Full Transcript for Weird Crap Movie Commentary 7 - Wolf Creek 2 (2013)

to be watching and 37 00:02:08.650 --> 00:02:11.780 talking about today. Uh, and I'm going to give you 38 00:02:11.900 --> 00:02:13.580 a three, two, one, which I think I forgot to 39 00:02:13.620 --> 00:02:16.280 do on, uh, looking for Ella Brandy. So I apologize 40 00:02:16.300 --> 00:02:16.560 for that. 41 00:02:16.860 --> 00:02:19.099 The first week you go three, two, one, the next 42 00:02:19.139 --> 00:02:20.699 week you're like, and we're straight into it. 43 00:02:21.020 --> 00:02:26.680 So, you know, I'm bad at this. All right. Three, two, one, 44 00:02:26.699 --> 00:02:30.879 hit that start button on your, I actually think on Stan, 45 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:34.020 you might get the director's cut. I don't know. I think, 46 00:02:34.659 --> 00:02:38.120 I think you might get that. So the little old 47 00:02:38.139 --> 00:02:41.020 logo for Screen Australia, which is very invocative of the 48 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:46.699 ABC logo. And the, what other logo was it? SBS 49 00:02:46.740 --> 00:02:49.669 had a similar logo as well. I used to like 50 00:02:49.689 --> 00:02:51.409 those little blobby logos that they used to do. 51 00:02:51.449 --> 00:02:53.330 Used to be just like someone threw a paint at 52 00:02:53.370 --> 00:02:55.610 a wall and then they're just like, and draw around that. 53 00:02:55.629 --> 00:02:56.469 There's our logo. 54 00:02:57.379 --> 00:02:59.400 While I'm looking up a few more facts here, Holly. 55 00:03:00.289 --> 00:03:03.430 can you explain what Screen Australia was and why Screen 56 00:03:03.469 --> 00:03:06.020 Australia would be involved in the Wolf Creek series? 57 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:10.979 Screen Australia is literally the federal body that decided what 58 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:13.979 films got a little bit of government financing to be made. 59 00:03:14.840 --> 00:03:15.419 Having missed. 60 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:18.479 Just sorry, just quickly, I won't cut in here. 61 00:03:18.740 --> 00:03:20.680 Matthew's favourite line just popped up on screen. 62 00:03:20.969 --> 00:03:25.069 So this is, what did it say? Basically, this is 63 00:03:25.169 --> 00:03:28.969 based on a true story. uh, the first one we 64 00:03:29.030 --> 00:03:33.669 talked to, like, cause we have covered Wolf Creek extensively. Uh, 65 00:03:33.710 --> 00:03:37.169 we've covered it in the Osploitation series. We've done the 66 00:03:37.250 --> 00:03:40.030 audio track. We've covered the production of the first film. 67 00:03:40.750 --> 00:03:44.530 We've covered the cases, the cases that are involved. So we've, 68 00:03:44.590 --> 00:03:47.289 we've done a lot when it comes to the series. Now, 69 00:03:47.330 --> 00:03:49.870 the first one at the very least, you can say, well, 70 00:03:49.889 --> 00:03:56.729 you know, these three incidences were the inspiration for the film. So, 71 00:03:57.300 --> 00:04:00.219 For Wolf Creek 1, that was the Falconeo disappearance, the 72 00:04:00.259 --> 00:04:04.090 Snowtown murders, and Ivan Malat. You know, those three things. 73 00:04:04.710 --> 00:04:10.430 There is absolutely nothing in this film based on fucking anything. 74 00:04:10.770 --> 00:04:14.150 I mean, there are police in Australia. That is true. 75 00:04:15.469 --> 00:04:18.870 Except for maybe the fact that Mick Taylor is still 76 00:04:19.230 --> 00:04:22.149 loosely based on Ivan Malat. And that's really about this. 77 00:04:22.589 --> 00:04:26.410 that because for me wolf creek 2 is the bugs 78 00:04:26.509 --> 00:04:30.730 bunny of what he basically turns into a looney tune 79 00:04:31.029 --> 00:04:32.389 and then at this point. 80 00:04:32.129 --> 00:04:34.410 Then during the series he becomes jason. 81 00:04:34.750 --> 00:04:37.310 Yeah that's right we get we get into some magic 82 00:04:37.649 --> 00:04:39.889 uh once we get to season one and two now. 83 00:04:39.810 --> 00:04:43.300 Wolf creek 2 was uh released in 2013 so i 84 00:04:43.339 --> 00:04:46.279 think that was a 12 year gap between the two 85 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:48.779 of them i believe Somewhere very similar? 86 00:04:48.899 --> 00:04:53.439 It wasn't as bad as 12 years, but it was 87 00:04:53.490 --> 00:04:55.149 a pretty substantial jump. 88 00:04:56.050 --> 00:04:59.110 Sorry, eight years. Eight years. 2005 was the first one. 89 00:05:00.089 --> 00:05:04.009 So this film, of course, again, stars John Jarrett, controversy noted, 90 00:05:05.410 --> 00:05:08.810 in the titular role again. I mean, this is the 91 00:05:08.870 --> 00:05:13.480 role that essentially made him famous internationally. We've discussed that before, 92 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:17.360 but through this movie, he ended up landing other jobs. 93 00:05:17.819 --> 00:05:20.670 He was predominantly known as a drama actor, so he 94 00:05:20.730 --> 00:05:24.589 had done things like MacLeod's Daughters. He was long running 95 00:05:24.629 --> 00:05:28.569 on MacLeod's Daughters. He'd been on Better Homes and Gardens. 96 00:05:28.949 --> 00:05:31.689 Sorry, just a break in here. As the police are 97 00:05:31.709 --> 00:05:35.079 chasing him down, he's listening to Slim Dusty. That feels 98 00:05:35.139 --> 00:05:38.800 like the creepiest music he could watch while being chased down. 99 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:41.800 Well, the thing about Wolf Creek 2 is that Nick 100 00:05:41.860 --> 00:05:46.230 Taylor embraces a lot more. They wanted to make him 101 00:05:46.269 --> 00:05:50.009 more jingoistic. Yeah. If you're not familiar with that term, 102 00:05:50.069 --> 00:05:51.470 jingoistic is. 103 00:05:52.170 --> 00:05:52.930 Like nationalism. 104 00:05:53.310 --> 00:05:56.670 It's, it's like nationalism, but it's like draping yourself in 105 00:05:56.689 --> 00:06:00.829 the flag. Uh, you only listen to Australian music. You 106 00:06:00.870 --> 00:06:04.910 only watch Australian sport. You only watch Australian films. Like 107 00:06:04.970 --> 00:06:09.430 it's just, you, you completely and absolutely devoted to your country, 108

00:06:09.870 --> 00:06:13.709 not just as a nationalist, but also as a, almost 109 00:06:13.769 --> 00:06:15.959 like a pop culture fan, right? Like almost like a, 110 00:06:16.069 --> 00:06:18.769 a country's fan boy. Yeah. Yeah. 111 00:06:19.689 --> 00:06:22.699 Um, So the cops that are walking towards him right now, 112 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:25.699 I just looked it up. That's much more of an 113 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:29.019 American uniform than you will find anywhere in Australia. 114 00:06:29.100 --> 00:06:30.379 I was about to say. 115 00:06:30.620 --> 00:06:34.519 Because everywhere in Australia, I'm just checking Northern Territory. Yep, 116 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:36.540 it's a blue, navy blue uniform. 117 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:37.160 Yeah, that's really. 118 00:06:37.180 --> 00:06:38.699 For some reason, they're wearing khaki. 119 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:43.579 I wonder if that was just to represent that, you know, 120 00:06:44.100 --> 00:06:45.060 he's out at the desert. 121 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:47.339 Or maybe it's just the fact that they weren't allowed 122 00:06:47.379 --> 00:06:50.000 to use the real looking police uniforms. 123 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:53.699 I can't imagine that they would be pulled up on that, though, 124 00:06:53.740 --> 00:06:55.319 because generally speaking, you're allowed. 125 00:06:55.339 --> 00:06:57.040 I mean, they've got the badges and everything. 126 00:06:57.060 --> 00:07:01.750 Yeah, the badges are right. The logo-ing is right. Them 127 00:07:01.790 --> 00:07:03.949 wearing caps is a bit odd. 128 00:07:04.689 --> 00:07:06.430 I mean, they're out in the desert. 129 00:07:06.490 --> 00:07:08.629 If you're a desert cop, let us know. Do you 130 00:07:08.649 --> 00:07:12.810 get a special uniform? So this, of course, stars John Jarrett, 131 00:07:13.230 --> 00:07:19.459 Ryan Corr, Shannon Ashland. Philippe Closs, Sean Conner, and I 132 00:07:19.579 --> 00:07:21.810 don't think... Which, Sean Conner's the cop there. 133 00:07:22.149 --> 00:07:22.709 The older cop? 134 00:07:22.970 --> 00:07:26.250 The older cop there, yeah. These guys, you know, being 135 00:07:26.290 --> 00:07:31.110 mainstays again on Australian TV, but outside of that, you know, 136 00:07:31.149 --> 00:07:36.060 not too much. We talked about David Stratton and Margaret 137 00:07:36.100 --> 00:07:39.959 Pomerantz a lot. They were the hosts of the Australian 138 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:46.420 movie show. They actually refused to review this movie. Okay. Which... Well, 139 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:51.920 Pomerantz was, I think she was more keen to, but 140 00:07:51.980 --> 00:07:55.519 Stratton was like, and rest in peace, David Stratton, we 141 00:07:55.560 --> 00:08:00.540 lost him. Only last year. Yeah, yeah. I owe both 142 00:08:00.579 --> 00:08:06.399 of them a substantial amount of my love for film. Ironically, 143 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:08.139 I didn't think about it at the time, but yeah, 144 00:08:08.189 --> 00:08:13.410 they were

heavily influential. They did refuse to review this movie, 145 00:08:13.610 --> 00:08:17.509 and I think it was David, Stratton just was like, 146 00:08:17.550 --> 00:08:21.970 you know, it's horrible, it's gory, it serves no purpose, 147 00:08:23.149 --> 00:08:27.310 et cetera, et cetera. So they would fucking hate the 148 00:08:27.350 --> 00:08:31.750 current era of horror films because I think that while 149 00:08:31.790 --> 00:08:37.110 horror films have gotten a lot more gorier than this, 150 00:08:37.129 --> 00:08:43.029 I would also say that story has improved substantially as well, though. 151 00:08:43.500 --> 00:08:47.200 Like we watched Obsession this year. which was a fantastic 152 00:08:47.580 --> 00:08:52.620 low-budget American horror film. And it is quite horrendous, but 153 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:55.379 it's also fantastically acted and written. Yes. 154 00:08:57.039 --> 00:08:59.159 I haven't actually seen anyone who had a bad word 155 00:08:59.200 --> 00:08:59.500 about it. 156 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:07.480 And what's quite interesting here, too, is the sort of.... 157 00:09:10.019 --> 00:09:12.230 That smarmy little cop, I wish I could smack him. 158 00:09:12.950 --> 00:09:14.210 Are they about to get killed? 159 00:09:14.769 --> 00:09:17.350 I mean, they gave him a speeding ticket. They told 160 00:09:17.389 --> 00:09:19.230 him that they had to impound his car. 161 00:09:19.809 --> 00:09:25.529 Yeah, they're going to die. And I suppose that's also, 162 00:09:25.549 --> 00:09:29.830 you know, how do you kick off the next one? 163 00:09:30.509 --> 00:09:35.110 And I suppose it's like, let's make him... That police 164 00:09:35.169 --> 00:09:37.929 car is odd too. That's like an American style police car. 165 00:09:39.870 --> 00:09:46.070 It really is. Do you think that this was done... 166 00:09:46.370 --> 00:09:46.990 To try and. 167 00:09:47.309 --> 00:09:48.809 The American market a little bit? 168 00:09:48.889 --> 00:09:52.710 The American audience loved Wolf Creek 1. Yeah. They absolutely 169 00:09:52.809 --> 00:09:53.629 loved Wolf Creek 1. 170 00:09:53.610 --> 00:09:55.610 But there weren't any cops in Wolf Creek 1, so 171 00:09:55.649 --> 00:09:56.370 they had to kind of. 172 00:09:56.929 --> 00:09:59.549 Yeah, so I wonder if it was done mostly to.... 173 00:10:01.820 --> 00:10:04.120 Long shot rifle. Who's going to die first, the young 174 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:05.440 one or the old one? I can't remember. 175 00:10:06.100 --> 00:10:09.019 So this is an interesting comment here by the older 176 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:11.639 police officer. Like, that's how you keep your quotas up, son. 177 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:15.899 Whether or not this is true, and I suspect it is, 178 00:10:16.379 --> 00:10:20.419 Australian police can let us know. There has always been... See, 179 00:10:20.460 --> 00:10:22.559 we wouldn't refer to someone as a redneck either. We'd 180 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:24.879 refer to him probably as a bushy.

Oh, his head 181 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:25.639 just exploded. 182 00:10:25.659 --> 00:10:28.419 That's... Curious. 183 00:10:28.620 --> 00:10:31.600 That's unfortunate. Well, you did mention that long shot rifle. 184 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:36.440 You know, obviously you want to start your sequel with 185 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:39.159 a bang, and I think they do here because, well, 186 00:10:39.330 --> 00:10:44.309 literally with a bang. And to establish, you know, where 187 00:10:44.590 --> 00:10:50.220 Mick Taylor sits in the authority, you know, the... The 188 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:51.240 pecking order of the bush. 189 00:10:51.419 --> 00:10:52.120 Yeah. Right. 190 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:55.179 And the pecking order of the bush for Mick Taylor 191 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:59.500 is he's at the top. Everyone else is at the bottom. And, 192 00:10:59.740 --> 00:11:03.799 you know, good luck to you. But I think this 193 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:09.299 film suffers from horror film sequel-itis a lot. Yeah. And, 194 00:11:11.019 --> 00:11:14.019 you know, it's like they up the gore factor. Like 195 00:11:14.070 --> 00:11:20.549 that's a great looking half head. Right. That is a 196 00:11:20.649 --> 00:11:23.690 great looking like half decapitated head there. 197 00:11:23.789 --> 00:11:25.090 He's very proud of his shot. 198 00:11:26.110 --> 00:11:28.330 They had a bigger budget. They were able to do 199 00:11:28.389 --> 00:11:31.889 more stuff. But that's not necessarily a good thing because 200 00:11:31.950 --> 00:11:37.639 the first film, it's horrific. It's quietly horrific. It's subtle. 201 00:11:38.419 --> 00:11:41.320 And I think that this movie is not. 202 00:11:41.340 --> 00:11:44.960 It's also the first movie is mostly done at night 203 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:47.480 because one, that hides the fact you don't have much money. 204 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:50.799 But the second one, it also ups the suspension. Doing 205 00:11:50.899 --> 00:11:52.970 shit like this out in the open in the daylight, 206 00:11:53.139 --> 00:11:56.549 it's not really that suspenseful. I mean, that's horrific. 207 00:11:56.850 --> 00:11:57.049 Yeah. 208 00:11:57.590 --> 00:11:59.409 But, yeah. 209 00:12:00.789 --> 00:12:04.490 And I don't know whether this takes... I think this 210 00:12:04.570 --> 00:12:09.289 takes a very interesting film and I think that it 211 00:12:09.389 --> 00:12:14.740 turns it into almost a parody or a caricature. Yeah. 212 00:12:16.340 --> 00:12:19.779 Like when you first encounter him, I think that in 213 00:12:19.830 --> 00:12:23.669 the first film, Mick Taylor has a real sort of. 214 00:12:25.149 --> 00:12:27.870 Yeah, see, it's stuff like this, right? So like he's 215 00:12:27.889 --> 00:12:32.809 stabbing the cop and making him a paraplegic, which is, 216 00:12:33.970 --> 00:12:36.850 you know, that was established in the first film. But 217 00:12:37.590 --> 00:12:39.870 it's more like, okay, well, people remember this from the 218 00:12:39.909 --> 00:12:43.769 first movie. This is the stuff that upset them. And 219 00:12:43.820 --> 00:12:47.049 it makes him... use it like a trait, like a 220 00:12:47.100 --> 00:12:51.659 calling card. Yeah. Right. But it is utterly pointless in 221 00:12:51.700 --> 00:12:52.139 this scene. 222 00:12:52.299 --> 00:12:54.820 But he is based around Malat and Malat was known 223 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:55.759 to do that to his victims. 224 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:58.860 That's right. And that's why they included in the first film. 225 00:12:58.899 --> 00:13:01.299 But now in the second film, it becomes this like 226 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:04.740 calling card. Yeah. This is what happens in all of 227 00:13:04.779 --> 00:13:07.740 these sort of horror films. You alluded to this before 228 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:09.820 with Jason Voorhees, right? 229 00:13:09.899 --> 00:13:10.080 Yeah. 230 00:13:10.799 --> 00:13:16.809 Jason Voorhees starts as just, The child of a mother 231 00:13:16.870 --> 00:13:19.070 who was the killer in the first film is thought 232 00:13:19.110 --> 00:13:22.110 to be dead. Second film comes along. He grew up 233 00:13:22.169 --> 00:13:26.019 in the forest or around the Camp Crystal Lake. Yep. 234 00:13:26.539 --> 00:13:29.419 And then slowly gets superpowers. Now, if you're not aware 235 00:13:29.460 --> 00:13:32.860 of who Jason Voorhees is, he is the serial killer 236 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:35.279 from the Friday the 13th series. You would know the 237 00:13:35.379 --> 00:13:40.639 iconic hockey mask. Right. What happens is that, you know, 238 00:13:40.779 --> 00:13:43.659 as the film goes on and the film series goes on, 239 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:48.779 Jason becomes more and more supernatural. Yeah. Right. Until you 240 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:51.899 have Jason in space. Until you have Jason in space. 241 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:54.490 And I wonder if we will ever get to Mick 242 00:13:54.509 --> 00:13:55.429 Taylor in space. 243 00:13:55.970 --> 00:13:58.090 I mean, not now with John Jarrett, but I'm sure 244 00:13:58.129 --> 00:13:58.809 it was on the way. 245 00:13:58.830 --> 00:14:01.610 No, John Jarrett's filming the third one. 246 00:14:01.730 --> 00:14:03.029 Oh, they're actually filming it, are they? 247 00:14:03.210 --> 00:14:06.720 You know, I mean, again, we've alluded to this before, but. 248 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:12.080 With John Jarrett, he was involved in a historic sexual 249 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:18.470 assault case. He was acquitted based on the probability of 250 00:14:18.539 --> 00:14:23.149 evidence at the time. And so, you know, you have 251 00:14:23.169 --> 00:14:27.750 the right to innocence. He was proven innocent and or 252 00:14:27.809 --> 00:14:31.809 proven not guilty, depending on your perspective on it. But yeah, 253 00:14:32.210 --> 00:14:35.350 him and McLean are off making a third film at 254 00:14:35.429 --> 00:14:39.289 some point. I believe COVID... slowed it right down. 255

00:14:39.509 --> 00:14:41.169 COVID put a wrench in a lot of works. 256 00:14:42.590 --> 00:14:46.429 But what's also really interesting about this too is that 257 00:14:48.659 --> 00:14:53.340 like Screen Australia they pumped out a sequel pretty quickly 258 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:57.860 and for Screen Australia that's pretty crazy. 259 00:14:58.000 --> 00:14:58.899 Yeah. 260 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:01.649 Considering how long it took them to ever think about 261 00:15:01.710 --> 00:15:06.350 sequelizing anything. And I still think they were both happy 262 00:15:06.450 --> 00:15:10.580 and embarrassed. you know, at the success of the first film. 263 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:15.730 Oh, the big things, the big fly and the big rat. 264 00:15:17.070 --> 00:15:19.470 And, of course, we're now introduced to all of our 265 00:15:19.509 --> 00:15:22.809 tourists who are going to go into the bush, not 266 00:15:22.850 --> 00:15:30.059 suspecting Taylor. And I think that this is, like, the 267 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:33.179 weakest part of the whole Wolf Creek saga, for lack 268 00:15:33.220 --> 00:15:37.509 of a better term, because think about What they did 269 00:15:37.549 --> 00:15:41.389 with the series. Yeah. You know, the first series, they 270 00:15:41.450 --> 00:15:45.350 introduced a final girl. Yeah. With the American tourist. And 271 00:15:45.450 --> 00:15:48.830 I thought it was really quite clever what they did 272 00:15:48.870 --> 00:15:51.990 with the second one. I can't remember what the second 273 00:15:52.029 --> 00:15:53.090 season was about. Do you? 274 00:15:53.110 --> 00:15:57.559 Him coming back. That's as much as I remember. 275 00:15:57.820 --> 00:15:59.980 Did it share any of the characters of the first season? 276 00:16:00.059 --> 00:16:02.149 I don't remember. It's been a while since I watched it. 277 00:16:02.179 --> 00:16:04.679 It was more discovering Mick Taylor's background. 278 00:16:04.980 --> 00:16:05.240 Yeah. 279 00:16:05.259 --> 00:16:05.360 Yeah. 280 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:11.159 And then, yeah, he's essentially an evil spirit of the bush. Yeah. 281 00:16:11.220 --> 00:16:16.840 And they introduce a few mystical elements, which is fascinating. 282 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:19.039 But again, it happens with every horror. 283 00:16:19.340 --> 00:16:22.490 There's only so far you can elevate a serial killer 284 00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:24.039 and then you have to start getting weird. 285 00:16:24.509 --> 00:16:28.070 I'm kind of shocked that they never did that with Saw. 286 00:16:31.669 --> 00:16:32.470 Have you seen Saw? 287 00:16:33.110 --> 00:16:34.389 I've seen lots of Saws. 288 00:16:35.049 --> 00:16:35.610 You see Saul? 289 00:16:39.129 --> 00:16:41.490 I mean, there's some really stupid shit that goes on 290 00:16:41.529 --> 00:16:42.490 in some of those films. 291 00:16:42.570 --> 00:16:44.649 I mean, they've found many creative ways to try and 292 00:16:44.690 --> 00:16:47.269 bring him back. And how many times does

