Full Transcript for Rittenhouse Day 1: Jury Selection, Baldwin Lays Out Defense, FDNY Closed and Marine Expulsions Start

00:02:12.120 We're going to be spending the next two weeks or so covering this in depth. 00:02:12.121 --> 00:02:16.020 And so we got to make sure that we've got our framework in order. 00:02:16.349 --> 00:02:21.300 Then we're going to change gears in our second segment, we're going to be looking at Alec Baldwin over the weekend. 00:02:21.300 --> 00:02:26.430 He came out and gave this, I think it was spontaneous or was supposed to be spontaneous. 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:31.590 This little press conference, this a sort of, he was being chased around by some media. 00:02:31.591 --> 00:02:37.080 People pulled over on the side of the road, went out and had a conversation with these people who were following him. 00:02:37.469 --> 00:02:50.250 And so even though it was about a three minute conversation, we do have a transcript and we can go through it and see what he was talking about here and see if we can glean out from this, any of his defenses, of course, as they pertain to the rust shooting. 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:51.569 So we're going to talk about that. 00:02:51.750 --> 00:03:00.520 And then in our third segment, we are right up against the clock on some hard deadlines for vaccine mandates that are being imposed all across the country. 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:08.770 And so we're going to check in on those out of New York city, F D N Y the, that they've closed like 26 firehouses in New York city. 00:03:08.770 --> 00:03:13.509 So 26 fire departments closed because of a self-imposed mandate. 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:15.340 We'll check in with them. 00:03:15.341 --> 00:03:18.520 We'll check in with the U S prisons that are facing staffing shortages. 00:03:18.669 --> 00:03:23.409 We're going to check in with Los Angeles county saying that their sheriffs are going to be gone with the wind. 00:03:23.590 --> 00:03:33.759 And then of course, we're going to take our, our eyes over to the Marine Corps, because they're about to boot out a bunch of Marines if they don't bend the knee, like is expected in this administration. 00:03:33.969 --> 00:03:41.919 And so if you want to be a part of the show, the place to do that is over@watchingthewatchersdotlocals.com. 00:03:42.460 --> 00:03:49.750 And somebody was just sending me a message about the form saying that the form doesn't match the topics. 00:03:49.751 --> 00:03:58.210 Let's see that let's let's, let's do a quick correction check on this, make sure that we're okay on the form so that the topics match. 00:03:58.211 --> 00:04:02.349 I can't tell you to use the form if the topics don't match, but I think they do. 00:04:02.350 --> 00:04:03.520 I thought I updated the form. 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:04.509 All right. 00:04:04.510 --> 00:04:12.069 So the forum looks like this Rittenhouse jury selection, Baldwin public statement, and the New York fire department in the Marines exited. 00:04:12.090 --> 00:04:13.419 That's the form to use. 00:04:13.420 --> 00:04:18.430 If you are over@watchingthewatchersdotlocals.com, if

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was an expert witness that the defense proffered forward we'll probably see him in the trial when the defense presents their case, but we're not real sure yet on the left, we've got Thomas binger. 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:20.329 He's the prosecutor. 00:06:20.331 --> 00:06:22.129 You can see him in this beautiful photograph. 00:06:22.250 --> 00:06:24.439 He is joined by his assistant prosecutor. 00:06:24.440 --> 00:06:32.899 James Crouse also goes by Jim, very nice guy, Jim Jim gage, CRO scoots is also the assailant or the victim, right? 00:06:32.901 --> 00:06:36.529 So this is one of the victims he is still alive. 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:43.009 And so, uh, he's I put him up top here near the prosecutors, because he's going to be sort of, you know, communicating with them. 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:47.509 He's sort of the, uh, the only, uh, you know, living victim who was shot. 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:54.199 So then beneath him, we've got Anthony Huber who is deceased, who was the escape order over here? 00:06:54.201 --> 00:06:57.170 I have a different photograph of him as we progress. 00:06:57.350 --> 00:06:58.910 And then we have Joseph Rosenbalm. 00:06:58.911 --> 00:07:05.089 Joseph Rosenbaum was sort of the first person who was shot in the altercation when Kyle was sort of a running away. 00:07:05.091 --> 00:07:10.910 In my opinion, other people might say that he was provoking the, the running before he turned around and shot Rosenbaum. 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:14.060 We also have Richard McGuinness could not find a good photograph of him. 00:07:14.060 --> 00:07:16.310 So I didn't want to use, uh, an incorrect photo. 00:07:16.459 --> 00:07:19.459 Richard McGuinness was one of the reporters who had a conversation with Kyle. 00:07:19.610 --> 00:07:25.399 We have unknown person, don't have an identity on this person, but he is in the charges as we're going to see. 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:26.360 And then we've got Mr. 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:26.990 Robert Willis. 00:07:26.990 --> 00:07:30.170 We heard from him earlier, don't think he's going to be relevant. 00:07:30.170 --> 00:07:33.529 His picture is probably going away soon, but he was part of the prosecution. 00:07:33.740 --> 00:07:38.899 That was an expert witness that they were going to, to, uh, potentially bring forward. 00:07:39.139 --> 00:07:40.610 And so we've got some new additions here. 00:07:40.610 --> 00:07:43.279 We added Richard McGuinness, we added the unknown person. 00:07:43.281 --> 00:07:46.610 We added, uh, the jurors down here at the bottom. 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:52.339 And so we are going to be looking at 20 jurors, as you can see, this is something that the judge has indicated. 00:07:52.579 --> 00:07:53.899 And so we'll go through this, right? 00:07:53.901 --> 00:07:56.480 We're going to be injury selection today and tomorrow. 00:07:56.750 --> 00:07:59.990 Uh, and, and he, he said he wanted to get it done in one day. 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:06.439 We'll see if he gets it done tomorrow,

but it may bleed into a third day because this is a case that every single person has heard about. 00:08:06.889 --> 00:08:15.589 He actually had a line of questioning today when he was talking to the jurors, uh, judge Schrader said, anybody here, how about, rather than have you heard about the case? 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:18.290 Anybody here not heard of it? 00:08:18.500 --> 00:08:19.069 No hands. 00:08:20.029 --> 00:08:20.240 Right. 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:21.620 So everybody knew what was going on. 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:23.240 Let's take a quick look at the charges. 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:24.709 This is from the court's docket. 00:08:24.711 --> 00:08:29.420 I pulled this today wanting to make sure we had the correct charges in order. 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:32.779 And you can see here, they actually did jockey around a little bit. 00:08:32.780 --> 00:08:36.019 They, they moved some of the charges around it doesn't matter here. 00:08:36.019 --> 00:08:45.409 What we're looking at first degree, reckless homicide endangerment, a reckless endangerment, reckless endangerment, intentional homicide attempted intentional homicide, and then possession of a dangerous weapon. 00:08:45.649 --> 00:08:50.240 This is all the sort of the complicated statutes, modifiers, all of that. 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:56.669 Here's really what we're looking at when you break it down, uh, to the, to the nuts and bolts, first degree homicide, right? 00:08:56.671 --> 00:08:58.049 This was reckless homicide. 00:08:58.051 --> 00:08:59.519 This is for Joseph Rosenbaum. 00:08:59.520 --> 00:09:05.129 And so each charge connects to one particular victim, as we're going to see, then we have reckless endangerment. 00:09:05.370 --> 00:09:07.019 That was Richard McGinnis. 00:09:07.020 --> 00:09:07.860 That was the reporter. 00:09:07.870 --> 00:09:15.840 The reporter was not shot or killed, but he was, uh, he was really behind Rosenbalm when Kyle shot Rosenbalm. 00:09:15.841 --> 00:09:24.029 And so, you know, some of the bullets, presumably sort of whizzed past Richard McGuinness, which is what prompted the reckless endangerment charge. 00:09:24.030 --> 00:09:25.320 It was, he was endangered. 00:09:25.500 --> 00:09:27.299 Kyle Rittenhouse, allegedly was reckless. 00:09:27.509 --> 00:09:29.250 That's what justifies that charge. 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:33.690 There was another unknown person who was also presumably sort of in the line of fire. 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:36.720 And so also a reckless endangerment for that individual. 00:09:36.929 --> 00:09:39.269 Then we have intentional homicide, right? 00:09:39.270 --> 00:09:42.990 And this is, we have reckless homicide and we have intentional homicide. 00:09:43.169 --> 00:09:51.360 Now this was after the fact, this is when Anthony Huber, this was also the skateboarder that we saw here in this photograph who was sort of swinging the skateboard. 00:09:52.019 --> 00:09:53.429 This is his separate photograph. 00:09:54.120 --> 00:10:01.110 And you

can see intentional homicide is count four saying that Rittenhouse intentionally shot and killed him, which he did. 00:10:01.110 --> 00:10:01.379 Right. 00:10:01.529 --> 00:10:03.299 He actually did shoot and kill him. 00:10:03.509 --> 00:10:07.350 But the allegation here, or the defense is self defense. 00:10:07.350 --> 00:10:08.279 That this was, yeah. 00:10:08.309 --> 00:10:13.830 I mean, he, he did intend to take a gun and shoot and pointed and pull the trigger, but it was a justified killing. 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:15.450 It was justified shooting. 00:10:15.690 --> 00:10:19.559 So then we have count five, attempted intentional homicide gauge gross. 00:10:19.561 --> 00:10:22.889 Kreutz the other, uh, this is, this is inaccurate. 00:10:22.890 --> 00:10:23.639 This is not to see. 00:10:23.640 --> 00:10:24.389 So I'll fix that. 00:10:24.539 --> 00:10:25.559 He is still alive. 00:10:25.710 --> 00:10:32.519 He is, uh, actually he got shot in the elbow, essentially, a lot of damage to his arm, but he is still alive and then count six possession of a weapon. 00:10:32.520 --> 00:10:35.250 So we're going to be paying most attention to these charges. 00:10:35.250 --> 00:10:40.860 There was a seventh count, something for, uh, you know, disobeying a curfew violation. 00:10:40.860 --> 00:10:46.860 There was some sort of public order law that was in place that technically they charged him with, but it's not real. 00:10:46.899 --> 00:10:50.730 I mean, it's not really relevant if I can be so Frank. 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:51.269 Okay. 00:10:51.270 --> 00:10:59.009 So let's get into the actual clips now that we have our bearings straight, our backbone not going to do this every day, just wanted to get our bearings straight about where this is all starting. 00:10:59.220 --> 00:11:01.529 And then we're going to dive in on this. 00:11:01.530 --> 00:11:08.190 When we get expert witnesses or additional witnesses or whomever is going to be testifying, we're going to bring them in, add them to the board, make sure that we categorize them. 00:11:08.490 --> 00:11:18.179 And we're also going to do the same thing with the jurors, at least as far as we can, given the information that is provided to us, which is going to be a little bit different here on this channel. 00:11:18.181 --> 00:11:20.070 We spent a lot of time on the Derek Shovan case. 00:11:20.309 --> 00:11:25.740 And if you recall, we had a lot of information about those jurors because they had individualized avoid deer. 00:11:25.740 --> 00:11:27.899 They got questioned individually one by one. 00:11:28.230 --> 00:11:34.230 And so we're going to get less information in this trial because presumably we're not going to be doing that well, we'll see, we'll see where this goes. 00:11:34.379 --> 00:11:37.289 But the point here is we're going to break this down bit by bit. 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:40.409 We're going to start off by getting our bearings straight from the judge. 00:11:40.410 --> 00:11:47.070 This is judge Schrader, who was in court today, laying out what the next two weeks are going to look like here he is. 00:11:47.779 --> 00:11:53.740 And, but you'll, you should count on being in this building in the jury room for the, uh, for the duration, the trial. 00:11:54.730 --> 00:11:56.500 Um, so that's number one. 00:11:56.500 --> 00:11:58.690 And number two is the duration of the trial. 00:11:59.740 --> 00:12:24.940 Uh, there is a I'm going to place this ad well under one in 100, uh, less than a 1% chance that for some reason I would re I would order during the trial that you would be, uh, sequestered, which would mean that you would, uh, be housed in a hotel at night, uh, in individual rooms. 00:12:25.990 --> 00:12:28.480 And you'd be provided with all of your meals all day long. 00:12:29.350 --> 00:12:32.950 You'd have limited access to television and internet and that type of thing. 00:12:32.951 --> 00:12:41.769 But, um, um, I, I have not done that since I was statutorily required to do so. 00:12:42.909 --> 00:12:51.429 Um, when I started in the system 50 years ago, on a case of this nature, the jury was required to be sequestered. 00:12:51.460 --> 00:12:56.740 So I'm familiar with the process and I know how onerous it is. 00:12:57.190 --> 00:13:03.279 And, uh, so I will resist it in every way I can't, but I can't rule it out entirely. 00:13:03.280 --> 00:13:05.440 I, as I say, I'm being very honest with you. 00:13:05.441 --> 00:13:13.870 When I tell you there is a, less than a 1% chance in my estimation that we would come to that, but I don't want to spring it on you suddenly. 00:13:14.889 --> 00:13:16.149 Um, and that's pretty painful. 00:13:17.019 --> 00:13:17.350 Okay. 00:13:17.350 --> 00:13:28.509 So jury sequestration one in a hundred, very small likelihood of that, but he does say length of the trial about two weeks, maybe two days plus or minus two days starts at 9:00 AM. 00:13:28.510 --> 00:13:31.000 If you listen to the whole spiel, he goes at right 9:00 AM. 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:36.970 We're going to go to lunch, going to have a lunch break, going to take a break in the morning, break in the afternoon, come on, back down in the afternoon. 00:13:36.971 --> 00:13:41.919 And we're going to get right all the way back to it until about four 30 or five every day for the next two weeks. 00:13:41.921 --> 00:13:49.690 And so he's sort of, you know, giving the jury a big discussion about how all this works, because for most people they've never sat on a jury before. 00:13:49.750 --> 00:13:50.919 This is the first time in court. 00:13:50.921 --> 00:13:52.059 They've never been charged with a crime. 00:13:52.061 --> 00:13:53.470 They don't know how any of this stuff works. 00:13:53.830 --> 00:13:59.259 And so it's, it's sort of a, an educating the jury about this big long road. 00:13:59.260 --> 00:14:01.539 You're about to be, uh, going down. 00:14:01.541 --> 00:14:07.360 So brace yourselves, he outlines for us that we're going to have 20

jurors. 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:09.009 And so a lot of people go 20 jurors. 00:14:09.010 --> 00:14:09.759 That's a lot of jurors. 00:14:09.760 --> 00:14:10.659 What are you talking about? 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:20.080 Uh, on, uh, on other juries, people are used to seeing, you know, eight or 12, uh, sort of a lower number where you've, uh, well, you don't have this many seats. 00:14:20.139 --> 00:14:23.019 And so he's going to explain why it is so big. 00:14:23.289 --> 00:14:25.600 And it is interesting, this sort of working in reverse. 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:25.870 So, right. 00:14:25.870 --> 00:14:28.179 This is a 20 person jury panel. 00:14:28.389 --> 00:14:31.029 Normally, you know, you're going to have a 12. 00:14:31.179 --> 00:14:39.100 So some states don't even have juries for lower level offenses, but maybe six plus one for a seven, you know, and it just sort of varies twenties, a very, very big number. 00:14:39.340 --> 00:14:45.970 And, um, what you can see from this judge is he explains how it works here. 00:14:46.029 --> 00:14:50.899 And so let's listen in, this is a judge Schroeder on void ear. 00:14:50.900 --> 00:14:51.320 Here is 00:14:53.960 --> 00:14:53.960 There. 00:14:53.970 --> 00:14:58.370 You're probably wondering, what's he talking about 20 jurors who ever heard of that? 00:15:00.769 --> 00:15:03.799 You hear on television sometimes they'll talk about alternate jurors. 00:15:04.370 --> 00:15:05.600 We don't have any audits. 00:15:05.629 --> 00:15:12.259 Everybody who was picked as a full fledged juror, the selection process takes place at the end. 00:15:13.100 --> 00:15:26.960 If, when we go to verdict, when we go to deliberation at the end of the trial, if there are more than 12 jurors, then we will strike off whatever number is necessary to get down to that number. 00:15:29.059 --> 00:15:31.039 So maybe it'll be eight. 00:15:31.700 --> 00:15:32.840 Maybe it'll be two. 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:34.070 We don't know yet. 00:15:34.100 --> 00:15:43.100 It depends on how many, if there's any family emergencies or illnesses that mean that we have to discharge a juror. 00:15:44.029 --> 00:15:44.389 Okay. 00:15:44.419 --> 00:15:46.850 So again, not super interesting, right? 00:15:46.850 --> 00:15:48.500 But it's the nuts and bolts of how this works. 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:50.120 So we're going to get to 20. 00:15:50.419 --> 00:15:55.070 Then we're going to go work our way back down to 12 when the time is comped, because something might happen, right? 00:15:55.071 --> 00:15:55.970 It's a two week trial. 00:15:56.120 --> 00:16:01.429 And so if you get 20 people on there, while somebody is going to get sick, it might be a COVID infection somewhere, right? 00:16:01.431 --> 00:16:02.659 Something might go wrong. 00:16:02.779 --> 00:16:07.639 You might have Maxine waters from California, come parachuting in there, you know, causing a bunch of ruckus. 00:16:07.789 --> 00:16:09.320 So you never know what can happen. 00:16:09.470 --> 00:16:12.830 And so they're going to get a full 20, they only need 12. 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:22.039 So they're going to work their way back down now in a previous, in previous coverage on this channel, when we talked about Derek Shovan, we put together a table that looks something like this. 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:26.480 You may remember that we had the different emoji, symbolizing, all the different jurors. 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:31.039 We had the race, the sexy age, the profession, you know, we took various notes about all of them. 00:16:31.580 --> 00:16:43.519 And we didn't get any detail about any of that today, because the way that this process worked for voice deer, which is the questioning of the jurors, what happened was they, they, they, they, they did it a little bit differently than Shovan. 00:16:43.520 --> 00:16:46.250 So in Shovan what happened was they sent out questionnaires, right? 00:16:46.250 --> 00:16:51.110 They said, did you ever attend a protest for, uh, you know, racial injustice or something like that? 00:16:51.350 --> 00:16:58.399 And if somebody marked, yes, they would call those jurors in and say, uh, juror 13, did you ever do anything that was in question? 00:16:58.490 --> 00:16:59.299 It said, you did, did you? 00:16:59.301 --> 00:17:00.169 And they say, yes, I did. 00:17:00.171 --> 00:17:02.570 Well, can you set that aside and be fair and impartial? 00:17:02.570 --> 00:17:03.230 Yes, I can. 00:17:03.409 --> 00:17:05.329 But there was a big lead up into that, right? 00:17:05.330 --> 00:17:06.200 They'd say, well, what do you do? 00:17:06.210 --> 00:17:06.769 I'm a nurse. 00:17:06.770 --> 00:17:08.690 So, uh, you know, I teach elementary school. 00:17:08.691 --> 00:17:13.009 I, you know, I, I raised puppies, whatever, and we got to get to know the person. 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:20.329 And there were people in the courtroom that would then also be watching that line of questioning and they'd say, okay, well that was a, you know, a white woman in her forties. 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:23.990 And we would be able to sort of glean together what the jury looked like. 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:25.339 That's not what happened here today. 00:17:25.340 --> 00:17:29.660 We ha we had sort of a big panel, you know, full of, uh, you know, 80 to a hundred people. 00:17:29.661 --> 00:17:30.769 And we couldn't see any of it. 00:17:30.770 --> 00:17:49.799 I was not there, but, but the reports say about 70 to 80 people and they would be sort of, uh, asked as a panel, big, you know, group questions, for example, one we're gonna get to is, uh, does anybody have any trepidation, any concerns about the word AR 15 or about, you know, assault weapon or something like that? 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:57.029 If you heard that Kyle Rittenhouse had an assault weapon, would that automatically lead you to be prejudicial against him? 00:17:57.030 --> 00:18:00.809 Would you find that he is guilty just due to the fact that he had an assault weapon?

00:18:01.410 --> 00:18:03.599 Because that's, that's very scary to a lot of people, right? 00:18:03.601 --> 00:18:10.170 Just the fact that somebody might have an AR 15 or an assault rifle or whatever, you know, whatever is sort of indoctrinated into their head. 00:18:10.171 --> 00:18:17.069 That thing is that might cause them to think that's a terrorist, that's a murderer, that's a white whatever, even though it's a perfectly legal gun. 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:21.630 And so they just, they ask that question to everybody and then they, they raised their hands. 00:18:22.019 --> 00:18:25.950 So juror 35 raises their hand, says, yes, that gun is very scary to me. 00:18:26.250 --> 00:18:33.480 And then they get to ask some questions about that one particular person, that one issue, but you lose a lot of the other inquisition of, of that person. 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:33.630 Right. 00:18:33.631 --> 00:18:34.109 Well, okay. 00:18:34.111 --> 00:18:43.470 So you get one answer about that, but is that a teacher, is that a nurse, a doctor, a mother, you know, somebody who is in construction, do they draw, what do they do? 00:18:43.650 --> 00:18:44.160 We don't know. 00:18:44.369 --> 00:18:46.619 And so it's harder and harder to put this together. 00:18:46.621 --> 00:18:55.200 We really don't know what the makeup of the jury is at this point, but we do have some generalizations that we can gather here. 00:18:55.201 --> 00:18:57.869 We have somebody named proof and hearsay on Twitter. 00:18:58.410 --> 00:19:02.549 They say of the 70 or so potential jurors in the courtroom for the Rittenhouse trial. 00:19:02.550 --> 00:19:20.400 So 70 people in there as part of the big panel, there are three black women, one Hispanic man rest, mostly older white group Rittenhouse, shout out to Matt Mayan, silver of a, uh, of a news agency pooling for reporters who did not win the lottery for seats inside the courtroom. 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:20.579 Right. 00:19:20.580 --> 00:19:22.049 So super limited in there. 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:25.829 And so only a certain number of people can see what is actually going on. 00:19:25.830 --> 00:19:29.069 So somebody reports those numbers and so you can see right. 00:19:29.789 --> 00:19:30.990 Um, okay. 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:33.000 You know, we, we, we're getting some demographics. 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:33.990 We can see some of that. 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:34.470 Now. 00:19:34.471 --> 00:19:45.240 I, I, I, in this case is interesting because it has sort of this racial component to it, even though it's all white, white people on the board, right? 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:47.970 Kyle House, Kyle Rittenhouse shot white people. 00:19:48.269 --> 00:19:54.509 Apparently they were there protesting as part of BLM or for racial injustice or something. 00:19:54.660 --> 00:19:58.650 But I don't, you know, who knows what was going on back in those days? 00:19:58.859 --> 00:20:02.430 So now what we have here is a little bit of a speech from this judge. 00:20:02.700 --> 00:20:08.220 And, you know, th this is useful in that it gives you some ideas, some insight into the judge, right? 00:20:08.220 --> 00:20:09.990 A lot of people will look at this and listen to this. 00:20:09.990 --> 00:20:14.759 And gosh, it's just a judge meandering off to himself, which is true, right? 00:20:14.760 --> 00:20:18.960 This judge is very sort of loose the way that he navigates through the courtroom. 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:22.410 It's very organic, not a lot of structure to it. 00:20:22.411 --> 00:20:27.299 I got very frustrated during some of the pretrial proceedings and even a defense lawyer. 00:20:27.660 --> 00:20:29.940 Cory Chira FEC was a little bit frustrated. 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:35.430 The judge was asking questions and then sort of meandered into arguing about the motions and lemonade. 00:20:35.431 --> 00:20:43.349 So like sort of talking about one issue about expert witnesses and Dobber hearings, and then meandering into like a segue into emotion and eliminate conversation. 00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:49.480 And we're all just going, what, and then Corey, cheer, cheer, FEC says, are we arguing the motions eliminate now? 00:20:49.630 --> 00:20:50.769 And judge goes, yeah, I think we are. 00:20:50.890 --> 00:20:51.730 Oh, good. 00:20:51.730 --> 00:20:56.710 Well, uh, number 13, then dials back to number 13, Aragon. 00:20:56.829 --> 00:20:58.329 All right, well, that's one way to do it. 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:03.549 So just kind of navigating throughout, just kind of, you know, organically he's in his courtroom. 00:21:03.550 --> 00:21:04.869 He can run it however he wants to. 00:21:05.230 --> 00:21:11.799 But I also think it's important to listen to the judge and sort of gather what he talks to see if you can gain some insight into what he's talking about. 00:21:12.069 --> 00:21:19.450 And here, if you listen to this judge a lot this morning, there was a quick moment where he sort of asked everybody to applaud for the veterans, right? 00:21:19.451 --> 00:21:21.460 Anybody here served, yes, we all did stand up. 00:21:21.490 --> 00:21:21.700 Okay. 00:21:21.701 --> 00:21:24.970 Give him a round of applause, which, you know, that's that he doesn't have to do that. 00:21:24.971 --> 00:21:32.740 That's not anything that's required shows you that he's somebody who is probably, you know, leaning one direction versus another, right? 00:21:32.740 --> 00:21:44.920 So people who show support for the troops, you know, kind of stand up and honor them tend to broad strokes, fall into one political category, one into one big, a bigger political category when it comes to gun rights and things like that. 00:21:45.250 --> 00:21:47.170 And so take from that, what you will, right? 00:21:47.171 --> 00:21:48.880 That's why it's important to listen to these things. 00:21:49.119 --> 00:22:04.089 And here, here is where he's giving the speech, nothing, anything, nothing really, you know, red meat in this, other than the fact, he

