Full Transcript for #112 The Science of Hydration: How Water and Minerals Impact Your Performance

A 00:07:08 Yeah. Speaker B 00:07:09 You know, where everyone's just like going around on those electric. Speaker A 00:07:12 I mean, we haven't got to do anything anymore. Speaker A 00:07:15 We are just becoming lazy humans. Speaker B 00:07:17 Are you seeing that? Speaker B 00:07:19 So how long have you been kind of practicing seeing patients? Speaker A 00:07:22 17 years or so, give or take, in many different capacities. Speaker A 00:07:25 So obviously, I've grown as my practice has grown, as more I've learned. Speaker B 00:07:29 So have you seen a decline in physical integrity over time? Speaker A 00:07:36 A physical, but especially mental? Speaker A 00:07:40 We don't need to think as much as we used to. Speaker A 00:07:42 We haven't got to be on our toes as much. Speaker A 00:07:44 We haven't got to be as alert for things. Speaker A 00:07:47 And the more technology does things for us. Speaker A 00:07:49 We've got fridges now that order our food when we run out of milk. Speaker A 00:07:53 We've got slow cookers and things which, when the temperature is correct, it turns the food off. Speaker A 00:07:59 We've got things that hoover the floor for us in our sleep. Speaker B 00:08:02 But do you. Speaker B 00:08:03 Do you think that that frees us up to think about more important stuff, or do you think it just literally makes us lazy? Speaker B 00:08:11 You're just like, oh, I don't even have to care about. Speaker A 00:08:13 I think it could free up people like us to go to jits or to do some coursework, but they might free other people up to go and watch home away. Speaker B 00:08:20 Yeah. Speaker B 00:08:20 Is that still on? Speaker A 00:08:21 I think so. Speaker B 00:08:23 Man, that. Speaker B 00:08:24 That dates you. Speaker B 00:08:26 How old are you? Speaker A 00:08:26 40. Speaker B 00:08:27 Yeah. Speaker B 00:08:27 That dates you because half the people listening to this, like, what's home and away? Speaker A 00:08:31 Home and away. Speaker A 00:08:32 Or. Speaker A 00:08:32 Okay, even, like, movies. Speaker B 00:08:33 You know, some. Speaker B 00:08:34 I have some younger people on, and I. Speaker B 00:08:37 And I reference, like, a big movie. Speaker B 00:08:40 They're like, never heard of it. Speaker A 00:08:41 Yeah, I've started noticing I'm old when I sort of mentioned old bands or old songs. Speaker A 00:08:49 And, like, my partner made me. Speaker A 00:08:51 What? Speaker A 00:08:52 Made us a. Speaker A 00:08:53 What do you call it? Speaker A 00:08:54 A meatloaf with, like, a boiled egg going through it the other day and so many comments on my face. Speaker A 00:08:59 Oh, she's so clever for inventing that. Speaker A 00:09:01 How would you think of that? Speaker A 00:09:02 And we're like, damn, we're old. Speaker A 00:09:04 That's just an old school. Speaker B 00:09:05 Proper old school. Speaker A 00:09:06 That's a. Speaker A 00:09:07 You know, that's. Speaker B 00:09:08 That. Speaker B 00:09:09 Used to have that before you had the baked Alaska. Speaker B 00:09:11 Yeah, baked Alaska for pudding. Speaker A 00:09:13 Half of my Facebook, half my Instagram thought that she invented it. Speaker A 00:09:16 I mean, I said to her, just take it. Speaker A 00:09:17 Just say, yeah, I'm clever. Speaker A 00:09:19 But that just shows how old we are now. Speaker A 00:09:20 The same age as old people. Speaker B 00:09:22 Yeah, I had. Speaker B 00:09:22 I had the. Speaker B 00:09:23 Had a guy on the podcast the other day who he's actually getting into, like, pro wrestling. Speaker B 00:09:29 Max Moody is his wrestling. Speaker A 00:09:31 Cool name. Speaker B 00:09:32 Yeah, he's harrison his name. Speaker B 00:09:33 He's gone traveling. Speaker B 00:09:35 But he asked me a couple of. Speaker B 00:09:37 Couple of things, and he was like, I've always wondered for your generation what this was like. Speaker B 00:09:42 And I was like, fuck, man. Speaker B 00:09:44 That's like, you know, I've had the other conversations where it's been slightly. Speaker B 00:09:49 We've got different cultural references, but no one who's actually out and out said to me, like, oh, I've always wondered if old people like what it used to be like. Speaker B 00:10:00 Like, damn, man, it's like a watermark. Speaker A 00:10:02 Yeah, exactly. Speaker A 00:10:03 I still think I'm young. Speaker A 00:10:05 I mean, I don't think I'm. Speaker B 00:10:06 So tell me this, do you? Speaker B 00:10:09 One of my. Speaker B 00:10:10 One of my theses on jiu jitsu is that it's one of the probably most powerful things you can do to keep yourself young, because you're hanging around with a lot of youngsters. Speaker B 00:10:25 There'll always be a lot of young people on the mat. Speaker B 00:10:27 It's kind of a young person's pursuit. Speaker B 00:10:30 It's. Speaker B 00:10:31 It's very kinetic and active and crazy. Speaker B 00:10:35 You're rolling around on the floor, which is what kids do. Speaker A 00:10:38 Primal. Speaker B 00:10:38 Yeah, primal. Speaker B 00:10:39 Yeah. Speaker B 00:10:39 That would be the correct terminology. Speaker B 00:10:42 And you're kind of. Speaker B 00:10:43 So you're. Speaker B 00:10:44 You're. Speaker B 00:10:44 You're sending a message to your neurology and your physiology to say, I want to still do kids stuff. Speaker B 00:10:52 You're hanging out with kids, and if you are into, like, the secret and manifesting and stuff, you're telling the universe, like, I still want to be doing, like, kids things. Speaker A 00:11:02 Yeah. Speaker A 00:11:03 I think Jiu jitsu is one of the best overall things you can do for your health, physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. Speaker A 00:11:11 Like you say, it's got all the primal movement patterns that kids do got tummy time, which. Speaker A 00:11:16 The most primal thing we can do. Speaker A 00:11:18 It's got the movement patterns. Speaker A 00:11:20 You have to

think quick. Speaker A 00:11:21 You have to be strong, still be resilient, and you're keeping your brain active. Speaker A 00:11:28 So, yeah, it's a great thing. Speaker A 00:11:30 I think everyone should do it. Speaker B 00:11:31 Yeah. Speaker B 00:11:32 I mean, I can't say really enough good things about jiu jitsu. Speaker B 00:11:37 It is. Speaker B 00:11:40 It does push you and test you. Speaker B 00:11:42 I mean, I. Speaker B 00:11:43 You know, we've. Speaker B 00:11:44 There's been kind of this debate a few times on the podcast, maybe not even debate, but it's come up as a point of jujitsu is for everyone, or actually, jiu jitsu is for jiu jitsu people, but it's. Speaker B 00:11:56 It's not for everyone because some people go on a mat and just be like, this is awful. Speaker A 00:12:01 Yeah. Speaker A 00:12:01 Some people just hate losing or haven't got that aspect. Speaker A 00:12:04 Some people don't want to. Speaker A 00:12:06 There's different bits to it. Speaker B 00:12:07 People can't go for it that, like, the kind of the ego side of it. Speaker B 00:12:11 I mean, you have to. Speaker B 00:12:12 You have to just check your ego at the door. Speaker B 00:12:13 Right. Speaker B 00:12:14 Because it's gonna get crushed. Speaker A 00:12:15 I remember my very, very first day at gyps. Speaker A 00:12:18 It was in Mill Hill with Nick Brooks. Speaker A 00:12:20 We done? Speaker A 00:12:21 I don't know, an hour technique. Speaker A 00:12:22 And then it was rolling. Speaker A 00:12:23 I was surprised I was allowed to roll in my first class. Speaker A 00:12:25 I remember Shelley was there. Speaker A 00:12:27 Shelly was there watching. Speaker A 00:12:28 I had my little white belt on. Speaker A 00:12:30 I was against a skinny purple, but I don't know his name now. Speaker A 00:12:33 And at this point, I was a bit chunkier, you know, I was strong. Speaker B 00:12:36 Yeah. Speaker A 00:12:37 I tried to smash him and smash him and just looking at me like, what the fuck are you doing? Speaker B 00:12:41 Yeah, I just. Speaker A 00:12:43 He didn't attack. Speaker A 00:12:44 He, like, he saw that I knew nothing. Speaker A 00:12:47 And then I left that. Speaker A 00:12:48 Left that place. Speaker A 00:12:49 My arms were shaking. Speaker A 00:12:50 I was all numb. Speaker A 00:12:51 And Megatron was there. Speaker B 00:12:53 Yeah. Speaker A 00:12:53 And Abby. Speaker B 00:12:54 Yeah. Speaker A 00:12:54 Just breathe. Speaker A 00:12:55 Just breathing. Speaker A 00:12:55 I was like, arms and I was like. Speaker A 00:12:58 So I wasn't angry. Speaker A 00:12:59 I was just. Speaker B 00:13:00 Yeah. Speaker A 00:13:01 You know how it is when your arm is just gone. Speaker B 00:13:03 Yeah. Speaker B 00:13:04 You know, Friday night, actually. Speaker B 00:13:06 So Seymour Miyakatsu comes around to train with us and normally is me, him, and Gosha, my wife. Speaker B 00:13:13 And we do, like, you know what Nick used to do on a Friday? Speaker B 00:13:15 The three minutes. Speaker B 00:13:16 Yes, 3333. Speaker B 00:13:17 We just do that. Speaker B 00:13:18 But she had a cold, so she said, I'm not going to train. Speaker B 00:13:21 So me and Seymour just do ten minute rounds. Speaker A 00:13:23 I saw the post ten minute rounds with this old brown belt. Speaker B 00:13:26 He said, yeah, there it was like, I think we've done five rounds, and I think it was probably the fourth one. Speaker B 00:13:34 I got on his back, and I managed to stay there for probably, like, two, three minutes. Speaker A 00:13:39 Victory. Speaker B 00:13:40 But no, he got rid of me in the end, and he. Speaker B 00:13:42 Footlong. Speaker A 00:13:43 Just get in there. Speaker A 00:13:43 Victory. Speaker B 00:13:44 But the thing is, I can't remember. Speaker B 00:13:47 I had some kind of seatbelt and I was trying to get a better grip, and he was hand fighting and whatever. Speaker B 00:13:52 And my hand. Speaker B 00:13:53 And my forearm just got such a pump that I wanted to stop. Speaker B 00:13:58 It was so uncomfortable. Speaker B 00:14:00 I was just like, I just want to, like, tap to, like, throw my fucking arm just throbbing, like, you know, you're just like, well, I'm obviously going to get nothing with this arm now, so I might as well just let that one hang and I'll try and attack with the other hand. Speaker B 00:14:14 But, yeah, man, it really tests, like, everything, right? Speaker B 00:14:19 Everything you got, it will. Speaker B 00:14:20 It will push. Speaker A 00:14:21 It pushes you completely. Speaker A 00:14:22 But what I like about it, you kind of go back into the real world and things don't faze you as much. Speaker B 00:14:29 Yes. Speaker A 00:14:30 Someone's beaming you in the car and you're like, running, mate, I've just been checked out by a giant dude just. Speaker A 00:14:36 Just going front of me? Speaker B 00:14:37 Yeah. Speaker A 00:14:38 Or, you know, things at home happen. Speaker A 00:14:40 You're like, no, what? Speaker A 00:14:41 It's okay. Speaker B 00:14:43 Yeah, it definitely builds. Speaker B 00:14:44 Builds resilience, I think, you know, the only thing that I feel maybe which you would supplement for young men is maybe you just got a couple of, like, medium weight bags hanging up in the corner and they can just fucking lamp them on the way out or on the way in if they need to. Speaker A 00:15:08 Yeah. Speaker B 00:15:08 Because I remember, you know, when I was younger, and I used to do kung fu when I was younger, so from, like, 18 to 25 and man hitting pads to, like, get rid of aggression, that's. Speaker B 00:15:22 That's very therapeutic as well. Speaker A 00:15:24 Yeah. Speaker B 00:15:24 And I, and I just wonder whether maybe, you know, just. Speaker B 00:15:27 Just in case you got anyone there that's having a really shit time, they want to just go and hit pads or hit bag just for, like, a couple of minutes

on the warm up and then just get in and do that. Speaker A 00:15:37 There are a couple of guys that I think would benefit from doing that before class starts for our sake. Speaker B 00:15:43 John and Peter, I'm talking about you. Speaker A 00:15:47 I think we was talking about this with Chris Houter when he came over and he said, jiu jitsu nowadays has lost that having to defend. Speaker A 00:15:56 And the strikes. Speaker A 00:15:57 We're just wrapping legs around someone in garden. Speaker A 00:16:00 We're doing this, and he's like, you're gonna get punched. Speaker A 00:16:02 So I think his idea, his philosophy is to keep striking in jiu jitsu because that way your distance management is better. Speaker A 00:16:09 I think if some of our classes were like that, I think the anger and aggression would go in the younger guys as well. Speaker B 00:16:14 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker B 00:16:17 I remember seeing, I think it was from a seminar of his where he was just teaching close guard, but, like, and he. Speaker B 00:16:27 There was a little bit in there where he had his eyes closed, and he was saying, like, what I'm doing is just feeling, like, the hips and the guy's posture. Speaker B 00:16:34 And then he was saying, so you just try and kind of open hands, just try and hit me. Speaker B 00:16:39 And, you know, was able to kind of defend because he's saying, like, I'm always aware, even if it's pure jujitsu, like, if I allow the posture or if I allow the guy to move in this way, potentially there's a strike there. Speaker B 00:16:52 So I want to kind of just be mindful of that and avoid that just to make kind of a more practical jujitsu, because we do, you know, we spend a lot of time, I spend a lot of time in hazardous positions, like position, where if there was any kind of striking at all. Speaker B 00:17:12 It would be, you'd be completely, you'd be unconscious, right. Speaker B 00:17:15 You'd be hospitalized straight away. Speaker B 00:17:17 But you're like, no, it's fine. Speaker B 00:17:18 I can hang out with this grip. Speaker A 00:17:20 And, yeah, I can just hold. Speaker B 00:17:21 I don't play much, but something like deep half or whatever where you're literally like just sitting underneath someone, you're like, yeah, if they just start dropping elbows on your head, okay, you still might get the sweep, but with one eye socket. Speaker A 00:17:34 Exactly. Speaker A 00:17:35 And one ear left and a sweep in the street isn't two points. Speaker A 00:17:39 It isn't the same thing. Speaker A 00:17:41 We're very lucky where we are, obviously. Speaker A 00:17:43 I'm at CFS with David and Numa, so David's got his background in all of his jeep. Speaker A 00:17:48 Kendo is philippine and martial arts. Speaker A 00:17:50 We've got Jay Butler, ex mma. Speaker A 00:17:52 Then we've got Steve Payne. Speaker A 00:17:53 I think Steve's like a 7th or 8th degree karate sensei. Speaker A 00:17:58 He's got other know, Jeet

Kune do and Bob Breen stuff. Speaker A 00:18:02 So we're very lucky. Speaker A 00:18:03 We do have lots of striking classes and sometimes professors like go and get gloves on and we're like, oh, great, we're doing jiu jitsu, but with some strikes. Speaker A 00:18:12 Nice. Speaker A 00:18:13 Not as often as every class. Speaker A 00:18:16 It does happen and it does make a big difference. Speaker A 00:18:19 He can't just hang out in half guards or you can't just put someone in a triangle and just expect them to tap because they're going to rain down punches or slam you. Speaker B 00:18:27 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker B 00:18:29 It definitely, I mean, I think there's kind of sport jujitsu and there's self defense jujitsu and I think, you know, we do probably overestimate the effectiveness of sport jujitsu in a combat situation. Speaker A 00:18:46 Yeah, I think that's something I see a lot, especially with the Kids. Speaker A 00:18:49 And so my kids go, but in the Kids classes, why did Jiu Jitsu, I'll be fine. Speaker A 00:18:54 But have you been punched in the face before? Speaker A 00:18:56 Have you been kicked in the nuts? Speaker A 00:18:58 No. Speaker A 00:18:58 Have you had your hair literally pulled so hard that chunks come out? Speaker B 00:19:03 Yeah, yeah. Speaker B 00:19:04 You can't really train that, can you? Speaker A 00:19:06 No, I mean, Jiu Jitsu is a fantastic bass, but I think everyone needs striking with it. Speaker A 00:19:11 And I always say to, when people go on Facebook or what's best for my kids to do, I always say, gettingham's jiu jitsu and then one or two boxing a month, even one class or one or two kit boxing classes a month, just to. Speaker B 00:19:23 Yeah. Speaker A 00:19:23 Supplement. Speaker B 00:19:24 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker B 00:19:25 I think that's probably a good blend. Speaker B 00:19:26 I mean, if you. Speaker B 00:19:27 Again, if you look at, like, the MMA guys, obviously now, it's so evolved. Speaker B 00:19:34 There's just MMA gyms. Speaker B 00:19:36 They teach MMA, but, you know, if you go back ten years, maybe even five years, I mean, it was kind of like Muay Thai wrestling, jujitsu. Speaker B 00:19:44 Like, though, if you can cover those three bases, you can go in a cage and fight. Speaker B 00:19:49 You know, the holes in your game, I guess, would be chaining it together, like blending them together. Speaker B 00:19:55 And I think that's. Speaker B 00:19:55 That's where now the proper mma, sort of as an art in itself, blends them together. Speaker B 00:20:02 This is the. Speaker B 00:20:03 This is the shot with wrestling, but this is how it transitions into jiu jitsu. Speaker B 00:20:07 And this is where you would strike on the way and all of that. Speaker B 00:20:10 But, yeah, a little bit of striking with a. Speaker B 00:20:12 With a grappling kind of base is good. Speaker B 00:20:15 And I think, as well, you know, just. Speaker B 00:20:17 Just with. Speaker B 00:20:19 I think with regards to self defense, I think there's also. Speaker B 00:20:25 I think self defense for kids is kind of different to self defense for young men and that's different to self defense for women. Speaker A 00:20:34 Exactly. Speaker B 00:20:35 They actually have quite different requirements. Speaker B 00:20:38 I think for kids, a grappling base is probably not all you need, but I. Speaker B 00:20:45 I think that should be the default because you may be pretty good at your muay Thai, and then you elbow another 13 year old in the face in the playground and split their whole head open. Speaker B 00:20:56 It's not going to be good, right? Speaker A 00:20:57 No, no. Speaker B 00:20:58 Whereas if you can just kind of get, like, a soft single leg and put someone on their back and just knee on belly. Speaker A 00:21:05 Yeah. Speaker B 00:21:06 Wait for a teacher, nothing bad is going to happen. Speaker B 00:21:09 Really? Speaker A 00:21:09 No, no. Speaker A 00:21:10 I think. Speaker A 00:21:11 I mean, a lot of people dismiss and laugh at GI based martial arts and GI based anything, but I always say the same stupid comment, which is, when was the last time you got attacked by someone naked? Speaker B 00:21:25 Yeah. Speaker B 00:21:25 I mean, unless you're in San Francisco. Speaker A 00:21:27 Yeah. Speaker B 00:21:29 I had the guys from the jiu jitsu sanctuary, they've just opened this mega gym in Chelmsford. Speaker B 00:21:37 And same thing. Speaker B 00:21:40 He said, we're in England, it's cold most of the time. Speaker A 00:21:43 Yeah. Speaker B 00:21:44 Generally someone at the least is going to have a vest or a t shirt on, which is still a collar choke. Speaker B 00:21:49 You can still choke someone with a t shirt. Speaker A 00:21:51 Yeah. Speaker B 00:21:52 So, you know, usually they got a jump or a coat or a shirt or a tie. Speaker A 00:21:56 So, I mean, I was unfortunate enough to witness a bad kind of alteration in Finchley a few months ago. Speaker A 00:22:06 And, I mean, won't go into too much detail unless you want, but no one was kind of helping. Speaker B 00:22:12 I don't know. Speaker B 00:22:12 Was it good? Speaker B 00:22:13 I mean, you can go into detail. Speaker B 00:22:14 Was it. Speaker A 00:22:15 No. Speaker A 00:22:15 A few people got stabbed. Speaker A 00:22:17 It was. Speaker A 00:22:17 It was quite a. Speaker A 00:22:18 Quite a big thing. Speaker A 00:22:19 I actually. Speaker B 00:22:21 I have to say I wouldn't help. Speaker A 00:22:22 No. Speaker B 00:22:23 People are running around with knives. Speaker A 00:22:24 A lot of people. Speaker A 00:22:25 No one was helping. Speaker A 00:22:27 And obviously, I've got a background in many other martial arts because I'm, you know. Speaker A 00:22:31 But it was the neon belly and a collar which kept one of the attackers down, really, despite him being much larger and trying to get away. Speaker A 00:22:40 Knee on belly.

