Full Transcript for 5 YRS AGO DYNAMITE POST-SHOW: Cody vs. Malakai Black in main event and teasing retirement, continuation of Page-Omega, Jericho-Guerrera

Malachiel 36 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:04.480 Oh and Black's definitive win and the key corresponding crowd 37 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:07.599 reaction a growing concern for Cody at that point. Also 38 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:12.159 Chris Jericho against Hubin Tu Guerrera, Christian Cage's momentum, possible 39 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:14.680 all out opponents for the Young Bucks, and more so, 40 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:16.439 Let's get to it. This is over two hours of 41 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:19.919 analysis of a pivotal time in Dynamite history with the 42 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:23.159 crowd turning on Cody. So let's get to it. This 43 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:26.560 originally live streamed on August fourth, twenty twenty one, and 44 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:29.199 it is today's way Keller Pro Wrestling post show five 45 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:33.080 years ago Dynamite Flashback for Sunday, August second, twenty twenty six. 46 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:37.199 All right, Joel, So, overall, I think a little bit 47 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:40.759 of a filler episode of Dynamite tonight in a lot 48 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:44.000 of ways, but a couple of good matches, a solid 49 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:48.199 main event. In terms of the presentation of Malachi Black, 50 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:52.039 I'd say, but ange a strange kind of angle at 51 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:53.680 the end though, that I think is going to be 52 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:58.199 the biggest takeaway from the show. Cody teasing retirements, getting 53 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:02.159 pretty serious and believable with it, and then Malchi Black 54 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:05.919 just comes out the attacked from behind and that's the 55 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:09.240 end of that. So take that part first. I mean, 56 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:12.000 what what do you make of the that that angle 57 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:15.759 in particular? Is it just kind of hey, Cody being 58 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:18.120 Cody thing and we need this storyline to have a 59 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:21.400 little more drama and depth, so we're going to manufacture 60 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:26.560 this retirement angle or is uh? Is this something more 61 00:03:26.599 --> 00:03:27.479 serious for him. 62 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:31.120 Yeah, I mean, definitely an interesting take on this angle. 63 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:33.599 You know, to do something where you know, kind of 64 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:36.199 the old Mark Henry thing, right, but las taking off 65 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:40.400 your boots and pretending that you're about to retire. You know, 66 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:44.199 I don't think that's in Cody's future, you know, anytime soon, 67 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:45.680 in actual retirement from the ring. 68 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:48.560 I think that would be quite shocking if that happened. 69 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:49.960 But I mean the way he set it up with 70 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:52.680 the baby Face promo definitely led you to believe that, 71 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:55.400 you know, he's accomplished what he has wanted to and 72 00:03:55.520 --> 00:03:58.280 as you know, getting this company off the ground and 73 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:00.599 being one of those integral pieces and getting over a 74 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:03.159 lot of the young talent. But I think it's just 75 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:05.680 another wrinkle in this story, you know, to give something 76 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:08.120 a little bit more that you know, Malachi Black was 77 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:12.080 able to destroy him so quickly, you know, the Cody's like, man, 78 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:14.840 we finally made it, you know, here we are. You know, 79 00:04:15.719 --> 00:04:18.279 in twenty twenty one, with so many episodes of Dynamite, 80 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:20.800 nobody thought that we could make it, and here we are, 81 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:23.800 and then to see you know, him get destroyed by 82 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:26.519 one of the young talents. But the story is going 83 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:29.639 to definitely continue, you know, with Black attacking him from behind, 84 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:31.519 and so I think it just gives it a little 85 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:33.920 extra after we got to see him, you know, see 86 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:35.439 a little bit of what Black can do with a 87 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:38.920 lot of the spectacular kicks and winning in such short 88 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:40.399 fashion that I think it's just going to give a 89 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:42.199 lot more fire to the feud going forward. 90 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:45.079 Yeah, for me, I think it's very much And I 91 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:47.920 say this a lot on this show, but it's it's 92 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:49.639 in the follow up for me, because I think on 93 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:52.680 the surface, you can ask yourself a lot of questions 94 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:55.600 like I don't I don't like, you know, teasing the 95 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:59.560 retirement thing just just out of nowhere. You know, I 96 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:02.439 think this had, this feud had some legs to it, 97 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:05.560 and you know, if Cody was just going to walk away, 98 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:09.519 like what's what's Black's purpose for coming back? I mean 99 00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:11.319 like he was laying it down, fake putting the boots 100 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:14.120 in the ring. I mean, Black conceivably knew kind of 101 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:17.399 where Cody was going, So why, you know, why push him? 102 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:20.160 I think we need a we need a good some 103 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:23.120 type of messaging from from Black that kind of you know, 104 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:26.000 iterates on like why why is he continuing this on 105 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:28.439 when Cody was going to just walk off into the 106 00:05:28.439 -->