sort of showing some reverence for the founders, talking about the importance of jury selection and that the founders were very firm that this is integral to our democracy. 00:22:04.090 --> 00:22:04.269 Here. 00:22:04.270 --> 00:22:04.599 He is. 00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:10.960 Founders of our country were very firm about what was going to go into that bill of rights that was passed at the first Congress. 00:22:12.849 --> 00:22:15.819 And one of the ingredients was trial by jury. 00:22:16.089 --> 00:22:20.440 They wanted to protect that it's in the constitution, that basic law of this country. 00:22:20.890 --> 00:22:28.599 And it was carried over into the states so that both under the federal and the state constitution, people have a right to a trial by jury. 00:22:29.170 --> 00:22:31.269 And that's why you're here today. 00:22:31.930 --> 00:22:35.440 They put another provision in the constitution entitled. 00:22:36.609 --> 00:22:37.420 Well, it's the title? 00:22:37.421 --> 00:22:37.990 Isn't important. 00:22:38.500 --> 00:22:42.819 It is for a fair and impartial jury. 00:22:46.839 --> 00:22:49.150 That's an obligation that they imposed on you. 00:22:49.151 --> 00:22:57.940 These are people who had risked everything, their lives, as they said themselves in the declaration of independence, their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. 00:22:59.289 --> 00:23:00.430 They pledged all of that. 00:23:00.431 --> 00:23:01.569 And they literally did. 00:23:01.930 --> 00:23:04.630 This was a capital offense when they rebelled against their lawful, okay. 00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:18.670 Uh, in gruesome execution, uh, the forfeiture of all their property, there was something called corruption of blood, or not only were they disinherited, but their children, they would lose everything. 00:23:19.779 --> 00:23:21.700 And their sacred honor. 00:23:23.529 --> 00:23:29.920 Now there's honorable people in this world today, but I don't think it gets the attention that it did in a former error. 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:31.210 That's right. 00:23:31.211 --> 00:23:31.539 Judge you. 00:23:31.540 --> 00:23:31.779 Right. 00:23:32.529 --> 00:23:32.740 Yeah. 00:23:32.769 --> 00:23:34.269 And so it was a lot of that today, right? 00:23:34.270 --> 00:23:43.450 So about the first, it felt like maybe 20 minutes of this speech, he was going back through Rome and he was going back through the middle ages and the history of what, you know, what a complaint means. 00:23:43.451 --> 00:23:48.019 And he really a really detailed soliloquy that lasted a long time. 00:23:48.410 --> 00:23:54.079 And it was, you know, it was just interesting to sort of watch him just go, and you could tell, he's been given this speech for a long time. 00:23:54.680 --> 00:23:56.029 He had a lot to say about it. 00:23:56.329 --> 00:23:58.819 This is a big case of national importance. 00:23:59.089 --> 00:24:03.259 And so he went into details about where he stands and his perspective on all of this. 00:24:03.260 --> 00:24:03.619 Okay. 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:05.119 So that's the judge, right? 00:24:05.121 --> 00:24:10.279 We're not going to be hearing much more from him as the rest of the trial goes on, ideally, right. 00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:13.640 The judge really should not be involved other than just, you know, resolving disputes. 00:24:13.910 --> 00:24:15.619 And so that was our introduction to him. 00:24:15.829 --> 00:24:24.410 We're going to move on past the judge and, and hopefully into, you know, some real substantive stuff, as soon as we get the jury seated, but we're not there yet. 00:24:24.619 --> 00:24:29.180 And so let's take a quick listen in at some of the arguments that are taking place surrounding jury selection. 00:24:29.181 --> 00:24:36.170 So once again, voice, dear, this is actually, you know, asking questions and the format of what we're about to see is a little bit boring. 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:40.369 We're going to be looking at the judge all all day, unless they move this camera around. 00:24:40.730 --> 00:24:50.480 Uh, we're just going to be, I guess, maybe listening to the judge I'll trial, or at least throughout jury selection, but we have a prosecutor Thomas binger, and he's asking questions. 00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:56.150 So once again, we go through the questions, uh, you know, sort of the general questions that are applicable to anybody in the panel. 00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:59.869 So picture yourself, you're one of a hundred people that bring you into a room. 00:25:00.049 --> 00:25:06.710 They start asking you questions, you know, uh, is anybody here, anybody here, you know, lost a loved one in a shooting, right? 00:25:06.711 --> 00:25:08.809 Everybody rates five people raised their hand. 00:25:08.810 --> 00:25:09.019 Wow. 00:25:09.049 --> 00:25:09.410 Okay. 00:25:09.859 --> 00:25:15.200 Those people probably not going to be asked to sit on this jury, uh, for, for many reasons, right? 00:25:15.201 --> 00:25:18.650 Prosecutors may not want them on there because they're too emotional. 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:25.009 We could have a defense attorneys may not want them on there because they're overly critical to people who are just too emotionally invested. 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:26.630 You might just remove some of them. 00:25:26.809 --> 00:25:33.170 And so we're sort of at that stage where they're asking big, broad, general questions, somebody raises their cue card. 00:25:33.220 --> 00:25:34.430 Oh, that's me. 00:25:34.431 --> 00:25:35.329 That's my question. 00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:39.500 And then they dive in on that person a little bit further. 00:25:39.500 --> 00:25:39.799 Okay. 00:25:39.800 --> 00:25:43.700 So you said that somebody that, you know, her love was, was a, you know, shot in an incident. 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:48.349 But with that being said, can you set that aside and still be fair and impartial? 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:51.799 And so you're sort of trying to identify people who might be a problem.

00:25:51.890 --> 00:25:56.779 See if you can rehabilitate them to bring them back into a competent, capable, reasonable juror. 00:25:56.900 --> 00:25:58.670 And if not, then they've got to go. 00:25:58.849 --> 00:26:00.140 And so here is Thomas binger. 00:26:00.141 --> 00:26:03.170 Here's the prosecutor he started with the questioning this morning. 00:26:03.410 --> 00:26:12.170 And this first question was sort of about trying to gauge whether individual jurors were surrounded by other people who had strong opinions about this case. 00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:23.599 So if you're a juror he's asking you, is there anybody in your life, any family, any friends that is really just aggressive in their perspective on how this case went down? 00:26:23.930 --> 00:26:24.559 Yes or no. 00:26:24.769 --> 00:26:25.579 Here's Thomas binger. 00:26:25.580 --> 00:26:27.140 And here's what that question sounds like. 00:26:28.490 --> 00:27:08.819 So my question is, is there any one of you who feels that you're in a group of friends or family, or you've got people that you know, who are just so dead set on one side or the other of this case that you'd be afraid to make a decision in this trial and then have to face them, have to go home at the end and they're confronting you with, well, why did you find this, that, or the other thing when, you know, we disagree with that, is there anybody who would be uncomfortable, who'd be worried about the consequences of, of making a decision in this case, because you're worried it might be unpopular with the people that you know. 00:27:09.299 --> 00:27:09.660 Okay. 00:27:10.049 --> 00:27:12.839 Um, may I might think you are a juror number 15, is that right? 00:27:13.470 --> 00:27:13.799 Okay. 00:27:14.009 --> 00:27:16.220 So I wanted to just point this question out, right? 00:27:16.529 --> 00:27:18.690 You can, you, you can kind of see what he's asking for. 00:27:18.900 --> 00:27:31.079 He's asking for people who have a strong opinion in this area, he knows the area, and he's saying it might this be problematic for you because your, your strong opinion is going to go against your support system. 00:27:31.080 --> 00:27:39.750 It's going to go against your family, against your friends, against your drinking buddies or your, your, your golfing bros or your bowling team or whatever it is you do. 00:27:40.019 --> 00:27:46.950 If you go back to your shooting club and you, uh, tell your shooting buddies. 00:27:47.289 --> 00:27:47.730 Yeah. 00:27:47.730 --> 00:27:49.559 We, uh, we just convicted Kyle Rittenhouse. 00:27:49.589 --> 00:27:50.670 How's that going to go for you? 00:27:50.819 --> 00:27:51.089 Right. 00:27:51.299 --> 00:28:04.380 What the prosecutor's trying to do is identify those people that have those strong, external pressures to go one way, probably presuming that he knows what the demographics are in this area that are likely to be probably on the side of Kyle Rittenhouse. 00:28:04.710 --> 00:28:11.640 And what, what he's trying to do is identify people that are, that are going to succumb to that peer pressure in one way, shape or form. 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:14.609 So he's asking that question, people are raising their hands. 00:28:14.611 --> 00:28:14.910 Yes. 00:28:14.911 --> 00:28:20.700 I've got a lot of social pressure and stuff that is going to cause me to not think freely. 00:28:20.940 --> 00:28:22.680 It's going to cause me to succumb to that pressure. 00:28:23.069 --> 00:28:25.589 He's trying to identify those people and probably boot them out. 00:28:25.829 --> 00:28:25.980 All right. 00:28:26.009 --> 00:28:38.849 And so in response to this question, we have here, uh, one, one woman who identified and raised her hand, and she said, uh, yeah, actually, you know, a very similar question. 00:28:38.851 --> 00:29:00.809 This was actually a different question, but something to the effect of, well, what about close family and friends or anything that is going to cause you to be, you know, make it difficult for you to be seated on this jury because of the tension surrounding this case, woman raises her hand and says, yeah, we got Thanksgiving coming up and you know, my nephew, well, you're listening. 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:01.829 Here's what she has to say. 00:29:02.309 --> 00:29:04.380 Thomas banger asks her any problems here. 00:29:04.381 --> 00:29:04.710 She is. 00:29:04.829 --> 00:29:06.960 I believe that juror number 31. 00:29:07.529 --> 00:29:08.190 Uh, did you raise your hand? 00:29:08.191 --> 00:29:08.970 Ma'am okay. 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:09.359 Thank you. 00:29:11.250 --> 00:29:18.150 Well, I won't want to be able to in Thanksgiving, which is done in the past, especially with, um, 00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:19.829 Okay. 00:29:19.830 --> 00:29:20.339 Real quick. 00:29:20.369 --> 00:29:25.859 I forgot to mention this audio is really low for the jurors almost nonexistent. 00:29:25.861 --> 00:29:28.349 So I actually, uh, edited the, these a little bit. 00:29:28.351 --> 00:29:31.289 I boosted the volume and I transcribed it at the bottom. 00:29:31.290 --> 00:29:40.170 I'm not going to talk over it, but if you're listening in, uh, it's going to be very faint, but if you're watching, you can read the tr the, uh, the captions down at the bottom of the screen here, here. 00:29:40.171 --> 00:29:40.619 It is again. 00:29:41.619 --> 00:29:44.890 So she's talking about Thanksgiving, especially with her family. 00:29:45.609 --> 00:29:55.269 I mean, and then my nephew, who was a police officer, and that was PTSD over many of these situations, it's just very difficult. 00:29:57.220 --> 00:30:03.640 Um, would it make me be partial, but it would make it a very uncomfortable. 00:30:04.740 --> 00:30:05.160 Okay. 00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:07.079 And I just want to make sure I understand what you're saying. 00:30:07.500 --> 00:30:22.559 Um, you are concerned that if you're a juror and you make a decision one way or the other in this case that it could cause some discomfort, some

awkward interactions with family at the holidays say yes. 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:25.589 Okay. 00:30:26.490 --> 00:30:35.549 Um, and I believe you said that, I think you meant to say that, that it would not affect your ability to be impartial, but it would be something there'll be weighing in your mind. 00:30:35.609 --> 00:30:36.329 Is that fair to say, 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:43.200 Okay, so you, you could, you could see what he was trying to get at. 00:30:43.289 --> 00:30:47.250 And then she kind of gave him the opposite of that. 00:30:47.579 --> 00:30:53.940 So, so if you didn't hear her, that audio was bad, but if you didn't hear her, she said, well, my nephew, my nephew might be coming over for Thanksgiving. 00:30:54.059 --> 00:30:55.680 He used to be a police officer. 00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.319 He has PTSD for many of these situations. 00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:00.210 And now you're thinking, okay, right. 00:31:00.211 --> 00:31:03.359 As a, as a prosecutor, well, do I want this lady on the jury or not? 00:31:03.900 --> 00:31:09.000 Uh, her, her nephews, uh, police, family sort of police family. 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:16.769 So she might be pro law enforcement, but Kyle Rittenhouse is kind of a, this might be a kind of a pro law enforcement case as a defendant. 00:31:16.770 --> 00:31:20.490 He's kind of a likable law enforcement candidate. 00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:23.279 He was out there in law enforcement said, we appreciate you guys, you know? 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.319 And so, uh, maybe they might be aligning with them. 00:31:25.320 --> 00:31:29.910 So as a prosecutor, you're trying to decide, is this a police family, somebody we want on there or not. 00:31:30.210 --> 00:31:31.410 And so he kind of gets into it. 00:31:31.411 --> 00:31:31.710 Okay. 00:31:31.711 --> 00:31:35.490 Well, so your, your nephew used to be a police officer. 00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:36.900 Can you still sit on this jury? 00:31:36.901 --> 00:31:37.710 Yes, I can. 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:43.799 Is this, can you, can you exercise your civic duty over having a problem at Thanksgiving dinner? 00:31:43.829 --> 00:31:44.700 Yes, I can. 00:31:44.730 --> 00:31:45.150 Okay. 00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:45.720 Right. 00:31:45.721 --> 00:31:50.460 So she gets to stick around for the foreseeable future, but that's the type of stuff we're talking about. 00:31:50.609 --> 00:31:50.940 Right? 00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:57.509 Thanksgiving, dinner problems, arguing over Kyle Rittenhouse, which is valid to be, to be fair. 00:31:57.569 --> 00:31:57.869 Right. 00:31:57.871 --> 00:32:03.509 I, you know, I don't know what I'm doing for Thanksgiving, but somebody is probably going to get a black eye over Kyle Rittenhouse. 00:32:03.539 --> 00:32:03.750 Right? 00:32:03.779 --> 00:32:04.829 Not on my hands. 00:32:04.830 --> 00:32:07.740 You know, I'm very peaceful and loving, but you just know how this stuff goes. 00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:09.359 It's a tense case. 00:32:09.660 --> 00:32:13.680 And so we've

got another clip here that was, we got two from Thomas binger. 00:32:13.681 --> 00:32:19.440 Let's check in here on Corey Chira Feesey and cheer FEC of course is a defense attorney. 00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:24.900 And he's asking another, another question, uh, diving in about a one particular mom. 00:32:24.901 --> 00:32:26.160 We have a mom who was a juror. 00:32:26.161 --> 00:32:30.420 Again, her voice is going to be very low, but I did my best to transcribe this briefly. 00:32:30.779 --> 00:32:34.019 And she's going to be asked a question by Chira feces. 00:32:34.020 --> 00:32:43.279 Specifically, you said something about not wanting your son to go down there to the, where Rittenhouse was, where Rosenbalm worlds, where all of this took place. 00:32:43.970 --> 00:32:54.980 The prosecutor said, I'm wanting to know about that because wanted to know why you didn't want your son to go down there, probably because it would have been a reckless thing to do if your son went down there. 00:32:55.190 --> 00:33:01.309 But then the defense is hinting that the mom was more concerned about safety. 00:33:01.910 --> 00:33:05.269 The reason why she didn't want her son to go down there is because it was dangerous. 00:33:06.349 --> 00:33:09.680 And in a dangerous situation, what do you have to do defend yourself? 00:33:09.890 --> 00:33:15.170 So you can see the prosecutor was going one direction and the defense attorney comes back out and tries to redirect it. 00:33:15.171 --> 00:33:16.309 Let's listen to that question. 00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:19.200 Okay. 00:33:19.950 --> 00:33:25.680 And you had mentioned that you were not, you would ask them not to do that. 00:33:27.750 --> 00:33:28.079 Okay. 00:33:29.009 --> 00:33:37.289 Um, can I ask you to broad question, but why were you worried for his safety? 00:33:37.290 --> 00:33:39.569 Did you not want him to get arrested? 00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:40.799 Kind of all of it. 00:33:40.890 --> 00:33:42.329 What do you, what was kind of going through your mind? 00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:52.950 He not knowing what was going on down there and just kind of like a lot of the home and be safe my own and not look for any 00:33:54.180 --> 00:33:54.869 Sounds good to me. 00:33:55.349 --> 00:33:57.809 I'm sorry, judge. 00:33:58.140 --> 00:34:00.269 Were you watching what was happening? 00:34:01.019 --> 00:34:01.019 Yes. 00:34:01.589 --> 00:34:01.859 All right. 00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:11.820 And, um, so you had observed property damage, things like that? 00:34:12.630 --> 00:34:13.230 Yes. 00:34:13.289 --> 00:34:13.920 Okay. 00:34:15.929 --> 00:34:16.289 Okay. 00:34:18.030 --> 00:34:20.940 And so the biggest concern you had was for his safety, 00:34:22.380 --> 00:34:24.239 He needed to be any part of it. 00:34:25.019 --> 00:34:25.380 Okay. 00:34:26.309 --> 00:34:26.309 Um, 00:34:26.809 --> 00:34:27.110 Okay. 00:34:27.110 --> 00:34:28.579 So you see what he did there. 00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:30.920 So let's back up for a minute. 00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:31.820 We have a woman out there. 00:34:31.820 --> 00:34:33.380 Prosecutor asks him a question. 00:34:33.500 --> 00:34:34.909 Uh, you don't want your son to go down there? 00:34:34.911 --> 00:34:35.449 Why not? 00:34:35.451 --> 00:34:36.619 Well, it's dangerous down there. 00:34:36.650 --> 00:34:36.949 He goes. 00:34:36.951 --> 00:34:37.460 Exactly. 00:34:37.460 --> 00:34:37.699 Right. 00:34:37.701 --> 00:34:39.920 So it was so prosecutor's argument. 00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:43.789 The framing of this, the reason why mom didn't want sun to go down there, it's dangerous. 00:34:44.210 --> 00:34:49.610 And Kyle Rittenhouse by grabbing a gun and going down there is acting recklessly. 00:34:49.610 --> 00:34:49.940 Right? 00:34:49.969 --> 00:34:54.829 Mom, this mom can see it's very clearly dangerous, but Rittenhouse goes down there anyways. 00:34:55.090 --> 00:34:56.989 It kind of sounds like it was a reckless behavior, right? 00:34:57.289 --> 00:34:58.670 That's the prosecutor's argument. 00:34:58.909 --> 00:35:07.670 Defense attorney comes back out and says, yeah, but you were talking about dangerousness, but the real reason you didn't want him to go down, there was safety, right. 00:35:07.670 --> 00:35:10.130 Just flips it from dangerous to safety, safety. 00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:10.550 Right? 00:35:10.550 --> 00:35:11.750 You didn't want it safe. 00:35:12.019 --> 00:35:17.329 You want him to be safe and that's going to be reframed as to be self-defense right. 00:35:17.510 --> 00:35:19.309 It wasn't reckless for him to go down there. 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:20.599 That was fine. 00:35:20.750 --> 00:35:21.590 All that was fine. 00:35:22.369 --> 00:35:26.000 He was, he was, he was very safe until he was assaulted and attacked. 00:35:26.030 --> 00:35:33.500 And then because his safety was in danger, he needed to exercise self defense, fire his weapon and eliminate the threats. 00:35:35.929 --> 00:35:37.949 And my sign literally fell off the wall. 00:35:37.951 --> 00:35:39.000 Did you see that happen? 00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:40.500 Live? 00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:42.030 What? 00:35:44.699 --> 00:35:45.119 All right. 00:35:45.150 --> 00:35:50.969 Well, I'm going to say my prayers tonight, extra, uh, deeply might be some demons in the room or something going on. 00:35:51.269 --> 00:35:53.369 They're gonna have to look at that. 00:35:53.699 --> 00:35:58.710 The RNR side and the thing right in the middle just felt, just felt live right in the middle of the show. 00:35:59.429 --> 00:36:00.960 What the heck was that? 00:36:01.019 --> 00:36:01.440 All right. 00:36:01.469 --> 00:36:07.650 Well, I don't know what that says about Kyle Rittenhouse is case, but it might be a good omen. 00:36:07.650 --> 00:36:08.610 Might not be a good omen. 00:36:08.610 --> 00:36:09.269 What did I say? 00:36:09.300 --> 00:36:10.860 I'm going to have to go rewind the clock there. 00:36:13.889 --> 00:36:14.579 Okay. 00:36:14.610 --> 00:36:15.000 All right. 00:36:15.010 -->

00:36:16.889 Well, what the heck was I talking about? 00:36:18.210 --> 00:36:22.260 It's probably pretty good point earth, earth shattering point that I was making right there. 00:36:24.030 --> 00:36:24.300 All right. 00:36:24.300 --> 00:36:25.170 Let's get back to it. 00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:25.590 All right. 00:36:25.949 --> 00:36:32.969 So I was talking about this, uh, this prosecutor and the arguments that were being made. 00:36:32.971 --> 00:36:38.039 Prosecutor said that was reckless defense attorney says, no, it was a concern about safety. 00:36:38.460 --> 00:36:43.650 Kyle Rittenhouse is now defending himself to provide for his own safety. 00:36:43.650 --> 00:36:45.389 So it's sort of a reframe of that argument. 00:36:45.630 --> 00:36:48.360 And I thought it was pretty effective there from cheer FEC. 00:36:48.659 --> 00:36:53.699 Also, this is the question now we're going to hear from this juror gets excused. 00:36:53.701 --> 00:37:04.289 So Kyle Rittenhouse up in the Kyle Rittenhouse case, I don't know the number of this juror, but he does get excused because both sides agree that the juror should go. 00:37:04.500 --> 00:37:15.210 So Corey[inaudible] comes out and ask the question about the AR 15 specifically, if you know, if you just hear the word AR 15, are you likely to just presume somebody as guilty? 00:37:15.389 --> 00:37:20.099 Just because you don't like the gun and this woman's like, yeah, I would totally, it's a scary gun. 00:37:20.369 --> 00:37:21.449 I don't like it at all. 00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:22.980 I don't care if it's legal. 00:37:22.981 --> 00:37:28.559 I don't care if it's perfectly authorized whatsoever. 00:37:28.650 --> 00:37:32.460 If I see him with it, I think that person did something wrong because I don't like guns. 00:37:32.730 --> 00:37:35.070 And they were asking that question more or less. 00:37:35.250 --> 00:37:36.510 Here's how that sounded. 00:37:36.750 --> 00:37:37.320 Here's Corey. 00:37:37.500 --> 00:37:39.389 Now Corey then gets an answer. 00:37:39.391 --> 00:37:40.619 He's going to ask a question. 00:37:40.949 --> 00:37:41.699 We're going to pause. 00:37:41.701 --> 00:37:43.139 We're going to hear her response. 00:37:43.530 --> 00:37:48.989 And then Corey is going to make a motion to strike her for cause obviously bias. 00:37:48.990 --> 00:37:50.489 We can't have her on the jury panel. 00:37:50.820 --> 00:38:05.130 And what happens is the prosecution gets to come back out and try to rehabilitate the, the, the juror to say, well, look, I know that they want to strike you, but you really shouldn't be stricken because it's not that bad because you really believe this, isn't it true. 00:38:05.130 --> 00:38:06.510 And you also believe that, right? 00:38:06.780 --> 00:38:08.460 And they say, oh yeah, you're right. 00:38:08.460 --> 00:38:09.750 I can't be fair and impartial. 00:38:09.989 --> 00:38:15.090 And they rehabilitate you back in to keep you apart of the jury because you want that juror. 00:38:15.119

--> 00:38:15.329 Right. 00:38:15.331 --> 00:38:18.329 If they're really bad for one side, they're probably pretty good for yours. 00:38:18.570 --> 00:38:22.199 And so we're going to watch this game sort of start to play itself out. 00:38:22.201 --> 00:38:32.820 But the prosecution's like, okay, well, uh, I guess, uh, I guess we don't watch it either then by, so here is where the question starts from Corey and then we'll move on. 00:38:33.539 --> 00:38:33.809 Mr. 00:38:33.809 --> 00:38:35.980 Binger had asked you about the workings of a firearm. 00:38:36.010 --> 00:38:38.559 I think you'll hear about the firearm in this case. 00:38:38.980 --> 00:38:39.309 Okay. 00:38:39.940 --> 00:38:46.239 The firearm in this case, um, I think it will be referred to as an AR 15. 00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:50.800 Um, it's an MP 15, but it's referred to that. 00:38:50.800 --> 00:39:01.210 Does any, is anybody sole bothered by that type of firearm that they don't think that they could listen to the facts of the case and judge it fairly. 00:39:01.690 --> 00:39:03.340 Anybody have such a problem with that. 00:39:05.530 --> 00:39:05.829 Okay. 00:39:06.789 --> 00:39:08.260 Um, I want to make sure I have it right. 00:39:08.260 --> 00:39:09.219 I'm not going to have it right. 00:39:09.670 --> 00:39:12.030 Um, juror number 30. 00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:13.099 Okay. 00:39:15.789 --> 00:39:16.030 Okay. 00:39:16.030 --> 00:39:17.739 So juror number 30 raises her hand. 00:39:17.980 --> 00:39:26.050 Quick question, you know, anybody see that would sort of jump to conclusions and the be unable to be fair and impartial juror 30 raises her hands. 00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:38.469 So then we get an answer from her and the inquiry digs in a little bit before trying to, before moving to strike her for cause judge, she is not, not capable of being a competent jerk. 00:39:38.471 --> 00:39:39.039 She's got to go. 00:39:39.041 --> 00:39:39.579 Let's listen. 00:39:46.570 --> 00:39:46.900 Okay. 00:39:47.230 --> 00:39:53.110 Can you, uh, and then wants to sound like a dumb question, but can you just tell me your feelings on it? 00:39:54.429 --> 00:40:08.170 I don't think a weapon like that should be okay if it's legal to, if it's illegal to purchase. 00:40:09.460 --> 00:40:19.389 Um, and you have your feelings, which are plain about that and the firearm in and of itself, isn't illegal. 00:40:19.391 --> 00:40:26.349 Do you think you can judge this case fairly understanding that it involves a firearm that you don't think should be legal. 00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:29.440 Okay. 00:40:29.530 --> 00:40:38.349 So you think you would be, um, you would have difficulty setting aside whatever preconceived notions or whatever your feelings are about the case and judge it fairly. 00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:39.880 Okay. 00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:44.079 Joe would move, um, district 30. 00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:48.610 Okay. 00:40:48.610 --> 00:40:50.050 So gone. 00:40:50.050 --> 00:40:50.260 Right. 00:40:50.260 --> 00:40:53.800