Speaker B 00:22:41 Oh. Speaker B 00:22:41 Did you just grab someone? Speaker A 00:22:42 Um, I helped out. Speaker A 00:22:44 Helped out where I could. Speaker B 00:22:45 Wow. Speaker B 00:22:45 Um, someone with a knife. Speaker A 00:22:47 Um, it was scissors. Speaker A 00:22:49 They were using scissors to kind of stab each other. Speaker B 00:22:51 How old were they? Speaker A 00:22:53 Um, a couple of them were young, under 18 that got stabbed. Speaker A 00:22:58 But the attacker was a bit older now. Speaker B 00:23:02 Yeah. Speaker B 00:23:02 I don't know. Speaker B 00:23:03 I mean, I guess you don't know until you're in that situation. Speaker B 00:23:05 But if I'm. Speaker B 00:23:07 If I'm betting on myself, honestly, I think I'm betting that I don't. Speaker B 00:23:11 I've seen too many of those videos with old people where they just get fucking ruined. Speaker B 00:23:18 Fall over on the way to running in, hang the head on the curb, get another football kick. Speaker B 00:23:23 Yes. Speaker B 00:23:24 It's not funny, man. Speaker B 00:23:27 Yeah. Speaker B 00:23:28 And. Speaker B 00:23:28 And, I mean, I think the problem is as well, is. Speaker B 00:23:31 Is in. Speaker B 00:23:32 In situations, I don't know what you would say, like live situations now. Speaker B 00:23:37 You don't know how many people are involved. Speaker A 00:23:38 Yeah. Speaker B 00:23:39 So, you know, realistically, unless you are 18 stone, super elite striker who can deal with four people. Speaker B 00:23:50 Yeah. Speaker B 00:23:51 It's one on one. Speaker B 00:23:52 Like, the second person, you know, at best, is gonna slap you in the back of it a couple of times, kick you up the arse or whatever. Speaker B 00:24:01 At worst, he's gonna stab you in the back with fucking pair of scissors. Speaker B 00:24:05 So. Speaker B 00:24:05 Yeah. Speaker B 00:24:07 I don't know, man. Speaker B 00:24:08 It's. Speaker B 00:24:08 It's. Speaker B 00:24:09 It seems. Speaker B 00:24:10 It seems like the, like the kind of the knife crime. Speaker B 00:24:15 I don't know. Speaker B 00:24:15 Bladed weapon crime is just standard now. Speaker A 00:24:19 It's out of control. Speaker A 00:24:20 I mean, it's all over the country. Speaker A 00:24:21 It used to just be certain areas. Speaker A 00:24:23 Even where I'm living now, it's a regular thing. Speaker B 00:24:26 Unfortunately, man, I'm glad that I'm older now. Speaker B 00:24:30 You know, I don't go out much. Speaker B 00:24:32 You know, we might drive to a restaurant somewhere. Speaker B 00:24:34 I'm driving to work. Speaker B 00:24:35 I drive home again. Speaker B 00:24:37 It's, you know, I wouldn't really want to be going out and about and getting night buses home late and walking. Speaker A 00:24:43 No, it's not quite the same fun that it would be when we used to do it. Speaker B 00:24:46 Yeah. Speaker B 00:24:47 Yeah. Speaker B 00:24:47 And, you know, even when I was young, probably I would. Speaker B 00:24:51 I would see a fight or there'd be a fight in a pub or something. Speaker B 00:24:54 Maybe like once every six weeks or a couple of months or something. Speaker B 00:25:00 It'll be two guys having a little punch up. Speaker A 00:25:02 And that's it. Speaker A 00:25:03 A punch up. Speaker B 00:25:04 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker A 00:25:05 Now it continues. Speaker B 00:25:06 And generally, you know, almost always even would be like, their mates would all be like, okay, they're gonna fight. Speaker B 00:25:12 Like, let him fight. Speaker A 00:25:14 Yeah. Speaker B 00:25:14 Not like, you know, okay, let's wait for this guy. Speaker B 00:25:16 Then we'll jump and rush him outside. Speaker A 00:25:18 Yeah. Speaker B 00:25:19 It was kind of a little bit more honorable, like, you know, kind of, uh. Speaker B 00:25:24 With a slap with a glove. Speaker A 00:25:26 Yeah. Speaker A 00:25:27 Challenge you to a duel. Speaker A 00:25:28 Yeah. Speaker B 00:25:29 But I mean, I think, again, maybe. Speaker B 00:25:31 Maybe that is also kind of evolution. Speaker B 00:25:36 I know whether you could. Speaker B 00:25:37 It's like the evolution, but as you. Speaker B 00:25:40 As you move further away from maybe, like real conflict, real war, things like that, people lose their kind of. Speaker B 00:25:51 Their judgment, their sense of, like, doing an honorable thing. Speaker B 00:25:56 I don't know whether you're aware of this. Speaker B 00:25:59 The fourth turning, the four turnings. Speaker B 00:26:01 The fourth turning. Speaker B 00:26:02 It's like, it's this kind of concept of everything in kind of human culture goes in, like, 80 year cycles. Speaker A 00:26:14 Oh, yeah. Speaker B 00:26:15 Roughly. Speaker B 00:26:15 Yeah. Speaker B 00:26:15 So. Speaker B 00:26:16 And they're like 20 year blocks. Speaker B 00:26:18 So you get some kind of massive conflict, like a world war, which is a kind of like a 20 year. Speaker B 00:26:24 You know, the build up to it, it happening, it's finishing, whatever. Speaker B 00:26:28 Then you get like a 20 year kind of baby boom where everybody, because they're no longer at war, is like, we want to have families. Speaker B 00:26:35 We want to have kids. Speaker B 00:26:36 You get loads of kids being born to. Speaker B 00:26:38 Then you get a massive economic boom because all the kids grow up. Speaker B 00:26:42 They want to buy a car, they want to buy a suit, they want to buy a house. Speaker B 00:26:45 They get first job, all of that stuff. Speaker B 00:26:48 And then you get what we've got now, which is no one remembers the war, and everyone just remembers, oh, it don't really matter what you do. Speaker B 00:26:55 Just stuff's fine and it's easy and it's no problem. Speaker B 00:26:57 And I can just do whatever I like. Speaker B 00:26:59 And you get kids running around with scissors in north Finchley. Speaker A 00:27:02 Yeah, it's mad. Speaker B

00:27:03 They're just like, oh, there's no consequences anyway, is it? Speaker B 00:27:06 I mean, I just kind of. Speaker A 00:27:07 Yeah, they'll get away with it or be the first offense or they'll get given, you know, a nice room to go and live in for a few months. Speaker A 00:27:14 It's just. Speaker B 00:27:14 Yeah, well, no, I mean, only if they. Speaker B 00:27:16 Only if they stream it to Facebook. Speaker A 00:27:18 Yeah. Speaker B 00:27:19 If you don't post it on social media, apparently it's perfectly fine. Speaker A 00:27:22 Yeah. Speaker B 00:27:23 Craziness. Speaker B 00:27:25 So tell me a bit about, I messaged you and said maybe like rehab, prehab and stuff for BJJ, and you said, yeah, also nutrition, blood work, illness and disease prevention, mental health. Speaker B 00:27:41 Maybe we've touched on it a little bit. Speaker B 00:27:43 But tell me a bit about kind of maybe your view on being efficient and being, well, particularly around BJJ, you know, from the background of the work that you do. Speaker A 00:27:59 Yeah, I mean, I think there's many different facets to staying injury free in jits and performing at your best. Speaker A 00:28:08 I think the biggest problem we've got at the moment is nutrition. Speaker A 00:28:14 People are going carb free or they're trying to cut too much weight for a comp or they're not hydrated. Speaker A 00:28:20 I think that's the simplest or the quickest way to get fucked up, quickest way to get injured, I think. Speaker A 00:28:25 But many people seem to be doing it. Speaker A 00:28:27 And even some of the top elite athletes that have just competed in the world, masters in the world, the people that are way better than me and you, but you kind of wonder how much better could they have performed if they hadn't just lost, I don't know, ten pounds the night before? Speaker B 00:28:41 Yeah, definitely, definitely don't want to do that. Speaker B 00:28:43 I mean, you would you, would you support sort of like a weight cut over twelve weeks or whatever, running up to, you know, you want to compete at under 70 and you weigh 75 and you're like, okay, a few months out, I need to start getting down to under 70 and train at that weight and be fit at that weight. Speaker A 00:29:02 So there are many people I look up to in the world of performance nutrition and performance training, and I think there are other people out there that know this inside out. Speaker A 00:29:11 That's their only job. Speaker A 00:29:12 But from, from my point of view, I think doing a five kilo cut in twelve weeks, even that I think is going to hinder performance. Speaker A 00:29:21 What I would rather that one of my athletes b would be at the weight not doing a cut, but doing a maintenance or even a very, very slow reverse diet. Speaker A 00:29:32 So theyre actually not on the back foot leading up to it because twelve weeks out from training, from a comp, you want to do comp sparring, you want to sort of hit the cardio more, you want to get your plyometrics up. Speaker A 00:29:43 Youre not going to be trying to gain too much strength and wrong phase for that. Speaker A 00:29:47 But you dont want to be dieting either. Speaker A 00:29:49 Thats something else for you to think about or worry about. Speaker B 00:29:52 But do you think then that just comes down to like a lack of preparation, like, like you're thinking, okay, two months out from a comp, don't really want to compete at 76. Speaker B 00:30:03 I'm going to compete at 70. Speaker B 00:30:04 Let me drop some weight rather than thinking, I'm going to do the euros in January. Speaker B 00:30:10 So the previous January I'm going to get down to 67 kilos and I'm going to stay the whole year there, do a couple of comps. Speaker B 00:30:19 That's kind of what you should do. Speaker B 00:30:21 Right? Speaker A 00:30:21 Again, you have to look at who we're talking about. Speaker A 00:30:23 Is it a full time athlete who's in their twenties? Speaker A 00:30:27 Is it a 40 or 50 year old man who's got a family? Speaker B 00:30:31 I always want to tailor it more. Speaker A 00:30:33 To something that's useful for me. Speaker A 00:30:38 Are you going to lose anything by not winging the comp? Speaker A 00:30:41 Exactly. Speaker A 00:30:41 So it's not a 20 grand bonus, it's not a promotion, it's not a sponsorship. Speaker A 00:30:45 With Tatami, compete the way you are, I think maybe maintaining that weight for one year, that's quite a long period of time that doesn't allow you to then put on any muscle or train hard. Speaker A 00:30:59 There's no such thing as overtraining. Speaker A 00:31:01 It's only under recovering. Speaker A 00:31:03 And so you have to be recovering from what you're training. Speaker A 00:31:05 From what we know we're in October 1 is what, in three days time, two days time. Speaker A 00:31:10 So October, November, December, January euros would. Speaker B 00:31:15 Be so end of June, I would. Speaker A 00:31:16 Say start making weight for that now or start being close to at weight for it now in a small deficit and then maybe do two or three weeks at a maintenance and then maybe go into a very, very small reverse diet just where you're adding 20 calories a day back into it so you are technically on a bulk, but so slow that the scales won't notice it. Speaker A 00:31:41 And that will allow you to train optimally. Speaker B 00:31:44 Yeah, I mean, I think. Speaker B 00:31:45 I think that my weight doesn't really move. Speaker B 00:31:47 I mean, I don't. Speaker B 00:31:47 I don't really go up and down. Speaker B 00:31:49 You know, I walk around 68. Speaker A 00:31:51 When are you competing next? Speaker B 00:31:53 I don't know. Speaker B 00:31:54 I might. Speaker B 00:31:54 I might do English, which is end of November, and I might do euros. Speaker A 00:32:00 Oh, nice. Speaker A 00:32:01 Okay. Speaker B 00:32:01 Because, well, I mean, they're the only

ones I really do anyway, because I don't have anyone to fight in smaller comps? Speaker A 00:32:08 No, I've got no one. Speaker A 00:32:09 I'm doing the London open in two weeks. Speaker B 00:32:11 Yeah. Speaker A 00:32:11 But knowing in my gi. Speaker A 00:32:12 Knowing my. Speaker A 00:32:12 No gi. Speaker B 00:32:13 Yeah. Speaker B 00:32:13 See, I kind of, you know, on the one hand, I'm like, okay, it's kind of cool, right? Speaker B 00:32:17 You move up a weight or you move down an age or whatever, but I'm gonna turn 52 this year. Speaker B 00:32:24 I don't give a shit about fighting someone who's heavier than me or younger than me, but they fucking beat me up in the gym. Speaker B 00:32:30 They're gonna beat me up in the competition, but I'm gonna pay 100 quid for it. Speaker B 00:32:33 So there's not really any. Speaker B 00:32:36 I don't really get any benefit from it. Speaker B 00:32:39 So English open and. Speaker B 00:32:41 Or euros tend to be the only ones. Speaker B 00:32:45 And even now, I mean, English open might be like three or four people and euros. Speaker B 00:32:49 I think last time I went, there was four or five of us. Speaker B 00:32:53 I think one guy didn't turn up or whatever, but even then it's like a small bracket. Speaker B 00:32:59 I think maybe I haven't looked, actually. Speaker B 00:33:00 I think maybe this time around, because I got my brown belt. Speaker B 00:33:04 There's probably more older guys at brown belt than there were at purple. Speaker A 00:33:08 Yeah. Speaker B 00:33:09 You know, and if you get to. Speaker A 00:33:09 Black belt, you probably got the pools unlimited. Speaker B 00:33:12 25 people in that. Speaker A 00:33:13 Yeah, unlimited pool. Speaker B 00:33:14 Because everyone got there. Speaker B 00:33:15 And whoever's still training is old now. Speaker B 00:33:17 Right? Speaker A 00:33:17 Yeah. Speaker B 00:33:18 So. Speaker B 00:33:18 So maybe there'll be more people at brown belt than there was at purple. Speaker B 00:33:23 But, you know, the. Speaker B 00:33:26 It is strange as well, because, I mean, we were talking just very briefly before starting recording about the. Speaker B 00:33:34 About bluebelt being on blue belt for a long time. Speaker B 00:33:38 And I kind of think, like, where I am now, just having got a brown belt, and this would be only my experience, but I'm not as concerned about competing, improving, getting to a certain level, or being able to beat certain people or whatever as I was at Bluebelt. Speaker B 00:34:00 I think at Bluebelt, I was much more kind of. Speaker B 00:34:05 You still don't know. Speaker B 00:34:08 I might be the next Gordon Ryan from Mill Hill. Speaker B 00:34:10 Like, no one knows yet. Speaker B 00:34:12 By the time you're like, 50 and you're on the braille, you know, you know you're not. Speaker B 00:34:17 Not this time, son. Speaker B 00:34:18 Maybe. Speaker B 00:34:18 Maybe in another life. Speaker B 00:34:20 So even as far as competition, I think for me now, if I go for comp, it's actually a little bit around what we were saying before about sending a message to the universe of still being young, because I think that in lieu of actual proper gradings, which you don't really have in jiu jitsu, competition is kind of like your exams. Speaker A 00:34:46 Yeah. Speaker B 00:34:47 When you're a kid, you have to do exams all the time. Speaker B 00:34:49 It doesn't matter if you don't want to do them. Speaker B 00:34:50 They're like, it's, you know, next Tuesday, you've got this exam. Speaker B 00:34:53 End of summer, you've got these exams. Speaker B 00:34:55 And so I kind of feel like, because it's a little bit uncomfortable, it's a little bit stressful, it's a little bit pressured. Speaker A 00:35:01 It's a little bit scary, isn't it? Speaker B 00:35:03 Yeah. Speaker B 00:35:03 So it's kind of like, can you still put yourself in that situation or are you just going to go, look, I don't have to do it anymore. Speaker B 00:35:10 No one's going to judge me. Speaker B 00:35:12 It's not like my mum's going to say to me, oh, you didn't do the euros next. Speaker B 00:35:15 She don't care. Speaker A 00:35:16 No. Speaker B 00:35:17 So it's kind of like if I. Speaker B 00:35:18 If I do them now, it's more me just saying to myself, man, you just got to keep, keep pushing, keep pushing. Speaker B 00:35:27 Because 50 is fucking much worse than 40, let me tell you. Speaker B 00:35:32 Fifty's. Speaker B 00:35:33 Fifty's much harder than 40, you know? Speaker B 00:35:36 And you just. Speaker B 00:35:37 Every day you kind of have that choice of, like, I just take my foot off the gas today and then it's a week and then it's a month, and then you're someone that's got stories about stuff you used to do. Speaker A 00:35:49 Yeah. Speaker B 00:35:49 You notice. Speaker B 00:35:50 It happens. Speaker A 00:35:51 I think the golden rule is never miss more than two, two in a row. Speaker B 00:35:55 Don't miss comps or classes. Speaker A 00:35:57 Anything. Speaker B 00:35:58 Anything. Speaker A 00:35:58 Don't miss two gym workouts in a row. Speaker A 00:36:00 Don't miss two jits classes in a row. Speaker B 00:36:02 That's probably a. Speaker B 00:36:03 Don't. Speaker A 00:36:03 Don't. Speaker A 00:36:04 No. Speaker A 00:36:04 Don't not do your homework for two days in a row. Speaker A 00:36:06 Because after that, what's the chance you're actually doing it? Speaker B 00:36:09 That's the beginning of a habit, isn't it? Speaker B 00:36:11 Beginning of a pattern. Speaker B 00:36:12 Once you. Speaker A 00:36:13 I think you can miss one if you need to, but don't miss two. Speaker B 00:36:17 Yeah. Speaker B 00:36:17 So then I've got to do either the English or the euros. Speaker A 00:36:20 I see. Speaker A 00:36:21 Euros then. Speaker A 00:36:21 I've not been before. Speaker B 00:36:22 Euros is wicked. Speaker A 00:36:23 I'm looking