Jigsaw come back? Yeah, yeah. 293 00:16:47.389 --> 00:16:50.759 It's ridiculous. I think the last movie they did was 294 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:54.940 a side story in between movie one and three. 295 00:16:55.059 --> 00:16:55.620 I think so. 296 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:59.100 Anyone who keeps up with the continuity of those movies, like, 297 00:16:59.139 --> 00:16:59.580 good on you. 298 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:02.539 Or maybe they just throw it out and go, you 299 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:04.279 know what? This movie is all the movie that I 300 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:13.400 have to worry about. Two backpackers. See, to me, now 301 00:17:13.420 --> 00:17:16.079 that we've done more episodes, I'm like, hmm, story of 302 00:17:16.099 --> 00:17:19.299 an EMA. Wandering down the street. 303 00:17:20.059 --> 00:17:25.680 Yeah, and I think that, but see, this is where it's, again, 304 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:27.180 it's sort of tricky. 305 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:30.279 You don't want that car, bro. 306 00:17:30.420 --> 00:17:35.359 It's kind of tricky with this, where could you have 307 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:40.160 done something different? I sort of think about this movie 308 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:44.769 and I'm like, okay, yeah, it's a bit loony-toony. They 309 00:17:44.809 --> 00:17:48.269 make Mick Taylor a little bit over-exaggerated and the character 310 00:17:48.289 --> 00:17:51.849 goes like, everything is ramped right up. And I'm like, well, 311 00:17:52.410 --> 00:17:55.789 if you're going to do an interesting psychological horror film 312 00:17:55.809 --> 00:18:02.009 for the next follow-up, how do you approach it? 313 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:07.210 That's an interesting thing, too. He saw another car approaching, 314 00:18:07.269 --> 00:18:10.329 so he took off because he didn't want people associating 315 00:18:10.390 --> 00:18:11.970 him with missing tourists. 316 00:18:12.029 --> 00:18:19.980 Yeah, with missing backpackers. But yeah, how do you think 317 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:24.259 you do something as subtle and psychologically interesting as the 318 00:18:24.299 --> 00:18:24.799 first film? 319 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:28.119 I don't think you can. I don't think it's possible 320 00:18:28.180 --> 00:18:29.059 to hit lightning twice. 321 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:32.539 Because I do think that first season of the TV 322 00:18:32.579 --> 00:18:37.700 series does. I think it, because it refocuses on, you know, 323 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:41.819 a main character. Yeah. And it builds out around her. Like, 324 00:18:42.660 --> 00:18:46.309 that's where it's a little bit different. Whereas this one is, 325 00:18:46.750 --> 00:18:50.170 it feels like we're on rails. Yeah. It feels like 326 00:18:50.190 --> 00:18:53.730 that typical sequel of the 90s where it's like, here's 327 00:18:53.769 --> 00:18:57.470 the first movie ramped up in about 10 minutes. 328 00:18:57.650 --> 00:18:59.210 Here's the first movie in italics. 329 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:03.910 Now, they're nude swimming. They're having a bit of a 330 00:19:04.029 --> 00:19:08.630 skinny dip. You have to be extraordinarily careful in the 331 00:19:08.670 --> 00:19:11.890 waters once you start heading towards the top end. 332 00:19:12.230 --> 00:19:15.690 I mean, one of those road signs says 130km to Darwin, 333 00:19:15.710 --> 00:19:18.609 so they're definitely in croc territory. 334 00:19:18.930 --> 00:19:22.130 Yes. So you have to be extraordinarily careful when you 335 00:19:22.170 --> 00:19:25.640 go out swimming in those waters because those waters have teeth. 336 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:29.920 And not even just crocodiles. Sometimes you have bull sharks too. 337 00:19:32.490 --> 00:19:37.059 So we've mentioned this before, but the carriage of Mick 338 00:19:37.099 --> 00:19:40.420 Taylor is loosely based on the Australian serial killer Ivan Milat, 339 00:19:40.460 --> 00:19:44.210 who was serving a life sentence in Australian jail until 340 00:19:44.269 --> 00:19:47.130 he died, thankfully, on October 27th, 2019. Now, we've covered Milat. 341 00:19:50.049 --> 00:19:53.220 actually going to be doing a revisit, probably next year, 342 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:55.640 I think. We're going to be revisiting some of those 343 00:19:55.839 --> 00:20:01.119 old episodes where Holly's research skills and my speaking skills 344 00:20:01.140 --> 00:20:05.319 were not great. We hadn't learned yet. 345 00:20:05.500 --> 00:20:07.259 The technology wasn't quite up to date. 346 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:12.140 The technology wasn't quite there. So it's time to sort 347 00:20:12.180 --> 00:20:16.259 of go back and, you know, revisit some of this 348 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:19.400 stuff and we'll probably do a revisiting of Malat in 349 00:20:19.420 --> 00:20:23.150 the near future. Baby goats are cute, but they're also pricks. 350 00:20:24.049 --> 00:20:31.529 Goats just in general are pricks. Poor little Goaty. 351 00:20:32.930 --> 00:20:36.849 Yeah, it was interesting there too, like the driver talking 352 00:20:36.910 --> 00:20:40.490 about Enjoy Nutella. And they're like, yeah, that's also in Europe. 353 00:20:40.619 --> 00:20:46.519 We also have Nutella. I hate Nutella. It's not, it 354 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:48.660 shouldn't be. You put it, you meant to put it 355 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:49.220 on toast? 356 00:20:49.380 --> 00:20:49.519 Yep. 357 00:20:50.319 --> 00:20:51.779 That's bad. That is so bad. 358 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:54.259 Realistically, everyone just eats it out of the jar. 359 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:55.809 Holly eats it out of the jar. 360 00:20:55.880 --> 00:20:59.069 Yes, I do. And I am not ashamed of that fact. 361 00:20:59.329 --> 00:21:01.509 Same as you eat Milo out of the jar. That's 362 00:21:01.650 --> 00:21:02.920 the entire reason to have it. 363 00:21:03.029 --> 00:21:05.250 That's Australian. That's Australian. 364 00:21:05.490 --> 00:21:07.809 The perfect way to eat Molo is to take two 365 00:21:07.869 -->

00:21:09.809 teaspoons out of the tin and then put milk in 366 00:21:09.849 --> 00:21:10.130 the tin. 367 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:17.019 Supposedly, there was a backstory on Mick Taylor written in 368 00:21:17.059 --> 00:21:19.099 the original script that was supposed to be shown in 369 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:23.680 this film. It revealed more details about Taylor's past, explaining 370 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:26.779 what made him become such a sadistic, violent serial killer. 371 00:21:27.259 --> 00:21:30.119 The idea was scrapped and nothing about it was ever filmed. 372 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:35.170 Later developments showed this in Mick Taylor's history, which would 373 00:21:35.190 --> 00:21:38.190 be finally revealed in the series Wolfcreep from 2016. So 374 00:21:38.390 --> 00:21:43.190 there's quite substantial gaps between all of these projects. That's 375 00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:46.680 probably the angle they should have taken. 376 00:21:46.859 --> 00:21:48.420 Yeah, like who is Mick Taylor? 377 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:50.680 Yeah, no, who is Mick Taylor? How do you make 378 00:21:50.759 --> 00:21:53.720 a Mick Taylor? Yeah. You know, what's his life like? 379 00:21:53.779 --> 00:21:57.200 What was his... parents like i suppose you're you're just 380 00:21:57.319 --> 00:22:02.839 you're limited in that because you would have to probably 381 00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:08.119 recast and you know or at least some of it 382 00:22:08.140 --> 00:22:10.029 would have to be set in the past with someone 383 00:22:10.069 --> 00:22:11.369 different you. 384 00:22:11.309 --> 00:22:15.029 Know there's also the fact that a movie is two 385 00:22:15.069 --> 00:22:17.390 and a half hours long whereas you get your series 386 00:22:17.450 --> 00:22:19.869 and you get six hours to play with hmm which 387 00:22:19.900 --> 00:22:21.990 means that you have time to revisit all those facts 388 00:22:22.029 --> 00:22:24.690 without cutting suspension or a kill or anything out of 389 00:22:24.950 --> 00:22:25.789 like a movie. 390 00:22:28.730 --> 00:22:31.750 Now, I wonder as well with this, like the inclusion 391 00:22:31.789 --> 00:22:36.130 of two German backpackers, I wonder if this was done 392 00:22:36.210 --> 00:22:42.029 because of the infamy around the Strobel murder, or I 393 00:22:42.089 --> 00:22:45.529 wonder if it's just going back to Ivan Milat again, 394 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:48.700 because there were, Who were the two? Do you remember 395 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:49.000 the names? 396 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:50.039 Schmidl and Neubauer. 397 00:22:50.140 --> 00:22:55.339 Yeah. And unfortunately, those two individuals were killed by Ivan Miller. 398 00:22:55.819 --> 00:23:00.569 I believe Schmidl and Neubauer both appeared in the Sound Garden. Sorry, 399 00:23:00.589 --> 00:23:02.410 Sound Asylum video, the first cut. 400 00:23:02.430 --> 00:23:05.849 There were three. Schmidl was one, and then two were 401 00:23:05.890 --> 00:23:08.190 in a second set, Neubauer and someone else. And I 402 00:23:08.230 --> 00:23:11.630 can't remember Neubauer's girlfriend's name. I'll look it up while 403 00:23:11.650 --> 00:23:14.450 we're talking. But it was Neubauer and his girlfriend that were. 404 00:23:15.660 --> 00:23:17.140 In the sole asylum. 405 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:21.960 And then not too long after that, yeah, the Strobel 406 00:23:21.980 --> 00:23:28.539 girl would be killed. Yeah. As well in Lismore, which 407 00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:32.349 involved another lot of German backpackers. So I suppose German 408 00:23:32.380 --> 00:23:40.690 backpacker was just on the mind of the creators, but... Habstead. It's... Habstead. Yeah. 409 00:23:42.450 --> 00:23:45.819 It's really sort of interesting that we're doing... It is 410 00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:50.400 the same movie again, just like sped up. Because I 411 00:23:50.480 --> 00:23:53.150 think these guys aren't our main characters. 412 00:23:54.130 --> 00:23:55.230 I don't remember this movie. 413 00:23:55.250 --> 00:23:57.069 I'm pretty sure they're not our main characters. 414 00:23:57.230 --> 00:23:59.049 I'm basically walking back into this fresh. 415 00:23:59.470 --> 00:24:03.690 I actually think it's a British dude ends up being 416 00:24:03.710 --> 00:24:07.339 the main character. And I suppose this is, it's this 417 00:24:07.500 --> 00:24:10.440 sort of thing where I understand why they went to 418 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:13.609 the TV series. Yeah. Because at least with the TV series, 419 00:24:13.650 --> 00:24:16.829 you can be a little bit more episodic. Whereas for me, 420 00:24:16.890 --> 00:24:21.730 this feels a little bit like we're going to do 421 00:24:21.819 --> 00:24:23.839 this bit from the first movie, then we're going to 422 00:24:23.859 --> 00:24:25.339 do this bit, then we're going to do this bit. 423 00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:29.359 And it doesn't necessarily feel as joined together. Because I 424 00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:31.960 think there was an immense amount of pressure to simply 425 00:24:32.019 --> 00:24:35.049 make another film that hit all the beats of the 426 00:24:35.109 --> 00:24:38.369 first one and then would be popular as opposed to 427 00:24:38.490 --> 00:24:41.329 what they do now, which is generally... When you get 428 00:24:41.390 --> 00:24:45.519 to a sequel now, it is radically different from the 429 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:46.190 first movie. 430 00:24:46.339 --> 00:24:49.059 Counter-argument. You watch a lot of movies. 431 00:24:52.299 --> 00:24:55.119 Well, I mean, tell me right now, have you seen 432 00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:57.700 anything different than what you saw in the first movie, 433 00:24:57.819 --> 00:24:58.549 only faster? 434 00:24:59.059 --> 00:25:01.740 I mean, it's basically the same movie, but it's also 435 00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:04.880 the same movies you get in Jason or Freddy or 436 00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:08.440 Michael or any of those guys will have the same, 437 00:25:08.500 --> 00:25:10.519

which is build up your victim so you feel bad 438 00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:12.569 when the killer jumps out of the shadows and stabs 439 00:25:12.589 --> 00:25:13.089 him in the face. 440 00:25:13.250 --> 00:25:17.190 But that's what I'm saying is that outside of the 441 00:25:17.309 --> 00:25:20.750 slasher genre, which this does fall into, I suppose. Yeah. 442 00:25:21.269 --> 00:25:25.869 Outside of the slasher genre, you don't generally see that 443 00:25:25.930 --> 00:25:27.190 happen anymore with sequels. 444 00:25:27.950 --> 00:25:30.450 Sorry, just as Mick Taylor's vehicle comes up out of 445 00:25:30.470 --> 00:25:32.759 the darkness, in the back of my head I heard 446 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:35.680 the Jaws theme. 447 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:38.900 Well, I mean, that's kind of the framing that you're 448 00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:44.039 looking at is, yeah, like it is sort of very 449 00:25:44.099 --> 00:25:47.000 much the Jaws, like his vehicle is Jaws. 450 00:25:47.180 --> 00:25:48.589 Coming up out of the dark depths. 451 00:25:49.309 --> 00:25:52.670 It's the monster. When you're building these sort of characters... 452 00:25:52.809 --> 00:25:56.109 And this isn't just applicable to Australian filmmaking. This is 453 00:25:56.150 --> 00:25:59.559 applicable to all filmmaking. When you're building these sort of characters, 454 00:25:59.650 --> 00:26:04.400 you have to give them imagery and iconography that we understand. 455 00:26:04.460 --> 00:26:06.599 We know who Batman is. He dresses as Big Bat 456 00:26:06.619 --> 00:26:08.720 and he has a bat signal. You know who Mick 457 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:13.289 Taylor is because you associate him with the worn-out Akubra 458 00:26:13.329 --> 00:26:16.809 hat and the flannelette and the. 459 00:26:17.109 --> 00:26:18.089 Dirty jeans. 460 00:26:19.250 --> 00:26:24.339 And the big sort of rough-and-tumble... I do take a 461 00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:26.700 bit of umbrage with these guys being out in the 462 00:26:26.740 --> 00:26:32.299 middle of nowhere and they're like, oh, you know, we're stuck, right? 463 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:36.279 I don't think these people would survive where they currently 464 00:26:36.339 --> 00:26:37.119 are with what they have. 465 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:40.049 No. I have not seen a single bottle of water 466 00:26:40.089 --> 00:26:40.940 hanging around anywhere. 467 00:26:41.369 --> 00:26:49.819 Yeah. And I think the fear of this... Again, it's 468 00:26:49.859 --> 00:26:52.900 sort of interesting. He kills the two police officers at 469 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:54.680 the start, so you do know what this guy is 470 00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:57.660 all about. But I think you do have to at 471 00:26:57.700 --> 00:27:01.000 least have some understanding of the first film to appreciate 472 00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:03.339 what's going on. And if you do have that understanding, 473 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:04.799 I think this film is less effective. 474 00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:08.039 Yeah. Because it's not really a suspense. It's more of 475 00:27:08.059 --> 00:27:10.079 a when rather than an if he. 476 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:18.920 Will kill them. Yeah. Yeah. It just... Yeah, overall, it's... Yeah, see... 477 00:27:20.450 --> 00:27:24.119 This just feels like a caricature for me. It doesn't 478 00:27:24.170 --> 00:27:30.119 feel like he's a real character. Whereas in the first movie, 479 00:27:30.220 --> 00:27:31.880 I feel like he is a person. 480 00:27:31.900 --> 00:27:32.240 Yeah. 481 00:27:32.339 --> 00:27:43.759 Okay. So, yeah. Nice little introduction here. I think the 482 00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:46.240 theme around this, and it will become more evident as 483 00:27:46.299 --> 00:27:51.500 we go on, is... This is the local being upset 484 00:27:52.539 --> 00:27:57.339 with the use of, how would I put it, the 485 00:27:57.460 --> 00:28:01.410 use of Australia for tourists. And they do play up 486 00:28:01.829 --> 00:28:05.049 more of that angle as the film goes on because 487 00:28:05.109 --> 00:28:07.950 more of the victims, he berates them for the way 488 00:28:08.009 --> 00:28:10.670 that they're touristing. If that makes sense. 489 00:28:10.990 --> 00:28:13.630 I mean, his point also, he's making a good point. 490 00:28:13.690 --> 00:28:15.269 If you didn't put the fire out, you're in the 491 00:28:15.289 --> 00:28:18.049 middle of a desert. If you let that fire go, 492 00:28:18.069 --> 00:28:21.109 it will spread and probably kill a lot of people. 493 00:28:21.509 --> 00:28:22.049 Yeah. 494 00:28:22.109 --> 00:28:24.230 That he doesn't get to kill, which will annoy the shit. 495 00:28:24.109 --> 00:28:27.950 Out of him. A hundred, a hundred percent. Right. But 496 00:28:28.690 --> 00:28:30.430 have a look at where they've put their fire. It's 497 00:28:30.470 --> 00:28:34.500 in the middle of sand. Yeah. You know, now, now 498 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:37.140 look again, I would say like, Hey, you know, you 499 00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:39.980 gotta be careful of, of having fires out there. But 500 00:28:40.099 --> 00:28:45.660 this is the quintessential Australian sticky bake, seeing a bunch 501 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.829 of tourists and giving them a lecture. And that is 502 00:28:49.130 --> 00:28:52.109 kind of the theme of this movie, because we also 503 00:28:52.190 --> 00:28:57.930 have a British backpacker, I think, at a certain point 504 00:28:57.970 --> 00:29:00.380 in this as well. And he gives him a big lecture, 505 00:29:00.410 --> 00:29:03.160 you know, oh, you're a pom, this is my country, 506 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:06.839 you don't need to be here. And a lot of 507 00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:12.259 suggestion has been made that Ivan Milat picked tourists exclusively 508 00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:17.440 because they were, like he did come from a very, 509 00:29:18.089 --> 00:29:21.170 you know, white supremacist family. Yeah. I would argue that 510 00:29:21.210 --> 00:29:23.430 he also picked tourists because

number one, they didn't have 511 00:29:23.490 --> 00:29:25.089 family that they were going to be able to contact 512 00:29:25.170 --> 00:29:27.630 right away. They didn't speak a lot of English. So 513 00:29:27.670 --> 00:29:30.089 if they did escape and want to be too big 514 00:29:30.130 --> 00:29:33.410 a deal, I think there was probably a racist element 515 00:29:33.450 --> 00:29:36.250 in there, but his victims, he also did kill some 516 00:29:36.309 --> 00:29:39.380 Australians as well. So I think, yeah, when it came 517 00:29:39.420 --> 00:29:46.599 to Taylor and Malat sharing that, I mean, I think it's, yeah, 518 00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:52.930 it's probable. Yeah, this is a thing that I, see, 519 00:29:53.009 --> 00:29:56.390 this is what I'm talking about, right? So now this 520 00:29:56.430 --> 00:30:00.490 has become his his thing. Yeah. Right. So we've got 521 00:30:00.549 --> 00:30:04.970 another victim and he's just paralyzed him as well. And 522 00:30:05.069 --> 00:30:08.099 I think that we're at this point now where that 523 00:30:08.180 --> 00:30:12.140 has become, you know, this calling card of him. And 524 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:16.940 I don't necessarily know whether that is, I don't even 525 00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.900 think it's particularly effective because in the first film, it's 526 00:30:20.009 --> 00:30:24.309 quite a horrific moment and it's quite scary. And it's, it's, 527 00:30:24.549 --> 00:30:26.559 it's quite, in your face. 528 00:30:27.180 --> 00:30:30.380 It's quiet and he explains exactly what he's going to 529 00:30:30.509 --> 00:30:31.069 do to them. 530 00:30:31.710 --> 00:30:33.970 And now it's like, this is McTaylor's calling card. He 531 00:30:34.009 --> 00:30:40.190 paralyzes people. Yeah. And I don't know necessarily whether that's 532 00:30:43.390 --> 00:30:53.079 particularly effective. The other thing that I find is really 533 00:30:53.160 --> 00:31:01.230 interesting about this series too, is implied, like, there's never 534 00:31:01.289 --> 00:31:06.950 any sexual violence, but the way that he treats the 535 00:31:07.049 --> 00:31:12.650 female victims, it might as well be. Yeah. And I 536 00:31:12.690 --> 00:31:16.779 find that quite interesting. But for this particular serial killer, 537 00:31:17.539 --> 00:31:19.220 it's just about the kill. 538 00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:19.599 Yeah. 539 00:31:20.500 --> 00:31:24.400 Right? There's no, but notice, like, the way they frame 540 00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:27.730 these scenes. particularly this one when he's on top of 541 00:31:28.329 --> 00:31:33.670 the German backpacker, these scenes and the way he treats 542 00:31:33.710 --> 00:31:37.569 the women in the first film as well, it invokes 543 00:31:38.589 --> 00:31:45.890 power imbalance, a seediness, especially right there, and it implies 544 00:31:45.930 --> 00:31:51.670 this seediness and what he's doing. But it never moves 545 00:31:51.750 --> 00:31:59.319 into a territory where That is, although, okay, maybe it does. See, 546 00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:05.759 it's been a little while since I've watched this movie. Okay, 547 00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:10.500 we're definitely at sexual violence levels. Yeah. Ah, that's interesting. So, 548 00:32:10.579 --> 00:32:11.660 he obviously missed. 549 00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:15.400 You got him in the kidney instead of the spine 550 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:15.859 or something? 551 00:32:18.339 --> 00:32:20.559 Okay, well, I truly, well and truly take it back. 552 00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:24.710 We did move into sexual assault territory. In this particular film. 553 00:32:25.569 --> 00:32:27.789 I always felt like it was more subtle and hinted 554 00:32:27.890 --> 00:32:28.970 at in the first movie. 555 00:32:29.130 --> 00:32:29.410 Yeah. 556 00:32:29.539 --> 00:32:33.220 But I guess... But again, as I was saying before, 557 00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:38.259 I suppose that, again, when you're doing the sequel, you're 558 00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:45.759 going to ramp it all up, aren't you? Mm-hmm. And yeah, 559 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:49.140 the violence and the gore in this one is very extreme. 560 00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:51.130 Yeah. Or. 561 00:32:52.890 --> 00:32:59.990 Extreme for 2013. Yeah. And I think perhaps... Oh! 562 00:33:01.029 --> 00:33:01.509 I don't know. 563 00:33:01.529 --> 00:33:04.769 It's still pretty rough. Look... I didn't ex. 564 00:33:05.410 --> 00:33:09.130 I have issues. I'm aware that I have issues. 565 00:33:10.069 --> 00:33:13.690 Um... Holly, are you going to explain to us... I'm 566 00:33:13.730 --> 00:33:15.400 going to do the butcher thing and... Do we need to? 567 00:33:15.970 --> 00:33:16.559 Do we need to? 568 00:33:16.579 --> 00:33:18.299 He's like as blunt as fuck if it took him 569 00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:20.680 that much soaring to cut his head off. Yeah. 570 00:33:21.869 --> 00:33:22.809 Do we need to? 571 00:33:23.250 --> 00:33:24.210 I'm just saying. 572 00:33:24.230 --> 00:33:28.839 Oh, dear, Holly. Dear, dear, dear, dear, dear. 573 00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:30.759 Look, people are listening to this because they know I 574 00:33:30.779 --> 00:33:33.079 have a perspective, and this is my perspective. I have 575 00:33:33.099 --> 00:33:35.380 a professional cutting people up perspective. 576 00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:41.460 Hmm. And then I look down for two seconds, so 577 00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:43.779 you just kill the second victim there? 578 00:33:44.660 --> 00:33:45.660 Yeah, I think so. 579 00:33:45.900 --> 00:33:46.200 Yeah. 580 00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:49.809 Now he's just like, well, that wasn't any fun. 581 00:33:51.089 --> 00:33:55.730 Well, I think like most serial killers, there is a 582 00:33:57.069 --> 00:34:03.569 methodology that they're trying to– there is a methodology that 583 00:34:03.609 --> 00:34:10.289 they like. There is also the fantasy of what they're doing. 584 00:34:10.309 --> 00:34:15.380 I mean, we've talked about this many times before, but 585 00:34:15.420