So not, not gone quite yet, but gone from the defense defense goes out there. 00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:55.599 Listen, I'm going to ask you three times. 00:40:55.630 --> 00:41:04.030 If, if it's perfectly legal for somebody to have that gun, you're still gonna look at their case and say, you find them guilty. 00:41:04.059 --> 00:41:04.719 She says, yes. 00:41:04.780 --> 00:41:06.010 Are you sure again? 00:41:06.130 --> 00:41:07.300 Yes, I would do it again. 00:41:07.780 --> 00:41:08.650 And he says why? 00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:12.340 And she says, well, because I don't think anybody in the public should have a weapon like that. 00:41:12.610 --> 00:41:14.409 And so somebody is just way too bias, right? 00:41:14.411 --> 00:41:16.389 If they have that weapon automatically guilty. 00:41:16.659 --> 00:41:18.789 And thankfully the lady said that, right? 00:41:18.791 --> 00:41:19.929 A lot of people feel that way. 00:41:20.110 --> 00:41:22.329 Maybe other people would be less honest about it. 00:41:22.331 --> 00:41:27.159 But fortunately she said, yep, I have this really strong, emotional urge. 00:41:27.161 --> 00:41:29.769 That every time I see that I'm just like scared to death. 00:41:30.010 --> 00:41:35.000 She's, you know, recommended that she goes off the panel for cause, right. 00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:36.800 Because she cannot be fair and impartial. 00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:39.320 So the judge says, okay, and uh, Mr. 00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:40.039 Prosecutor, Mr. 00:41:40.041 --> 00:41:41.809 Binger, why don't you come on up here? 00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:44.179 And let's hear from you, what's your perspective on this? 00:41:44.181 --> 00:42:02.239 And typically what you'll see is the prosecutor come back out here and try to rehabilitate this person and say, listen, I know that it's sort of a scary thing, but, uh, for the sake of this case right here in Kenosha, it is perfectly legal for many people to be walking around with an AR 15. 00:42:02.269 --> 00:42:02.449 Right. 00:42:02.451 --> 00:42:12.440 For example, if they are doing that and it's not during a riot, it's not during a, a, a public disorder, would you be okay with that? 00:42:12.469 --> 00:42:14.239 Because it's because it's law that's allowed. 00:42:14.240 --> 00:42:14.449 Right. 00:42:14.451 --> 00:42:16.369 Maybe she goes, oh, you know what? 00:42:16.371 --> 00:42:18.199 Now that you've mentioned it, now that I think about it. 00:42:18.201 --> 00:42:18.469 Yeah. 00:42:18.471 --> 00:42:20.300 Actually, that's not that bad of a problem. 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:24.349 He says, cause we have the second amendment and the second amendment guarantees people, the right. 00:42:24.351 --> 00:42:25.070 To have a firearm. 00:42:25.070 --> 00:42:25.260 Right. 00:42:25.340 --> 00:42:26.480 And she goes, yeah, that's a good point. 00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:29.599 And so, and sometimes people can have a gun. 00:42:29.601 --> 00:42:29.900 Right. 00:42:29.900 --> 00:42:31.010 And she goes, yeah, that is true. 00:42:31.250 --> 00:42:39.440 And so, and so in this case, you could set aside the fact that an AR 15 might be legal and lawful, and that doesn't make you scared of the weapon anymore. 00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:39.619 Right. 00:42:39.621 --> 00:42:40.099 And she goes, yeah. 00:42:40.130 --> 00:42:41.840 Now that you mention it, that's right. 00:42:42.619 --> 00:42:43.099 It's true. 00:42:43.309 --> 00:42:44.000 And he goes, okay. 00:42:44.001 --> 00:42:45.349 And so you can be fair and impartial. 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:45.980 She goes, yes. 00:42:46.010 --> 00:42:46.460 Okay. 00:42:46.789 --> 00:42:52.340 Uh, judge, I oppose the motion to strike her for, cause she just said that she could be fair and impartial. 00:42:52.610 --> 00:42:54.320 And if the judge buys that right. 00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:56.840 If the judge is like, oh, like she said, she could be fair and impartial. 00:42:57.019 --> 00:43:02.360 Then the prosecution just kept a person who's petrified of weapons on the jury panel. 00:43:02.389 --> 00:43:02.539 Right. 00:43:02.541 --> 00:43:04.219 And that's a tremendous success. 00:43:05.150 --> 00:43:20.570 And so, you know, that's something that I would think that you'd want to fight for, but uh, we didn't get too much of that here now to be fair, this lady was maybe beyond rehabilitation, but a prosecutor binger, just kind of like, okay, well, all right, you're gone kind of surprise me. 00:43:20.570 --> 00:43:24.440 I was a little bit shocked at how quickly he, uh, uh, gave up. 00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:26.179 It's like 30 seconds here he is. 00:43:33.289 --> 00:43:35.420 Ma'am I just want to clarify something. 00:43:35.420 --> 00:43:39.440 So there are going to be a lot of facts in this case about a lot of different things. 00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:48.170 Um, console stats about the curfew, um, about the events of that night, uh, protests, things like that. 00:43:48.860 --> 00:44:06.289 Uh, my understanding of correctly that just the simple fact that the, if, if you, if the evidence shows that the defendant possessed an AR 15, you would find him guilty of all of the charges just based on that fact, then I have no objection. 00:44:08.510 --> 00:44:08.869 Yes. 00:44:08.989 --> 00:44:09.320 Okay. 00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:09.860 All right. 00:44:09.889 --> 00:44:10.250 Thank you. 00:44:10.420 --> 00:44:11.389 Ma'am I'm going to excuse you. 00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:16.579 Um, and the police give her a boat, uh, note and, um, 00:44:18.230 --> 00:44:18.739 Okay. 00:44:19.699 --> 00:44:19.909 All right. 00:44:19.940 --> 00:44:20.329 That's it. 00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:21.920 No rehabilitation there going on. 00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:27.380 So what you said is if the evidence shows that he had an AR 15, you'd find him guilty on all charges. 00:44:27.380 --> 00:44:28.190 Yeah, pretty much. 00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:28.699 Okay. 00:44:28.730 --> 00:44:29.840 Well, okay. 00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:31.070 Well, thanks for coming here today. 00:44:31.110 -->

00:44:31.710 See you later. 00:44:32.940 --> 00:44:36.900 Uh, you know, as a prosecutor, I was never a prosecutor never would ever become a prosecutor. 00:44:36.900 --> 00:44:38.670 Never, uh wouldn't wouldn't do it. 00:44:38.909 --> 00:44:46.110 But what happens is, you know, you, you would, I don't know, maybe prosecutors would disagree with me, but you kind of try to salvage that one a little bit, right? 00:44:46.139 --> 00:44:49.019 You want that person on the jury, that person hates guns. 00:44:49.349 --> 00:44:54.960 And if you can get them on there kind of a victory, but he lasted 15, 20 seconds on that one. 00:44:54.989 --> 00:44:59.309 Anyways, that was more or less day one of the Rittenhouse trial. 00:44:59.311 --> 00:45:01.019 We're going to be covering this puppy in depth. 00:45:01.230 --> 00:45:02.730 It's going to get a lot more interesting. 00:45:02.731 --> 00:45:05.820 Once we get this jury seated, we get into opening arguments. 00:45:05.820 --> 00:45:14.130 And so make sure you are subscribed wherever you're watching this and joining us for the live recording of the show and discussion over@watchingthewatchersdotlocals.com. 00:45:14.309 --> 00:45:16.679 Speaking of that, let's jump into the questions over there. 00:45:16.681 --> 00:45:19.829 My friends let's see what you have to say about Rittenhouse. 00:45:20.670 --> 00:45:30.599 And so we are Q and these puppies up first in the house we've got just cows is here, says, Rob, I was able to catch this whole stream today. 00:45:30.869 --> 00:45:38.190 Why would the defense not attempt to dismiss the guy that believes everything firearm related are machine guns towards the very end? 00:45:40.710 --> 00:45:43.730 Uh, it's a good question. 00:45:43.731 --> 00:45:44.150 Just calls. 00:45:44.269 --> 00:45:45.409 So I didn't see that part of it. 00:45:45.650 --> 00:45:54.469 Why wouldn't, why would the defense not attempt to dismiss the guy that believes everything firearm-related are machine guns toward the very end? 00:45:55.090 --> 00:45:56.269 You know, I don't know. 00:45:56.271 --> 00:46:24.739 I don't know if that's a, um, important distinction between, you know, the various permutations of firearms semi-automatic, you know, fully automatic, if that matters all that much, to me, it just, it tends to show maybe sort of, you know, ignorance towards firearms, but not necessarily a position on firearms, whether somebody is for or against so that maybe they just didn't see any real reason why that would lead you to, to jump to a conclusion one way or the other good question. 00:46:24.769 --> 00:46:25.519 I didn't see that part. 00:46:25.521 --> 00:46:25.940 Don't know. 00:46:26.420 --> 00:46:32.449 Uh, the judge says, uh,[inaudible] don't say victim, Rob it's from the judge, which is true. 00:46:32.451 --> 00:46:33.440 I shouldn't be saying that. 00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:36.349 I should be saying, you know, it sorta depends on what you want to call them. 00:46:36.650 --> 00:46:38.300 Uh,

you can call them by their names, Mr. 00:46:38.300 --> 00:46:39.110 Rosenbaum, Mr. 00:46:39.110 --> 00:46:39.650 Gross crew. 00:46:39.739 --> 00:46:40.010 It's Mr. 00:46:40.010 --> 00:46:40.460 Huber. 00:46:41.329 --> 00:46:46.670 But, uh, you know, uh, Terry McAuliffe says, Rob, do you think I'll win the Virginia governor election? 00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:49.550 Not fairly. 00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:56.420 I don't sure don't, uh, speech unleashed says, how do they choose which of the 20 will be dismissed later to get the 12? 00:46:57.170 --> 00:47:02.960 Well, the lawyers be able to have a say in, it can either lawyer object to a juror that is selected for dismissal at the end. 00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:12.650 So, no, I think at the end, it's going to be just sort of a rant, you know, names out of a hat type of process, whatever that looks like, whatever process this court uses to dismiss people randomly, right? 00:47:12.650 --> 00:47:13.670 There's a process for that. 00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:42.099 Now throughout the course of the trial, if there are issues that pop up, for example, if the defense catches wind that jurors are communicating with other people, or if something, you know, improper is happening, there's conversations, taking place between certain, you know, ex party individuals, then the attorneys, either the prosecution or the defense at that moment could file, uh, notify the judge and the judge could theoretically excuse them. 00:47:42.250 --> 00:47:48.309 And it sounds like the judge is willing to do that, right from, even from his description of how jury selection was going to be working. 00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:50.230 He said, yeah, we're going to start at 20. 00:47:50.409 --> 00:47:52.449 And if somebody gets sick, they're gone, right. 00:47:52.451 --> 00:47:53.260 Something else happens. 00:47:53.260 --> 00:47:55.510 Somebody gets hit by a bus on the way in they're gone. 00:47:55.809 --> 00:47:59.380 And so there's sort of this slow whittling down of jurors. 00:47:59.829 --> 00:48:06.340 And then he said at the very end, if you have, let's say, you know, trial concludes state, rest defense, rest, closing arguments, boom. 00:48:06.340 --> 00:48:08.320 We're done at that moment. 00:48:08.500 --> 00:48:13.510 If you go from 20 down to 16, well then you only excuse 16 down to 12, right? 00:48:13.510 --> 00:48:22.809 So you just sort of, whatever the difference is, you just need that 12 magic number, whatever the remainder is, whoever lasts the trial and doesn't get booted stays around. 00:48:22.811 --> 00:48:25.269 And then from there I would, I would imagine that it's just random. 00:48:25.690 --> 00:48:27.849 You get down to the 12 and then that's the end of it. 00:48:28.269 --> 00:48:28.900 Good question. 00:48:28.900 --> 00:48:34.059 Speech Davis says, why don't they always do jury duty like this? 00:48:34.061 --> 00:48:38.769 It seems like it's beneficial to the integrity of the trial to be able to strike the extra jurors at the end.

00:48:38.980 --> 00:48:47.289 What if one of the mangers is half asleep and disinterested while the alternate is taking notes, having predesignated alternates makes zero sense. 00:48:47.530 --> 00:48:49.420 So yeah, I understand what you're saying, Davis. 00:48:49.449 --> 00:48:59.719 And um, so the alternates are selected at the conclusion of the trial before deliberation, right? 00:48:59.721 --> 00:49:07.400 So they don't go in there, uh, and say you're sort of a pseudo juror, right? 00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:10.280 You get to like only pay half attention. 00:49:10.429 --> 00:49:13.849 Cause you're an alternate, like they're all official until one gets booted. 00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:15.409 So they all should be paying attention. 00:49:15.530 --> 00:49:16.550 But I understand your point. 00:49:18.289 --> 00:49:18.469 Yeah. 00:49:18.471 --> 00:49:19.610 There are many ways to do it, right. 00:49:19.610 --> 00:49:20.510 There are different ways to do it. 00:49:20.510 --> 00:49:21.289 I think it's interesting. 00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:24.110 I've never, I've never seen it done this way. 00:49:24.110 --> 00:49:24.380 Right. 00:49:24.380 --> 00:49:27.969 But it is interesting monster. 00:49:27.971 --> 00:49:31.059 One says I am filing a motion to have Rob held in contempt. 00:49:31.061 --> 00:49:33.250 The judge ordered these people couldn't be called victims. 00:49:33.251 --> 00:49:38.920 Rob has repeatedly called them victims in defiance of the, your honor's order, which is so true. 00:49:38.949 --> 00:49:39.460 Everybody. 00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:40.210 I deserve it. 00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:41.679 Thank you for calling me out on that. 00:49:42.190 --> 00:49:46.030 It's just sort of habit and I'm a defense attorney. 00:49:46.030 --> 00:49:46.929 What a loser. 00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:47.409 All right. 00:49:47.411 --> 00:49:47.860 You're right. 00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:54.070 Totally monster one says everyone hates jury duty, but imagine sitting in a jury for weeks and getting tossed. 00:49:54.099 --> 00:49:54.309 Yeah. 00:49:54.311 --> 00:49:56.769 It's doesn't sound, uh, fun. 00:49:57.309 --> 00:50:07.809 Uh, he says, can you remind us how long Kyle has been locked up without being found guilty of anything in your opinion, what do you think is the right process for someone accused of murder when it comes to releasing them before trial or keeping them locked up? 00:50:07.809 --> 00:50:09.159 There are pros and cons on both sides. 00:50:09.369 --> 00:50:13.570 Be interesting to hear it from your point of view, no name on that one. 00:50:13.690 --> 00:50:15.460 So Kyle was really only locked up. 00:50:15.460 --> 00:50:19.989 I think it was for two months, maybe, maybe a little bit longer. 00:50:20.110 --> 00:50:20.380 Right? 00:50:20.380 --> 00:50:22.300 I was very upset about that. 00:50:22.300 --> 00:50:24.429 I, you know, cause his attorneys are idiots about it. 00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:31.489 And what they did is they were trying to basically, uh, stop extradition. 00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:33.500 Remember that this all happened in Kenosha, Wisconsin. 00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:35.179 He fled over to Illinois. 00:50:35.210 --> 00:50:40.159 They held him there and he couldn't post bond there given his extradition status. 00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:48.440 And so they were fighting extradition where I was just saying just extra items, send it back to Wisconsin because then he could post bail and get out of custody. 00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:52.610 And guess what happened after they fought the extradition hearing and lost wasted? 00:50:52.610 --> 00:50:58.039 Two months of time, he did go back to Wisconsin, raised the money, posted bail was under custody almost right away. 00:50:58.219 --> 00:51:08.510 So they basically kept him in custody in my opinion, for two months unnecessarily because they're boneheads and they wanted to generate a bunch of money for whatever fund they were raising money for. 00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:14.059 It was pretty, uh, pretty inappropriate, but you know, those were just my opinions on what I saw. 00:51:14.090 --> 00:51:18.769 I don't make any specific allegations, but it looked problematic. 00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:21.019 So, uh, pros and cons releasing people. 00:51:21.021 --> 00:51:24.139 So I think you should go through a case by case analysis on every single case. 00:51:24.141 --> 00:51:24.380 Right. 00:51:24.380 --> 00:51:32.659 And just like you do in any, in any other type of situation, you don't always have blanket rules where you just say for this type of an offense, this happens, right? 00:51:32.661 --> 00:51:37.099 Those are called mandatory minimums and they don't really work all that. 00:51:37.101 --> 00:51:42.800 Well, a lot of people go to prison for things they shouldn't be going to prison for because some bureaucrats somewhere decided it was good to put it on the books. 00:51:43.820 --> 00:51:45.920 When you're talking about release conditions. 00:51:45.949 --> 00:51:56.360 I think it's important to analyze a lot of different factors of a person's prior criminal record, whether they've got a propensity for violence, all sorts of external factors or, or extenuating circumstances, right? 00:51:56.360 --> 00:52:01.099 A person's mental health, some of their support systems, uh, you know, connections to the community. 00:52:02.389 --> 00:52:06.559 There's a lot of different things that we go through that are even in the statutes that come to these determinations. 00:52:06.769 --> 00:52:13.760 But you, you take these on a case by case basis and you don't forget the humanity when we're talking about whether somebody should be released. 00:52:13.789 --> 00:52:19.400 Remember, in this country, we have the presumption of innocence that has not been taken from us quite yet. 00:52:19.610 --> 00:52:23.599 We'll see when they make that attempt, I'm not gas as well. 00:52:23.601 --> 00:52:27.980 It's nice that the judge actually understands the history and the importance of jury

selection. 00:52:28.130 --> 00:52:30.320 It honestly comes off a bit. 00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:32.389 Self-aggrandizing with his little speech. 00:52:32.420 --> 00:52:33.980 That's what he says while it's nice. 00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:35.840 Yeah, it is. 00:52:35.900 --> 00:52:36.619 Yeah, totally. 00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:36.980 Right. 00:52:36.981 --> 00:52:39.380 And I, uh, I noticed that too. 00:52:39.409 --> 00:52:40.039 I'm not gas. 00:52:40.041 --> 00:52:41.420 I watched it right. 00:52:41.449 --> 00:52:45.320 Went on for like 20, 30 minutes, but it's his big debut. 00:52:45.349 --> 00:52:47.940 So his courtroom, you give them the, you let them do it right. 00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:49.429 Happens to happens all the time. 00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:52.789 Speech unleash says, uh, I'm betting this judge is very conservative. 00:52:52.820 --> 00:52:57.500 I would agree with you my guess is that if he is going to be a favorable judge for Rittenhouse, to be honest, yes. 00:52:57.650 --> 00:53:01.159 If Rittenhouse does get convicted of anything, I think the judge will go very light on him. 00:53:01.369 --> 00:53:02.539 That's from speech unleashed. 00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:03.139 I agree. 00:53:03.141 --> 00:53:06.559 I think he's a very sympathetic judge to Rittenhouse from everything I've seen. 00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:08.690 I would 100% agree. 00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:10.250 We've got a couple others. 00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:10.940 Captain. 00:53:10.940 --> 00:53:21.590 Jim says, Rob, from your experience, excuse me, says, do jurors generally weigh the arguments objectively and do what the unbiased fair and impartial jurors are supposed to do? 00:53:21.590 --> 00:53:32.489 Not necessarily a national trial like this, where everyone already has their own agenda, but in 99% of the other cases in our court system, or is fair and impartial and guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, largely a myth. 00:53:32.490 --> 00:53:33.780 Now it's a good question. 00:53:34.110 --> 00:53:39.690 You know, captain Jim, this is a really sort of really big sort of existential crest question about the justice system. 00:53:40.139 --> 00:53:44.940 And there's no one clear answer on this, right? 00:53:44.940 --> 00:53:56.130 You're going to see, I think a lot of displeasure and cynicism and skepticism and people just outright detesting the justice system. 00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:58.860 And there's a good reason for that, right? 00:53:58.860 --> 00:54:00.179 There's a lot of problems with it. 00:54:00.181 --> 00:54:11.789 It also works moderately well given, uh, the, the state of mankind and sort of our inner instincts and the disgusting creep towards totalitarianism and all of that. 00:54:11.791 --> 00:54:18.809 I think, you know, I think it does a moderately decent job of protecting a person's right to counsel and things like that as best we can, right. 00:54:18.809 --> 00:54:24.389 It's still not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it is, it is useful. 00:54:24.510 --> 00:54:30.269 And there are other systems in the, in the country where you don't have the PR or in the world where you don't have the presumption of innocence or things like due process. 00:54:30.539 --> 00:54:37.289 Those are incredibly powerful concepts that fortunately are at least on our books here, even though they're not always perfectly implemented. 00:54:37.291 --> 00:54:44.909 So, you know, in a case like this, you know, I like to say that we walk in with the presumption of innocence and the government has the burden of proof. 00:54:45.329 --> 00:54:46.889 I don't believe that to be the case. 00:54:46.891 --> 00:54:57.389 I think that really sort of, um, you know, speaking anecdotally, many people have already been preconditioned to believe that if somebody got arrested, they probably did something wrong. 00:54:57.420 --> 00:54:57.719 Right. 00:54:57.721 --> 00:55:00.420 And the cops are infallible, right? 00:55:00.420 --> 00:55:01.289 Cops are heroes. 00:55:01.530 --> 00:55:05.070 They show up with a badge and a gun to do duty and they're there. 00:55:05.090 --> 00:55:05.820 They're the good guys. 00:55:05.820 --> 00:55:06.000 Right? 00:55:06.001 --> 00:55:12.239 Good guys versus the bad guys, guy in orange and handcuffs is the bad guy cop in the blue with the shiny badge and the gun. 00:55:12.449 --> 00:55:12.989 Good guy. 00:55:13.260 --> 00:55:15.750 And you just have that sort of indoctrinated into your mind. 00:55:16.019 --> 00:55:21.449 And I can't tell you how many times I've just walked in to, to court with my clients. 00:55:21.630 --> 00:55:24.780 And people just have open dripping distain for the person. 00:55:25.170 --> 00:55:26.369 And they don't even know what he did. 00:55:26.371 --> 00:55:27.690 He's just a defendant, right. 00:55:27.690 --> 00:55:29.579 He's just somebody who just walked into court that day. 00:55:29.789 --> 00:55:32.429 Presumption of innocence be damned due process. 00:55:32.431 --> 00:55:34.829 All of those things all gone right out the window. 00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:37.710 And, you know, I, I, I gotta be honest. 00:55:37.710 --> 00:55:40.889 I did a jury trial one time we, we lost, we lost it. 00:55:41.190 --> 00:55:56.849 And it was a, it was something where I thought just from the look on the juror's faces, when we walked in, just from the look, I thought it was over there, you could see the scorn on their face for our clients, for our client. 00:55:57.019 --> 00:56:00.420 And, and, and just for the whole situation, just dripping with disdain. 00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:08.280 And so, you know, you take a look at a situation like that and you go, I don't know, you know, I don't know that there's anything that any lawyer can do in a certain situation like that. 00:56:08.460 --> 00:56:19.949 You just sort of get a bad draw, you know, and it's, uh, it's a problem, but how else are you going to solve this other, you know, it's sort of like the best solution that we've got. 00:56:19.951 --> 00:56:26.289 And

I have a lot of faith that in, in, you know, in the, where it really matters, it, it can get things right. 00:56:26.710 --> 00:56:28.300 If it's, if it's works properly. 00:56:28.300 --> 00:56:34.900 So, uh, you know, I'm not, I'm not a lawyer who just sort of has know open general disdain for the entire justice system. 00:56:35.110 --> 00:56:54.429 The reason I'm doing the work that we do here, the reason why I'm so passionate about these issues about accountability, transparency, and justice is because I believe in the system, I believe that it needs some, some work and a lot of eyeballs and transparency and oversight, but it is built on the back of some pretty good eternal principles, like the right to privacy, right? 00:56:54.429 --> 00:57:07.389 Like getting a warrant before they just barge into your property, like protecting your right to remain silent, not being compelled to do all of these things are timeless, fundamental concepts that I believe work. 00:57:07.929 --> 00:57:08.860 We just have to get back. 00:57:08.860 --> 00:57:19.869 I think to them to some degree, and our systems are highly politicized, highly, highly incentivized through, you know, money and elections and fi and all of that is problematic. 00:57:20.050 --> 00:57:24.639 But the base system is, is built on timeless concepts. 00:57:24.670 --> 00:57:27.639 And those are the things that I believe in juries. 00:57:27.670 --> 00:57:34.510 You know, sometimes, you know, sometimes juries they're going to come to their own conclusion, regardless of what you say. 00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:48.610 And it's, it's like every defense attorneys, you know, never ending, uh, internal conflict, internal struggle conversation, dialogue that we have with our it's like, what, what do you make of jury selection? 00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:53.349 And I think if you asked a hundred defense lawyers, you'd probably get a hundred different answers from different people. 00:57:53.469 --> 00:57:56.739 I know a big spectrum of people that say, I don't even care about the jury. 00:57:56.740 --> 00:57:57.429 Doesn't even matter. 00:57:58.119 --> 00:57:59.800 Pick any jurors you want don't care. 00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:00.760 Right. 00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:12.460 Cause they're gonna make the same arguments because they've, they've sort of seen that no matter what they do, there's going to be a black Swan juror, or there's going to be somebody who, you know, you ask every single question, what do you watch? 00:58:12.460 --> 00:58:13.480 What'd you have for breakfast? 00:58:13.780 --> 00:58:15.070 What happened to your grandma? 00:58:15.250 --> 00:58:16.389 Tell me about your childhood. 00:58:16.391 --> 00:58:23.590 You can psychoanalyze everybody, but they hear one thing in a trial and they go the opposite direction of what you think of how you think they'll go. 00:58:23.829 --> 00:58:35.349 And so it's sort of like, you know, trying to wrap your heads, hands around something that is just so complex that it's, it's, it's very difficult, but I know other attorneys that like, it's a science, right? 00:58:35.349 --> 00:58:40.480 They go in there, they want a 53 year old woman with blue eyes and brown hair and you go, that's weird. 00:58:40.780 --> 00:58:41.920 And they go, and it works for them. 00:58:41.949 --> 00:58:42.159 Right? 00:58:42.161 --> 00:58:45.010 So different lawyers are going to have different technique. 00:58:45.219 --> 00:58:45.909 Good question. 00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:46.929 I gotta pick up the pace. 00:58:46.989 --> 00:58:48.730 And the dark says two things. 00:58:49.539 --> 00:58:53.469 That's interesting to know that back when he started, these types of trials had to be by loss of question. 00:58:53.590 --> 00:59:01.119 What changed that one would think that men now more than ever, we would want people to find out of the information out of the information loop for a few days. 00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:02.320 I don't know what changed that. 00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:02.559 Yeah. 00:59:02.590 --> 00:59:02.980 I don't know. 00:59:02.981 --> 00:59:11.739 I don't know what the rules are in Wisconsin for people like Richie McGuinness, do they have to say, do they have any say in the prosecutor, adding charges on their behalf? 00:59:11.889 --> 00:59:13.809 From what I recall, Richie's testimony for the state. 00:59:13.809 --> 00:59:16.420 It says Kyle was being chased and they were trying to hurt him. 00:59:16.420 --> 00:59:17.860 At least the one guy reached for his gun. 00:59:17.860 --> 00:59:18.610 So it's kind of weird. 00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:23.449 They would even use his as a witness for starters, but also file charges on his behalf. 00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:24.289 It's a good question. 00:59:24.291 --> 00:59:25.539 On 0.2, they're in a dark. 00:59:25.610 --> 00:59:26.630 And I remember that, right? 00:59:26.780 --> 00:59:28.010 Uh, McInnes, his testimony. 00:59:28.130 --> 00:59:36.920 We read the probable cause statement that was originally, uh, proffered forward here, back in the early days of this, when charges were first filed in the Rittenhouse case. 00:59:37.250 --> 00:59:41.599 And back then it read to me like McGinnis was a witness for the defense. 00:59:41.601 --> 00:59:44.929 He was like every, every, every paragraph was like McInnis said he was running away. 00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:46.699 McInnis said he tried to disengage. 00:59:47.329 --> 00:59:49.489 McInnis said that Rosenbaum was the aggressor going. 00:59:49.490 --> 00:59:49.940 What the heck? 00:59:49.940 --> 00:59:51.469 Why is Kyle Rittenhouse being charged? 00:59:51.471 --> 00:59:52.190 This is insane. 00:59:52.429 --> 00:59:56.539 And so I agree that McInnes, his testimony did seem favorable to Rittenhouse. 00:59:56.539 --> 01:00:05.150 That being said, right, you as a victim, oftentimes people think that you, you know, somebody can sh it's like in the movies cop shows up. 01:00:05.179 --> 01:00:06.289 I don't want to press charges. 01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:06.619 Okay.

