Full Transcript for WKPWP Interview Classics: Interviews with Colt Cabana and Jimmy Rave talking AEW, indy scenes, podcasting, more

of the Sam Roberts Podcast. And we discussed current events 67 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:34.759 in SmackDown and discussed the Hell in a Cell match 68 00:04:34.819 --> 00:04:38.720 coming up on Sunday. That show is available right now. 69 00:04:39.730 --> 00:04:47.160 at PWTorchLivecast.com. Also, Jeremy Botter from Flow Sports joined me 70 00:04:47.180 --> 00:04:48.779 at the top of the show for about 40 minutes 71 00:04:48.819 --> 00:04:53.199 to talk about the new Flow Slam channel. That's part 72 00:04:53.220 --> 00:04:58.100 of the Flow Sports TV streaming network. They have signed 73 00:04:58.259 --> 00:05:03.610 World Wrestling Network's family of promotions, Gabe Sapolsky. Part of 74 00:05:03.649 --> 00:05:06.170 that process, Gabe was scheduled to join me today. That 75 00:05:06.189 --> 00:05:11.149 looks like we'll move that to next Thursday instead. So 76 00:05:11.290 --> 00:05:14.550 check out the show next Thursday if you want to 77 00:05:14.569 --> 00:05:17.189 hear what Gabe Sapolsky has to say about the new 78 00:05:17.230 --> 00:05:22.500 streaming service over at Flow Sports, which is, by the way, 79 00:05:22.540 --> 00:05:25.060 somebody mentioned on Twitter, I should say this, it's F-L-O, 80 00:05:25.540 --> 00:05:32.019 not F-L-O-W. FLOW on Google. It won't come up. Cole Cabana, 81 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:35.120 welcome to the live cast. How's it going? It is 82 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:37.670 so great. I mean, we bumped into each other here 83 00:05:37.699 --> 00:05:39.569 and there over the years, but it's great to have 84 00:05:39.610 --> 00:05:42.810 you on the show. I popped the DVD back in 85 00:05:42.889 --> 00:05:46.290 from the Road Diaries 2 and was watching that, getting 86 00:05:46.310 --> 00:05:52.259 all primed up for this. Your career is, I think this, 87 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:55.279 it sounds so cliche, sort of a gift to the 88 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:59.519 wrestling fans in that You have opened up, in a way, 89 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:03.040 what it is like, and documented in a way, that 90 00:06:03.060 --> 00:06:11.149 is so revealing and so honest about this other side 91 00:06:11.189 --> 00:06:15.509 that you don't see when you watch a WrestleMania event 92 00:06:15.730 --> 00:06:20.589 or WWE Network ride-along, where it's this nice rental car 93 00:06:20.709 --> 00:06:24.750 and nice hotel. You show the whole other side of wrestling. 94 00:06:24.769 --> 00:06:26.769 And that, I mean... The first I'm going to let 95 00:06:26.810 --> 00:06:30.589 you talk soon. The first indie show I ever went 96 00:06:30.649 --> 00:06:34.589 to was I don't I need to figure out where 97 00:06:34.610 --> 00:06:35.750 it was because I know I did a report on 98 00:06:35.769 --> 00:06:38.509 the torch on it. But it was somewhere in Minnesota 99 00:06:38.610 --> 00:06:41.410 that I'd never been before. And I showed up and 100 00:06:41.550 --> 00:06:45.110 it was an audience of five counting me in the 101 00:06:45.149 --> 00:06:47.949

person I drove with. And they still put the show on. 102 00:06:47.949 --> 00:06:50.420 I still got ringside photographs. It was still a blast. 103 00:06:50.980 --> 00:06:53.279 But it was like this. My first indie show was 104 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:57.519 attended by five people. And so I've seen both ends. 105 00:06:57.980 --> 00:07:00.899 And seriously, I think it's so cool that you document it. 106 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:04.379 You put yourself out there when your career has taken 107 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:07.339 so many different twists and turns over the years. What 108 00:07:07.860 --> 00:07:11.899 what are you most surprised about in 2016, about where 109 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:16.339 you are today and from a technology standpoint or your 110 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:19.519 place in the business standpoint that you're doing that you 111 00:07:19.550 --> 00:07:21.750 probably never foresaw that you would be doing, you know, 112 00:07:21.750 --> 00:07:22.310 15 years ago? 113 00:07:23.660 --> 00:07:25.480 Um, you know, it's hard. 114 00:07:25.500 --> 00:07:27.279 Well, I mean, there's so much to touch upon about 115 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:30.620 what you said. And like, I love the idea that, uh, 116 00:07:30.939 --> 00:07:33.040 the first one was five people and it's like, it's 117 00:07:33.100 --> 00:07:33.759 such a, you're right. 118 00:07:33.819 --> 00:07:34.959 It is such a different world. 119 00:07:35.500 --> 00:07:38.639 And so the, the, the reality is, is like, because 120 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:41.379 I can make a living in it, it's awesome to me, 121 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:43.959 you know? So like, and you know, because you weren't 122 00:07:43.980 --> 00:07:47.220 the guy maybe on the show, like being like, well, 123 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:48.680 this is as good as it gets, you know, it's 124 00:07:48.699 --> 00:07:49.740 probably awesome for you. 125 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:52.000 But for some, you know, it's just hard. 126 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:56.439 But I can now go do a show that has 127 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:59.500 20 people, and because I'm fined financially or whatever it 128 00:07:59.540 --> 00:08:01.180 might be, it's. 129 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:01.860 Great for me. 130 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:05.470 And I'd almost prefer to get screwed over and something 131 00:08:05.550 --> 00:08:07.209 awful happen to me so I have a story to 132 00:08:07.230 --> 00:08:08.810 tell on my podcast or something. 133 00:08:08.930 --> 00:08:09.769 You know what I'm saying? 134 00:08:09.990 --> 00:08:11.110 Yeah, yeah, totally. 135 00:08:11.129 --> 00:08:14.149 Those are investments for me almost. 136 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:16.939 You know, I really. 137 00:08:19.490 --> 00:08:21.509 I wrote this article that, that, uh, it was in 138 00:08:21.529 --> 00:08:25.490 the sports illustrated, um, in their extra mustard mustard and 139 00:08:25.569 --> 00:08:27.129 it kind of got hidden. And so I think I'm 140 00:08:27.149 --> 00:08:29.350 going to

put it on my Facebook eventually, but it 141 00:08:29.389 --> 00:08:31.769 was like this love letter to independent wrestling. And like 142 00:08:32.250 --> 00:08:35.690 I said that I always just imagined myself as independent wrestler. 143 00:08:35.750 --> 00:08:37.190 I never really thought I was going to be a 144 00:08:37.629 --> 00:08:38.049 WWE guy. 145 00:08:38.070 --> 00:08:40.590 And when I got to WWE, I just assumed like, 146 00:08:40.610 --> 00:08:42.690 I was like, okay, I hope I don't get fired 147 00:08:42.809 --> 00:08:45.139 so quickly that I look like a complete failure. Um, 148 00:08:45.690 --> 00:08:48.370 And so after two years, you know, it was okay, like, 149 00:08:48.409 --> 00:08:50.710 that I was able to go back to the independent scene. So, 150 00:08:51.789 --> 00:08:53.590 you know, I wasn't able to tell what was going 151 00:08:53.610 --> 00:08:57.320 to happen technological-wise in 1999 when I started. 152 00:08:57.399 --> 00:09:02.679 But, I mean, it seems everything that was supposed to 153 00:09:02.700 --> 00:09:04.019 happen is happening, I guess. 154 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:09.190 So many questions to ask. I'll just ask the one 155 00:09:09.210 --> 00:09:12.659 that's on the top of my mind right now. What 156 00:09:13.100 --> 00:09:18.960 is most different about indie wrestling today than 15 years ago? 157 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:22.659 Is it the promoters? Is it the fans? Is it 158 00:09:22.940 --> 00:09:28.049 the attitude or demeanor of your cohorts, the wrestlers you're 159 00:09:28.090 --> 00:09:30.490 on the shows with? Is it something else? What has 160 00:09:30.549 --> 00:09:33.070 changed the most in 15 years from your beginnings on 161 00:09:33.090 --> 00:09:36.649 the indie scene to what you are seeing now? 162 00:09:36.690 --> 00:09:40.370 A lot has obviously changed. I would say The one 163 00:09:40.389 --> 00:09:44.370 thing that I noticed is that the undercard guys can 164 00:09:44.429 --> 00:09:49.620 be superstars. And so I'll compare that to back, I guess, 165 00:09:49.620 --> 00:09:53.580 17 years ago when the top draws were Tito Santana 166 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:55.559 and Coco Beware and Greg Valentine. 167 00:09:55.860 --> 00:09:56.759 And that's the only. 168 00:09:56.620 --> 00:09:59.240 Reason people came. And all the undercard guys were just dudes. 169 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:03.299 local dudes that were trying to either make it or 170 00:10:03.340 --> 00:10:06.299 just played softball or whatever you know that was just 171 00:10:06.340 --> 00:10:09.019 kind of their thing and now like when you bring 172 00:10:09.070 --> 00:10:11.129 in let's say a Cody Rhodes or a Ryback and 173 00:10:11.149 --> 00:10:14.429 that's your star for the show your undercard guys can 174 00:10:14.549 --> 00:10:17.990 also be because it's because of the internet you know 175 00:10:18.450 --> 00:10:21.330 so when I was like When I was, you know, 176 00:10:21.370 --> 00:10:25.769 a teenager, like, the only undercard stars were guys that, like, 177 00:10:26.090 --> 00:10:29.370 you know, Apter and Mankiewicz were, like, pushing in PWI 178 00:10:29.389 --> 00:10:30.830 that you had to see pictures. So if I went 179 00:10:30.850 --> 00:10:34.110 to a Walgreens and I saw a picture of reckless youth, 180 00:10:34.610 --> 00:10:37.309 you know, there was a handful of niche or cult 181 00:10:37.409 --> 00:10:40.570 kids like me who thought those guys were actually stars. But, 182 00:10:40.610 --> 00:10:42.350 you know, they weren't getting that much as it was. 183 00:10:42.429 --> 00:10:45.850 So it's kind of like a little bit of star power, 184 00:10:45.889 --> 00:10:46.210 I guess. 185 00:10:47.370 --> 00:10:47.850 And if you. 186 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:52.220 And and I'm sorry to cut you off, but you 187 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:56.179 can't get away with being like super lazy and just 188 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:58.080 sit in a headlock for 15 minutes. And that's being 189 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:01.789 acceptable as a as as a Cody Rhodes or as 190 00:11:01.870 --> 00:11:04.269 a Ryback or as a Damien Sandow. 191 00:11:04.289 --> 00:11:07.169 You have to work. Yeah. 192 00:11:07.230 --> 00:11:09.649 So so in that sense, it's the fans in terms 193 00:11:09.669 --> 00:11:12.679 of their their expectations and what they demand for the 194 00:11:12.720 --> 00:11:14.340 money and time they're putting into attending a show. 195 00:11:16.299 --> 00:11:18.740 But, I mean, I don't know if it– I think 196 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:20.899 it's a group collection of everybody. You know, the fans have. 197 00:11:20.860 --> 00:11:24.320 Changed because the wrestling mentality has changed because wrestlers were 198 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:27.740 like– I think generations of wrestlers and probably– not probably, 199 00:11:27.779 --> 00:11:30.750 but like when Mysterio and Guerrero and those guys all 200 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:34.159 kind of seeped their way into America, like wrestling in 201 00:11:34.210 --> 00:11:36.549 America was like, oh, we can't be lazy anymore because 202 00:11:36.570 --> 00:11:38.889 these guys are killing it. And they're like, we're sick 203 00:11:38.929 --> 00:11:42.110 of these old dudes who are slow and methodical and 204 00:11:42.149 --> 00:11:44.789 don't move. we're going to try to show it. I 205 00:11:44.830 --> 00:11:48.769 think they changed a whole big shift of everything. And 206 00:11:48.809 --> 00:11:51.629 that's why you've just seen all of like, I think, 207 00:11:51.850 --> 00:11:54.049 you know, you, you'd probably be great to tell too. Like, 208 00:11:54.090 --> 00:11:57.070 I think that's why wrestling has changed a lot. Oh, 209 00:11:57.110 --> 00:11:57.950 in terms of work rates. 210 00:11:58.730 --> 00:11:59.330 Oh, totally. 211 00:11:59.409 --> 00:12:01.929 No, it, it really has. And I think we're still 212 00:12:01.990 --> 00:12:05.769 at this point of the business coming to terms with 213 00:12:05.909 --> 00:12:10.600 it in

that you have the wrestlers who are over the, 214 00:12:11.029 --> 00:12:13.659 with the fans who are willing to pay the most 215 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:17.019 money to travel and go buy the WrestleMania packages, go 216 00:12:17.059 --> 00:12:21.059 to Ron Smackdown, drive long distances to go see Extreme Rules, 217 00:12:21.100 --> 00:12:25.600 whatever it is. Those are the fans. I sometimes call 218 00:12:25.620 --> 00:12:27.659 them bellwether fans in the sense that they're letting the 219 00:12:27.700 --> 00:12:31.039 promoter know ahead of the mainstream fan what is going 220 00:12:31.110 --> 00:12:35.529 to work and what wrestler has that it factor going. 221 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:39.429 that appeals to them and has longevity. And sometimes the 222 00:12:39.470 --> 00:12:42.570 promoters Vince McMahon, especially cause he's the number one guy 223 00:12:43.070 --> 00:12:46.210 not to pick on him or anything. Doesn't always, here's 224 00:12:46.230 --> 00:12:49.149 a crowd response from these ardent fans and it doesn't 225 00:12:49.190 --> 00:12:52.269 necessarily match up with his notion of what he wants. 226 00:12:52.330 --> 00:12:54.629 And we see that with NXT, some of the people 227 00:12:54.649 --> 00:12:56.889 who go through NXT and the athletes they sign. I mean, 228 00:12:57.309 --> 00:13:00.250 there's like, there was a, ex football player who was 229 00:13:00.289 --> 00:13:02.549 interviewed about being an NXT. And he's like, Oh yeah, 230 00:13:02.590 --> 00:13:04.009 I want to be on the main roster in one year. 231 00:13:04.090 --> 00:13:06.649 And Oh, Triple H doesn't have long hair anymore. And 232 00:13:06.700 --> 00:13:08.700 I was just like, you know, he was surprised by that. 233 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:11.419 I'm like, you want to be on the main roster 234 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:14.019 in one year and you don't watch the product enough, 235 00:13:14.259 --> 00:13:17.179 including NXT of all things to know that your place 236 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:20.279 doesn't have really long hair anymore. I mean, there's such 237 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:23.059 a disconnect between that and Kevin Owens, you know, and 238 00:13:23.100 --> 00:13:24.379 what he went through to get to the top. 239 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:25.740 Right. 240 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:26.980 He said that in an interview. 241 00:13:27.700 --> 00:13:27.919 Yes. 242 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:32.659 He was just like, wait, he just stopped himself and 243 00:13:32.700 --> 00:13:33.980 someone showed him a picture and he was like, wait, 244 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:34.759 he doesn't have long hair? 245 00:13:35.259 --> 00:13:37.480 No, he said when he met with Triple H, he 246 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:42.740 was unsurprised. He just said it as an aside. Like, yeah, 247 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:44.200 I just met with Triple H and I expect to 248 00:13:44.220 --> 00:13:45.639 be on the main roster in a year. That's my goal. 249 00:13:45.700 --> 00:13:47.360 I mean, it's fine to have

goals. And then he 250 00:13:47.379 --> 00:13:49.639 was like, yeah, I was really surprised Triple H has 251 00:13:49.659 --> 00:13:50.120 short hair now. 252 00:13:50.139 --> 00:13:51.240 I was like, wow. 253 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:54.120 This isn't my story to tell. 254 00:13:54.710 --> 00:13:59.190 But someone who is on television right now, who's a 255 00:13:59.250 --> 00:14:02.190 friend of mine, when they got their tryout, there was 256 00:14:02.230 --> 00:14:04.730 another guy that was, like, on the same plane with 257 00:14:04.769 --> 00:14:08.590 him going to the tryout. And he had asked, and 258 00:14:08.610 --> 00:14:09.169 this was only. 259 00:14:09.049 --> 00:14:11.840 A couple years ago, he goes, is Vince McMahon really dead? 260 00:14:11.860 --> 00:14:13.700 Oh, my God. 261 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:18.559 And, you know, that was years after the Vince McMahon angle. 262 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:20.700 Wow. 263 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:22.519 Yeah, pretty great. 264 00:14:23.259 --> 00:14:29.740 So winding it back to that point, there's the work 265 00:14:29.860 --> 00:14:34.059 rate and I think fan expectation now because of the 266 00:14:34.100 --> 00:14:37.330 immersive amount of– or the ability for wrestling fans to 267 00:14:37.370 --> 00:14:43.009 immerse themselves in unprecedented access to information to know who's 268 00:14:43.049 --> 00:14:46.610 good and who's not. I mean I remember watching– and 269 00:14:46.629 --> 00:14:49.470 this was post-Hoke Hogan AWA. After Hoke Hogan had left, 270 00:14:49.789 --> 00:14:52.580 after Vern Gagne had retired– The Road Warriors and Bruiser 271 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:55.179 Brody were around. So it was still, AWA was still, 272 00:14:55.559 --> 00:14:58.600 you know, going pretty strong. Not where they were in 273 00:14:58.620 --> 00:15:01.000 the prior years, but still a major league company. But 274 00:15:01.019 --> 00:15:04.340 the world champion was Rick Martel. And he was defending 275 00:15:04.379 --> 00:15:07.179 against gorgeous Jimmy Garvin in the headline match at the St. 276 00:15:07.220 --> 00:15:09.440 Paul Civic Center. And it was the first time as 277 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:13.740 a fan, I was probably 13 years old, that I realized, wow, 278 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:17.340 there's boring wrestlers out there who don't work very hard. 279 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:21.080 Because it was just, you know, a long headlock. And 280 00:15:21.100 --> 00:15:25.200 I think fans now don't go through that because by 281 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:27.480 the time they get obsessed with wrestling, when they're eight 282 00:15:27.519 --> 00:15:31.100 or 12 or 14 or whatever it is, they're online 283 00:15:31.179 --> 00:15:33.480 and they know who the best workers are. They they're told, 284 00:15:33.620 --> 00:15:35.980 you know, they're, they're like, okay, I know. It's like, 285 00:15:36.019 --> 00:15:37.220 if you get into movies, you know who the best 286 00:15:37.259 --> 00:15:39.070 movie director is. If you read about it, even before 287 00:15:39.090 --> 00:15:41.009 you see all of his work. And I think that 288 00:15:41.049 --> 00:15:44.389 influences wrestling in a way that's different than the 1980s 289 00:15:44.450 --> 00:15:47.330 or nineties, where for the most part, it was processing 290 00:15:47.350 --> 00:15:49.700 torch wrestling observer. If you wanted to know, uh, more 291 00:15:49.740 --> 00:15:52.090 than just what was on television or what your friends 292 00:15:52.139 --> 00:15:54.779 told you. And I think that has changed wrestling, too, 293 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:58.409 and what fans expect and what wrestlers have to deliver 294 00:15:58.610 --> 00:15:59.009 on shows. 295 00:16:00.250 --> 00:16:02.529 Yeah, well, listen, I mean, you know, I've told you before, 296 00:16:02.629 --> 00:16:04.929 I was getting the torch when I was 14, and 297 00:16:04.950 --> 00:16:07.350 that was, like, my guideline to getting into wrestling. Like, 298 00:16:07.370 --> 00:16:09.789 you know, not that I knew what was. 299 00:16:09.750 --> 00:16:13.110 Going on, but, like, I knew... Like, I understood, like, 300 00:16:13.129 --> 00:16:14.429 kind of the path you had to take, and I 301 00:16:14.450 --> 00:16:17.090 would see all these results of not just WWF guys, 302 00:16:17.129 --> 00:16:19.419 but I would see these results of guys... like in 303 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:22.399 like USWA and even smaller independents. And then years later, 304 00:16:22.419 --> 00:16:23.860 you all of a sudden you see like, Hey, this 305 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:24.899 guy's getting a tryout. 306 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:26.960 This guy's getting a tryout. These guys are like these. 307 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:28.799 So you kind of, it kind of like guides you 308 00:16:28.960 --> 00:16:31.720 into getting into the business. And so for a lot 309 00:16:31.740 --> 00:16:33.539 of us that have got a business that came up 310 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:37.659 with that age, like, yeah, like we're, we, we're a little, 311 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:40.000 we're obviously I think a lot smarter and we kind 312 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:43.700 of know, like we were super fans. And so we 313 00:16:43.779 --> 00:16:46.799 know what a super fan would hopefully like in our, 314 00:16:47.299 --> 00:16:49.919 like our, I always think back to anything I do, 315 00:16:49.980 --> 00:16:52.620 I always think back, like, would I, a 16-year-old, like it? 316 00:16:53.019 --> 00:16:55.019 And that's kind of the model I've kind of always used, 317 00:16:55.059 --> 00:16:57.779 was trying to use myself as my own gauge of 318 00:16:57.820 --> 00:16:59.840 whether I would like it or not. And, you know, 319 00:16:59.919 --> 00:17:01.240 I was a big super fan, for sure. 320 00:17:01.659 --> 00:17:03.159 So hold tight, Colt. 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Interview Thursday edition, Thursday, October 27, 2016. 334 00:17:59.509 --> 00:18:00.789 Thanks so much for joining us. If you want to 335 00:18:00.809 --> 00:18:01.569 give us a call, 515-605-9345. 336 00:18:01.609 --> 00:18:01.970 That's 515-605-9345. 337 00:18:10.289 --> 00:18:12.029 Again, Colt Cabana is my guest today. We had to 338 00:18:12.109 --> 00:18:16.039 flip guests. Gabe Sapolsky had a conflict in his schedule, 339 00:18:16.460 --> 00:18:18.720 so Gabe will hopefully be on next Thursday. We're still 340 00:18:18.740 --> 00:18:21.700 trying to confirm his schedule in that regard. Colt Cabana 341 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:23.720 was scheduled to be on next Thursday. He was kind 342 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:28.240 enough on short notice to join me today instead, and 343 00:18:28.289 --> 00:18:31.549 we are talking about, gosh, I don't even know how 344 00:18:31.569 --> 00:18:34.710 to frame it, Colt, a wide array of cool topics 345 00:18:34.769 --> 00:18:38.210 about the way wrestling has changed and the unexpected twists 346 00:18:38.509 --> 00:18:41.089 and turns in your career and changes in indie wrestling. 347 00:18:41.130 --> 00:18:45.630 So feel free to give us a call, 505-605-9345. Sorry 348 00:18:45.930 --> 00:18:49.380 about the technical problem earlier, Colt. I think I have 349 00:18:50.099 --> 00:18:51.980 switched to a different microphone, and we should be good. 350 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:53.240 Can you hear me fine now? 351 00:18:54.099 --> 00:18:55.400 Yeah, no, everything's good. 352 00:18:55.539 --> 00:19:00.299 Again, my main reason I'm promoting this new movie I'm doing, 353 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:04.240 it's DIY style, which you know all about, sitting in 354 00:19:04.269 --> 00:19:07.819 your apartment, shipping stuff out. That's how I've done it 355 00:19:07.859 --> 00:19:10.940 for years now. I continue to do it. Wrestling Road Diaries, three. 356 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:13.660 Fun equals money. I flew over Grado from Scotland. I 357 00:19:13.700 --> 00:19:14.299 flew over. 358 00:19:14.180 --> 00:19:19.410 Kikutaro from Japan, and we documented comedy and wrestling and 359 00:19:19.450 --> 00:19:22.250 how to be like why comedy wrestling works and why 360 00:19:22.269 --> 00:19:22.710 it doesn't work. 361 00:19:24.529 --> 00:19:26.869 Grado, I just get such a kick out of him. 362 00:19:26.910 --> 00:19:30.579 His sense of humor clicks with me. I watched the trailer, and, 363 00:19:30.700 --> 00:19:32.079 I mean, it just looks like a lot of fun. 364 00:19:32.539 --> 00:19:35.819 The thing that I think you captured– really well in 365 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:39.809 the uh... in the trailer the joy on the faces 366 00:19:40.029 --> 00:19:42.869 of the fan as you were you guys were doing 367 00:19:42.910 --> 00:19:45.589 what you were doing and it's weird to say this 368 00:19:45.690 --> 00:19:49.589 but it it i'm ever ever early on with you 369 00:19:49.630 --> 00:19:51.759 watching you in Ring of Honor, I'd say, you've got 370 00:19:51.779 --> 00:19:55.380 a real knack for humor. And I think that with 371 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:58.440 your size and with your quick wit and your body 372 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:01.519 language and physical humor and verbal humor, you'd be a 373 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:04.900 good fit in WWE. And that I thought you'd catch 374 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:07.200 on there. And obviously they gave you a look and 375 00:20:07.220 --> 00:20:11.619 that's a whole other story. But you're playing the straight man, 376 00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:14.509 like in these video clips on the trailer, which is, 377 00:20:14.660 --> 00:20:18.579 I think, it's an important role, but you're kind of 378 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:21.720 playing the straight man in these clips with Grado and 379 00:20:21.769 --> 00:20:23.849 reacting to him, which is kind of a funny role 380 00:20:23.890 --> 00:20:24.970 reversal for you in certain ways. 381 00:20:25.789 --> 00:20:27.609 Yeah, well, I mean, that's something I talk about that 382 00:20:27.650 --> 00:20:30.869 people don't really realize is the idea of the straight 383 00:20:30.890 --> 00:20:33.390 man and how important it is. And I don't even 384 00:20:33.430 --> 00:20:35.529 know if Grado, like, I don't know if Grado realized, 385 00:20:35.549 --> 00:20:36.789 but if I remember in the room with Grado, like 386 00:20:36.809 --> 00:20:39.750 he's always going to be the more outgoing, the more like, 387 00:20:39.789 --> 00:20:41.710 cause he's just, I can't. 388 00:20:41.609 --> 00:20:42.990 Even explain it. He's something else. 389 00:20:43.549 --> 00:20:45.950 So like, I, it's almost like, I know, like, I, 390 00:20:46.170 --> 00:20:48.089 I know how, you know, like I know my role 391 00:20:48.150 --> 00:20:49.509 in a little bit, like, and like, I'm not going 392 00:20:49.529 --> 00:20:51.750 to out funny this guy. And so that's like a 393 00:20:51.809 --> 00:20:54.099 problem with comedy wrestling. A lot of times people don't 394 00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:56.779

realize this. I'll get put in the mat. Like people 395 00:20:56.819 --> 00:20:58.400 will like send me and they'll be like, okay, you 396 00:20:58.420 --> 00:20:59.960 have to go in there with this guy. And I 397 00:20:59.980 --> 00:21:02.440 want you guys just to be crazy funny and, And 398 00:21:02.460 --> 00:21:05.680 I don't, sometimes my opponent won't realize that like, it can't, 399 00:21:05.779 --> 00:21:09.220 we can't just collide at comedy. So there has to 400 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:12.059 be a straight man. And I love, I like if 401 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:13.940 it serves the match and it makes it funnier, I 402 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:16.009 have no problem being. 403 00:21:15.829 --> 00:21:16.410 The straight man. 404 00:21:16.509 --> 00:21:18.349 And I think the fun part is, is like, I 405 00:21:18.390 --> 00:21:19.740 realized it and I recognize it. 406 00:21:20.109 --> 00:21:21.109 And that's why, like for me. 407 00:21:21.049 --> 00:21:23.029 As a wrestler, there was a lot of heels that 408 00:21:23.069 --> 00:21:26.269 I loved wrestling and they were cause they got it. 409 00:21:26.509 --> 00:21:29.319 And I'll give two as an example, Adam Pearce, and 410 00:21:29.380 --> 00:21:31.680 Ty Dillinger. Uh, I wrestled Ty Dillinger when he was 411 00:21:31.700 --> 00:21:34.400 Sean Spears, when he was in WWE, not on the 412 00:21:34.420 --> 00:21:37.519 main roster 10 years ago, poor guy. 413 00:21:37.539 --> 00:21:39.599 Um, he's amazing. 414 00:21:39.859 --> 00:21:43.279 And, you know, like sometimes Adam and I, and Sean 415 00:21:43.299 --> 00:21:45.440 and I had matches where we both had to be serious, 416 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:47.440 but sometimes it was just, you know. 417 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:49.180 House shows or Gaga around or whatever. 418 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:51.740 And they knew their roles straight man so well, and 419 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:54.099 they were so good at it. And people wouldn't, you know, 420 00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:56.880 people don't normally say that Ty Dillinger and Adam Pierce 421 00:21:56.920 --> 00:21:59.089 are comedy wrestlers, but like, When they're in with me 422 00:21:59.109 --> 00:22:01.190 and that's what we're doing, they're great comedy wrestlers. 423 00:22:03.470 --> 00:22:08.990 What was the inspiration for doing Road Diaries on the 424 00:22:09.150 --> 00:22:12.539 comedic side of wrestling? Is it just the content was available? 425 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:15.119 It was material that you felt you hadn't covered, but 426 00:22:15.140 --> 00:22:16.839 there was a lot that could do? Did you think 427 00:22:16.859 --> 00:22:20.279 that it would be good for marketing, that fans would 428 00:22:20.299 --> 00:22:22.440 actually like to see it? What kind of went into 429 00:22:22.460 --> 00:22:23.940 the decision? Because, I mean, it's a lot of work 430 00:22:23.980 --> 00:22:25.509 to put this documentary together, and I want to talk 431 00:22:25.529 --> 00:22:26.970 about that process, too,

with you after this. 432 00:22:28.170 --> 00:22:30.710 Yeah, well, Jack Ettinger, you know, he edited and directed, 433 00:22:30.730 --> 00:22:32.829 and I'm sure he'd love to come on. He owns 434 00:22:32.869 --> 00:22:35.990 freelance wrestling also. He made the second and the third one, 435 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:39.599 and he's amazing. There's a couple of things that went 436 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:43.299 into it. A, it's never been– comedy wrestling has really 437 00:22:43.539 --> 00:22:47.059 never been dissected like this before. And so, like, I 438 00:22:47.099 --> 00:22:49.220 really wanted the opportunity to be able to dissect comedy 439 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:51.900 wrestling and explain it kind of to people who probably 440 00:22:51.940 --> 00:22:54.180 just think, like, oh, the guys who can't be good 441 00:22:54.220 --> 00:22:57.519 wrestlers go and be– and just be like joke wrestlers. 442 00:22:57.539 --> 00:22:59.680 And that's really not how it is. Like that's my 443 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:02.519 first love is like making people laugh, like in the ring. 444 00:23:02.539 --> 00:23:04.970 That's what, it's what, it's like what I get off on, 445 00:23:04.980 --> 00:23:05.500 you know, that's. 446 00:23:05.380 --> 00:23:06.200 What I love. 447 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:09.480 And the other thing is, is that like the first 448 00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:12.720 diaries was about, um, you know, kind of the independent 449 00:23:12.759 --> 00:23:15.900 world and Daniel Ryan and I, it was something we 450 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:19.140 had wanted to document for years because like you said before, 451 00:23:19.180 --> 00:23:21.190 like people didn't, unless you're really inside the world, you 452 00:23:21.210 --> 00:23:23.369 really didn't know what that world was all about. That 453 00:23:23.390 --> 00:23:25.009 was something we wanted to do. The second one was 454 00:23:25.049 --> 00:23:28.160 about guys coming back from the WWE into the independent 455 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:30.619 world and how that transition was. And that was with, 456 00:23:30.740 --> 00:23:34.039 you know, Domino from WWE and Gallows from WWE. He 457 00:23:34.059 --> 00:23:36.339 was not back in WWE. And so the third one, 458 00:23:36.380 --> 00:23:38.119 you know, it's about kind of mixing it up. You 459 00:23:38.140 --> 00:23:40.480 can't tell the same story every single time in every 460 00:23:40.529 --> 00:23:41.369 single documentary. 461 00:23:42.609 --> 00:23:45.549 Yeah, that's, yeah, exactly. It's neat that there's a specific 462 00:23:45.630 --> 00:23:49.789 theme to each of them. How much, how involved are 463 00:23:49.809 --> 00:23:51.849 you in the making of the documentary or do you 464 00:23:52.710 --> 00:23:55.039 once once all the raw footage is created are you 465 00:23:55.099 --> 00:23:57.700 real instrumental in what gets what gets included what doesn't 466 00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:00.700 how it gets edited or um do you leave that 467 00:24:00.740 --> 00:24:01.539 to the editors. 468 00:24:02.420 --> 00:24:04.279 Well i mean i like it's kind of like i'm 469 00:24:04.609 --> 00:24:06.890 like it's weird i mean once he has all the 470 00:24:06.910 --> 00:24:08.990 footage he's kind of putting it all together jack is 471 00:24:09.029 --> 00:24:11.150 and he's great at it um you know i think 472 00:24:11.190 --> 00:24:13.309 together we kind of we map out what we want 473 00:24:13.329 --> 00:24:16.099 to do and i make sure like i'm also directing 474 00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:19.789 kind of while i'm on the you know, while I'm 475 00:24:19.930 --> 00:24:22.029 in the middle of a documentary, I'll also make sure, Hey, 476 00:24:22.109 --> 00:24:23.670 make sure we get this shot. Make sure you get 477 00:24:23.690 --> 00:24:25.900 that shot and tell them like, yeah, you know, make 478 00:24:25.940 --> 00:24:29.420 sure you go ask fans, you know, get reactions. It's 479 00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:32.119 always in my head. And you can hear in some 480 00:24:32.140 --> 00:24:33.980 of the stuff, some of the sit-downs with Keith Guitaro, 481 00:24:34.059 --> 00:24:36.779 I'm like asking the questions and then trying to get 482 00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:39.549 some shots. So that, like, I have a little bit 483 00:24:39.569 --> 00:24:41.569 of a vision, but the most, the big vision is 484 00:24:41.829 --> 00:24:43.329 by Jack and he's, he's amazing. 485 00:24:43.750 --> 00:24:44.890 And he puts these together so well. 486 00:24:46.650 --> 00:24:51.519 Again, how can people watch the trailer and also order 487 00:24:52.099 --> 00:24:54.960 the DVD and see– how long is it? About an 488 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:56.380 hour and a half, hour and 40 minutes like the 489 00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:56.759 last one? 490 00:24:57.839 --> 00:24:59.259 It's an hour and 20 minutes. 491 00:24:59.779 --> 00:25:00.000 Oh, cool. 492 00:25:00.099 --> 00:25:00.559 Yeah. 493 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:02.480 Well, the other one I thought was 20 minutes too long, 494 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:03.180 so that's perfect. 495 00:25:04.180 --> 00:25:05.220 Oh, well, and the. 496 00:25:05.220 --> 00:25:09.019 First one was like two hours and 40 minutes, which 497 00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:12.609 was crazy. And I kept on telling the guy who 498 00:25:12.650 --> 00:25:14.670 made it, Eric, and I was like, I think it 499 00:25:14.690 --> 00:25:16.720 should be an hour and a half. And he's like, no, 500 00:25:16.759 --> 00:25:18.700 it's got to be like a wrestling DVD. And we 501 00:25:18.740 --> 00:25:21.180 kind of fought over it. And he won out because 502 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:23.609 he was the editor. But at the end of the day, 503 00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:25.819 it's pretty crazy now to go back and watch three 504 00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:29.019 hours of Daniel Bryan on the indies thinking he's going 505 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:30.160 to be a failure at wrestling. 506 00:25:30.220 --> 00:25:33.680 So, yeah, this is 120. 507 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:34.660

