Full Transcript for From Cattle Ranch to UFO Watchtower: Making Room for Stories | Judy Messoline

day. And I was telling 72 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:13.079 him about my dilemma. I said I had to sell 73 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:15.459 the cows, but I don't want to sell my land. 74 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:18.459 And he said, well, you need to put up that 75 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:24.360 UFO watchtower. You'd have fun. So I did. It's a 76 00:05:24.420 --> 00:05:30.259 dome building, has a platform that goes around it. When 77 00:05:30.290 --> 00:05:34.110 you get up, and the platform's only 10 feet high. 78 00:05:34.850 --> 00:05:38.709 But when you're already at 7,600 feet, you don't need 79 00:05:38.730 --> 00:05:42.269 to be much higher. But it gets you up off 80 00:05:42.329 --> 00:05:44.939 the lay of the land. And when you get up 81 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:50.600 on the tower, you've got a 360-degree view of the valley. 82 00:05:52.139 --> 00:05:57.089 Thus far, we've had 145 UFO sightings from the tower 83 00:05:57.110 --> 00:06:03.930 since we opened in 2000. I personally have seen 27 84 00:06:03.930 --> 00:06:08.800 of them. And just phenomenal. And you have to think 85 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:12.579 about it from the standpoint from I had never seen 86 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:17.399 anything prior to opening. I never expected to. Then we 87 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:20.399 started having the sightings and I'm going, oh my God, 88 00:06:20.459 --> 00:06:23.720 what have I been missing out on? But we've had 89 00:06:23.779 --> 00:06:30.910 daytime sightings as well as nighttime and we've seen actual 90 00:06:31.009 --> 00:06:36.680 ships as well as the strange lights. it's been quite 91 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:39.819 the experience, I'll tell you that. And I can't believe 92 00:06:39.899 --> 00:06:43.540 that this has been going now for 17 years. It 93 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:46.560 has just blown my mind. And I said, where did 94 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:47.180 the time go? 95 00:06:47.180 --> 00:06:53.889 As I'm reading your bio here, it's talking about what 96 00:06:53.949 --> 00:06:56.149 kind of got you interested in some of this stuff 97 00:06:56.209 --> 00:07:00.189 was watching a lot of TV, watching the television show 98 00:07:00.290 --> 00:07:03.959 sightings and watching X-Files and And then hearing these different 99 00:07:04.019 --> 00:07:07.259 memes and things that are going on in the television 100 00:07:07.300 --> 00:07:09.680 shows or even in the music and the movies and stuff, 101 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:13.660 you start to put things together. And it almost seems 102 00:07:13.699 --> 00:07:16.879 like these people who are writing these movies or writing 103 00:07:16.930 --> 00:07:19.709 these shows, they know something that we don't. And when 104 00:07:19.750 --> 00:07:21.629 we pick up on this stuff and start putting the 105 00:07:21.670 --> 00:07:25.350 pieces together, we start finding out that they were on 106 00:07:25.410 --> 00:07:25.889 to something. 107 00:07:25.970 --> 00:07:26.129 So. 108 00:07:26.660 --> 00:07:29.540 Is it

something about the location, because you kept hearing 109 00:07:29.579 --> 00:07:34.339 about great sand dunes, San Luis Valley, and things like that. 110 00:07:34.459 --> 00:07:36.639 Is it something about the location that you believe is special? 111 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:43.759 Yes. They've had documented UFO sightings in the valley since 112 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:48.810 about the 1560s. The conquistadors wrote in their journals what 113 00:07:48.850 --> 00:07:55.730 they had seen. There's all kinds of ideas of why here. 114 00:07:56.350 --> 00:07:59.790 Some say it's the spirituality of the valley. The Native 115 00:07:59.850 --> 00:08:04.199 Americans consider the valley floor sacred. They wouldn't fight on 116 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:06.839 the valley floor. They'd have their peace talks on the 117 00:08:06.899 --> 00:08:12.160 valley floor. Some say that there's an ET base over 118 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:16.220 in Mount Blanca. It could be there's lots of activity 119 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:21.110 over there. And we have actually seen planes fly into 120 00:08:21.410 --> 00:08:24.660 that mountain. So I don't know what's in there, but 121 00:08:24.699 --> 00:08:28.980 maybe someday we'll find out. Others say it's the vastness 122 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:33.440 of the valley because it's so large and not highly populated. 123 00:08:34.700 --> 00:08:37.830 I was reading a magazine from Great Britain, and it 124 00:08:37.950 --> 00:08:40.690 said that the majority of their sightings was where there 125 00:08:40.730 --> 00:08:44.629 were hot water wells. That makes sense to me because 126 00:08:44.769 --> 00:08:47.929 we have the geothermal water from one end of the 127 00:08:47.990 --> 00:08:52.519 valley to the other. So what somebody would need from 128 00:08:52.580 --> 00:08:56.799 another world with the geothermal water, I don't know unless 129 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:00.950 they're following the fault line, which that makes sense as well. 130 00:09:02.750 --> 00:09:06.669 So talking about a UFO watchtower and creating almost a 131 00:09:06.889 --> 00:09:10.840 UFO sanctuary, like this special place that you can come to, 132 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:13.919 to have an encounter, to meet with the divine, because 133 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:16.379 I know you guys tie spirituality in with it, which 134 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:20.059 is so beautiful. When I started having my experiences going 135 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:25.080 out sky watching and seeing craft and seeing ships or 136 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:27.600 what we could call ships that seem to be alive 137 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:30.669 and seem to morph and change and travel back and 138 00:09:30.730 --> 00:09:33.509 forth from what we call heaven to earth and seeing 139 00:09:33.610 --> 00:09:35.870 all of these things that just blows your mind. When 140 00:09:35.889 --> 00:09:38.629 I started having these encounters, I had a crew of 141 00:09:38.649 --> 00:09:40.649 guys over here and we went to work on my 142 00:09:40.690 --> 00:09:43.740 backyard and we cut down all the trees so that 143 00:09:43.769 --> 00:09:46.100 I had a clear view of the night sky in 144 00:09:46.139 --> 00:09:50.740 my backyard. And Essentially created my own UFO sanctuary that 145 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:53.549 we can go and meditate and watch the sky and 146 00:09:53.610 --> 00:09:56.279 you know try to make contact essentially asking for a 147 00:09:56.340 --> 00:09:59.159 sighting um so that's that's what kind of you know 148 00:09:59.220 --> 00:10:00.679 i'm saying drew me to your work as well it's 149 00:10:00.700 --> 00:10:02.799 like okay you actually did it you you built it 150 00:10:02.820 --> 00:10:05.220 you took the time to do that and it's awesome 151 00:10:05.659 --> 00:10:07.799 that you're doing it and you actually let people come 152 00:10:07.860 --> 00:10:09.500 in people come in and stay i know you guys 153 00:10:09.850 --> 00:10:12.129 do bed and breakfast and stuff like that as well right. 154 00:10:13.509 --> 00:10:18.470 Correct we have a campground um And I'll tell you 155 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:23.490 what's really been cool about this whole thing is that 156 00:10:24.029 --> 00:10:28.370 we have found that people who have had experiences, they 157 00:10:28.389 --> 00:10:30.990 can come and talk to them with us and we 158 00:10:31.029 --> 00:10:33.789 don't make fun of them. You know, where if they 159 00:10:33.830 --> 00:10:36.289 go to the general public and try to say, well, 160 00:10:36.389 --> 00:10:39.340 I saw such and such, and somebody will say, what 161 00:10:39.379 --> 00:10:42.580 were you drinking or what were you smoking? You know, 162 00:10:42.779 --> 00:10:47.320 and we don't do that. We have very open minds. 163 00:10:48.049 --> 00:10:52.700 And we hopefully want people who come to have an 164 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:59.879 open mind as well. Now, personally, I think that the 165 00:10:59.960 --> 00:11:03.730 people from another world, I think they're in a different 166 00:11:03.769 --> 00:11:07.529 dimension than we are. And that's why they can pop 167 00:11:07.629 --> 00:11:10.929 in and out at will. And whether that's true or not, 168 00:11:11.090 --> 00:11:14.309 I don't know. But it sure makes sense how they 169 00:11:14.350 --> 00:11:16.480 can be there one second and gone the next. 170 00:11:17.860 --> 00:11:22.120 I get this notion from just studying the way things 171 00:11:22.179 --> 00:11:24.340 work in the, in the world and the government and 172 00:11:24.379 --> 00:11:28.169 stuff like that. And seeing, and seeing videos from outer 173 00:11:28.230 --> 00:11:33.149 space of laser beams being shot from earth and being 174 00:11:33.250 --> 00:11:37.490 shot up at the stars or at moving objects in space. 175 00:11:38.090 --> 00:11:40.169 And then those objects will turn around and leave when 176 00:11:40.210 --> 00:11:43.169 a laser beam is shot up at them. Very compelling footage. 177 00:11:44.149 -->