01:00:06.621 --> 01:00:07.730 Well, I guess that's it for me. 01:00:07.731 --> 01:00:09.170 Then I'm going to go get a cup of coffee. 01:00:10.730 --> 01:00:11.690 Thanks for the phone call. 01:00:11.909 --> 01:00:12.079 Right. 01:00:12.081 --> 01:00:12.889 It's not how it works. 01:00:12.891 --> 01:00:13.039 Right? 01:00:13.041 --> 01:00:16.670 In a domestic violence case, oftentimes the victim, right. 01:00:16.670 --> 01:00:22.070 Does not want to be, uh, prosecuting their, their spouse. 01:00:22.250 --> 01:00:27.170 And the government says, well, we don't care about that because he committed a crime and you're the, the victim here. 01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:32.059 And so they're going to prosecute it with, or without you, same, same type of thing can happen here. 01:00:32.090 --> 01:00:32.300 Right? 01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:40.610 McGinnis is somebody who may not be necessarily a cooperative witness, but they're still prosecuting. 01:00:40.789 --> 01:00:42.860 Like he may say I wasn't hit, I wasn't shot. 01:00:42.860 --> 01:00:43.429 I wasn't harmed. 01:00:43.429 --> 01:00:44.809 I really don't want anything to do with it. 01:00:44.811 --> 01:00:47.030 They still say you are the victim of reckless endangerment. 01:00:47.179 --> 01:00:50.150 We're going to subpoena you to come to court and testify. 01:00:50.869 --> 01:00:52.369 And they may not need him to say anything. 01:00:52.789 --> 01:00:58.820 You know, I don't know if they're going to call him or not, but they may not need him to say anything other than what he already said. 01:00:59.750 --> 01:01:03.409 And they may think that that gives them strong enough basis to convict Kyle, regardless. 01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:09.079 Even if his testimony did seem like it was favorable, the Rittenhouse who knows if things have changed. 01:01:09.349 --> 01:01:10.309 Good question to Darby. 01:01:10.460 --> 01:01:11.599 A couple more on this one. 01:01:12.050 --> 01:01:26.059 Shade says the little I heard from the judge, I really appreciate not only hit the historical references, but some of the unusual details he noted people take for granted the raw bloody seriousness of history in all cultures nowadays let alone the founding of America respect. 01:01:26.179 --> 01:01:26.389 Yeah. 01:01:26.391 --> 01:01:29.630 So got some kind of, uh, you know, alternate takes here. 01:01:29.869 --> 01:01:32.599 You know, it is good to hear from a judge just to sort of get your bearings straight. 01:01:32.601 --> 01:01:34.219 What does the judge say about all this? 01:01:34.221 --> 01:01:38.300 And now we know we have a bowed. 01:01:38.329 --> 01:01:41.570 Low-rise me says, Hey, Rob, hope your weekend was good. 01:01:42.739 --> 01:01:43.250 Let's see here. 01:01:43.251 --> 01:01:44.539 That was on the Baldwin statement. 01:01:44.900 --> 01:01:48.260 So we'll save that one. 01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:55.989 Let me reopen this and get these, get, get the other questions queued up. 01:01:59.900 --> 01:02:00.019 All right. 01:02:00.021 --> 01:02:01.789 So we'll save that one for the next segment. 01:02:02.269 --> 01:02:14.840 Uh, next up we got little Mandy is here, says, did the judge allow the evidence from the Elijah Schaeffer and of the other reporters on the grounds, video and testimony in the evidence hearing Eliza shaft, Che Schaeffer, Schaffer? 01:02:15.530 --> 01:02:16.849 Uh, I don't know the answer to that question. 01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:20.639 A little Mandy, uh, I don't know the answer to that question. 01:02:21.030 --> 01:02:28.440 I'm not real sure what part of, I'm not sure what you're talking about. 01:02:28.469 --> 01:02:29.400 I apologize on that. 01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:36.119 The Eliza Schaefer, we covered a lot of the different footage and we covered a lot of the pretrial trial conversations that were happening. 01:02:36.121 --> 01:02:53.190 Most of what we were talking about was the, I don't know if you told me what specific video then maybe I could tell you about it, but I don't re I don't know what Eliza Schaeffer is referring to, but we did talk a lot about the, uh, the Daubert hearing and some of the expert witness testimony. 01:02:53.369 --> 01:02:57.449 And they were referencing back to some of the video that was, um, that was played. 01:02:57.451 --> 01:03:07.590 So like one example of the video that we played was when Rittenhouse was walking and got water bottles and they actually police said to him, we appreciate you. 01:03:07.590 --> 01:03:08.280 We really do. 01:03:08.309 --> 01:03:08.519 Right. 01:03:08.521 --> 01:03:13.260 And so that, I don't know if that is Eliza Schaeffer's video, but yes, I think that video is coming in. 01:03:13.260 --> 01:03:17.039 So there are a bunch of those little social media videos that are labeled a bunch of different ways. 01:03:17.340 --> 01:03:19.530 And most stuff is coming in. 01:03:19.739 --> 01:03:37.170 As far as I can tell if I had, if I had to generalize it, this judge said that even during the pretrial proceedings, he came out and he said specifically that there was, uh, his prior precedent essentially was he wants to see most stuff come in, and then he's going to decide what to exclude out. 01:03:37.619 --> 01:03:38.789 So we'll see what he says. 01:03:38.940 --> 01:03:48.119 Leafy bug is here, says, what do you think about judges going on at length about the founders, bill of rights, delivering what seems to be a long history lecture at this stage in the process? 01:03:48.360 --> 01:03:50.369 Do you think he would do this for every jury trial? 01:03:50.371 --> 01:03:55.739 He presides over it's because of the publicity of this trial all seems a bit long-winded to me. 01:03:56.280 --> 01:03:56.730 Yeah. 01:03:56.760 --> 01:03:57.420 I think you're right. 01:03:57.420 --> 01:03:57.960 Leafy book. 01:03:58.320 --> 01:03:59.039 I think you're right. 01:03:59.099 --> 01:04:02.940 You know, I, I highly doubt that he does it for all of his jury trials. 01:04:02.940 --> 01:04:03.989 It was a

long speech. 01:04:04.860 --> 01:04:05.760 Maybe he does. 01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:06.389 I don't know. 01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:11.170 He was also playing jeopardy before it all started. 01:04:11.170 --> 01:04:11.800 Did you see that? 01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:18.550 So while the, while the attorneys were still goofing off, he was actually like, I'm not joking was playing jeopardy with jurors. 01:04:18.579 --> 01:04:23.829 Something about, you know, who climbed the Himalayans in 1940 Madonna. 01:04:24.250 --> 01:04:25.269 Yes, it was Madonna. 01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:26.110 Congratulations. 01:04:26.199 --> 01:04:26.590 Wow. 01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:27.340 Okay. 01:04:27.670 --> 01:04:30.309 So, uh, it was interesting, interesting way to approach it. 01:04:30.909 --> 01:04:32.260 Uh, not really my cup of tea. 01:04:32.289 --> 01:04:32.559 Right. 01:04:32.561 --> 01:04:33.849 I kind of liked judges. 01:04:34.269 --> 01:04:35.710 I actually liked judge Cahill a lot. 01:04:35.710 --> 01:04:35.889 Right. 01:04:35.891 --> 01:04:36.130 Really? 01:04:36.130 --> 01:04:39.130 By the book, you know, defense motions, one through four in order. 01:04:39.340 --> 01:04:39.909 What's your argument. 01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:41.199 You what's your defense. 01:04:41.201 --> 01:04:41.530 Okay. 01:04:41.530 --> 01:04:43.210 I'm gonna review them over the weekend. 01:04:43.210 --> 01:04:44.800 Come back decisions on number one. 01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:45.250 Yes. 01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:45.940 Two yes. 01:04:45.940 --> 01:04:46.780 Three, no four. 01:04:46.780 --> 01:04:47.230 Yes. 01:04:47.980 --> 01:04:48.400 Perfect. 01:04:48.579 --> 01:04:48.820 Right. 01:04:48.820 --> 01:04:50.710 This judge has not been operating that way at all. 01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:52.360 Very organic things. 01:04:52.360 --> 01:04:58.030 Just kind of, you know, maneuver around the edges and they come up and they birth something. 01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:00.130 And then we have to all figure out what's happening. 01:05:00.909 --> 01:05:01.869 That was from leafy, bud. 01:05:01.900 --> 01:05:02.530 Good to see you. 01:05:02.739 --> 01:05:07.179 Another one here from Perry Mason area, he says, oh my God, Rob bloodshed at Turkey day. 01:05:07.960 --> 01:05:11.050 Sorry, but you have to eat out on the deck, bring a coat. 01:05:11.769 --> 01:05:12.550 It will be cold. 01:05:12.579 --> 01:05:13.690 That's for written house. 01:05:13.750 --> 01:05:14.320 That's from Perry. 01:05:14.829 --> 01:05:15.280 Masonary good to see you. 01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:15.639 Perry. 01:05:15.820 --> 01:05:16.869 We have a monster one. 01:05:17.500 --> 01:05:19.269 I don't like this prosecutor. 01:05:19.690 --> 01:05:21.130 He's got a very punchable voice. 01:05:21.130 --> 01:05:22.090 He's look. 01:05:22.090 --> 01:05:22.449 Yeah. 01:05:22.900 --> 01:05:23.769 Thomas binger. 01:05:23.980 --> 01:05:24.309 Yeah. 01:05:24.429 --> 01:05:25.480 Not, not a huge fan. 01:05:25.869 --> 01:05:31.989 Uh, Jake from Oxford says, Rob, normally to display my power over you with the state department, I would change the dim on your light bulb. 01:05:32.019 --> 01:05:33.849 We are trying out new technologies today. 01:05:34.179 --> 01:05:36.099 I will remove the sign behind you. 01:05:37.000 --> 01:05:38.619 That's from Jake Sullivan over at Oxford. 01:05:38.679 --> 01:05:41.500 And you know, it looks naked back. 01:05:41.501 --> 01:05:51.730 There is this that, uh, that's hypersonic missile maybe is China testing something out or is this that secret wave that they have down there in Cuba? 01:05:52.210 --> 01:05:53.739 It's making all of our diplomats sick. 01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:54.400 Hmm. 01:05:54.730 --> 01:05:55.360 Well, either way. 01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:55.900 It's good news. 01:05:55.989 --> 01:05:57.099 That means I'm moving up in the world. 01:05:59.710 --> 01:06:02.199 Uh, uh, Jake from Oxford says it falls. 01:06:02.260 --> 01:06:04.869 Remember certificates, diplomas all over the walls. 01:06:04.871 --> 01:06:05.889 They're all coming down. 01:06:06.550 --> 01:06:07.059 Three girls. 01:06:07.061 --> 01:06:08.440 He says, you're a slot. 01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:11.019 Your sign was slowly coming off the wall, the whole segment. 01:06:11.021 --> 01:06:12.429 It just finally crashed down. 01:06:12.460 --> 01:06:17.739 Oh, I didn't know that, uh, this, uh, this segment is now about my sign. 01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:19.960 Thunder seven says, give me a judge. 01:06:20.019 --> 01:06:20.230 You mean Andrew? 01:06:20.380 --> 01:06:25.090 Andrew's a bit, but he respects the constitution and an OnPoint judge who was an activist that favors banning the second amendment. 01:06:25.239 --> 01:06:30.099 This judge seems like an old fashioned type who loves law and order regardless of a defendant's political leanings. 01:06:30.250 --> 01:06:33.519 What say you Rob happy with the judge? 01:06:33.730 --> 01:06:47.889 Well, I'm not, I'm not quite there yet to under seven on, um, you know, formal opinions on the judge will, will take his, uh, his rulings as they come and call balls and strikes as best we can throughout the remainder of the trial. 01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:52.599 But you know, his, his style is a little bit different, right? 01:06:52.601 --> 01:06:53.949 It's, it's a, it's a different style. 01:06:53.980 --> 01:06:54.840 No question about it. 01:06:54.860 --> 01:06:55.690 Doesn't mean it's bad. 01:06:56.199 --> 01:06:57.969 Just something that's a little bit different. 01:06:58.510 --> 01:07:04.809 And we're, we're going to get to see a colorful trial as a result, speech on Lee says, have you ever witnessed jurors? 01:07:04.900 --> 01:07:12.130 You simply don't want to serve on a jury and just say they would find the person guilty or innocent so they can be removed from jury duty. 01:07:12.130 --> 01:07:12.429 Yeah. 01:07:12.431 --> 01:07:13.570 I mean, people do that all the time. 01:07:13.809 --> 01:07:25.389 So one of the, one of the most common questions that the judges will ask is,

um, and it's not to exclude jurors, but it's sort of instructive is they'll say ladies and gentlemen. 01:07:25.391 --> 01:07:25.630 Okay. 01:07:25.630 --> 01:07:27.190 So a welcome to my courtroom. 01:07:27.190 --> 01:07:32.050 Is there anybody here in the panel of the 50 who, uh, who think that, uh, Mr. 01:07:32.380 --> 01:07:42.610 Guler here is in fact already guilty before you've heard even one word from any of the attorneys seated here, anybody, and you're going to get three or four people out of 50 who go, yeah, I've got, yeah, I think he's guilty. 01:07:43.389 --> 01:07:45.610 And then he goes, okay, well, even though, you know, Mr. 01:07:45.969 --> 01:07:49.329 Four or 5, 6, 7, 8, we have the presumption of innocence. 01:07:49.331 --> 01:07:51.039 He's not actually in fact guilty. 01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:51.940 And do you understand that? 01:07:51.940 --> 01:07:53.079 And they go, yeah, that makes sense. 01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:56.079 And then you say to the next to the next group of people. 01:07:56.530 --> 01:07:56.920 Okay. 01:07:57.550 --> 01:08:02.289 Uh, how many people, uh, don't know whether he's innocent or guilty? 01:08:02.469 --> 01:08:02.469 Yeah. 01:08:02.500 --> 01:08:03.610 How many people just don't know, right. 01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:05.500 No evidence has come forward yet. 01:08:05.710 --> 01:08:07.150 Nobody's presented anything yet. 01:08:07.150 --> 01:08:08.199 No opening are nothing. 01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:10.750 We know he's not guilty, but okay. 01:08:10.751 --> 01:08:11.079 That's fine. 01:08:11.110 --> 01:08:12.309 How many people just don't know? 01:08:13.360 --> 01:08:14.139 And I'm not joking. 01:08:14.141 --> 01:08:16.779 You're going to get, you know, two thirds of the room's gonna go get your right. 01:08:16.779 --> 01:08:17.210 I don't know. 01:08:17.239 --> 01:08:17.989 I have no idea. 01:08:17.990 --> 01:08:18.859 I really don't know. 01:08:20.149 --> 01:08:23.029 And the judge says, thank you for your honesty, but that's also the wrong answer. 01:08:24.260 --> 01:08:27.050 The right answer is, in fact, he is innocent, right. 01:08:27.079 --> 01:08:30.590 This person is, is in fact not guilty. 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:38.810 And so those questions will come up and people regularly will still just double down on that. 01:08:38.810 --> 01:08:40.670 And just know, I mean, I he's arrested. 01:08:40.671 --> 01:08:44.300 He's sitting here, you know, he's sitting here a cop, he wouldn't be here if he didn't do something wrong. 01:08:44.899 --> 01:08:47.090 So the judge will try to separate those people out. 01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:55.760 But even the people who were in the first group, sometimes you'll get people that just go, well, I mean, he's here, he's seated. 01:08:55.761 --> 01:08:56.149 There. 01:08:57.170 --> 01:08:58.189 Wouldn't be there for one. 01:08:58.250 --> 01:08:59.329 Didn't do something wrong. 01:09:00.739 --> 01:09:00.739 Yep. 01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:10.010 Now Darwin says something bothers me about the state and fed lawyering for one citizen over another citizen and trying to tip the scale their way by potentially using a juror with obvious bias. 01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:16.399 Have we always had prosecutors or were things different early on because it just feels wrong to me that people have that right. 01:09:17.180 --> 01:09:19.850 The state or the fed does not. 01:09:20.270 --> 01:09:20.569 Yeah. 01:09:20.600 --> 01:09:26.000 I mean, I think we've had in the United States prosecutors ever since you sort of, you know, we set foot here, right? 01:09:26.001 --> 01:09:30.109 Ever since sort of the old English common law made its way ashore. 01:09:30.670 --> 01:09:31.850 There's always been prosecutors, right? 01:09:31.850 --> 01:09:40.220 Even the, you know, even the, uh, the, the, the British responsible for the Boston massacre were, were prosecuted. 01:09:40.399 --> 01:09:41.810 And John Adams defended them. 01:09:41.930 --> 01:09:42.260 Right. 01:09:42.529 --> 01:10:12.319 I'm not gas as, so I know you're not allowed to discriminate in jury selection, but what is the threshold, especially when certain demographics are demonstrably predisposed to certain opinions and different types of cases based on polling, you can see in self-defense cases, women are not as favorable as jurors, unless the defendant is female black jurors show more racial in-group preference, white jurors, more likely to find defendants guilty, et cetera, and sort of asking, uh, what's, what's the standard here. 01:10:12.319 --> 01:10:14.029 And so let me see if I can pull this up for you. 01:10:14.030 --> 01:10:14.869 I'm not gas. 01:10:14.899 --> 01:10:16.159 Here's how this works. 01:10:17.899 --> 01:10:19.220 Uh, it's called the Batson challenge. 01:10:19.220 --> 01:10:22.010 So if taken a look over here at Cornell, the objection. 01:10:22.729 --> 01:10:32.300 So let's say for example, that you have one, uh, attorney who's just, you know, striking all the black people off of a jury or somebody striking all the white people, it's called the Batson challenge, right? 01:10:32.301 --> 01:10:35.329 It's an objection to the validity of a peremptory challenge. 01:10:35.331 --> 01:10:41.000 It's on the ground that the other party is trying to exclude a potential juror on the basis of race, ethnicity, or sex. 01:10:41.210 --> 01:10:45.020 This was actually brought up in the, uh, in the Shovan case. 01:10:45.050 --> 01:10:47.149 I think the prosecution brought this out actually. 01:10:47.329 --> 01:10:57.109 And so you've got a whole standard here on how you analyze whether one side is, um, is using those in a discriminatory fashion. 01:10:57.140 --> 01:11:01.909 And so, uh, that's where I would point you for further analysis over there. 01:11:02.270 --> 01:11:02.510 All right. 01:11:02.511 --> 01:11:03.859 A couple other questions. 01:11:03.860 --> 01:11:05.479 Where was I over here? 01:11:07.529 --> 01:11:15.449 Former Elio says, unfortunately, a long time ago, I figured

out that the only people seated on jury's we're too stupid to get out of jury duty. 01:11:15.451 --> 01:11:20.130 I apologize in advance for possibly insulting any of my fellow forum members. 01:11:20.699 --> 01:11:20.939 That's wrong. 01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:24.210 That's a reformer Leo, former police officer in the house. 01:11:24.390 --> 01:11:26.550 George Washington says, I'm surprised. 01:11:26.579 --> 01:11:28.739 Judge, Bruce Schrader is still on the bench. 01:11:28.859 --> 01:11:29.369 He was here. 01:11:29.371 --> 01:11:31.109 When we signed the declaration of independence. 01:11:31.229 --> 01:11:32.670 Glad to see he's still in the game. 01:11:32.671 --> 01:11:37.949 Still kicking, still doing jury trials, Jeremy to says, Rob, so many people say they don't like weapons. 01:11:37.951 --> 01:11:40.289 However, I believe they are missing the point of this trial. 01:11:40.291 --> 01:11:45.210 The root question of this trial is do people have the right to defend themselves when they're life is in danger? 01:11:45.329 --> 01:11:48.869 Would Kyle be on trial if he had used any other method to defend himself? 01:11:49.229 --> 01:11:50.250 Assuming, assuming the same outcome. 01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:51.960 I think the true test to measure. 01:11:52.260 --> 01:12:00.539 If he didn't have the right to defend himself as to put the quote reasonable person to the test and see if they let themselves get killed, or if they defend their own lives. 01:12:00.689 --> 01:12:03.449 It's a very good point there, Jeremy, right? 01:12:03.451 --> 01:12:05.250 The reasonable person standard. 01:12:06.659 --> 01:12:12.090 If you were there, if that was your son, does that look like self-defense to you? 01:12:12.210 --> 01:12:19.050 Well, my son would never go there in the first place, but if he were, if he were right there, then we're not asking about that. 01:12:19.051 --> 01:12:19.229 Right. 01:12:19.230 --> 01:12:20.399 We're asking about that moment. 01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:24.840 What a person right then and there, same circumstances, same conditions. 01:12:25.170 --> 01:12:29.729 Would they feel like their life was in danger and be justified in using lethal force to defend themselves? 01:12:32.579 --> 01:12:33.659 People will still tell you. 01:12:33.689 --> 01:12:37.770 No little Mandy says didn't Kyle replace his original lawyer. 01:12:37.800 --> 01:12:38.609 L Lynn wood. 01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:38.909 Yeah. 01:12:38.939 --> 01:12:42.539 Look, Kyle has, uh, I think it was L Lynwood. 01:12:42.541 --> 01:12:44.069 It was also John Pierce. 01:12:44.369 --> 01:12:46.500 John Pierce, I think was the original. 01:12:46.501 --> 01:12:48.630 I don't know if Lynnwood got involved actually. 01:12:48.631 --> 01:12:55.470 Now that you mentioned it, he was sort of in the, uh, in the circle, but it was originally John Pierce, right? 01:12:56.100 --> 01:13:03.539 John Pierce, and a lot of other, just people who, I don't know what they were doing, to be honest. 01:13:04.170

