Full Transcript for Does price matter when buying rosé wine? We're blown away putting it to the test.

00:03:26.943 Is any, is anything international? 00:03:27.343 --> 00:03:29.784 They're all Australian. 00:03:29.793 --> 00:03:30.034 Good. 00:03:30.034 --> 00:03:30.289 Okay. 00:03:30.289 --> 00:03:33.241 So we have no export course, so it's costs, so it's actually pretty comparable. 00:03:33.241 --> 00:03:38.717 No, I, I didn't, well,'cause that, that Mirror Vale- Yeah you're paying for the branding. 00:03:38.728 --> 00:03:39.414 Yes. 00:03:39.455 --> 00:03:39.722 Yes. 00:03:39.730 --> 00:03:41.108 Kylie's 60,$36. 00:03:41.134 --> 00:03:41.439 Yeah. 00:03:41.504 --> 00:03:42.608 You're paying for the branding. 00:03:42.608 --> 00:03:42.724 Yeah. 00:03:42.724 --> 00:03:42.734 No. 00:03:42.984 --> 00:03:44.284 These are all- So you didn't include that. 00:03:44.762 --> 00:03:46.954 Awesome generic wines, all from Dan Murphy's. 00:03:47.478 --> 00:03:49.206 Can we- I think I got the pricing right. 00:03:49.239 --> 00:03:49.508 Did I? 00:03:49.518 --> 00:03:51.826 Six, 15- Five. 00:03:51.826 --> 00:03:51.837 Five. 00:03:51.872 --> 00:03:52.830 There's a$5 one. 00:03:52.837 --> 00:03:54.540 Say, so say the, again, five. 00:03:54.545 --> 00:03:56.673 5, 15, 20, 30. 00:03:57.368 --> 00:03:57.563 Yep. 00:03:57.623 --> 00:03:57.913 Yep. 00:03:57.918 --> 00:03:58.649 5, 15, 20, 30. 00:03:58.649 --> 00:04:05.350 And again, n- none of them have They are from different regions,'cause I didn't have a lot of choice in the$5 area. 00:04:05.352 --> 00:04:06.177 There was one wine. 00:04:06.695 --> 00:04:09.478 Um, but I just wanted to see, can we pick a difference in quality? 00:04:09.480 --> 00:04:09.742 Yeah. 00:04:09.742 --> 00:04:11.043 Like, what i- what is the price difference? 00:04:11.076 --> 00:04:24.656 Out of interest, if you were buying a rosé and there were four rosés and they were your price, they were the prices, and you knew nothing else about these brands, which priced one would you buy? 00:04:24.677 --> 00:04:24.956 15. 00:04:25.002 --> 00:04:25.423 20. 00:04:26.723 --> 00:04:27.187 15. 00:04:27.509 --> 00:04:29.634 I think I'd buy 15 too, only'cause it's rosé. 00:04:30.141 --> 00:04:31.213 That, that's my thinking. 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:31.655 Yeah. 00:04:31.670 --> 00:04:33.554 Because then I don't have any disappointment. 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:34.264 Yeah. 00:04:34.276 --> 00:04:37.877 'Cause disappointment is just failed expectations, so I have no expectation of it. 00:04:37.985 --> 00:04:38.237 Yeah. 00:04:38.245 --> 00:04:39.591 So f- 15 to 20. 00:04:39.992 --> 00:04:51.439 But I, I said to Amanda last night, um, our Cellar Door manager, I said,"Who spends$30 on a rosé?" And she said,"Our rosé costs$30." And now you've said that on the pod. 00:04:51.975 --> 00:04:52.264 Okay. 00:04:52.304 --> 00:04:56.853 Well, to be fair, it is Yarra Valley fruit, so it's expensive And to be fair, people who like rosé do like rosé. 00:04:56.853 --> 00:04:57.072 Yeah. 00:04:57.233 --> 00:05:06.012 And okay, so, um, we, early predictions are that then they're not gonna d- I, my early prediction is that, right, we're not gonna be able to tell these apart. 00:05:06.012 --> 00:05:09.730 So what we need to do is rank from cheapest to most expensive. 