to go for the first time next year. Speaker B 00:36:26 Yeah? Speaker B 00:36:26 Yeah. Speaker B 00:36:26 Euros is really good. Speaker B 00:36:27 I mean, euros is really good. Speaker B 00:36:29 Just because it's like the euros, you know, it's kind of. Speaker B 00:36:31 It's like something to tick off the list. Speaker B 00:36:34 Like, go there. Speaker B 00:36:35 It's a massive comp. Speaker B 00:36:37 There's loads of. Speaker B 00:36:38 I mean, it's back in Portugal as. Speaker A 00:36:39 Well, which I've been told is much better. Speaker B 00:36:41 Kind of back at the Odivelas, like the proper kind of, you know, because it's portuguese speaking. Speaker B 00:36:48 Right. Speaker B 00:36:48 So the Brazilians are super happy because everyone's kind of speaking Portuguese. Speaker B 00:36:52 And, you know, I remember the first time I went, it was literally, like. Speaker B 00:36:58 I don't know, it was like walking around, like a Hollywood party or something, you know, where you're just like, meow brothers and this guy and that guy. Speaker B 00:37:06 And I'm not, like, super into my jujitsu people, but I'm just seeing people. Speaker B 00:37:13 I'm like. Speaker B 00:37:13 I've seen him on YouTube and, you know, in the warm up area, like all these, like, big, giant Brazilians just, like, launching each other, doing their judo warm ups and stuff. Speaker B 00:37:27 Yeah, it's cool, man. Speaker B 00:37:28 Euros is. Speaker B 00:37:28 Euros is really cool. Speaker B 00:37:29 And, you know, ultimately, you get on the mat, you gotta fight one other guy. Speaker A 00:37:33 Yeah. Speaker B 00:37:34 There's a referee. Speaker B 00:37:35 Like, it's no different to doing the Milton Keynes open. Speaker A 00:37:39 Yeah. Speaker B 00:37:39 It's literally. Speaker B 00:37:40 The mat's the same. Speaker A 00:37:41 Yeah. Speaker B 00:37:42 You might be fighting the same guy. Speaker B 00:37:43 We don't even know. Speaker B 00:37:44 Right. Speaker B 00:37:45 But it's really. Speaker B 00:37:47 It's a really good experience. Speaker B 00:37:49 And also, you know, looking at it on, like, risk reward. Speaker B 00:37:53 If you come out of the euros with a medal, that's legit. Speaker B 00:37:58 Like, if you say. Speaker B 00:37:59 People say, oh, what's the last compile? Speaker B 00:38:01 I got silver in the Milton Keynes cup. Speaker B 00:38:04 People like, oh, cool. Speaker B 00:38:05 If you got a silver at the euros. Speaker A 00:38:07 Yeah. Speaker B 00:38:07 This is like a thing that goes on your jujitsu CV, right? Speaker B 00:38:11 Silver medalist euros. Speaker B 00:38:12 So, yeah, yeah, euros. Speaker B 00:38:14 Euros is cool. Speaker B 00:38:15 Yeah, yeah. Speaker B 00:38:16 The only. Speaker B 00:38:16 The only thing I think that would prevent me going this time is now we got a fly because it's Portugal. Speaker B 00:38:24 I think the last year or two years we went. Speaker B 00:38:27 Last year were two. Speaker B 00:38:29 I think the last two, actually, we went to Paris on the Eurostar, which is really easy because we got the national rail train goes from the end of my road, so that goes to Kings Cross. Speaker B 00:38:42 Get on the Eurostar, get out in Paris and you're there again, the metro, and get out, and you're literally at the venue. Speaker B 00:38:48 So just like three trains and three trains back again. Speaker B 00:38:51 Whereas go to the airport, park the car, get a flight. Speaker B 00:38:56 But Portugal's kind of. Speaker B 00:38:57 The weather's kind of better. Speaker B 00:38:59 So if you're lucky, in January now, you get, like, a little bit of sun. Speaker B 00:39:02 It's 20 degrees. Speaker B 00:39:03 You walk around eating them little custard pies. Speaker B 00:39:06 Yeah, it's cool. Speaker B 00:39:07 So have you. Speaker B 00:39:08 Have you can you sign up yet? Speaker B 00:39:09 Have you signed up to. Speaker A 00:39:10 No, I haven't signed up yet. Speaker B 00:39:11 You do it. Speaker A 00:39:12 I think I will. Speaker B 00:39:13 I mean, I want to as CFS. Speaker B 00:39:16 Do they send, like, a gang? Speaker A 00:39:19 People do. Speaker A 00:39:20 So I think Jay Butler's going. Speaker B 00:39:22 Cause it's nice to have, like, a black belt with you. Speaker A 00:39:25 Yes. Speaker B 00:39:25 Remember the first time I went to euros? Speaker B 00:39:28 Nick was there. Speaker B 00:39:29 Nick and Shelley were there. Speaker B 00:39:30 So Nick was kind of on the side of a few people's mats, and there was about maybe like 1518 people from Mill Hill. Speaker B 00:39:38 So when you're sitting around, there's like a bunch of mill hill people. Speaker A 00:39:41 That's nice. Speaker A 00:39:41 Yeah. Speaker B 00:39:41 Whereas, you know, when we would go this time, it's just like me and Goshen, we bumped into. Speaker B 00:39:45 You bump into a couple of people, you know, but, you know, we just literally just. Speaker A 00:39:49 So that's what I like about doing comps as well. Speaker A 00:39:51 You do bump into people that you know from you don't even know where from sometimes. Speaker A 00:39:55 I met you at the Louis Cooper seminar and I met you at the Chris how to seminar and you just sort of start talking. Speaker A 00:40:00 Yeah. Speaker A 00:40:01 And it's also helpful when you say, oh, would you mind coaching me? Speaker B 00:40:03 Yeah. Speaker A 00:40:05 I bumped into Abby at all at the last London open. Speaker A 00:40:09 Not seeing her in ages. Speaker A 00:40:10 She's like, oh, do you want to record for you? Speaker A 00:40:12 I say, cool. Speaker B 00:40:13 Yeah. Speaker A 00:40:13 That's just like, you know. Speaker B 00:40:14 Yeah. Speaker B 00:40:15 Everyone wants to. Speaker B 00:40:16 Well, you think you want to see your fight, right? Speaker A 00:40:18 Yeah. Speaker A 00:40:18 Depends how it goes. Speaker A 00:40:19 And then you realize actually how

crap you just done. Speaker B 00:40:20 Yeah, yeah. Speaker B 00:40:21 Delete, send to recycle bin. Speaker A 00:40:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker A 00:40:23 Don't send to my professor, whatever you do. Speaker B 00:40:26 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker B 00:40:27 Especially not Dave, right? Speaker A 00:40:29 Yeah, professor. Speaker B 00:40:30 Because he's gonna. Speaker B 00:40:30 He's gonna pick you up on all the. Speaker A 00:40:32 Like he should. Speaker B 00:40:33 Yeah. Speaker A 00:40:33 But I don't. Speaker A 00:40:34 I don't want to see you. Speaker B 00:40:35 Yeah. Speaker B 00:40:35 It was like, I remember at mill hill after, you know, Nick. Speaker B 00:40:38 Nick was much more kind of easy come, easy go. Speaker B 00:40:42 But even. Speaker B 00:40:43 Even I remember after euros at mill hill, Nick used to basically say, okay, like, we're going to go through Jason's fight. Speaker B 00:40:52 Like, why he got triangled in 1 minute. Speaker B 00:40:55 Like, okay, why would you. Speaker B 00:40:59 Why does anyone know why you don't want to take this grip? Speaker A 00:41:01 Yeah. Speaker B 00:41:02 You know, he would in that way. Speaker B 00:41:04 He would not. Speaker B 00:41:05 He wouldn't. Speaker B 00:41:06 It was nothing negative about it, but he would go through everyone's fights, good and bad, and say, like, if in this position, you never want to do this, or this is the correct thing to do with your leg or whatever, and you know, I mean, there's no, there's no harm in getting. Speaker A 00:41:21 There's no harm in that feedback. Speaker A 00:41:22 So, I mean, David's got a really good sort of curriculum. Speaker A 00:41:25 She's got. Speaker A 00:41:25 He's got multiple folders and multiple things in the wall, like what's each belt, what's expected. Speaker A 00:41:32 However, if he goes to a company, sees no. Speaker A 00:41:35 Multiple people have got issues getting out of close guard or finishing from Monday. Speaker A 00:41:40 That's what we're doing for a few weeks. Speaker A 00:41:42 And. Speaker A 00:41:43 Which is nice. Speaker A 00:41:44 It's a good thing to do regardless what the curriculum is at that time. Speaker A 00:41:47 It will be. Speaker A 00:41:48 Right. Speaker A 00:41:49 Mondays, close guard, butterfly sweep. Speaker A 00:41:51 Da da da da da. Speaker B 00:41:53 Yeah, he does seem very kind of thorough and comprehensive on the way approaches. Speaker A 00:42:00 That's a good word to use for him. Speaker A 00:42:01 Comprehensive. Speaker B 00:42:01 Yeah, because I think the difficulty with jujitsu is that it's so it's just like a crazy spidering off kind of thing. Speaker B 00:42:13 Right. Speaker B 00:42:14 You know, like from every, like you say, okay, a bunch of people got stuck in closed guard. Speaker B 00:42:20 So you start looking at ways to open the guard, but you're also then looking at, like, why did you get stuck in close guard in the first place? Speaker B 00:42:28 And then you're looking at, so do you pull guard or do you wait for the other guy to pull guard to try to pass or are you trying to get takedowns? Speaker B 00:42:36 And then. Speaker B 00:42:38 And it's just. Speaker B 00:42:39 It's almost impossible to kind of unravel everything. Speaker B 00:42:43 And I kind of, you know, I've only done a couple of, like, little mini seminars with, with David Newma, but I kind of get the feeling that, like, if you wanted to ask is there anyone who knows, like, the spider diagram of everything? Speaker B 00:43:00 He'd be right up there with. Speaker B 00:43:02 Let me get folder number eleven out. Speaker B 00:43:04 Like, this is the one with the. Speaker A 00:43:05 Color coded stuff in it, which makes it. Speaker A 00:43:09 It does make it easier for us to learn. Speaker A 00:43:12 Yeah, I like it. Speaker B 00:43:12 Yeah. Speaker B 00:43:13 So how often are you training? Speaker A 00:43:15 Because obviously I live so far away. Speaker B 00:43:17 Yeah. Speaker A 00:43:18 What's it like an hour to get with no traffic? Speaker A 00:43:20 An hour with traffic, it can be a shitload more. Speaker B 00:43:23 And are you working in Milton Keynes? Speaker A 00:43:25 Yeah. Speaker B 00:43:25 So you're working near where you live. Speaker A 00:43:27 But you're living and working there. Speaker B 00:43:28 Come down to. Speaker A 00:43:29 Yeah, so at the moment I'm just doing two days a week. Speaker A 00:43:32 On those two days, it's three or four classes per day, an open mat, and then co teach in one of the kids classes. Speaker B 00:43:39 Right. Speaker A 00:43:40 So it's a. Speaker A 00:43:40 It's a full on day. Speaker B 00:43:41 Right. Speaker A 00:43:41 Full on two days. Speaker B 00:43:43 So is it. Speaker B 00:43:43 So he's he's teaching all days. Speaker B 00:43:45 Kind of open all day down there. Speaker A 00:43:47 The club's pretty much open all the time. Speaker B 00:43:49 Yeah. Speaker A 00:43:49 And we've got fantastic coaches that also teach classes, so he hasn't got to be there himself constantly. Speaker A 00:43:55 We've got, we've got some really good brown belts, purple belts. Speaker A 00:43:58 Well, all colour belts, but they also teach as well. Speaker B 00:44:01 But you can go in there and do, I don't know, 11:00, 01:00. Speaker A 00:44:04 Yeah. Speaker A 00:44:04 There's like, I think a 05:45 a.m. Speaker A 00:44:06 class open mat. Speaker A 00:44:08 Like 1030. Speaker A 00:44:08 There's a 1230 class. Speaker B 00:44:10 So would you like, go down, train, have a laptop and work remotely in between with clients? Speaker A 00:44:17 Yeah, I can do online consultations with people, patients. Speaker A 00:44:21 I type up nutrition plans, I do coursework, I write courses that I'm teaching. Speaker A 00:44:26 So I'm sitting there all day busy. Speaker B 00:44:29 Yeah, yeah. Speaker B 00:44:29 It's a good way to do it. Speaker A 00:44:30 Yeah.

Speaker B 00:44:31 And have they got, they haven't got like a affiliated gym that's near you, a CFS up in. Speaker A 00:44:37 Not a CFS. Speaker A 00:44:38 I mean, we've got loads of people that we sort of not work with, but loads of people that we know. Speaker A 00:44:45 That's to be fair. Speaker A 00:44:46 Actually, if I think about it, in Milton Keynes, there must be. Speaker A 00:44:49 I'm just gonna put a number out there, 15 clubs. Speaker A 00:44:52 And they're all quite close to me. Speaker A 00:44:54 I do go and sort of play around at each one. Speaker A 00:44:57 Go to open mats and things. Speaker A 00:44:58 I've got friends. Speaker A 00:44:59 That train is Viking. Speaker B 00:45:02 Milton Keynes. Speaker A 00:45:02 Viking. Speaker A 00:45:03 Vikings. Speaker A 00:45:04 Very close to me. Speaker B 00:45:05 Yeah. Speaker B 00:45:05 Yeah. Speaker B 00:45:06 Because we. Speaker B 00:45:06 I had Peter Olsen on and he's. Speaker B 00:45:11 We went up and did a Sunday open mat. Speaker A 00:45:13 Yeah. Speaker B 00:45:14 Up there. Speaker A 00:45:14 Viking. Speaker A 00:45:15 Super close to where I live. Speaker B 00:45:16 Yeah. Speaker A 00:45:16 Um. Speaker B 00:45:17 And, and, um. Speaker B 00:45:20 Where's. Speaker B 00:45:21 Where's, uh. Speaker B 00:45:23 Boxmore. Speaker A 00:45:25 Boxmore. Speaker A 00:45:25 BJJ. Speaker B 00:45:26 That's not melting Keynes. Speaker A 00:45:27 That's not Milton Keynes, but that's. Speaker B 00:45:28 Again, he's, he's, he's a. Speaker A 00:45:31 That's actually pretty closest to me as well. Speaker B 00:45:33 Yeah. Speaker A 00:45:33 A bit closer. Speaker B 00:45:34 Yeah. Speaker B 00:45:35 Yeah, yeah. Speaker B 00:45:35 So maybe that would be the closer enumerate affiliate. Speaker B 00:45:39 I remember, uh, Ben, you remember Bentley Woolwich. Speaker A 00:45:43 Yes. Speaker B 00:45:43 Yeah, loads of times on the podcast. Speaker B 00:45:45 But I remember him saying to me, he. Speaker B 00:45:49 So he did a comp and I think he just went on his own. Speaker B 00:45:54 David Newman was there, just happened to be there and said, oh, have you got anyone coaching you? Speaker B 00:45:59 And he said, no, because he remembered him from a seminar or something. Speaker B 00:46:02 He said, yeah, you're a boxmore. Speaker B 00:46:04 That's fine, I'll coach you. Speaker B 00:46:06 And Ben was saying like, ben had this game plan of, I don't know, like, trying to get a wrong side triangle and sweep or whatever, something weird. Speaker B 00:46:15 And because I could hear David Numa, like, shouting at me, like, you know, move your triangle to the other side. Speaker B 00:46:22 And it was like, I was really conflicted because, like, yeah, I didn't want to disrespect his coaching, but I was like, that's not my plan. Speaker B 00:46:29 And so anyway, he. Speaker B 00:46:31 I can't remember whether he won the fight or lost the fight or whatever. Speaker B 00:46:34 And then the thing, the week or a couple of weeks later, David Newma was teaching a seminar at Boxmore, and Ben was there early because he's a key holder. Speaker B 00:46:46 So he was there. Speaker B 00:46:47 He opened the gym up. Speaker B 00:46:48 And because David Newman had been coaching him, he was like, we, like, real, like, buddies now, right? Speaker B 00:46:57 So he goes, before everyone got there, he was saying. Speaker B 00:47:00 I was saying to him, all right, Dave, and this and that, and then you're having a little chat. Speaker B 00:47:03 How's it going? Speaker B 00:47:04 Whatever. Speaker B 00:47:04 Because he. Speaker B 00:47:05 He's like, I thought, like, we're bros now. Speaker B 00:47:07 And he goes, the seminar started, and David Uma goes, okay, I want to do, like, the housekeeping rules. Speaker B 00:47:16 I'm not your friend. Speaker B 00:47:17 I'm your professor. Speaker B 00:47:19 You don't call me Dave. Speaker B 00:47:20 You call me Professor Aonuma, because I was just in the corner, like, trying to, like, sink down into the mat. Speaker B 00:47:27 Everything I've just done for the last half an hour, that's the beginning of his seminar, is like, don't do that. Speaker B 00:47:33 Yeah, he's a. Speaker B 00:47:34 He's a funny guy. Speaker B 00:47:35 He's a funny guy. Speaker B 00:47:36 So come back to, like, prep or what you should or should not be doing to keep you on the mats and effective and efficient, because there's a big difference between turning up and turning up and being able to perform. Speaker B 00:47:51 Right and cover. Speaker A 00:47:52 So, obviously, with nutrition, we've touched upon that. Speaker B 00:47:55 But what would you say? Speaker B 00:47:57 I mean, this is probably, like, an impossible question to answer, but what would you say are kind of. Speaker B 00:48:02 I don't know, if you. Speaker B 00:48:03 If you have to give me, like, five or ten, sort of the. Speaker B 00:48:07 The highest percentage of what I should be doing. Speaker A 00:48:11 Interesting. Speaker B 00:48:12 You know, what are my fundamentals that I should or should not be doing around nutrition? Speaker A 00:48:18 So you should be having carbohydrates before you train. Speaker B 00:48:21 Right. Speaker A 00:48:23 How much carbs depends on how many. Speaker A 00:48:25 How long the session is. Speaker B 00:48:26 Yeah. Speaker A 00:48:26 And how many sessions per day. Speaker A 00:48:28 So the general rule of thumb would be kind of, I don't know, 30, 60, 90. Speaker A 00:48:32 So 30 grams before a single session. Speaker A 00:48:36 If you do multiple sessions, you might want to have 60 grams before. Speaker A 00:48:40 That way you can recover and replenish throughout. Speaker B 00:48:42 But would you do, would you do like say 30 before you train and that's what, an hour before, half an. Speaker A 00:48:48 Hour to hour and a half, depending on your digestion. Speaker B 00:48:51 And