--> 00:34:19.639 it's about sexual gratification. Predominantly in male serial killers, it's 586 00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:25.699 about sexual gratification. And it's through fantasy. And for Mick 587 00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:30.099 Taylor there, the fantasy was interrupted. You know, part of 588 00:34:30.300 --> 00:34:41.880 him winning, for example, part of him winning is... Oh, 589 00:34:41.980 --> 00:34:44.360 that is a terrible joke that kind of tickled me 590 00:34:44.380 --> 00:34:49.539 a little bit there. This movie is silly, isn't it? 591 00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:52.809 It is. It is quite silly. So, Mick Taylor's butchering 592 00:34:53.050 --> 00:34:56.150 a person. And I suppose the implication there as well 593 00:34:56.210 --> 00:34:56.909 is cannibalism? 594 00:34:56.929 --> 00:35:02.289 I guess so. Because he's kind of doing it. 595 00:35:02.409 --> 00:35:05.789 Okay, Mr. Butcher. Now's probably the time for you to 596 00:35:05.809 --> 00:35:06.230 talk about this. 597 00:35:06.250 --> 00:35:08.130 You said you didn't want to hear about my issues. 598 00:35:08.230 --> 00:35:10.800 Is that what he's doing? It is. Because it looks 599 00:35:10.860 --> 00:35:12.000 to me like it's very. 600 00:35:12.019 --> 00:35:15.300 He's, quote unquote, dressing the carcass. 601 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:15.940 Yeah. 602 00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:19.559 Um. obviously he said he'll feed it to the dogs. Um, 603 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:24.059 but I have problems being specifically in that he's using 604 00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:29.130 a machete and somehow cutting through femurs. I don't understand that. 605 00:35:30.150 --> 00:35:31.670 That is not fucking possible. 606 00:35:33.050 --> 00:35:35.210 Well, I mean the, the parts of it were all 607 00:35:35.289 --> 00:35:37.889 sort of separated when it cuts back open to the scene, 608 00:35:37.989 --> 00:35:41.219 but cause you think you'd use a chainsaw or something. 609 00:35:41.579 --> 00:35:45.230 And I mean, Is this in the original cut? I 610 00:35:45.269 --> 00:35:45.750 don't think it is. 611 00:35:45.750 --> 00:35:46.780 I don't think it would be, you know. 612 00:35:46.969 --> 00:35:49.599 I don't think it would be because I can't imagine 613 00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:53.860 you getting this scene onto cinemas. 614 00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:54.380 No. 615 00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:57.340 Because it's pretty rough. 616 00:35:57.420 --> 00:36:01.960 This feels like the Joanne Lee's part. This feels like 617 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:05.130 the Joanne Lee's part where she's running for it. 618 00:36:06.050 --> 00:36:11.420 Yeah, that's right. So, again, talking about the real-life inspirations. Oh, actually, 619 00:36:11.460 --> 00:36:13.239 it would be a lot there too because, you know, 620 00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:18.760 she's got the cable tie around the wrists as well. And, 621 00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:23.280 you know, she disappeared into the scrub. And it was 622 00:36:24.219 --> 00:36:31.800 very difficult for trying to think of Murdoch to find her. See, 623 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:34.920 that case, the Joanne Lee's case would be interesting to 624 00:36:34.980 --> 00:36:38.059 approach from the perspective of if she did it, how 625 00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:43.179 could we make it fit? Yeah. But I think it's 626 00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:44.719 kind of... Oh, dear. 627 00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:46.900 It's exactly where you don't want to be, love. 628 00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:47.780 Yeah. 629 00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:51.739 Don't use the Prometheus. Run sideways. 630 00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:57.159 Yeah, that's... If you're not aware of what I was referencing, 631 00:36:57.579 --> 00:37:02.119 there is a prequel film to Aliens called Prometheus, and 632 00:37:02.260 --> 00:37:04.889 one of the main characters decides that they're just sort 633 00:37:04.909 --> 00:37:07.429 of going to run in a straight line while a 634 00:37:07.449 --> 00:37:10.710 spaceship crashes around them, which is what we're seeing now. 635 00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:13.880 Our main character do there, or at least a character 636 00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:17.340 do there, is stand in front of the vehicle instead 637 00:37:17.380 --> 00:37:20.579 of jumping off to the side or jumping off into 638 00:37:20.619 --> 00:37:21.079 the scrub. 639 00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:24.699 I mean, you can turn a lot faster than a car. 640 00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:26.820 I'm just saying. 641 00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:36.210 It's interesting, too, how Taylor is very worried about people 642 00:37:36.269 --> 00:37:39.780 escaping him. I mean, because if you think about the 643 00:37:39.820 --> 00:37:44.000 continuity of the first film, well, he's already been discovered 644 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:49.989 because someone's already made these accusations after surviving him that 645 00:37:50.030 --> 00:37:53.369 he is out there. Yeah, I suppose this is really 646 00:37:53.429 --> 00:37:55.710 the Joanne Lee's angle, isn't it? Yeah. Because I do 647 00:37:55.809 --> 00:37:57.369 believe this guy. 648 00:37:57.389 --> 00:37:59.860 I think this is the main. 649 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:02.940 I think this guy rescues her maybe. 650 00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:06.679 Or he tries to run her over by accident. Yeah. Ah, 651 00:38:06.739 --> 00:38:12.619 those tiny little iPhones. I remember back when iPhones were 652 00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:13.340 getting smaller. 653 00:38:13.619 --> 00:38:17.199 Yeah. I remember the big-ass brick, the first one I had. 654 00:38:17.260 --> 00:38:18.619 It was a thick boy. 655 00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:23.289 I miss my big-ass brick iPad. iPod. 656 00:38:23.809 --> 00:38:25.510 Yeah, yeah, I remember the iPods. 657 00:38:26.090 --> 00:38:27.710 Heavy enough that if someone tried to steal it, you'd 658 00:38:27.750 --> 00:38:28.579 hit them over the head with it. 659 00:38:30.150 --> 00:38:35.719 But again, you know, we're introducing another foreigner. the way 660 00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:39.440 that she is being discovered

there, the German backpacker, the 661 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:43.340 way she's been found is pretty much exactly how Lise 662 00:38:43.380 --> 00:38:46.139 was found, except it was a truck. It was a 663 00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:50.039 truck driver. Um, but yeah, she was found, her wrists 664 00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:56.639 were bound. Um, she was in a very, very similar state. Uh, 665 00:38:56.659 --> 00:38:58.780 but again, this is where I think we, there are 666 00:38:58.820 --> 00:39:01.699 problems with this film. Uh, I would ask you, you know, 667 00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:07.590 who is the main character? Uh, We've sped run through 668 00:39:08.110 --> 00:39:11.329 essentially the first movie to get you back to.... 669 00:39:14.300 --> 00:39:18.480 The final scene where Jesus, the guy who became Jesus, 670 00:39:18.579 --> 00:39:23.409 ran off. This is also like Paul Onions and the 671 00:39:23.489 --> 00:39:24.730 lady who picked him up as well. 672 00:39:25.769 --> 00:39:30.880 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. But I... again, because I haven't 673 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:32.809 watched this movie in a while, this is all sort of, 674 00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:36.500 you know, when you haven't watched a film, it's half 675 00:39:36.539 --> 00:39:38.820 me reacting to it because it's been some time since 676 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:42.599 I've watched it. This is a classic error in filmmaking 677 00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:46.179 where we're about 20 minutes in. What's the recording say? 678 00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:49.530 We should actually have about a time here, which will 679 00:39:49.570 --> 00:39:50.429 make this quite handy. 680 00:39:52.420 --> 00:39:54.039 We are currently sitting at 40 minutes. 681 00:39:54.099 --> 00:39:56.719 All right, you're 40 minutes in. Don't introduce new characters. 682 00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:00.940 If you're introducing new characters in at about 40 minutes 683 00:40:01.019 --> 00:40:07.039 into your film, unless it's a really well-written movie, you're 684 00:40:07.099 --> 00:40:07.900 in trouble. 685 00:40:07.980 --> 00:40:09.679 You're a fucking creeper. 686 00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:11.519 No, but this is what I'm saying. I know it 687 00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:13.820 makes sense. Remember what I was saying at the start 688 00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:17.369 of the commentary. What Holly is reacting to there is 689 00:40:17.429 --> 00:40:19.389 Mick Taylor had a big knife in his hand and 690 00:40:19.429 --> 00:40:21.960 he's licking the tip, being very... He wasn't. 691 00:40:21.889 --> 00:40:23.980 Even licking it. He was pretending he was going la-la-la-la. 692 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:27.679 Yeah, like he was fellating it, right? This is what 693 00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:30.719 I was talking about. Here's Bugs Bunny in this movie. 694 00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:32.360 Dark Bugs Bunny, yeah. 695 00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:38.619 Here's Dark Bugs Bunny. And I suppose around this time 696 00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:44.670 when you're talking about

horror... Saw 1, 2, 3. You 697 00:40:44.710 --> 00:40:48.010 had the Hostel movies as well. And I think horror 698 00:40:48.070 --> 00:40:50.800 was more about what they refer to as torture porn. 699 00:40:51.780 --> 00:40:55.260 And I think this movie suffers from that. Because I 700 00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:58.420 don't think of the first film in those terms. I 701 00:40:58.460 --> 00:41:00.820 don't think of them as torture porn movies. I don't 702 00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:05.679 think of them as gory films. It's more suggested and 703 00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:09.250 it's more terrifying because of the suggestion. Our poor cat 704 00:41:09.289 --> 00:41:10.929 Harley is looking traumatized. 705 00:41:11.909 --> 00:41:13.679 She's like, you're watching another horror film. 706 00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:16.539 It's all of the noises, you know, because I have 707 00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:22.800 been watching quite a few horror films over October, as 708 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:28.789 we always do with the Halloween spirit. We've talked about 709 00:41:28.829 --> 00:41:31.550 this before on many podcasts, but Halloween really isn't an 710 00:41:31.630 --> 00:41:32.409 Australian thing. 711 00:41:33.269 --> 00:41:37.820 It always surprises me when, like, a car or something 712 00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:39.900 will vanish off into the darkness like in this shot 713 00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:43.440 and it's just black. Like having lived in cities for 714 00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:46.360 most of my life, that kind of freaks me out 715 00:41:46.380 --> 00:41:48.090 a little bit that it's so dark. 716 00:41:49.250 --> 00:41:51.449 Yeah, but say when we're on our friend's property, like 717 00:41:51.469 --> 00:41:53.369 when we went camping a few years ago, that's what 718 00:41:53.389 --> 00:41:53.789 you got. 719 00:41:53.869 --> 00:41:54.110 Yeah. 720 00:41:54.349 --> 00:41:58.239 And I love it. I miss it. I was fascinated 721 00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:01.880 when we were out on the cruise when we went 722 00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:05.369 up to Harvey Bay and we went out on a 723 00:42:05.730 --> 00:42:10.090 cruise along the coast of Brisbane. And I was hoping 724 00:42:10.150 --> 00:42:12.349 for more moments like that, but I think the lights 725 00:42:12.429 --> 00:42:14.630 on the cruise ship were too bright. And so you 726 00:42:14.670 --> 00:42:19.519 didn't really get the stars. I miss being able to 727 00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:21.440 go out into a paddock and just looking up and 728 00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:26.480 just seeing nothing, you know, just beautiful stars. Yeah. When 729 00:42:26.500 --> 00:42:29.420 you live in a city, and even a small city 730 00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:30.679 like Canberra. 731 00:42:31.099 --> 00:42:32.139 You gotta. 732 00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:35.400 You still get all that light pollution. Yeah, so that's 733 00:42:35.460 --> 00:42:36.199 our second victim. 734 00:42:36.619 --> 00:42:37.440 Yeah, you gotta. 735 00:42:38.420 --> 00:42:45.550 Who shot through the cheek and somehow died? I think? Ah, okay. Right. 736 00:42:46.269 --> 00:42:48.269 What kind of magic gun is he using? 737 00:42:48.349 --> 00:42:49.869 He's using a bolt-action rifle. 738 00:42:51.090 --> 00:42:54.110 Right, so why is it exploding? Like, so it's a rifle. 739 00:42:54.130 --> 00:42:55.590 It's probably got hollow points or something. 740 00:42:55.650 --> 00:42:55.869 All right. 741 00:42:56.650 --> 00:42:59.610 I don't know how guns work in case you can't tell. 742 00:42:59.630 --> 00:43:03.190 So for our gun nuts, if there's anyone who listens 743 00:43:03.230 --> 00:43:06.429 to this and can help me out, I'm pretty sure 744 00:43:06.489 --> 00:43:09.889 he's just got a standard long rifle there. It has 745 00:43:09.949 --> 00:43:13.800 the capacity to blow off someone's half a person's head 746 00:43:14.659 --> 00:43:20.059 from at least a 50 meter distance. It just blew 747 00:43:20.219 --> 00:43:23.659 out a person's cheek at short range, but the entry 748 00:43:23.739 --> 00:43:27.340 wound is tiny. Can you tell me what magic gun 749 00:43:27.380 --> 00:43:30.460 this is that he's packing? Because it seems like it's 750 00:43:30.500 --> 00:43:34.199 a magic gun. It just does whatever the writer needs 751 00:43:34.260 --> 00:43:37.710 it to do. You know, this sort of film critique too, 752 00:43:40.170 --> 00:43:41.989 like people would say to me, look, it's a silly 753 00:43:42.050 --> 00:43:44.409 horror film. It's meant to be gory. It's meant to 754 00:43:44.449 --> 00:43:48.829 be scary. You know, why are you putting so much 755 00:43:48.929 --> 00:43:52.110 onto it? And the reason for that is it's because 756 00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:55.590 the first film is so good. Yeah. Because everything in 757 00:43:55.610 --> 00:43:58.409 the first film works and it's so well written and 758 00:43:58.469 --> 00:44:00.989 it's such a good idea and all the characters are 759 00:44:01.030 --> 00:44:04.550 great and all the acting is fantastic and it feels 760 00:44:04.610 --> 00:44:09.469 more grounded. Whereas once you get to this one, you 761 00:44:09.510 --> 00:44:12.760 can see all of the problems of trying to sequelize 762 00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:15.420 this as well. But you can do it. I love 763 00:44:15.460 --> 00:44:20.199 the first season of the Wolf Creek series. I'm pretty 764 00:44:20.219 --> 00:44:22.980 sure the American girl is in the first season because 765 00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.829 I think she's on the front cover. Yeah. I can't 766 00:44:25.849 --> 00:44:28.909 remember the second season too well. No. I think that's 767 00:44:28.929 --> 00:44:31.030 when they start introducing the magical elements. 768 00:44:31.050 --> 00:44:32.230 It's when they're going a bit crazy. 769 00:44:32.389 --> 00:44:35.230 They introduce the magical element in the end of the 770 00:44:35.369 --> 00:44:36.070 first season. 771 00:44:36.190 --> 00:44:41.369 Yeah. So Mick Taylor's hunting rifle, the one that we're 772

00:44:41.409 --> 00:44:46.969 seeing him with here, is a Remington 700, which is a. 308. 773 00:44:46.969 --> 00:44:48.710 Can it explode people's heads? 774 00:44:48.750 --> 00:44:51.769 Exaggerated for the movie. It's not that explosive. 775 00:44:51.969 --> 00:44:55.139 I was about to say, because this... This thing is 776 00:44:55.280 --> 00:45:01.519 operating like a, you know, God only knows. So, I 777 00:45:04.010 --> 00:45:10.389 don't know what this guy is doing. Right? Yeah. So, 778 00:45:10.429 --> 00:45:15.760 he's got a car. I suppose... Like, is the suggestion 779 00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:20.000 that he could be implicated in the murder? Yeah, possibly. 780 00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:23.179 And so he's going to dump her because people won't 781 00:45:23.219 --> 00:45:24.659 believe the story? Is that. 782 00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:29.010 I mean, I feel that that is an understandable idea. 783 00:45:29.030 --> 00:45:34.090 Yeah, I don't hate that idea. I don't hate that idea, honestly. 784 00:45:34.110 --> 00:45:37.110 Because you're the only person in the outback and the 785 00:45:37.210 --> 00:45:43.269 only other witness is dead. So... And the window was 786 00:45:43.309 --> 00:45:45.130 down when she was shot, so it's not like you 787 00:45:45.150 --> 00:45:46.880 could prove that they shot through the window. 788 00:45:46.889 --> 00:45:51.679 Yeah. Yeah, and unfortunately, he's also wearing a denim jacket. 789 00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:55.099 You feel that that is a character flaw, do you? 790 00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:01.320 I don't know if it's an Australian thing, but at 791 00:46:03.610 --> 00:46:06.110 least my mum loved to put her kids in denim. 792 00:46:06.469 --> 00:46:10.590 Growing up, denim jeans, denim jackets, all that sort of stuff. 793 00:46:10.769 --> 00:46:11.570 Denim, denim, denim. 794 00:46:11.860 --> 00:46:19.400 And when my niece visited, they were also packing the denim. 795 00:46:19.579 --> 00:46:19.840 Yeah. 796 00:46:20.860 --> 00:46:22.949 Is that an Australian thing, just put our kids in denim? 797 00:46:22.969 --> 00:46:24.610 I don't know. Or does everyone put their little kids 798 00:46:24.670 --> 00:46:27.329 in denim? I don't know. So when I say an 799 00:46:27.349 --> 00:46:31.699 adult in a denim jacket, it weirds me out. Definitely 800 00:46:31.739 --> 00:46:38.360 weirds me out. So, yeah, I mean, you've written stuff before. 801 00:46:38.420 --> 00:46:40.590 I've written stuff before. Is it a good idea to 802 00:46:40.659 --> 00:46:43.570 introduce your main character about 50 minutes into a movie? 803 00:46:44.769 --> 00:46:49.010 Look, I would usually say no, but my latest book 804 00:46:49.369 --> 00:46:50.210 says otherwise. 805 00:46:51.730 --> 00:46:55.090 I look forward to reading that book and critiquing it 806 00:46:55.110 --> 00:46:55.559 and helping you. 807 00:46:55.570 --> 00:47:00.170 Making me cry. I mean, to be fair, that book 808 00:47:00.230 --> 00:47:02.130 is an ensemble, so you kind of

have to keep 809 00:47:02.150 --> 00:47:07.929 introducing characters so it doesn't get boring. A green old sunrise. 810 00:47:09.389 --> 00:47:10.530 Drifting across the dust. 811 00:47:14.389 --> 00:47:17.380 So this is also an example of mostly practical effects. 812 00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:21.880 I don't think there is much CGI. I think there's 813 00:47:22.179 --> 00:47:26.960 one scene maybe that is CGI. I'll talk about that 814 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:29.739 a little bit when Bugs Bunny pops back up again. 815 00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:39.300 He's paranoid enough that he's actually driving in zigzags just 816 00:47:39.340 --> 00:47:41.099 to make sure Taylor can't get in trouble. 817 00:47:41.139 --> 00:47:42.780 Is he driving in zigzags? He was. 818 00:47:43.179 --> 00:47:44.920 Even when he was driving on a flat surface, he 819 00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:46.380 was driving in small zigzags. 820 00:47:48.929 --> 00:47:51.349 Please tell me that tiny little fence is not going 821 00:47:51.369 --> 00:47:51.809 to just... No, no. 822 00:47:51.829 --> 00:47:53.829 He's just driven straight over it because it's just star 823 00:47:53.869 --> 00:47:54.530 pickets and wire. 824 00:47:54.909 --> 00:47:57.690 Unfortunately for him, he is driving a Jeep. Yeah. 825 00:47:57.909 --> 00:47:59.550 So it will break down in like 20 minutes. 826 00:47:59.909 --> 00:48:03.309 Yeah. It's a bit of a joke here in Australia 827 00:48:03.429 --> 00:48:06.489 if you end up being a Jeep owner. So you 828 00:48:06.550 --> 00:48:13.449 have to import Jeep parts, and they're incredibly unreliable vehicles. 829 00:48:14.269 --> 00:48:17.170 You have to import them, I think, from America, aren't they? 830 00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:17.639 I believe so. 831 00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:21.079 You would never, ever see. I mean, here's a tourist. 832 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.500 Here's a British tourist. That's probably why he's in a Jeep. 833 00:48:25.260 --> 00:48:31.719 You would never, ever, ever go into the outback in 834 00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:34.280 an American Jeep. You would just not do it. 835 00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:38.280 Dude, it doesn't matter who that is. You are being 836 00:48:38.340 --> 00:48:40.070 hunted by people. Just keep fucking driving. 837 00:48:40.090 --> 00:48:41.730 Isn't his vehicle working though? It is. 838 00:48:42.090 --> 00:48:49.309 He's just lost. They think you might be a killer, dude. 839 00:48:49.329 --> 00:48:50.829 They're not going to pick you up. You're covered in blood. 840 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:54.059 I found it fascinating the other day. I read a 841 00:48:54.079 --> 00:49:00.239 Guardian article about a dude who did a big... They 842 00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:04.039 actually did a big hitchhike across Australia. Yeah. I didn't 843 00:49:04.059 --> 00:49:06.219 think anyone was stupid enough to still hitchhike. 844 00:49:07.179 --> 00:49:07.900 Apparently so. 845 00:49:08.659 --> 00:49:12.360 On a Saturday night in Canberra when I'm coming home,

