Full Transcript for This Week in WordPress #384

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If you don't know Raquel, Raquel is the founder of Wonderland Curious, a tech event consultancy focused on creating innovative people-first experiences. Longtime leader in the WordPress ecosystem, she previously founded the WooCommerce agency Mode Effect, which she led for a decade before exiting in 2020. 14 00:04:23.654 --> 00:04:52.571 Today, she channels her community experience into PressConf, which we'll talk about in a minute, actually, a conference designed to foster candid, unrecorded conversations among the leaders. Shaping the WordPress Ecosystem. A perpetually curious soul, Raquel believes deeply in the power of meaningful connection wherever her feet land. Outside of work, she's a recent graduate of full-time parenthood. Do you call that graduation? It seemingly never ends for me. Parenthood and enjoys music. 15 00:04:53.591 --> 00:05:11.631 Yeah, I'm still an undergrad, yeah. And she likes to spend time with her big indigenous family. We're going to show the website in a minute, but should you wish to see it, it is pressconf.events. You can go and check that out as well. So thank you, Raquel. I really appreciate it. 16 00:05:12.091 --> 00:05:12.451 Thank <00:05:12.251>you. 17 00:05:12.971 --> 00:05:18.071 Okay, <00:05:13.451>next <00:05:13.631>we'll <00:05:13.791>go <00:05:13.931>to <00:05:14.311>Rhys. <00:05:15.371>Where <00:05:15.811>is <00:05:15.991>Rhys? <00:05:16.991>Did <00:05:17.431>I <00:05:17.551>get <00:05:17.691>that <00:05:17.871>right? 18 00:05:18.071 --> 00:05:21.671 Yeah, <00:05:18.571>you are <00:05:18.791>right. <00:05:19.431>According <00:05:19.951>to <00:05:20.231>my <00:05:20.451>screen, <00:05:21.111>you are <00:05:21.391>right. 19 00:05:22.691 --> 00:05:50.411 Rhys is also putting on an event. We'll find out about that in a minute. But Rhys is a freelance WordPress developer based in the northeast of England and has been working on WordPress for 20 plus years and feels Every single day of it, when he wakes up, he also is one of the co-organizers, here it comes, of the Manchester WordPress user group. No, that's not what I was expecting. And his day-to-day work focuses on custom development, performance optimization, and whatever else his clients throw at him. 20 00:05:50.551 --> 00:05:58.451 Away from WordPress, he plays cricket, makes and plays video games, and is slowly accumulating park-run venues. 21 00:05:58.451 --> 00:06:17.091 You <00:05:58.831>do <00:05:59.131>loads <00:06:00.011>of <00:06:00.231>that. <00:06:00.731>I'm <00:06:01.231>trying <00:06:01.431>to <00:06:02.491>get <00:06:02.611>to <00:06:02.911>50 <00:06:03.491>by <00:06:03.871>the <00:06:04.011>end <00:06:04.171>of <00:06:04.271>the <00:06:04.371>year. <00:06:06.031>Saturday <00:06:06.591>was <00:06:07.231>45th, <00:06:08.711>so <00:06:08.831>I <00:06:09.371>should... <00:06:11.111>I <00:06:12.011>mean, <00:06:12.751>unless <00:06:13.811>I <00:06:13.971>do <00:06:14.691>something <00:06:15.131>horrible, <00:06:15.611>I <00:06:15.911>should <00:06:16.111>be <00:06:16.271>able <00:06:16.511>to <00:06:16.671>get <00:06:16.971>there. 22 00:06:17.491 --> 00:06:30.971 Yeah, <00:06:18.031>that's <00:06:18.131>pretty <00:06:18.371>impressive. <00:06:19.051>What <00:06:19.371>I <00:06:19.791>typically <00:06:20.291>see <00:06:20.651>on <00:06:20.831>a <00:06:20.951>Sunday <00:06:21.291>morning, <00:06:21.851>right, <00:06:22.091>I <00:06:22.391>open <00:06:22.691>up <00:06:22.851>the <00:06:22.971>phone <00:06:23.311>on <00:06:23.491>my <00:06:23.651>laptop <00:06:24.051>or <00:06:24.271>something, <00:06:24.531>and <00:06:24.711>I'm <00:06:24.911>just <00:06:25.231>getting <00:06:25.491>up. <00:06:25.731>And <00:06:25.891>there's <00:06:26.131>a <00:06:26.291>picture <00:06:26.871>of <00:06:27.071>you <00:06:27.211>having <00:06:27.511>finished <00:06:27.971>at <00:06:28.171>a <00:06:28.331>really <00:06:28.751>difficult <00:06:29.271>run, <00:06:29.691>and <00:06:29.791>I <00:06:29.931>think <00:06:30.071>I <00:06:30.311>need <00:06:30.431>to <00:06:30.591>keep <00:06:30.731>going. 23 00:06:32.571 --> 00:06:50.196 I usually finish last. Like, there's not that many people who are... Who are slower than me, who don't walk it. Me and running, we're vowed enemies for life. I don't have it in me. I just don't have the stamina or anything like that. 24 00:06:50.516 --> 00:06:57.796 It's when you get an 80-year-old pushing their grandchildren around and overtaking you. 25 00:06:58.076 --> 00:07:01.876 Yeah, <00:06:58.416>okay. <00:06:59.476>Yeah, <00:07:00.656>this <00:07:00.896>would <00:07:01.336>be <00:07:01.596>me. 26 00:07:02.616 --> 00:07:11.396 I'm going to read your URLs out. Professionally, Rhys is at dwinreece.com or reese.wales, which is a little bit easier. 27 00:07:12.856 --> 00:07:23.436 Okay, <00:07:13.516>here <00:07:13.656>we <00:07:13.736>go. <00:07:13.916>Anyway, <00:07:14.196>thank <00:07:14.316>you <00:07:14.476>for <00:07:14.616>joining <00:07:14.876>us, <00:07:15.156>Rhys.

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If you want to keep up to date, just put your email address into there and we'll send you two emails a week. One for the podcast, which comes out on a Thursday and then for this episode as well. And here we go. Let's get stuck into it. So, The first piece is all about the roadmap for 7.2. This is featured on the repository. If you haven't signed up for the repository, please do so. It is, in my opinion, the best journalism that there is in the WordPress space these days, and Ray does a fantastic job of keeping us all up to date with all of, you know, like professional-grade journalism, basically, and she's talking in this particular case about WordPress 7.2, some new security features, suggestion mode for notes, and then there's a new default theme, perhaps, called Ipsom. 46 00:10:52.157 --> 00:11:20.157 Anne McCarthy, basically, has written a bunch of things about what's coming. Real-time editing, which has been something which has been punted again and again and again, and we've had like little bits nibbling away at real-time editing, it has again been punted for the third time, but this time long before the release, so in other words, it's not going in, we know it's not going in, whereas before it was going in and then it got sort of dragged

out at the last minute. 47 00:11:20.157 --> 00:11:47.964 So that's not happening. However, there's going to be what's called a suggestion mode, which will be added, so it's a little bit like, I don't know, Google Docs commenting, where you can suggest something and that can then be ticked, and that edit can sort of take place. On a security footing, there's something called the Secrets API, which is really interesting, which would give WordPress a first-class way to store credentials, which we've never had before. That's kind of cool. 48 00:11:47.964 --> 00:12:03.384 And another thing called pseudo-mode, which I think is kind of curious, which is highly privileged admin access, but would need re-authentication at the point of view. 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So, to have something where... It's within the WordPress system, and this is where I would like the notes to go. Just a way that, whilst we can't get the real-time collaboration, which I think, in a way, is almost like a blessing in disguise, because for a suggestion, I'd probably be a client. It would just be like playing tennis. 67 00:15:49.643 --> 00:16:09.203 Everything <00:15:50.043>would <00:15:50.443>come <00:15:50.623>back <00:15:50.923>and <00:15:51.103>forth, <00:15:51.823>and

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I'm also curious about the security mode as well. Yeah. Like, I want to... 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You can go check it out in the repository. Raquel, anything on that, or should we press on? 80 00:19:24.155 --> 00:19:28.575 I <00:19:24.555>would <00:19:24.735>love <00:19:25.135>collaborative <00:19:25.875>editing. <00:19:26.735>That <00:19:27.055>would <00:19:27.175>work <00:19:27.395>for <00:19:27.615>my <00:19:28.195>world. 81 00:19:28.955 --> 00:19:40.775 Oh, <00:19:29.055>would <00:19:29.215>it? <00:19:29.575>Okay. <00:19:30.055>Yes, <00:19:30.395>it <00:19:30.575>just <00:19:30.715>goes <00:19:30.895>to <00:19:31.035>show. <00:19:31.535>We're <00:19:31.595>all <00:19:31.715>different, <00:19:32.215>right? <00:19:33.115>I'm <00:19:33.515>always <00:19:33.915>in <00:19:34.135>WordPress <00:19:34.495>by <00:19:34.735>myself, <00:19:35.075>but <00:19:35.295>I <00:19:35.375>guess <00:19:35.555>if <00:19:35.755>you're <00:19:37.075>running <00:19:37.235>events <00:19:37.615>and <00:19:37.815>things <00:19:38.035>and <00:19:38.215>you're <00:19:38.435>trying <00:19:38.615>to <00:19:38.735>manage <00:19:38.975>a <00:19:39.155>team, <00:19:39.575>having <00:19:39.775>it <00:19:39.935>all <00:19:40.075>in <00:19:40.175>one <00:19:40.375>place. 82 00:19:41.695 --> 00:20:18.755 It <00:19:42.295>would. <00:19:42.895>It <00:19:43.135>would <00:19:43.395>even, <00:19:44.155>like, <00:19:44.715>I'm <00:19:44.975>a <00:19:45.035>freelancer <00:19:45.635>and <00:19:46.015>my <00:19:46.795>clients <00:19:47.175>are <00:19:47.355>quite <00:19:47.775>small. <00:19:49.435>Just, <00:19:50.055>like, <00:19:50.495>the <00:19:50.555>time <00:19:51.115>between, <00:19:51.815>like, <00:19:53.395>go <00:19:53.635>to <00:19:53.775>log <00:19:53.975>into <00:19:54.155>a <00:19:54.335>post. <00:19:55.515>Somebody <00:19:56.135>else <00:19:56.315>is <00:19:56.455>in <00:19:56.555>the <00:19:56.635>post, <00:19:57.115>emailing <00:19:57.855>them <00:19:57.995>to <00:19:58.135>go, <00:19:58.535>oh, <00:19:59.115>you're <00:19:59.235>already <00:19:59.415>in <00:19:59.575>the <00:19:59.615>post, <00:19:59.875>can

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Do you have anything like Rhys has just described where you can have like something embedded in a string so that you become like a temporary day-long commenter on the structure of a site or something? No, we've been building fairly carefully around the notes feature because we've known it's been coming to the core. So we've added things like notifications when you get notes, but not features, because it's actually quite inspiring to see how many people are interested in this feature. 90 00:23:12.205 --> 00:23:48.545 Yeah, <00:23:12.985>it's <00:23:13.065>quite <00:23:13.245>a <00:23:13.945>few <00:23:14.065>comments. <00:23:14.545>There's <00:23:14.585>a <00:23:14.685>few <00:23:14.805>more <00:23:15.045>dropped <00:23:15.425>in. <00:23:15.845>So <00:23:15.945>Amber <00:23:16.305>Hines <00:23:16.585>is <00:23:16.765>saying, <00:23:17.045>be <00:23:18.425>careful <00:23:18.805>about <00:23:19.045>putting <00:23:19.325>things <00:23:19.585>into <00:23:19.845>core <00:23:20.165>that <00:23:20.385>are <00:23:20.505>not <00:23:20.665>needed <00:23:21.005>for <00:23:21.185>the <00:23:21.285>life <00:23:21.505>cycle, <00:23:21.905>for <00:23:22.145>the <00:23:22.265>life <00:23:22.545>of <00:23:22.725>a <00:23:22.825>site. <00:23:23.045>That's <00:23:23.265>a <00:23:23.345>good <00:23:23.465>point. <00:23:23.745>You <00:23:24.105>basically <00:23:24.485>want <00:23:24.705>to <00:23:24.785>pull <00:23:25.025>that <00:23:25.245>out <00:23:25.445>the <00:23:25.605>minute <00:23:25.765>the <00:23:25.965>site's <00:23:26.265>gone <00:23:26.425>live. <00:23:27.345>Client <00:23:27.725>review <00:23:28.025>is <00:23:28.225>really <00:23:28.505>helpful <00:23:28.925>during <00:23:29.625>a <00:23:30.885>new <00:23:31.085>build <00:23:31.405>but <00:23:31.585>far <00:23:31.905>less <00:23:32.185>after <00:23:32.605>launch. <00:23:33.305>Good <00:23:33.625>point. <00:23:34.725>It <00:23:35.025>feels <00:23:35.245>like <00:23:35.465>canonical <00:23:35.845>plugin <00:23:36.365>territory <00:23:36.785>to <00:23:37.005>me. <00:23:37.285>Where <00:23:37.505>did <00:23:37.665>they <00:23:37.865>go? <00:23:39.365>Where <00:23:39.805>did <00:23:39.965>canonical <00:23:40.345>plugins <00:23:40.745>go? <00:23:41.185>They <00:23:41.285>sort <00:23:41.505>of <00:23:41.825>met <00:23:41.985>an <00:23:42.205>early <00:23:42.825>grave <00:23:43.125>at <00:23:43.305>some <00:23:43.485>point, <00:23:43.825>didn't <00:23:43.925>they? <00:23:44.125>The <00:23:44.225>groundwork <00:23:44.925>for <00:23:45.105>notes <00:23:45.285>is <00:23:45.485>a <00:23:45.605>really <00:23:45.785>positive <00:23:46.165>feature. <00:23:46.665>Building <00:23:46.885>on <00:23:47.025>that <00:23:47.145>is <00:23:47.285>always <00:23:47.485>going <00:23:47.685>to <00:23:47.845>be <00:23:47.965>a <00:23:48.085>progression. 91 00:23:50.155 --> 00:24:17.195 And then Simon says yes to release when users are logged in, late to the party. So hello, Imran. We're going to talk about you, I think, later, Imran. Yeah, not about you, probably about the content of something you've got online, but, you know, it's definitely you that wrote it, I think. So anyway, there we go. There's the few bits and pieces that came out of that. So 7.2, let me just

put that back on the page. 92 00:24:17.195 --> 00:24:31.115 Go and check it out on the repository. The piece is called WordPress 7.2 Roadmap includes new security features, suggestion mode for notes and Ipsum default theme. Keep the comments coming. It's lovely. Really nice. Right. 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Good gimmick, I guess, would be the way to describe that, but it didn't really pan out as expected. So, I don't suppose any of you have got anything to say about that. If you do, say it and I'll wait. But if not, I'll move on. It's a bummer. I got to be backstage and work in U.S. while this was supposed to happen. So yeah, I got to see the difficulty of making it happen live. 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<00:27:28.440>was <00:27:28.720>not. <00:27:29.360>No, <00:27:29.640>because <00:27:29.700>I <00:27:29.800>think <00:27:29.920>he <00:27:30.060>announced <00:27:30.320>it <00:27:30.460>2018, <00:27:31.260>right, <00:27:31.480>which <00:27:31.620>that <00:27:31.780>was <00:27:31.920>Nashville. <00:27:33.180>Yeah. <00:27:33.640>And <00:27:33.680>then. <00:27:34.140>Yeah. <00:27:34.640>It <00:27:34.940>might <00:27:35.640>have <00:27:35.720>been <00:27:35.820>St. <00:27:36.100>Louis <00:27:36.340>when <00:27:37.140>it <00:27:37.240>actually, <00:27:37.700>or <00:27:37.940>maybe <00:27:38.160>Nashville <00:27:38.560>when <00:27:38.860>it <00:27:38.940>went <00:27:39.020>live. <00:27:39.560>Yeah. <00:27:40.580>It <00:27:40.980>was <00:27:41.100>a <00:27:41.180>good <00:27:41.380>idea, <00:27:41.800>though. <00:27:42.120>I <00:27:42.240>like <00:27:42.380>the <00:27:42.520>idea <00:27:42.760>of <00:27:42.960>gimmicks. <00:27:43.600>I think <00:27:43.700>we <00:27:43.820>need, 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<00:28:05.975>into <00:28:06.295>the <00:28:06.435>accent. <00:28:06.955>Very <00:28:07.095>good. <00:28:07.735>That's <00:28:08.095>it. 102 00:28:10.715 --> 00:28:43.255 But <00:28:11.235>I <00:28:11.435>think <00:28:11.735>loads <00:28:12.335>of <00:28:12.515>silly <00:28:12.795>stuff <00:28:13.115>like <00:28:13.315>that <00:28:13.495>is <00:28:13.715>really <00:28:14.015>good. <00:28:14.395>I think <00:28:14.535>Nick <00:28:14.755>Hamsey <00:28:15.215>is <00:28:15.695>doing <00:28:15.855>a <00:28:16.015>load <00:28:16.235>of, <00:28:16.575>air <00:28:17.035>quotes, <00:28:17.555>silly <00:28:17.715>stuff <00:28:18.075>in <00:28:18.215>the <00:28:18.295>WordPress <00:28:18.615>space <00:28:18.935>and <00:28:19.055>it's <00:28:19.215>got <00:28:19.375>my <00:28:19.595>attention <00:28:19.995>every <00:28:20.315>time. <00:28:20.555>It's <00:28:20.895>brilliant. <00:28:22.575>Yeah. <00:28:23.215>Anyway, <00:28:23.955>so <00:28:24.375>here <00:28:24.575>we <00:28:24.655>go. <00:28:25.595>Gutenberg <00:28:26.015>says, <00:28:26.635>Courtney, <00:28:27.515>that <00:28:27.635>was <00:28:27.795>Gutenberg's <00:28:28.315>infamous <00:28:28.715>launch. <00:28:29.495>Yeah. <00:28:29.775>Okay. <00:28:30.855>Yeah, <00:28:31.215>yeah, <00:28:31.375>yeah. <00:28:31.635>Right. <00:28:31.875>Let's <00:28:32.295>move <00:28:32.435>on. <00:28:32.915>Let's <00:28:33.035>move <00:28:33.175>on. <00:28:33.595>So <00:28:34.015>speaking <00:28:34.455>of <00:28:34.615>events, <00:28:35.995>Raquel <00:28:36.295>is <00:28:37.255>like, <00:28:38.435>I <00:28:38.495>want <00:28:38.695>to <00:28:38.775>say <00:28:38.995>this <00:28:39.215>is <00:28:39.355>the <00:28:39.515>third <00:28:40.255>iteration <00:28:41.075>of <00:28:41.495>PressConf. <00:28:42.115>I <00:28:42.155>could <00:28:42.295>be <00:28:42.435>wrong <00:28:42.615>about <00:28:42.875>that. 103 00:28:44.515 --> 00:28:56.655 But I've just put on the screen word, sorry, PressConf.events, Barcelona, 2026. Tell us more, Raquel. I'll just leave it open like that, if that's all right. So… 104 00:28:57.105 --> 00:29:33.125 Yeah, <00:28:58.125>this <00:28:58.505>is <00:28:58.825>the <00:28:59.185>expanded <00:29:00.765>version <00:29:01.265>of <00:29:02.005>Press <00:29:02.405>Comp. <00:29:03.385>And <00:29:03.885>I <00:29:04.465>wasn't <00:29:05.025>thinking <00:29:05.485>it <00:29:05.865>would <00:29:05.965>come <00:29:06.125>to <00:29:06.265>Europe <00:29:06.525>this <00:29:06.785>year. <00:29:07.165>I was <00:29:07.245>thinking <00:29:07.425>next <00:29:07.745>year. <00:29:08.205>But <00:29:08.365>the <00:29:08.985>beginning <00:29:09.285>of <00:29:09.485>this <00:29:09.645>year, <00:29:09.885>I <00:29:10.305>just <00:29:10.525>had <00:29:10.925>this <00:29:11.125>feeling <00:29:11.485>inside <00:29:12.185>of <00:29:12.365>me. <00:29:12.545>I'm <00:29:12.565>like, <00:29:12.805>it's <00:29:12.945>got <00:29:13.085>to <00:29:13.165>go. <00:29:13.545>It's <00:29:13.805>got <00:29:13.925>to <00:29:13.985>go <00:29:14.105>now. <00:29:15.025>So, <00:29:15.545>here <00:29:15.885>we <00:29:16.005>are. <00:29:16.825>It's <00:29:17.345>just <00:29:17.525>like <00:29:17.765>Press <00:29:18.185>Comp. <00:29:18.625>It <00:29:19.025>doesn't <00:29:19.825>look <00:29:19.985>like <00:29:20.125>anyone <00:29:20.405>here <00:29:20.925>has <00:29:21.105>been. <00:29:21.405>But <00:29:21.465>in <00:29:21.585>the <00:29:21.665>comments, <00:29:22.285>Kami <00:29:22.745>has <00:29:23.325>been, <00:29:23.865>Steve, <00:29:24.405>Woody, <00:29:24.925>and <00:29:25.105>a <00:29:26.345>lot <00:29:26.525>of <00:29:26.665>the <00:29:26.785>team <00:29:27.025>is <00:29:27.165>here. <00:29:27.545>There's <00:29:27.845>Ana <00:29:28.565>and <00:29:29.385>Jauma <00:29:29.785>and <00:29:30.365>Brian <00:29:31.725>Richards <00:29:32.685>in <00:29:32.965>there. 105 00:29:33.125 --> 00:30:03.010 Yeah. <00:29:33.865>Yeah. <00:29:34.445>But <00:29:34.545>it <00:29:34.905>is <00:29:35.145>like, <00:29:35.485>it <00:29:35.705>is <00:29:35.925>truly, <00:29:36.605>yes, <00:29:37.105>it's <00:29:37.385>for <00:29:37.605>anybody <00:29:37.925>who <00:29:38.185>makes <00:29:38.425>money <00:29:38.705>on <00:29:38.965>WordPress. <00:29:39.305>And <00:29:39.785>that <00:29:40.025>is <00:29:40.165>the <00:29:40.305>target. <00:29:40.785>It <00:29:40.885>really <00:29:41.525>would <00:29:41.985>love <00:29:42.325>to <00:29:42.485>see <00:29:42.645>more <00:29:42.865>and <00:29:42.945>more <00:29:43.085>agencies <00:29:43.525>come <00:29:43.825>out. <00:29:44.185>I <00:29:44.545>get <00:29:44.765>it. <00:29:45.005>It's <00:29:45.085>hard <00:29:45.225>for <00:29:45.365>agencies <00:29:45.745>to <00:29:46.105>come <00:29:46.425>because, <00:29:46.785>you <00:29:47.145>know, <00:29:47.405>all <00:29:47.585>of <00:29:47.705>our <00:29:47.825>time <00:29:48.165>is <00:29:48.405>billable <00:29:48.825>or <00:29:49.985>not. <00:29:51.285>But <00:29:51.805>it's <00:29:52.405>really, <00:29:53.245>truly <00:29:53.325>a <00:29:53.725>gathering <00:29:54.285>of <00:29:54.845>minds. <00:29:56.430>People <00:29:57.010>who <00:29:57.290>can <00:29:57.510>be <00:29:57.650>in <00:29:57.770>the <00:29:57.850>trenches <00:29:58.110>together <00:29:58.510>because <00:29:58.970>we're <00:29:59.530>in <00:29:59.770>this <00:30:00.010>WordPress <00:30:00.430>world <00:30:00.830>trying <00:30:01.110>to <00:30:01.230>make <00:30:01.370>money, <00:30:01.750>trying <00:30:01.910>to <00:30:02.030>make <00:30:02.150>our <00:30:02.250>businesses <00:30:02.610>last. 106 00:30:03.570 --> 00:30:38.050 The talks are like TED Talks, so they go deep. They go really deep. It's not a how-to. You're not going to go learn how-to business. You're going to go get your cup filled from the inside. That's my favorite part about it. Not to reveal too much. We don't record the sessions. I think sometimes people misunderstand why we don't. We really don't because we want the speakers to just let it all out. We want them to be raw,