00:11:45.899 I get the notion that, and I want to say, 178 00:11:45.909 --> 00:11:49.830 if you agree with this, um, That some of these ships, 179 00:11:49.870 --> 00:11:52.840 when they come in, you know, the government doesn't want 180 00:11:52.899 --> 00:11:55.460 us to see these guys where they will try to send. 181 00:11:55.600 --> 00:12:00.279 I've seen I've seen UFOs during the day and they 182 00:12:00.299 --> 00:12:02.700 were there. They told me to look at it with 183 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:06.590 some telepathic communication that said, hey, look over here. This 184 00:12:06.649 --> 00:12:09.190 is where this plane is flying. I look over and 185 00:12:09.490 --> 00:12:12.330 where a jet was flying was right towards a UFO 186 00:12:12.649 --> 00:12:15.700 that was just posed there, a sphere in the middle 187 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:17.620 of the day. As soon as I seen it, I said, 188 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:20.649 is that a UFO? It disappeared. It let me see it, 189 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:23.659 and then it left. I have this feeling that the 190 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:26.340 government doesn't want us to know that they're there and 191 00:12:26.379 --> 00:12:28.600 doesn't want us to make contact. Do you have any 192 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:29.419 information on that? 193 00:12:32.259 --> 00:12:34.889 No, but I really feel that you're on the right track. 194 00:12:34.909 --> 00:12:42.409 We've seen them as well. In fact, I saw one 195 00:12:42.549 --> 00:12:49.879 one time. It was following a jetliner, and this silver 196 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:54.440 orb appeared behind the jetliner and was bouncing off the 197 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:59.519 jet stream. And all of a sudden, it's gone. You know, 198 00:12:59.730 --> 00:13:03.070 it's the same when you make, oh, you call the 199 00:13:03.110 --> 00:13:07.289 media and you say, hey, we just had a UFO sighting. 200 00:13:07.370 --> 00:13:11.909 And boy, they put it on their newscast and everything. 201 00:13:12.710 --> 00:13:17.049 And then you never hear about it again. And I 202 00:13:17.110 --> 00:13:20.350 think these folks are hushed up by the government. The 203 00:13:20.389 --> 00:13:24.049 government doesn't want us to know what's going on, which 204 00:13:24.129 --> 00:13:27.500 is kind of a pit. Because if, in fact, they 205 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:30.779 are there, and if, in fact, they are trying to help, 206 00:13:31.779 --> 00:13:36.240 why does not the government, why don't they pursue that? 207 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:39.809 Why don't they let them help us? 208 00:13:40.169 --> 00:13:42.870 Yeah, that really is the the dilemma. And if they, 209 00:13:42.929 --> 00:13:44.889 if they are the good guys, cause I really believe 210 00:13:44.929 --> 00:13:47.970 that the craft that are out there are the good guys. 211 00:13:48.009 --> 00:13:50.669 Like every interaction I've had, the people that I'm involved 212 00:13:50.710 --> 00:13:54.980 with and people who are going out pursuing contact of 213 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:58.659 the fifth kind, the CE5 initiatives to go out in 214 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:01.399 an open field, to meditate and to pray, to get 215 00:14:01.500 --> 00:14:04.279 oneself prepared, to have an encounter. And a lot of 216 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:06.700 people do, it does take time. You have to wait. 217 00:14:06.980 --> 00:14:09.639 And just like fishing almost, like I think if you 218 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:11.570 go out fishing, you can't just kind of, you know, 219 00:14:11.610 --> 00:14:13.789 cast your reel in and pull something right back out. 220 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:16.120 It's kind of the same thing. And I like to 221 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:19.360 relate it to fishing because there's so much, there's so 222 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:22.480 much out there in space. Just like if we was 223 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:25.340 to look at the ocean of all of the different beings, 224 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:28.000 all of the different creatures, some of that we've never, we're, 225 00:14:28.460 --> 00:14:33.669 we're discovering even after the hurricanes, washing these weird looking 226 00:14:33.769 --> 00:14:37.850 space creatures onto the ocean, onto the beach from the 227 00:14:38.009 --> 00:14:40.419 ocean and, which we've never seen before. And there's all 228 00:14:40.460 --> 00:14:43.320 types of stuff out there. So when we look into 229 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:46.039 the ocean, it's almost the same thing as gazing into 230 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:49.519 the heavens where there's all types of beings, spirits and 231 00:14:49.620 --> 00:14:52.259 entities and angels and things like that that are spoken 232 00:14:52.340 --> 00:14:55.279 of in the holy books. Like if we're talking about angels, 233 00:14:55.299 --> 00:14:58.850 there's rankings, there's orders, there's the Bible calls it the 234 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:01.549 host of heaven. And the host is the armies of 235 00:15:01.610 --> 00:15:04.250 heaven and the fleet and they travel. And I've seen 236 00:15:04.389 --> 00:15:06.750 so much stuff out there. And a lot of times 237 00:15:06.769 --> 00:15:10.580 you'll be out there stargazing or looking for UFOs, and 238 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:14.059 you'll be looking out there for just a light or 239 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:17.899 something to make contact with, and you'll see something totally different. Like, 240 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:19.820 what are some of the things that you've seen that 241 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:22.740 maybe it wasn't a UFO, maybe it was a spirit, 242 00:15:22.779 --> 00:15:25.559 maybe it was an angel, but it looked different versus 243 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:27.230 just a light in the sky? What are some of 244 00:15:27.250 --> 00:15:28.230 the different things you've seen? 245 00:15:30.429 --> 00:15:34.409 Well, we've seen the orbs that are... down in front 246 00:15:34.450 --> 00:15:38.850 of the tower. And we see those just quite often. 247 00:15:39.730 --> 00:15:44.009 And

so what are they? They say that they're an energy. 248 00:15:44.029 --> 00:15:51.389 So what kind of energy? You know, we've seen, oh, 249 00:15:51.429 --> 00:15:56.149 we had some campers report last summer, three different times 250 00:15:56.909 --> 00:16:03.110 of seeing these green figures. illuminated in a green light 251 00:16:03.269 --> 00:16:07.759 running through the place. We had a paranormal group come 252 00:16:07.820 --> 00:16:10.320 and they stayed at the B & B and they 253 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:12.360 went over to the tower in the middle of the 254 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:16.019 night and they said that they saw a figure illuminated 255 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:18.720 in a green light standing out there. Well, they thought 256 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:21.879 I had put something out there because I do that. 257 00:16:22.370 --> 00:16:27.549 I decorate things around the place. And I hadn't put 258 00:16:27.629 --> 00:16:30.389 anything out there. They came back the next morning to 259 00:16:30.409 --> 00:16:34.919 see and nothing was there. So again, there's some kind 260 00:16:34.980 --> 00:16:38.639 of an energy there. And I think they are trying 261 00:16:38.700 --> 00:16:42.370 to make contact. We have a garden in the front 262 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:44.870 of the tower, and they call it the healing garden. 263 00:16:46.409 --> 00:16:49.129 And it's a place for people to go and meditate 264 00:16:50.230 --> 00:16:57.070 and relax and kind of get into themselves. I've had 265 00:16:57.090 --> 00:17:00.700 psychics tell me that we have two large vortexes there. 266 00:17:02.169 --> 00:17:04.990 And they described a vortex as a portal to a 267 00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:08.940 parallel universe or an opening. They spin and they're full 268 00:17:08.980 --> 00:17:12.420 of energy. But they also said that there are two 269 00:17:12.500 --> 00:17:16.660 large beings there who protect the entrances to the vortexes. 270 00:17:17.380 --> 00:17:21.079 But they are also there to help. So if someone 271 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:25.119 goes into the garden and asks for help with their life, 272 00:17:26.049 --> 00:17:32.140 whether it be financial, spiritual, or whatever... They're to ask 273 00:17:32.220 --> 00:17:35.700 for that help. There has been phenomenal results. We have 274 00:17:35.859 --> 00:17:39.059 one woman who swears to God that the garden healed 275 00:17:39.099 --> 00:17:43.410 her cancer. And if it did, oh, thank God, hallelujah, 276 00:17:43.490 --> 00:17:47.150 you know. The other thing that the psychics told me 277 00:17:47.230 --> 00:17:50.609 is that we have a Christ ship under the tower, 278 00:17:51.130 --> 00:17:59.730 under the dome. And I really believe that. Because when 279 00:17:59.769 --> 00:18:03.170 you get so many in and there's been 30, 35 280 00:18:03.170 --> 00:18:09.910 psychics in who have all said the same thing, you 281 00:18:09.930 --> 00:18:14.890 start believing it. And, you know, my grandson said to 282 00:18:14.930 --> 00:18:16.890 me one day I had to run up to the 283 00:18:16.950 --> 00:18:20.059 post office and he watched the shop for me while 284 00:18:20.099 --> 00:18:23.460 I was gone. And he said, Grandma, I saw an 285 00:18:23.619 --> 00:18:27.859 alien come out of a hole over there. And I thought, okay, 286 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:32.480 it's the kid's imagination, right? Well, I went over and 287 00:18:32.529 --> 00:18:35.849 sure enough, there was a hole. And there was an 288 00:18:36.789 --> 00:18:42.309 area where something could have come out of it. So 289 00:18:42.650 --> 00:18:46.730 do I believe in all this stuff? You betcha. You know, 290 00:18:46.809 --> 00:18:50.569 it's taken, it took some time to get used to it, 291 00:18:50.589 --> 00:18:54.970 but I'll tell you something. There is definitely something over 292 00:18:55.009 --> 00:18:58.710 there under that tower. And they say that it's the 293 00:18:58.789 --> 00:19:03.930 Palladians and they are protecting me. And I totally believe that. 294 00:19:05.509 --> 00:19:08.079 There's a lot of people who are skeptics about it. 295 00:19:08.450 --> 00:19:10.539 They don't believe. And I think, I really do think 296 00:19:10.630 --> 00:19:13.160 seeing is believing. I think that makes a lot of sense. 297 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:16.500 I think there's an inward knowing too, though, before you 298 00:19:16.539 --> 00:19:18.359 see it, almost like you, you kind of went out 299 00:19:18.420 --> 00:19:23.509 on a limb and created this facility, this sanctuary, without 300 00:19:23.609 --> 00:19:26.509 even having the encounters out there. So almost like if 301 00:19:26.549 --> 00:19:29.720 you build it, they will come. And that's so true 302 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:34.119 because people are skeptical. They, you know, they don't believe you. 303 00:19:34.299 --> 00:19:37.759 You sound crazy. You're talking about seeing UFOs. And then 304 00:19:38.140 --> 00:19:41.329 did I just hear you say that you're telepathically communicating 305 00:19:41.509 --> 00:19:44.890 with and receiving messages from these beings or these ships? 306 00:19:44.950 --> 00:19:48.569 And so that sounds even more crazy, right? So, but 307 00:19:48.630 --> 00:19:51.119 I truly believe if you build it they will come 308 00:19:51.299 --> 00:19:53.500 if you go out there and you spend the time 309 00:19:53.660 --> 00:19:56.059 and your intention is pure and you want to see 310 00:19:56.119 --> 00:19:59.480 a craft if you want to see the angels i 311 00:19:59.940 --> 00:20:03.400 i believe a hundred percent that they will show up 312 00:20:03.460 --> 00:20:05.980 that it's not an instant thing i think going out 313 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:10.109 there sometimes taking hours sometimes i think that that's almost 314 00:20:10.150 --> 00:20:12.630 to kind of prove that you really want it. Like 315 00:20:12.690 --> 00:20:16.349 how bad do you want to know? And if you 316 00:20:16.390 --> 00:20:18.490 want to know, they will