846 00:49:12.429 --> 00:49:15.760 so I'll get home at about 5am on a Sunday 847 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:20.500 morning because I walk the streets because Holly sends me 848 00:49:20.619 --> 00:49:29.989 out as a sex worker to make money. So at 849 00:49:30.010 --> 00:49:34.110 about 5am I'll be on the road heading home and 850 00:49:34.369 --> 00:49:38.250 more often than not I'll see people hitchhiking. It's usually 851 00:49:38.269 --> 00:49:39.869 because they got drunk in Civic. 852 00:49:40.050 --> 00:49:40.210 Yeah. 853 00:49:40.369 --> 00:49:43.809 And they think they'll get a quick ride home. 854 00:49:43.969 --> 00:49:44.929 Yeah. 855 00:49:45.030 --> 00:49:46.849 Not in your life would I ever pick them up. 856 00:49:47.170 --> 00:49:49.710 Not on your bloody life would I ever pick anyone 857 00:49:49.769 --> 00:49:52.590 up that early in the morning. They would have to 858 00:49:52.630 --> 00:49:54.630 look in distress and all I do is pull over 859 00:49:54.650 --> 00:49:56.809 and call the police and wait for the police to come. 860 00:49:57.429 --> 00:49:59.030 I wouldn't leave them, but I wouldn't get out of 861 00:49:59.050 --> 00:50:03.989 the car. Yeah. Right. Now, this is where we have 862 00:50:04.010 --> 00:50:05.380 to upgrade Mick Taylor. Yeah. 863 00:50:06.739 --> 00:50:09.239 So now he's driving a fucking sheep truck. 864 00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:13.329 Like Ghost Rider. He gets a little car, a little motorcycle, 865 00:50:13.369 --> 00:50:14.250 and then he gets a car. 866 00:50:16.550 --> 00:50:18.090 Who did he have to kill to get that? 867 00:50:19.750 --> 00:50:23.750 Well, see, this is, I'm telling you, this is Bugs Bunny. 868 00:50:23.989 --> 00:50:24.570 Yeah, it is. 869 00:50:24.710 --> 00:50:27.030 Like, when I said that this was a Bugs Bunny movie, 870 00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:28.820 I mean it. This is Looney Tunes. 871 00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:31.380 The good thing that you've got going for you, mate, 872 00:50:31.500 --> 00:50:34.630 is the fact that he won't be able to turn 873 00:50:34.750 --> 00:50:38.889 or stop very quickly. So if you'd pulled a Yui 874 00:50:38.909 --> 00:50:40.429 that second, you would have probably gotten away. 875 00:50:40.449 --> 00:50:48.289 A U-turn for all of our international listeners. So this 876 00:50:48.389 --> 00:50:52.250 is where it gets into sort of road games territory. 877 00:50:53.050 --> 00:50:56.329 But yeah, every time Mick Taylor pops back up, he's 878 00:50:56.369 --> 00:51:01.010 more exaggerated. It is the Looney Tunes of the Wolf 879 00:51:01.030 --> 00:51:01.630 Creek series. 880 00:51:01.769 --> 00:51:05.659 It is ridiculous is what it is. It's a South 881 00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:06.679 Australian Jeep too. 882 00:51:06.699 --> 00:51:10.250 Well, it's registered in South Australia. 883 00:51:10.550 --> 00:51:13.809 Yeah. But yeah, I find it funny. I think South 884 00:51:13.829 --> 00:51:15.869 Australia is the only state where you can tell where 885 00:51:15.909 -->

00:51:17.750 it's from just from the starting two letters of the 886 00:51:17.829 --> 00:51:18.409 number plate. 887 00:51:18.909 --> 00:51:21.550 Would you expect a truck that big to be able 888 00:51:21.570 --> 00:51:23.309 to reach that speed? Yes. 889 00:51:24.250 --> 00:51:26.469 Once it started going, it could get pretty fast. 890 00:51:26.489 --> 00:51:27.449 Don't they put limiters on them? 891 00:51:27.650 --> 00:51:30.090 They do. But if you knock the limiters off, which 892 00:51:30.130 --> 00:51:33.070 a lot of truck drivers do... you can get up 893 00:51:33.230 --> 00:51:35.409 pretty much as fast as a normal car. 894 00:51:35.869 --> 00:51:40.869 Because I think the implication here, like, so you think 895 00:51:40.909 --> 00:51:42.179 that he stole the vehicle? 896 00:51:42.510 --> 00:51:44.719 He already said that he killed the person down in 897 00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:45.900 the hovel next to him. 898 00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:46.880 Oh, right, right. 899 00:51:47.460 --> 00:51:48.900 That's why I said, who did you have to kill? 900 00:51:49.260 --> 00:51:51.340 I suppose for me, when I watched this movie the 901 00:51:51.380 --> 00:51:53.380 first time, I just assumed he has, like, a fleet 902 00:51:53.420 --> 00:51:56.500 of vehicles and he just upgrades. Like, he's just, it's 903 00:51:56.539 --> 00:52:00.909 like Batman. Yeah. No, no. He's got his serial killer 904 00:52:00.929 --> 00:52:04.650 truck and he's got his serial killer ute and he's 905 00:52:04.690 --> 00:52:05.909 got his serial killer boat. 906 00:52:06.070 --> 00:52:08.510 Obligatory shot of kangaroos. 907 00:52:09.500 --> 00:52:11.880 Not in the way that you think. And this is 908 00:52:11.900 --> 00:52:13.860 where I think the first bit of, I think the 909 00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:18.760 only bit of CGI is actually used in this. Not 910 00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:20.159 in the way you think, Holly. 911 00:52:20.780 --> 00:52:20.940 Hmm. 912 00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:23.679 So, you know, why would you have kangaroos in a 913 00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:24.300 movie like this? 914 00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:26.860 Because they're about to jump in front of the car, 915 00:52:26.900 --> 00:52:29.980 just like every other kangaroo in this bloody country does. 916 00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:33.500 And here comes the most Looney Tunes moment of this 917 00:52:33.619 --> 00:52:40.710 entire movie, where Mick Taylor uses his truck to just... 918 00:52:40.829 --> 00:52:56.369 Obliterate a kangaroo? Explode CGI kangaroos. I don't understand. I'm 919 00:52:56.449 --> 00:53:00.210 not laughing at the animal cruelty. I just am laughing 920 00:53:00.289 --> 00:53:07.369 at the ridiculousness of this scene. That's probably up a 921 00:53:07.409 --> 00:53:10.070 little bit loud. Probably came up on the recording there. 922 00:53:10.469 --> 00:53:14.590 But it's just the ridiculousness of him just smashing through 923 00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:20.239 kangaroos with a truck. And I can't take this movie seriously. 924 00:53:20.710 --> 00:53:24.050 I can take the first movie seriously. I cannot take 925 00:53:24.090 --> 00:53:25.130 this movie seriously. 926 00:53:25.849 --> 00:53:29.460 There's no real suspension in this movie either. There's no suspense. 927 00:53:29.820 --> 00:53:32.800 It wasn't bad CGI for that one shot, though. 928 00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:35.300 I have to say. For the kangaroos, for 2013, for kangaroos. 929 00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:37.780 Yeah. Animal CGI was pretty terrible. 930 00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:41.340 I mean, it's kind of on the level of Kangaroo 931 00:53:41.380 --> 00:53:43.380 Jack's kangaroos, but you know. 932 00:53:44.889 --> 00:53:46.369 We could talk about that movie. 933 00:53:46.670 --> 00:53:48.010 I don't want to talk about it. I don't ever 934 00:53:48.050 --> 00:53:49.489 want to see that movie again. 935 00:53:49.889 --> 00:53:52.599 So, did you know Kangaroo Jack? Because it's an American 936 00:53:52.659 --> 00:53:56.239 film set in Australia. Kangaroo Jack was actually meant to 937 00:53:56.300 --> 00:53:59.260 be a raunchy, bawdy, like, sex comedy. 938 00:53:59.340 --> 00:54:00.179 Yeah, I've heard that. 939 00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:05.300 Yeah. And because they did that trailer with the CGI kangaroo. Yeah. 940 00:54:05.949 --> 00:54:08.130 And he's, like, wearing the hoodie and he's like, you know, hey, 941 00:54:08.230 --> 00:54:10.769 I'm Jack and I'm here to say I like to 942 00:54:10.889 --> 00:54:12.710 rap in the kangaroo way. Right? 943 00:54:12.929 --> 00:54:16.500 Yeah. How is this meant to be suspenseful considering he's 944 00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:20.579 driving a sheep truck up a hill? He is further 945 00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:22.039 and further away. 946 00:54:22.059 --> 00:54:24.639 That's what I mean. Like, for a pursuit vehicle, I 947 00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:26.840 don't understand why he upgraded to a truck. 948 00:54:26.860 --> 00:54:29.349 I mean, it's power. It's probably the only truck that 949 00:54:29.389 --> 00:54:31.349 he could get hold of considering his truck had a 950 00:54:31.429 --> 00:54:33.920 tree stumped through the radiator, but.... 951 00:54:36.150 --> 00:54:40.429 Yeah, this... So right now, do you feel particularly anything 952 00:54:40.510 --> 00:54:43.550 about the main character? No. No. And why not? 953 00:54:43.570 --> 00:54:44.550 Because there's no development. 954 00:54:44.570 --> 00:54:49.510 Because we haven't developed him. Whereas the other three, the 955 00:54:49.570 --> 00:54:52.369 three victims in the first film, you know them. 956 00:54:52.510 --> 00:54:52.710 Yeah. 957 00:54:53.030 --> 00:54:56.090 You know them very well. And the first season of 958 00:54:56.130 --> 00:54:58.690 the TV show, you know her very well. 959 00:54:58.849 --> 00:54:59.010 Yeah. 960 00:54:59.230 --> 00:55:04.280 You understand her situation very, very well. And that's, it's 961 00:55:04.340 --> 00:55:06.579 a problem when you're just like, we just need to 962 00:55:06.780

--> 00:55:09.440 up all of the gore. We just need to up 963 00:55:09.699 --> 00:55:12.420 all of the violence. That's all this movie needs to be. 964 00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:15.449 And we need to make money quickly. And I feel 965 00:55:15.489 --> 00:55:16.849 like that's why it was pumped out. 966 00:55:16.869 --> 00:55:22.329 Oh, this is going to suck for you, bro. Is 967 00:55:22.349 --> 00:55:25.550 this meant to be a commercial for Jeeps? Because if so, 968 00:55:25.590 --> 00:55:26.750 it should have been a Toyota Hilux. 969 00:55:27.579 --> 00:55:29.969 I think the joke is the Jeep's a shit. That's 970 00:55:30.010 --> 00:55:32.150 why it's just slowly broken down. 971 00:55:32.269 --> 00:55:34.210 Well, it ran out of petrol. That's why he stopped. 972 00:55:34.230 --> 00:55:37.389 Part of it broke off before he took that. 973 00:55:37.610 --> 00:55:41.309 It was still going right up until Mick Taylor knocked 974 00:55:41.349 --> 00:55:44.909 him off the cliff, off the hill. Embankment, I guess 975 00:55:45.010 --> 00:55:47.219 the word is. It's interesting. 976 00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:48.960 I was just looking through the trivia as well. There 977 00:55:48.980 --> 00:55:52.739 really isn't much trivia on this particular film. I don't 978 00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:56.739 think it's particularly well-received. I don't think it was well-received by... 979 00:55:57.369 --> 00:56:00.789 people who liked it uh like really liked the first 980 00:56:00.909 --> 00:56:03.570 one yeah um if i have a look at the 981 00:56:04.090 --> 00:56:10.869 imdb rating yeah it sits at about a 6.2. 982 00:56:09.690 --> 00:56:13.719 It's kind of a you're standing there with your arms 983 00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:16.900 up do you want him to shoot you because this 984 00:56:16.980 --> 00:56:23.420 is how you get shot i suppose. 985 00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:24.679 Everyone gets to a point where they they're done yeah 986 00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:27.260 true You know, and for this character, he's done. 987 00:56:27.500 --> 00:56:32.659 You threw me off a cliff. Fuck it. Shoot me. 988 00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:36.179 Roll down a hill. Now the Jeep is going to 989 00:56:36.219 --> 00:56:37.510 explode because it's a Jeep. 990 00:56:37.530 --> 00:56:41.510 You've got no petrol to explode. Ah, yes, your half 991 00:56:41.570 --> 00:56:44.510 bottle of water. That will sustain you for approximately five minutes. 992 00:56:48.230 --> 00:56:51.780 I do like the fact, though, that this movie does.... 993 00:56:53.630 --> 00:56:54.210 Oh, shit. 994 00:56:55.570 --> 00:56:57.869 I told you, it's Bugs Bunny. 995 00:57:00.010 --> 00:57:02.250 What is the point of this? He saw it coming, 996 00:57:02.289 --> 00:57:04.840 he can get out of the way. You've just wasted 997 00:57:04.860 --> 00:57:05.840 your truck for nothing. 998 00:57:06.579 --> 00:57:13.820 Yeah, so Mick Taylor just threw a truck at him? Yeah. 999 00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:21.099 And this is the question. Art through adversity? Or

we'll 1000 00:57:21.139 --> 00:57:23.510 give you all the money to do everything you want 1001 00:57:23.570 --> 00:57:23.780 to do? 1002 00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:27.960 What's your budget? I'll knock about, if it's a $ 20 1003 00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:30.460 million budget, I'll knock $ 5 million off. You have to 1004 00:57:30.500 --> 00:57:32.980 make it in 15. That will make sure that you 1005 00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:35.739 do everything as well and as cheaply as you can 1006 00:57:35.780 --> 00:57:38.690 while also going through art through adversity. You get a 1007 00:57:38.730 --> 00:57:40.849 bigger budget, but not quite as much as you want. 1008 00:57:41.769 --> 00:57:44.090 I think that in the case of this, they gave 1009 00:57:44.130 --> 00:57:46.590 them a bigger budget and they were more interested about 1010 00:57:46.670 --> 00:57:49.449 writing spectacle than they were about writing a movie. 1011 00:57:49.570 --> 00:57:51.070 Yeah, it definitely feels like it. 1012 00:57:51.710 --> 00:57:54.909 I think they were approached again. It's like Screen Australia said, hey, 1013 00:57:54.949 --> 00:57:57.840 this did really well for us. We think we can 1014 00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:01.099 take another crack at it. Well, I'd love to know 1015 00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:05.320 where the inception come from because I don't understand quite 1016 00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:11.409 how Glenn McLean went from writing very, very well to 1017 00:58:12.030 --> 00:58:13.349 slapping this thing together. 1018 00:58:13.510 --> 00:58:14.090 Greg McLean. 1019 00:58:14.289 --> 00:58:17.730 Sorry, Greg McLean. I apologize, Greg McLean, if you listen 1020 00:58:17.750 --> 00:58:20.530 to these episodes, which I'm sure you don't. I'm not 1021 00:58:20.590 --> 00:58:26.380 quite sure how this got slapped together after the first 1022 00:58:26.469 --> 00:58:29.179 one being so good and then the first season of 1023 00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:30.280 the show being very good. 1024 00:58:30.300 --> 00:58:32.860 There's not that much difference in the budget. 1.4 for 1025 00:58:33.019 --> 00:58:35.820 the first one, 1.7 for the second one. It's barely inflation. 1026 00:58:36.659 --> 00:58:41.980 That's interesting. I guess, I suppose they just got more ambitious. 1027 00:58:42.300 --> 00:58:42.719 I guess. 1028 00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:46.380 You know, because there's a little bit of CGI in 1029 00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:47.539 there for this one. 1030 00:58:47.739 --> 00:58:50.639 That would have been the extra 300. 1031 00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:53.300 Okay, I take it back. I guess they didn't get 1032 00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:54.079 much of a budget. 1033 00:58:54.380 --> 00:58:56.559 Rogue, which he made in the middle, got a lot 1034 00:58:56.599 --> 00:58:58.079 more than that. It was $ 25 million. 1035 00:58:58.239 --> 00:59:01.449 I like Rogue. Well, Rogue has a big CGI crocodile 1036 00:59:01.510 --> 00:59:01.690 in it. 1037 00:59:01.849 --> 00:59:03.769 Yes, that is the premise of the

entire film. 1038 00:59:04.150 --> 00:59:07.630 Yeah. So in order to have a big CGI crocodile, 1039 00:59:07.690 --> 00:59:10.840 you need a lot of money. Yeah. think Rogue was 1040 00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:14.739 a financial disaster as well. Like that was the, I 1041 00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:18.179 think it was American company that financed Rogue. If you 1042 00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:21.139 have a look there, you'll see, I think it was 1043 00:59:21.219 --> 00:59:27.150 New Line Cinema who funded Rogue, I believe. 1044 00:59:27.170 --> 00:59:27.250 Yeah. 1045 00:59:28.590 --> 00:59:34.250 Production companies, Village, Dimension. Yeah, Dimension. Yeah. Yeah, so that 1046 00:59:34.309 --> 00:59:38.190 had co-financing by an American outfit. That's how you get 1047 00:59:38.349 --> 00:59:39.590 to $ 25 million. Yeah. 1048 00:59:40.909 --> 00:59:43.039 See, that's probably the only reason he got $ 25 million. 1049 00:59:44.059 --> 00:59:49.360 Dimension Films, which I believe were a division of Miramax. 1050 00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:50.219 Weinstein, yeah. 1051 00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:56.750 Yeah. You know, he actually, Harvey Weinstein, was before the 1052 00:59:56.769 --> 00:59:59.989 courts again for a retrial. And there's still like, I'm 1053 01:00:00.010 --> 01:00:01.730 just an old man in a wheelchair. 1054 01:00:01.750 --> 01:00:10.670 I hate those frigging weeds. Those seeds stick to you 1055 01:00:10.869 --> 01:00:13.050 everywhere and they're spiky as shit too. 1056 01:00:13.780 --> 01:00:16.179 Everything in Australia just wants to hurt you. 1057 01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:19.320 It wants to either stick in your skin or eat 1058 01:00:19.340 --> 01:00:22.920 your skin. Because those things are all around Mildura at 1059 01:00:23.019 --> 01:00:24.760 one point when I was living there. So I know 1060 01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:25.400 what they're like. 1061 01:00:25.820 --> 01:00:30.369 Now he's going to throw the bottle away. I find 1062 01:00:30.409 --> 01:00:34.969 that fascinating in films where someone is struggling with water 1063 01:00:36.110 --> 01:00:38.929 and they drink their last couple of drops and then 1064 01:00:38.989 --> 01:00:41.130 throw the bottle away. 1065 01:00:41.150 --> 01:00:42.710 It's like, no, you hold on to it so when 1066 01:00:42.750 --> 01:00:44.320 you find water, you can fill it back up. 1067 01:00:44.329 --> 01:00:45.369 I'm like, what are you going to do when you 1068 01:00:45.389 --> 01:00:55.320 find water again? You have no bottle. And getting... I 1069 01:00:55.380 --> 01:00:59.369 love those old classic Australian sort of colonial designed houses. Yeah. 1070 01:00:59.929 --> 01:01:00.650 The old cottages. 1071 01:01:01.030 --> 01:01:07.559 They're the cottages, red brick with your corrugated sheeting for 1072 01:01:07.579 --> 01:01:10.639 the roof. I would love to be able to buy 1073 01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:14.510 one and restore one, but I spend too much money 1074 01:01:14.570 --> 01:01:16.010 on shit. 1075 01:01:16.030 --> 01:01:17.750 If we win the lottery. We didn't win the lottery 1076 01:01:17.789 --> 01:01:18.429 this week. 1077 01:01:18.489 --> 01:01:19.210 Someone did. 1078 01:01:19.389 --> 01:01:20.710 Yeah, someone did. 1079 01:01:20.710 --> 01:01:24.440 $ 100 million. Dan in Benalla. Oof. 1080 01:01:25.530 --> 01:01:27.909 I mean, there are enough people in Australia. Surely one 1081 01:01:27.949 --> 01:01:28.719 day it will be our turn. 1082 01:01:28.860 --> 01:01:30.400 It's a good shot. Yes. 1083 01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:32.300 They're carrying both arms, aren't they? 1084 01:01:32.659 --> 01:01:33.679 My aunt won twice. 1085 01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.360 Well, obviously your aunt took our version. 1086 01:01:37.420 --> 01:01:41.130 She took the luck? Yeah. And I won, I think, 1087 01:01:41.210 --> 01:01:46.150 quarter of a million the first time and two-thirds the 1088 01:01:46.190 --> 01:01:46.690 second time. 1089 01:01:50.190 --> 01:01:51.570 Original wooden floors, too. 1090 01:01:53.300 --> 01:01:55.940 You can tell we're millennials. We're just like, look at that. 1091 01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:58.639 This run-down house. I really wish I could afford to 1092 01:01:58.659 --> 01:02:06.239 get it. So those kind of houses always remind me 1093 01:02:06.260 --> 01:02:10.469 of things like, you know, old Mary Poppins and Magic 1094 01:02:10.510 --> 01:02:14.949 Pudding and stuff like that. Old Australiana. That fan is 1095 01:02:14.989 --> 01:02:15.829 doing nothing. 1096 01:02:16.329 --> 01:02:18.969 I mean, I grew up around a lot of these 1097 01:02:19.010 --> 01:02:21.809 sort of homes. Like Tumut has a lot of those homes. 1098 01:02:22.190 --> 01:02:25.170 You go into... To rural areas, you will see that 1099 01:02:25.210 --> 01:02:29.630 style of home a lot. The older Australia you get to, 1100 01:02:29.690 --> 01:02:32.469 the more it looks like that. I mean, even just 1101 01:02:32.510 --> 01:02:34.880 down the road here. You know, Queanbeyan is one of 1102 01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:39.960 Australia's oldest cities, and you do get a lot of 1103 01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:45.079 those classic-looking Australian houses, and they don't build many of 1104 01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:46.139 them anymore. No. 1105 01:02:46.380 --> 01:02:49.840 It's all McMansion cut and paste, which is horrible. 1106 01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:54.969 Yeah, McMansion cut and paste, yeah. It's pretty much Australian 1107 01:02:55.010 --> 01:03:03.139 suburban design now, unfortunately. I feel bad for this actor 1108 01:03:03.780 --> 01:03:05.179 because I've got nothing to do. 1109 01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:06.719 He's just putting clothes on. 1110 01:03:07.099 --> 01:03:09.480 Yeah, it's like, oh, what's my character? It's like, I 1111 01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:13.570 don't know. Running. What's he do? Running. I don't know. 1112 01:03:15.389 --> 01:03:16.809 Ah, the good old Jesus portrait. 1113 01:03:19.309 --> 01:03:29.269 Well, I don't think this is... Yeah. This isn't