Coltmerch.com. 508 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:35.759 Pre-orders are now. 509 00:25:35.819 --> 00:25:38.509 I'm going to start shipping. I'm actually going to pick 510 00:25:38.619 --> 00:25:40.329 them up today. I'm going to start shipping next week 511 00:25:40.349 --> 00:25:43.170 when I get home from the Texas shows for Ring 512 00:25:43.190 --> 00:25:43.529 of Honor. 513 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:45.079 And there's a trailer. 514 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:47.440 I just put a new trailer up on my YouTube page. 515 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:50.740 And it's all, I mean, it's all, there's no other 516 00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:53.039 machine behind it. I put all my money into, you know, 517 00:25:53.380 --> 00:25:56.279 I put my money into it. I didn't Kickstarter anything. 518 00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:59.299 And so, you know, like, you know, I just asked, 519 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:01.480 you know, maybe if you, if it sounds interesting, give 520 00:26:01.500 --> 00:26:03.029 it a whirl. It's going to be, I'm sorry, it's 521 00:26:03.049 --> 00:26:07.150 going to be digital on November 11th. 522 00:26:07.910 --> 00:26:10.650 And, you know, it's all available at coltcommander.com or coltmerch.com. 523 00:26:12.170 --> 00:26:14.769 Do you, have you found there to be problems with 524 00:26:15.549 --> 00:26:18.319 pirating of what you do, or is that less of 525 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:22.460 a problem now than before? Because, you know, you talk 526 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:24.160 about digital download and all that kind of thing, or 527 00:26:24.180 --> 00:26:26.480 is that not something you worry about? Because most fans know, 528 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:28.259 you know, if they want, if they want to support 529 00:26:28.279 --> 00:26:29.539 you how to do it and that's the right thing 530 00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:29.779 to do. 531 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:32.269 Yeah. You know, like that's right. 532 00:26:32.349 --> 00:26:34.410 And, you know, like I, I've been doing the podcast 533 00:26:34.430 --> 00:26:37.589 for six years and I'm always like, you know, and recently, 534 00:26:37.690 --> 00:26:40.329 you know, I've been able to get advertising, which is amazing, 535 00:26:40.369 --> 00:26:41.990 but you know, for the first three years of. 536 00:26:41.970 --> 00:26:44.089 It, when no one was really doing the wrestler to wrestler. 537 00:26:43.809 --> 00:26:46.130 Podcast, it was all just free. You know, I was 538 00:26:46.150 --> 00:26:47.809 just doing it just to kind of get, get a 539 00:26:47.849 --> 00:26:50.529 fan base and make fans and, and hope that people 540 00:26:50.569 --> 00:26:52.210 would in return, you know, buy a t-shirt or buy 541 00:26:52.230 --> 00:26:54.609 the DVD and support. So I think a lot of 542 00:26:54.650 --> 00:26:56.390 fans know that, like, you know, I like to give 543 00:26:56.430 --> 00:26:59.049 away a lot of free content and this is a 544 00:26:59.069 --> 00:27:00.190 great way to support. 545 00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:01.920 Me or, you know, support me. 546 00:27:01.980 --> 00:27:05.740 I guess, but you know, like non-contracted wrestlers, like this 547 00:27:05.819 --> 00:27:09.569 is obviously how we live. Piracy is a thing though. Uh, 548 00:27:09.619 --> 00:27:13.809 take down piracy.com has, has helped a lot. Nate glass 549 00:27:13.829 --> 00:27:17.390 has been amazing. Um, I think the last one I saw, 550 00:27:17.410 --> 00:27:19.349 there was like a website and I saw it had 551 00:27:19.410 --> 00:27:22.190 like 80,000 people pirating it. 552 00:27:22.690 --> 00:27:26.230 Which was very sad. Um, but I don't know, you know, 553 00:27:26.269 --> 00:27:29.410 I guess like, I, a lot of people look at 554 00:27:29.450 --> 00:27:31.170 it like, well, they weren't, you know, they weren't going 555 00:27:31.190 --> 00:27:32.740 to buy it. And those are the kinds of people, Oh. 556 00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:34.880 There's different ways to look at it. Like I try, 557 00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:37.200 I just try not to harp on it and, uh, 558 00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:39.609 and just, I try to make people realize that like, yeah, 559 00:27:39.650 --> 00:27:41.930 you know, like you're doing a good thing if you're buying. 560 00:27:41.730 --> 00:27:42.470 It from the website. 561 00:27:43.269 --> 00:27:43.529 Yeah. 562 00:27:43.890 --> 00:27:43.970 Yeah. 563 00:27:44.009 --> 00:27:46.529 I mean, I don't know. It's to me, piracy from, 564 00:27:46.549 --> 00:27:48.700 I mean, I'm not trying to justify any of it, 565 00:27:48.750 --> 00:27:51.430 but from people like you and me, small business, people 566 00:27:51.470 --> 00:27:54.160 running their own show, running their own business. I mean, 567 00:27:54.180 --> 00:27:56.740 it's like walking out on a check on a pregnant, 568 00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:00.380 a pregnant server at a restaurant. That's, that's what it's like. 569 00:28:00.420 --> 00:28:02.660 It's exactly like that. No, but I mean, it is, it's, 570 00:28:02.779 --> 00:28:04.740 it's just, it's not, it's not cool. You know what 571 00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:07.579 I mean? You're, you're, I always do it. I, Yeah. 572 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:09.519 I always say just, I go, don't steal from the 573 00:28:09.579 --> 00:28:11.720 little guys, you know, the little guys are the ones 574 00:28:11.740 --> 00:28:13.259 who need it. Yeah. 575 00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:15.160 But anyway, like you said, enough to harp on that 576 00:28:15.180 --> 00:28:19.460 or anything. What surprised you? What surprised you most in, 577 00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:23.079 maybe that's the wrong word, but what, what, what came 578 00:28:23.259 --> 00:28:28.720 through in creating this DVD in this digital download, the documentary, 579 00:28:28.740 --> 00:28:31.630 I'll call it, I guess. What did you learn about 580 00:28:32.829 --> 00:28:37.109 comedy based wrestling because of the process and of filming 581 00:28:37.150 --> 00:28:39.039 it and knowing you were creating a documentary on it, 582 00:28:39.390 -->

00:28:41.910 did that lead you somewhere that you probably would not 583 00:28:41.950 --> 00:28:45.500 have gone? Had you not been doing a documentary that, 584 00:28:45.579 --> 00:28:48.299 that either changed the way you present what you do 585 00:28:48.339 --> 00:28:50.519 in the ring when you're doing comedy wrestling, or, or you, 586 00:28:50.660 --> 00:28:52.480 maybe you paid more attention to certain aspects of the 587 00:28:52.500 --> 00:28:55.509 crowd reaction to, to it or refined the way that 588 00:28:55.549 --> 00:28:56.789 you did things. Cause you knew it would be on 589 00:28:56.809 --> 00:29:00.349 a documentary, anything change in that regard because of that process? 590 00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:04.859 Well, you know, all of us have kind of been 591 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:05.920 doing it for a long time. 592 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:07.839 So, like, that was kind of– we wanted it to 593 00:29:07.859 --> 00:29:08.960 be natural and organic. 594 00:29:09.299 --> 00:29:11.420 I will say, though, that, like, there was a couple 595 00:29:11.460 --> 00:29:15.609 times where jokes didn't work or something. 596 00:29:15.619 --> 00:29:18.569 I just lost Colt one more time. So we're going 597 00:29:18.589 --> 00:29:20.809 to go to our bottom of the hour break. And 598 00:29:21.009 --> 00:29:23.390 when we come back, hopefully we will have Colt Cabana 599 00:29:23.410 --> 00:29:25.769 back with us. Thank you very much for your patience. 600 00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:35.740 Hey everyone, Greg Parks here. 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Your line dropped off, but we're back. 624 00:30:50.130 --> 00:30:51.750 It gave me a good excuse to go to my 625 00:30:51.789 --> 00:30:53.210 bottom of the hour break one minute early, so it 626 00:30:53.230 --> 00:30:55.319 all worked out well. go ahead with what you're saying about, 627 00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:57.059 you know, you've been doing comedy wrestling for a long time, 628 00:30:57.099 --> 00:30:59.059 but you were talking about some jokes that didn't work 629 00:30:59.140 --> 00:31:01.400 and the context, the context of that when the line 630 00:31:01.420 --> 00:31:01.900 dropped off. 631 00:31:02.890 --> 00:31:05.109 I was worried too. I was worried about putting it 632 00:31:05.150 --> 00:31:08.470 in the movie. Like it's kind of embarrassing when, you know, like, uh, 633 00:31:08.829 --> 00:31:11.329 that's like doing a comedy special, you know, stand up 634 00:31:11.390 --> 00:31:14.019 and putting in jokes that don't work. But this wasn't, 635 00:31:14.460 --> 00:31:17.980 this movie wasn't a comedy special. It was the dissection 636 00:31:18.019 --> 00:31:20.900 of comedy in wrestling. So it's, When I watched it, 637 00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:23.680 I saw how important it was to have the stuff 638 00:31:23.700 --> 00:31:26.490 that didn't work and kind of show why it didn't 639 00:31:26.529 --> 00:31:28.990 work and show our reactions to why stuff didn't work. 640 00:31:29.410 --> 00:31:31.410 And there was a thing, me and St. Louis, there 641 00:31:31.450 --> 00:31:34.269 were a couple kind of hecklers that really got under 642 00:31:34.309 --> 00:31:36.549 my skin, and we got into that a little bit. 643 00:31:36.869 --> 00:31:38.549 And then there was this match with Grado and Tracy 644 00:31:38.569 --> 00:31:42.710 Smothers that was so weird, and he knew it was weird. 645 00:31:43.069 --> 00:31:43.930 And it's fun to. 646 00:31:43.809 --> 00:31:45.950 Get behind the curtain on a match like that. 647 00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:53.930 Do you find doing comedy, when you want to do 648 00:31:53.970 --> 00:31:59.430 a comedy-style match, that you have to check with the 649 00:31:59.470 --> 00:32:01.490 promoter first to make sure that's what he's looking for? 650 00:32:01.529 --> 00:32:05.500 Do indie promoters sometimes go, no, no, I don't want that? Or, hey, Colt, 651 00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:07.119 is it always Colt, do what you want? And how 652

00:32:07.140 --> 00:32:09.559 do you decide when to do something more straight versus 653 00:32:09.579 --> 00:32:11.140 something where there's a little bit more interaction with the 654 00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:12.339 crowd trying to draw laughs? 655 00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:15.680 Yeah, you know, I'm lucky that I've just been around 656 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.420 so long and I've gained a reputation among promoters and 657 00:32:18.460 --> 00:32:20.710 people that they, you know, that they trust what I'm, 658 00:32:20.890 --> 00:32:25.009 you know, that they booked what they're going to get. So, 659 00:32:25.849 --> 00:32:29.130 I mean, if I go into something cold and there's like, 660 00:32:30.130 --> 00:32:31.710 and I've promoted it and there's a group of people 661 00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:33.920 that really know who I am, I'm probably going to 662 00:32:33.980 --> 00:32:36.000 give like a, you know, not a basic, but like 663 00:32:36.019 --> 00:32:38.720 I'm going to give my comedy, you I kind of 664 00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:42.119 have this edge of where it's not all cartoons. I 665 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:44.859 like to think of myself as a good wrestler, so 666 00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:47.390 I have this kind of hybrid style of putting it 667 00:32:47.450 --> 00:32:49.789 all in. But for the most part, the opening of 668 00:32:49.829 --> 00:32:52.130 it all, for the first five, seven minutes, I like 669 00:32:52.170 --> 00:32:54.710 to do a lot of joking around stuff. But it 670 00:32:54.750 --> 00:32:56.619 is a good question when I turn it around. And 671 00:32:56.839 --> 00:33:00.240 people think I don't know how to turn it around, 672 00:33:00.299 --> 00:33:03.640 or they don't understand, but if there's something on the, like, 673 00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:05.460 if it's just a regular match, like I'm just going 674 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:08.869 to have a good time. And my psychology is, is that, 675 00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:11.470 you know, I'm going to, I'm trying to mess with 676 00:33:11.490 --> 00:33:13.190 their heads so I can get a victory. But if 677 00:33:13.230 --> 00:33:15.730 there's something crazy on the line, if there's a belt 678 00:33:15.789 --> 00:33:17.710 on the line or a feud or whatever the situation 679 00:33:17.849 --> 00:33:20.789 and the, the, everything is heightened a lot. Like that's 680 00:33:20.829 --> 00:33:23.849 when you, you turn down the comedy and you really 681 00:33:23.890 --> 00:33:26.089 want to go in there for a serious bout. Cause something, 682 00:33:26.190 --> 00:33:28.400 something very important on the line. And I think people 683 00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:31.509 saw that, like when I wrestled Jay Lethal, uh, You know, 684 00:33:31.589 --> 00:33:33.630 and my whole Ring of Honor run, if anybody's been 685 00:33:33.650 --> 00:33:35.269 paying attention to the recent one. 686 00:33:36.289 --> 00:33:36.609 Sure. 687 00:33:36.750 --> 00:33:39.430 But I mean, now, like, you know, I came back 688 00:33:39.470 --> 00:33:42.650 and the promo I did on Lethal was like, I've 689 00:33:42.710 --> 00:33:45.369 seen all these people get the ROH championship. Back in 690 00:33:45.410 --> 00:33:47.609 the day, I was fine being the mid-card funny guy. 691 00:33:47.630 --> 00:33:49.829 But now, like, you know, I've been around and I need, 692 00:33:50.089 --> 00:33:52.430 I'd like this for my legacy. The whole run's been 693 00:33:52.450 --> 00:33:54.690 a little more serious than it has been before. But yeah, 694 00:33:54.990 --> 00:33:57.349 obviously the homicide, you know, the homicide stuff started off 695 00:33:57.410 --> 00:33:59.160 silly and And it got to a point where it 696 00:33:59.180 --> 00:34:02.529 couldn't be silly anymore. And everyone kind of saw what 697 00:34:02.549 --> 00:34:04.650 it went to. And people still talk about that. It's 698 00:34:04.690 --> 00:34:05.569 been over 10 years now. 699 00:34:06.650 --> 00:34:09.110 When you went into the homicide feud, did you see 700 00:34:09.150 --> 00:34:13.449 that as something that was– an important marker in your 701 00:34:13.469 --> 00:34:15.469 career in terms of the tone of the feud and 702 00:34:15.510 --> 00:34:17.849 it being a main event feud and the places that 703 00:34:17.869 --> 00:34:19.750 it went in the ring? Did you kind of see 704 00:34:19.789 --> 00:34:21.250 that as something different or was it just kind of 705 00:34:21.309 --> 00:34:22.710 part of the mix and it just happened to be 706 00:34:22.730 --> 00:34:24.929 the feud and it happens to be more serious? Because 707 00:34:24.969 --> 00:34:27.389 to me, I think I remember at the time thinking 708 00:34:27.469 --> 00:34:31.550 this is Colt showing that he can do something in 709 00:34:31.570 --> 00:34:33.360 a different category, not better or worse, but a different 710 00:34:33.409 --> 00:34:37.400 category of expressing emotions and intensity in a feud that 711 00:34:37.420 --> 00:34:38.619 I think you had gone before. 712 00:34:40.010 --> 00:34:42.210 Yeah, I think it was important to show my versatility. 713 00:34:43.130 --> 00:34:45.010 I know that was something that was on my mind, 714 00:34:45.050 --> 00:34:47.590 especially I'd gotten this role where I'd been this quirky 715 00:34:47.659 --> 00:34:53.039 kind of whatever I was. But also, like, I really 716 00:34:53.059 --> 00:34:55.639 like the idea of we were really opposites. 717 00:34:56.139 --> 00:34:57.300 And I really like that. 718 00:34:57.639 --> 00:34:59.760 And I like that whenever I'm trying to, you know, 719 00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:01.400 figure out somebody I'd like to feud with or somebody 720 00:35:01.420 --> 00:35:03.190 I'd like to go and do a little business with. 721 00:35:03.210 --> 00:35:06.389 Because I think that's a real fun story is just 722 00:35:06.469 --> 00:35:09.090 he was this complete street thug. And I was this 723 00:35:09.150 --> 00:35:11.630 kind of happy, fun, little Jewish kid from the suburbs. 724 00:35:12.190 -->

00:35:16.010 And when you have that kind of polar opposite, I 725 00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:20.980 think that's where you get people's attention to be like, of. 726 00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:24.300 Course, what's going to happen next? And I enjoyed going 727 00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:25.139 where we went with that. 728 00:35:26.300 --> 00:35:30.820 Very, very cool. When people go to ColtMerch.com, they can 729 00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:34.309 also buy the first two road diaries too and you've 730 00:35:34.389 --> 00:35:37.429 kind of in passing mentioned it um i want to 731 00:35:37.449 --> 00:35:40.090 go back to the the first road diaries was there 732 00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:42.519 what year did that come out with danny bryan in. 733 00:35:42.460 --> 00:35:46.679 The uh 2011 it was filmed. 734 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:49.360 In 2009 oh wow okay so there was a two-year 735 00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:50.840 turnaround was that because you didn't know you're going to 736 00:35:50.900 --> 00:35:52.820 use the footage or you didn't or why was there 737 00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:55.190 a delay i'll ask that in between it and actually 738 00:35:55.210 --> 00:35:56.929 putting it out just the time it took for the 739 00:35:56.969 --> 00:35:57.849 process the first time. 740 00:35:58.820 --> 00:36:02.500 Yeah, well, that's because I do everything by myself. I'm 741 00:36:02.539 --> 00:36:04.639 always under the belief of it's not going to get 742 00:36:04.659 --> 00:36:06.960 done unless you do it yourself. And the only person 743 00:36:07.380 --> 00:36:11.719 that cares about you the most is yourself. And so 744 00:36:11.820 --> 00:36:15.380 if you see, I edit my podcast. I do all 745 00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:17.840 my YouTube shows. I do, for the most part, my 746 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:19.460 website stuff, my everything. 747 00:36:20.659 --> 00:36:22.900 Video editing, I don't know. It's just something I just 748 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:24.420 don't know. So you put it in someone. 749 00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:28.820 Else's hands, and that's what happens. So that's what happened. 750 00:36:29.659 --> 00:36:32.760 So back in 2009, though, how did the idea come about? 751 00:36:32.860 --> 00:36:36.989 I mean, DVD business was DVD. There were still blockbuster stores, 752 00:36:37.230 --> 00:36:40.289 you know, like back in 2009. So the DVD business 753 00:36:40.309 --> 00:36:43.670 was in a different place. Were you inspired by something 754 00:36:43.750 --> 00:36:46.630 else either in wrestling or outside of wrestling that gave 755 00:36:46.690 --> 00:36:48.289 you the idea to do that specifically? 756 00:36:49.469 --> 00:36:49.690 Yeah. 757 00:36:49.809 --> 00:36:52.869 Well, my inspiration was like a lot was the comedians 758 00:36:52.909 --> 00:36:53.449 of comedy. 759 00:36:53.469 --> 00:36:54.760 I don't know if you've ever heard of that or 760 00:36:54.820 --> 00:36:56.300 seen that movie. Yeah. Yeah. 761 00:36:56.849 --> 00:37:01.900 So that was a crazy inspiration for

me. Brian and 762 00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:03.659 I had been talking about doing this for a long time, 763 00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:06.440 and the original idea was to get a camper and 764 00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.820 do three months of just traveling around. Originally, I don't 765 00:37:09.860 --> 00:37:11.380 even think we were going to document it. I think 766 00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:13.230 we just wanted to jump in a camper and just 767 00:37:13.289 --> 00:37:16.530 travel around America as wrestlers because we both had done 768 00:37:17.230 --> 00:37:21.349 the Butlin Circuit in England where we did three months, 769 00:37:21.429 --> 00:37:25.699 and we just traveled around these camps wrestling. And we 770 00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:28.219 just wanted to do that in America. So originally we 771 00:37:28.260 --> 00:37:29.639 had done that, and then we were like, oh, we 772 00:37:29.659 --> 00:37:32.199 should film it. And we'd be like, that's amazing. And 773 00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:35.599 then eventually, you know, that's how wrestlers do it. We 774 00:37:35.900 --> 00:37:38.239 talk big talks, but we never really do anything by ourselves. 775 00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:40.929 We hope somebody else does something for us. And eventually, 776 00:37:40.949 --> 00:37:42.969 you know, I think I just came back from WWE, 777 00:37:43.570 --> 00:37:46.690 and we still wanted to do it. And I was like, well, obviously, like, 778 00:37:46.750 --> 00:37:47.909 if this is going to get done, I got to 779 00:37:47.949 --> 00:37:50.210 do it. So I kind of put it all together. 780 00:37:50.230 --> 00:37:51.360 And I was like, well, I'm going to do it. 781 00:37:51.650 --> 00:37:52.300 And he's like, great. 782 00:37:52.530 --> 00:37:55.260 And so we made up this 10-day tour. And, uh, 783 00:37:55.349 --> 00:37:56.929 and we just got it done. And a lot of 784 00:37:56.949 --> 00:37:59.389 it was like, I I'd watched the comedians of comedy 785 00:37:59.429 --> 00:38:02.050 and I'd become like enthralled with all comedy. For those 786 00:38:02.070 --> 00:38:04.949 of you don't know, it's like Brian Poseidon, Zach Falk, Galifianakis, 787 00:38:04.989 --> 00:38:07.849 Patton Oswalt, Maria Bamford. And they're all like in this 788 00:38:07.909 --> 00:38:10.199 van traveling around. And it was before they became really, 789 00:38:10.260 --> 00:38:12.889 really big stars. They were decent stars, but they weren't 790 00:38:12.909 --> 00:38:14.699 like the huge stars that some of them are now. 791 00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:16.219 Even maybe some of you guys don't even know who 792 00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:18.940 those guys are, but, um, it was something like I'd 793 00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:20.960 never seen before. And I love the idea of like 794 00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:22.179 a tour documentary. 795 00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:23.059 And that's kind of what it was. 796 00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:25.980 And so that's something that just wasn't done in 2009 797 00:38:25.980 --> 00:38:27.039 in wrestling. 798 00:38:27.659 --> 00:38:30.119 And now it's a little bit. 799 00:38:30.139 --> 00:38:33.619 I think the network tries to do some of that stuff, 800 00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:37.840 but not independent wrestling. It's such a weird world, independent wrestling. 801 00:38:37.860 --> 00:38:39.539 So I'm glad that we're able to do that. And 802 00:38:39.579 --> 00:38:41.039 I take that back. I'm sure there are some people 803 00:38:41.079 --> 00:38:42.780 who do some kind of that stuff, but just not 804 00:38:42.820 --> 00:38:44.300 that I'm that aware of. 805 00:38:44.619 --> 00:38:46.179 You know, Louis Thoreau, did you ever see that one? 806 00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:47.699 No, I haven't. 807 00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:49.949 The BBC documentary. 808 00:38:50.019 --> 00:38:52.139 It was, I think it was in like 1995 where 809 00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:55.300 Louis Thoreau took the weird world or something. He's a British, 810 00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.219 he's a British guy. And he just, he just came 811 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:00.820 in and like, it was on different subcultures. And this 812 00:39:00.860 --> 00:39:03.800 was about wrestling. And he went to the power plant and, uh, 813 00:39:03.820 --> 00:39:06.320 the Sarge like beat the crap out of him. And 814 00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:08.960 he tried to get Roddy Piper, like behind, behind the 815 00:39:08.980 --> 00:39:11.559 scenes on nitro. And he asked Roddy Piper, I think 816 00:39:11.699 --> 00:39:14.119 like it got to like a question about fakeness and 817 00:39:14.260 --> 00:39:16.969 Roddy like blew up at him, but he also followed this, um, 818 00:39:17.409 --> 00:39:20.340 He also followed this independent group out of North Carolina. 819 00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.860 And it was so like, it was so sweet. And they, 820 00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:26.369 you know, the, the big time guys, they push Louis 821 00:39:26.389 --> 00:39:28.130 throw away. They're like, we don't have time for you. 822 00:39:28.389 --> 00:39:30.360 And you can tell these guys in North Carolina, they 823 00:39:30.389 --> 00:39:32.840 were like they couldn't believe that a guy from BBC 824 00:39:32.860 --> 00:39:34.960 was talking to them so they let him in the 825 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.960 locker room and they they showed him where everybody worked 826 00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:39.119 and they just made him such a part of the 827 00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:41.880 family and like that was like one of the original 828 00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:44.079 independent like where you really get a good look at 829 00:39:44.139 --> 00:39:46.679 independence from me getting a look at that and the 830 00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:47.559 Brookside Diaries I. 831 00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:49.280 Don't know if you've seen the Brookside Diaries. 832 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:53.769 No You're talking me into a documentary weekend, though. 833 00:39:54.610 --> 00:39:55.730 Go on YouTube. 834 00:39:56.550 --> 00:40:02.030 BBC commissioned in 1993, I believe,