would you then have maybe like a carb drink that you are drinking. Speaker A 00:48:56 In between if you need it like. Speaker B 00:48:58 A 60 millimeter or you just do 60 grams earlier? Speaker A 00:49:00 If you need like a cyclodextrin before, you can sip that throughout. Speaker A 00:49:05 But if not, you know, a couple of rice cakes, glass of orange juice, banana before an open mat. Speaker A 00:49:10 That should be enough. Speaker B 00:49:12 And can you, can you eat mohams. Speaker A 00:49:15 Mowams, e candy you can do. Speaker A 00:49:17 Depends how much they spike your insulin, though. Speaker A 00:49:19 You don't, you don't want to know. Speaker A 00:49:20 What goes up must come down. Speaker A 00:49:22 So if you're getting spiked up quickly, it's going to drop quickly. Speaker B 00:49:24 Yeah. Speaker B 00:49:25 So could you, can you, if you did, if you do sweets, for example. Speaker B 00:49:28 So I've had a couple of people on who've said, like, they will have a bag of sweets or a bag of jellies before training, you know, super high level fit guys. Speaker A 00:49:39 That's the difference. Speaker A 00:49:40 Their body's adapted to it. Speaker A 00:49:41 Their body can cope with that. Speaker B 00:49:43 But would you, if you, if you would do that, so say, even, I don't know, maybe like a sugary drink or whatever, would you want to have that much closer to your session? Speaker B 00:49:52 Yeah. Speaker B 00:49:52 So how is there, is there an actual. Speaker B 00:49:54 Because sometimes, like if I'm thinking I'm getting a bit hungry, I haven't really eaten until since lunchtime. Speaker B 00:50:00 My digestion is not great anymore. Speaker B 00:50:02 So I don't really like eating even an hour and a half before. Speaker B 00:50:05 I don't really like eating. Speaker B 00:50:06 I rather have it longer. Speaker B 00:50:08 So I will have like a couple of sweets or a bit of chocolate or whatever before I go to sparring class. Speaker B 00:50:14 Maybe like 20 minutes before. Speaker A 00:50:17 Yeah. Speaker A 00:50:17 But then maybe what you could do is an hour and a half to 2 hours before that, if your digestion isn't that good, have half a banana or even a quarter. Speaker B 00:50:26 Yeah, yeah. Speaker B 00:50:26 No, I can have a banana or two, but I mean, I wouldn't want to sit and eat like a sweet potato. Speaker A 00:50:30 No. Speaker A 00:50:30 That's a bit much though. Speaker A 00:50:31 Yeah. Speaker A 00:50:33 You want the food to be digested enough so it's giving you energy throughout the workout. Speaker B 00:50:39 I'm just trying to find a way to justify, justify it. Speaker A 00:50:42 I would say the fitter you are, the more you can process, the quicker releasing sugars. Speaker B 00:50:50 But it gets worse. Speaker B 00:50:51 As you get older, it does, yeah. Speaker B 00:50:53 I mean, I feel all right on it, to be fair, but it's just. Speaker B 00:50:55 I know it's not. Speaker A 00:50:56

The thing is we're talking about because of. Speaker A 00:50:58 No, it's a short interaction here. Speaker A 00:51:00 We haven't got like a few hours seminar on nutrition. Speaker A 00:51:03 We're talking about fueling yourself before a workout. Speaker A 00:51:05 However, that also starts the day before. Speaker A 00:51:08 And then you've got hydration. Speaker A 00:51:10 Just general hydration. Speaker A 00:51:11 That's a three to five day process. Speaker B 00:51:13 Yeah. Speaker B 00:51:13 So hydration. Speaker B 00:51:15 Two to three litres a day of something with no caffeine in it. Speaker A 00:51:18 Hydration. Speaker A 00:51:19 So we lose on average, 4% of our body weight per day. Speaker A 00:51:23 So you're weight in kilos, whack it into your calculator. Speaker A 00:51:26 -4% that's your base. Speaker B 00:51:30 And can you say a kilo is a litre of water? Speaker B 00:51:33 Does it roughly? Speaker A 00:51:34 Yeah, it's about. Speaker A 00:51:34 Yes, about the same. Speaker A 00:51:36 That's why you put your weight in kilos into the calculator. Speaker B 00:51:38 Okay. Speaker A 00:51:39 -4% and that number comes out is then your liters. Speaker B 00:51:42 Gotcha. Speaker A 00:51:43 So your base, 67 kilos. Speaker A 00:51:45 Your base might be three liters and that's just your daily base. Speaker B 00:51:49 But some of that will come from food, right? Speaker A 00:51:51 Yes, it can, but it's not quantifiable. Speaker A 00:51:54 We can't sit there and squeeze out a corn in the cob or cucumber and say, right, I've got 500 meals from there. Speaker A 00:51:59 We need to be certain we've got it. Speaker B 00:52:01 But, but, so if I. Speaker B 00:52:02 If I'm. Speaker B 00:52:03 Let's. Speaker B 00:52:03 Let's just say I'm 70 for easier maths. Speaker B 00:52:06 For you, maybe it's easier than point 67 and it's less decimal places. Speaker B 00:52:13 But say, say, but say I'm 70, then 4% is going to be. Speaker B 00:52:20 Yeah, like three kilos, something. Speaker B 00:52:22 Three. Speaker B 00:52:22 Three liters. Speaker B 00:52:24 I don't know if I drink three litres a day, I probably drink two to three, but I don't think I drink more than three. Speaker B 00:52:32 So I must then take a litre from food. Speaker A 00:52:36 This is the thing. Speaker A 00:52:37 You will get hydration from fruits, veggies, etc. Speaker A 00:52:41 However, because it isn't a measurable thing, because we can't quantify it. Speaker A 00:52:46 You would want to make sure you hit your target with something measurable. Speaker B 00:52:50 Okay. Speaker B 00:52:51 Just to make sure, you just go right. Speaker B 00:52:52 Hit that out of fluids. Speaker A 00:52:54 Yeah. Speaker B 00:52:55 Hitting whatever is on top of that. Speaker B 00:52:56 Great. Speaker A 00:52:56 Yeah, yeah. Speaker A 00:52:57 Again, it's the same as. Speaker A 00:52:59 Same as calories in, calories out, or money in, money out. Speaker A 00:53:02 Over the whole week. Speaker A 00:53:03 It adds up. Speaker A 00:53:04 So you might not quite hit it one day. Speaker A 00:53:06 You might smash it at the park Tuesday. Speaker A 00:53:08 I mean, you can look at averages also, but I would say by hitting it by immeasurable fluids, at least you're safe. Speaker B 00:53:16 And in terms of fluids in water, water with salt in it, electrolytes, coffee, and tea. Speaker B 00:53:25 So what's your kind of. Speaker A 00:53:27 Yeah, so this water is actually one of my things, and it's saying bang on about all the time. Speaker A 00:53:33 When you're saying, drinking water, what is the water? Speaker A 00:53:36 Is it Brita filtered? Speaker A 00:53:37 Is it tap water? Speaker A 00:53:38 Is it bottled water? Speaker A 00:53:40 So what's the mineral content in this water? Speaker A 00:53:43 So water hates to be clean. Speaker A 00:53:47 Water as a substance hates to be empty. Speaker A 00:53:51 So it likes to grab onto molecules of electrolytes. Speaker A 00:53:56 So if you drank water from a Brita water filter, it goes in and it strips you of all of your minerals. Speaker A 00:54:04 And as you pass it out, it's then taken it all with it. Speaker B 00:54:08 Interesting. Speaker A 00:54:09 So one of the quickest ways to dehydrate yourself is to drink filtered water that hasn't been remineralized. Speaker A 00:54:16 Again, interesting. Speaker A 00:54:17 So many of my patients say, oh, yeah, I do drink three liters, four liters, five liters of Brita, for example. Speaker A 00:54:23 There are other companies out there. Speaker A 00:54:26 You want to rehydrate it again. Speaker A 00:54:27 So some filters put the minerals back in. Speaker A 00:54:30 Some people put a pinch of himalayan salt, celtic salt, redmond salt, and they've all got different properties. Speaker A 00:54:36 I like Redmond relight personally. Speaker A 00:54:39 It's a brand I use now I've used for a couple of years. Speaker B 00:54:42 And it's salt or it's a remineralization product? Speaker A 00:54:46 It's a bit of both. Speaker A 00:54:47 So it comes from the Redmond dead Sea. Speaker A 00:54:50 It's an ancient seabed, and it's got the, it's got the perfect ratio of potassium, sodium, calcium, et cetera, magnesium. Speaker B 00:54:59 Redmond. Speaker A 00:55:00 Redmond. Speaker A 00:55:00 Yeah. Speaker B 00:55:01 Okay. Speaker A 00:55:02 I'll ping you over a discount code afterwards. Speaker B 00:55:04 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker B 00:55:05 Cool. Speaker A 00:55:06 It's really good. Speaker B 00:55:07 Yeah. Speaker A 00:55:07 Doctor James Denicolangelo, he kind of created this product with redmond themselves. Speaker A 00:55:13 So it's got no artificial colors, flavorings, preservatives. Speaker A 00:55:16 No shit. Speaker B 00:55:17 Yeah, nice. Speaker A 00:55:19 Normal salt works. Speaker B 00:55:20 So filtered water or cleaned water, but then remineralized. Speaker A 00:55:25 Yeah,

yeah. Speaker B 00:55:26 And that should be the bulk of what you're taking in. Speaker A 00:55:28 Correct. Speaker B 00:55:30 Teas and coffees and caffeinated stuff. Speaker B 00:55:32 Do you have to, like, I I normally say to patients, because I see a lot of patients, that they got dry eyes, and first thing I ask them, do you drink enough water? Speaker B 00:55:42 They say, well, I have, you know, lots of cups of tea or whatever, and I normally say, like, if you have a caffeinated. Speaker B 00:55:46 I don't know, I might, I might have just made this up. Speaker B 00:55:48 I normally say if you, if you have a caffeinated drink, you can kind of discount it. Speaker B 00:55:52 So, like, if you have a cup of tea, then you also need a glass of water. Speaker B 00:55:56 You can't just say, oh, I'd eight cups of tea. Speaker A 00:55:58 Because the caffeine, yes, by definition, they're diuretics. Speaker B 00:56:01 Yeah. Speaker A 00:56:02 But also what people are not aware about teas and coffees and other things with tannins in them. Speaker A 00:56:06 They also block the absorption of iron and b twelve. Speaker A 00:56:10 And they fight magnesium absorption. Speaker A 00:56:12 So you're not just dehydrating yourself. Speaker A 00:56:15 You're also blocking the absorption of other nutrients, which also helps to dehydrate you and helps to make you more tired. Speaker B 00:56:22 So tea would be more of a problem than coffee. Speaker B 00:56:25 Coffee. Speaker B 00:56:26 No tannins in coffee. Speaker B 00:56:27 Right? Speaker A 00:56:28 There are tannins in coffee. Speaker B 00:56:29 There are. Speaker A 00:56:29 But you get more bitter teas sometimes, especially if you're drinking those really fancy green teas now. Speaker A 00:56:34 But on the other hand, bitters are good for you. Speaker A 00:56:36 They're good for digestion, but they also do block absorption. Speaker A 00:56:40 So you want to have them at separate times. Speaker B 00:56:41 It's a real puzzle, isn't it? Speaker A 00:56:43 Correct. Speaker B 00:56:43 Trying to, like, navigate through too much of this and not enough of that? Speaker A 00:56:48 Yeah, yeah. Speaker B 00:56:49 Okay, so, but, but like, number one take home, let's say, is about three liters, probably for most people, depending on. Speaker A 00:56:58 If you're a 70 kilo person. Speaker A 00:56:59 Yeah. Speaker A 00:56:59 So that's just a base with some mineralization that doesn't include any medication, any supplements or training. Speaker B 00:57:07 And is there a rule of thumb to add in, let's say, an hour of jujitsu? Speaker A 00:57:11 750 mils? Speaker A 00:57:12 Okay, yeah, about 750. Speaker A 00:57:14 But that should be done during the workout, right. Speaker B 00:57:18 And that should be just water or. Speaker A 00:57:19 That can be remineralization, definitely. Speaker B 00:57:22 But no, no sugar, no carbs. Speaker A 00:57:24 That's if you need it. Speaker A 00:57:26 Again,

it depends how long your training is going to be for. Speaker A 00:57:28 Depends how low your body fat is. Speaker A 00:57:30 And it depends if you're retraining again. Speaker A 00:57:33 Again, there's no such thing as overtraining, only under recovering. Speaker B 00:57:36 And what's your thoughts on. Speaker B 00:57:39 So I remember from my sort of old bodybuilding magazine days, there was like a, there was like a long spell, which I think now is maybe has been disproven. Speaker B 00:57:52 But there was, there was a fair period of time where they said after you train, you got like a 30 minutes window where you should get in. Speaker B 00:58:00 I don't know. Speaker B 00:58:01 60 grams of carbs, 30 grams of aminos that there's like a window open where the body will process that, stick it straight back in the muscles and the liver and whatever. Speaker B 00:58:10 And if you miss that, you kind of slow your recovery down by 60% or whatever. Speaker B 00:58:17 But I think I'd heard more recently, like, it's not really that time. Speaker A 00:58:21 Yeah, no, it is time critical, but it isn't 30 minutes. Speaker B 00:58:27 Right. Speaker A 00:58:27 And Doctor Lane Norton does a lot of research on this and I think another guy called Bill, another doctor, there's lots of research out that says the window is actually much longer. Speaker A 00:58:38 But the problem is the rate of protein degradation versus protein synthesis is different for every person. Speaker B 00:58:45 Right. Speaker A 00:58:45 So, you know, if you're at 6% body fat, you may want to replenish a hell of a lot quicker than someone that's at 15% body fat because. Speaker B 00:58:55 The body will use the body fat to fill in what it's missing. Speaker A 00:58:59 Yeah. Speaker A 00:58:59 So when people say about the body breaks down muscle for fuel, it isn't that quick and the body's preferred energy system. Speaker A 00:59:07 So it isn't likely you're going to break down muscle in half an hour after a workout. Speaker A 00:59:11 What I would say is as long as you're feeling yourself before the workout, you haven't got to worry so much about fueling immediately after. Speaker A 00:59:20 If you've done a fasted workout, if you've not eaten breakfast and you've gone to the gym at 1011, done a HIIT workout, strength conditioning, I would say yes. Speaker A 00:59:30 Make sure you eat quickly afterwards. Speaker A 00:59:32 If you've just smashed breakfast and smashed lunch and then gone for a workout at two, you haven't got to be, oh shit, it's hoppos. Speaker A 00:59:39 Three. Speaker A 00:59:39 I must eat. Speaker B 00:59:40 You can kind of almost feel it, right? Speaker B 00:59:42 Like if you haven't really eaten very much and you have a workout, you feel afterwards like, I think I need some nutrition. Speaker B 00:59:48 There's other times when you're like, I need to not eat for another 5 hours. Speaker A 00:59:52 Yeah. Speaker A 00:59:52 And again, it does

depend on what phase of training you're at. Speaker A 00:59:55 Are you, you know, what are you trying to achieve from this training that will determine how quickly you have to eat. Speaker B 01:00:01 Right. Speaker B 01:00:01 Water carbs before training? Speaker A 01:00:04 Sleep. Speaker B 01:00:05 Sleep. Speaker B 01:00:06 What, what should you aim for? Speaker B 01:00:08 And napping. Speaker B 01:00:10 No napping. Speaker A 01:00:11 Nappings are good. Speaker B 01:00:12 Yeah. Speaker B 01:00:13 And what about sort of like, I don't know, routine or tips or whatever to get better sleep? Speaker B 01:00:20 Deeper sleep. Speaker A 01:00:20 Okay. Speaker A 01:00:21 So one thing I will say and I'm just gonna stick it out there and there's people is gonna be hating me for this, but I don't care if you're absolutely knackered, don't train. Speaker A 01:00:31 You're at so much higher risk of injury. Speaker A 01:00:33 Now, if you want to put your gear on, go and watch, get involved, be around them. Speaker A 01:00:39 Ask someone you trust to flow roll, but don't go to the gym and try and smash a workout. Speaker B 01:00:44 Look at the black belts where they're going wrong. Speaker B 01:00:45 Oh, you should get the other grip over there, mate. Speaker A 01:00:49 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker A 01:00:50 That's not a triangle, mate. Speaker A 01:00:51 Switch it up. Speaker A 01:00:53 Okay, so my top tips for sleep is waking up the same time every day, regardless. Speaker A 01:01:00 I don't care if it's a day off, bank holiday, Monday, Christmas, get yourself in that rhythm of waking up at the same time every day. Speaker B 01:01:07 Is that same time like the same time or have you got 20 minutes, half an hour? Speaker B 01:01:15 An hour? Speaker A 01:01:17 We have got time allowances because it depends when the sun's rising. Speaker A 01:01:20 If we were sleeping outside with no alarm clocks, no clothing, no houses, etcetera, the sun would wake you up. Speaker B 01:01:26 But that, would that change two minutes every day? Speaker B 01:01:28 Right. Speaker B 01:01:28 So it's a very gentle, so it's. Speaker A 01:01:30 A gentle, it's a gentle change. Speaker A 01:01:33 Look, if you're getting up at six every day for work and it's Saturday and Sunday, you won't get up at seven. Speaker A 01:01:38 Half seven. Speaker A 01:01:39 I don't see that being the end of the world. Speaker A 01:01:41 Getting up at 1111 on Sunday and then trying to get back up. Speaker A 01:01:46 Get up, it's half five, Monday morning, not happening. Speaker B 01:01:49 But is it, so is it, is it more of a problem on to do it on the Sunday morning than on the Saturday morning? Speaker B 01:02:00 Because this, because the Sunday morning, this Monday morning is the problem, isn't it? Speaker A 01:02:03 Yeah. Speaker B 01:02:04 You wake up at eleven, then you don't get proper sleep till 03:00 in the morning and then you're waking up at 05:00 whereas on the,