show themselves to you. Is 317 00:20:18.529 --> 00:20:20.710 that kind of what you've seen of skeptics come out 318 00:20:20.730 --> 00:20:21.910 there and haven't seen anything? 319 00:20:23.609 --> 00:20:27.039 Oh yeah. And the skeptics, you know, I get lots 320 00:20:27.210 --> 00:20:31.500 of them, but once they have seen something, then it 321 00:20:31.619 --> 00:20:36.500 seems like they have been opened up within themselves. And, um, 322 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:40.519 You know, we tell people to go out in the 323 00:20:40.579 --> 00:20:45.460 garden to feel the energy. And I've got folks that say, well, 324 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:48.019 I'm a skeptic and I don't believe in this stuff. 325 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:51.750 And I tell them, just open yourself, walk through the 326 00:20:51.789 --> 00:20:56.650 garden and feel the energy that's out there. And nine 327 00:20:56.750 --> 00:21:03.319 times out of ten, every one of them has felt something. So, yeah. 328 00:21:03.660 --> 00:21:07.099 If you want it, you have to want it. And 329 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:10.700 you have to be open enough in your heart to 330 00:21:10.789 --> 00:21:11.289 accept it. 331 00:21:13.150 --> 00:21:16.150 What were some of the sightings that you've seen? And 332 00:21:16.190 --> 00:21:20.549 I know because I've spent much time as well, and 333 00:21:20.809 --> 00:21:24.190 you've seen a lot at this point. And so in 334 00:21:24.230 --> 00:21:28.150 the beginning, everything's new. It's different stuff coming, but then 335 00:21:28.170 --> 00:21:30.160 it's like, okay, I've seen it. And you have to 336 00:21:30.190 --> 00:21:32.160 keep the newness alive. You have to keep the newness 337 00:21:32.259 --> 00:21:36.170 of it there. But what are some of the... the 338 00:21:36.230 --> 00:21:39.079 sightings that you've seen that kind of made, you know, 339 00:21:39.130 --> 00:21:42.700 that this is real versus seeing, um, lights in the 340 00:21:42.740 --> 00:21:47.180 sky of them parking in, in, uh, space and then 341 00:21:47.619 --> 00:21:49.700 changing directions and things like that. What were some of 342 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:53.299 the things that you saw that you absolutely believed after that? 343 00:21:55.509 --> 00:22:01.049 Um, we've seen a cigar shaped one and, um, that 344 00:22:01.170 --> 00:22:04.369 one just moved really quickly in front of us. It was, 345 00:22:04.369 --> 00:22:08.190 11 o'clock at night, we had over a dozen people there. 346 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:13.220 Everybody saw it. My granddaughter and I were coming back 347 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:17.519 from Del Norte one evening. It was about 5.30. And 348 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:21.700 over by Mount Blanca, there was this circle of light 349 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:24.480 just going around in a circle. And then a big 350 00:22:24.549 --> 00:22:28.130 beam was shining down on top of it. And I 351 00:22:28.230 --> 00:22:30.970 said to her, I said, you watch that. I'm driving. 352 00:22:31.029 --> 00:22:33.900 I can't pull over. She was only able to watch 353 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:37.460 it for another few seconds, and then it disappeared. Well, 354 00:22:37.500 --> 00:22:41.509 it reappeared about 15 miles to the north, and some 355 00:22:41.549 --> 00:22:46.069 kids coming home from school saw it. So, again, what 356 00:22:46.130 --> 00:22:49.849 the heck was it, you know? I don't know if 357 00:22:49.890 --> 00:22:54.019 you're familiar with Kenneth Arnold, but he was a pilot, 358 00:22:54.059 --> 00:22:55.740 and they did a painting of him in 1947 showing 359 00:22:55.759 --> 00:23:04.180 the ships that he had seen. And the lady who 360 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:07.950 runs my B & B, Candace, she saw the same 361 00:23:08.130 --> 00:23:14.250 one here two years ago over by Mount Blanca. Well, 362 00:23:14.289 --> 00:23:18.029 then I had a gentleman come in from, he lives 363 00:23:18.089 --> 00:23:20.970 in Fort Garland, and he came in the following week 364 00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:23.819 and said that he had seen it on his property there. 365 00:23:25.099 --> 00:23:27.720 At the end of last summer, I had a family 366 00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:30.339 come in. They had property in Fort Garland, and they 367 00:23:30.420 --> 00:23:34.319 saw four of them on their property there. So whatever 368 00:23:34.339 --> 00:23:39.019 it is, it's still around, you know. And it's amazing 369 00:23:39.160 --> 00:23:43.950 how many different shapes there are of UFOs that have 370 00:23:43.970 --> 00:23:49.430 been seen. We've seen what looks like a satellite coming 371 00:23:49.490 --> 00:23:53.309 across the sky. I mean, traveling just like a satellite. 372 00:23:53.690 --> 00:23:56.299 And then all of a sudden, the dang fool thing stops. 373 00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:00.680 Satellites don't stop. The one that we watched, it sat 374 00:24:00.700 --> 00:24:03.559 there for a few seconds and then it went straight up. 375 00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:10.150 One night it looked like a... Well, I kind of 376 00:24:10.210 --> 00:24:13.430 thought maybe it was a shooting star. And I'm watching 377 00:24:13.490 --> 00:24:16.089 it come down. It got below the peaks of the mountains. 378 00:24:16.730 --> 00:24:19.289 And then like it lost its momentum and it started 379 00:24:19.349 --> 00:24:25.559 to float. Well, I'm thinking... that maybe the downdrafts from 380 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:29.480 the mountains would have done that. But the downdrafts from 381 00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:32.500 the mountains didn't shoot it back up into the sky, 382 00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:37.319 and that's what it did. So, you know, there's lots 383 00:24:37.460 --> 00:24:41.519 of things. I mean, we've watched these lights going really 384 00:24:41.579 --> 00:24:45.900 fast and just stop. They're not supposed to stop. I've 385 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.299 checked with the Air Force guys that come in. You know, 386 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:51.579 can our planes go real fast and just

stop? And 387 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:54.640 they said, don't even think about the plane doing it. 388 00:24:55.019 --> 00:24:58.160 The G-force on our bodies, our bodies would blow up. 389 00:24:58.980 --> 00:25:06.539 So this has been pretty amazing. Have you ever been here? 390 00:25:07.099 --> 00:25:09.440 I have not. I'm in the South. I'm in Alabama. 391 00:25:09.500 --> 00:25:10.680 I want to come up there. I've got a lot 392 00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:12.380 of friends up there, but I definitely want to come 393 00:25:12.420 --> 00:25:13.390 up there and see you guys. 394 00:25:15.009 --> 00:25:15.450 Oh, good. 395 00:25:16.349 --> 00:25:20.670 Have you ever seen... a fleet, like more than one 396 00:25:20.710 --> 00:25:22.490 at one time or some traveling together? 397 00:25:24.230 --> 00:25:24.450 Yes. 398 00:25:25.849 --> 00:25:31.670 Yes. And what's crazy is you'll see them going together 399 00:25:31.710 --> 00:25:34.450 and all of a sudden one in the middle just 400 00:25:34.549 --> 00:25:40.200 changes directions and goes the opposite way. And that's not normal. 401 00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:42.680 Planes can't do that. 402 00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:46.319 It's really interesting to see this stuff because there's a 403 00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:48.619 lot of people who actually captured us on footage of 404 00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:51.819 Have you ever had anybody or do you guys have 405 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:54.660 night vision goggles and have seen anything with that? Have 406 00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:55.460 you all tried that yet? 407 00:25:56.920 --> 00:26:01.420 No. We have people who have taken pictures. We have 408 00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:07.650 people who have taken videos. And they're pretty amazing. The 409 00:26:07.730 --> 00:26:10.809 one video I've got, these folks were camping and they 410 00:26:10.910 --> 00:26:13.069 saw this light and they started a video. And it 411 00:26:13.089 --> 00:26:19.130 was just dancing all over the sky. Planes don't dance 412 00:26:19.329 --> 00:26:21.150 all over the sky, you know? 413 00:26:22.089 --> 00:26:24.410 Yeah, that's the weird thing where you know it's not 414 00:26:24.450 --> 00:26:27.829 a satellite, where they're changing speeds and one's shooting out 415 00:26:27.890 --> 00:26:29.910 in front of the other. It's almost like they're playing 416 00:26:30.269 --> 00:26:31.950 a little bit, you know, that they want to be seen. 417 00:26:31.970 --> 00:26:35.460 They know they're being watched, almost like dolphins, essentially, you know, 418 00:26:35.500 --> 00:26:38.140 just that really playful spirit about them. 419 00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:41.779 And I don't think that they're here to harm us. 420 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:44.440 I think they are here to help us. But until... 