--> 01:13:07.739 And I was a lot more reserved in my criticism of them when it first started. 01:13:07.740 --> 01:13:11.130 But I'm loosening up here on YouTube monster. 01:13:11.131 --> 01:13:13.529 One says was juror 30, the same one as before. 01:13:13.530 --> 01:13:15.239 I think she was the Thanksgiving one as well. 01:13:15.579 --> 01:13:17.399 And so she's clearly just trying to get out of it. 01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:21.510 She's like, I, uh, uh, I have a nephew, I have PTSD. 01:13:21.539 --> 01:13:23.340 I've got Thanksgiving coming up also. 01:13:23.341 --> 01:13:27.090 You know, I don't, I don't, uh, I don't like AR fifteens either. 01:13:27.449 --> 01:13:29.130 Just get me off of this thing, please. 01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:32.909 Somebody, Joe Biden says, I pooped my pants. 01:13:32.911 --> 01:13:34.500 I need to borrow Nadler's diapers. 01:13:34.590 --> 01:13:35.010 Monster. 01:13:35.011 --> 01:13:39.239 One says, if you ever got Lincoln lawyered, what would you do? 01:13:39.420 --> 01:13:42.689 Well, I mean, whatever Matthew McConaughey did, he got out of that. 01:13:42.690 --> 01:13:42.960 Okay. 01:13:42.961 --> 01:13:45.270 Didn't he how'd that movie end that he survived? 01:13:45.329 --> 01:13:50.069 I think so little Mandy says, uh, Eliza Shaffer as a show called slightly offensive. 01:13:50.100 --> 01:13:52.140 He's the one who recorded the original footage. 01:13:52.199 --> 01:13:52.920 Oh, okay. 01:13:58.090 --> 01:13:58.510 Okay. 01:13:58.630 --> 01:13:58.930 Yeah. 01:13:58.930 --> 01:14:06.069 So I, as far as I know, then I think all of that is coming in as far as I know, but I don't know for sure. 01:14:06.220 --> 01:14:07.869 So, so don't hold me to that. 01:14:08.949 --> 01:14:11.050 Uh, there is, this has been sort of a mess of this, right? 01:14:11.170 --> 01:14:14.770 A lot of people really don't know what is coming in until it sort of is time for it to come in. 01:14:15.220 --> 01:14:18.649 Then the judge is going to decide, the judge is like, well, we're going to rule on that. 01:14:18.729 --> 01:14:22.329 And when the time comes and you go, well, it's like, now, like I need to know, am I preparing my case? 01:14:22.331 --> 01:14:23.409 Or can I use this stuff? 01:14:23.470 --> 01:14:24.850 He was like, well, we'll just decide when we get there. 01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:25.210 All right. 01:14:25.479 --> 01:14:28.539 John Halligan says, quality signs are hard to come by. 01:14:29.319 --> 01:14:30.340 You get what you pay for. 01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:31.539 It's a great design though. 01:14:31.750 --> 01:14:31.899 All right. 01:14:32.069 --> 01:14:32.739 No, it's no problem. 01:14:33.670 --> 01:14:36.279 I mean, I'm just going to duct tape the heck out of that puppy. 01:14:36.280 --> 01:14:38.170 It's not coming down ever again. 01:14:38.380 --> 01:14:40.630 Now the RS and the law group, they might come off. 01:14:40.659 --> 01:15:00.890 You know, I can't vouch for those, but as soon as I get off this show, I'm getting a drill, a hammer, a tub of gorilla glue, two tubs to two rolls of duct tape And a lot more three girls, he says, have you ever had anyone bring up jury nullification is the reason why they should not be seated on the jury? 01:15:02.119 --> 01:15:08.899 Uh, no, I did a, um, I D I, I might've told this story before. 01:15:08.900 --> 01:15:13.609 I did a trial one time up in a, it was a jury trial on a reckless driving charge early in my career. 01:15:13.970 --> 01:15:32.600 And I was a up in a, in a little town and there was no real talk of jury nullification, but in little towns, a lot of people have sort of general distain for law enforcement, which is a good thing if you're a defense lawyer, but it's also something where people are very vocal about their words about, about their, their, um, opinions, right. 01:15:32.600 --> 01:15:34.100 They just sort of say, what is out there? 01:15:34.460 --> 01:15:40.069 And there was one case where we were right, just about to get this, this, uh, jury seated. 01:15:40.340 --> 01:15:43.939 And there was a time for us to sort of exercise our strikes. 01:15:44.329 --> 01:15:47.359 And there was one woman who was sort of neutral. 01:15:47.360 --> 01:15:49.880 Like it was kind of like, I, like, I think she'd be fine. 01:15:50.390 --> 01:15:52.880 I wasn't really, you know, real keen on her. 01:15:52.881 --> 01:15:55.489 And I wasn't really real adamant to get rid of her. 01:15:56.510 --> 01:15:58.909 And the prosecution was probably the same too. 01:15:58.911 --> 01:15:59.119 Right. 01:15:59.121 --> 01:16:03.050 Just kind of like this, just kind of, you know, hard to read woman. 01:16:03.500 --> 01:16:06.500 I had other people that, that I think needed a peremptory more than her. 01:16:06.501 --> 01:16:08.270 So she was going to stay same with the prosecutor. 01:16:08.750 --> 01:16:15.020 And so we're going through questioning and the judge is like, it's like, like literally like five minutes before, we're all going to issue our final. 01:16:15.170 --> 01:16:16.430 We're going to have the final jury. 01:16:16.550 --> 01:16:17.239 We're going to be good to go. 01:16:17.989 --> 01:16:20.569 Judge says, and I'm like, ready to go. 01:16:20.989 --> 01:16:22.069 Judge says something. 01:16:23.060 --> 01:16:32.569 And is there anything else that you think that we should know before we, uh, we wrap up our questions and this lady, quiet lady just raised her hand. 01:16:32.570 --> 01:16:34.880 I think I should tell you something, Joe. 01:16:34.881 --> 01:16:35.060 Yes. 01:16:35.060 --> 01:16:35.300 Ma'am. 01:16:35.301 --> 01:16:36.289 What do you have to say to us all? 01:16:36.470 --> 01:16:40.010 And this lady sort of stands up or, you know, raises her hand, whatever. 01:16:41.210 --> 01:16:57.680 Well, I just, I just really hate police officers and I just don't think that I could be impartial if this case involves police officers and I'm just going, oh, she's like, I don't trust police officer. 01:16:57.680 -->

01:16:58.850 You know, I just don't trust them. 01:16:58.850 --> 01:17:00.489 And I just don't believe that they tell the truth. 01:17:00.539 --> 01:17:04.670 I'm just like, uh, not that I disagree with her or I agree with her, right. 01:17:04.671 --> 01:17:10.970 I'm not taking any perspective on that, but that's a great juror for a defense lawyer to have somebody who doesn't trust the police. 01:17:11.539 --> 01:17:19.310 So if she would've just zipped it for five more minutes, we would've striked the other jurors off the, uh, off the panel. 01:17:19.310 --> 01:17:21.920 And she would've got on there and she would have been one single juror. 01:17:21.921 --> 01:17:24.409 That's just like, well, I just don't trust police anywhere. 01:17:25.130 --> 01:17:25.369 Right. 01:17:25.371 --> 01:17:26.689 And so nobody would have seen that. 01:17:26.930 --> 01:17:30.079 I could have never seen that prosecution would have never seen that. 01:17:30.081 --> 01:17:33.649 Any questions we would've asked, you know, nothing flagged her, nothing tipped her off. 01:17:34.250 --> 01:17:35.239 She just volunteered it. 01:17:35.420 --> 01:17:42.140 So you can see, you could have all this, like, you know, very detailed jury science and something like that will slip through that. 01:17:42.140 --> 01:17:43.310 Wasn't jury nullification. 01:17:43.310 --> 01:17:45.380 But that was probably about as close as it's come. 01:17:45.381 --> 01:17:45.560 Right? 01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:46.939 It's like, I don't care what the cops say. 01:17:46.970 --> 01:17:49.039 I don't trust anything that comes out of their mouth. 01:17:49.310 --> 01:17:58.399 So, you know, that's the type of stuff that you'll see, but nobody, nobody ever said anything like, you know, if I get on there, I'm going to nullify the jury or move for that. 01:17:58.729 --> 01:18:02.689 Anyways, AOC says, well, well, well, white guy robbed defending the KKK. 01:18:02.690 --> 01:18:02.989 Again. 01:18:03.229 --> 01:18:22.789 These are some of the white supremacy propaganda that he spews on his racist show, live stream from someone else's pickle, field, hot tub in a bunker wearing nothing but fluorescent bikini, eating beluga caviar and sipping expensive champagne from an unexposed location while getting stuck between 120,000 subscribers and a racist of background lamp that couldn't find brightness level. 01:18:23.029 --> 01:18:27.439 Even if it was sitting next to the sun, man, that is Savage AOC. 01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:29.930 First of all, I never even met you. 01:18:30.020 --> 01:18:30.380 Okay. 01:18:30.739 --> 01:18:37.130 And for you to come on my channel and to grade me like that in front of my own audience is very emasculating and I don't appreciate it. 01:18:37.369 --> 01:18:42.829 And first of all, that lamp is white because I can't put a black color in there. 01:18:42.890 --> 01:18:43.100 Okay. 01:18:43.100 --> 01:18:45.229 That's not my fault. 01:18:45.260 --> 01:18:46.130 That's physics. 01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:49.010 So just take it up with the good maker himself. 01:18:49.130 --> 01:18:49.340 All right. 01:18:49.341 --> 01:18:50.300 And leave me the hell alone. 01:18:50.329 --> 01:18:50.600 All right. 01:18:50.630 --> 01:18:51.289 Thank you, AOC. 01:18:51.291 --> 01:18:51.979 Thanks for being here. 01:18:52.189 --> 01:18:53.210 Appreciate your comment. 01:18:53.569 --> 01:18:56.779 Uh, Sasha Sasha says, Hey, Rob, hope you're doing well. 01:18:56.930 --> 01:19:00.590 One of the rare times that I have a late night shift, I'm able to watch your show live. 01:19:00.591 --> 01:19:02.750 It's a shame on what they're doing to New York city. 01:19:03.020 --> 01:19:07.789 Did you watch the horrific video of this African American man punching a lady in the face? 01:19:07.791 --> 01:19:08.750 And no one did anything. 01:19:08.751 --> 01:19:12.560 What a horrible thing, time to carry a can of wasp spray everywhere. 01:19:12.770 --> 01:19:14.569 That's from Sasha shisha. 01:19:14.899 --> 01:19:23.689 I did see that video Sasha and I saw that woman's, uh, also emasculated man husband or whatever that guy was doing. 01:19:23.690 --> 01:19:27.229 Just sit there and take it to the whole, the whole subway. 01:19:27.260 --> 01:19:28.909 Just sat there and just let that happen. 01:19:28.939 --> 01:19:29.600 It was wild. 01:19:29.779 --> 01:19:32.659 But again, you know, you just don't know what you do in those situations. 01:19:32.810 --> 01:19:33.770 Very weird video. 01:19:33.770 --> 01:19:37.069 If you didn't see it, this woman is on a subway packed subway. 01:19:37.070 --> 01:19:38.779 You have another man who comes on. 01:19:39.140 --> 01:19:41.810 They're obviously in a bad, you know, having a bad day. 01:19:42.319 --> 01:19:45.529 She tells him to chill out and he just clocks her right in the face. 01:19:45.530 --> 01:19:49.520 Totally unwarranted, totally uncalled for, uh, assault, criminal assault. 01:19:49.760 --> 01:19:53.930 And, uh, uh, he just got his kids and walked away and nobody did anything about it. 01:19:53.930 --> 01:20:02.329 So that's the kind of, uh, I guess testosterone, we have roaming around the subways over there, which makes sense. 01:20:02.331 --> 01:20:07.069 I mean, the rest of the city has been basically taken over, uh, Joe Biden's here. 01:20:07.289 --> 01:20:08.039 My butt's been wiped. 01:20:08.041 --> 01:20:08.340 All right. 01:20:08.341 --> 01:20:09.239 So that's good. 01:20:09.479 --> 01:20:12.510 We have social Viking says 100%. 01:20:13.229 --> 01:20:17.220 Self-defense if these shots hit some mega hat attackers, there wouldn't even be a trial. 01:20:17.579 --> 01:20:18.510 It's a good point. 01:20:18.511 --> 01:20:20.340 Social liking it's true. 01:20:20.341 --> 01:20:21.239 You're 100%. 01:20:21.239 --> 01:20:21.479 Right. 01:20:21.480 --> 01:20:23.760 And if this happened, I think after an election year, right? 01:20:23.761 --> 01:20:27.479 If this happened like this year, would it even be a national story? 01:20:28.380

--> 01:20:30.270 I mean, I think it would, but not to the same degree. 01:20:30.270 --> 01:20:30.539 Right? 01:20:30.689 --> 01:20:31.739 They wanted blood. 01:20:31.770 --> 01:20:35.069 This was a, this was, uh, an us versus them moment, right? 01:20:35.070 --> 01:20:41.729 This was the summer of unrest Shovan and you know, Floyd and the whole thing was just a summer of unrest. 01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:42.479 Very peaceful though. 01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:46.380 Monster one says pretty sure Lynn would bailed Kyle out. 01:20:46.381 --> 01:20:47.100 Maybe that's right. 01:20:47.579 --> 01:20:47.789 Yeah. 01:20:47.791 --> 01:20:48.119 It's hard. 01:20:48.149 --> 01:20:49.350 It was a, it was kind of a mess. 01:20:49.350 --> 01:20:49.619 Right? 01:20:49.920 --> 01:20:55.470 You had a lot of these vultures just, uh, parachuting in to get on the back of this case. 01:20:55.470 --> 01:20:56.850 Everybody wanted their 15 minutes. 01:20:56.850 --> 01:20:57.630 It was disgusting. 01:20:57.840 --> 01:21:00.779 Monster one says, Rob didn't you have a baby with AOC. 01:21:01.649 --> 01:21:04.470 Now you don't know her typical deadbeat father. 01:21:04.770 --> 01:21:05.159 It's true. 01:21:05.310 --> 01:21:05.310 Yeah. 01:21:05.310 --> 01:21:05.819 That's true. 01:21:07.350 --> 01:21:08.220 I don't think we did. 01:21:08.250 --> 01:21:09.180 I don't think we did though. 01:21:09.689 --> 01:21:15.359 If we did going to have a lot of explaining to do it to a lot of people, former Leo, but it'd be a good story though. 01:21:15.360 --> 01:21:18.630 Former Leo says Easy-Off oven cleaner works. 01:21:18.631 --> 01:21:21.239 Well, what floor? 01:21:21.569 --> 01:21:25.170 What does that for former Leo for my sign or for removing fingerprints? 01:21:25.409 --> 01:21:29.340 AOC says your lamp is so racist that your sign tried to change its postcode. 01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:30.090 Okay. 01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:30.869 All right. 01:21:30.871 --> 01:21:34.770 My friends, those are great questions over from watching the watchers.locals.com. 01:21:34.770 --> 01:21:41.100 We record live everyday 4:00 PM, Arizona time, 7:00 PM eastern@watchingthewatchersdotlocals.com. 01:21:41.250 --> 01:21:43.319 Come join us when we have these recordings. 01:21:43.320 --> 01:21:44.399 So you can be a part of the show. 01:21:44.760 --> 01:21:46.109 Thank you for all of your support. 01:21:46.350 --> 01:21:46.829 All right. 01:21:46.920 --> 01:21:48.479 And so we're going to jump into the next segment. 01:21:49.109 --> 01:21:50.130 Let's see what else we've got. 01:21:50.159 --> 01:21:52.800 Did we spend an hour and 20 minutes on Rittenhouse? 01:21:53.340 --> 01:21:54.359 Oh my goodness. 01:21:56.939 --> 01:21:57.600 Oh my goodness. 01:21:57.600 --> 01:21:58.470 That's a lot of time. 01:21:58.590 --> 01:22:00.029 We've got two more segments on this show. 01:22:00.090 --> 01:22:00.949 My goodness. 01:22:01.109 --> 01:22:01.829 Ridiculous. 01:22:02.819 --> 01:22:04.920 I love it's a good, it's a good case. 01:22:04.921 --> 01:22:06.060 I'm super excited about it. 01:22:06.779 --> 01:22:07.079 All right. 01:22:07.800 --> 01:22:09.569 So we're going to move on into the next story. 01:22:09.570 --> 01:22:12.270 The next segment, let's get this cued up. 01:22:12.930 --> 01:22:14.880 Alec Baldwin finally broke. 01:22:14.881 --> 01:22:18.869 Silence, came out and gave a public statement on the side of the road with his wife. 01:22:18.871 --> 01:22:21.989 Apparently his kids were in the car crying nearby. 01:22:22.289 --> 01:22:28.109 Apparently the story goes, some press were following him and he needed to just have a conversation, get something off of his chest. 01:22:28.319 --> 01:22:30.390 It was a three and a half minutes statement. 01:22:30.539 --> 01:22:35.369 We are going to play the full thing here, but we're not going to play the full thing in one fell swoop. 01:22:35.371 --> 01:22:36.960 I have it broken up into four segments. 01:22:37.199 --> 01:22:54.510 I also have a transcript of what he said, and I've got some questions about whether this was really the spontaneous little friendly chit-chat that he says it is sounded much more like a scripted nearer, narrated press release that is already framing out some of his defense. 01:22:54.510 --> 01:22:55.920 And so we're going to get into that. 01:22:55.921 --> 01:23:03.090 I want to go back and start by taking a look at the board so that we understand all the different components that are a part of the Baldwin rust shooting case. 01:23:03.329 --> 01:23:08.590 Then we're going to take a look at how Baldwin framed this, talked about it as a one in a trillion incident, right? 01:23:08.619 --> 01:23:11.050 Kind of talking about this as an accident. 01:23:11.289 --> 01:23:15.760 And then also is communicating as though he doesn't know anything about how any of this works. 01:23:15.761 --> 01:23:16.569 I'm just an actor. 01:23:16.750 --> 01:23:18.159 Everybody else is the expert. 01:23:18.161 --> 01:23:21.789 All I do is just show up, say the lines look, good point the gun, pull the trigger. 01:23:21.939 --> 01:23:24.609 But aside from that, I've got no responsibility. 01:23:24.760 --> 01:23:33.369 And so we're going to fit this into our framework and our chain of causation that we've been following along thus far before we get there, let's take a look at the board. 01:23:33.399 --> 01:23:38.050 This is the summation of the various parties that we're talking about in the rust shooting. 01:23:38.199 --> 01:23:42.760 We can see Alec Baldwin is here at the middle and we've got the prosecution and the sheriff on the left. 01:23:42.761 --> 01:23:44.590 We've got how the Hutchens here. 01:23:44.591 --> 01:23:47.619 She is deceased no longer with us and Alec Baldwin here. 01:23:47.979 --> 01:23:53.710 Now, today, previously on this channel, we've talked about Hannah Gutierrez Reed talked about her defense in a prior video. 01:23:53.711 --> 01:23:57.640 Remember she got lawyers, Jason bowls, and

Robert[inaudible]. They released a statement previously, have not heard from David halls, uh, Dave halls, and just now today heard from Alec Baldwin. And so, so we understand what the chain of causation looks like. Remember that it's a sequence of events. And remember the standard narrative that we've heard about in this shooting was that how in the Hutchins here on the left was the armrest who loaded the gun was responsible for maintaining inventory, making sure all the weaponry was in order. 01:24:27.430 --> 01:24:28.899 She gave the gun to David halls. 01:24:29.109 --> 01:24:36.010 David halls is the assistant director who presumably checked the gun, shouted cold gun, and then gave the gun to Alec Baldwin. 01:24:36.100 --> 01:24:39.369 Who of course then pulled the trigger shooting hell in the Hutchins. 01:24:39.489 --> 01:24:43.390 Now, couple of different things here we already heard from Hannah Gutierrez Reed. 01:24:43.539 --> 01:24:53.800 She is trying to sever liability saying I'm not involved in the chain of causation saying that all she essentially does is manage the weaponry. 01:24:53.890 --> 01:24:58.390 She gave it to hauls who was supposed to check it, who gave it to Baldwin, who was supposed to check it? 01:24:58.779 --> 01:24:59.829 Neither of them did. 01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:02.170 She's also blaming the production, right? 01:25:02.171 --> 01:25:07.270 She's saying that Alec Baldwin and the production team, they ran such a shoddy ship. 01:25:07.420 --> 01:25:16.960 They left things in such disarray that there was no way that Hannah Gutierrez Reed could possibly be somebody who could keep a tight ship, run a tight ship who could keep her eye on things. 01:25:17.109 --> 01:25:17.710 Why? 01:25:17.890 --> 01:25:26.649 Because Alec Baldwin, who is a producer and assistant director, David halls, they both led to this sort of problematic production. 01:25:26.829 --> 01:25:32.140 And that escapes that cuts off liability here is what her legal arguments were. 01:25:32.319 --> 01:25:35.350 And we spent a lot more time on that in a prior video. 01:25:35.350 --> 01:25:37.390 That's just the quick and dirty, nuts and bolts of this. 01:25:37.689 --> 01:25:40.210 But now we're talking about it in a different context. 01:25:40.840 --> 01:25:42.729 We're talking about Alec Baldwin. 01:25:42.939 --> 01:25:43.479 He came out. 01:25:43.480 --> 01:25:44.890 Now we have some testimony from him. 01:25:44.890 --> 01:25:57.760 We have a statement from him, a public statement he made for some reason, even though he admits multiple times that he shouldn't be making public statements, probably his attorneys told him this as well, but he did so for about three and a half minutes. 01:25:57.939 --> 01:25:59.409 And so we are going to take a look at it. 01:25:59.590 --> 01:26:02.140 Now we're not going to play the full three and a half minutes here. 01:26:02.260 --> 01:26:05.329 I'm going to play about seconds of the video. 01:26:05.449 --> 01:26:13.489 And then we're going to jump into the transcript and we're just going to do an analysis and then actually break down the testimony or the statement that he gave, because there's a lot in there. 01:26:13.970 --> 01:26:17.000 And when you watch this, you're going to see he's in a, he's kind of shaken up, right? 01:26:17.001 --> 01:26:28.399 He's very, uh, sort of looks like he's almost erratic to some degree, very tense, very tight, almost, almost aggressive and a little bit concerned, shaken up. 01:26:28.670 --> 01:26:32.359 And so w we're going to, we're going to watch it and then read it. 01:26:32.569 --> 01:26:35.359 Cause you're going to see his emotion and then we're gonna read what he says. 01:26:35.899 --> 01:26:39.800 Sometimes it's hard to listen to what a person says when they are dripping with emotion. 01:26:39.920 --> 01:26:41.210 That's why a transcript is important. 01:26:41.359 --> 01:26:48.229 So here is the first segment of Alec Baldwin talking to the media on the side of the road, along with his wife here he is. 01:26:49.109 --> 01:26:49.439 I will. 01:26:49.949 --> 01:26:50.520 What do you want to know? 01:26:51.060 --> 01:26:52.590 What's the coming state and what's going on. 01:26:53.399 --> 01:26:57.390 I'm not allowed to make any comments because it's an ongoing investigation. 01:26:57.479 --> 01:27:01.380 I've been ordered by the Sheriff's department in Santa Fe. 01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:03.300 I can't answer any questions about the investigation. 01:27:03.359 --> 01:27:06.810 I can't, it's an active investigation in terms of a one guy. 01:27:07.579 --> 01:27:08.279 She was my friend. 01:27:09.810 --> 01:27:10.529 She was my friend. 01:27:11.670 --> 01:27:13.500 The day I arrived in Santa Fe to start shooting. 01:27:13.529 --> 01:27:15.779 I took her to dinner with Joel, the director. 01:27:16.770 --> 01:27:19.170 We were a very, very, excuse me. 01:27:19.770 --> 01:27:24.930 We were a very, very well-oiled crew shooting, a film together. 01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:26.550 And then this horrible event of it. 01:27:26.909 --> 01:27:32.489 Now I've been told multiple times, don't make any comments about the ongoing investigation. 01:27:32.520 --> 01:27:34.800 And I can't, I can't, I can't that's it. 01:27:35.369 --> 01:27:35.760 Okay. 01:27:35.909 --> 01:27:41.460 So he's been told that multiple times, but he goes on and he talks for another two and a half minutes after that. 01:27:41.699 --> 01:27:45.720 Now the woman who came up and approached him was his wife Hilaria Baldwin. 01:27:45.899 --> 01:27:48.659 And she sort of gets shooed away, like the help. 01:27:48.689 --> 01:27:48.869 Right. 01:27:48.871 --> 01:27:49.590 She walks up to him. 01:27:49.591 --> 01:27:52.529 He's like, excuse me, excuse me, get out of here. 01:27:52.800 --> 01:27:54.359 And so she just kind of walks away. 01:27:54.360 --> 01:27:54.659 Right? 01:27:54.689 --> 01:27:56.159 Which is always, which was weird to me. 01:27:56.161 --> 01:27:56.369 Right.

