely do have like obviously a pretty palpable presence because I mean Pinhead is like a huge cultural horror icon, and the Cenobites are like widely known throughout like horror canon, right? 00:15:59.919 --> 00:16:03.039 Since so let's give them a second. 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:07.840 Yeah, they even like they even get an appearance in uh Cavern of the Woods. 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:10.320 Oh my god, they do! Yeah, yeah. 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:19.679 Cav in the Woods is a bunch of awesome references, but in Cavern of the Woods, uh that one of the things they could have done to trigger the scenario was a puzzle box. 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:24.720 And then later on, we see their take on a Cenobite who has got a saw blade through his head. 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:26.159 Oh, yeah, that's true. 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:28.240 Oh, yeah, that one Cenobyte. 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:28.639 Yeah. 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:30.799 Who's in yeah, that that's awesome. 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:31.519 Yes, exactly. 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:39.039 So they've completely entered Horror Cannon, even though, like I said, the first movie features them for like eight minutes. 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:41.360 Like it's very, very short run time for these guys. 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:49.279 And uh we're on August 31st for my gamer uh viewers or listeners out there. 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:50.000 Sorry. 00:16:50.159 --> 00:17:01.039 Uh, within the next month, we're gonna get a Hellraiser video game coming out, um, which is pretty wild in this day and age to all of a sudden get a full-fledged video game for that for this property. 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:05.279 Um so pretty excited myself for that. 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:06.640 Would you play it? 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:07.680 I'm gonna buy it. 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:08.720 Yeah, it's like a horror game. 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:12.319 Like it's it's like it's like a survival horror, so I can't wait to play it. 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:25.680 Okay, so with the Cenobites, so the original screenplay for Hellraiser featured one central Cenobite operating in the shadows, but was later adapted to include four super butchers, quote end quote. 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:33.599 He says, Nothing springs into my imagination without having inspiration in other things I've seen or experienced. 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:35.680 The centibytes were no exception. 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:46.000 Their design was influenced among other things by punk, by Catholicism, and by the visits I would take to SM clubs in New York and Amsterdam. 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:50.960 On the SM sliding scale, I'm probably a six. 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:57.039 There was an underground club called Cellblock 28 in New York that had a very hard SM night. 00:17:57.279 --> 00:17:58.720 No drink, no drugs. 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:00.559 They played it very straight. 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:04.960 It was the first time I ever saw people pierced for fun. 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:08.160 It was the first time I saw blood spilt. 00:18:09.519 --> 00:18:18.799 And on the design of the Cenobites, one of the designers, Jane Wildgoose, recounts the notes she'd taken from Barker. 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:32.319 She says, My notes say that he wanted one Aries of revealed flesh where some kind of torture has or is occurring, and two, something associated with butchery involved. 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:36.000 And then here we have a very clive turn of phrase. 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:40.000 I've written down repulsive glamour. 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:59.680 So yeah, so kind of interesting that the inception of these horror icons really does come from the BDSM scene, and the fact that they're like split open and torn in different ways literally comes from inspiration that he saw while kind of touring these clubs, which is kind of cool. 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:21.279 Like, I think the reason I bring this stuff up though is like it's not even so much about Hellraiser, it's like the fact that Clive Barker, again, was so inspired by sex and BDSM, and that this movie was a feature film featuring villains from that part of his imagination, I think is like really cool and subversive. 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:28.720 Because if you think of the general public in the 1980s, like that really isn't a mainstream thing, and it still isn't now at all, right? 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:30.000 It's very underground. 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:33.279 But to bring that to the forefront, I think is like really, really cool. 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:38.319 And actually, a little bit later, I'll tell you how it was received by that community. 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:40.799 And it's a little surprising. 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:57.519 Yeah, I think this movie manages to be a feature-length film that is digestible by the common audience, I think the common horror-goer, um, without needing to go too far into such a niche sexual experience, but also conveys that sexual experience effectively. 00:19:57.759 --> 00:19:59.119 Yeah, perfect. 00:19:59.200 --> 00:19:59.759 Yeah, exactly. 00:19:59.839 --> 00:20:03.119 Like there's no explicit sexuality in here. 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:08.240 And the only the only scene that actually takes place of any like sort of sex is between Frank and Julia. 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:09.759 Yeah, her man. 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:17.920 She gets dicked down, and she that is the impetus for this whole fucking movie, is how good that dick was. 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:20.160 I thought I saw this really funny quote on Reddit. 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:28.240 It's to the user colored undies, who says, Julia saw a skinless hell demon and said, I can fix him. 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:32.480 Like, girl, like girl, you are way outside your skill set. 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:35.599 I just thought that was really funny. 00:20:36.640 -->

00:20:37.599 So funny. 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:40.559 And the thing is, like, oh man, I have a lot to say. 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:42.000 I have a lot to say about it there. 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:47.440 Like, but uh Julia and how like like yeah, I have so much to say about her character. 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:50.720 Yeah, like how fucking lonely are you, Julia? 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:52.160 Like, here's okay. 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:53.920 Wait, no, no, let's let's say that's a good one. 00:20:54.079 --> 00:21:02.319 Because I really, really want to get because there's gonna be a lot to say when we get to that part, but I think there's a lot of uh mayhem that will that will be unlocked. 00:21:02.480 --> 00:21:07.200 So I want to talk a little bit back about um directing with Clive Barker. 00:21:07.519 --> 00:21:13.119 So again, directorial debut had never directed a film prior to this. 00:21:13.279 --> 00:21:18.240 He went to the library in Crouch End looking for a book on how to direct. 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:22.160 They had one book, but unfortunately, it was out. 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:24.960 So Barker was on his own. 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:31.920 So initially, New World basically left Barker and his crew to their own devices. 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:35.839 But as the six-month mark approached, they said, We're coming over. 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:42.799 They came over, saw the production, seemed okay with it, and left. 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:47.759 And Barker says, I didn't get bothered by them again until later on. 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:58.160 They got us to relocate the story to America and overdub some of the accents, which I didn't feel great about because the original story had been so English. 00:21:58.480 --> 00:21:59.599 And obviously, like. 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:04.000 We can talk a little bit about this when we get more to like when they arrive at the house. 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:11.759 But one of the weird things about this movie is that it's hard to place where it takes place. 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:13.680 And this is why. 00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:20.240 Halfway through filming, they moved locations, essentially cultures, and accents. 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:21.920 And it's weird. 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:32.960 Clive Barker says that New World gave the film a wide release, and I got a really positive reaction from the SM crowd, and still do. 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:35.279 I was validating a lifestyle. 00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:40.400 It was a celebration of the beauty of these strange secret rituals. 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:53.039 So despite having the location moved over to the States, New World saw the film as being potential for them to make some money. 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:58.240 And then so they transferred it from home video over to a wide release. 00:22:58.319 --> 00:23:01.680 They said this thing needs a theater release, and that's what they did. 00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:03.440 That's awesome. 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:14.880 Yeah, like that's uh like I think it's cool that he was given the chance to like make this movie, and then even from what he was doing, they what they saw, like, okay, this should probably go to theaters. 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:22.240 And also, is this not a symbol of like, dude, like build it and they will come? 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:35.119 Like, even though he he could have been like, Oh, I don't want to do this because it's like a home release and that's like small fry for me, but he did it, he did the best possible work he could do, and boom, landed a feature release. 00:23:35.359 --> 00:23:36.799 Like, incredible. 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:37.839 It's just wild. 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:43.359 I guess, sorry, I guess it's wild to me that this guy shows up as like, hey, I want to direct this movie, and I've never directed a movie before. 00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:49.200 It's just like, yeah, and they were like, and they were like, Yeah, you can do it, but it's gonna go straight to home video. 00:23:49.519 --> 00:24:01.759 Yeah, so that's that's like yeah, it was a small opportunity, but he ended up spinning it into something that for the rest of his career, like it set him up for like crazy amounts of success. 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:06.079 I wonder if if his directing would have changed at all if he had gotten a hold of that book. 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:08.400 Whoa, what book? 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:12.400 He said he went to like oh the directorial debut book, yeah. 00:24:13.359 --> 00:24:14.799 Yeah, can you imagine? 00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:17.039 Yeah, it's just so it's so wild to me. 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:22.960 Like, like there's no he'd have no portfolio of having directed anything, even like a fun little skit with his friends or something. 00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:32.400 Like, no, because the only two things that he worked on were those two short films aforementioned, but they they didn't go anywhere. 00:24:32.480 --> 00:25:01.680 They were they were, like you said, like very experimental, very small, but for some reason, almost to be honest with you, like similar to Curry Barker, you know, something really tiny was created, but obviously New World saw potential in not only this story, but in Clive Barker and said, we're going to green light this on a small scale, and through hard work, realize, like, yeah, we can actually release this on a larger scale. 00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:21.279 And what makes that even nuttier is the fact that, like, we talked about the fact that it deals with this overt BDSM culture, which is really, you know, faux pas in the 1980s, makes it all the more crazy that they would have said yes. 00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:27.119 There is a bunch of censorship stuff that happened to this film, which I'll talk about in a second. 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:35.920 But barring that, I mean, it's a pretty, it's a pretty big swing to take on a small first-time director. 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:36.480 Okay. 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:53.440 All right,

Andrew, let's talk a little bit about Doug Bradley, who does not get the same notoriety as Robert England, possibly for a reason, although in the later Hellraiser films, he is a central figure. 00:25:53.680 --> 00:26:01.680 So, not based on this one, but based on the subsequent eight films, he does become a little bit of like a character, right? 00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:02.640 Especially part three. 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:07.119 You should definitely watch part three because it is batshit fucking wild and crazy. 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:22.559 But Doug Bradley, whose character has since become known as Pinhead, played this character in a total of eight Hellraiser films, has known Clive Barker and been a collaborator of his since their days at Quarry Bank High School. 00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:26.079 So he knew Clive since high school. 00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:27.599 That is crazy. 00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:29.279 It is who you know. 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:33.519 Also, and the world is just the world is small. 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:35.440 Oh, totally, yeah. 00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:41.920 Like, like I just mean like you just it it just whether it's Hollywood, whether it's like your own personalized, like I found that recently. 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:51.920 Like, not recently, I found that I just find reminders that all the time where it's like someone's dating someone who you know through this other person, and it's like, Jesus, this world is small. 00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:53.519 It's like it's it's wild, dude. 00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:54.480 Try being gay. 00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:55.440 No, I'm kidding. 00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:56.720 Okay, no, no, no, no. 00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:04.240 Try so Bradley is a bit of a Nepo friend. 00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:08.960 So Bradley says, I've known Clyde since we did a play together at high school in Liverpool. 00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:14.559 He first mentioned in the fall of 1985 that he was putting together a low-budget British independent horror movie. 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:20.240 According to Bradley, the makeup for Pinhead took around five to six hours to put on. 00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:25.039 And it was in this makeup that the decisions about playing Pinhead were made. 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:30.640 He says, I had a sense of power, of majesty, of a kind of beauty. 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:32.640 His threat is implied. 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:34.720 Look what I did to myself. 00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:37.279 Now imagine what I could do to you. 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:40.160 He says that Barker gave him one note. 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:45.839 You have no idea how amazing this looks on camera, but do less. 00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:49.839 Let the makeup and the character tell through being seen. 00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:58.319 So, unlike Freddy, Pinhead and the first Hellraiser is a much more subdued display of power. 00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:08.160 Although I would argue in Nightmare N Street Part One, Freddy is a lot more subdued than we see

