Full Transcript for This Week in WordPress #388

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Cammie McNamara, known as Web Cammie, is a seasoned web designer and solopreneur based in Seattle, Washington. 10 00:02:47.673 --> 00:03:09.033 With <00:02:47.773>over <00:02:47.973>two <00:02:48.193>decades <00:02:48.553>of <00:02:48.693>experience, <00:02:49.253>she <00:02:49.373>shares <00:02:49.773>her <00:02:49.973>expertise <00:02:50.393>through <00:02:50.853>her <00:02:51.213>Web <00:02:51.973>Designer <00:02:52.533>Habits <00:02:52.973>newsletter <00:02:53.433>and <00:02:53.893>the <00:02:54.133>Web <00:02:54.853>Cammie <00:02:55.393>Cafe. <00:02:55.793>An <00:02:56.673>online <00:02:57.013>community <00:02:57.493>and <00:02:57.853>Facebook <00:02:58.253>group <00:02:58.633>for <00:02:59.133>web <00:02:59.593>designers. <00:03:00.653>I <00:03:00.753>appreciate <00:03:01.113>you <00:03:01.313>getting <00:03:01.513>that <00:03:01.753>in <00:03:01.973>there. <00:03:02.393>That's <00:03:02.553>brilliant. <00:03:03.233>Thank <00:03:03.413>you <00:03:03.653>so <00:03:03.953>much. <00:03:04.693>You <00:03:05.173>can <00:03:05.293>also <00:03:05.553>see <00:03:05.933>that <00:03:06.473>I'm <00:03:06.633>joined <00:03:06.913>by <00:03:07.173>Leslie <00:03:07.613>Sim. <00:03:08.353>How <00:03:08.733>are <00:03:08.813>you <00:03:08.853>doing? 11 00:03:11.076 --> 00:03:23.436 There's <00:03:11.576>a <00:03:11.656>wave. <00:03:12.656>I <00:03:13.016>don't <00:03:13.176>know <00:03:13.276>if <00:03:13.416>it's <00:03:13.596>me. <00:03:14.036>I <00:03:14.396>thought <00:03:14.596>I <00:03:14.796>desperately <00:03:15.436>thought <00:03:15.736>you <00:03:15.876>were <00:03:15.996>muted <00:03:16.316>there <00:03:16.556>for <00:03:16.736>a <00:03:16.816>moment, <00:03:17.116>but <00:03:17.196>it <00:03:17.296>was <00:03:17.456>just <00:03:17.756>waving, <00:03:18.436>which <00:03:19.376>is <00:03:19.516>really <00:03:19.716>nice. <00:03:20.296>Have <00:03:20.436>you <00:03:20.536>been <00:03:20.716>on <00:03:20.856>the <00:03:20.976>show, <00:03:21.296>this <00:03:21.456>one <00:03:21.716>before? <00:03:22.176>I <00:03:22.216>know <00:03:22.276>you've <00:03:22.416>been <00:03:22.496>on <00:03:22.576>the <00:03:22.676>podcast <00:03:23.076>before. 12 00:03:24.636 --> 00:03:42.976 I feel like I was on something with Mark W.S. Forms. Mark W.S. Forms. Yeah, maybe it probably was this in that case, so it's definitely not your first appearance, but very nice to have you with us. It's been a while. 13 00:03:44.596 --> 00:03:58.996 Yeah, well, thank you for joining us. Your bio is exceedingly short, so I'll be able to say this in one breath. Leslie is the co-founder of Eventcoy. There you go. Drop the URL, give us that, then we can pad it out a bit more. 14 00:04:00.628 --> 00:04:01.508 Eventkoy.com. 15 00:04:01.628 --> 00:04:24.008 There you go. Eventkoy.com with a K. K-O-I. Like the fish. Like the colorful fish. Like the fish. Eventkoy.com. Go check it out. In fact, as you'll see in a moment, I recently did an episode with Leslie so you can get a fuller picture of what Eventkoy is and how Leslie ended up doing it over there. But before we do that, let's go to Robert, who has the longest bio. 16 00:04:30.228 --> 00:04:56.056 Robert, I'll tell you what. I'll read the first paragraph. Let's go with that. This is Robert Jacoby. There he is. Robert Jacoby ran 3.5% of the internet once upon a time. Today, as the Chief Experience Officer or CXO for Blackwall, Robert connects Blackwall's security message and solutions with partners, customers, investors, as well as the greater security open source. And online industries. So we'll leave it there if that's all right. 17 00:04:56.116 --> 00:05:44.496 Yeah, that's lovely. If you want to join us in the comments, please do. It drives this show forward. It's really, really nice. The best way you're going to do that is to head to our WP Builds live page. Cami is sporting it there. WPbuilds.com. See, it's so easy. .com forward slash live. Go there and check it out. If you hate Google, you can't use the comments because they're YouTube comments. But you can click the little button inside the video player and you can use that because it's the platform. And, you know, use that if you prefer. WPbuilds.com forward slash live. And thank you to everybody who's made a comment. What I'm going to do, because Robert's time is short, I'd normally share a bunch of those, but because Robert's time is short, I'm just going to crack straight on. 18 00:05:45.255 --> 00:05:48.655 I've <00:05:45.575>already <00:05:45.835>tweeted <00:05:46.235>that, <00:05:46.615>you <00:05:46.715>know, <00:05:46.835>if <00:05:46.895>I <00:05:46.975>like <00:05:47.175>this <00:05:47.355>too <00:05:47.495>much, <00:05:47.755>I'll <00:05:47.835>just <00:05:47.975>miss <00:05:48.175>my <00:05:48.335>flight. 19 00:05:48.915 --> 00:05:53.955 Oh, <00:05:50.195>yay! <00:05:51.515>He's <00:05:51.835>getting <00:05:52.035>his <00:05:52.375>flight, <00:05:52.835>just <00:05:53.315>so <00:05:53.495>that <00:05:53.615>you <00:05:53.755>know. 20 00:05:54.935 --> 00:06:18.835 Okay, <00:05:55.335>in <00:05:55.435>which <00:05:55.575>case,

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And then we've got Cascade Valley Design. Anne-Marie. Anne-Marie. Oh, Anne-Marie, thank you. Best besties, you and Cammy. 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So that was with Leslie talking about Eventcoy, as I just said. But last week we had John Turner talking about WP Vibe. He's in the enviable position in a few months after launching his plugin. He's already eclipsed 100,000 installs. AI is all the rage is all we can say about that. 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So let's get stuck into what we're talking about today. As raised by Taco, here we go. This is a new thing, shipping in WordPress 7.2. And for some reason, it's got people all dither. From 7.2, if you were to go to any WordPress website and it was not disabled, which you can do, but you have to do it with a bit of code. There's no toggle. 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Oh, oh, and look at this. Taco's saying put it in a plug-in, and then, Jai, sorry, I don't know how to say your name, because it's long, and it's got a little bit. Jamiroquois, but I know that's totally long. 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So this is, I've forgotten about that, but there's going to be an On This Day in, you know, so just highlighting something that happened during the calendar, you know, the date in this particular case. 80-20 rule says Marcus Bennett. 56 00:16:07.696 --> 00:16:10.576 We're <00:16:07.756>moving <00:16:08.016>on. <00:16:08.596>There's <00:16:08.896>no <00:16:09.056>more <00:16:09.356>of <00:16:09.476>this. <00:16:10.156>Stop. 57 00:16:13.356 --> 00:16:43.136 Let's <00:16:13.876>move <00:16:14.356>on. <00:16:14.616>Robert <00:16:14.656>only <00:16:14.936>has <00:16:15.156>40 <00:16:15.416>minutes <00:16:15.796>and <00:16:15.976>he's <00:16:16.156>spending <00:16:16.376>it <00:16:16.536>talking <00:16:16.736>about <00:16:17.036>this. <00:16:17.676>I <00:16:17.896>know. <00:16:18.256>I mean, <00:16:18.496>come <00:16:18.656>on. <00:16:19.236>I <00:16:19.496>know. <00:16:19.936>You fool <00:16:20.196>me. <00:16:20.956>All <00:16:21.476>right. <00:16:21.796>Okay. <00:16:22.116>So <00:16:22.616>in <00:16:23.276>much <00:16:23.896>more <00:16:24.236>important <00:16:24.796>news, <00:16:25.616>SVG <00:16:27.716>icons <00:16:28.276>in <00:16:28.556>the <00:16:28.676>admin <00:16:28.996>area, <00:16:29.636>you <00:16:29.956>know, <00:16:30.276>from <00:16:30.376>the <00:16:30.536>sub. <00:16:31.836>So <00:16:32.316>there's <00:16:32.796>really <00:16:33.136>nothing <00:16:33.556>to <00:16:33.856>say <00:16:34.076>here, <00:16:34.376>except <00:16:34.636>that <00:16:34.916>those <00:16:35.196>familiar <00:16:35.596>dash <00:16:35.836>icons <00:16:36.256>that <00:16:36.456>you've <00:16:36.616>been <00:16:36.716>using <00:16:36.956>forever <00:16:37.396>that <00:16:37.636>have <00:16:37.756>been <00:16:37.856>in <00:16:37.996>every <00:16:38.256>WordPress <00:16:38.616>install <00:16:39.096>since <00:16:39.496>the <00:16:39.676>year <00:16:39.836>dot, <00:16:40.216>they're <00:16:40.636>getting <00:16:40.776>swapped <00:16:41.056>out <00:16:41.356>for <00:16:41.696>SVG <00:16:42.696>icons. 58 00:16:43.376 --> 00:17:06.636 I <00:16:43.416>mean, <00:16:43.596>obviously, <00:16:43.996>you <00:16:44.076>know, <00:16:44.256>they're <00:16:44.436>superior <00:16:44.876>in <00:16:45.196>many <00:16:45.376>ways. <00:16:45.796>I'm <00:16:46.016>guessing <00:16:46.476>that <00:16:46.756>they'll <00:16:46.956>look <00:16:47.156>more <00:16:47.476>or <00:16:47.556>less <00:16:47.696>exactly <00:16:48.036>the <00:16:48.216>same, <00:16:48.556>that <00:16:48.596>it <00:16:48.696>isn't <00:16:48.956>going <00:16:49.036>to <00:16:49.116>be <00:16:49.316>some <00:16:50.076>new <00:16:50.596>random <00:16:51.476>rainbow <00:16:52.096>colored <00:16:52.676>suite <00:16:53.576>of <00:16:53.896>weird <00:16:54.236>and <00:16:54.456>wonderful <00:16:54.816>icons. <00:16:55.376>But <00:16:55.996>anyway, <00:16:56.316>it's <00:16:56.456>happening. <00:16:56.856>So <00:16:57.136>I <00:16:57.316>guess <00:16:57.476>if <00:16:57.636>you're <00:16:57.756>a <00:16:57.836>developer <00:16:58.196>and <00:16:58.436>you <00:16:58.536>need <00:16:58.676>to <00:16:58.796>take <00:16:58.976>notice <00:16:59.296>of <00:16:59.496>that, <00:16:59.936>like <00:17:00.036>you've <00:17:00.176>got <00:17:00.236>a <00:17:00.336>plugin <00:17:00.636>that <00:17:00.876>needs <00:17:01.116>to <00:17:01.296>have <00:17:01.516>an <00:17:01.636>SVG <00:17:02.096>icon <00:17:02.496>somewhere, <00:17:03.196>then <00:17:03.336>there <00:17:03.616>you <00:17:03.676>go. <00:17:03.916>There's <00:17:04.076>a <00:17:04.136>new <00:17:04.296>API. <00:17:05.636>Welcome <00:17:06.076>to <00:17:06.236>2018. 59 00:17:07.796 --> 00:17:16.136 That's <00:17:08.236>right. <00:17:09.896>Yeah. <00:17:11.296>Okay. <00:17:11.956>Can <00:17:12.176>somebody <00:17:12.536>build <00:17:12.816>a <00:17:12.936>plugin <00:17:13.256>which <00:17:13.556>randomizes <00:17:14.436>the <00:17:14.776>SVG? 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Yep. Love it. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. One less thing, one less plug-in which you actually need to install. 68 00:19:20.595 --> 00:19:49.985 Well, and it also makes a great, you know, sort of, check-off in the repository. Do you support exclusively the new notifications or don't? If you don't, then you just don't get in. I mean, because we don't need garbage. Yep. Oh, interesting. So, in order to get a plug-in registered on .org, do you support? Go. The Core Notifications Panel. Oh, yeah. Hmm. I'm liking it. 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00:24:04.840 Right. Okay, there you go. That one is on make.wordpress.org. Let's keep going. I just thought this one was really curious, right? So this is a summation of somebody's trip recently to WordCamp's I want to say Cialet. I am very, very sorry to the people that live in this place. I don't know how to pronounce the name of your city or town. But anyway, it recently happened and they did a curious thing which really kind of I think is maybe an experiment we should roll out. Maybe not. 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81 00:25:09.325 --> 00:25:16.445 I'm <00:25:09.645>not <00:25:09.885>somebody <00:25:10.365>who <00:25:10.665>comes <00:25:11.025>home <00:25:11.265>with <00:25:11.505>a <00:25:11.625>ton <00:25:11.845>of <00:25:12.045>swag. <00:25:12.585>Although <00:25:12.805>I <00:25:13.005>was <00:25:13.285>just <00:25:13.505>in <00:25:13.745>Canada. <00:25:14.185>And <00:25:14.505>I <00:25:14.585>have <00:25:14.825>a <00:25:14.945>couple <00:25:15.205>of <00:25:15.385>little <00:25:15.625>items. <00:25:16.285>Okay. 82 00:25:17.965 --> 00:25:38.505 Brought <00:25:18.505>with <00:25:18.785>me <00:25:19.065>that <00:25:19.345>you <00:25:19.605>know, <00:25:19.985>I'm <00:25:20.125>gonna <00:25:20.285>really <00:25:20.685>enjoy <00:25:21.105>this. <00:25:21.725>Maybe <00:25:21.925>that's <00:25:22.185>food. <00:25:22.785>For <00:25:23.325>bringing <00:25:23.745>me <00:25:24.045>that. <00:25:24.625>And <00:25:25.165>but <00:25:25.765>I, <00:25:26.265>I <00:25:26.645>do <00:25:26.905>kind <00:25:27.165>of <00:25:27.345>see <00:25:27.585>where <00:25:27.925>this <00:25:28.365>would <00:25:28.765>change <00:25:30.405>the <00:25:30.685>mood <00:25:31.045>of <00:25:31.805>what <00:25:32.005>was <00:25:32.225>happening <00:25:32.605>in <00:25:32.845>the <00:25:32.965>sponsor <00:25:33.385>area <00:25:33.885>because <00:25:34.225>you <00:25:34.585>would <00:25:34.965>be <00:25:35.305>talking <00:25:35.825>more <00:25:36.225>than <00:25:36.445>you <00:25:36.685>would <00:25:36.885>be <00:25:37.265>shopping. 83 00:25:39.135 --> 00:26:06.395 Kind <00:25:39.615>of <00:25:39.855>that <00:25:40.295>situation <00:25:41.075>where <00:25:41.555>you're <00:25:41.775>like, <00:25:42.095>who <00:25:42.135>has <00:25:42.455>the <00:25:42.575>best <00:25:42.835>swag? 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I mean, it's you stacking up a few hundred dollars here and there, aren't you? A lot. Oh, I'm sure. If you have to ship it for whatever reason and go through customs, it's everything gets actually everything is very expensive very quickly. And I am so pro-no-swag, pro-no-swag. 85 00:26:32.605 --> 00:26:42.865 Yeah, <00:26:32.965>I <00:26:33.285>deliberately <00:26:34.425>don't <00:26:34.865>pick <00:26:35.065>anything <00:26:35.365>up. <00:26:35.605>I <00:26:35.645>mean, <00:26:35.805>the <00:26:35.905>most <00:26:36.205>I'll <00:26:36.485>get <00:26:36.665>would <00:26:36.825>be <00:26:36.965>like <00:26:37.145>a <00:26:37.265>pen, <00:26:37.805>you <00:26:37.945>know, <00:26:38.105>because <00:26:38.285>I <00:26:38.405>need <00:26:38.545>a <00:26:38.645>pen <00:26:38.945>or <00:26:39.125>something. <00:26:39.445>I <00:26:39.625>might <00:26:39.845>pick <00:26:40.045>those <00:26:40.225>up, <00:26:40.425>but <00:26:40.485>I <00:26:40.625>don't <00:26:40.945>know. <00:26:41.165>It's <00:26:41.285>been <00:26:41.365>a <00:26:41.485>couple <00:26:41.665>of <00:26:41.765>years <00:26:41.945>since <00:26:42.125>I <00:26:42.285>took <00:26:42.505>anything. 86 00:26:44.565 --> 00:27:14.245 However, <00:26:44.985>this <00:26:45.405>is <00:26:45.565>an <00:26:45.845>interesting <00:26:46.245>observation. <00:26:47.165>At <00:26:47.345>WordCamp <00:26:47.965>Asia <00:26:48.645>this <00:26:49.205>year <00:26:49.485>in <00:26:49.725>India, <00:26:50.405>the <00:26:50.685>swag <00:26:50.925>was <00:26:51.125>incredibly <00:26:52.145>effective. <00:26:53.905>Very <00:26:54.345>powerful. <00:26:55.505>And <00:26:55.945>the <00:26:56.265>swag <00:26:56.825>was <00:26:57.525>a <00:26:58.165>major <00:26:58.585>thing. <00:26:59.225>Like <00:26:59.325>day <00:26:59.565>one, <00:27:00.025>a <00:27:00.065>lot <00:27:00.165>of <00:27:00.265>people <00:27:00.625>really <00:27:01.185>went <00:27:01.505>crazy <00:27:01.985>for <00:27:02.185>the <00:27:02.285>swag, <00:27:02.705>loved <00:27:02.945>it. <00:27:03.825>And <00:27:04.265>so <00:27:04.605>I <00:27:04.745>don't <00:27:04.845>know <00:27:04.945>what <00:27:05.065>the <00:27:05.165>sponsors <00:27:05.505>would <00:27:05.705>say <00:27:05.905>in <00:27:06.025>that <00:27:06.145>situation, <00:27:07.085>you <00:27:07.105>know, <00:27:07.285>whether <00:27:07.485>or <00:27:07.645>not <00:27:07.765>they'd <00:27:07.985>like <00:27:08.145>the <00:27:08.265>pressure <00:27:08.885>off. <00:27:10.285>Some <00:27:10.725>of <00:27:10.845>it <00:27:10.925>is <00:27:11.105>regional. <00:27:11.745>Some <00:27:11.845>of <00:27:11.965>it <00:27:12.025>is <00:27:12.165>the <00:27:12.385>audience <00:27:12.965>that's <00:27:13.445>actually <00:27:13.825>attending. 87 00:27:14.245 --> 00:27:52.470 Right. I mean, if you have, you know, 10,000 students coming who want a shirt, want a pen, want a Tumblr, whatnot, that's what's going to happen. Yep. So it's kind of... If your business gets ROI out of a specific audience, then it may make sense. But in general, for eco-financial, just ease of, you know, attending a conference reasons, I prefer to have as little or no swag as possible. 88 00:27:52.470 --> 00:28:21.210 So, <00:27:53.590>Aaron, <00:27:54.030>hello, <00:27:54.310>Aaron. <00:27:54.750>He <00:27:54.870>says, <00:27:55.390>no, <00:27:56.390>he <00:27:56.410>doesn't. <00:27:56.790>That's <00:27:56.990>not <00:27:57.130>Aaron. <00:27:57.630>Well, <00:27:57.770>it <00:27:57.870>is <00:27:58.050>Aaron, <00:27:58.370>but <00:27:58.430>he <00:27:58.550>said, <00:27:58.890>throw. <00:27:59.190>That <00:27:59.250>wasn't <00:27:59.550>the <00:27:59.670>comment <00:27:59.930>I <00:28:00.090>was <00:28:00.250>looking <00:28:00.450>for. <00:28:01.150>Nor <00:28:01.370>was <00:28:01.590>it <00:28:01.710>that <00:28:01.890>one. <00:28:02.270>I <00:28:02.350>don't <00:28:02.450>know. <00:28:02.570>What's <00:28:02.770>the <00:28:02.830>matter <00:28:02.970>with <00:28:03.090>me? <00:28:03.290>As <00:28:03.610>I <00:28:03.750>go <00:28:03.910>to <00:28:04.070>click <00:28:04.310>them, <00:28:04.570>another <00:28:04.770>one <00:28:04.970>slides <00:28:05.390>in <00:28:05.570>at <00:28:05.650>the <00:28:05.730>bottom <00:28:05.950>and <00:28:06.090>the <00:28:06.190>UI <00:28:06.450>gets <00:28:06.690>pushed <00:28:06.950>up. <00:28:07.170>That's <00:28:07.310>my <00:28:07.430>problem. <00:28:09.170>ATZ, <00:28:09.870>we <00:28:10.110>say, <00:28:10.510>22, <00:28:10.790>says, <00:28:11.590>I <00:28:11.650>live <00:28:11.890>for <00:28:12.050>WordCamp <00:28:12.510>swag. <00:28:15.290>And <00:28:15.650>then <00:28:15.930>Aaron