00:05:09.762 --> 00:05:11.528 That's our- All right job. 00:05:11.718 --> 00:05:12.016 Let's go. 00:05:12.016 --> 00:05:12.718 Left to right, one, one. 00:05:12.922 --> 00:05:14.670 So the first one we've got is very pink. 00:05:14.673 --> 00:05:15.014 It is pink. 00:05:15.014 --> 00:05:17.012 Oh, and they're all 2025, so that's the other thing. 00:05:17.012 --> 00:05:18.944 I made sure they were all the same vintage. 00:05:19.314 --> 00:05:22.355 So very pink, and you can see there's a little bit dissolved carbon dioxide in it. 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:36.689 Yeah, I, um, I did, um, a, um, a color analysis once of all the rosés on the market, and salmon was like 90% of the rosés and- Yeah they performed so much better. 00:05:36.723 --> 00:05:42.090 So I'm interested, and that was like six years ago, I'm interested to see that there's still pink rosé in existence. 00:05:42.125 --> 00:05:46.059 Yeah, but it's a very pale pink, and it's almost- Mm like a copper pink. 00:05:46.137 --> 00:05:46.507 Mm-hmm. 00:05:47.749 --> 00:05:49.737 Oh, look at my lipstick all over the glasses. 00:05:49.737 --> 00:05:50.696 That's pretty awful. 00:05:50.749 --> 00:05:54.456 Anyway, um, that's fresh, fruity, raspberry. 00:05:56.012 --> 00:05:56.723 I don't like it at all. 00:05:56.735 --> 00:05:57.571 Little bit bitter. 00:05:58.526 --> 00:05:59.336 It is bitter. 00:06:03.937 --> 00:06:04.235 Do you know what? 00:06:04.250 --> 00:06:08.199 It tastes like it's, um, it tastes like the bottle's been open for too long. 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:13.156 It's quite simple- Mm and short, and maybe we should have refrigerated them, but- Tastes grapey. 00:06:13.620 --> 00:06:14.006 Grapey. 00:06:14.006 --> 00:06:15.341 Well, it is made from fucking grapes. 00:06:15.492 --> 00:06:16.584 Oh, you know what I mean. 00:06:16.584 --> 00:06:20.091 Do you know what, this is a wine podcast. 00:06:20.091 --> 00:06:20.151 You know that's a real thing. 00:06:20.151 --> 00:06:21.677 You know it's a real thing to taste like grapes even though it's made from grapes. 00:06:21.804 --> 00:06:23.305 This is a wine podcast, Mel. 00:06:23.533 --> 00:06:24.360 That's the cheap one. 00:06:24.550 --> 00:06:25.206 All right, let's go. 00:06:25.247 --> 00:06:25.905 Oh, okay. 00:06:26.076 --> 00:06:26.545 Yeah That's the cheap one. 00:06:26.545 --> 00:06:27.204 She's already called it. 00:06:27.437 --> 00:06:30.449 Next one is much more salmon, so orange salmon. 00:06:30.449 --> 00:06:32.533 Well, it's got a nice nose. 00:06:34.858 --> 00:06:37.208 Mm, that's more confected fruit for me. 00:06:37.220 --> 00:06:40.906 It's like confected raspberry lollies, strawberries and cream lollies. 00:06:41.355 --> 00:06:46.487 It's like, um, like a candied orange peel, if that's a thing. 00:06:46.699 --> 00:06:59.399 Well,