let's say Friday night. Speaker A 01:02:12 Yeah, I get you saying that's good. Speaker A 01:02:13 That's a good question actually, because over. Speaker B 01:02:14 The weekend, mate, I mean, I actually agree with you. Speaker B 01:02:16 So I set my alarm for 540 every morning and this morning I got up at maybe quarter seven. Speaker B 01:02:23 Yeah, without an alarm. Speaker B 01:02:25 I woke up a little bit earlier. Speaker B 01:02:26 The cats always, they know, like normally 540. Speaker B 01:02:29 So they're like, feed me, where's the fucking breakfast, man? Speaker B 01:02:31 Like I was awake from 540 but just not like awake. Speaker B 01:02:36 But you know, I feel much better being consistent with my, the time. Speaker B 01:02:41 I'll get out of bed and then I will, I will tend to try and have a daytime napdeh like whenever I can fit one in, quite often, even at work, I just shut my door at lunchtime. Speaker B 01:02:53 I got a yoga mat. Speaker B 01:02:54 Just lie down on the mat for 20 minutes. Speaker A 01:02:56 Naps are good. Speaker B 01:02:57 Power nap and power nap. Speaker A 01:02:57 Exactly. Speaker A 01:02:59 Yeah. Speaker A 01:02:59 I think actually thinking about your question, I think actually, yeah, doing it on the Sunday would be much more, much more detrimental to your health than doing on a Saturday. Speaker A 01:03:07 Because at least you're backing a bit of a rhythm for Monday again. Speaker A 01:03:11 But yeah, getting up at the same time every day, that would be a big takeaway. Speaker A 01:03:15 A big key thing. Speaker A 01:03:17 Bedtime routines, supplementing before bed, sleeping in a dark room. Speaker A 01:03:21 There's all these things that we can go into and they're big topics. Speaker A 01:03:25 They're big topics. Speaker A 01:03:26 But people sleep in rooms that are not pitch black anymore. Speaker A 01:03:29 There's a charging light somewhere, or there's the street lamp or there's a light from the tv or something's hitting you. Speaker A 01:03:36 If any light hits your skin at any part of your body, your body thinks it's wake up time. Speaker B 01:03:42 Yeah. Speaker B 01:03:42 Apparently it messes up your melatonin. Speaker A 01:03:44 Yeah. Speaker B 01:03:45 If you, if. Speaker B 01:03:46 Because I can't remember who I remembered talking about it but was saying like if you check your mobile phone or whatever, like for the whole rest of the night, the melatonin thing is just completely gone. Speaker A 01:04:02 Yeah. Speaker B 01:04:02 Like just 1 second. Speaker A 01:04:03 That's correct. Speaker B 01:04:04 Ruined. Speaker A 01:04:04 I was having this discussion with Adam at my club, one of the black belts, firefighter, fantastic polish beast, we call him, and we're talking about just going to the Wii in the middle of the night. Speaker A 01:04:17 Some of his family members put the lights on. Speaker A 01:04:19 He's asked me, what do I think? Speaker A 01:04:21 If you

can keep the light off, if you can get like a little nightlight, if, you know. Speaker B 01:04:25 Is this the argument? Speaker A 01:04:26 I've just sit on the seat. Speaker A 01:04:27 I know where men. Speaker A 01:04:27 And we stand. Speaker A 01:04:28 Just sit on the seat. Speaker A 01:04:29 Okay. Speaker A 01:04:29 We'll spray everywhere. Speaker B 01:04:30 That's what she says. Speaker B 01:04:31 Like, what do you do? Speaker B 01:04:32 I'm like, um, I'm aiming for the lou man. Speaker B 01:04:36 I'm, you know, I'm trying to piss on every. Speaker A 01:04:38 I do not put the light on for a week. Speaker A 01:04:40 If I do wake up at night, which I don't. Speaker A 01:04:43 I really do. Speaker A 01:04:43 I really do. Speaker B 01:04:44 What I, what I try to do now is I won't drink too much fluids after probably eight in the evening, let's say, because previously, you know, if I, if I wasn't paying attention to my fluids, then I get to 10:00 and I'd think, oh, I haven't drunk anything for the last 3 hours. Speaker A 01:05:00 Right. Speaker B 01:05:00 I better have a. Speaker B 01:05:01 A couple of glasses of water and then like, go to sleep for 3 hours and you wake up because you need a pee. Speaker B 01:05:06 Whereas now try to drink more fluids through the day, but kind of taper it off more in the evening so that I don't have to wake up. Speaker A 01:05:14 This is a problem. Speaker A 01:05:14 So lots of people say to me, but I'm weeing all night, or now I'm drinking three liters or four liters, I'm weeing all day. Speaker A 01:05:21 And the problem with that is they're not absorbing it, they're not holding it in there in themselves. Speaker A 01:05:26 So a good thing for that would be creatine and hydration salts or hydration minerals. Speaker B 01:05:33 So are you a proponent of creatine? Speaker A 01:05:35 100% for everybody. Speaker A 01:05:36 Yeah, everyone. Speaker A 01:05:38 Creatine monohydrates. Speaker B 01:05:39 Yeah, I did it when I was. Speaker A 01:05:40 Younger, but I think people do it for bodybuilding and for getting big. Speaker B 01:05:44 Yeah, I wanted to be. Speaker A 01:05:45 Creatine is neuro protective. Speaker B 01:05:47 Okay. Speaker A 01:05:48 Creatine helps your body retain intracellular hydration, which means there's more potential for ATP. Speaker A 01:05:54 It increases your creatine phosphate system. Speaker A 01:05:57 So creatine is a fantastic substance for everyone, whether you lift, train, old, young. Speaker B 01:06:05 And creatine in terms of food, a lot in meat. Speaker B 01:06:08 Right. Speaker B 01:06:09 But you could still benefit from supplementation. Speaker A 01:06:12 Definitely. Speaker A 01:06:13 Sort of the proven sort of dosage of what's optimal each day is 5 grams creatine. Speaker B 01:06:19 Don't need to load. Speaker A 01:06:20 Don't need to load. Speaker A 01:06:21 That's an old myth. Speaker A 01:06:22 If you want to, you can load, but loading phase isn't a requirement in the same way as you've come up, if you've come off it for a few months, you don't need to load it again. Speaker A 01:06:33 You just go back to 5 grams a day. Speaker A 01:06:35 Some people, though, do get digestive issues at 5 grams. Speaker A 01:06:38 So I would say 1 gram a day, then two, then three, then four. Speaker B 01:06:43 So you do what, a week? Speaker B 01:06:44 A gram? Speaker A 01:06:45 Yeah, a week, yeah. Speaker A 01:06:46 See how it goes. Speaker B 01:06:48 Kidney problems. Speaker A 01:06:50 Only if you've got a pre existing, medically proven kidney disease or kidney deficiency of some sort. Speaker B 01:06:58 Otherwise irrelevant. Speaker A 01:06:59 Irrelevant. Speaker A 01:06:59 And that's been proven time and time again. Speaker A 01:07:02 I'm not saying don't be, no, be bashful, don't care about that. Speaker A 01:07:06 If it's in your family, maybe get a creatine, get a blood test, kidney function, liver function. Speaker A 01:07:12 But for most people, it's totally fine. Speaker A 01:07:15 I'm a big fan of Korea pure, so brand crea pure. Speaker A 01:07:20 They're a german, german kind of manufacturer, and they, they quality, mark and quality seal the purest forms of creatine monohydrate. Speaker B 01:07:29 Right. Speaker A 01:07:29 So many brands sell creature like reflex. Speaker A 01:07:32 You go onto Amazon, you type in creatine monohydrate reflex comes up black tub. Speaker A 01:07:36 It's creepy. Speaker B 01:07:37 Those are the hologram label in it. Speaker A 01:07:39 And it's cheap. Speaker A 01:07:40 Yeah, but it's crea pure sealed. Speaker B 01:07:42 Gotcha. Speaker A 01:07:43 It's clean. Speaker A 01:07:44 Don't get caught up in this. Speaker A 01:07:45 Expensive, you know? Speaker B 01:07:46 Yeah. Speaker B 01:07:46 Because they had. Speaker B 01:07:47 There was a phase where they had all these ones that were different esters. Speaker A 01:07:52 Creating KRG and a card AKG and all these different. Speaker A 01:07:56 Yeah, they're all good. Speaker A 01:07:57 They all do different things. Speaker A 01:07:59 But monohydrate has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be the best and the cheapest. Speaker B 01:08:04 Yeah. Speaker A 01:08:05 Okay. Speaker A 01:08:05 That will also help with wing all night as well. Speaker B 01:08:09 But. Speaker B 01:08:10 But if you. Speaker B 01:08:14 I mean, with the weeing thing, is that because you're not holding on to the water? Speaker B 01:08:19 Because it. Speaker B 01:08:20 Because you would think, like, if it's. Speaker B 01:08:23 If it's because you're not holding on to water, at some point you would still get back to equilibrium and you're not peeing all night. Speaker B 01:08:31 Would you. Speaker B 01:08:32 Would you say, like, say, say I'm having three liters a day and I'm consistent with that, and I'm peeing all night because I'm not holding onto the water. Speaker B 01:08:42 At

some point, I would pee out four litres of water, and then that. Speaker A 01:08:47 Three would balance what you want to do. Speaker A 01:08:51 You want to take your three liter target and you want to divide it by how many hours you're awake each day. Speaker A 01:08:56 In an ideal world, 250 mls per hour, which would eliminate you weeing out a liter and a half between ten and three in the morning. Speaker B 01:09:06 Yeah, I normally it should be an out that says, like, break time, lunchtime, and say, like, if you get to lunchtime and your bottle is still full. Speaker A 01:09:17 Yeah. Speaker A 01:09:18 If you've got to two in the afternoon and your water's still at the same level at 10:00 a.m. Speaker A 01:09:23 you fucked up. Speaker A 01:09:24 Yeah, I've got a nice glass bottle now. Speaker A 01:09:27 I like glass bottles. Speaker A 01:09:28 It does. Speaker A 01:09:29 It tastes so much better. Speaker B 01:09:30 It does. Speaker A 01:09:31 The molecule balance is safer. Speaker B 01:09:32 I 100%. Speaker B 01:09:33 I mean, plastic is just evil. Speaker A 01:09:35 It is evil, but neither so much of it. Speaker A 01:09:37 What do you do of it? Speaker B 01:09:37 Yeah, I mean, I kind of. Speaker B 01:09:39 Again, I sort of keep coming back to the. Speaker B 01:09:46 That kind of concept of what. Speaker B 01:09:49 What's actually sustainable for me. Speaker B 01:09:51 Like, yes, I would like the reverse osmosis filled water, and then I remineralize it and I put it in the sun for ten minutes, just at sunrise. Speaker A 01:09:59 And a little magnet in there as well. Speaker B 01:10:01 Yeah. Speaker B 01:10:01 Shanghai. Speaker B 01:10:02 And this. Speaker B 01:10:03 I'm not gonna. Speaker B 01:10:04 No, that's gonna last a week. Speaker A 01:10:05 It's like when people say, you've heard this before, what's the best diet? Speaker A 01:10:09 Or the one you can stick to? Speaker A 01:10:10 What's the best training split for me? Speaker A 01:10:12 The best one you can stick to. Speaker A 01:10:13 There's no point in me telling a patient to drink four liters if they're currently drinking half a litre. Speaker A 01:10:18 They feel like they're failed even at two and a half litres. Speaker A 01:10:21 So, you know, the old fashioned, the smart acronym, set smart goals. Speaker A 01:10:25 Is it achievable? Speaker A 01:10:26 Can you manage that? Speaker A 01:10:27 You may not be able to, you know, do perineal sun dancing in the morning, but if you got like a little bedlamp at work in front of your face. Speaker B 01:10:37 Yeah, yeah. Speaker B 01:10:38 I can't expose my perineum at work. Speaker A 01:10:41 No, you can't get your anus out. Speaker B 01:10:43 So, all right, water, mineralized water, sleep creatine, correct carbs before training. Speaker A 01:10:51 Yeah. Speaker B 01:10:52 What else? Speaker B 01:10:53 What does my nutrition look like for the rest of the week? Speaker B 01:10:57 So, like, maybe on non training days, if I've got non training days and sort of a not around training. Speaker B 01:11:04 So I mean, intermittent fasting, prolonged fasting. Speaker A 01:11:07 If you can, restricted if you can cope with it. Speaker A 01:11:10 So, you know, telling someone to fast that's got disordered eating or an eating disorder, they may be in a calorie deficit for that hour or that day, but they're more likely to incline to overeat at lunch or dinner. Speaker A 01:11:25 So you have to look at the mental state of the person before you start suggesting fasting of any sort, then saying that fasting is good for DNA repair, for telomere repair. Speaker A 01:11:38 So you have to look at fasting is a good thing to do. Speaker A 01:11:43 So maybe rather than missing out breakfast or missing out a whole day or two or three, you could just get someone new, like a newbie, to have dinner a bit earlier and breakfast a bit later. Speaker B 01:11:53 Yeah. Speaker B 01:11:53 So the overnight is the easiest thing. Speaker A 01:11:55 It is the easiest thing and it's sustainable for most people. Speaker A 01:11:57 But if you're saying to me, film it, I can do it, I say, yeah, good. Speaker A 01:12:00 Do a 24 hours, one week. Speaker B 01:12:03 Have you done any, like, prolonged. Speaker A 01:12:04 Yeah, four days has been my long. Speaker A 01:12:06 Five days. Speaker A 01:12:06 I've done a five day fast. Speaker A 01:12:08 That was water fast day. Speaker A 01:12:10 I've not done a no water fast. Speaker B 01:12:12 Oh, no dry sounds. Speaker A 01:12:13 Now, I don't want to do that personally, but I know evolutionally it's good for us because we have evolved to be adaptive, do you think we have to off at some point been through periods of drought. Speaker A 01:12:26 I don't think three days without water. Speaker B 01:12:29 Don't think it will kill you. Speaker B 01:12:32 I mean, the way that I. Speaker B 01:12:34 Cause I was speaking again to my osteopath about it and a couple of other people about dry fasting and water fasting. Speaker B 01:12:42 I've never done dry fasting. Speaker B 01:12:44 I've done water fast a few times, but. Speaker B 01:12:47 And I didn't even. Speaker B 01:12:48 I was like, I don't even really understand, like, what's the point of doing a dry fast? Speaker B 01:12:53 And I. Speaker B 01:12:54 As my osteopath was saying to me that because you're dry fasting, it flushes out everything. Speaker B 01:13:01 But then it's really important, the fluids that you start to take in. Speaker B 01:13:06 So you want, like, your perfectly remineralized. Speaker A 01:13:09 You know, filtering, breaking the fast is so much more important than people realize. Speaker A 01:13:14 You can't just break it of any old shit. Speaker B 01:13:16 Yeah, you got. Speaker A 01:13:16 But you also can't go into a fast whilst just consuming loads of shit. Speaker B 01:13:21 Yes. Speaker A 01:13:21 You wouldn't want to go through,

you know, get one of those fancy Krispy Kremes. Speaker B 01:13:27 Yeah. Speaker A 01:13:27 You want to do a box of Krispy Kremes, say, oh, fuck it, I've eaten too much today, I'm gonna fast tomorrow. Speaker A 01:13:31 That's not good for you either. Speaker B 01:13:33 Yeah. Speaker B 01:13:33 Which is. Speaker B 01:13:34 Which kind of makes it that little bit more difficult, because if you want to do a three day or a four day or whatever, it's actually more like a week. Speaker A 01:13:40 It's a bit longer because you want to prepare your body and your colon and your digestive tract into it. Speaker B 01:13:45 Yeah. Speaker A 01:13:45 And you want to prepare yourself out of it. Speaker B 01:13:46 Yeah. Speaker A 01:13:47 So it's not. Speaker A 01:13:48 This is why I don't just say to people, yeah, fast. Speaker A 01:13:51 I'd rather you get an equal balance of nutrition throughout the whole week, equal balance of protein daily, regardless whether you train or not. Speaker A 01:13:59 The only thing that fluctuates, really, are your carbs and fats. Speaker B 01:14:02 So. Speaker B 01:14:03 So coming back to, like, I don't know, a broad recommendation for food. Speaker B 01:14:10 Are you doing like, a third, a third, a third. Speaker B 01:14:13 Protein, carbs, fat, what's your kind of macros? Speaker B 01:14:17 And can you. Speaker B 01:14:18 Can you overdo it on fats and eat too many eggs? Speaker B 01:14:21 And, like, do you have a sort of broad guidelines that you would give people? Speaker A 01:14:26 Yeah. Speaker A 01:14:26 Broad guideline would have to be eat Mother Nature. Speaker A 01:14:29 That's. Speaker A 01:14:30 I mean, the only kind of broad guideline I could give is if it runs, flies, swims or grows, eat it. Speaker B 01:14:36 Yeah. Speaker A 01:14:37 I don't think it'll be fair without a specific analysis to say how much protein, fats and carbs anyone should be eating. Speaker A 01:14:46 That's one thing. Speaker A 01:14:47 If you were to say to me at the beginning of this podcast, one thing that really pisses you off, and I'd say broad spectrum statements on Instagram, when people come out of this random bollocks that you must do this, you must do that, you must for everyone that applies to me and to her and to him and to him. Speaker A 01:15:03 So the only safest broad spectrum I could say is to eat Mother Nature. Speaker B 01:15:08 Yeah. Speaker A 01:15:10 The safest thing I could say is don't eliminate food groups. Speaker A 01:15:14 Just be mindful of how it's been produced. Speaker A 01:15:18 Ultra processing versus processing versus natural, because they're all different. Speaker A 01:15:25 I'm a big fan of eating carbohydrates. Speaker A 01:15:28 They're not essential. Speaker A 01:15:30 Carbohydrates are not essential, but neither is a mobile phone. Speaker A 01:15:34 Try living without one. Speaker A 01:15:36 And that's what I tell everyone. Speaker B 01:15:38 Carbs. Speaker B 01:15:39 More useful for people that are physically performing or not necessarily carbs are useful. Speaker A 01:15:47 For everyone, but those that are physically performing and physically at their peak can utilize more. Speaker A 01:15:54 But then we've got a carb as in a blueberry or a carb as in a bagel. Speaker A 01:15:59 A carb as in, you know, a strawberry versus a carb as in a doughnut. Speaker A 01:16:04 They're still carbohydrates. Speaker A 01:16:05 They're still a form of sugar. Speaker A 01:16:07 Is that one type is so much better for the body than the other type? Speaker B 01:16:11 Yeah. Speaker B 01:16:11 So again, just coming back to your, like, if it grows, eat it. Speaker B 01:16:14 You want some carbs, go get some fruit or go have a sweet potato. Speaker A 01:16:18 Correct. Speaker A 01:16:18 Yeah. Speaker A 01:16:19 That's not to say I don't eat cake. Speaker A 01:16:21 I don't eat cake as often as some people. Speaker A 01:16:24 I think eating some fun food is good. Speaker A 01:16:27 Maybe a rule of thumb that I live by is 80 20, which you would have heard this before, 80% of your food. Speaker A 01:16:35 Mother nature, 20%, 2024 food. Speaker A 01:16:39 Now I perform better on about 90. Speaker A 01:16:42 Ten. Speaker A 01:16:44 My physical health, my mental health, and my spiritual well being starts to decline rapidly. Speaker A 01:16:51 About 75%. Speaker B 01:16:53 Yeah, I mean, it's just, you know, I think the older you get, or maybe just the more time you think about it, the more you do tune into, like, why did I eat that? Speaker A 01:17:02 Yeah, but you feel it. Speaker B 01:17:03 Feel straight away, like. Speaker A 01:17:05 So that's called biofeedback. Speaker B 01:17:06 Yeah. Speaker B 01:17:07 Fucking biofuel. Speaker A 01:17:09 A task that I give some patients to do is when you wake up in the morning, ask yourself, how do I feel? Speaker A 01:17:16 How do I feel? Speaker A 01:17:19 Then think about the answer days, but think about the answer do I feel refreshed? Speaker A 01:17:25 Do I feel tired? Speaker A 01:17:25 Do I feel bloated? Speaker A 01:17:26 Do I feel constipated and bunged up? Speaker A 01:17:28 Do I feel thirsty? Speaker A 01:17:30 Do I feel energized and happy and bouncing? Speaker A 01:17:32 That biofeedback is so important. Speaker A 01:17:35 We no longer ask ourselves questions. Speaker A 01:17:37 We, you know, we go shopping and we ask ourselves, what do we fancy? Speaker A 01:17:41 Not what do I need? Speaker A 01:17:43 So just, you know, if everyone listens to this, does one thing tomorrow morning is to wake up and ask yourself, how do I feel? Speaker B 01:17:50 And would you say, would you, do you advise people to actually kind of journal that and journal other stuff during. Speaker A 01:17:55 The day if it isn't stressful for them? Speaker A 01:17:57 Again, I'm a big, I know I'm annoying with my answers, but telling someone to write something down.