in subsequent films. 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:10.160 Yeah, but interesting. 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:17.440 And Bradley's got a he's got his iconic deep voice speech that he uses for pinhead. 00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:20.079 Like his He really doesn't say much in this movie. 00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:21.440 It's very no, but it's iconic. 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.319 His whole line, the box, you opened it. 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:27.839 We came. 00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:33.039 So I also I wanted to talk a little bit about censorship. 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:39.279 So Hellraiser was initially banned in Ontario by the Ontario Film and Video Review Board. 00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:46.720 By a three to two majority vote, the film was deemed not approved in its entirety as it contravenes community standards. 00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:54.240 It was banned because of its brutal graphic violence with bloodletting throughout, horror, degradation, and torture. 00:28:54.480 --> 00:29:02.640 In August 1987, Hellraiser was passed by the Ontario Film Review Board, but only after several cuts were made to the film. 00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:08.400 New World Mutual Pictures of Canada cut about 40 seconds to get the film passed with an R rating. 00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:20.720 The reason I bring up this Ontario specific episode, well, not only like are we on Ontario, but this was indicative of how the film had passed through to get its R rating. 00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:23.759 So it initially received an X rating. 00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:29.440 So they kept like punting it back and cutting more and more from those scenes. 00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:34.720 One specific uh instance is of a graphic sex scene between Julia and Frank. 00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:39.039 They reduced that scene and then were able to secure an R rating. 00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:47.359 But this film did go back and forth, I think five times before it was able to achieve an R rating and actually get released. 00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:52.079 So that's that's kind of what happened, and that's that's kind of the story of how it came to be in game. 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:54.000 I think it'd be like, I wonder how fun that would have been. 00:29:54.160 --> 00:30:01.119 Like you're working with your team on a movie, like, okay, I just sent this little, I sent this like draft or this demo to the to the ratings board. 00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:02.799 Hopefully it gets through, gets sent back. 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:04.319 Okay, we'll skim this and this scene. 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:07.680 Like, I think that'd be kind of fun to like to see what you get away with. 00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:12.720 It would be, but I think it results in a choppy edit. 00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:26.799 Not for Hellraiser, like not for this film, but in general, like you're shaving bits between other bits, and then you're re-sewing that together. 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:31.839 So you're not going to get something that looks like flawless and cohesive. 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.880 You're gonna get something that looks a little choppy. 00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:47.200 In this case, it doesn't, because that the only thing that they really had to like focus on were this the flashback sex scenes, which like those are very, very short, rare, and whatever. 00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:49.839 So I don't think it like had a huge impact on the film. 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:56.160 But I just think it's like the idea that that's what they had to do to get this movie made is like just kind of interesting. 00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:13.359 So I want to wrap here and just say, like, to hear Barker tell it, the popular success of Hellraiser wasn't so much a great leap forward, but a continuation and confirmation of the work he'd been up to in the obscure trenches of short films and theatrical productions. 00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:21.039 He says doing a low budget movie in a house in Cricklewood is the equivalent of the eight quid play. 00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:22.799 I'd go further. 00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:29.039 Low budget movie making is fringe theater, except that you can actually get the audience numbers. 00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:37.680 I always wanted us to get it's what fringe theater claims to be and so often isn't non-elitist populist. 00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:49.920 The reason I almost pulled this specifically because I think it's a beautiful rap on like his Hellraiser story, but I also think it speaks to what you were talking about about obsession. 00:31:50.160 --> 00:32:07.839 Like these low budget films where the director is able to almost unbothered create what is in their head and then garner these like huge numbers and these huge successes is interesting. 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:14.160 I I like that fringe theater example, like that correlation, I think is really cool. 00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:20.960 I I think it just that's just I mean, it came out in the 80s, but we've had strings, we've had uh lots of movies since then. 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:36.319 Um, where as opposed to being a big budget film that has a lot of studio interference, the directors kind of left for the most part to do their own thing and squeeze whatever creativity they can inside of that budget they're given. 00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:39.279 And I think sometimes that can lead to some very, very cool. 00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:46.640 You find out some like cool behind-the-scenes stuff of how they did certain scenes because they were constrained, you know, the budget was only so and so. 00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:48.079 I always like those kind of stories. 00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:54.480 I think they're really, really cool to see what people can do with what they're given in a passion project like this. 00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:55.759 I think you're right. 00:32:55.920 --> 00:33:08.720 I think it's like the less you are able to play with, the more you start to identify areas where you need to be creative in order to achieve the desired result. 00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:18.960 And I

think that for$900,000, obviously$900,000 in 1986 is a lot different than$900,000 now. 00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:19.599 Yeah. 00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:23.519 So I would give Kareem Barker even more kudos uh for that. 00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:30.240 But holy shit, what this guy was able to do with 900 grand for Hellraiser is absolutely amazing. 00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:34.880 And just you're like, you just see, like I noted it a lot in this film. 00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:48.640 Like, not only are the special effects, they're the physical effects coming through on the actors or like the goop and the gore, but it was just the simple stuff, like the floorboards having their nails screwed out and coming apart, or like the walls separating. 00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:55.920 Like it was just really cool the stuff they did to achieve like this otherworldly transformation of the set. 00:33:56.319 --> 00:34:10.320 Yeah, and I think like you said, like it doesn't take place in a lot of locations, and I think some of those locations very much look like a set, but I really liked that insular environment that this movie creates, particularly when she's in the hospital. 00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:26.400 Like, this is like a nondescript, you know, quote unquote hospital, which is just like a one-room set, and what they do with the subway tile and the lighting conveys that there is, like you say, this cosmic element, and that's just lighting. 00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:29.679 So I think think, yeah, they they really stretch it and did a great job. 00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:35.760 Andrew, how do you think Hellraiser was received? 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:38.159 I don't know. 00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:42.159 I'm gonna like uh B minus, C plus. 00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:44.239 What out of 10? 00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:45.440 Speak my language. 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:48.639 Uh out of 10, I was gonna I guess six? 00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:54.480 So on Rotten Tomatoes, it received a 6.8 out of 10. 00:34:55.039 --> 00:35:07.599 The website's consensus reads Elevated by writer-director Clive Barker's fiendishly unique vision, Hellraiser offers a disquieting and sadistically smart alternative to mindless gore. 00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:17.119 On Metacritic, the film was assigned a score of 56 out of 100, very close to what you just said, based on 17 critics indicating mixed or average reviews. 00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:23.840 I personally would give this movie around an eight and a half out of 10. 00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:35.440 For me, when you think of like the greatest movies of all time, like if I have, I don't know about you, I have my top 10 favorite movies of all time, then I have my top 10 favorite horror movies of all time. 00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:39.119 And Hellraiser for me is like almost in there. 00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:45.119 Like, I love this movie, I love re-watching this movie, and I think it's fucking rad. 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:59.280 Yeah, I really I would not put it that high, I don't think, but I no,

but I in all seriousness, I think rewatching a second time has made me like really hold this movie in high regard. 00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:09.760 And like it's funny because it I think this movie gets away with some scenes that contain some some pretty like not so great acting. 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.239 Um, but you're talking about Kirstie. 00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:23.840 Kirstie, especially, is rough at certain parts of this movie, um, especially like her trying to pretend she's drunk was is oh my god, acting. 00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:29.280 Um, I'm sorry to the actress, but that that that brutal that was ridiculous. 00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:35.760 That was like she was like, they were like, pretend to be drunk, and she's like, What does an eight-year-old look like who's learning to walk? 00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:37.360 Like, it didn't make any sense. 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:38.079 Like nothing. 00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:40.000 That was so ridiculous. 00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:43.039 Yeah, but that as a note, like an asterisk. 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:46.800 Yeah, there's just like some scenes, especially with Kirsty. 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:50.239 Um, she she's great when she's screaming and running around. 00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:50.960 That's fine. 00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:51.920 Um, totally. 00:36:52.239 --> 00:37:00.639 But but there's some scenes where it just it gets away with it because it's there's a certain charm to the way this movie's filmed, I think. 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:05.679 Um, but I would give this myself, I would put this on a seven for myself. 00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:07.360 I I really like this movie. 00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:08.000 Yeah. 00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:08.880 Okay, cool. 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:09.280 Fair. 00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:09.760 All right. 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:22.719 So as we mentioned, uh Hellraiser was made for 900 grand and earned a total of 14.6 million in the US and Canada, with a worldwide total of 30 million. 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:28.480 So not the 500 million Obsession made, but 30 times its budget. 00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:35.039 So it was considered obviously hugely successful and spawned seven additional films. 00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:38.960 I think I might what I might do for Halloween. 00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:50.159 I might do like um with Sharon, like uh a nightmare on Elm Street, like the entire series, and I might do the I might do this entire series either on my own or not. 00:37:51.039 --> 00:38:06.480 You know, I know that there are people that love this series, but I started trying to watch what one of them's called like Hellworld, and I started to watch it, and I just had to exit stage left. 00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:17.280 Like I was like, I'm good, and it was I think it was like really early 2000s, so it has that sheen to it, and I just had to leave. 00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:22.719 And I apologize to anyone who likes it, but I just did not like it. 00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:25.199 I think I'm gonna try and watch all of them and I'll get back to you. 00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:27.760 If I have to stop watching, then I'll give I'll give up. 00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:29.519 And that's what oh, you know what, dude? 00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:31.199 I'll I'll commit to this here. 00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:32.719 I'll watch the first three. 00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:34.480 I'll watch number two and three. 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:38.639 Number two is fucking awesome. 00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:45.119 And like if you talk about like Lovecraft and Lovecrafty and horror, it is all that. 00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:48.159 Okay, it is the inverse of this movie. 00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:50.719 Like, this movie very much takes place on Earth. 00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:57.199 That movie very much 80% of it takes place in the universe of the puzzle box. 00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:01.280 So the set design is cool, crazy. 00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:07.519 And like uh the monsters are really, really they're just full of practical effects, really, really interesting. 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:14.639 Number three takes place on Earth, it's called Hell on Earth, and that's where they have like more centibytes. 00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:18.239 But I number three isn't neither here nor there, it's not not outstanding. 00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:23.920 But number two, I would say, is uh really, really, really cool and worth a watch for sure. 00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:28.559 Okay, Andrew, are you ready to get into the bondage of it all? 00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:30.239 Absolutely. 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:35.599 Okay, today Andrew and I are gonna break down this film scene by scene. 00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:41.039 So if you haven't seen it, pause, take a break, and come back and join us. 00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:49.760 So, Andrew, we open with a puzzle box next to a drink, where a man is asked, What's your pleasure? 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:55.119 And he replies, the box, while handing over a wad of cash. 00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:58.960 This man is Frank, played by an extremely handsome Sean Chapman. 00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:00.559 Holy fuck, that guy's hot. 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:05.519 And he has plans for this box, most notably a ritual of sorts. 00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:08.079 As he fumbles with the box in his hand, he opens it. 00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:16.000 As he looks up, he notices light filtering into the I wrote into the abandoned warehouse he lives in. 00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:22.400 But this is indeed the attic room of the home that Larry and Julia eventually move into. 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:33.360 He moves the puzzle box into a different configuration, and this releases several chains that burst through the box and puncture his skin. 00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:37.280 This, yeah, and like a couple things about this sea that I thought was pretty cool. 00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:47.599 Uh, we at the in like the the meeting that seems to be like in a desert location, um, that the guy says the box was always yours when he buys it. 00:40:47.920 -->

00:40:55.119 Um, and I like that because there's you could there's some like lore of the box that maybe it does seek out those with dark desires. 00:40:55.360 --> 00:41:02.719 And I have to note that Frank is like really sweaty in uh when he does this ritual throughout my candles. 00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:04.400 He is very sweaty when he when he does it. 00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:07.199 And I just girl, it's because of do you see those photos? 00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:08.559 That's why he's sweaty. 00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:11.440 Yeah, I like I said I said this earlier. 00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:19.840 I don't think we see uh uh a human Frank in this movie that is not moist, and uh so I just thought that was kind of funny. 00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:32.960 I think it is interesting that this movie completely leaves it up to our imagination of what he wanted with the box and why he seemingly knows how to use the box. 00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:37.119 I think I think two things here. 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:52.639 I think by the time this movie, like I think at this point, I think once Julia sees the photos of Frank and stuff, we come we will come to learn pretty quick that Frank is like a hedonist, hedonist, hedonist? 00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:53.599 Hedonist, yeah. 00:41:53.760 --> 00:42:20.880 Yeah, hedonist that is reached in his mind, probably the like his excitement is gone because he's probably done every form of sexual debauchery, deviancy known to man, and this is why he seeks out this box is that he knows he definitely knows that this is like a way uh uh a realm to unexplored and untapped pleasure and pain. 00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:25.760 Um, but I don't think he truly knows what he's signing up for when he uh when he activates it. 00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:27.280 Yeah, that's true. 00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:35.760 Okay, so we cut to a room with hanging chains, each with various pieces of human flesh stuck to the hooks. 00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:48.719 The floor looks like the floor of a butcher shop, and we're introduced to the Cenobites who search the pieces of human flesh for a face, reconfiguring the box for a mysterious cause. 00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:54.639 I completely actually forgot that we see the cinnabites this early in the film. 00:42:55.039 --> 00:43:00.880 And I gather what they're trying to do is put Frank's face back together. 00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:02.239 Question mark. 00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:04.719 Yeah, this is I was puzzled by this as well. 00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:07.519 Like, we have one of the Cinnabites play in his goop. 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:11.039 Um, and yeah, they put the piece of the face back together. 00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:14.800 I I can't say for what purpose, really. 00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:20.800 The only thing I'll say about I love the spinning pillar with like the stuff nailed to it and the chains. 00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:24.880 Like, I really like this like butcher's shop, if we want to call it that. 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:29.199 Yeah, it's very like Texas Chainsaw Massacre. 00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:33.840 It's so like it's just industrial, it's it's so like cool. 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:44.159 It's such a cool take on like this like realm of pain, and it looks like people have been fucking tortured there, yeah, and like and torn apart. 00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:50.400 And I think we're I think we are looking at various bits and bobs of Frank nailed to these objects. 00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:52.000 So, this is my theory. 00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:58.719 My theory is that they don't tell us why or how, but Frank has obviously escaped, right? 00:43:58.960 --> 00:43:59.840 He has not escaped. 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:01.199 Escaped yet. 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:04.320 But oh, that's true. 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:04.880 Okay. 00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:06.239 Wait. 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:06.880 What? 00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:15.840 Because he he escapes when the blood falls into the room, which allows him to escape and reconstitute himself. 00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:17.920 I don't agree with that. 00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:19.599 You think he's escaped by now at this time? 00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:20.880 I think he's escaped. 00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:21.119 Yeah. 00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:25.039 And that they're trying to like locate him. 00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:25.920 That makes sense. 00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:26.159 Yeah. 00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:29.760 Because why would you why would you underneath the floorboards is where he's escaped. 00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:32.639 Yeah, like underneath the floorboards is where he's escaped, too. 00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:34.719 Subscribe to that notion fully. 00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:37.679 But that's what I like about this movie. 00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:41.440 It's like I don't know why or how Frank escaped. 00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:43.760 And I don't, like you say, it's up to interpretation. 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:46.159 Maybe he hasn't escaped and they're trying to put him back together. 00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:46.639 I don't know. 00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:47.599 It's very humpty. 00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:49.039 Like it's very like. 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:51.280 Okay. 00:44:51.760 --> 00:45:03.360 So we transition to a couple, Larry and Julia, played by Andrew Robinson and Claire Higgins, who entered their new home in the aforementioned who knows where the fuck location. 00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:09.360 And Julia remarks, it smells bad, appearing very unimpressed with the interior. 00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:15.519 We learn that the house has been in Larry's family and that his brother Frank has been using it as a hideout. 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:20.960 It appears Julia doesn't much like it here, but Larry assures her we can make it work here. 00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:23.840 And Julia reluctantly agrees. 00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:29.039 Did you notice, Andrew, that she puts a cigarette right out on the hardwood floor? 00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:30.559 She doesn't give a fuck, man. 00:45:30.639 -->