00:05:30.279 sunset anyway, and it was going to be you know, 107 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:32.680 presumably you know Black show at that point moving forward, 108 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:35.199 So I think there's some loose ends there. I also 109 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:38.360 think that the promo itself and again we're you know, 110 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:41.600 we're talking about this seven minutes after the show, so 111 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:44.399 you know, time to marinate for sure. But I thought 112 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:47.639 that like the Cody like laid it on so thick 113 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:51.519 with the retirement, Joel took a bit of the wind 114 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:54.759 out of the sails of the wind for Black because 115 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:57.959 that was an impressive showing top to bottom, and I 116 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:02.279 thought he looked great. The entrance was great, but and yeah, 117 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:05.600 he kind of got the last laugh. But I don't know, 118 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:07.879 I thought the promo really kind of distracted from the 119 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:11.680 fact that Malchi Black just decimated him in two seconds. 120 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:14.120 And you know, Cody didn't sell it all that great 121 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:16.279 because he's up on his feet, he's talking, he's you know, 122 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:20.120 he's crying. So I thought that missed for me in 123 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:21.639 terms of tone. 124 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:24.000 Yeah, I definitely can see what you're saying with that. 125 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:26.600 I mean, for me, it still worked in the fact 126 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:28.560 that they drew it back to Blackett by the end 127 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:31.199 of it. You know that they definitely Cody put him 128 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:34.639 over by getting this fantastic win, you know, in just 129 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:36.879 very surprising fashion. I mean you would think that this 130 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:38.800 match would you know, go right to the end and 131 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:41.040 then Black would win there. But then to have it, 132 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:44.120 you know end, I think with like five or five 133 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:46.040 or seven minutes before the show went off the air, 134 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:49.319 and then Cody, you know, is trying to get himself 135 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:52.639 back over by giving this babyface promo. But I think 136 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:54.519 that they you know, drew it back into Black by 137 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:56.839 the end of it, you know, with having the closing 138 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:00.279 shot on him. So it definitely wasn't all about Cody. 139 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:01.800 But I definitely can see what you're saying there. 140 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:06.839 What did you think of the presentation of Malchi Black tonight. 141 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:10.120 I thought the entrance

was super cool, like right in 142 00:07:10.199 --> 00:07:13.439 line with the character. I thought, you know, he looked 143 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:15.600 the part in the ring. I thought he worked in 144 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:18.480 a way that that was really believable. The finish of 145 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:23.839 that match with the Black mass kick was just tremendous, 146 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:27.240 like just really just spot on in terms of timing 147 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:29.399 and in terms of Cody just you know selling that 148 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:32.680 dropping down just really kind of a way to present 149 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:34.879 Black in a big time way as a as a 150 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:38.439 main events level guy. Talk about your thoughts on that 151 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:39.720 a little bit, because I thought it was a good 152 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:40.480 night for him. 153 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:42.959 Yeah, I think it really fit the moment that fans 154 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:46.120 were really looking forward to seeing, you know, this presentation 155 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:49.319 of Tommy and you know, versus you know, getting away 156 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:52.040 from the alistair Black and w WE and seeing you know, 157 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:54.920 really what what is his vision of the character, you know, 158 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:57.920 working with ae W and I think that they pulled 159 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:00.480 it off really well to be something that's something that's 160 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:03.319 very different from anything else that you're seeing on the show, 161 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:06.800 but also, like you said, a very main event type character, 162 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:09.040 you know, with the with the over the top entrance. 163 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:10.680 People were very excited to see him. 164 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:13.600 They're chanting for him during the match, you know, and 165 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:15.759 then during it. I think that's just the way Cody 166 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:17.759 sold for it. But all of his offense, you know, 167 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:22.279 really incorporating that type of MMA style with the different kicks, 168 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:25.639 the variety of you know, different submissions and stuff like that, 169 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:29.120 I think really worked well to differentiate Black and make 170 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:30.199 him come off like a star. 171 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:34.120 Yeah. Yeah, So on that note, so he got a 172 00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:39.120 pretty good reaction and Cody. There was some mixed reactions 173 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:41.120 in there from from the crowd tonight, some booze, some 174 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:43.759 some really strong cheers too, So you know, it wasn't 175 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:47.679 you know, it wasn't all bad for Cody. Can this 176 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:51.120 type of angle work, the retirement