Mick 1114 01:03:29.329 --> 01:03:32.969 Taylor's home at all. No. I think they're just a 1115 01:03:33.070 --> 01:03:35.849 nice old couple who live out in the bush. 1116 01:03:35.889 --> 01:03:37.090 Yeah. 1117 01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:40.139 Which you'll encounter every now and again. Just an old 1118 01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:50.360 bushy couple. But I think... I almost get the impression 1119 01:03:50.530 --> 01:03:55.070 that the idea initially with this couple... was perhaps to 1120 01:03:55.530 --> 01:03:57.829 be like, oh, this is his mum and dad, who 1121 01:03:57.869 --> 01:04:00.829 he lives with out in the bush, and they're cannibals. 1122 01:04:01.409 --> 01:04:04.929 I think the first time I watched this, I thought 1123 01:04:04.949 --> 01:04:09.489 we were absolutely going down Texas Chainsaw Massacre territory. You know, 1124 01:04:09.510 --> 01:04:12.760 I thought that was going to be the whole point 1125 01:04:12.820 --> 01:04:13.050 of it. 1126 01:04:13.909 --> 01:04:15.699 And that was just a fair of old Australians. 1127 01:04:17.380 --> 01:04:19.679 I'm pretty sure there's nothing sinister about them. I think 1128 01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:25.360 it's just a big red herring. But again, it's been 1129 01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:29.559 such a long time. So my grandmother used to make 1130 01:04:29.619 --> 01:04:31.590 that kind of stew and I loved it. 1131 01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:33.440 It's just veggies and water. 1132 01:04:33.579 --> 01:04:36.780 It's like a celery savory stew. You can put like 1133 01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:41.340 mince in it as well. It's not quite a curry 1134 01:04:41.380 --> 01:04:45.320 and it's not quite a soup. Somewhere sort of in 1135 01:04:45.340 --> 01:04:52.130 the middle. I think it's like old school, like, oh, 1136 01:04:52.250 --> 01:04:57.869 what's the term for it? You know, those sort of 1137 01:04:57.909 --> 01:05:00.690 menu things that... What menu things? Those sort of recipes 1138 01:05:00.710 --> 01:05:04.449 that came out during the Depression. Like the Depression-era food, 1139 01:05:04.510 --> 01:05:05.110 where it was just. 1140 01:05:05.130 --> 01:05:07.760 Yeah, the ones that always ended up in the Australian 1141 01:05:07.800 --> 01:05:11.579 Women's Weekly recipe books and Reader's Digest recipe books. 1142 01:05:12.019 --> 01:05:14.559 Yeah, how to make bread with nothing but sawdust and 1143 01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:15.480 half a stick of butter. 1144 01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:16.280 And a wish. 1145 01:05:16.820 --> 01:05:20.429 And a wish. Wish and a prayer. I don't think 1146 01:05:20.449 --> 01:05:23.969 I've seen this guy... In anything either. Like, I don't 1147 01:05:24.130 --> 01:05:27.849 think I recognize any of the actors. No, I think. 1148 01:05:27.869 --> 01:05:28.829 In this one. 1149 01:05:29.210 --> 01:05:31.030 I think for this one they went for all unknowns. 1150 01:05:31.369 --> 01:05:36.269 So this actor, Ryan Call. Yes. And I'm just having 1151 01:05:36.349 --> 01:05:44.000 a look at his filmography. He still acts. He was 1152 01:05:44.059 --> 01:05:48.039 in two episodes of a TV series in 2026 called 1153 01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:53.800 High Country, an Australian police drama. and has done quite 1154 01:05:54.019 --> 01:05:57.880 a few. He was in the movie Sting, which is 1155 01:05:57.940 --> 01:06:00.969 about an alien spider that was filmed up in Sydney. 1156 01:06:01.489 --> 01:06:05.130 Haven't watched it. Haven't heard great things about it. Was 1157 01:06:05.190 --> 01:06:06.210 in House of the Dragon. 1158 01:06:06.429 --> 01:06:08.610 Yeah. 1159 01:06:08.630 --> 01:06:11.250 He was Sir Harwin Breakbone Strong. 1160 01:06:11.269 --> 01:06:15.070 Here we go. Mick Taylor's back, or at least. 1161 01:06:19.420 --> 01:06:23.690 Yeah, so to be fair, Quite a lot. 1162 01:06:24.050 --> 01:06:24.250 Yeah. 1163 01:06:24.789 --> 01:06:27.949 Of film. Like, he does quite a lot of stuff. Yeah. 1164 01:06:29.250 --> 01:06:29.650 There you go. 1165 01:06:29.670 --> 01:06:31.590 The old man's out there to confront Mick. 1166 01:06:32.429 --> 01:06:35.360 Six episodes of the TV series Clever Man from 2016. 1167 01:06:35.349 --> 01:06:39.409 That was a.... 1168 01:06:43.670 --> 01:06:45.570 Obviously, he's well-known around the area. 1169 01:06:49.969 --> 01:06:58.260 You'll Yeah, there's a dynamic here that I find is 1170 01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:06.199 sort of interesting and underexplored. Yeah. Say, okay, I'm going 1171 01:07:06.219 --> 01:07:08.980 to fix Wolf Creek 2. I'm going to fix it. 1172 01:07:09.260 --> 01:07:10.860 All right, I've got it. Like, how do you do 1173 01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:15.500 Wolf Creek 2? So, basically take the same approach. 1174 01:07:15.800 --> 01:07:16.000 Yeah. 1175 01:07:16.500 --> 01:07:18.119 Speed run the backpacker stuff. 1176 01:07:18.179 --> 01:07:18.360 Yeah. 1177 01:07:18.840 --> 01:07:24.159 Have the backpackers... Get to a little homestead like this. 1178 01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:30.929 And then the homeowners have to defend the backpackers against Taylor. Yeah. 1179 01:07:31.210 --> 01:07:35.010 As he terrorizes them throughout a night. That's how you 1180 01:07:35.030 --> 01:07:35.340 do it. 1181 01:07:35.409 --> 01:07:35.880 There you go. 1182 01:07:36.190 --> 01:07:39.510 And you build up the psychological terror of him, you know, 1183 01:07:40.550 --> 01:07:43.949 like he does things to try, like basically turn him 1184 01:07:43.989 --> 01:07:50.969 into the neighbor from hell sort of bit. Yeah. You could, um, 1185 01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:54.519 You could speed run this, but yeah, this is just 1186 01:07:54.559 --> 01:08:01.380 to kill two old people because, you know, you had 1187 01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:04.329 to because you needed more victims. 1188 01:08:05.489 --> 01:08:08.630 Well, it's just kind of undoing what Mick Taylor is 1189 01:08:08.710 --> 01:08:11.909 if he's killing the old Australian couple for no reason. 1190 01:08:14.150 --> 01:08:16.770 And I

think that's where this movie sort of gets 1191 01:08:16.850 --> 01:08:21.939 a bit confused about what Taylor is. What Taylor is. 1192 01:08:21.970 --> 01:08:26.149 And I think that's where, like I said, they ramp 1193 01:08:26.170 --> 01:08:29.210 him up to just, this is Jason Voorhees. This is 1194 01:08:29.270 --> 01:08:32.369 Freddy Krueger. Yeah. You know, victim is a victim is 1195 01:08:32.390 --> 01:08:35.770 a victim. Doesn't really matter. And that's why I think 1196 01:08:35.810 --> 01:08:40.850 you lose a lot of it because I think, you know, 1197 01:08:41.649 --> 01:08:47.829 the wrong lesson is taken from what made the first 1198 01:08:47.949 --> 01:08:52.289 one popular. Yeah. Yeah. That little bit of the swing 1199 01:08:52.310 --> 01:08:55.340 around there, that's a hint again back to his days 1200 01:08:55.420 --> 01:08:58.729 in the army, I would assume based on age. He 1201 01:08:58.750 --> 01:09:03.789 would have been a vietnam vet a vietnam conscript because 1202 01:09:04.250 --> 01:09:06.930 australians were conscripted into the vietnam war we didn't go 1203 01:09:06.970 --> 01:09:09.430 there i think for the most part we didn't go 1204 01:09:09.470 --> 01:09:10.430 there willingly. 1205 01:09:10.050 --> 01:09:13.880 Hmm like there were people like my family who were 1206 01:09:13.899 --> 01:09:16.100 already in the navy when the war was announced so 1207 01:09:16.140 --> 01:09:16.579 they so. 1208 01:09:16.479 --> 01:09:21.630 They were already working military regardless yeah um But you 1209 01:09:21.649 --> 01:09:23.590 get the impression that if he was in the army, 1210 01:09:23.670 --> 01:09:25.560 he would have enjoyed what he did. 1211 01:09:25.899 --> 01:09:28.579 Yeah, he would have been the one who you really 1212 01:09:28.619 --> 01:09:32.020 shouldn't be hanging around because either he'll kill you or 1213 01:09:32.060 --> 01:09:32.920 he'll get you killed. 1214 01:09:33.340 --> 01:09:37.180 So, yeah, for me, there's the little bit of gold 1215 01:09:37.500 --> 01:09:39.560 in this movie. That's a beautiful shot. 1216 01:09:39.939 --> 01:09:41.420 It's like the man from Snowy River. 1217 01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:42.960 There you go. Absolutely gorgeous shot. 1218 01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:44.199 More and more jingoistic shit. 1219 01:09:45.729 --> 01:09:48.659 It's the Mick Taylor in the silhouette with the bright 1220 01:09:48.680 --> 01:09:51.579 sun behind him. Sunset. See, and now he's on a horse. Like, 1221 01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:54.220 see what I mean? Like, for me, it felt like 1222 01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:56.560 he was just changing vehicles all the time. It's like, 1223 01:09:56.600 --> 01:09:58.300 this is Batman with all of his tools. 1224 01:09:58.460 --> 01:10:02.319 Also, we're at insta-night. Like, Mick Taylor's been chasing him 1225 01:10:02.340 --> 01:10:05.020 for like three hours now. It's now like 10 p.m. 1226 01:10:05.340 --> 01:10:06.550 and it's instantly nighttime. 1227 01:10:07.100 --> 01:10:09.729 Yeah. See, I would say that you could have done 1228 01:10:09.770 --> 01:10:13.949 the whole movie in this homestead, in this setting, big 1229 01:10:14.029 --> 01:10:21.029 storm raging behind. And, you know, perhaps if I was 1230 01:10:21.090 --> 01:10:26.210 to do it today and, yeah, if Greg McLean listens 1231 01:10:26.229 --> 01:10:27.850 to this and likes my idea, give me a shout. 1232 01:10:29.130 --> 01:10:36.090 But if I'm making Wolf Creek 3, I have the tourists, 1233 01:10:36.310 --> 01:10:39.500 because I think you stick with the tourists or the backpackers. 1234 01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:43.340 You have to. Or actually fruit pickers. Yeah. You do 1235 01:10:43.380 --> 01:10:46.970 fruit pickers the third time around. And what you have 1236 01:10:47.649 --> 01:10:50.270 is them going, like, you know, they get chased, they 1237 01:10:50.289 --> 01:10:53.640 get attacked, maybe you have one of them killed. And 1238 01:10:53.649 --> 01:10:56.220 they get to one of these outback ranches, but this 1239 01:10:56.300 --> 01:11:00.399 time it's, like, doomsday preppers. Mm-hmm. So, they're sort of ready. 1240 01:11:00.420 --> 01:11:01.000 Yeah. 1241 01:11:01.300 --> 01:11:04.500 Somewhat for that. But, you know, the fallacy is you 1242 01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:06.420 can never really prepare for the worst day. 1243 01:11:06.619 --> 01:11:06.840 Yeah. 1244 01:11:07.300 --> 01:11:12.800 And so... Maybe you have an overconfident homeowner who's like, no, 1245 01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:16.229 I can protect you. I've been preparing for something like this. 1246 01:11:17.250 --> 01:11:20.590 They get killed and then they have to, it's resources 1247 01:11:20.630 --> 01:11:25.109 versus resources. I think that's how you do a sequel 1248 01:11:25.149 --> 01:11:26.949 to Wolf Creek. I think that's how you would do 1249 01:11:26.989 --> 01:11:30.529 a sequel today. I don't think this is good. I 1250 01:11:32.189 --> 01:11:35.149 think it's fun. I think it's fun. 1251 01:11:35.170 --> 01:11:37.050 There's a lot of ridiculous in it. 1252 01:11:38.010 --> 01:11:43.449 I think you can, like, if I'm doing a Halloween party, 1253 01:11:43.489 --> 01:11:45.250 which we actually are this year, which will be fun. 1254 01:11:46.170 --> 01:11:48.979 If I'm doing a Halloween party and it's just, like, 1255 01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:50.920 invite a bunch of people over, we're going to watch 1256 01:11:50.960 --> 01:11:54.140 scary movies. I'm putting on Wolf Creek 2. I'm not 1257 01:11:54.180 --> 01:11:56.500 putting on Wolf Creek 1. Yeah. You know, because Wolf 1258 01:11:56.539 --> 01:11:58.880 Creek 1 is going to make everyone sad, whereas I 1259 01:11:58.939 --> 01:12:06.210 think Wolf Creek 2, if you are... If you're amused 1260 01:12:06.289 --> 01:12:10.689 by over-the-top horror, and I think there is something to 1261 01:12:10.729 --> 01:12:12.529 be said for having a bit of a sense of 1262 01:12:12.590 --> 01:12:16.060 humor when things get so ridiculous.

Yeah. Like, right now, 1263 01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:17.920 he's just bull-whipping this poor guy. 1264 01:12:17.960 --> 01:12:18.220 Yeah. 1265 01:12:20.699 --> 01:12:26.609 Yeah. Yeah, so this is where he gets angry about 1266 01:12:26.630 --> 01:12:32.569 the guy being a pomp. And I don't think people 1267 01:12:32.670 --> 01:12:34.350 use that terminology anymore, do they? 1268 01:12:34.369 --> 01:12:35.090 Yeah, they do. 1269 01:12:35.289 --> 01:12:35.590 Do they? 1270 01:12:35.689 --> 01:12:35.909 Yeah. 1271 01:12:39.409 --> 01:12:40.390 Yeah, we're one of the places. 1272 01:12:40.409 --> 01:12:41.909 Poms and Yanks, Kiwis. 1273 01:12:42.109 --> 01:12:46.340 Yanks, I know we still do. There was one of 1274 01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:51.460 the workplaces that I've worked at. They ended up, we 1275 01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:53.960 called it the British invasion because we ended up with 1276 01:12:55.159 --> 01:13:00.310 five or six managers who are all from the U.K., 1277 01:13:02.840 --> 01:13:05.000 I think I said pom one day and everyone gave 1278 01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:08.140 me a weird look and said, what's a pom? You. 1279 01:13:10.859 --> 01:13:14.180 What's a pommy? Actually, I've worked for a couple of 1280 01:13:14.220 --> 01:13:15.829 British managers now that I think about it. 1281 01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:21.899 The green doll zip ties. 1282 01:13:25.560 --> 01:13:27.810 Which are not as effective as people think they are. 1283 01:13:27.890 --> 01:13:28.109 No. 1284 01:13:29.189 --> 01:13:32.739 I believe there's... People who actually teach how to get 1285 01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:37.329 out of zip ties. And it's not as difficult as 1286 01:13:37.369 --> 01:13:38.550 you would believe it is. 1287 01:13:38.829 --> 01:13:40.630 You wrench it as tight as you can and then 1288 01:13:40.670 --> 01:13:44.050 you reef. And it either breaks or it undoes. 1289 01:13:48.180 --> 01:13:50.920 I can't decide. Is Mick Taylor Batman in this or 1290 01:13:51.020 --> 01:13:53.000 is he Bugs Bunny or is he a mix of both? 1291 01:13:53.380 --> 01:13:55.340 He's not Batman. I can tell you he's not Batman. 1292 01:13:55.359 --> 01:13:59.590 Because we're in the Mick Taylor cave right now. We're 1293 01:13:59.609 --> 01:14:02.010 in the Mick cave. We're in the Mick cave and 1294 01:14:02.029 --> 01:14:03.550 he's used a bunch of different vehicles. 1295 01:14:04.430 --> 01:14:06.310 Yeah, but he stole the vehicle, so it's. 1296 01:14:06.250 --> 01:14:10.170 More like Joker. 1297 01:14:11.409 --> 01:14:11.590 Yeah. 1298 01:14:13.029 --> 01:14:19.279 I don't understand. I guess David Stratton and Pomerantz during 1299 01:14:19.300 --> 01:14:22.619 the movie show run were probably so sick of these movies. 1300 01:14:22.659 --> 01:14:22.859 Yeah. 1301 01:14:24.090 --> 01:14:26.449 You know, they would have had to have reviewed Saw. 1302 01:14:26.930 --> 01:14:31.500 They would have had to review Hostel. Wolf, Craig, Rogue. 1303 01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:34.979 And they, well, Wolf, Craig and Rogue, I don't think 1304 01:14:35.020 --> 01:14:37.859 fall into the genre of torture porn, but there was 1305 01:14:37.899 --> 01:14:42.600 a lot of really in the early 2000s, like within 1306 01:14:42.640 --> 01:14:46.170 that first decade. And we talked about this when we 1307 01:14:46.229 --> 01:14:51.409 did the film censorship series. Like we talked about the 1308 01:14:51.449 --> 01:14:54.270 Serbian film as well, which is a pretty disgusting movie. 1309 01:14:55.930 --> 01:14:58.609 It was that era of like, how can we gross 1310 01:14:58.710 --> 01:14:59.939 out our audience? Yeah. 1311 01:15:00.310 --> 01:15:02.539 How extreme can we get before people stop coming to. 1312 01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:07.180 See the movie? Yeah. And I think that they were probably, 1313 01:15:07.300 --> 01:15:10.720 they just had enough of having to review those films. 1314 01:15:11.060 --> 01:15:14.039 Because I think Wolf Craig 1 has artistic merit. There 1315 01:15:14.119 --> 01:15:18.000 is nothing... There's no... The only. 1316 01:15:19.029 --> 01:15:21.149 artistic merit that is in this film. 1317 01:15:21.390 --> 01:15:22.729 It's the cinematographer. 1318 01:15:23.350 --> 01:15:27.060 It's the symbolism. It's the use of music. It's that 1319 01:15:27.100 --> 01:15:28.760 kind of thing. It's not the story. 1320 01:15:29.380 --> 01:15:29.640 Yeah. 1321 01:15:30.300 --> 01:15:32.180 It's everything but the story. 1322 01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:42.680 Because, like, Nick Taylor's motivation throughout most of this is 1323 01:15:42.899 --> 01:15:48.340 just about... I don't know. It... I guess they're trying 1324 01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:50.640 to suggest the motivation of Mick Taylor is he doesn't 1325 01:15:50.659 --> 01:15:53.539 like tourists coming to Australia. He doesn't feel that the 1326 01:15:53.579 --> 01:16:01.890 tourists are respecting anything. And he has some sort of, like, 1327 01:16:01.970 --> 01:16:06.170 I guess he assumes some sort of ownership over the country. Yeah. 1328 01:16:06.489 --> 01:16:10.430 You know, whereas like Mick Taylor represents everything that's wrong 1329 01:16:11.329 --> 01:16:13.770 with Australian culture. 1330 01:16:13.789 --> 01:16:14.770 Mm-hmm. 1331 01:16:14.890 --> 01:16:21.189 He's jingoistic. He's an asshole. He treats everyone appallingly. And 1332 01:16:21.270 --> 01:16:24.390 it's like, I think one of the important things about 1333 01:16:24.449 --> 01:16:30.069 Mick Taylor having Australian victims and foreign tourist victims is 1334 01:16:30.250 --> 01:16:34.270 to show you just how this sort of personality type 1335 01:16:36.090 --> 01:16:40.510 will hurt everyone. Like he killed that couple, yeah? And 1336 01:16:40.550 --> 01:16:45.329 now he's carrying on. About being like, this is my country. 1337 01:16:45.350 --> 01:16:49.960 I own Australia. And it's like, yeah. And he has 1338 01:16:50.020 --> 01:16:52.039 no love for other Australians. If they get in his 1339