vulnerable, and to share numbers, to share a lot of things that maybe they wouldn't necessarily share. 107 00:30:38.790 --> 00:30:59.090 There's that little bit of you don't mind sharing with people one-on-one, but you wouldn't necessarily go tweet it out. That's the idea behind it. Honestly, I'm going to say adjectives. It's a sweet time of like-minded business owners who are just 108 00:30:59.090 --> 00:31:01.490 trying <00:30:59.250>to <00:30:59.350>make <00:30:59.510>this <00:30:59.690>happen <00:31:00.010>and <00:31:00.210>work. <00:31:00.550>So 109 00:31:02.100 --> 00:31:26.740 Yes, <00:31:03.240>Barcelona, <00:31:04.220>or <00:31:04.620>I <00:31:04.740>have <00:31:04.880>to <00:31:04.960>do <00:31:05.080>it <00:31:05.180>with <00:31:05.300>the <00:31:05.540>Catalan, <00:31:06.600>Barcelona. <00:31:10.280>I <00:31:10.720>know <00:31:10.880>I'm <00:31:11.020>like, <00:31:11.400>I'm <00:31:11.880>half <00:31:12.080>Mexican, <00:31:12.460>so <00:31:12.800>I'm <00:31:12.920>like, <00:31:13.460>oh, <00:31:13.800>getting <00:31:14.020>that <00:31:14.220>Lisbon <00:31:14.540>is <00:31:14.820>hard <00:31:15.060>for <00:31:15.200>me. <00:31:16.040>But <00:31:16.480>I'm <00:31:16.820>really <00:31:16.960>looking <00:31:17.140>forward <00:31:17.340>to <00:31:17.460>it. <00:31:17.600>Everybody <00:31:17.800>loves <00:31:18.300>Spain. <00:31:19.040>So, <00:31:19.660>and <00:31:19.720>then <00:31:19.840>coincidentally, <00:31:20.720>yes, <00:31:20.980>WordCamp <00:31:21.300>Europe <00:31:22.520>is <00:31:22.920>in <00:31:23.080>Spain. <00:31:23.760>But <00:31:23.980>that's <00:31:24.220>me. <00:31:25.020>Very, <00:31:25.260>very <00:31:25.500>Indian. <00:31:25.920>So <00:31:26.100>there's <00:31:26.260>lots <00:31:26.380>of <00:31:26.560>time. 110 00:31:26.740 --> 00:31:39.880 Yeah. <00:31:27.680>Raquel, <00:31:28.040>I've <00:31:28.280>got <00:31:28.960>a <00:31:29.460>practical <00:31:29.760>question. <00:31:30.880>How <00:31:30.960>are <00:31:31.140>you <00:31:31.440>organizing <00:31:32.500>the <00:31:32.760>event <00:31:33.060>from <00:31:33.560>the <00:31:35.060>western <00:31:35.360>side <00:31:35.740>of <00:31:35.920>the <00:31:36.040>US? <00:31:36.540>So <00:31:36.600>you've <00:31:36.760>got <00:31:36.800>a <00:31:37.200>team <00:31:38.280>member <00:31:38.540>in <00:31:38.640>Barcelona, <00:31:39.300>or <00:31:39.560>how? 111 00:31:40.280 --> 00:32:01.200 Yeah. <00:31:41.500>Jama, <00:31:42.280>he's <00:31:43.040>here <00:31:43.380>in <00:31:43.920>comments. <00:31:45.180>So <00:31:45.700>that <00:31:45.980>was <00:31:46.240>kind <00:31:46.420>of <00:31:46.580>new. <00:31:47.140>I've <00:31:47.520>just <00:31:47.640>been <00:31:47.800>doing <00:31:48.040>it. <00:31:48.460>I <00:31:48.880>was <00:31:49.060>in <00:31:49.200>the <00:31:49.300>UK <00:31:49.520>all <00:31:49.720>summer, <00:31:50.260>and <00:31:50.280>so <00:31:50.460>I <00:31:50.580>actually <00:31:50.800>did <00:31:50.960>go <00:31:51.100>do <00:31:51.220>a <00:31:51.340>site <00:31:51.520>visit <00:31:51.840>in <00:31:52.260>Barcelona. <00:31:53.380>And <00:31:54.040>yeah, <00:31:55.600>it's <00:31:55.700>just <00:31:55.880>not <00:31:56.300>been <00:31:56.560>necessarily <00:31:57.020>the <00:31:57.260>easiest, <00:31:57.560>but <00:31:57.920>now <00:31:58.140>that <00:31:58.300>Jama <00:31:58.480>is <00:31:58.700>on <00:31:58.820>the <00:31:58.940>team, <00:31:59.320>that's <00:31:59.580>really <00:31:59.840>helped <00:32:00.160>a <00:32:00.300>lot. <00:32:00.580>So <00:32:00.700>I <00:32:00.820>would <00:32:00.940>say... 112 00:32:01.490 --> 00:32:18.510 That has been the biggest game-changer, is having a local there. That's how. So, can I ask why, so firstly, why Spain and Barcelona in particular? Is that like a, is that a you thing? Did you fancy that personally or was that, I don't know, just something that the community said? 113 00:32:18.670 --> 00:32:34.070 Do <00:32:18.790>you <00:32:18.850>know <00:32:18.930>what, <00:32:19.130>if <00:32:19.230>you <00:32:19.290>had <00:32:19.410>to <00:32:19.530>go <00:32:19.690>in <00:32:19.830>Europe, <00:32:20.210>Barcelona <00:32:20.730>feels <00:32:21.470>like <00:32:21.670>a <00:32:21.790>good <00:32:21.950>story. <00:32:22.210>Yeah. <00:32:23.190>Yeah, <00:32:23.730>well, <00:32:24.070>I <00:32:24.330>think <00:32:24.530>it <00:32:24.630>was <00:32:24.730>also <00:32:24.970>the <00:32:25.130>time <00:32:25.230>of <00:32:25.370>year <00:32:25.590>because <00:32:26.010>it's <00:32:26.430>at <00:32:26.730>the <00:32:26.850>end <00:32:27.130>of <00:32:27.270>October. <00:32:27.610>So, <00:32:28.230>at <00:32:28.670>that <00:32:28.850>point, <00:32:29.270>I <00:32:29.830>actually <00:32:30.110>considered <00:32:30.470>the <00:32:30.630>UK, <00:32:30.890>but <00:32:31.690>weather <00:32:32.410>could <00:32:32.670>have <00:32:32.830>not <00:32:33.330>been <00:32:33.650>great. 114 00:32:34.510 --> 00:32:41.290 Oh. <00:32:36.850>Wisely <00:32:37.310>avoided, <00:32:37.910>I'd <00:32:38.190>say. <00:32:39.830>Attendance <00:32:40.290>numbers, <00:32:40.930>one. 115 00:32:42.870 --> 00:33:22.585 Yeah. <00:32:43.750>Yeah. <00:32:44.070>So, <00:32:44.390>that <00:32:44.990>was <00:32:45.650>part <00:32:45.870>of <00:32:45.990>it. <00:32:46.210>And, <00:32:46.470>you <00:32:46.570>know, <00:32:46.710>you <00:32:47.310>have <00:32:47.750>your <00:32:47.910>advisors <00:32:48.330>and <00:32:49.450>there <00:32:49.830>was <00:32:49.950>a <00:32:50.050>lot <00:32:50.170>of, <00:32:50.450>my <00:32:50.690>European <00:32:51.030>advisors <00:32:51.470>were <00:32:51.710>like, <00:32:51.970>you <00:32:52.470>got <00:32:52.610>to <00:32:52.710>be <00:32:52.830>in <00:32:53.010>South <00:32:53.230>Europe <00:32:53.530>at <00:32:54.010>that <00:32:54.190>time <00:32:54.350>of <00:32:54.450>year. <00:32:54.770>You <00:32:54.810>got <00:32:54.930>to <00:32:55.050>be <00:32:55.130>in <00:32:55.250>South <00:32:55.390>Europe <00:32:55.570>at <00:32:55.750>that <00:32:55.870>time

<00:32:56.010>of <00:32:56.130>year. <00:32:56.450>So, <00:32:56.570>I was <00:32:56.670>like, <00:32:57.090>okay. <00:32:58.110>And, <00:32:58.510>and <00:32:58.750>I <00:32:58.810>do <00:32:59.070>love <00:32:59.310>Spain. <00:32:59.690>So, <00:33:00.130>I <00:33:00.610>kind <00:33:00.850>of <00:33:00.990>settled <00:33:01.270>from <00:33:01.490>that <00:33:01.630>point. <00:33:01.990>I <00:33:02.050>was <00:33:02.190>either <00:33:02.350>Barcelona, <00:33:03.110>Madrid, <00:33:03.690>or <00:33:03.870>like <00:33:04.590>Lisbon, <00:33:05.030>somewhere <00:33:05.530>in <00:33:05.670>Portugal, <00:33:06.130>or <00:33:06.170>even <00:33:06.470>Porto. <00:33:07.365>And <00:33:08.065>just <00:33:08.825>out <00:33:09.125>of, <00:33:09.345>oh <00:33:09.645>my <00:33:10.085>gosh, <00:33:10.585>like <00:33:10.685>25 <00:33:11.125>hotels <00:33:11.705>I <00:33:12.325>was <00:33:12.485>reaching <00:33:12.765>out <00:33:12.965>to, <00:33:13.805>this <00:33:14.465>one <00:33:14.665>made <00:33:14.865>the <00:33:14.985>cut. <00:33:15.525>And <00:33:15.925>it <00:33:16.105>seemed <00:33:16.345>like <00:33:16.465>the <00:33:16.565>most <00:33:16.805>reasonable, <00:33:17.665>because <00:33:17.845>some <00:33:18.025>of <00:33:18.105>them <00:33:18.205>were <00:33:18.345>just, <00:33:19.045>like, <00:33:19.605>the <00:33:20.205>quotes <00:33:20.525>they <00:33:20.685>were <00:33:20.845>giving <00:33:21.245>me <00:33:21.425>at <00:33:21.585>the <00:33:21.805>beginning, <00:33:22.105>I'm <00:33:22.245>like, <00:33:22.385>what? 116 00:33:23.745 --> 00:33:24.145 Okay. 117 00:33:24.625 --> 00:33:26.425 Yeah. <00:33:25.145>Yeah. <00:33:25.725>So <00:33:25.905>that's <00:33:26.205>why. 118 00:33:27.585 --> 00:33:36.345 So <00:33:27.985>it <00:33:28.385>all <00:33:28.565>takes <00:33:28.805>place <00:33:29.045>in <00:33:29.265>the <00:33:29.445>one <00:33:29.685>building, <00:33:30.205>does <00:33:30.325>it? <00:33:30.665>So <00:33:30.885>is <00:33:31.425>everybody <00:33:31.705>encouraged <00:33:32.265>to <00:33:32.485>sort <00:33:32.605>of <00:33:32.705>stay, <00:33:33.325>I'm <00:33:33.665>going <00:33:33.705>to <00:33:33.785>use <00:33:33.945>the <00:33:34.045>words, <00:33:34.425>on <00:33:34.545>site, <00:33:35.005>if <00:33:35.205>you <00:33:35.285>know <00:33:35.365>what <00:33:35.465>I <00:33:35.525>mean? <00:33:35.665>Is <00:33:35.805>that <00:33:35.945>the <00:33:36.085>plan? 119 00:33:36.345 --> 00:33:36.545 Yeah. 120 00:33:36.545 --> 00:33:38.445 It's like a little campus for a few days? 121 00:33:39.685 --> 00:34:27.110 Yeah. <00:33:40.325>No, <00:33:40.605>it <00:33:40.705>is. <00:33:41.145>It's, <00:33:41.565>the <00:33:41.625>whole <00:33:41.905>event <00:33:42.985>is <00:33:43.385>arranged <00:33:43.805>around <00:33:44.045>everyone <00:33:44.405>being <00:33:44.725>there <00:33:44.985>together. <00:33:45.805>And <00:33:46.165>that <00:33:46.585>is <00:33:46.785>what <00:33:46.905>we <00:33:47.045>get <00:33:47.305>feedback <00:33:47.605>all <00:33:47.805>the <00:33:47.905>time <00:33:48.065>that <00:33:48.185>people <00:33:48.405>love <00:33:48.705>so <00:33:48.885>much, <00:33:49.325>is <00:33:49.445>that, <00:33:49.885>you <00:33:50.105>know, <00:33:50.365>you, <00:33:50.625>yes, <00:33:51.105>you <00:33:51.245>can, <00:33:51.825>like <00:33:52.325>a <00:33:52.425>WordCamp, <00:33:53.005>you <00:33:53.045>know, <00:33:53.145>a <00:33:53.285>lot <00:33:53.345>of <00:33:53.445>us <00:33:53.585>are <00:33:53.725>all <00:33:53.965>over <00:33:54.105>the <00:33:54.205>place, <00:33:54.485>but <00:33:54.645>we <00:33:54.745>have, <00:33:55.005>like, <00:33:55.145>our <00:33:55.225>kind <00:33:55.445>of <00:33:55.545>central <00:33:55.845>hangouts. <00:33:56.425>And <00:33:56.485>then... <00:33:57.230>We're <00:33:57.790>Kemp <00:33:58.010>US <00:33:58.230>is <00:33:58.430>more <00:33:58.570>so <00:33:58.710>this <00:33:58.890>way <00:33:59.030>where <00:33:59.170>there's <00:33:59.370>usually <00:33:59.590>an <00:33:59.770>official <00:34:00.130>hotel <00:34:00.530>and <00:34:00.830>so <00:34:01.010>even <00:34:01.450>if <00:34:01.590>you're <00:34:01.690>not <00:34:01.930>staying <00:34:02.310>at <00:34:02.490>the <00:34:02.590>official <00:34:02.870>hotel <00:34:03.090>you're <00:34:03.350>all <00:34:03.550>hanging <00:34:03.790>out <00:34:03.950>in <00:34:04.050>the <00:34:04.130>lobby <00:34:04.390>at <00:34:04.730>the <00:34:04.850>end <00:34:05.210>well <00:34:06.410>and <00:34:07.050>so <00:34:07.250>this <00:34:07.510>one <00:34:07.730>it <00:34:08.030>the <00:34:08.350>idea <00:34:08.590>is <00:34:08.770>that <00:34:08.870>like <00:34:09.070>everyone <00:34:09.570>can <00:34:09.790>be <00:34:09.950>there <00:34:10.230>in <00:34:10.670>the <00:34:10.750>hotel <00:34:11.030>together <00:34:11.410>so <00:34:11.890>when <00:34:12.170>you <00:34:12.290>get <00:34:12.490>up <00:34:12.670>you're <00:34:12.850>doing <00:34:12.990>breakfast <00:34:13.330>with <00:34:13.550>each <00:34:13.730>other <00:34:13.950>when <00:34:14.370>you <00:34:14.590>are <00:34:15.310>going <00:34:15.690>to <00:34:15.910>the <00:34:16.050>sessions <00:34:16.390>and <00:34:16.690>you're <00:34:16.810>hanging <00:34:17.010>out <00:34:17.290>you're <00:34:17.490>together <00:34:17.830>at <00:34:18.330>night <00:34:18.690>when <00:34:18.910>you're <00:34:19.050>walking <00:34:19.310>around <00:34:19.630>you're <00:34:19.990>together <00:34:20.330>and <00:34:21.510>even <00:34:21.670>if <00:34:21.830>you <00:34:21.930>don't <00:34:22.110>want <00:34:22.210>to <00:34:22.290>be <00:34:22.390>together <00:34:22.690>you <00:34:23.090>kind <00:34:23.250>of <00:34:23.330>can't <00:34:23.590>escape <00:34:23.770>each <00:34:23.970>other <00:34:24.190>yeah <00:34:24.830>run <00:34:25.210>into <00:34:25.430>each <00:34:25.650>other <00:34:25.770>yeah <00:34:26.130>yeah <00:34:26.410>that's <00:34:26.870>nice. 122 00:34:27.230 --> 00:34:50.390 And <00:34:27.690>that's <00:34:27.930>what <00:34:27.950>people

<00:34:28.170>like <00:34:28.510>actually <00:34:28.950>yeah. <00:34:30.010>Barcelona <00:34:30.490>is <00:34:30.870>super <00:34:31.210>well <00:34:31.450>connected <00:34:31.830>as <00:34:32.110>well <00:34:32.290>in <00:34:32.530>terms <00:34:32.830>of <00:34:33.030>so <00:34:33.370>like <00:34:33.710>affordable <00:34:34.130>flights <00:34:34.550>from <00:34:34.730>the <00:34:34.850>UK. <00:34:35.270>Barcelona <00:34:35.750>is <00:34:35.930>one <00:34:36.070>of <00:34:36.170>those <00:34:36.390>ones <00:34:36.590>that <00:34:36.830>ticks <00:34:37.150>the <00:34:37.350>box <00:34:37.690>for <00:34:37.990>affordable <00:34:38.850>you <00:34:39.250>know <00:34:39.350>it's <00:34:39.590>really <00:34:40.070>cheap <00:34:40.790>from <00:34:41.130>where <00:34:41.330>I <00:34:41.550>am <00:34:41.750>at <00:34:41.910>least <00:34:42.070>anyway <00:34:42.330>I <00:34:42.510>expect <00:34:42.850>in <00:34:43.090>the <00:34:43.650>rest <00:34:43.930>of <00:34:44.070>the <00:34:44.170>UK <00:34:44.410>it's <00:34:44.670>the <00:34:44.790>same <00:34:44.950>I <00:34:45.090>don't <00:34:45.210>know <00:34:45.310>about <00:34:45.470>the <00:34:45.610>rest <00:34:45.770>of <00:34:45.910>Europe <00:34:46.150>but <00:34:46.350>it's <00:34:46.730>like <00:34:47.210>really <00:34:47.610>really <00:34:48.090>affordable <00:34:48.670>compared <00:34:49.090>to <00:34:49.270>a <00:34:49.390>lot <00:34:49.470>of <00:34:49.590>other <00:34:49.790>destinations. 123 00:34:50.390 --> 00:35:10.770 Yeah <00:34:51.670>I <00:34:51.830>saw <00:34:52.210>like <00:34:52.410>a <00:34:52.530>Ryanair <00:34:53.130>25 <00:34:54.130>euro <00:34:54.730>from <00:34:55.250>UK <00:34:55.810>to <00:34:56.290>that <00:34:56.510>kind <00:34:56.750>of <00:34:56.890>level <00:34:57.190>not <00:34:57.510>yeah <00:34:57.770>I <00:34:59.690>believe <00:35:00.690>and <00:35:01.390>again <00:35:01.670>I <00:35:01.930>don't <00:35:02.310>quote <00:35:02.410>me <00:35:02.570>on <00:35:02.670>this <00:35:02.890>I <00:35:03.070>believe <00:35:03.370>it's <00:35:03.650>a <00:35:03.730>hub <00:35:04.010>for <00:35:04.310>southern <00:35:04.650>Europe <00:35:05.010>okay <00:35:05.550>so <00:35:06.250>like <00:35:06.570>my <00:35:06.930>Amsterdam <00:35:07.430>and <00:35:07.790>Heathrow <00:35:08.250>are <00:35:08.450>for <00:35:08.690>right <00:35:09.290>okay <00:35:10.150>Barcelona. 124 00:35:10.770 --> 00:35:11.110 You <00:35:11.090>know later? 125 00:35:12.830 --> 00:35:22.150 Yeah, <00:35:13.290>that <00:35:13.350>makes <00:35:13.550>sense. <00:35:14.070>Even <00:35:14.390>I <00:35:14.590>could <00:35:14.730>get <00:35:14.870>there <00:35:15.010>pretty <00:35:15.210>easily. <00:35:16.150>I <00:35:16.550>can't <00:35:16.770>do <00:35:16.890>a <00:35:17.050>straight <00:35:17.210>shot <00:35:17.390>from <00:35:17.670>Phoenix <00:35:17.990>to <00:35:18.270>Barcelona, <00:35:19.370>but <00:35:19.570>I <00:35:19.690>could <00:35:19.850>do <00:35:20.070>Phoenix <00:35:20.650>to, <00:35:20.910>whatever,