00:45:31.760 She hates this place. 00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:38.559 And then I think this is a signal to us of what this character is all about. 00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:47.119 Like she doesn't care, and she's very uninterested in the life that she is living. 00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:48.800 That is what I think. 00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:54.880 I have a lot to say about the choices she's made to get where she is right now in this movie. 00:45:55.039 --> 00:46:05.519 Like, once we learn more about her undying lust for Frank, it begs the question why would you have even ever married his brother? 00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:07.440 Why would you even put yourself here? 00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:09.760 Like you're obviously so unhappy. 00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:28.559 Because the thing is, people all the time make this choice between do I want like this stable, reliable man who's going to provide this like house for me, or am I gonna go for this unstable bad boy who's really good at fucking me? 00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:43.280 And so she made a choice, and her choice is I'm going to be locked in this marriage, but just by virtue of this scene, you can tell that she's like really unhappy with that choice and really bored. 00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:46.000 And like he just seems like kind of a like uh Larry. 00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:53.119 Yeah, Larry's kind of like a happy to lucky dork in some ways, and she's like a stone cold bitch. 00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:56.880 Like I don't really understand. 00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:03.519 Like, I understand signing up for something safe, but how did how would you even be a couple at this point? 00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:04.400 I don't know. 00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:19.360 But it also like there are points in this movie where like she does seem oddly like intimate with him, like when his hand is bloody, she wraps it and she holds it. 00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:24.800 It it doesn't seem to me anyway that she's completely checked out. 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:32.079 I don't believe she's happy with this move, but I do think she recognizes Larry as a pretty decent person. 00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:40.480 Because don't forget, Julie at the beginning of this movie, the one we're meeting right now, is a fucking far cry from who we get later. 00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:41.440 Yeah, right? 00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:44.480 Like she goes through a rapid transformation. 00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:47.280 So she wants that, she wants that dick. 00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:55.440 So the couple, so the couple begin to explore the new home separately. 00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:58.239 Larry discovering a kitchen in full decay. 00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:00.719 It appears someone has been here. 00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:08.239 He hears a cry from Julia who's been exploring the upstairs, and it appears Frank has been here. 00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:13.119 So at this point, you know, as the audience, we don't know anything about Julia and Frank, right? 00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:25.440 So Julia seems intrigued,

tossing her bag on the mattress on the floor, and discovering some photos of Frank and various I wrote Mardi Gras photos. 00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:34.079 Like I wasn't sure what exactly they were depicting, but I think it's meant to show you that he is sexually adventurous. 00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:36.960 Yeah, I think this is obviously he's a furry. 00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:43.760 This is these are like the the PG, these are the photos they would allow to show. 00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:56.400 I think it realistically, this probably would have been like his photos of very, very sexually explicit photos of his his forays into his uh his hedonism. 00:48:56.719 --> 00:49:00.000 Like he was just nailing them for real with the furry masks up. 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:01.039 Absolutely, yeah. 00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:03.119 So Frank is a furry. 00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:18.960 Uh no, I I don't think he explored that uh aspect of sexuality, uh, but I think he's into I think Frank is a guy who has tried literally everything, and I think some of that involves a lot of evil. 00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:20.480 Oh yeah. 00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:21.440 And you know what's weird? 00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:28.159 I I don't think these photos like depict anything like evil, but I think they do depict that he is like a little bit peculiar. 00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:28.719 Yeah. 00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:32.320 So Julia, again, audience knows nothing about the relationship. 00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:43.119 Julia is excited by these photos and chooses to save one of Frank for her personal collection, grabbing her purse and exiting the squatter's paradise. 00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:48.480 When asked what she thinks, Julia says, why not? 00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:52.559 And the couple agree to move in on Sunday. 00:49:53.360 --> 00:50:03.119 So as the couple move into their new abode, they hire a couple of movers, and one of them seems to find Julia attractive. 00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:06.159 Fun fact here, I have two things to say about this. 00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:17.679 One, this mover was initially supposed to be played by none other than Doug Bradley himself, who initially wanted to appear on camera as himself rather than in makeup. 00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:32.719 And secondly, Julia really likes the attention from this mover, and she reeks of like both a lack of adventure and craving attention. 00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:36.159 She is a bored housewife, yeah. 00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:42.000 And these movers, they it's almost to a fault playup. 00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:43.760 They're so creepy. 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.440 Like the one that the guy at the front, yeah, it's cheesy though. 00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:52.000 Like the one at the front, he stares with this like slack jaw look on his face. 00:50:52.239 --> 00:51:01.119 Like, not only at not only does he do it with uh Julia, but he does it to Kirsty in a few minutes, and like everyone's just okay with this. 00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:02.079 He's like, ugh. 00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:06.239 Like, they haven't even they're drinking beer, yeah. 00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:09.199 So they have they haven't even brought the mattress up fully yet. 00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:10.880 Like, do you want to get some beers? 00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:12.639 Like, who the fuck are these guys? 00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:14.800 I'm like, uh no mattress first, dude. 00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:15.920 Then we got the beer. 00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:18.480 How about you have beer at your own fucking house? 00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:19.920 Like when you're done the job. 00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:21.599 Like, like, who are these guys? 00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:26.559 I thought, like, they're I thought maybe they might be friends asking for beer, but apparently they're just like random movers. 00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:47.119 I have to say, when you think of horrors like slashes from the 1980s, what these movies tended to do, especially around this time, is their tertiary characters like movers, townsfolk, other characters, they would all act in this way that would pull you out of the film. 00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:51.519 Like these guys, in no way, like it and I'll call attention one particular thing. 00:51:51.760 --> 00:52:00.559 The heavier mover, who's obviously not the central character mover, he's kind of like giggling in the background with his beard, and it's like he's like hamming up the acting. 00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:03.039 Yeah, and it pulls you out of the film. 00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:04.079 They're both terrible. 00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:05.840 It's just yeah, yeah, exactly. 00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:12.000 And I think it takes like Julia to kind of bring you back down, but but that's a very common thing that happened in the 1980s. 00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:19.920 So we're introduced to Larry's daughter, Kirsty, played by Ashley Lawrence, who won't be living with the family. 00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:27.679 Larry asks Kirsty to be gentle with Julia, that she hates moving, and Kirsty responds with surprise. 00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:38.480 So we're immediately introduced to the concept of disdain for a stepparent, and we all know how complicated those relationships can be, Andrew. 00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:44.960 All right, so here's where the uh audience is introduced to Julia and Frank. 00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:58.719 So now we have a flashback to a rainy day back on the eve of Julia's wedding to Larry, where a very wet and unbelievably hot Frank knocks on the door. 00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:04.719 Frank says, I came for the wedding, and Julia lets him into the home. 00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:15.679 But upstairs, Julia enters a dark room, and this room becomes ground zero for the rebirth of her beloved Frank. 00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:22.159 It's in this room where Julia begins to truly relive the night of bliss she had with Frank. 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:28.800 He asks her in the flashback, are you going to let me kiss the bride? 00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:32.000 She asks him, What

about Larry? 00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:46.079 And he completely normally brandishes a switch blade, which seems which seems to excite her even more, using it to slice open her top. 00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:53.280 It appears she hasn't experienced pleasure like this before and succumbs to its grasp. 00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:56.000 The two begin to make love. 00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:59.920 And would you believe it, right on top of her wedding dress. 00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:08.960 She quickly succumbs to her desire, and it just shows you that like she hasn't experienced a force like him before. 00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:14.639 And this permeates like her whole trajectory moving forward. 00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:21.199 As a post-coital Frank departs, Julia says to him, I'll do anything you want. 00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:25.119 So she got some really good dick. 00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:26.320 Yeah. 00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:27.440 Yeah, absolutely. 00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:30.239 I mean, this movie is is a result of that. 00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:31.519 Yeah, yeah. 00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:40.159 So as the flashback plays out, we return to the foyer where Larry has sliced his finger on a nail while moving a mattress. 00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:47.039 And as he enters the room Julia is in, he spills blood upon the floorboards. 00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:53.840 The blood seeps beneath the floorboards where it appears a tiny organism is beginning to form. 00:54:55.199 --> 00:55:01.679 I would say too here, uh, not even seeps like it is directly absorbed, it's sucked into it. 00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:03.760 Yes, that is true. 00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:15.519 I think seep implies it could just naturally fall in between, but like this guy, I think it's obviously done for a bit of an exaggerated effect, but um leaks seemingly like a liter of blood on the floor. 00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:18.320 Um and so true. 00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:20.800 Yeah, it's obviously I think it's done for the effect. 00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:40.159 I know it is, but um you can see like I think it's more that it's that really cool like effects work where you can see the blood being pulled into any crack or nail or hole or slit in the floor, um, as opposed to just like naturally doing what liquid it would do. 00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:43.599 It's like being pulled down, which I liked a lot as effects-wise. 00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:59.280 You know what I also it just occurred to me that this room must be the inverse of the butcher room, and so how he escaped was between the floorboards. 00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:01.039 Yeah, that's actually pretty cool. 00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:04.639 I mean, it is it is the same room, it's just like dimensionally different. 00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:08.239 Yeah, right, but that's not obvious. 00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:18.880 I think two, I I think we get a couple scenes that it does show you that like that butcher's room is this room in that other dimension, though. 00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:27.039 Because it's the same layout, it still has like it's it's uh I know rooms are rooms, I get it, but like four walls and a ceiling and a floor. 00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:38.239 But I think it's meant to be, I do think it's meant to be like that's the place where he is mutilated and and tortured for pleasure, uh, is that room, but in their dimension. 00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:45.039 Like the whatever I'm not gonna I hate to use this reference, but like I think it that room is mirrored into their dimension. 00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:46.239 Yeah, that's what I mean. 00:56:46.320 --> 00:57:07.599 I it just never occurred to me until the second that the way he escaped was but just he was small enough when he was torn apart to whatever essence at the core of whoever Frank is, and I'm not even sure the beings are aware of this, was able to sneak away and exist in our earthly realm. 00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:11.519 I think that's like a really interesting plot point. 00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:13.039 And I think so too. 00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:34.239 And I think one thing I'll say here before we continue on um the the whole the whole what we just talked about, what you just said, Frank, about going over the Julia reminiscing about Frank is interspliced with Larry move trying to move the mattress up the stairs, like it flashes back and really quick back and forth. 00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:45.760 And it almost seems like I I'm curious to see, like, I wonder if like if this was filmed in a more like recent time, if this would have been like a masturbation scene or something. 00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:50.639 I only say that because the scene seemingly ramps up an intensity. 00:57:50.800 --> 00:58:08.000 She it's it's it's about to end while she's being uh while they're having sex, and that's interspliced with Larry's hand, getting closer and closer to the nail, and that part of the memory finishes as he rips his hand open on the nail, and she seems to like be breathing a little faster. 00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:11.199 She's her memory seems to be more intense and she's reminiscent about it. 00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:14.960 So I'm curious if that was kind of the idea for a bit. 00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:18.719 Um, but I just thought that was kind of interesting to remark upon. 00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:27.280 So the floorboards begin to bow and creak, releasing what appears to be pussy formations. 00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:44.880 Two small, narrow, bug-like appendages erupt from the floor and attach themselves to what appear to be a brain, oozing and gooey, creating what appears to be barely a human. 00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:56.000 And what I find interesting here is that it didn't take a lot of blood to move this thing along quite far in its transformation. 00:58:57.199 --> 00:59:03.599 Yeah, the like unless unless he really did leak leak leak a liter of blood in the floor. 00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:13.199 Um but I thought this in the whole movie, this is probably the closest we get to seeing like thing level