<00:28:16.750>says, <00:28:17.650>don't <00:28:17.810>get <00:28:17.930>rid <00:28:18.050>of <00:28:18.150>the <00:28:18.250>prizes. <00:28:18.810>I've <00:28:19.170>won <00:28:19.250>a <00:28:19.370>Google <00:28:19.610>TV <00:28:20.250>and <00:28:20.590>a <00:28:20.670>Google <00:28:20.910>tablet. 89 00:28:21.210 --> 00:28:26.070 Okay, <00:28:21.850>prizes, <00:28:22.750>maybe <00:28:22.870>that's <00:28:23.110>different. <00:28:23.930>Maybe <00:28:24.370>we <00:28:24.590>have <00:28:24.750>prizes, <00:28:25.210>but <00:28:25.450>we've <00:28:25.630>got <00:28:25.750>the <00:28:25.890>swag. 90 00:28:27.570 --> 00:28:53.330 The <00:28:27.930>webinar <00:28:28.210>says, <00:28:28.790>I've <00:28:28.870>just <00:28:28.970>got <00:28:29.150>two <00:28:29.370>pins <00:28:29.670>and <00:28:29.850>two <00:28:30.050>stickers. <00:28:30.490>Good <00:28:30.790>for <00:28:30.950>memory. <00:28:32.390>Okay, <00:28:32.670>maybe <00:28:32.870>we <00:28:33.030>have <00:28:33.230>a <00:28:33.990>size <00:28:34.330>limit. <00:28:34.990>Like, <00:28:35.230>can <00:28:35.330>it <00:28:35.490>fit <00:28:35.670>in <00:28:35.830>a <00:28:35.930>matchbox? <00:28:36.910>If <00:28:37.270>it <00:28:37.330>can <00:28:37.510>fit <00:28:37.690>in <00:28:37.890>a <00:28:38.010>matchbox, <00:28:38.670>it's <00:28:38.930>allowed. <00:28:40.530>And <00:28:40.890>if <00:28:41.010>it's <00:28:41.170>bigger <00:28:41.430>than, <00:28:41.730>I <00:28:41.870>don't <00:28:41.950>know, <00:28:42.110>a <00:28:42.190>matchbox, <00:28:42.670>you're <00:28:42.830>not <00:28:42.930>allowed <00:28:43.210>it <00:28:43.350>or <00:28:43.470>something. <00:28:43.890>I <00:28:44.070>mean, <00:28:44.290>I <00:28:44.890>know <00:28:45.150>that <00:28:45.370>everybody's <00:28:45.910>going <00:28:45.970>to <00:28:46.010>go, <00:28:46.290>oh, <00:28:46.330>be <00:28:46.510>quiet, <00:28:46.950>but <00:28:47.150>there's <00:28:47.450>also <00:28:47.710>the <00:28:47.890>environment, <00:28:48.570>right? <00:28:48.710>I <00:28:48.730>mean, <00:28:49.230>this <00:28:49.650>is <00:28:49.870>very <00:28:50.370>wasteful, <00:28:51.370>I <00:28:52.290>think, <00:28:52.470>in <00:28:52.630>most <00:28:52.910>cases. 91 00:28:53.590 --> 00:29:09.970 So, <00:28:54.110>anyway, <00:28:54.530>that <00:28:55.030>WordCamp <00:28:55.610>tried <00:28:55.890>it <00:28:56.070>out, <00:28:56.330>and <00:28:56.710>this <00:28:57.250>particular <00:28:57.810>author <00:28:58.970>thought <00:28:59.290>it <00:28:59.430>was <00:28:59.590>a <00:28:59.690>cracking <00:28:59.970>idea, <00:29:00.450>and <00:29:00.530>it <00:29:00.630>worked <00:29:00.850>well. <00:29:01.170>Better <00:29:01.330>conversations, <00:29:02.530>less <00:29:02.870>people <00:29:03.170>looking <00:29:03.450>at <00:29:03.590>all <00:29:03.710>the <00:29:03.830>swag. <00:29:04.310>Robert? <00:29:04.930>So, <00:29:05.030>I <00:29:05.610>see <00:29:05.810>more <00:29:06.150>and <00:29:06.290>more <00:29:06.390>events <00:29:06.730>saying, <00:29:06.990>do

<00:29:07.130>you <00:29:07.230>want <00:29:07.470>an <00:29:07.650>event <00:29:08.030>shirt? <00:29:09.490>Yeah. 92 00:29:11.410 --> 00:29:25.290 Maybe there can be an opt-out of swag, which gets sent to the sponsors, so the sponsors then actually buy less. Yeah, Courtney says she's a sucker for sticker swag. Yeah, like all the stickers. 93 00:29:27.230 --> 00:29:42.740 Maybe <00:29:27.910>there's <00:29:28.590>a <00:29:28.610>random <00:29:28.850>swag. <00:29:30.070>All... <00:29:30.960>Everyone <00:29:31.400>has <00:29:31.600>to <00:29:31.720>put <00:29:31.920>all <00:29:32.100>their <00:29:32.260>swag <00:29:32.540>into <00:29:32.740>a <00:29:32.940>large <00:29:33.420>fishbowl. <00:29:34.180>I can't <00:29:34.220>put <00:29:34.480>such <00:29:34.560>random <00:29:35.040>swag. <00:29:35.940>I love <00:29:36.460>it <00:29:36.680>Leslie, <00:29:37.220>yes. <00:29:38.580>Definitely <00:29:39.020>a <00:29:40.260>theme <00:29:40.420>developing <00:29:40.840>in <00:29:41.060>this <00:29:41.240>episode <00:29:41.620>and <00:29:41.800>it's <00:29:41.960>the <00:29:42.060>word <00:29:42.320>random. 94 00:29:44.520 --> 00:30:20.960 Okay, so hello James, somebody joining us. Hi, hi, hi. Nice to have you with us. We're talking about random things and swag. Okay, so that was interesting and let's move on. Go to the next one which is this one here. Oh, so this is, I like this one because obviously I, you know, I put out newsletters and things like that and I follow WordPress events. So this might be of more interest to me than to you lot, but this is the idea of the fact that flagship WordCamp events often get a great deal of their traffic and ticket sales directly through the WordPress.org news channel. 95 00:30:21.120 --> 00:31:02.070 So I'll just read it here. One of the key drivers of the unique visits to the 2026 WordCamp US website was WordCamp. Wordpress.org. It's banners and news posts, also generated email newsletters, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You'd kind of think, I don't know, that somehow people figure out that they want to attend these events by osmosis. Well, they don't. These WordPress flagship events in particular. It turns out WordPress.org is a big driver. But it's been scattered on a little bit over the last few years. And each event does things differently. So this post, we won't dwell on it for long. This post is basically saying, why don't all the flagship events just do the exact same thing? 96 00:31:02.070 --> 00:31:31.310 So <00:31:02.770>it <00:31:02.930>points <00:31:03.310>at <00:31:03.510>WordCamp <00:31:03.990>Asia. <00:31:04.610>They <00:31:04.730>did <00:31:04.910>things <00:31:05.190>11 <00:31:05.450>weeks <00:31:05.830>before, <00:31:06.410>one <00:31:06.550>week <00:31:06.790>before, <00:31:07.090>and <00:31:07.250>two <00:31:07.490>days <00:31:07.790>before. <00:31:08.190>These <00:31:08.290>are <00:31:08.410>like <00:31:08.570>blog <00:31:08.790>posts <00:31:09.170>and <00:31:09.290>things <00:31:09.470>like

<00:31:09.630>that. <00:31:10.310>WordCamp <00:31:10.690>EU, <00:31:11.310>I <00:31:11.530>don't <00:31:11.790>know <00:31:11.890>if <00:31:11.990>this <00:31:12.130>is <00:31:12.270>true, <00:31:12.550>but <00:31:12.630>it <00:31:12.710>says <00:31:12.890>they <00:31:13.050>started <00:31:13.570>one <00:31:13.970>week <00:31:14.270>before. <00:31:14.630>That <00:31:14.970>feels <00:31:15.650>like <00:31:16.010>it <00:31:16.150>wouldn't <00:31:16.370>be <00:31:16.490>correct. <00:31:16.870>But <00:31:16.930>anyway, <00:31:17.450>that <00:31:18.090>one <00:31:19.970>week <00:31:20.190>before <00:31:20.490>was <00:31:20.730>the <00:31:20.850>announcement <00:31:21.230>for <00:31:21.470>getting <00:31:22.090>2027 <00:31:22.990>going. <00:31:23.510>Thank <00:31:23.670>you. <00:31:24.010>You're <00:31:24.370>right. <00:31:24.710>You're <00:31:24.910>absolutely <00:31:25.230>right. <00:31:25.770>Anyway, <00:31:26.270>the <00:31:26.410>point <00:31:26.690>is, <00:31:27.270>you <00:31:27.410>can <00:31:27.590>see <00:31:27.810>from <00:31:27.990>all <00:31:28.150>of <00:31:28.230>these, <00:31:28.510>there's <00:31:28.670>a <00:31:28.810>totally <00:31:29.310>different <00:31:29.630>way <00:31:30.170>of <00:31:30.390>doing <00:31:30.590>it <00:31:30.770>in <00:31:30.890>each <00:31:31.050>case. 97 00:31:31.310 --> 00:32:15.830 And what if it was all standardized? And so that's what this is about. Here's a template, if you like, an SOP for what a flagship WordPress event would look like on.org. So it starts 51 weeks out. So as soon as one event finishes, the next one gets begun. Halfway through the year, more stuff starts to happen for four months and then two months and so on and so on. Bye. And I think that's totally true. I got a feeling this time around for WordCamp US that because the event itself was kind of, we weren't sure if it was going to happen. It felt like everything happened in a massive avalanche with a few weeks to go. Can't have been great for ticket sales. And so if this template was followed, maybe that would fix that problem. 98 00:32:15.830 --> 00:32:45.470 I <00:32:15.970>mean, <00:32:16.110>it's <00:32:16.250>not <00:32:16.350>an <00:32:16.490>answer <00:32:16.750>to <00:32:16.930>all <00:32:17.110>problems <00:32:17.570>and <00:32:17.750>it's <00:32:17.910>not <00:32:18.010>an <00:32:18.170>answer <00:32:18.430>to, <00:32:18.670>you <00:32:18.850>know, <00:32:19.150>declining <00:32:19.570>ticket <00:32:20.210>sales <00:32:20.650>en <00:32:20.990>masse, <00:32:21.330>but <00:32:21.510>at <00:32:22.270>least <00:32:22.430>it <00:32:22.570>would <00:32:22.670>be <00:32:22.770>another <00:32:23.010>string <00:32:23.510>in <00:32:23.890>that <00:32:24.110>bow. <00:32:24.670>If <00:32:24.790>anybody's <00:32:25.370>got <00:32:25.490>any <00:32:25.650>thoughts, <00:32:26.150>let <00:32:26.250>me <00:32:26.370>know. <00:32:26.710>I'm <00:32:27.030>on <00:32:27.130>the <00:32:27.210>sponsors <00:32:27.610>team <00:32:27.850>for <00:32:28.050>WordCamp <00:32:28.470>Europe <00:32:28.650>this <00:32:28.930>year. <00:32:29.310>And, <00:32:30.010>you <00:32:30.090>know, <00:32:30.190>we've <00:32:30.470>been <00:32:30.570>going <00:32:30.750>full <00:32:30.990>speed <00:32:31.230>ahead <00:32:31.490>already <00:32:31.990>for <00:32:32.290>almost <00:32:33.410>eight <00:32:33.650>weeks. <00:32:34.430>So, <00:32:34.870>I <00:32:36.350>mean, <00:32:37.450>the <00:32:38.010>entire <00:32:38.430>team <00:32:40.130>from <00:32:40.430>leadership <00:32:40.790>all <00:32:41.030>the <00:32:41.090>way <00:32:41.190>down <00:32:41.490>for <00:32:41.710>WordCamp <00:32:42.190>Europe, <00:32:42.750>you <00:32:43.110>know, <00:32:43.450>we're <00:32:43.730>already <00:32:43.950>sort <00:32:44.350>of <00:32:44.430>10 <00:32:44.610>months <00:32:44.850>ahead <00:32:45.030>of <00:32:45.190>schedule. 99 00:32:45.470 --> 00:32:57.330 Do <00:32:46.050>you <00:32:46.110>get <00:32:46.210>the <00:32:46.310>feeling <00:32:46.510>that <00:32:46.670>WordCamp <00:32:47.110>Europe <00:32:47.310>operates <00:32:47.930>in <00:32:48.290>a, <00:32:48.550>like, <00:32:49.290>in <00:32:49.350>a <00:32:49.470>more <00:32:49.850>efficient <00:32:50.190>way, <00:32:50.590>let's <00:32:50.770>say, <00:32:51.010>than <00:32:51.130>some <00:32:51.450>of <00:32:51.550>the <00:32:51.630>other <00:32:51.730>ones? <00:32:52.590>Absolutely. <00:32:53.470>Really? <00:32:53.930>Okay. <00:32:54.490>It's <00:32:54.670>not <00:32:54.770>even <00:32:54.930>close. <00:32:56.030>WordCamp <00:32:56.290>Europe <00:32:56.410>is <00:32:56.630>the <00:32:56.730>most <00:32:56.890>organized. 100 00:32:59.530 --> 00:33:09.350 I mean, I think it's technically the longest. I think WordCamp Europe actually happened before WordCamp U.S. I wish Remkes was here, if you tell me correctly. 101 00:33:14.390 --> 00:33:39.390 That's right. No, no, no. I meant in general. I think the first flagship WordCamp ever was a WordCamp Europe. Yes, yeah. I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remkes was a co-worker of that, co-founder, or official founder, I don't know. But, I mean, this team just has its ducks in a row. I mean, there's already a group that's looking at 28. 102 00:33:40.410 --> 00:34:07.770 Wow. Already? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's taken very seriously, and it's a huge team. Maybe they've just got a really good handoff and things like that. You know, from a media part, so I'm often a media partner at that event, and from a media partner point of view, they just do it so well. Like, the communication is brilliant at WordCamp Europe. The provision in terms of the room and, like, figuring out who's having the room at this point in time, and it's all just taken care of by somebody. 103 00:34:07.770 --> 00:34:32.790 So they... On the organizing team, they just sort of take that burden, run with it, and then inform you when everything, all the ducks are in a row. It's really well organized. And it feels like the handoff is brilliant. I would have all

the flagships look at how Europe does it. I mean, hands down. I mean, just so ahead of the game compared. 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Customer uptime, the claim here is 100% of the time. 25.3 billion requests were used in a What's kind of interesting, and I wouldn't have thought this, is that apparently when the election result is in question, you know, when people are now thinking, okay, the polls have closed, now we're waiting for the results, they stop using official channels and start searching again on things like Google for what's going on. 108 00:36:41.405 --> 00:37:14.565 So <00:36:41.565>they <00:36:41.685>go <00:36:41.885>to <00:36:42.065>Google <00:36:42.305>and <00:36:42.445>say, <00:36:43.005>what's <00:36:43.265>the <00:36:43.405>latest, <00:36:43.925>you <00:36:44.045>know, <00:36:44.365>on <00:36:44.545>this, <00:36:44.845>that <00:36:44.925>and <00:36:45.025>the <00:36:45.105>other <00:36:45.245>thing, <00:36:45.625>where <00:36:45.785>I <00:36:45.965>live <00:36:46.225>and <00:36:46.345>what <00:36:46.485>have <00:36:46.665>you, <00:36:46.865>which <00:36:47.245>then, <00:36:47.705>in <00:36:47.865>many <00:36:48.045>cases, <00:36:48.425>Google <00:36:48.625>will <00:36:48.865>serve <00:36:49.165>up <00:36:49.325>one <00:36:49.465>of <00:36:49.545>these <00:36:49.725>websites. <00:36:50.445>It's <00:36:50.805>apropos <00:36:51.285>of <00:36:51.485>absolutely <00:36:52.165>nothing, <00:36:52.585>but <00:36:53.385>I <00:36:53.505>just <00:36:53.705>thought <00:36:53.905>it <00:36:54.045>was <00:36:54.205>kind <00:36:54.365>of <00:36:54.485>curious <00:36:54.865>that, <00:36:55.325>you <00:36:55.445>know, <00:36:55.745>that

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If it goes down at that moment, ah, the PR, the PR catastrophe surrounding that would be really, really bad. And thankfully, it didn't. I wonder. What preparation goes into those kind of specific events? You know, like months of preparation because they know that traffic is going to ramp up and testing? Or is it just, you know, it's a normal Tuesday at the office? 111 00:38:22.445 --> 00:38:24.245 It's <00:38:22.885>just <00:38:23.105>a <00:38:23.385>normal <00:38:23.605>Tuesday. 112 00:38:26.545 --> 00:38:55.765 Oh, no. I wouldn't have thought so. But it's one of those things where you know it's going to happen. So it's like, okay, let's get into our, you know, high traffic plan. Yeah. In the in the UK, we have this thing where every Christmas Day, the current monarch gives a speech. Oh, yeah. And like, anyway, they give a speech. I think it's a 1 p.m. on Christmas Day. 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So it's a great opportunity for other plug-in providers like Leslie, because I have clients that are going to want to move out because they're going for maybe $140 a year, I think is what they're paying, to $350 to get a whole bunch of things they don't need. 121 00:43:02.240 --> 00:43:44.155 And <00:43:02.840>then <00:43:02.960>on <00:43:03.280>the <00:43:03.420>flip <00:43:03.600>side, <00:43:04.380>I'm <00:43:05.100>a <00:43:05.420>Cadence <00:43:05.940>Lifetime <00:43:06.680>person. <00:43:07.980>Me <00:43:08.200>too, <00:43:08.720>yeah. <00:43:09.000>Yeah, <00:43:09.320>I'm <00:43:09.420>not <00:43:09.580>getting <00:43:09.820>this. <00:43:10.500>Or, <00:43:10.820>you <00:43:10.880>know, <00:43:11.080>it <00:43:11.220>is <00:43:11.680>very <00:43:12.260>confusing <00:43:12.920>and <00:43:13.200>just <00:43:13.480>the <00:43:13.900>way <00:43:14.160>it <00:43:14.320>was <00:43:14.620>done <00:43:15.040>was <00:43:15.660>odd. <00:43:16.340>And <00:43:16.800>I <00:43:17.120>guess <00:43:17.760>I <00:43:17.980>don't <00:43:18.280>really <00:43:18.520>understand <00:43:19.300>the... <00:43:20.235>Marketing <00:43:20.995>side <00:43:21.475>of <00:43:21.715>this, <00:43:22.135>why <00:43:22.395>would <00:43:23.115>you <00:43:23.275>take <00:43:23.755>these <00:43:24.775>individual <00:43:25.715>items <00:43:26.575>that <00:43:26.795>are <00:43:26.915>very <00:43:27.255>popular <00:43:27.855>for <00:43:28.495>specific <00:43:30.315>reasons <00:43:31.055>and <00:43:31.535>just <00:43:31.795>throw <00:43:32.135>them <00:43:32.375>all <00:43:32.595>together? <00:43:33.995>Because <00:43:34.875>it <00:43:35.675>just <00:43:36.195>doesn't <00:43:37.015>make <00:43:37.215>sense. <00:43:37.695>Somebody <00:43:37.955>may <00:43:38.235>not <00:43:38.675>need <00:43:39.055>LearnDash <00:43:40.235>or <00:43:40.395>Give <00:43:40.675>for <00:43:41.255>their <00:43:42.895>individual <00:43:43.435>website. 122 00:43:44.155 --> 00:44:12.775 Does <00:43:45.035>it <00:43:45.235>feel <00:43:45.695>like, <00:43:47.015>okay, <00:43:47.675>let <00:43:48.135>me <00:43:48.255>rephrase <00:43:48.735>that <00:43:48.975>because <00:43:49.155>I <00:43:49.255>don't <00:43:49.395>want <00:43:49.495>to <00:43:49.575>make <00:43:49.735>you <00:43:49.955>express <00:43:50.435>an <00:43:50.595>opinion <00:43:50.875>on <00:43:51.075>this <00:43:51.275>necessarily. <00:43:52.055>I'll <00:43:52.535>say <00:43:52.775>it <00:43:52.915>in <00:43:53.055>my <00:43:53.275>way. <00:43:54.075>It <00:43:54.215>feels <00:43:54.895>like <00:43:55.475>a <00:43:55.775>company <00:43:57.095>under <00:43:58.315>so <00:43:59.295>much <00:43:59.635>pressure <00:44:00.135>that <00:44:00.975>they <00:44:01.215>don't <00:44:01.635>know <00:44:01.875>what <00:44:02.115>to <00:44:02.295>do <00:44:02.475>next. <00:44:03.735>It <00:44:04.195>feels <00:44:04.455>like <00:44:04.635>a <00:44:04.755>company <00:44:05.035>that <00:44:05.315>from <00:44:05.615>on <00:44:05.855>high, <00:44:06.935>again, <00:44:07.575>I <00:44:07.735>could <00:44:07.855>be <00:44:07.995>wrong <00:44:08.155>about <00:44:08.355>this. <00:44:08.735>It <00:44:08.795>feels <00:44:09.135>like, <00:44:09.435>you <00:44:09.595>know, <00:44:09.775>there's, <00:44:09.935>I <00:44:10.095>don't <00:44:10.195>know, <00:44:10.415>VC <00:44:10.735>money <00:44:11.075>or <00:44:11.235>that