01:16:52.100 --> 01:16:53.079 way and fuck around. 1340 01:16:53.199 --> 01:16:53.420 Yeah. 1341 01:16:53.779 --> 01:16:56.180 You know, he'll still hurt them as well. And I 1342 01:16:56.220 --> 01:16:59.279 think that's why you do always have to be a 1343 01:17:00.229 --> 01:17:05.510 little bit wary of people who have become. 1344 01:17:05.850 --> 01:17:07.430 And now he's quoting Rolf Harris. Yeah. 1345 01:17:08.850 --> 01:17:12.840 Yeah. Controversy noted because we covered it on a few episodes. 1346 01:17:13.779 --> 01:17:15.920 Well, he's a pom. That would be his exposure to 1347 01:17:15.979 --> 01:17:18.079 Australiana would be Rolf Harris. 1348 01:17:18.140 --> 01:17:29.670 Yeah. Yeah. And I suppose like the idea here is that, 1349 01:17:30.329 --> 01:17:32.140 you know, our main character who I don't even know 1350 01:17:32.149 --> 01:17:36.199 his name. I don't think it's even said Ryan, you know, 1351 01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:40.359 The idea is he's trying to reach him on his 1352 01:17:40.439 --> 01:17:45.579 level and trying to engage with him in his culture 1353 01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:52.489 and singing and having a bit of a rouse, rubble rouse, 1354 01:17:52.529 --> 01:17:58.409 let's say. And I think this is the only way 1355 01:17:58.449 --> 01:18:01.289 that you do engage with someone like Mick Taylor is, 1356 01:18:02.010 --> 01:18:06.819 you know, you have to, you know, bring up these– 1357 01:18:07.369 --> 01:18:09.800 What he knew, what he was nostalgic about, what he 1358 01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:19.529 grew up with. Yeah. You know. Yeah. There's something that 1359 01:18:19.729 --> 01:18:22.949 the writer wants to say, but I just think it's 1360 01:18:23.069 --> 01:18:26.569 so buried in shit. It's so buried in the Looney 1361 01:18:26.609 --> 01:18:35.199 Tunes nature of spectacle that you don't actually get... You 1362 01:18:35.220 --> 01:18:40.909 don't really get anything through. There really is no messaging here. 1363 01:18:41.710 --> 01:18:46.119 If there is an attempt at it, I suppose. because 1364 01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:48.640 throughout like the the first victim in this movie is 1365 01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:51.260 is the german backpacker and he gives him the australia 1366 01:18:51.300 --> 01:18:56.239 test yeah um and he's about to i think he's 1367 01:18:56.300 --> 01:18:58.890 about to pull that again and and see there there 1368 01:18:58.909 --> 01:19:03.189 you go there's another sequel right right so let's say 1369 01:19:03.430 --> 01:19:06.710 he grabs tourists yeah And he's got all of them 1370 01:19:06.750 --> 01:19:08.430 in a row and he's like, oh, you know, we're 1371 01:19:08.449 --> 01:19:12.020 going to play a little trivia game, aren't we? You know, 1372 01:19:12.039 --> 01:19:14.260 we're going to play a little trivia game. And it's 1373 01:19:14.300 --> 01:19:19.199 like he starts testing their knowledge and every person that 1374 01:19:19.239 --> 01:19:21.619 doesn't get it right, like he kills them in front 1375 01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:23.960 of the others. Yeah. You know, and you slowly have 1376 01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:25.920 this round table of people being killed. 1377 01:19:26.380 --> 01:19:28.199 It's like Russian roulette, but with trivia. 1378 01:19:28.229 --> 01:19:30.289 Yeah. You know, and then you have one of the 1379 01:19:30.329 --> 01:19:32.489 other characters call him out and be like, well, you're. 1380 01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:37.340 you aren't much of an Australian either, are you? Like 1381 01:19:37.359 --> 01:19:41.829 you're a bit of a stereotype and attacking his identity. 1382 01:19:41.850 --> 01:19:43.829 I mean, all you'd have to do is you'd have 1383 01:19:43.850 --> 01:19:46.449 to start asking questions about Sydney or Melbourne and he'd 1384 01:19:46.489 --> 01:19:49.510 start folding because he doesn't know that Australia. He knows 1385 01:19:49.670 --> 01:19:50.489 outback Australia. 1386 01:19:50.789 --> 01:19:54.289 You know, you'd have maybe a sociology student and be like, well, 1387 01:19:54.449 --> 01:19:57.109 you know, what about the indigenous population? Like, you know, 1388 01:19:57.529 --> 01:19:59.979 and that's how they roll him up. He makes a mistake, 1389 01:20:00.020 --> 01:20:03.960 they escape. There are ways to do what they're trying 1390 01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:05.920 to do, but I think they've just got a bit 1391 01:20:05.979 --> 01:20:10.880 high on their own supply and thought, well, I guess 1392 01:20:12.680 --> 01:20:18.500 as a filmmaker around this era, are you nervous that 1393 01:20:20.640 --> 01:20:24.000 if you don't up the antics, if you don't take 1394 01:20:24.060 --> 01:20:26.340 all the things that people always talk about about the 1395 01:20:26.380 --> 01:20:28.720 movie and you don't put it into the next one 1396 01:20:28.779 --> 01:20:32.699 and you don't lift it up and make it more extreme, 1397 01:20:32.720 --> 01:20:36.960 are people going to go see your movie? And I 1398 01:20:36.979 --> 01:20:39.890 think in this era, they wouldn't. Because I know this 1399 01:20:39.970 --> 01:20:43.010 era very, very well. Because I was an adult around 1400 01:20:43.050 --> 01:20:50.060 this time. I was a young adult. And going home 1401 01:20:50.069 --> 01:20:54.520 and talking to friends who had been out to the 1402 01:20:54.579 --> 01:20:58.430 movies and stuff, they would talk more about this movie 1403 01:20:58.470 --> 01:21:00.869 than the first one because they'd be like, it's so 1404 01:21:00.930 --> 01:21:04.390 much gorier, it's so much crazier, it's so much more 1405 01:21:04.529 --> 01:21:07.949 over the top. And that's how nearly every sequel was 1406 01:21:08.050 --> 01:21:11.189 operating at that time, except Underworld and Resident Evil. 1407 01:21:11.689 --> 01:21:14.300 Sorry, if you want to reach an Australian on their level, 1408 01:21:14.399 --> 01:21:17.199 do not sing Advance Australia Fair. It is the worst 1409 01:21:17.399 --> 01:21:20.399 idea ever. If

he hadn't gone with Waltzing Matilda, he 1410 01:21:20.439 --> 01:21:22.420 probably would have been fine, but he went with Advance 1411 01:21:22.479 --> 01:21:24.279 Australia Fair and now Mick Taylor's going to kill him. 1412 01:21:24.300 --> 01:21:31.659 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Gert, but I say, who's Gert? Some lesbian. 1413 01:21:31.979 --> 01:21:33.239 Some lesbian named Gert. 1414 01:21:33.270 --> 01:21:35.829 The old Adam Hills joke, you know, cops come out, 1415 01:21:35.869 --> 01:21:38.270 they surround you, I say, come out, we have you surround, 1416 01:21:38.369 --> 01:21:38.810 we have. 1417 01:21:38.710 --> 01:21:48.729 You, Gert. What? Oh, dear. Yeah, so every... Did you 1418 01:21:48.789 --> 01:21:50.750 have to sing the Australian anthem in school? 1419 01:21:50.770 --> 01:21:52.430 Yeah, I know the first and the second, yeah. 1420 01:21:55.489 --> 01:21:58.069 That's Holly flexing her history knowledge again. 1421 01:21:58.090 --> 01:22:01.319 There's like five verses. I know verse one and two, 1422 01:22:01.779 --> 01:22:04.560 it's not that big a flex. Personally, I think the 1423 01:22:04.579 --> 01:22:06.779 Seekers I Am Australian should be our anthem, but I 1424 01:22:06.819 --> 01:22:08.520 didn't have a say because I wasn't born yet. 1425 01:22:10.600 --> 01:22:16.170 Yeah, the Australian anthem predominantly is sung in schools. In 1426 01:22:16.189 --> 01:22:20.529 football games. The last time I heard someone singing the 1427 01:22:20.590 --> 01:22:23.649 Australian anthem, yeah, sport matches, you're going to hear it 1428 01:22:23.670 --> 01:22:28.000 a lot, was when I went to the citizenship ceremony 1429 01:22:28.090 --> 01:22:32.250 for my good friend Ryan. And they, of course, sang 1430 01:22:32.270 --> 01:22:35.810 the Australian anthem as a bunch of people became Australians. 1431 01:22:36.350 --> 01:22:36.829 Oh, fuck. 1432 01:22:39.069 --> 01:22:42.750 Which I thought was quite funny, an American becoming an Australian. 1433 01:22:43.470 --> 01:22:49.329 And I cheered uproariously. I think I upset Penny's parents 1434 01:22:49.649 --> 01:22:52.720 because it was a bit loud. And I started clapping 1435 01:22:52.770 --> 01:22:56.189 and wooing. Yeah. I think I upset a lot of 1436 01:22:56.229 --> 01:23:00.369 people that day. I found it funny. And there's a 1437 01:23:00.390 --> 01:23:03.010 photo of me with Ryan when he's got his Australian 1438 01:23:03.029 --> 01:23:07.640 citizenship certificate. He thought it was funny. I think he 1439 01:23:07.680 --> 01:23:08.569 was amused by it. 1440 01:23:09.239 --> 01:23:11.640 Yeah, Mick Taylor's going to play trivia with him here, 1441 01:23:11.699 --> 01:23:13.720 and I kind of want to see whether or not 1442 01:23:13.760 --> 01:23:15.979 we can guess the answer. If we'd start losing fingers, 1443 01:23:16.020 --> 01:23:17.899 I have the feeling he'll lose, like, the second finger. 1444 01:23:20.550 --> 01:23:24.090 Yeah, see, this is where I think he does this 1445 01:23:24.149 --> 01:23:34.109 twice in the movie. Billabong is the answer to the 1446 01:23:34.149 --> 01:23:34.590 first one. 1447 01:23:34.829 --> 01:23:37.029 I used to work for a company that would resell 1448 01:23:37.250 --> 01:23:38.149 Billabong clothes. 1449 01:23:39.289 --> 01:23:41.579 If people aren't watching at home, you should actually read 1450 01:23:41.619 --> 01:23:44.819 out the question. So the question was, which Aboriginal term 1451 01:23:44.939 --> 01:23:48.920 is a line of clothing and a waterhole? Yeah. So 1452 01:23:48.939 --> 01:23:51.640 that was the first one. The answer to that is Billabong. 1453 01:23:51.659 --> 01:24:01.800 What year did the British settle in Australia? 1788. Yeah, 1454 01:24:01.979 --> 01:24:04.260 I was about to say we covered that. Have we 1455 01:24:04.300 --> 01:24:05.239 done First Fleet? 1456 01:24:05.300 --> 01:24:07.699 We have not done First Fleet, but we've done elements. 1457 01:24:07.720 --> 01:24:10.270 Holy shit. We've done elements of the First Fleet, such 1458 01:24:10.310 --> 01:24:12.770 as Black Caesar, who was in the First Fleet, so 1459 01:24:12.789 --> 01:24:15.750 we've done elements of it. Oh. 1460 01:24:15.909 --> 01:24:20.850 Oh, no, he's going for. 1461 01:24:19.949 --> 01:24:21.750 The Captain Cook status as well. 1462 01:24:22.409 --> 01:24:24.350 Well, see, this is what I mean, is that they 1463 01:24:24.399 --> 01:24:26.500 had a theme that they wanted to explore, but they 1464 01:24:26.560 --> 01:24:27.859 didn't do it. 1465 01:24:27.920 --> 01:24:28.680 Follow it, yeah. 1466 01:24:28.779 --> 01:24:35.579 Right? Because, yeah. Cause he didn't know that. Cause you 1467 01:24:35.619 --> 01:24:38.119 can see he's confused by the answer. Like he didn't 1468 01:24:38.199 --> 01:24:44.500 know that he probably knew the basic shitty answer to, 1469 01:24:46.239 --> 01:24:52.359 you know, when did Australia get founded and say, this 1470 01:24:52.439 --> 01:24:55.199 is sort of like the problem with these sort of individuals. 1471 01:24:55.239 --> 01:24:57.409 And I met plenty of people who quote unquote claim 1472 01:24:57.430 --> 01:25:00.449 they're Australian and They know nothing of Australian history. They 1473 01:25:00.489 --> 01:25:02.479 just like to wrap themselves in the flag and run 1474 01:25:02.520 --> 01:25:05.760 around on Australia Day and hang out at the beach. 1475 01:25:05.960 --> 01:25:08.659 Our wonderful Weird Crap listeners know more about Australia than 1476 01:25:08.720 --> 01:25:09.500 most of those people. 1477 01:25:09.859 --> 01:25:12.600 If you've listened to every episode of Weird Crap in Australia, 1478 01:25:13.039 --> 01:25:20.810 you know more Australian history than most Australians. All right, 1479 01:25:20.850 --> 01:25:23.210 the next question, Holly, is when did the British start 1480 01:25:23.770 --> 01:25:29.180 sending convicts to Australia? So word.... 1481 01:25:30.159 --> 01:25:34.420 He's rutted off the first fleet, second

fleet, and third fleet. 1482 01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:36.560 See, I don't know the answers to any of this. 1483 01:25:37.810 --> 01:25:38.590 I knew the first one. 1484 01:25:40.649 --> 01:25:42.630 And McTaylor's like, what the fuck? 1485 01:25:46.449 --> 01:25:48.850 Well, see, I think this is... This is. 1486 01:25:48.829 --> 01:25:50.970 Where you go too far because now McTaylor's going to 1487 01:25:50.989 --> 01:25:51.750 kill you on principle. 1488 01:25:52.710 --> 01:25:57.659 Well, no, this is where the serial killer is upset. So, 1489 01:25:57.720 --> 01:26:01.520 most serial killers are narcissistic. They have narcissistic traits. We 1490 01:26:01.539 --> 01:26:08.550 do know that, right? This is what... He's now angry. Yeah. Right? 1491 01:26:08.859 --> 01:26:12.569 Why is he angry? Because someone's smarter than him. Yeah. So, 1492 01:26:12.770 --> 01:26:16.210 it's changed the question. Serial killers... All serial... See? And 1493 01:26:16.289 --> 01:26:20.090 now it's like, come on, you're dumb, aren't you? Right? See? 1494 01:26:21.949 --> 01:26:25.529 Why did the convicts first get sent to Australia? Because... 1495 01:26:26.199 --> 01:26:28.720 lost the American colonies and had to send their poor 1496 01:26:28.739 --> 01:26:29.399 people somewhere. 1497 01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:31.899 Yeah. The prisons were filling up basically. 1498 01:26:31.930 --> 01:26:34.909 Yeah. 1499 01:26:37.250 --> 01:26:41.130 So yeah, like he is pretty correct, but you know, 1500 01:26:41.189 --> 01:26:44.770 talking about the psychology of the serial killer. Now, most 1501 01:26:44.850 --> 01:26:47.909 of the serial killers are narcissists and most of them 1502 01:26:47.930 --> 01:26:51.739 are fucking stupid. Yeah. Right. But they're narcissistic. So they 1503 01:26:51.760 --> 01:26:54.859 think they're smarter than everyone else and they're incredibly predatory. 1504 01:26:55.760 --> 01:27:01.180 So they like to, quote unquote, have it over people. 1505 01:27:01.460 --> 01:27:03.199 He's going to break his finger just.... 1506 01:27:06.579 --> 01:27:08.899 And how's he doing it? In a vice. Oh, he's 1507 01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:15.600 putting his hand in the vice. Right. So why was 1508 01:27:15.619 --> 01:27:16.340 the answer wrong? 1509 01:27:17.880 --> 01:27:23.270 It's wrong because he wants to do it and... I 1510 01:27:25.250 --> 01:27:25.550 hate it. 1511 01:27:26.029 --> 01:27:28.989 What are you worried about? What are you worried about? 1512 01:27:29.050 --> 01:27:30.130 I don't like the feeling. 1513 01:27:30.449 --> 01:27:32.829 Oh, you don't like the feeling of having part of 1514 01:27:32.970 --> 01:27:33.989 a digit removed? 1515 01:27:34.890 --> 01:27:36.090 I can feel the phantom paint. 1516 01:27:36.569 --> 01:27:38.810 Oh, can you? I'm aware that you're. 1517 01:27:38.569 --> 01:27:41.340 Missing the top of your thumb. I am aware, but 1518 01:27:42.159 --> 01:27:45.300 I can feel the feeling. I don't need to feel 1519 01:27:45.359 -->

01:27:47.119 it to have empathy for the feeling, Matthew. 1520 01:27:47.140 --> 01:27:49.020 So you know how we've watched a lot of movies 1521 01:27:49.079 --> 01:27:52.739 and you always ask me, like, with the finger effects? Yeah. 1522 01:27:53.689 --> 01:27:56.439 What just happened there and how his finger looked afterwards, 1523 01:27:57.199 --> 01:28:01.220 that's pretty close to what I experienced. Yeah. 1524 01:28:03.779 --> 01:28:05.779 Yeah, you were right and that pissed me off, so 1525 01:28:05.800 --> 01:28:06.399 you lost a finger. 1526 01:28:06.420 --> 01:28:13.100 Yeah, you were correct. I'm annoyed because, you know, all 1527 01:28:13.119 --> 01:28:17.100 of this shit that's over the top of Mick Taylor, right, 1528 01:28:17.239 --> 01:28:24.439 it's all facade, right? He does not care about He 1529 01:28:24.500 --> 01:28:29.739 doesn't care about people being Australian. He doesn't care about 1530 01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:33.579 tourists knowing a lot about Australia and respecting the country, right? 1531 01:28:34.220 --> 01:28:36.989 He cares that he is smart and his prey is dumb. 1532 01:28:37.750 --> 01:28:40.420 And when his prey is smarter than him. he is 1533 01:28:40.539 --> 01:28:42.840 angry and wants to hurt. Because at the end of 1534 01:28:42.859 --> 01:28:45.760 the day, he just wants to hurt people. Serial killers 1535 01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:48.949 over the years have all played these silly games. 1536 01:28:49.130 --> 01:28:50.970 It's just to prove they're better. That's it. 1537 01:28:51.210 --> 01:28:54.170 It's to try and prove they're smarter than they are. 1538 01:28:54.470 --> 01:29:00.819 The Green River Killer was a dumbass. Right? Barely, barely 1539 01:29:00.920 --> 01:29:05.619 hit a reasonable IQ. Yeah. Right? Ted Bundy, like the 1540 01:29:05.699 --> 01:29:10.100 one that they always talk about how smart he was. Right? 1541 01:29:10.979 --> 01:29:14.569 If you listen to him defending himself in the court. 1542 01:29:14.590 --> 01:29:15.310 Ah, he's a fucking idiot. 1543 01:29:15.350 --> 01:29:18.670 He's an idiot. He's an absolute fucking moron. And the 1544 01:29:18.750 --> 01:29:22.109 only reason that people think he was so smart is 1545 01:29:22.170 --> 01:29:25.609 because he was good at escaping, which you... there is 1546 01:29:25.649 --> 01:29:28.520 a level of intelligence there, but the judge talked about 1547 01:29:28.560 --> 01:29:30.520 how great he was. I'm like, judge, did you actually 1548 01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:33.760 listen to how he defended himself? He basically jerked off 1549 01:29:33.880 --> 01:29:37.659 while the police officer recounted his crimes and Bundy had 1550 01:29:37.699 --> 01:29:39.920 him recount his crimes and then start licking his lips 1551 01:29:39.960 --> 01:29:42.319 while he was listening to it. I mean, that's the 1552 01:29:42.359 --> 01:29:46.909 sort of dumb fucking shit. That serial killers do, especially 1553 01:29:46.979 --> 01:29:50.260 when they defend themselves. And I've listened to so much 1554 01:29:50.340 --> 01:29:54.539 interrogation footage of serial killers. The only time that I 1555 01:29:54.640 --> 01:29:58.119 ever have a moment where I think about the attitude 1556 01:29:58.199 --> 01:30:01.090 of them is when you do have those remorseful ones. 1557 01:30:01.229 --> 01:30:04.350 And believe it or not, every now and again, you 1558 01:30:04.409 --> 01:30:08.710 do come across a genuine remorseful one who will still 1559 01:30:08.750 --> 01:30:13.520 do horrible things. And they're criminals, they're scum, they're disgusting humans. 1560 01:30:14.689 --> 01:30:24.949 But they do have a little bit of remorse. But yeah, 1561 01:30:25.289 --> 01:30:29.930 Mick Taylor is your typical example of a dumbass serial killer. 1562 01:30:35.859 --> 01:30:43.710 Waking hands. Sorry, I'm just reminded of Tumut. I worked 1563 01:30:43.750 --> 01:30:48.689 in a factory, so the Mick Taylor personality type is 1564 01:30:48.729 --> 01:30:57.159 not something that I'm not unfamiliar with. Beautiful looking film, though. 1565 01:30:57.239 --> 01:31:01.680 The lighting, the look of it, how they've set up 1566 01:31:01.760 --> 01:31:07.600 all the shots, the lights, beautiful... Beautiful looking movie. Very 1567 01:31:07.680 --> 01:31:15.390 clean movie. Considering its counterparts, things like Saw and that, 1568 01:31:15.439 --> 01:31:23.130 they were just... Again, I can attest to these effects. 1569 01:31:23.229 --> 01:31:25.489 That's about what my finger looked like. There's a little 1570 01:31:25.529 --> 01:31:30.710 bone shooting out too, wasn't there? Yeah. I'm having flashbacks. 1571 01:31:35.909 --> 01:31:38.329 And really good effects, too. Like, throughout the whole movie, 1572 01:31:38.350 --> 01:31:40.989 the whole time, I haven't felt that anything was done 1573 01:31:41.069 --> 01:31:42.930 cheap or on the dodgy. 1574 01:31:43.369 --> 01:31:43.630 I mean. 1575 01:31:43.989 --> 01:31:49.000 I'm shocked that it was... There's your waltzing Matilda, Holly. Yeah. 1576 01:31:49.539 --> 01:31:51.579 Oh, he was whistling at the start when he was 1577 01:31:51.619 --> 01:31:52.600 setting fire to the cops. 1578 01:31:55.859 --> 01:32:06.590 Fuck you, Mick. Yeah. Again, but this is all, you know, 1579 01:32:06.630 --> 01:32:10.850 it's part of the game now. Like he's, he's a mobile, 1580 01:32:11.229 --> 01:32:15.970 he's been able to, how would I put it? He's 1581 01:32:16.029 --> 01:32:18.270 been able to quote unquote, put him in his place. 1582 01:32:18.380 --> 01:32:18.609 Yeah. 1583 01:32:19.310 --> 01:32:21.779 And you know, that's very gratifying and satisfying for a 1584 01:32:22.199 --> 01:32:25.619 serial killer. They, they are able to lower their victims down. 1585 01:32:25.680 --> 01:32:29.079 So the one thing that I will always give the, 1586 01:32:29.680 --> 01:32:34.020 this series and this character is, is I think they 1587 01:32:34.060 --> 01:32:37.529 have absolutely