421 00:26:44.980 --> 00:26:47.859 we are ready for the help. I don't think that's 422 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:51.240 going to happen. And I said, what if, what if 423 00:26:51.299 --> 00:26:55.509 they would make themselves known on earth? What would people 424 00:26:55.589 --> 00:26:58.009 down here do? They go grab a gun and shoot 425 00:26:58.109 --> 00:26:59.609 at them. You know what I mean? 426 00:27:00.509 --> 00:27:00.589 Yeah. 427 00:27:01.150 --> 00:27:05.609 Oh, they would panic. And maybe that's why the government 428 00:27:05.690 --> 00:27:08.450 is trying to keep it so hush hush. I don't, 429 00:27:08.630 --> 00:27:09.029 I don't know. 430 00:27:09.890 --> 00:27:14.140 I've talked, I've talked to people who, um, If aliens 431 00:27:14.220 --> 00:27:16.960 are real to them, and they call them aliens. I 432 00:27:16.980 --> 00:27:19.480 don't think they call themselves aliens, put it that way. 433 00:27:20.009 --> 00:27:24.829 But if these beings exist, then it said they would 434 00:27:25.150 --> 00:27:28.069 lose faith in their religion and in their holy books 435 00:27:28.150 --> 00:27:30.829 and things like that. And there's almost a fear that 436 00:27:31.029 --> 00:27:34.910 if aliens exist, that maybe they did create humankind. Maybe 437 00:27:34.950 --> 00:27:36.930 they are the angels of the Bible, things like that. 438 00:27:37.380 --> 00:27:40.579 And there's a hysteria there even from the religious community. 439 00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:44.220 I've had many conversations with people. But then on the 440 00:27:44.299 --> 00:27:49.000 opposite for me, it doesn't make me doubt my religious beliefs, 441 00:27:49.059 --> 00:27:52.089 but it enforces them to say, no, it's not a 442 00:27:52.130 --> 00:27:56.349 fairy tale. Like there are actual angels out there that 443 00:27:56.410 --> 00:27:59.309 exist and they travel back and forth from heaven to earth. 444 00:27:59.750 --> 00:28:02.150 And if you want to, you can see them in 445 00:28:02.230 --> 00:28:04.829 transit and they'll come and say hello. So it almost 446 00:28:05.190 --> 00:28:08.460 reinforces my belief in the spirit realm and in God 447 00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:10.740 and of my core beliefs and stuff, you know. 448 00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:16.339 I do know. And if you read Ezekiel, let's talk 449 00:28:16.380 --> 00:28:21.329 about Ezekiel's will. What the heck were they saying? The 450 00:28:21.369 --> 00:28:22.329 book of Enoch. 451 00:28:22.529 --> 00:28:22.849 Yes. 452 00:28:23.009 --> 00:28:24.750 It was taken out of the Bible. 453 00:28:24.930 --> 00:28:25.309 Why? 454 00:28:25.630 --> 00:28:30.769 You know, I get lots of religious folks in and 455 00:28:30.890 --> 00:28:36.539 we sit and discuss this stuff. But I'm not there 456 00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:41.109 to change anybody's belief or anybody's mind. I'm there to 457 00:28:41.150 --> 00:28:43.990 listen and if I can help, to help. 458 00:28:45.130 --> 00:28:46.170 You mind taking a phone call? 459 00:28:47.910 --> 00:28:48.450 Not at all. 460 00:28:48.869 --> 00:28:51.509 Okay, so phone lines are open. If anybody has a 461 00:28:51.750 --> 00:28:54.470 question for Judy or myself, you guys can call in. 462 00:28:55.180 -->

00:28:58.599 We do have a caller here from Northwest Arkansas. 463 00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:01.599 Hello, caller, you're on the air. 464 00:29:01.700 --> 00:29:01.859 Okay. 465 00:29:10.529 --> 00:29:21.730 Hold on i'm gonna have to mute you for a 466 00:29:21.769 --> 00:29:25.329 second uh turn your audio down on the computer because 467 00:29:25.410 --> 00:29:27.910 it's feeding back and i'll bring you right back in 468 00:29:28.410 --> 00:29:30.769 just turn your audio down on the computer i'll bring 469 00:29:30.789 --> 00:29:33.470 you right back in and we'll try it again. 470 00:29:35.259 --> 00:29:36.880 Northwest Arkansas. What's up, brother? How you doing? 471 00:29:39.609 --> 00:29:43.059 Yeah, no, I'm fine, actually. 472 00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:45.079 All right, bro. You got a question? 473 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:52.880 Looking forward to the future. It's kind of hard. I've 474 00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:56.740 been a lot on your songs. We have been communicating 475 00:29:56.819 --> 00:30:02.089 a bit telepathically. Both with you and, you know, Janega 476 00:30:02.130 --> 00:30:02.730 the Baptist. 477 00:30:03.430 --> 00:30:03.710 Uh-huh. 478 00:30:08.009 --> 00:30:10.289 Yeah, yeah, we just did that interview a couple of 479 00:30:10.309 --> 00:30:13.059 days ago. We had him on the show. You called 480 00:30:13.099 --> 00:30:13.980 in during that show or no? 481 00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:24.160 No, but, you know, I'm jamming with you on your songs. 482 00:30:24.769 --> 00:30:25.309 Oh, that's what's up. 483 00:30:25.329 --> 00:30:27.470 And we have this telepathic vibe there. 484 00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:30.819 Thanks so much, man. Do you have a question for Judy? 485 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:35.980 No, but. 486 00:30:36.460 --> 00:30:38.259 Any UFO encounters or anything you'd. 487 00:30:38.180 --> 00:30:43.960 Like to say? Yeah, I could say that I'm not 488 00:30:44.059 --> 00:30:50.759 a normal human being myself. And I'm actually being held, 489 00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:54.500 trapped by the government, as we speak. But I'm just 490 00:30:54.579 --> 00:30:57.690 waiting for my DNT to reach her so I can.... 491 00:30:59.029 --> 00:31:03.309 Escape okay well hey man um give us a call 492 00:31:03.349 --> 00:31:05.769 back whenever uh Judy's off the air man we'll go 493 00:31:05.809 --> 00:31:09.130 into a little detail about that appreciate you calling man 494 00:31:10.529 --> 00:31:12.950 yeah a lot of people have had encounters a lot 495 00:31:12.970 --> 00:31:15.700 of people have had experiences um some people are scared 496 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:18.359 to talk about them I do think that's the reason 497 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:20.960 why I do this show in general we cover a 498 00:31:21.140 --> 00:31:25.400 lot of UFO topics here but um spiritual topics that 499 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:28.990 people have nobody to talk to so there is a 500 00:31:29.029 --> 00:31:31.809 show here. There is people who make themselves available to 501 00:31:31.890 --> 00:31:34.430 answer questions and just let people feel like they're, they're 502 00:31:34.470 --> 00:31:38.170 not alone. It's like you were talking about, um, people 503 00:31:38.210 --> 00:31:40.210 think you're on drugs. I know how many times I've 504 00:31:40.250 --> 00:31:43.980 heard that where I was doing podcast from, uh, and 505 00:31:44.019 --> 00:31:46.380 I was still involved in a lot of religious circles 506 00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:48.880 and I would go around these people or go to 507 00:31:48.940 --> 00:31:52.819 meetings and they would say what you said. I want 508 00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:55.019 to know what you're smoking. What were you on? I 509 00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:58.099 want what you have. And it's like, nothing like i'm 510 00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:00.779 being quite honest you know and you can you don't 511 00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:03.420 have to have anything and that was one thing that 512 00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:05.480 when we would go out and i would have my 513 00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:07.289 own encounters and i would try to take groups of 514 00:32:07.329 --> 00:32:10.250 people out who were intrigued to want to go out 515 00:32:10.450 --> 00:32:12.650 and that's one thing i told them was like you 516 00:32:12.670 --> 00:32:14.230 know they want to drink beer they want to smoke 517 00:32:14.250 --> 00:32:16.289 herb or whatever i'm saying okay you guys can do 518 00:32:16.309 --> 00:32:19.390 that but not out here let's don't give any room 519 00:32:19.430 --> 00:32:22.730 for that because people say y'all were drinking and smoking 520 00:32:22.789 --> 00:32:24.349 and doing drugs and we don't we want to make 521 00:32:24.410 --> 00:32:27.970 sure this is real you know um What are some 522 00:32:28.009 --> 00:32:32.240 of the expressions on people's face when they see this 523 00:32:32.259 --> 00:32:34.680 stuff for the first time? Are people just having their 524 00:32:34.700 --> 00:32:36.779 whole lives changed when they have these encounters? 525 00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:44.940 I think so. It certainly gives them something else to 526 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:48.289 think about besides all the troubles of the world, you know? But... 527 00:32:52.500 --> 00:32:55.099 They can't get over what they've seen. And then they 528 00:32:55.140 --> 00:32:59.359 try to rationalize what it was and which I did 529 00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:04.049 the same thing. But there was no rationalization, you know, 530 00:33:04.309 --> 00:33:11.009 no excuse for it. So once it gets through their 531 00:33:11.089 --> 00:33:16.150 mind that possibly there is something else out there besides 532 00:33:16.349 --> 00:33:20.859 just us. And I'm certain that there is something out 533 00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:22.490 there besides just us. 534 00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:28.339 Have you ever seen any activity with the constellations? Because 535 00:33:28.380 --> 00:33:31.299 I'm sure you guys have a great view. Is there any, 536 00:33:31.339 -->