I've been using- Watermelon orange zest when you sort of, the, just zest an orange or s- rather than actual orange juice for rosé as a descriptor lately. 00:06:59.507 --> 00:07:01.425 It's almost mineral. 00:07:03.923 --> 00:07:05.548 I can smell like a wet stone Mm. 00:07:06.935 --> 00:07:07.191 Mm. 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:16.869 Much better structurally, no bitterness, straight lined, but linearity, and it has got a wet stone character to it. 00:07:16.881 --> 00:07:19.554 That is pretty good rosé Yeah, I'd drink that. 00:07:19.834 --> 00:07:20.125 Yep. 00:07:20.526 --> 00:07:21.500 Ah, it's actually pretty nice. 00:07:22.526 --> 00:07:23.187 Okay. 00:07:23.187 --> 00:07:27.244 Um, so wine- Number three three. 00:07:27.965 --> 00:07:32.687 This is what some people would call pigeon eye. 00:07:33.103 --> 00:07:33.882 Ah, yes. 00:07:34.372 --> 00:07:38.225 So what pigeon eye is- Everyone would call it that it's, it's, uh, it's a strange term, isn't it? 00:07:38.225 --> 00:07:38.435 It is. 00:07:38.435 --> 00:07:40.742 It's pink, but if you look at it, there's a gray edge to it. 00:07:40.781 --> 00:07:41.477 Oh my God. 00:07:41.557 --> 00:07:43.401 So you have a look at the, on the edge of the glass. 00:07:43.437 --> 00:07:43.836 Yeah. 00:07:43.913 --> 00:07:45.660 There's a bit of a grayness. 00:07:47.536 --> 00:07:48.518 Boston's face. 00:07:50.093 --> 00:07:51.631 Put it against a white background. 00:07:52.204 --> 00:07:54.899 It, it just smells very watery or something. 00:07:54.899 --> 00:07:56.160 It hasn't got much to it. 00:07:56.663 --> 00:08:01.670 And this is more, this is sort of halfway between, this is like a, a baby pink, almost like a blush. 00:08:03.105 --> 00:08:09.468 It smells like, um, like a really watered down ras- like if you have a glass of water and you put a single raspberry in it, that's what it smells like. 00:08:11.497 --> 00:08:12.764 Like a fresh raspberry. 00:08:12.778 --> 00:08:13.081 Yep. 00:08:13.670 --> 00:08:22.209 I've gotta be honest, I'm struggling to get much out of that at all It smells, as we would say, vinous. 00:08:22.977 --> 00:08:24.317 Posh word for it smells like wine. 00:08:26.136 --> 00:08:30.418 Tastes like it too Mm. 00:08:32.423 --> 00:08:37.603 Okay, so far I feel like we're learning that price matters if in fact that one that we liked is the expensive one. 00:08:38.667 --> 00:08:42.138 Well, I'm sorry, there's a s-$5 one then there's a$15 one. 00:08:42.138 --> 00:08:43.874 That's the jump, that's a$10 difference. 00:08:43.875 --> 00:08:46.397 That's quite a big jump in price. 00:08:47.123 --> 00:08:50.113 Do you think- If you, if w- you know. 00:08:50.662 --> 00:08:54.533 To be fair, the$15 one came down to$15. 00:08:57.501 --> 00:09:01.076 Oh yeah, so we should go with the original price Oh, I should, I should have taken ones that didn't have a discount. 00:09:01.230 --> 00:09:03.759 Yeah See, sometimes you don't know- Yeah'cause they've got the member offer. 00:09:03.842 --> 00:09:06.176 It's one or the other. 00:09:06.176 --> 00:09:06.186 Ah. 00:09:06.186 --> 00:09:09.956 This one is, um- And then the last one is very, very pale baby pink. 00:09:10.392 --> 00:09:13.110 Again- Car- carbonic or Grenache. 00:09:14.110 --> 00:09:15.380 It's so berry. 00:09:15.383 --> 00:09:18.342 It's like, um- Macerated strawberries. 00:09:18.395 --> 00:09:19.623 eaten meats it smells like. 00:09:19.966 --> 00:09:34.903 Yeah Oh, like, um, those cooked berries when you make it into, like, that strap jelly It's interesting, the two, the two ones, there's two that are very confected fruit characters, which is the second wine. 00:09:35.370 --> 00:09:35.576 Yeah. 00:09:35.576 --> 00:09:36.092 Mm. 00:09:36.096 --> 00:09:38.298 And then the last wine is very confected. 