Less agro, more conversation.
Is it even possible to have a deep discussion without it descending into chaos? Michael Jensen and Megan Powell du Toit think yes, and want to show the rest of us how to do it.
There’s plenty of things they disagree on: free will, feminism, where you should send your kids to school and what type of church you should go to. But there are also plenty of other things that they have in common. They want to talk about all these things with conviction. But they also want the conversation to be constructive. Tune in to find out if that’s possible.
United States
13 episodes
since Sept. 25, 2018


Notes from Episode 12: Is it a sin to talk about sin? For arguments sake: where we take a debate, cut out the party politics and try to talk it outMegan and Michael dig into the giant topic that is: SIN. What is it? And what effect does it have on human beings? Christians have plenty of hang ups about using the word 'sin'. Megan says in some Christian tribes, it's not a popular word at all. Yet despite the wariness around the word, Megan says she likes it. "I find the word 'sin' is one where my evangelicalism and my feminism intersects." Tune in to find out how these "strange bedfellows" (as Michael puts it) come together. Meanwhile, the duo discuss the differences between individual and social/systemic sin and the traps in talking about one more than the other, looking specifically at #MeToo as an example.When the discussion inevitably gets to 'Agency' and 'Liberty', Megan and Michael address one of their key differences. Michael is a Calvinist, Megan calls herself "a particular kind of Arminian" (don't worry - they give a quick crash course on those terms!) And so ... bring on the arguments about free will.Mentioned in this segment: Not The Way It's Supposed to Be by Cornelius Platinga (Jr) Valerie Saiving “The Human Situation: A Feminine View.” Q&A: You ask us questions, and we answer without the spin. Megan and Michael pick two questions to tackle: Are some sins worse than others? Does intent make a difference? Marg and Dave: Reviews from two people obsessed by stories. But not always the same ones.Michael and Megan take a look at Kendrick Lamar's Pulitzer-winning album, Damn, though both say it's not what they would have chosen to listen to personally. However, Lamar is open about his own faith and the album has many references to sin, pride, lust and also humility and love. Looking specifically at the song Fear, Megan and Michael discuss what a 'fear of God' means and why Lamar chose to emphasise the fear over the love of God. 
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