practical effects. 00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:30.000 Um you see a lot of like emergence here, a lot of goo, like tissues sliding over other tissues, um, a lot of cool reverse camera work to get the effects of like the rib cage coming together and the head coming together. 00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:33.920 I thought that was like this scene is like so gnarly. 00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:36.559 I I I actually kind of want to rewatch it after this. 00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:37.599 We're done, we're done doing this. 00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:38.800 Yeah, actually that's true. 00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:55.280 And it's funny because like we were talking about this earlier, but like the fact that this is a horror movie, but it has this fly level of special effect in it, I think lends credibility to it and actually makes it far more interesting. 00:59:55.840 --> 01:00:00.960 Because it's not it, it's almost a creature feature, like in some way. 01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:02.320 And I like that. 01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:03.519 I thought that was really interesting. 01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:03.920 Yeah. 01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:09.039 Oh, I think beyond this, we don't we don't explore this again, in my opinion. 01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:14.480 But I think this small scene, and again, could be budget, could be whatever. 01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:32.079 I I just think it was a really cool touch because they could have just started from Frank as you know, that skeletal fleshy being, but they went like the full distance to create this effect, which I thought was really neat. 01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:32.880 All right. 01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:37.920 Later that evening, Julia hears a noise from above and begins to explore. 01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:46.719 She hears whispers coming to a crescendo before going silent as she opens the door to the coital chamber. 01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:48.400 That's what I'm calling it from now on. 01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:49.840 This is what I'm gonna call it. 01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:54.400 So a decaying hand grabs hold of her leg and she cries out. 01:00:54.639 --> 01:01:00.480 The creature calls out her name Julia and asks her not to look at him. 01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:06.159 It asks her for help, and she whimperingly says, Tell me who you are. 01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:12.159 He says it's Frank, that it's really him, and that the blood on the floor brought him back. 01:01:12.639 --> 01:01:19.519 She asks from where, but all he says is, Please, God, just help me. 01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:25.199 Frank says the blood brought him this far, but that he needs more. 01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:41.599 Now, this is where I know I've been making jokes about good dick, but this is where I'm like, how far would I go for this thing? 01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:44.239 Like, this isn't hot Frank. 01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:52.719 This is like, is it in the hopes that this thing will get hot again that sparks her like whole adventure? 01:01:52.960 --> 01:02:06.320 Like, uh maybe it's because she sees like I think this would be the ultimate turn off this this goopy monster, but like uh, like I said, she he looks like a skinless this quote, a skinless hell demon, and she's like, I can fix him. 01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:08.719 Um, I just think it's so funny. 01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:21.360 Like, I think she just came off that super horny dream and that super horny flashback, and she's like, Well, maybe you know he can come back the way he was, and we can bang all the time. 01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:26.239 This is what I would call an investment in a startup. 01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:29.599 Yeah, yeah, that's so true. 01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:36.480 It's like like you gotta believe this will work, but anyway, she she doesn't she doesn't hop on right away. 01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:43.199 Anyway, I did want to tell you that Barker is an outspoken admirer of the Italian gore director Lucio Falci. 01:02:43.519 --> 01:03:02.800 And in such moments as the one that we just talked about, it shows horror is like science fiction, a genre where the makeup effects person can be a matinee star, and Hellraiser elevated Bob Keane to something close to Tom Savini level celebrity. 01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:22.320 It was Keane, who also is in part two or takes part in uh Part 2, who helped create the different skinned Franks, played by actor Oliver Smith, chosen because he was enough of a weedy ectomorph to still appear stripped down beneath built-up layers of heavy makeup. 01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:25.599 So again, we talked about them being different actors. 01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:31.199 Uh, it is Oliver Smith who plays Frank until the end of the film. 01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:44.639 Later that evening, Julia enters the coital chamber and confirms she'll do what it takes to get Frank the bloody requires to reconstruct himself, realizing that yes, he will get hot again and fuck her. 01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:46.159 I don't know why I wrote it. 01:03:50.719 --> 01:04:04.320 Like, this is like this is the thing about this character, Julia, and like she like the evilness to which she subscribes just to get laid by this guy is insane. 01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:06.480 Oh, 100%. 01:04:07.199 --> 01:04:11.360 Like it's true, but at the beginning, she is very hesitant. 01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:16.880 Like, she returns to the attic to let him know that yes, she will do it. 01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:21.760 Like, she had to go think about it, she had to weigh the pros and cons and come back. 01:04:22.159 --> 01:04:22.960 That's really good though. 01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:25.760 Is in hopes that he will get hot again and fuck her. 01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:27.039 That is why she's doing it. 01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:29.360 I'm very happy that she considered it, you know. 01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:30.800 Yeah, she considered it. 01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:37.280 Like, at least, you know, she does have some low level of morality on display here, slightly. 01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:49.440 So now, according to Barker himself, one of

the women on set suggested the film should be titled What a Woman Will Do for a Good Fuck. 01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:52.800 That's awesome. 01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:57.280 That really does kind of like sum up what this entire movie is about. 01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:00.320 Actually, though, like for like a hundred percent. 01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:05.119 None of these, none of the events past Frank disappearing or recon. 01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:10.880 I guess none of the events past his reconstitution would happen if it weren't for Julia. 01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:17.039 No, but also like, isn't she curious why he's like a blob of flesh and bone? 01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:19.679 She just cares about one bone. 01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:24.000 Like, she doesn't really care about that. 01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:27.519 Like, she's not at all curious, and P.S. 01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:31.760 Nobody goes up to this attic but her. 01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:32.159 No. 01:05:32.559 --> 01:05:34.639 That room's not that room is a desk. 01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:42.480 Like, that room looks evil and looks like it's Red of the Evil Dead, and yet everyone's just like, yeah, whatever. 01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:45.360 Like we don't have to go in there, do we? 01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:51.760 Maybe it's one of those projects that you're like, okay, I'll do everything first, and then I'll get to it later. 01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:55.280 Like that, that could be a gore that's at the front of the house. 01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:57.039 Or I think it is. 01:05:57.360 --> 01:05:59.119 It is at the front of the house. 01:05:59.280 --> 01:05:59.519 Yeah. 01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:01.760 Like, I don't know. 01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:06.480 Now, Kirsty, who I just haven't mentioned at all, she's Kirsty. 01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:11.519 Okay, Kirstie is a side dish for the first part of the film, so I just haven't talked much about her. 01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:17.679 She has a bad dream that night of a bloody corpse who turns out to be her father. 01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:20.480 And when she awakes, she calls her dad Larry. 01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:24.880 Larry confirms he's alright, never better, and the two hang up. 01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:37.840 The reason I bring up this seemingly like nothing scene is just to highlight that perhaps Kirstie has some low-level clairvoyance or is in tune with something happening at the house. 01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:52.320 Because it's an odd scene to put in there, and you could throw the scene away and be like, I don't care about it, but I do think it's interesting that she has a premonition of harm being done to her dad, which does happen. 01:06:52.559 --> 01:06:55.599 I also just I really like this aesthetically. 01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:58.079 Like, I think stylistically, I just love this scene. 01:06:58.239 --> 01:07:06.559 I just like that there's like feathers acting kind of like snow, and it's like this white sheet that like it starts to seep with blood. 01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:11.119 I

just think as a one-off scene, I I really liked I really like it. 01:07:11.199 --> 01:07:11.840 I liked it a lot. 01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:12.480 I love the scene. 01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:13.760 Yeah, it's cool. 01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:20.000 So we transition to the next day where Julia is on the hunt for Red October. 01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:21.360 Blood. 01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:23.599 Red October. 01:07:25.360 --> 01:07:42.320 She endures this is so funny to me because I think women do this a lot when confronted by men, but she endures boring conversation and she entices a gentleman back to the home. 01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:50.239 He says it's not often he uh and she says there's a first time for everything. 01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:59.599 The two begin to kiss, she begins to quiver with the realization of what she's about to do to this fellow, but says, Let's go upstairs. 01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:19.680 Now, Andrew, I have hooked up with many a man, and I don't know about you, but if I entered a rat-infested, wallpaper-torn, window-covered, dilapidated piece of shit room like this, I would probably get the fuck out of the house. 01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:37.119 Yeah, I did this is the debate that I think I I had with myself too is like, so this guy is so horny, he allows himself to derbe in a completely desolate, like empty, barren room with no lighting and just a cold wooden floor. 01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:38.319 And rats. 01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:39.439 And rats. 01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:44.399 And I still think there's men that would do that. 01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:46.640 I think like that's I do too. 01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:54.159 I think when I read like the sometimes on Reddit, they'll be like, ask Reddit, like, what's like the stupidest thing you did because you're a horny? 01:08:54.319 --> 01:09:01.760 There's some pretty like people will do will go to lengths, like if they're desperate to get laid. 01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:04.399 They will some people will put up with a lot. 01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:06.720 And he obviously thinks she's like really hot. 01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:11.359 He actually says, he says, This isn't the bedroom, what's going on? 01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:14.720 And she replies, they don't need a bed, do they? 01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:29.439 She's always preferred the floor, and the two it's just funny because like she is so hot to him, and I do actually think that she is an attractive woman. 01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:37.600 Like, I don't necessarily think she's like maybe conventionally attractive, but I think there's something really sexy about this actress. 01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:43.039 But this guy, like you said, will just he's like, Yeah, I guess. 01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:44.720 Yeah. 01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:54.960 So the two begin to kiss right before she bludgeons the poor bastard with a hammer, spilling his blood and feeding the Frank monster. 01:09:56.159 --> 01:10:05.039 So this is Julia's first kill, and she does seem like both exhilarated

and disturbed by it. 01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:06.239 Yeah, you're right. 01:10:06.319 --> 01:10:14.399 Like when she's she's in the bathroom to like clean herself up a little bit, and like we get a shot of the camera that's a dead-on angle of her face. 01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:29.039 Her face is right up against right up the camera, which is meant to be the mirror, and it's a cool um bit of acting, I'd say, to her struggling with the fact that she killed someone, but also like accepting that that's how it is. 01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:34.960 Like, yeah, but we there's a couple scenes here, like you say, like dead shots of her. 01:10:35.119 --> 01:10:45.279 This is why I think she's such a good actor, because this scene, she's like, you can see that there is a thread of morality here. 01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:56.880 Like she like positive morality, like like she she does recognize what she just did was wrong and hard, and she doesn't feel good about it. 01:10:57.039 --> 01:11:02.560 But then part of her is like turned on and excited by it. 01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:04.319 So there's a this is really important. 01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:10.479 Like the bathroom scene that you mentioned is kind of a little bit of a a change here for Julia. 01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:19.760 Yeah, I think it's a great moment, and like it's kind of the turning point for her character, like uh really committing to what she's gonna do going forward. 01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:20.720 Yeah. 01:11:21.520 --> 01:11:28.880 So she returns to the room, she sees the corpse of the man, seemingly deflated and used. 01:11:29.119 --> 01:11:34.239 As an advanced stage, Frank appears in the corner, letting her know it's making him whole again. 01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:39.520 He says to Julia, Come to Daddy, that he wants to touch her. 01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:47.039 And despite his form, she reluctantly agrees, but is interrupted by Larry, who has come home from work. 01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:55.199 This is the other thing that I was kind of like wondering is Larry kind of just pops home. 01:11:55.680 --> 01:12:09.039 So I don't know if he's home early, but she doesn't seem to care that she's bringing men back to the house to be murdered, or that Frank will be discovered in the attic. 01:12:09.199 --> 01:12:14.000 Like, none of this seems to be a concern of hers. 01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:24.319 I'm curious if like maybe I think he did come home early because like she it's the that is a very tight timeline to bring a man home and then your husband shows up like 10 minutes later. 01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:26.479 So I'm gonna guess he popped home. 01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:28.880 Also, Frank's makeup is really good. 01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:33.600 Again, it's seeping with moisture and probably a lot of KY jelly. 01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:36.560 Um, and I wanted to point out my friend made this remark. 01:12:36.640 --> 01:12:38.960 Um, my friend Max, we were watching this the other two. 01:12:39.279 --> 01:12:43.199 Uh, she'd rather help out a literal corpse than sleep with her husband. 01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:52.000 Like, even at this point, she sees goopy Frank and she's like, Yep, this this is this is the right way. 01:12:52.479 --> 01:12:55.840 Might I add, he doesn't look like Frank. 01:12:56.239 --> 01:12:56.560 No. 01:12:57.439 --> 01:13:04.399 Like at this point, even if he started to like slowly resemble him, I just I would be slightly more inclined to murder again. 01:13:04.479 --> 01:13:08.319 But if you look like this fucking dude, I might change my mind. 01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:18.319 I also love too that like he's like, I have to touch you, and it's not like a romantic embrace that he like fondles her breast for a split second, and then Larry comes home. 01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:21.439 Dude, that's more than fucking Larry's been doing to her. 01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:22.800 Like, I guess so, man. 01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:24.079 Jesus. 01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:32.000 So as he ascends the staircase, we see Julia bringing the deflated corpse to the bathroom, pretending to take a shower. 01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:34.399 She says she's feeling sick. 01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:45.359 Julia returns to the coital chamber where Frank tells her he needs maybe one or two more to heal completely, but she protests, saying, not again. 01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:53.600 And I think, like I mentioned before, like I've seen this movie so many times, but I didn't really clock how distraught she actually is. 01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:57.199 And the fact that, like, she doesn't just want to do this again. 01:13:57.520 --> 01:13:59.279 She says no. 01:13:59.439 --> 01:14:00.880 She's like, I can't do it again. 01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:02.640 Like, it was so disturbing. 01:14:02.960 --> 01:14:05.600 I get it, but I can't do it. 01:14:06.079 --> 01:14:13.920 He also tells her it's only a matter of time before the cenobites find him, that he needs to get away from here. 01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:19.119 But their conversation doesn't explore the cenobites. 01:14:19.359 --> 01:14:21.760 Like, yeah, he doesn't say anything. 01:14:22.000 --> 01:14:23.199 Does he say the word cenobite? 01:14:23.279 --> 01:14:25.920 I think it's like he says the cenobites, yes. 01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:27.039 Oh, I thought you said they. 01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:28.560 Okay, so this is no, no, no. 01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:30.239 He says the cenobites, yes. 01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:31.039 That's cool. 01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:45.600 And like, I I again I do I do like that, like she does come across as evil a few times already in this movie, but I think at least at least she's wrestling with the morality of killing again. 01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:56.720 Yeah, she's a little bit disturbed by the fact because I think like thinking of something and doing something are two different things, and the fact that she just did it, now she's thinking about it going, like, holy fuck, I just did that. 01:14:56.800 --> 01:15:03.520 Like, I am a murderous