00:09:38.548 --> 00:09:42.110 But both of those have a wet stone minerality, I think- Yeah about them. 00:09:42.308 --> 00:09:42.504 Yeah. 00:09:42.508 --> 00:09:45.572 But they also have, the last one has what I call a sweet spot. 00:09:45.634 --> 00:09:45.918 Yeah. 00:09:46.086 --> 00:09:49.084 Where, so it feels almost sweet in your mouth. 00:09:49.640 --> 00:09:52.101 Um- I think there's a little bit of bitterness on the finish, though. 00:09:52.475 --> 00:09:55.793 Well- It does feel sweet in your mouth, but on the finish there's something bitter. 00:09:56.547 --> 00:10:00.631 Mind you, my tasting, I, I get more sensitive to bitterness when I'm pregnant. 00:10:01.508 --> 00:10:01.826 Hmm. 00:10:02.476 --> 00:10:02.873 Hmm. 00:10:05.312 --> 00:10:05.738 All right. 00:10:06.621 --> 00:10:08.234 Uh, so we calling it? 00:10:08.249 --> 00:10:11.937 We- Do you see a distinct quality difference between Look at mine. 00:10:11.969 --> 00:10:12.663 Austin's face. 00:10:12.663 --> 00:10:13.615 So much. 00:10:14.488 --> 00:10:18.464 Uh, there is one here that I would drink and there are three here that I don't. 00:10:18.931 --> 00:10:20.729 No, I would drink the last three. 00:10:20.730 --> 00:10:21.850 I wouldn't drink the first one. 00:10:22.644 --> 00:10:24.361 Um- Just have a look at the third one. 00:10:24.366 --> 00:10:25.870 Has the third one got a bit of sugar in it? 00:10:28.811 --> 00:10:30.786 Oh, I can smell it now that you said that. 00:10:32.484 --> 00:10:33.739 It does smell really candied. 00:10:33.746 --> 00:10:35.947 It smells like, um- You can't smell sugar, darling, sorry. 00:10:36.423 --> 00:10:37.147 No, but it smelled... 00:10:37.157 --> 00:10:37.698 No, a bit... 00:10:37.719 --> 00:10:38.481 When you- Confected. 00:10:38.533 --> 00:10:39.244 Con- confected. 00:10:39.245 --> 00:10:52.553 It smells like a confected, um- It doesn't actually have some sugar in it Okay, okay The third one Hold it in your mouth. 00:10:52.567 --> 00:10:53.501 I f- I don't know I don't know. 00:10:54.123 --> 00:10:57.365 I don't, I, I probably wouldn't have said so, to be honest, actually. 00:10:58.792 --> 00:10:59.229 Mm-hmm. 00:11:01.154 --> 00:11:03.244 Don't you have to stick the very tip of

your tongue in to test that? 00:11:06.663 --> 00:11:06.962 Mm. 00:11:07.456 --> 00:11:08.541 I don't think there is. 00:11:08.846 --> 00:11:09.965 I'm gonna- Can we look it up? 00:11:11.273 --> 00:11:12.012 Oh, Jesus. 00:11:12.054 --> 00:11:12.466 Okay. 00:11:15.044 --> 00:11:16.033 Go back to that first one. 00:11:16.034 --> 00:11:17.376 It's quite hot as well. 00:11:18.522 --> 00:11:20.561 So when you say hot, do you mean alcoholic? 00:11:20.576 --> 00:11:21.087 Alcohol. 00:11:21.105 --> 00:11:30.336 So often for quality level, what you'll find is, um, we base quality on that, the old balance, length, intensity, complexity. 00:11:30.628 --> 00:11:39.937 So if you look at this wine in, with that BLIC forum, it's not balanced because it's got the alcohol sitting on top of it and it's a little bit bitter. 00:11:40.110 --> 00:11:47.022 BLIC is what we use to determine in WSET- How to determine quality yeah, we, we need to try and do it objectively. 00:11:47.024 --> 00:11:54.292 So we have a saying, it's an acronym, BLIC, balance, length, intensity, complexity. 00:11:54.452 --> 00:11:54.720 Yep. 00:11:55.275 --> 00:11:58.447 So if we look at that first wine, there's a couple of descriptors. 