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<00:45:55.785>The <00:45:56.225>sort <00:45:56.665>of <00:45:56.785>the <00:45:56.965>lead <00:45:57.305>of <00:45:57.445>all <00:45:57.605>that, <00:45:58.005>Stella, <00:45:58.345>then <00:45:58.565>got, <00:45:58.925>you <00:45:59.125>know, <00:45:59.305>consumed <00:45:59.785>and, <00:46:00.205>you <00:46:01.065>know, <00:46:01.185>repurposed <00:46:01.865>and <00:46:02.045>renamed <00:46:02.525>and <00:46:02.725>all <00:46:02.825>that <00:46:03.005>kind <00:46:03.165>of <00:46:03.245>stuff. 127 00:46:03.545 --> 00:46:12.285 And <00:46:03.585>it <00:46:03.685>felt <00:46:03.945>like <00:46:04.165>the <00:46:04.385>people <00:46:05.225>that <00:46:05.385>were <00:46:05.485>in <00:46:05.645>charge <00:46:05.885>didn't <00:46:06.265>really <00:46:06.585>have <00:46:06.925>much <00:46:07.445>in <00:46:07.585>the <00:46:07.665>way <00:46:07.805>of <00:46:08.025>WordPress <00:46:08.725>community <00:46:09.545>insights <00:46:10.225>going <00:46:10.605>on <00:46:10.965>when <00:46:11.265>they <00:46:11.445>rebranded. 128 00:46:13.905 --> 00:46:37.690 So, <00:46:14.745>Marcus, <00:46:15.325>I'm <00:46:15.605>guessing <00:46:15.925>nobody <00:46:16.425>particularly <00:46:17.205>might <00:46:17.645>want <00:46:17.905>these <00:46:18.285>things <00:46:18.505>in <00:46:18.685>combination. <00:46:19.125>It's <00:46:19.505>just <00:46:19.745>that's <00:46:20.105>what <00:46:20.245>they've <00:46:20.465>got <00:46:20.625>as <00:46:20.805>a <00:46:20.905>company. <00:46:21.305>Sorry, <00:46:22.485>the <00:46:22.605>people <00:46:22.885>that <00:46:23.025>work <00:46:23.225>there, <00:46:23.425>I'm <00:46:23.465>not <00:46:23.605>trying <00:46:23.765>to <00:46:23.865>be <00:46:23.985>a <00:46:24.105>pain <00:46:25.205>in <00:46:25.405>your <00:46:25.585>backside, <00:46:26.025>but <00:46:26.365>it <00:46:26.485>does <00:46:26.665>feel <00:46:26.945>all <00:46:27.125>a <00:46:27.245>little <00:46:27.385>bit <00:46:27.585>disjointed <00:46:28.165>and <00:46:28.365>weird. <00:46:28.925>And <00:46:29.145>one <00:46:29.925>thing <00:46:30.145>here <00:46:30.345>from <00:46:30.545>Courtney, <00:46:31.165>I <00:46:31.225>hear <00:46:31.385>great <00:46:31.665>things <00:46:31.945>about <00:46:32.245>Eventcoy. <00:46:32.445>3. <00:46:33.230>It <00:46:33.630>says, <00:46:33.870>Courtney, <00:46:34.190>you <00:46:34.290>used <00:46:34.570>to <00:46:34.710>be <00:46:34.950>the <00:46:36.190>event <00:46:36.470>calendar <00:46:36.830>support <00:46:37.270>staff. 129 00:46:41.750 --> 00:46:44.770 Leslie, <00:46:42.530>you <00:46:42.590>probably <00:46:42.810>don't <00:46:42.990>want <00:46:43.130>to <00:46:43.210>touch <00:46:43.410>this <00:46:43.590>one <00:46:43.730>with <00:46:43.830>a <00:46:43.970>barge <00:46:44.270>pole, <00:46:44.530>do <00:46:44.610>you? 130 00:46:46.050 --> 00:47:12.330 I <00:46:46.290>have a <00:46:46.330>few <00:46:46.350>stickers, <00:46:47.170>a <00:46:47.230>few <00:46:47.350>event <00:46:47.630>coy <00:46:47.810>stickers. <00:46:48.630>Yay! <00:46:50.330>Next <00:46:50.730>time <00:46:51.030>we <00:46:51.230>see <00:46:51.450>you. <00:46:52.190>So <00:46:52.370>anyway, <00:46:52.710>there <00:46:52.850>you <00:46:52.950>go. <00:46:53.190>If <00:46:53.250>you <00:46:53.350>can <00:46:53.510>make <00:46:53.730>any <00:46:53.910>sense <00:46:54.250>out <00:46:54.490>of <00:46:54.570>that, <00:46:55.150>then <00:46:55.270>let <00:46:55.570>me <00:46:55.690>know <00:46:55.890>because <00:46:56.170>I <00:46:56.550>genuinely <00:46:57.110>couldn't <00:46:57.510>work <00:46:57.750>out. <00:46:57.990>Like, <00:46:58.470>as <00:46:58.570>I <00:46:58.670>went <00:46:58.870>through <00:46:59.090>it, <00:46:59.350>I <00:46:59.390>thought, <00:46:59.590>oh, <00:46:59.990>that's <00:47:00.170>interesting. <00:47:00.730>I'm <00:47:00.950>going <00:47:01.070>to <00:47:01.170>get <00:47:01.390>LearnDash <00:47:01.950>and <00:47:02.130>Give <00:47:02.390>and <00:47:02.590>the <00:47:02.770>events <00:47:03.070>calendar <00:47:03.390>for <00:47:03.630>free, <00:47:04.050>am <00:47:04.110>I? <00:47:04.850>Because <00:47:05.290>that's <00:47:05.730>what <00:47:05.910>the <00:47:06.070>article <00:47:06.370>implied. <00:47:06.910>And <00:47:06.930>then <00:47:07.010>as <00:47:07.130>I <00:47:07.190>went <00:47:07.330>further <00:47:07.630>down, <00:47:07.970>all <00:47:08.050>the <00:47:08.150>little <00:47:08.330>caveats <00:47:08.790>came <00:47:09.050>in <00:47:09.210>and <00:47:09.310>it <00:47:09.430>was <00:47:09.550>a <00:47:09.650>bit <00:47:09.730>like, <00:47:10.030>hmm, <00:47:10.530>not <00:47:10.750>so <00:47:11.110>sure <00:47:11.530>about <00:47:11.830>that <00:47:12.090>now. 131 00:47:13.790 --> 00:47:29.150 Courtney makes the point again, what combination of their customers need these? I mean, basically the same point that Marcus made a minute ago. So, yeah. And then I use the events calendar in that bundle only. I do not need the rest. No sense to pay for it all. That's Anne-Marie. 132 00:47:30.500 --> 00:47:58.780 And then, here we go, WebDUK, they're probably trying to make up for the drop in revenue from their slow plug-in sales in the current climate, but this sounds like it might be counterproductive. Bingo. Okay. I kind of agree with what Courtney was saying, just reading Ray's article and kind of seeing what she's quoted from Jack Kettering about basically trying to, let's see what the quote is. 133 00:47:58.780 --> 00:48:39.395 Bingo. There's a quote from Jack right at the bottom, isn't there? Yeah, a whole bunch. So it says like, every plug-in that has to be consistently updated is an engineer's time where they have to keep it in line with WordPress core requirements, blah, blah, blah. Nexus was now supporting a little over 60 versions. They expect the number to fall below 10 once all customers had moved. Blah, blah, blah. That frees up a huge amount of resources for building new features and functionality. I think that's kind of the key. That frees up a huge

amount of resources and AI, basically. So I think it just seems like they're cost-cutting and trying to move those resources. 134 00:48:39.395 --> 00:49:12.055 I <00:48:39.955>mean, <00:48:40.155>I <00:48:40.215>can <00:48:40.355>totally <00:48:40.535>see <00:48:40.775>it <00:48:40.895>from <00:48:41.055>a <00:48:41.155>business <00:48:41.415>point <00:48:41.655>of <00:48:41.775>view. <00:48:42.075>That <00:48:42.395>all <00:48:42.835>stacks <00:48:43.235>up, <00:48:43.595>doesn't <00:48:43.735>it? <00:48:43.975>But <00:48:44.115>I <00:48:44.455>guess, <00:48:44.915>you <00:48:45.095>know, <00:48:45.295>if <00:48:45.415>you <00:48:45.615>annoy <00:48:45.935>your <00:48:46.135>user <00:48:46.375>base <00:48:46.735>whilst <00:48:47.515>trying <00:48:47.755>to <00:48:47.915>grow <00:48:48.115>your <00:48:48.255>business, <00:48:48.835>then <00:48:49.055>let's <00:48:50.915>see <00:48:51.035>how <00:48:51.175>that <00:48:51.335>works <00:48:51.615>out. <00:48:51.935>So <00:48:52.035>anyway, <00:48:52.575>you <00:48:52.815>know, <00:48:53.015>I'm <00:48:53.235>not <00:48:53.375>trying <00:48:53.615>to <00:48:53.835>put <00:48:54.695>them <00:48:54.795>out <00:48:54.935>of <00:48:55.015>business <00:48:55.275>or <00:48:55.575>be <00:48:55.735>horrible, <00:48:56.055>but <00:48:56.335>it <00:48:56.455>does <00:48:56.635>seem <00:48:56.895>very <00:48:57.315>strangely <00:48:58.595>communicated <00:48:59.335>and <00:48:59.635>Cami's <00:49:00.575>experience <00:49:01.495>there <00:49:01.755>would <00:49:01.955>seem <00:49:02.135>to <00:49:02.315>bear <00:49:02.595>that <00:49:02.875>out. <00:49:03.135>But <00:49:03.455>you <00:49:03.875>can <00:49:03.975>go <00:49:04.055>check <00:49:04.275>it <00:49:04.375>out <00:49:04.435>for <00:49:04.575>yourself. <00:49:04.995>It's <00:49:05.115>on <00:49:05.355>Ray's <00:49:05.995>repository. <00:49:07.795>And <00:49:08.275>this <00:49:08.515>article <00:49:08.855>was <00:49:09.095>yesterday. <00:49:09.795>No, <00:49:10.075>not <00:49:10.215>yesterday. <00:49:10.715>5th <00:49:10.975>of <00:49:11.115>May. <00:49:11.615>November. 135 00:49:13.655 --> 00:49:44.385 I can barely speak. The 5th of November. It was called Nexus Stop Selling Learn-Give. I'm on Ray's email. Yada, yada. Some other things as well. All right, let's move on. We're staying with the repository. And Cami, although didn't go, was aware that this was happening. This was a little outside event, which is starting to be a bit of a thing. I don't know. I think quite a few of the bigger WordCamps that I've attended recently have got some other ancillary events going on on the outside. 136 00:49:44.385 --> 00:50:12.805 Not, <00:49:44.825>you <00:49:45.145>know, <00:49:45.365>not <00:49:45.485>the <00:49:45.605>normal <00:49:45.865>after <00:49:46.225>parties, <00:49:46.825>but <00:49:46.905>other <00:49:47.325>kind <00:49:48.265>of <00:49:48.505>events <00:49:48.945>which <00:49:49.165>are <00:49:49.345>bolted <00:49:49.645>onto <00:49:49.845>it. <00:49:50.125>You <00:49:50.185>know, <00:49:50.325>they're <00:49:50.425>making <00:49:50.685>use <00:49:50.945>of <00:49:51.085>the <00:49:51.185>audience <00:49:51.545>who've <00:49:51.805>already <00:49:52.045>flown <00:49:52.445>in <00:49:52.805>or <00:49:53.005>driven <00:49:53.325>in <00:49:53.545>or <00:49:53.665>whatever <00:49:53.885>it <00:49:54.065>is <00:49:54.265>for <00:49:54.425>that <00:49:54.605>event. <00:49:55.045>And <00:49:55.565>this <00:49:55.785>is <00:49:56.105>the <00:49:56.545>WP <00:49:57.385>OCC, <00:49:58.465>so <00:49:59.405>the <00:49:59.585>WordPress <00:50:00.005>Open <00:50:00.965>Community <00:50:02.105>Collective. <00:50:03.985>They <00:50:04.505>did <00:50:04.805>a <00:50:05.065>thing <00:50:05.225>called <00:50:05.605>the <00:50:05.845>Voices <00:50:06.345>of <00:50:06.605>the <00:50:06.725>Community, <00:50:07.245>which <00:50:08.085>was <00:50:08.265>a <00:50:08.365>gathering <00:50:08.805>for <00:50:09.825>one <00:50:10.045>evening <00:50:10.405>between <00:50:10.705>the <00:50:10.925>hours <00:50:11.165>of <00:50:11.345>seven <00:50:11.725>and <00:50:12.305>nine. 137 00:50:12.805 --> 00:50:45.575 And <00:50:13.485>the <00:50:13.585>idea <00:50:13.825>was <00:50:14.045>that <00:50:14.205>they <00:50:14.385>would, <00:50:14.625>you <00:50:14.765>know, <00:50:15.065>get <00:50:15.185>the <00:50:15.425>get <00:50:15.605>the <00:50:15.805>audience <00:50:16.085>from <00:50:16.325>WordCamp <00:50:16.885>Canada <00:50:17.385>in <00:50:18.005>Vancouver <00:50:18.525>and <00:50:19.445>have <00:50:19.885>a <00:50:19.965>chat <00:50:20.145>about <00:50:20.345>the <00:50:20.505>future <00:50:20.785>of <00:50:20.965>WordPress. <00:50:21.305>The <00:50:21.885>difference <00:50:23.025>which <00:50:23.385>they <00:50:23.585>were <00:50:23.745>very <00:50:24.045>keen <00:50:24.425>to <00:50:24.765>talk <00:50:25.085>about <00:50:25.385>was <00:50:25.625>that <00:50:25.825>they <00:50:26.045>were <00:50:26.525>paying. <00:50:27.695>For <00:50:28.315>the <00:50:28.595>two <00:50:28.815>members <00:50:29.175>of <00:50:29.355>staff <00:50:29.675>who <00:50:29.915>organized <00:50:30.275>it. <00:50:30.835>So <00:50:30.875>they <00:50:31.015>would <00:50:31.155>pay <00:50:31.395>for <00:50:31.595>one <00:50:31.835>person <00:50:32.395>to <00:50:33.215>be <00:50:33.795>who <00:50:34.055>was <00:50:34.215>a <00:50:34.315>local <00:50:34.655>organizer <00:50:35.175>who <00:50:35.495>would <00:50:35.635>do <00:50:35.775>stuff <00:50:36.035>like <00:50:36.295>food <00:50:36.835>and <00:50:37.135>get <00:50:37.615>the <00:50:37.755>venue <00:50:38.035>organized <00:50:38.535>and <00:50:38.695>what <00:50:38.815>have <00:50:38.995>you. <00:50:39.335>And <00:50:39.795>then <00:50:39.935>they'd <00:50:40.175>also <00:50:40.415>have <00:50:40.715>a <00:50:40.915>like <00:50:41.215>a <00:50:41.355>host <00:50:41.735>or <00:50:42.115>a <00:50:42.215>guide <00:50:42.575>or, <00:50:42.855>you <00:50:43.135>know, <00:50:43.315>the