bitch, yeah, and has like reluctance toward doing it again. 01:15:04.239 --> 01:15:10.159 But of course, this is the other funny thing, too, is like Frank so easily waylays Julia. 01:15:10.319 --> 01:15:20.960 So he assures Julia that they can be together the way they were before, aka backing on that bed, that they belong to each other now. 01:15:21.279 --> 01:15:26.239 And Julia seems to like this idea as she licks his fleshless finger. 01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:26.880 Oh, yeah. 01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:30.239 So it doesn't take much, dude. 01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:45.760 I'm surprised you're not making this connection because your point in obsession was that Nikki would use sex to placate Bear, and this is the same thing. 01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:56.880 The promise of a good time for this woman who hasn't had a good time since probably the last time they got together, is enough to make her go on a murderous rampage. 01:15:57.920 --> 01:15:58.720 It's true. 01:15:59.359 --> 01:16:00.239 That's true, though. 01:16:00.479 --> 01:16:07.840 And I will say in part two, she is dude, you have to watch part two immediately because it carries on her story. 01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:09.359 Anyway, I digress. 01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:12.319 So I don't even know why I mentioned this, but I thought I would. 01:16:12.399 --> 01:16:21.039 So we cut to a pet store where it appears Kirsty is hard at work, but she is interrupted by a seemingly unhoused man eating a handful of crickets. 01:16:21.279 --> 01:16:21.920 Yum. 01:16:22.560 --> 01:16:25.439 She appears disgusted and yells for him to leave. 01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:28.720 As he does, he glares back at her. 01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:36.319 And so when I first watched this movie, I wasn't sure why they popped this scene in. 01:16:36.399 --> 01:16:41.520 And I'm wondering if it's just for us to maintain like a tether to Kirsty as a character. 01:16:41.680 --> 01:16:44.800 But it also makes you wonder like who this man might be. 01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:46.880 Like, is he a guardian angel? 01:16:47.199 --> 01:16:49.199 Is he watching over her? 01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:50.159 Yeah. 01:16:50.319 --> 01:16:51.840 And it's a side quest. 01:16:52.079 --> 01:17:02.960 And it's this, it's a second appearance because um earlier we like again when we do this podcast, obviously that we have little micro scenes that we don't always address. 01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:10.239 But earlier we mentioned how Kirsty was enamored by uh one of the men at that boring ass dinner. 01:17:10.319 --> 01:17:14.720 Um, Kirsty goes on a walk with this guy, it's a one-off scene again. 01:17:14.800 --> 01:17:22.319 I don't think it's that important, but we do see that same homeless man like look at her between this like barn door to like a shed or something. 01:17:22.560 --> 01:17:25.760 Um, so it is his second appearance, and they're like, what the hell? 01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:28.479 Like I was even left wondering, like, what the what's the point of all this? 01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:31.520 So, and then at the end, they kind of bring it home. 01:17:31.600 --> 01:17:33.760 Uh kind of like barely. 01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:38.319 Yeah, it's like in a completely unnecessary, like it's a completely unnecessary. 01:17:38.640 --> 01:17:44.800 I honestly feel like this is like this weird thing to tether us to Kirsty. 01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:55.039 And also, I again want to push on this idea that like there may be something special about her, and that she somehow because this has nothing to do with the puzzle box, right? 01:17:55.119 --> 01:18:00.560 Like, this is she seems to have a connection with forces beyond Earth. 01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:03.840 Well, that's my working theory. 01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:10.479 So we cut back to Julia who hammers the head of another unsuspecting victim to feed her boyfriend. 01:18:10.640 --> 01:18:11.840 And is it me? 01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:18.479 Or is she increasingly becoming more evil and satisfied with every kill? 01:18:18.800 --> 01:18:37.760 And the reason I bring this up is because you juxtapose the bathroom scene with a small scene here where she's all dressed in white, hair slicked back, while she kind of enjoys a drink with Larry, and they do that same eye thing that you mentioned earlier, but there seems to be like a little glimmer in her eye this time. 01:18:38.239 --> 01:18:46.560 Like, not only is she getting used to it, but that she enjoys it, and she's starting to turn more diabolical. 01:18:47.760 --> 01:19:01.680 Yeah, it's in fact, by the time we get to the third kill, it's very matter of fact of her leading the man there and grabbing the the way she grabs the hammer, she's not trembling, she's not, she just grabs it and goes to town on the guy. 01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:06.079 It's like business, she is a serial killer, yeah. 01:19:07.119 --> 01:19:14.640 And she's she at this point, she's very much justified at like, yep, let's do this, let's get this over with so Frank can come back to life and fuck me. 01:19:18.880 --> 01:19:21.520 And mind you, the first thing they do is fuck. 01:19:21.680 --> 01:19:22.880 Yeah, absolutely, yeah. 01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:26.000 And we'll talk about if that's weird, okay. 01:19:26.239 --> 01:19:35.199 So we transition to Frank, who dons a white dress shirt, I'm assuming one of Larry's, smoking a cigarette, saying he can almost taste it. 01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:39.279 Julia says he promised her an explanation. 01:19:39.520 --> 01:19:47.119 So Frank holds up the puzzle box, telling her it opens doors to the pleasures of heaven or hell, and that he didn't care which. 01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:53.760 He says the Cenobites gave him an experience beyond the limits, pain and pleasure. 01:19:54.159 --> 01:20:03.279 And then we kind of flash back to Frank hung upside down in the torture chamber, hooks spilling blood from his body. 01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:07.199 It appears Julia can see this as well, and she gasps. 01:20:07.680 --> 01:20:13.359

Frank says they won't get me back, and Julia assures him they'll never find us. 01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:14.880 Although, how the fuck would she know? 01:20:14.960 --> 01:20:17.439 But she seems really, really certain. 01:20:17.680 --> 01:20:24.159 So we do get a little bit of an answer to the question I asked earlier, which was, what was he doing with the box? 01:20:24.399 --> 01:20:29.600 You gave the explanation that he's trying to push the limits of pleasure and pain, and you're exactly right. 01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:39.039 So somehow he knew, he found out about this, he attained it, and then he was able to explore whatever that was. 01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:49.119 I think the box, in my mind, I think the lament configuration is like it's kind of like the Necronomicon in that sense that it lures people to it as well. 01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:58.159 Like it's not like I think someone like Frank, with like the basic of research, would have found it up with this thing because it would have found its way to him. 01:20:59.039 --> 01:21:02.319 Yeah, and then he went to Egypt. 01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:03.840 Yeah, we don't know. 01:21:04.079 --> 01:21:09.359 We have an undescript undescript, like yeah, desert location, Arabian location, I think. 01:21:09.439 --> 01:21:27.520 So Exorcist does this as well, where it's like, I don't I don't know where it is, but they seem to take place in these like unlike misunderstood foreign lands where you can attain these objects of absolute destruction and then bring them back to wholesome America. 01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:42.000 Whenever you're obtaining like in the 80s and 90s, uh, whenever you're obtaining an artifact of power, you just throw some sand in the background and some cool sandstone archways, and you got yourself an Arabian location like Egypt or something. 01:21:42.720 --> 01:21:43.600 Okay, but you're right. 01:21:43.760 --> 01:21:50.960 I I do think you I do think you have a point though where I do think the box is probably attracted to someone as sadistic as Frank and as evil as Frank. 01:21:51.119 --> 01:21:56.560 And I think too, in this flashback where you we see him, I think he's hanging upside down, bleeding. 01:21:56.800 --> 01:22:01.199 I is it this scene where we kind of see him, he's kind of enjoying it, or is that later? 01:22:01.279 --> 01:22:01.920 Is that the end of the movie? 01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:02.560 I'm trying to forget. 01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:05.680 No, this you are absolutely correct. 01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:15.520 This is to illustrate the fact that the chains are inside of him and he's bleeding, but he's like writhing in pleasure and ecstasy. 01:22:15.920 --> 01:22:17.600 It's both, yeah. 01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:25.279 But I think part of the centibytes is their ability to make like again, like juxtaposed like extreme pleasure with extreme pain. 01:22:25.359 --> 01:22:34.479 So even if he didn't want to experience the pleasure, it's almost like you have no choice because they're inflicting it upon you. 01:22:34.960 --> 01:22:45.359 So it's like I think when he's yeah, I I just think I what I I think though, I think with this realm, the the this this place, I think it wouldn't be that way for everybody, though. 01:22:45.439 --> 01:22:53.520 Like if if if Kirstie or like myself or someone else opened the box and went there, I'd it would probably just feel like torture, like I'd be beating tortured to death. 01:22:53.600 --> 01:23:00.960 Whereas like someone like him who's wired for this, I think it's very much like meant for someone like him. 01:23:01.039 --> 01:23:08.640 Like it's very much like he loves the the pain is arousing, it is sexually gratifying for him in this in this realm. 01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:12.399 Whereas I just don't think that would be the same way for everybody. 01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:21.840 No, no, I absolutely later when we have Pinhead, he says we're angels to some, demons to others. 01:23:23.279 --> 01:23:23.600 Okay. 01:23:24.560 --> 01:23:30.000 So, you know, I mentioned earlier that like, you know, this is probably been going on for like one to two weeks, I'm guessing. 01:23:30.079 --> 01:23:34.239 And like Larry like has never entered this room. 01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:37.840 And and somehow, like, it just like it's just like a rat. 01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:44.800 They haven't even addressed the rat problem in the house, which I actually think is the most unbelievable part. 01:23:45.039 --> 01:23:56.399 Like, if I had to believe that a box could bring me to a cosmic dimension, I would have an easier time believing that than someone not addressing their rat problem in their attic for like two weeks. 01:23:56.720 --> 01:24:02.319 Yeah, I just would not like that house, is like when we see the house in disrepair, it's like pretty gross. 01:24:02.479 --> 01:24:07.760 I know they I know they clean it up and stuff, but that's the thing, is like no one like barely, yeah. 01:24:07.840 --> 01:24:09.279 It's like barely cleaned up. 01:24:09.600 --> 01:24:16.159 And I I no one would be okay with the amount of rats that are in the I know, yeah. 01:24:17.039 --> 01:24:23.119 So he does hear a noise upstairs, and he says, We'll go together. 01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:29.760 So Julia, like obviously, she pleads with him suspiciously, saying she hates the thunder. 01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:42.079 And as the two enter the room, they find nothing but the existing rat infestation, two of whom are pinned to the wall with nails, and they decide to do nothing about it. 01:24:42.319 --> 01:24:52.319 So the way that Julia dissuades Larry from going into the room is by placating him with sex, yeah. 01:24:53.119 --> 01:25:00.479 And this is like a cra- it's just funny as we've been doing obsession and then this film, like how much of a theme that has become. 01:25:01.119 --> 01:25:17.920 And I don't even think like Julia only wants to use it enough to make Larry divert his attention, but then his response to that is he wants to

make love to Julia, like submitting to her advances. 01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:38.560 I actually like it's it's kind of sad, like this whole the whole scene of them like her trying to stop him going up to the to the attic, or like you almost get some look into their marriage for a brief little period here, because like we get very limited dialogue exchange with these two in the movie. 01:25:38.640 --> 01:25:41.920 Yeah, it's like very much quick exchanges of task. 01:25:42.239 --> 01:25:50.079 Whereas, like, this is like you can see how maybe he was charmed by her, like she's using a nice voice with him for the first time. 01:25:50.319 --> 01:25:56.640 She's like, please, like she's like she's talking to him like a partner might talk, like a wife might talk to a husband, and vice versa. 01:25:56.960 --> 01:26:27.840 And it's kind of for me, it's just it's kind of sad because like Larry's is just like this, he's just this oblivious to the the person he's married to, and like the the way that she clearly does is not in love with them, and like it's just like sad that you can almost see a glimpse here of maybe when they first met it was nice like this, only for her to really be using this to not to like not go in that room. 01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:32.960 But it's funny because like you said, like when Larry hears a noise upstairs, like what is Frank doing? 01:26:33.119 --> 01:26:33.520 Who knows? 01:26:33.680 --> 01:26:35.439 And why wouldn't they just assume it's the rats? 01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:35.920 Who knows? 01:26:36.079 --> 01:26:38.319 We actually we actually see what he's doing. 01:26:38.960 --> 01:26:39.920 What is he doing? 01:26:40.079 --> 01:26:47.439 For some reason, Frank is walking back and forth, like running back and forth, like he's doing like like like laps or something. 01:26:47.920 --> 01:26:48.880 He's impatient. 01:26:49.119 --> 01:26:51.600 Yeah, he's like he's like pacing back and forth. 01:26:51.840 --> 01:26:53.279 He wants to ascend. 01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:55.520 Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. 01:26:55.760 --> 01:27:07.439 So, okay, so as Larry and Julia sort of begin to make love, an angry Frank emerges from the closet with his trusty switchblade, slicing open a rat. 01:27:08.159 --> 01:27:16.640 Julia cries, she can't bear it, and Larry stops saying he just doesn't understand her for departing the bedroom. 01:27:17.359 --> 01:27:23.520 So I don't think Frank wants her making love with anyone else but Frank. 01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:26.079 That is what I took from that moment. 01:27:26.800 --> 01:27:45.520 Yeah, this this scene is there's a couple of disturbing things here from like my point of view, and maybe when so Julia I'll just say, like, Julia starts protesting, she sees Frank, and she's on her back, and we have Larry over her kissing her neck or something like that. 01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:55.760 I think it's very tame, but she's only looking at the closet, and as Frank emerges with the blade in his hand, uh she starts saying no. 01:27:56.960 --> 01:27:59.760 Now, I don't know if this is this no was meant. 01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:15.039 For just the audience or like her internal monologue, but if it's saying out loud, I I do find it kind of like weird that like Larry is not changing behavior or anything while she's saying no a few times. 01:28:15.520 --> 01:28:17.439 And then read it like that. 01:28:17.840 --> 01:28:21.600 I didn't either, I don't, I don't think like I said, I think this is a stylistic choice to like present. 01:28:21.920 --> 01:28:22.800 I do too, 100%. 01:28:23.279 --> 01:28:25.359 Because she says no, I can't bear it. 01:28:25.439 --> 01:28:26.800 I can't stop. 01:28:27.439 --> 01:28:28.960 Whatever this is, is like something. 01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:36.000 This is a moment where I think she's breaking and realizing like holy fuck. 01:28:36.239 --> 01:28:36.479 Yeah. 01:28:36.720 --> 01:28:38.079 What is going on? 01:28:38.399 --> 01:28:44.960 It is super sad for Leary and also a little bit fucked up of Frank. 01:28:45.600 --> 01:28:48.079 Well, yeah, his whole life is fucked up. 01:28:48.640 --> 01:28:55.600 But the thing is, like, she doesn't, it's so weird because she doesn't really know Frank. 01:28:57.039 --> 01:28:58.640 No, she's as a person, no. 01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:02.640 She's she only knows him for like, and there are people that exist that way. 01:29:02.720 --> 01:29:06.000 Like, she they it's for her, it's been carnal desire. 01:29:06.079 --> 01:29:09.920 Like, it's not like they've had to live together and get groceries and sort out bills. 01:29:10.079 --> 01:29:16.800 Like, like she with him lives in this, she can live in a fantasy land, and that's what that's what keeps her going on this murderous spree. 01:29:17.359 --> 01:29:30.720 But it's interesting because like she sees him cut open a rat with this switchblade and somehow finds this acceptable behavior. 01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:32.319 Like she doesn't know him. 01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:32.800 I don't know. 01:29:32.880 --> 01:29:45.680 I just I just found that I found the scene actually really odd more than I found it uh like interesting or related to the plot in any way, but that's just my own thought. 01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:56.239 Yeah, I think it's I think it's maybe just to show us Frank's possession over his playthings, you know, over these people that he has like complete power over. 01:29:56.560 --> 01:29:57.439 Yeah, exactly. 01:29:57.520 --> 01:29:58.319 That's his life. 01:29:58.479 --> 01:29:59.520 You're right, exactly. 01:29:59.840 --> 01:30:05.840 Because we're gonna see later how quickly he is willing to discard someone when something new comes around. 01:30:06.399 --> 01:30:15.119 So, as Julia brings another bow home to beloved Frank, it appears Kirstie is outside and is a witness to her transgression. 01:30:15.279 --> 01:30:23.920 It's interesting because this time, as she brings the man upstairs, she doesn't even feign interest, but gets right down