Speaker A 01:18:03 Yeah, but stressful. Speaker B 01:18:05 Assume it's non stressful because I think probably a lot of people that listen to this are jujitsu people and most jiu jitsu people, if you tell them, this will probably make your jujitsu 1% better, it's pretty easy. Speaker B 01:18:17 Just have a little notebook or a bit of paper by the bed. Speaker B 01:18:21 That's something that most people go, yeah, you know what? Speaker B 01:18:23 I can do that. Speaker B 01:18:23 Get up in the morning instead of just going straight on Insta, I just go, how do I feel? Speaker A 01:18:28 I would say first thing in the morning, avoid the phone like the plague, avoid any social media, avoid any stimulants like the plague. Speaker A 01:18:36 First thing in the morning. Speaker B 01:18:37 For how long? Speaker A 01:18:38 As long as you possibly can. Speaker A 01:18:39 If you're a business owner and you've got to check your messages, is your patient coming at eight? Speaker B 01:18:45 But if it's just insta. Speaker A 01:18:47 Insta bollocks, leave it an hour, 2 hours. Speaker B 01:18:50 What's your, what's your. Speaker B 01:18:52 I know, we're jumping all over the place. Speaker A 01:18:53 Yeah. Speaker B 01:18:53 What's your routine in the morning? Speaker B 01:18:55 Do you. Speaker B 01:18:55 So what I started doing, and I started doing it during COVID in the lockdown because we. Speaker B 01:19:01 The shop was shut for a month and I was home and I always wanted to do the wim hof breathing. Speaker B 01:19:09 And I was like, I don't. Speaker B 01:19:10 I was really stressed about starting doing it because I was like, I know I'm going to get like really lightheaded and feel really dizzy. Speaker B 01:19:18 Then I was off work for a month. Speaker B 01:19:19 I was like, fuck it. Speaker B 01:19:20 Like, if I feel dizzy, I just go back to bed, not a problem. Speaker B 01:19:23 So I started doing it and I've done it. Speaker B 01:19:25 I reckon I miss, I don't know, maybe like four or five days a month, maybe even less since then. Speaker B 01:19:32 Last four years, just, I wait. Speaker A 01:19:33 How have you found it's helped you? Speaker B 01:19:35 It's probably one of the best things that I've ever incorporated into, like, my life. Speaker B 01:19:42 So basically what. Speaker B 01:19:44 What I do. Speaker B 01:19:44 So I set the alarm for 540. Speaker B 01:19:47 I don't need to get up, really, till about seven, but I set the alarm for 540. Speaker B 01:19:50 I will normally be out of bed by ten to six. Speaker B 01:19:52 So it might be 535 40. Speaker B 01:19:55 If I'm a little bit kind of groggy, I'll just put it on, snooze, and then I'll get myself out of bed after ten minutes. Speaker B 01:20:01 Don't put any lights on. Speaker B 01:20:03 I mean, obviously in the summer, it's like, in the winter, don't put any lights on. Speaker B 01:20:07 Get to the. Speaker B 01:20:07 Get to the kitchen. Speaker B 01:20:08 Try and find the cat biscuits. Speaker B 01:20:10 Throw them some biscuits on the floor. Speaker A 01:20:12 Literally. Speaker B 01:20:13 Literally. Speaker B 01:20:14 Literally, yeah, get. Speaker B 01:20:15 Put my robe on, put a hat on. Speaker B 01:20:17 You know, you put, like, warm clothes on. Speaker B 01:20:19 And then I've got on the laptop, I've got. Speaker B 01:20:22 There's a wim hof. Speaker B 01:20:23 Follow along. Speaker B 01:20:24 Little breathing thing. Speaker B 01:20:25 Like three. Speaker B 01:20:26 The one that's on YouTube is a 1 minute breath hold, 1 minute breath hold, one and a half minutes. Speaker B 01:20:31 I edited it, so I've got one and a half, two and a half, three and a half. Speaker B 01:20:35 So it's 30 deep breaths and then a breath hold. Speaker B 01:20:39 So I'll go in a spare room, lie down, put my headphones on, put a blanket, and I'll just do that pretty much every morning. Speaker B 01:20:47 And I would say in terms of, like, waking up, in terms of releasing a lot of the, you know, like, the day after jujitsu, you know, I get out bed and I'm Christ. Speaker B 01:20:59 Like, my ankle or my back, like, I got a herniated disc in my back anyway. Speaker B 01:21:04 So five days out of seven, when I get out of bed, it fucking hurts. Speaker B 01:21:08 So. Speaker B 01:21:08 But all the. Speaker B 01:21:09 Whatever just got spanned the day before or the last few days before, you know, you get out of bed and you're, like, a little bit hurt, I. Speaker B 01:21:16 After I do the breathing, a lot of that 50, 60% is gone. Speaker B 01:21:20 So I'll do. Speaker B 01:21:22 I'll do my three rounds of breathing and I'll have a very, very, very little stretch. Speaker B 01:21:27 So I'll just kind of stretch, like, my quads a little bit, my hip flexors, hamstrings, glutes, just a little bit. Speaker B 01:21:33 My lower back, just do them cat cow kind of things. Speaker B 01:21:37 And then I try and go four days a week maybe. Speaker B 01:21:41 It's probably about average. Speaker B 01:21:43 Around the corner, I've got a hill near me, I go downstairs, I put my trainers. Speaker B 01:21:46 I go to the hill. Speaker B 01:21:47 I run three or four, sometimes five hill sprints. Speaker B 01:21:50 It's not even a sprint. Speaker B 01:21:52 30 seconds up, 90 seconds down. Speaker B 01:21:55 So I walk up backwards once to warm my knees up. Speaker B 01:21:57 You know, the knees over toes. Speaker A 01:21:59 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker B 01:22:00 I do. Speaker B 01:22:00 I walk up backwards. Speaker B 01:22:01 I do three or four, five up and down, go back to the flat, and then I make a cup of tea and take a shit and go. Speaker A 01:22:09 Your morning routine kicks ass of mine. Speaker B 01:22:12 But I found, honestly, with the breathing, in terms of, like, waking my body up and kind of getting rid of little knots and tension and stuff was amazing. Speaker B 01:22:23 But in

terms of, like, de stressing, because I would previously, like, wake up and I don't know, it's, like, gonna be really busy at work or I've got to do something after work or whatever, and just be, like, a little bit in my head straight away in the morning of, like, oh, man. Speaker B 01:22:43 After I do that, I'm just so, like. Speaker B 01:22:47 I'm already completely zen. Speaker B 01:22:50 Have you done those? Speaker B 01:22:51 Breath hold. Speaker A 01:22:51 So I was lucky enough last year to go on the yoga BJJ retreat in Mallorca, and Daniel Strauss was there, and while doing with them lot, and I'd done the actual Wim Hof breathing and the ice bath training, and I never took it on board with me. Speaker A 01:23:08 I never actually took it back. Speaker B 01:23:09 Did you have a good experience? Speaker A 01:23:10 I did. Speaker A 01:23:11 I did. Speaker A 01:23:12 It was great. Speaker A 01:23:12 Great training, but I didn't bring it back to UK with me, so I know it. Speaker B 01:23:16 Yeah. Speaker A 01:23:17 That's why I'm asking you, how did it help you? Speaker B 01:23:18 Because it's, I would say, the most profound. Speaker A 01:23:22 My morning. Speaker A 01:23:24 I look forward to waking up and eating food. Speaker B 01:23:27 Right. Speaker A 01:23:27 So I. Speaker A 01:23:29 You say, what's my routine? Speaker A 01:23:31 Get up, go downstairs, feed the cats, open the back door. Speaker A 01:23:35 So don't start shouting at me to go out for a shit. Speaker A 01:23:37 Then I make food. Speaker A 01:23:39 So your morning routine, that's why you look so young. Speaker B 01:23:43 Yeah, but I mean, I think if you. Speaker B 01:23:45 I think if you've got one that works for you, you would say it's just the correct. Speaker A 01:23:49 So if I wake up achy and creaky, I usually attribute it to not enough magnesium, not enough sleep or hydration. Speaker B 01:23:57 So Epsom bath. Speaker A 01:23:59 Epsom baths are great. Speaker B 01:24:01 I love them. Speaker A 01:24:02 They are fantastic. Speaker A 01:24:04 But what you're doing in that breathing is you're resetting the vagus nerve, you're regulating your neurotransmitters, you're oxygenating your blood. Speaker B 01:24:13 You can really. Speaker A 01:24:14 So you're grounding yourself? Speaker B 01:24:15 Yeah. Speaker B 01:24:15 You can really feel it because we're in a flat as well. Speaker A 01:24:17 So in terms of actually above the ground as well. Speaker A 01:24:20 So grounding is important. Speaker A 01:24:22 That's one of the things that I. Speaker A 01:24:23 A big proponent of. Speaker A 01:24:25 That's how. Speaker A 01:24:25 That's my actual clinic is based on grounding. Speaker A 01:24:28 That's my work is based on. Speaker B 01:24:30 So grounding. Speaker B 01:24:32 She. Speaker A 01:24:32 100% is worth getting. Speaker A 01:24:34 100%. Speaker B 01:24:34 I keep thinking I should get one. Speaker B 01:24:36 I can't get one. Speaker B 01:24:38 Get one. Speaker A 01:24:38 Get one with the. Speaker B 01:24:40 It's like silver thread in it where. Speaker A 01:24:42 They play different types. Speaker A 01:24:43 There's one. Speaker A 01:24:43 There's one type where you hammer the rod into the muds and the. Speaker B 01:24:46 Is there something you recommend? Speaker B 01:24:47 Not necessarily. Speaker A 01:24:48 No. Speaker A 01:24:49 To be fair. Speaker A 01:24:49 No. Speaker A 01:24:50 That they all seem to do the same sort of thing because we'll have to have one. Speaker B 01:24:52 That earth's into the electric because we're in a flat. Speaker A 01:24:55 Go for it. Speaker B 01:24:55 Not hammering anything into the floor. Speaker A 01:24:57 It's not worth it. Speaker B 01:24:57 The neighbors will come through their stuff. Speaker A 01:25:00 Yeah. Speaker A 01:25:01 The grounding. Speaker A 01:25:02 Grounding is. Speaker A 01:25:03 Grounding is medicine. Speaker A 01:25:05 That we call it. Speaker A 01:25:06 That's just the statement. Speaker A 01:25:07 Grounding is medicine. Speaker B 01:25:09 Yeah. Speaker B 01:25:10 Okay, so I need to add that in. Speaker A 01:25:12 Definitely. Speaker A 01:25:12 And obviously, being more hydrated. Speaker A 01:25:15 Electro electrolyted, which isn't a real word, but it is now. Speaker A 01:25:18 That means that you can conduct more. Speaker B 01:25:20 Electricity, which is better. Speaker A 01:25:22 Better. Speaker A 01:25:24 We are energetic beings. Speaker A 01:25:25 This universe is energetic. Speaker A 01:25:27 So the more hydrated we are, the more we can be conductive, the more we can hold on to negative ions. Speaker A 01:25:33 That's health. Speaker B 01:25:34 Okay, what else? Speaker B 01:25:36 What are our other 80 20 easy. Speaker A 01:25:39 Takeaways for people 80 28% of the time? Speaker A 01:25:43 Live good, live mother nature, 20%. Speaker A 01:25:46 Do what the hell you want. Speaker A 01:25:47 If you're not already sick. Speaker A 01:25:50 If you're. Speaker A 01:25:50 If you're already sick, you haven't got the luxury of doing 80 20. Speaker A 01:25:54 It's 100%. Speaker A 01:25:56 You need to know, work out. Speaker A 01:25:57 Are you in this or not? Speaker A 01:26:02 It's tough to hear that when a new patient comes on board. Speaker A 01:26:06 Generally speaking, it's six weeks, eight weeks, ten weeks of 100%. Speaker A 01:26:11 We reassess. Speaker A 01:26:12 Can you now go to 90? Speaker A 01:26:14 Ten can you can't. Speaker A 01:26:16 You know, depends how it goes. Speaker B 01:26:18 Yeah. Speaker B 01:26:18 I mean, I guess the longer you leave things to address them, the more severe the treatment is. Speaker B 01:26:23 Correct. Speaker B 01:26:24 In that way, you have to treat. Speaker A 01:26:25 The disease and the level it's at. Speaker B 01:26:27 Yeah. Speaker A 01:26:27 It's that simple. Speaker A 01:26:28 If something's got hold of you and

it's deep, you've got to treat deep. Speaker B 01:26:33 So talk to me about energy. Speaker A 01:26:36 That's a topic that. Speaker A 01:26:38 How many more hours we got? Speaker A 01:26:41 Energy. Speaker A 01:26:41 Energy is everything. Speaker A 01:26:45 Einstein said, energy can neither be created nor dispelled. Speaker A 01:26:48 It simply transforms into other forms of energy. Speaker A 01:26:52 Therefore, we are living in an ever transforming yin yang energy cycle. Speaker A 01:26:59 That's what we are, that's what we're made of, that's what we're living on. Speaker A 01:27:03 Therefore, that's what medicine should be based on. Speaker B 01:27:06 But how would you. Speaker B 01:27:09 Because so I tell you, I tell you, kind of where I'm up to, and a lot of this is actually through the podcast, through having people on, had an energy healer on, had me a path on. Speaker B 01:27:23 But what, but my, and I, and I still haven't actually, like, really been able to crystallize it, because I just, I'm too lazy to sit down. Speaker B 01:27:31 And I, you know, actually kind of put it into a proper framework. Speaker B 01:27:35 But my, my kind of current model is that everything is energy and energetic, and energy is in a constant state of movement. Speaker B 01:27:46 So what we, what I think of as me is not actually me. Speaker B 01:27:50 It's just the energy that's here at the moment, and then it's in the table, then it's reviewing, and then it moves. Speaker B 01:27:54 And so you've got this kind of constant flow, let's say. Speaker B 01:28:00 And so, at a sort of a fundamental level, with the body being simply like an energetic system that's in constant flux, is constantly able to renew itself and change and modify, get healthier or less healthier or whatever. Speaker B 01:28:23 And so, on a most profound, powerful level, energy healing would be the ultimate kind of medicine. Speaker A 01:28:37 Yes, or health kind of medicine practice. Speaker A 01:28:40 Definitely. Speaker A 01:28:40 Yeah. Speaker B 01:28:41 And then one step down from that will be maybe like placebo type things where you kind of think yourself, well, which is still, it is energetic, but then there's, there's, there's like an actually a chemical process to thinking energy goes. Speaker A 01:29:01 Where the mind flows. Speaker B 01:29:02 Yeah, but it's, it's, there's, there's actually like, um, neurotransmitters and stuff. Speaker B 01:29:09 So it's like one level above just the energy, if that makes sense, one, one level of, of structure built on it. Speaker B 01:29:17 And then above that will be things like homeopathy, or taking herbs, or drinking remineralized water or whatever, where again, it's a still very broad kind of natural mechanism, but now you're talking about there are actual compounds or bonds between water molecules or whatever. Speaker B 01:29:42 So there's another layer of structure, and you could probably include maybe in that layer