00:33:33.349 because I mean I've heard people say that they see 537 00:33:33.380 --> 00:33:37.630 them traveling like the Big Dipper, like these beings or 538 00:33:37.690 --> 00:33:41.670 UFOs will travel and almost outline them. Or they'll, I've 539 00:33:41.730 --> 00:33:45.529 seen them go into star systems and disappear. A lot 540 00:33:45.569 --> 00:33:49.490 of activity with Orion. Are you guys noticing anything with 541 00:33:49.849 --> 00:33:51.170 the constellations? 542 00:33:52.930 --> 00:33:59.420 Like they're doing a dot to dot, you know. But anyway, 543 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:03.519 I had a guy call me one night and he said, Judy, 544 00:34:04.180 --> 00:34:06.880 are you watching the triangular one up by the moon? 545 00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.659 And I said, what triangular one up by the moon? 546 00:34:10.409 --> 00:34:12.989 And he says, we've been watching it for three nights. 547 00:34:13.630 --> 00:34:18.340 Get outside with your binoculars and look. I didn't need binoculars. 548 00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:23.409 I mean, it was sitting right there. Sat there for 549 00:34:23.469 --> 00:34:27.090 two more nights and then it just vanished. But yeah, 550 00:34:27.869 --> 00:34:32.750 you know, we have seen some really strange stuff. And again, 551 00:34:32.889 --> 00:34:37.460 with the constellations, you can see these objects moving in 552 00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:43.199 and out and in and out. Somebody tell me, somebody 553 00:34:44.219 --> 00:34:48.480 show me proof. that they aren't there because I'm certain 554 00:34:48.659 --> 00:34:49.059 they are. 555 00:34:49.219 --> 00:34:52.940 Yeah, something's going on, like you said. And that's what 556 00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:55.559 gets me. So you always try to rationalize it, like 557 00:34:55.579 --> 00:34:58.559 you said. You're trying to make sense of everything. Okay, 558 00:34:58.579 --> 00:35:00.380 so let's say it's the government. Let's just say it's 559 00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:04.840 the government testing out this new equipment or interstellar travel 560 00:35:04.860 --> 00:35:12.710 or something. You're just seeing back-engineered craft. It takes another 561 00:35:12.769 --> 00:35:18.369 turn when I bring up the telepathic communication that they're 562 00:35:18.429 --> 00:35:21.989 communicating right and that just throws a whole wrench into 563 00:35:22.030 --> 00:35:24.449 that for me or or a satellite i don't think 564 00:35:24.630 --> 00:35:28.699 a satellite is going to um communicate a thought or 565 00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:32.679 an idea or an awe of creativity or a spark 566 00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:35.579 this interest in you um what are some of the 567 00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:38.269 stuff that that you've seen is there a message there 568 00:35:38.369 --> 00:35:41.900 is there like a impression it's almost like They want 569 00:35:41.940 --> 00:35:44.780 us to return to the arts, to be creative, to 570 00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:49.199 enjoy life, to love one another. These are the messages 571 00:35:49.260 --> 00:35:52.190 that we receive when we see these crafts and stuff. 572 00:35:52.230 --> 00:35:54.090 Are you picking up on stuff like that? I don't 573 00:35:54.110 --> 00:35:56.449 know if it's a voice or just an inward knowing 574 00:35:56.849 --> 00:35:58.670 that you get from seeing these ships. 575 00:36:00.389 --> 00:36:04.889 Yeah, I'm certain they're trying to get us to love 576 00:36:05.010 --> 00:36:09.369 one another and spread love and peace throughout the world. 577 00:36:10.489 --> 00:36:15.530 And if we can get some of this horrible stuff 578 00:36:15.590 --> 00:36:21.510 out of our society, you know, everybody should open their hearts. 579 00:36:22.710 --> 00:36:26.389 They should have respect for other people. They should have 580 00:36:26.469 --> 00:36:31.889 respect for themselves. But they need to get the violence 581 00:36:32.750 --> 00:36:38.530 out of society. And once that happens, then maybe, just maybe, 582 00:36:38.670 --> 00:36:40.010 we'll get to have contact. 583 00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:45.480 I don't think everybody's waiting for government disclosure. There's people 584 00:36:45.539 --> 00:36:48.940 who have rallies and meetings that want the government to 585 00:36:49.099 --> 00:36:53.679 admit to what's going on. I personally think that disclosure 586 00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:57.119 is going to happen through the people, people like ourselves 587 00:36:57.139 --> 00:37:01.139 who are making contact, who are having visitations. And it 588 00:37:01.179 --> 00:37:04.489 starts there and it just progresses. But what do you 589 00:37:04.510 --> 00:37:07.469 think about the government actually coming out, making a statement 590 00:37:07.510 --> 00:37:09.570 about it? Do you think that that will ever happen 591 00:37:09.650 --> 00:37:10.449 or anytime soon? 592 00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:16.940 Well, I just don't know. I said, I hope it 593 00:37:16.980 --> 00:37:20.960 happens in my lifetime, but may not. You know, it's 594 00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:25.539 like Hillary Clinton said, you elect me on opening the 595 00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:31.820 UFO file. Obama says, before I leave office, I'm opening 596 00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:36.469 the UFO file. Well, that still hasn't been done. You know, 597 00:37:37.090 --> 00:37:43.369 the prime minister of Canada, he publicly said, The United 598 00:37:43.389 --> 00:37:49.000 States has been working with extraterrestrials for eons. Why can't 599 00:37:49.059 --> 00:37:52.179 they tell us that they're working with them, you know? 600 00:37:52.860 --> 00:37:54.659 Are you familiar with Sylvia Brown? 601 00:37:55.059 --> 00:37:56.429 Yes. Oh, yes, yes, yes. 602 00:37:57.929 --> 00:38:00.710 Well, she wrote a book called The Secrets and Mysteries 603 00:38:00.809 --> 00:38:05.409 of the World. In there, she talks about extraterrestrials, and 604 00:38:05.489 --> 00:38:08.300 she says that they look just like us, and they're 605 00:38:08.429 -->

00:38:14.000 already walking amongst us. And maybe they're already here trying 606 00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:19.039 to get things settled. But will it happen? I'm ready 607 00:38:19.099 --> 00:38:23.739 for it to happen. I had a young man in, 608 00:38:24.260 --> 00:38:28.929 and he said that his grandfather was the chief investigator 609 00:38:29.010 --> 00:38:33.789 for Project Blue Book. Have you ever seen Project Blue Book? 610 00:38:35.130 --> 00:38:38.800 I've seen documentaries on it, and yeah, I'm pretty.... 611 00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:44.340 But where they've got all of this dialogue going on 612 00:38:44.420 --> 00:38:48.980 in there, they have blacked out sentence after sentence after sentence. 613 00:38:50.059 --> 00:38:54.619 So you really didn't get anything out of it. But 614 00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:58.880 he said his grandfather could not discuss what was going 615 00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:02.130 on with that. And he said his grandfather was on 616 00:39:02.179 --> 00:39:06.420 his dying bed and said to him, you believe it. 617 00:39:06.809 --> 00:39:12.340 It's real. So... That's what happens with a lot of 618 00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:16.010 these people. They won't say anything until they're about ready 619 00:39:16.070 --> 00:39:19.469 to die, you know. But the government has such a 620 00:39:19.550 --> 00:39:25.650 control on them. Yeah. I had a group come and 621 00:39:25.670 --> 00:39:28.650 visit me from the Navy. This has been a year ago. 622 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:36.860 And Strategic Studies Group is what it was called. And 623 00:39:36.940 --> 00:39:40.969 there was, I think, seven of them who came. They 624 00:39:41.050 --> 00:39:44.469 told me that I couldn't video and I couldn't take pictures. 625 00:39:45.190 --> 00:39:47.789 And they wouldn't either. But I think the one, I 626 00:39:48.130 --> 00:39:51.280 think he had a camera in his sunglasses. But anyway, 627 00:39:51.300 --> 00:39:59.340 the commander of the Coast Guard whipped out his cell 628 00:39:59.380 --> 00:40:04.099 phone and he showed me a picture of a UFO 629 00:40:04.179 --> 00:40:08.400 coming out of the ocean. I have heard that story 630 00:40:08.500 --> 00:40:11.900 from others who have visited the tower so many times. 631 00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:17.429 And so... You know, they all know something that we 632 00:40:17.570 --> 00:40:21.730 just don't know. And I'm ready for them to be 633 00:40:21.829 --> 00:40:24.380 on the up and up and let the American public 634 00:40:24.489 --> 00:40:28.280 know what the devil is going on. People say, well, 635 00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:32.280 what you're seeing is drones. They didn't have drones 17 636 00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:40.099 years ago, you know. They say it's hot air balloons. Baloney, 637 00:40:40.179 --> 00:40:43.849 I've seen a hot air balloon. I just, I want 638 00:40:43.869 --> 00:40:46.670 to know for a fact what the heck it is. 639 00:40:47.570 --> 00:40:50.099 I want to know. I had a guy in and 640 00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:54.539 he was an air traffic controller. And he said that 641 00:40:54.579 --> 00:40:58.360 he gets six to eight UFO reports a month from 642 00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:02.329 the pilot. And he said he's not permitted to document them. 643 00:41:02.769 --> 00:41:02.989 Why? 644 00:41:04.130 --> 00:41:07.730 You know, why not? So, anyway. 645 00:41:08.170 --> 00:41:12.289 Yeah, I mean, that's the thing too, like, Here's the 646 00:41:12.309 --> 00:41:15.090 whole thing, even with NASA, with the Hubble, like you 647 00:41:15.139 --> 00:41:20.059 could see some awesome pictures of stars and solar systems 648 00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:23.219 and things with the Hubble. And if we're going out 649 00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:27.050 and we're seeing things with the naked eye, like you said, 650 00:41:27.090 --> 00:41:30.489 without binoculars, and then you use binoculars, you can see 651 00:41:30.550 --> 00:41:34.190 so much more. And then people are using night vision goggles, 652 00:41:34.889 --> 00:41:38.300 military grade, and they're seeing so much stuff flying around 653 00:41:38.380 --> 00:41:41.559 outside of the atmosphere and doing all types of aerial 654 00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:45.980 phenomena but nasa has never picked up anything on the 655 00:41:46.019 --> 00:41:48.639 hubble this is how you know something's going on that 656 00:41:48.659 --> 00:41:51.550 they're not releasing this stuff you can go out and 657 00:41:51.630 --> 00:41:54.909 have your own encounters with the naked eye but nasa's 658 00:41:54.949 --> 00:41:58.449 like we don't know maybe you know they won't say 659 00:41:58.510 --> 00:42:01.280 anything that's that's how i know something's up we can 660 00:42:01.300 --> 00:42:03.460 go out there right now if we wanted to and 661 00:42:03.500 --> 00:42:06.239 take the time even during the day that's when it 662 00:42:06.260 --> 00:42:08.360 gets real right when you have the night the night 663 00:42:09.110 --> 00:42:13.070 vision the night encounters and then they start happening during 664 00:42:13.110 --> 00:42:15.429 the day so it's not just lights it is the 665 00:42:15.449 --> 00:42:18.230 cigar shaped ones and the orbs and things that are 666 00:42:18.329 --> 00:42:23.239 showing up so but I encourage people if they're intrigued 667 00:42:23.260 --> 00:42:24.960 just to go out there and do it for themselves 668 00:42:25.019 --> 00:42:28.000 if they want to know you can know you know 669 00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:29.800 I think that exists for everybody. 670 00:42:29.420 --> 00:42:35.559 I think the Vatican has from what I understand this 671 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:41.219 really high powered telescope And it's supposed to be one 672 00:42:41.260 --> 00:42:43.440 of the best in the world, from what I have heard. 673 00:42:44.739 --> 00:42:49.179 But they finally came out. The Pope came out and said, 674 00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:51.909 it's okay to believe in aliens. 675 00:42:52.010 --> 00:42:53.110 Yeah, I remember