to business. 01:30:24.319 --> 01:30:33.600 As she attempts to swing the old hammer, Frank intervenes to complete the kill, puncturing the man's neck with his bare hands. 01:30:33.920 --> 01:30:38.880 Yeah, and this is I I like this for I like the not irony. 01:30:38.960 --> 01:30:47.680 I love I love what this means to Kirsty and versus what the audience knows is like from Kirstie's eyes, she probably thinks that Julia's just cheating on her dad. 01:30:47.840 --> 01:30:50.399 Whereas like it's so much worse than that. 01:30:50.720 --> 01:30:59.760 Like Julia's bringing these guys home to be murdered and siphoned, blood siphoned by Frank. 01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:02.079 Uh like, why would you think that? 01:31:02.399 --> 01:31:09.920 It's just like it's just she's like, she's a cheating bitch, but really she's like a blood succubus feeding bitch. 01:31:10.159 --> 01:31:11.760 Yeah, it's just cheater. 01:31:12.159 --> 01:31:15.840 I mean, she's gonna soon find the truth out here, but uh yeah, yeah. 01:31:16.079 --> 01:31:25.840 So she gains entry into the house, Kirsty, ascends the stairs, and is greeted by the bloated suitor, consumed by the succubus. 01:31:26.159 --> 01:31:34.239 It asks her for help, but is pulled away by her dear Uncle Frank, who tells her it's Uncle Frank, and shows, you know what's so weird? 01:31:34.479 --> 01:31:38.159 I am an Uncle Frank in this so fucking bizarre. 01:31:38.319 --> 01:31:42.479 But anyway, so Uncle Frank shoves her into the attic room. 01:31:42.640 --> 01:31:49.760 She says, This isn't happening, but he tells her not to kid herself, that some things have to be endured. 01:31:50.159 --> 01:31:59.680 Instead of falling prey to her uncle, she punctures his weak, fleshy stomach with her hand before grabbing the puzzle box and tossing it out the window. 01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:04.239 This distracts Frank just enough for her to escape the chamber. 01:32:04.560 --> 01:32:09.359 As she flees the house, she grabs the puzzle box and takes it with her. 01:32:09.600 --> 01:32:12.880 So now Frank is boxless. 01:32:13.439 --> 01:32:20.880 Yeah, and like this scene, this scene has some more disturbing undertones than Oh, yes. 01:32:21.119 --> 01:32:28.159 Like, so uh one thing that's essential to note here is that Frank says to Christy, come to Daddy. 01:32:28.319 --> 01:32:28.800 Oh yeah. 01:32:28.960 --> 01:32:32.000 Uh, it's his iconic line that he uses on his lovers. 01:32:32.239 --> 01:32:42.000 Um, we know he says it to Julia, and here he has her pressed up against the wall, and he's basically like has his face in her face, sniffing her and stuff. 01:32:42.319 --> 01:32:49.520 And I, in my opinion, I have no doubt he might be going to like force himself on her in this scene. 01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:58.239 Um, but then the puzzle box completely snaps him out of this like thirsty fucking attack. 01:32:58.479 --> 01:33:00.399 Um, and he's that's when he freaks out. 01:33:00.479 --> 01:33:05.199 It's like, no, don't, you know, he freaks, and then she throws out the window and she's you want the box, go get it, whatever. 01:33:05.600 --> 01:33:14.079 You know what's weird too, is I also feel like not only that, but that he was also going to consume her in order to like complete his transition. 01:33:14.319 --> 01:33:17.119 I think that I think, yeah, I think it was like a two for one for him. 01:33:17.600 --> 01:33:18.159 Yeah, totally. 01:33:18.399 --> 01:33:19.279 And twofer. 01:33:20.720 --> 01:33:21.600 A twofer. 01:33:22.079 --> 01:33:26.319 And it's the come to daddy line is very important for later. 01:33:26.560 --> 01:33:31.600 Uh, because we're gonna it it it lets Kirsty know in a later scene. 01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:36.960 So Kirsty awakes in a hospital having fainted outdoors after the run-in with Frank. 01:33:37.199 --> 01:33:39.520 She says she has to call her father. 01:33:39.760 --> 01:33:46.640 The doctor pulls the box from his pocket and asks her if she knows anything about it, that the police will want to speak with her. 01:33:47.199 --> 01:33:58.560 Uh, she begins toying with the box, and small electrodes emerge forth before the box migrates to another formation and opens what appears to be a portal. 01:33:59.600 --> 01:34:04.720 She enters a narrow hallway where she hears cries in the distance. 01:34:04.960 --> 01:34:24.560 And like I said earlier, spoiler, if you like anything about this scene, the fact that there is like a portal, a hallway, another dimension, part two heavily explores the totality of what that actually looks like beyond just this hallway. 01:34:24.880 --> 01:34:27.279 And so, if you're interested, you should definitely check it out. 01:34:27.439 --> 01:34:28.880 Yeah, it's well reviewed on IMD. 01:34:29.119 --> 01:34:29.680 I'm gonna watch it. 01:34:29.920 --> 01:34:31.119 I'm gonna watch it like if I can't watch it. 01:34:31.520 --> 01:34:33.840 Tonight, I'm gonna watch it next week for sure. 01:34:34.239 --> 01:34:37.439 So she continues down the dark hallway. 01:34:37.600 --> 01:34:42.720 She sees a giant humanoid creature at the end of the hall and it begins to chase her. 01:34:43.119 --> 01:34:53.439 This creature reminds me so much of creatures from Nightmare Elm Street in the Mouth of Madness and other like 80s like creature features that you can see. 01:34:53.600 --> 01:34:54.960 This is an Aldra to Bombs. 01:34:55.439 --> 01:34:56.800 Yeah, a hundred percent. 01:34:56.960 --> 01:34:57.439 Yeah. 01:34:57.680 --> 01:35:05.840 And what's really cool here is like, really quick, just from a funny thing, is you can actually see the wheels of the um apparatus this thing is on, like for the effects. 01:35:05.920 --> 01:35:08.479 Like you can see the the cartwheels on the ground. 01:35:08.560 --> 01:35:09.439 It's kind of funny. 01:35:09.680 --> 01:35:12.399 Oh, I did I need to see that again. 01:35:12.479 --> 01:35:20.079 You can definitely tell it is a human in a suit, and the head of the demon is like an appendage at their

waist. 01:35:20.239 --> 01:35:20.479 Yeah. 01:35:20.640 --> 01:35:30.000 But um, so wait, so she does she does manage to narrowly escape this hungry demon for now and attempts to use the box to make it disappear. 01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:49.680 What she does end up doing is exploring another configuration, which appears to unleash the Cenobites: the chatterer, pinhead, butterball, and the female Cenobite, whom in the novella is called Deep Throat, which I thought was hilarious. 01:35:49.920 --> 01:35:50.560 Yeah. 01:35:51.359 --> 01:35:58.479 And it is not a sexual pun, it is because her throat is pulled open to expose esophagus. 01:35:59.119 --> 01:36:02.399 Hers, it just looks so painful. 01:36:02.640 --> 01:36:06.000 I know, and when she talks, it appears painful. 01:36:06.079 --> 01:36:10.880 And in my opinion, we don't get enough of these cinnabytes at all. 01:36:11.039 --> 01:36:14.000 Like we get two lines from her, and that's it. 01:36:14.159 --> 01:36:16.319 And she does not come back for part two. 01:36:16.960 --> 01:36:17.680 Oh, really? 01:36:17.920 --> 01:36:18.800 That's a shame. 01:36:19.199 --> 01:36:20.479 I know, this is great. 01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:25.840 So Pinhead tells Kirstie, you opened it, and we came. 01:36:26.479 --> 01:36:27.359 Iconic line. 01:36:27.920 --> 01:36:35.119 Yeah, he tells her, as aforementioned, they are demons to some, angels to others. 01:36:36.079 --> 01:36:41.680 He goes on to say that because she summoned them, she must taste their pleasures. 01:36:42.319 --> 01:36:48.399 Kirstie cries out to them, asking if they've done this to a man named Frank Cotton. 01:36:48.720 --> 01:36:53.920 She tells them that he escaped them, that she's seen him, that he's alive. 01:36:54.399 --> 01:36:58.640 Her plan is to lead the Cenobites to Frank in place of herself. 01:36:58.960 --> 01:37:08.319 And Pinhead does say he wants to hear Frank confess, but if she cheats them, they'll tear her soul apart. 01:37:08.640 --> 01:37:13.199 And what I find what I find really cool with this is that they didn't know he escaped. 01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:16.800 No, when she first suggested No, he escaped. 01:37:17.199 --> 01:37:17.680 Yeah, like so. 01:37:17.760 --> 01:37:24.479 Like I like, I like that these Cenobites are not these like omnis omniscient um beings. 01:37:24.560 --> 01:37:41.520 Like they they obviously exist in a physical realm, they obviously have physical limitations themselves because they did not know that Frank escaped until like because um Pinhead at first denies that he escaped and then she like quickly convinces him otherwise. 01:37:41.680 --> 01:37:46.960 Um, and I just like that like she's making a deal like with them. 01:37:47.119 --> 01:37:52.239 Like I I really like this part, like that they are willing to listen to her briefly. 01:37:52.399 --> 01:37:53.279 Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:37:53.439 --> 01:37:55.600 And I also too I love the line here. 01:37:55.680 --> 01:37:57.520 Um, Pinhead gets very few lines. 01:37:57.600 --> 01:37:59.840 I think it's another iconic line. 01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:05.359 I just um he says, please no tears, they're a waste of good suffering. 01:38:05.680 --> 01:38:12.640 And I think it's an awesome, like metal as hell line um from Pinhead here. 01:38:12.720 --> 01:38:24.800 And like his the dialogue he does get to play with uh in this movie, so many some really iconic and cool lines here, and the gravitas with which he says them. 01:38:24.960 --> 01:38:34.479 I noticed earlier he said, like, you know, he the makeup to do the talking, the uh the the the costume, but his delivery with his voice is fantastic. 01:38:34.720 --> 01:38:35.439 Oh 100%. 01:38:35.760 --> 01:38:37.840 Yeah, he does he does an amazing, amazing job. 01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:42.399 And also I have a small sorry, I have a small nitpick here. 01:38:43.119 --> 01:38:55.359 The ease in which, so we learn here that obviously this box, we talked about this earlier, the different configurations will open up different realms or different pockets, whatever you want to call them. 01:38:55.680 --> 01:39:07.279 I find it interesting the ease in which she plays on a configuration and the Eldritch monster just kind of disappears. 01:39:07.439 --> 01:39:17.760 Like the the ease in which she's able to configure this box in order to do whatever she needs to do, I find a little too easy. 01:39:18.079 --> 01:39:19.600 That's my only nitpick. 01:39:19.840 --> 01:39:20.560 I do too. 01:39:20.640 --> 01:39:22.399 Like it literally is a puzzle box. 01:39:22.560 --> 01:39:33.840 And I think that I think there could have been there's in a story, anyways, if this was like in a book, you could probably have a ton of lore on how this thing works. 01:39:34.239 --> 01:39:40.560 And I know you said, like, I know we watched in in the in the remake, we actually get more lore on those configurations, which I love. 01:39:40.800 --> 01:39:49.680 Um, but I think for the ease of simplicity to make this movie happen, because we still have the third act to like we're entering the third act with this scene. 01:39:49.920 --> 01:39:53.279 Um I think it's just for ease of access to the movie. 01:39:53.359 --> 01:40:00.960 I I think you can't spend too much time here, otherwise the movies, the movie length would would be longer, but maybe it would have been worth it. 01:40:01.039 --> 01:40:01.439 I don't know. 01:40:01.600 --> 01:40:09.039 I think maybe Kirsty somehow maybe even having a scene to show why she's so naturally in tune with the Lament configuration. 01:40:09.359 --> 01:40:22.239 Um dude, I have a hard time with Chinese checkers, and she's like like doing like massively like sophisticated configurations to open and close portals. 01:40:22.399 --> 01:40:22.880 I also love it. 01:40:22.960 --> 01:40:24.640 But I I digress. 01:40:24.880 --> 01:40:25.760 I also love too. 01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:39.199 I think I read somewhere that um with the budgets that they had, they had they