fucking nailed the serial killer. Yeah. And I 1588 01:32:37.609 --> 01:32:42.310 think John Jarrett absolutely nails the attitude, the behavior, the 1589 01:32:42.369 --> 01:32:50.569 mannerisms perfectly. I think there's an over-the-top nature to it. 1590 01:32:51.729 --> 01:32:55.939 But then Bunting was this guy through and through. 1591 01:32:55.960 --> 01:32:56.479 Mm-hmm. 1592 01:32:57.359 --> 01:33:04.170 Bunting was theatrical and carried on and... You know, Bunting 1593 01:33:05.189 --> 01:33:08.710 loved to play games with his victims. He thought it 1594 01:33:08.770 --> 01:33:11.949 was a good sport. And he always wanted to feel 1595 01:33:12.010 --> 01:33:18.289 superior over everyone. Bloody media is stalking poor Velasquez, too. 1596 01:33:20.289 --> 01:33:22.069 I have a lot of sympathy for Velasquez. 1597 01:33:22.329 --> 01:33:23.770 He was a conditioned kid. 1598 01:33:23.949 --> 01:33:27.460 He was a groomed kid. He was groomed into... a 1599 01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:29.859 situation that he couldn't get out of, nor was he 1600 01:33:29.920 --> 01:33:30.890 equipped to get out of it. 1601 01:33:30.899 --> 01:33:32.699 And at least he turned on him. 1602 01:33:32.779 --> 01:33:36.289 So, yeah. So I think people should just leave him alone. 1603 01:33:37.149 --> 01:33:43.970 Like I know, yes, they implied sexual violence towards, uh, 1604 01:33:45.689 --> 01:33:54.270 you know, male characters as well was interesting. Sorry, what 1605 01:33:54.310 --> 01:33:55.229 got him so upset? 1606 01:33:56.430 --> 01:33:59.770 Um, Mick was talking about putting him in a dress, 1607 01:33:59.829 --> 01:34:03.369 and he said he's not a fucking faggot, and thus 1608 01:34:03.449 --> 01:34:06.310 this reaction. Apologies for using the word, but that was 1609 01:34:06.350 --> 01:34:06.869 the word used. 1610 01:34:07.010 --> 01:34:08.550 Yes, that's the word used in the film. 1611 01:34:08.710 --> 01:34:10.310 And he's cracked him in the face with a hammer. 1612 01:34:10.390 --> 01:34:10.970 Good on ya. 1613 01:34:12.050 --> 01:34:15.460 So, again, though, but this is a very- Now, take. 1614 01:34:15.189 --> 01:34:18.460 The hammer to his head multiple times repeatedly. Do not 1615 01:34:18.520 --> 01:34:25.329 fucking wait. Go for it. Kill him. You waited too long. 1616 01:34:25.350 --> 01:34:27.489 You fucking hesitated and you shouldn't have done it. 1617 01:34:30.850 --> 01:34:36.680 Now, we also have an interesting example here of serial 1618 01:34:36.720 --> 01:34:39.880 killers who, you know, again, they're interested in back gratification, 1619 01:34:39.920 --> 01:34:42.640 but when you look at Mick Taylor and the way 1620 01:34:42.699 --> 01:34:45.619 he is built, you know, he's meant to be the 1621 01:34:45.680 --> 01:34:51.140 man man. So when he suggests to Taylor, like, oh, 1622 01:34:51.199 --> 01:34:54.939 I didn't know, you know, like he uses a homophobic 1623 01:34:54.979 --> 01:34:59.569 slur at him, he probably would have raped

him. Yeah. 1624 01:35:00.210 --> 01:35:05.010 But because he's attacked his masculinity, right? He's reacted. He's 1625 01:35:05.090 --> 01:35:09.020 reacted and he's reacted impulsively and he's reacted angrily. Now 1626 01:35:09.060 --> 01:35:11.460 we have an example of this being John Wayne Gacy. 1627 01:35:11.960 --> 01:35:15.119 John Wayne Gacy, according to him, was not gay. 1628 01:35:15.140 --> 01:35:17.579 His victims were just all men. 1629 01:35:18.039 --> 01:35:21.039 All of his victims were men? He referred to himself 1630 01:35:21.079 --> 01:35:23.180 to the day he died as a bisexual. He was 1631 01:35:23.260 --> 01:35:29.750 not a gay serial killer because his father hated homosexuals. 1632 01:35:29.869 --> 01:35:34.829 And so Gacy, to maintain his, I think, part of 1633 01:35:34.869 --> 01:35:37.840 his delusion, which was this attempt at a sort of 1634 01:35:37.899 --> 01:35:42.699 hyper-masculinity to make his, you know, well, look, a lot 1635 01:35:42.739 --> 01:35:45.449 of them are just one daddy to love them. And 1636 01:35:45.550 --> 01:35:47.970 I think Gacy did as well, and so he would 1637 01:35:48.090 --> 01:35:54.189 not refer to himself as homosexual either. So there's a 1638 01:35:54.220 --> 01:36:03.239 lot of interesting stuff here in the last, what, 20 minutes. Mm-hmm. Now, 1639 01:36:03.619 --> 01:36:05.939 this is an interesting way to save a bit of 1640 01:36:05.979 --> 01:36:08.899 money as well. I don't think they're mannequins. 1641 01:36:09.430 --> 01:36:10.350 No, I think they're just made up. 1642 01:36:10.369 --> 01:36:13.609 I think they're just made up people, yeah, which... I 1643 01:36:13.649 --> 01:36:16.289 would guess it's probably cast and crew, family of cast 1644 01:36:16.329 --> 01:36:16.750 and crew. 1645 01:36:17.670 --> 01:36:19.399 Anyone who I can walk past at the day. 1646 01:36:20.109 --> 01:36:25.100 Why bother making, that's a great little jump scare. I 1647 01:36:25.199 --> 01:36:30.100 actually really like that. Yeah. Sorry if that came across 1648 01:36:30.159 --> 01:36:32.560 on the audio recording. That was probably scary if you're 1649 01:36:32.600 --> 01:36:35.539 not actually watching the film with us and you heard 1650 01:36:35.579 --> 01:36:42.489 the terrifying scream there. I actually think that's quite a 1651 01:36:42.529 --> 01:36:49.840 nice little jump scare there. Yeah. Most serial killers don't 1652 01:36:49.920 --> 01:36:56.720 hold on to the bodies outside of the necrophiles or 1653 01:36:56.760 --> 01:37:01.220 the product killers where they're after the bodies. But even 1654 01:37:01.319 --> 01:37:06.439 like many product killers, they're not particularly interested in retaining 1655 01:37:07.319 --> 01:37:09.420 a lot of the body parts, but they're, of course... 1656 01:37:09.909 --> 01:37:12.460 Exceptions to this rule, the famous one, of course, being 1657 01:37:12.479 --> 01:37:17.800 Jeffrey Dahmer, who did like to hold on to peace 1658 01:37:18.000 --> 01:37:24.500 of his victims. So generally speaking, you like Mick Taylor 1659 01:37:24.539 --> 01:37:27.659 has access to the entire outback and has obviously built 1660 01:37:27.739 --> 01:37:32.220 bases and whatnot. And they want to sort of demonstrate 1661 01:37:32.260 --> 01:37:36.010 like how prolific they this guy is and and what 1662 01:37:36.029 --> 01:37:36.569 he gets. 1663 01:37:36.449 --> 01:37:41.909 Up to in universe keeping the bodies hanging around one 1664 01:37:41.989 --> 01:37:43.989 he can walk past and say you fucking deserve that 1665 01:37:44.090 --> 01:37:48.649 every day if you wanted to but it's also illustrating 1666 01:37:50.250 --> 01:37:52.689 he could bring a future victim down there and show 1667 01:37:52.729 --> 01:37:54.770 them exactly what's going to happen to them which would 1668 01:37:54.810 --> 01:37:57.239 incite the fear which is what he feeds on he 1669 01:37:57.319 --> 01:37:58.699 is a fear killer. 1670 01:37:59.880 --> 01:38:03.079 And and i also wonder as well like i said. 1671 01:38:05.699 --> 01:38:07.880 Yeah thank you for inciting con the fruiterer there you 1672 01:38:07.899 --> 01:38:11.319 do not deserve that. 1673 01:38:11.460 --> 01:38:13.659 Yeah you you're right like he gets to do the 1674 01:38:13.800 --> 01:38:16.399 the walk through the the dungeon like look at what 1675 01:38:16.460 --> 01:38:18.239 i do look at what's going to happen to you 1676 01:38:18.260 --> 01:38:22.789 um you know and there's this obviously like that victim 1677 01:38:22.829 --> 01:38:25.789 has been there for quite some time as well yeah 1678 01:38:26.670 --> 01:38:29.100 i just think this movie gets lost in the weeds 1679 01:38:29.220 --> 01:38:34.619 of wanting to do everything. See Batman, now he's got 1680 01:38:34.640 --> 01:38:35.239 the hunting dogs. 1681 01:38:36.050 --> 01:38:40.050 It's not Batman. I haven't seen a single device being used. 1682 01:38:40.090 --> 01:38:40.729 It is not Batman. 1683 01:38:40.770 --> 01:38:43.850 We're in a cave, Holly. We're literally in his cereal cave. 1684 01:38:43.869 --> 01:38:46.270 It's a sewer. It might as well be Killer Croc. 1685 01:38:46.510 --> 01:38:48.590 Why is there a sewer in the middle of nowhere? 1686 01:38:49.050 --> 01:38:51.010 I think he's built this. I don't think it's a sewer. 1687 01:38:51.069 --> 01:38:53.479 I think it's like an underground home. 1688 01:38:53.500 --> 01:38:56.500 Yeah, it'd be like Burke, but... Oh, Broken Hill, whatever. 1689 01:38:56.579 --> 01:38:59.199 Whichever one it is that's underneath. Cooper Petey, that's the 1690 01:38:59.239 --> 01:38:59.840 one that's underneath. 1691 01:39:04.489 --> 01:39:07.729 If you're a fan of Dune... And you want to 1692 01:39:07.810 --> 01:39:11.260 have a look at sort of what real life Dune 1693 01:39:11.300 --> 01:39:15.199 would look like. I would suggest having a look at 1694 01:39:15.239 --> 01:39:21.359 how communities function, of course, over in Saudi Arabia or 1695 01:39:21.500

--> 01:39:25.119 in deep desert. Yeah. Have a look as well on 1696 01:39:25.159 --> 01:39:28.060 YouTube at people and how they live in Coober Pedy. 1697 01:39:28.729 --> 01:39:30.390 Yeah. 1698 01:39:30.449 --> 01:39:35.350 Spike Trap, again, invocative of Vietnams because it's bamboo as well. 1699 01:39:36.279 --> 01:39:38.640 Which is very hard to find in the Outback, I'd 1700 01:39:38.680 --> 01:39:39.460 like to point out. 1701 01:39:40.180 --> 01:39:42.560 Well, again, there are hints at what they want to 1702 01:39:43.119 --> 01:39:45.380 do and say about the character. I just think that 1703 01:39:45.420 --> 01:39:49.010 they got a bit nervous about not doing all the 1704 01:39:49.119 --> 01:39:54.350 shit that people were waiting for and expecting. I think 1705 01:39:54.369 --> 01:39:56.869 that's why they've done a lot of the stuff they've done. 1706 01:39:57.770 --> 01:40:01.149 I actually thought, like with my vague memories of this film, 1707 01:40:01.189 --> 01:40:03.970 that it would actually look cheaper and nastier than this. 1708 01:40:04.409 --> 01:40:09.479 It's pretty good looking. Yeah. It's a pretty nice looking film. 1709 01:40:10.279 --> 01:40:12.500 Not obviously the horror and the gore and all that, 1710 01:40:12.520 --> 01:40:13.560 but it's shot beautifully. 1711 01:40:14.479 --> 01:40:16.420 Hannibal is horror done pretty, but. 1712 01:40:20.039 --> 01:40:21.779 That was one of the women that he set free. 1713 01:40:22.119 --> 01:40:32.460 Yeah. I feel so... Look, I will say this. The 1714 01:40:32.500 --> 01:40:35.460 movie does just genuinely make you feel shitty for this 1715 01:40:35.520 --> 01:40:36.060 poor dude. 1716 01:40:36.220 --> 01:40:36.520 Yeah. 1717 01:40:37.399 --> 01:40:41.920 Like, he's trying, man. Because when... I actually thought that's 1718 01:40:41.960 --> 01:40:44.350 a nice little bit of acting there where the person 1719 01:40:44.359 --> 01:40:47.770 he set free, she falls into the pit. And it's 1720 01:40:47.810 --> 01:40:50.590 not his fault. Like, it's just... It's a terrible accident. 1721 01:40:51.470 --> 01:40:56.310 But just the, like, the resign, like... Ah, fuck. Yeah. Like, 1722 01:40:56.329 --> 01:40:59.989 you just can't... Like, it is beyond caring at this point. Well, 1723 01:41:00.010 --> 01:41:02.750 not beyond Carrie. He's just broken. It's the look of 1724 01:41:02.810 --> 01:41:03.869 a broken person. 1725 01:41:04.449 --> 01:41:07.770 He hit her on the head with the hammer, which 1726 01:41:07.810 --> 01:41:10.170 forced her in, which was him thinking it was Mick Taylor. 1727 01:41:10.470 --> 01:41:10.710 Yeah. 1728 01:41:10.770 --> 01:41:14.180 So seeing her lay there, he's like, fuck, he's right 1729 01:41:14.220 --> 01:41:15.140 behind me, isn't he? 1730 01:41:15.479 --> 01:41:17.979 I didn't think that's what he was acting at all. 1731 01:41:18.039 --> 01:41:20.039 I thought he was just like, oh, I've made someone 1732 01:41:20.079 --> 01:41:25.239 else suffer. And this horrible situation is broken. I disagree 1733 01:41:25.279 --> 01:41:25.619 with you. 1734 01:41:25.779 --> 01:41:27.140 I read it as fuck it wasn't him. 1735 01:41:29.699 --> 01:41:32.460 I think he actually felt very miserable for that poor woman. 1736 01:41:32.920 --> 01:41:34.859 I mean, I'm sure there's regret in it, but most 1737 01:41:34.899 --> 01:41:37.479 of it would have been self-preservation, which was, fuck, it 1738 01:41:37.500 --> 01:41:37.979 wasn't him. 1739 01:41:39.300 --> 01:41:42.340 It's interesting how our two brains work. I think at 1740 01:41:42.380 --> 01:41:44.680 a certain point I would get run into the ground 1741 01:41:44.720 --> 01:41:49.729 and be very defeated. And then, yeah, for yourself, it's 1742 01:41:50.279 --> 01:41:51.189 still the cat and mouse thing. 1743 01:41:51.250 --> 01:42:03.399 Still a matter of survival. He's left him on the 1744 01:42:03.449 --> 01:42:12.159 main street of local town. With a note that says loser. 1745 01:42:13.460 --> 01:42:16.739 Because he was just Australian enough to survive. 1746 01:42:16.760 --> 01:42:23.250 Well, isn't it though, I thought the implication here is 1747 01:42:23.350 --> 01:42:28.689 that he's going to be arrested for the crimes, isn't he? 1748 01:42:30.119 --> 01:42:32.489 The only one who was, so far that I remember 1749 01:42:32.510 --> 01:42:34.710 in the canon, was Jesus, who was the survivor of 1750 01:42:34.729 --> 01:42:35.270 the first one. 1751 01:42:36.430 --> 01:42:38.829 Here we go, sorry. Despite his claims of a crazed 1752 01:42:38.869 --> 01:42:41.689 gunman hunting tourists in the Australian bow back, British tourist 1753 01:42:41.729 --> 01:42:44.970 Paul Hammersmith was initially listed as a probable suspect in 1754 01:42:45.010 --> 01:42:47.729 a series of unsolved murders in the Wolf Creek area. 1755 01:42:48.149 --> 01:42:50.939 During the investigation, he suffered a complete mental breakdown and 1756 01:42:50.979 --> 01:42:54.319 was deported to England and placed in full-time care at 1757 01:42:54.460 --> 01:42:55.979 Ashworth Hospital, Maryside. 1758 01:42:58.390 --> 01:42:59.229 What I want to know. 1759 01:42:59.270 --> 01:43:01.979 He is currently listed as a permanent resident. 1760 01:43:02.500 --> 01:43:05.060 Is how they think he's the one hunting down tourists, 1761 01:43:05.119 --> 01:43:08.039 missing his trigger fingers and with whip marks all over him. 1762 01:43:12.420 --> 01:43:15.840 Is that like an assisted suicide? Is that what that 1763 01:43:15.920 --> 01:43:16.399 idea is? 1764 01:43:16.560 --> 01:43:23.350 I'm not sure. There is a story here, and I 1765 01:43:23.390 --> 01:43:25.760 can see the hints of it, but yeah, it's a... 1766 01:43:26.939 --> 01:43:31.569 It's a fun, silly horror film, and it is very... 1767 01:43:32.510 --> 01:43:35.369 I can't even say it's poorly executed, because it's not 1768 01:43:35.489 --> 01:43:38.970 poorly executed. It just needed... Look, man, give your script 1769