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And I love all that stuff. Absolutely love it. Time for you to do more of that kind of stuff. Or show.fm. Oh, I forgot. Yeah, thanks. We should definitely mention that at some point. Remember the 5th of November. That's a reference to Guy Fawkes Night, which was the other week. I don't know why that dropped in there, but thank you. That's a UK thing. 145 00:53:48.880 --> 00:54:21.720 I like that you noticed that I briefly... Oh, yeah, you went in on a different... I did notice. I'm very observant. Behind these glasses, a 20-20 vision. Okay, let's move on. Let's go to this one. Right. Okay. I am not going to tell you that this is something that should happen or will happen, but I really love it when people go in and make massive bold changes to the WordPress admin in an attempt to bring it up to date. 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<00:54:48.415>it, <00:54:48.735>but <00:54:48.835>I <00:54:48.995>absolutely <00:54:49.715>love <00:54:50.155>it. 147 00:54:50.435 --> 00:55:18.315 And so I'm just encouraging people basically to go and look at this video. I'll put the links in the show notes. His YouTube channel is called Dave on WP. This video dropped on the 27th of October and it's called Is This the End of the WordPress Block Toolbar? It's clearly, you know, click-baity stuff. But I do love it. I think Dave's an automatician. So, you know, he's definitely got skin in the game of WordPress succeeding. 148 00:55:18.475 --> 00:55:39.955 He's <00:55:18.555>not <00:55:18.635>trying <00:55:18.795>to <00:55:18.895>upend <00:55:19.255>WordPress <00:55:19.775>entirely. <00:55:21.495>But <00:55:21.855>go <00:55:22.655>and <00:55:22.755>have <00:55:22.855>a <00:55:22.915>look. <00:55:23.135>See <00:55:23.235>what <00:55:23.415>you <00:55:23.555>think. <00:55:24.015>I <00:55:24.235>don't <00:55:24.355>know <00:55:24.415>if <00:55:24.515>any <00:55:24.655>of <00:55:24.835>the <00:55:24.935>pair <00:55:25.155>of <00:55:25.255>you <00:55:25.335>got <00:55:25.535>a <00:55:25.675>chance <00:55:25.895>to <00:55:26.055>look <00:55:26.215>at <00:55:26.335>it. <00:55:26.695>Maybe <00:55:27.055>you <00:55:27.215>didn't. <00:55:27.675>But <00:55:27.855>anyway, <00:55:28.495>it's <00:55:28.595>worth <00:55:28.915>seven <00:55:29.595>minutes <00:55:29.915>of <00:55:30.095>your <00:55:30.215>time. <00:55:32.375>All <00:55:32.735>right. <00:55:33.015>In <00:55:33.155>which <00:55:33.315>case <00:55:33.575>we <00:55:33.815>will <00:55:34.195>move <00:55:34.875>on. <00:55:35.615>There's <00:55:36.135>no <00:55:36.335>one <00:55:36.795>more <00:55:37.055>little <00:55:37.235>comment <00:55:37.535>here. <00:55:38.235>A <00:55:38.375>couple <00:55:38.555>of <00:55:38.715>little <00:55:38.895>comments <00:55:39.395>here. <00:55:39.815>Yeah. 149 00:55:41.475 --> 00:55:54.375 Oh, no, no, not that one. It kept moving up. There's no private equity behind Show.fm. No, there really is no private equity behind Show.fm. And I really need to get better at marketing it. 150 00:55:55.975 --> 00:56:06.415 Just <00:55:56.255>copy <00:55:56.495>what <00:55:56.775>Steve <00:55:56.975>is <00:55:57.215>doing. <00:55:57.895>Yeah, <00:55:58.415>just <00:55:58.775>copy <00:55:59.775>what <00:55:59.955>Steve's <00:56:00.355>doing. <00:56:01.195>I'll <00:56:01.755>promote <00:56:02.015>Publish <00:56:02.415>Press. <00:56:05.275>See <00:56:05.835>how <00:56:05.975>that <00:56:06.135>goes. 151 00:56:06.415 --> 00:56:32.675 Right. <00:56:07.495>Okay. <00:56:07.795>Back <00:56:07.955>to <00:56:08.155>Ray <00:56:08.375>on <00:56:08.915>the <00:56:09.035>repository. <00:56:10.275>Very <00:56:10.735>short. <00:56:11.315>We <00:56:11.395>won't <00:56:11.575>keep <00:56:11.735>this <00:56:11.935>one <00:56:12.115>for <00:56:12.255>very <00:56:12.495>long. <00:56:12.975>It's <00:56:13.035>just <00:56:13.215>to <00:56:13.355>say <00:56:13.575>that <00:56:13.795>now <00:56:14.355>that <00:56:14.555>we <00:56:14.715>know <00:56:15.155>that <00:56:16.115>WordPress <00:56:16.595>is <00:56:17.875>coming <00:56:18.215>into <00:56:18.555>core. <00:56:19.095>Sorry, <00:56:19.315>WordPress <00:56:19.575>and <00:56:19.895>AI. <00:56:20.255>We're <00:56:20.655>making <00:56:21.075>moves <00:56:21.475>in <00:56:21.635>the <00:56:21.715>next <00:56:21.915>versions <00:56:22.355>of <00:56:22.555>WordPress <00:56:23.495>to <00:56:23.855>drag <00:56:24.895>some <00:56:25.115>things <00:56:25.435>into <00:56:25.695>core. <00:56:26.215>It's <00:56:26.675>probably <00:56:26.935>a <00:56:27.055>good <00:56:27.175>idea <00:56:27.475>at <00:56:27.635>this <00:56:27.775>point <00:56:27.955>to <00:56:28.115>keep <00:56:28.395>abreast <00:56:29.295>of <00:56:29.455>what's <00:56:29.735>going <00:56:29.975>on <00:56:30.235>because <00:56:30.475>it's <00:56:30.775>coming <00:56:31.115>into <00:56:31.595>the <00:56:31.755>platform <00:56:32.135>that <00:56:32.335>you <00:56:32.455>love. 152 00:56:32.675 --> 00:57:00.440 And the WordPress AI plugin is now a version 1.5 and it's added a few interesting features text to speech. So if you've got, I don't know, a blog post and you want that to become a, I don't even want to say the word, podcast episode. It's not a podcast episode if you click this button just so that we're clear. But you can have an audio player in your podcast if people prefer to consume it that way. I know some people do. 153 00:57:01.720 --> 00:57:27.640 Image <00:57:02.200>provenance <00:57:02.680>checks, <00:57:03.180>which <00:57:03.260>I <00:57:03.360>think <00:57:03.500>is <00:57:03.620>really <00:57:03.860>cool. <00:57:04.180>So <00:57:04.860>you <00:57:05.400>can <00:57:05.620>check <00:57:06.060>to <00:57:06.300>see <00:57:06.660>if <00:57:07.380>an <00:57:07.500>AI <00:57:07.760>generated <00:57:08.180>image, <00:57:08.920>if <00:57:09.020>there's <00:57:09.220>sort <00:57:09.400>of <00:57:09.520>a <00:57:10.100>suspicion <00:57:10.520>of <00:57:10.800>where <00:57:10.920>that <00:57:11.080>came <00:57:11.280>from <00:57:11.480>or <00:57:11.640>if <00:57:11.760>you're <00:57:12.020>slightly <00:57:12.520>nervous <00:57:12.920>about <00:57:13.220>where <00:57:14.140>that <00:57:14.340>may <00:57:14.580>have <00:57:14.760>come <00:57:14.940>from. <00:57:15.320>And <00:57:15.360>then <00:57:15.460>there's <00:57:15.620>a <00:57:15.680>couple <00:57:15.860>of <00:57:16.000>AI <00:57:16.340>agent <00:57:17.080>experiments, <00:57:17.760>which <00:57:17.860>I <00:57:17.960>won't <00:57:18.160>go <00:57:18.340>into. <00:57:18.900>So <00:57:19.020>minor <00:57:19.880>things, <00:57:20.360>but <00:57:21.120>they're <00:57:21.460>just <00:57:21.560>sort <00:57:21.700>of <00:57:21.780>building <00:57:22.020>on <00:57:22.220>top <00:57:22.380>of <00:57:22.520>one <00:57:22.680>another <00:57:22.960>exponentially. <00:57:23.680>So <00:57:24.160>they're <00:57:24.440>probably

<00:57:25.120>worth <00:57:26.840>looking <00:57:27.400>at. 154 00:57:29.080 --> 00:57:35.240 Where's <00:57:29.600>the <00:57:29.740>little... <00:57:30.380>Am <00:57:30.560>I <00:57:30.720>able <00:57:30.920>to <00:57:31.180>have <00:57:31.580>text <00:57:31.900>to <00:57:32.060>speech <00:57:32.340>for <00:57:32.700>all <00:57:32.840>my <00:57:33.000>blog <00:57:33.220>posts, <00:57:33.600>but <00:57:33.700>in <00:57:33.900>Nathan <00:57:34.240>Rigby's <00:57:34.840>voice? 155 00:57:35.560 --> 00:57:38.560 I <00:57:35.860>hope <00:57:36.280>not. <00:57:37.380>That's never <00:57:37.520>going <00:57:37.620>to <00:57:37.780>do <00:57:37.860>your <00:57:37.980>brief <00:57:38.240>favers. 156 00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:43.260 You <00:57:39.920>could. <00:57:40.340>You <00:57:40.740>totally <00:57:41.060>could. <00:57:41.900>It's <00:57:42.420>plausible <00:57:42.880>now. 157 00:57:43.580 --> 00:58:21.675 Check <00:57:43.980>this <00:57:44.220>out, <00:57:44.520>Leslie. <00:57:44.900>So <00:57:44.980>I <00:57:45.160>use <00:57:45.500>an <00:57:45.620>app <00:57:45.800>called <00:57:46.040>Descript. <00:57:47.415>And <00:57:48.075>it's <00:57:48.495>an <00:57:48.595>editing <00:57:48.875>app. <00:57:49.115>You <00:57:49.155>may <00:57:49.275>have <00:57:49.415>come <00:57:49.575>across <00:57:49.775>it, <00:57:50.035>but <00:57:50.095>one <00:57:50.275>of <00:57:50.375>the <00:57:50.455>things <00:57:50.655>that <00:57:50.815>it <00:57:50.915>does <00:57:51.115>is <00:57:51.375>it <00:57:51.635>will, <00:57:51.975>you <00:57:52.375>know, <00:57:52.555>I'll <00:57:52.735>upload <00:57:53.035>this <00:57:53.375>video, <00:57:54.255>and <00:57:54.535>it <00:57:54.635>will <00:57:54.775>figure <00:57:55.835>out <00:57:56.095>that <00:57:56.295>I'm <00:57:56.755>me. <00:57:57.175>It <00:57:57.255>won't <00:57:57.475>know <00:57:57.755>that <00:57:57.995>I'm <00:57:58.275>me, <00:57:58.455>but <00:57:58.575>it'll <00:57:58.715>say, <00:57:59.115>who's <00:57:59.315>this? <00:57:59.755>And <00:57:59.835>then <00:57:59.955>every <00:58:00.195>time <00:58:00.435>I <00:58:00.655>speak, <00:58:01.095>it'll <00:58:01.275>identify <00:58:01.635>me. <00:58:01.975>And <00:58:02.035>it'll <00:58:02.215>figure <00:58:02.435>out <00:58:02.615>that <00:58:02.775>you're <00:58:03.075>you, <00:58:03.575>and <00:58:04.215>it'll <00:58:04.375>figure <00:58:04.575>out <00:58:04.735>that <00:58:04.895>Cammie's <00:58:05.335>Cammie. <00:58:05.715>However, <00:58:07.175>when <00:58:07.635>I <00:58:07.775>began <00:58:08.075>using <00:58:08.395>the <00:58:08.575>app <00:58:08.715>about <00:58:08.935>five <00:58:09.195>years <00:58:09.455>ago, <00:58:09.775>you <00:58:09.835>had <00:58:09.955>to <00:58:10.095>upload <00:58:10.415>10 <00:58:10.855>hours <00:58:11.455>of <00:58:11.815>uninterrupted <00:58:13.355>audio <00:58:13.755>of <00:58:14.075>you <00:58:14.475>for <00:58:15.155>it <00:58:15.335>to <00:58:15.495>do <00:58:15.655>a <00:58:15.775>credible <00:58:16.175>job <00:58:16.475>of <00:58:16.635>speaking <00:58:16.995>like <00:58:17.335>you. <00:58:17.775>Now, <00:58:18.635>one <00:58:19.555>sentence <00:58:20.095>is <00:58:20.935>all <00:58:21.115>it <00:58:21.335>takes. 158 00:58:21.675 --> 00:58:43.035 So you read this one sentence, it's about, I don't know, it's about 35 words, something like that. You can do it in under 20 seconds. And there's enough context in that one sentence that it can completely match your voice. And it does a terrific job. It's insane. So the answer, Leslie, to your question is, yes, you can. 159 00:58:43.035 --> 00:58:43.195 Mm-hmm. 160 00:58:44.885 --> 00:59:05.185 And <00:58:45.285>that's <00:58:45.685>a <00:58:45.785>problem, <00:58:46.265>isn't <00:58:46.385>it? <00:58:46.605>You <00:58:46.685>know, <00:58:47.025>I <00:58:47.085>think <00:58:47.225>the <00:58:47.345>more <00:58:47.485>we <00:58:47.605>get <00:58:47.785>into <00:58:48.025>this <00:58:48.225>sort <00:58:48.365>of <00:58:48.425>stuff <00:58:48.605>at <00:58:48.725>the <00:58:48.825>moment, <00:58:49.085>it <00:58:49.305>all <00:58:49.485>sounds <00:58:49.745>like <00:58:49.965>fun <00:58:50.205>and <00:58:50.325>games, <00:58:50.665>but <00:58:50.925>I <00:58:51.745>don't <00:58:51.865>know, <00:58:52.105>you <00:58:52.165>imagine <00:58:52.485>that <00:58:52.685>you <00:58:52.785>want <00:58:52.945>some <00:58:53.705>political <00:58:54.225>opponent <00:58:54.685>and <00:58:55.005>you <00:58:55.145>want <00:58:55.305>to <00:58:55.465>pretend <00:58:55.845>that <00:58:56.105>they <00:58:56.325>said <00:58:56.625>something <00:58:57.025>really <00:58:57.385>horrible, <00:58:57.825>that <00:58:58.385>will <00:58:58.625>be <00:58:58.885>really <00:58:59.185>easy <00:58:59.445>to <00:58:59.625>do, <00:59:00.005>and <00:59:00.105>puts <00:59:00.845>that <00:59:01.065>person <00:59:01.485>on <00:59:01.665>the <00:59:01.765>back <00:59:02.005>foot, <00:59:02.305>and <00:59:02.685>you <00:59:02.905>know, <00:59:03.125>when <00:59:03.285>actually <00:59:03.725>they <00:59:03.905>said <00:59:04.105>nothing <00:59:04.405>in <00:59:04.565>the <00:59:04.645>first <00:59:04.905>place. 161 00:59:05.225 --> 00:59:38.445 Oh, <00:59:05.405>they're <00:59:05.885>already <00:59:06.225>doing <00:59:06.525>that. <00:59:07.025>Yeah, <00:59:07.305>but <00:59:07.625>you <00:59:07.825>know, <00:59:08.025>convincing, <00:59:09.865>right? <00:59:10.425>Yeah. <00:59:10.605>Yeah, <00:59:11.305>yeah. <00:59:11.425>Did <00:59:11.725>you <00:59:11.845>see <00:59:12.065>any <00:59:12.285>of <00:59:12.385>that <00:59:12.545>during <00:59:12.845>your <00:59:13.085>elections? <00:59:13.645>Did <00:59:13.745>you <00:59:13.845>detect <00:59:14.185>any <00:59:14.565>weirdness <00:59:15.245>going <00:59:15.505>on, <00:59:15.865>like <00:59:15.985>foul <00:59:16.225>play? <00:59:16.845>We <00:59:17.185>didn't <00:59:17.385>have <00:59:17.625>anything <00:59:18.085>crazy, <00:59:19.085>that <00:59:19.245>crazy <00:59:19.605>happening <00:59:20.005>in

<00:59:20.225>our <00:59:20.425>state, <00:59:20.705>but <00:59:20.905>in <00:59:21.065>Texas <00:59:21.465>they <00:59:21.825>did. <00:59:22.285>They <00:59:22.485>made <00:59:22.665>a <00:59:22.765>whole <00:59:22.925>video <00:59:23.345>of <00:59:23.965>one <00:59:24.525>opponent <00:59:25.365>singing <00:59:26.185>a <00:59:26.645>kind <00:59:26.765>of <00:59:26.905>crazy <00:59:27.365>song <00:59:27.865>in <00:59:28.105>a <00:59:28.225>dress <00:59:28.625>or <00:59:28.885>something. <00:59:29.645>And <00:59:30.125>I <00:59:30.285>don't <00:59:30.465>know <00:59:30.605>if <00:59:30.765>it <00:59:30.865>went <00:59:31.045>out <00:59:31.245>over <00:59:31.565>the <00:59:31.885>regular <00:59:32.365>TV <00:59:33.005>waves, <00:59:33.725>but <00:59:33.985>it <00:59:34.085>went <00:59:34.285>out <00:59:34.565>online <00:59:35.165>and <00:59:35.605>then <00:59:35.765>it <00:59:35.905>got <00:59:36.085>played <00:59:36.465>on <00:59:36.705>all <00:59:36.865>the <00:59:37.025>news <00:59:37.425>stations. 162 00:59:38.445 --> 01:00:12.905 Okay, <00:59:39.385>yeah, <00:59:40.125>yep. <00:59:40.625>Personally, <00:59:41.685>I'm <00:59:41.845>never <00:59:42.145>going <00:59:42.305>to <00:59:42.405>listen <00:59:42.645>to <00:59:42.845>a <00:59:42.985>blog <00:59:43.185>post. <00:59:44.565>But <00:59:44.965>I'll <00:59:45.185>happily <00:59:45.525>listen <00:59:45.925>to <00:59:46.285>podcast <00:59:47.125>episodes, <00:59:47.825>which <00:59:48.465>I <00:59:48.605>suppose <00:59:48.905>in <00:59:49.105>a <00:59:49.225>sense <00:59:49.405>is <00:59:49.645>very <00:59:49.885>much <00:59:50.065>like <00:59:50.285>a <00:59:50.385>blog, <00:59:50.625>but <00:59:50.665>I <00:59:50.745>don't <00:59:50.865>really <00:59:51.025>know <00:59:51.205>why <00:59:51.405>that <00:59:51.545>is. <00:59:51.785>I <00:59:51.945>just <00:59:52.165>think <00:59:52.305>I'm <00:59:52.485>sitting <00:59:52.825>and <00:59:53.505>I've <00:59:53.585>scrolled <00:59:53.925>to <00:59:53.985>it <00:59:54.065>on <00:59:54.185>my <00:59:54.445>website. <00:59:55.245>I <00:59:55.645>enjoy <00:59:55.985>the <00:59:56.225>process <00:59:56.545>of <00:59:56.745>reading. <00:59:57.185>I <00:59:57.245>just, <00:59:57.585>I <00:59:57.685>like <00:59:58.065>reading <00:59:58.545>as <00:59:58.985>an <00:59:59.085>activity, <00:59:59.465>but <00:59:59.745>I <00:59:59.865>can <01:00:00.025>see <01:00:00.225>why <01:00:00.485>you <01:00:00.685>might <01:00:00.905>want <01:00:01.065>to <01:00:01.185>use <01:00:01.425>it. <01:00:01.565>Anyway, <01:00:02.365>it's <01:00:02.445>going <01:00:02.525>to <01:00:02.585>be <01:00:02.705>there <01:00:02.925>now. <01:00:03.605>And <01:00:04.125>I'm <01:00:04.565>guessing <01:00:05.025>with <01:00:05.365>this <01:00:05.545>current <01:00:06.245>state <01:00:06.545>of <01:00:06.665>technology, <01:00:07.105>it <01:00:07.485>will <01:00:07.645>be <01:00:07.845>pennies <01:00:08.805>to <01:00:09.505>turn, <01:00:10.185>let's <01:00:10.725>say, <01:00:10.945>a 3000

<01:00:11.345>word <01:00:11.705>article <01:00:12.105>into <01:00:12.405>audio. 163 01:00:13.305 --> 01:00:20.325 You <01:00:13.805>won't, <01:00:14.345>you <01:00:14.705>know, <01:00:14.825>it'll <01:00:14.965>be <01:00:15.065>some <01:00:15.285>generic <01:00:15.685>voice, <01:00:16.285>but <01:00:16.385>I'll <01:00:16.685>bet <01:00:16.985>it'll <01:00:17.305>sound <01:00:17.685>like <01:00:17.985>it <01:00:18.145>was <01:00:18.305>done <01:00:18.565>well. <01:00:19.205>You <01:00:19.265>know, <01:00:19.485>it's <01:00:19.885>unlikely. 164 01:00:21.785 --> 01:00:22.165 What's <01:00:21.985>that? 165 01:00:23.125 --> 01:00:25.025 No, <01:00:23.645>I just <01:00:23.785>said <01:00:23.925>don't <01:00:24.185>say <01:00:24.345>that <01:00:24.505>about <01:00:24.705>yourself. 166 01:00:28.125 --> 01:00:34.865 No, <01:00:28.725>it'll <01:00:28.925>sound <01:00:29.185>brilliant. <01:00:29.705>I'm <01:00:30.125>sure <01:00:30.265>it'll <01:00:30.485>sound <01:00:30.705>brilliant. <01:00:30.985>So <01:00:31.245>anyway, <01:00:31.645>that's <01:00:31.785>good. <01:00:32.445>Dave, <01:00:33.125>according <01:00:33.345>to <01:00:33.505>Nomad <01:00:33.865>Scape, <01:00:34.165>but <01:00:34.205>oh, <01:00:34.425>yeah, <01:00:34.565>he <01:00:34.645>did. 167 01:00:35.025 --> 01:00:38.685 I <01:00:35.105>couldn't, <01:00:35.445>I <01:00:35.685>couldn't <01:00:36.305>decide <01:00:36.545>which <01:00:36.825>video <01:00:37.125>to <01:00:37.425>choose. <01:00:38.245>Um. 168 01:00:39.030 --> 01:01:23.450 Dave, according to Nomad Skateboarding, had another good video on the drag-and-drop, and he did. He's kind of reimagined what the block editor might look like, and it's really good. He's got, like, this column approach, you know, these lanes where you can drop and resize and pull things around, and it's really nice. It's nothing you haven't seen before, but it's inside the context of this new interface that I've just shown. So it's pretty good. Courtney says her internet was out for a few hours during election day, including the ISP website. Definitely suspicious timing. Oh, yeah? Oh, should write a blog post. And in a few years, Taco says, Nathan will no longer invite us, but just generate an episode with our voices. 169 01:01:23.450 --> 01:01:31.050 Taco, <01:01:24.330>I <01:01:24.530>haven't <01:01:24.770>been <01:01:24.890>on <01:01:25.030>this <01:01:25.210>show <01:01:25.450>since <01:01:25.790>probably <01:01:26.390>February <01:01:26.850>last <01:01:27.230>year. <01:01:29.090>Yeah, <01:01:29.610>I'm <01:01:29.690>having <01:01:29.850>a <01:01:29.970>cup <01:01:30.130>of <01:01:30.230>tea <01:01:30.490>at <01:01:30.750>the <01:01:30.850>minute. 170 01:01:32.370 --> 01:01:35.970 Well, <01:01:32.970>all <01:01:33.170>of <01:01:33.270>Taco's <01:01:33.890>comments <01:01:34.490>have <01:01:34.670>also <01:01:34.870>been <01:01:35.050>generated <01:01:35.490>by... 171 01:01:35.970 --> 01:02:07.295 That's <01:01:36.270>right, <01:01:36.630>you <01:01:36.730>know, <01:01:36.930>that's <01:01:37.170>exactly <01:01:37.450>right. <01:01:37.770>It's <01:01:37.950>not <01:01:38.110>even <01:01:38.290>him. <01:01:38.890>I <01:01:39.230>saw <01:01:39.630>a <01:01:40.150>really...so <01:01:41.290>maybe <01:01:41.810>you've <01:01:42.050>seen <01:01:42.210>this <01:01:42.370>a <01:01:42.530>thousand <01:01:42.750>times, <01:01:43.070>but <01:01:43.150>to <01:01:43.290>me <01:01:43.430>it <01:01:43.550>was <01:01:43.690>quite <01:01:43.870>novel. <01:01:44.230>I <01:01:44.290>hadn't <01:01:44.490>seen <01:01:44.650>it <01:01:44.750>before. <01:01:45.130>It <01:01:45.190>was <01:01:45.330>somebody <01:01:45.610>who <01:01:45.770>was <01:01:45.910>recording <01:01:46.390>themselves <01:01:47.090>in <01:01:47.650>a...they <01:01:49.010>were <01:01:49.170>interviewing <01:01:49.670>somebody <01:01:50.130>for <01:01:50.330>a <01:01:50.450>job. <01:01:51.335>And <01:01:51.995>they <01:01:52.235>were <01:01:52.495>capturing <01:01:53.035>who <01:01:54.415>they <01:01:54.575>were. <01:01:54.675>So <01:01:54.815>it <01:01:54.875>was <01:01:54.935>a <01:01:55.015>Zoom <01:01:55.215>call, <01:01:55.535>basically. <01:01:56.475>And <01:01:56.995>it <01:01:57.175>went <01:01:57.395>really <01:01:57.935>well <01:01:58.495>until <01:01:59.395>they've <01:02:00.115>now <01:02:00.315>got <01:02:00.555>this <01:02:00.875>question <01:02:01.635>in <01:02:02.155>the <01:02:02.575>whole <01:02:03.495>process <01:02:03.895>of <01:02:04.055>doing <01:02:04.215>the <01:02:04.355>interview. <01:02:04.675>And <01:02:04.915>it's <01:02:05.135>something <01:02:05.555>about <01:02:05.895>just <01:02:06.175>scratching <01:02:06.635>your <01:02:06.895>face. 172 01:02:07.715 --> 01:02:34.895 And <01:02:08.235>so <01:02:08.415>they <01:02:08.575>asked <01:02:08.895>the <01:02:09.115>candidate, <01:02:09.715>can <01:02:09.815>you <01:02:09.935>just <01:02:10.075>scratch <01:02:10.335>your <01:02:10.495>face? <01:02:10.895>And <01:02:11.015>then <01:02:11.135>this <01:02:11.355>candidate <01:02:11.695>who'd <01:02:11.955>done <01:02:12.095>really <01:02:12.555>well <01:02:12.855>in <01:02:13.075>the <01:02:13.195>job <01:02:13.415>interview <01:02:13.815>was <01:02:14.055>like <01:02:14.295>going <01:02:14.615>gangbusters, <01:02:15.495>couldn't <01:02:16.335>do <01:02:16.595>it, <01:02:17.215>just <01:02:17.595>couldn't <01:02:18.175>scratch <01:02:18.515>their <01:02:18.735>face. <01:02:19.735>No, <01:02:20.235>no, <01:02:20.375>I <01:02:20.455>can't <01:02:20.655>do <01:02:20.795>that. <01:02:21.175>I'm <01:02:21.575>not <01:02:21.715>willing <01:02:21.935>to <01:02:22.135>do <01:02:22.255>that. <01:02:22.455>Why <01:02:22.795>aren't <01:02:23.035>you <01:02:23.115>willing <01:02:23.295>to <01:02:23.435>do <01:02:23.515>that? <01:02:23.915>And <01:02:24.315>all <01:02:24.655>these <01:02:24.835>excuses <01:02:25.255>came <01:02:25.515>out <01:02:25.675>and <01:02:25.775>it <01:02:25.855>was <01:02:25.955>like,