01:27:56.371 --> 01:28:05.579 I think as a, uh, as a, as a ho, I'm not a husband, but as a husband, maybe a honey, honey, one second, like sweetheart, like, I've got this, like take a quick step back. 01:28:05.581 --> 01:28:06.239 Let me handle this. 01:28:06.569 --> 01:28:07.409 He's like, excuse me. 01:28:07.439 --> 01:28:08.010 Get out of here. 01:28:08.100 --> 01:28:08.579 Excuse me. 01:28:08.609 --> 01:28:09.180 Get out of here. 01:28:09.449 --> 01:28:12.600 So that was strange in and of itself, but that's a side note. 01:28:12.779 --> 01:28:16.199 Now let's take a look at the actual transcript and see if we can tease out what's happening here. 01:28:16.500 --> 01:28:17.220 Cause you just watched that. 01:28:17.250 --> 01:28:17.550 Right? 01:28:17.640 --> 01:28:20.250 A lot of emotion, a lot of energy coming out of him. 01:28:20.369 --> 01:28:22.109 Let's see what he actually said here. 01:28:22.229 --> 01:28:23.340 It says, let's go speaker. 01:28:23.341 --> 01:28:23.909 I will. 01:28:24.210 --> 01:28:24.479 Okay. 01:28:24.569 --> 01:28:26.489 Alec Baldwin says, what do you want to know? 01:28:26.550 --> 01:28:35.640 Speaker says, all right, Alec, what's the current statement with what's going on with the case, not allowed to make any comments, ongoing investigation I've been ordered by the Sheriff's department in Santa Fe. 01:28:35.909 --> 01:28:38.069 Can't answer any questions about the investigation. 01:28:38.070 --> 01:28:41.039 I can't active investigation in terms of a woman died. 01:28:41.041 --> 01:28:41.670 She was my friend. 01:28:41.850 --> 01:28:43.470 The day I arrived in Santa Fe and started shooting. 01:28:43.470 --> 01:28:44.220 I took her to dinner. 01:28:44.939 --> 01:28:45.869 We were, excuse me. 01:28:45.899 --> 01:28:49.020 That's when his wife comes in, we're a very well-oiled crew shooting, a film together. 01:28:49.020 --> 01:28:50.220 And then this horrible event happened. 01:28:50.220 --> 01:28:54.239 Now I've been told multiple times don't make any comments about the ongoing investigation. 01:28:54.239 --> 01:28:55.500 And I can't, I can't that's it. 01:28:56.220 --> 01:28:56.369 Okay. 01:28:56.371 --> 01:29:00.210 Now obviously he's just getting started because the segment has a lot more to go. 01:29:00.390 --> 01:29:04.859 So he acknowledging that and he's making a statement anyways. 01:29:05.520 --> 01:29:05.789 Okay. 01:29:05.819 --> 01:29:09.479 So look, I know I'm a cynical person at times. 01:29:09.510 --> 01:29:20.399 This is one of those times, and this is one of those times where I think, ah, you know, maybe, maybe he had a little bit more, put more, a little more thought into this then, um, then maybe what they're letting on, because he says he can't make a statement. 01:29:20.400 --> 01:29:24.569 And then we get a full statement, which leads me to believe that they actually thought about this a little bit. 01:29:24.720 --> 01:29:26.579 So here we have another clip. 01:29:27.210 --> 01:29:28.380 He picks it up here. 01:29:28.500 --> 01:29:32.520 And now he's sort of going into the rest of his statement. 01:29:32.520 --> 01:29:33.239 Here's Alec Baldwin. 01:29:34.470 --> 01:29:34.680 Sorry. 01:29:34.680 --> 01:29:42.539 What are the questions that you have other than that you met with the, uh, um, I forget the name of your moment, but you met with the family on the day. 01:29:43.710 --> 01:29:46.770 If you're spending this much time waiting for us, her name 01:29:46.770 --> 01:29:48.159 Is Halina Alina Hutchinson. 01:29:48.161 --> 01:29:49.619 I met with her husband, Matthew and her son. 01:29:53.819 --> 01:29:54.890 I wouldn't know how to characterize. 01:29:55.649 --> 01:29:58.619 There'd be no details. 01:29:59.069 --> 01:29:59.520 Do me a favor. 01:29:59.640 --> 01:30:00.779 I'm going to, I'm going to ask the question. 01:30:02.579 --> 01:30:03.149 I appreciate that. 01:30:03.150 --> 01:30:04.050 He was probably very upset. 01:30:05.069 --> 01:30:05.399 Okay. 01:30:06.899 --> 01:30:07.949 Uh, you know, pretty interesting, right? 01:30:07.951 --> 01:30:14.850 So let's think if you are, are, are a defense lawyer and you want your clients to be very, very sympathetic. 01:30:14.850 --> 01:30:28.470 What do you do while you send them out there and you tell them, you have to immediately identify with the victim, the P the P the person who is no longer with us, you have to go out and show tremendous empathy and tremendous sympathy to, to them. 01:30:28.619 --> 01:30:31.800 And so, boom, you saw that right on point, they said, have you met with her woman? 01:30:31.829 --> 01:30:33.869 Boom, her name's Helena Hutchins. 01:30:33.871 --> 01:30:34.020 Right? 01:30:34.020 --> 01:30:35.130 And they both sort of laughed. 01:30:35.131 --> 01:30:36.210 He goes, you don't even know her name. 01:30:36.211 --> 01:30:40.260 Like you don't even know her name and then switches it right into a conversation about, I met with the son. 01:30:40.261 --> 01:30:42.600 I met with the husband, Matthew and his son. 01:30:42.810 --> 01:30:44.460 And I've been very involved with the family. 01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:48.300 And so a 10 out of 10, as far as I can tell, right? 01:30:48.301 --> 01:30:49.800 That's Oscar performance, right. 01:30:50.010 --> 01:30:51.000 They're really well done. 01:30:51.029 --> 01:30:53.789 And I'm not like I'm being a little bit facetious here. 01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:57.329 I don't want to be disingenuous and say, maybe he doesn't mean it. 01:30:57.479 --> 01:30:59.939 I am also saying that this is perfect. 01:30:59.970 --> 01:31:07.590 If you are a defense attorney and you have to make a statement and you have to go out there and give a public face to something that's happening here. 01:31:07.739 --> 01:31:08.279 Pretty good. 01:31:08.310 --> 01:31:08.970 Go out there. 01:31:09.090 --> 01:31:15.149 You make the media look like jerks and losers for asking you questions about the woman you shot by saying, you don't even know her name.

01:31:15.180 --> 01:31:16.050 I know her name. 01:31:16.051 --> 01:31:18.119 I shot her and killed her, but I know her name. 01:31:18.121 --> 01:31:23.130 You don't, you're just vultures out there who are trying to, uh, you know, sort of latch onto a case. 01:31:23.609 --> 01:31:24.659 But this is a tragedy. 01:31:24.750 --> 01:31:25.529 I know her name. 01:31:25.530 --> 01:31:26.250 I met with her son. 01:31:26.251 --> 01:31:27.449 I met with Matthew, Matthew. 01:31:27.689 --> 01:31:30.390 So you know, very effective in terms of mitigation. 01:31:30.729 --> 01:31:32.880 It's, it's sort of trying to humanize the situation. 01:31:32.881 --> 01:31:36.449 You can see the pain, you can see his wife is all amped up about it. 01:31:36.720 --> 01:31:39.180 All, you know, out there defending him. 01:31:39.390 --> 01:31:40.979 He doesn't know how to handle the situation. 01:31:40.980 --> 01:31:41.909 He's pushing her back. 01:31:42.090 --> 01:31:44.310 So they sort of look like a family in distress. 01:31:44.310 --> 01:31:46.319 Like he's really distraught over this whole thing. 01:31:46.560 --> 01:31:50.159 And he's, he's communicating that well, right? 01:31:50.189 --> 01:31:51.510 I don't call it acting. 01:31:51.511 --> 01:31:57.630 If you want to call it genuine behavior, that's going to be up for the jury to decide. 01:31:57.631 --> 01:32:03.250 At some point, let's take a listen at this transcript says, uh, you met with, what other questions do you have you met with? 01:32:03.251 --> 01:32:05.710 I forget her name at the moment, but you met with her family. 01:32:06.489 --> 01:32:07.600 How now her name is Helena. 01:32:07.989 --> 01:32:10.239 You spent this much time waiting for us. 01:32:10.359 --> 01:32:11.289 You should know her name. 01:32:11.680 --> 01:32:11.920 Okay. 01:32:11.921 --> 01:32:17.500 And so this leads me to believe that these people were actually waiting for them at some turnoff or at some Inn or wherever they're driving from. 01:32:18.279 --> 01:32:18.579 Okay. 01:32:18.939 --> 01:32:27.880 And so this is a nice little, a nice little prompt as soon as, as soon as the speaker forgets her name. 01:32:27.881 --> 01:32:28.960 Forget her name at the moment. 01:32:28.961 --> 01:32:29.350 Okay. 01:32:29.710 --> 01:32:36.640 So somebody who is camping out all day for the Baldwins or whatever, you spend so much time waiting for us and you can't even remember her name. 01:32:36.760 --> 01:32:37.149 All right. 01:32:37.539 --> 01:32:38.560 Uh, says you don't know her name. 01:32:38.590 --> 01:32:41.289 So that gives Alec a good time to sort of, you know, jump in there. 01:32:41.439 --> 01:32:42.460 How'd the meeting go. 01:32:42.909 --> 01:32:44.140 I wouldn't know how to characterize it there. 01:32:44.140 --> 01:32:44.739 Mortified. 01:32:44.740 --> 01:32:45.340 Do me a favor. 01:32:45.341 --> 01:32:46.390 I'm going to answer the question. 01:32:46.420 --> 01:32:47.439 Tell him, telling his wife again. 01:32:47.440 --> 01:32:53.979 I'm

doing the favor And the question or saying, yeah, he was probably upset. 01:32:54.069 --> 01:32:54.399 Okay. 01:32:54.640 --> 01:32:57.489 So then we're going to get into some real meat and potatoes here. 01:32:57.520 --> 01:33:02.170 Now Alec goes off for about two full paragraphs here, this next clips, about a minute and a half. 01:33:02.439 --> 01:33:03.279 I'm just going to let it go. 01:33:04.050 --> 01:33:35.109 And then we're going to unpack it in the transcript where we can break out some of the legal arguments that he's making and keep this in mind in the context of the chain of causation, that the K the circles from Hannah Gutierrez Reed, over to David halls over to Alec Baldwin, to Helena Hutchins, that, that chain of causation here, we're going to watch how Alec Baldwin is trying to break that in this next segment, he's going to try to shatter that reconfigure, that connection to remove himself from that chain. 01:33:35.680 --> 01:33:37.090 And this is where this is where he does it. 01:33:37.091 --> 01:33:37.659 Let's listen in. 01:33:38.590 --> 01:33:39.699 That is overwhelmed with me. 01:33:39.970 --> 01:33:51.619 This is something that, you know, there are incidental accidents on film sets from time to time, but nothing like this, this is a 1 trillion trillion. 01:33:52.840 --> 01:33:56.109 And so he is in shock is a nine-year-old son. 01:33:57.189 --> 01:34:09.460 We are in constant contact with him because we're very worried about his family, his kids, kid eagerly, awaiting for the Sheriff's department to tell us what the investigation has yielded. 01:34:09.909 --> 01:34:13.090 We don't see what'd you ever look on another film set in both. 01:34:13.390 --> 01:34:16.270 So I couldn't answer that question. 01:34:16.329 --> 01:34:18.430 I really don't have any, I have no sense of them at all. 01:34:18.609 --> 01:34:25.689 I do know that an ongoing effort to limit the use of firearms in, on film sets is something I'm extremely interested in. 01:34:26.439 --> 01:34:26.680 Where are you? 01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:35.619 But remember something that I think is important, and that is how many bulk bullets have been fired to the, this is Americans. 01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:37.810 How many bullets had gone off in movies? 01:34:38.050 --> 01:34:43.449 Oh, GP center, billions, 1 75 nearly. 01:34:46.659 --> 01:35:00.770 So what has to happen now is we have to realize that when it does go wrong and it's this horrible, catastrophic thing, some new measures have to take proper guns, plastic guns, no life, no Virginia. 01:35:01.640 --> 01:35:03.199 It's urgent that you understand. 01:35:03.260 --> 01:35:04.520 I'm not an expert in this field. 01:35:05.300 --> 01:35:11.689 So whatever other people decide is the best way to go in terms of protecting people's safety on film sets, I'm all in favor of. 01:35:11.690 --> 01:35:13.939 And I will cooperate with that in any way that 01:35:15.500 --> 01:35:19.250 He's doing a lot of talking for somebody who's not supposed to be making any statements. 01:35:19.520 --> 01:35:21.229 And I know that audio is quite loud. 01:35:21.230 --> 01:35:26.630 There's a lot of traffic roadway, you know, noise there, but he's given a lot of, he's talking a whole lot about this, right? 01:35:26.631 --> 01:35:29.930 Talking about sort of mitigation, making sure this doesn't happen again. 01:35:30.199 --> 01:35:34.430 If you're a defense lawyer, you are screaming at him talking, right. 01:35:34.789 --> 01:35:36.170 Cause you're waiting for him to admit something. 01:35:36.350 --> 01:35:36.350 Yeah. 01:35:36.369 --> 01:35:39.199 You know, maybe we could have done something better with guns in the next movie. 01:35:39.829 --> 01:35:46.819 Maybe we could have a, you know, put the, the, the live rounds in a different toolbox than the dummy rounds or something like that. 01:35:47.149 --> 01:35:49.939 And he's getting really close to those statements without saying anything like that. 01:35:50.420 --> 01:35:52.640 Well, let's listen to, I can't comment on any future projects. 01:35:53.300 --> 01:35:55.100 Uh, but certainly something needs to be done anytime. 01:35:55.100 --> 01:35:55.850 There's a tragedy. 01:35:55.880 --> 01:35:56.930 Don't talk to me about it though. 01:35:56.930 --> 01:35:57.109 Right? 01:35:57.110 --> 01:35:59.930 There's other experts who are much more qualified. 01:35:59.960 --> 01:36:06.260 I just do whatever they say, which brings us to how this is sort of breaking that chain of causation. 01:36:06.470 --> 01:36:08.359 Let's go right back to the transcript here. 01:36:08.659 --> 01:36:10.220 And there's a couple interesting points. 01:36:10.399 --> 01:36:13.939 Number one, where he says, this is a one in a trillion episode. 01:36:13.970 --> 01:36:14.210 Okay. 01:36:14.211 --> 01:36:18.380 So what we're doing here is we're just, you know, one in a trillion, it's a one in a trillion event. 01:36:18.529 --> 01:36:19.130 He's in shock. 01:36:19.131 --> 01:36:25.069 Nine-year-old son, we're eagerly awaiting for the Sheriff's department to tell us what their investigation has yielded. 01:36:25.489 --> 01:36:25.819 Okay. 01:36:26.300 --> 01:36:27.140 One in a trillion. 01:36:27.140 --> 01:36:29.659 We're going to see that he's going to use another term like that. 01:36:29.661 --> 01:36:31.489 He says one in a billion somewhere later on. 01:36:31.490 --> 01:36:35.359 Let's see, uh, you're going to work on another set that involves firearms. 01:36:35.360 --> 01:36:36.350 Can't answer that question. 01:36:36.350 --> 01:36:37.369 No sense of it at all. 01:36:38.750 --> 01:36:39.560 I don't know. 01:36:39.859 --> 01:36:43.939 I do know that an ongoing effort to limit the use of firearms is something I'm extremely interested in. 01:36:44.989 --> 01:36:46.430 Remember, this is something I think is important. 01:36:46.430 --> 01:36:47.600 How many bullets have been fired? 01:36:48.680 --> 01:36:51.170 Probably billions in the last 75 years, right? 01:36:51.289 -->

01:36:58.649 One in a trillion, one in a billion conversation in the last 75 years, it does go wrong. 01:36:58.680 --> 01:37:00.810 This horrible, catastrophic thing. 01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:05.100 Some new measures have to take place, but it's not for me to decide. 01:37:05.100 --> 01:37:05.729 It's urgent. 01:37:05.730 --> 01:37:08.250 It's urgent, but I'm not an expert in this field. 01:37:09.569 --> 01:37:16.020 So whatever other people decide is best in terms of protecting people's safety, I'm in favor of it. 01:37:17.270 --> 01:37:17.270 Okay. 01:37:17.270 --> 01:37:18.029 It's a nice statement. 01:37:18.720 --> 01:37:19.619 It's a really nice statement. 01:37:19.621 --> 01:37:24.449 If you're, if you are concocting together, a sort of a public relations statement there, it's pretty good. 01:37:24.451 --> 01:37:24.600 One. 01:37:25.439 --> 01:37:28.979 I I'm going to rely on what all the experts tell me to do. 01:37:29.369 --> 01:37:32.039 This is a one in a trillion situation. 01:37:33.720 --> 01:37:35.729 I had essentially no wrongdoing, right? 01:37:35.730 --> 01:37:36.779 Cause it's one in a trillion. 01:37:36.780 --> 01:37:39.329 How can you criminalize somebody for something that has those odds? 01:37:40.590 --> 01:37:41.579 It's very hard to do. 01:37:41.939 --> 01:37:54.779 And if he's not responsible for safety or his opinion is not relevant in the development of safety on movie sets, it's kind of hard to hold them to a certain standard on this movie set because he's not an expert in the field. 01:37:54.810 --> 01:37:58.409 He knows urgent, but he's not an expert in the field other people are. 01:37:58.619 --> 01:38:05.399 And so we go from this chain, from this chain of causation where you could arguably say, well, uh, Heather gave it to David. 01:38:05.400 --> 01:38:07.529 David gave it to Alec, Alec shot Helena. 01:38:07.710 --> 01:38:10.289 And so maybe all three of them or responsible. 01:38:10.380 --> 01:38:14.279 In other words, if it, if, if it were not for any one of them, she'd still be alive. 01:38:14.430 --> 01:38:18.119 They all in some way, shape or manner contributed to her death. 01:38:18.300 --> 01:38:27.989 And that's why we're seeing all of them try to ex ex expel themselves from this chain of custody, custody, Alec Baldwin is going to be doing it also right here. 01:38:28.289 --> 01:38:29.399 He sort of right here in the middle. 01:38:29.579 --> 01:38:32.729 And so what we saw from his statement was chance, right? 01:38:32.730 --> 01:38:34.050 This wasn't an accident. 01:38:34.051 --> 01:38:35.939 This was a true accident. 01:38:36.510 --> 01:38:40.979 There was nothing that we could have done to foresee this coming. 01:38:41.130 --> 01:38:42.449 He uses gigantic numbers. 01:38:42.451 --> 01:38:43.710 He talks about billions, right? 01:38:43.711 --> 01:38:50.640 Billions of bullets have gone off trillions of a one in a trillion situation. 01:38:50.760 --> 01:38:51.899 That's something like this, what happened? 01:38:52.380 --> 01:38:56.250 And so what this means sort of legally is that this is not foreseeable, right? 01:38:56.251 --> 01:39:06.210 You can't, you can't be, be, be negligent when, when something was not foreseeable, you're negligent. 01:39:06.211 --> 01:39:09.329 When you know, you should have done something the right way and you didn't do it. 01:39:09.659 --> 01:39:11.579 Cause you knew and you didn't do it the right way. 01:39:11.819 --> 01:39:14.069 You're negligent that that's reckless. 01:39:14.070 --> 01:39:14.729 You knew better. 01:39:14.760 --> 01:39:16.109 You were acting reckless anyways. 01:39:16.380 --> 01:39:22.590 And we went through some of that analysis on the Hannah Reed video, where we talked about that, right? 01:39:22.619 --> 01:39:31.229 Wantonness, recklessness, regular, regular negligence is only is the only thing that's necessary when you're talking about a firearm, but you can't be wreck. 01:39:31.260 --> 01:39:40.079 You can't, you can't have regular regular negligence when you don't know that you have a duty because something is so unforeseeable that it's a random accident. 01:39:40.109 --> 01:39:42.659 One in a trillion, you can't possibly prepare for that. 01:39:42.989 --> 01:39:48.390 So you can't have, you can't have criminal liability because it's one of the trillion, it's one in a billion. 01:39:48.390 --> 01:39:49.829 Nobody could have ever thought about it. 01:39:50.250 --> 01:39:54.630 So Alec Baldwin is trying to just sever this chain right here. 01:39:54.689 --> 01:39:56.369 None of us are responsible for this. 01:39:56.399 --> 01:39:56.550 Okay. 01:39:56.550 --> 01:39:57.689 It's a one in a million thing. 01:39:58.380 --> 01:40:04.109 And especially not him because he was only just one fraction of this tiny accident. 01:40:04.590 --> 01:40:10.350 And the other way that Baldwin is trying to sort of maneuver this thing or, you know, unintentionally or, but this is just sort of what's happening. 01:40:10.350 --> 01:40:15.270 I think even logically in his subconscious is to just sort of remove himself from the entire equation. 01:40:15.270 --> 01:40:16.710 You can see, this is a great out here. 01:40:17.010 --> 01:40:20.939 Alec Baldwin is just not really even involved in anything, right. 01:40:20.940 --> 01:40:24.060 He's just sort of a, a mechanical person. 01:40:24.239 --> 01:40:26.939 Who's just saying something and pulling the trigger. 01:40:26.970 --> 01:40:28.489 You could have a robot there, right. 01:40:28.539 --> 01:40:41.279 Just kind of do things and that's, it, it there's, there's no mechanism in, in this chain, by which he supposed to double check something or do anything that would've prevented him from being killed. 01:40:41.699 --> 01:40:41.970 Right. 01:40:42.090 --> 01:40:45.630 He needs a director who directs him, what to do every which way you turn. 01:40:46.079 --> 01:40:47.640 So he's not an expert. 01:40:47.640 --> 01:40:51.930 As he mentioned in his statement, I don't know

anything about this stuff, whatever they say to do. 01:40:52.409 --> 01:40:52.409 Amen. 01:40:52.989 --> 01:40:53.590 I don't care. 01:40:53.649 --> 01:40:57.369 I know it's urgent and I'm willing to do anything, but it's outside of my scope. 01:40:58.270 --> 01:41:02.710 I am just not educated enough to have a solid opinion on what needs to be done. 01:41:02.890 --> 01:41:08.409 Therefore I'm going to remove myself from the chain of custody from the chain of causation here, and everybody else responsible. 01:41:09.909 --> 01:41:13.750 He's just an innocent bystander, just taking orders. 01:41:13.930 --> 01:41:15.130 Everybody else is an expert. 01:41:15.460 --> 01:41:18.460 And then in our last segment, we're going to see they close this out. 01:41:18.461 --> 01:41:19.810 We'll we'll do this one in reverse. 01:41:19.930 --> 01:41:24.010 Here is the actual transcript says, do you need, have any further projects in the work? 01:41:24.011 --> 01:41:24.250 Nothing. 01:41:24.251 --> 01:41:30.399 I can talk about why Vermont Alec, why Hilaria says, because we just it's private. 01:41:30.909 --> 01:41:31.600 No, that's personal. 01:41:31.600 --> 01:41:31.779 Yeah. 01:41:31.780 --> 01:41:32.409 That's private. 01:41:32.411 --> 01:41:32.979 Anything else? 01:41:33.460 --> 01:41:34.359 So just do me a favor. 01:41:34.360 --> 01:41:35.020 Don't you mind? 01:41:35.289 --> 01:41:43.210 My kids are in the car crying because you guys are following them and they know, but all I want to do as a courtesy to you, I came to talk to you. 01:41:43.211 --> 01:41:45.250 I'm not allowed to comment on the investigation. 01:41:46.060 --> 01:41:49.270 All I want to do as a courtesy to you, I came to talk to you. 01:41:49.539 --> 01:41:51.399 I'm not allowed to comment on the investigation. 01:41:51.550 --> 01:41:52.899 I talked to the cops every day. 01:41:53.050 --> 01:41:54.310 I talked to them every day. 01:41:56.289 --> 01:42:00.729 So it kind of sounds like he walked over to them, but the kids were in the car crying nearby. 01:42:01.210 --> 01:42:03.430 Here's this and the actual transcript stops. 01:42:03.460 --> 01:42:04.720 We actually have more video than we do. 01:42:04.720 --> 01:42:05.439 Transcripts are here. 01:42:05.440 --> 01:42:05.829 That is. 01:42:06.640 --> 01:42:10.750 And then you present projects in the works at the moment or has everything that's irrelevant. 01:42:12.489 --> 01:42:14.229 Do you think production will start up again on that? 01:42:17.199 --> 01:42:17.619 Was there anything else? 01:42:17.649 --> 01:42:18.850 Why Vermont Alex is? 01:42:20.109 --> 01:42:20.470 No, no, no, no. 01:42:20.619 --> 01:42:21.409 That's a person that's quite good. 01:42:21.520 --> 01:42:21.699 That's fine. 01:42:22.180 --> 01:42:22.390 Anybody else? 01:42:22.420 --> 01:42:24.670 Okay, so just do me a favor. 01:42:24.671 --> 01:42:30.039 You don't mind my kids are in the car crying because you guys are following as a courtesy to you. 01:42:30.041 --> 01:42:32.590 I came to talk to, I'm not allowed to comment on the investigation. 01:42:32.770 --> 01:42:40.239 I talked to the cops every day, every day to find them I'm cooperating with them before. 01:42:40.250 --> 01:42:43.149 So my point is, is that, is it I'm just asking. 01:42:43.239 --> 01:42:45.729 We sat down as a courtesy now to talk to you, please. 01:42:45.819 --> 01:42:47.380 Would you just stop following us for the rest of this? 01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:47.649 Leave us. 01:42:48.189 --> 01:42:48.909 We gave them everything. 01:42:48.911 --> 01:42:53.710 We can turn it off. 01:42:55.340 --> 01:42:55.760 Okay. 01:42:55.789 --> 01:43:02.569 So that was the Alec Baldwin statement pretty well done for a very impromptu statement on the side of the road. 01:43:02.720 --> 01:43:03.020 Yeah. 01:43:03.470 --> 01:43:03.739 All right. 01:43:03.740 --> 01:43:08.239 Well, let's see what you have to say about it over@watchingthewatchersdotlocals.com. 01:43:08.300 --> 01:43:11.060 We've got some questions coming in hot. 01:43:11.090 --> 01:43:11.979 Let's see here. 01:43:12.100 --> 01:43:14.000 I had one saved, queued up earlier. 01:43:14.960 --> 01:43:18.619 This one was from[inaudible] and he says, Rob, I hope your weekend was good. 01:43:18.621 --> 01:43:18.800 Right? 01:43:18.801 --> 01:43:19.760 Back out to battle the rice. 01:43:19.761 --> 01:43:31.489 As I saw Alex roadside press conference, he had a blank look on his face when he unloaded on the reporters, thought it was funny when he got triggered, when his wife tried to stop him from executing a full press conference, does he have prop lawyers or, and not real ones? 01:43:31.640 --> 01:43:36.380 Cause you'd think as a safety precaution, they'd hire a silencer to keep Alec from going off seriously though. 01:43:36.649 --> 01:43:38.270 I like it, but he needs to shut up. 01:43:38.300 --> 01:43:39.710 Yeah, I, yeah. 01:43:39.770 --> 01:43:44.930 I mean, unless that was the statement they wanted to go out. 01:43:45.710 --> 01:43:46.369 Just say it. 01:43:46.699 --> 01:43:46.909 Yeah. 01:43:46.939 --> 01:43:48.109 Otherwise yeah, shut up. 01:43:48.140 --> 01:43:52.310 Unless, unless it's very, very, very articulated statement. 01:43:52.489 --> 01:43:55.369 Little Mandy says, uh, Nope, that was from the last segment. 01:43:55.371 --> 01:43:58.609 So I forgot we, uh, we had that one there. 01:44:02.449 --> 01:44:02.869 Okay. 01:44:02.871 --> 01:44:06.529 So my questions are a little bit out of order here. 01:44:07.640 --> 01:44:08.149 All right here. 01:44:08.150 --> 01:44:09.829 We've got Baldwin Perry, Mason. 01:44:10.039 --> 01:44:11.899 He says, Rob isn't Alec Baldwin. 01:44:11.900 --> 01:44:13.489 The spokesperson for gun safety. 01:44:13.789 --> 01:44:16.130 If so, look over there. 01:44:16.369 --> 01:44:17.779 Nothing going on here. 01:44:17.810 --> 01:44:22.550 Yeah, he was very aggressive against a firearm ownership. 01:44:22.670 --> 01:44:25.640 Sasha SEASHA says tinfoil hat moment.