that, yeah. 676 00:42:54.469 --> 00:42:58.269 Here he wanted to baptize them. And I said, well, 677 00:42:58.369 --> 00:43:00.949 I'm game. Can you get them to come on down 678 00:43:01.030 --> 00:43:02.730 so we can baptize? 679 00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:06.989 Yeah, it was awesome. I remember that was in a 680 00:43:07.130 --> 00:43:10.489 lot of news sources, and the UFO community ate that 681 00:43:10.590 --> 00:43:13.130 up when he came out several years back and was 682 00:43:13.150 --> 00:43:16.750 talking about UFOs and it doesn't go against our beliefs 683 00:43:17.050 --> 00:43:21.650 or whatever, and they may need to be redeemed and 684 00:43:21.690 --> 00:43:24.260 stuff as well and share the gospel with the aliens 685 00:43:24.340 --> 00:43:29.219 and stuff. It's pretty funny. But somebody knows what's going on, 686 00:43:29.659 --> 00:43:31.380 and like I said, I don't think they're going to 687 00:43:31.420 --> 00:43:33.780 tell us, so I think it's up for us. to 688 00:43:33.820 --> 00:43:36.559 do the research and to share our stories on shows 689 00:43:36.659 --> 00:43:39.360 just like this one. And everybody has a piece of 690 00:43:39.380 --> 00:43:41.519 the puzzle and to kind of bring it together and 691 00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:43.239 see what fits and see if we can make a 692 00:43:43.300 --> 00:43:45.809 picture out of it and, and try to find out 693 00:43:45.849 --> 00:43:48.610 what's going on. Um, and, and really, you know, I 694 00:43:49.050 --> 00:43:51.789 think how we can benefit our lives. And that's really 695 00:43:51.809 --> 00:43:55.030 what I'm concerned with. Like how can, you know, UFO 696 00:43:55.070 --> 00:43:58.179 contact help us out today, help me in my day 697 00:43:58.219 --> 00:44:03.909 to day. And I think that it, encourages spirituality, creativity, intrigue, awe, 698 00:44:03.989 --> 00:44:07.789 and wonder, and love, and all of these feelings and 699 00:44:07.809 --> 00:44:10.949 emotions that you get when you have a supernatural encounter 700 00:44:11.030 --> 00:44:14.909 is essentially what it is, and I love it, and 701 00:44:15.269 --> 00:44:19.480 I'm chasing, you know, those first encounters that I had, man, 702 00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.699 I'm doing work right now that is built off of 703 00:44:22.900 --> 00:44:26.940 encounters from 2012, you know, and I'm still talking about 704 00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:30.889 them and doing research and things like that, and uh, 705 00:44:30.949 --> 00:44:32.840 essentially trying to take it, take it a little bit further. Um, 706 00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:35.880 as we come upon the end of the show, talk 707 00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:39.920 a little bit about funding and how people can help 708 00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:43.159 you guys build, how you got help keep you guys 709 00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:46.420 in business and what you offer and everything that's there. 710 00:44:46.460 --> 00:44:48.400 Like how, how are you guys able to stay afloat 711 00:44:48.739 --> 00:44:50.960 and continue building what you guys have? Cause it's a 712 00:44:51.019 --> 00:44:54.059 really beautiful facility. Everybody definitely needs to go to the 713 00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:58.329 website as well. That's ufo.com. Watchtower.com. I know she has 714 00:44:58.369 --> 00:45:00.969 a book as well, That Crazy Lady Down the Road. 715 00:45:01.329 --> 00:45:03.570 She has a book available and some other T-shirts and 716 00:45:03.610 --> 00:45:05.889 products and things like that. But talk a little bit 717 00:45:05.909 --> 00:45:08.489 about how people can get behind you guys and help 718 00:45:08.550 --> 00:45:09.769 and even come out and visit. 719 00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:17.239 We always take donations. And those can be sent to 720 00:45:17.340 --> 00:45:24.179 Post Office Box 522 Hooper, Colorado, 81136. But most of 721 00:45:24.219 --> 00:45:27.780 the funding comes from people who come to visit. I 722 00:45:27.860 --> 00:45:31.539 charge a nominal fee for them to come in and 723 00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:36.440 get the information, $ 2 a person or $ 5 a carload. 724 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:39.940 And then, of course, we have the gift shop, and 725 00:45:39.980 --> 00:45:44.079 that helps a whole lot. But it seems like the 726 00:45:44.179 --> 00:45:48.139 UFO Watchtower has finally come into its own the last 727 00:45:48.260 --> 00:45:52.050 couple of years, thanks to the media who have supported 728 00:45:52.690 --> 00:45:57.820 been really plugging it for us. And if anybody is 729 00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:00.579 really interested, they should go look at that Vice video. 730 00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:06.139 Vice did a marvelous job on that video. But come 731 00:46:06.260 --> 00:46:09.599 on down to the San Luis Valley in southern Colorado 732 00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:13.929 and see us. We're on the Cosmic Highway 17. 733 00:46:13.929 --> 00:46:16.969 I got some friends up that way. I'm definitely going 734 00:46:16.989 --> 00:46:20.699 to send them your way. The Vice documentary was awesome. 735 00:46:20.820 --> 00:46:26.539 They did it justice. Sometimes Vice can be divisive. Vice divisive. 736 00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:30.110 Sometimes they can be divisive of painting people to look 737 00:46:30.250 --> 00:46:33.250 silly or to look crazy or let's make fun of 738 00:46:33.289 --> 00:46:36.909 this person. But they really did justice to your story 739 00:46:37.210 --> 00:46:40.039 and promoted what you have going on. Like I said, 740 00:46:40.300 --> 00:46:43.639 to build the intrigue and the awe and the wonder. man, 741 00:46:43.659 --> 00:46:46.360 this is interesting. And there's a lot of other people 742 00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:49.420 on there as well with similar stories. And I got 743 00:46:49.460 --> 00:46:51.059 a friend of mine who Vice came out and did 744 00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:54.320 a documentary on them as well, Brandon Barthrop. And I 745 00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:58.420 had him on the show too. Really cool. And seeing 746

00:46:58.820 --> 00:47:01.659 how many followers he got and people checking out the 747 00:47:01.699 --> 00:47:05.320 work after they went live on Vice. Can you talk 748 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:07.559 a little bit about that experience? Who set that up 749 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:10.079 for you? Did they contact you or was there an 750 00:47:10.179 --> 00:47:12.239 email sent? How did that work out for you? And 751 00:47:12.260 --> 00:47:13.280 how was that whole experience? 752 00:47:15.030 --> 00:47:20.599 They contacted me, and anybody who wants to do an interview, 753 00:47:20.659 --> 00:47:22.599 that's what they have to do. I don't go out 754 00:47:22.619 --> 00:47:23.739 searching for them. 755 00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:24.239 Yes. 756 00:47:25.780 --> 00:47:32.289 This has brought so much interest. The media just eats 757 00:47:32.389 --> 00:47:35.570 it up. And so thanks to them, I don't have 758 00:47:35.610 --> 00:47:38.289 to do a lot of advertising. Now, another one that's 759 00:47:38.409 --> 00:47:40.250 a good one is Roadside America. 760 00:47:40.590 --> 00:47:41.159 I've seen that one, too. 761 00:47:41.170 --> 00:47:43.590 And we get lots of folks who have looked at 762 00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:48.980 Roadside America. And then, of course, the local TV stations 763 00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:54.000 here in Colorado. And they've all, they have not made 764 00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:56.199 fun of me at all. Now, at the beginning, when 765 00:47:56.239 --> 00:48:01.599 I first started this, the radio personalities just drove me nuts. 766 00:48:02.179 --> 00:48:04.820 And it was all fun, you know? 767 00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:06.000 Yeah. 768 00:48:06.019 --> 00:48:11.389 So, but that pretty much has gotten over. And now 769 00:48:11.449 --> 00:48:15.699 we have folks who are taking it serious. And I 770 00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:17.679 really appreciate it. Really do. 771 00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:20.500 Well, thanks for coming on and hanging out with me. 772 00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:22.480 We'll try to send some people your way. Definitely go 773 00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:24.550 there and purchase the book. And if you guys are 774 00:48:24.570 --> 00:48:28.250 looking for a retreat, a center, you want to make contact, uh, it's, 775 00:48:29.170 --> 00:48:31.489 it helps to get with people who are already making 776 00:48:31.550 --> 00:48:34.010 contact and they know what to do, the protocols and 777 00:48:34.030 --> 00:48:36.800 things like that. It's, you know, there's, there's a lot 778 00:48:36.820 --> 00:48:39.199 of serious work that goes into it. It is a 779 00:48:39.219 --> 00:48:41.960 lot of spiritual work. And, uh, And I've seen a 780 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:44.639 lot of documentaries where people go out to see a 781 00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:47.119 UFO and they get with different communities and different people. 782 00:48:47.619 --> 00:48:51.130 And they go out and they see UFOs, but they 783 00:48:51.170 --> 00:48:53.949 have a life-changing experience with the spiritual side of it 784 00:48:54.010 --> 00:48:56.309 and the work that goes into it. And I've read 785 00:48:56.329 --> 00:48:58.190 your work. I've read some of the people that you 786 00:48:58.230 --> 00:49:01.429 guys are involved with and seen footage and videos of 787 00:49:01.469 --> 00:49:03.440 you guys doing the spiritual work and the prayer and 788 00:49:03.460 --> 00:49:05.460 the meditation and stuff like that in the garden that 789 00:49:05.500 --> 00:49:07.789 you guys have. And it's just so beautiful. Keep up 790 00:49:07.809 --> 00:49:09.710 the positive work and the energy. And thanks so much 791 00:49:09.750 --> 00:49:11.369 for coming on to hang out with me. I appreciate it. 792 00:49:12.940 --> 00:49:14.739 Thank you so much, Derek. All right. 