<01:02:26.535>wow, <01:02:27.035>that's <01:02:27.475>an <01:02:27.595>AI. <01:02:28.115>We <01:02:28.315>would <01:02:28.455>never <01:02:28.795>have <01:02:28.975>known <01:02:29.195>without <01:02:29.435>the <01:02:29.675>scratching <01:02:30.075>the <01:02:30.275>face <01:02:30.535>question. <01:02:31.015>So <01:02:31.295>just <01:02:31.635>so <01:02:31.955>that <01:02:32.135>you <01:02:32.255>know, <01:02:33.395>definitely <01:02:33.755>I'm <01:02:34.535>real. 173 01:02:35.595 --> 01:02:41.675 But <01:02:35.875>you'll <01:02:36.055>notice <01:02:36.375>neither <01:02:36.635>Cammy <01:02:37.135>or <01:02:37.275>Leslie <01:02:37.595>have <01:02:37.795>managed <01:02:38.095>to <01:02:38.255>do <01:02:38.435>it. <01:02:38.795>So <01:02:38.935>draw <01:02:39.595>from <01:02:40.855>that <01:02:41.055>what <01:02:41.275>you <01:02:41.455>want. 174 01:02:41.675 --> 01:02:51.935 It <01:02:42.035>wasn't <01:02:42.515>wasn't <01:02:42.915>more <01:02:43.155>than <01:02:43.355>one <01:02:43.655>person <01:02:44.095>on <01:02:44.375>that <01:02:44.615>interview, <01:02:45.535>AI, <01:02:46.175>and <01:02:46.375>then <01:02:46.535>they <01:02:46.735>got <01:02:46.955>in <01:02:47.135>a <01:02:47.215>loop <01:02:47.535>and <01:02:47.775>they <01:02:47.915>couldn't <01:02:48.255>get <01:02:48.375>out <01:02:48.675>of <01:02:48.835>the <01:02:48.995>loop. <01:02:49.275>I <01:02:49.635>believe <01:02:50.015>it. <01:02:50.355>That <01:02:50.555>is <01:02:50.915>what <01:02:51.155>happened, <01:02:51.795>too. 175 01:02:51.935 --> 01:03:19.285 Awesome. <01:02:52.755>That's <01:02:53.175>all right. <01:02:53.245>Yeah. <01:02:54.165>What <01:02:54.505>are <01:02:56.685>we <01:02:56.945>doing <01:02:57.205>to <01:02:57.465>ourselves? <01:02:58.445>I <01:02:58.965>mean, <01:02:59.825>who's, <01:03:00.265>like, <01:03:01.005>for <01:03:01.225>a <01:03:01.365>start, <01:03:01.945>if <01:03:02.065>your <01:03:02.585>AI <01:03:02.925>gets <01:03:03.325>the <01:03:03.525>job, <01:03:04.265>presumably <01:03:05.125>that's <01:03:05.485>going <01:03:05.585>to <01:03:05.645>be <01:03:05.745>a <01:03:05.845>fully <01:03:06.085>distributed <01:03:06.645>remote <01:03:06.985>job <01:03:07.365>where <01:03:07.565>you'll <01:03:07.745>never <01:03:08.065>have <01:03:08.285>to <01:03:08.425>show <01:03:08.645>up <01:03:08.805>and <01:03:08.885>do <01:03:09.045>anything <01:03:09.505>in <01:03:09.845>person, <01:03:10.185>because <01:03:10.445>you <01:03:10.665>don't, <01:03:11.125>for <01:03:11.205>a <01:03:11.285>start, <01:03:11.485>you <01:03:11.565>don't <01:03:11.745>look <01:03:12.065>like <01:03:12.305>that <01:03:12.485>person. <01:03:13.005>But <01:03:13.525>also, <01:03:13.925>you <01:03:13.985>presumably <01:03:14.485>don't <01:03:14.745>have <01:03:14.865>the <01:03:14.985>capacity <01:03:15.425>to <01:03:15.825>do <01:03:16.165>whatever <01:03:16.565>it <01:03:16.825>was <01:03:17.065>that <01:03:17.245>they <01:03:17.405>require <01:03:17.885>from <01:03:18.125>the

<01:03:18.245>interview. <01:03:18.765>Otherwise... 176 01:03:19.285 --> 01:03:23.105 Your <01:03:19.505>AI <01:03:20.005>agent <01:03:20.585>might <01:03:20.925>be <01:03:21.165>able <01:03:21.465>to <01:03:21.685>do <01:03:21.885>it, <01:03:22.325>so <01:03:22.425>you <01:03:22.605>just... 177 01:03:23.105 --> 01:03:46.355 Just hang around. Your AI agent might do it. Yeah. I wonder how many people are... Yeah. I wonder how many people are actually getting paid to do absolutely nothing at the moment. Da-da-da-da-da-da. It's a very existential taco. We don't know. I think I've seen you at a WordCamp, but I can never be sure. 178 01:03:47.775 --> 01:04:00.815 That's <01:03:48.215>exactly <01:03:48.655>the <01:03:48.895>kind <01:03:49.175>of <01:03:49.475>comment <01:03:49.935>an <01:03:50.075>AI <01:03:50.355>would <01:03:50.595>write. <01:03:50.995>Exactly. <01:03:51.875>Exactly. <01:03:52.815>Yeah. <01:03:54.315>Whenever <01:03:54.755>I've <01:03:55.135>met <01:03:55.295>Taco, <01:03:55.775>as <01:03:55.835>soon <01:03:56.135>as <01:03:56.295>I <01:03:56.395>turn <01:03:56.635>my <01:03:56.795>back <01:03:56.995>on <01:03:57.095>him <01:03:57.155>and <01:03:57.275>walk <01:03:57.495>away, <01:03:57.775>I'm <01:03:57.835>always <01:03:58.015>left <01:03:58.215>with <01:03:58.355>this <01:03:58.495>sense <01:03:58.735>of, <01:03:59.015>I'm <01:03:59.675>not <01:03:59.855>sure <01:04:00.155>about <01:04:00.455>that. 179 01:04:03.375 --> 01:04:04.395 What <01:04:03.815>just <01:04:04.015>happened? 180 01:04:06.615 --> 01:04:17.375 So <01:04:07.055>here <01:04:07.215>we <01:04:07.315>go. <01:04:07.695>Right. <01:04:07.975>So <01:04:08.235>this <01:04:08.475>is <01:04:08.635>Courtney. <01:04:08.915>I <01:04:09.255>switched <01:04:09.575>to <01:04:09.795>this <01:04:09.935>provider <01:04:10.275>four <01:04:10.495>months <01:04:10.735>ago <01:04:10.915>and <01:04:11.055>never <01:04:11.235>had <01:04:11.435>an <01:04:11.555>issue <01:04:11.795>before. <01:04:12.575>Well, <01:04:12.935>I <01:04:12.975>don't <01:04:13.135>know. <01:04:14.095>And <01:04:14.415>Taco's <01:04:14.815>back. <01:04:15.095>I'm <01:04:15.235>sure <01:04:15.415>that <01:04:15.575>has <01:04:15.795>motivated <01:04:16.215>some <01:04:16.555>people <01:04:16.835>to <01:04:16.955>go <01:04:17.115>and <01:04:17.215>vote. 181 01:04:17.515 --> 01:04:19.455 What <01:04:17.615>else <01:04:17.735>can <01:04:17.875>you <01:04:17.975>do <01:04:18.135>without <01:04:18.375>any <01:04:18.675>internet <01:04:19.055>connection? 182 01:04:20.755 --> 01:04:44.725 In <01:04:21.075>my <01:04:21.295>part <01:04:21.575>of <01:04:21.655>the <01:04:21.735>world, <01:04:22.395>most <01:04:22.975>people, <01:04:23.655>as <01:04:24.335>far <01:04:24.455>as <01:04:24.555>I'm <01:04:24.675>aware, <01:04:24.915>we <01:04:24.955>don't <01:04:25.115>have <01:04:25.215>any <01:04:25.555>machines <01:04:26.235>that <01:04:26.595>you <01:04:26.735>can <01:04:26.915>vote <01:04:27.155>on. <01:04:27.395>You <01:04:27.455>have <01:04:27.595>to <01:04:27.735>vote <01:04:27.955>with <01:04:28.115>a <01:04:28.215>piece <01:04:28.455>of <01:04:28.555>paper. <01:04:29.325>You <01:04:29.825>always <01:04:30.165>have, <01:04:30.525>and <01:04:30.665>I <01:04:30.965>don't <01:04:31.105>think <01:04:31.205>there's <01:04:31.365>any <01:04:31.545>moves <01:04:32.185>to <01:04:32.405>do, <01:04:32.745>like, <01:04:33.465>electronic <01:04:33.785>voting. <01:04:34.425>You <01:04:34.525>can <01:04:34.685>post <01:04:35.165>it, <01:04:35.685>so <01:04:36.065>you <01:04:36.145>can <01:04:36.225>get <01:04:36.365>it <01:04:36.465>a <01:04:36.545>few <01:04:36.665>days <01:04:36.885>in <01:04:37.045>advance <01:04:37.265>and <01:04:37.425>pop <01:04:37.585>it <01:04:37.725>in <01:04:37.805>the <01:04:37.885>post, <01:04:38.145>but <01:04:38.245>it's <01:04:38.445>still <01:04:38.665>you <01:04:38.985>with <01:04:39.185>a <01:04:39.325>pencil <01:04:40.025>or <01:04:41.505>a <01:04:41.725>pen <01:04:41.865>on <01:04:42.025>a <01:04:42.105>piece <01:04:42.345>of <01:04:42.445>paper <01:04:42.725>that <01:04:42.905>you <01:04:43.005>then, <01:04:43.345>you <01:04:43.525>know, <01:04:43.685>then <01:04:43.805>gets <01:04:44.005>dropped <01:04:44.205>into <01:04:44.445>a <01:04:44.545>box. 183 01:04:44.865 --> 01:05:21.845 I don't see why that system needed to be changed. Like, why do we need voting machines? Let's just all vote on a piece of paper, then we can actually count them. There we go. That's my wisdom for the week. Right, let's move on. Quick hat tip to Mr. Westgard. We spoke about him earlier. Mark Westgard, he's put a... I wanted to keep the theme of random going. Yeah. So he dropped this, a random text detection system. So if you're using WSForm and your emails are getting spammed, be, I don't know, let's say, for example, by a random email address at gmail.com or something like that. 184 01:05:21.845 --> 01:06:03.645 Obviously, <01:05:22.345>it's <01:05:22.385>easy <01:05:22.645>to <01:05:22.805>set <01:05:23.005>those <01:05:23.225>things <01:05:23.425>up <01:05:23.645>on <01:05:23.805>automation, <01:05:25.045>set <01:05:25.165>up <01:05:25.305>a <01:05:25.425>random <01:05:25.665>email <01:05:25.985>address, <01:05:27.025>send <01:05:27.225>out <01:05:27.385>a <01:05:27.485>bunch <01:05:27.665>of <01:05:27.805>forms, <01:05:28.425>waste <01:05:28.625>your <01:05:28.865>time. <01:05:29.165>He's <01:05:30.305>now <01:05:30.445>got <01:05:30.605>this <01:05:30.765>random <01:05:31.125>detector, <01:05:31.685>which <01:05:32.045>will <01:05:32.205>spam <01:05:32.625>things <01:05:33.125>where <01:05:33.405>there's <01:05:33.585>an <01:05:33.685>intuition <01:05:34.185>that <01:05:34.525>it's, <01:05:35.005>you <01:05:36.005>know, <01:05:36.225>some... <01:05:36.605>Hmm… <01:05:37.225>So <01:05:37.545>some <01:05:38.165>bot <01:05:38.465>somewhere <01:05:38.825>has <01:05:39.105>created <01:05:39.505>it. <01:05:40.425>Maybe <01:05:40.945>the <01:05:41.125>same

<01:05:41.345>will <01:05:41.565>be <01:05:41.725>true <01:05:42.065>inside <01:05:42.645>of <01:05:42.905>the <01:05:42.985>forms <01:05:43.285>as <01:05:43.545>well. <01:05:44.005>And <01:05:44.285>you <01:05:44.545>can <01:05:44.685>go <01:05:44.825>and <01:05:44.965>retrieve <01:05:45.265>it <01:05:45.505>from <01:05:45.745>spam <01:05:46.345>if <01:05:46.745>it <01:05:46.905>turns <01:05:47.185>out <01:05:47.365>not <01:05:47.545>to <01:05:47.705>be <01:05:47.825>spam. <01:05:48.185>But <01:05:48.285>just <01:05:48.445>I <01:05:48.625>think <01:05:48.745>that's <01:05:48.945>a <01:05:49.025>really <01:05:49.205>good <01:05:49.385>idea. <01:05:50.065>I <01:05:50.585>have, <01:05:51.305>I <01:05:51.945>was <01:05:52.065>saying <01:05:52.245>this <01:05:52.465>last <01:05:52.725>week, <01:05:53.285>I've <01:05:53.605>got, <01:05:53.965>I <01:05:54.325>reckon, <01:05:54.865>a <01:05:55.025>40x <01:05:56.525>increase <01:05:57.165>in <01:05:57.525>the <01:05:57.625>amount <01:05:57.885>of <01:05:58.085>spam <01:05:58.485>I'm <01:05:58.845>getting <01:05:59.145>over <01:06:01.685>the <01:06:01.905>last <01:06:02.425>three <01:06:02.985>months. 185 01:06:04.725 --> 01:06:30.105 But <01:06:05.305>the <01:06:05.545>thing <01:06:05.745>is, <01:06:06.145>it's <01:06:06.265>originating <01:06:07.165>from <01:06:07.945>a <01:06:08.145>not <01:06:08.545>spam <01:06:09.085>source. <01:06:09.985>So <01:06:10.465>I <01:06:10.625>get <01:06:10.765>the <01:06:10.905>WP <01:06:11.445>Tavern <01:06:11.905>contact <01:06:12.345>form. <01:06:13.305>And <01:06:13.885>I <01:06:13.985>get <01:06:14.165>the <01:06:14.285>WP <01:06:14.805>Builds <01:06:15.325>contact <01:06:15.605>form. <01:06:16.725>And <01:06:17.305>you <01:06:17.965>just <01:06:18.305>get <01:06:18.625>heaps <01:06:19.085>of <01:06:19.305>trash <01:06:20.325>coming <01:06:20.665>through <01:06:20.885>it. <01:06:21.365>Akismet <01:06:21.925>gets <01:06:22.185>rid <01:06:22.345>of <01:06:22.525>the <01:06:22.785>vast <01:06:23.085>majority <01:06:23.485>of <01:06:23.785>it, <01:06:24.305>but <01:06:24.765>still <01:06:25.245>quite <01:06:25.665>a <01:06:25.825>lot <01:06:25.925>of <01:06:26.045>it <01:06:26.165>gets <01:06:26.425>through. <01:06:26.865>And <01:06:27.185>it's <01:06:27.365>not <01:06:27.665>spam <01:06:28.225>in <01:06:28.645>the <01:06:28.765>sense <01:06:29.045>that <01:06:29.225>it's <01:06:29.465>on <01:06:29.725>message. 186 01:06:30.105 --> 01:07:13.165 It's actually dealing with a thing. But the message itself is obviously written by an AI because it's following this. You know, I've got a plug-in, it does this, da-da-da-da-da, and on it goes. And you can tell that no human's been in touch with that email at any point. So that then leads me to this one, which is right at the end, but I'll loop it in now. This is the GoDaddy CEO who's saying that he won't read work that is written by an AI. And I am starting to have the same intuition. If I detect that something has been written by an AI, so these contact forms are a perfect point in case. 187 01:07:13.985 --> 01:08:02.190 They have legitimate links, they go to legitimate plug-ins by legitimate people who legitimately want to fill out the form, but they've got an AI to write the email. And I just think, you know, that's almost you basically saying, I can't be bothered, but you should be. So, I'm going to take one second to write an email that it's going to take you three minutes to read, and I think there's something a bit skewed and a bit messed up about that transactional nature in the head of the person thinking, yeah, that's a reasonable thing to do. I don't think it is, and I think, increasingly, I'm going to take the opinion that if I detect it's written by an AI, it's just going to go in the bin without a reply. 188 01:08:03.530 --> 01:08:06.550 Leslie's <01:08:03.930>nodding. <01:08:04.550>Yeah? <01:08:04.850>Similar? <01:08:05.390>You <01:08:05.490>got <01:08:05.630>the <01:08:05.750>same <01:08:05.950>intuitions? 189 01:08:07.330 --> 01:08:27.930 No, <01:08:07.810>I <01:08:07.910>just <01:08:08.070>like <01:08:08.270>how <01:08:08.670>you <01:08:09.430>thought <01:08:09.630>about <01:08:09.850>it. <01:08:11.250>Yeah, <01:08:11.770>in <01:08:11.910>terms <01:08:12.190>of <01:08:12.350>the <01:08:12.470>amount <01:08:12.670>of <01:08:12.790>time <01:08:13.010>it <01:08:13.190>takes, <01:08:13.650>right? <01:08:14.610>Yeah, <01:08:15.150>yeah. <01:08:15.430>It's <01:08:15.550>like, <01:08:16.130>they <01:08:16.270>want <01:08:17.010>something <01:08:17.310>from <01:08:17.530>you, <01:08:17.850>but <01:08:17.910>they <01:08:18.050>spent <01:08:18.370>five <01:08:18.970>seconds <01:08:19.410>asking <01:08:19.950>AI <01:08:20.330>to <01:08:20.530>write <01:08:20.730>a <01:08:21.270>crappy <01:08:21.610>email, <01:08:22.230>but <01:08:22.570>then <01:08:22.690>they <01:08:22.810>want <01:08:22.950>you <01:08:23.090>to <01:08:23.250>spend <01:08:23.450>the <01:08:23.650>one <01:08:23.810>hour <01:08:24.050>or <01:08:24.290>two <01:08:24.390>hours <01:08:24.870>to <01:08:25.550>do <01:08:25.850>whatever <01:08:26.230>it <01:08:26.450>is <01:08:26.550>that <01:08:26.690>they <01:08:26.830>want <01:08:26.970>you <01:08:27.090>to <01:08:27.190>do, <01:08:27.790>right? 190 01:08:27.930 --> 01:09:09.150 And here's the interesting intuition, sorry, the interesting information I also have. They basically drop simultaneously into the Tavern website. Bye. And WP Builds website. So they've obviously been written. WP Tavern, WP Builds have got on an email list somewhere, which has been, you know, lots of plug-in people are using. Drops into both of them within like 10 seconds or 15 seconds, something like that. It drops into them both and, you know, and you just sort of think, gosh, you know, you probably get a lot further just by reaching out and actually having a conversation than by dropping some generic boilerplate. 191 01:09:09.150 --> 01:09:34.490 And <01:09:09.490>if