things like massage and physical therapies and things. Speaker B 01:29:52 And then above that, you would have actual medications, manufactured medicines, which now you're starting to get into what I don't really think much use. Speaker B 01:30:05 And then you've got surgery, which is like, we just need to cut this shit off or stitch this shit up. Speaker B 01:30:12 Is that reasonable model? Speaker A 01:30:14 I would say it's pretty reasonable. Speaker A 01:30:16 I would say. Speaker A 01:30:18 I would say the top of that tree has to be self healing, and then below that is assisted healing. Speaker A 01:30:27 So self reiki versus yielding reiki on me. Speaker A 01:30:33 The self reiki should be the toppest, highest form. Speaker A 01:30:39 It's great. Speaker A 01:30:40 I mean, you've described it pretty well. Speaker A 01:30:42 Everything's energy, so movement is king. Speaker A 01:30:45 Without movement, there's stagnation. Speaker A 01:30:47 With stagnation comes death. Speaker A 01:30:50 So we create our own energetic charge from within via the heartbeats makes a vibration that resonance goes through. Speaker A 01:30:59 We've then got movement of muscles contracting and then they create different charges. Speaker A 01:31:06 But then we've also got the earth charge coming up from the ground. Speaker A 01:31:09 We think the sun's charge coming down. Speaker A 01:31:11 We've got the charge from what we eat and drink. Speaker A 01:31:14 We've then got, you know, energy donors and energy stealers. Speaker A 01:31:19 So this, this whole sort of talk about energy is quite a big, a big topic. Speaker A 01:31:25 Unfortunately, in this day and age, we have too many energy stealers or energy vampires versus energy donators. Speaker B 01:31:34 But a lot of that we do to ourselves through social media. Speaker B 01:31:37 Right, correct that. Speaker B 01:31:38 You're doom scrolling and getting angry. Speaker B 01:31:40 I fucking do it all the time. Speaker A 01:31:42 But there's other things that we actually can't really get away from. Speaker A 01:31:46 So a light bulb is an energy. Speaker B 01:31:50 Stealer, an led bulb. Speaker B 01:31:53 What about even an incandescent bulb? Speaker A 01:31:55 Yeah, they're different. Speaker A 01:31:56 But a normal light bulb, you would get in the office or in a doctor's surgery or dentists, they steal energy from us. Speaker A 01:32:04 Bluetooth, wifi, they steal energy. Speaker A 01:32:09 You ever hung around a really sick person? Speaker A 01:32:11 When an old person, you get tired, you get knackered. Speaker A 01:32:14 I mean, I had to go to my grandparents house. Speaker A 01:32:17 All three of us be sleeping on a sofa together. Speaker A 01:32:19 It would all look quite cute. Speaker A 01:32:20 I was full of energy when I got there. Speaker A 01:32:22 They required it more than me. Speaker A 01:32:26 People always say about when you get on a train, you get tired. Speaker A 01:32:29 People say, oh, yeah, it's the rocking. Speaker A 01:32:31 No, it's not, it's the electricity. Speaker A 01:32:34 Anything that runs on power has the ability to donate or steal. Speaker B 01:32:41 Interesting. Speaker A 01:32:42 Yes, the rocking might be a contributing factor, but you're sitting on a great big electromagnetic charge. Speaker A 01:32:50 And the more uncharged we are, the more ungrounded we are, the more at risk of health concerns. Speaker A 01:33:01 So I do a thing in my clinic which is called bet. Speaker A 01:33:05 So blood electrification therapy. Speaker A 01:33:07 I recharge the blood with negative ions. Speaker A 01:33:10 I add a negative ion charge around the outsides of blood cells. Speaker A 01:33:14 Negative repels negative. Speaker A 01:33:16 So therefore your blood's now not thinner by definition, but it's more fluid, which means there's more room for it to carry nutrients, for it to carry oxygen, and there's less risk of heart attacks, strokes, blood clots and other illnesses. Speaker A 01:33:32 It's the same. Speaker A 01:33:33 20 minutes of bet is the equivalent of 24 hours of walking around naked in the forest. Speaker A 01:33:39 You get the same. Speaker A 01:33:40 The same change. Speaker B 01:33:42 Yeah. Speaker B 01:33:43 We did. Speaker B 01:33:45 When we went to Bali, we did sound healing, kind of standing in front of energy healing. Speaker A 01:33:51 That's vibrations, that's frequencies. Speaker B 01:33:52 For that, you could literally feel it. Speaker B 01:33:55 And the guy was saying that they had started to do some university studies of doing a blood draw. Speaker A 01:34:01 Yes. Speaker B 01:34:02 And literally. Speaker B 01:34:03 So you do a blood draw and they put it under an electron microscope, whatever. Speaker A 01:34:07 Darkfield microscope. Speaker B 01:34:09 Yeah. Speaker B 01:34:09 And then they do a block gong, draw it again. Speaker B 01:34:13 And the blood cells are kind of happy and they're moving. Speaker A 01:34:16 Yes. Speaker A 01:34:17 I do that same test in my clinic, but with bet. Speaker B 01:34:20 Yeah. Speaker A 01:34:22 One of my patients is actually doing a PhD on gong baths and sound healing. Speaker A 01:34:29 When you hit that gong, the vibrational frequency goes through the resonant changes your body, takes what it requires, spits out what it doesn't. Speaker A 01:34:38 But your water molecules are vibrating inside. Speaker B 01:34:40 Yeah. Speaker A 01:34:41 So it's creating movement. Speaker B 01:34:42 Yeah. Speaker B 01:34:43 It was crazy. Speaker B 01:34:44 I mean, the guy was explaining it, but you could just feel it. Speaker A 01:34:46 Yeah. Speaker A 01:34:47 And you can't. Speaker A 01:34:47 Sometimes you feel sick in the sound bath, sometimes you cry. Speaker A 01:34:50 People fall asleep. Speaker B 01:34:51 Yeah. Speaker A 01:34:52 All different things happen. Speaker B 01:34:53 Yeah, yeah. Speaker

B 01:34:54 Really, really cool. Speaker B 01:34:55 So. Speaker B 01:34:55 And those sounding bowls as well, right? Speaker A 01:34:58 Yeah. Speaker A 01:34:59 Do you know, place them over different parts of your chakras or different body parts? Speaker B 01:35:03 We had just a crazy experience. Speaker B 01:35:06 So there's a. Speaker B 01:35:07 We came back from Bali and we were like, we need to get sounding bowl because they had all kinds of stuff there. Speaker B 01:35:14 We're like, let's get sounding bowl. Speaker B 01:35:15 They're really cool. Speaker B 01:35:16 So we went down. Speaker B 01:35:17 There was this place in Camden, I don't know if it's still there. Speaker B 01:35:19 That would. Speaker B 01:35:20 That's what they sold, just sounding bowls. Speaker B 01:35:22 Going to the shop. Speaker B 01:35:22 There was, oh, man, 5000 bowls in there. Speaker B 01:35:27 Giant ones, little ones, everything you can imagine. Speaker B 01:35:30 Go in, say to this guy, we're after a sounding bowl and he just kind of looks at me for like 20 seconds. Speaker B 01:35:39 He looks at kosher and he goes, hang on a minute, try this one. Speaker B 01:35:44 And he played it and it was amazing. Speaker B 01:35:46 And then we listened to 30 other ones and we're like, no, that one. Speaker B 01:35:52 I was like, how do you know? Speaker B 01:35:53 He's like, well, that bowl just told me. Speaker A 01:35:55 Yeah, correct. Speaker B 01:35:57 It was crazy. Speaker A 01:35:58 And you can also get another tuning forks when you bang them, and as you pull it over. Speaker A 01:36:04 So if you hold it over a certain area, the quicker that sound finishes, the more you've taken. Speaker A 01:36:10 So if you don't need it, that will just keep going and keep going and keep going and keep going and keep going. Speaker B 01:36:16 That's insane. Speaker A 01:36:17 I've got machines at work that I can modulate the frequencies, so if I'm treating someone's brain, I'll do a brain frequency. Speaker A 01:36:26 If I'm treating the body, I do a body frequency, and that's to sort of simulate the release of different neurotransmitters, or to upregulate or downregulate organ function, or even cell regeneration, because there's different functions run on different vibrations, but you always mix two different frequencies together. Speaker A 01:36:44 That way you get a harmonic resonance. Speaker A 01:36:47 That way it mixes, and you get indefinite vibrations. Speaker A 01:36:52 Same thing in the sound baths. Speaker A 01:36:55 That's why you mix different vibrations. Speaker A 01:36:57 And as they get to you, they mix, and your body takes what you've acquired, what you need, and doesn't take what it doesn't need. Speaker B 01:37:03 So you're using a whole load of different modalities to treat patients. Speaker A 01:37:08 Yeah. Speaker B 01:37:09 How do you decide upon that? Speaker B 01:37:11 If someone comes in and says, is it dependent on how

they presented or how do you decide where to go? Speaker A 01:37:18 Okay, nine and a half times out of ten, everyone gets some form of acupuncture from me. Speaker A 01:37:23 Some form, whether it's ancient TCM or even older or modern acupuncture, everyone gets acupuncture from me. Speaker A 01:37:30 Pretty much everyone. Speaker A 01:37:32 And pretty much everyone gets the electromachines, because they are grounding, earthing, recharging. Speaker A 01:37:39 They are healing by definition. Speaker A 01:37:42 But from there, some people might just get that. Speaker A 01:37:46 Some might get a talking, listening style therapy with that. Speaker A 01:37:52 Some of them might get left. Speaker A 01:37:54 If you're someone that comes in and you're always on the go, don't switch off, don't relax, don't chill. Speaker A 01:37:59 That's your treatment. Speaker A 01:38:00 Shut the hell up and chill. Speaker A 01:38:01 Don't move. Speaker A 01:38:02 They hate it. Speaker A 01:38:03 They hate it. Speaker A 01:38:04 But you're helping them go into that rest and digest that. Speaker A 01:38:08 They don't live in, they live in fight or flight. Speaker A 01:38:11 Some people come in, just get cupping, herniated disc. Speaker A 01:38:14 We sort that out. Speaker A 01:38:15 What sides are herniated on? Speaker A 01:38:16 Let's straighten this side, strengthen that side. Speaker A 01:38:18 Bit of cupping, bit of gua sha, bit of manipulation here and there. Speaker A 01:38:21 Whack the electrodes in on your way. Speaker A 01:38:24 So, yeah, it is very dependent. Speaker A 01:38:27 I have days, so some days I might have. Speaker A 01:38:31 Every patient has epilepsy. Speaker A 01:38:33 Not on purpose. Speaker A 01:38:34 It just happens that way. Speaker A 01:38:36 Other days it might be full of necks and backs and bloody elbows and. Speaker B 01:38:40 Do. Speaker B 01:38:41 Do you think that that is actually a weird kind of thing or do you think we just recognize patterns? Speaker B 01:38:50 Because sometimes I get this with patients, right, where I will have a patient with a weird prescription plus eight, you know, hardly anyone's plus eight. Speaker B 01:39:00 And then the next patient is plus 750 and then the next patient is plus 850, I think. Speaker B 01:39:05 And then I won't see that for. Speaker A 01:39:07 Yeah. Speaker B 01:39:07 Nine months. Speaker A 01:39:08 Yeah. Speaker B 01:39:08 Not once. Speaker B 01:39:09 And I, and I come together. Speaker B 01:39:12 It's happened to me a few times. Speaker A 01:39:13 It happens to me quite often. Speaker A 01:39:15 But do you always recognize it? Speaker B 01:39:16 That's what I mean. Speaker B 01:39:17 I don't know whether I just pick up on it because it's weird or. Speaker A 01:39:20 Maybe it's signs, maybe it's a sign. Speaker A 01:39:22 Maybe it's the universe giving us a new message or new kick up the ass. Speaker A 01:39:25 I don't know. Speaker A 01:39:26 But

I mean, I don't book them in on purpose. Speaker A 01:39:28 I don't put my patients in. Speaker A 01:39:29 They put themselves in. Speaker A 01:39:31 They have a membership or they have whatever, whatever plan we have. Speaker A 01:39:35 And I say, go ahead, you know, you've got three to use this month. Speaker A 01:39:37 We got to see me six times this month. Speaker A 01:39:39 They book them in. Speaker A 01:39:40 I don't tell them all to come on Tuesday. Speaker A 01:39:42 I don't. Speaker A 01:39:43 I don't tell everyone with lateral epicondylitis to come on Saturday. Speaker A 01:39:46 I don't tell everyone that's got a type of cancer to come on Friday. Speaker A 01:39:51 It happens. Speaker B 01:39:52 Yeah, yeah, it's weird. Speaker B 01:39:54 I think. Speaker B 01:39:54 I think these kinds of things will be like one of the conundrums that AI will solve for us. Speaker B 01:40:03 We'll explain. Speaker B 01:40:04 This is why, like, I've looked at every patient that ever booked any appointment ever in the history of everything and this is the pattern. Speaker B 01:40:12 And this would be. Speaker A 01:40:13 Must be something to do with the law of attraction. Speaker A 01:40:15 They must. Speaker A 01:40:16 It must be. Speaker B 01:40:17 I think. Speaker B 01:40:18 I mean, I think this is one of the things that kind of fascinates me kind of thinking about is things like, let's say the law of attraction, being able to manifest things or whatever. Speaker B 01:40:30 Correct me if you, if you think differently, but I think it's still not really understood exactly how it works. Speaker B 01:40:38 It's kind of like you would have some gratitude and you have an intention and, you know, whatever, whereas I think it will be these kinds of things that AI will go, no, it's just this. Speaker B 01:40:49 This happens and then that happens, and then this taps into that. Speaker B 01:40:53 That causes this. Speaker B 01:40:54 This does that. Speaker B 01:40:54 That's a feedback loop. Speaker B 01:40:56 And it will just kind of almost like, take the magic out of it. Speaker A 01:40:59 I was just about to say. Speaker A 01:41:00 I just. Speaker A 01:41:00 That's just what? Speaker A 01:41:01 As you telling me that I'm thinking you're making it boring. Speaker B 01:41:03 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker A 01:41:04 You're literally making it boring. Speaker A 01:41:05 You're making it a mathematic equation. Speaker B 01:41:08 Yeah. Speaker B 01:41:08 Just repeatable. Speaker A 01:41:09 Okay. Speaker B 01:41:09 You just do this and then this how it works. Speaker A 01:41:11 Do you know the works of Doctor Bruce Lipton? Speaker B 01:41:13 Yes. Speaker A 01:41:14 So he talks about this all the time. Speaker A 01:41:15 No, how you think about somebody doesn't matter where they are in Timbuktu. Speaker B 01:41:19 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker A 01:41:19 They'll text you. Speaker B 01:41:20 Yeah. Speaker A 01:41:21 No. Speaker A

01:41:21 Or you think about, oh, really? Speaker A 01:41:22 We want a kebabs night. Speaker A 01:41:23 We want a kebabs night. Speaker A 01:41:24 And you miss this text, you, hey, babe, do you fancy kebabs tonight? Speaker A 01:41:26 Yes, it works. Speaker A 01:41:28 Um, and he talks about this quite often, how that, again, I said earlier, um, energy goes where the mind flows. Speaker A 01:41:34 You're thinking about something. Speaker A 01:41:36 But then obviously when you get, like, an ECG and you're. Speaker A 01:41:40 And you're thinking about something, those thoughts appear on the screen. Speaker B 01:41:44 Yes. Speaker A 01:41:47 No one's actually joined into your brain. Speaker B 01:41:48 Yeah. Speaker A 01:41:49 So therefore that's just proof that what you're thinking does leave our body. Speaker B 01:41:54 Yeah. Speaker A 01:41:55 So therefore you can't tell me it's not real. Speaker B 01:41:58 Oh, no. Speaker A 01:41:59 But people do. Speaker A 01:42:00 People say to me in clinic every day, oh, do you believe in grounding, mate? Speaker A 01:42:03 You think it's real? Speaker A 01:42:05 What? Speaker A 01:42:05 Does your electrician think it's real? Speaker B 01:42:08 Yeah, that's it. Speaker A 01:42:09 Done. Speaker A 01:42:09 Argument over. Speaker B 01:42:10 But, I mean, I've had this. Speaker B 01:42:12 I've had this sort of debate. Speaker B 01:42:15 Discussion with a lot of people that I think there are a lot of people that go through life, as the terminology I use, they go through life with a ruler. Speaker B 01:42:26 They can't measure it. Speaker B 01:42:27 It's not real. Speaker B 01:42:28 Yeah, like, you can say, but. Speaker B 01:42:30 But just look around you, or just how do you feel? Speaker B 01:42:33 Or whatever, and they're like, no, it can't be measured. Speaker B 01:42:36 So it's not a real. Speaker A 01:42:39 I think it's Kevin stock. Speaker A 01:42:40 Guy on Instagram. Speaker A 01:42:41 I follow. Speaker A 01:42:41 He put up a post a few months ago and it was like, I do not care whether you can prove or disprove that my treatments work. Speaker A 01:42:51 If I've just helped 200 patients, it's worked. Speaker A 01:42:53 I don't care what your scientific study says. Speaker A 01:42:55 Yeah, I don't. Speaker A 01:42:56 I don't care. Speaker B 01:42:58 Yeah. Speaker B 01:42:58 I mean, I've. Speaker B 01:42:58 I've had. Speaker B 01:42:59 I've had patients, and, you know, my work, obviously, I'm an optometrist. Speaker B 01:43:02 My work is much more, you know, limited in scope. Speaker B 01:43:07 People come in for eye tests, basically, I've had patients who've had, you know, they. Speaker B 01:43:14 They come in symptomatic with things because they think something's wrong with them. Speaker B 01:43:20 And then once I tell them there's nothing wrong, you need some glasses or whatever, symptoms just disappear. Speaker A 01:43:25 I went for my eye test. Speaker A 01:43:27 I got poked in the eye quite badly a few months ago, got 80% laceration on the corneal, and went for my eye test, and she goes, oh, your tears are evaporating in, like, 0.3 seconds, and it should be 0.70.9. Speaker A 01:43:38 Take these eye drops and drink more water. Speaker A 01:43:42 Instead of doing that, I done some acupuncture to remove some heat. Speaker A 01:43:46 It's the heat drying it out, not the fact it's not getting enough in. Speaker A 01:43:50 This goes back to an old fashioned chinese medicine kind of theory. Speaker A 01:43:55 If you walk into a room that's absolutely freezing cold, you know, or boiling hot. Speaker A 01:44:03 Let's go. Speaker A 01:44:04 Boiling hot is easier. Speaker A 01:44:05 You walk into a room, and it's absolutely roast, and the room's boiling hot. Speaker A 01:44:09 So you turn the air con off. Speaker A 01:44:11 Turn the heater off. Speaker A 01:44:13 It wasn't the heater that was broken. Speaker A 01:44:14 It was the air conditioner broken. Speaker A 01:44:16 So it wasn't a true excess heat. Speaker A 01:44:18 It was a false heat. Speaker A 01:44:19 You've now got a broken radiator and a broken air con. Speaker A 01:44:23 So if my eyes are too dry, it isn't a case of not getting enough fluid into it. Speaker A 01:44:30 The heat's too hot. Speaker B 01:44:32 Interesting. Speaker B 01:44:33 Yeah. Speaker B 01:44:34 I mean, everything, you know, as a body system within a. Speaker B 01:44:40 You know, wherever it is that we live, an energetic universe. Speaker B 01:44:43 I mean, even. Speaker B 01:44:44 Even going back to dry eyes, you know, we kind of have the encouragement to sell everyone eye drops. Speaker B 01:44:57 Right? Speaker B 01:44:57 You got dry eyes. Speaker B 01:44:58 Have some eye drops. Speaker B 01:44:59 But I always say to people, which I should probably now change slightly to, say, mineralized water, I always say to people, drink more water, which helps. Speaker B 01:45:07 Yeah, more omega three. Speaker B 01:45:09 Because the glands around the lids, the oil gets thick. Speaker B 01:45:12 Omega three. Speaker B 01:45:13 Then do a heat bag, heat mask, and a lid massage, which melts the oil and helps the oil to get into the taste. Speaker A 01:45:19 Okay. Speaker B 01:45:19 Then have eye drops. Speaker B 01:45:21 But that's your. Speaker B 01:45:22 That's your force. Speaker A 01:45:22 That's a nice, holistic dealing with your dry eye, that. Speaker A 01:45:25 See, if I'd seen someone like you said that to me, I'd be really happy. Speaker B 01:45:27 Yeah. Speaker B 01:45:28 But then I always get in these meetings of, like, why is no one buy eye drops from you? Speaker B 01:45:32 I'm like, because they don't drink enough water. Speaker B 01:45:34 They tell me I have, like, you know, two cokes a day, and that's it. Speaker B 01:45:38 I'm like, well, that's why you got, first wait for six weeks. Speaker B 01:45:42 If you still got a dry