01:44:26.060 --> 01:44:28.430 I heard how the Hutchins has some connection with the Clintons. 01:44:28.609 --> 01:44:34.550 Not sure how true that is, but if it were true, that is some crazy shiny tin foil hat stuff. 01:44:34.579 --> 01:44:36.020 I love me some tinfoil hat stuff. 01:44:36.199 --> 01:44:37.220 No, no question about that. 01:44:37.760 --> 01:44:39.079 I don't believe any of these people. 01:44:39.140 --> 01:44:44.779 So I like to, uh, to dig in and see some evidence before I take their word for it. 01:44:44.989 --> 01:44:47.390 I'm not gas as if I was Baldwins lawyer. 01:44:47.390 --> 01:44:53.090 I would literally lock them in a basement until the trial date a narcissist with a platform would be the worst client to have. 01:44:53.479 --> 01:44:53.869 Yeah. 01:44:54.619 --> 01:44:55.760 But I don't think he's stupid. 01:44:56.300 --> 01:44:59.329 I think he's probably following instructions pretty well. 01:45:00.140 --> 01:45:05.720 I just saying, be brave says, look at you, go with all those transcripts and charts. 01:45:05.720 --> 01:45:06.229 Love it. 01:45:06.560 --> 01:45:08.630 Well, you know, be brave, you know, we're trying to deliver here. 01:45:08.939 --> 01:45:10.819 I'm trying to deliver a decent show. 01:45:11.510 --> 01:45:19.189 Try my best Jeremy MITRE to says, speaking to the bystander effect, I believe it has been amplified and transformed into the bystander videographer effect. 01:45:19.399 --> 01:45:21.289 People will typically fall into two categories. 01:45:21.291 --> 01:45:23.720 The quote, I don't want to be on the five o'clock news person. 01:45:23.930 --> 01:45:26.989 And this might be my first viral video person has for Baldwin. 01:45:27.170 --> 01:45:29.779 He was reliving his Trump impression when he said, excuse me. 01:45:30.140 --> 01:45:35.689 As he was trying to say, he isn't allowed to comment on the investigation, followed by commenting on the investigation. 01:45:37.430 --> 01:45:40.579 Yeah, it didn't, it didn't seem very in sync to me. 01:45:40.609 --> 01:45:42.020 And I think you picked up on that too. 01:45:42.020 --> 01:45:46.699 Jeremy plead the fifth says isn't it better for the lawyer to do the PR, not the person. 01:45:46.701 --> 01:45:54.050 What an idiot Alex should have used the pot brothers at law script of pleading the fifth and let your lawyer do the PR just a narcissist. 01:45:54.051 --> 01:45:55.069 You can't shut his mouth. 01:45:57.470 --> 01:45:58.069 Uh, yeah. 01:45:59.180 --> 01:46:07.670 Alec Baldwin's ego is here, says haven't you seen the perfect monologue, stellar performance and Glen Gary, Glen Ross, uh, because only one thing counts in life. 01:46:07.699 --> 01:46:14.180 Get them to sign on the line, which is dotted a, B, C, always a a, B, B, C, closing. 01:46:14.210 --> 01:46:15.439 Always be closing. 01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:17.239 Always be closing ABC. 01:46:17.240 --> 01:46:18.829 Yeah, it's a great scene. 01:46:18.831 --> 01:46:19.489 It's a good one. 01:46:21.260

--> 01:46:27.409 The leads Perry, Mason masonary says arrest conviction and jail time. 01:46:27.411 --> 01:46:28.760 He is not privileged. 01:46:29.390 --> 01:46:29.989 Good comment. 01:46:30.710 --> 01:46:34.100 Soros prosecutor says the da is a Soros prosecutor issue. 01:46:34.250 --> 01:46:37.100 And most likely not charge him because he donates to liberal causes. 01:46:37.100 --> 01:46:43.489 I would be quite surprised if Alec gets charged because of the corrupt prosecutors note political corruption is in the court system. 01:46:43.909 --> 01:46:44.569 That is true. 01:46:44.570 --> 01:46:45.590 There's no doubt about that. 01:46:45.591 --> 01:46:49.800 We did cover the prosecutor in that case, but I didn't see any of that stuff. 01:46:50.010 --> 01:46:54.779 She ran unopposed in 2020, uh, after a grueling primary. 01:46:54.780 --> 01:46:57.119 So she did have an aggressive democratic primary. 01:46:57.510 --> 01:47:09.810 So there probably was funding there, but I don't know where that came from or if she has any loyalties, but uh, certainly worth asking little Mandy says just like Alec to blame the gun and the gun laws, not the idiot who pulled the trigger. 01:47:09.960 --> 01:47:17.880 If there had been one person from the NRA there, it wouldn't have happened, but there's a 1 trillion chance of that happening on his set. 01:47:18.449 --> 01:47:19.229 They wouldn't do that. 01:47:19.500 --> 01:47:23.010 They demonize all the gun people, maybe a simple NRA class would have helped. 01:47:23.430 --> 01:47:28.020 Former Leo says, never heard an Elio, tell a suspect to stop talking and mean it. 01:47:28.020 --> 01:47:32.220 Give them a random transport them while they are yelling and trying to spit on you through the plexiglass. 01:47:32.250 --> 01:47:34.500 All I usually did was tell them, shut up. 01:47:34.500 --> 01:47:36.210 Nobody cares about what you have to say. 01:47:36.720 --> 01:47:38.039 Do they still call it excited? 01:47:38.069 --> 01:47:39.390 Utterance, utterances. 01:47:39.569 --> 01:47:41.609 I hope this doesn't make me look like a bad guy. 01:47:42.000 --> 01:47:42.899 Just a working guy. 01:47:42.960 --> 01:47:43.710 No, it doesn't. 01:47:44.939 --> 01:47:45.359 I've heard. 01:47:45.360 --> 01:47:46.439 I've heard worse than that. 01:47:46.500 --> 01:47:46.979 No worries. 01:47:47.279 --> 01:47:47.760 Excited. 01:47:47.761 --> 01:47:48.300 Utterances. 01:47:48.301 --> 01:47:48.539 Yeah. 01:47:48.541 --> 01:47:59.069 So, so, you know, Miranda really the, the quick and dirty of when it applies, when you're in custody and you're being interrogated, got to have both of those conditions in order for Miranda to apply. 01:47:59.340 --> 01:48:14.670 But if it does apply or if it doesn't even apply and you just start saying, you start uttering things, excitedly my cost and problems in your case B and if that's bad information, be brave says, I think this interview is genuine. 01:48:14.671 --> 01:48:15.779 Baldwin looks like crap. 01:48:15.810 --> 01:48:20.279 However, he's already been coached and has Le and has learned well, good client. 01:48:21.060 --> 01:48:21.569 I don't know. 01:48:22.529 --> 01:48:23.460 Probably not. 01:48:23.760 --> 01:48:33.239 Can't imagine he is well, endowed penguin says if Alec received a firearm safety training at any point in his career, could this be used to illustrate how he should have checked the rounds in the chamber for blanks? 01:48:33.569 --> 01:48:36.000 It, uh, you know, arguably yes. 01:48:36.001 --> 01:48:36.180 Right. 01:48:36.180 --> 01:48:38.100 What we're talking about here is negligence. 01:48:38.189 --> 01:48:49.199 And they talk, we, we covered this in the prior video where we talk specifically about negligence involving firearms and that you don't need gross negligence under the involuntary manslaughter category. 01:48:49.201 --> 01:48:53.609 And so, yeah, I mean, when you talk about negligence, then the next question is, well, what is somebody's duty? 01:48:53.610 --> 01:48:54.989 What is negligent behavior? 01:48:54.990 --> 01:48:56.640 What is standard behavior? 01:48:56.760 --> 01:48:59.909 When does standard behavior fall below the line and become negligent behavior? 01:49:00.689 --> 01:49:07.649 And so part of that analysis is, does a person know about that standard? 01:49:08.369 --> 01:49:10.890 Does Alec Baldwin know about firearm safety? 01:49:10.920 --> 01:49:13.739 Presumably he's done a lot of guns, a lot of movies with a lot of guns. 01:49:13.740 --> 01:49:17.789 I would guess speech unleash says a few points. 01:49:18.239 --> 01:49:23.279 One sounds like he was acting when he was delivering that the excuse me, that was wife was more like get out of my way. 01:49:23.279 --> 01:49:24.239 You are ruining my scene. 01:49:24.240 --> 01:49:26.369 By the way his wife is a bad-ass absolutely lover. 01:49:26.520 --> 01:49:28.020 She seems more upset than he does. 01:49:28.199 --> 01:49:35.279 He said he isn't an expert on gun safety on a movie set, but somehow he believes he has enough gun knowledge to say private citizens shouldn't have guns. 01:49:36.689 --> 01:49:46.050 Lot of double standards, their speech, no question, Alex, bold winning says, uh, I know it looks like I'm grinning and smiling while I'm talking about my friend's death. 01:49:46.051 --> 01:49:48.489 But I swear it's just my Botox. 01:49:48.640 --> 01:49:49.539 This won't happen again. 01:49:49.541 --> 01:49:51.789 I am training my wife to hold the camera next time. 01:49:52.630 --> 01:49:55.899 She's not as annoying one in a zillion of a half of it happening again. 01:49:55.900 --> 01:49:56.170 Right? 01:49:56.171 --> 01:50:06.100 So that's Al Alec Baldwin, NG president Trump is here making fun of Alec Baldwin, couple others coming in VNT. 01:50:06.279 --> 01:50:09.340 Cause this here says something about him just seems fake to me. 01:50:09.939 --> 01:50:11.289 I can't put my finger on it. 01:50:12.100 --> 01:50:14.590 I kind of got that same

impression, but I don't know. 01:50:14.739 --> 01:50:19.630 Sweet PO Taito says, uh, taking someone's at dinner doesn't mean your friends are especially close. 01:50:19.631 --> 01:50:20.350 It's called work. 01:50:20.529 --> 01:50:23.500 I've gone to many, a lunch with people I wouldn't associate with outside of work. 01:50:23.501 --> 01:50:26.890 I don't know that shows particular care for her because they had dinner together. 01:50:27.010 --> 01:50:28.630 His siting of facts shows. 01:50:28.631 --> 01:50:30.609 He was clearly he's clearly done research. 01:50:30.610 --> 01:50:34.420 It seems rehearsed that he's prompting for something to be done urgently about. 01:50:34.421 --> 01:50:41.710 It feels sus if it was an accident, why wouldn't, why would something need to be done about it and urgently? 01:50:42.039 --> 01:50:42.640 It's a good question. 01:50:43.300 --> 01:50:47.199 Little logical inconsistency there, especially if it's a one in a trillion thing too. 01:50:47.409 --> 01:50:47.409 Right? 01:50:47.500 --> 01:50:49.449 So we potato, why do you have to do anything? 01:50:50.050 --> 01:50:54.520 If this is a one in a trillion offshoot also, why is his wife recording? 01:50:54.520 --> 01:50:55.810 Why are they pulled over on the highway? 01:50:55.810 --> 01:51:00.069 If kids are in the car, more bad judgment, do you think he did it on purpose? 01:51:00.670 --> 01:51:02.260 I want to hear your lawyer answer. 01:51:04.210 --> 01:51:09.640 Well, you know, sweet potato part of the mysticism of this show is, you know, I never answered anything. 01:51:11.119 --> 01:51:11.649 Well, I'm a lawyer. 01:51:11.650 --> 01:51:14.979 And that's part of what we do is we always say the real answer is it depends. 01:51:14.980 --> 01:51:17.890 You know, it just sorta depends on, uh, any particular fact. 01:51:17.899 --> 01:51:19.359 So hopefully that helps. 01:51:19.390 --> 01:51:20.050 Next question. 01:51:20.051 --> 01:51:26.560 We've got, let's go brand and says, if this scene was a suicide scene and he checked the rounds, would this go against him? 01:51:29.260 --> 01:51:32.619 Well, that's a good, that's a good question. 01:51:34.420 --> 01:51:40.479 You're saying he would check it before he shot himself, but he would, he wouldn't check it before he pulled it at somebody else. 01:51:40.480 --> 01:51:43.359 I see what you're saying there, but we would never know. 01:51:43.600 --> 01:51:43.840 Right? 01:51:43.841 --> 01:51:46.899 Because you wouldn't, you, you can't do both at the same time. 01:51:46.900 --> 01:51:48.819 One has to come before the other Mustang. 01:51:48.820 --> 01:51:50.859 Jeff says, don't, we deserve to know the truth. 01:51:50.860 --> 01:51:54.640 Doesn't the possessor of the firearm bear the responsibility of what damage it can do. 01:51:55.600 --> 01:51:56.380 It's going to depend. 01:51:56.381 --> 01:51:58.840 I think a lot of people are going to be split on that question. 01:51:59.050 --> 01:52:03.250 And monster one says, I can't

believe I'm about to defend Baldwin. 01:52:03.251 --> 01:52:04.510 It's not his fault. 01:52:04.720 --> 01:52:07.840 Dummy rounds look exactly like a real rounds, except they don't have powder. 01:52:08.770 --> 01:52:11.380 He was handed a gun which was supposed to contain dummy rounds. 01:52:11.560 --> 01:52:14.949 Even if you looked in the cylinder, he wouldn't know the difference. 01:52:14.949 --> 01:52:18.819 I just puked a little, well, hang in there, monster one, hang in there. 01:52:19.210 --> 01:52:20.890 You know, I might be defending them too here. 01:52:20.890 --> 01:52:21.220 Soon. 01:52:21.819 --> 01:52:23.890 We just like to play around with these ideas a little bit. 01:52:24.159 --> 01:52:24.369 Yeah. 01:52:24.399 --> 01:52:26.859 I mean, if he gets charged with the crime, you better believe I'll defend his butt. 01:52:27.880 --> 01:52:31.810 So it might, it might turn into a whole little narrative change over here. 01:52:32.979 --> 01:52:34.270 Strange bedfellows. 01:52:34.750 --> 01:52:42.430 Listen, you know, I, I do think that, you know, celebrities and, and different people have certain statures in our society. 01:52:42.430 --> 01:52:44.739 They have a different set standard of justice. 01:52:44.989 --> 01:52:50.479 But also I believe that everybody deserves, you know, in the presumption of innocence, Alec Baldwin included, everybody included. 01:52:50.720 --> 01:53:06.470 So, you know, that's a bigger concept, even though we can come on here and sort of, you know, dunk on Baldwin and whatever, because he's been a hypocrite and uh, you know, somebody who's not even nice about it doesn't mean that that should overshadow the presumption of innocence in any way, shape or form. 01:53:06.470 --> 01:53:12.949 So, uh, I, I hear what you're saying, monster one and we'll see what the evidence shows still a lot, a lot of road left on this one. 01:53:13.130 --> 01:53:19.100 The last villain says the wife is annoyed because her fairytales effectively over, you should just start divorce proceedings. 01:53:19.100 --> 01:53:24.619 Now far too unpleasant to be married with without the flash wife seems like she'll for the status. 01:53:24.649 --> 01:53:27.260 Probably not being fair to her, but I'm an a-hole. 01:53:28.279 --> 01:53:28.460 All right. 01:53:28.461 --> 01:53:29.119 Well, there you go. 01:53:29.121 --> 01:53:37.340 That's from the last villain and I think we've got one more on this segment before we jump into our final segment of the show says, I thought blank rounds and not dummy rounds. 01:53:37.341 --> 01:53:37.489 Yeah. 01:53:37.490 --> 01:53:46.039 So that's from F who was responding to, I think monster one monster one was saying it was a dummy round, but not so sure that it was a dummy round. 01:53:46.041 --> 01:53:49.159 It might've been a blank round so that you could get the explosion out of the gun. 01:53:50.449 --> 01:53:54.229 But again, we don't know more will be revealed to all of us, my friends. 01:53:54.230 --> 01:54:03.470 And hopefully you stick around with the show while we dig into it here and@watchingthewatchersdotlocals.com, where we record the show every day, 4:00 PM, Arizona time, 7:00 PM Eastern. 01:54:03.710 --> 01:54:06.439 I certainly hope to see you and thank you everybody for your support. 01:54:06.770 --> 01:54:07.189 Okay. 01:54:07.399 --> 01:54:09.859 And we've got one final segment on the show today. 01:54:11.180 --> 01:54:11.689 Oh yeah. 01:54:12.229 --> 01:54:13.579 We're getting into some VAX stuff. 01:54:13.609 --> 01:54:17.060 We haven't really talked much about the vac stuff, but today's wild day. 01:54:17.060 --> 01:54:18.229 Everything is falling apart. 01:54:18.260 --> 01:54:18.680 Okay. 01:54:21.109 --> 01:54:22.279 How do I want to start this? 01:54:24.239 --> 01:54:25.079 Yes. 01:54:28.199 --> 01:54:29.159 There's a mass Exodus. 01:54:29.161 --> 01:54:31.350 That's continuing well across the country. 01:54:31.560 --> 01:54:35.550 As different industries are sort of systematically being evaporated. 01:54:35.729 --> 01:54:50.579 We here today in this segment from firefighters, from people who used to work at prisons, we hear from police and we hear from the military, all that are different industries that are slowly, excommunicating very important employees. 01:54:50.581 --> 01:54:58.199 People who've been with these industries for a long period of time, all being, uh, not even thanked for their service, but just being shown the door. 01:54:58.380 --> 01:54:59.760 And so we're going to go around the country. 01:54:59.761 --> 01:55:03.869 We're going to check in with different people, firefighters, police, prison officials. 01:55:03.989 --> 01:55:08.130 We have military over at the U S Marine Corps and they've got a new order out. 01:55:08.131 --> 01:55:11.520 That's going to be throwing out a bunch of the unvaccinated Marines. 01:55:11.520 --> 01:55:19.079 The people who are not refuses are refusing to just sort of bend the knee and acquiesce to whatever the government tells them to do. 01:55:19.409 --> 01:55:23.279 They have a different idea for how they should be able to manage their own lives. 01:55:23.609 --> 01:55:25.079 Government unhappy about that. 01:55:25.081 --> 01:55:28.079 And so the penalty, the recourse you're gone, you're out of here. 01:55:28.260 --> 01:55:29.819 So let's go around the country. 01:55:29.820 --> 01:55:31.800 We're going to start in New York city, as we often do. 01:55:32.310 --> 01:55:36.630 And they, at this moment in time, they are begging for volunteer firefighters. 01:55:36.659 --> 01:55:38.399 That's how dire the situation is. 01:55:38.609 --> 01:55:40.739 Daily mail is reporting this October 31. 01:55:41.039 --> 01:55:46.079 Tommy Taylor says that close to one third of F D N Y. 01:55:46.081 --> 01:55:47.970 Staff remains unvaccinated. 01:55:47.970 --> 01:55:52.229 There's a November one deadline, 26 firehouses are closed. 01:55:52.260 --> 01:55:57.659 26, New York city previously issued

a statewide vaccine mandate. 01:55:57.689 --> 01:56:01.289 Now they're issuing a statewide call for volunteer firefighters. 01:56:01.291 --> 01:56:05.189 We have a picture of the email that went out across long island and elsewhere. 01:56:05.939 --> 01:56:08.279 The Blasio said that this all starts November. 01:56:08.280 --> 01:56:11.489 One announcement came from email. 01:56:11.640 --> 01:56:15.090 There were 350 potential volunteers that were asked to come back in. 01:56:15.090 --> 01:56:15.659 We're closed. 01:56:16.079 --> 01:56:22.890 We can't put out fires in New York city because DeBlasio issued this mandate and everybody is leaving. 01:56:22.890 --> 01:56:31.050 Now total of 26, new New York fire firehouses have been forced to close stations are closed due to no manpower. 01:56:31.289 --> 01:56:37.260 Six of them in Manhattan, nine in Brooklyn, three in Queens, four in Bronx, four in Staten island. 01:56:37.261 --> 01:56:43.289 So all around the entire city gone Friday de Blasio and SDNY commissioner. 01:56:43.291 --> 01:56:49.319 Daniel warned that the effects of the closures would endanger the lives of city residents. 01:56:49.320 --> 01:56:54.060 The Blasio announced in a tweet on Saturday that 2300 more workers got vaccinated. 01:56:54.149 --> 01:56:56.220 And so this is what it looks like on the ground. 01:56:56.220 --> 01:56:59.189 All across New York city, you can see that they're just scattered out. 01:56:59.460 --> 01:57:03.869 All these red dots are 26 different fire departments that are closed. 01:57:04.680 --> 01:57:07.890 Ladder 55 to 34 ladder 17. 01:57:09.329 --> 01:57:12.420 So don't catch fire. 01:57:12.600 --> 01:57:16.140 Here's an email that also came out looking for volunteer firefighters. 01:57:16.140 --> 01:57:20.609 This was written off by a Sergeant, Juan C Sikeston says, good morning. 01:57:20.610 --> 01:57:31.949 All we need to start identifying members of the service who are active volunteer fireman in both long island and upstate counties in anticipation of the impending shortage for D N Y due to COVID mandates on a voluntary basis. 01:57:31.951 --> 01:57:36.600 Only operations is looking at qualified members on standby to backfill firehouses. 01:57:36.600 --> 01:57:48.600 If necessary, get back to me with rank years of fire service and training qualifications would be very nice if they had, uh, an entire bucket, a whole group of people that were qualified. 01:57:48.750 --> 01:57:51.359 Oh they do, but they're not that qualified. 01:57:51.689 --> 01:57:55.380 They're not DeBlasio certified with his stamp of approval. 01:57:55.381 --> 01:57:56.460 So they're gone. 01:57:56.640 --> 01:57:58.409 Now, has the mandate done anything? 01:57:58.770 --> 01:58:01.619 Looking like it's pushing some of the vaccination numbers up slightly. 01:58:01.800 --> 01:58:03.779 You can see here before the deadline. 01:58:04.199 --> 01:58:05.510 FDN why had 67%. 01:58:05.539 --> 01:58:07.020 Now they're up to 70%. 01:58:07.020 -->