793 00:49:14.780 --> 00:49:17.190 Thank you, Judy. Bye-bye. 794 00:49:17.329 --> 00:49:17.670 Bye-bye. 795 00:49:20.710 --> 00:49:26.159 Julie, Judy Messerlein, ladies and gentlemen. Got it right. Yeah. 796 00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:28.780 Make sure you guys go check out her work. If 797 00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:32.400 you guys are this far into the interview, you're still listening. 798 00:49:32.780 --> 00:49:34.880 There's got to be some type of intrigue there, right? 799 00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:37.719 I think I did it justice as far as Using 800 00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:42.039 those words, that's what it was for me. The intrigue, 801 00:49:42.179 --> 00:49:46.059 the creativity, everything that you see coming from my way 802 00:49:46.099 --> 00:49:51.719 at this point was birthed from some really amazing supernatural 803 00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:56.679 encounters with UFOs. And just to kind of address a 804 00:49:56.739 --> 00:49:59.510 little bit the whole UFO community and stuff like that 805 00:49:59.619 --> 00:50:05.170 from the religious standpoint, man, I still catch a lot of... 806 00:50:06.329 --> 00:50:08.550 flack from my Christian friends. I have a lot of 807 00:50:08.989 --> 00:50:11.269 Christian friends who are still in the church or trying 808 00:50:11.309 --> 00:50:14.050 to be accepted by the church community and things like that. 809 00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:17.480 And they can't be themselves, right? I have friends who, 810 00:50:17.780 --> 00:50:20.900 who smoke marijuana, who drink almost on a nightly basis, 811 00:50:20.940 --> 00:50:24.500 but they would never let their Christian brothers and sisters 812 00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:27.780 catch them doing that ever. Like they know that they 813 00:50:27.980 --> 00:50:33.820 chopped their head right off. And so I really, um, love, uh, 814 00:50:34.590 --> 00:50:39.210 being myself and having, and other people who, uh, who 815 00:50:39.269 --> 00:50:42.510 are just comfortable in, in their own skin, like, uh, 816 00:50:42.710 --> 00:50:46.099 John Illuminati Congo, like the caller mentioned, we interviewed him 817 00:50:46.139 --> 00:50:48.139 last week and he's a, he's a beautiful brother, but 818

00:50:48.619 --> 00:50:53.000 to see somebody in being them, their authentic self and, uh, 819 00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:56.239 and it drives you to envy, man, to, to do 820 00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:59.150 what they love to do for a living and to 821 00:50:59.190 --> 00:51:02.340 pursue the passions that they have and be okay with it. Um, 822 00:51:02.949 --> 00:51:05.690 it says so much. And I want to, I preface 823 00:51:05.710 --> 00:51:08.449 that to say that some of my friends who are 824 00:51:08.530 --> 00:51:11.820 in the church realm who are into drugs or into 825 00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:14.739 alcohol and different things like that. And there's nothing, I'm 826 00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:17.500 not downing it. I'm downing it because they point the 827 00:51:17.539 --> 00:51:21.840 finger at me and say that, you know, I'm like, yeah, 828 00:51:21.860 --> 00:51:23.739 I like a lot of what True Seeker talks about, 829 00:51:23.780 --> 00:51:25.880 but the whole alien things, I don't get. I don't 830 00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:30.039 get the infatuation with aliens. Aliens could be demons. Aliens 831 00:51:30.099 --> 00:51:33.059 could be this. And so, I think we've done the research. 832 00:51:33.099 --> 00:51:38.969 I think we're pretty well versed in the scriptural references 833 00:51:39.050 --> 00:51:42.969 of supernatural encounters with angelic beings to know that they 834 00:51:43.010 --> 00:51:47.849 take many shapes and forms. And like I said earlier, aliens, 835 00:51:49.969 --> 00:51:52.260 I don't even like using that word. I use it 836 00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:54.360 in my art, but I don't even like using that 837 00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:57.719 word because they don't call themselves aliens. Like, hey, what's 838 00:51:57.739 --> 00:52:00.179 your name? Oh, we're the aliens. How are you? No, 839 00:52:00.340 --> 00:52:03.460 it doesn't work like that. not at all um whether 840 00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:06.900 they're from a certain star system which how do we 841 00:52:06.940 --> 00:52:10.059 know that the angels aren't from another star system i 842 00:52:10.099 --> 00:52:14.670 know that there's so much information over the years from 843 00:52:14.829 --> 00:52:19.389 other prophets and people having their own encounters gazing into 844 00:52:19.429 --> 00:52:22.730 the heavens and seeing things moving in and out of 845 00:52:24.150 --> 00:52:28.829 star systems orion i'm so intrigued with orion every time 846 00:52:28.869 --> 00:52:34.050 i'm stargaze um And then seeing craft or beings, there 847 00:52:34.289 --> 00:52:35.760 might not even be craft. I know a lot of 848 00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:40.579 times they're actual beings. And they're not nuts and bolts ships. 849 00:52:41.079 --> 00:52:44.300 These are beings. There's so much footage of these things 850 00:52:44.420 --> 00:52:50.480 morphing and changing shape in the air and in outer space. 851 00:52:50.539 --> 00:52:54.639 And some people have some really crazy footage, man. And 852 00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:57.119 it wouldn't even, it's like a ship that just morphs 853 00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:00.530 into another thing. or something. It's just crazy stuff. I 854 00:53:00.570 --> 00:53:02.929 don't even know. But I do know that the scriptures 855 00:53:02.989 --> 00:53:08.110 talk about the seraphim. And she mentioned the book of 856 00:53:08.190 --> 00:53:12.239 Enoch earlier. The book of Enoch talks about that the 857 00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:16.219 angels of the Most High are as a flame of fire. 858 00:53:16.260 --> 00:53:19.000 They're made out of the fire of God. The word 859 00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:24.349 seraphim itself is translated the fiery ones or the fiery serpents. 860 00:53:25.369 --> 00:53:28.219 In the book of Psalms, it says that The Lord 861 00:53:28.300 --> 00:53:32.679 maketh his ministering spirits, his warring angels, as a flame 862 00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:35.960 of fire. So that kind of reiterates what Enoch's talking about. 863 00:53:36.949 --> 00:53:41.269 And Hebrews repeats that, the book of Hebrews. So it 864 00:53:41.829 --> 00:53:45.949 talks about these fiery beings. Enoch talks about they have 865 00:53:46.050 --> 00:53:49.340 the ability at will when they're in heaven and they 866 00:53:49.380 --> 00:53:51.719 travel at the speed of light or faster than the 867 00:53:51.739 --> 00:53:56.170 speed of light. They look like fire. And as they will, 868 00:53:56.210 --> 00:53:58.690 they can come to earth and take upon the appearance 869 00:53:58.730 --> 00:54:03.789 of men. And Hebrews talks about, like she was talking 870 00:54:03.809 --> 00:54:07.980 about as well, looking like people. Hebrews says that we 871 00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:11.599 entertain angels unaware. We don't even know it. We're having 872 00:54:11.659 --> 00:54:16.340 interaction with angels. Messengers is what the word angel means. 873 00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:19.719 They come with a message, with a spirit, with a vibration, 874 00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:22.869 with a thought form. And all of this stuff is, 875 00:54:23.030 --> 00:54:25.210 is beautiful. And it's just different layers, man. We look 876 00:54:25.230 --> 00:54:27.860 at the different hierarchies of angels and we don't even 877 00:54:27.889 --> 00:54:31.000 talk about aliens. Just keep it angelic. Keep it biblical. 878 00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:33.159 If that's what you want to do, we can do that. 879 00:54:33.659 --> 00:54:35.420 And if we, but if we do that, then there's 880 00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:40.400 so much mystery and intrigue, but I think that they're interlocked. 881 00:54:40.460 --> 00:54:42.960 I think that we are able to go out and 882 00:54:43.099 --> 00:54:46.539 see angels traveling back and forth. It tells us that 883 00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:52.030 in the scriptures, it tells us that, um, I believe it's, um, Jeremiah, 884 00:54:52.050 --> 00:54:55.829 I want to say, that talks about the angels traveling 885 00:54:55.849 --> 00:55:00.300 back and forth. And it talks

about them answering prayers 886 00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:04.179 and carrying prayers and all types of roles that the 887 00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:07.820 angels do and they operate. And Enoch goes into a 888 00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:11.199 lot of detail about it. The book of Enoch is 889 00:55:11.300 --> 00:55:14.659 mentioned in the book of Jude in the Bible. And 890 00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:17.139 you guys have heard me say this before, but my 891 00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:21.119 intrigue is like, I'm a biblical theologian. I get into 892 00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:23.880 the scriptures. I've studied them for years. I know them 893 00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:26.380 in and out. And I don't know them like an expert. 894 00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:29.510 I have to quit studying them. Every time you read it, 895 00:55:29.530 --> 00:55:32.489 there's something new in those scriptures. And you get a 896 00:55:32.530 --> 00:55:36.630 deeper understanding. If you don't study the ET phenomena, if 897 00:55:36.650 --> 00:55:39.909 you don't study Enoch, you're not going to understand the Bible. 