01:43:39.029 --> 01:43:40.899 a second and third pass. That's all I have to 1770 01:43:40.960 --> 01:43:41.859 say about that. 1771 01:43:42.039 --> 01:43:43.579 All it was letting it down is the writing. 1772 01:43:44.420 --> 01:43:48.520 That's really it. The direction, the acting, everything else, I 1773 01:43:48.560 --> 01:43:52.659 think it's... I think it's all on point. I think 1774 01:43:53.239 --> 01:43:55.239 in a lot of ways that it's fantastic. Yeah, so 1775 01:43:55.319 --> 01:43:58.359 you had a second writer with him as well. I 1776 01:43:58.399 --> 01:43:58.880 wonder if. 1777 01:43:59.840 --> 01:44:01.640 The second writer was like, this is the best I 1778 01:44:01.680 --> 01:44:02.539 can do to fix. 1779 01:44:02.420 --> 01:44:05.600 It, man. No, I don't necessarily think that that might 1780 01:44:05.640 --> 01:44:08.239 be the case. Like, I would love to... Hey, you know, 1781 01:44:08.270 --> 01:44:10.939 if you know Greg McLean, let him know. We'd love 1782 01:44:10.970 --> 01:44:12.949 to talk to him about the production of all the 1783 01:44:12.989 --> 01:44:17.250 Wolf Creek stuff. I think that... Because Greg McLean wrote... 1784 01:44:16.989 --> 01:44:21.800 This one. The... First one by himself. Second one, obviously, 1785 01:44:21.819 --> 01:44:25.229 had a co-writer. The following seasons, I believe he wrote 1786 01:44:25.430 --> 01:44:27.789 most of the TV shows with a series of writers 1787 01:44:27.850 --> 01:44:33.989 as well. Yeah, this movie, for its story and its scripting, 1788 01:44:34.130 --> 01:44:37.010 really gets lost in the weeds. Yeah. Really gets lost 1789 01:44:37.029 --> 01:44:38.989 in itself. But, you know, if you're looking for a 1790 01:44:39.069 --> 01:44:41.789 fun horror film that you can sort of laugh at 1791 01:44:41.810 --> 01:44:44.829 a little bit and be a bit startled by, like, 1792 01:44:44.890 --> 01:44:45.409 it's fine. 1793 01:44:45.430 --> 01:44:48.420 There's worse things you could watch. 1794 01:44:49.050 --> 01:44:51.970 Oh, absolutely. Especially out there now, there's a lot of 1795 01:44:52.409 --> 01:44:55.529 shit out there at the moment. A lot of great 1796 01:44:55.590 --> 01:44:59.020 stuff too, like horror is in its golden age. I 1797 01:44:59.060 --> 01:45:01.560 would recommend if you are going to look for a 1798 01:45:01.960 --> 01:45:04.489 horror film, there is one unfortunately from Australia that I 1799 01:45:04.529 --> 01:45:07.539 can recommend that's out at the moment, but I definitely 1800 01:45:07.600 --> 01:45:10.920 enjoyed Resident Evil. If you're a fan of video games, 1801 01:45:10.960 --> 01:45:13.560 you should dig that. And at the end of the month, 1802 01:45:13.649 --> 01:45:15.819 Clayface looks like it. It could be a bit of 1803 01:45:15.859 --> 01:45:16.210 a winner. 1804 01:45:16.569 --> 01:45:19.250 So Wikipedia lists the Wolf Creek series. 1805 01:45:19.550 --> 01:45:20.369 Yeah. 1806 01:45:20.449 --> 01:45:23.770 Written by Peter Gawler and Felicity Packard. He's not listed 1807 01:45:23.810 --> 01:45:24.449 as a writer. 1808 01:45:24.630 --> 01:45:25.829 But he directed. 1809 01:45:25.869 --> 01:45:27.090 He directed three episodes. 1810 01:45:27.130 --> 01:45:33.569 Three episodes, yeah. So, you know, in, yeah. Yeah, I 1811 01:45:33.609 --> 01:45:35.890 think that there was a, there's a point to this movie. 1812 01:45:36.460 --> 01:45:40.239 I think the point is basically like, you know, the 1813 01:45:40.279 --> 01:45:42.500 jingoistic Australian is also full of shit. 1814 01:45:43.159 --> 01:45:44.350 We already knew that. 1815 01:45:44.550 --> 01:45:50.050 We already knew that. And, you know, they're probably just 1816 01:45:50.149 --> 01:45:54.130 as dangerous towards Australians as they are towards tourists. I 1817 01:45:54.170 --> 01:45:58.710 think a lot of stuff got lost. That's interesting. Storyboard 1818 01:45:58.850 --> 01:46:02.930 artist is Mark Sexton. I interviewed Mark Sexton. Years ago, 1819 01:46:02.989 --> 01:46:06.760 you can actually hear him on our Osploitation podcast where 1820 01:46:06.770 --> 01:46:10.079 we dug up that old interview. Mark has worked on 1821 01:46:10.100 --> 01:46:14.619 a huge amount of films. If you've watched the recent 1822 01:46:14.659 --> 01:46:18.020 Mad Max films, Fury Road and Furiosa, he worked on 1823 01:46:18.060 --> 01:46:22.970 both of those as a storyboard artist. I believe he's 1824 01:46:23.029 --> 01:46:25.010 worked for Marvel a lot. I think he did a 1825 01:46:25.050 --> 01:46:29.949 lot of storyboarding on Black Panther. Mark is a great dude. 1826 01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:34.520 who very much cares about his community and he cares about... 1827 01:46:34.279 --> 01:46:40.350 I think he's on Northampton, Rockhampton Island. But he talks 1828 01:46:40.390 --> 01:46:42.859 a lot about, you know, support for the infrastructure on 1829 01:46:42.880 --> 01:46:46.500 the island and... funding for the island, stuff like that. 1830 01:46:46.539 --> 01:46:50.039 He's a great dude. He's always out and about too. 1831 01:46:50.100 --> 01:46:53.140 If you happen to go to an Australian comic book convention, 1832 01:46:53.199 --> 01:46:55.460 I think predominantly he does a lot of work with 1833 01:46:55.600 --> 01:46:59.420 Oz Comic Con over Supernova, but you'll see Mark out 1834 01:46:59.439 --> 01:47:01.399 and about all the time. He does a lot of 1835 01:47:01.600 --> 01:47:02.779 comic book stuff as well. 1836 01:47:03.119 --> 01:47:04.260 He also did Thunderbolts. 1837 01:47:05.739 --> 01:47:09.470 He did storyboard Thunderbolts, didn't he? Yes. Yeah, no, he's fantastic. 1838 01:47:09.789 --> 01:47:11.590 Black Panther, Thunderbolts and Sinners. 1839 01:47:12.520 --> 01:47:17.380 Oh, and Sinners as well. Wow. No, Mark's fantastic. I 1840 01:47:18.600 --> 01:47:21.010 really enjoy talking with Mark a lot. I need to 1841 01:47:21.050 --> 01:47:22.649 reach out to him again and see if we can 1842 01:47:22.689 --> 01:47:26.069

actually get him on this show. Remember me? 1843 01:47:26.149 --> 01:47:27.789 I interviewed you 15 years ago. 1844 01:47:28.069 --> 01:47:30.069 Yeah, now we actually have a show with an audience 1845 01:47:30.489 --> 01:47:34.439 as opposed to back then when we didn't. I would say, yeah, 1846 01:47:34.539 --> 01:47:37.260 he'd be one to talk to because, yeah, he's just 1847 01:47:37.720 --> 01:47:44.189 an amazing Australian artist. Yeah, so that's the movie. Not 1848 01:47:44.229 --> 01:47:46.250 really much more to say. There's not a huge amount 1849 01:47:46.270 --> 01:47:49.510 of trivia about it. It was knocked out pretty quickly 1850 01:47:50.369 --> 01:47:55.869 because there was a market for torture porn movies. I 1851 01:47:55.949 --> 01:47:58.319 think this fell kind of into that a little bit, 1852 01:47:58.359 --> 01:48:01.000 but I think it's still more of a sort of 1853 01:48:01.079 --> 01:48:07.119 extreme slasher movie. Roadshow Entertainment, who was producing a lot 1854 01:48:07.159 --> 01:48:12.039 of this sort of stuff, they don't They're pretty much done. 1855 01:48:12.060 --> 01:48:18.899 I believe helping the Warner Brothers co-finance The Matrix 4 1856 01:48:18.899 --> 01:48:23.390 killed them. Yeah. No animals were harmed in the making 1857 01:48:23.430 --> 01:48:23.979 of this movie. 1858 01:48:24.130 --> 01:48:26.989 Well, you see, between the kangaroos and the dog that 1859 01:48:27.029 --> 01:48:28.710 got the gate through its head. 1860 01:48:29.210 --> 01:48:32.670 Yeah. So, yeah, we've watched the director's cut, which I 1861 01:48:32.689 --> 01:48:33.550 think is gorier. 1862 01:48:33.569 --> 01:48:35.609 Yeah. I mean, it'd have to be if it's a 1863 01:48:35.649 --> 01:48:36.899 director's cut of a horror movie. 1864 01:48:37.159 --> 01:48:40.560 Yeah, absolutely. Well, ladies and gentlemen, that's it for us 1865 01:48:40.840 --> 01:48:45.760 for this week. Hope you've enjoyed your spooky commentary for 1866 01:48:45.960 --> 01:48:49.100 the season. Before I let you go, though, we have 1867 01:48:49.159 --> 01:48:53.960 been reached out to by... Well, my mum. My mum 1868 01:48:54.020 --> 01:48:59.340 reached out to us. And the reason that she reached 1869 01:48:59.439 --> 01:49:03.239 out to us is to let us know that the... 1870 01:49:04.199 --> 01:49:08.510 Cat Rescue, the animal rescue that we adopted our cat 1871 01:49:08.569 --> 01:49:13.270 Harley from, is currently in the middle of doing a fundraiser. 1872 01:49:14.649 --> 01:49:18.829 I'm just going to have a look at the details here. Now, 1873 01:49:18.890 --> 01:49:19.590 this is Roma. 1874 01:49:19.829 --> 01:49:20.789 Dunroman Pets, Inc. 1875 01:49:20.850 --> 01:49:23.729 Yeah, Dunroman Pets, Inc., which is. 1876 01:49:24.050 --> 01:49:25.470 I have shared it on our Facebook page. 1877 01:49:25.829 --> 01:49:28.470 Holly has shared it on the Facebook page. We're going 1878 01:49:28.489 --> 01:49:31.090 to talk about it just a little bit here. Now... 1879 01:49:31.859 --> 01:49:35.800 The reason that we came into contact with Dunroman Pets 1880 01:49:36.310 --> 01:49:39.810 is it's not actually a suburb of a place. Is 1881 01:49:39.869 --> 01:49:40.970 it Dunroaming? 1882 01:49:41.250 --> 01:49:42.270 As I'm Dunroaming. 1883 01:49:42.310 --> 01:49:46.010 Dunroaming? Yeah. Which I think is a great name. Reason 1884 01:49:46.069 --> 01:49:48.369 I came into contact with them is we were actually 1885 01:49:48.390 --> 01:49:51.189 at the time struggling to be able to adopt a 1886 01:49:51.250 --> 01:49:55.720 cat in Canberra. Yeah. We'd lost a poor old Tali, 1887 01:49:56.199 --> 01:49:58.920 and so we always like having two animals. We have 1888 01:49:58.939 --> 01:50:02.829 space for two animals, and we'd like to help animals. 1889 01:50:03.670 --> 01:50:05.909 If you've listened to the podcast, you've heard us talk 1890 01:50:05.930 --> 01:50:09.750 a lot about helping animals. Dingo Den, years ago, after 1891 01:50:09.789 --> 01:50:11.699 the bushfire ran through, we had a lot of lovely 1892 01:50:11.739 --> 01:50:17.510 listeners help support Dingo Den, which we really appreciated. So 1893 01:50:18.029 --> 01:50:20.050 we were looking to adopt a cat. And the problem 1894 01:50:20.069 --> 01:50:23.109 with Canberra and adoption is you do have the RSPCA here. 1895 01:50:23.630 --> 01:50:26.439 They predominantly work with Pet Barn, which I think is 1896 01:50:26.479 --> 01:50:27.270 a great initiative. 1897 01:50:27.560 --> 01:50:27.720 Yes. 1898 01:50:27.739 --> 01:50:29.880 I think that's a great way to get kittens out 1899 01:50:30.039 --> 01:50:33.439 into stores and people can see them and adopt them. 1900 01:50:33.520 --> 01:50:36.859 I think that's great because we don't do any puppy farming, 1901 01:50:36.899 --> 01:50:40.640 kitten farming in Australia is done. Yeah. Outside of private breeders, 1902 01:50:41.920 --> 01:50:45.000 you can't walk into a pet store and adopt a cat. No. Well, 1903 01:50:45.079 --> 01:50:47.970 adopt a cat, buy a cat. You can't buy animals 1904 01:50:48.010 --> 01:50:50.810 for purchase. Outside of birds? And fish? 1905 01:50:50.850 --> 01:50:51.550 Birds and fish. 1906 01:50:51.630 --> 01:50:52.329 Birds and fish, I think. 1907 01:50:52.350 --> 01:50:54.149 But even birds, they're starting to. 1908 01:50:54.229 --> 01:50:55.210 Crack down. Yeah. 1909 01:50:55.310 --> 01:51:00.229 So, mostly it's like insects because that's lizard and that food. 1910 01:51:00.390 --> 01:51:03.470 You've got fish because, you know, no one cares really 1911 01:51:03.489 --> 01:51:08.329 about fish. And other than that, they generally don't hold pets, 1912 01:51:08.449 --> 01:51:10.909 aside from obviously the RSPCA's rescue cats. 1913 01:51:11.630 --> 01:51:17.689 Now, my late stepfather, Mel, he... worked with a lot 1914 01:51:17.710 --> 01:51:21.909 of different rehomings because he was the ranger instrument for 1915 01:51:21.930 --> 01:51:24.069 a very long time. So he

worked with a lot 1916 01:51:24.090 --> 01:51:27.909 of different rehoming groups and animal shelters as well. And 1917 01:51:28.449 --> 01:51:33.739 he spoke very highly of Dunroaming Pets. And at the time, 1918 01:51:33.760 --> 01:51:39.739 a couple of kittens and your mum-in-law, my mother, went 1919 01:51:39.779 --> 01:51:41.460 down and picked out Harley for us. 1920 01:51:41.539 --> 01:51:41.779 Yes. 1921 01:51:42.140 --> 01:51:44.720 And we went down there because in Canberra there's a 1922 01:51:44.739 --> 01:51:49.949 lot of private cat uh shelters and they do very 1923 01:51:50.050 --> 01:51:54.569 good work but they also uh and we we were 1924 01:51:54.609 --> 01:51:58.390 looking to sort of i don't know have more of 1925 01:51:58.470 --> 01:52:01.529 a normal pet shelter experience rather than an interview and 1926 01:52:01.569 --> 01:52:05.109 all that sort of stuff so um mel spoke very 1927 01:52:05.189 --> 01:52:09.560 highly uh of the uh organizers that done roman pets 1928 01:52:10.079 --> 01:52:12.939 and his endorsement is is worth a considered loved and 1929 01:52:12.960 --> 01:52:19.149 looked after animals So right now, Dunroaming Pets is chock-a-blocked 1930 01:52:19.390 --> 01:52:23.590 with cats. Yes. Kittens. There are pregnant cats coming through 1931 01:52:23.609 --> 01:52:24.930 all the time. So I just want to read this 1932 01:52:24.970 --> 01:52:29.189 part if you'll indulge me for a minute. We're struggling 1933 01:52:29.229 --> 01:52:32.630 to keep our doors open. We need to raise $ 20, 000 1934 01:52:31.430 --> 01:52:35.970 and genuinely worried about what happens if we can't. This 1935 01:52:36.029 --> 01:52:38.069 is in one of those posts I really didn't have 1936 01:52:38.109 --> 01:52:40.859 to write. Kitten season has barely started and already we 1937 01:52:40.899 --> 01:52:43.220 are overwhelmed. The number of pregnant cats ending up in 1938 01:52:43.239 --> 01:52:46.319 pounds is heartbreaking. Kittens are coming into care faster than 1939 01:52:46.340 --> 01:52:48.819 rescues can cope. And everywhere we turn, there seems to 1940 01:52:48.859 --> 01:52:51.659 be another desperate plea for help. The worst part is 1941 01:52:51.760 --> 01:52:54.159 we know this is only the start of the season. 1942 01:52:55.119 --> 01:52:57.199 We're so worried about the months ahead because we're already 1943 01:52:57.239 --> 01:52:59.579 struggling financially and don't know how we are going to 1944 01:52:59.619 --> 01:53:02.380 get through another kitten season at this rate. We are 1945 01:53:02.420 --> 01:53:07.390 now dangerously close to having to close our intake. Now 1946 01:53:07.590 --> 01:53:13.989 there's a, um, an emergency appeal to drop here. Uh, 1947 01:53:14.960 --> 01:53:17.020 I don't know if reading out the link is going 1948 01:53:17.079 --> 01:53:17.500 to help. 1949 01:53:17.520 --> 01:53:18.079 Probably not. 1950 01:53:18.239 --> 01:53:19.470 Just go to the Facebook page. So I would say 1951 01:53:19.479 --> 01:53:23.750 go to our Facebook page. Now, they're working very hard. 1952 01:53:24.149 --> 01:53:32.979 They're desperately trying to get this money raised. Harley came 1953 01:53:33.039 --> 01:53:37.159 to us with care package, thank you gifts. 1954 01:53:37.359 --> 01:53:38.239 Food, litter. 1955 01:53:38.319 --> 01:53:42.960 Food, litter. She was de-sexed. She was vaccinated. 1956 01:53:42.979 --> 01:53:43.579 Microchipped. 1957 01:53:43.720 --> 01:53:48.439 Microchipped, ready to go. They do the registration and that. Yep. 1958 01:53:49.060 --> 01:53:51.899 You know, I can't tell you how above board this is. 1959 01:53:54.119 --> 01:53:56.939 I don't understand why people are still refusing to neuter 1960 01:53:56.979 --> 01:54:01.329 their cats. I don't understand why. People are so against 1961 01:54:01.409 --> 01:54:05.340 desexing animals. If we don't desex animals, this is exactly 1962 01:54:05.380 --> 01:54:10.899 what happens. So if you could do one or two things, right? 1963 01:54:11.460 --> 01:54:15.020 If you are looking for a new adoptee, I think 1964 01:54:15.060 --> 01:54:17.680 that's also a great way to help. Yes. Is to, 1965 01:54:18.380 --> 01:54:21.819 you know, if the resources are thin, go and adopt 1966 01:54:21.899 --> 01:54:22.180 a cat. 1967 01:54:22.239 --> 01:54:22.380 Yep. 1968 01:54:22.659 --> 01:54:24.579 You know, that's probably going to be a really, really 1969 01:54:24.619 --> 01:54:28.560 good way to help quickly. Or if you can make 1970 01:54:28.600 --> 01:54:32.180 those donations to help them to look after all of 1971 01:54:32.260 --> 01:54:36.979 the little animals that need homes right now, you can 1972 01:54:37.000 --> 01:54:39.569 head to our Facebook page and you can help out 1973 01:54:39.590 --> 01:54:43.510 with that appeal. Like I said, Holly's a great cat. 1974 01:54:43.850 --> 01:54:48.909 She's a lovely animal. She came to us healthy, happy, exuberant. 1975 01:54:49.090 --> 01:54:52.189 She was a great little kitten. Chaotic. Holly and I 1976 01:54:52.289 --> 01:54:53.770 have always had rescue animals. 1977 01:54:53.789 --> 01:54:55.180 Yes. 1978 01:54:56.100 --> 01:55:00.760 Holly's family especially are big advocates of rescue animals. 1979 01:55:01.060 --> 01:55:02.939 They usually adopt through the Animal Welfare League. 1980 01:55:03.119 --> 01:55:08.199 Yep. And we have rescued all of our little animals, 1981 01:55:08.680 --> 01:55:10.319 except a friend gave us a kitten. 1982 01:55:10.590 --> 01:55:11.359 Yep. 1983 01:55:11.819 --> 01:55:14.989 Outside of Joker, all three, the other three have all 1984 01:55:15.029 --> 01:55:15.770 been rescues. 1985 01:55:16.109 --> 01:55:17.770 I mean, Joker was a rescue. He would have been 1986 01:55:17.789 --> 01:55:18.430 an outdoor cat. 1987 01:55:18.529 --> 01:55:20.649 Yeah, he would have been an outdoor cat. So, yeah, 1988 01:55:20.750 --> 01:55:23.369 all of our cats have been rescue cats. We're firm 1989 01:55:23.409 -->

01:55:26.640 believers in... And what they're out there doing. And then, 1990 01:55:26.680 --> 01:55:28.760 of course, when you get your cat home, keep it indoors. 1991 01:55:28.939 --> 01:55:29.579 And give it cuddles. 1992 01:55:30.180 --> 01:55:33.779 All cats should be indoor cats. So, yeah, Dunroaming Pets, 1993 01:55:34.300 --> 01:55:36.840 you can find that. Sorry, Dunroaming Inc., you can find 1994 01:55:36.859 --> 01:55:39.819 their Facebook page. I'll just spell it out for you 1995 01:55:39.899 --> 01:55:48.250 one more time. That's D-U-N-R-O-A-M-I-N-P-E-T-S, Inc., I-N-C. If you can 1996 01:55:48.310 --> 01:55:50.130 go and check that out. Maybe you have a few 1997 01:55:50.170 --> 01:55:55.100 dollars that you don't mind sending their way. Or you 1998 01:55:55.119 --> 01:55:59.079 can reach out to them and start the adoption process 1999 01:55:59.140 --> 01:56:00.520 and try and get some of these cats. 2000 01:56:00.760 --> 01:56:01.859 Find a furry little friend. 2001 01:56:02.260 --> 01:56:04.739 Out there, yeah, because we watched the entirety of Wolf 2002 01:56:04.779 --> 01:56:09.239 Creek with Harley on one side and Raish on the other. 2003 01:56:09.500 --> 01:56:09.680 Yep. 2004 01:56:10.199 --> 01:56:14.060 So, you know, they're great little pets, especially if you've 2005 01:56:14.079 --> 01:56:15.800 got little kids and you're not quite ready for the 2006 01:56:15.819 --> 01:56:19.859 big dog yet. I think cats are wonderful little companions 2007 01:56:19.979 --> 01:56:24.529 and pets. Yeah, people always say that you can come 2008 01:56:24.569 --> 01:56:28.340 across non-affectionate cats. I'm yet to find a cat that 2009 01:56:28.359 --> 01:56:29.979 doesn't like a little bit of a cuddle when they 2010 01:56:30.000 --> 01:56:34.060 get cold. Yep. So, yeah, if you can help, that 2011 01:56:34.079 --> 01:56:36.560 would be great. And if you can adopt a cat 2012 01:56:36.640 --> 01:56:40.050 from them, that would be even better. Before we let 2013 01:56:40.069 --> 01:56:42.710 you go, don't forget, if you have something you'd like 2014 01:56:42.750 --> 01:56:44.770 to let us know about, you can shoot us an email, 2015 01:56:44.789 --> 01:56:49.430 wecrappenaustralia at gmail.com, especially if it's a charity organization, especially 2016 01:56:49.470 --> 01:56:52.210 if you have a story. We try and help where 2017 01:56:52.250 --> 01:56:55.489 we can, when we can. Yep. All you have to 2018 01:56:55.529 --> 01:56:58.970 do is just get in contact with us and let 2019 01:56:59.029 --> 01:57:01.029 us know. We, of course, do our due diligence because 2020 01:57:01.050 --> 01:57:04.920 there are a lot of exploitative individuals out there, aren't there, Holly? Yes, 2021 01:57:04.930 --> 01:57:09.510 there are. So you have to be very careful of those. Otherwise, yeah, 2022 01:57:09.810 --> 01:57:14.510 please shoot us through an email. We're steadily moving towards 2023 01:57:14.529 --> 01:57:17.630 the Christmas season. We have got

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