01:58:10.890 So 30% of their agency looks like they're still, uh, not Vaxxed. 01:58:11.130 --> 01:58:14.069 84% is what the NYP D went up to. 01:58:14.609 --> 01:58:20.670 So they're still missing a significant portion of theirs, 84% over with EMS, 76% over with sanitation. 01:58:20.850 --> 01:58:22.560 So some slight increases, right? 01:58:22.560 --> 01:58:27.659 Everything looks like it's sort of trending up, but the deadline is now here. 01:58:28.439 --> 01:58:35.550 And so firefighters, uh, thanks for your service in New York city, but you're no longer needed anymore. 01:58:36.060 --> 01:58:38.489 I mean you're needed, but you're no longer wanted. 01:58:38.670 --> 01:58:40.770 So thanks for, uh, thanks for playing ball. 01:58:41.020 --> 01:58:47.560 And it's not just stopping there in fire fire with firefighters or firehouses also spreading out to prisons. 01:58:47.590 --> 01:58:50.079 Prisons are now facing staffing shortages as well. 01:58:50.170 --> 01:58:52.029 Officers are quitting amidst. 01:58:52.060 --> 01:59:00.250 COVID this guy you can see here holding up a Texas retired bureau of prisons ID badge says his name is Lance Lowery. 01:59:00.251 --> 01:59:00.609 Quit. 01:59:00.610 --> 01:59:05.409 After 20 years as a corrections officer went to become a long haul trucker. 01:59:05.409 --> 01:59:07.119 Instead couldn't take the job any longer. 01:59:07.270 --> 01:59:13.810 Watching friends and coworkers die from COVID dwindling support from his superiors war on him would have liked to stay until I was 50. 01:59:13.810 --> 01:59:18.939 But the pandemic changed that says low pay, grueling nature impact on the labor market. 01:59:19.840 --> 01:59:22.720 Officers are retiring and they're quitting in droves. 01:59:22.899 --> 01:59:27.430 While officer's struggled to recruit new employees, some prison populations dropped during the pandemic. 01:59:27.430 --> 01:59:28.689 I've seen their numbers rising again. 01:59:28.810 --> 01:59:30.520 So, uh, prisons are gone. 01:59:30.789 --> 01:59:34.909 You know, they're all exit is happening there as well. 01:59:35.210 --> 01:59:39.050 And it's also carrying forward into the police. 01:59:39.380 --> 01:59:53.479 So it's okay if you don't have any prison guards Manning the prisons because it's not going to be that many police around anymore, either over in LA county, sheriff, Alex Villanova warning saying that there's going to be a mass exit. 01:59:53.600 --> 01:59:59.960 As in his department threatening the public safety saying violent crime is already on the rise I have repeatedly stated. 01:59:59.960 --> 02:00:05.210 He says the dangerous to public safety when 20 to 30% of my workforce is no longer available those dangers. 02:00:05.211 --> 02:00:06.710 They are quickly becoming a reality. 02:00:06.829 --> 02:00:15.560 We are experiencing an increase in unscheduled retirements worker compensation, claims employees quitting, and a reduction in qualified applicants. 02:00:16.130 --> 02:00:19.189 Homicide rates in the county would continue to rise. 02:00:19.369 --> 02:00:23.180 He says with the pandemic waning, there's no justification for this mandate. 02:00:23.659 --> 02:00:28.699 It's like putting up storm windows after the storm has passed, but they're going to continue to do that. 02:00:29.630 --> 02:00:32.420 And if they don't, there's going to be some pretty big problems. 02:00:32.659 --> 02:00:36.229 And it's looking like they've got a long way to go of the sheriffs. 02:00:36.739 --> 02:00:40.430 10,000 personnel only about 4,000 are fully vaccinated. 02:00:40.430 --> 02:00:47.659 So of 10,000 sworn 4,000 fully vaccinated, 1600, 1700 are not vaccinated. 02:00:47.840 --> 02:00:51.140 And another 1300 are seeking exemption, huge numbers. 02:00:51.800 --> 02:00:55.010 I mean, those are just big, big discrepancies, not even close to 100%. 02:00:55.430 --> 02:00:57.560 So major, major discrepancies there. 02:00:57.829 --> 02:01:01.909 6,400 civilian employees, 4,000 are fully vaccinated. 02:01:01.911 --> 02:01:05.180 So the remainder not notices are being sent out to all employees. 02:01:05.300 --> 02:01:07.970 They must comply within 45 days of receiving the note. 02:01:08.630 --> 02:01:14.869 After that time, if they do not show their proof of vaccination, employees have 30 days, I'm sorry. 02:01:14.871 --> 02:01:16.159 They get a five day suspension. 02:01:16.430 --> 02:01:19.579 And then they have 30 days once they returned to comply. 02:01:19.699 --> 02:01:27.289 If they fail to do it after their five day suspension, then they're going to face notice or discipline, which probably means what termination. 02:01:27.529 --> 02:01:41.090 So, uh, police also, so recap firefighters, prison, officials, police, what other institutions are they just sort of systematically decimating right in front of everybody's eyes. 02:01:41.119 --> 02:01:41.569 Oh yeah. 02:01:41.689 --> 02:01:42.350 The military. 02:01:42.439 --> 02:01:43.279 How about the Marines? 02:01:43.609 --> 02:01:52.699 They posted this back on October 23rd supplemental guidance for mandatory vaccine of the Marine Corps, active and reserve components. 02:01:52.909 --> 02:01:57.350 And so this is what they officially posted over@marines.mil.mil. 02:01:57.529 --> 02:02:06.800 And what you can see is the actual policy that they are now proffering forward in accordance with direction on COVID-19 vac, secretary of defense and everybody else over there. 02:02:07.609 --> 02:02:13.670 This is our guidance for active duty Marines who are not fully vaccinated. 02:02:13.671 --> 02:02:28.310 If you don't have the vacs, this applies to you, Marines refusing the vacs, absent some sort of exception shall be processed for administration administrative separation immediately basically. 02:02:28.729 --> 02:02:48.920 Uh, let's see, they're referencing a different order saying this is a lawful order that all Marines receive the Pfizer BioEnTech community vaccine as ordered a Marine is considered to

have refused the vaccine when they do not have an approved exemption per any of our other requirements. 02:02:50.279 --> 02:02:53.630 Um, marina was not been fully vaccinated is not considered worldwide. 02:02:53.631 --> 02:03:10.069 Deployable shall be assigned to reassign commanders or instructors are authorized to temporarily reassigned, unvaccinated Marines based on operational readiness, Marines refusing the vaccine shall not re-enlist or execute orders with the exception of separation orders, right? 02:03:10.220 --> 02:03:13.010 So they are going to start the separation. 02:03:13.760 --> 02:03:16.069 And in the meantime, all of this other stuff happens. 02:03:17.449 --> 02:03:20.720 So they're going to start processing you for administrative separation. 02:03:20.720 --> 02:03:28.039 And in the meantime, all this other stuff, no reenlistment reassign, you're not worldwide deployable while they're processing you. 02:03:28.310 --> 02:03:32.810 It carries on if they have refused, the vaccine may not serve in any command assignment. 02:03:32.819 --> 02:03:41.899 So if your commander automatically demoted commanders will w uh, relief for cause unvaccinated Marines, you are now relieved. 02:03:41.900 --> 02:03:48.529 Commander Marine separated for vaccine refusal will not be eligible for involuntary separation pay. 02:03:48.619 --> 02:03:53.539 So not getting any money on the way out, no longer. 02:03:53.541 --> 02:03:55.340 They're no longer going to be physically present. 02:03:55.341 --> 02:03:56.720 So you also have to physically leave. 02:03:56.720 --> 02:03:58.489 So pack up your stuff and get out of there. 02:04:00.619 --> 02:04:09.920 If an officer refuses Mander shall refer a commander, shall refer the case up the chain of command, and you can see the list goes on and on. 02:04:10.460 --> 02:04:26.720 Uh, other misconduct that was holding of this position, authority says other misconduct may include misconduct related to vaccine refusal, like failing to wear a mask when re required falsifying a vaccine record, not complying with COVID-19 testing requirements, all our misconduct. 02:04:26.720 --> 02:04:32.989 Now, if in doubt, commanders should consult with servicing staff decide whether to charge them. 02:04:33.979 --> 02:04:44.500 Lastly, it says servicing personnel, Shell document Marines, refusing the vaccine under the training order and there you have it. 02:04:44.501 --> 02:04:47.380 So, uh, so the, the great purge is continuing. 02:04:47.590 --> 02:04:57.430 The great exit is the great, uh, evaporation of many of the institutions all over mandates because some bureaucrat somewhere just decided this was what they wanted now. 02:04:57.670 --> 02:05:02.529 And so good people who are a part of good institutions are all being just decimated. 02:05:03.729 --> 02:05:05.260 That's that's just a beautiful thing. 02:05:05.261 --> 02:05:05.500 Isn't it? 02:05:05.520 --> 02:05:06.729 What a great country. 02:05:06.730 --> 02:05:07.449 Thanks Joe Biden. 02:05:07.659 --> 02:05:12.880 Let's go brand and let's see what we got for our questions over@watchingthewatchersdotlocals.com. 02:05:13.029 --> 02:05:17.710 Couple of questions on this one, sort of a short segment, let's see here. 02:05:19.359 --> 02:05:21.189 That was from the prior segment. 02:05:21.250 --> 02:05:23.319 Another one here from, uh, Perry. 02:05:23.320 --> 02:05:27.970 Mason, Arie says, wow, wait, you want me to volunteer, but mandate me to be back. 02:05:27.970 --> 02:05:30.520 Sorry, if you want me back respect my right to choose. 02:05:31.600 --> 02:05:34.239 And the constitution is a good one. 02:05:34.239 --> 02:05:36.550 Perry masonary it's like beggars, can't beat you. 02:05:36.579 --> 02:05:51.550 You have, you have a highly qualified group of people, of people who want to work, but you have decided that they cannot be brave, says it's heartbreaking watching good hardworking people lose their jobs after decades of service. 02:05:51.551 --> 02:05:54.789 In some cases, six year old boy died on New York city fire. 02:05:55.029 --> 02:06:01.390 The first night after all those firehouses closed, it's unintentional collapse of infrastructure around the world, new world order. 02:06:01.390 --> 02:06:02.199 Great reset. 02:06:02.560 --> 02:06:07.090 Get right with God and prepare probably a good idea to do both those things. 02:06:07.119 --> 02:06:12.159 Yeah, I think it's probably a good idea, you know, and it, and it does feel like it's basically intentional at this point. 02:06:12.161 --> 02:06:16.119 They just are consistently going from one industry to another. 02:06:17.079 --> 02:06:22.779 These are all self-inflicted wounds, all of these, but they know better. 02:06:22.840 --> 02:06:23.829 They know better than everybody. 02:06:24.340 --> 02:06:24.579 All right. 02:06:24.581 --> 02:06:25.720 Couple other questions here. 02:06:26.319 --> 02:06:31.720 See, rose says, I thought Americans had a fundamental right to refuse unwanted medical treatment. 02:06:31.720 --> 02:06:33.609 I guess, vaccines don't fall into that category. 02:06:33.819 --> 02:06:40.000 Can't sleep or Adam's reverse this DeBlasio nonsense when either of them are elected in New York city mayor tomorrow. 02:06:40.479 --> 02:06:40.479 Yeah. 02:06:40.489 --> 02:06:41.590 I mean, theoretically, right? 02:06:41.619 --> 02:06:45.729 I mean, all of these were de Blasio's executive orders, as far as I can tell. 02:06:46.300 --> 02:06:50.050 I don't think that any of these really were passed by the state legislature. 02:06:50.439 --> 02:06:51.909 He just kind of passed them all. 02:06:52.449 --> 02:06:52.869 So yeah. 02:06:52.899 --> 02:07:00.010 I mean, if, if it is just executive order, theoretically, I would think that he could just go and reverse all of it, whether he will or not is a whole separate question. 02:07:00.189 --> 02:07:01.270 It's good to see you see rose. 02:07:01.270 --> 02:07:03.430 I think you're, you're a brand new addition to our

community. 02:07:03.430 --> 02:07:06.100 I'm grateful that you're here and joining in right on the form. 02:07:06.100 --> 02:07:10.210 Love that a dead mouse, five pronouns are dinosaur and helicopter. 02:07:10.840 --> 02:07:12.069 Um, shared this link. 02:07:12.579 --> 02:07:14.020 Let's see what this is over at. 02:07:14.020 --> 02:07:15.699 Watching the watchers.locals.com. 02:07:15.880 --> 02:07:16.810 Let's pull this up. 02:07:17.710 --> 02:07:18.430 Oh, here we go. 02:07:18.430 --> 02:07:18.579 Yeah. 02:07:18.581 --> 02:07:20.050 This is very, very appropriate. 02:07:20.051 --> 02:07:22.060 Says, wait, are you vaccinated? 02:07:22.090 --> 02:07:24.100 Woman is in a burning building. 02:07:24.970 --> 02:07:29.140 Firefighter is walking up the, uh, the fire, uh, ladder to save her. 02:07:29.350 --> 02:07:32.590 And she has her, uh, her Instagram out saying, wait, are you vaccinated? 02:07:33.520 --> 02:07:36.279 Only problem with this comment that she doesn't have her mask on? 02:07:37.149 --> 02:07:37.390 Yeah. 02:07:37.390 --> 02:07:43.210 So, you know, the, the, the, the hysterics out there, they are typically bubble wrapped up everywhere they go. 02:07:43.710 --> 02:07:47.020 Uh, but yet very, very astute comment. 02:07:47.050 --> 02:07:47.979 Wait, are you vaccinated? 02:07:47.980 --> 02:07:49.569 These people are, are kind of nuts. 02:07:50.229 --> 02:08:01.390 Pronouns, dinosaur, and helicopter love that John Halligan says these cities and towns didn't test these police and firefighters during the pandemic, the reason they were afraid that too many would be put off on sick leave to quarantine. 02:08:01.539 --> 02:08:04.630 They didn't care that these people would be heading home to their families after shift. 02:08:04.810 --> 02:08:07.569 Now it's critical to vaccinate and terminate. 02:08:07.570 --> 02:08:10.960 Sorry, what person would want to serve this community? 02:08:11.140 --> 02:08:12.430 I should have been an electrician. 02:08:12.579 --> 02:08:12.819 Yeah. 02:08:12.850 --> 02:08:23.770 And that's a, that's a heartfelt comment over there from John Helgren who is living this stuff right now, firefighter from Naperville and is dealing with this stuff personally. 02:08:23.800 --> 02:08:24.069 Right. 02:08:24.070 --> 02:08:27.789 And it's just, uh, it, it, it, it makes me, it makes my blood boil. 02:08:27.819 --> 02:08:28.119 John. 02:08:28.510 --> 02:08:29.199 Absolutely. 02:08:30.670 --> 02:08:31.840 So hang in there, brother. 02:08:31.841 --> 02:08:39.220 And, uh, hopefully we can hear from you on Saturday on our watching the watchers.locals.com meetup where hopefully John and Heather join us. 02:08:39.250 --> 02:08:49.149 We have vantage has prime says, uh, this is something that may or may not be related whenever divides get created among people, there's usually authoritarianism driving the situation. 02:08:49.150 --> 02:08:54.430 And these situations, I find it prudent to identify what I call the swaddles, the SLO T L's. 02:08:54.430 --> 02:08:58.270 It's an acronym that stands for someone lower on the list. 02:08:58.300 --> 02:09:05.560 These are the people that only stick around because they serve a purpose and usually includes sycophants think non Arion soldiers in world war II, Germany. 02:09:05.739 --> 02:09:11.079 When people are pushing divisions, they're going to create a hierarchy of usefulness to achieve their goals. 02:09:11.260 --> 02:09:12.310 It's a natural process. 02:09:12.310 --> 02:09:18.369 I just thought I'd bring that up for people to ruminate on in considering the question of what's next. 02:09:18.399 --> 02:09:19.359 It's a good thought there. 02:09:19.600 --> 02:09:20.680 VMT cause prime. 02:09:21.460 --> 02:09:23.199 It is, it is a good thought, right? 02:09:23.201 --> 02:09:28.510 And there's a lot of different ways that people are exploring the potentials for what's next. 02:09:28.569 --> 02:09:28.779 Right? 02:09:28.780 --> 02:09:35.979 I think some people are just kind of sticking their head in the sand and thinking this is all transitory. 02:09:36.039 --> 02:09:37.689 And it's all just going to go back to normal. 02:09:39.220 --> 02:09:42.189 I think that ship sailed a long, long time ago. 02:09:42.760 --> 02:09:45.850 The daily planet says voter IDs were said to be racist. 02:09:45.850 --> 02:09:50.470 While bill de Blasio was holding a vaccine passport, which is extremely racist, right? 02:09:50.649 --> 02:09:56.260 Cause if you look at the vaccination rates, certain demographics are a lot less vaccinated than others. 02:09:56.439 --> 02:10:01.840 Speech unleash says, FYI, the Repubs have introduced act S 2 8, 4, 6. 02:10:01.841 --> 02:10:12.159 Natural immunity is real act in both house in the Senate, which would force the feds and by mandates to recognize natural immunity to COVID currently it doesn't oh, interesting speech unleash. 02:10:12.170 --> 02:10:13.569 So I'm going to have to go take a look at that. 02:10:13.750 --> 02:10:16.359 Maybe we'll read through that sometime this week. 02:10:16.360 --> 02:10:20.199 If we slow down on the news, although we got Rittenhouse basically all week. 02:10:20.380 --> 02:10:22.750 So, uh, thank you for sharing that speech. 02:10:22.751 --> 02:10:25.210 Hopefully that makes some movements. 02:10:25.720 --> 02:10:28.600 Uh, NYP D says this Halloween was the worst. 02:10:28.630 --> 02:10:33.159 The unvaccinated dressed as themselves to scare the unvaccinated. 02:10:33.409 --> 02:10:34.220 That's a good point. 02:10:34.939 --> 02:10:35.659 You could just go. 02:10:35.661 --> 02:10:38.329 You could walk around like California without a mask. 02:10:38.331 --> 02:10:40.880 And you'd be the most scary person in the whole country. 02:10:42.140 --> 02:10:43.520 Like walk around Berkeley or something. 02:10:43.789 --> 02:10:46.579 Bill de Blasio says, NYC is hit. 02:10:46.581 --> 02:10:49.310 90% cases go negative 300 people. 02:10:49.430 --> 02:10:52.220 Miraculously come back from the dead.

02:10:52.640 --> 02:10:53.270 That's from bill. 02:10:54.079 --> 02:10:57.409 Bill de Blasio has a rough time with some math and some numbers monster. 02:10:57.411 --> 02:11:03.020 One says since when is a prison guard, low paying someone with his experience and probably making close to 50 bucks an hour. 02:11:03.470 --> 02:11:04.489 That's for monster one. 02:11:06.149 --> 02:11:08.899 I don't know what his, uh, idea of good pay is over there. 02:11:09.649 --> 02:11:12.199 Uh, let's see, uh, no coup no name on this. 02:11:12.201 --> 02:11:19.010 One says Rob, as a small business owner, I know how difficult it is to find and train people. 02:11:19.189 --> 02:11:21.170 Training takes hours and hours over many months. 02:11:21.171 --> 02:11:25.760 I cannot imagine taking all of the knowledge and training all of these people have and releasing them. 02:11:25.909 --> 02:11:29.600 There is no way to get that time and training back what a horrible waste of resources. 02:11:29.600 --> 02:11:30.710 It's absolutely true. 02:11:31.069 --> 02:11:31.279 Yeah. 02:11:31.500 --> 02:11:39.770 And, and you know, so this comment is it's like you have, you have kind of the humanitarian arguments that are made in this conversation all the time. 02:11:39.770 --> 02:11:42.109 You have the vaccine hysterics. 02:11:42.140 --> 02:11:43.789 Oh, they're killing people if they don't. 02:11:43.791 --> 02:11:44.810 And so it's for their own good. 02:11:44.989 --> 02:11:48.170 And these people are like dumb dogs and we have to just educate them. 02:11:48.350 --> 02:11:49.220 Cause they're so stupid. 02:11:49.369 --> 02:11:53.390 And just like a dog does, when it deprecates in the house, you, you punish the dog. 02:11:53.539 --> 02:12:01.010 Well, we're so smart and sophisticated that we, the vacs have to punish and scold the[inaudible] because we're so much better than them. 02:12:01.011 --> 02:12:02.090 And they're just so, so dumb. 02:12:02.329 --> 02:12:03.890 So, you know, you have that argument, right? 02:12:03.890 --> 02:12:05.569 But it's a humanitarian argument. 02:12:05.570 --> 02:12:16.819 It's offensive, but it's like, we care about lives and we care about saving the world and everybody else who's unvaccinated is a danger and they're killing grandma, but it's sort of, you know, it's sort of out of love. 02:12:16.850 --> 02:12:27.800 If you believe that now you can, you can be somebody who also says, well, it's that, that, that may be, you know, a good bucket of Americans, but the real power structure, the people at the top, they don't give a rip about grandma. 02:12:27.979 --> 02:12:29.539 They don't care about anybody dropping dead. 02:12:29.541 --> 02:12:37.130 They care about power, money, government contracts, reshuffling, election rules, doing whatever they can to solidify their power indefinitely. 02:12:37.340 --> 02:12:44.119 That's kind of the, I think where a lot of people get their anger and their animus towards that sort of silo of the conversation. 02:12:44.359 --> 02:12:52.340 But on the other end, you also have the idea that, uh, well, you know, people just want to be free. 02:12:52.341 --> 02:12:59.720 You have the humanitarian argument from the other perspective, these are people that are working, they've got lives and families, and they've got food to put on the table. 02:13:01.069 --> 02:13:03.590 And so it's a humanitarian argument the other way, right? 02:13:03.590 --> 02:13:10.520 It's sort of the other side of the conversation, but you also have just the nuts and bolts business conversation that's happening here. 02:13:10.699 --> 02:13:11.479 Do you know hard? 02:13:11.480 --> 02:13:13.880 It is to just hire somebody and onboard them. 02:13:14.029 --> 02:13:15.439 Have you ever gotten a new job somewhere? 02:13:15.440 --> 02:13:22.130 It's like a month, right before you even like, feel comfortable walking into somebody's office and saying, hi, good morning. 02:13:22.159 --> 02:13:23.119 My name is Rob, right? 02:13:23.121 --> 02:13:25.850 Like it, it takes a long time just for that. 02:13:26.060 --> 02:13:30.619 Not to mention all the technical skills of like, I don't know, saving somebody's life. 02:13:30.621 --> 02:13:38.279 If you're a fire, fire, fire, pull, pulling somebody out of a burning building might take a little bit more, you know, training on the job experience. 02:13:38.880 --> 02:13:42.029 Then bringing somebody in who's a retiree. 02:13:42.270 --> 02:13:43.500 What are these people thinking? 02:13:43.560 --> 02:13:44.640 It's like insane. 02:13:44.939 --> 02:13:55.229 And now you've got to train new people in it's it's billions of dollars, billions of dollars financially of just lost productivity and efficiency. 02:13:55.560 --> 02:13:59.100 Not to mention that's aside from the human component of this whole conversation. 02:13:59.760 --> 02:14:04.619 It's, it's like a self-inflicted wound that just keeps, they just keep digging it deeper. 02:14:04.649 --> 02:14:05.159 It's nuts. 02:14:05.430 --> 02:14:10.319 No question says if someone needed to email you something, how would we go about it? 02:14:10.320 --> 02:14:14.189 So send it over to Robert at our, our law ac.com. 02:14:15.270 --> 02:14:15.899 Very easy. 02:14:15.930 --> 02:14:16.770 Just email me there. 02:14:17.180 --> 02:14:19.590 Uh, I do not respond to all my emails. 02:14:19.619 --> 02:14:20.819 I read all of them. 02:14:20.820 --> 02:14:21.510 They all come in. 02:14:21.689 --> 02:14:23.069 I do not respond to all of them. 02:14:23.100 --> 02:14:29.609 I apologize if I don't, I try my best, but I just, I'm just telling you, I just don't, I'm pretty bad about that also with text messages. 02:14:30.569 --> 02:14:33.960 Um, I'm just not, I'm just not really good at it. 02:14:34.319 --> 02:14:36.000 So that's just, that's just the deal. 02:14:36.180 --> 02:14:37.170 But yes, send it to me. 02:14:37.171 --> 02:14:37.739 I do read it. 02:14:37.740 --> 02:14:39.000 I do try to respond to people. 02:14:39.000

--> 02:14:47.010 I've scheduled many, um, you know, offline conversations with people, uh, especially, you know, you get sort of a priority inbox. 02:14:47.039 --> 02:14:51.569 If you are somebody who needs help with alcohol, that is always you get priority. 02:14:51.570 --> 02:14:52.560 You always get a response. 02:14:53.130 --> 02:14:56.130 Um, so please reach out to me if that is what that is about. 02:14:56.310 --> 02:14:57.239 Otherwise send me an email. 02:14:57.390 --> 02:14:59.760 If it's something I can forward to somebody on my team, I'll do that. 02:14:59.761 --> 02:15:04.800 Also, if you Antica says, some people think natural immunity on a VAX pass is a win. 02:15:04.979 --> 02:15:07.319 It's still an arbitrary restriction on travel. 02:15:07.649 --> 02:15:10.739 Notice how, in some places a VAX pass is called a green pass. 02:15:11.039 --> 02:15:11.039 Hmm. 02:15:11.279 --> 02:15:12.840 What else is associated with the word? 02:15:12.869 --> 02:15:13.380 Green. 02:15:14.100 --> 02:15:14.399 Yeah. 02:15:14.430 --> 02:15:17.250 And there you think it's just going to be vaccine status. 02:15:17.251 --> 02:15:17.550 Folks. 02:15:17.579 --> 02:15:18.750 Give me a, give me a break. 02:15:19.890 --> 02:15:20.609 Like that's it. 02:15:20.880 --> 02:15:32.579 They're not going to put how, how many miles you drive, how many, you know, how many vehicles you have or how many, you know, carbo, watt hours you used or whatever this coming, it's all coming. 02:15:33.029 --> 02:15:33.390 All right. 02:15:33.390 --> 02:15:38.939 And those were great questions from our friends over@watchingthewatchersdotlocals.com my friends. 02:15:39.210 --> 02:15:43.020 And I appreciate everybody for all of those amazing questions and all your support over there. 02:15:43.199 --> 02:15:50.909 I want to welcome some new people who joined us over the weekend and they did so just in time, we've got mind magician who is now in the house welcome. 02:15:51.029 --> 02:15:55.619 We've got sea rose who signed up and also jumped in the chat today. 02:15:55.621 --> 02:15:57.149 Saw that big, big, welcome. 02:15:57.300 --> 02:15:57.630 See rose. 02:15:57.989 --> 02:15:59.909 Uh, we have hyperspectral in the house. 02:16:00.689 --> 02:16:09.630 Erin Caroline joined up Dave 5, 2 0 Donna B3 hundred and robot all joined our amazing community. 02:16:09.631 --> 02:16:20.819 Along with Ronnie Cole, French toast, the AI guy martini junkie, just Kyle's a gold painter all@watchingthewatchersdotlocals.com five bucks a month,$50 a year annually. 02:16:21.090 --> 02:16:25.770 And we've been doing a little bit more morning, uh, sort of, you know, uh, impromptu live streams. 02:16:25.770 --> 02:16:28.979 When my, my mornings are free, Mondays and Tuesdays are usually tight. 02:16:29.319 --> 02:16:30.579 They kind of free up the rest of the week. 02:16:30.581 --> 02:16:33.309 So come in and join us for our locals. 02:16:33.310 --> 02:16:37.569 Only live streams that take place outside of what

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