Robbie Brookside to carry 835 00:40:02.050 --> 00:40:05.429 around his own camera, and he just carried it around, 836 00:40:05.489 --> 00:40:09.500 and he documented his life as an independent wrestler at that. 837 00:40:09.429 --> 00:40:13.500 Time, and it's on YouTube. You can buy the Brookside Diaries. 838 00:40:13.539 --> 00:40:17.300 It's like 16 hours, but the one on YouTube is 839 00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:19.880 just the hour-long one that BBC put out. And you 840 00:40:19.940 --> 00:40:22.000 see guys like you see Paige's dad when he was 841 00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.059 younger and you see PN News and you see all 842 00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:26.880 these guys over there like touring over there at that time. 843 00:40:26.900 --> 00:40:28.920 And it's really, really, it's a great look at like 844 00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:32.320 how like that life really is when you're making 30 845 00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:34.849 quid or 30 pounds a night or 40 pounds a night. 846 00:40:35.170 --> 00:40:36.349 I couldn't recommend that one more. 847 00:40:37.150 --> 00:40:41.650 Awesome. Awesome. When you were editing, when you're put together 848 00:40:41.670 --> 00:40:44.130 and then, you know, going through the editing process in 849 00:40:44.170 --> 00:40:46.570 as much as you had control, it sounds like you 850 00:40:46.670 --> 00:40:48.570 didn't always have final say in terms of length in that. 851 00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:51.199 was there anything in the filming of the first one? 852 00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:55.090 Cause that's when you're kind of inspired by these other examples, 853 00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:56.869 but knowing this is going to be out there forever, 854 00:40:57.289 --> 00:40:59.010 were there things that you did not put in the 855 00:40:59.050 --> 00:41:02.230 first one that now you look back after, you know, 856 00:41:02.309 --> 00:41:04.789 how much of a, like Drew's crotch we got to 857 00:41:04.829 --> 00:41:06.369 see in the second one. Do you ever look back 858 00:41:06.389 --> 00:41:08.030 and go, yeah, we should have, we should have put 859 00:41:08.050 --> 00:41:10.110 more stuff in the first one that we left out. 860 00:41:10.170 --> 00:41:12.429 We could have even pushed the border more or were you, 861 00:41:12.449 --> 00:41:15.519 or did you almost fault into just not fault, but 862 00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:18.880 just Everything just... You weren't worried about editing out anything 863 00:41:19.300 --> 00:41:20.940 personal or embarrassing in that first one. 864 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:23.760 No, yeah, I was fine with that. 865 00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:25.460 And there was also this weird thing, like, where I 866 00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:27.179 was hitting on this girl that everyone kind of gives 867 00:41:27.219 --> 00:41:32.380 me shit for in the first one. But the only 868 00:41:32.420 --> 00:41:35.019 thing I said was, hey, I just don't want guys 869 00:41:35.059 --> 00:41:38.699 calling their matches. I don't want, like, that process really 870 00:41:38.739 --> 00:41:39.320 put in there. 871 00:41:39.929 --> 00:41:42.130 And, you know, not that, like. 872 00:41:42.489 --> 00:41:44.449 I understand what wrestling is. 873 00:41:44.489 --> 00:41:46.730 I think we all do. But there's something... To me, 874 00:41:46.750 --> 00:41:51.349 there's still something about that magic where we know it's magic, 875 00:41:51.389 --> 00:41:52.550 but don't. 876 00:41:52.449 --> 00:41:54.349 Tell me exactly how you cut the girl in half, 877 00:41:54.389 --> 00:41:57.300 you know, that kind of thing. So that's the only 878 00:41:57.320 --> 00:41:59.159 thing I requested that really wasn't put in there. It 879 00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:03.500 was more about the story and, you know, the story 880 00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:06.340 of just how the life works, not necessarily the intricacy 881 00:42:06.980 --> 00:42:08.579 of how you put a match together. 882 00:42:09.460 --> 00:42:16.340 So coltmerch.com, I think you can get all three for $ 45. 883 00:42:14.420 --> 00:42:17.820 And if you've already got the previous... couple, then you 884 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:20.940 can order Wrestling Road Diaries 3 on DVD for $ 20 885 00:42:20.349 --> 00:42:24.110 or digital download. What was the date on the digital download? 886 00:42:25.230 --> 00:42:25.949 November 11th. 887 00:42:26.650 --> 00:42:30.130 November 11th. Okay, cool. I think it says the 16th 888 00:42:30.170 --> 00:42:31.219 on your website, so that's where I got it. 889 00:42:31.230 --> 00:42:31.989 Yeah, I've got it fixed. 890 00:42:32.849 --> 00:42:38.139 Okay, fair enough. All right, Colt, the different paths your 891 00:42:38.179 --> 00:42:41.320 career has taken you, one of them is podcasting. And 892 00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:45.039 it is, I mean, it's stunning what's happened in the 893 00:42:45.059 --> 00:42:50.309 last three years with wrestler hosted podcast. And I mean, 894 00:42:50.670 --> 00:42:55.230 you know, I've been interviewing, doing torch talk interviews, you know, recording, transcribing, 895 00:42:55.289 --> 00:42:57.849 putting them in the torch newsletters since the late eighties. 896 00:42:58.889 --> 00:43:01.389 And then the shoot tapes came along after that. And 897 00:43:01.409 --> 00:43:03.409 then in the mix, there were talks, there were radio 898 00:43:03.449 --> 00:43:06.289 talk shows, pro wrestling, spotlight radio with John Oreske was 899 00:43:06.309 --> 00:43:08.170 the longest running one for the late eighties, the mid nineties, 900 00:43:08.570 --> 00:43:10.280 a new episode of that, by the way, that's never 901 00:43:10.300 --> 00:43:12.559 been heard since it aired. Originally we'll drop tonight for 902 00:43:12.699 --> 00:43:16.659 PW torch VIP members at PW torch VIP.com. If you're 903 00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:21.690 not a member, PWTorch.com slash GoVIP for details. Every Thursday night, 904 00:43:21.710 --> 00:43:24.150 we drop an old early 90s radio show from John 905 00:43:24.170 --> 00:43:26.510

Arezzi's Pro Wrestling Spotlight. So he would– that's my little plug. 906 00:43:26.789 --> 00:43:29.250 So then he would– he'd interview wrestlers. I did on 907 00:43:29.289 --> 00:43:31.929 my K-Fan show. There were other shows. Jim Vallee hosted 908 00:43:31.949 --> 00:43:34.329 the Total Chaos. So, I mean, there's been different media 909 00:43:34.389 --> 00:43:41.159 incarnations of hosts interviewing wrestlers. But a wrestler interviewing wrestlers 910 00:43:41.340 --> 00:43:43.280 and the title of your podcast, The Art of Wrestling, 911 00:43:43.500 --> 00:43:46.840 I always think that– that wasn't an accident, you know, 912 00:43:46.860 --> 00:43:51.500 what you call that. And, um, that has changed. I mean, 913 00:43:51.539 --> 00:43:53.739 I don't, I will ask you instead of stammering, do 914 00:43:53.780 --> 00:43:57.260 you think Steve Austin, Chris Jericho, Eric, but all these 915 00:43:57.320 --> 00:43:59.659 people would be doing these podcasts today on podcast one 916 00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:02.260 TAS on CBS radio, if it weren't for the art 917 00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:02.659 of wrestling. 918 00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:07.320 So I, I took the concept from, from comedians and you, 919 00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:09.559 maybe you can catch on a theme here as I 920 00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:13.320 talked about the comedians of comedy. And so, uh, when 921 00:44:13.500 --> 00:44:16.539 I started mine in July of 2010, Nobody was doing that. 922 00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:19.699 I think Austin started his in 2013 or 14. 923 00:44:19.699 --> 00:44:23.079 And at that time, I was a huge comedy fan. 924 00:44:23.139 --> 00:44:23.699 Still am. 925 00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:28.860 Hardwick and Marin and Corolla. These guys were talking to 926 00:44:28.909 --> 00:44:34.090 their peers and helping open up the window of that world. 927 00:44:34.230 --> 00:44:37.130 And I felt it did really good business for the 928 00:44:37.170 --> 00:44:39.710 comedy world as people were starting to understand these people 929 00:44:39.769 --> 00:44:42.329 more because their friends were talking to them. And it's 930 00:44:42.349 --> 00:44:45.050 a lot easier now. Uh, it's a lot easier to 931 00:44:45.150 --> 00:44:47.789 open up to somebody because these were conversations that I'd 932 00:44:47.809 --> 00:44:50.690 been having in the locker rooms for years. And so 933 00:44:51.030 --> 00:44:53.849 basically all we were doing was, was just, uh, filming 934 00:44:53.869 --> 00:44:57.510 them for audio, if you will. Um, so, uh, do 935 00:44:57.590 --> 00:45:03.199 I think that Austin, so yeah, I do because, uh, I, 936 00:45:03.949 --> 00:45:08.010 I think everyone thought it was okay to, when Austin 937 00:45:08.070 --> 00:45:10.489 started doing it, if that makes sense. 938 00:45:10.510 --> 00:45:11.409 I know what you're. 939 00:45:11.309 --> 00:45:14.869 Saying, yeah. Yeah, no one was doing it. I think 940 00:45:15.349 --> 00:45:18.199 it was about– people don't realize that all the– I 941 00:45:18.219 --> 00:45:20.820 think a lot of wrestlers were like, look at Colt. 942 00:45:21.739 --> 00:45:23.280 For lack of a better word, look at this Mark 943 00:45:23.300 --> 00:45:27.039 doing this stupid show and not seeing the potential or 944 00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:30.599 the foresight that I saw. And people were always like, oh, 945 00:45:30.619 --> 00:45:31.239 I'm not going to do that. 946 00:45:31.260 --> 00:45:32.940 That's stupid. That's internet radio. 947 00:45:33.469 --> 00:45:35.150 And then when the number one guy in all of 948 00:45:35.230 --> 00:45:37.710 wrestling is like, yeah, it's okay to do it, then 949 00:45:37.849 --> 00:45:42.230 everyone underneath goes, oh, it's okay to do. And that 950 00:45:42.269 --> 00:45:44.829 came from, you know, Steve was on Adam Carolla's show, 951 00:45:45.849 --> 00:45:48.880 and I think he started liking the idea of podcasting. 952 00:45:48.889 --> 00:45:52.079 And when Steve first started, because I did one of 953 00:45:52.139 --> 00:45:53.699 his early shows, and I know you did too, but 954 00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:56.440 he was calling me and texting me, and he's like, 955 00:45:56.500 --> 00:45:59.519 I'm listening to your shows. So obviously someone was like, 956 00:45:59.539 --> 00:46:01.500 here's a guy who does it, you know, if you 957 00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:03.059 want to kind of get a gist of how these 958 00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:03.699 kind of work. 959 00:46:04.380 --> 00:46:06.889 And I know he really liked the rollerball Rocco episode. 960 00:46:06.929 --> 00:46:08.170 That was one of his favorites. 961 00:46:08.190 --> 00:46:12.150 So, so I think, yeah, like I, I was able 962 00:46:12.170 --> 00:46:14.510 to be like a trendsetter and a starter, but the 963 00:46:14.550 --> 00:46:16.780 reality is, is I think all of these started because 964 00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:17.539 Steve did his show. 965 00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:22.139 It's next-level coverage that you come to expect from the 966 00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:27.380 PW Torch brand. No AI, no rookie perspectives, no unfounded rumors, 967 00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:32.070 no clickbait, no deceptive headlines, just high-quality writing, breaking news, 968 00:46:32.269 --> 00:46:36.510 and fascinating flashbacks every day at pwtorch.com. Pull yourself away 969 00:46:36.610 --> 00:46:38.849 from the vacuous social media experience that I know many 970 00:46:38.869 --> 00:46:41.769 of you regret once you get lost in it for minutes, 971 00:46:41.809 --> 00:46:44.090 if not hours at a time, and settle in for 972 00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:50.230 high-quality PW Torch-branded wrestling coverage. Very humble answer. I'll give 973 00:46:50.250 --> 00:46:52.530 you more credit than you're giving yourself in that regard. 974 00:46:53.289 --> 00:46:57.610 But I think maybe there's some inevitability in the sense 975 00:46:57.650 --> 00:47:03.760 that podcasting itself has created a way to host a 976 00:47:04.019 --> 00:47:07.400 podcast

if you're a name, if you're known in your field, 977 00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:10.940 to be able to host a show and do it 978 00:47:11.099 --> 00:47:13.480 without having to go to a radio studio and deal 979 00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.460 with everything that is there and have it available on demand. 980 00:47:17.010 --> 00:47:19.170 I'm not saying it's like nobody could see this coming, 981 00:47:19.230 --> 00:47:22.800 but when 12, 13, about 13 years ago, we started 982 00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:28.539 doing PWTorch VIP audio shows by subscription. We still call 983 00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:31.579 them VIP audio shows because the word podcasting wasn't invented yet. 984 00:47:31.980 --> 00:47:34.199 When we started doing this and it was just on 985 00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:36.030 our own server, there weren't– I mean I don't think 986 00:47:36.050 --> 00:47:38.469 there were even RSS feeds yet. to, to do it. 987 00:47:38.469 --> 00:47:40.570 We just, it was just download or stream it off 988 00:47:40.610 --> 00:47:43.449 of these weird third-party flash players. Or I had to 989 00:47:43.590 --> 00:47:46.050 explain to people, you know, how to download an MP3 990 00:47:46.190 --> 00:47:48.699 onto their computer. And, and, and I remember we always 991 00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:50.780 wanted to keep shows shorter than 45 minutes so people 992 00:47:50.820 --> 00:47:52.559 could burn them onto their CDs to play them in 993 00:47:52.579 --> 00:47:55.380 their CD player in their car. And, you know, finally 994 00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:56.699 people said, you don't have to do that anymore. No 995 00:47:56.719 --> 00:48:00.260 one's doing that after a few years. It's just like 996 00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:03.230 where that was 13 years ago and really five years ago, 997 00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:07.869 to now is is crazy how do you think that 998 00:48:08.650 --> 00:48:10.289 for you I mean you know your numbers and all 999 00:48:10.309 --> 00:48:14.690 that but do you think that other wrestlers hosting shows 1000 00:48:14.789 --> 00:48:18.940 and creating so many more options out there has drawn 1001 00:48:18.980 --> 00:48:22.559 more attention to the podcasting world and helped your awareness 1002 00:48:22.579 --> 00:48:25.219 to your show and your listenership or has it divided 1003 00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:27.260 the market a little bit more than it was uh 1004 00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:28.000 three four years. 1005 00:48:27.889 --> 00:48:32.659 Ago I have different answers for that in different periods 1006 00:48:32.699 --> 00:48:34.780 of my career. I will say this before you get 1007 00:48:34.820 --> 00:48:38.119 into anything. I don't think any of these guys would 1008 00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:40.000 be doing any of this if money wasn't. 1009 00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:45.250 Involved, sadly. Not sadly, I don't know. 1010 00:48:46.409 --> 00:48:48.969 I started it not knowing that there would be any 1011 00:48:49.010 --> 00:48:51.130 real money in it except that I could sell

my DVDs. 1012 00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:54.300 And then when all of a sudden, you know, I 1013 00:48:54.340 --> 00:48:56.739 go through a company called Midroll and guys like Midroll 1014 00:48:56.780 --> 00:48:59.880 and Podcast One start to figure out how to monetize podcasts, 1015 00:49:01.340 --> 00:49:03.699 then you saw the floodgates open. And that was Steve, too. 1016 00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:06.219 You know, he only started because someone was like, you 1017 00:49:06.260 --> 00:49:08.289 can make a lot of money on it. And I 1018 00:49:08.309 --> 00:49:11.610 won't say that's a fact. Allegedly, I'd say he started that. But, 1019 00:49:11.650 --> 00:49:14.409 you know, he's, you know, Sherry's Berries and all these 1020 00:49:14.449 --> 00:49:17.550 guys you see him pushing, like, oh, that's because he's 1021 00:49:17.610 --> 00:49:18.530 making a lot of money. 1022 00:49:18.610 --> 00:49:18.929 And so. 1023 00:49:19.980 --> 00:49:24.280 I think that was one of the main factors. So 1024 00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:25.920 my numbers were great, you know, for the first three 1025 00:49:25.940 --> 00:49:27.619 or four years. Then I think when Steve started that 1026 00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:31.519 and Jericho, then people were like, podcast, what's that? And 1027 00:49:31.539 --> 00:49:33.260 then they're like, what are the other good podcasts? And 1028 00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:35.460 then my numbers started, you know, getting even better, I think. 1029 00:49:36.150 --> 00:49:40.460 And now I think it's starting to divide, which is fine. 1030 00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:43.000 Because I'm not really in it. I am in it 1031 00:49:43.019 --> 00:49:44.820 for the numbers a little bit, but I'm in it 1032 00:49:44.980 --> 00:49:46.179 to find my audience. 1033 00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:50.610 So there's people that I really don't want listening to 1034 00:49:50.619 --> 00:49:53.210 my show. 1035 00:49:53.630 --> 00:49:57.349 For me, it's more– what's that? When you said there's 1036 00:49:57.369 --> 00:49:58.489 people you don't want listening to your show, I just 1037 00:49:58.530 --> 00:50:00.329 kind of nodded like, yeah, I get what you're saying. 1038 00:50:01.210 --> 00:50:01.650 Yeah. 1039 00:50:01.730 --> 00:50:04.349 I want, you know, I want quality or I want 1040 00:50:04.469 --> 00:50:07.389 quantity over quality. Like I'm not, there's just, there's a 1041 00:50:07.409 --> 00:50:10.849 demographic that I'm not looking to please. And so, you know, my, 1042 00:50:10.949 --> 00:50:13.610 my show is about, is about kind of like the, 1043 00:50:14.260 --> 00:50:16.460 I kind of like get inside our heads of like 1044 00:50:16.900 --> 00:50:19.860 where we are emotionally in different points of our career, 1045 00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:22.900 not necessarily the storylines or news or whatever. And people 1046 00:50:22.940 --> 00:50:25.360 who gravitate towards that and towards my story, because my 1047 00:50:25.380 --> 00:50:27.599 story is very emotionally based, a guy who had a 1048 00:50:27.659 --> 00:50:30.829 dream who wanted to be in WWE and, literally literally 1049 00:50:30.929 --> 00:50:33.090 was the worst wwe wrestler of all time and it's 1050 00:50:33.110 --> 00:50:34.949 like how do you pick yourself up from that and 1051 00:50:34.989 --> 00:50:37.449 continue in the wrestling industry and that's kind of like 1052 00:50:37.510 --> 00:50:40.579 the you know that's the the origin story of the 1053 00:50:40.699 --> 00:50:44.460 podcast so um so yeah it has been divided but 1054 00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:49.739 also like why wouldn't you have a podcast if you're 1055 00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:52.199 a wrestler and you try to get and you feel 1056 00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:55.460 you have a different like I'm up for every, everyone 1057 00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:57.539 should have a show. If they have something to say 1058 00:50:57.579 --> 00:50:59.159 and something important to say, and they have a good 1059 00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:00.960 point of view and they know what they want to 1060 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:03.360 say and they're, and they're able to give something nice to, 1061 00:51:03.570 --> 00:51:06.889 to the consumer. Like I don't, I, you know, I, I, 1062 00:51:06.949 --> 00:51:09.170 everyone says there's too many, but like, why wouldn't you 1063 00:51:09.210 --> 00:51:09.469 have one? 1064 00:51:09.510 --> 00:51:10.429 It's so easy to do. 1065 00:51:11.929 --> 00:51:12.110 Yeah. 1066 00:51:12.210 --> 00:51:14.429 And I mean, there's so many more, I mean, the, the, 1067 00:51:14.730 --> 00:51:17.969 in so many people, everybody has smartphones just about, and 1068 00:51:18.150 --> 00:51:21.409 the podcast apps have become better and more convenient. And it's, 1069 00:51:21.510 --> 00:51:24.550 I mean, it's just, it's, it's amazing how, just where 1070 00:51:24.570 --> 00:51:27.260 it was three years ago versus today in terms of 1071 00:51:27.300 --> 00:51:30.780 just the awareness of it. And almost, I mean, I 1072 00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:33.320 actually haven't researched just how many people on their smartphones 1073 00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:35.880 have a podcast app that they, that where they actually 1074 00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:37.260 subscribe to at least, you know, one or two or 1075 00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:39.780 three podcasts. I, the percentage has to be so much higher. 1076 00:51:39.820 --> 00:51:42.800 So I think the audience has grown. Certainly radio, you know, 1077 00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:45.500 has felt the brunt of it. Although a lot of 1078 00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:48.159 radio stations now, you know, I hearts and et cetera, 1079 00:51:48.179 --> 00:51:51.019 you know, CBS radio, they're just diversifying too. So, so 1080 00:51:51.059 --> 00:51:54.139 I'd say when, when, you talked about not going certain 1081 00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:55.980 places in it. And I made a note to bring 1082 00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:58.300 this to round back to this, that, you know, you 1083 00:51:58.320 -->

00:52:00.340 don't want to talk about or show on the documentary, 1084 00:52:00.389 --> 00:52:04.349 the calling of matches. I've always found that with wrestlers, 1085 00:52:04.610 --> 00:52:08.929 they'll talk about almost anything with me, even sometimes just 1086 00:52:09.409 --> 00:52:13.530 off air over the years, but that's the area that 1087 00:52:13.630 --> 00:52:16.150 they won't, that, that there's been the most I've noticed. 1088 00:52:16.590 --> 00:52:18.250 And they don't overtly go, I'm not going to talk 1089 00:52:18.269 --> 00:52:20.739 about this, but there there's almost like this force field where, 1090 00:52:20.900 --> 00:52:24.800 that repels conversation away from that in that that's kind 1091 00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:29.340 of the last area of not mystery. Cause people know, 1092 00:52:29.420 --> 00:52:31.679 and there were those, you know, Fox aired or whatever 1093 00:52:31.699 --> 00:52:34.579 it was, those secrets of wrestling documentaries with the mask 1094 00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:36.500 guy and all that. I mean, the knowledge is out there, 1095 00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:38.940 but I respect the hell out of the fact that 1096 00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:43.360 wrestlers don't want to just pull the curtain back on everything. 1097 00:52:43.699 --> 00:52:46.320 And there is that kind of one last space that 1098 00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:48.880 isn't just delved into in depth on a weekly basis 1099 00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:49.420 by wrestlers. 1100 00:52:50.659 --> 00:52:52.400 Yeah, well, they do know, but. 1101 00:52:52.340 --> 00:52:55.320 They don't, you know, like, because my style, you know, 1102 00:52:55.420 --> 00:52:59.159 speaking for myself, like, you know, people don't know if 1103 00:52:59.219 --> 00:53:02.159 the whole thing is scripted, you know, if there's improv, 1104 00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:05.360 it's just like, right, that's the last mystery, and I 1105 00:53:05.449 --> 00:53:08.289 think because it's only allowed to be done in that 1106 00:53:08.369 --> 00:53:11.429 room behind closed doors, you know, like, away from everybody else, 1107 00:53:12.190 --> 00:53:15.610 and I hope fans respect that, I would think so, like, 1108 00:53:16.190 --> 00:53:17.809 you know, like, and that's part of the fun, I 1109 00:53:17.829 --> 00:53:19.429 think that's part of the fun of watching a match, too, 1110 00:53:19.489 --> 00:53:22.679 is is not knowing like what's, you know, what was 1111 00:53:22.699 --> 00:53:25.110 supposed to and what wasn't. And, and I know they 1112 00:53:25.150 --> 00:53:26.789 want to know the answer. And that's the fun is 1113 00:53:26.829 --> 00:53:29.070 that we get to, you know, in this day and 1114 00:53:29.090 --> 00:53:30.510 age where everything's kind of exposed. 1115 00:53:30.530 --> 00:53:31.730 Everything's exposed. 1116 00:53:31.789 --> 00:53:34.610 We can keep that one little fun thing to where, 1117 00:53:34.750 --> 00:53:37.159 you know, they, you know, it leaves that one question mark. 1118 00:53:37.179 --> 00:53:38.860 They're not really sure. Is it, or isn't it? 1119 00:53:39.619 --> 00:53:41.940 Well, that's, what's fun about reality TV. I mean, there's 1120 00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:44.230 a lot of bad reality TV, but you watch and, 1121 00:53:44.260 --> 00:53:46.719 you know, there's a producer who, turning someone around and 1122 00:53:46.760 --> 00:53:49.000 pointing them going, go there and say this, you know, 1123 00:53:49.019 --> 00:53:50.980 I mean, you know, that stuff's going on or we're 1124 00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:52.360 going to set up this meeting. We're not going to 1125 00:53:52.420 --> 00:53:54.800 tell people on the show that they're going to bump 1126 00:53:54.820 --> 00:53:56.219 into each other at the diner, but they're kind of 1127 00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:57.929 know something's going to happen. The cameras are rolling, make 1128 00:53:57.949 --> 00:53:59.650 the best of it, but you don't know, you know, 1129 00:53:59.690 --> 00:54:01.110 you don't know, do these people really hate each other 1130 00:54:01.170 --> 00:54:04.829 or not? And I, I mean, I wish even more 1131 00:54:04.869 --> 00:54:08.199 of that was back. Like, I don't want Bray Wyatt, 1132 00:54:08.829 --> 00:54:11.590 for instance, to be doing local radio shows saying, hey, 1133 00:54:11.630 --> 00:54:14.139 I hope all the kids come out and remember my 1134 00:54:14.179 --> 00:54:16.260 performance and talk about it at school. I want him 1135 00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:19.440 either not to do radio or to be like Baron 1136 00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:21.840 Corbin is on Talking Smack, a jerk who acts like 1137 00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:25.110 he doesn't want to be there because that creates an 1138 00:54:25.210 --> 00:54:27.670 aura of mystery. I don't want Sasha Banks and Charlotte 1139 00:54:28.110 --> 00:54:30.110 on Twitter to be talking about how great their segment 1140 00:54:30.130 --> 00:54:32.849 was on Raw. I want them, if they interact at all, 1141 00:54:33.210 --> 00:54:36.469 to make me wonder, at least make me wonder if 1142 00:54:36.550 --> 00:54:39.690 something is really– you know, something's heated up. I watched 1143 00:54:40.190 --> 00:54:44.349 total Bellas and I see John Cena being as our 1144 00:54:44.530 --> 00:54:48.070 Sarah K, our correspondent who reviews the show, the worst 1145 00:54:48.090 --> 00:54:49.800 boyfriend in the world, she calls him, you know, he's 1146 00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:51.920 just like, is he really that bad? Or is it 1147 00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:54.940 just the producers like making them look that bad? Like 1148 00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:57.659 I want that mystery. That's fun. And so I, as 1149 00:54:57.719 --> 00:55:00.539 much as all these podcasts are out there, the wrestling industry, Colt, 1150 00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:04.880 I think still has control over the, how much of 1151 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:08.679 what happens in the ring is, is orchestrated, preplanned, or improvised. 1152 00:55:08.780 -->

00:55:12.260 And they also have control over how much of what 1153 00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:15.070 we see with Miz even. Kind of a little bit 1154 00:55:15.090 --> 00:55:18.690 over-the-top character. Is he full of himself? Has this gone 1155 00:55:18.710 --> 00:55:20.269 to his head? Does he really think he's like the 1156 00:55:20.309 --> 00:55:23.010 next Rock? Give us a story to believe in. Like, 1157 00:55:24.329 --> 00:55:28.059 don't ruin that as soon as I turn off Raw 1158 00:55:28.099 --> 00:55:29.980 or SmackDown and turn on Talking Smack or go to 1159 00:55:30.019 --> 00:55:32.539 a podcast. I kind of like, in all cases, not knowing. 1160 00:55:33.670 --> 00:55:35.690 Well, isn't that kind of like why Brock Lesnar is 1161 00:55:35.710 --> 00:55:36.510 so awesome, right? 1162 00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:39.099 Yes, absolutely. 1163 00:55:39.139 --> 00:55:41.619 He just hides away in the woods. We don't know 1164 00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:45.280 what's going on. 1165 00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:46.440 Totally, totally. 1166 00:55:47.500 --> 00:55:48.480 But he's built that. 1167 00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:50.460 The problem is that a lot of us, we have 1168 00:55:50.500 --> 00:55:55.500 to build this. He's built that reputation over the years, 1169 00:55:55.780 --> 00:55:57.340 and it's been built in for him, so he can 1170 00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:03.579 do that. A guy like me is like, I need 1171 00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:07.980 to build. 1172 00:56:06.219 --> 00:56:07.420 A rapport with the fans. 1173 00:56:08.059 --> 00:56:09.599 I need to get them drawn in because I don't 1174 00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:12.539 have a TV show. I don't have any of this. 1175 00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:14.940 All I have is the ability to be honest and 1176 00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:18.699 open as much as I want to be. 1177 00:56:19.869 --> 00:56:20.650 It's my outlet. 1178 00:56:20.809 --> 00:56:25.670 It's not the USA Network. It's podcasting and YouTube and whatnot. 1179 00:56:26.150 --> 00:56:27.469 I agree. 1180 00:56:27.489 --> 00:56:29.610 I want to hit a few other subjects in the 1181 00:56:29.630 --> 00:56:32.599 last five minutes here. Do you find when you go 1182 00:56:32.619 --> 00:56:35.139 to indie shows, autograph sightings and the like, and you 1183 00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:38.760 meet people in person because of your podcast, that people 1184 00:56:38.820 --> 00:56:41.400 react to you differently than they did before the podcast? 1185 00:56:42.019 --> 00:56:44.690 And does it sometimes cross a line where there's a 1186 00:56:44.789 --> 00:56:47.590 familiarity that people feel with you because of the intimacy 1187 00:56:47.730 --> 00:56:50.329 of wearing earplugs and you're talking right to them and 1188 00:56:50.349 --> 00:56:53.809 they're listening and you share things about your life? Do 1189 00:56:54.150 --> 00:56:57.480 you ever feel like people are almost– and I mean, 1190 00:56:57.780 --> 00:56:59.780 this is bad for marketing to go, I don't like 1191 00:56:59.820

--> 00:57:01.659 my fans when they think I'm their friend– but do 1192 00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:04.679 some people actually think, you know, that they know you 1193 00:57:04.699 --> 00:57:06.639 a little better than probably they should and cross the line? 1194 00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:09.960 No, but like, I like, I love that there's the 1195 00:57:10.019 --> 00:57:13.300 fans that are aware and they'll be like, I feel 1196 00:57:13.340 --> 00:57:15.590 like I were best friends, but I know obviously we're not, 1197 00:57:16.250 --> 00:57:18.809 you know, like a hundred, but what you're saying, but 1198 00:57:18.829 --> 00:57:21.510 then I like to think that, that my group of fans, 1199 00:57:21.550 --> 00:57:24.570 like they're, they're kind of self-aware of what's going on. And, 1200 00:57:24.809 --> 00:57:26.750 and then when that's brought to attention, that makes for 1201 00:57:26.769 --> 00:57:28.230 a fun conversation that I can. 1202 00:57:28.110 --> 00:57:30.210 Then have with them. So, Yeah, I do. 1203 00:57:30.369 --> 00:57:32.030 And people, you know, I've been doing it six and 1204 00:57:32.050 --> 00:57:34.190 a half years now, so people will tell me, like, 1205 00:57:34.230 --> 00:57:35.889 I've been listening to you, you know, for so long, 1206 00:57:35.929 --> 00:57:38.030 and people have told me I've gotten them through hardships. 1207 00:57:38.769 --> 00:57:41.599 And I was talking about this with MVP, where, like, 1208 00:57:42.059 --> 00:57:44.119 he was telling me, because he had started a podcast, 1209 00:57:44.179 --> 00:57:47.079 and he was just like, you know, like, I don't know, 1210 00:57:47.099 --> 00:57:50.099 he's like, my numbers aren't the best, but I, you know, 1211 00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:52.239 I have this relationship now with people. I'm like, yeah, man, 1212 00:57:52.260 --> 00:57:54.500 when you were in WWE, you just went city to city. 1213 00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:56.780 You, you, you, you know, you thought you were a 1214 00:57:56.780 --> 00:57:58.360 big star. You were signing autographs. 1215 00:57:58.420 --> 00:58:01.619 Like you didn't have a real relationships with fans. Uh, 1216 00:58:01.699 --> 00:58:04.289 you were just this mega star. I go, this is like, you're, 1217 00:58:04.570 --> 00:58:07.190 you're talking to them every week. And like, now people 1218 00:58:07.329 --> 00:58:09.449 really know who you are instead of just a guy 1219 00:58:09.469 --> 00:58:12.289 who yells ball in on TV and looks awesome in 1220 00:58:12.309 --> 00:58:15.539 a sweet jumpsuit. Like, now people really know who you are. 1221 00:58:15.659 --> 00:58:16.940 And if you have a message or if you have 1222 00:58:16.980 --> 00:58:18.860 something to say, or you have a view, like now 1223 00:58:18.900 --> 00:58:21.480 you can talk about it with them. And, uh, I 1224 00:58:21.500 --> 00:58:25.630 think it's such a different relationship. Like, obviously the numbers 1225 00:58:25.650 --> 00:58:27.429 aren't there. You're not, you know, it's not a million 1226 00:58:27.449 --> 00:58:30.789 people watching on television, but it's like real people who 1227 00:58:30.889 --> 00:58:32.670 really know who you are and people that want to 1228 00:58:32.710 --> 00:58:34.449 see you do really well. And I think that's just, 1229 00:58:34.909 --> 00:58:36.869 I think that's what's helped me like the last, you know, 1230 00:58:36.909 --> 00:58:39.750 six and a half, seven years post WWE is people 1231 00:58:39.889 --> 00:58:43.300 really want me to succeed. And it's, and it's nice because, uh, 1232 00:58:43.869 --> 00:58:46.449 you know, like when I got, I got fired and 1233 00:58:46.469 --> 00:58:48.610 then TNA, you know, Russo said, I want nothing to 1234 00:58:48.659 --> 00:58:49.519 do with this guy. 1235 00:58:49.780 --> 00:58:51.880 And then ring of honor, like refired me again. 1236 00:58:51.900 --> 00:58:55.340 And like, I was basically like, I was basically like, Oh, 1237 00:58:55.699 --> 00:58:56.699 maybe I should quit wrestling. 1238 00:58:56.780 --> 00:59:00.780 Nobody, nobody likes me. I'm like, maybe I'm not good. And, 1239 00:59:01.510 --> 00:59:02.230 but like, I had. 1240 00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:05.789 This reassurance of all of these fans who were like, no, we, 1241 00:59:06.820 --> 00:59:10.159 like you. They weren't the ultimate judge of me getting 1242 00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:12.869 a job, one person. It was this whole corral of 1243 00:59:12.909 --> 00:59:14.829 fans who were like, please stay in wrestling. 1244 00:59:15.329 --> 00:59:17.309 We support you. We like you. We like your show. 1245 00:59:17.329 --> 00:59:20.289 We like what you do as a wrestler. They saved 1246 00:59:20.309 --> 00:59:20.889 my life, man. 1247 00:59:21.929 --> 00:59:23.369 No, that is great. 1248 00:59:26.590 --> 00:59:29.590 Searching for more great pro wrestling talk? Then join me, 1249 00:59:29.650 --> 00:59:33.210 Jason Powell, host of the three-weekly Pro Wrestling Boom podcast. 1250 00:59:33.710 --> 00:59:35.889 Each week, you'll hear the latest news and analysis from 1251 00:59:35.929 --> 00:59:38.610 me and my team at ProWrestling.net, along with other Pro 1252 00:59:38.630 --> 00:59:42.070 Wrestling Media members. Plus, the Pro Wrestling Boom podcast features 1253 00:59:42.130 --> 00:59:45.489 long-form interviews with notable names in the pro wrestling industry. 1254 00:59:45.780 --> 00:59:49.570 Subscribe on iTunes, Stitcher, Downcast, and all your favorite secondary apps, 1255 00:59:50.099 --> 00:59:54.800 or visit us directly at PWBoom.com. Once again, that's PWBoom.com. 1256 00:59:59.449 --> 01:00:02.800 Do you think right now the mix of what you're doing, 1257 01:00:02.900 --> 01:00:06.920 Ring of Honor, indie shows, making documentaries, doing your podcast, 1258 01:00:06.940 --> 01:00:08.260 let me know if I've left anything out on a 1259 01:00:08.300 --> 01:00:11.380 professional level. Is this a really happy mix for you? 1260 01:00:11.539 --> 01:00:11.860 What's that?