<00:35:21.810>Atlanta. 126 00:35:22.310 --> 00:35:23.810 And <00:35:22.450>then, <00:35:22.950>yeah, <00:35:23.170>the <00:35:23.310>next <00:35:23.550>step. 127 00:35:23.990 --> 00:35:31.310 Yeah, <00:35:24.250>yeah. <00:35:25.790>So, <00:35:26.190>a <00:35:26.530>few <00:35:26.730>comments <00:35:27.270>about <00:35:27.510>that. <00:35:27.810>But <00:35:27.870>first <00:35:28.110>of <00:35:28.210>all, <00:35:28.330>we <00:35:28.410>should <00:35:28.510>probably <00:35:28.690>just <00:35:28.850>sort <00:35:28.990>of <00:35:29.030>save <00:35:29.250>the <00:35:29.370>date. <00:35:29.730>So, <00:35:29.850>it's <00:35:29.910>actually <00:35:30.090>happening <00:35:30.350>later <00:35:30.670>this <00:35:30.970>month. 128 00:35:31.590 --> 00:35:31.990 Yep. 129 00:35:31.990 --> 00:35:57.230 If you're free between the 27th or the 30th to the 30th of October, that's when it's going to be. The URL is pressconf, so P-R-E-S-S-C-O-N-F dot events, plural dot events. Go and check it out. Tickets available still, I'm guessing. There's a purple button on the website there. You still got some seats? 130 00:35:57.350 --> 00:35:57.550 Yeah. 131 00:35:58.040 --> 00:36:05.160 Tickets <00:35:58.620>are <00:35:58.780>available. <00:35:59.440>If you're <00:35:59.580>going <00:35:59.740>in <00:35:59.880>a <00:35:59.980>team, <00:36:00.560>take <00:36:01.000>advantage <00:36:01.340>of <00:36:01.540>the <00:36:01.660>squad <00:36:01.940>goals <00:36:02.340>pricing <00:36:02.960>because <00:36:03.260>it <00:36:03.540>is <00:36:03.680>a <00:36:03.820>significant <00:36:04.500>discount. 132 00:36:05.780 --> 00:36:07.740 DM <00:36:06.380>me <00:36:06.760>if <00:36:06.880>you <00:36:06.980>have <00:36:07.140>any <00:36:07.300>questions. 133 00:36:08.340 --> 00:36:12.120 Yeah, <00:36:09.600>three <00:36:09.740>or <00:36:09.900>more. <00:36:10.400>It <00:36:10.460>is <00:36:10.760>a <00:36:11.100>significant <00:36:11.620>discount. 134 00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:38.140 So <00:36:12.440>yeah, <00:36:13.220>there's <00:36:13.920>lots <00:36:14.220>of <00:36:14.380>ways. <00:36:15.060>And <00:36:15.660>it <00:36:15.820>is <00:36:16.080>my <00:36:16.740>business. <00:36:17.140>I <00:36:17.440>know <00:36:17.640>I've <00:36:18.220>been <00:36:18.520>DM'd <00:36:19.060>and <00:36:19.240>people <00:36:19.540>compare <00:36:19.920>it <00:36:20.020>to <00:36:20.140>WordCamp. <00:36:20.660>It <00:36:20.740>really <00:36:21.000>is <00:36:21.320>not <00:36:21.560>comparable <00:36:22.100>to <00:36:22.340>WordCamp <00:36:22.740>because <00:36:23.000>WordCamps <00:36:23.580>are <00:36:23.720>ran <00:36:23.980>by <00:36:24.380>WPCS. <00:36:26.460>And <00:36:26.800>so <00:36:27.000>this <00:36:27.280>is <00:36:27.660>Wonderland <00:36:28.440>Curious <00:36:28.840>that <00:36:29.020>runs <00:36:29.240>this <00:36:29.440>event. <00:36:29.940>So <00:36:30.100>nobody's <00:36:31.740>getting <00:36:31.920>rich, <00:36:32.300>but <00:36:32.540>we <00:36:32.700>definitely <00:36:33.020>have <00:36:33.520>expenses. <00:36:34.060>So <00:36:34.520>that's <00:36:34.880>the <00:36:35.020>reason <00:36:35.200>why <00:36:35.360>things <00:36:35.560>are <00:36:35.680>priced <00:36:35.960>at <00:36:36.120>what <00:36:36.240>they <00:36:36.400>are. <00:36:36.800>But <00:36:37.220>it <00:36:37.380>really <00:36:37.720>does. 135 00:36:38.260 --> 00:36:42.920 I <00:36:38.360>mean, <00:36:38.580>if <00:36:38.640>you <00:36:38.700>talk <00:36:38.900>to <00:36:39.040>people, <00:36:39.540>it's <00:36:39.780>a <00:36:40.220>very <00:36:40.580>different, <00:36:41.280>very <00:36:41.840>worthwhile <00:36:42.460>event. 136 00:36:44.765 --> 00:37:02.505 I've <00:36:45.165>lost <00:36:45.345>count <00:36:45.625>of <00:36:45.705>the <00:36:45.865>comments <00:36:46.165>now. <00:36:46.565>There's <00:36:46.645>quite <00:36:46.805>a <00:36:46.905>lot <00:36:47.045>going <00:36:47.285>on <00:36:47.425>about <00:36:47.645>here. <00:36:48.825>Wow, <00:36:49.285>there <00:36:49.345>really <00:36:49.565>is. <00:36:49.845>I <00:36:49.885>haven't <00:36:50.065>looked <00:36:50.285>for <00:36:50.505>the <00:36:50.805>last <00:36:51.185>couple <00:36:51.405>of <00:36:51.545>minutes, <00:36:51.725>so <00:36:52.005>let's <00:36:52.325>see <00:36:52.465>if <00:36:52.585>we <00:36:52.685>can <00:36:52.865>pick <00:36:53.325>a <00:36:53.485>few <00:36:53.625>off. <00:36:54.565>It's <00:36:54.965>an <00:36:55.065>amazing <00:36:55.405>conference. <00:36:57.005>Everyone <00:36:57.205>should <00:36:57.505>go, <00:36:57.985>says <00:36:58.365>Cammie. <00:36:59.225>That's <00:36:59.385>nice. <00:36:59.725>Let <00:37:00.085>me <00:37:00.185>just <00:37:00.345>take <00:37:00.545>that <00:37:00.705>screen <00:37:01.025>away <00:37:01.245>so <00:37:01.405>we <00:37:01.545>can <00:37:01.665>see <00:37:01.785>the <00:37:01.925>comments <00:37:02.205>fully. 137 00:37:04.285 --> 00:37:18.805 Steve <00:37:04.685>says, <00:37:05.445>it <00:37:06.025>was <00:37:06.145>the <00:37:06.225>first <00:37:06.445>time <00:37:06.605>I <00:37:06.725>saw <00:37:06.925>the <00:37:07.065>WordPress <00:37:07.345>community <00:37:07.885>rather <00:37:08.225>than <00:37:08.385>software. <00:37:08.945>That's <00:37:09.125>nice <00:37:09.405>too, <00:37:09.865>isn't <00:37:09.985>it? <00:37:10.885>Steve <00:37:11.485>says, <00:37:11.505>just wondering <00:37:12.185>if <00:37:12.685>a <00:37:12.785>video <00:37:13.045>marketer <00:37:13.765>will <00:37:14.625>it <00:37:15.365>be <00:37:15.485>useful <00:37:15.885>for <00:37:16.125>me? <00:37:16.545>So <00:37:16.645>that's <00:37:16.845>a <00:37:16.905>question <00:37:17.225>for <00:37:17.565>you, <00:37:17.925>I <00:37:17.945>guess, <00:37:18.545>Raquel. 138 00:37:19.225 --> 00:38:00.165 Raquel Johnson- Yeah, so Christian, now Makoa, was Christian Taylor. Him and Mark Zemanski came. It really, for what they told me, it was like... Getting a fast track into going deep with the community, because that is the hard part with video marketing, especially from

the YouTube side, because there's that little bit of a bridge of getting to be in the trenches with the community, so this is a really good opportunity to jump into the deep end, because these end up being the leaders of WordPress, like the who's who of the community, end up coming up, showing up, so then you're rubbing shoulders with people who you really want to get to know. 139 00:38:01.505 --> 00:38:16.165 Imran, <00:38:01.885>sold. <00:38:02.425>Look, <00:38:02.725>I <00:38:02.785>mean, <00:38:03.025>he's <00:38:03.485>that <00:38:03.725>close, <00:38:04.345>Raquel. <00:38:05.385>He's <00:38:05.765>almost <00:38:06.225>booked <00:38:06.465>the <00:38:06.605>flights <00:38:06.845>about <00:38:07.105>five <00:38:07.385>times <00:38:07.665>this <00:38:07.865>week, <00:38:08.125>but <00:38:08.205>each <00:38:08.365>time <00:38:08.565>I <00:38:08.725>pause, <00:38:09.205>grab <00:38:09.345>a <00:38:09.465>Pepsi <00:38:09.725>Max <00:38:10.005>and <00:38:10.145>then <00:38:10.245>close <00:38:10.505>it <00:38:10.605>down. <00:38:11.705>It <00:38:12.085>would <00:38:12.225>be <00:38:12.345>nice, <00:38:12.725>Imran, <00:38:13.365>if <00:38:13.565>we <00:38:13.665>got <00:38:13.825>to <00:38:13.945>the <00:38:14.025>end <00:38:14.145>of <00:38:14.245>this <00:38:14.405>episode <00:38:14.905>and, <00:38:15.345>you <00:38:15.425>know, <00:38:15.605>just <00:38:15.865>saying. 140 00:38:18.885 --> 00:38:30.525 Yeah, <00:38:19.705>reach <00:38:20.045>out, <00:38:20.385>Imran. <00:38:20.865>We'll <00:38:21.005>see <00:38:21.585>what <00:38:21.725>we <00:38:21.825>can <00:38:21.925>do <00:38:22.025>to <00:38:22.125>push <00:38:22.405>you <00:38:22.505>over <00:38:22.745>in <00:38:23.245>a <00:38:23.405>good <00:38:23.505>way. <00:38:23.725>Yeah, <00:38:24.225>that's <00:38:24.505>nice. <00:38:26.165>Simon <00:38:26.525>wants <00:38:26.805>to <00:38:26.925>go. <00:38:27.245>He <00:38:27.265>says, <00:38:27.545>will <00:38:27.625>somebody <00:38:27.965>pay <00:38:28.285>for <00:38:28.465>him <00:38:28.565>to <00:38:28.725>go? <00:38:29.025>That'd <00:38:29.165>be <00:38:29.265>nice. <00:38:29.805>And <00:38:29.905>then... 141 00:38:33.390 --> 00:38:34.550 Who <00:38:33.830>is <00:38:34.190>this <00:38:34.370>again? 142 00:38:35.150 --> 00:38:36.870 Oh, <00:38:35.430>Brian. <00:38:35.970>Brian <00:38:36.230>answered. 143 00:38:37.070 --> 00:38:44.110 Sorry, <00:38:37.530>Brian. <00:38:38.990>Sorry, <00:38:40.250>I <00:38:40.290>don't <00:38:40.470>know <00:38:40.590>your <00:38:40.730>handle, <00:38:41.050>so <00:38:41.310>apologies. <00:38:42.130>So <00:38:42.170>you've <00:38:42.510>answered <00:38:42.910>that <00:38:43.070>question. <00:38:43.590>That's <00:38:43.770>great. 144 00:38:44.510 --> 00:38:59.490 LoopConf. <00:38:45.330>Brian <00:38:45.710>is <00:38:45.930>LoopConf. <00:38:46.570>That's <00:38:46.830>right. <00:38:47.210>Yeah. <00:38:47.570>Oh, <00:38:47.850>yeah. <00:38:48.090>I <00:38:48.290>actually <00:38:48.510>went <00:38:48.690>to <00:38:48.850>LoopConf <00:38:49.210>last <00:38:49.470>year, <00:38:49.710>so <00:38:49.790>I <00:38:50.130>don't <00:38:50.510>know <00:38:50.750>Brian. <00:38:51.390>I've <00:38:51.610>seen <00:38:51.910>Brian, <00:38:52.450>but <00:38:52.550>I've <00:38:52.810>met <00:38:53.170>him <00:38:53.310>for <00:38:53.470>like <00:38:53.610>three <00:38:54.170>minutes, <00:38:54.490>I <00:38:54.610>think, <00:38:54.810>one <00:38:54.950>time. <00:38:56.010>What <00:38:56.450>else <00:38:56.630>have <00:38:56.770>we <00:38:56.870>got? <00:38:57.070>Barcelona <00:38:57.510>is <00:38:57.750>the <00:38:57.850>best <00:38:58.030>city <00:38:58.250>for <00:38:58.410>skateboarding. <00:38:59.270>Okay. 145 00:38:59.490 --> 00:39:03.150 Yeah, <00:39:00.310>well, <00:39:00.430>of <00:39:00.530>course, <00:39:00.950>no <00:39:01.050>mad <00:39:01.250>skateboarding. <00:39:02.030>Every <00:39:02.150>week <00:39:02.390>he <00:39:02.670>shows <00:39:02.950>up. 146 00:39:03.350 --> 00:39:08.950 But there's <00:39:04.190>dog poop <00:39:04.650>everywhere. <00:39:05.670>That's <00:39:05.830>my <00:39:05.950>only <00:39:06.130>complaint <00:39:06.570>is <00:39:06.790>that <00:39:06.910>they <00:39:07.050>don't <00:39:07.210>clean <00:39:07.370>up <00:39:07.550>after <00:39:07.770>their <00:39:07.950>doggies. <00:39:08.570>Oh, <00:39:08.790>really? 147 00:39:09.670 --> 00:39:11.810 They <00:39:10.070>do <00:39:10.470>not. <00:39:11.410>Everywhere. 148 00:39:12.170 --> 00:39:14.530 You <00:39:12.230>don't <00:39:12.410>want dog <00:39:12.630>poop <00:39:12.790>on <00:39:12.990>your <00:39:13.130>skates, <00:39:13.590>that's <00:39:14.130>for <00:39:14.290>sure. 149 00:39:16.290 --> 00:39:21.890 As <00:39:16.690>a <00:39:16.810>video <00:39:17.030>marketer, <00:39:17.770>Steve <00:39:17.970>says, <00:39:18.690>maybe <00:39:19.090>not <00:39:19.350>for <00:39:19.550>content, <00:39:19.910>but <00:39:20.130>for <00:39:20.290>connections, <00:39:20.770>100%. <00:39:21.270>There <00:39:21.610>we <00:39:21.730>go. 150 00:39:22.235 --> 00:39:34.875 Well, <00:39:23.195>really, <00:39:24.095>for <00:39:24.195>content, <00:39:24.635>too, <00:39:24.995>you <00:39:25.095>could <00:39:25.215>do <00:39:25.335>a <00:39:25.495>whole <00:39:25.735>lot. <00:39:26.175>In <00:39:26.295>fact, <00:39:26.555>we <00:39:26.655>allow <00:39:26.955>recording <00:39:27.455>just <00:39:27.695>not <00:39:27.995>once <00:39:28.295>a <00:39:28.495>speaker <00:39:28.895>hits <00:39:29.235>the <00:39:29.515>podium. <00:39:30.475>Okay, <00:39:30.795>so <00:39:30.995>you <00:39:31.075>can <00:39:31.175>use <00:39:32.015>the <00:39:32.435>event <00:39:32.835>venue <00:39:33.235>for <00:39:33.555>recording. <00:39:34.335>Yes, <00:39:34.475>all <00:39:34.595>of <00:39:34.715>it. 151 00:39:37.135 --> 00:39:47.795 Marcus <00:39:37.535>Burnett, <00:39:37.995>he <00:39:38.075>says <00:39:38.255>he's <00:39:38.395>coming <00:39:38.595>in <00:39:38.735>late, <00:39:38.955>but <00:39:39.175>nice <00:39:39.555>the