898 00:55:40.849 --> 00:55:44.510 You're not. The Bible isn't one book anyway. The Bible 899 00:55:44.659 --> 00:55:48.099 is many books and letters and writings that were collected 900 00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:53.179 and put together into Bible, Biblios, or the little book. 901 00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:58.510 So many books put together. Letters sent to churches and 902 00:55:58.530 --> 00:56:03.190 collected to put in a book. So there's other books 903 00:56:03.230 --> 00:56:05.710 that are mentioned in the Bible. And I'll need to 904 00:56:05.750 --> 00:56:07.849 do probably a show on this or just a teaching 905 00:56:07.889 --> 00:56:10.389 just to kind of give you guys the references. Because 906 00:56:10.409 --> 00:56:12.639 I have all the research. I have everything printed out 907 00:56:12.659 --> 00:56:14.769 and all the studying. This was early stuff for me, 908 00:56:15.489 --> 00:56:19.050 being able to do this. And so, to understand that 909 00:56:20.309 --> 00:56:22.989 the book of Shemaiah, the prophet, as mentioned of in 910 00:56:23.010 --> 00:56:25.699 the Bible, the book of Edu, the prophet, the book 911 00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:28.159 of the wars of the Israelites, the book of Jasher, 912 00:56:28.659 --> 00:56:31.159 the book of Enoch, all of these are quoted by 913 00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:34.679 prophets and quoted by sages. And I'm interested in what 914 00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:39.000 was in those books. The book of Giants, all kind 915 00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:41.260 of stuff. Mentioned of in the Bible. I can show 916 00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:43.280 you this stuff. I'll probably do a video on it. So, 917 00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:49.010 With all that being said, it gets deep. It gets deep, 918 00:56:49.070 --> 00:56:52.369 whether we're tracing it from a biblical perspective or not, 919 00:56:52.469 --> 00:56:56.489 if you even follow that narrative. But I know it's 920 00:56:56.530 --> 00:56:59.510 getting popular now. The book of Enoch is very popular now. 921 00:56:59.869 --> 00:57:01.909 I remember some years ago when we were getting into it, 922 00:57:01.929 --> 00:57:03.789 it was like, oh, stay away from that book. But 923 00:57:03.869 --> 00:57:08.340 now they teach it in many churches. I remember seeing 924 00:57:08.409 --> 00:57:10.500 several years back, and it was so awesome because I 925 00:57:10.579 --> 00:57:13.159 am a Benny Hinn fan. I do appreciate a lot 926 00:57:13.179 --> 00:57:17.739 of Benny Hinn, Benny Hinn's teachings about the Holy Spirit 927 00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:21.050 and spending intimacy with God and things like that. So, um, 928 00:57:21.659 --> 00:57:28.409 I remember watching an episode of, um, um, I don't 929 00:57:28.429 --> 00:57:30.110 know if it's this is your day, whatever the name 930 00:57:30.130 --> 00:57:34.010 of the TBN show is with Paul Crouch, who was 931 00:57:34.030 --> 00:57:36.289 like the founder of TBN. He had Benny Hinn and 932 00:57:36.309 --> 00:57:38.159 they were just having a conversation and they were talking 933 00:57:38.179 --> 00:57:40.800 about angels and talking about demons and stuff. And, uh, 934 00:57:41.199 --> 00:57:43.880 Benny Hinn began to go into the book of Enoch 935 00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:47.380 on his show. And he blew Paul Crouch's head off. 936 00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:52.019 Paul was like, Benny, I've been saved for 47 years 937 00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:54.780 and I've never heard this information. And Benny Hinn is like, yup, 938 00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:57.469 it's taken out of the Bible. He's like dropping knowledge 939 00:57:57.550 --> 00:58:00.269 on them and everybody's got their jaw dropped in the audience. 940 00:58:00.309 --> 00:58:02.510 And it's hilarious, man. But I was like, oh yeah, 941 00:58:02.650 --> 00:58:04.989 I got a kick out of that. He was blowing 942 00:58:05.010 --> 00:58:07.489 their head off with some of this deeper esoteric knowledge 943 00:58:07.510 --> 00:58:10.030 about the spirit realm. So if you're looking to study 944 00:58:11.090 --> 00:58:15.510 how spirits operate. If you're looking to study how to 945 00:58:15.550 --> 00:58:18.969 have power and authority over them, you got to go 946 00:58:18.989 --> 00:58:21.840 to Enoch. You have to. To understand the Bible, you 947 00:58:21.860 --> 00:58:25.860 got to understand Enoch. Can't leave it out. Because the 948 00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:30.579 early church understood it. The early church understood the Testament 949 00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:34.480 of Solomon and all of these apocryphal works. The Apocrypha, 950 00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:36.800 even that, was like 14 books that were taken out 951 00:58:36.820 --> 00:58:40.250 of the Bible that were used In the 1611 King 952 00:58:40.309 --> 00:58:44.349 James Version, like it literally was part of the King James, 953 00:58:44.369 --> 00:58:47.329 but then they took out 14 books. I've got the 954 00:58:47.329 -->

00:58:49.389 1611 Version as well with all of these books in it. 955 00:58:49.809 --> 00:58:53.210 Some beautiful stuff in there. Some debatable stuff. Some stuff 956 00:58:53.230 --> 00:58:55.170 that they can't rationalize. So they took it out and 957 00:58:55.190 --> 00:58:57.590 threw it out. But with that being said about the 958 00:58:57.710 --> 00:59:00.010 books that talk about these angels and talk about these 959 00:59:00.070 --> 00:59:05.099 heavenly encounters, there are some books out there that I 960 00:59:05.139 --> 00:59:08.789 believe were created to deceive people. whether we're talking about 961 00:59:08.809 --> 00:59:11.860 a lot of the Gnostic texts, we're talking about um 962 00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:14.440 even the urantia book like i want to believe the 963 00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:18.199 urantia book is real but my spirit turns when i 964 00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:21.000 read it's just so i could oh man i could 965 00:59:21.019 --> 00:59:23.760 feel the intention behind it and the wording they're trying 966 00:59:23.780 --> 00:59:25.920 to word it to sound like the bible this is 967 00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:30.139 insane anyway That's my spiel on the books. That's my 968 00:59:30.179 --> 00:59:35.289 spiel on Christianity and the UFO community and stuff like that. 969 00:59:35.889 --> 00:59:39.010 They say it's all demons. So I wouldn't even... I 970 00:59:39.030 --> 00:59:43.730 don't even entertain that stuff anymore. That's definitely... Just because 971 00:59:43.750 --> 00:59:47.389 you don't understand it, you demonize it, call it demonic. Nah, 972 00:59:47.860 --> 00:59:50.679 I can't deal with that no more. Maybe years ago 973 00:59:50.739 --> 00:59:56.320 we could have dealt with that. Not anymore. So... Anyway... 974 00:59:56.719 --> 00:59:59.239 I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. I love talking 975 00:59:59.260 --> 01:00:02.480 to interesting people, especially, I mean, this lady built a 976 01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:07.579 UFO watchtower on her property. It's this big platform, and 977 01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:10.760 they got this big dome, and creating a sanctuary, man. 978 01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:13.789 Like I said, I did that in my property. Went 979 01:00:13.829 --> 01:00:15.250 out there, and we had a bunch of people. We 980 01:00:15.429 --> 01:00:18.449 worked and cut down trees, and we had big trees 981 01:00:18.510 --> 01:00:20.590 in the way, and my father-in-law was out there with me. 982 01:00:20.690 --> 01:00:23.289 I was like, I want that tree gone. Oh, no, 983 01:00:23.289 --> 01:00:25.050 let's leave that one. I said, nope, cutting it down. 984 01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:27.920 Because you couldn't see. You cut the tree down and 985 01:00:27.940 --> 01:00:30.599 it would open up. I got this big circle in 986 01:00:30.619 --> 01:00:32.510 my backyard where I would just go out there and 987 01:00:32.530 --> 01:00:39.030 just stargaze and spend nights laying on sheets looking at 988 01:00:39.050 --> 01:00:41.329 the stars. And once the weather cools off again, I'm 989 01:00:41.349 --> 01:00:43.800 going to be doing that again very soon. I miss 990 01:00:43.820 --> 01:00:50.340 those times. Even this conversation with Judy, that intrigue and 991 01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:53.280 that want to get back out there and make contact again. 992 01:00:53.949 --> 01:00:56.289 And once you make contact and you know that something's 993 01:00:56.329 --> 01:00:59.190 going on, you start having these encounters, it shows you 994 01:00:59.250 --> 01:01:03.309 how focused you are on the things around you and 995 01:01:03.329 --> 01:01:05.610 the things of this world when all you had to 996 01:01:05.650 --> 01:01:09.030 do was look up to make contact. All you had 997 01:01:09.050 --> 01:01:11.309 to do was look up. And you could see this 998 01:01:11.349 --> 01:01:15.389 stuff during the day. I know it's dangerous for me, 999 01:01:15.650 --> 01:01:18.699 but when I was a truck driver, man, that's when 1000 01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:20.119 I would have a lot of encounters. I would pull 1001 01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:21.940 over on the side of the road and just gaze 1002 01:01:22.099 --> 01:01:25.039 for a while as well, early. hours of the morning, um, 1003 01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:28.639 and see stuff, but, um, I'd be driving, I'm looking 1004 01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:31.389 at traffic and then I'm looking up, I'm looking at 1005 01:01:31.429 --> 01:01:33.849 traffic and I'm looking up, you know, while I'm driving, 1006 01:01:33.889 --> 01:01:39.030 I'm traveling the country, you know? Um, so with that 1007 01:01:39.070 --> 01:01:41.269 being said, I mean, there's so many, even like, um, 1008 01:01:43.010 --> 01:01:46.570 entertainers and notable people who have had encounters who, who 1009 01:01:46.610 --> 01:01:49.699 like to talk about it. Um, Muhammad Ali had one 1010 01:01:49.739 --> 01:01:55.349 of the coolest, uh, um, quotes about ufos uh he 1011 01:01:55.409 --> 01:01:58.030 said that he would go out in the early morning 1012 01:01:58.090 --> 01:02:00.809 jogging you know four or five in the morning before 1013 01:02:00.849 --> 01:02:04.099 the sun comes up and he said you can see 1014 01:02:04.139 --> 01:02:09.659 them like they were playing tag in the morning sky 1015 01:02:10.739 --> 01:02:13.420 playing tag and you do see a lot of activity 1016 01:02:13.500 --> 01:02:15.760 right before the sun comes up you do see a 1017 01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:18.340 lot and you know there's some awesome quotes out there 1018 01:02:18.360 --> 01:02:23.940 people have seen some awesome stuff so um With that, 1019 01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:25.739 I'm going to say bless and shalom, man. Thanks for 1020 01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:28.059 hanging out with me. Love you guys. 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