1261 01:00:13.300 --> 01:00:16.780 I was on the Chris Gethard show. I did a 1262 01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:20.550 comedy show. I do the Edinburgh Fringe Festival every year 1263 01:00:20.630 --> 01:00:23.889 where I go and I do a comedy show with 1264 01:00:23.929 --> 01:00:26.170 Marty DeRosa. We're doing one the night before Thanksgiving in 1265 01:00:26.210 --> 01:00:27.309 Chicago at the North Bar. 1266 01:00:27.349 --> 01:00:27.829 You should come. 1267 01:00:28.250 --> 01:00:30.210 Not you specifically, but anybody at Chicago. 1268 01:00:30.230 --> 01:00:31.309 Uh, yeah. 1269 01:00:31.389 --> 01:00:34.769 Like I've diversified, I've diversified, you know, like I said before, 1270 01:00:34.809 --> 01:00:37.429 like I put all my eggs in the WWE basket. 1271 01:00:37.510 --> 01:00:38.769 And then when they fired me, I was like, Oh, 1272 01:00:38.809 --> 01:00:40.960 I have nothing. And I never wanted to feel that 1273 01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:44.739 way again. So when, so when I was able to 1274 01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:45.780 do it on my own, I was like, I'm going 1275 01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:48.579 to do a bunch of stuff. So if one thing goes, 1276 01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:50.679 I still have all this other stuff. And that happened 1277 01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:52.320 with ring of honor, you know, ring of honor went. 1278 01:00:52.610 --> 01:00:54.710 And I was like, I think years ago I would 1279 01:00:54.730 --> 01:00:56.510 have been so paranoid that like, Oh no, I'm not 1280 01:00:56.530 --> 01:00:58.480 gonna be able to wrestle anymore. But I had, I'd 1281 01:00:58.500 --> 01:00:59.860 set up this thing where I had all these indie 1282 01:00:59.900 --> 01:01:01.800 shows or I had this podcast and people were booking 1283 01:01:01.820 --> 01:01:03.880 me because of the podcast. So it's like, well, that 1284 01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:05.739 went away, but like, I have so much other stuff 1285 01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:08.280 that I can jump into. So I think that's, that, 1286 01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:10.090 that was the most important key for me is to 1287 01:01:10.130 --> 01:01:12.730 find a, is to make all these, all these baskets 1288 01:01:12.789 --> 01:01:14.329 and put all these eggs in different baskets. 1289 01:01:15.309 --> 01:01:15.670 Yeah. 1290 01:01:15.969 --> 01:01:18.750 Are you as happy as you've been or as content 1291 01:01:18.809 --> 01:01:21.969 as you've been with this in terms of like creative 1292 01:01:21.989 --> 01:01:26.099 fulfillment and just balance of schedule? Or do you feel 1293 01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:29.650 a little overworked or, Any negatives to go along with 1294 01:01:29.670 --> 01:01:30.670 the place that you're at right now? 1295 01:01:32.909 --> 01:01:36.159 In the last couple of years, the only negative was 1296 01:01:36.219 --> 01:01:39.420 fulfillment and storyline stuff, if that makes sense, because there 1297 01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:42.940 was a lot of one-off independent shows. And I was 1298 01:01:42.980 --> 01:01:45.000 able to do it with Adam Pearce with the NWA 1299 01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:47.420 title and stuff. But the last couple of years, and 1300 01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:48.679 I think that was one of the big reasons I 1301 01:01:48.719 --> 01:01:50.630 came back to Ring of Honor, was I wanted to 1302 01:01:50.670 --> 01:01:52.570 be able to kind of get back in that story 1303 01:01:52.630 --> 01:01:55.789 mode a little bit. Um, and, uh, and I look 1304 01:01:55.809 --> 01:01:58.789 forward to kind of doing that, that, that now. And 1305 01:01:58.829 --> 01:02:00.889 so that's something that's kind of been recharged by coming 1306 01:02:00.909 --> 01:02:05.789 back with ring of honor. And other than that, yeah, it's, uh, 1307 01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:07.980 like I put a lot on my own shoulders. I 1308 01:02:08.019 --> 01:02:10.699 know that, but I always think to myself, like, this 1309 01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:12.659 is what I've always wanted. This is what I worked 1310 01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:14.500 so hard to get. I don't want to do a 1311 01:02:14.539 --> 01:02:16.809 nine to five. Like if the other option is nine 1312 01:02:16.829 --> 01:02:19.230 to five, I'd rather take on as much stuff as possible. 1313 01:02:19.369 --> 01:02:21.170 And it has to do with wrestling, which is. 1314 01:02:21.170 --> 01:02:23.190 The thing I love. So, even if it's a lot 1315 01:02:23.210 --> 01:02:25.869 of work, it's just, it's just wrestling. So it's great. 1316 01:02:26.889 --> 01:02:29.829 And I think what you're doing now, can you foresee yourself? 1317 01:02:29.869 --> 01:02:32.789 And of course, technology changes, wrestling fans and wrestling industry 1318 01:02:32.809 --> 01:02:35.750 changes in certain ways we can't predict, but is this 1319 01:02:35.769 --> 01:02:38.030 something you could imagine this kind of mix five years 1320 01:02:38.070 --> 01:02:40.489 from now being similar and with some augmentation, maybe in 1321 01:02:40.510 --> 01:02:43.030 terms of ring schedule in 10 years, still doing this 1322 01:02:43.070 --> 01:02:44.130 kind of, this kind of mix. 1323 01:02:45.130 --> 01:02:46.329 Yeah, it's a, it's a great point. 1324 01:02:46.349 --> 01:02:48.829 Like for, that's always been my, and that's kind of 1325 01:02:48.869 --> 01:02:52.070 a theme on my show is like, always scared. Like, Oh, 1326 01:02:52.110 --> 01:02:53.750 like five years is coming up. I won't be able 1327 01:02:53.769 --> 01:02:55.750 to do my, I'm going to be screwed. I can't 1328 01:02:55.769 --> 01:02:58.309 be a wrestler anymore or whatever it might be. And like, 1329 01:02:58.389 --> 01:03:01.949 now I'm at a point where, yeah, I, I, I 1330 01:03:01.969 --> 01:03:05.239 can do, I can easily, first of all, my wrestling style, 1331 01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:07.340 I can easily wrestle in my fifties. I think, I 1332 01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:08.860 don't know if I want to, but I think I do. 1333 01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:11.340 And, um, and also right. 1334 01:03:11.360 -->

01:03:14.320 Like, uh, do the entertainment and podcasting and, and also, 1335 01:03:14.340 --> 01:03:16.119 you know, I, you know, I have, I've part of it, 1336 01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:18.519 like Ryan and I, we started pro wrestling teas.com. 1337 01:03:18.539 --> 01:03:19.500 So that helps too. 1338 01:03:19.539 --> 01:03:21.590 And it's just, I have all these ventures that, like, 1339 01:03:21.730 --> 01:03:25.030 I'm really– the future doesn't worry me, which is something 1340 01:03:25.489 --> 01:03:27.400 that I wasn't able to say five years ago. 1341 01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:31.039 Very cool. Colt, we should do this again. The hour 1342 01:03:31.059 --> 01:03:34.039 flew by. Thank you so much. I really enjoyed our 1343 01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:36.059 conversation and learned a lot about you. 1344 01:03:37.460 --> 01:03:39.539 Yeah, thank you. Can I plug a couple more things? 1345 01:03:39.619 --> 01:03:40.099 Sorry. 1346 01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:42.219 Absolutely. That's the last– yep, absolutely. I was going to 1347 01:03:42.260 --> 01:03:44.159 go into the plug wrap-up zone now. 1348 01:03:45.300 --> 01:03:49.260 So I signed, speaking of like podcasts and the future podcast, 1349 01:03:49.300 --> 01:03:53.960 there's a site called Howell.fm. And it's called like the 1350 01:03:54.019 --> 01:03:56.840 Netflix of podcasting. It's ran by the guys from Earwolf 1351 01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:59.500 and Midroll who are pretty big. And Scripps were pretty 1352 01:03:59.539 --> 01:04:01.840 big in the podcasting world. And I have a show 1353 01:04:02.090 --> 01:04:05.869 on there called Pro Wrestling Fringe. And it's a storytelling show. 1354 01:04:05.909 --> 01:04:07.110 And I do stories. 1355 01:04:07.170 --> 01:04:10.789 I do like 10 minute stories about the weirdest stuff 1356 01:04:10.849 --> 01:04:12.690 in wrestling. And I have a new season coming out 1357 01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:15.090 November 9th in the new season, I do a story 1358 01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:18.409 about bears. I do a story about, uh, the French angel. 1359 01:04:18.489 --> 01:04:20.489 And I do a story about, uh, eighties and nineties, 1360 01:04:20.510 --> 01:04:23.329 all Japan women. And, um, I think you guys. 1361 01:04:23.170 --> 01:04:25.809 Would really like it. Um, how old that FM, you 1362 01:04:25.829 --> 01:04:29.050 get a free, uh, you get a free month with, uh, 1363 01:04:29.110 --> 01:04:31.030 with the code Colton. You could just quit after the month. 1364 01:04:31.070 --> 01:04:33.190 If you just want to hear the stories, I don't care. 1365 01:04:33.530 --> 01:04:37.309 Uh, all my archives, all my archives of art of 1366 01:04:37.349 --> 01:04:40.269 wrestling are on how old that FM also, uh, And, um, 1367 01:04:40.409 --> 01:04:42.869 and that's the other thing I wanted to plug besides, um, 1368 01:04:43.750 --> 01:04:45.719 besides my DVD. And then I, Marty and I are 1369 01:04:45.739 --> 01:04:48.320 doing a show, a comedy show that I, before Thanksgiving 1370 01:04:48.340 --> 01:04:51.059 at the North bar in Chicago. And I travel all 1371 01:04:51.099 --> 01:04:53.119 over the world. I please go to cold combat.com and 1372 01:04:53.139 --> 01:04:55.360 look at my appearances and just see where I'm going 1373 01:04:55.380 --> 01:04:55.760 to be next. 1374 01:04:55.920 --> 01:04:56.179 I do. 1375 01:04:56.199 --> 01:04:58.389 I travel all around and I'd love to wrestle in 1376 01:04:58.429 --> 01:05:02.309 front of anybody. And, um, and hopefully, uh, say hi 1377 01:05:02.429 --> 01:05:05.570 and say that you liked my appearance on, uh. 1378 01:05:05.710 --> 01:05:07.650 The torch, uh, the torch talk. I know it's not 1379 01:05:07.670 --> 01:05:10.030 a torch talk, but, I miss you, Torch. 1380 01:05:10.170 --> 01:05:11.989 Everybody who sees Colt, listen, tell him you enjoyed him 1381 01:05:12.010 --> 01:05:17.340 on the PWTorch livecast and let him know. I was 1382 01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:18.739 going to say, oh, anything for Ring of Honor you 1383 01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:19.340 want to plug coming up? 1384 01:05:22.119 --> 01:05:25.420 Oh, I'm going to be in Baltimore this Saturday. 1385 01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:27.400 We're doing TV tapings. I'm going to be in Texas. 1386 01:05:27.739 --> 01:05:29.400 And then final battle is at. 1387 01:05:29.380 --> 01:05:32.420 The Hammerstein in New York, which is pretty exciting. 1388 01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:35.050 The last time I wrestled there, I think I wrestled 1389 01:05:35.090 --> 01:05:38.889 TJ Perkins in a real fun match. And one of 1390 01:05:38.929 --> 01:05:43.110 my fondest memories of the Hammerstein was making a surprise appearance. 1391 01:05:44.610 --> 01:05:45.130 It was me. 1392 01:05:45.530 --> 01:05:49.300 It was Daniel Bryan versus Jimmy Ray versus Bison Smith, 1393 01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:50.539 rest in peace, one of the best. 1394 01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:52.840 And they had different. 1395 01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:55.840 Surprise partners, and I made my comeback there. 1396 01:05:55.860 --> 01:05:56.900 And it was. 1397 01:05:58.260 --> 01:06:01.440 Probably the greatest reaction I've ever got in wrestling. 1398 01:06:01.500 --> 01:06:02.159 It was so cool. 1399 01:06:02.179 --> 01:06:02.940 Wow. 1400 01:06:04.010 --> 01:06:06.730 Just thinking about it moves me a little bit. So 1401 01:06:06.750 --> 01:06:09.659 good memories there. And I look forward to being back there. 1402 01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:12.420 And how can people follow you on Twitter? I know 1403 01:06:12.460 --> 01:06:14.260 it's hard to find wrestlers on Twitter, but. 1404 01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:18.320 Yeah, I tweet and I Instagram a lot at Cole Cabana. 1405 01:06:18.619 --> 01:06:20.610 Also I vine a lot. And I don't know if 1406 01:06:20.619 --> 01:06:23.869 you heard the news. They're getting rid of vine today. 1407 01:06:24.909 --> 01:06:25.789 No, I didn't know that. 1408 01:06:26.659 --> 01:06:29.449 They're getting rid of it. I am so sad. 1409 01:06:29.849 --> 01:06:32.590

Me and like 40 other people that use Vine, that's it. 1410 01:06:33.389 --> 01:06:36.590 They're getting rid of Vine. It's such a sad day 1411 01:06:36.650 --> 01:06:36.989 for me. 1412 01:06:37.010 --> 01:06:38.349 So are you moving to Tout? 1413 01:06:39.909 --> 01:06:47.170 Yeah, right. I wasn't that dumb. They put $ 10 million 1414 01:06:47.210 --> 01:06:49.690 into that, right? Yeah, they did. 1415 01:06:50.070 --> 01:06:52.880 Yeah, yeah, that's right. I think that's the amount. Yeah, 1416 01:06:52.900 --> 01:06:56.420 that lasted about three weeks, and then they're like, oh, crap. Oh, crap. 1417 01:06:57.250 --> 01:06:58.829 Um, or no. 1418 01:06:59.150 --> 01:07:00.909 Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No rush. 1419 01:07:01.570 --> 01:07:01.929 Yeah. 1420 01:07:01.989 --> 01:07:05.829 What, what, uh, in 2013 or 14, uh, when punk 1421 01:07:05.849 --> 01:07:07.530 did the pipe bomb thing, I had this meeting to 1422 01:07:07.809 --> 01:07:12.380 hopefully come back with John Laurinaitis and, um, and, uh, 1423 01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:14.519 and I showed them and like, I printed out this 1424 01:07:14.539 --> 01:07:15.860 time I was ready, man. You know, I had my, 1425 01:07:16.139 --> 01:07:18.340 my podcast numbers, my sales numbers for my DVDs. I 1426 01:07:18.340 --> 01:07:20.739 had all this impressive stuff and I showed, and I had, 1427 01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:23.630 I printed out my Twitter, like how many followers I 1428 01:07:23.679 --> 01:07:26.230 had compared to, all the lower roster. And I had 1429 01:07:26.250 --> 01:07:28.730 like thousands more than Titus O'Neill and Darren Young and 1430 01:07:28.789 --> 01:07:30.630 all these guys that were lower on the roster. And 1431 01:07:30.650 --> 01:07:32.889 they literally just laughed at me. They were like, we 1432 01:07:32.929 --> 01:07:37.250 don't care about this. Like who cares a month, you know, three, 1433 01:07:37.289 --> 01:07:40.949 four or five months later, you remember like it was 1434 01:07:41.699 --> 01:07:42.530 crazy Twitter. 1435 01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:46.960 Yes. They, they just, they fell in love with it. 1436 01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:48.019 It was all they could talk about. 1437 01:07:48.059 --> 01:07:48.300 Yeah. 1438 01:07:48.659 --> 01:07:51.780 So, but like, I got, I got like three months before, uh, 1439 01:07:52.179 --> 01:07:54.619 they could care less about it. And I was like, Oh, 1440 01:07:54.699 --> 01:07:55.619 I guess that wasn't impressive. 1441 01:07:56.139 --> 01:07:56.340 Yeah. 1442 01:07:57.940 --> 01:08:02.199 Oh man. All right. Coltmerch.com Coltmerch.com. Go check it out. 1443 01:08:02.239 --> 01:08:06.340 The trailer's great. That's available on YouTube. Uh, by all three, you'll, uh, 1444 01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:12.639 you'll see more of Drew than, than you want to. Um, and, uh, 1445 01:08:12.699 --> 01:08:15.429 it's fantastic. Uh, Cole, thanks so much. I hope to 1446 01:08:15.469 --> 01:08:17.750 do this again with you. Really enjoyed the conversation. We,

1447 01:08:18.529 --> 01:08:20.210 you know, I think we hit 7% of the topics 1448 01:08:20.229 --> 01:08:22.090 we could have touched on. So, We've got more we 1449 01:08:22.170 --> 01:08:26.149 can touch on some other time. Thanks, Colt. Really appreciate it. Excellent. 1450 01:08:26.810 --> 01:08:27.090 You bet. 1451 01:08:27.289 --> 01:08:30.189 That's Colt Cabana over at coltmerch.com. Get that DVD. Support 1452 01:08:30.210 --> 01:08:33.140 the little guy. He is the king of entrepreneurs of 1453 01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:36.659 pro wrestling. I mean, just a model when it comes 1454 01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:41.979 to wrestlers being, promoting themselves in creative and innovative and 1455 01:08:42.039 --> 01:08:45.659 forward-thinking ways. And, you know, he talks about others doing 1456 01:08:45.699 --> 01:08:48.149 it and following in his footsteps, but he really was 1457 01:08:48.189 --> 01:08:50.279 a pioneer in a lot of ways. 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Tomorrow, Bruce Mitchell and Travis Bryant take over 1498 01:11:18.649 --> 01:11:22.130 the hosting chairs at 7 Eastern, and then Saturday morning 1499 01:11:22.149 --> 01:11:26.460 wrestling with Jim Vallee and often Pat McNeil at 11.30 Eastern, 8.30 1500 01:11:26.460 --> 01:11:31.779 Pacific time on Saturday morning. Thanks, everybody. Until next time, 1501 01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:32.869 Wade Keller signing off. 1502 01:11:55.140 --> 01:11:57.310 All right, is this Wrestling Superstar Jimmy Rave? 1503 01:11:57.329 --> 01:11:57.529 It is. 1504 01:11:57.590 --> 01:11:57.729 Hello. 1505 01:11:57.750 --> 01:11:57.930 It is? 1506 01:11:57.970 --> 01:11:58.369 Yes, sir. 1507 01:11:58.430 --> 01:11:59.789 Hey, how you doing? I'm doing great. 1508 01:11:59.850 --> 01:12:00.430 How are you? 1509 01:12:00.529 --> 01:12:01.890 All right, welcome to the program. 1510 01:12:01.909 --> 01:12:03.970 Thanks for having me. For those of you calling in. 1511 01:12:03.970 --> 01:12:06.189 646-721-9828 here on Blog Talk Radio. 1512 01:12:23.489 --> 01:12:25.260 Our show brought to you, of course, by the often-imitated, 1513 01:12:25.279 --> 01:12:29.859 never-duplicated Pro Wrestling Torch newsletter and website. Our website is PWTorch.com. 1514 01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:35.119 That's where you can find our free app for iPhone, Android, 1515

01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:39.539 and iPad. And you can find our Facebook fan page 1516 01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:42.180 at Facebook.com slash Pro Wrestling Torch. If you are interested 1517 01:12:42.199 --> 01:12:44.319 in our ideas and would like to subscribe to our newsletter, 1518 01:12:44.359 --> 01:12:48.149 check out our membership page. It is PWTorch.com slash GoVIP. 1519 01:12:48.189 --> 01:12:51.390 And you can follow today's show on Twitter. at PWTorch 1520 01:12:51.409 --> 01:12:54.850 Livecast by using the hashtag FreeJimRoss. How are you doing, Jimmy? 1521 01:12:55.649 --> 01:12:56.579 I'm doing great. How are you? 1522 01:12:58.090 --> 01:12:58.510 Okay. 1523 01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:03.560 Well, let's start with you. You've worked for TNA and 1524 01:13:03.939 --> 01:13:08.119 Ring of Honor and Dragon Gate USA, and you are 1525 01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:11.619 now working with, and I believe helping a great deal 1526 01:13:11.699 --> 01:13:14.470 with Rampage Pro Wrestling. Would you like to tell us 1527 01:13:14.510 --> 01:13:14.850 about that? 1528 01:13:15.850 --> 01:13:19.039 Yeah, Rampage Pro Wrestling is somewhere that I kind of 1529 01:13:19.100 --> 01:13:25.180 found when I left TNA, and I started wrestling there 1530 01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:27.859 in 2009, and it's been around for a little over 1531 01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:31.739 four years, and it's been an amazing ride with them. 1532 01:13:32.819 --> 01:13:36.770 Now I have more of a prominent role with the company, 1533 01:13:36.890 --> 01:13:41.670 and it's just been a great place for young talent 1534 01:13:41.689 --> 01:13:45.050 to come and hone their craft and start reaching for 1535 01:13:45.069 --> 01:13:45.590 the next level. 1536 01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:50.510 All right, and I know that you have a weekly 1537 01:13:50.909 --> 01:13:54.569 TV show out of Macon, Georgia, and that show can 1538 01:13:54.649 --> 01:13:58.369 also be seen on highspots.tv and on your website. 1539 01:13:59.189 --> 01:14:05.579 Yep, rampageprowrestling.net. Every Saturday a new episode will air. And, 1540 01:14:05.619 --> 01:14:08.779 you know, like we're on– we're actually on three different 1541 01:14:08.819 --> 01:14:10.880 stations in the Macon area. We're on Fox 24, Comcast, 1542 01:14:10.899 --> 01:14:17.069 and– There was another channel that we're on. 1543 01:14:18.300 --> 01:14:19.109 My network, perhaps? 1544 01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:25.079 Yeah, my network. So there's plenty of viewing opportunities for 1545 01:14:25.100 --> 01:14:28.020 people in middle Georgia, and then, of course, anybody in 1546 01:14:28.039 --> 01:14:29.880 the world can watch on the website. 1547 01:14:31.579 --> 01:14:31.859 All right. 1548 01:14:31.899 --> 01:14:33.640 We have a lot of wrestling topics to get to 1549 01:14:34.579 --> 01:14:38.510 as we hit Wednesday. I'll start by asking you this, Jimmy. 1550 01:14:38.590 --> 01:14:41.090 Did you catch Raw this past Monday night, and do 1551 01:14:41.130 --> 01:14:42.470 you have an opinion on it if you did? 1552 01:14:43.800 --> 01:14:50.340 I did not catch Raw. Sometimes it escapes me to 1553 01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:55.659 watch wrestling on TV with my new job and everything. No, 1554 01:14:55.779 --> 01:14:58.829 I wasn't able to watch it, but I do love 1555 01:14:58.850 --> 01:15:01.449 the Muppets and anything they're involved with. 1556 01:15:03.050 --> 01:15:07.310 Those are kind of hit or miss. Probably the best 1557 01:15:07.390 --> 01:15:12.430 one was the interaction between Sheamus and Beaker, the assistant of. 1558 01:15:13.119 --> 01:15:13.340 Dr. 1559 01:15:13.420 --> 01:15:16.380 Bunsen Honeydew, yes. 1560 01:15:16.399 --> 01:15:17.479 I can only imagine that. 1561 01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:21.359 All right. Before we get started, do we have anything 1562 01:15:21.399 --> 01:15:22.340 else that you would like to plug? 1563 01:15:24.430 --> 01:15:24.729 For me? 1564 01:15:24.739 --> 01:15:25.470 Yeah. 1565 01:15:25.489 --> 01:15:29.630 I would, you know, Twitter, the Jimmy Rave. Follow me 1566 01:15:29.670 --> 01:15:32.350 on Twitter. You can check me out on Facebook also. 1567 01:15:32.409 --> 01:15:35.710 Just search Jimmy Rave. And you can also like Rampage 1568 01:15:35.770 --> 01:15:38.590 Pro Wrestling, and it's on Facebook also. 1569 01:15:40.300 --> 01:15:44.130 And just last week you were in Macon for the 1570 01:15:44.170 --> 01:15:48.770 TNA impact tapings there, and you worked a dark match. 1571 01:15:48.850 --> 01:15:50.090 How did it go? Did you enjoy yourself? 1572 01:15:51.289 --> 01:15:55.310 Yeah, I always enjoy going back to see my TNA family, 1573 01:15:55.369 --> 01:15:57.149 as I call them. They were a big part of 1574 01:15:57.170 --> 01:16:01.569 my life for a couple years, and, you know, like 1575 01:16:01.609 --> 01:16:04.159 I saw most of those guys almost every– more than 1576 01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:08.329 I did my wife, that's for sure. But so– It 1577 01:16:08.350 --> 01:16:12.029 was great to hang out and see everybody and get 1578 01:16:12.050 --> 01:16:13.430 to meet some of the new guys that are there. 1579 01:16:13.489 --> 01:16:16.449 I felt like our match went really well, and it 1580 01:16:16.590 --> 01:16:20.250 will actually be airing on Rampage Pro Wrestling in the 1581 01:16:20.289 --> 01:16:21.029 next week or so. 1582 01:16:21.050 --> 01:16:24.189 Okay, that will be you and Kyle Matthews, right? 1583 01:16:24.949 --> 01:16:25.649 It will be, yeah. 1584 01:16:27.260 --> 01:16:30.420 Okay, well, let's get started and go to the phones. 1585 01:16:31.119 --> 01:16:34.420 Your questions for Jimmy Rave and general wrestling topics. We 1586 01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:37.199 do all sorts of things here. I should note that 1587 01:16:37.220 --> 01:16:40.739 we've had complaints from some of our listeners that the 1588 01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:43.779 caller sound effect was not manly enough, so hopefully I 1589 01:16:43.819 --> 01:16:47.359 have fixed that for

this week. Let's go to the 1590 01:16:47.359 --> 01:16:49.899 347 area code to kick it off. 347, you are 1591 01:16:50.039 --> 01:16:52.859 on the one-day line. 1592 01:16:52.899 --> 01:16:53.380 Hello. 1593 01:16:53.460 --> 01:16:53.880 Hello. 1594 01:16:54.699 --> 01:17:06.579 Okay, that went well. Let's... Well, we'll put this gentleman 1595 01:17:06.619 --> 01:17:10.560 back on hold. Let's go to the 608 area code. 608, caller, 1596 01:17:10.579 --> 01:17:14.460 you are on the line. 1597 01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:16.819 Sounds like Chris from New York is having a domestic 1598 01:17:16.859 --> 01:17:19.319 dispute back there. Somebody better make a phone call. 1599 01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:19.800 Hey, guys. 1600 01:17:20.460 --> 01:17:20.979 Sorry, Pat. 1601 01:17:21.020 --> 01:17:22.960 It's Matt Fanatic from Wisconsin. 1602 01:17:24.039 --> 01:17:24.479 Hey, Matt. 1603 01:17:25.430 --> 01:17:26.310 Hey. 1604 01:17:26.359 --> 01:17:26.850 Sorry, Mike. 1605 01:17:27.439 --> 01:17:29.890 I was going to just put some questions in the 1606 01:17:29.930 --> 01:17:32.310 listener mail, but the Internet has been down all day 1607 01:17:32.369 --> 01:17:35.050 here in Wisconsin. So I thought I'd call in quick. 1608 01:17:35.539 --> 01:17:39.390 A few questions for Jimmy. One, I was wondering, like, 1609 01:17:39.470 --> 01:17:43.189 they did the guitar hero thing with him and Lance Hoyt. 1610 01:17:43.510 --> 01:17:45.909 Did TNA, like, pay for the gimmicks and that stuff, 1611 01:17:46.069 --> 01:17:47.890 or did you guys have to, like, go out and 1612 01:17:47.909 --> 01:17:49.909 buy your own guitars, and if you smashed it, did 1613 01:17:49.930 --> 01:17:52.350 you have to go buy a new one, or did they, 1614 01:17:52.390 --> 01:17:55.140 you know, pay for that and, like, Samoa Joe's Rambo knife, 1615 01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:55.800 or how does that work? 1616 01:17:58.180 --> 01:18:00.399 When they gave us the gimmick, they went out and 1617 01:18:00.420 --> 01:18:06.340 bought the, you know, the controllers that we used. on impact, 1618 01:18:06.420 --> 01:18:12.850 but I used to leave, um, mine at, at universal because, uh, 1619 01:18:13.310 --> 01:18:16.909 I felt really weird walking around the airport with it. And, um, 1620 01:18:17.529 --> 01:18:20.329 and then, you know, once we started doing house shows, 1621 01:18:20.350 --> 01:18:22.069 I was like, Oh my God, I gotta, I gotta 1622 01:18:22.090 --> 01:18:26.710 get another guitar because I left, you know, my original one. So, uh, 1623 01:18:27.220 --> 01:18:30.140 I would, I got a guitar and, uh, it would 1624 01:18:30.159 --> 01:18:32.319 just stick out of my bag, you know, and I 1625 01:18:32.359 --> 01:18:34.760 would just get the weirdest comments, like going through the 1626 01:18:34.779 --> 01:18:38.359 airport and, So eventually I bought one for the Wii, 1627 01:18:38.500 --> 01:18:41.189 which would fold up and I could stick it in 1628 01:18:41.229 --> 01:18:45.649 my bag. And it was amazing because I probably left, 1629 01:18:48.159 --> 01:18:53.720 maybe five guitars on the airplane just in the overhead 1630 01:18:54.180 --> 01:18:58.880 baggage things I would get off the airplane and AJ 1631 01:18:59.090 --> 01:19:00.609 or Lance would come up with the guitar and I'm 1632 01:19:00.630 --> 01:19:05.930 like you left this so they had bought the original 1633 01:19:05.949 --> 01:19:12.390 guitars Okay, and, oh, sorry, Pat. 1634 01:19:13.409 --> 01:19:14.350 No, no, you got two more. 1635 01:19:15.300 --> 01:19:19.159 Okay, I was wondering if when you guys were with 1636 01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:21.800 Christy Hemme and she was the infection, did she actually 1637 01:19:21.859 --> 01:19:24.140 ever tell you guys how much she was making in TNA? 1638 01:19:24.159 --> 01:19:26.340 Because it's rumored that she was making six figures. Did 1639 01:19:26.359 --> 01:19:29.100 you guys ever discuss that, or did that ever come up? 1640 01:19:30.180 --> 01:19:33.560 Oh, no. No, I can only imagine what she was making. No, 1641 01:19:34.520 --> 01:19:37.159 it never came up, but, you know, like more power 1642 01:19:37.199 --> 01:19:38.909 to her if she got that much money. That was great. 1643 01:19:40.060 --> 01:19:40.260 Right. 1644 01:19:40.939 --> 01:19:41.420 Okay. 1645 01:19:41.520 --> 01:19:42.319 Okay. 1646 01:19:43.439 --> 01:19:44.079 I'll go ahead. 1647 01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:45.159 Uh, yeah. 1648 01:19:45.220 --> 01:19:45.760 Last thing. 1649 01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:48.560 Um, every time I saw the mesh t-shirt, I always 1650 01:19:48.590 --> 01:19:51.970 thought of a Christian from, uh, his WWF run. I 1651 01:19:51.989 --> 01:19:54.350 didn't know if that was an inspiration and did a 1652 01:19:54.390 --> 01:19:56.149 Lance Hoyt get a lot of crap for his tramp 1653 01:19:56.170 --> 01:19:58.810 stamp tattoo or was, did nobody. 1654 01:19:58.609 --> 01:20:00.029 Like him a hard time or was it a lot 1655 01:20:00.050 --> 01:20:00.970 of joking with the guys? 1656 01:20:02.350 --> 01:20:07.180 Uh, the tattoo caused, uh, unlimited amount of jokes. Um, 1657 01:20:08.350 --> 01:20:10.989 You know, so much to where they were trying to 1658 01:20:11.010 --> 01:20:15.189 convince me to get one also, and I wasn't having it. 1659 01:20:15.899 --> 01:20:22.760 But actually the Mets shirt was Christian's shirt, and he 1660 01:20:22.819 --> 01:20:25.359 encouraged me to wear it. So I got his blessing 1661 01:20:25.399 --> 01:20:28.159 to wear it, and I thought it was awesome. 1662 01:20:29.699 --> 01:20:30.079 That's great. 1663 01:20:30.100 --> 01:20:31.760 All right, Matt. 1664 01:20:31.779 --> 01:20:33.789 All right, thanks, Pat. 1665 01:20:35.170 --> 01:20:38.659 All right, take care. For the new callers, we generally 1666 01:20:38.699 --> 01:20:42.810 have a rule on the Wednesday livecast. You can get 1667 01:20:43.210 --> 01:20:45.869 three questions. You can get two questions and a comment 1668 01:20:45.909 --> 01:20:49.210 or just