<00:39:39.735>show <00:39:39.915>is <00:39:40.055>back. <00:39:40.275>Thank <00:39:40.415>you. <00:39:40.895>We're <00:39:41.015>glad <00:39:41.215>that <00:39:41.395>it's <00:39:41.555>back <00:39:41.715>as <00:39:41.895>well. <00:39:43.055>And <00:39:43.455>then <00:39:43.575>there's <00:39:43.735>a <00:39:43.815>few <00:39:43.975>comments. <00:39:45.575>Flight <00:39:45.975>from <00:39:46.135>the <00:39:46.255>UK. <00:39:46.735>25 <00:39:47.135>quid! 152 00:39:49.215 --> 00:40:02.135 That's <00:39:49.735>insane. <00:39:50.795>It <00:39:51.255>costs <00:39:51.575>me <00:39:51.755>more <00:39:52.015>to <00:39:52.235>go <00:39:52.395>to <00:39:52.595>York <00:39:52.935>on <00:39:53.175>the <00:39:53.295>train, <00:39:53.655>and <00:39:53.775>that's <00:39:53.995>like <00:39:54.175>40 <00:39:54.595>minutes <00:39:54.935>away. <00:39:55.315>That's <00:39:55.535>absolutely <00:39:56.215>insane. <00:39:57.175>Yeah, <00:39:57.295>that's <00:39:57.495>so <00:39:57.655>weird <00:39:57.835>to <00:39:57.995>me. <00:39:58.715>Trains <00:39:59.235>are <00:39:59.415>sometimes <00:39:59.815>more <00:40:00.175>expensive <00:40:00.535>than <00:40:00.795>flights. <00:40:01.275>It's <00:40:01.735>so <00:40:01.875>weird. 153 00:40:03.835 --> 00:40:27.095 I've <00:40:04.355>not <00:40:04.475>lived <00:40:04.695>in <00:40:04.815>England <00:40:05.015>for <00:40:05.235>like <00:40:05.355>20 <00:40:05.575>years, <00:40:06.075>but <00:40:06.195>it <00:40:06.395>seems <00:40:06.635>like <00:40:06.875>it's <00:40:07.755>now <00:40:08.055>like <00:40:08.655>500 <00:40:09.395>pounds <00:40:09.855>to <00:40:10.215>go <00:40:10.415>from <00:40:10.695>London <00:40:11.235>to <00:40:11.435>Birmingham <00:40:11.855>on <00:40:12.595>a <00:40:12.675>train. <00:40:12.975>Oh, <00:40:13.295>but <00:40:13.635>yeah, <00:40:14.295>it's <00:40:14.475>10 <00:40:14.675>bucks. <00:40:15.675>10 <00:40:16.115>quid <00:40:16.495>to <00:40:16.735>fly <00:40:17.015>to <00:40:17.155>Barcelona. <00:40:17.795>Yeah, <00:40:18.475>there are <00:40:18.695>there <00:40:18.855>are <00:40:19.135>stories <00:40:19.555>at <00:40:19.755>least <00:40:19.895>one <00:40:20.095>a <00:40:20.235>year <00:40:20.495>and <00:40:20.715>it'll <00:40:20.915>be <00:40:21.095>like <00:40:21.355>somebody <00:40:21.715>wants <00:40:22.055>to <00:40:22.215>meet <00:40:22.395>his <00:40:22.575>friend <00:40:22.775>in <00:40:22.975>Newcastle <00:40:23.515>and <00:40:23.655>rather <00:40:23.915>than <00:40:24.075>go <00:40:24.255>to <00:40:24.435>Newcastle <00:40:24.915>from <00:40:25.095>London, <00:40:25.915>they'll <00:40:26.395>fly <00:40:26.815>to. 154 00:40:32.030 --> 00:40:35.010 And <00:40:32.390>it's <00:40:32.750>probably <00:40:32.970>quicker <00:40:33.450>as <00:40:33.670>well <00:40:33.910>if <00:40:34.210>you <00:40:34.270>go <00:40:34.390>in <00:40:34.490>for <00:40:34.590>the <00:40:34.730>day. 155 00:40:37.130 --> 00:41:06.930 So <00:40:37.490>there's <00:40:37.730>lots <00:40:37.870>of <00:40:37.970>conversation <00:40:38.370>about <00:40:38.730>like <00:40:39.010>the <00:40:39.110>price <00:40:39.330>of <00:40:39.450>flights <00:40:39.670>and <00:40:39.850>things <00:40:40.010>like <00:40:40.170>that. <00:40:40.430>So <00:40:40.610>thank <00:40:40.970>you <00:40:41.150>for <00:40:41.310>that. <00:40:41.690>And <00:40:41.750>then <00:40:41.910>you <00:40:42.370>are <00:40:42.550>alive, <00:40:42.970>Nathan. <00:40:43.330>I <00:40:43.430>am. <00:40:43.750>I <00:40:43.870>have <00:40:44.010>been <00:40:44.130>alive <00:40:44.390>all <00:40:44.570>this <00:40:44.730>time. <00:40:45.070>I've <00:40:45.130>just <00:40:45.270>not <00:40:45.390>been <00:40:45.550>making <00:40:45.890>video <00:40:46.470>content, <00:40:46.910>which <00:40:48.330>has <00:40:48.490>been <00:40:48.690>quite <00:40:49.190>nice <00:40:49.870>for <00:40:50.070>the <00:40:50.310>SaaS <00:40:51.010>app, <00:40:51.290>which <00:40:51.390>I <00:40:51.510>should <00:40:51.710>mention <00:40:52.030>at <00:40:52.270>some <00:40:52.430>point, <00:40:52.750>actually. <00:40:54.190>Gaudi <00:40:54.710>architecture, <00:40:55.530>of <00:40:55.590>course, <00:40:56.190>very <00:40:56.730>famous. <00:40:57.430>They've <00:40:57.910>just <00:40:58.110>finished <00:40:58.490>it. <00:40:58.850>The <00:40:59.030>Sagrada <00:40:59.350>Familia <00:40:59.830>has <00:41:00.030>just <00:41:00.330>finished. <00:41:01.790>Sagrada <00:41:02.310>Familia. <00:41:03.390>But <00:41:03.910>according <00:41:04.230>to <00:41:04.410>JAMA, <00:41:04.870>there's <00:41:05.070>still <00:41:05.230>a <00:41:05.410>little <00:41:05.530>bit <00:41:05.730>that <00:41:05.890>they're <00:41:06.190>working <00:41:06.430>on <00:41:06.670>still. 156 00:41:06.930 --> 00:41:10.490 Oh, <00:41:07.250>really? <00:41:07.650>Oh, <00:41:08.030>it's going <00:41:08.510>to <00:41:08.650>be <00:41:08.730>like <00:41:08.930>that. <00:41:09.210>But <00:41:09.310>at <00:41:09.370>least <00:41:09.530>the <00:41:09.670>cranes <00:41:10.010>are <00:41:10.170>gone. 157 00:41:10.850 --> 00:41:15.030 Yeah. <00:41:12.170>Lots <00:41:12.690>of <00:41:12.850>comments <00:41:13.170>about <00:41:13.470>flights <00:41:14.170>and... 158 00:41:16.670 --> 00:41:26.730 Nine <00:41:17.190>of <00:41:17.390>cats <00:41:17.690>in <00:41:17.910>Catalonia. <00:41:18.630>That's <00:41:18.970>my <00:41:19.130>only <00:41:19.330>gripe. <00:41:19.830>Okay. <00:41:20.790>Bye. <00:41:21.730>Me <00:41:21.870>too! <00:41:22.450>I <00:41:22.670>agree. <00:41:23.490>I'm <00:41:23.930>a <00:41:24.530>cat <00:41:24.850>girl, <00:41:25.610>so <00:41:25.830>I <00:41:25.990>agree <00:41:26.250>with <00:41:26.450>that. 159 00:41:28.310 --> 00:41:35.130 And <00:41:28.750>then <00:41:28.930>if <00:41:29.070>flights <00:41:29.330>in <00:41:30.190>Barcelona <00:41:30.650>Airport <00:41:30.990>are <00:41:31.150>too <00:41:31.230>expensive, <00:41:31.750>maybe <00:41:31.910>go <00:41:32.130>Girona. <00:41:32.790>Oh, <00:41:33.190>so

<00:41:33.310>alternatives. <00:41:34.110>That's <00:41:34.550>interesting. 160 00:41:35.650 --> 00:41:55.250 You go via Girona, one hour drive from Barcelona, so you rent a car or something like that, especially from the UK. Wow. Right, let's put the website back up. There it is. Pressconf.events happening in a couple of weeks. That's an exaggeration. It's more like three weeks, but it's very soon anyway, so go check it out. 161 00:41:55.370 --> 00:41:58.430 Thank <00:41:55.550>you <00:41:55.650>for <00:41:56.390>sharing. <00:41:57.830>Yeah. 162 00:41:58.930 --> 00:42:01.670 I <00:41:59.410>was <00:41:59.570>right. <00:41:59.810>It's <00:42:00.250>not <00:42:00.410>soon. <00:42:01.090>It's <00:42:01.470>soon. 163 00:42:02.050 --> 00:42:04.210 It's <00:42:02.310>really <00:42:02.610>soon. <00:42:03.430>Yeah, <00:42:03.570>it's <00:42:03.650>really <00:42:04.030>right. 164 00:42:04.330 --> 00:42:17.910 The <00:42:04.430>Organizing <00:42:05.050>Committee, <00:42:05.990>it's <00:42:06.850>soon. <00:42:07.990>Yeah. <00:42:09.190>Speaking <00:42:09.690>of <00:42:10.030>Organizing <00:42:10.610>Committee, <00:42:11.390>one <00:42:12.010>of <00:42:12.130>our <00:42:12.270>other <00:42:12.430>guests, <00:42:13.090>Mr. <00:42:13.850>Reece <00:42:14.190>Wynn, <00:42:14.670>is <00:42:14.770>also <00:42:15.070>organizing <00:42:15.450>something <00:42:15.910>in <00:42:16.090>the <00:42:16.170>WordPress <00:42:16.470>space. <00:42:17.170>It <00:42:17.230>is <00:42:17.470>this. 165 00:42:17.910 --> 00:42:18.590 Yeah. 166 00:42:20.140 --> 00:42:47.340 Camp <00:42:20.720>Manchester <00:42:21.660>2026, <00:42:23.000>so <00:42:23.100>a <00:42:23.280>little <00:42:23.420>bit <00:42:23.660>later, <00:42:24.280>just <00:42:24.380>like <00:42:24.620>it's <00:42:24.900>still <00:42:25.060>not <00:42:25.280>that <00:42:25.480>far <00:42:25.780>away, <00:42:26.260>it's <00:42:26.360>really <00:42:27.660>soon. <00:42:28.940>This <00:42:29.040>is <00:42:29.220>on <00:42:29.360>a <00:42:29.460>very <00:42:30.020>different, <00:42:30.740>like <00:42:30.840>there's <00:42:31.060>a <00:42:31.180>chalk <00:42:31.940>and <00:42:32.100>cheese <00:42:32.420>kind <00:42:32.640>of <00:42:32.740>events <00:42:33.040>in <00:42:33.160>these <00:42:33.300>though, <00:42:33.580>aren't <00:42:33.660>they? <00:42:34.000>So, <00:42:34.480>for <00:42:34.860>a <00:42:34.960>start, <00:42:35.300>it's <00:42:35.360>in <00:42:35.500>Manchester <00:42:35.940>in <00:42:36.240>November, <00:42:37.060>so <00:42:37.160>you <00:42:37.320>know, <00:42:37.580>take <00:42:37.720>that. <00:42:38.320>There <00:42:38.500>won't <00:42:38.660>be <00:42:38.860>any <00:42:39.140>sitting <00:42:39.520>by <00:42:39.800>the <00:42:39.960>beach <00:42:40.440>or <00:42:40.640>any <00:42:41.280>of <00:42:41.420>the <00:42:41.600>other <00:42:41.700>stuff, <00:42:42.720>but <00:42:43.060>tell <00:42:43.320>us <00:42:43.460>what's <00:42:43.740>going <00:42:43.960>on. <00:42:44.400>This <00:42:44.500>is <00:42:44.640>great. <00:42:44.960>I'm <00:42:45.280>so <00:42:45.480>pleased <00:42:45.760>you've <00:42:45.960>done <00:42:46.080>this. <00:42:46.400>Thank <00:42:46.480>you. <00:42:46.880>Tell <00:42:46.940>us. 167 00:42:49.000 --> 00:43:15.280 I <00:42:49.580>have <00:42:49.800>been <00:42:50.120>to <00:42:50.460>WordCamps <00:42:51.200>in <00:42:51.840>Europe. <00:42:52.980>I've <00:42:53.140>been <00:42:53.240>to <00:42:53.380>PressConf, <00:42:53.880>not <00:42:54.140>PressConf, <00:42:54.600>I <00:42:54.660>went <00:42:54.780>to <00:42:54.920>LeapConf <00:42:55.340>last <00:42:55.540>year, <00:42:55.800>and <00:42:56.100>the <00:42:56.240>amount <00:42:56.460>of <00:42:56.620>people <00:42:56.980>who <00:42:57.300>said, <00:42:57.920>we <00:42:58.940>need <00:42:59.220>a <00:42:59.660>WordCamp <00:43:00.240>back <00:43:00.920>in <00:43:01.100>the <00:43:01.220>UK, <00:43:01.540>it <00:43:03.700>has <00:43:03.880>always <00:43:04.240>been <00:43:04.520>a <00:43:04.680>bit <00:43:04.820>of <00:43:04.960>a <00:43:05.040>stumbling <00:43:05.420>block, <00:43:05.860>based <00:43:08.300>on <00:43:08.720>effort <00:43:09.440>and <00:43:10.040>based <00:43:10.540>on, <00:43:11.140>you <00:43:12.920>know, <00:43:13.120>cost <00:43:13.580>and <00:43:14.220>getting <00:43:14.420>it <00:43:14.600>off <00:43:14.760>the <00:43:14.880>ground. 168 00:43:16.680 --> 00:43:42.690 Defined, we have found a way... Amy to run one in Manchester. It's a co-working space. We discovered it purely by accident. Somebody was walking around the co-working space because they were using it for their wedding, which is the week after, which is why we're not clashing with press comp as well. 169 00:43:44.370 --> 00:44:08.330 But <00:43:45.010>yeah, <00:43:45.490>they <00:43:45.590>were <00:43:46.450>coming <00:43:46.630>around <00:43:46.870>and <00:43:47.130>they <00:43:47.630>said, <00:43:50.910>oh, <00:43:51.350>we <00:43:52.050>can <00:43:52.210>rent <00:43:52.450>this <00:43:52.670>venue. <00:43:53.550>Cool. <00:43:55.330>Sent <00:43:55.690>a <00:43:55.870>few <00:43:55.970>emails <00:43:56.410>out <00:43:56.750>and <00:43:57.450>we <00:43:58.550>have <00:43:59.010>put <00:44:00.370>together <00:44:00.670>a <00:44:00.830>WordCamp. <00:44:01.850>It's <00:44:02.490>very <00:44:02.910>different. <00:44:03.770>If <00:44:04.410>you've <00:44:04.710>been <00:44:04.850>to <00:44:04.970>a <00:44:05.070>WordCamp <00:44:05.510>before, <00:44:06.250>this <00:44:06.610>is <00:44:06.810>not <00:44:07.110>going <00:44:07.430>to <00:44:07.590>be <00:44:07.750>like <00:44:08.090>it. 170 00:44:08.330 --> 00:44:11.050 Why <00:44:09.990>is <00:44:10.190>that? <00:44:10.410>What's <00:44:10.590>the <00:44:10.730>difference? 171 00:44:11.370 --> 00:44:24.705 We <00:44:11.830>are <00:44:12.430>a <00:44:12.770>BarCamp. <00:44:14.010>There <00:44:14.890>is <00:44:15.310>one <00:44:16.050>keynote. <00:44:17.410>No. <00:44:17.985>Event. <00:44:19.085>It's <00:44:19.605>not <00:44:20.265>a

<00:44:20.405>speaker. <00:44:20.805>It's <00:44:21.325>an <00:44:21.445>event. <00:44:23.425>And <00:44:23.945>that's <00:44:24.445>it. 172 00:44:25.525 --> 00:44:27.185 Right. <00:44:25.725>So <00:44:26.105>it's <00:44:26.265>more <00:44:26.485>of <00:44:26.605>a <00:44:26.705>gathering. 173 00:44:27.425 --> 00:44:28.805 It's <00:44:27.745>more <00:44:28.065>of <00:44:28.245>a <00:44:28.365>gathering. 174 00:44:28.945 --> 00:44:29.165 Okay. 175 00:44:29.365 --> 00:45:00.185 And <00:44:29.765>it <00:44:30.365>will <00:44:30.625>be <00:44:30.945>in <00:44:31.345>a <00:44:31.765>bar <00:44:32.125>camp <00:44:32.525>format. <00:44:33.345>So <00:44:33.865>the <00:44:34.545>idea <00:44:34.905>is, <00:44:35.325>is <00:44:35.545>that <00:44:35.685>on <00:44:35.905>the <00:44:36.045>day, <00:44:36.505>I <00:44:37.505>and <00:44:38.705>the <00:44:38.845>organizing <00:44:39.325>team <00:44:39.645>are <00:44:39.945>just <00:44:40.225>facilitating <00:44:41.205>what, <00:44:44.285>you <00:44:44.365>know, <00:44:44.685>we <00:44:44.905>just <00:44:45.065>say, <00:44:45.485>what <00:44:45.545>do <00:44:45.645>you <00:44:45.685>want <00:44:45.765>to <00:44:45.845>talk <00:44:46.045>about? <00:44:46.305>Like <00:44:46.825>the <00:44:47.005>last <00:44:47.685>session <00:44:47.985>before <00:44:48.225>lunch <00:44:48.645>is... <00:44:49.525>What <00:44:50.465>do <00:44:50.585>you <00:44:50.665>want <00:44:50.825>to <00:44:50.925>talk <00:44:51.145>about? <00:44:51.385>What <00:44:51.505>do <00:44:51.625>you <00:44:51.705>want <00:44:51.865>to <00:44:51.965>talk <00:44:52.205>about? <00:44:52.665>Okay. <00:44:52.905>And <00:44:52.925>the <00:44:53.345>idea <00:44:53.705>is, <00:44:54.025>is <00:44:54.125>the <00:44:54.225>afternoon <00:44:54.605>session <00:44:55.065>is <00:44:55.345>going <00:44:55.545>to <00:44:55.725>be <00:44:55.985>just <00:44:56.745>people <00:44:57.545>going <00:44:57.805>off <00:44:58.005>into <00:44:58.185>groups <00:44:58.585>and <00:44:59.265>talking <00:44:59.605>about <00:44:59.945>it. 176 00:45:01.525 --> 00:45:08.725 We <00:45:02.045>have <00:45:02.405>done <00:45:02.765>it <00:45:02.965>in <00:45:03.125>a <00:45:03.245>way <00:45:03.565>that <00:45:03.925>we <00:45:05.165>don't <00:45:05.505>even <00:45:05.745>have, <00:45:06.345>we <00:45:07.525>have <00:45:07.725>to <00:45:07.845>have <00:45:07.965>the <00:45:08.065>global <00:45:08.325>sponsors. 177 00:45:10.205 --> 00:46:05.965 We're all, we don't have sponsors. Like we have micro sponsors, which is a little bit more expensive ticket. Okay. So, these wonderful people that Nathan's got on the screen and companies have paid more for tickets, and yeah, it's very much just come along in a, the only thing we're going to promise, and there is a lot of this because I'm like the lead organiser of the three people who are organising it, Steve, who is sometimes, who was in the company, as long as before, Steve Mosby also talked about it, was, is one of the co-organisers. All we're facilitating is come for a conversation, come to meet people, come and discuss, and let's see what comes out of it. 178 00:46:06.105 --> 00:46:13.265 So, <00:46:06.805>firstly, <00:46:08.005>thank <00:46:08.085>you <00:46:08.245>for <00:46:08.365>putting <00:46:08.525>it <00:46:08.585>on. <00:46:08.825>And <00:46:08.865>actually, <00:46:09.205>there's <00:46:09.345>a <00:46:09.425>few <00:46:09.565>people <00:46:09.865>who <00:46:10.025>are <00:46:10.205>congratulating <00:46:11.205>you <00:46:11.385>on <00:46:11.505>that <00:46:11.725>score. <00:46:12.185>So, <00:46:12.505>Simon. 179 00:46:14.635 --> 00:46:46.495 Yes, <00:46:15.295>Rhys, <00:46:15.515>thank <00:46:15.635>you <00:46:15.755>and <00:46:15.875>the <00:46:15.935>team <00:46:16.115>for <00:46:16.255>doing <00:46:16.435>this. <00:46:16.975>Nathan <00:46:17.195>and <00:46:17.355>I <00:46:17.455>were <00:46:17.575>talking <00:46:17.835>about <00:46:18.115>all <00:46:18.315>the <00:46:18.415>WordCamps <00:46:18.895>etc <00:46:19.195>the <00:46:19.455>other <00:46:19.575>month. <00:46:19.835>Yes, <00:46:20.095>we <00:46:20.115>were. <00:46:21.415>And <00:46:21.855>also <00:46:22.255>Dave <00:46:23.035>Den, <00:46:23.535>who <00:46:23.755>attends <00:46:24.415>WPLDN <00:46:25.575>in <00:46:25.715>London, <00:46:26.415>WordCamp <00:46:27.195>back <00:46:27.395>in <00:46:27.555>the <00:46:27.675>UK. <00:46:28.235>He's <00:46:28.255>obviously <00:46:28.495>heavily <00:46:28.955>involved <00:46:29.315>in <00:46:29.535>Accessibility <00:46:30.575>Day <00:46:30.875>as <00:46:31.075>well. <00:46:31.235>Yeah. <00:46:32.215>And <00:46:32.615>Courtney, <00:46:34.295>back <00:46:34.415>to <00:46:34.595>the <00:46:34.715>roots <00:46:35.195>where <00:46:35.775>WordCamps <00:46:36.915>began. <00:46:37.635>Yeah, <00:46:37.955>so <00:46:38.115>it's <00:46:39.355>a <00:46:39.435>show <00:46:39.695>up, <00:46:40.255>see <00:46:40.875>what <00:46:41.055>happens, <00:46:41.495>social <00:46:42.295>event <00:46:42.835>as <00:46:43.115>much <00:46:43.295>as <00:46:43.435>anything <00:46:43.655>else <00:46:44.015>and <00:46:44.195>just <00:46:44.435>let's <00:46:44.875>just <00:46:45.015>hang <00:46:45.215>out <00:46:45.415>and <00:46:45.615>chat <00:46:45.955>sort <00:46:46.235>of <00:46:46.315>thing. 180 00:46:46.775 --> 00:47:12.955 I <00:46:47.035>think <00:46:47.175>I'll <00:46:47.635>be <00:46:47.755>joining <00:46:48.095>you <00:46:48.515>for <00:46:49.495>the <00:46:49.615>BarCamp. <00:46:51.355>Mecha <00:46:51.875>Mozilla. <00:46:53.715>Okay, <00:46:54.035>thank <00:46:54.135>you. <00:46:54.475>Yeah, <00:46:54.695>that <00:46:54.815>was <00:46:55.015>easy <00:46:55.315>for <00:46:55.475>you <00:46:55.635>to <00:46:55.775>say, <00:46:56.215>but <00:46:56.875>not <00:46:57.075>me <00:46:57.275>apparently. <00:46:58.235>Thank <00:46:58.575>you. <00:46:59.395>It's <00:46:59.915>Jake <00:47:00.135>from <00:47:00.375>Play <00:47:00.655>Expo. <00:47:01.115>Yeah, <00:47:02.175>I was <00:47:02.535>at