<01:09:09.850>English <01:09:10.130>is <01:09:10.390>not <01:09:10.590>your <01:09:10.790>first <01:09:11.130>language, <01:09:12.130>you <01:09:12.930>know <01:09:13.070>what, <01:09:13.470>I'm <01:09:13.710>going <01:09:13.870>to, <01:09:14.090>I'm <01:09:14.230>really <01:09:14.550>going <01:09:14.730>to <01:09:14.850>enjoy <01:09:15.350>reading <01:09:16.050>an <01:09:16.390>email <01:09:16.690>where <01:09:16.990>you <01:09:17.170>put <01:09:17.410>in <01:09:17.550>the <01:09:17.650>effort <01:09:17.910>to <01:09:18.170>get <01:09:18.390>through <01:09:18.690>the <01:09:18.950>English <01:09:19.230>language <01:09:19.610>bit, <01:09:19.930>because <01:09:20.890>I'll <01:09:21.170>see <01:09:21.390>the <01:09:21.570>effort, <01:09:21.910>if <01:09:22.250>you <01:09:22.330>know <01:09:22.450>what <01:09:22.550>I <01:09:22.610>mean. <01:09:23.350>Does <01:09:23.910>that <01:09:24.030>make <01:09:24.210>sense? <01:09:24.810>Anyway, <01:09:25.390>I <01:09:25.610>think <01:09:25.850>there's <01:09:26.210>a <01:09:26.330>difference <01:09:26.750>between, <01:09:27.310>like, <01:09:28.190>having <01:09:28.470>my <01:09:28.810>AI <01:09:29.270>email <01:09:29.770>your <01:09:30.090>AI <01:09:30.610>versus <01:09:31.230>having <01:09:31.810>AI <01:09:32.270>help <01:09:32.790>you <01:09:33.070>send <01:09:33.470>an <01:09:33.630>email. <01:09:34.050>Right. 192 01:09:34.710 --> 01:10:06.140 Like, <01:09:34.830>I <01:09:34.910>use <01:09:35.270>it <01:09:35.450>all <01:09:35.730>day, <01:09:36.150>every <01:09:36.390>day <01:09:36.690>in <01:09:36.890>helping <01:09:37.170>me <01:09:37.410>formulate <01:09:37.990>communication <01:09:39.470>with <01:09:40.050>clients <01:09:40.590>if <01:09:40.930>I'm <01:09:41.130>having <01:09:41.330>a <01:09:41.450>hard <01:09:41.650>time <01:09:41.910>with <01:09:42.130>something. <01:09:42.790>And <01:09:42.850>then... <01:09:43.660>You <01:09:44.160>know, <01:09:44.540>in <01:09:44.840>terms <01:09:45.140>of <01:09:45.400>GoDaddy, <01:09:46.300>and <01:09:47.140>I <01:09:47.760>feel <01:09:48.040>like <01:09:48.420>having <01:09:49.020>kind <01:09:49.480>of <01:09:49.640>that <01:09:49.900>stringent <01:09:50.620>rule, <01:09:51.440>he's <01:09:52.800>not <01:09:52.940>going <01:09:53.060>to <01:09:53.120>be <01:09:53.220>reading <01:09:53.520>a <01:09:53.660>whole <01:09:53.760>lot <01:09:53.980>of <01:09:54.080>emails <01:09:54.500>because <01:09:54.960>everybody <01:09:55.720>is <01:09:56.140>using <01:09:56.660>AI <01:09:57.280>in <01:09:57.660>some <01:09:57.960>way <01:09:58.240>to <01:09:58.400>help <01:09:58.620>them <01:09:58.840>write, <01:09:59.320>whether <01:09:59.460>you're <01:09:59.800>using <01:10:00.220>Whisperflow <01:10:00.940>to <01:10:01.840>say <01:10:02.380>what <01:10:02.680>you're <01:10:03.020>typing <01:10:03.560>and <01:10:03.960>then <01:10:04.140>it's <01:10:04.460>making <01:10:04.780>corrections <01:10:05.320>for <01:10:05.780>you. 193 01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:11.800 So <01:10:08.960>I <01:10:09.400>feel <01:10:09.620>like <01:10:09.860>it's <01:10:10.160>not <01:10:10.880>as <01:10:11.080>black <01:10:11.300>and <01:10:11.520>white. 194 01:10:12.240 --> 01:10:42.420 Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. I think it's the transactional nature of it. So these are not people that I know. So it's not like I'm communicating with a client where, you know, we've done the hard work of figuring out who we are and whether or not we're reliable. This is somebody that just essentially would like me to look at their plugin and, you know, in many cases just feature it on something. Yeah. And it's fine. You can do that. There's no proclivity. There's no mechanism I have to stop you from doing that, but it's not going to go very far. 195 01:10:42.420 --> 01:10:52.415 All right. It's not the best impression. That's right. Yeah, it's not the best impression. I think you've got it. And we now know that Ollie is responsible because he said so much. 196 01:10:53.015 --> 01:11:24.355 Sorry <01:10:53.415>for <01:10:53.575>saying <01:10:53.835>that. <01:10:54.475>I <01:10:54.875>can <01:10:55.195>tell <01:10:55.395>you, <01:10:55.555>Ollie, <01:10:55.795>it's <01:10:55.895>not <01:10:56.075>you. <01:10:57.595>Yeah, <01:10:58.195>I <01:10:58.535>should <01:10:58.735>keep <01:10:58.975>them. <01:10:59.335>Some <01:10:59.475>of <01:10:59.555>them <01:10:59.655>I <01:10:59.775>should <01:10:59.915>put <01:11:00.095>in <01:11:00.195>like <01:11:00.355>a <01:11:00.535>museum <01:11:01.035>because <01:11:01.335>some <01:11:01.555>of <01:11:01.635>them <01:11:01.755>are <01:11:01.855>just, <01:11:02.275>you <01:11:02.975>know, <01:11:03.275>they're <01:11:03.775>like <01:11:03.995>the <01:11:04.235>same <01:11:04.715>email <01:11:05.195>from <01:11:05.495>two <01:11:05.875>completely <01:11:06.735>different <01:11:07.135>plugin <01:11:07.495>developers <01:11:07.955>who've <01:11:08.255>obviously <01:11:08.655>got <01:11:08.895>more <01:11:09.295>or <01:11:09.455>less <01:11:09.655>the <01:11:09.835>exact <01:11:10.175>same <01:11:10.535>prompt, <01:11:10.995>just <01:11:11.555>substitute <01:11:12.175>plugin <01:11:12.775>name <01:11:13.155>here. <01:11:14.015>And <01:11:14.055>very <01:11:14.415>often <01:11:14.835>the <01:11:15.415>tell, <01:11:16.115>I <01:11:16.335>shouldn't <01:11:16.575>really <01:11:16.735>say <01:11:16.935>this <01:11:17.135>out <01:11:17.315>loud, <01:11:17.755>the <01:11:18.095>very, <01:11:18.475>the <01:11:18.855>quickest <01:11:19.495>way <01:11:19.755>of <01:11:19.875>knowing <01:11:20.075>it's <01:11:20.315>AI <01:11:20.515>is <01:11:20.955>where <01:11:21.115>somebody <01:11:21.515>summarizes <01:11:22.195>in <01:11:22.395>the <01:11:22.495>first <01:11:22.735>sentence <01:11:23.075>who <01:11:23.295>I <01:11:23.475>am <01:11:23.655>and <01:11:23.755>what <01:11:23.935>I <01:11:24.095>do. 197 01:11:25.115 --> 01:12:10.050 They <01:11:25.335>say, <01:11:25.695>hi, <01:11:25.915>Nathan, <01:11:26.375>you

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Yeah, you go do that. Do that now. Yeah, that's great. I think that's a good idea. We should do that. We should do running tweets during the show. I don't have the capacity to do it, but that's a really neat idea. If we did tweets about what was actually being said at the time it was being said, I could have them pre- It's already written, couldn't I? There's an interesting idea. 205 01:14:34.670 --> 01:14:39.930 You're <01:14:35.090>not <01:14:35.510>here <01:14:35.770>every <01:14:36.030>week. <01:14:37.710>Will <01:14:38.130>you <01:14:38.230>come <01:14:38.370>back <01:14:38.570>every <01:14:38.810>week <01:14:39.030>and <01:14:39.250>do <01:14:39.350>my <01:14:39.550>tweets? 206 01:14:40.470 --> 01:14:41.410 Just <01:14:40.890>that, <01:14:41.330>right? 207 01:14:42.330 --> 01:15:12.790 In order to get you to do that, I'll write you a really badly formulated AI-pleading email and I'll send it to you. Please, Blake. That's right. Hey, you've got a WordPress plugin. That's how it'll start. Right. Okay. Marcus Burnett is in the comments. Nice idea, Marcus. I know this has been around for, you know, several days now, but we didn't pick up on it last week. This is called Connect Local, and you're going to find it at that subdomain. 208 01:15:12.910 --> 01:15:40.430 It's collectlocal.mburnett.com. If you're looking at the screen, you can probably see the... It's going to be easier for me to... Oh, no, I can't zoom in on that because it's not in the UI. So it's connect... No hyphens or anything, .mburnett.com. And the idea is to connect your local, so hopefully you understand what I mean by local, your local WordPress website up to a bunch of different hosts. 209 01:15:41.130 --> 01:16:14.770 So <01:15:41.570>at <01:15:41.730>the <01:15:41.870>minute, <01:15:42.270>you're <01:15:43.410>able <01:15:43.670>to <01:15:43.910>connect <01:15:44.270>to <01:15:44.570>Bluehost, <01:15:45.630>Cloudways, <01:15:46.990>Kinsta, <01:15:47.590>Hostinger, <01:15:48.110>Pressable, <01:15:48.790>Spinup, <01:15:49.110>WP, <01:15:49.770>and <01:15:50.990>it <01:15:51.430>looks <01:15:51.970>like <01:15:52.390>they've <01:15:52.610>got <01:15:52.730>a <01:15:52.930>few <01:15:53.290>more <01:15:53.730>coming. <01:15:54.410>If <01:15:54.850>I <01:15:54.970>scroll <01:15:55.410>down, <01:15:55.710>I <01:15:55.770>don't <01:15:55.930>know <01:15:55.990>where <01:15:56.130>it's <01:15:56.330>gone, <01:15:56.670>but <01:15:56.770>somewhere <01:15:57.330>there's <01:15:57.710>a, <01:15:58.050>I <01:15:58.910>don't <01:15:59.050>know <01:15:59.130>where <01:15:59.330>I <01:15:59.510>saw <01:15:59.770>it, <01:16:00.230>Marcus, <01:16:00.630>but <01:16:00.730>I <01:16:00.850>know <01:16:01.010>you've <01:16:01.250>got <01:16:01.370>a <01:16:01.490>few <01:16:01.610>more <01:16:01.810>coming, <01:16:02.130>like <01:16:02.450>I <01:16:03.550>think <01:16:03.710>WP <01:16:04.210>Engine <01:16:04.410>was <01:16:04.670>on <01:16:04.790>the <01:16:04.910>list <01:16:05.150>or <01:16:05.350>something <01:16:05.670>like <01:16:05.910>that. <01:16:06.110>Anyway, <01:16:06.850>the <01:16:06.910>point <01:16:07.150>being <01:16:07.530>that <01:16:07.890>if <01:16:08.090>you've <01:16:08.270>got <01:16:08.450>local <01:16:08.890>websites <01:16:09.850>that <01:16:10.190>are <01:16:10.390>being <01:16:10.770>created, <01:16:11.310>you <01:16:11.370>may <01:16:11.530>not <01:16:11.730>have <01:16:11.870>had <01:16:11.970>the <01:16:12.090>capacity <01:16:12.470>to <01:16:12.710>sync

<01:16:13.110>those <01:16:13.410>up <01:16:13.650>to <01:16:13.770>your <01:16:13.950>hosting <01:16:14.290>provider. 210 01:16:15.010 --> 01:16:44.970 Well, <01:16:15.530>now <01:16:15.670>Marcus <01:16:16.110>has <01:16:16.430>done <01:16:16.670>the <01:16:16.910>heavy <01:16:18.070>lifting <01:16:18.470>with <01:16:18.890>that. <01:16:19.430>And <01:16:19.870>Marcus, <01:16:20.370>before <01:16:20.510>we <01:16:20.670>began <01:16:20.930>the <01:16:21.090>call, <01:16:21.850>the <01:16:22.030>three <01:16:22.550>of <01:16:22.750>us <01:16:23.050>were <01:16:23.470>sitting <01:16:23.730>staring <01:16:24.150>at <01:16:24.390>your <01:16:24.550>webpage <01:16:24.950>trying <01:16:25.230>to <01:16:25.370>decide <01:16:25.670>if <01:16:25.870>it <01:16:25.950>was <01:16:26.070>out <01:16:26.250>of <01:16:26.390>focus <01:16:26.890>or <01:16:28.110>if <01:16:28.330>it <01:16:28.430>was <01:16:28.570>deliberate. <01:16:28.970>Because <01:16:29.270>if <01:16:29.410>you <01:16:29.530>look <01:16:29.750>at <01:16:29.870>it, <01:16:30.410>like <01:16:30.550>the <01:16:30.690>word <01:16:30.930>connected, <01:16:31.710>it's <01:16:31.810>like, <01:16:32.150>is <01:16:32.230>it, <01:16:32.610>I <01:16:32.730>don't <01:16:32.930>know <01:16:33.010>if <01:16:33.110>it's <01:16:33.250>my <01:16:33.450>eyes. <01:16:34.230>But <01:16:35.050>if <01:16:35.550>it <01:16:35.670>was <01:16:35.810>intentional <01:16:36.310>it's <01:16:36.730>very <01:16:36.890>clever <01:16:37.210>because <01:16:37.450>it <01:16:37.550>got <01:16:37.670>us <01:16:37.810>talking <01:16:38.110>about <01:16:38.390>it. <01:16:40.570>So <01:16:41.050>go <01:16:41.450>check <01:16:41.730>it <01:16:41.870>out. <01:16:42.310>Anything <01:16:42.530>you <01:16:43.150>want <01:16:43.370>to <01:16:43.490>say <01:16:43.830>about <01:16:44.210>that, <01:16:44.630>you <01:16:44.770>two? 211 01:16:45.670 --> 01:17:14.230 I <01:16:46.150>love <01:16:46.510>the <01:16:46.710>design, <01:16:47.350>Marcus. <01:16:47.950>I just <01:16:48.130>have <01:16:48.390>to <01:16:48.610>say <01:16:48.810>that. <01:16:48.990>Isn't it nice? <01:16:49.790>Yeah, <01:16:50.410>very <01:16:50.610>cool. <01:16:51.390>Very, <01:16:51.810>very <01:16:51.930>cool. <01:16:52.310>Oh, <01:16:52.690>that <01:16:52.950>is, <01:16:53.610>wow, <01:16:54.910>that <01:16:55.130>is <01:16:55.310>animating <01:16:55.810>but <01:16:56.010>in <01:16:56.150>the <01:16:56.330>slowest <01:16:57.090>way <01:16:57.350>possible. <01:16:58.050>I <01:16:58.110>imagine <01:16:58.410>that <01:16:58.590>is <01:16:58.790>accessibility <01:16:59.590>focused <01:17:00.110>animation. <01:17:00.970>Look <01:17:01.450>at <01:17:01.550>that. <01:17:01.770>You <01:17:01.830>can <01:17:01.990>barely <01:17:02.430>see <01:17:02.750>it. <01:17:02.970>That's <01:17:03.150>lovely. <01:17:03.910>Very <01:17:04.310>subtle. <01:17:04.910>Well <01:17:05.050>done. <01:17:06.750>Okay, <01:17:07.330>moving <01:17:07.550>on <01:17:07.770>quickly. <01:17:08.850>These