00:11:58.455 --> 00:12:02.264 It's not particularly, um, complex. 00:12:02.655 --> 00:12:05.152 It's the alcohol's a little bit proud and it's a little bit bitter. 00:12:05.264 --> 00:12:05.293 Mm. 00:12:05.306 --> 00:12:06.573 So my... 00:12:06.624 --> 00:12:08.480 I'm gonna say that that's the cheapest wine. 00:12:08.493 --> 00:12:11.090 Hell yeah, that's, that's$5, I hope. 00:12:11.400 --> 00:12:22.626 Then wine number three- Yeah is quite confected and commercial and I suspect a little bit of sugar. 00:12:22.654 --> 00:12:23.298 I don't know. 00:12:23.341 --> 00:12:25.767 So I'm gonna say that's the$15 bottle of wine. 00:12:26.058 --> 00:12:26.591 Agree. 00:12:27.051 --> 00:12:32.937 And then number four would be the next one, 20, and then number two is 30. 00:12:33.349 --> 00:12:33.928 Yes? 00:12:34.313 --> 00:12:36.039 Well, let me just have a look at these two. 00:12:38.250 --> 00:12:42.355 Two and four are legitimate nice styles that are objectively nice. 00:12:42.359 --> 00:12:45.764 I think it just depends on what your, uh, like flavor preference is. 00:12:45.764 --> 00:12:59.224 Whereas four is more of like a fruit forward candied vibe, whereas two- Mm-hmm feels a bit more like savory mineral type thing Yeah, I'm, I, yeah, I'm with you. 00:12:59.234 --> 00:13:10.933 So number one is our$6 wine, number two is our$30 wine, number three is our$15 wine- Mm-hmm and number four is our$20 wine. 00:13:10.984 --> 00:13:12.029 Are we even close? 00:13:18.998 --> 00:13:20.034 Knew I'd get on, Mike. 00:13:21.052 --> 00:13:45.985 Number one, who we have all put as our$5 wine- Yep is your$30 wine I'm almost tempted not to link it in the show notes when we went to the Australian Open with Jacob's Creek this year, they had, um, rosé, and they were serving it at the tennis with ice in it, and like that's how it came served. 00:13:46.022 --> 00:13:47.957 We- you didn't ask for ice, it came served with ice. 00:13:49.327 --> 00:13:58.652 20 wine media sitting there, and everyone gets given rosé with ice, and we're all looking at each other like,"Are they serious?" And we were all like,"This rules." It was a hot day, we're watching tennis. 00:13:58.653 --> 00:13:59.847 We know why Got a bit watery. 00:13:59.947 --> 00:14:04.294 It, it was the best thing ever for the moment I did, on holiday I did th- that. 00:14:04.302 --> 00:14:07.614 It was just like it wasn't cold enough, and I just put some ice in it. 00:14:07.644 --> 00:14:07.741 Mm. 00:14:07.741 --> 00:14:09.096 It does dilute it, that's the thing. 00:14:09.096 --> 00:14:17.163 You have to drink it really, really quickly, which I don't, would never advocate, although it is rosé, just gonna down it But then, but if it gets watered down so it's less alcoholic, can you drink it faster? 00:14:17.375 --> 00:14:18.033 Does that, eh? 00:14:18.033 --> 00:14:24.157 Yeah, hydration You're still having the same amount of alcohol Hydration, yeah, but, Austin, hydration Yes, on a hot day. 00:14:24.311 --> 00:14:28.691 Yeah When, when you were in Spain, were you doing a lot of the red wine and lemonade for breakfast? 00:14:29.378 --> 00:14:37.836 So tinto de verano- Mm uh, Solo and red wine, and I am all fucking over it. 00:14:37.836 --> 00:14:39.835 Yep It is fantastic. 00:14:40.076 --> 00:14:43.938 Oh, in a good way, okay Solo So it's Solo in the bottom of the glass. 