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Because he's so perfectly 8-bit. Yeah, he's so perfectly 8-bit. 184 00:48:27.895 --> 00:48:54.095 It was decided, because I quite like video games, as you can probably tell, like one of the other co-organizers say, if Reese is the WordCamp organizer, we've got to do it in that style. The only person who doesn't seem to be carrying on with that style is myself, purely because I just stick in band references in the posts. 185 00:48:54.535 --> 00:49:26.605 So yeah, the 24-hour WordCamp people is a reference to 24-hour party people and things like that. But everybody else, we've got a post coming out also kind of explaining about the computer history in Manchester. It was where Alan Turing... Came on board, but also there was a lot of video game developers in the Micro 8-Bits based in Manchester. Ocean Software was quite a big one. 186 00:49:27.945 --> 00:50:01.185 Rhys, <00:49:28.345>what <00:49:28.465>is <00:49:28.645>the <00:49:28.925>Alright <00:49:29.485>Our <00:49:29.765>Kid? <00:49:30.965>Is <00:49:31.565>that <00:49:31.665>a <00:49:31.865>Britishism? <00:49:33.165>Yeah, <00:49:33.765>so <00:49:33.925>Alright <00:49:34.685>Our <00:49:34.965>Kid <00:49:35.245>is <00:49:35.825>a <00:49:36.705>way <00:49:36.885>to <00:49:37.045>say <00:49:37.365>hello, <00:49:39.025>basically. <00:49:39.765>You <00:49:39.865>alright <00:49:40.045>Our <00:49:40.285>Kid? <00:49:40.425>Yeah, <00:49:41.585>because I <00:49:41.805>do <00:49:41.985>know <00:49:42.205>that <00:49:42.305>you're <00:49:42.745>right, <00:49:43.265>because <00:49:43.345>everybody's <00:49:44.585>like, <00:49:45.065>you're <00:49:45.305>right. <00:49:45.605>And <00:49:45.685>I'm <00:49:45.805>like, <00:49:46.265>yeah, <00:49:46.505>I'm <00:49:46.645>okay. <00:49:47.245>And <00:49:47.345>then <00:49:47.465>I <00:49:47.605>realized

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There's some depth to your relationship. You're alright, Our Kid? Kind of thing. I guess a bit more to it. It is so funny as an American to hear somebody be like, you're right. And you're like, yeah, you think something's wrong. Oh, that's interesting, because that's such a, that's basically hello. You know, it has no more. I know that now. The first time hearing that, I'm like, what do you mean? Am I all right? Of course I'm not right. And can I just say, Courtney spotted it. Mike Little, co-founder of WordPress, is a micro-sponsor. 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I mean, yeah. I mean, it's, the burden is, as somebody who has done like the more traditional stand, you know, organizing of WordPress, I couldn't organize a, you know, a standard one, really time-wise. But yeah, this is, this is a very, very low. 196 00:53:29.680 --> 00:53:39.680 Light touch, low organising. Like for example, I'll just talk about, we're not doing a lunch, like we're just saying... B.Y.O. 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That we're doing a Lunch with Future Friends event, where somebody is going to be a... 199 00:54:18.380 --> 00:54:45.320 Show <00:54:18.880>up. <00:54:19.600>And, <00:54:20.360>you <00:54:21.080>know, <00:54:21.240>you <00:54:21.320>can <00:54:21.460>come <00:54:21.680>and <00:54:21.860>have <00:54:22.720>a <00:54:22.860>natter. <00:54:23.340>It'll <00:54:23.500>probably <00:54:23.780>be <00:54:24.040>in <00:54:24.120>the <00:54:24.200>cafe <00:54:24.460>next <00:54:24.720>door, <00:54:24.980>to

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And she's only given us one example of that so far. So we're hoping that that's good. Well, I always tell, I always say at the beginning, I'm like, I promise not taking the piss out of you. I'll start speaking like this. Because Brits think that I'm doing that, like that when Americans speak with the British, that we're making fun. And I'm like, no, I love it. Do you do varied English accents or British accents? All over. You do that one or you do others as well. Because we've got so many accents, considering how big the country is. 202 00:55:17.340 --> 00:55:50.470 So many. And some of them are just incomprehensible to me. Like, I spent some time in Newcastle this weekend and I really genuinely did have to say, I'm sorry, you're gonna have to say that again, I'm really sorry to quite a few people. You drive 30 miles and the name for a bread roll has changed four times. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, you can tell where you are by asking what the bread is called. Cockney is the impersonation. Everyone can do a Cockney and then you go up and maybe the welts might be the hardest and there's levels to this. 203 00:55:50.690 --> 00:56:19.570 There <00:55:50.850>is <00:55:51.070>lots <00:55:51.350>of <00:55:51.510>levels <00:55:51.790>to <00:55:51.990>it. <00:55:52.830>So, <00:55:53.370>Simon, <00:55:53.950>on <00:55:54.330>the <00:55:54.450>back <00:55:54.650>of <00:55:54.850>this <00:55:55.110>conversation, <00:55:55.910>maybe <00:55:56.070>he's <00:55:56.350>already <00:55:56.790>thinking <00:55:57.050>about <00:55:57.290>it, <00:55:57.450>but <00:55:57.530>he's <00:55:57.650>thinking <00:55:57.870>of <00:55:58.010>doing <00:55:58.130>the <00:55:58.270>same <00:55:58.450>thing <00:55:58.590>in <00:55:58.730>Bristol. <00:55:59.110>Have <00:55:59.210>a <00:55:59.330>recollection <00:55:59.810>that <00:56:00.010>that <00:56:00.150>was <00:56:00.330>something <00:56:00.630>he <00:56:00.810>was <00:56:00.970>going <00:56:01.110>to <00:56:01.230>do. If, <00:56:01.850>Simon, <00:56:02.330>and <00:56:02.410>I <00:56:02.510>know, <00:56:02.710>I <00:56:03.030>know <00:56:03.310>you, <00:56:04.930>if <00:56:05.210>you <00:56:05.390>just <00:56:05.590>want <00:56:05.710>to <00:56:05.810>reach <00:56:06.050>out <00:56:06.250>and <00:56:06.430>just <00:56:06.630>ask <00:56:06.910>questions, <00:56:07.790>I'm <00:56:08.130>happy <00:56:08.530>to <00:56:08.910>talk <00:56:09.890>off <00:56:10.530>the <00:56:10.730>record <00:56:11.190>on... <00:56:11.870>Things <00:56:12.330>we've <00:56:12.790>found <00:56:13.270>out. <00:56:13.950>Okay. <00:56:14.450>It's <00:56:14.770>great. <00:56:15.090>I <00:56:15.150>love <00:56:15.370>this <00:56:15.650>show <00:56:15.890>for <00:56:16.110>this. <00:56:16.490>This <00:56:16.730>is <00:56:16.890>the <00:56:17.030>best <00:56:17.290>bit <00:56:17.490>about <00:56:17.710>this <00:56:17.930>show <00:56:18.130>is <00:56:18.290>all <00:56:18.470>these <00:56:18.690>interconnecting <00:56:19.410>bits. 204 00:56:19.750 --> 00:56:46.030 So <00:56:20.150>many <00:56:20.410>interesting <00:56:20.890>serendipitous <00:56:21.870>things <00:56:22.150>happened <00:56:22.610>because <00:56:23.150>of <00:56:23.470>meeting <00:56:23.990>as <00:56:24.530>guests. <00:56:25.090>So <00:56:25.150>the <00:56:25.310>three <00:56:25.510>of <00:56:25.710>you <00:56:25.750>were <00:56:25.910>on <00:56:26.010>this <00:56:26.150>show <00:56:26.390>and <00:56:26.610>so <00:56:27.150>many <00:56:27.350>interesting <00:56:27.710>things <00:56:28.050>have <00:56:28.190>happened <00:56:28.430>that <00:56:28.570>I <00:56:28.650>found <00:56:28.910>out <00:56:29.110>about <00:56:29.370>when <00:56:29.750>after <00:56:30.250>people <00:56:30.650>had <00:56:30.810>met <00:56:30.970>on <00:56:31.150>this <00:56:31.310>show. <00:56:31.610>And <00:56:31.650>I <00:56:31.770>think <00:56:31.930>that's <00:56:32.130>absolutely <00:56:32.430>lovely. <00:56:34.630>Like <00:56:35.070>the <00:56:35.370>like <00:56:36.090>the <00:56:36.390>South <00:56:36.650>in <00:56:36.810>America. <00:56:37.030>Okay. <00:56:37.690>Philly <00:56:37.890>says. <00:56:38.330>Yeah. <00:56:38.990>So <00:56:39.150>Seth. <00:56:40.090>Cajun. <00:56:40.930>He <00:56:41.250>can't <00:56:41.490>understand <00:56:41.890>Louisiana <00:56:42.450>people <00:56:43.050>in <00:56:43.830>the <00:56:44.290>South <00:56:44.510>when <00:56:44.890>he's <00:56:45.150>in <00:56:45.250>the <00:56:45.330>South <00:56:45.550>of <00:56:45.690>America. 205 00:56:46.350 --> 00:57:11.520 And <00:56:46.830>then <00:56:46.930>he's <00:56:47.070>given <00:56:47.250>us <00:56:47.450>some <00:56:47.610>examples. <00:56:48.050>Listen, <00:56:48.270>we <00:56:48.350>really

<00:56:48.590>should <00:56:48.770>get <00:56:48.950>back <00:56:49.150>to <00:56:49.310>some <00:56:49.530>word <00:56:49.730>resolution. <00:56:50.830>We've <00:56:51.070>totally <00:56:51.550>gone <00:56:52.130>off <00:56:52.390>the <00:56:52.550>rails, <00:56:53.210>which <00:56:53.910>is <00:56:54.050>great. <00:56:54.410>I <00:56:54.470>love <00:56:54.730>it. <00:56:55.730>But <00:56:56.210>here <00:56:56.390>we <00:56:56.490>go. <00:56:56.910>So <00:56:57.390>let's <00:56:57.650>go <00:56:57.790>back. <00:56:58.170>And <00:56:58.250>in <00:56:58.370>this <00:56:58.510>case, <00:56:58.790>let's <00:56:59.090>talk <00:56:59.250>about <00:56:59.490>Steve's <00:57:00.250>podcast. <00:57:01.530>Steve <00:57:01.930>has <00:57:02.330>published <00:57:02.750>press, <00:57:03.190>which <00:57:03.250>is <00:57:03.390>a <00:57:03.470>suite <00:57:03.670>of. <00:57:04.160>Plugins <00:57:04.740>which <00:57:04.940>enable <00:57:05.180>you <00:57:05.360>to <00:57:05.500>do <00:57:05.720>a <00:57:05.920>whole <00:57:06.080>load <00:57:06.320>of <00:57:06.480>extra <00:57:07.000>stuff <00:57:07.360>around <00:57:07.740>workflows <00:57:09.020>in <00:57:09.520>publishing <00:57:09.940>things <00:57:10.300>on <00:57:10.520>your <00:57:10.820>WordPress <00:57:11.180>site. 206 00:57:11.900 --> 00:57:51.340 But this week on the podcast you had Jason Cohen. I don't know if you've been following this, Jason Cohen has been producing a podcast for not that long and it's really great. We listened to, so Dan and I who've been working on this show.fm app, Dan and I listened to one that he did a few weeks ago in the podcasting space and then he did one with Carl, Carl from EMEA, I don't know if anybody saw that one, and then to flip it round, instead of him doing the podcast, Steve you had him on your podcast. What did you talk about? What was going on there? 207 00:57:51.340 --> 00:58:17.775 We did a book. But he's got a, he's been writing for years. He's kind of writes, like... Like... If you've come across Paul Graham, who is a British guy, lives in Silicon Valley, he tends to blog in full-length essays which are carefully thought out, and Jason's been doing that for years, and he's turned a lot of it into a book. 208 00:58:18.335 --> 00:58:32.775 So <00:58:18.895>I <00:58:19.375>had <00:58:19.495>him <00:58:19.595>on <00:58:19.655>the <00:58:19.735>podcast <00:58:20.135>to <00:58:20.355>talk <00:58:20.535>about <00:58:20.735>the <00:58:20.875>book, <00:58:21.195>but <00:58:21.855>yeah, <00:58:22.255>he's <00:58:22.555>spun <00:58:23.035>out <00:58:23.195>his <00:58:23.355>own <00:58:23.515>podcast <00:58:24.055>too, <00:58:24.515>which <00:58:24.635>has <00:58:24.895>an <00:58:25.535>interesting <00:58:26.075>twist <00:58:28.255>in <00:58:28.575>that <00:58:28.675>it's <00:58:28.895>much <00:58:29.115>more <00:58:29.675>confrontational, <00:58:32.055>I <00:58:32.395>would <00:58:32.515>say. 209 00:58:34.295 --> 00:58:46.135 Like <00:58:34.855>the <00:58:35.015>episode <00:58:35.295>with <00:58:35.575>Carl. <00:58:36.255>He's <00:58:36.635>like, <00:58:37.295>Carl, <00:58:37.855>you're <00:58:38.995>failing. <00:58:41.195>You're <00:58:41.755>doing <00:58:41.955>badly. <00:58:42.275>This <00:58:42.555>is <00:58:42.695>not <00:58:42.835>working. <00:58:43.675>Let's <00:58:44.235>kind <00:58:44.415>of <00:58:44.595>give <00:58:44.895>you <00:58:45.015>a <00:58:45.155>very <00:58:45.395>polite... 210 00:58:48.595 --> 00:59:16.295 ...wake up slap and let's see if you can do better. Did you see Carl's email after that episode? So, Carl has an app called, like, it's this really technical thing. I'm not even going to try and describe it, but he's got this incredibly technical product called EMIR, Y-M-I-R. And I think his attention has been fairly shattered, trying to get it out amongst all the other myriad different things that he does, and it's kind of flatlined. 211 00:59:16.295 --> 00:59:30.695 He <00:59:16.855>went <00:59:17.095>on <00:59:17.595>that <00:59:17.955>podcast, <00:59:18.575>just <00:59:19.955>being <00:59:20.575>on <00:59:20.915>that <00:59:21.155>podcast. <00:59:21.835>Jason's <00:59:22.215>obviously <00:59:22.475>got <00:59:22.655>a <00:59:22.835>big, <00:59:23.135>you <00:59:23.775>know, <00:59:24.055>following. <00:59:24.635>You <00:59:25.035>see <00:59:25.215>the <00:59:25.375>line <00:59:25.655>of <00:59:25.775>his <00:59:25.915>podcast <00:59:26.355>and, <00:59:26.755>you <00:59:26.875>know, <00:59:27.075>and <00:59:27.415>then <00:59:27.535>it <00:59:27.635>just <00:59:27.795>goes, <00:59:28.195>boom! <00:59:29.175>It <00:59:29.315>just <00:59:29.495>goes <00:59:29.735>right <00:59:30.475>off. 212 00:59:32.155 --> 00:59:58.735 And <00:59:32.595>it <00:59:32.715>was <00:59:32.855>merely, <00:59:33.355>as <00:59:33.675>far <00:59:33.815>as <00:59:33.935>I <00:59:33.995>can <00:59:34.115>work <00:59:34.335>out, <00:59:34.555>it <00:59:34.615>was <00:59:34.715>merely <00:59:35.035>the <00:59:35.255>appearance <00:59:35.615>on <00:59:35.835>the <00:59:35.935>podcast. <00:59:36.355>There <00:59:36.435>was <00:59:36.515>a <00:59:36.615>bunch <00:59:36.795>of <00:59:36.955>people <00:59:37.215>who <00:59:37.435>he <00:59:37.595>could <00:59:37.755>never <00:59:38.295>reach <00:59:38.755>who <00:59:38.915>totally <00:59:39.595>got <00:59:39.915>what <00:59:40.155>he <00:59:40.275>was <00:59:40.435>building. <00:59:41.715>So, <00:59:42.195>whatever <00:59:42.675>Jason <00:59:43.115>said, <00:59:43.515>and <00:59:43.695>however <00:59:44.095>Carl <00:59:44.495>responded, <00:59:45.355>it <00:59:45.775>really <00:59:46.095>resonated <00:59:46.595>with <00:59:46.935>a <00:59:47.075>bunch <00:59:47.275>of <00:59:47.415>people. <00:59:47.735>So, <00:59:47.855>I'm <00:59:47.995>really <00:59:48.235>happy <00:59:48.575>for <00:59:48.795>Carl <00:59:49.115>out <00:59:49.255>of <00:59:49.335>that. <00:59:49.515>Anyway, <00:59:49.815>I'm <00:59:49.935>so <00:59:50.175>sorry <00:59:50.455>I

<00:59:50.675>interrupted. <00:59:51.135>You <00:59:51.395>were <00:59:51.535>saying. <00:59:52.375>Oh, <00:59:52.935>no, <00:59:53.115>no. <00:59:53.855>So, <00:59:54.855>Jason <00:59:55.615>has <00:59:55.875>a <00:59:55.995>book <00:59:56.235>out, <00:59:56.735>and <00:59:56.855>there's <00:59:57.175>the <00:59:57.275>podcast, <00:59:57.775>too, <00:59:58.075>and <00:59:58.095>the <00:59:58.175>podcast. 213 00:59:58.735 --> 01:00:10.785 Yeah. <00:59:59.885>Normally, <01:00:00.745>a <01:00:00.825>lot <01:00:00.925>of <01:00:01.025>these <01:00:01.185>podcasts <01:00:01.765>are <01:00:02.005>just <01:00:02.245>people <01:00:03.145>BSing <01:00:04.645>back <01:00:05.305>and <01:00:05.565>forth, <01:00:05.905>like <01:00:06.165>happy <01:00:06.465>questions. <01:00:07.185>Oh, <01:00:07.365>you're <01:00:07.465>doing <01:00:07.645>so <01:00:07.905>well. <01:00:08.425>You're <01:00:08.505>doing <01:00:08.645>so <01:00:08.825>great. <01:00:09.265>Congrats <01:00:09.545>on <01:00:09.745>this. <01:00:10.025>Congrats <01:00:10.285>on <01:00:10.505>that. 214 01:00:13.105 --> 01:00:53.065 And <01:00:13.625>Jason's <01:00:14.145>podcast <01:00:14.485>is <01:00:14.705>the <01:00:14.805>opposite. <01:00:15.365>It's <01:00:15.625>like, <01:00:16.245>okay, <01:00:16.445>you're <01:00:17.405>failing. <01:00:18.025>This <01:00:18.465>isn't <01:00:18.705>working. <01:00:19.245>Your <01:00:19.625>business <01:00:19.905>growth <01:00:20.165>is <01:00:20.385>stuck. <01:00:20.805>Your <01:00:20.905>business <01:00:21.185>is <01:00:21.685>declining. <01:00:23.345>XYZ <01:00:23.865>problem <01:00:24.265>is <01:00:24.485>happening. <01:00:25.605>And <01:00:26.045>he <01:00:26.485>asks <01:00:26.905>tough <01:00:27.345>questions. <01:00:28.285>And <01:00:28.405>often <01:00:29.265>the <01:00:29.485>answer <01:00:29.785>from <01:00:30.025>the <01:00:30.145>person <01:00:30.425>on <01:00:30.605>the <01:00:30.705>other <01:00:30.825>end <01:00:30.925>of <01:00:30.985>the <01:00:31.065>podcast <01:00:31.425>is, <01:00:31.985>uh, <01:00:34.065>I <01:00:34.185>don't <01:00:34.325>know. <01:00:34.825>Yeah, <01:00:35.225>I <01:00:35.845>love <01:00:36.065>it. <01:00:36.645>It's <01:00:37.085>kind <01:00:37.245>of <01:00:37.365>interesting <01:00:37.825>seeing <01:00:38.425>actually <01:00:39.005>the <01:00:39.205>reaction <01:00:39.545>to <01:00:39.765>that <01:00:39.945>because <01:00:40.185>I've <01:00:40.585>watched <01:00:40.765>a <01:00:40.925>couple <01:00:41.125>of <01:00:41.245>the <01:00:41.325>episodes <01:00:41.725>and <01:00:41.865>it <01:00:41.965>was <01:00:42.105>clear <01:00:42.385>that <01:00:42.585>some <01:00:42.825>some <01:00:43.465>people <01:00:43.825>their <01:00:44.025>personality <01:00:44.625>type <01:00:44.945>gets <01:00:45.225>in <01:00:45.365>the <01:00:45.485>way <01:00:45.645>of <01:00:45.805>that <01:00:46.025>in <01:00:46.225>that <01:00:46.385>they <01:00:46.725>they <01:00:47.005>see <01:00:47.285>that <01:00:47.485>as <01:00:47.685>a <01:00:47.825>bit <01:00:48.105>of <01:00:48.205>an <01:00:48.325>assault, <01:00:48.985>whereas <01:00:49.705>other <01:00:49.925>people <01:00:50.225>a <01:00:50.365>bit <01:00:50.485>like, <01:00:50.845>yeah, <01:00:51.105>yeah, <01:00:51.405>I <01:00:51.465>don't <01:00:51.945>know <01:00:52.205>the <01:00:52.385>answer <01:00:52.665>to <01:00:52.825>that. 215 01:00:53.065 --> 01:01:24.555 That's <01:00:53.445>not <01:00:53.605>good, <01:00:53.905>is <01:00:54.005>it? 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She got a domain for it, which is really great. And she's auctioning them off. So if you want to get a little bit of history in the WordPress space, you can go and bid and take these off Anne's hands. And she's not trying to create the money for herself. She's doing it for an organization I had never heard of before. 224 01:04:13.580 --> 01:04:20.400 It's called Stimpunk. I think I'm probably saying that correctly. S-C-I-M-P-U-N-K-S. 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<01:05:39.210>Didn't <01:05:39.290>know <01:05:39.410>what <01:05:39.530>to <01:05:39.670>do <01:05:39.790>with <01:05:39.930>herself <01:05:40.170>with <01:05:40.330>this <01:05:40.470>one. <01:05:41.510>Well <01:05:41.870>done, <01:05:42.150>Anne. 233 01:05:42.330 --> 01:05:45.390 But <01:05:42.610>she <01:05:42.670>seems <01:05:42.870>to <01:05:42.930>have <01:05:43.070>gotten <01:05:43.210>bored <01:05:43.610>by <01:05:43.870>the... <01:05:44.390>Yeah, <01:05:44.550>that's <01:05:44.730>right. <01:05:45.230>Yeah. 234 01:05:46.890 --> 01:05:48.350 That's <01:05:47.370>right. <01:05:48.290>Yeah. 235 01:05:49.060 --> 01:06:03.360 But <01:05:49.340>seriously, <01:05:50.440>that's <01:05:50.800>a <01:05:50.900>cool <01:05:51.120>thing <01:05:51.340>to <01:05:51.500>have. <01:05:51.920>I mean, <01:05:52.100>genuinely, <01:05:52.420>I <01:05:52.640>think <01:05:52.760>that's <01:05:52.940>a <01:05:53.060>really <01:05:53.340>nice <01:05:53.620>bit <01:05:53.780>of 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So Henry is a drink, by the way. Stimpunks was founded by, co-founded by Boron, one of the earliest WP committers, core committers, people with keys to merge code that gets released, was rather active before I braved my way into code before Slack. Yeah, I think he kind of almost hand wrote a lot of the key features that are in WordPress now. Could could have been things like the plug in architecture and hooks and things like that. 239 01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:52.080 Not <01:06:47.600>entirely <01:06:47.960>sure.