constructed several boxes in the different configurations simply because the box itself defies physics with some of its configurations, right? 01:40:39.439 --> 01:40:41.920 I I read that um that they had to be careful. 01:40:42.239 --> 01:40:53.680 I think I read that they had to be careful with these boxes on set because like they only had so many, they were they were like kind of hard to make, and due to budget, they couldn't just like trash these boxes, so like they had to keep care of them. 01:40:53.920 --> 01:40:54.319 Oh my god. 01:40:54.399 --> 01:40:59.359 In part four, they use CGI, and it is a fucking wreck, anyway. 01:40:59.600 --> 01:41:11.840 For the boss, okay, yes, they uh they do, yes, and that's how they're able to do like more sophisticated configurations, but it looks like a picture like early 2000s, I think it's like late 90s, early 2000s, but it's horrific. 01:41:12.000 --> 01:41:16.239 I just watched it today, actually, so it's fresh on the brain how silly it was. 01:41:16.720 --> 01:41:27.760 Okay, so Larry does arrive home, and we cut to a heeled hand gracing Julia's face, leaving a trace of blood. 01:41:28.319 --> 01:41:37.199 And we are meant to assume that Larry was indeed murdered, and Frank has been able to make a full recovery. 01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:57.520 So I don't want to skim over this, but essentially we don't see Frank's face here, but the reaction of the hand on Julia's face is the dead giveaway that indeed they have achieved their goal of killing Larry. 01:41:57.760 --> 01:41:58.319 Yeah. 01:41:59.439 --> 01:42:05.439 Yeah, he's like he's she's like she he strokes her face, and but she's like so into it. 01:42:05.680 --> 01:42:08.000 Oh, she's super in it, and it's bloody. 01:42:08.239 --> 01:42:13.680 Yeah, it's yeah, and then she's I think she finds that even hotter, like the blood mixed with like they're gonna bang. 01:42:13.840 --> 01:42:14.399 Like, I don't know. 01:42:14.560 --> 01:42:15.359 I think it's true. 01:42:15.439 --> 01:42:30.720 I think she like we say we talk about this like trajectory of her character, she really has come full circle to become like a diabolical, demonic, serial killing, sex-crazed human. 01:42:31.119 --> 01:42:37.119 Like, she really has been unlocked or corrupted, or whatever you want to call it. 01:42:37.359 --> 01:42:49.520 And it's funny because the two, despite being worried about the police, Andrew, they make, finally make sweet, hot, loving. 01:42:51.119 --> 01:42:55.279 Do we see, do we not see his face here once they make love? 01:42:56.159 --> 01:42:58.720 They we only see the back of his head. 01:42:59.039 --> 01:43:00.800 It's only when Kirsty shows up, right? 01:43:00.960 --> 01:43:01.680 Yes, exactly. 01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:07.920 But in but that's the but the scene where they're making love, we still don't know. 01:43:08.159 --> 01:43:15.920 Like, I guess this whole thing is to teat to tell us that, like, yes, Frank is fully formed, but we never see Frank's

face. 01:43:16.239 --> 01:43:18.560 But she finally gets fucked. 01:43:18.880 --> 01:43:23.279 And it's like like all her hard work, like this scene is so important. 01:43:23.439 --> 01:43:30.479 It's like after all of the hard blood, sweat, and tears, she's like, fuck the police. 01:43:31.039 --> 01:43:36.479 I really need to get it in because I have worked so fucking damn hard for this. 01:43:36.640 --> 01:43:38.159 You're gonna fuck me now. 01:43:38.399 --> 01:43:45.520 Yeah, I like that like it's it's clearly like the very first thing they would probably get to as soon as Frank reconstituted himself. 01:43:45.840 --> 01:43:53.119 And probably through Julia's head is like, okay, I did kill three people, but this is worth it. 01:43:53.279 --> 01:43:54.880 This is very much worth it. 01:43:55.199 --> 01:44:04.479 Now, I'm going to move on, and then I have some questions about something. 01:44:04.880 --> 01:44:05.199 Okay. 01:44:06.159 --> 01:44:14.960 Kirstie rushes to her father's home, calling for him to let her in, but is instead greeted by her evil stepmother Julia. 01:44:15.279 --> 01:44:22.399 Kirsty demands she wants to see her father, and Julia replies, of course, letting her inside the house. 01:44:22.640 --> 01:44:32.800 When Kirstie heads upstairs, she is greeted by her father, who assures her everything is okay, that Julia told him everything. 01:44:33.520 --> 01:44:42.880 Now, it is important to note here that he has a full-on bloody trail surrounding his face, which she doesn't comment on. 01:44:43.119 --> 01:44:53.039 But my question to you is it is now clear that this is Frank with Larry's face on him. 01:44:54.079 --> 01:44:55.920 What is going on? 01:44:56.640 --> 01:45:05.600 So I'm gonna I I originally I originally thought that when Frank was reconstituting himself, he would just eventually reform into his old body. 01:45:05.920 --> 01:45:13.760 But it's very clear that he's just directly taking parts of these people to reform himself. 01:45:14.000 --> 01:45:20.560 So I think there is never I don't think there was ever a world where Frank was gonna be able to get his old skin back. 01:45:20.720 --> 01:45:37.039 Like I think he his muscles and stuff reconstituted, that's fine, but he he he's taking from these bodies directly, and he had to take the skin, and obviously kill his brother, but take the skin off of Larry. 01:45:37.119 --> 01:45:41.680 He's wearing it his entire all his skin that you're seeing is Larry's skin suit. 01:45:41.920 --> 01:45:44.239 And I find that super disturbing. 01:45:44.319 --> 01:45:50.399 Like I found it really gross too, like the line, the clear line of the face mask he's wearing that's even at the back of his head. 01:45:51.119 --> 01:45:52.000 So clever. 01:45:52.239 --> 01:45:53.520 Can I ask you something? 01:45:53.680 --> 01:45:54.319 Yeah. 01:45:54.640 --> 01:45:59.920 Do you think Julia was aware that he was doing that? 01:46:00.159 --> 01:46:00.800 No, no. 01:46:00.880 --> 01:46:06.880 I

think I I don't I almost wish actually, no, I don't almost wish. 01:46:07.039 --> 01:46:07.520 I do wish. 01:46:07.600 --> 01:46:08.479 I remember thinking this. 01:46:08.560 --> 01:46:18.079 I wish we had a scene where we see her see him for the first time as the Larry Frank, like that version of him. 01:46:18.239 --> 01:46:19.600 And I just her response. 01:46:20.000 --> 01:46:21.920 Be utterly fucking disgusted. 01:46:22.159 --> 01:46:30.239 Yeah, like it's like you promised me, because let me tell you, I try and be objective about people's looks. 01:46:30.399 --> 01:46:31.920 I swear I do. 01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:39.600 I try not to categorize people, and I just accept that everyone is unique and interesting in their own way. 01:46:39.840 --> 01:46:54.000 Having said that, when you look at Frank and you look at Larry, and I was promised Frank, but I got Larry, I would be fucking like mortified. 01:46:54.319 --> 01:46:57.600 Yeah, I'm like, sorry, and it's my husband that I don't like. 01:46:57.840 --> 01:46:59.119 There's so many layers to this too. 01:46:59.199 --> 01:47:10.399 Like, yeah, it's like when you like when you want to be with someone that way, like you want to sex someone, the yeah, the the skin and the physicality is like almost number one there. 01:47:10.479 --> 01:47:13.279 It's gonna be in the top three reasons why you're with them. 01:47:13.680 --> 01:47:26.640 And to not only not get the guy that you remember, the person you remember, like you picture this fantasy, this hot fantasy of this person, but then it's not only that, but it's your husband. 01:47:26.800 --> 01:47:30.319 Like it's it's like it's like your ex you're disgusted with. 01:47:30.479 --> 01:47:34.079 Like, it's not just a random person, it's like, oh, it's like my ex. 01:47:34.159 --> 01:47:40.079 I have to like, I know it's the person I want underneath, but it's my ex's skin. 01:47:40.560 --> 01:47:41.680 Like, you know what I mean? 01:47:41.760 --> 01:47:46.479 Like, you just be like, Hey man, love is love, love isn't love isn't skin deep. 01:47:46.800 --> 01:47:49.920 Like, what that's the lesson of the movie, ultimately, correct? 01:47:50.079 --> 01:47:58.000 Yep, I think that is the ultimate lesson is that lust and love do go beyond the, you know, don't judge a book by its cover, guys. 01:47:58.239 --> 01:48:01.680 No, like really get to know, get to know someone. 01:48:02.159 --> 01:48:07.439 So Kirsty tells Larry his brother is upstairs and that he's going to kill him. 01:48:07.600 --> 01:48:12.239 But Larry assures her it's finished now, that he's gone. 01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:20.159 Kirsty seems mildly placated by this, but also in severe disbelief, saying she needs to see him. 01:48:20.479 --> 01:48:24.479 Larry agrees and gestures to Julia to show her. 01:48:24.800 --> 01:48:33.039 And as the two enter the coital chamber, we get a glimpse of a smoking, bloodied corpse on the floorboards. 01:48:33.760 --> 01:48:41.279 Ever the cunning Julia locks Kirsty in the room, and soon we are visited by the Cenobites once again. 01:48:41.600 --> 01:48:45.600 Pinhead says, We want the man who did this. 01:48:46.560 --> 01:48:51.279 Kirstie exits the chamber, calling to her father, they have to get out of here. 01:48:51.520 --> 01:48:55.600 Before he creepily says back, come to daddy. 01:48:56.560 --> 01:49:07.039 It's in this sentence that she quickly realizes this ain't her dad, but rather Frank wearing the skin of her father. 01:49:07.600 --> 01:49:19.439 As he approaches Kirsty to make short work of her with his switchblade, he instead knifes Julia in her gut, murdering her, telling her it's nothing personal, baby. 01:49:20.079 --> 01:49:21.199 And she's toast. 01:49:21.840 --> 01:49:23.439 Why did he kill Julia? 01:49:24.079 --> 01:49:29.119 I you you have to, I think if we look at this one of two ways, okay. 01:49:29.359 --> 01:49:34.640 We can believe Frank from earlier, who said we belong together, that kind of thing. 01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:44.960 Uh, or you we could say he's just I think he is in such a pursuit of sexual experiences. 01:49:45.119 --> 01:49:47.840 I don't think he's in pursuit of human connection. 01:49:48.479 --> 01:49:59.439 And so despite Julia doing all this shit for him, and I think maybe this is an allegory for you know some married married men out there or men out there. 01:50:00.159 --> 01:50:09.199 Is like this one girl literally murders, becomes a serial killer for this guy, is quickly discarded for the hot new thing on the block, right? 01:50:09.279 --> 01:50:14.159 It's it's Kirsty's younger, she's supple, you know what I mean? 01:50:14.239 --> 01:50:17.760 Like to in his mind, he's oh, you think it's for that reason? 01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:19.680 I I absolutely think that. 01:50:19.760 --> 01:50:23.840 I think he's like he can absolutely discard he can in his mind. 01:50:24.159 --> 01:50:26.159 I don't think he ever cared about Julia, man. 01:50:26.239 --> 01:50:34.720 I think she was a means to an end, and he'd obviously happily fuck her, but I think he is in pursuit of something new. 01:50:34.800 --> 01:50:38.239 He was never gonna settle in with Julia and keep just to her. 01:50:38.399 --> 01:50:39.680 That was the thing. 01:50:39.920 --> 01:50:42.479 I am built so different than that guy. 01:50:42.720 --> 01:50:46.319 I think most I think 99% of the population is. 01:50:46.880 --> 01:51:04.720 Like, I think if we really if you really if you really think about the the limits of like what would be possible uh in in Frank's character, for him to have gone to the puzzle box means I'm like, I think he has sought out all manners of sexual experience. 01:51:05.039 --> 01:51:13.359 So I think he's perpetually like even now he's maybe he he has a new lease on life, he's still after it. 01:51:13.439 --> 01:51:16.880 Like he doesn't he's not appreciative of the fact that he's alive again. 01:51:16.960 --> 01:51:27.520 He's just like appreciate the fact, oh, I can go back