<01:17:09.250>were <01:17:09.430>going <01:17:09.550>to <01:17:09.630>be <01:17:09.750>Robert's <01:17:10.250>ones. <01:17:10.690>And <01:17:11.090>obviously, <01:17:11.530>because <01:17:11.710>of <01:17:11.850>the <01:17:11.950>time <01:17:12.230>proclivities, <01:17:12.990>we <01:17:13.130>weren't <01:17:13.570>going <01:17:13.670>to <01:17:13.750>get <01:17:13.890>to <01:17:14.050>them. 212 01:17:14.390 --> 01:17:40.330 So <01:17:14.490>I'll <01:17:14.690>just <01:17:15.010>mention <01:17:15.370>them. <01:17:15.870>But <01:17:15.990>Robert <01:17:16.310>had <01:17:16.530>more <01:17:16.730>to <01:17:16.890>say <01:17:17.070>on <01:17:17.190>them. <01:17:17.370>But <01:17:17.430>sadly, <01:17:17.850>his <01:17:18.450>plane <01:17:18.750>got, <01:17:19.050>you <01:17:19.290>know, <01:17:19.530>changed <01:17:19.890>and <01:17:20.090>he <01:17:20.310>was <01:17:20.490>unable <01:17:20.810>to <01:17:21.050>stay <01:17:22.010>on <01:17:22.170>the <01:17:22.270>show. <01:17:22.470>So <01:17:23.150>this <01:17:23.390>is <01:17:23.730>Open <01:17:24.370>SSH <01:17:24.930>password <01:17:25.350>authentication <01:17:26.690>bypass <01:17:27.430>on <01:17:28.810>Alpine <01:17:29.470>Linux. <01:17:31.530>Yeah, <01:17:33.210>SSH <01:17:33.750>hole, <01:17:34.210>which <01:17:34.330>is <01:17:35.110>quite <01:17:35.470>a <01:17:38.370>nice <01:17:38.590>CVE. <01:17:39.450>So <01:17:39.750>there <01:17:39.850>was <01:17:40.010>that. 213 01:17:40.570 --> 01:18:05.910 And <01:17:40.850>then <01:17:41.110>there <01:17:41.410>was <01:17:41.550>another <01:17:41.850>one <01:17:42.150>that <01:17:42.390>he <01:17:42.530>mentioned, <01:17:43.150>and <01:17:43.190>this <01:17:43.350>is <01:17:43.490>all <01:17:43.630>about <01:17:43.810>the <01:17:43.930>WordPress <01:17:44.230>security <01:17:44.730>team. <01:17:45.330>We <01:17:45.430>were <01:17:45.570>speaking <01:17:45.790>about <01:17:46.010>AI <01:17:46.290>a <01:17:46.530>lot <01:17:46.630>on <01:17:46.790>this <01:17:46.930>show. <01:17:47.330>And <01:17:47.430>because <01:17:48.350>we're <01:17:48.690>now <01:17:48.870>getting <01:17:49.130>security <01:17:49.730>problems <01:17:50.250>coming <01:17:50.570>at <01:17:50.790>us <01:17:51.070>too <01:17:51.690>fast, <01:17:52.810>hundreds <01:17:54.230>in <01:17:54.850>a <01:17:54.930>month <01:17:55.210>now, <01:17:55.910>you <01:17:55.930>know, <01:17:56.150>outside <01:17:56.750>the <01:17:56.970>normal <01:17:57.290>bounds <01:17:57.770>of <01:17:57.990>sort <01:17:58.170>of <01:17:58.250>20 <01:17:58.610>or <01:17:58.850>30 <01:17:59.250>every <01:17:59.570>few <01:18:00.290>months, <01:18:00.830>we're <01:18:01.310>now <01:18:01.470>getting <01:18:01.710>hundreds <01:18:02.070>of <01:18:02.210>months. <01:18:02.910>Turns <01:18:03.310>out <01:18:03.470>you <01:18:03.630>can't <01:18:03.850>really <01:18:04.010>keep <01:18:04.210>up. <01:18:04.630>So <01:18:04.730>what's <01:18:05.070>the <01:18:05.170>way <01:18:05.290>to <01:18:05.430>deal <01:18:05.630>with <01:18:05.790>it? 214 01:18:05.910 --> 01:18:32.170 Well, <01:18:06.150>you <01:18:06.210>build <01:18:06.570>tools <01:18:07.010>out <01:18:07.210>of <01:18:07.330>AI <01:18:07.630>to <01:18:08.010>go <01:18:08.290>and <01:18:08.470>find <01:18:09.190>the <01:18:10.450>problems <01:18:11.350>before <01:18:11.970>other <01:18:12.530>people <01:18:12.870>do. <01:18:13.430>So <01:18:13.510>this <01:18:13.730>is <01:18:13.890>part <01:18:14.130>of <01:18:14.250>that <01:18:14.410>initiative. <01:18:15.030>And <01:18:15.530>it <01:18:15.650>says <01:18:15.830>the <01:18:15.970>WordPress <01:18:16.230>security <01:18:16.690>team <01:18:17.070>is <01:18:17.210>building <01:18:17.510>AI <01:18:17.930>tools <01:18:18.370>that <01:18:18.650>hunt <01:18:19.250>core <01:18:19.910>for <01:18:21.230>bugs <01:18:21.610>before <01:18:22.090>anyone <01:18:22.530>reports <01:18:23.050>them. <01:18:24.010>So <01:18:24.530>there <01:18:24.970>you <01:18:25.050>go. <01:18:25.370>I <01:18:25.450>guess <01:18:25.690>in <01:18:25.990>the <01:18:26.090>year <01:18:26.250>2026 <01:18:27.010>and <01:18:27.270>2027, <01:18:27.870>that's <01:18:28.210>not <01:18:28.330>really <01:18:28.570>a <01:18:28.710>surprise. <01:18:29.050>But <01:18:29.430>wow, <01:18:30.830>what <01:18:30.950>kind <01:18:31.110>of <01:18:31.210>a <01:18:31.290>world <01:18:31.510>do <01:18:31.650>we <01:18:31.790>live <01:18:31.990>in? 215 01:18:32.170 --> 01:18:42.710 We're <01:18:32.770>anything <01:18:35.350>that <01:18:35.710>will <01:18:35.890>help <01:18:36.330>is <01:18:36.750>welcome, <01:18:37.470>right? <01:18:37.830>Yeah, that's <01:18:37.890>right. <01:18:38.270>Indeed. <01:18:38.850>Yeah. <01:18:40.530>Yeah. <01:18:41.650>Anything <01:18:41.890>on <01:18:42.110>that? <01:18:42.390>You <01:18:42.570>two? 216 01:18:44.595 --> 01:19:23.635 No. <01:18:45.335>Okay. <01:18:46.495>And <01:18:46.895>then <01:18:46.995>there <01:18:47.095>was <01:18:47.195>a <01:18:47.255>bunch <01:18:47.415>of <01:18:47.535>events. <01:18:48.315>This <01:18:48.715>is <01:18:48.855>why <01:18:49.055>Robert <01:18:49.395>has <01:18:49.655>left. <01:18:50.795>But <01:18:51.195>CloudFest <01:18:51.975>Americas, <01:18:52.655>I <01:18:52.675>mean, <01:18:52.815>I <01:18:52.875>guess <01:18:53.055>it's <01:18:53.235>a <01:18:53.315>bit <01:18:53.395>late <01:18:53.615>in <01:18:53.735>the <01:18:53.815>day <01:18:54.015>if <01:18:54.175>you <01:18:54.255>haven't <01:18:54.455>got <01:18:54.535>a <01:18:54.655>ticket, <01:18:54.935>but <01:18:55.275>you <01:18:55.675>never <01:18:55.835>know. <01:18:56.095>You <01:18:56.295>might <01:18:56.475>be <01:18:56.615>in <01:18:56.715>this <01:18:56.855>neck <01:18:57.055>of <01:18:57.155>the <01:18:57.235>woods. <01:18:58.235>It's <01:18:58.635>going <01:18:58.875>on <01:18:59.215>in <01:19:00.615>a <01:19:00.915>couple <01:19:01.115>of <01:19:01.215>days' <01:19:01.615>time. <01:19:01.935>So, <01:19:02.115>11th <01:19:02.575>of <01:19:02.715>November

<01:19:03.095>through <01:19:03.435>to <01:19:03.695>the <01:19:03.795>12th. <01:19:04.295>It's <01:19:04.575>happening <01:19:04.815>in <01:19:05.015>Miami, <01:19:05.495>Florida. <01:19:05.935>There's <01:19:06.115>a <01:19:06.275>lot <01:19:06.655>of <01:19:06.795>people <01:19:07.155>going. <01:19:07.595>It's <01:19:07.755>incredibly <01:19:08.395>popular. <01:19:10.075>So, <01:19:10.615>that's <01:19:10.895>happening. <01:19:11.555>And <01:19:12.035>what <01:19:12.635>else <01:19:12.835>is <01:19:12.995>happening <01:19:13.255>in <01:19:13.455>the <01:19:13.535>WordPress <01:19:13.915>world? <01:19:14.775>This <01:19:14.915>was <01:19:15.055>another <01:19:15.295>one <01:19:15.475>Robert <01:19:15.755>wanted <01:19:16.015>to <01:19:16.215>mention, <01:19:16.635>Evolve <01:19:16.935>Digital. <01:19:17.355>It's <01:19:17.735>happening <01:19:17.935>in <01:19:18.235>New <01:19:18.495>York <01:19:18.795>City <01:19:19.175>later <01:19:20.095>on <01:19:20.335>in <01:19:20.455>the <01:19:20.535>month <01:19:20.815>in <01:19:21.095>10 <01:19:21.395>days' <01:19:21.975>time. <01:19:22.175>I'd <01:19:22.475>not <01:19:22.615>even <01:19:22.875>heard <01:19:23.175>of <01:19:23.295>that <01:19:23.435>one. 217 01:19:25.075 --> 01:19:55.775 But <01:19:25.555>it <01:19:25.635>doesn't <01:19:25.815>look <01:19:25.935>like <01:19:26.075>it's <01:19:26.235>a <01:19:26.315>WordPress <01:19:26.635>specific <01:19:27.155>thing. <01:19:27.955>But <01:19:28.215>anyway, <01:19:28.795>Robert <01:19:29.055>is <01:19:29.375>going <01:19:29.535>to <01:19:29.615>be <01:19:29.735>speaking <01:19:30.075>at <01:19:30.255>that, <01:19:30.475>I <01:19:30.535>think. <01:19:31.475>And <01:19:31.955>then <01:19:32.155>Robert <01:19:32.535>did <01:19:32.835>mention <01:19:33.375>this, <01:19:33.695>which <01:19:33.815>I <01:19:33.915>thought <01:19:34.035>was <01:19:34.195>curious. <01:19:34.675>State <01:19:34.835>of <01:19:34.995>the <01:19:35.075>word <01:19:35.555>has <01:19:36.555>been <01:19:36.815>a <01:19:36.935>bit <01:19:37.055>of <01:19:37.195>an <01:19:37.295>event. <01:19:37.555>You <01:19:38.215>know, <01:19:38.535>it <01:19:38.615>used <01:19:39.055>to <01:19:39.215>be <01:19:39.335>attached <01:19:39.695>to <01:19:39.915>WordPress <01:19:40.395>events. <01:19:41.155>And <01:19:41.195>at <01:19:41.275>the <01:19:41.355>end <01:19:41.575>of <01:19:41.735>a <01:19:41.935>sort <01:19:42.455>of <01:19:42.575>flagship <01:19:42.895>event, <01:19:43.555>Matt <01:19:44.995>Mullenweg <01:19:45.475>would <01:19:45.675>come <01:19:45.855>on <01:19:45.975>stage <01:19:46.375>and <01:19:46.995>give <01:19:47.315>his <01:19:47.555>sort <01:19:47.715>of <01:19:47.855>state <01:19:47.995>of <01:19:48.175>the <01:19:48.255>word <01:19:48.455>presentation. <01:19:49.375>Then <01:19:49.775>it <01:19:49.895>got <01:19:50.055>hived <01:19:50.555>out <01:19:50.775>into <01:19:51.155>a <01:19:51.475>dedicated <01:19:51.975>event. <01:19:52.495>And <01:19:52.775>I <01:19:52.895>know <01:19:53.055>they <01:19:53.235>did <01:19:53.395>it <01:19:53.495>in <01:19:53.615>Tokyo. <01:19:54.615>And <01:19:55.015>they <01:19:55.155>did <01:19:55.355>it <01:19:55.515>in... 218 01:19:56.050 --> 01:20:01.850 And <01:19:56.470>Lisbon, <01:19:57.270>I <01:19:57.290>think, <01:19:57.830>was <01:19:58.050>it? <01:19:58.510>And <01:19:58.590>New <01:19:58.810>York <01:19:59.190>was <01:19:59.470>another <01:19:59.710>one. <01:20:00.010>That's <01:20:00.190>right. <01:20:00.450>I think <01:20:00.550>I've <01:20:00.690>done <01:20:00.830>two. <01:20:01.410>Three. 219 01:20:03.410 --> 01:20:31.250 And <01:20:03.850>now, <01:20:04.370>though, <01:20:04.850>essentially, <01:20:06.070>we <01:20:06.370>don't <01:20:06.610>know <01:20:06.770>what's <01:20:07.030>going <01:20:07.190>on <01:20:07.350>here, <01:20:07.810>whether <01:20:07.930>or <01:20:08.090>not <01:20:08.250>that <01:20:08.450>event <01:20:08.710>has <01:20:08.930>been <01:20:09.150>mothballed <01:20:10.430>or <01:20:10.650>whether <01:20:10.990>or <01:20:11.190>not <01:20:11.510>there's <01:20:11.770>just <01:20:11.930>not <01:20:12.070>capacity <01:20:12.550>in <01:20:12.730>the <01:20:12.810>calendar. <01:20:13.130>I <01:20:13.330>don't <01:20:13.530>know. <01:20:13.830>But <01:20:13.930>if <01:20:14.070>you <01:20:14.170>go <01:20:14.330>to <01:20:14.490>the <01:20:14.630>state <01:20:14.890>of <01:20:15.030>the <01:20:15.130>world <01:20:15.350>word <01:20:15.790>2026, <01:20:17.990>obviously, <01:20:18.890>this <01:20:19.130>was <01:20:19.270>a <01:20:19.350>holding <01:20:19.610>page <01:20:19.970>put <01:20:20.230>up <01:20:20.450>until <01:20:20.930>such <01:20:21.310>times <01:20:21.690>as <01:20:21.930>an <01:20:22.330>event <01:20:22.710>location <01:20:23.570>and <01:20:24.110>time <01:20:24.550>and <01:20:24.790>what <01:20:24.990>have <01:20:25.170>you, <01:20:25.330>had <01:20:25.570>been <01:20:25.870>arranged. <01:20:26.870>But <01:20:27.350>it <01:20:27.490>does <01:20:27.730>look <01:20:27.910>like <01:20:28.170>it's, <01:20:28.590>I <01:20:29.390>don't <01:20:29.550>know, <01:20:29.950>maybe <01:20:30.110>it's <01:20:30.310>not <01:20:30.430>too <01:20:30.610>late <01:20:30.810>in <01:20:30.950>the <01:20:31.030>year. 220 01:20:31.450 --> 01:20:57.300 Maybe <01:20:31.570>this <01:20:31.810>will <01:20:31.990>still <01:20:32.450>happen. <01:20:33.010>Not a lot <01:20:33.110>of <01:20:33.250>weeks <01:20:33.530>left. <01:20:34.330>Not <01:20:34.510>a <01:20:34.710>lot <01:20:34.830>of <01:20:34.970>weeks <01:20:35.250>left. <01:20:35.970>Yeah. <01:20:36.890>Yeah. <01:20:37.930>Anyway, <01:20:38.710>so <01:20:38.890>maybe <01:20:39.170>that's <01:20:39.410>an <01:20:39.490>event <01:20:39.690>which <01:20:39.890>isn't <01:20:40.470>going <01:20:40.730>to <01:20:40.910>happen. <01:20:41.900>However, <01:20:42.980>here's <01:20:43.860>some <01:20:44.000>more <01:20:44.140>that <01:20:44.280>are. <01:20:45.040>CMSConf, <01:20:45.740>obviously <01:20:45.980>CMS

<01:20:46.360>Neutral <01:20:46.940>event, <01:20:47.220>that's <01:20:47.500>happening <01:20:47.780>in <01:20:48.700>three <01:20:49.000>days' <01:20:49.360>time, <01:20:49.740>12th <01:20:50.020>to <01:20:50.120>the <01:20:50.220>14th <01:20:50.840>of <01:20:51.180>November. <01:20:52.000>Because <01:20:52.460>it's <01:20:52.660>a <01:20:52.760>CMS <01:20:53.160>one, <01:20:53.620>I <01:20:53.680>expect <01:20:53.980>it's <01:20:54.220>probably <01:20:54.400>the <01:20:54.500>most, <01:20:54.980>you <01:20:55.100>know, <01:20:55.280>one <01:20:55.480>of <01:20:55.620>the <01:20:55.760>most <01:20:56.040>adjacent <01:20:56.400>for <01:20:56.700>WordPressers. 221 01:20:57.360 --> 01:21:20.400 I <01:20:57.420>know <01:20:57.540>there's <01:20:57.740>a <01:20:57.840>bunch <01:20:58.100>of <01:20:58.240>WordPressers <01:20:58.840>going. <01:20:59.380>There's <01:20:59.500>probably <01:20:59.740>quite <01:20:59.920>a <01:21:00.020>lot <01:21:00.100>of <01:21:00.180>WordPress <01:21:00.480>content. <01:21:01.140>But, <01:21:01.300>you <01:21:01.440>know, <01:21:01.540>if <01:21:01.620>you're <01:21:01.740>a <01:21:01.880>Drupal <01:21:02.340>or <01:21:03.240>who <01:21:03.660>knows, <01:21:04.340>you <01:21:04.380>know, <01:21:04.580>whatever <01:21:04.820>Joomla <01:21:05.300>or <01:21:05.460>CMS <01:21:05.740>that <01:21:05.980>you're <01:21:06.160>using, <01:21:06.780>this <01:21:06.900>event <01:21:07.240>is <01:21:07.700>for <01:21:08.000>you. <01:21:08.220>It's <01:21:08.500>happening <01:21:08.780>in <01:21:09.160>Poland, <01:21:10.240>in <01:21:10.320>Gdynia. <01:21:12.460>What <01:21:12.900>else <01:21:13.060>have <01:21:13.200>we <01:21:13.280>got? <01:21:13.580>WordCamp <01:21:13.980>Netherlands. <01:21:14.720>I <01:21:14.740>know <01:21:14.900>Tako's <01:21:15.480>heavily <01:21:16.940>involved. <01:21:17.560>That's <01:21:18.000>happening <01:21:18.400>on <01:21:18.920>the <01:21:19.300>12th... 222 01:21:21.340 --> 01:21:48.300 What's that? Was that Thursday? Thursday, Friday. And because I can't speak Norwegian, I'm just going to click the translate button into English. There we go. And it didn't do... Oh, do I have to... What do I have to do? Oh, there you go. WordCamp Netherlands is an informal event for everyone who works with WordPress, from hobby blogger to developer and from self-employed person to agencies. Everyone is very welcome. The main goal is to share ideas and create connection. 223 01:21:49.825 --> 01:22:35.465 That's <01:21:50.385>happening <01:21:50.665>this <01:21:51.025>week, <01:21:51.505>and <01:21:51.925>there's <01:21:52.185>one <01:21:52.485>more, <01:21:53.225>which <01:21:53.885>is <01:21:54.045>WordCamp <01:21:54.605>Pisa, <01:21:55.245>which <01:21:55.825>is <01:21:55.945>also <01:21:56.185>happening <01:21:56.545>this <01:21:56.785>week. <01:21:57.085>So <01:21:57.165>there's <01:21:57.345>a <01:21:57.485>lot <01:21:57.885>of <01:21:58.725>events <01:21:59.085>going <01:21:59.385>on, <01:21:59.885>just <01:22:00.205>in <01:22:00.405>the <01:22:00.545>sort <01:22:00.725>of <01:22:00.805>preamble <01:22:01.345>before <01:22:01.665>Christmas. <01:22:03.445>Anything <01:22:04.005>you <01:22:04.365>want <01:22:04.585>to <01:22:04.685>say <01:22:04.905>about <01:22:05.265>that? <01:22:07.845>No, <01:22:08.705>in <01:22:08.925>which <01:22:09.065>case, <01:22:09.445>I'll <01:22:09.605>go <01:22:09.725>to <01:22:09.865>our <01:22:09.985>last <01:22:10.245>one. <01:22:10.465>A <01:22:11.165>lot <01:22:11.345>of <01:22:11.525>WordCamps <01:22:12.025>are <01:22:12.205>just <01:22:12.305>nice. <01:22:13.065>Yeah, <01:22:13.705>isn't <01:22:13.885>it? <01:22:14.525>Yeah, <01:22:15.445>kind <01:22:15.545>of <01:22:15.645>curious <01:22:16.105>that <01:22:16.265>they're <01:22:16.405>at <01:22:16.605>this <01:22:20.425>time <01:22:20.645>of <01:22:20.745>year <01:22:20.925>as <01:22:21.105>well. <01:22:21.425>So <01:22:21.525>many <01:22:21.805>kind <01:22:22.005>of <01:22:22.105>falling <01:22:22.405>in <01:22:22.625>November, <01:22:23.045>which, <01:22:23.645>yeah, <01:22:23.945>maybe <01:22:24.105>it's <01:22:24.305>just <01:22:24.485>too <01:22:24.805>hot <01:22:25.025>in <01:22:25.205>some <01:22:25.385>of <01:22:25.465>these <01:22:25.605>places <01:22:25.925>at <01:22:26.125>different <01:22:26.345>times <01:22:26.645>of <01:22:26.745>the <01:22:26.825>year. <01:22:27.245>Oh, <01:22:27.785>sorry, <01:22:28.185>one <01:22:28.325>more. <01:22:30.085>WordCamp <01:22:30.445>Bengaluru. <01:22:31.585>But <01:22:31.685>Bengaluru, <01:22:32.525>I <01:22:32.645>don't <01:22:32.825>know <01:22:32.945>how <01:22:33.045>you <01:22:33.165>say <01:22:33.385>that. <01:22:34.005>Bengaluru. <01:22:34.725>Yeah, <01:22:35.165>I <01:22:35.185>think <01:22:35.285>so. 224 01:22:35.465 --> 01:23:13.485 Anyway, <01:22:36.285>that's <01:22:36.545>that's <01:22:37.145>in <01:22:37.365>a <01:22:37.525>couple <01:22:37.725>of <01:22:37.825>weeks. <01:22:38.285>That's <01:22:38.505>21st <01:22:39.445>to <01:22:39.585>the <01:22:39.665>22nd <01:22:40.345>in <01:22:41.845>India. <01:22:42.725>So <01:22:43.185>that's <01:22:43.805>another <01:22:43.985>one. <01:22:44.405>And <01:22:44.905>then <01:22:45.025>we'll <01:22:45.145>go <01:22:45.245>to <01:22:45.385>this <01:22:45.565>very <01:22:45.765>last <01:22:46.085>piece <01:22:46.485>with <01:22:46.865>just <01:22:47.205>a <01:22:47.345>few <01:22:47.485>minutes <01:22:47.765>to <01:22:47.965>go. <01:22:49.865>Drip. <01:22:50.945>I <01:22:51.445>kind <01:22:51.665>of <01:22:51.765>thought <01:22:51.985>that <01:22:52.185>Drip <01:22:52.405>was <01:22:52.585>like <01:22:52.765>this <01:22:52.925>giant <01:22:53.405>megacorp, <01:22:54.425>and <01:22:54.565>maybe <01:22:54.965>I'm <01:22:55.145>wrong <01:22:55.305>about <01:22:55.525>that. <01:22:55.865>I <01:22:56.085>thought <01:22:56.265>it <01:22:56.405>was <01:22:56.565>like, <01:22:56.885>you <01:22:57.025>know, <01:22:57.305>on <01:22:57.445>a <01:22:57.525>scale