<01:06:48.720>But <01:06:49.040>OK, <01:06:49.360>I'm <01:06:49.500>going <01:06:49.540>to <01:06:49.600>put <01:06:49.720>you <01:06:49.800>out <01:06:49.940>of <01:06:50.020>your <01:06:50.120>misery. <01:06:50.480>A <01:06:50.800>Henry <01:06:51.300>is. 240 01:06:53.700 --> 01:07:10.700 It's <01:06:54.240>orange <01:06:54.500>juice <01:06:54.780>and <01:06:54.900>lemonade <01:06:55.320>half <01:06:55.600>and <01:06:55.720>half. <01:06:57.100>There <01:06:57.460>you <01:06:57.580>go. <01:06:58.100>Now <01:06:58.220>you <01:06:58.320>know. <01:06:58.880>So <01:06:59.040>you <01:06:59.680>can <01:06:59.820>go <01:07:00.580>and <01:07:00.740>order. <01:07:01.060>I <01:07:01.260>don't <01:07:01.400>know <01:07:01.480>what <01:07:01.660>the <01:07:01.800>geographical <01:07:02.220>limits <01:07:02.800>are <01:07:03.160>when <01:07:03.380>you <01:07:03.500>order <01:07:03.740>that. <01:07:04.100>Like, <01:07:04.340>maybe <01:07:04.740>it's <01:07:04.980>like <01:07:05.160>within <01:07:05.360>half <01:07:05.560>a <01:07:05.640>mile <01:07:05.820>of <01:07:05.980>Elliot's <01:07:06.320>house. <01:07:06.560>But <01:07:06.620>if <01:07:06.720>you <01:07:06.800>ordered <01:07:07.040>that <01:07:07.220>here, <01:07:07.660>you'd <01:07:08.200>get <01:07:08.260>one <01:07:08.400>of <01:07:08.460>those <01:07:08.620>little <01:07:08.840>Hoovers, <01:07:09.760>you <01:07:09.800>know, <01:07:09.980>the <01:07:10.040>Henry <01:07:10.280>Hoovers. 241 01:07:13.820 --> 01:07:53.700 Okay. Right. WordPress contributor toolkit. This is just something I'm going to let you know about. I don't know that there's much for us to discuss about it. But if you, if you're a contributor, or rather, if you would like to contribute to the WordPress project, and you've always found it a little bit daunting getting the tools set up that you need in order to do that. And I think there's probably a lot of people who would like to contribute but don't have the necessary tooling. Now that has been made relatively straightforward with a thing called the WordPress contributor toolkit. And it's, it's gone out up to version 1.2. It really wasn't that long ago that it launched as version one. But now it's version 1.2. 242 01:07:54.935 --> 01:08:28.195 I won't go into all the details of it, but basically it makes the process of having all the tools or an increasingly large suite of tools available at your disposal in a very simple, straightforward way to download and get going. You can go and check it out, make.wordpress.org. I'll link to it in the show notes tomorrow. Anybody want to comment on that? I didn't think anybody would. The only thing I probably want to say is this sounds good purely because I know that whenever I've done like Contributor Days and, oh, I'm going to Contributor Core and things, I'd spend half of it setting up a PC. 243 01:08:28.775 --> 01:08:45.015 Yeah, <01:08:29.235>okay. <01:08:29.635>Exactly, <01:08:30.195>right? <01:08:30.455>Exactly. <01:08:31.175>So <01:08:31.515>I <01:08:31.795>think <01:08:31.975>to <01:08:32.175>make <01:08:32.355>it <01:08:32.495>quicker. <01:08:33.515>Yeah. <01:08:33.935>Oh, <01:08:34.215>so <01:08:34.355>there's <01:08:34.575>a <01:08:34.655>perfect <01:08:34.955>use <01:08:35.175>case <01:08:35.375>for <01:08:35.535>it. <01:08:35.675>If <01:08:35.735>you <01:08:35.815>turn <01:08:36.015>up <01:08:36.135>to <01:08:36.235>a <01:08:36.335>WordCamp <01:08:36.815>and <01:08:36.975>you <01:08:37.015>want <01:08:37.135>to <01:08:37.215>do <01:08:37.335>Contributor <01:08:37.875>Day, <01:08:38.115>you <01:08:38.455>could <01:08:38.695>click <01:08:39.135>a <01:08:39.255>few <01:08:39.415>buttons <01:08:39.735>and <01:08:39.915>you'd <01:08:40.095>be <01:08:40.175>ready <01:08:40.395>to <01:08:40.555>go, <01:08:40.835>whereas <01:08:41.095>actually <01:08:41.675>a <01:08:42.055>lot <01:08:42.215>of <01:08:42.315>people <01:08:42.615>spend <01:08:43.015>half <01:08:43.375>of <01:08:43.515>Contributor <01:08:43.995>Day <01:08:44.195>setting <01:08:44.475>up <01:08:44.635>the <01:08:44.755>tools. 244 01:08:45.115 --> 01:09:09.965 because <01:08:45.255>they've <01:08:45.395>never <01:08:45.555>done <01:08:45.735>it <01:08:45.855>before. <01:08:46.195>That's <01:08:46.495>just <01:08:46.635>dead <01:08:46.975>time. <01:08:49.495>More <01:08:49.935>importantly, <01:08:50.475>though, <01:08:50.975>back <01:08:51.115>to <01:08:51.295>drinks. <01:08:52.965>This <01:08:53.405>is <01:08:53.765>an <01:08:54.245>Arnold <01:08:54.525>Palmer, <01:08:55.065>apparently, <01:08:55.785>is <01:08:55.965>iced <01:08:56.345>tea <01:08:56.525>and <01:08:56.685>lemonade. <01:08:57.445>So <01:08:57.585>we've <01:08:58.265>got <01:08:58.325>Henry <01:08:58.725>and <01:08:59.365>we've <01:08:59.525>got <01:08:59.605>an <01:08:59.745>Arnold <01:08:59.965>Palmer. <01:09:00.545>Keep <01:09:00.905>them <01:09:01.085>coming. <01:09:01.625>This <01:09:01.765>is <01:09:01.945>now <01:09:02.705>what <01:09:02.965>this <01:09:03.145>show <01:09:03.365>has <01:09:03.585>become. <01:09:04.125>It's <01:09:04.265>tell <01:09:05.185>us <01:09:05.325>about <01:09:05.545>your <01:09:05.745>recipes <01:09:06.265>and <01:09:06.845>what <01:09:07.265>they <01:09:07.465>are <01:09:07.585>called. <01:09:08.125>And <01:09:08.165>if <01:09:08.305>they're <01:09:08.445>named <01:09:08.645>after <01:09:08.945>a <01:09:09.125>human, <01:09:09.485>all <01:09:09.585>the <01:09:09.705>better. 245 01:09:11.885 --> 01:09:41.705 Right. <01:09:12.405>I <01:09:12.665>don't <01:09:12.865>know <01:09:12.985>if <01:09:13.065>this <01:09:13.205>is <01:09:13.345>worthy <01:09:13.585>of <01:09:13.745>mention. <01:09:14.385>I <01:09:14.685>genuinely <01:09:15.265>don't. <01:09:15.925>But <01:09:16.025>I <01:09:16.145>saw <01:09:16.405>this. <01:09:16.685>I <01:09:16.745>think <01:09:16.865>I <01:09:16.965>saw <01:09:17.125>this <01:09:17.305>in <01:09:17.445>Remcus's <01:09:18.165>newsletter. <01:09:18.645>I <01:09:18.985>think

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<01:10:05.150>pricing <01:10:05.630>at <01:10:05.810>the <01:10:05.890>moment. <01:10:06.370>If <01:10:06.450>you're <01:10:06.810>into <01:10:07.230>AI <01:10:07.590>and <01:10:07.930>still <01:10:08.230>want <01:10:08.430>to <01:10:08.530>use <01:10:08.730>WordPress <01:10:09.110>as <01:10:09.390>the <01:10:09.590>content <01:10:10.050>piece <01:10:10.730>of <01:10:10.890>that <01:10:11.050>jigsaw <01:10:11.510>puzzle, <01:10:12.030>I <01:10:12.770>don't <01:10:12.910>know, <01:10:13.270>maybe <01:10:13.410>this <01:10:13.630>is <01:10:13.770>something <01:10:14.070>worthy <01:10:14.570>of <01:10:15.050>looking <01:10:15.370>at. 247 01:10:15.530 --> 01:10:21.310 That's <01:10:15.850>all <01:10:15.970>I've <01:10:16.190>got <01:10:16.310>to <01:10:16.470>say. <01:10:16.930>So, <01:10:17.430>Steve, <01:10:18.110>Raquel, <01:10:19.030>Rhys, <01:10:19.310>if <01:10:19.430>you <01:10:19.550>have, <01:10:20.090>fine. <01:10:20.370>If <01:10:20.570>not, <01:10:20.790>I'll <01:10:20.930>move <01:10:21.150>on. 248 01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:47.620 That'll be a no then. Okay, that's fine. Righty-ho. So, right, Steve, we're back to this bit. You mentioned in your, when we were talking about collaborative editing and what have you, you mentioned this thing called the Presence API, which I confess I don't think I'd ever even heard of. You've raised this. Do you want to lean into this for a few minutes? Tell us what it is and how it works. 249 01:10:48.290 --> 01:11:14.130 Oh, <01:10:48.850>I <01:10:49.010>guess <01:10:49.210>this <01:10:49.410>is <01:10:49.590>kind <01:10:49.770>of <01:10:49.930>where <01:10:50.290>the <01:10:50.950>actual <01:10:51.490>impact <01:10:52.870>of <01:10:53.210>the <01:10:53.290>collaboration <01:10:53.690>work <01:10:54.250>has <01:10:55.010>ended <01:10:55.250>up <01:10:55.550>moving <01:10:57.310>much <01:10:57.550>more <01:10:57.710>quickly. <01:10:59.310>Together <01:10:59.790>with <01:11:00.030>the <01:11:00.170>notes <01:11:00.530>feature <01:11:01.550>as <01:11:01.810>well, <01:11:02.310>we're <01:11:03.330>going <01:11:03.410>to <01:11:03.490>start <01:11:03.690>to <01:11:03.850>see <01:11:03.990>this <01:11:04.190>kind <01:11:04.330>of <01:11:04.450>stuff <01:11:04.670>landing <01:11:04.950>in <01:11:05.210>core <01:11:05.430>pretty <01:11:05.710>soon. <01:11:07.790>If <01:11:08.270>you <01:11:08.370>scroll <01:11:08.610>down, <01:11:09.050>I <01:11:09.070>think <01:11:09.370>maybe <01:11:09.990>they <01:11:10.130>have <01:11:10.270>like <01:11:10.430>a <01:11:10.690>dashboard <01:11:11.170>view <01:11:11.530>here, <01:11:11.830>maybe. <01:11:12.370>Yeah, <01:11:12.690>there <01:11:12.790>was. <01:11:13.410>There <01:11:13.890>you <01:11:13.950>go. 250 01:11:14.130 --> 01:11:41.290 You can see who is logged into the site. You can see what they're doing. It works on multi-site as well. So, if you're on the main dashboard of a multi-site, you can see who's logged into each sub-site and what they're doing. So, is this about

who's doing what right this moment? So, is it approximating real-time? Like, okay, John's over. He's editing that post. Suzanne's over there. She's modifying a theme file, blah, blah, blah, that kind of thing. 251 01:11:43.075 --> 01:12:22.835 I guess in the era of full site editing, it would be nice to know. But even in a Google Docs sort of interface, you don't really have that. Or maybe you do. I don't know. I've never lurked into that kind of interface. Maybe the admins do. I don't know. Yeah, you do have a little toolbar across the top of Google Docs that shows you who's looking at it right now. Yeah, but only the one that you're in, right? Whereas this is site-wide, so you get to see what everybody's doing on your entire site all at once. So I think it was a building block that collaborative editing was going to be built on top of, but it's proved to be somewhat useful by itself. And so this is coming to WordPress along with all the improvements to the note features. 252 01:12:23.135 --> 01:12:42.595 Okay, <01:12:23.735>interesting. <01:12:24.575>I <01:12:24.615>mean, <01:12:24.915>these <01:12:25.815>things <01:12:26.255>are <01:12:26.415>just <01:12:26.515>so <01:12:26.775>counterintuitive <01:12:27.555>to <01:12:27.795>me <01:12:27.895>because <01:12:28.035>I'm <01:12:28.255>never <01:12:28.635>in <01:12:28.935>the <01:12:29.055>environment <01:12:29.415>where <01:12:29.695>they'd <01:12:29.955>be <01:12:30.035>useful <01:12:30.435>to <01:12:30.635>me. <01:12:31.415>But <01:12:31.855>like <01:12:32.075>I <01:12:32.195>said, <01:12:32.535>you <01:12:32.555>know, <01:12:32.695>if <01:12:32.755>you've <01:12:32.835>got <01:12:32.915>a <01:12:33.035>team <01:12:33.235>like <01:12:33.435>TechCrunch <01:12:33.955>or <01:12:34.115>something <01:12:34.455>where <01:12:34.755>you're <01:12:34.955>producing <01:12:35.335>15 <01:12:35.875>articles <01:12:36.415>a <01:12:36.635>day, <01:12:37.535>knowing <01:12:37.815>who's <01:12:38.135>doing <01:12:38.335>what <01:12:38.555>I <01:12:38.715>suppose <01:12:39.035>is <01:12:39.315>quite <01:12:40.415>useful. <01:12:41.195>Anything <01:12:41.935>else <01:12:42.195>on <01:12:42.375>that? 253 01:12:43.475 --> 01:12:52.315 Yes, <01:12:43.955>if <01:12:44.435>you <01:12:44.495>go <01:12:44.635>down <01:12:44.815>there, <01:12:45.175>on <01:12:45.215>that <01:12:45.375>part <01:12:45.575>there, <01:12:46.175>there's <01:12:47.115>quite <01:12:47.275>a <01:12:47.375>bit <01:12:47.455>of <01:12:47.555>talk <01:12:47.775>with <01:12:48.035>this <01:12:48.335>about <01:12:48.935>having <01:12:50.815>a <01:12:51.035>user <01:12:51.335>type <01:12:51.635>called <01:12:51.935>agents. 254 01:12:53.915 --> 01:13:05.155 So <01:12:54.395>you'll <01:12:54.875>be <01:12:54.955>able <01:12:55.135>to <01:12:55.295>see <01:12:55.515>not <01:12:55.775>just <01:12:56.295>which <01:12:57.015>human <01:12:57.275>beings <01:12:57.675>are <01:12:57.995>on <01:12:58.175>the <01:12:58.275>site <01:12:58.515>at <01:12:58.655>the <01:12:58.735>same <01:12:58.895>time <01:12:59.135>as <01:12:59.335>you, <01:12:59.675>but <01:13:00.255>also <01:13:00.555>which <01:13:01.195>AI <01:13:02.635>agents <01:13:03.115>are <01:13:03.355>in <01:13:03.655>the <01:13:04.075>site <01:13:04.315>doing <01:13:04.535>things <01:13:04.855>as <01:13:04.995>well. 255 01:13:06.735 --> 01:13:11.795 Okay, <01:13:07.475>thank <01:13:07.575>you. <01:13:08.455>Right, <01:13:09.235>again, <01:13:09.695>back <01:13:09.975>to <01:13:10.135>the <01:13:10.235>important <01:13:10.595>stuff, <01:13:11.215>drinks. 256 01:13:14.395 --> 01:13:42.975 Is that American lemonade or soda-like lemonade? Americans just use sugary lemon juice, but British... No, lemonade's lemonade. 7-Up is not lemonade, it's 7-Up. If you ask for a lemonade, you typically won't get a 7-Up, Courtney, just so that we can clear that important point up. And then something called a mimosa. I don't know what that is either. It's half. It's half? Half orange juice, half, it's supposed to be champagne. 257 01:13:43.490 --> 01:13:55.770 But <01:13:43.930>a <01:13:44.070>lot <01:13:44.150>of <01:13:44.250>times <01:13:44.450>it's <01:13:45.130>like <01:13:45.490>a <01:13:46.010>breakfast <01:13:46.790>drink <01:13:47.070>doing <01:13:47.230>that <01:13:47.550>call <01:13:47.810>on <01:13:47.990>a <01:13:48.090>Monday. <01:13:48.730>It's <01:13:49.050>very <01:13:49.330>difficult <01:13:49.710>for <01:13:49.990>me <01:13:50.070>to <01:13:50.270>summarize <01:13:51.370>what <01:13:51.810>this <01:13:52.010>call <01:13:52.290>is. <01:13:52.690>This <01:13:52.850>is <01:13:52.990>a <01:13:53.150>perfect <01:13:53.530>example. <01:13:54.590>Yeah, <01:13:54.790>we <01:13:54.850>talked <01:13:55.070>about <01:13:55.290>drinks. 258 01:13:57.710 --> 01:14:50.170 Mimosa is like the 10 o'clock in the morning alcohol. Yeah, that's right. I hope nobody is drinking at 10 o'clock in the morning. By the way, Seth says this is so cool. I think you must be talking about the whole thing, right, Seth? This whole episode is so cool. I appreciate that. Okay, back to the actual code again. Oh, no, he must be talking about the presence. I think he's talking about the presence. Yeah, darn. Could be handy for people to keep track of your agents. I was wondering if it was going to end up being used to keep track of your employees, which there was a little bit of me which was a bit saddened when I thought about that, you know, when COVID came around and all of a sudden all the employers when they've got staff working at home wanted to keep a track on exactly who was doing what I was wondering if the TechCrunch staff, for example, might use this to figure out how many posts have you been in today. 259 01:14:50.190 --> 01:14:53.390 Have <01:14:50.610>we <01:14:50.750>seen <01:14:51.010>you <01:14:51.230>actually <01:14:51.610>lurking <01:14:52.090>around <01:14:52.310>in <01:14:52.470>the <01:14:52.530>WordPress <01:14:52.850>website? 260 01:14:57.975 --> 01:15:40.635 I