to he's he's a he he is like he is a slave to hedonistic tendencies. 01:51:27.760 --> 01:51:40.640 Maybe he's a sex addict, maybe it's a bunch of things, but so I think I I think Julia was just a means to an end, and that as long as he has some woman on the go, um, I think he's absolutely fine with that. 01:51:40.720 --> 01:52:01.520 I think Kirsten I don't bel like I don't agree with you with the like upgrading to like Kirsty, but I do agree with you that like he is such a selfish prick that his goal was never to like set up a house and home with Julia, yeah. 01:52:01.680 --> 01:52:05.359 And also, I don't even know if that was her goal. 01:52:05.680 --> 01:52:12.720 No, I think her goal is also pleasure, but it does make sense that he would just discard her like nothing, right? 01:52:12.880 --> 01:52:18.399 He doesn't care, he doesn't have a love or a sincere bone in his body. 01:52:18.720 --> 01:52:25.680 I mean, this is the guy that banged his brother's wife on her wedding dress and has no consciousness about it, right? 01:52:26.319 --> 01:52:27.840 Yeah, but this is a whole other level. 01:52:27.920 --> 01:52:37.279 Okay, so the Frank, the Frank and Larry figure begins to hunt for Kirsty within the home, approaching the upstairs chamber where it all began. 01:52:37.520 --> 01:52:43.199 As Kirsty attempts an escape, Frank approaches her from behind, cornering her within the room. 01:52:43.520 --> 01:52:49.279 Light begins to pour in from the darkness, and the centibytes appear. 01:52:49.520 --> 01:52:54.560 I wanted to tell you, lights begin to pour in through the walls, right? 01:52:54.640 --> 01:52:59.039 Like the slats on the walls seem to be like four inches apart. 01:52:59.119 --> 01:52:59.680 And so light. 01:53:02.000 --> 01:53:02.399 Yeah, they changed. 01:53:02.560 --> 01:53:03.039 No, you're right. 01:53:03.439 --> 01:53:09.439 It it alters, I think it alters from like the earthly realm to the centibyte realm. 01:53:09.600 --> 01:53:17.199 Yeah, this is the moment where I realized that this was this this was the room that Frank was initially in at the beginning of the film. 01:53:17.359 --> 01:53:20.960 This is where I tied it together that oh, he is inside the house. 01:53:21.119 --> 01:53:23.119 Oh, because at the beginning of the movie, you have no idea. 01:53:23.279 --> 01:53:25.119 Like I had no clue that that's where he was. 01:53:25.199 --> 01:53:27.680 But now it all clicked into place for Frank. 01:53:27.840 --> 01:53:29.359 Me, me, Frank. 01:53:29.840 --> 01:53:38.399 Um, it appears Kirsty has set him up as chains reach from the darkness and plunge into Frank's skin. 01:53:38.720 --> 01:53:45.279 He says Jesus wept before being torn apart limb from limb. 01:53:46.000 --> 01:54:08.880 Yeah, I sorry, the reason I think that line is so insane is because this guy is a fucking narcissistic prick who feels like he is oh, he is immune to consequence equating himself with Jesus? 01:54:09.439 --> 01:54:11.199 Like I just thought of

something. 01:54:11.439 --> 01:54:16.720 Yeah, do you know how at the beginning of the film they're putting his face back together? 01:54:17.199 --> 01:54:17.520 Yeah. 01:54:18.399 --> 01:54:28.960 Is there part of you that wonders if that was a scene that happens after he gets torn apart at the end of the film? 01:54:29.840 --> 01:54:36.159 No, I think I think he was torn apart the first time and then reconstitutes, and then now it's being torn apart again. 01:54:36.800 --> 01:54:37.439 I think so. 01:54:37.520 --> 01:54:39.119 But I I also like the what you just said. 01:54:39.199 --> 01:54:41.119 I think the i that idea is cool. 01:54:42.479 --> 01:54:50.560 So, a distraught Kirstie attempts another escape but is met by Deep Throat, who says, Not leaving us so soon, are you? 01:54:51.199 --> 01:55:01.199 Kirstie enters her father's bedroom and sees Julia's corpse on the bed, puzzle box in hand, and begins to play with a configuration. 01:55:01.520 --> 01:55:14.079 I wanted to tell you this mattress that Julia is on, which seems like nondescript in this movie, becomes absolutely vital in part two. 01:55:14.640 --> 01:55:15.279 Really? 01:55:15.520 --> 01:55:20.159 Yes, and it's like it's kind of a throwaway like, why is she on the mattress? 01:55:20.399 --> 01:55:34.720 She also has chains linked throughout her body, but in part two, it becomes her entry back into the world, and it's it's just so gruesome and disgusting. 01:55:36.640 --> 01:55:43.680 It's so it's so gruesome and disgusting that I just feel like you're gonna get such a kick out of that film when you watch it. 01:55:43.760 --> 01:55:55.279 And I love when I've seen something so good and you haven't seen it and you get to see it, it's like uh I have uh Sharon hasn't seen Nightmare on Elm Street. 01:55:55.840 --> 01:55:56.319 What? 01:55:56.479 --> 01:55:57.600 Yeah, I know it's on pump. 01:55:57.760 --> 01:55:58.880 We're gonna watch those soon. 01:55:59.279 --> 01:56:00.159 Oh Jesus. 01:56:00.399 --> 01:56:00.720 Okay. 01:56:01.680 --> 01:56:10.000 So, and this is where Pinhead appears, letting Kirsty know that we have such sights to show you. 01:56:10.399 --> 01:56:15.920 Yeah, and she fumbles with the box, yelling for the cinnabites to go to hell. 01:56:16.239 --> 01:56:25.600 She indeed does luck out with a few trusty configurations that send each centibyte back to their otherworldly dimension. 01:56:26.399 --> 01:56:27.600 You're right here too. 01:56:27.680 --> 01:56:31.600 You're you're you are right in this, I think, especially here. 01:56:32.000 --> 01:56:34.159 She dispatches them very easily. 01:56:34.239 --> 01:56:36.640 Like, there's there's no big fight scene. 01:56:36.720 --> 01:56:37.840 I'm not I'm not that I wanted this. 01:56:37.920 --> 01:56:38.880 I'm not saying that there should have been. 01:56:38.960 --> 01:56:40.720 I'm just I wanted something, yeah. 01:56:40.800 --> 01:56:41.439 But like come on. 01:56:41.760 --> 01:56:42.239 Come on, man. 01:56:42.319 --> 01:56:44.880 I do wish there was like more resistance here. 01:56:45.279 --> 01:56:47.520 Like or power display. 01:56:47.760 --> 01:56:55.439 Like, even when like she zaps each one of the way, and even I think it's um uh who's a butterball. 01:56:55.600 --> 01:57:03.680 That's the one that actually grabs her, and like she swats him across the face a couple times, and then she's able to still configure it, even though he has her held. 01:57:03.840 --> 01:57:11.520 So, like, I did find it like a little too easy to get away from these centibytes, but that's just like my criticism. 01:57:11.840 --> 01:57:13.039 You know what's funny? 01:57:13.359 --> 01:57:16.720 My criticism about her like easily configuring the box from earlier. 01:57:16.880 --> 01:57:24.319 You met with well, it could just be the fact that like she her intention is to you know do A, B, or, C. 01:57:24.720 --> 01:57:30.800 This actually, like, if you take that argument now and you go, perhaps, you know how in a dream you wake yourself up? 01:57:31.039 --> 01:57:41.039 Yeah, this could be as easy as the intention with the box is I want these things gone, you know, bingo, they go away. 01:57:41.359 --> 01:57:45.680 And that just is a satisfying enough reason for me. 01:57:45.920 --> 01:57:46.800 I think so too. 01:57:46.880 --> 01:57:50.640 I think I think her, I think this box, like you'll see it a couple times. 01:57:50.720 --> 01:57:57.279 I think Pinhead just and like even her will just touch the top of it and it'll slide itself out and then back in. 01:57:57.520 --> 01:57:58.479 Just the slip? 01:57:58.960 --> 01:58:07.119 Maybe maybe it is just yeah, it is like your mental what you are desiring is how it will configure itself for you. 01:58:08.319 --> 01:58:11.039 But Andrew, this does not end for Kirstie. 01:58:11.439 --> 01:58:23.039 The creature that chased Kirstie down the hall reappears for one last battle, grasping at her before she manages to also send it packing back to another dimension. 01:58:23.439 --> 01:58:36.159 The one thing I want to note here is that it seems when she opens or closes either the creature dimension or the centibyte dimension, it sort of like makes the other one open. 01:58:36.800 --> 01:58:37.520 Did you notice? 01:58:37.600 --> 01:58:38.079 Did you see that? 01:58:38.159 --> 01:58:38.560 Like everything. 01:58:38.720 --> 01:58:40.079 Because this happened twice now. 01:58:40.319 --> 01:58:42.560 When she got rid of one thing, it was on to the next. 01:58:42.640 --> 01:58:44.399 Like it was like absolutely. 01:58:44.640 --> 01:58:50.239 And also to note here, it's not really important, surprisingly, but her boyfriend has joined her by this point. 01:58:50.399 --> 01:58:52.239 Oh, I've totally left him out of the script. 01:58:52.479 --> 01:58:53.600 Yes, you are correct. 01:58:53.920 --> 01:58:59.119 He is like he is a completely one note, unworthy character, like unlikely. 01:59:00.239 --> 01:59:01.520 He's a nothing burger character.

01:59:01.600 --> 01:59:04.000 Like he is, he absolutely is a nothing burger character. 01:59:04.159 --> 01:59:15.279 Who at like he's just there, he shows up right around the time that Butterball grabs her, and yeah, they fight this thing off briefly together, and it's yeah, he's just lame. 01:59:15.840 --> 01:59:16.720 I have a question. 01:59:16.880 --> 01:59:19.600 Does this creature need to be in this movie at all? 01:59:19.920 --> 01:59:22.560 No, no, I don't think so. 01:59:22.800 --> 01:59:31.840 I don't think you know what I think, I think I like the lore implications that, like, in the hospital with other configurations, she briefly discovered this other realm. 01:59:32.079 --> 01:59:34.319 Do I think they had to throw it in the climax? 01:59:34.479 --> 01:59:34.800 Yeah. 01:59:35.359 --> 01:59:39.760 But at the same time, by this point, they had built the things, they probably wanted to get some more dollar value out of it. 01:59:40.079 --> 01:59:40.960 I was thinking the same thing. 01:59:41.119 --> 01:59:43.840 I was like, you just wanted this to be used again. 01:59:44.000 --> 01:59:45.520 Yeah, I think so. 01:59:45.840 --> 01:59:46.880 It's like, why not? 01:59:47.039 --> 01:59:48.159 Anyway, I digress. 01:59:48.319 --> 01:59:53.279 But okay, this is another like, why is this why is this in the film? 01:59:53.520 --> 02:00:01.279 But as she exits the home on a rainy evening, she decides to burn the puzzle box in a random fire somewhere. 02:00:01.439 --> 02:00:02.239 Question mark. 02:00:02.399 --> 02:00:04.560 Yeah, is this what meant to be the rebel? 02:00:05.039 --> 02:00:14.880 I thought I thought maybe this was like a quick like edit problem where the house had burned down and she's burning it in the rubble of the house, but it looks like it's like in a homeless field or something. 02:00:15.520 --> 02:00:19.279 She went to a weird bomb location where there was a war. 02:00:19.680 --> 02:00:23.039 They obviously like I don't know if it's like runtime or editing. 02:00:23.119 --> 02:00:25.039 They obviously this felt really quick. 02:00:25.199 --> 02:00:28.159 All like it's it's like almost as post-apocalyptic. 02:00:28.319 --> 02:00:42.319 And so as the box begins to burn, the unhoused man from earlier heads into the fire to retrieve it, beginning to burn and morphing into a skeletal bird being before flying away with the box. 02:00:43.119 --> 02:00:48.960 Now, I could have done without this and the eldritch creature at the very end. 02:00:49.119 --> 02:00:56.159 I really didn't understand, and I actually forgot that both of those things were in the film, and I've seen this movie like a hundred times. 02:00:56.399 --> 02:01:10.880 I I don't know if they were trying to like they didn't want the movie to just end on the note of the Cenobites going back to their dimension, and they wanted to add another layer of demonic activity. 02:01:11.039 --> 02:01:13.840 I really didn't make the connection and didn't understand. 02:01:14.720 --> 02:01:24.880 I think Clive Barker has this, like, he's very much into the world building of this, of this, this whole world of Hellraiser, like the hellbound heart. 02:01:25.039 --> 02:01:27.840 I think he has he had at least some of it plotted out. 02:01:28.000 --> 02:01:32.479 And I think that creature, like, or some form of it is in the lore. 02:01:32.560 --> 02:01:40.079 It's like the protector, or like it's the guardian of the box that it oversees its its moving about the planet to other people. 02:01:40.479 --> 02:01:47.359 So whatever that box is, that thing will take various forms to watch, watch the people who have it in their possession. 02:01:48.319 --> 02:01:53.439 And I there's that I read I read that that you would never know that from this movie, really. 02:01:53.520 --> 02:01:56.319 I don't think, other than that it flies away with the box, I guess. 02:01:56.479 --> 02:02:06.079 Maybe you put that together, but I think maybe that's why in his mind, like world building-wise, it's like a it it also opens up a sequel, the box isn't burned, it's gone elsewhere. 02:02:06.319 --> 02:02:07.920 Actually, I actually love that. 02:02:09.119 --> 02:02:14.000 So we end with a scene of the puzzle box on the table in front of two men. 02:02:14.479 --> 02:02:21.680 The man to the right being asked what his pleasure is before the film comes to a close. 02:02:22.479 --> 02:02:26.720 And so the box has indeed found another victim, it appears, Andrew. 02:02:27.039 --> 02:02:29.439 Probably someone as sadistic as Frank. 02:02:29.760 --> 02:02:32.000 At an undescript Arabian location. 02:02:35.520 --> 02:02:43.039 Alright, so that is Hellraiser, y'all! Join us again for our next feature film.