<01:22:57.805>of <01:22:57.985>MailChimp <01:22:58.545>or <01:22:58.765>something. <01:22:59.085>I <01:22:59.145>don't <01:22:59.265>know <01:22:59.325>why <01:22:59.545>I <01:22:59.685>thought <01:22:59.785>that. <01:23:00.065>I <01:23:00.105>just <01:23:00.285>seemed <01:23:00.525>to <01:23:00.685>have <01:23:00.785>this <01:23:00.985>intuition <01:23:01.525>that <01:23:01.745>it <01:23:01.805>was <01:23:01.905>massive. <01:23:02.485>It <01:23:02.845>obviously <01:23:03.065>can't <01:23:03.465>be <01:23:03.645>because <01:23:03.945>it's <01:23:04.225>been <01:23:04.445>bought, <01:23:05.565>been <01:23:05.725>acquired <01:23:06.345>by <01:23:07.565>AwesomeMotive, <01:23:08.565>and <01:23:08.725>I <01:23:08.825>don't <01:23:08.965>suppose <01:23:09.225>Automotive, <01:23:09.945>even <01:23:10.085>though <01:23:10.225>they're <01:23:10.385>a <01:23:10.465>big <01:23:10.585>company, <01:23:10.965>have <01:23:11.125>probably <01:23:11.325>got <01:23:11.485>the <01:23:11.645>pockets <01:23:12.045>deep <01:23:12.285>enough <01:23:12.505>to <01:23:12.645>buy <01:23:12.845>MailChimp. 225 01:23:14.205 --> 01:23:46.205 But <01:23:14.685>Drip <01:23:15.165>has <01:23:15.405>been <01:23:15.645>taken <01:23:15.985>over <01:23:16.425>by <01:23:18.365>Syed <01:23:19.545>and <01:23:20.025>AwesomeMotive. <01:23:21.525>There's <01:23:22.005>not <01:23:22.125>really <01:23:22.405>a <01:23:22.525>lot <01:23:22.645>to <01:23:22.805>say <01:23:22.965>about <01:23:23.225>that. <01:23:23.545>I mean, <01:23:23.705>obviously, <01:23:23.985>they've <01:23:24.185>got <01:23:24.325>things <01:23:24.565>like <01:23:24.805>OptinMonster. <01:23:25.565>I <01:23:25.725>presume <01:23:26.245>they've <01:23:26.525>still <01:23:26.705>got <01:23:26.945>that, <01:23:27.285>but <01:23:27.365>they <01:23:27.545>took <01:23:27.865>them <01:23:28.065>over. <01:23:28.745>They've <01:23:29.225>been <01:23:29.345>longtime <01:23:29.625>users. <01:23:30.245>They've <01:23:30.585>watched <01:23:30.825>the <01:23:31.025>product <01:23:31.305>grow. <01:23:31.605>I'm <01:23:31.945>guessing <01:23:32.265>that <01:23:32.565>they've <01:23:32.865>been <01:23:33.005>using <01:23:33.305>them <01:23:33.505>for <01:23:33.725>their <01:23:33.905>own <01:23:34.105>internal <01:23:34.505>stuff <01:23:34.925>for <01:23:35.085>years <01:23:35.305>and <01:23:35.445>years <01:23:35.645>and <01:23:35.765>years, <01:23:35.985>and <01:23:36.165>now <01:23:36.525>it's <01:23:37.845>theirs. <01:23:39.085>So <01:23:39.405>if <01:23:39.685>you're <01:23:39.825>a <01:23:39.945>Drip <01:23:40.185>user <01:23:40.605>and, <01:23:41.945>you <01:23:43.005>know, <01:23:43.185>you've <01:23:43.285>got <01:23:43.365>any <01:23:43.505>intuitions <01:23:43.985>about <01:23:44.205>that, <01:23:44.605>go <01:23:44.765>and <01:23:44.885>check <01:23:45.085>it <01:23:45.245>out. <01:23:45.525>That <01:23:45.605>was <01:23:45.745>on <01:23:45.865>X. 226 01:23:47.880 --> 01:24:09.000 Syed <01:23:48.360>Balky's <01:23:48.840>feed <01:23:50.140>saying <01:23:50.660>that <01:23:50.920>13 <01:23:51.540>years <01:23:51.900>in <01:23:52.040>the <01:23:52.120>making. <01:23:52.760>I don't <01:23:52.940>suppose <01:23:53.200>it <01:23:53.320>was <01:23:53.420>13 <01:23:53.740>years <01:23:54.060>actually <01:23:54.820>doing <01:23:55.080>the <01:23:55.260>deal, <01:23:55.640>but <01:23:55.700>they've <01:23:55.960>been <01:23:56.220>using <01:23:56.520>them <01:23:56.720>for <01:23:56.900>13 <01:23:57.340>years. <01:23:58.300>Right. <01:23:59.360>Okay. <01:24:00.380>Anything <01:24:00.860>on <01:24:01.240>that <01:24:01.500>before <01:24:01.800>we <01:24:01.960>go? <01:24:02.080>I <01:24:02.120>mean, <01:24:02.260>Leslie, <01:24:02.700>you've <01:24:02.820>obviously <01:24:03.100>got <01:24:03.620>a <01:24:03.740>history <01:24:04.720>with <01:24:04.980>newsletter <01:24:05.460>glue. <01:24:06.040>That <01:24:06.420>was <01:24:06.560>one <01:24:06.740>you <01:24:06.900>supported, <01:24:07.380>I <01:24:07.540>think, <01:24:07.820>wasn't <01:24:08.000>it? <01:24:08.780>Drip? 227 01:24:09.280 --> 01:24:10.720 No, we didn't support you. 228 01:24:10.760 --> 01:24:12.880 Oh, you didn't? Okay. Yeah, we didn't. 229 01:24:12.880 --> 01:24:19.660 No. <01:24:13.840>But <01:24:14.080>yeah, <01:24:14.540>this is <01:24:15.040>so <01:24:15.120>cool. <01:24:15.780>Congrats <01:24:16.180>to <01:24:16.560>them <01:24:17.160>and <01:24:17.600>the <01:24:17.720>team. <01:24:18.480>Yeah. <01:24:18.860>I <01:24:18.960>think <01:24:19.080>they'll <01:24:19.240>run <01:24:19.340>it <01:24:19.440>well. 230 01:24:20.180 --> 01:24:31.420 Yep. <01:24:20.700>Yep. <01:24:21.160>I <01:24:21.320>mean, <01:24:21.520>like <01:24:21.940>I <01:24:22.020>said, <01:24:22.220>I <01:24:22.300>just <01:24:22.480>thought <01:24:22.620>they <01:24:22.720>were <01:24:22.800>massive. <01:24:23.400>I <01:24:23.460>don't <01:24:23.620>know <01:24:23.680>why <01:24:23.920>I <01:24:24.080>thought <01:24:24.240>they <01:24:24.360>were <01:24:24.420>massive. <01:24:25.540>Was <01:24:25.940>this <01:24:26.160>one <01:24:26.440>that <01:24:26.640>Jason, <01:24:27.240>is <01:24:27.420>this <01:24:27.540>a <01:24:27.660>Jason <01:24:28.000>Cohen <01:24:28.400>thing? <01:24:29.440>It <01:24:29.560>wasn't, <01:24:29.940>was <01:24:30.060>it? <01:24:30.460>You <01:24:30.560>know, <01:24:30.740>the <01:24:30.780>guy <01:24:31.080>who... 231 01:24:31.660 --> 01:24:32.720 No, <01:24:32.160>it's <01:24:32.240>not <01:24:32.360>what <01:24:32.460>it <01:24:32.660>is. 232 01:24:32.980 --> 01:25:06.810 It's Rob Walling. <01:24:33.880>Okay. <01:24:34.600>Okay. <01:24:35.080>I've <01:24:35.280>heard <01:24:35.400>of <01:24:35.600>underhanded <01:24:36.620>comments, <01:24:37.100>but <01:24:37.280>this <01:24:37.420>is <01:24:37.540>like <01:24:37.720>an <01:24:37.880>underhanded <01:24:38.820>insult. <01:24:41.030>Oh, <01:24:41.610>is <01:24:41.710>it? <01:24:43.790>I <01:24:44.190>thought <01:24:44.450>they <01:24:44.710>were

<01:24:44.870>bigger. <01:24:45.710>Oh, <01:24:46.190>I <01:24:46.250>see. <01:24:46.830>Yeah. <01:24:47.390>I <01:24:47.550>don't <01:24:47.670>know. <01:24:47.930>They're <01:24:48.110>just <01:24:48.230>one <01:24:48.390>of <01:24:48.450>those <01:24:48.630>companies <01:24:48.990>that, <01:24:49.430>because <01:24:50.030>the <01:24:51.230>marketing <01:24:51.630>that <01:24:51.850>I've <01:24:52.010>had <01:24:52.230>always, <01:24:52.830>I <01:24:53.450>don't <01:24:53.570>know, <01:24:53.730>they <01:24:53.830>just <01:24:54.350>did <01:24:54.510>a <01:24:54.590>great <01:24:54.730>job <01:24:54.950>of <01:24:55.130>presenting <01:24:55.710>themselves <01:24:56.170>as, <01:24:56.590>you <01:24:56.730>know, <01:24:56.910>this <01:24:57.030>big, <01:24:57.510>credible <01:24:58.230>entity. <01:24:58.690>I <01:24:59.090>just <01:24:59.310>assumed <01:24:59.910>that <01:25:00.130>they <01:25:00.310>were <01:25:00.470>on <01:25:00.630>the <01:25:00.830>scale <01:25:01.110>of <01:25:01.290>like <01:25:01.470>tens <01:25:01.810>of <01:25:02.010>millions <01:25:02.290>of <01:25:02.490>users <01:25:02.770>or <01:25:02.990>something, <01:25:03.410>but <01:25:03.510>I'm <01:25:03.730>not <01:25:04.990>sure <01:25:05.270>that <01:25:05.490>that's, <01:25:05.930>in <01:25:06.050>fact, <01:25:06.290>how <01:25:06.430>it <01:25:06.590>was. 233 01:25:07.610 --> 01:25:33.650 Right. <01:25:08.310>Let's <01:25:08.570>have <01:25:08.730>a <01:25:08.830>little <01:25:09.030>look, <01:25:09.490>see <01:25:09.630>what <01:25:09.790>we've <01:25:09.990>got <01:25:10.130>before <01:25:10.390>we <01:25:10.590>wrap <01:25:10.830>it <01:25:10.970>up. <01:25:11.270>Any <01:25:11.390>comments <01:25:11.930>here? <01:25:12.750>Did <01:25:13.190>I <01:25:13.330>say <01:25:13.530>Norwegian? <01:25:14.210>Yeah, <01:25:14.350>I <01:25:14.430>probably <01:25:14.670>did. <01:25:15.250>I <01:25:15.350>meant <01:25:15.570>to <01:25:15.770>say <01:25:16.170>Glaswegian. <01:25:20.350>No. <01:25:21.210>Dutch. <01:25:21.870>Sorry. <01:25:22.590>Taco. <01:25:23.190>I <01:25:23.230>probably <01:25:23.470>did. <01:25:24.310>The <01:25:24.710>webinar <01:25:24.950>says <01:25:25.850>at <01:25:26.290>Taco, <01:25:26.910>like <01:25:27.050>I <01:25:27.150>said, <01:25:27.470>I <01:25:27.570>get <01:25:27.770>why <01:25:28.090>they <01:25:28.310>do <01:25:28.530>it <01:25:28.710>because <01:25:28.910>it's <01:25:29.130>necessary. <01:25:29.590>Oh, <01:25:29.970>I <01:25:30.530>don't <01:25:30.690>know <01:25:30.810>what <01:25:30.970>that <01:25:31.130>comments <01:25:31.470>regarding. <01:25:32.170>So <01:25:32.310>not <01:25:32.770>sure <01:25:32.970>what <01:25:33.170>that <01:25:33.370>meant. 234 01:25:33.650 --> 01:25:37.070 Do, <01:25:34.170>do, <01:25:34.370>do, <01:25:34.630>do, <01:25:34.850>do, <01:25:34.910>do, <01:25:35.110>do. <01:25:36.770>No, 235 01:25:40.400 --> 01:26:25.980 In <01:25:40.820>which <01:25:40.980>case, <01:25:41.520>we <01:25:41.640>will <01:25:41.800>knock <01:25:42.000>it <01:25:42.120>on <01:25:42.220>the <01:25:42.320>head <01:25:42.520>with <01:25:43.020>three <01:25:43.280>minutes <01:25:43.560>to <01:25:43.760>go. <01:25:44.080>We're <01:25:44.180>not <01:25:44.260>normally <01:25:44.580>early, <01:25:44.860>but <01:25:45.060>that's <01:25:45.720>good. <01:25:47.800>We've <01:25:48.220>obviously, <01:25:48.500>we're <01:25:48.960>missing <01:25:49.240>one <01:25:49.480>of <01:25:49.580>our <01:25:49.700>people. <01:25:50.120>We <01:25:50.160>carelessly <01:25:50.800>lost <01:25:51.640>Robert <01:25:52.760>Jacoby <01:25:53.240>earlier. <01:25:54.800>We <01:25:55.220>should <01:25:55.420>have <01:25:55.500>got <01:25:55.620>the <01:25:55.760>hands <01:25:56.180>from <01:25:56.500>Robert. <01:25:57.020>I <01:25:57.080>don't <01:25:57.180>know <01:25:57.340>what <01:25:57.500>we... <01:25:58.580>Maybe <01:25:58.960>I'll <01:25:59.180>find <01:25:59.340>an <01:25:59.500>old, <01:25:59.780>or <01:25:59.980>get <01:26:00.200>an <01:26:00.360>AI <01:26:00.580>to <01:26:00.920>mock <01:26:01.400>up <01:26:01.740>Robert's <01:26:03.480>hands. <01:26:05.140>But <01:26:05.520>yeah, <01:26:06.080>yeah. <01:26:08.820>Should I <01:26:09.120>do <01:26:09.340>that? <01:26:09.600>Is <01:26:09.720>that <01:26:09.860>just <01:26:10.060>really <01:26:10.320>bad <01:26:10.620>if <01:26:10.800>I <01:26:10.920>get <01:26:11.040>a <01:26:11.160>picture <01:26:11.420>of <01:26:11.620>Robert <01:26:11.900>with <01:26:12.140>his <01:26:12.500>hand? <01:26:12.820>No, <01:26:13.160>I'll <01:26:13.320>just <01:26:14.120>do <01:26:14.920>the <01:26:15.080>three <01:26:15.280>of <01:26:15.440>us. <01:26:15.620>That'll <01:26:15.800>be <01:26:15.920>all <01:26:16.060>right. <01:26:16.660>In <01:26:17.000>which <01:26:17.180>case, <01:26:17.500>can <01:26:17.580>I <01:26:17.740>ask <01:26:17.980>for <01:26:18.140>the <01:26:18.280>hands? <01:26:18.740>I <01:26:18.800>don't <01:26:18.920>know, <01:26:19.100>Leslie, <01:26:19.500>if <01:26:19.580>you <01:26:19.660>know <01:26:19.780>about <01:26:19.980>this, <01:26:20.300>but <01:26:20.340>we <01:26:20.480>do <01:26:20.660>our <01:26:20.900>little <01:26:21.200>hand <01:26:21.580>thing. <01:26:22.400>There <01:26:22.680>we <01:26:23.020>go. <01:26:23.440>One <01:26:23.600>of <01:26:23.660>those <01:26:23.900>frames <01:26:24.220>will <01:26:24.400>be <01:26:24.520>absolutely <01:26:24.900>fine. <01:26:25.600>Perfect. 236 01:26:26.580 --> 01:26:50.780 In <01:26:27.020>which <01:26:27.220>case, <01:26:27.700>thank <01:26:27.840>you <01:26:28.220>to <01:26:28.520>those <01:26:28.740>of <01:26:28.860>you <01:26:29.000>that <01:26:29.160>took <01:26:29.340>the <01:26:29.480>time <01:26:29.700>to <01:26:29.960>show <01:26:30.260>up <01:26:30.480>and <01:26:30.920>leave <01:26:31.380>us <01:26:31.580>comments. <01:26:32.140>Really <01:26:32.320>appreciate <01:26:32.740>that. <01:26:33.100>And <01:26:33.160>obviously <01:26:33.400>it <01:26:33.580>goes <01:26:33.740>without <01:26:33.940>saying. <01:26:34.640>Thank <01:26:35.080>you <01:26:35.240>so <01:26:35.460>much <01:26:35.800>to <01:26:36.220>Leslie. <01:26:37.500>Leslie <01:26:37.940>Sim. <01:26:38.760>To <01:26:39.220>Cammie. <01:26:40.440>Cammie <01:26:40.880>McNamara. <01:26:41.660>And <01:26:41.700>kind <01:26:41.980>of <01:26:42.060>like <01:26:42.220>a <01:26:42.380>half <01:26:42.780>of <01:26:43.000>a <01:26:43.100>thanks <01:26:43.460>to <01:26:43.740>Robert. <01:26:45.440>You <01:26:45.880>get <01:26:46.160>a <01:26:46.260>bit <01:26:46.360>of <01:26:46.480>a <01:26:46.580>thanks. <01:26:48.140>Yeah, <01:26:48.780>no, <01:26:49.140>full <01:26:49.400>thanks <01:26:49.700>to <01:26:49.920>Robert <01:26:50.140>as <01:26:50.400>well. <01:26:50.600>A singular thank. 237 01:26:51.300 --> 01:26:59.600 Yeah. <01:26:51.980>Well, <01:26:52.160>sorry, <01:26:52.460>Leslie, <01:26:52.740>what <01:26:52.840>did <01:26:52.960>you <01:26:53.060>say? <01:26:53.600>I <01:26:54.040>said <01:26:54.160>he <01:26:54.280>gets <01:26:54.440>a <01:26:54.580>singular <01:26:54.980>thank. <01:26:55.600>Yeah, <01:26:56.020>he <01:26:56.040>gets <01:26:56.220>the <01:26:56.360>one <01:26:56.600>and. <01:26:57.120>That's <01:26:57.300>right. <01:26:57.600>He <01:26:57.980>doesn't <01:26:58.220>get <01:26:58.340>the <01:26:58.460>full <01:26:58.720>compliment <01:26:59.140>of <01:26:59.340>thanks. 238 01:26:59.960 --> 01:27:20.900 We'll <01:27:00.400>be <01:27:00.520>back <01:27:00.740>next <01:27:01.000>week. <01:27:01.220>I <01:27:01.520>can't <01:27:01.820>honestly <01:27:02.360>remember <01:27:02.800>which <01:27:03.300>guests <01:27:03.660>we've <01:27:03.900>got <01:27:04.120>because, <01:27:05.140>you <01:27:05.240>know, <01:27:05.420>I'm <01:27:05.660>not <01:27:05.840>that <01:27:06.040>clever. <01:27:06.360>I <01:27:06.840>can't <01:27:07.000>remember <01:27:07.360>one <01:27:07.660>week <01:27:07.880>to <01:27:08.040>the <01:27:08.140>next, <01:27:08.400>but <01:27:08.840>we'll <01:27:09.060>be <01:27:09.160>back <01:27:09.360>next <01:27:09.600>week <01:27:09.860>and <01:27:10.020>hopefully <01:27:10.420>we <01:27:10.720>will <01:27:10.880>see <01:27:11.100>you <01:27:11.220>then <01:27:11.360>for <01:27:11.540>another <01:27:11.760>edition <01:27:12.140>of <01:27:12.340>This <01:27:12.520>Week <01:27:12.720>in <01:27:12.840>WordPress. <01:27:13.180>If <01:27:13.420>the <01:27:13.540>two <01:27:13.680>of <01:27:13.800>you <01:27:13.920>want <01:27:14.080>to <01:27:14.140>hang <01:27:14.300>out <01:27:14.440>and <01:27:14.560>have <01:27:14.640>a <01:27:14.720>quick <01:27:14.880>chat <01:27:15.140>afterwards, <01:27:15.680>that <01:27:15.760>would <01:27:15.880>be <01:27:16.020>lovely. <01:27:16.940>We <01:27:17.300>will <01:27:17.560>see <01:27:17.780>you <01:27:17.980>next <01:27:18.280>week. <01:27:18.680>Take <01:27:18.800>care. <01:27:19.400>Bye <01:27:19.520>bye. <01:27:19.780>Bye <01:27:19.920>everyone. <01:27:20.640>Bye <01:27:20.760>bye.