anything that adds up to three. We don't 1669 01:20:49.229 --> 01:20:52.850 want the same caller asking questions for the entire hour. 1670 01:20:52.890 --> 01:20:56.260 That's my job. All right, let's go to the 561 1671 01:20:56.260 --> 01:21:00.380 area code. 561, you are on the Wednesday livecast. 1672 01:21:04.939 --> 01:21:06.770 Yes, this is Alex from West Palm Beach, Florida. 1673 01:21:08.210 --> 01:21:09.149 Hey, Alex, how you doing? 1674 01:21:09.890 --> 01:21:10.750 Pretty good, pretty good. 1675 01:21:11.970 --> 01:21:13.050 Real quick question. 1676 01:21:13.609 --> 01:21:18.109 WrestleMania tickets tomorrow are pre-sale at 10 o'clock in the morning. 1677 01:21:18.130 --> 01:21:19.689 They should be going out at Ticketmaster. 1678 01:21:20.409 --> 01:21:23.479 Have you seen any codes that are available out there? 1679 01:21:25.380 --> 01:21:26.880 No, but if you hold on for a second, I 1680 01:21:26.899 --> 01:21:27.939 can look for you, okay? 1681 01:21:28.779 --> 01:21:29.539 Okay, no problem. 1682 01:21:30.579 --> 01:21:33.279 All right, there we go. All right. Always glad to 1683 01:21:33.319 --> 01:21:35.840 be of service. That sounds like a job for my 1684 01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:39.420 good friend Google. We'll get on with that and get 1685 01:21:39.479 --> 01:21:42.489 back to Alex later in the program. Well, let's be 1686 01:21:42.529 --> 01:21:47.350 adventurous and let's go to the 347 area code. 347, 1687 01:21:47.350 --> 01:21:57.260 you are on the Wednesday live cast with Jimmy Ray. Hello? Hello, 1688 01:21:57.500 --> 01:21:59.439 this is Chris from New York. We're giving up on you. 1689 01:22:00.619 --> 01:22:01.119 All right, well. 1690 01:22:03.079 --> 01:22:08.199 We don't know. 1691 01:22:08.239 --> 01:22:10.229 There were some interesting noises when we tried to go 1692 01:22:10.250 --> 01:22:14.130 to him the first time. We do have an email 1693 01:22:14.170 --> 01:22:17.989 question for you. It is from our friend Lawrence from Jerusalem. 1694 01:22:18.010 --> 01:22:21.939 He asked, how did the whole being culted with toilet 1695 01:22:21.960 --> 01:22:23.659 paper thing start in Ring of Honor, and how did 1696 01:22:23.680 --> 01:22:24.329 you feel about it? 1697 01:22:25.939 --> 01:22:28.359 Really, what happened was we were wrestling in New York City, 1698 01:22:29.640 --> 01:22:33.300 and one individual just threw a roll of toilet paper 1699 01:22:33.359 --> 01:22:37.180 and I reacted to it. And, um, and then, uh, 1700 01:22:37.479 --> 01:22:40.359 I really feel like, you know, the crowd is there 1701 01:22:40.479 --> 01:22:44.699 to interact with the professional wrestlers. So, um, they gave 1702 01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:47.359 them something to feed off of. And, uh, you know, 1703 01:22:47.390 --> 01:22:49.689 like every time I would react, we would just get 1704 01:22:49.729 --> 01:22:52.789 more and more and more. And, you know, I, I 1705 01:22:52.869 --> 01:22:55.489 enjoyed the heck out of it. I thought it

was awesome. Like, 1706 01:22:55.590 --> 01:22:57.829 it was just a great visual thing. It was something 1707 01:22:57.869 --> 01:23:01.350 for people to, you know, wait to get to do. And, 1708 01:23:02.310 --> 01:23:05.399 People enjoy waiting for my entrance to where they can 1709 01:23:05.460 --> 01:23:07.800 throw toilet paper at me. I thought it was an 1710 01:23:07.819 --> 01:23:13.210 amazing thing. It was something that hadn't been done before 1711 01:23:13.250 --> 01:23:16.770 in wrestling. It was very organic. It just happened, and 1712 01:23:16.810 --> 01:23:17.699 we ran with it. 1713 01:23:19.399 --> 01:23:20.960 Okay, that's good. 1714 01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:31.439 Are you a fan of AEW looking to sit back, relax, 1715 01:23:31.579 --> 01:23:34.500 and listen to some like-minded podcasters who share your passion? 1716 01:23:35.119 --> 01:23:36.939 Do you want to be talked off the ledge after 1717 01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:39.159 a segment that has you wondering what the heck are 1718 01:23:39.180 --> 01:23:39.699 they thinking? 1719 01:23:40.340 --> 01:23:42.760 Do you want to join a discussion on what AEW 1720 01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:45.279 is doing right and what they could do to improve? 1721 01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:46.739 Then join me, Joel. 1722 01:23:47.079 --> 01:23:49.800 And me, Greg, for the All Elite Conversation Club every 1723 01:23:49.859 --> 01:23:54.260 Friday on the PWTorch Livecast feed. Search PWTorch in your 1724 01:23:54.279 --> 01:23:58.130 podcast app and subscribe to PWTorch Dailycast or stream our 1725 01:23:58.149 --> 01:24:02.470 shows directly from PWTorch.com. Find full details on the PWTorch 1726 01:24:02.510 --> 01:24:06.170 Dailycast lineup at PWTorchDailycast.com. 1727 01:24:14.840 --> 01:24:17.020 Let me go back to our friend Alex. 1728 01:24:18.220 --> 01:24:18.680 Alex, you there? 1729 01:24:18.699 --> 01:24:20.180 Yeah, I'm right here. 1730 01:24:21.500 --> 01:24:25.859 Okay. Got two different passwords from two different websites. One 1731 01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:29.300 is Epic Knights is one word, and the second one 1732 01:24:29.359 --> 01:24:30.020 is Showcase. 1733 01:24:32.819 --> 01:24:34.399 Got it? Awesome. Awesome. 1734 01:24:34.420 --> 01:24:36.159 Well, I appreciate you very much. Thank you so much. 1735 01:24:36.180 --> 01:24:37.819 Hey, no problem. 1736 01:24:38.649 --> 01:24:40.529 The password is Showcase. 1737 01:24:41.189 --> 01:24:41.649 All right. 1738 01:24:41.689 --> 01:24:44.949 We got that taken care of. We are taking your calls, 646-721-9828, 1739 01:24:44.949 --> 01:24:51.399 discussing all sorts of topics with Jimmy Rave. who has 1740 01:24:51.420 --> 01:24:55.300 wrestled literally all over the world. Actually, I don't think 1741 01:24:55.340 --> 01:24:57.810 he's hit Antarctica yet, but we'll ask him about that 1742 01:24:57.829 --> 01:25:01.109 in a minute. The topic Monday is Raw with the Muppets. 1743 01:25:01.170 --> 01:25:04.430 Anybody want to get your last shot at that? Impact 1744 01:25:04.470 --> 01:25:07.390 is on tomorrow night. The tapings from Macon, Georgia would 1745 01:25:07.409 --> 01:25:11.189 be a much-anticipated James Storm versus Robert Reard match. Ring 1746 01:25:11.210 --> 01:25:13.789 of Honor continues for another week. I enjoyed the show. 1747 01:25:15.029 --> 01:25:17.659 There are some production issues, and they really need somebody 1748 01:25:17.720 --> 01:25:21.479 other than Kevin Kelly on camera, but... for the entire show, but, uh, 1749 01:25:21.539 --> 01:25:25.119 you know, I, I thought it went well. And, uh, 1750 01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:28.050 most important of all, David Arquette gone from Dancing with 1751 01:25:28.060 --> 01:25:30.289 the Stars. I know, I know it's a tragedy, but, uh, 1752 01:25:30.970 --> 01:25:31.689 but there you have it. 1753 01:25:31.829 --> 01:25:32.229 All right. 1754 01:25:32.369 --> 01:25:35.449 Let's see what we have from the 9-1-7 area code. 9-1-7, 1755 01:25:35.510 --> 01:25:39.350 you are on the Wednesday live chat. 1756 01:25:40.170 --> 01:25:42.710 Uh, hello, this is Chris from New York. I have 1757 01:25:42.729 --> 01:25:46.130 a Bret Hart question. I have a Bret Hart question, 1758 01:25:46.170 --> 01:25:48.949 my first question. Do you think that Bret Hart's name 1759 01:25:49.029 --> 01:25:52.130 gripes with, uh, The company back in 97 was that 1760 01:25:52.170 --> 01:25:55.390 McMahon basically forced him out of the company, and he 1761 01:25:55.470 --> 01:25:58.869 kept Shawn Michaels over him. And my second question is, 1762 01:25:59.289 --> 01:26:01.409 do you think Bret Hart returned to the company has 1763 01:26:03.010 --> 01:26:06.670 been beneficial for Vince McMahon in terms of mending fences 1764 01:26:06.710 --> 01:26:08.689 with him, or do you think that he got the 1765 01:26:08.729 --> 01:26:11.210 last laugh on him because he went back on his 1766 01:26:11.569 --> 01:26:12.630 word not to come back? 1767 01:26:15.069 --> 01:26:18.850 Well, that's a good question. Jimmy, you want to tackle that, 1768 01:26:18.880 --> 01:26:19.539 or should I take it? 1769 01:26:21.869 --> 01:26:25.689 I think it was good business for Bret to come back, 1770 01:26:25.750 --> 01:26:29.949 both for Bret Hart because he becomes relevant again, both 1771 01:26:29.989 --> 01:26:34.460 for WWE so they can try to draw ratings and 1772 01:26:34.560 --> 01:26:39.840 also sell Bret Hart DVDs and get his likeness all 1773 01:26:39.920 --> 01:26:43.720 over the place. I think it was a win-win for 1774 01:26:43.760 --> 01:26:44.920 everybody in that situation. 1775 01:26:47.310 --> 01:26:49.550 I don't think at this point– I know that there 1776 01:26:49.590 --> 01:26:52.029 were concerns by some people that if Bret Hart ever 1777 01:26:52.050 --> 01:26:55.069 goes back to WWE, that means Vince McMahon wins. I 1778 01:26:55.340 --> 01:27:00.100 think Vince McMahon won the entire wrestling business before that happened, 1779 01:27:00.159 --> 01:27:05.199

so any chance for Bret to come back and to 1780 01:27:05.270 --> 01:27:07.869 do something fun at WrestleMania– and to get a nice 1781 01:27:07.930 --> 01:27:12.239 payday from it probably didn't hurt him that much. I 1782 01:27:12.279 --> 01:27:16.500 think there's been enough said about the Montreal screwjob to 1783 01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:19.500 last us for a long, long time. Anything else, Chris? 1784 01:27:20.539 --> 01:27:22.890 Oh, my first question about Shawn Michaels. Do you think 1785 01:27:22.899 --> 01:27:25.970 that Bret Hart's main objection back in 1997 was that 1786 01:27:26.229 --> 01:27:29.890 McMahon basically picked Shawn Michaels over him, and he basically 1787 01:27:29.909 --> 01:27:31.930 told Bret, I would like you to leave the company? 1788 01:27:31.949 --> 01:27:34.050 Do you think that's why he was so dead set 1789 01:27:34.090 --> 01:27:35.300 against dropping the belt to him? 1790 01:27:37.930 --> 01:27:40.430 Well, Bret Hart has always said that the reason he 1791 01:27:40.470 --> 01:27:42.489 didn't want to drop the belt to Shawn Michaels is, 1792 01:27:42.510 --> 01:27:47.750 you know, he put over Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania 12, 1793 01:27:47.750 --> 01:27:52.060 and Shawn never returned the favor. So, I mean, he 1794 01:27:52.100 --> 01:27:54.979 said at one point that he would put over anybody 1795 01:27:55.020 --> 01:27:55.819 other than Shawn Michaels. 1796 01:27:58.840 --> 01:27:59.100 Okay. 1797 01:28:00.439 --> 01:28:02.970 So my question is, my last question is, how come 1798 01:28:03.029 --> 01:28:06.529 Vince McMahon was so... determined that he dropped the belt 1799 01:28:06.569 --> 01:28:08.350 to Shawn Michaels. Why didn't he just have him drop 1800 01:28:08.399 --> 01:28:11.220 the belt to Ken Shamrock, and then the whole screwjob 1801 01:28:11.239 --> 01:28:11.960 would have been avoided? 1802 01:28:13.640 --> 01:28:17.060 Well, I think that the reason that didn't happen is 1803 01:28:17.760 --> 01:28:20.079 because they had pushed the Bret Hart versus Shawn Michaels 1804 01:28:20.100 --> 01:28:23.699 match for Survivor Series. So if they switched the match, 1805 01:28:24.619 --> 01:28:26.060 it would have tipped some people off. I have no 1806 01:28:26.119 --> 01:28:28.079 idea why they didn't just have Bret drop it to 1807 01:28:28.359 --> 01:28:30.520 Ken Shamrock at a house show. I think it was 1808 01:28:30.550 --> 01:28:33.270 because they wanted the bigger buy rate for Survivor Series 1809 01:28:33.310 --> 01:28:33.590 that year. 1810 01:28:35.310 --> 01:28:36.180 Okay, thank you very much. 1811 01:28:37.350 --> 01:28:37.989 Good to hear it. 1812 01:28:38.050 --> 01:28:38.430 Thank you. 1813 01:28:39.909 --> 01:28:40.640 And bye now. 1814 01:28:40.810 --> 01:28:45.539 All right, 646-721-9828. We will be with you until 6.30 1815 01:28:45.539 --> 01:28:49.100 this evening. Travis Bryant will be by with a preview 1816 01:28:49.119 --> 01:28:52.500 of our next show, the East Coast Cast. That preview 1817 01:28:52.539 --> 01:28:56.619 will come up around 6.15. And we're talking with Jimmy Rose. 1818 01:28:56.680 --> 01:28:57.100 He is. 1819 01:28:58.079 --> 01:29:00.760 formerly of TNA and Ring of Honor and Dragon Gate 1820 01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:03.020 and might end up back in one or more of 1821 01:29:03.060 --> 01:29:07.229 those places for all we know. Okay, Jimmy, let me 1822 01:29:07.279 --> 01:29:10.270 ask you this. How would you compare the work environment 1823 01:29:10.350 --> 01:29:12.750 from TNA to the work environment at Ring of Honor? 1824 01:29:14.390 --> 01:29:18.810 It was really night and day. You know, like Ring 1825 01:29:18.829 --> 01:29:22.909 of Honor is, you know, you're having an easy night 1826 01:29:22.949 --> 01:29:27.359 if you're just doing ten minutes, you know, and TNA 1827 01:29:27.399 --> 01:29:29.329 you know like that was a long night for somebody 1828 01:29:29.369 --> 01:29:33.069 you know what I mean and you know so like 1829 01:29:33.750 --> 01:29:36.409 it was really a culture shock for me from going 1830 01:29:36.449 --> 01:29:40.399 you know wrestling 15, 20, 30 minutes a night to 1831 01:29:40.520 --> 01:29:44.300 you know four or five minute tag matches so in 1832 01:29:44.340 --> 01:29:46.619 that sense it was kind of different you know as 1833 01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:49.640 far as the locker room goes you know a lot 1834 01:29:49.659 --> 01:29:52.460 of my buddies that were at TNA had came from 1835 01:29:52.479 --> 01:29:54.109 Ring of Honor you know like whether it was Alex 1836 01:29:54.130 --> 01:29:59.270 Shelley or Jay Lethal or Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Chris Daniels, 1837 01:29:59.279 --> 01:30:03.149 they all worked there. I was fortunate enough to come 1838 01:30:03.210 --> 01:30:06.630 in with a whole bunch of guys that I already 1839 01:30:06.689 --> 01:30:10.149 had an established relationship with. It made going to work 1840 01:30:10.189 --> 01:30:14.630 a little bit easier. Plus, the days at a TNA 1841 01:30:14.649 --> 01:30:19.210 taping are much longer. You're there from 1 o'clock doing 1842 01:30:19.369 --> 01:30:24.609 production and taking pictures and signing this and calling in 1843 01:30:24.649 --> 01:30:28.949 this interview and appearances and all that stuff. Ring of Honor, 1844 01:30:29.850 --> 01:30:31.750 their call times are a little bit later and you 1845 01:30:31.770 --> 01:30:40.420 can go sleep in, grab a workout. It's two different 1846 01:30:41.020 --> 01:30:46.079 styles and it's two different work schedules, but something to 1847 01:30:46.119 --> 01:30:47.180 respect from. 1848 01:30:47.079 --> 01:30:47.600 Both of them. 1849 01:30:50.100 --> 01:30:52.920 Earlier today there was an interview out from Chris Masters 1850 01:30:53.000 --> 01:30:56.779 about his problem with drug addiction and I believe when 1851 01:30:56.819 --> 01:31:01.560 he was in WWE. You gave an interview a month 1852 01:31:01.600 --> 01:31:04.649 or so ago about you had a problem with

painkillers 1853 01:31:04.689 --> 01:31:08.529 a couple of years ago. Do you think that the 1854 01:31:08.569 --> 01:31:13.970 situation with drug abuse, and more specifically painkiller abuse, is 1855 01:31:14.090 --> 01:31:17.989 worse in professional wrestling than it is in other pro sports? 1856 01:31:19.810 --> 01:31:22.630 You know, here's my views on this. You know, like, 1857 01:31:22.710 --> 01:31:25.130 my job right now, I'm a director of a peer 1858 01:31:25.149 --> 01:31:27.949 support and wellness center, so, like, I deal with addiction 1859 01:31:28.029 --> 01:31:31.380 and mental health issues all day long. So, you know, like, 1860 01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:33.760 just yesterday I was speaking at a methadone clinic with 1861 01:31:33.779 --> 01:31:40.659 a whole bunch of opiate addicts. So I know ProRestylane 1862 01:31:40.779 --> 01:31:45.319 introduces us to injuries, and injuries introduce us to the 1863 01:31:45.420 --> 01:31:48.149 opiates and the painkillers. But that's not what makes us 1864 01:31:48.270 --> 01:31:55.550 abuse them. People can get up and take stuff as 1865 01:31:55.609 --> 01:31:59.770 prescribed and go about with their lives and never get 1866 01:31:59.810 --> 01:32:05.659 addicted to it. It's usually those of us that have 1867 01:32:05.699 --> 01:32:08.560 some kind of traumas in our life or that are 1868 01:32:08.600 --> 01:32:12.859 running from something or not dealing with life on life's terms. 1869 01:32:13.180 --> 01:32:16.000 It's a lot easier to escape that way. and it, 1870 01:32:16.149 --> 01:32:18.329 you know, like it was a coping mechanism, you know, 1871 01:32:18.369 --> 01:32:20.329 not a very healthy one at all, but it was 1872 01:32:20.369 --> 01:32:23.649 a coping mechanism. And for me, it was, you know, 1873 01:32:23.670 --> 01:32:25.449 dealing with a whole bunch of traumas in my life, 1874 01:32:25.510 --> 01:32:28.350 you know, like I had molestation issues when I was 1875 01:32:28.369 --> 01:32:31.970 a younger kid. My mother died when I was 17. 1876 01:32:31.949 --> 01:32:37.420 She was 34. She was an alcoholic. So, you know, 1877 01:32:37.460 --> 01:32:40.960 just a lot of trauma in my life that I 1878 01:32:41.000 --> 01:32:45.149 hadn't dealt with just manifested itself in addiction. And And 1879 01:32:45.170 --> 01:32:47.689 I find that that happens with, you know, a lot of, 1880 01:32:48.550 --> 01:32:51.130 you know, addicts I talk to. You know, I talked to, 1881 01:32:51.149 --> 01:32:54.489 you know, a recovering addict the other night at a 1882 01:32:54.489 --> 01:32:57.560 wrestling show, and, you know, he expressed the same thing. 1883 01:32:57.579 --> 01:33:01.760 It was insecurities and, you know, like not wanting to 1884 01:33:01.819 --> 01:33:03.920 deal with some of the travel and some of the 1885 01:33:03.939 --> 01:33:05.600 things that were going on in his life, and this 1886 01:33:05.640 --> 01:33:09.060 was an easier way for him to escape. And, you know, 1887 01:33:09.100 --> 01:33:11.210 luckily he, you know, found a way out, and he's 1888 01:33:11.229 --> 01:33:15.289 doing great. And it's just amazing to... you know, to 1889 01:33:15.329 --> 01:33:17.569 watch the recovery process. I just wish a lot more 1890 01:33:17.609 --> 01:33:18.550 people would embrace it. 1891 01:33:20.369 --> 01:33:22.640 Do you find that since you started talking about this 1892 01:33:22.680 --> 01:33:25.279 that other wrestlers are more willing to come up to 1893 01:33:25.300 --> 01:33:26.460 you and talk about these issues? 1894 01:33:27.439 --> 01:33:30.109 Yeah, man, that's been the most amazing part about it, too. 1895 01:33:30.119 --> 01:33:32.180 It gives me chills, like, thinking about, like, how many 1896 01:33:32.199 --> 01:33:35.640 guys just, you know, like, come up to me and, like, look, dude, 1897 01:33:35.659 --> 01:33:38.770 I've got a problem, you know? Like, what did you do? Like, what, 1898 01:33:38.810 --> 01:33:40.869 you know, like, you know, like, I want help. And 1899 01:33:41.270 --> 01:33:42.210 it's really.... 1900 01:33:43.630 --> 01:33:44.130 It's really. 1901 01:33:45.399 --> 01:33:47.739 been freeing for me to be able to discuss these 1902 01:33:47.779 --> 01:33:51.840 things because, you know, it's a weight lifted off of 1903 01:33:51.899 --> 01:33:54.670 my shoulders. And I tell them that. I'm like, look, 1904 01:33:54.710 --> 01:33:56.430 you know, like the more you talk about it, the 1905 01:33:56.470 --> 01:33:59.649 more freeing it becomes and the less that you have 1906 01:33:59.689 --> 01:34:01.829 to hide. And, you know, like the addiction thing is 1907 01:34:01.869 --> 01:34:05.340 a lifestyle. You know, you're hustling and lying and cheating 1908 01:34:05.399 --> 01:34:08.949 and stealing to try to feed this addiction and And that's, 1909 01:34:09.229 --> 01:34:11.850 you know, like for most of us, like myself, you know, 1910 01:34:11.869 --> 01:34:14.090 that's out of character. Like that's not something I usually 1911 01:34:14.130 --> 01:34:18.859 would do if I wasn't using. So, you know, so 1912 01:34:19.420 --> 01:34:21.119 it's a lot to do with that. And, you know, 1913 01:34:21.180 --> 01:34:23.359 it's one of the other things that I tell most 1914 01:34:23.520 --> 01:34:25.420 of the addicts that I talk to is, you know, 1915 01:34:25.439 --> 01:34:27.319 you really got to learn how to forgive yourself for 1916 01:34:27.399 --> 01:34:29.689 some of the stuff you've done. And that's part of 1917 01:34:29.699 --> 01:34:30.689 the healing process, too. 1918 01:34:33.739 --> 01:34:34.319 Okay. 1919 01:34:34.340 --> 01:34:39.319 We are talking to Jimmy Rave, 646-721-9828. We still have 1920 01:34:39.380 --> 01:34:42.699 a few lines open for you. And right now we're 1921 01:34:42.720 --> 01:34:46.569 going to go to the 931 area code. 931, hello, 1922 01:34:46.590 --> 01:34:48.270 you're on the Wednesday live cast. 1923 01:34:48.649 --> 01:34:52.989 Hey, Pat, it's Ian from

Tennessee. 1924 01:34:54.029 --> 01:34:54.930 Hey, how you doing, Ian? 1925 01:34:55.750 --> 01:34:56.189 Good. 1926 01:34:56.390 --> 01:35:01.840 I just joined in the show and, you know, listening 1927 01:35:01.880 --> 01:35:04.649 to Jimmy talk about everything that he's battled when he 1928 01:35:04.689 --> 01:35:08.930 was younger and, you know, the different problems, it really 1929 01:35:09.069 --> 01:35:13.050 helps to hear somebody that's, you know, been on TV. 1930 01:35:13.569 --> 01:35:17.260 It helps to humanize them a little bit more than, say, 1931 01:35:18.199 --> 01:35:21.199 somebody who acts like, you know, they've had everything come 1932 01:35:21.220 --> 01:35:26.359 to them. But my question is something that Sean Waltman said, 1933 01:35:27.149 --> 01:35:30.510 a few days ago with Wade was about how wrestlers 1934 01:35:30.550 --> 01:35:32.789 bring a lot of their baggage with them into the 1935 01:35:32.829 --> 01:35:35.909 wrestling business, and it's not necessarily the wrestling business that 1936 01:35:36.170 --> 01:35:37.029 does it to them. 1937 01:35:37.050 --> 01:35:38.989 I just wanted to get your. 1938 01:35:38.949 --> 01:35:39.649 Thoughts on that. 1939 01:35:41.069 --> 01:35:45.680 Yeah, that's completely what it is. You know, like, you know, like, 1940 01:35:46.560 --> 01:35:51.340 you know, we're in a business where everything is, you know, microscopic. 1941 01:35:51.619 --> 01:35:55.140 You know, like, you know, when I was wrestling for 1942 01:35:55.159 --> 01:35:57.159 Ring of Honor in, like, there's a whole bunch of 1943 01:35:57.220 --> 01:35:59.680 smart marks and, um, you know, and by no means 1944 01:35:59.720 --> 01:36:02.300 am I making any excuses, but like, you know, like 1945 01:36:02.460 --> 01:36:05.939 my insecurities were, you know, out there in front of 1946 01:36:05.960 --> 01:36:10.890 the whole world for them to, um, criticize and, and, 1947 01:36:11.310 --> 01:36:14.670 and poke fun at, and, you know, like, um, you know, 1948 01:36:15.010 --> 01:36:17.109 tell me that I'm a horrible wrestler and, you know, 1949 01:36:17.149 --> 01:36:19.170 that I couldn't talk on the microphone and all these things, 1950 01:36:19.210 --> 01:36:21.329 you know, and like, these are the things that, you know, 1951 01:36:21.350 --> 01:36:26.149 like privately I'm obsessing over. And, um, And so, like, 1952 01:36:26.220 --> 01:36:29.340 you know, like, but that's, you know, just like Sean said, 1953 01:36:29.680 --> 01:36:33.260 that's baggage that I had before wrestling, you know, that 1954 01:36:33.300 --> 01:36:37.199 I just wasn't dealing with. And, you know, it took me, 1955 01:36:37.720 --> 01:36:41.760 you know, going through addiction and going to rehab and 1956 01:36:41.840 --> 01:36:45.579 all this stuff in order to learn how to cope 1957 01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:48.060 with those things the right way instead of numbing them 1958 01:36:48.119 --> 01:36:53.369 with a substance, you know. So, like, I wholeheartedly believe that, 1959 01:36:53.609 --> 01:36:56.510 you know, people walk into this business, You know, people 1960 01:36:56.529 --> 01:36:59.210 just walk around life with, you know, carrying their baggage. And, 1961 01:36:59.310 --> 01:37:02.770 you know, until they start, you know, unpacking those bags, 1962 01:37:02.810 --> 01:37:04.760 you know, like it's always going to be there. And it's, 1963 01:37:05.760 --> 01:37:07.420 you know, like I said, you know, talking about it 1964 01:37:07.539 --> 01:37:10.960 and actually, you know, confronting it is a, you know, 1965 01:37:11.039 --> 01:37:13.079 a weight lifted off your shoulders because now you're not 1966 01:37:13.100 --> 01:37:14.420 carrying as much in your bag. 1967 01:37:14.439 --> 01:37:16.760 Okay. 1968 01:37:18.800 --> 01:37:20.239 Yeah. 1969 01:37:20.479 --> 01:37:21.119 Oh, sorry. 1970 01:37:22.430 --> 01:37:26.699 Yeah, I think that maybe... that lesson about the wrestling 1971 01:37:26.760 --> 01:37:31.770 business would be more suitable to carry around, um, and 1972 01:37:31.829 --> 01:37:35.649 promote than say a bully campaign because it, you know, 1973 01:37:35.689 --> 01:37:41.069 really brings to light people's actual problems. And, uh, you know, 1974 01:37:41.090 --> 01:37:45.289 wrestling may not be the most conducive to, uh, those 1975 01:37:45.329 --> 01:37:48.310 types of issues, but you know, you, you do carry 1976 01:37:48.350 --> 01:37:52.890 around them no matter what you do. But, um, it's 1977 01:37:52.909 --> 01:37:55.949 just really great to hear somebody talk so openly about 1978 01:37:55.989 --> 01:37:59.140 those things. And, uh, I can't wait to see you again, Russell. 1979 01:37:59.420 --> 01:38:01.619 So appreciate it guys. All right. 1980 01:38:01.640 --> 01:38:02.119 Thank you, man. 1981 01:38:03.520 --> 01:38:03.720 All right. 1982 01:38:03.739 --> 01:38:08.140 Thanks a lot, Ian. That number again, six, four, six, seven, two, one, nine, eight, two, eight. 1983 01:38:08.619 --> 01:38:11.500 We are taking your calls here for about the next 1984 01:38:11.640 --> 01:38:16.319 half hour. Um, let's see. Well, let's start with this. Jenny, you're, uh, 1985 01:38:16.729 --> 01:38:19.270 you're involved with a rampage pro wrestling. What do you 1986 01:38:19.289 --> 01:38:21.829 think about the idea of wrestling being involved in, uh, 1987 01:38:22.569 --> 01:38:24.310 in the anti-bullying movement? 1988 01:38:26.420 --> 01:38:30.939 We've embraced that and done a few shows. around that. 1989 01:38:33.699 --> 01:38:37.960 I agree with wrestling being a catalyst for any cause, 1990 01:38:38.279 --> 01:38:46.829 whether it's benefit shows or anti-bullying or anti-drug abuse, because 1991 01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:51.319 there are people there that are impressioned by what we 1992 01:38:51.359 --> 01:38:54.899 do and, you know, like how we live. And, um, if, 1993 01:38:54.920 --> 01:38:57.229 you know, that message can get across to people, then 1994