00:14:43.943 --> 00:14:49.500 Yeah Um, and then red wine, so it's I've actually got a photo of it. 00:14:49.500 --> 00:15:01.264 It actually sits and sort of merges, and we'd seen it, and I'd have, I'd had, um- you know, Coke and- Mm red wine, but I hadn't actually had this,'cause I'm, I'm not a big drinker of soft drink. 00:15:01.664 --> 00:15:01.868 Mm. 00:15:01.868 --> 00:15:04.683 And e- every, all the women were ordering it, and I said to Pete, I fucking want one of those. 00:15:04.683 --> 00:15:09.341 So I said,"What is that?" And they said,"Oh, tinto de verano." I went,"Okay." It is fabulous. 00:15:09.342 --> 00:15:23.894 It's- It's in a tall glass I think it's, it's worth pointing out though, right, that i- in Spain they're using Tempranillo, which is like a, a quite a medium bodied light type wine, whereas in Australia, don't try this with Shiraz, yeah? 00:15:24.467 --> 00:15:30.201 We're gonna do it, we're g- we're trying it with Shiraz and Cabernet to see what works best. 00:15:30.745 --> 00:15:34.351 Um, because if you can sell Cabernet with solo, go for it. 00:15:34.470 --> 00:15:39.047 It would have to be one of those light, crunchy styles surely, not, you wouldn't want a big rich wine. 00:15:39.051 --> 00:15:41.086 Honestly, you don't notice the wine. 00:15:41.092 --> 00:15:46.246 And the other thing, you know, in Spain you go to a bar and y- they say vino blanco. 00:15:46.597 --> 00:15:47.349 Do you have ice in it? 00:15:47.349 --> 00:15:48.349 And you don't even know what you, you're getting. 00:15:48.371 --> 00:15:49.279 Do you have ice in it? 00:15:50.034 --> 00:15:50.984 Yep, it's got ice in it. 00:15:50.994 --> 00:15:51.363 Yeah, okay. 00:15:51.363 --> 00:15:55.464 And it's in a tall glass, and it's got a straw, and it is Nice it is so good. 00:15:55.506 --> 00:15:56.443 Yeah, okay, cool. 00:15:56.453 --> 00:16:01.960 Tinto de verano, it means, uh, red of- We might, um- summer have to do an episode with you teaching how to make it. 00:16:02.374 --> 00:16:08.817 That'd be a nice- Yeah, and um- Not an episode, um, cl- Calimocho a reel which is Coke and- All right Coke and red wine. 00:16:08.942 --> 00:16:10.245 All right, we're going over time. 00:16:10.306 --> 00:16:11.836 Um, this was fun. 00:16:11.875 --> 00:16:12.976 Over time on rosé, who knew? 00:16:12.983 --> 00:16:15.682 We are Next week we're doing Fiano. 00:16:16.304 --> 00:16:19.106 Um- What was, what, what did you say to me this morning? 00:16:19.108 --> 00:16:21.126 Fiano is everywhere or what? 00:16:21.126 --> 00:16:24.883 I was just having, we, we were talking about- Fiano's having a moment, that's what you said it was- Fiano's having a moment. 00:16:24.897 --> 00:16:32.424 It is the 16th of October I think was the date was International Fiano Day, and all over my Instagram feed was just Fiano, Fiano, Fiano. 00:16:32.860 --> 00:16:46.576 And I think the people at, um, Oliver's Baranga had said to us,"We need to convert Meg into Fiano," and I did actually have a Fiano moment, um, about two months ago, and I'll talk about it. 00:16:46.788 --> 00:16:47.227 All right. 00:16:47.283 --> 00:16:47.828 All right, okay. 00:16:47.845 --> 00:16:50.629 So we are going to be back with you next week with Fiano. 00:16:50.658 --> 00:16:51.981 Until then, enjoy your next glass of wine. 00:16:51.983 --> 00:16:52.789 And drink well.