think this is cool. I mean, I've been quite positive for me today. I think the AI agency, fair enough, is what it is. There was a thing we're talking about, post-locking. There was something, yeah. So this is probably where, like, the example I gave before of, like, somebody's in the post, could you lock this? Almost like, say, well, you could choose if you want to lock the post and you could then just take over. So rather than just being always on. 261 01:15:41.125 --> 01:16:07.425 And <01:15:41.585>always <01:15:41.865>off, <01:15:42.285>it's <01:15:42.425>a <01:15:42.605>let <01:15:43.305>the <01:15:43.425>user <01:15:43.625>decide. <01:15:44.205>So <01:15:44.225>that <01:15:45.025>could <01:15:45.385>work <01:15:45.705>well. <01:15:47.265>Yeah, <01:15:48.065>this <01:15:49.645>could <01:15:50.445>be <01:15:50.785>interesting. <01:15:51.805>So <01:15:52.305>many <01:15:52.865>things <01:15:53.305>inside <01:15:53.985>of <01:15:54.145>the <01:15:54.245>WordPress <01:15:54.645>ecosystem, <01:15:55.945>little <01:15:56.245>things <01:15:56.485>like <01:15:56.645>this, <01:15:56.845>which <01:15:56.965>I'd <01:15:57.165>never <01:15:57.465>heard <01:15:57.725>of <01:15:57.865>before, <01:15:58.365>which <01:15:58.485>is <01:15:58.685>really <01:15:59.005>fascinating. <01:16:00.625>But, <01:16:01.225>you <01:16:01.365>know, <01:16:01.725>because <01:16:02.165>we <01:16:02.845>started <01:16:03.205>the <01:16:03.385>whole <01:16:03.545>thing, <01:16:03.925>now <01:16:04.065>we <01:16:04.265>have <01:16:04.425>to <01:16:04.525>go <01:16:04.665>back <01:16:04.865>to <01:16:05.005>the <01:16:05.125>drinks. <01:16:05.645>Iron <01:16:05.925>Brew <01:16:06.325>is <01:16:06.985>a <01:16:07.145>thing. 262 01:16:07.425 --> 01:16:36.045 If <01:16:08.125>you <01:16:08.205>live <01:16:08.345>in <01:16:08.485>Scotland, <01:16:09.525>I'm <01:16:09.945>going to do <01:16:10.045>my <01:16:10.705>only <01:16:11.105>Scottish <01:16:11.445>accent <01:16:11.805>impression, <01:16:12.425>you're <01:16:13.105>going <01:16:13.145>to <01:16:13.225>hear <01:16:13.365>it <01:16:13.485>once <01:16:13.885>and <01:16:14.425>then <01:16:14.565>I'll <01:16:14.745>never <01:16:15.025>do <01:16:15.265>Scottish <01:16:15.585>again. <01:16:16.045>And <01:16:16.105>it <01:16:16.205>goes <01:16:16.445>like <01:16:16.665>this. <01:16:17.865>Oh, <01:16:18.525>no, <01:16:19.405>I <01:16:19.665>can't. <01:16:19.945>I <01:16:20.225>can't <01:16:20.525>bring <01:16:20.765>myself <01:16:21.065>to <01:16:21.345>do <01:16:21.505>it <01:16:21.625>now. <01:16:21.965>Do <01:16:22.105>it. <01:16:22.505>No, <01:16:22.825>I <01:16:22.965>can't. <01:16:23.325>I'm <01:16:23.705>smiling. <01:16:24.265>I <01:16:24.405>can't <01:16:24.585>do <01:16:24.685>it <01:16:24.725>when <01:16:24.865>I'm <01:16:24.985>smiling. <01:16:25.605>OK, <01:16:25.785>here <01:16:25.905>we <01:16:25.965>go. <01:16:26.305>So <01:16:26.545>it's <01:16:26.705>an <01:16:26.825>advert <01:16:27.145>for <01:16:27.645>Iron <01:16:28.065>Brew. <01:16:28.685>And <01:16:28.745>it <01:16:28.845>goes <01:16:29.045>like, <01:16:29.385>do <01:16:29.565>you <01:16:29.625>remember <01:16:29.825>the <01:16:30.005>Iron <01:16:30.285>Brew <01:16:30.505>advert <01:16:30.845>Steve <01:16:31.265>and <01:16:31.565>Reece <01:16:32.085>that <01:16:32.185>used <01:16:32.305>to <01:16:32.405>go <01:16:32.525>bars, <01:16:32.965>Iron <01:16:33.285>Brew <01:16:33.605>made <01:16:34.345>in <01:16:34.605>Scotland <01:16:34.945>from <01:16:35.365>Genders? 263 01:16:36.045 --> 01:17:14.675 Do you remember that? Yeah, there we go. Buckfast is another Scottish drink, but I wonder if Nathan's heard of a Bloody Mary. Yes, that's tomato juice, right, with Worcestershire sauce in it and things like that. And there we go. Let's move on. Oh, I'm all embarrassed now. Right. Right. So, Steve, your thing. This is the deluge, I'm presuming because of AI, in the plugin, well, the repository. You've actually got the numbers written in the show notes. I don't know if you can see those, but they were the, I suppose they were the big ones. 264 01:17:14.695 --> 01:17:17.795 It, <01:17:14.795>which <01:17:15.015>gave <01:17:15.255>away <01:17:15.515>what's <01:17:15.815>going <01:17:16.015>on. <01:17:16.315>Do <01:17:16.335>you <01:17:16.395>want <01:17:16.475>to <01:17:16.555>tell <01:17:16.715>us <01:17:16.875>a <01:17:16.995>little <01:17:17.115>bit <01:17:17.275>about <01:17:17.475>this? 265 01:17:18.755 --> 01:17:55.665 Yeah. <01:17:19.395>So, <01:17:19.615>this <01:17:19.695>was <01:17:19.875>inspired <01:17:20.415>by <01:17:20.915>Imran, <01:17:22.475>I <01:17:22.535>think, <01:17:22.775>who's <01:17:22.875>in <01:17:22.995>the <01:17:23.075>comments. <01:17:24.115>I <01:17:24.555>saw <01:17:24.815>a <01:17:25.235>post <01:17:26.355>he <01:17:26.535>put <01:17:26.735>out <01:17:27.015>about <01:17:28.175>how <01:17:28.495>weird <01:17:29.035>things <01:17:29.655>are <01:17:29.835>getting <01:17:30.035>with <01:17:30.295>the <01:17:30.655>plugin <01:17:32.615>repo <01:17:33.015>right <01:17:33.235>now. <01:17:34.655>That <01:17:35.095>the <01:17:35.655>number <01:17:36.035>of <01:17:36.615>submissions <01:17:37.355>is <01:17:38.195>just <01:17:38.615>skyrocketing. <01:17:41.035>Great. <01:17:42.235>And I'm <01:17:42.255>like, <01:17:42.775>okay? <01:17:43.155>It's <01:17:43.415>okay. <01:17:43.665>We're <01:17:44.225>talking <01:17:44.505>like <01:17:44.685>multiples <01:17:45.245>of <01:17:45.525>previous <01:17:45.885>years, <01:17:46.445>like <01:17:46.605>5, <01:17:47.305>6, <01:17:48.045>7, <01:17:48.645>8, <01:17:48.925>10 <01:17:49.205>times <01:17:49.705>previous <01:17:50.125>years <01:17:50.505>in <01:17:50.685>terms <01:17:50.905>of <01:17:51.065>submissions, <01:17:51.565>but <01:17:52.665>also <01:17:53.005>a <01:17:53.725>lot <01:17:53.845>of <01:17:53.945>the <01:17:54.045>submissions <01:17:54.405>are <01:17:54.625>just <01:17:54.765>not <01:17:54.905>getting <01:17:55.105>followed

<01:17:55.345>up <01:17:55.525>on. 266 01:17:58.005 --> 01:18:05.685 People <01:17:58.485>will <01:17:58.925>vibe <01:17:59.945>code <01:18:00.225>something, <01:18:00.805>they'll <01:18:00.885>submit <01:18:01.105>it <01:18:01.245>to <01:18:01.325>the <01:18:01.425>repo, <01:18:02.045>they'll <01:18:02.685>get <01:18:02.825>pushed <01:18:03.085>back, <01:18:03.465>and they'll <01:18:03.545>be <01:18:03.605>like, <01:18:04.085>well, <01:18:04.525>I <01:18:04.845>got <01:18:04.965>bored, <01:18:05.205>I <01:18:05.325>moved <01:18:05.505>on. 267 01:18:07.925 --> 01:18:52.405 So <01:18:08.445>the <01:18:08.665>numbers <01:18:09.205>are <01:18:09.345>crazy, <01:18:09.725>and <01:18:10.405>we've <01:18:11.105>been <01:18:11.245>feeling <01:18:11.485>the <01:18:11.645>impact <01:18:11.925>of <01:18:12.085>this. <01:18:12.425>We've <01:18:12.545>been <01:18:12.725>putting <01:18:12.945>a <01:18:13.085>few <01:18:13.265>plugins <01:18:13.705>through <01:18:14.785>the <01:18:15.065>submission <01:18:15.425>process <01:18:16.065>lately, <01:18:16.505>and <01:18:17.745>it's <01:18:19.805>interesting <01:18:20.205>times <01:18:20.625>right <01:18:20.825>now <01:18:21.065>to <01:18:21.425>try <01:18:22.645>and <01:18:22.785>get <01:18:22.925>a <01:18:23.125>plugin <01:18:23.825>on <01:18:24.045>the <01:18:24.165>repo. <01:18:24.445>So <01:18:24.565>they're <01:18:25.325>using <01:18:25.525>a <01:18:25.665>lot <01:18:25.785>of <01:18:25.925>AI <01:18:26.265>tools <01:18:26.825>to <01:18:27.065>give <01:18:27.225>feedback <01:18:27.585>now, <01:18:28.085>and <01:18:29.045>for <01:18:30.245>those <01:18:30.645>of <01:18:30.765>you <01:18:30.865>guys <01:18:31.085>that <01:18:31.245>have <01:18:31.345>been <01:18:31.465>around <01:18:31.725>for <01:18:31.925>a <01:18:32.005>while, <01:18:32.485>it used <01:18:32.585>to <01:18:32.705>take <01:18:32.965>months <01:18:35.905>to <01:18:36.245>get <01:18:36.365>feedback <01:18:36.805>from <01:18:37.725>the, <01:18:38.725>even <01:18:40.865>like <01:18:42.065>a <01:18:42.165>year <01:18:42.345>or <01:18:42.465>so <01:18:42.605>ago, <01:18:43.065>it <01:18:43.205>used <01:18:43.385>to <01:18:43.505>be <01:18:43.745>that <01:18:44.485>they'd <01:18:44.965>say, <01:18:46.065>You <01:18:46.605>might <01:18:47.085>have <01:18:47.245>to <01:18:47.325>wait <01:18:47.465>16 <01:18:47.885>weeks <01:18:48.365>to <01:18:48.705>get <01:18:49.045>feedback <01:18:50.125>on <01:18:50.885>your <01:18:51.205>plugin <01:18:51.525>for <01:18:51.765>the <01:18:51.845>first <01:18:52.045>time. 268 01:18:53.065 --> 01:19:02.485 We <01:18:53.525>did <01:18:53.645>one <01:18:53.865>last <01:18:54.025>week, <01:18:54.785>5 <01:18:54.925>minutes, <01:18:56.125>5 <01:18:56.345>minutes. <01:18:58.065>We <01:18:58.345>submitted <01:18:59.145>a <01:18:59.305>plugin <01:18:59.545>and <01:18:59.945>there <01:19:00.065>was <01:19:00.165>a <01:19:00.265>big <01:19:00.405>AI <01:19:00.725>report <01:19:01.145>in <01:19:01.325>our <01:19:01.465>inbox <01:19:01.765>5 <01:19:02.045>minutes <01:19:02.265>later. 269 01:19:03.845 --> 01:19:08.305 But <01:19:04.265>did <01:19:04.445>you <01:19:04.625>manage, <01:19:05.005>okay, <01:19:05.385>let's <01:19:06.225>do <01:19:06.345>the <01:19:06.465>numbers <01:19:06.785>first <01:19:07.105>because <01:19:07.285>I <01:19:07.405>think <01:19:07.485>this <01:19:07.645>is <01:19:07.745>really <01:19:07.945>interesting. 270 01:19:08.305 --> 01:19:37.065 So, <01:19:08.725>2022, <01:19:10.025>this <01:19:13.705>is <01:19:13.845>per <01:19:14.105>month, <01:19:14.685>right? <01:19:15.085>Is <01:19:15.185>that <01:19:15.325>right? <01:19:15.725>Are <01:19:15.785>these <01:19:15.965>numbers <01:19:16.265>per <01:19:16.525>month? <01:19:16.925>Yeah. <01:19:17.385>So, <01:19:17.645>in <01:19:17.765>2022, <01:19:18.385>there <01:19:18.525>were <01:19:18.625>129 <01:19:19.345>submissions <01:19:19.825>to <01:19:20.065>the <01:19:20.145>WordPress <01:19:20.485>plugin <01:19:20.825>repo <01:19:21.185>per <01:19:21.525>month. <01:19:21.865>By <01:19:22.225>2023, <01:19:23.065>more <01:19:23.845>or <01:19:23.925>less <01:19:24.025>the <01:19:24.145>same, <01:19:24.605>you know, <01:19:24.805>100 <01:19:25.025>and <01:19:25.245>something, <01:19:25.745>107. <01:19:26.905>Start <01:19:27.185>to <01:19:27.285>see <01:19:27.345>a <01:19:27.425>little <01:19:27.525>bit <01:19:27.665>of <01:19:27.785>a <01:19:27.885>rise, <01:19:28.225>2024, <01:19:28.885>145. <01:19:30.045>Then <01:19:30.305>along <01:19:30.965>come <01:19:31.245>the <01:19:31.885>AI <01:19:32.225>agents, <01:19:32.785>I'm <01:19:32.885>guessing, <01:19:33.425>and <01:19:33.525>we <01:19:33.605>start <01:19:33.825>to <01:19:33.945>see <01:19:33.985>a <01:19:34.085>bit <01:19:34.205>of <01:19:34.305>an <01:19:34.425>incline, <01:19:35.105>254 <01:19:36.125>last <01:19:36.705>year. 271 01:19:37.605 --> 01:20:22.900 Now, this year, currently... Now, this year, currently... That's nuts. 1,021, I just don't know how the humans are supposed to keep up with that. I guess the answer is they're not. We are kind of in the era of doing things with AI, like you've just described. But that is a lot of things for people to manage, and I just don't know how we keep up with that, basically. Yeah. If you look at the numbers in that, the plug-in queue stats, and granted this is just a snapshot, you're looking at it and going 4,598 in the queue. Of those, the pending waiting for author is 3,860. 272 01:20:23.440 --> 01:20:58.880 Wow. Okay. But that is what Steve is saying, is that of the queue, the people... The people who are vibe-coding it have a go, can't get on and go on to the next thing. Right. Don't even reply to the email coming back. Just drop it. Yeah. So that's just wasted effort on everybody's behalf, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, yes, but again, if what Steve is saying is, you know, and there's no reason for it to not be true, because he does it more often, but in five minutes it gets to send and it's an AI. 273

01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:52.285 So, <01:21:01.240>I <01:21:01.840>think <01:21:02.260>there's <01:21:03.360>almost <01:21:03.720>like <01:21:04.020>a <01:21:04.140>little <01:21:04.320>bit <01:21:04.480>of <01:21:04.660>saying <01:21:04.860>if <01:21:05.220>you've <01:21:05.540>got <01:21:05.680>an <01:21:05.860>AI <01:21:06.140>to <01:21:06.460>code <01:21:06.800>your <01:21:07.000>bot, <01:21:07.500>we <01:21:08.180>are <01:21:08.400>going <01:21:08.680>to <01:21:09.020>respond <01:21:09.940>to <01:21:10.280>it <01:21:10.540>with <01:21:11.460>AI. <01:21:12.520>So, <01:21:13.180>and <01:21:13.480>it <01:21:13.660>filters <01:21:15.820>out, <01:21:16.300>you <01:21:16.920>know, <01:21:17.100>the <01:21:17.160>AI, <01:21:17.540>the <01:21:18.900>the, the <01:21:20.000>the <01:21:20.140>vibe <01:21:20.220>coders <01:21:20.560>and <01:21:20.680>everything. <01:21:20.960>I <01:21:21.040>do <01:21:21.160>like <01:21:21.280>that. <01:21:22.305>Don't <01:21:22.825>want <01:21:22.905>to <01:21:22.985>say <01:21:23.145>low <01:21:23.385>effort, <01:21:23.885>but <01:21:24.205>almost <01:21:24.745>like <01:21:25.025>the <01:21:25.185>low <01:21:25.405>effort <01:21:25.765>kind <01:21:26.265>of <01:21:26.665>people <01:21:27.225>who <01:21:27.405>find <01:21:28.005>code. <01:21:28.425>And <01:21:29.025>then <01:21:29.245>people <01:21:30.425>who <01:21:30.605>go <01:21:30.825>through <01:21:31.045>that <01:21:31.325>one <01:21:32.065>step, <01:21:32.845>like <01:21:33.505>Steve, <01:21:34.065>like <01:21:34.365>myself <01:21:35.365>and <01:21:35.725>when <01:21:36.165>I <01:21:36.305>put <01:21:36.545>code <01:21:36.885>on <01:21:37.725>the <01:21:37.825>repository, <01:21:38.245>like <01:21:38.645>most <01:21:39.325>of <01:21:39.425>the <01:21:39.485>people <01:21:39.825>in <01:21:41.025>chat, <01:21:41.505>because <01:21:41.705>I <01:21:41.805>know <01:21:41.905>a <01:21:42.045>few <01:21:42.145>people <01:21:42.525>have <01:21:43.625>got <01:21:43.845>code, <01:21:44.485>then <01:21:44.945>you <01:21:46.165>get <01:21:47.345>the <01:21:47.505>more, <01:21:47.905>you <01:21:49.165>know, <01:21:49.745>the <01:21:50.825>feedback <01:21:51.305>that <01:21:51.565>kind <01:21:51.765>of <01:21:51.865>makes <01:21:52.145>sense. 274 01:21:52.745 --> 01:22:51.240 And <01:21:53.145>there <01:21:53.265>are <01:21:53.425>times <01:21:53.825>when <01:21:54.205>I've <01:21:55.385>replied <01:21:56.025>to <01:21:56.225>feedback <01:21:56.605>as <01:21:57.025>a <01:21:57.125>plugin <01:21:57.385>developer <01:21:57.845>and <01:21:58.085>gone, <01:21:58.465>no, <01:21:59.265>this <01:21:59.565>is <01:21:59.745>why <01:22:00.145>this <01:22:01.885>is, <01:22:02.345>you <01:22:02.425>know, <01:22:02.545>the <01:22:02.665>AI <01:22:02.925>was <01:22:03.265>wrong. <01:22:04.485>Or <01:22:04.885>I <01:22:05.385>said, <01:22:05.825>look, <01:22:06.205>we've <01:22:06.685>done <01:22:06.805>it <01:22:06.925>this <01:22:07.085>way <01:22:07.245>because <01:22:07.485>of <01:22:07.645>this. <01:22:07.905>And <01:22:07.985>once <01:22:08.165>you <01:22:08.265>get <01:22:08.385>to <01:22:08.505>a <01:22:08.605>human, <01:22:09.005>they're <01:22:09.085>like, <01:22:09.925>okay, <01:22:10.405>well, <01:22:10.985>fair <01:22:11.545>enough <01:22:11.885>kind <01:22:12.085>of <01:22:12.205>thing. <01:22:12.445>There <01:22:12.485>have <01:22:12.685>been, <01:22:12.905>you <01:22:13.005>know, <01:22:13.165>it's <01:22:13.765>things <01:22:15.305>like <01:22:15.565>that. <01:22:16.685>Thank <01:22:17.205>you, <01:22:18.225>Rhys. <01:22:18.585>Thanks <01:22:18.685>for <01:22:18.845>that. <01:22:19.345>Two <01:22:19.865>very <01:22:20.125>important <01:22:20.565>comments <01:22:20.965>coming <01:22:21.165>up. <01:22:21.465>Firstly, <01:22:22.300>This <01:22:22.780>one. <01:22:24.100>Nobody's <01:22:24.580>ever <01:22:24.720>said <01:22:24.900>that <01:22:25.100>before. <01:22:25.680>Can <01:22:26.140>we <01:22:26.300>just <01:22:26.440>end <01:22:26.680>on <01:22:27.140>that? <01:22:27.560>I <01:22:27.900>think <01:22:28.080>Nathan's <01:22:28.460>absolutely <01:22:28.800>right. <01:22:29.160>Can <01:22:29.240>we <01:22:29.320>just <01:22:29.480>stop <01:22:29.760>there? <01:22:31.540>Because <01:22:32.020>nobody's <01:22:32.500>ever <01:22:32.780>said <01:22:33.020>that <01:22:33.220>before. <01:22:34.240>Can <01:22:34.720>we <01:22:36.820>just <01:22:37.000>screenshot <01:22:37.420>that? <01:22:37.560>Is <01:22:37.960>that <01:22:38.080>the <01:22:38.220>title <01:22:38.500>of <01:22:38.700>the <01:22:38.780>show? <01:22:39.360>Yeah. <01:22:39.920>Oh <01:22:40.400>yeah, <01:22:40.960>that's <01:22:41.180>the <01:22:41.320>title, <01:22:41.820>baby. <01:22:42.260>That's <01:22:42.440>what <01:22:42.620>this <01:22:42.860>one's <01:22:43.140>going <01:22:43.260>to <01:22:43.320>be <01:22:43.420>called. <01:22:43.700>I <01:22:43.780>think <01:22:43.940>Nathan's <01:22:44.320>absolutely <01:22:44.700>right. <01:22:45.420>Brilliant. <01:22:46.260>And <01:22:46.340>then <01:22:46.440>the <01:22:46.580>next <01:22:46.820>one <01:22:47.000>is <01:22:47.160>just <01:22:47.440>totally <01:22:47.880>out <01:22:48.040>of <01:22:48.120>context. <01:22:48.680>I <01:22:48.700>saw <01:22:48.920>this. <01:22:49.800>Steve <01:22:50.280>licked <01:22:50.720>a <01:22:50.920>hammer. 275 01:22:51.700 --> 01:23:09.700 Mate, <01:22:52.260>that's <01:22:52.560>got <01:22:52.780>to <01:22:52.860>be <01:22:53.000>the <01:22:53.160>title. <01:22:53.720>Surely <01:22:53.960>that's <01:22:54.320>got <01:22:54.480>to <01:22:54.580>be <01:22:54.700>the <01:22:54.960>episode <01:22:55.940>title <01:22:56.400>for <01:22:56.600>this <01:22:56.760>one, <01:22:57.040>Steve. <01:22:58.020>Amber, <01:22:58.840>what's <01:22:59.040>going <01:22:59.220>on <01:22:59.420>with <01:22:59.540>that <01:22:59.680>comment? <01:23:00.020>I'm <01:23:00.220>trying <01:23:00.520>to <01:23:00.780>parse <01:23:01.220>the, <01:23:01.600>where <01:23:01.880>does