01:38:57.270 --> 01:38:58.810 so be it, you know, as long as it's done 1995 01:38:58.869 --> 01:39:02.550 in a, in a corrective, you know, type of sense 1996 01:39:03.369 --> 01:39:06.029 where nobody's abusing it. You know what I mean? Like 1997 01:39:06.170 --> 01:39:09.250 I've been on benefit shows where, you know, the only 1998 01:39:09.270 --> 01:39:11.569 person that benefited was the person that was running it, 1999 01:39:11.590 --> 01:39:16.079 you know? So, um, and, and nowadays, like I've been 2000 01:39:16.180 --> 01:39:20.329 really selective on, on the things that I, you know, 2001 01:39:20.369 --> 01:39:22.569 lend my name to as far as, you know, benefits 2002 01:39:22.630 --> 01:39:23.640 and stuff like. 2003 01:39:25.079 --> 01:39:25.420 That. 2004 01:39:25.899 --> 01:39:27.159 That's very understandable. 2005 01:39:30.239 --> 01:39:32.079 iPhone users, if you're listening to us on the Native 2006 01:39:32.119 --> 01:39:36.130 Podcast app on your iPhone, You can unlock our commercial-free 2007 01:39:36.170 --> 01:39:41.119 versions of our free shows by searching PWTorch in Apple Podcasts. 2008 01:39:41.140 --> 01:39:43.699 You'll see a charcoal gray logo that says PWTorch VIP 2009 01:39:43.760 --> 01:39:45.760 on it. Click on that. 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Just 2020 01:40:18.449 --> 01:40:22.560 search PWTorch in your Apple Podcast app. Thumbs up. 2021 01:40:23.250 --> 01:40:27.770 Okay, so Rampage Pro Wrestling has a TV taping coming 2022 01:40:27.810 --> 01:40:28.960 up this Sunday, is that correct? 2023 01:40:29.739 --> 01:40:30.359 That is correct. 2024 01:40:31.520 --> 01:40:35.060 Any news as to what fans in the Warner Robins, 2025 01:40:35.140 --> 01:40:36.220 Georgia area will see there? 2026 01:40:37.439 --> 01:40:41.989 Yeah, the tag team champions, the usual suspects, which is 2027 01:40:42.029 --> 01:40:44.770 AJ Steel and Murder One, and Murder One's from the 2028 01:40:46.010 --> 01:40:50.810 UWF fame, and... We'll take on Rob Adonis and Bobby 2029 01:40:50.840 --> 01:40:55.479 Moore and Hot White Guava in a three-way tables, ladders, 2030 01:40:55.560 --> 01:40:58.739 and chairs match for the RPW Tag Team titles. So 2031 01:40:59.579 --> 01:41:01.539 I'm very much looking forward to see how that goes. 2032 01:41:02.920 --> 01:41:03.979 Okay. 2033 01:41:04.380 --> 01:41:09.399 Right now the professional wrestling business is maybe at a 2034 01:41:09.399 --> 01:41:12.220 low in terms of the number of places that wrestlers 2035 01:41:12.260 --> 01:41:15.979 can work full-time. I mean, right now there's really one 2036 01:41:16.000 --> 01:41:19.560 and a half of those in this country. How much pressure, additionally, 2037 01:41:19.569 --> 01:41:21.979 do you think that puts on wrestlers? It is a 2038 01:41:21.979 --> 01:41:24.239 struggle to find full-time work, but I was always of 2039 01:41:24.279 --> 01:41:28.260 the mindset, I never knew when. 2040 01:41:28.180 --> 01:41:43.810 My career was over. was going to end, you know? 2041 01:41:43.850 --> 01:41:45.729 So I always had a backup plan, even when I 2042 01:41:45.770 --> 01:41:48.430 was wrestling ring of honor, even when I was wrestling TNA, 2043 01:41:48.470 --> 01:41:52.189 I had other business ventures or working full time and 2044 01:41:52.270 --> 01:41:55.229 doing this. And, um, and so like, I, I've always 2045 01:41:55.270 --> 01:41:57.500 felt like you always have to have kind of a 2046 01:41:57.539 --> 01:42:00.659 backup plan. Like, um, you know, I didn't, I didn't 2047 01:42:00.680 --> 01:42:03.359 finish high school. Um, you know, I didn't, you know, 2048 01:42:03.859 --> 01:42:07.060 thank God for Brian Danielson because, uh, like he helped 2049 01:42:07.079 --> 01:42:08.520 me study for my GED in 2006. 2050 01:42:08.479 --> 01:42:08.800 You know? 2051 01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:13.609 And, um, so, uh, it, uh, Yeah, it's just one 2052 01:42:13.630 --> 01:42:16.829 of those things where, like, if you're looking at it realistically, 2053 01:42:16.850 --> 01:42:19.989 you have to have some other kind of means right 2054 01:42:20.010 --> 01:42:24.630 now unless you're, you know, working for WWE. Even some 2055 01:42:24.770 --> 01:42:26.899 of the guys at TNA, you know, like, they say 2056 01:42:26.939 --> 01:42:30.039 it's hard to make a living, you know. If you're 2057 01:42:30.060 --> 01:42:32.020 not on the house shows and everything like that, it's 2058 01:42:32.060 --> 01:42:39.409 very hard. So, you know, like, you know, the... The 2059 01:42:39.449 --> 01:42:42.649 good thing about competition is it drives people. When WCW 2060 01:42:42.710 --> 01:42:47.050 and WWF were around, like, you know, money was good, and, 2061 01:42:47.069 --> 01:42:49.720 you know, people were getting work, and there was a 2062 01:42:49.720 --> 01:42:53.819 lot more guys employed and a lot more full-time wrestling positions. But, 2063 01:42:53.960 --> 01:42:55.680 you know, that's just not the reality right now. 2064 01:42:57.359 --> 01:42:58.659 Right. 2065

01:42:58.840 --> 01:43:02.020 So, I mean, you obviously remember what happened. You know, 2066 01:43:02.060 --> 01:43:06.409 Jesse Neal's girlfriend put out a tweet saying, hey, we 2067 01:43:06.449 --> 01:43:10.430 qualified for food stamps, and suddenly there's, you know, There's 2068 01:43:10.449 --> 01:43:14.630 a controversy about how well or how not well TNA 2069 01:43:14.989 --> 01:43:19.050 is paying its undercard wrestlers. You've been there. What do 2070 01:43:19.090 --> 01:43:24.340 you think? Is it in line with what they deserve, 2071 01:43:24.460 --> 01:43:25.699 or should they be earning more? 2072 01:43:28.600 --> 01:43:33.180 For me, I was okay because in 2008 we were 2073 01:43:33.319 --> 01:43:35.760 running so many house shows. Lance and I would stay 2074 01:43:35.800 --> 01:43:39.380 booked up on those. TNA sent me to New Japan 2075 01:43:39.439 --> 01:43:42.920 to do the Best of the Super Juniors in 2008. 2076 01:43:42.920 --> 01:43:46.739 That supplemented my income a lot. We were on a 2077 01:43:46.800 --> 01:43:49.659 lot of the TV stuff. I think right now the 2078 01:43:49.699 --> 01:43:54.010 roster is just so big that it's hard for people 2079 01:43:54.510 --> 01:44:01.409 to get on everything. There are always scary times. I 2080 01:44:01.449 --> 01:44:03.829 looked at my contract and I saw how many guaranteed 2081 01:44:03.850 --> 01:44:08.500 dates I had and I saw what I was making 2082 01:44:08.539 --> 01:44:12.479 and I said, I have to look at this realistically. 2083 01:44:12.550 --> 01:44:15.970 This could be the very most I make or the 2084 01:44:15.989 --> 01:44:20.909 very least that I make. I invested in a different 2085 01:44:20.930 --> 01:44:28.029 business and ran that when I wasn't working at TNA. 2086 01:44:28.050 --> 01:44:29.909 Then I would try to just go out and hustle 2087 01:44:29.970 --> 01:44:34.810 up indie bookings and try to supplement my income however. 2088 01:44:34.409 --> 01:44:34.890 I had to. 2089 01:44:37.069 --> 01:44:40.649 Right, I understand. All right, we're going to, we have 2090 01:44:40.710 --> 01:44:46.100 some openings on the phone lines, 646-721-9828. When you call in, 2091 01:44:46.500 --> 01:44:48.439 give the signal that you want to be on the air, 2092 01:44:48.619 --> 01:44:51.140 and you'll get to talk to me and Jimmy Rave 2093 01:44:51.199 --> 01:44:55.350 about the wonderful world of professional wrestling. Right now we're 2094 01:44:55.409 --> 01:44:59.609 going to do our brief event center where we run 2095 01:44:59.649 --> 01:45:03.430 down everything that's going to happen this weekend in professional wrestling, 2096 01:45:04.250 --> 01:45:05.090 starting with. 2097 01:45:05.680 --> 01:45:08.659 Let's see, right now on WWE.com, you can watch. 2098 01:45:08.539 --> 01:45:11.600 Today's edition of NXT. The main event is Titus O'Neill, 2099 01:45:11.659 --> 01:45:16.210 Percy Watson, and AJ taking on JTG, Derek Bateman, and Maxine. 2100 01:45:17.069 --> 01:45:19.369 I

have no idea when this season of NXT is 2101 01:45:19.409 --> 01:45:22.029 going to end, and I know you're not really following it, Jimmy, right? 2102 01:45:23.050 --> 01:45:27.189 No, no, no. I did read results, and I was like, man, 2103 01:45:27.229 --> 01:45:28.329 is this thing still going on? 2104 01:45:28.369 --> 01:45:28.449 No. 2105 01:45:31.180 --> 01:45:34.619 Yeah, they changed the person in charge of the show left, 2106 01:45:35.050 --> 01:45:37.909 and they have the new person running it. I don't 2107 01:45:37.949 --> 01:45:41.869 think that there's any enthusiasm to bring out a whole 2108 01:45:41.909 --> 01:45:45.810 bunch of wrestlers and do NXT Season 7. 2109 01:45:45.810 --> 01:45:48.369 That's a shame. 2110 01:45:48.890 --> 01:45:51.800 There's so many guys in the developmental system that could 2111 01:45:51.810 --> 01:45:55.779 be really shined up in that TV show. I wish 2112 01:45:56.819 --> 01:46:01.399 they would. invest in that, so. 2113 01:46:02.560 --> 01:46:03.359 Well, it would be nice. 2114 01:46:03.939 --> 01:46:07.880 All right, tomorrow, WWE Superstars on WWE.com. Your main event, 2115 01:46:07.979 --> 01:46:13.020 John Morrison versus Drew McIntyre, plus Yoshitatsu, Jinder Mahal, Justin Gabriel, 2116 01:46:13.390 --> 01:46:16.609 and all your favorites from the Superstars brand. And, of course, 2117 01:46:16.989 --> 01:46:20.409 tomorrow night, TNA Impact Wrestling on Spike TV, Jeff Hardy 2118 01:46:20.449 --> 01:46:23.930 and Mr. Anderson battle Jeff Jarrett and Bully Ray, and 2119 01:46:24.489 --> 01:46:27.960 James Storm and Robert Roode for the TNA title. 2120 01:46:28.180 --> 01:46:28.300 Um. 2121 01:46:29.390 --> 01:46:32.010 What are your opinions of James Storm and Robert Rude? 2122 01:46:32.029 --> 01:46:33.810 You obviously interacted with them while you were there. 2123 01:46:34.869 --> 01:46:39.020 Oh, man, like, you know, to watch those guys wrestle 2124 01:46:39.039 --> 01:46:42.079 in a main event on TV against each other was 2125 01:46:42.119 --> 01:46:47.199 just amazing last week. So, you know, they're two of 2126 01:46:47.220 --> 01:46:49.699 the hardest working guys. You know, like, I'm a huge 2127 01:46:50.310 --> 01:46:53.270 Robert Rude fan. Like, I'd always, you know, just thought 2128 01:46:53.310 --> 01:46:55.250 his work was amazing. And, like, we only got to 2129 01:46:55.329 --> 01:46:57.899 wrestle those guys one time. And it was our last 2130 01:46:57.979 --> 01:46:59.760 match at TNA, and I wish we would have just 2131 01:46:59.779 --> 01:47:01.880 got to do it more because I think we could 2132 01:47:01.899 --> 01:47:05.779 have really done some fun stuff with those guys. You know, like, 2133 01:47:05.819 --> 01:47:08.270 and I've known James since, you know, the beginning of 2134 01:47:08.310 --> 01:47:10.649 TNA and, you know, before that when we were both, 2135 01:47:10.689 --> 01:47:14.050 you know, wrestling indies in Nashville. So I just think 2136 01:47:14.069 --> 01:47:17.829 it's awesome that these guys are finally starting to, you know, 2137 01:47:17.850 --> 01:47:19.930 get the spotlight shined on them. 2138 01:47:19.949 --> 01:47:24.560 Yeah, I mean, I'm not crazy with the storyline that 2139 01:47:24.600 --> 01:47:27.840 got them to that point, but... These are the two 2140 01:47:27.880 --> 01:47:30.979 right guys, and I hope... I mean, I had heard 2141 01:47:31.020 --> 01:47:33.899 that James Storm had a legitimate injury going into A 2142 01:47:34.020 --> 01:47:37.060 Bound for Glory. So I hope he's one of those 2143 01:47:37.079 --> 01:47:39.920 wrestlers who actually gets time to heal up. Because you 2144 01:47:39.960 --> 01:47:40.640 don't see that a lot. 2145 01:47:41.800 --> 01:47:42.720 Mm-hmm. Right. 2146 01:47:43.380 --> 01:47:43.779 All right. 2147 01:47:44.100 --> 01:47:48.140 Then on Friday, WWE SmackDown on SyFy. It will be 2148 01:47:48.319 --> 01:47:52.760 Mark Henry against Daniel Bryan in non-title action, followed by... 2149 01:47:53.720 --> 01:47:56.220 Randy Orton and Cody Rhodes in a street fight, that 2150 01:47:56.239 --> 01:47:59.399 doesn't sound too bad. And, you know, SmackDown's doing pretty well, 2151 01:47:59.439 --> 01:48:04.539 I think. And, you know, that's it for the moment. 2152 01:48:05.460 --> 01:48:05.779 Let's see. 2153 01:48:06.300 --> 01:48:09.729 All right, let's talk about your stint in Dragon Gate USA. And, 2154 01:48:09.770 --> 01:48:13.850 you know, I mean, you worked WrestleMania weekend for them. 2155 01:48:14.029 --> 01:48:17.500 Was it weird being, I mean, you've obviously worked with 2156 01:48:17.520 --> 01:48:20.619 Dragon Gate. You've worked with Greg, with Gabe Sapolsky. Was 2157 01:48:20.680 --> 01:48:24.300 it weird, you know, being back sort of for WrestleMania weekend? 2158 01:48:25.939 --> 01:48:28.520 You know, like for me, when I was in rehab, 2159 01:48:29.420 --> 01:48:31.609 you know, one of my goals was like, I was 2160 01:48:32.470 --> 01:48:34.970 severely out of shape. I was like 10 pounds and 2161 01:48:35.010 --> 01:48:39.090 just fat and pale. And, you know, like nobody would, 2162 01:48:39.600 --> 01:48:43.750 you know, even talk to me about doing a wrestling show. Um, and, uh, 2163 01:48:44.170 --> 01:48:46.430 so like one of my main goals was just to, 2164 01:48:46.590 --> 01:48:48.989 to get back into a, uh, a level where I 2165 01:48:49.029 --> 01:48:51.750 thought I could perform with some of the best wrestlers 2166 01:48:51.789 --> 01:48:54.710 in the world. And, um, I was able to do that. Uh, 2167 01:48:54.829 --> 01:48:58.869 and especially on, you know, the WrestleMania weekend wrestling, uh, 2168 01:48:59.960 --> 01:49:03.180 Johnny Gargano was, uh, was really one of the highlights 2169 01:49:03.199 --> 01:49:05.699 of that weekend for me because I think he's an 2170 01:49:05.720 --> 01:49:08.789 amazing talent. And, um, And, you know, like, plus, you know, 2171 01:49:08.810 --> 01:49:11.909 the Dragon Gate guys are

extremely awesome. Like, you know, like, 2172 01:49:11.989 --> 01:49:14.060 I did a whole bunch of tours for those guys, 2173 01:49:14.159 --> 01:49:17.000 and they were just super awesome to me. And, like, 2174 01:49:17.039 --> 01:49:20.279 they always treated me with the utmost respect. And, like, 2175 01:49:20.819 --> 01:49:23.520 it was good to go back and see those guys 2176 01:49:23.819 --> 01:49:26.119 and help out in any way possible. And, you know, 2177 01:49:26.140 --> 01:49:28.159 and then, you know, Gabe and I have a storied history. And, 2178 01:49:28.359 --> 01:49:30.359 you know, he was one of the guys that really 2179 01:49:30.399 --> 01:49:33.649 first took a chance on me. And I appreciate everything 2180 01:49:33.689 --> 01:49:36.750 he's ever done for me. And, like, this was, you know, like... 2181 01:49:37.789 --> 01:49:41.600 you know, to show people that, you know, like, hey, like, 2182 01:49:42.859 --> 01:49:47.140 you know, I'm back and I can hang with these guys. 2183 01:49:47.180 --> 01:49:50.279 So it was really a fulfilling weekend for me. 2184 01:49:52.000 --> 01:49:54.609 Well, it sounds like it. We have a question, another 2185 01:49:54.689 --> 01:49:58.729 one from Kazzy from Jerusalem asking you, what was your 2186 01:49:58.850 --> 01:50:02.529 favorite ever match? And he clarifies match that you were in. 2187 01:50:03.489 --> 01:50:04.649 Okay. 2188 01:50:04.670 --> 01:50:08.680 Oh, man, like, there's just been... so many for so 2189 01:50:08.720 --> 01:50:12.500 many different reasons. Like, um, I really enjoyed, uh, you know, 2190 01:50:12.520 --> 01:50:14.699 wrestling Brian Danielson at the ring of honor for the 2191 01:50:14.739 --> 01:50:17.979 anniversary show because, um, that was the first time they 2192 01:50:18.020 --> 01:50:22.170 let me wrestle for the ROH world title. And, um, and, uh, 2193 01:50:22.470 --> 01:50:24.659 I really felt like I could show that I can 2194 01:50:24.699 --> 01:50:27.899 actually wrestle. And, uh, you know, then there was, uh, 2195 01:50:28.149 --> 01:50:30.289 the stuff that I did with punk early on in 2196 01:50:30.710 --> 01:50:33.869 ring of honor that really helped, you know, settle me 2197 01:50:33.930 --> 01:50:36.130 in as, as being a top guy there. And then, um, 2198 01:50:37.979 --> 01:50:40.979 Like I said, the Johnny Gargano match at WrestleMania weekend 2199 01:50:41.020 --> 01:50:44.460 was huge for me because it was me coming full 2200 01:50:44.500 --> 01:50:47.680 circle and going back and competing with the best in 2201 01:50:47.699 --> 01:50:53.029 the world and doing it clean and sober. I've just 2202 01:50:53.069 --> 01:50:56.850 had so many matches that really hold dear to me. 2203 01:50:58.029 --> 01:50:59.529 It's just really hard to pinpoint one. 2204 01:51:01.569 --> 01:51:03.350 I'll ask the other part of this then. What is 2205 01:51:03.369 --> 01:51:04.960 your favorite match that you weren't in? 2206 01:51:06.579 --> 01:51:07.579 Oh, shoot. 2207

01:51:08.279 --> 01:51:12.310 Um, the one that I saw live that, you know, like, 2208 01:51:12.510 --> 01:51:14.250 you know, like any of the boys that were there 2209 01:51:14.329 --> 01:51:18.770 would probably say the Samoa Joe Kinsakabashi match, uh, Ring 2210 01:51:18.789 --> 01:51:23.489 of Honor, just because of the atmosphere and, um, you know, like, 2211 01:51:24.289 --> 01:51:26.640 what a huge moment it was and how, you know, like, 2212 01:51:27.229 --> 01:51:29.960 how proud we were of Joe and, you know, like, just... 2213 01:51:30.729 --> 01:51:32.449 you know, it just was a turning point and a 2214 01:51:32.449 --> 01:51:34.170 ring of honor for us. And, like, it was just 2215 01:51:34.189 --> 01:51:36.289 awesome to be there and watch it live. 2216 01:51:36.310 --> 01:51:40.119 Yeah, that was a heck of a match, I'll tell you. 2217 01:51:40.880 --> 01:51:44.140 All right, don't forget, fans, later this week, tomorrow on 2218 01:51:44.159 --> 01:51:46.479 the show, it will be James Caldwell, our assistant editor, 2219 01:51:46.539 --> 01:51:49.539 and Greg Parks taking your calls for an hour. Then 2220 01:51:49.640 --> 01:51:52.380 on Friday, Wade Keller will be by. He'll be interviewing someone. 2221 01:51:52.420 --> 01:51:55.020 We do not know who the guest will be then. 2222 01:51:55.279 --> 01:51:59.279 And then back around on Monday, Bruce Mitchell and Travis 2223 01:51:59.350 --> 01:52:01.710 Bryant will be– To be on the live cast, we 2224 01:52:01.750 --> 01:52:04.970 are talking today with Jimmy Rave. He is formerly of 2225 01:52:05.109 --> 01:52:07.470 Total Nonstop Action. He's also wrestled in Ring of Honor 2226 01:52:07.869 --> 01:52:10.310 and Dragon Gate, and he is heavily involved with the 2227 01:52:10.670 --> 01:52:15.539 Rampage Pro Wrestling Indie Promotion out of Georgia. Taking your call, 646-721-9828. 2228 01:52:16.560 --> 01:52:21.520 All right, going back to this weekend's shows coming up. 2229 01:52:22.470 --> 01:52:25.909 Let's see here. Coming up on Saturday. No, actually, let's 2230 01:52:25.930 --> 01:52:29.449 do this first. TNA house shows this weekend, Mount Pleasant, 2231 01:52:29.489 --> 01:52:32.250 Battle Creek, Toledo, and Windsor. I don't have any lineups, 2232 01:52:32.289 --> 01:52:35.850 but Jeff Jarrett, Mr. Anderson, Rob Van Dam, and A.J. 2233 01:52:35.890 --> 01:52:40.909 Stiles are all advertised. And courtesy of James Caldwell at pwchurch.com, 2234 01:52:40.930 --> 01:52:49.460 we have breaking news. Apparently on the house show in Dublin, Ireland, tonight, 2235 01:52:49.500 --> 01:52:53.020 which actually took place a couple hours ago, Mick Foley 2236 01:52:53.039 --> 01:52:57.520 made his long-awaited return to WWE. Jimmy, you... You worked 2237 01:52:57.539 --> 01:53:00.260 with Mick Foley, I think, I don't know if you 2238 01:53:00.279 --> 01:53:01.420 worked with him in TNA, but I know you worked 2239 01:53:01.439 --> 01:53:02.199 with him in Ring of Honor. 2240 01:53:03.010 --> 01:53:03.159 Mm-hmm. 2241 01:53:04.399 --> 01:53:07.229 Yeah, he's an awesome guy. Like, he's just, you know, 2242 01:53:07.250 --> 01:53:12.470 he's somebody that, you know, just is there and trying 2243 01:53:12.489 --> 01:53:15.850 to help business out as much as he can. Like, 2244 01:53:15.869 --> 01:53:18.189 and I, you know, like, I think he's a hilarious dude. Like, 2245 01:53:18.670 --> 01:53:22.449 he's always got the funniest stories, so that's awesome that he's, 2246 01:53:22.930 --> 01:53:24.609 you know, getting another run there. 2247 01:53:24.630 --> 01:53:28.680 All right, well, I mean, You've been in the business 2248 01:53:28.739 --> 01:53:30.600 for several years. I'm sure you have some funny stories. 2249 01:53:32.020 --> 01:53:34.060 Oh, yeah, I've got tons. Most of them involve Sal 2250 01:53:34.140 --> 01:53:38.380 Renaro in some way or fashion. We used to drive 2251 01:53:38.399 --> 01:53:44.079 down to FIP once a month. And, you know, those 2252 01:53:44.119 --> 01:53:48.340 car rides are eight hours long. And, you know, we 2253 01:53:48.380 --> 01:53:52.119 were both pretty dedicated to the gym at one point. 2254 01:53:52.560 --> 01:53:58.920 And Sal would... trying to take shortcuts on drinking protein shakes. 2255 01:53:58.960 --> 01:54:02.050 We just put the powder in his mouth and, uh, 2256 01:54:02.239 --> 01:54:04.050 and then, and then put it like a gallon of 2257 01:54:04.090 --> 01:54:06.350 water up to his, to his mouth and try to 2258 01:54:06.390 --> 01:54:11.109 shake his head, you know? Well, uh, so we're, we're 2259 01:54:11.149 --> 01:54:14.289 driving down 75. Oh, I'm driving down 75 and Sal's 2260 01:54:14.350 --> 01:54:16.869 doing this. And then as he, you know, tips the 2261 01:54:16.909 --> 01:54:19.739 water back to try to get a little bit of it, 2262 01:54:19.800 --> 01:54:22.260 I tipped it the whole way back and it, and 2263 01:54:22.300 --> 01:54:23.880 he threw up all over the front of my car. 2264 01:54:24.810 --> 01:54:26.170 It was a good idea. 2265 01:54:25.850 --> 01:54:30.199 Before I thought about it. But then, you know, we 2266 01:54:30.220 --> 01:54:32.640 stopped at a gas station and he got out and, 2267 01:54:33.000 --> 01:54:34.340 you know, and I was like, man, you got to 2268 01:54:34.359 --> 01:54:36.779 clean my car, dude. Like you threw up all over 2269 01:54:36.800 --> 01:54:38.899 the place. So he gets out to clean my car 2270 01:54:40.039 --> 01:54:42.850 and buys a new protein shake and puts it in 2271 01:54:42.869 --> 01:54:47.510 the console. And I had some liquid Ambasol, which numbs 2272 01:54:47.529 --> 01:54:50.979 your mouth. There's only two fakes and everything. So I 2273 01:54:51.039 --> 01:54:55.520 poured it in his new protein shake, and the rest 2274 01:54:55.560 --> 01:54:57.210 of the ride was pretty funny. He was just drooling 2275 01:54:57.229 --> 01:54:57.869 all over himself. 2276 01:54:59.409 --> 01:55:02.550 As they say on WWE television, kids, do not

try 2277 01:55:02.609 --> 01:55:03.130 this at home. 2278 01:55:04.470 --> 01:55:07.970 Yeah, probably not the smartest ideas we've had. We did 2279 01:55:08.010 --> 01:55:08.909 a lot of stupid things. 2280 01:55:11.720 --> 01:55:15.899 That goes with being in your 20s, Jimmy. Some of 2281 01:55:15.979 --> 01:55:20.479 us passed out a few years ago. So, yeah, enjoy it. 2282 01:55:22.770 --> 01:55:24.850 Admit it, you love Nick Barbatti when he co-hosts with 2283 01:55:24.890 --> 01:55:26.649 me on the Wade Keller Post Shows. Well, now you 2284 01:55:26.670 --> 01:55:28.949 can listen to him every week on the Nicky's Club, 2285 01:55:28.989 --> 01:55:32.029 a VIP exclusive podcast. Here's Nick to tell you more. 2286 01:55:32.180 --> 01:55:34.619 Hey, wrestling fans. It's Nick Barbatti, and I'm back with 2287 01:55:34.640 --> 01:55:36.699 the Nicky's Club, the place where the family of Nicky's 2288 01:55:36.760 --> 01:55:39.680 comes together for big laughs and sharp takes on WWE. 2289 01:55:39.760 --> 01:55:42.659 From WrestleMania rumors to surprise returns, I got you covered. 2290 01:55:42.819 --> 01:55:45.020 The Nicky's Club, where the wrestling feels like the coolest 2291 01:55:45.060 --> 01:55:45.619 club in town. 2292 01:55:45.859 --> 01:55:47.640 Nick Barbatti wants to be part of your pro wrestling 2293 01:55:47.680 --> 01:55:52.010 life every week, so... Why not let him? GoVIP. PWTorch.com 2294 01:55:52.289 --> 01:55:55.210 slash GoVIP for full details on signing up. We're compatible 2295 01:55:55.229 --> 01:55:58.529 with Patreon, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and just about any other 2296 01:55:58.670 --> 01:56:00.670 iOS or Android app out there. You can also stream 2297 01:56:00.689 --> 01:56:03.710 directly from our ad-free VIP website. The Nicky's Club, waiting 2298 01:56:03.729 --> 01:56:06.289 for you every week at PWTorch VIP. 2299 01:56:08.750 --> 01:56:14.449 Let's see. WWE also, man, they are in Europe pretty 2300 01:56:14.470 --> 01:56:20.949 much all this week. Raw is in Dublin. earlier tonight, Nantes, Omniville, Manchester, 2301 01:56:21.029 --> 01:56:24.069 and Sheffield, both all those shows with Alberto Del Rio 2302 01:56:24.090 --> 01:56:26.640 versus John Cena and CM Punk versus The Miz scheduled. 2303 01:56:27.229 --> 01:56:30.520 The SmackDown group is in Bilbao, Spain, and then in 2304 01:56:30.619 --> 01:56:35.579 Austria and Graz, Vienna, Cardiff, Wales, and Birmingham. And those 2305 01:56:35.800 --> 01:56:37.899 lucky people get to see Mark Henry versus Randy Orton 2306 01:56:37.979 --> 01:56:41.890 and Sheamus versus Christian. And your old stomping grounds, Ring 2307 01:56:41.909 --> 01:56:45.680 of Honor, they have their TV show this weekend. Featured 2308 01:56:45.720 --> 01:56:48.680 matches are Michael Elgin versus Shiloh Jones and Charlie Haas 2309 01:56:48.760 --> 01:56:53.399 and Shelton Benjamin taking on Cedric Alexander and Caprice Coleman 2310 01:56:53.439 --> 01:56:57.319 in non-title action. You know