eye, do this. Speaker B 01:45:44 If you still got a dry eye, do that. Speaker B 01:45:46 And next year, if you still got dry eye, come and buy some eye drops. Speaker B 01:45:49 Because, I mean, otherwise, it is literally, you're just trying to address the symptoms. Speaker B 01:45:53 Oh, when your eyes are scratchy, squirt this in. Speaker A 01:45:56 Yeah. Speaker B 01:45:56 Okay. Speaker B 01:45:56 So they don't scratch for 2 hours, and then they get dry again, and then they squirt more in. Speaker B 01:46:00 And, yeah, it's not really dealing with anything. Speaker B 01:46:02 It's just masking the problem. Speaker A 01:46:04 That's what. Speaker A 01:46:04 That's what the modern medical system is based on. Speaker B 01:46:07 Yeah, yeah. Speaker B 01:46:09 Just treat the symptoms right, which is why we've got all these kind of crazy problems. Speaker B 01:46:14 But I think probably we can save slate in the western medicine for another day because that I can do for 8 hours. Speaker B 01:46:21 Okay, so let's. Speaker B 01:46:22 Let's do. Speaker B 01:46:23 Because we're gonna. Speaker B 01:46:24 We're gonna run up to about 2 hours. Speaker B 01:46:26 Let's do some quick fire questions. Speaker A 01:46:29 Okay. Speaker B 01:46:30 I don't know whether you do. Speaker B 01:46:31 Have you listened to any of these? Speaker A 01:46:32 A couple of them, yeah. Speaker A 01:46:32 A couple. Speaker B 01:46:33 So you might. Speaker A 01:46:33 You might have defending your jokes either. Speaker B 01:46:36 Oh, I should have. Speaker B 01:46:37 I should include that, right? Speaker B 01:46:38 What's your best joke? Speaker A 01:46:39 I haven't got? Speaker A 01:46:40 Okay, there we go. Speaker B 01:46:42 Yeah, that is a good one. Speaker A 01:46:46 Put that in. Speaker A 01:46:46 Oh, my God. Speaker B 01:46:48 Would you rather fight one horse sized duck or a hundred duck sized horses? Speaker A 01:46:55 A whole sized duck. Speaker A 01:46:57 Just. Speaker A 01:46:57 What I don't be fighting hundreds of different things. Speaker B 01:46:59 Yeah. Speaker B 01:46:59 Just. Speaker A 01:47:00 Just get even done with. Speaker B 01:47:01 Straight in there. Speaker A 01:47:01 Yeah. Speaker B 01:47:02 You're trapped in a tv show for a month. Speaker B 01:47:05 What would you choose? Speaker A 01:47:07 Love island. Speaker B 01:47:10 Are you the only guy, if you could have dinner with anyone, living or dead, who would you like to have dinner with? Speaker A 01:47:18 Bloody hell. Speaker A 01:47:21 How about Einstein? Speaker B 01:47:22 And what would you eat? Speaker A 01:47:25 The apple. Speaker B 01:47:27 I like it. Speaker B 01:47:29 What would you sing at karaoke? Speaker A 01:47:31 Oh, dreadful. Speaker A 01:47:32 Karaoke. Speaker A 01:47:32 Nothing. Speaker A 01:47:33 Nothing at all. Speaker A 01:47:34 I'd go for Spice Girls song just because it's funny. Speaker A 01:47:37 I know the words to all of them,

so it's fine. Speaker B 01:47:38 Have you got a favorite? Speaker A 01:47:40 Two become one. Speaker A 01:47:41 We've got that. Speaker A 01:47:41 Yeah, we got that. Speaker B 01:47:42 Okay. Speaker B 01:47:44 If you could go back to any point in time for 24 hours, when and where would you like to go day one? Speaker A 01:47:52 I want to know. Speaker A 01:47:53 I want to know the answer. Speaker B 01:47:55 What's day one of what? Speaker A 01:47:57 Of the big bang? Speaker A 01:47:59 Or do you believe in the big of the creation? Speaker A 01:48:02 What is energy? Speaker A 01:48:03 Have you got, we've discussed energy earlier. Speaker B 01:48:05 Which can not be. Speaker A 01:48:06 Exactly. Speaker A 01:48:07 So it cannot have formed out of nothing. Speaker A 01:48:09 So it had to be the collapse of the previous universe, imploding, exploding, and creating a new one. Speaker A 01:48:15 It couldn't have just come out of nowhere. Speaker B 01:48:18 I'll tell you what's a good book, which I'm halfway through at the moment, is the naked Bible. Speaker A 01:48:23 Oh, I heard that one. Speaker B 01:48:24 So this one, you're like, it's a guy called Mauro Biglino, who's like an italian linguistics guy, was interested in Bible translations and translations of ancient books and whatever. Speaker B 01:48:43 So speaks English, speaks Italian, learned Latin, learned ancient Greek, learned Hebrew. Speaker B 01:48:54 Was reading these translations and writing to the publishers and saying, I think this word is wrong. Speaker B 01:49:01 Like, you've said it was wings, but I don't think it's wings. Speaker B 01:49:04 I think it's feathers. Speaker B 01:49:05 And then they would go, oh, yeah, that actually is. Speaker B 01:49:08 And this happened a few times, and they called him and said, do you want to come and just come to the publishing house? Speaker B 01:49:13 And it was in the Vatican, come and meet. Speaker B 01:49:15 So he went over, and then, long story short, he ended up freelancing for them, translating all these books for them, while he's translating and he's reading the original texts. Speaker B 01:49:26 So the hebrew text for the Old Testament books and reading the translations and saying, this has got fucking no resemblance to that. Speaker B 01:49:36 This is just someone's interpretation of what that means. Speaker B 01:49:41 But what's actually written in the Hebrew, which is the oldest kind of cohesive Old Testament stuff, doesn't say anything like what you think the Bible is about. Speaker B 01:49:53 It's basically about an alien invasion where you have these multiple 30, 40,000 year living humanoid badass motherfuckers that came into that part of the world and basically divided humanity up into tribes and was like, these are fucking my lot. Speaker B 01:50:15 And they're gonna do what they, what I tell them to do. Speaker B 01:50:20 Man is genetically engineered. Speaker B 01:50:22 It took 2300 years. Speaker B 01:50:26 It's all basically written to make Adam. Speaker B 01:50:29 Took like another 600 years to make Eve. Speaker B 01:50:32 They gave Adam animals to fuck in the beginning, and he didn't like it. Speaker B 01:50:36 And then they tried to make other creatures, and that was no good. Speaker B 01:50:39 So they took from the rib, that is, from his DNA, and created a mate and everything. Speaker B 01:50:45 It's nuts. Speaker B 01:50:47 It's a, it's a nuts. Speaker A 01:50:49 I'd have to. Speaker A 01:50:49 I've got to look into that. Speaker B 01:50:50 The naked Bible. Speaker A 01:50:51 Okay. Speaker B 01:50:52 It's. Speaker B 01:50:52 I'm halfway through it. Speaker B 01:50:54 I've listened to interviews with him before, but I bought it to read on holiday because I never really sit and read books. Speaker B 01:51:00 I took something on holiday to read. Speaker A 01:51:03 Wow. Speaker B 01:51:04 Yeah. Speaker B 01:51:04 It's a shake up. Speaker B 01:51:07 What's the best piece of advice you ever received? Speaker A 01:51:12 Yeah, best piece of advice. Speaker A 01:51:17 Stop giving a fuck about what other people think. Speaker A 01:51:19 That is the best thing. Speaker A 01:51:22 Definitely. Speaker A 01:51:22 That was Gary Vaynerchuk said that. Speaker B 01:51:24 Okay. Speaker B 01:51:25 Yeah. Speaker A 01:51:25 Gary v. Speaker A 01:51:26 Yeah. Speaker B 01:51:26 Yeah. Speaker A 01:51:26 Gary v. Speaker A 01:51:27 Yeah. Speaker B 01:51:27 Yeah. Speaker B 01:51:28 Yeah. Speaker B 01:51:28 That's a good piece of advice. Speaker A 01:51:29 Yeah. Speaker A 01:51:29 Just. Speaker A 01:51:29 Yeah. Speaker B 01:51:30 What's the best video game you ever played? Speaker A 01:51:32 Oh, wow. Speaker A 01:51:36 NBA Jam Mega drive. Speaker B 01:51:39 Mega Drive. Speaker A 01:51:40 Whoa. Speaker A 01:51:40 Old school NBA jam Mega Drive. Speaker A 01:51:42 Yeah. Speaker B 01:51:43 If you could have one superpower, what would you choose? Speaker A 01:51:46 I've got. Speaker A 01:51:47 I've got loads. Speaker A 01:51:47 It's fine. Speaker A 01:51:48 I'll keep the ones I've got. Speaker A 01:51:50 I think we've all got powers. Speaker B 01:51:51 What is your. Speaker A 01:51:52 I think we've all got superpowers. Speaker A 01:51:55 Consuming interaction. Speaker A 01:51:57 I think it's a power. Speaker B 01:52:00 I like it. Speaker B 01:52:01 Good answer. Speaker B 01:52:03 You're stuck on a long haul flight and there's no infotainment. Speaker B 01:52:07 Who are you sitting next to? Speaker A 01:52:08 You know what? Speaker A 01:52:09 This is my. Speaker A 01:52:10 I'm going on a long haul flight in three weeks to China to work and study, and I'm actually shitting myself at the fact there's gonna be no entertainment and it's gonna be just this boring. Speaker A 01:52:20 I hate flying. Speaker A 01:52:21 Bumpy. Speaker A 01:52:21 Disgusting journey. Speaker A 01:52:23 I don't even. Speaker

A 01:52:24 I don't even want to think about it. Speaker A 01:52:26 So who have I got sitting next to? Speaker B 01:52:27 Yeah, who do you want to be sitting next to? Speaker A 01:52:29 Someone funny. Speaker A 01:52:31 Rummish Ranganathan. Speaker B 01:52:32 Okay. Speaker A 01:52:33 Definitely. Speaker A 01:52:35 I'll be happy then. Speaker B 01:52:36 You're getting drunk, you're eating people's faces. Speaker A 01:52:39 He's such a grumpy git. Speaker A 01:52:40 But funny as well. Speaker B 01:52:41 Yeah, that would be. Speaker A 01:52:42 And he's been all these different places that are epic. Speaker B 01:52:43 Yeah. Speaker B 01:52:44 Yeah. Speaker B 01:52:44 He'd be a good airplane buddy. Speaker B 01:52:50 Who you fight in bare knuckle fc. Speaker A 01:52:53 Oh, no one. Speaker A 01:52:56 Not a fighter. Speaker A 01:52:58 Martial art is not a fighter. Speaker B 01:52:59 If you could remove one thing from Earth, what would you remove? Speaker A 01:53:05 Tottenham Hotspur's fans? Speaker B 01:53:09 Do you have a plan for the zombie apocalypse? Speaker A 01:53:12 I'll kill those motherfuckers. Speaker A 01:53:13 You know, I know you've got a little. Speaker A 01:53:15 I'm just gonna fight. Speaker A 01:53:16 There's no plan. Speaker A 01:53:17 I think I'm. Speaker A 01:53:18 I think I'll be good at that job. Speaker A 01:53:19 Me and my missus and the kids, we're all ready for this shit. Speaker A 01:53:22 But we are. Speaker A 01:53:23 We're good for this. Speaker B 01:53:23 Okay. Speaker B 01:53:24 Just straight out. Speaker B 01:53:26 That's right. Speaker B 01:53:26 Out the front door. Speaker A 01:53:27 Straight out the front door. Speaker A 01:53:27 Fuck em up. Speaker A 01:53:28 When we watch horror films and stuff. Speaker A 01:53:30 Like, we watched one last night and the family's hiding upstairs in the bar. Speaker A 01:53:33 We don't know. Speaker A 01:53:34 Get outside, get em, bang em up. Speaker A 01:53:36 Yeah, we've got this. Speaker B 01:53:37 Straight out. Speaker A 01:53:37 Straight out. Speaker B 01:53:39 What is the meaning of life? Speaker A 01:53:43 To reproduce by definition, but, you know, have fun while doing it. Speaker B 01:53:52 Yeah, that probably helps. Speaker B 01:53:54 Final question. Speaker B 01:53:55 You can have 10 million pounds in cash right now, but you're being chased by a snail. Speaker B 01:54:01 If the snail touches you. Speaker B 01:54:02 To die a horrible death, cannot be stopped, cannot be killed, knows where you are at all times, has only one purpose, which is to get to you. Speaker B 01:54:08 Would you take that? Speaker A 01:54:09 That question's haunted me now for at least a year. Speaker A 01:54:12 I've heard you. Speaker A 01:54:12 Yeah, I take it. Speaker A 01:54:15 I'll take it. Speaker B 01:54:15 What's the rationale? Speaker A 01:54:17 I don't know if it was Dan Strauss or Ed or someone said, like, you know, it doesn't go that fast. Speaker A 01:54:22 Yes, it's always moving. Speaker A 01:54:24 But if you're a couple of countries ahead of it, I think you're fine. Speaker A 01:54:29 You can outrun it. Speaker A 01:54:30 10 million. Speaker A 01:54:31 Yeah, it's a lot of money. Speaker A 01:54:32 You can't stop it. Speaker A 01:54:34 But then that's like saying you are going to die at some point anyway. Speaker B 01:54:39 That's kind of the question. Speaker A 01:54:40 Are you having fun? Speaker A 01:54:42 Or are you going to say, you know what, fuck it, I'm too old to start a new course. Speaker A 01:54:45 Too old to get fit, too old to start jits. Speaker A 01:54:46 Too old. Speaker A 01:54:47 You might as well start anyway. Speaker A 01:54:49 So, yeah, take the money, make, invest it, keep moving. Speaker A 01:54:56 Which again, don't be stagnant. Speaker A 01:54:59 Yeah, I'm taking it. Speaker B 01:55:00 Nice. Speaker B 01:55:01 Where do people find you? Speaker B 01:55:03 I think everybody's going to want to come and bang your door down for some treatment. Speaker A 01:55:07 Instagram. Speaker A 01:55:09 Wheeler medicine. Speaker B 01:55:10 Wheeler medicine. Speaker A 01:55:11 And then my business is PW therapy. Speaker A 01:55:14 This one here, PW therapy. Speaker A 01:55:17 I'm more active on Wheeler medicine. Speaker B 01:55:19 Okay. Speaker B 01:55:20 And so the physical clinic is Milton Keynes. Speaker A 01:55:22 Milton Keynes, Macclesfield, London ish, depending on what days and things. Speaker B 01:55:30 But a lot of potential for virtual consultations. Speaker A 01:55:34 Yeah, I do virtual from patients all over the world. Speaker A 01:55:37 So I do lots of blood testing, functional testing, genetic testing, genetic mutation testing, and then we sort of discuss the findings over zooms. Speaker A 01:55:45 Nutrition supplementation. Speaker A 01:55:48 I'm launching a new program next year which will be a virtual kind of life optimization program. Speaker A 01:55:57 And that will just go through everything that we've discussed today and more nice just to optimize life. Speaker B 01:56:03 When have you got like a launch date or. Speaker A 01:56:06 It's. Speaker A 01:56:07 It will. Speaker A 01:56:07 It's still very fluid, probably be February. Speaker A 01:56:10 I don't want anyone in January jump on it. Speaker A 01:56:13 That doesn't want to be on it. Speaker A 01:56:14 January is no, join the gym, lose weight, do this. Speaker A 01:56:17 It's not a fat loss plan, it's not a get big, get Jax plan. Speaker A 01:56:20 It's none of that crap. Speaker A 01:56:21 So probably February because that's when people have calmed down and then they're less in that bullshit phase. Speaker A 01:56:29 Next year's my year. Speaker A 01:56:31 Every year is your year. Speaker B 01:56:33 Yeah. Speaker B 01:56:33 So maybe if you want to come back on and talk about that, that would be interesting. Speaker B 01:56:37 Run through how

it works. Speaker A 01:56:39 That'd be epic. Speaker A 01:56:40 January, my book on B vitamins will be out of. Speaker A 01:56:43 So that's B vitamins, the absorption, what blocks them, what pharmaceutical drugs block them, what modern foods block them, the role of each one in the body. Speaker A 01:56:55 That'll be January. Speaker B 01:56:57 Awesome. Speaker A 01:56:58 I've got quite a few things. Speaker B 01:56:59 Busy boy. Speaker B 01:57:00 And what are you going to be studying in China? Speaker A 01:57:03 So I'm being invited to the Nanjing University of chinese medicine, which is number one in the world. Speaker A 01:57:09 It's a cultural exchange, so they're going to teach me some stuff. Speaker A 01:57:13 I'm going to teach them some stuff. Speaker A 01:57:16 I'm doing 40 hours of work in Nanjing General Hospital, so I'm doing neurology and oncology wards. Speaker A 01:57:23 I've also. Speaker A 01:57:24 I'm also going to spend five days in the Shaolin temple with the Shaolin monks. Speaker B 01:57:27 Amazing. Speaker A 01:57:28 So doing Shaolin kung fu, but also Shaolin medicine, which is something not very well known about, to actually living with Shifu Yanzi for I think four nights or five days, meditation, qigong, everything. Speaker B 01:57:42 Beautiful. Speaker A 01:57:43 So I'm looking forward to that. Speaker A 01:57:44 I mean, I can't wait to come back and tell everyone about that. Speaker A 01:57:46 Yeah, yeah. Speaker B 01:57:47 So definitely then maybe next year when you launch the program and you can tell me about your adventures and what's coming next. Speaker B 01:57:54 Yeah, amazing. Speaker B 01:57:55 So the insta is Wheel of medicine. Speaker A 01:57:59 Yeah, wheel of medicine at Wheel of Medicine. Speaker B 01:58:00 Yeah. Speaker B 01:58:01 I'll put links in the show notes. Speaker B 01:58:02 Thank you very much for coming. Speaker A 01:58:03 Oh, thanks for having me. Speaker A 01:58:04 It's been great fun. Speaker B 01:58:05 Yeah. Speaker B 01:58:05 And did you say potentially you've got a podcast coming soon as well? Speaker A 01:58:09 I've just got to get around to it. Speaker A 01:58:11 I'm busy teaching, mentoring, working, doing courses. Speaker A 01:58:17 I've got the equipment, I've got all the gear. Speaker A 01:58:19 No idea currently. Speaker A 01:58:20 I've actually got some software. Speaker A 01:58:22 I've got a few people lined up for it already. Speaker A 01:58:24 I've got a few jiu jitsu people lined up. Speaker A 01:58:26 I've got a few doctors lined up Andrew Tackett's are going to come on it with me. Speaker B 01:58:30 Beautiful. Speaker A 01:58:30 So I've got some big names I've just got to get on to doing it. Speaker A 01:58:34 I think you should come on it. Speaker A 01:58:37 I think you should come on it. Speaker A 01:58:38 Definitely. Speaker B 01:58:39 I'll come on. Speaker B 01:58:39 No problem. Speaker A 01:58:40 Yeah. Speaker B 01:58:40 Anyone that wants to listen to me talk, I'm there. Speaker B 01:58:43 Yeah. Speaker A 01:58:43 Perfect. Speaker B 01:58:44 Beautiful. Speaker B 01:58:45 Thank you for coming in. Speaker A 01:58:45 No, thanks. Speaker A 01:58:46 Have me. Speaker B 01:58:46 Thank you guys for listening. Speaker B 01:58:47 I know everyone's time is precious if you stayed all the way through. Speaker B 01:58:50 We appreciate your time. Speaker B 01:58:52 Make sure you follow in the show best places on Instagram at white basement pod you can watch on rumble. Speaker B 01:58:59 You can listen everywhere. Speaker B 01:59:01 We put a new episode out every Tuesday, 05:00 a.m. Speaker B 01:59:05 and we'll catch you next time.