<01:23:02.120>it <01:23:02.260>fit <01:23:02.520>into <01:23:02.840>everything? <01:23:03.580>Steve <01:23:03.800>licked <01:23:04.020>a <01:23:04.120>hammer <01:23:04.320>and <01:23:04.480>compared <01:23:04.840>the <01:23:05.020>flavor. <01:23:05.420>I'm <01:23:05.480>not, <01:23:05.800>I <01:23:05.900>don't, <01:23:06.180>I <01:23:06.620>love <01:23:06.880>it. <01:23:07.140>It <01:23:07.400>sounds <01:23:07.560>like <01:23:07.700>a <01:23:07.800>song <01:23:08.060>title. <01:23:08.840>Steve <01:23:09.120>licked <01:23:09.520>a <01:23:09.620>hammer. 276 01:23:22.090 --> 01:24:05.650 Like 1 in 20 kind of territory is actually a human being now. Okay. My fear is that number of Vibe-coded plugins has come in fast and go dead fast because the authors move on to other interests. Yeah, it's a one-shot, right? It's a one-er. If you don't get it in first time, you just move on, do something else. Well, the feedback that comes from the AI is detailed. Some of our plugins get like multiple page PDFs. The AI is just able to do a much deeper dive than a human ever could. And so I think probably 95% of the plugins on the repo would not qualify for the repo right now. 277 01:24:05.650 --> 01:24:32.400 Okay. That's also very true. Right, right. The bar for new plugins. Which is a benefit, I guess, of the AI era, that we can raise the bar really high on what plug-in submissions are approved. Amber says, oh, so it was about a Bloody Mary. Now I wonder if Nathan has heard as a Bloody Mary. Steve licked a hammer and compared the flavour. Okay, so apparently a Bloody Mary tastes like a hammer. 278 01:24:34.920 --> 01:25:00.440 I <01:24:35.280>confess <01:24:35.640>I've <01:24:35.900>never <01:24:36.080>licked <01:24:36.320>a <01:24:36.420>hammer, <01:24:36.700>so <01:24:36.880>I'm <01:24:37.320>going <01:24:37.420>to <01:24:37.520>try <01:24:37.740>that. <01:24:38.040>That's <01:24:38.240>this <01:24:38.400>evening's <01:24:40.280>study. <01:24:41.100>Go <01:24:41.460>out <01:24:41.600>and <01:24:41.700>lick <01:24:41.880>a <01:24:41.980>hammer <01:24:42.160>and <01:24:42.400>then <01:24:42.520>try <01:24:42.860>a <01:24:43.000>Bloody <01:24:43.260>Mary <01:24:43.620>and <01:24:43.800>see <01:24:43.900>if <01:24:44.020>the <01:24:44.100>same. <01:24:44.320>Thank <01:24:44.440>you, <01:24:44.640>Amber. <01:24:44.840>I <01:24:45.000>appreciate <01:24:45.360>you <01:24:45.560>giving <01:24:45.800>us <01:24:45.960>the <01:24:46.080>context <01:24:46.420>there. <01:24:47.560>Right, <01:24:48.040>let's <01:24:48.260>quickly <01:24:48.620>wrap <01:24:48.880>it <01:24:48.980>up. <01:24:49.160>There's <01:24:49.200>a <01:24:49.280>few <01:24:49.380>things <01:24:49.620>that <01:24:49.740>I <01:24:49.820>wanted <01:24:49.980>to <01:24:50.160>mention. <01:24:50.400>The <01:24:50.640>first <01:24:50.860>one <01:24:51.000>is <01:24:51.220>this, <01:24:52.160>Rodolfo <01:24:53.480>Malogli <01:24:54.260>from, <01:24:56.420>please <01:24:57.420>Raquel, <01:24:58.160>tell <01:24:58.260>me <01:24:58.460>the <01:24:58.700>event <01:24:59.060>name <01:24:59.540>it <01:25:00.060>is. 279 01:25:00.500 --> 01:25:29.940 Check out. Thank you. Check out Summit. Thank you. Check out Summit, amongst other things. He's in the WooCommerce space, and he's got the idea that there's quite a lot of WooCommerce plugins at the minute which are not getting the attention that they deserve, so he's come up with this idea called Save the Plugin, and it's almost like a little mini-community that you get yourself involved in, and it feels like you drop into almost like a Slack channel or something like that, and you help each other during this month-long initiative. 280 01:25:29.940 --> 01:25:58.840 I don't know when it began or when it's going to. Maybe it hasn't begun already, but it's a 30-day sprint for premium plug-in founders to try and get you basically back on track if your plug-ins are foundering or at least not getting it. If you scroll down a little, he's got an interesting business model. Tell me where I should stop. Oh, there. Just that bit there. Back up, back up. Back up, back up. How it works. Right. Simple three steps. Join the program, buy your seat, and get to a private Slack group. 281 01:25:58.840 --> 01:26:26.305 I <01:25:59.020>was <01:25:59.160>right. <01:25:59.440>It was <01:25:59.560>Slack, <01:26:00.100>yeah. <01:26:00.820>Number <01:26:01.220>two, <01:26:01.540>do <01:26:01.640>the <01:26:01.760>work. <01:26:02.060>Finish <01:26:02.220>the <01:26:02.360>20 <01:26:02.640>tasks <01:26:03.020>in <01:26:03.200>30 <01:26:03.500>days, <01:26:03.960>posting <01:26:04.220>proof <01:26:04.600>that <01:26:05.040>you <01:26:05.420>did <01:26:06.180>it <01:26:06.320>as <01:26:06.460>you <01:26:06.560>go, <01:26:07.020>and <01:26:07.680>then <01:26:07.800>finally, <01:26:08.380>finish <01:26:08.580>everything. <01:26:09.300>Pick <01:26:09.420>up <01:26:09.560>the <01:26:09.680>reward <01:26:10.000>that <01:26:10.220>fits <01:26:10.540>you. <01:26:10.820>What's <01:26:11.060>the <01:26:11.180>reward? <01:26:11.840>Finish <01:26:12.100>the <01:26:12.280>check. <01:26:12.660>Get <01:26:12.840>more. <01:26:13.825>Then <01:26:14.325>a <01:26:14.465>hundred <01:26:14.665>percent <01:26:14.985>back <01:26:15.325>in <01:26:15.505>credit. <01:26:16.265>Ooh! <01:26:17.005>So <01:26:17.325>you <01:26:17.445>get <01:26:17.605>some <01:26:17.845>cash <01:26:18.205>back <01:26:18.465>in <01:26:18.665>return. <01:26:18.945>That <01:26:19.025>is <01:26:19.205>an <01:26:19.325>interesting <01:26:19.725>model. <01:26:20.465>How <01:26:20.565>do <01:26:20.665>you <01:26:20.725>make <01:26:20.865>that <01:26:21.045>pay? <01:26:21.865>I <01:26:22.265>think <01:26:22.385>we <01:26:22.505>need <01:26:22.645>to <01:26:22.745>speak <01:26:22.885>to <01:26:23.125>Redolf. <01:26:23.625>I <01:26:23.765>think <01:26:23.985>it's, <01:26:24.245>I <01:26:24.345>don't <01:26:24.765>think <01:26:24.925>it's <01:26:25.085>cash. <01:26:25.485>I think

<01:26:25.645>it's... 282 01:26:26.305 --> 01:26:51.645 Oh, <01:26:27.185>okay. <01:26:27.525>Yeah, <01:26:28.025>it <01:26:28.065>looks <01:26:28.285>like... <01:26:28.565>So, <01:26:29.565>yeah, <01:26:30.025>if <01:26:30.145>you <01:26:30.225>scroll <01:26:30.465>down... <01:26:30.785>You have to <01:26:30.885>choose. <01:26:31.605>Yeah, <01:26:31.805>you <01:26:31.905>have <01:26:32.065>to <01:26:32.185>choose. <01:26:33.125>Oh, <01:26:33.685>okay. <01:26:34.145>Pick <01:26:34.305>one <01:26:34.505>when <01:26:34.645>you <01:26:34.765>finish. <01:26:35.865>Four <01:26:36.025>months <01:26:36.385>as <01:26:37.545>a <01:26:37.685>Woo <01:26:37.885>Weekly <01:26:38.285>Balcony <01:26:38.825>classified. <01:26:39.665>One <01:26:39.745>year <01:26:39.945>of <01:26:40.105>business. <01:26:40.505>Okay, <01:26:41.045>so <01:26:41.125>yeah. <01:26:41.745>Okay, <01:26:42.025>so <01:26:42.145>it <01:26:42.285>feeds <01:26:42.545>into <01:26:42.785>the <01:26:42.965>different <01:26:43.185>bits <01:26:43.405>and <01:26:43.525>pieces. <01:26:43.745>That <01:26:43.965>he's <01:26:44.165>got <01:26:44.285>going <01:26:44.545>on <01:26:44.725>like <01:26:45.105>Business <01:26:46.265>Bloomer <01:26:46.665>and <01:26:46.885>Checkout <01:26:47.285>Summit. <01:26:47.745>That <01:26:47.905>is <01:26:48.305>an <01:26:48.465>interesting <01:26:48.845>business <01:26:49.225>model. <01:26:49.825>I <01:26:49.925>like <01:26:50.245>that. <01:26:50.745>That's <01:26:51.125>very <01:26:51.325>clever. 283 01:26:52.265 --> 01:27:01.370 He's <01:26:52.765>a <01:26:52.885>clever <01:26:53.165>chap, <01:26:53.705>is <01:26:53.765>Rodolfo, <01:26:54.345>isn't <01:26:54.505>he? <01:26:54.685>So <01:26:54.785>he's <01:26:55.005>kind <01:26:55.125>of <01:26:55.265>promoting <01:26:55.865>his <01:26:56.105>other <01:26:56.285>services <01:26:56.825>and <01:26:57.165>events <01:26:57.545>and <01:26:57.725>things <01:26:57.985>through <01:26:58.345>this. <01:26:59.310>Sort <01:26:59.750>of <01:26:59.890>feedback <01:27:00.230>loop. <01:27:00.850>Very <01:27:01.030>cool. 284 01:27:02.710 --> 01:27:08.290 A <01:27:03.090>comment <01:27:03.270>that's <01:27:03.490>just <01:27:03.610>come <01:27:03.810>in <01:27:03.890>from <01:27:04.050>Elliot. <01:27:04.990>Apparently <01:27:05.410>he <01:27:05.610>started <01:27:05.810>today. <01:27:06.550>Okay. <01:27:07.090>So <01:27:07.470>go <01:27:07.630>and <01:27:07.770>check <01:27:07.950>it <01:27:08.090>out. 285 01:27:09.590 --> 01:27:16.550 The URL is, as you'd imagine, savetheplugin.com. Thank you, Elliot, for letting us know of the dates. 286 01:27:18.130 --> 01:27:45.710 Very, <01:27:18.550>very <01:27:18.970>last <01:27:19.670>few. <01:27:19.910>I <01:27:20.230>promise <01:27:20.610>we'll <01:27:20.950>get <01:27:21.090>out <01:27:21.250>of <01:27:21.330>your <01:27:21.450>hair <01:27:21.610>quickly. <01:27:22.270>One <01:27:22.450>billion <01:27:22.790>downloads. <01:27:23.590>There's <01:27:23.670>not <01:27:23.770>much <01:27:23.950>more <01:27:24.110>to <01:27:24.230>say <01:27:24.390>than <01:27:24.570>that. <01:27:24.810>As <01:27:25.570>far <01:27:25.730>as <01:27:25.890>I'm <01:27:26.150>aware, <01:27:26.650>there <01:27:26.730>is <01:27:26.870>no <01:27:27.110>plugin <01:27:27.490>that <01:27:28.310>has <01:27:28.450>got <01:27:28.630>anywhere <01:27:29.310>close <01:27:29.670>to <01:27:29.830>that. <01:27:30.150>This <01:27:30.230>is, <01:27:30.490>of <01:27:30.550>course, <01:27:30.910>Yoast. <01:27:32.190>Yoast <01:27:32.590>has <01:27:32.710>now <01:27:32.850>been <01:27:33.030>downloaded <01:27:33.550>a <01:27:33.930>billion <01:27:34.350>times, <01:27:35.450>which <01:27:36.070>is <01:27:36.270>pretty <01:27:36.550>impressive. <01:27:37.050>We <01:27:37.450>all <01:27:37.590>know <01:27:37.730>what <01:27:37.890>it <01:27:38.010>does <01:27:38.190>and <01:27:38.330>how <01:27:38.490>it <01:27:38.630>works <01:27:38.970>and <01:27:39.170>all <01:27:39.390>of <01:27:39.470>that. <01:27:39.770>But <01:27:39.890>just <01:27:40.270>to <01:27:40.430>say, <01:27:40.930>wow, <01:27:41.230>what <01:27:41.350>a <01:27:41.470>milestone. <01:27:43.050>A <01:27:43.450>billion <01:27:43.750>downloads. <01:27:44.510>That's <01:27:44.910>really <01:27:45.230>impressive. 287 01:27:45.930 --> 01:27:47.430 So, <01:27:46.170>bravo <01:27:46.550>to <01:27:46.790>those <01:27:47.090>people. 288 01:27:50.375 --> 01:28:17.955 OpenStation has now officially launched. It used to be called Desktop Mode but it's now officially called OpenStation. Can I just say go check it out? I know I keep banging on about this. It's my hobby horse. I love it. I think it's such a great idea. It's like imagine a desktop for your WordPress website. I know that most of you don't want it or have no interest in it, but it's so great. It's such a good idea and it enables you to do, for example, I don't know, previewing. 289 01:28:17.955 --> 01:28:41.735 In real time, so you put where you're editing on the left, what you want to preview on the right or you could have the media library. It's got like a little dock interface that you might have, you know, on your Mac or something like that. It's just a desktop version all living inside of a browser tab. So I thought that was pretty cool. And now it's officially called OpenStation and we haven't got time for that last one, I don't think, sadly. 290 01:28:43.655 --> 01:29:01.135 But there we go. And yeah, you're right, Steve. I haven't mentioned show.fm at all. There's an app now if you're into podcasting. It's called show.fm. There. I've mentioned it. There we go. Oh, come on. Next week you need a t-shirt. I need a hat. Yeah, I need a hat. I need a t-shirt. I need to do the whole thing. 291 01:29:02.635 --> 01:29:28.695 Yeah, if you're making a podcast, go to show.fm. Go check it out. Because me and Dan maybe. Mostly Dan. 99% Dan. I talk about it. Dan does the hard work. But we've got an app if you're a podcaster and you want help making your podcast

easier. So there you go. Right. That's it. So do we call this episode? Do we call it? So I'm after a vote of hands from our panelists. Do we call it? Nathan is absolutely right. Or do we call it Steve Lick to Hammer? 292 01:29:30.015 --> 01:29:59.550 What do you reckon? Call it sponsored by show.fm. Okay. Okay. Steve Lick to Hammer sponsored by show.fm. Should we go with that? I think Steve Lick to Hammer just sounds so funny. Yeah, okay. Let's just go with that. Go with Steve Lick to Hammer. So Amber, this episode is going to be called Steve Lick to Hammer and you can... You can go and tell him that it's because he licked a hammer trying to spot the flavour of Bloody Mary. That's it! Oh, that was weird. It all kind of went a bit bear-shaped there. Let me make that far away. 293 01:30:00.250 --> 01:30:23.190 We will be back this Monday to talk about more WordPress-y different bits and pieces. But I guess before we say goodbye to our guests, I want to thank everybody. Quite a few comments in there, the obvious things that got your attention this week. AI as usual, and then a whole load of stuff around events at the beginning. And then towards the end, drinks. 294 01:30:25.030 --> 01:31:00.015 And <01:30:25.490>more <01:30:25.790>drinks. <01:30:26.450>More <01:30:26.770>drinks. <01:30:27.990>More <01:30:28.130>drinks. <01:30:29.410>Terrible <01:30:29.870>at <01:30:30.030>marketing. <01:30:30.350>I <01:30:30.450>am <01:30:30.730>so <01:30:31.250>terrible <01:30:31.690>at <01:30:31.870>marketing. <01:30:32.450>You're <01:30:32.530>absolutely <01:30:32.830>right. <01:30:33.150>No <01:30:33.270>Spacefast. <01:30:34.630>There's <01:30:35.090>no <01:30:35.270>time. <01:30:35.950>That <01:30:36.250>could <01:30:36.450>be <01:30:36.590>a <01:30:36.710>whole <01:30:36.890>episode, <01:30:37.470>Elliot. <01:30:37.830>Come <01:30:38.010>on <01:30:38.150>and <01:30:38.250>we'll <01:30:38.430>talk <01:30:38.650>about <01:30:38.870>Spacefast <01:30:40.390>at <01:30:40.610>some <01:30:40.790>point. <01:30:41.190>That <01:30:41.330>would <01:30:41.430>be <01:30:41.530>lovely. <01:30:41.770>So <01:30:42.730>thank <01:30:43.010>you <01:30:43.230>to <01:30:43.370>you, <01:30:43.830>the <01:30:43.890>commenters. <01:30:44.470>But <01:30:44.530>also, <01:30:45.110>obviously, <01:30:45.690>thank <01:30:45.810>you <01:30:45.990>to <01:30:46.190>Rhys. <01:30:47.070>Thank <01:30:47.610>you <01:30:47.830>to <01:30:48.270>Raquel. <01:30:49.375>And <01:30:49.775>thank <01:30:49.955>you <01:30:50.155>to <01:30:50.395>Steve. <01:30:51.135>Thanks <01:30:51.315>for <01:30:51.475>being <01:30:51.635>on <01:30:51.795>the <01:30:51.915>show. <01:30:52.315>I really <01:30:52.555>appreciate <01:30:53.035>it. <01:30:53.355>Please <01:30:53.495>come <01:30:53.675>on <01:30:53.795>again. <01:30:54.135>And <01:30:54.495>good <01:30:54.735>luck <01:30:55.015>in <01:30:56.055>the <01:30:56.235>first <01:30:56.495>case <01:30:56.855>with <01:30:57.455>PressConf. <01:30:58.815>Raquel, <01:30:59.135>I hope <01:30:59.295>that <01:30:59.455>goes <01:30:59.735>well. 295 01:31:00.215 --> 01:31:26.195 Thank <01:31:00.435>you. <01:31:01.115>Try <01:31:01.435>to <01:31:01.615>make <01:31:01.815>it <01:31:01.995>to <01:31:02.135>the <01:31:03.095>event <01:31:03.295>in <01:31:03.455>Manchester. <01:31:03.775>That <01:31:04.095>would <01:31:04.215>be <01:31:04.375>really <01:31:04.635>nice. <01:31:04.935>But <01:31:05.195>we <01:31:05.635>will <01:31:05.795>see <01:31:06.035>you <01:31:06.355>next <01:31:07.235>time <01:31:07.495>on <01:31:07.955>This <01:31:08.175>Week <01:31:08.355>in <01:31:08.475>WordPress. <01:31:09.195>Cheers. <01:31:09.715>And <01:31:09.775>if <01:31:10.075>you <01:31:10.175>three <01:31:10.355>want <01:31:10.515>to <01:31:10.575>stick <01:31:10.755>around <01:31:10.915>to <01:31:11.055>have <01:31:11.135>a <01:31:11.235>little <01:31:11.375>bit <01:31:11.495>of <01:31:11.595>a <01:31:11.675>nap, <01:31:11.975>that <01:31:12.455>would <01:31:12.615>be <01:31:12.715>nice. <01:31:13.055>What's <01:31:13.275>that? <01:31:13.635>Oh, <01:31:13.895>hands. <01:31:14.395>Hands. <01:31:14.755>We've <01:31:14.975>got <01:31:14.995>to <01:31:15.075>do <01:31:15.155>the <01:31:15.255>hands. <01:31:15.715>Thank <01:31:15.915>you. <01:31:16.115>Can <01:31:16.575>we <01:31:16.695>all <01:31:16.895>show <01:31:17.175>our <01:31:17.335>hands? <01:31:17.755>Thank <01:31:17.835>you. <01:31:18.395>God <01:31:18.595>damn <01:31:18.955>it. <01:31:19.255>I'm <01:31:19.355>so <01:31:19.655>hopeless. <01:31:21.535>Managing <01:31:21.935>this <01:31:22.195>show. <01:31:22.755>My <01:31:22.835>head <01:31:23.015>is <01:31:23.195>full <01:31:23.355>up. <01:31:24.055>Thank <01:31:24.195>you <01:31:24.395>so <01:31:24.615>much. <01:31:25.115>We're <01:31:25.355>hands. 296 01:31:28.755 --> 01:31:34.795 Just <01:31:29.155>say <01:31:29.395>hands <01:31:29.735>a <01:31:29.895>lot <01:31:29.995>of <01:31:30.075>time <01:31:30.315>and <01:31:30.455>I'll <01:31:30.675>understand. <01:31:31.795>Right. <01:31:32.075>We'll <01:31:32.215>be <01:31:32.315>back. <01:31:32.695>See <01:31:32.795>you <01:31:32.895>later. <01:31:33.315>See <01:31:33.375>you <01:31:33.455>next <01:31:33.595>week. <01:31:33.895>Bye <01:31:33.995>bye. <01:31:34.275>Bye <01:31:34.355>bye. <01:31:34.615>Bye <01:31:34.695>bye. 297 01:31:48.555 --> 01:31:48.955 Oh.