both Cedric Alexander and Caprice Coleman, 2311 01:56:57.390 --> 01:56:57.649 I think. 2312 01:56:58.510 --> 01:57:00.750 Oh, yeah. Caprice was one of my first matches at 2313 01:57:00.829 --> 01:57:05.609 NWA Wildside, and Cedric has been working at Rampage with 2314 01:57:05.689 --> 01:57:09.710 us for a while. So I'm very excited to see that. 2315 01:57:12.010 --> 01:57:14.930 Looking at questions from the chat room. Steve from California asks, 2316 01:57:15.029 --> 01:57:20.130 is Prince Albert slash Giant Bernard still wrestling in Japan? Yes, 2317 01:57:20.189 --> 01:57:23.890 in fact, he is. I believe I saw his name 2318 01:57:23.970 --> 01:57:26.329 on some New Japan results earlier today. 2319 01:57:27.109 --> 01:57:27.989 Yeah. 2320 01:57:29.329 --> 01:57:30.130 That's it. 2321 01:57:30.270 --> 01:57:33.949 They love him over there, man. When I went over 2322 01:57:33.979 --> 01:57:37.220 there in 2008, he was like a god. 2323 01:57:38.220 --> 01:57:38.739 He was just. 2324 01:57:39.560 --> 01:57:43.189 He's probably the number one American right there, right now. 2325 01:57:45.130 --> 01:57:48.329 Yeah, they never can't shave your back, Adam? 2326 01:57:49.529 --> 01:57:55.050 No, he stays pretty shaved up, really. Yeah, he stays 2327 01:57:55.069 --> 01:57:58.649 pretty shaved up. So he's a really good dude, and 2328 01:57:58.930 --> 01:58:00.210 I have a ton of respect for him. 2329 01:58:02.270 --> 01:58:04.489 All right, moving along then. Let's see what else we 2330 01:58:04.510 --> 01:58:08.229 have this weekend. Oh, yes, the UWF has its Street 2331 01:58:08.250 --> 01:58:12.800 Kings pay-per-view this Sunday. Matches include the SATs versus Brian 2332 01:58:12.840 --> 01:58:16.439 Excel and Lance Lude. And for the UWF title, Homicide 2333 01:58:16.460 --> 01:58:21.619 versus Rashi Brown versus Bestia versus Ricky Reyes. A bunch 2334 01:58:21.640 --> 01:58:23.859 of guys who have been around and done a lot 2335 01:58:23.899 --> 01:58:26.560 of things. Um, let's see. Did you ever, did you 2336 01:58:26.579 --> 01:58:29.159 get involved, Jimmy, with the, with the, uh, wrestling revolution 2337 01:58:29.180 --> 01:58:34.350 project or was that, you know, a bit out of your, uh, no, yeah. 2338 01:58:34.890 --> 01:58:38.130 Um, yeah, I wasn't contacted for that one, but, uh, 2339 01:58:38.149 --> 01:58:39.909 it seems like a very interesting project. 2340 01:58:42.279 --> 01:58:43.819 Well, I mean, I'm hoping we get to see it 2341 01:58:43.840 --> 01:58:47.079 all here in a couple of months. And, uh, we, 2342 01:58:47.140 --> 01:58:48.960 we normally do a segment on the show about, uh, 2343 01:58:49.819 --> 01:58:52.359 called Pat McNeil Makes Fun of Your Eye Pay-Per-View. Have 2344 01:58:52.380 --> 01:58:55.380 you guys given any thought to Internet Pay-Per-View for Rampage? 2345 01:58:56.539 --> 01:58:57.279 No, not yet. 2346 01:58:59.699 --> 01:59:04.560 Yeah, I'm just having a hard time figuring out. My 2347 01:59:04.600 --> 01:59:08.399 guess is maybe when the technology gets better, it'll be 2348 01:59:08.439 --> 01:59:11.979 more appealing to people, but right now I just don't 2349 01:59:12.100 --> 01:59:12.390 see it. 2350 01:59:14.159 --> 01:59:19.840 Yeah, I mean, it's a hard... right now it's such 2351 01:59:19.899 --> 01:59:23.060 a hard time in pro wrestling because, um, you know, 2352 01:59:23.100 --> 01:59:27.079 people just don't have money for entertainment right now. Like, um, 2353 01:59:27.859 --> 01:59:31.699 it's just, you know, like DVD sales aren't what they 2354 01:59:32.010 --> 01:59:35.060 used to be. And, you know, pay-per-view buy rates aren't 2355 01:59:35.090 --> 01:59:37.350 what they used to be. And, um, unless you're UFC 2356 01:59:37.409 --> 01:59:40.029 or something, you know what I mean? Like, and it's just, uh, 2357 01:59:40.430 --> 01:59:43.789 such a hard time for, you know, you know, the 2358 01:59:43.829 --> 01:59:46.210 economy being bad and people aren't coming out to those 2359 01:59:46.250 --> 01:59:50.939 many shows and, You hear the same thing all the 2360 01:59:51.180 --> 01:59:54.439 way from TNA to Ring of Honor, all the way 2361 01:59:54.460 --> 01:59:57.960 to Rampage. We see the trend also. 2362 01:59:59.939 --> 02:00:00.079 Right. 2363 02:00:00.600 --> 02:00:03.720 It's very difficult to do anything in indie wrestling these days. 2364 02:00:05.859 --> 02:00:10.899 You've been involved in booking. WWE did a show on 2365 02:00:10.960 --> 02:00:14.840 Monday night where they pretty much had what should be 2366 02:00:15.020 --> 02:00:18.829 three people pay-per-view main events and, and none of them were, 2367 02:00:18.850 --> 02:00:20.890 you know, only one of them was built up before 2368 02:00:20.930 --> 02:00:22.930 the show and they had the markets on the show, 2369 02:00:22.970 --> 02:00:25.569 which means they'd, you know, probably could have gotten the 2370 02:00:25.590 --> 02:00:28.189 same rating without, without doing any of those. How do 2371 02:00:28.229 --> 02:00:31.359 you restrain yourself? Uh, you know, in order to, I mean, 2372 02:00:31.500 --> 02:00:34.899 I know, I know wrestlers and bookers get excited about concepts, 2373 02:00:34.960 --> 02:00:37.140 but how do you, you know, how do you pace, 2374 02:00:37.180 --> 02:00:39.659 how do you remember to pace things so that, uh, 2375 02:00:40.279 --> 02:00:42.979 so that you don't, uh, run ahead of yourself and like, 2376 02:00:43.119 --> 02:00:46.069 for example, uh, Do the entire Robert Roode, James Storm 2377 02:00:46.149 --> 02:00:47.710 angle in one taping. 2378 02:00:48.729 --> 02:00:52.350 Right. Yeah, it's– you know, it's– sometimes you've got to 2379 02:00:52.369 --> 02:00:56.520 pull the trigger and, you know, like– I would just 2380 02:00:56.579 --> 02:01:01.390 sit back and listen to, like, Dutch Man's Hell. And, like, 2381 02:01:01.449 --> 02:01:03.470 you know, like, so I would grab things from Dutch, 2382 02:01:03.510 --> 02:01:05.550 and

I would grab things from Gabe, and I would 2383 02:01:05.569 --> 02:01:09.949 grab things from, you know, anybody I was around. Bill Behrens, and, 2384 02:01:10.069 --> 02:01:13.069 you know, he helps me out with the Rampage stuff. 2385 02:01:13.229 --> 02:01:16.489 And it's just one of those things where you really 2386 02:01:16.529 --> 02:01:19.670 have to look at the bigger picture of things. Like, 2387 02:01:19.710 --> 02:01:24.189 I've been in a feud with Kyle Matthews now for 2388 02:01:24.989 --> 02:01:28.489 almost a year and a half, and he hasn't pinned 2389 02:01:28.529 --> 02:01:31.640 me a single time. And we've kept it going, you know, 2390 02:01:31.680 --> 02:01:34.619 and he still has, you know, all his momentum and 2391 02:01:34.680 --> 02:01:37.180 I still have all my heat. And it's one of 2392 02:01:37.239 --> 02:01:40.579 those things where it's, you know, like you just have 2393 02:01:40.619 --> 02:01:44.439 to sit back and let it manifest and always give, 2394 02:01:44.699 --> 02:01:47.260 you know, people a reason to do things. But, like, 2395 02:01:48.180 --> 02:01:51.310 you know, we started The Angle and we didn't touch 2396 02:01:51.350 --> 02:01:55.670 each other for the first four months, you know. And 2397 02:01:55.689 --> 02:01:58.350 that was the first, you know, real big show that 2398 02:01:58.390 --> 02:02:03.229 we had. um, without bringing in, you know, uh, some, uh, 2399 02:02:03.250 --> 02:02:07.710 name or anything like that. So, um, you know, you 2400 02:02:07.810 --> 02:02:10.939 really have to look at the bigger picture and things and, and, um, 2401 02:02:11.069 --> 02:02:15.560 be willing to, uh, let them manifest. And, um, like 2402 02:02:15.600 --> 02:02:17.899 I tried to, I tried to put like, you know, 2403 02:02:17.939 --> 02:02:21.060 three or four angles in play and then like stack 2404 02:02:21.079 --> 02:02:24.319 them to where, you know, like one's peaking at one 2405 02:02:24.380 --> 02:02:27.319 point and, you know, one's just starting at another, you 2406 02:02:27.340 --> 02:02:29.939 know what I mean? So like where, you know, Kyle 2407 02:02:29.979 --> 02:02:32.020 and I might not always be the main event. You know, like, 2408 02:02:32.239 --> 02:02:34.939 for example, this TV, it's the three-way tag match. And 2409 02:02:36.300 --> 02:02:41.520 so it's just one of those things where, like, you know, like, 2410 02:02:41.539 --> 02:02:44.060 growing up when I was a kid, like, I only 2411 02:02:44.100 --> 02:02:45.979 saw Hulk Hogan unless I paid for him. 2412 02:02:46.020 --> 02:02:46.520 You know what I mean? 2413 02:02:46.560 --> 02:02:48.479 Like, you only saw him on the pay-per-views. You weren't... 2414 02:02:49.079 --> 02:02:50.880 Or a Saturday night main event. You know, like, you 2415 02:02:50.920 --> 02:02:55.659 weren't seeing him on Superstars every week. You know? And 2416 02:02:55.699 --> 02:02:58.340 I believe in that. Like, I believe that, you know, like, people... 2417 02:02:58.739 --> 02:03:01.220 You know, we'll pay to see something, you know, so 2418 02:03:01.399 --> 02:03:03.979 just don't always give it away for free. 2419 02:03:06.520 --> 02:03:06.989 All right. 2420 02:03:07.409 --> 02:03:11.909 Hold on just one moment. I got so involved in 2421 02:03:11.949 --> 02:03:16.840 doing the interview that I forgot something here. Our weekly 2422 02:03:16.899 --> 02:03:19.460 run-in from Travis Bryant, who hosts the East Coast Cast, 2423 02:03:19.819 --> 02:03:23.520 immediately following this program on Blog Talk Radio. Travis, how 2424 02:03:23.579 --> 02:03:23.960 are you doing? 2425 02:03:24.619 --> 02:03:26.039 Hear ye, hear ye. 2426 02:03:26.060 --> 02:03:28.560 Thanks for the fanfare, Pat. I'm doing good. 2427 02:03:28.579 --> 02:03:29.060 No problem. 2428 02:03:29.079 --> 02:03:29.859 What's happening, Jimmy? 2429 02:03:30.000 --> 02:03:30.520 How's it going? 2430 02:03:30.539 --> 02:03:35.399 Good. East Coast cast coming up in just under 10 minutes. 2431 02:03:35.520 --> 02:03:39.699 We've got a lot on deck. Why was the Muppets 2432 02:03:40.149 --> 02:03:44.649 the most interesting thing about Monday Night Raw? What's going 2433 02:03:44.770 --> 02:03:51.130 on in TNA? My promise backed out. Me backing out 2434 02:03:51.149 --> 02:03:55.619 of my promise to fall out from that. Dre has 2435 02:03:56.680 --> 02:04:00.420 his interpretation and his aspect and everything on impact and 2436 02:04:00.439 --> 02:04:03.600 what's going on over there. I think he's caught up 2437 02:04:03.800 --> 02:04:06.010 on the Ring of Honor TV. I am not, so 2438 02:04:06.270 --> 02:04:08.170 I'm going to lean on him for that. But we've 2439 02:04:08.189 --> 02:04:12.210 got all kinds of shenanigans and fun, so right after 2440 02:04:12.250 --> 02:04:15.289 Pat and Jim are done, why don't you tune over 2441 02:04:15.329 --> 02:04:16.210 to the East Coast cast. 2442 02:04:16.510 --> 02:04:17.109 About eight minutes. 2443 02:04:18.489 --> 02:04:18.840 All right. 2444 02:04:18.850 --> 02:04:24.340 That is blogtalkradio.com. slash East Coast Cast. As we say, 2445 02:04:24.359 --> 02:04:26.300 parental discretion is advised. 2446 02:04:26.720 --> 02:04:29.060 Have a good show, Travis. Thanks, man. 2447 02:04:29.960 --> 02:04:32.920 All right. Always good to hear from Travis, and I 2448 02:04:32.960 --> 02:04:37.579 hope he has a good show. And immediately after this broadcast, 2449 02:04:37.600 --> 02:04:40.500 our Torch VIP members will be taping a– James Caldwell 2450 02:04:40.539 --> 02:04:42.319 and I will be taping an after show for you 2451 02:04:42.359 --> 02:04:44.359 where we will address a lot of your e-mail questions 2452 02:04:44.399 --> 02:04:47.220 that we did not get to on the program today. 2453 02:04:48.430 --> 02:04:50.569 As always, our show brought to you by the often imitated, 2454 02:04:50.609 --> 02:04:53.460 never duplicated Pro Wrestling Torch newsletter and website. Our website 2455 02:04:53.500 -->

02:04:56.399 is at PWTorch.com. That's also where you can find our 2456 02:04:56.439 --> 02:05:00.140 free app for iPhone, Android, and iPad. You can find 2457 02:05:00.180 --> 02:05:04.750 our Facebook fan page, Facebook.com slash Pro Wrestling Torch. And 2458 02:05:04.770 --> 02:05:08.449 to subscribe to the Torch newsletter website and audios, go 2459 02:05:08.470 --> 02:05:12.449 to PWTorch.com slash GoVIP. You can find out all the 2460 02:05:12.470 --> 02:05:16.100 details there. about our various subscription plans. We do this 2461 02:05:16.140 --> 02:05:20.100 show Tuesday through Friday, 530 to 630 p.m., and then 2462 02:05:20.239 --> 02:05:23.060 Monday in the hour before Raw, Bruce and Travis will 2463 02:05:23.100 --> 02:05:26.220 host it from 8 to 9 Eastern, leading right up 2464 02:05:26.260 --> 02:05:29.920 to the program. And it's great to have Jimmy Rave 2465 02:05:29.960 --> 02:05:33.659 on today. You started training at 15 is what I read. 2466 02:05:33.680 --> 02:05:40.010 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was playing baseball in high school 2467 02:05:40.109 --> 02:05:42.449 and training to be a pro wrestler at the same time. 2468 02:05:43.640 --> 02:05:46.590 And that's really where a lot of my family problems 2469 02:05:46.600 --> 02:05:49.630 started happening. Like, I got kicked out of my house 2470 02:05:49.750 --> 02:05:54.489 and went to a youth detention center and all this goodness. And, 2471 02:05:54.510 --> 02:05:57.529 you know, like, I was around 15, 16. So, yeah, like, 2472 02:05:57.590 --> 02:05:59.949 I had started training to be a pro wrestler and 2473 02:06:00.489 --> 02:06:02.109 kind of redirected my life after that. 2474 02:06:02.130 --> 02:06:05.390 Well, let me ask you this. Do you think that 2475 02:06:05.470 --> 02:06:08.390 pro wrestling is sort of a magnet for people who have, 2476 02:06:08.449 --> 02:06:11.789 you know, who have some type of issues? Because, you know, 2477 02:06:12.550 --> 02:06:16.770 I mean, if your reality sucks, you know, you might 2478 02:06:16.850 --> 02:06:19.010 be attracted to it, to a fantasy world where you 2479 02:06:19.050 --> 02:06:20.350 don't have to worry about that sort of thing? 2480 02:06:21.310 --> 02:06:26.109 Oh, yeah, completely. Like, you know, pro wrestling is a 2481 02:06:26.130 --> 02:06:30.479 three-ring circus, you know, so, you know, not everybody has, 2482 02:06:30.760 --> 02:06:33.720 you know, a traumatic childhood, but, I mean, like, you know, like, 2483 02:06:33.739 --> 02:06:36.060 there's a sense of vanity here and, you know, a 2484 02:06:36.060 --> 02:06:39.079 sense of pride and, like, you know, like, you know, 2485 02:06:39.119 --> 02:06:40.800 I take a lot of pride in my work and, like, 2486 02:06:40.859 --> 02:06:43.699 it was stuff that I was proud of in my 2487 02:06:43.939 --> 02:06:47.939 home life, that I was trying to find something to 2488 02:06:48.000 --> 02:06:52.760 latch on to, and it was pro wrestling. It really 2489 02:06:52.819 --> 02:06:54.840 was a great thing for me for a long time. 2490 02:06:54.859 --> 02:07:00.850 I didn't really start using it really bad until 2006. 2491 02:07:00.829 --> 02:07:02.489 It was a great thing for me for a long time. 2492 02:07:03.949 --> 02:07:07.010 Me not knowing how to deal with issues that were 2493 02:07:08.069 --> 02:07:10.800 coming up in my life, it just you know, took 2494 02:07:10.840 --> 02:07:13.399 hold of itself. But I firmly believe that, you know, 2495 02:07:13.420 --> 02:07:17.560 a lot of people that have, you know, troubles in 2496 02:07:17.600 --> 02:07:22.170 their past, like, make their way into our little wrestling world. 2497 02:07:24.430 --> 02:07:25.949 Someone in the chat room wants to tell you that 2498 02:07:25.970 --> 02:07:27.289 you sound like Tom Petty. 2499 02:07:28.210 --> 02:07:28.489 Tom Petty? 2500 02:07:28.510 --> 02:07:31.720 I don't do that myself. Yeah, I don't do that myself, really. 2501 02:07:32.579 --> 02:07:33.880 I wish I could get his paychecks. 2502 02:07:34.979 --> 02:07:41.300 Yeah, seriously. Okay, before we wrap things up today, let's 2503 02:07:41.359 --> 02:07:44.619 go to one of our favorite segments here, the five 2504 02:07:44.659 --> 02:07:48.840 things you might not know. Number one, Hernandez and Gorgeous 2505 02:07:48.880 --> 02:07:53.390 George headlining for River City Wrestling in San Antonio this Saturday. 2506 02:07:54.329 --> 02:07:56.729 Number two, Ring of Honor announced its main event for 2507 02:07:56.750 --> 02:08:00.000 its Spartanburg, South Carolina show on December the 3rd, the 2508 02:08:00.020 --> 02:08:03.199 20-Man Honor Rumble, or whatever they're calling their version of 2509 02:08:03.239 --> 02:08:06.560 the Royal Rumble. Number three, for VIP members, our own 2510 02:08:06.640 --> 02:08:10.979 Sean Radican has an interview up with Homicide from Urban 2511 02:08:11.020 --> 02:08:15.210 Wrestling Federation, talking about this weekend's big pay-per-view. You can 2512 02:08:15.229 --> 02:08:19.770 check that out on our website. Number four, I have 2513 02:08:19.829 --> 02:08:23.909 quotes from both Finley and Ken Doan today claiming that 2514 02:08:23.949 --> 02:08:27.670 they turned down the opportunity to work for TNA. That's 2515 02:08:27.710 --> 02:08:30.069 kind of interesting. And number five, something that we talked 2516 02:08:30.109 --> 02:08:34.439 about last week, Paul Heyman's new book, The Heyman Hustle, 2517 02:08:34.960 --> 02:08:39.819 has been delayed indefinitely. And next week on the program, 2518 02:08:39.859 --> 02:08:45.710 we'll have Ring of Honor Vice President, excuse me, And 2519 02:08:46.229 --> 02:08:48.520 Dragon Gate, Sammy Callahan, as we come up on the 2520 02:08:48.739 --> 02:08:52.920 next set of big Dragon Gate Internet pay-per-view. 2521 02:08:53.340 --> 02:08:56.539 And if you don't know, now. 2522 02:08:58.100 --> 02:09:00.510 You know. 2523 02:09:00.600 --> 02:09:01.050 Thank you. 2524 02:09:01.100 --> 02:09:02.069

Thank you very much, Christian. 2525 02:09:02.689 --> 02:09:03.449 All right. 2526 02:09:03.489 --> 02:09:07.189 Well, Jimmy, it's been a fun hour. We have a 2527 02:09:07.210 --> 02:09:11.329 few more minutes to go. Talk a bit about what– 2528 02:09:11.529 --> 02:09:13.640 I mean, you've been up to the big stage, and 2529 02:09:13.880 --> 02:09:17.710 now you're– now you're back at home with a real job. 2530 02:09:17.729 --> 02:09:19.890 You know, how do you, I mean, how do you 2531 02:09:19.949 --> 02:09:23.670 stay excited about professional wrestling with all that's going on, 2532 02:09:24.130 --> 02:09:25.310 other than not watching Raw. 2533 02:09:25.329 --> 02:09:27.029 I guess? 2534 02:09:27.189 --> 02:09:30.170 Yeah, you know, like, I still have things in the works, and, 2535 02:09:30.189 --> 02:09:34.520 you know, fortunately, my, the company that I work for, 2536 02:09:34.529 --> 02:09:36.899 the Georgia Mental Health and Spare Network, are very supportive 2537 02:09:36.960 --> 02:09:40.800 of me venturing out, because this, you know, brings awareness 2538 02:09:40.819 --> 02:09:43.119 to some of the causes that we're in, and You know, like, 2539 02:09:43.140 --> 02:09:48.720 I just, I really, you know, felt like I was 2540 02:09:48.800 --> 02:09:50.630 very fortunate to get in the job that I have 2541 02:09:50.689 --> 02:09:54.170 now to where, like, I, you know, can focus a 2542 02:09:54.210 --> 02:09:58.229 lot of my passion that I have for wrestling into that. 2543 02:09:58.350 --> 02:10:01.939 But then, like, taking myself out of the wrestling for 2544 02:10:01.960 --> 02:10:06.239 a little bit, like, also renews my passion somewhat, you know. So, um, 2545 02:10:06.560 --> 02:10:09.220 you know, just not being super involved in it, like 2546 02:10:09.600 --> 02:10:11.520 gets me excited about it. And like, I get to 2547 02:10:11.539 --> 02:10:14.609 sit down and watch shows and, and, and get excited 2548 02:10:14.670 --> 02:10:17.449 about wrestling again. Like I just, I saw Davey Richards 2549 02:10:17.510 --> 02:10:20.510 this past Sunday and, you know, like we caught, you know, 2550 02:10:20.550 --> 02:10:23.029 like got to catch up and like, it was just, 2551 02:10:23.569 --> 02:10:26.420 you know, like really fun just watching, you know, him 2552 02:10:26.460 --> 02:10:29.800 and Kyle O'Reilly wrestle each other and getting excited about 2553 02:10:29.840 --> 02:10:32.619 pro wrestling again. And it's, um, you know, it's because like, 2554 02:10:32.640 --> 02:10:36.670 I'm not consumed with it now. And, um, and, and that's, 2555 02:10:36.930 --> 02:10:39.550 you know, it's, it's healthy for me because before, um, 2556 02:10:40.930 --> 02:10:45.220 you know, I put everything, um, behind pro wrestling and, 2557 02:10:45.380 --> 02:10:49.760 and really like, um, it was, I wasn't happy unless 2558 02:10:49.819 --> 02:10:53.060 I was wrestling, you know? And, uh, and like you, 2559 02:10:53.300 --> 02:10:57.119 I just, it's not a

healthy way to live. No. 2560 02:10:57.270 --> 02:10:59.170 Uh, you know, and, and I'm, I'm sure your family 2561 02:10:59.210 --> 02:11:00.409 life has improved because of this. 2562 02:11:01.470 --> 02:11:01.689 Oh yeah. 2563 02:11:01.710 --> 02:11:03.579 It's tremendously like, um, you know, like I have a, 2564 02:11:04.199 --> 02:11:06.880 you know, a 15-month-old son now, and, you know, like, 2565 02:11:06.899 --> 02:11:08.840 so I get to see him, like, grow up and, 2566 02:11:09.119 --> 02:11:12.479 you know, hang out with him. You know, and I 2567 02:11:12.500 --> 02:11:14.819 get to be a little bit more selective about, you know, 2568 02:11:14.880 --> 02:11:19.470 what bookings that I take, and... And so that's just 2569 02:11:19.489 --> 02:11:23.229 been an awesome thing for me, and not feeling like 2570 02:11:23.310 --> 02:11:26.329 I need to always get out there and hustle and 2571 02:11:26.369 --> 02:11:29.729 grind and get in the car for 100 bucks and 2572 02:11:29.750 --> 02:11:31.670 drive 15 hours or anything like that, you know? 2573 02:11:31.689 --> 02:11:31.750 So. 2574 02:11:33.060 --> 02:11:35.720 You know, it's just been really, really good for me 2575 02:11:35.760 --> 02:11:39.130 to be sitting back and, you know, like when somebody 2576 02:11:39.149 --> 02:11:40.890 gives me the ball, I'm going to run and score, 2577 02:11:40.970 --> 02:11:43.300 you know. So, you know, like I just got to 2578 02:11:43.340 --> 02:11:45.100 wait for the ball and, you know, like I think 2579 02:11:45.119 --> 02:11:45.939 it'll come up soon. 2580 02:11:46.880 --> 02:11:49.600 Like I said, I have things coming up. 2581 02:11:50.539 --> 02:11:50.899 All right. 2582 02:11:51.000 --> 02:11:53.579 That now means our time here is almost done. 2583 02:11:53.600 --> 02:11:54.880 Tim, thank you very much for being. 2584 02:11:54.819 --> 02:11:57.079 On the program today. 2585 02:11:57.239 --> 02:11:58.520 No problem. 2586 02:11:58.560 --> 02:11:58.930 Thank you. 2587 02:11:58.939 --> 02:12:02.529 And tomorrow we will have Tim Caldwell and Greg Parks 2588 02:12:02.550 --> 02:12:05.869 hosting the show. Until then, this is Pat McHale reminding. 2589 02:12:05.609 --> 02:12:06.609 You to keep your feet on the. 2590 02:12:06.590 --> 02:12:09.210 Ground and keep shooting for the stars. Good night, everybody. 2591 02:12:19.380 --> 02:12:20.699 Well, there you have it, folks. 2592 02:12:21.340 --> 02:12:26.500 Another happy ending from the good people at Jimmy James Incorporated. 2593 02:12:29.229 --> 02:12:31.189 You know that last segment you're just listening to and 2594 02:12:31.229 --> 02:12:33.250 the next one that you're waiting to listen to? Those 2595 02:12:33.310 --> 02:12:35.789 can be one second apart with a VIP membership. You 2596 02:12:35.829 --> 02:12:39.970 can unlock our commercial-free versions of our shows. PWTorch.com slash 2597 02:12:40.010 --> 02:12:44.720 GoVIP tells you how to do it. That's PWTorch.com slash govip. 2598 02:12:45.060 --> 02:12:48.789 Options exist within the Apple Podcast app using your Apple account, 2599 02:12:48.930 --> 02:12:50.850 through Patreon, which by the way, you can sync up 2600 02:12:50.890 --> 02:12:54.050 with Spotify, or just about any iOS or Android app. 2601 02:12:54.210 --> 02:12:57.050 With a full VIP membership, you can customize the feed 2602 02:12:57.090 --> 02:13:00.439 for individual shows and clusters of shows and themes. Go 2603 02:13:00.479 --> 02:13:04.119 to pwtorch.com slash govip for full details on all the 2604 02:13:04.260 --> 02:13:07.720 options to listen commercial free. And with upper tier options, 2605 02:13:08.060 --> 02:13:11.140 unlock our VIP exclusive podcasts that run throughout the week 2606 02:13:11.199 --> 02:13:11.539 every week. 2607 02:13:14.029 --> 02:13:16.949 And we're back inside the Torch Studios for our VIP 2608 02:13:17.050 --> 02:13:20.109 After Show. I am Pat McNeil, your Torch columnist. And 2609 02:13:20.149 --> 02:13:23.949 Assistant Editor James Conewell is here. James, I know you 2610 02:13:24.020 --> 02:13:25.380 and Greg are going to have a big show tomorrow. 2611 02:13:26.800 --> 02:13:27.939 We certainly will. 2612 02:13:28.229 --> 02:13:31.699 And I'm sure we'll talk about Survivor Series and Monday's rollout. 2613 02:13:31.720 --> 02:13:33.420 And all that good stuff. 2614 02:13:33.699 --> 02:13:38.119 All right. Let's see. We have some pieces of the 2615 02:13:38.180 --> 02:13:42.680 event center still to do and a few mail questions, 2616 02:13:42.720 --> 02:13:46.000 which we are going to take. Let me ask you this, 2617 02:13:46.020 --> 02:13:47.460 since we're going to talk a little bit about Ring 2618 02:13:47.500 --> 02:13:50.840 of Honor. Have you, James, seen any of the first 2619 02:13:50.880 --> 02:13:52.800 six episodes of Ring of Honor on Sinclair? 2620 02:13:54.359 --> 02:13:58.310 I've covered the first one, and I've seen, I think, 2621 02:13:58.369 --> 02:14:00.470 half of them, but I haven't seen the most recent one. 2622 02:14:02.189 --> 02:14:05.109 I'm not up to speed on the latest episode, other 2623 02:14:05.130 --> 02:14:06.210 than reading Sean's report. 2624 02:14:10.170 --> 02:14:12.069 I think it's just good to have a basic pro 2625 02:14:12.109 --> 02:14:14.600 wrestling show back on the air, because For a while, 2626 02:14:14.640 --> 02:14:21.460 we haven't had one. It's kind of interesting. 2627 02:14:21.500 --> 02:14:25.979 We've had a lot of attempts at the old-school stuff. 2628 02:14:26.699 --> 02:14:30.199 This is as straightforward as it gets. It's a complete, 2629 02:14:30.260 --> 02:14:34.939 straightforward two-match wrestling show. I think it's a good way 2630 02:14:34.960 --> 02:14:35.520 to start off. 2631 02:14:36.739 --> 02:14:39.819 This week, they actually had a three-match wrestling show. They 2632 02:14:41.489 --> 02:14:44.550 I mean, I sort of disagree with a couple of 2633 02:14:45.329 --> 02:14:48.289 our colleagues and with some people who

have criticized it elsewhere. 2634 02:14:48.310 --> 02:14:51.329 I mean, the production is not good. Let's be honest 2635 02:14:51.390 --> 02:14:54.329 about that. And it's way past time for Ring of 2636 02:14:54.369 --> 02:14:57.710 Honor to get that taken care of. But, you know, 2637 02:14:57.829 --> 02:15:01.109 in terms of building storylines, on this past weekend's episode alone, 2638 02:15:01.770 --> 02:15:04.750 you know, from what I saw, they were building the 2639 02:15:04.949 --> 02:15:08.010 Wolves versus the House of Truth. And they were building, 2640 02:15:08.029 --> 02:15:11.779 you know, for the Briscoes versus Hoff and Benjamin. And, 2641 02:15:11.800 --> 02:15:15.119 you know, Steve Carino eventually is going to go after 2642 02:15:15.140 --> 02:15:18.420 Tommaso Ciampa. And, you know, that's three matches, and that, 2643 02:15:18.439 --> 02:15:22.020 you know, that covered everything. As I said earlier, I think, 2644 02:15:22.180 --> 02:15:24.359 you know, Kevin Kelly should not be all over the show. 2645 02:15:25.100 --> 02:15:28.789 That's something that, you know, that's something that back when 2646 02:15:28.829 --> 02:15:32.069 we were doing the official Championship Pro Wrestling Internet show, 2647 02:15:32.729 --> 02:15:35.689 you know, my voice was on the show a lot 2648 02:15:35.750 --> 02:15:38.050 because we didn't really have anybody else. But, you know, 2649 02:15:38.109 --> 02:15:40.329 Ring of Honor could find somebody to host those shows. 2650 02:15:41.289 --> 02:15:43.869 Those inside Ring of Honor segments, and it wouldn't look, 2651 02:15:43.930 --> 02:15:47.649 you know. It's just Kevin Kelly overload. 2652 02:15:48.649 --> 02:15:48.930 Right. 2653 02:15:49.390 --> 02:15:51.989 He's a star of the show sometimes. It certainly feels 2654 02:15:52.029 --> 02:15:55.300 that way. The Kevin Kelly show and everybody else is just, 2655 02:15:56.300 --> 02:15:59.020 everyone else are interchangeable parts, you know. 2656 02:16:00.439 --> 02:16:02.340 Well, Kevin Kelly and Jim Cornette, but yeah. 2657 02:16:03.140 --> 02:16:03.380 Right. 2658 02:16:04.020 --> 02:16:06.020 That is kind of what it feels like. All right, 2659 02:16:06.060 --> 02:16:09.170 let's get into the... The rest of the event center, 2660 02:16:09.229 --> 02:16:12.800 which Jim didn't get to because Jimmy Ray was interested. 2661 02:16:13.460 --> 02:16:17.220 All right. Crossfire Entertainment has a big indie show this 2662 02:16:17.239 --> 02:16:20.960 Saturday in Nashville at the former TNA Asylum. The New 2663 02:16:21.000 --> 02:16:23.939 Age Outlaws will be there, featured about Stitt Finley versus 2664 02:16:24.039 --> 02:16:28.350 Al Snow and Kid Cash versus Stevie Richards. Nothing wrong 2665 02:16:28.369 --> 02:16:31.189 with that. Ring of Honor is doing another television taping 2666 02:16:31.229 --> 02:16:34.440 this Saturday at the Davis Arena in Louisville. Among the 2667 02:16:34.479 --> 02:16:37.340 matches that have been announced,

Davey Richards versus Michael Elgin 2668 02:16:37.360 --> 02:16:40.469 in a non-titled bout. And the TV title rematch, Jay 2669 02:16:40.510 --> 02:16:44.290 Lethal versus El Generico. And then Ring of Honor in Collinsville, Illinois, 2670 02:16:44.309 --> 02:16:47.870 suburban St. Louis on Sunday afternoon. Charlie Haas and Shelton 2671 02:16:47.889 --> 02:16:50.829 Benjamin defend the tag titles against Future Shock. And the 2672 02:16:50.850 --> 02:16:53.860 American Worlds take on the All-Night Express. So a busy 2673 02:16:53.899 --> 02:16:56.079 weekend for Ring of Honor. Sure is. 2674 02:16:56.450 --> 02:16:59.379 Some good matches there. And, Pat, what do you think about, 2675 02:16:59.399 --> 02:17:02.760 you know, they're coming to South Carolina and North Carolina 2676 02:17:02.780 --> 02:17:04.520 at the end of the year. They're now at some 2677 02:17:04.540 --> 02:17:07.219 main events today. You've got a big eight-man tag, a 2678 02:17:07.239 --> 02:17:10.840 20-man Royal Rumble-type match, Battle Royal. What do you make 2679 02:17:10.860 --> 02:17:12.260 of those two main events announced today? 2680 02:17:13.760 --> 02:17:16.219 Talk about that. Well, I left a note on the 2681 02:17:16.260 --> 02:17:20.840 Bruce Mitchell zone about that. I think it's interesting. They're trying. 2682 02:17:23.860 --> 02:17:27.100 very much to the old school, and having a match 2683 02:17:27.120 --> 02:17:30.430 with a two-hour time limit, I think will do it. 2684 02:17:30.500 --> 02:17:33.440 I would certainly hope that, you know, even for a 2685 02:17:33.440 --> 02:17:36.409 Survivor Series-style elimination match, that everything is wrapped up inside 2686 02:17:36.420 --> 02:17:36.850 of an hour. 2687 02:17:38.030 --> 02:17:38.190 Yes. 2688 02:17:39.389 --> 02:17:40.469 Otherwise, it's going to drag. 2689 02:17:40.690 --> 02:17:46.190 Yeah, people today, their attention spans are not as long 2690 02:17:46.250 --> 02:17:47.450 as they used to be. 2691 02:17:48.170 --> 02:17:48.350 Yes. 2692 02:17:49.670 --> 02:17:50.760 I can't... imagine why. 2693 02:17:52.579 --> 02:17:55.479 iPhone, iPad, the whole thing, yeah. 2694 02:17:55.780 --> 02:17:58.930 Okay, I do know why. I do know why, but 2695 02:17:58.969 --> 02:18:02.790 there you go. All right, and of course Monday Raw 2696 02:18:02.850 --> 02:18:06.170 from Liverpool, England, which doesn't look like it'll be a 2697 02:18:06.209 --> 02:18:09.219 super show because SmackDown's going to be in Birmingham that 2698 02:18:09.270 --> 02:18:12.750 same night. But, you know, Triple H is advertised to 2699 02:18:12.790 --> 02:18:15.889 be on the show in Liverpool, but since they're advertising 2700 02:18:15.969 --> 02:18:20.069 Evan Bourne also, I don't know that that means anything. And, 2701 02:18:20.110 --> 02:18:25.170 of course, we're scheduled for Brutus Clay to make his 2702 02:18:25.229 --> 02:18:29.000 return to the main show, and Kevin Nash will be 2703 02:18:29.030 --> 02:18:34.719 in Liverpool, which could be exciting. All right, and now 2704 02:18:34.760 --> 02:18:36.639 as a special bonus, James, it's time for Pat McNeil 2705 02:18:36.680 --> 02:18:40.030 makes fun of your iPay-per-view. Uh, let's talk about Impact 2706 02:18:40.110 --> 02:18:43.010 Zone Wrestling. They, as you know, put out three or 2707 02:18:43.069 --> 02:18:46.250 four free, you know, free IPVP reviews of their previous shows. 2708 02:18:46.770 --> 02:18:50.329 But this Saturday night, live from Watton, Oklahoma, Impact Zone 2709 02:18:50.350 --> 02:18:55.200 Wrestling presents Halloween Hangover on Go Fight Live for the low, 2710 02:18:55.219 --> 02:18:55.920 low price of $ 14. 2711 02:18:55.819 --> 02:18:55.879 95. 2712 02:18:55.860 --> 02:19:00.079 Uh, you're featured about Jermaine Johnson defends the IZW title 2713 02:19:00.280 --> 02:19:05.670 against Double D, and Brett Albright takes on Aaron Neal. And, uh, 2714 02:19:05.690 --> 02:19:08.940 the show we talked about last week, the, uh, The BOE, 2715 02:19:09.500 --> 02:19:12.840 Branded Outlaw Entertainment Show, it's up. So if you want 2716 02:19:12.860 --> 02:19:15.770 to check out that big Funaki versus Paul Birchall main 2717 02:19:15.790 --> 02:19:17.450 event for the low, low price of $ 10, go to it. 2718 02:19:18.110 --> 02:19:24.389 That's an epic wrestling right there. Plus, I have two 2719 02:19:24.430 --> 02:19:26.899 friends running any shows this Saturday. If you're in the 2720 02:19:26.940 --> 02:19:30.959 Harper's Ferry, West Virginia area, go check out Pinal Conflict Wrestling, 2721 02:19:30.979 --> 02:19:35.159 headlined by David Hart Smith versus Julio De Niro. And 2722 02:19:35.180 --> 02:19:38.020 if you're in Dillsburg, Pennsylvania, all of my former running 2723 02:19:38.079 --> 02:19:42.079 buddies will be at the Superstar Wrestling Show in Dillsburg 2724 02:19:42.120 --> 02:19:45.420 at the Fire Hall. So a lot of indie fun. 2725 02:19:45.659 --> 02:19:47.940 You know, if for some reason you're going to do that, 2726 02:19:48.040 --> 02:19:51.159 instead of watching, oh, the college football game of the century, 2727 02:19:51.200 --> 02:19:51.879 which is the Saturday. 2728 02:19:51.899 --> 02:19:52.180 Mm-hmm. 2729 02:19:53.159 --> 02:19:53.420 Yeah. 2730 02:19:54.299 --> 02:19:54.639 Mm-hmm. 2731 02:19:55.959 --> 02:20:00.020 I know. All right. Well, let's get to the mail. 2732 02:20:00.059 --> 02:20:02.399 And if we have some time, we can talk more 2733 02:20:02.440 --> 02:20:06.200 about this week's wrestling news. Listener mail for me and 2734 02:20:06.260 --> 02:20:09.870 James coming from the listener mail thread inside the Pat 2735 02:20:09.889 --> 02:20:14.409 McNeil zone inside the VIP forum. Mike Kupak of Cleveland, 2736 02:20:14.430 --> 02:20:16.950 Ohio writes, Pat, what do you think of a more 2737 02:20:17.190 --> 02:20:20.819 debilitating wrestling injury, having a broken heart or losing your smile? 2738 02:20:23.440 --> 02:20:25.420 I'm going to go with

losing your smile because I 2739 02:20:25.459 --> 02:20:28.319 don't think Triple H is out due to the broken heart. 2740 02:20:28.360 --> 02:20:30.379 I think he's out due to the sledgehammer attack by 2741 02:20:30.399 --> 02:20:30.840 Kevin Nash. 2742 02:20:32.850 --> 02:20:35.209 I thought, I mean, if you put, and it's a 2743 02:20:35.209 --> 02:20:39.450 good question from Kupac, who does the SmackDown All Perspective reviews, 2744 02:20:39.629 --> 02:20:42.809 is when you, I mean, look at those two promos 2745 02:20:42.850 --> 02:20:46.319 side by side. I mean, you've got Shawn Michaels losing 2746 02:20:46.329 --> 02:20:49.739 his smile, Triple H saying, I know this might sound corny, 2747 02:20:49.780 --> 02:20:52.959 but I have a broken heart. And he got the awe. 2748 02:20:52.979 --> 02:20:55.020 I mean, he got the awe from the crowd. 2749 02:20:55.200 --> 02:20:58.920 That has to count for something. I don't recall Michaels 2750 02:20:59.079 --> 02:21:02.450 quite getting that awe. If I remember correctly, there was 2751 02:21:02.500 --> 02:21:04.250 a little bit of that, so that's got to count. 2752 02:21:04.319 --> 02:21:05.659 But I think. 2753 02:21:05.540 --> 02:21:11.239 Triple H, his performance was more convincing than Shawn Michaels was. 2754 02:21:11.260 --> 02:21:13.459 So I think both of them have to count for more. 2755 02:21:14.260 --> 02:21:18.360 Yeah, I kind of agree with that. And in terms 2756 02:21:18.399 --> 02:21:21.979 of what Jimmy Ray was talking about, which, by the way, 2757 02:21:22.079 --> 02:21:24.889 used to be basic wrestling booking, how you sort of 2758 02:21:24.969 --> 02:21:28.270 stack your storylines so that different ones teach at different times. 2759 02:21:29.549 --> 02:21:33.450 Do you think... that the Triple H versus Kevin Nash 2760 02:21:33.489 --> 02:21:39.129 match will bypass Survivor Series and will be settled at TLC. 2761 02:21:40.489 --> 02:21:41.049 I think so. 2762 02:21:41.069 --> 02:21:45.190 Yeah, I could see that being the main event at 2763 02:21:46.299 --> 02:21:47.430 TLC in a ladder match. 2764 02:21:47.610 --> 02:21:50.200 In a please don't use tables, ladders, or chairs match. 2765 02:21:51.760 --> 02:21:54.120 Or maybe it'll be a sledgehammer match. It'll be a 2766 02:21:54.159 --> 02:21:55.840 TLCS pay-per-view. 2767 02:21:55.860 --> 02:21:56.180 I don't know. 2768 02:21:57.750 --> 02:22:00.590 No ladders, no tables, maybe a chair, maybe a chairs match. 2769 02:22:02.909 --> 02:22:06.170 I don't know. I don't see it happening in Survivor Series. 2770 02:22:06.229 --> 02:22:08.309 It would take away from The Rock's big return. Not 2771 02:22:08.770 --> 02:22:10.629 that there's a lot of juice on Nash Triple H 2772 02:22:10.629 --> 02:22:14.229 at this point, but I see that one at TLC 2773 02:22:14.489 --> 02:22:15.629 in some sort of stipulation. 2774 02:22:17.329 --> 02:22:19.469 If I were Triple H or Kevin Nash, I would 2775 02:22:19.510 --> 02:22:21.370 not want to be, you know, I would not want 2776 02:22:21.389 --> 02:22:24.030 to be on Survivor Series where I could be overshadowed 2777 02:22:24.090 --> 02:22:27.780 by everything that's going on, by the two championship matches, 2778 02:22:29.540 --> 02:22:32.920 by the Rocks return teaming with Cena, by what's probably 2779 02:22:32.940 --> 02:22:35.360 going to be the Sheamus and Randy Orton team against 2780 02:22:35.420 --> 02:22:39.219 the Christian and Cody Rhodes team in an old-fashioned Survivor 2781 02:22:39.239 --> 02:22:42.219 Series match. You know, that sort of thing. Yeah. 2782 02:22:42.719 --> 02:22:42.920 Yeah. 2783 02:22:43.139 --> 02:22:44.000 So good for TLC. 2784 02:22:44.200 --> 02:22:44.379 Yeah. 2785 02:22:45.860 --> 02:22:46.079 Okay. 2786 02:22:46.340 --> 02:22:50.700 That sounds fair. Going to the next question, Brian from D.C., a.k.a. 2787 02:22:50.719 --> 02:22:55.340 the K-Fabe Kid. What was the K-Fabe story back on 2788 02:22:55.420 --> 02:22:59.479 Lasertron from Jim Crockett Promotions in the late 1980s? I 2789 02:22:59.500 --> 02:23:01.920 know he was from outer space, but was there more? 2790 02:23:05.600 --> 02:23:10.100 That is one that I forgot. Did they ever really 2791 02:23:10.139 --> 02:23:10.760 explain that? 2792 02:23:11.700 --> 02:23:15.340 Actually, I saw this question. I went back, tried to 2793 02:23:15.360 --> 02:23:19.530 find a YouTube clip. He was called the protector of 2794 02:23:19.549 --> 02:23:23.229 the children. That was how the actors nicknamed him. So 2795 02:23:23.850 --> 02:23:25.760 I figure he was sent from outer space to– he 2796 02:23:25.770 --> 02:23:30.360 was a baby face, so to protect the children, whatever 2797 02:23:30.399 --> 02:23:35.700 that means. He had the loaded sort of Mr. Captain 2798 02:23:35.719 --> 02:23:39.350 America armbands as his finisher. So he had some sort 2799 02:23:39.370 --> 02:23:42.350 of superpower to protect the kids, I guess. I don't know. 2800 02:23:42.629 --> 02:23:46.450 Okay. Well, that makes about as much sense as anything else, 2801 02:23:46.500 --> 02:23:49.360 and I will take a look for it there as 2802 02:23:49.379 --> 02:23:52.819 we go through to this next question. Let's see. Next question. 2803 02:23:53.340 --> 02:23:56.600 What's the real story regarding Vern Gagne's non-payouts after the 2804 02:23:56.620 --> 02:23:59.940 Super Clash 3 pay-per-view? Were there really no payouts? If so, 2805 02:23:59.969 --> 02:24:02.010 did Vern hoard the money out of necessity to cover 2806 02:24:02.049 --> 02:24:05.370 costs or just out of greed? I think I'll take 2807 02:24:05.409 --> 02:24:12.670 that one. Let's see. I mean, the non-WWF promotions had 2808 02:24:12.770 --> 02:24:16.280 tried in the 80s to join forces in order to 2809 02:24:16.319 --> 02:24:21.180 head offensive land. And, frankly, it didn't work that well. 2810 02:24:22.459 --> 02:24:24.459 When you get all of these promoters who were used 2811 02:24:24.500 --> 02:24:30.579 to having their

own way, they couldn't agree on anything, 2812 02:24:30.620 --> 02:24:32.489 and they couldn't agree on money, most of all, which 2813 02:24:32.510 --> 02:24:37.129 is what caused the problems. So... So the AWA, you know, 2814 02:24:37.170 --> 02:24:41.049 set up these super-class pay-per-views for December of 1988, which, yeah, 2815 02:24:41.430 --> 02:24:43.930 this was not the AWA at its peak, needless to say. 2816 02:24:44.670 --> 02:24:44.750 No. 2817 02:24:44.889 --> 02:24:49.430 And they got world-class, which was Fritz von Erich, you know, 2818 02:24:49.450 --> 02:24:53.649 to participate. They got one of the women's groups, PAL, 2819 02:24:53.690 --> 02:24:59.020 I think it was, or, you know, P-W-O-W, and they 2820 02:24:59.040 --> 02:25:02.040 got the Continental Wrestling Association, which was Memphis, which was 2821 02:25:02.059 --> 02:25:06.459 Jerry Barrett. And they did this show in Chicago, which 2822 02:25:06.500 --> 02:25:08.860 was still part of the AWA territory, and at one 2823 02:25:08.920 --> 02:25:14.180 point was their big drawing town, and nobody came to 2824 02:25:14.239 --> 02:25:17.750 see it. This was carried by Eric versus Jerry Lawler 2825 02:25:18.309 --> 02:25:23.329 to unify the titles, the AWA and the Continental titles. 2826 02:25:23.370 --> 02:25:26.610 Nobody came to see it, and I think there was 2827 02:25:26.649 --> 02:25:30.940 somewhere under 2,000 paid. And nobody watched it. It was 2828 02:25:31.020 --> 02:25:35.059 a buy rate of 0.5, which back then was just 2829 02:25:35.440 --> 02:25:40.299 really awful. That would be like a TNA-type buy rate 2830 02:25:40.340 --> 02:25:44.549 in a WWE world. And Vern Gagnon lost a bunch 2831 02:25:44.590 --> 02:25:48.489 of money. The story supposedly was that what broke everybody 2832 02:25:48.530 --> 02:25:51.729 was he went to all the different promoters he worked 2833 02:25:51.770 --> 02:25:54.729 with and told them all different numbers for how many 2834 02:25:54.829 --> 02:25:58.459 buys there were and how much money they brought in. And, 2835 02:25:58.479 --> 02:26:01.030 you know, these guys compared notes with each other and 2836 02:26:01.069 --> 02:26:04.250 figured out that Vern had to be lying to somebody. 2837 02:26:04.270 --> 02:26:07.430 So Continental left, you know, Continental kept the belt, which 2838 02:26:07.469 --> 02:26:10.000 was on Jerry Lawler, who was their champion, and never 2839 02:26:10.059 --> 02:26:12.899 gave it back to the AWA. And, you know, world 2840 02:26:12.979 --> 02:26:15.540 class got very, you know, they ended up going under and, 2841 02:26:15.559 --> 02:26:19.020 you know, all of that. So I don't know that, 2842 02:26:19.040 --> 02:26:21.559 I don't know what the greed was, you know. I mean, 2843 02:26:21.579 --> 02:26:23.719 there's always people that are wrestling promoters about, but, you know, 2844 02:26:23.819 --> 02:26:26.479 Vern Gagnon lost a ton of money, and the AWA 2845 02:26:26.520 --> 02:26:27.979 went out

of business a couple years later. 2846 02:26:28.700 --> 02:26:28.979 Right. 2847 02:26:29.219 --> 02:26:32.540 And that's, yeah. There were really no winners coming out 2848 02:26:32.579 --> 02:26:37.059 of Super Clash except for, well, WWE. 2849 02:26:37.319 --> 02:26:37.600 Right. 2850 02:26:37.760 --> 02:26:41.420 Everybody except for the promoters here. Yeah, I mean, you said, 2851 02:26:41.459 --> 02:26:43.639 I think you covered it all, Pat. I mean, it 2852 02:26:43.659 --> 02:26:47.729 was just, you know, desperate. I think Vern was just desperate. 2853 02:26:47.389 --> 02:26:47.889 At this point. 2854 02:26:48.450 --> 02:26:48.889 Yeah. 2855 02:26:49.719 --> 02:26:52.399 He didn't know what to do. So it was just 2856 02:26:52.459 --> 02:26:53.579 a disaster waiting to happen. 2857 02:26:54.920 --> 02:26:56.520 Yeah, and well, it happened. 2858 02:26:57.340 --> 02:26:57.540 Yeah. 2859 02:27:00.540 --> 02:27:04.020 Need an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling podcasts? 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We 2870 02:27:37.090 --> 02:27:39.649 love variety and you can expect lots of it at 2871 02:27:39.670 --> 02:27:44.700 the Pro Wrestling Paradise. Detailed PWTorch VIP subscription information and 2872 02:27:44.760 --> 02:27:50.090 a list of all the VIP benefits is available at pwtorchvipinfo.com 2873 02:27:50.469 --> 02:27:54.510 and yes, all VIP podcasts are compatible with popular podcast 2874 02:27:54.629 --> 02:27:58.090 apps on iPhone and Android devices or you can stream 2875 02:27:58.110 --> 02:28:01.760 them directly from our ad-free podcast VIP mobile site. See 2876 02:28:01.799 --> 02:28:02.620 you in the paradise. 2877 02:28:02.639 --> 02:28:06.809 All right. 2878 02:28:06.870 --> 02:28:10.250 So I don't know if we've gotten, well, we got 2879 02:28:10.270 --> 02:28:14.270 your thoughts during your recap, but you know, rock gave 2880 02:28:14.329 --> 02:28:17.209 away a lot this week. I mean, yeah, I mean, 2881 02:28:17.250 --> 02:28:19.930 the three main events, the three things that should have 2882 02:28:19.950 --> 02:28:23.059 been main events on a regular show, they only needed one. 2883 02:28:23.110 --> 02:28:25.120 And the fact that the Muppets were the guest host, 2884 02:28:25.500 --> 02:28:26.540 they didn't really need. 2885 02:28:26.399 --> 02:28:27.059 A big main event. 2886 02:28:27.829 --> 02:28:28.549 Right. 2887 02:28:28.829 --> 02:28:29.090 Yeah. 2888 02:28:29.110 --> 02:28:32.159 And instead you have, you know, you give away Mark 2889 02:28:32.190 --> 02:28:34.239 Henry versus CM Punk, which you would think at some 2890 02:28:34.280 --> 02:28:37.799 point somebody would want to see. And, you know, and 2891 02:28:37.860 --> 02:28:41.540 your champion loses cleanly to the big show, who, of course, 2892 02:28:41.579 --> 02:28:45.180 is not interested in a title shot at all, because 2893 02:28:45.200 --> 02:28:48.299 he's going after Mark Henry and John Cena versus The Miz, 2894 02:28:48.340 --> 02:28:52.500 which is your WrestleMania rematch. And where Cena beats Miz 2895 02:28:52.559 --> 02:28:55.010 clean and then beats up R-Truth, proving that he doesn't 2896 02:28:55.030 --> 02:28:57.180 need a tag team partner. Right. 2897 02:28:58.200 --> 02:29:00.620 I just think I didn't get the show, Pat. You know, 2898 02:29:01.180 --> 02:29:04.649 giving away those main events you just said, and especially 2899 02:29:04.670 --> 02:29:07.610 in a show where, you know, the audience isn't going 2900 02:29:07.629 --> 02:29:10.430 to be there as much as a normal week because 2901 02:29:10.450 --> 02:29:13.750 it's Halloween and people are out, especially the kids you're targeting. 2902 02:29:13.770 --> 02:29:15.690 So you have the Muppets on there to kind of 2903 02:29:15.790 --> 02:29:18.639 try to counter that. So you don't really need to 2904 02:29:18.680 --> 02:29:20.620 go ahead and give away a bunch of big main events. 2905 02:29:20.639 --> 02:29:26.559 You know, you could put– and your second hour, and 2906 02:29:27.479 --> 02:29:30.040 take the hit, and not give away a bunch of 2907 02:29:30.059 --> 02:29:32.760 main events. I didn't get what they were trying to 2908 02:29:32.780 --> 02:29:36.360 do on Monday. It was just odd and frustrating. 2909 02:29:37.540 --> 02:29:43.450 Yeah, it was. It's their company, but there's the thing. 2910 02:29:43.469 --> 02:29:47.229 None of this is drawing ratings for them. They weren't 2911 02:29:47.250 --> 02:29:50.229 going to get that big rating no matter what they did, 2912 02:29:50.829 --> 02:29:53.889 but they just felt the need to push as hard 2913 02:29:53.930 --> 02:29:54.329 as they could. 2914 02:29:55.420 --> 02:29:55.680 Right. 2915 02:29:56.469 --> 02:29:58.110 I don't know if it was a fear of getting 2916 02:29:58.149 --> 02:30:02.389 a 2.9 instead of a 3.1. That could have been it. 2917 02:30:03.329 --> 02:30:05.950 I mean, if that was a fear, they didn't capitalize 2918 02:30:05.969 --> 02:30:08.569 because that second hour of viewership went down. I mean, 2919 02:30:08.590 --> 02:30:11.950 from what, 4.7 million to 4.4? 2920 02:30:11.930 -->

02:30:16.649 So they lost viewers anyway. I mean, I don't know. 2921 02:30:16.670 --> 02:30:17.950 I don't know if it was one of those things 2922 02:30:17.969 --> 02:30:19.309 where they were afraid of a 2.9 and they said... 2923 02:30:20.549 --> 02:30:23.129 We'll try to load this show and get a 3.1. 2924 02:30:23.129 --> 02:30:25.809 But you damage your future show as a result. I 2925 02:30:25.829 --> 02:30:26.670 just think I don't get it. 2926 02:30:26.829 --> 02:30:27.309 I didn't at all. 2927 02:30:28.389 --> 02:30:30.250 And, you know, one thing which a number of people 2928 02:30:30.270 --> 02:30:32.579 have harped upon, and I know Wade and Jason harped 2929 02:30:32.610 --> 02:30:35.059 upon yesterday, which I agree with, is why don't you 2930 02:30:35.100 --> 02:30:37.840 announce something for, you know, some sort of match for 2931 02:30:37.879 --> 02:30:41.059 next week's show? Even if what you're announcing is, you know, 2932 02:30:41.079 --> 02:30:43.780 Zack Ryder and Santino team up to battle Jack Swagger 2933 02:30:43.799 --> 02:30:45.540 and Dolph Ziggler. Just something. 2934 02:30:46.629 --> 02:30:47.950 I mean, the problem is they don't know what they're 2935 02:30:47.979 --> 02:30:48.770 going to do next week. 2936 02:30:49.479 --> 02:30:52.159 Yeah, I know that's a problem, but still. 2937 02:30:53.120 --> 02:30:55.860 Right. At least have something, you know, something in mind for, 2938 02:30:55.940 --> 02:30:58.579 you know, a big match for next week's anything, you know. 2939 02:30:58.639 --> 02:31:02.340 But another thing, too, Pat, I felt like they were 2940 02:31:02.379 --> 02:31:05.680 trying to just have that feel-good conclusion of the show, 2941 02:31:05.700 --> 02:31:10.399 you know, in between pay-per-views. Cena has a big pose 2942 02:31:10.440 --> 02:31:11.219 down in the show. 2943 02:31:11.299 --> 02:31:11.920 The Muppets do. 2944 02:31:11.879 --> 02:31:14.270 Their thing on the show. It just felt like, hey, 2945 02:31:14.280 --> 02:31:15.860 we're going to make you feel good for the show, 2946 02:31:16.379 --> 02:31:18.459 but with no eye on the ball for Survivor Series 2947 02:31:18.479 --> 02:31:21.620 or next week. So, I mean, you look at the tradeoff, 2948 02:31:21.659 --> 02:31:23.149 and I don't think that's a good tradeoff. 2949 02:31:24.489 --> 02:31:27.190 No, and I think that this promotion is being built 2950 02:31:27.229 --> 02:31:34.850 around a psychotic senior citizen and his whims, and that 2951 02:31:34.870 --> 02:31:36.110 does not add up to good business. 2952 02:31:36.909 --> 02:31:37.670 Right, right. 2953 02:31:39.010 --> 02:31:41.530 All right. At this portion, I will remind everybody that 2954 02:31:41.569 --> 02:31:44.379 this program is a copyrighted production of TDH Communications and 2955 02:31:44.399 --> 02:31:46.540 intended solely for the private use of our audience. Any 2956 02:31:46.579 --> 02:31:48.819 rebroadcast or other use of the description of events depicted 2957 02:31:48.840 --> 02:31:50.799 without the express written consent of Wade Keller and the 2958 02:31:50.819 --> 02:31:58.180 National Football League is prohibited. Prohibited. No pay-per-view this weekend, James. 2959 02:31:58.680 --> 02:32:00.850 Just impact tomorrow and smack down on Friday. 2960 02:32:02.299 --> 02:32:04.620 And a big football game on Saturday to recover from. 2961 02:32:05.000 --> 02:32:06.319 That's true. 2962 02:32:06.340 --> 02:32:08.600 That would be the weekend. That's the weekend lineup, yeah. 2963 02:32:09.440 --> 02:32:12.239 And then big football games on Sunday. But, yeah, a 2964 02:32:12.280 --> 02:32:14.479 lot of you don't care about that because you're listening 2965 02:32:14.500 --> 02:32:19.030 to hear us talk about pro wrestling. James, always a pleasure. 2966 02:32:19.129 --> 02:32:23.030 Next week on the Wednesday live cast, Gabe Sapolsky will 2967 02:32:23.049 --> 02:32:26.110 be there, Sammy Callahan of Dragon Gate will be there, 2968 02:32:26.250 --> 02:32:28.750 and pretty much everything you ever wanted to know about 2969 02:32:28.809 --> 02:32:31.899 the three– The Ring of Honor IP pay-per-view is coming 2970 02:32:31.959 --> 02:32:35.760 up a week from now that we'll be talking about. 2971 02:32:36.409 --> 02:32:38.670 And I think I know the selling point, James, which 2972 02:32:38.770 --> 02:32:41.290 is that all three of these pay-per-views combined are going 2973 02:32:41.309 --> 02:32:44.049 to cost about as much as the TNA pay-per-view that 2974 02:32:44.110 --> 02:32:50.469 is taking place on the 13th. Right. Including the fact, now, 2975 02:32:50.770 --> 02:32:53.829 does it surprise you that the Freedom Fight show, which 2976 02:32:53.889 --> 02:32:57.139 is the third one, the big New York show, is 2977 02:32:57.180 --> 02:32:58.799 going head-to-head with TNA turning points? 2978 02:32:59.899 --> 02:33:02.520 I think that we have a war on our hands, Pat. 2979 02:33:02.540 --> 02:33:05.569 I mean, we're going to see the iPay-per-view versus TNA pay-per-view. 2980 02:33:05.629 --> 02:33:07.969 I mean, obviously an Internet show is not going to 2981 02:33:08.010 --> 02:33:11.329 get anywhere near even a TNA cable show, but I 2982 02:33:11.350 --> 02:33:11.549 think we. 2983 02:33:11.530 --> 02:33:12.670 Have a war on our hands, Pat. 2984 02:33:12.709 --> 02:33:14.659 I think you need to be asking Gabe if they're 2985 02:33:14.670 --> 02:33:18.020 ready to go to war with TNA. That's a compelling question. 2986 02:33:18.760 --> 02:33:22.799 Yeah, I think they are. Otherwise, they're ready to do it. 2987 02:33:23.180 --> 02:33:23.340 Right. 2988 02:33:23.479 --> 02:33:27.829 I mean, this is not your normal, awful pay-per-view. 2989 02:33:27.870 --> 02:33:28.049 I mean. 2990 02:33:28.610 --> 02:33:30.469 It looks right now like the main event's going to 2991 02:33:30.510 --> 02:33:33.370 be AJ Styles versus Bobby Roode, which at the very 2992 02:33:33.430 --> 02:33:34.510 least is going to be a

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