angle if the audience 177 00:08:51.159 --> 00:08:53.919 isn't fully behind you know, the baby face, because it 178 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:56.519 just felt like there's a lot of people there wanting 179 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:59.399 to cheer Black. Did cheer Black, And you know, I 180 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:02.679 don't think his presentation. Yeah, heali is in terms of 181 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:04.440 what he did in the ring, but there's just a 182 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:06.799 cool factor to it that I think is going to 183 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:08.679 attract a lot of fans. 184 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:11.000 Yeah, definitely. 185 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:12.639 I think that there was a lot more people who 186 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:15.080 are behind Black because they wanted to, They were intrigued 187 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:17.039 by seeing, you know, what he was going. 188 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:17.480 To do here. 189 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:21.480 And Cody, while the fans have always been pretty solidly 190 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:23.919 behind him, as we're seeing with crowds coming back here, 191 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:27.200 is that there are some people who are Cody detractors 192 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:31.000 and Cody obviously is aware of that and that's why 193 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:33.639 I think he gave this promo after the match, and so, 194 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:36.399 you know, I think that it worked in this moment 195 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:38.720 but we're going to have to see kind of how 196 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:41.600 it developed in the follow up as we go from 197 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:44.399 town to town, because you know, this is what what 198 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:47.279 he called AEW's home, you know, being in Jacksonville because 199 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:49.519 they were there for so long that there's definitely a 200 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:52.600 connection with Cody, you know, sticking with him throughout the 201 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:55.399 entire pandemic. So again it's going to be in the 202 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:57.240 follow up here to see if this really does work 203 00:09:57.279 --> 00:09:57.639 for him. 204 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:00.840 Are there any other major takeaways that you had, you know, 205 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:02.799 from the from the angle at the end, in terms 206 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:04.320 of anything that stood out in terms of, hey, I 207 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:06.519 think they're they're going this direction or that direction. I'm 208 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:09.039 sure we'll talk all about the angle, you know, in 209 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:11.840 the match itself with some callers, but just high level Joel. 210 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:14.840 Anything else that stood out in terms of that, either 211 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:17.519 on the Cody side or the Malachi black side. 212 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:20.399 Well, I mean, Black is is going to be presented 213 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:22.159

as a heel, but I think that as he goes 214 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:24.279 around to different talents that I think he's going to 215 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:27.000 get huge babyface reactions, you know, I think he's he 216 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:29.399 falls more in line with being that kind of cool heel, 217 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:32.399 you know, with the cool entrance and wearing it, wearing 218 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:35.080 the black that I think fans are going to get 219 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:37.039 behind him pretty quickly. So I think that they're going 220 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:39.600 to have to find a way to make him more 221 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:42.720 into a heel beyond just you know, surprise attacks from behind. 222 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:45.759 Yeah, yeah, I agree, I definitely agree with that they're 223 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:48.919 gonna have, especially if they're going to like really still 224 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:51.399 stick with Cody as a babyface, you know, they're going 225 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:53.440 to have to find ways to try to to try 226 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:55.639 to get that negative reaction. And I think, I don't know, 227 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:57.080 I think in a lot of ways they might be 228 00:10:57.279 --> 00:10:59.919 you know, swimming upstream on that just because of the, 229 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:02.240 like you said, the cool factor of Black and the 230 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:05.519 fact that, for whatever reason, you know, the Cody kind 231 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:09.639 of shine is fading a bit. But we'll see, because 232 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:12.679 you said, the hop in town to town is a 233 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:16.039 significant factor here, and you've got you know, live audiences 234 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:19.399 that haven't seen these guys in such a long time, 235 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:23.480 you know, And so that could freshen up a Cody 236 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:26.200 pop very easily. And yeah, it'll have the same effect 237 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:28.600 on Black too. But at least you're not totally swimming 238 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:31.519 against the against the tide in terms of how you're 239 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:32.960 trying to present Cody, so we'll. 240 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:36.039 Have to see. Yeah, absolutely, it's it's going to be 241 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:38.759 interesting to see how this turns out because there's been 242 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:41.919 signs of Cody, you know, his star power not being 243 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:43.679 as strong as it was. But like we said, it's 244 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:46.240 in Jacksonville where they've been running that market for you know, 245 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:49.200 who knows how many weeks. Now, you know they've been 246 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:50.840 on the road for a little bit, but coming back 247 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:53.679 there so quickly, you know, they're definitely going to be 248 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:54.879 more excited for the newcomer. 249 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:58.080 Yeah, yep, all right, Well, let's pause there for a 250 00:11:58.120 --> 00:11:59.759 second and set the table for the show. We're going 251 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:02.600 to be taking calls. We should have an on site 252 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:04.679 correspondent who was in the building tonight that can help 253 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:07.240 us kind of answer some of these questions about the 254 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:11.279 reaction to Black and Cody and everything else that happened. 255 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:14.039 But this is the way Keller Pro Wrestling post show 256 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:17.480 covering the August fourth, twenty twenty one edition of aw 257 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:20.879 Dynamites on PW torchs assistant editors zat Cadorin, I'm filling 258 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:23.200 in for Wade tonight's Wade is going to be on 259 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:24.919 the VIP side of things. 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Glad 270 00:12:58.200 --> 00:12:59.159 to have you on the show tonight. 271 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:02.360 Yeah, Szech, I'm really appreciate you having me on right now. 272 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:04.960 I'm going through a move, so I haven't been able 273 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:07.679 to do a little do some podcasting lately because I'm 274 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:09.879 trying to. I packed up all my podcast equipment and 275 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:12.519 now today I finally got all set up here in 276 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:13.519 one of our guest rooms. 277 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:14.720 So I'm glad to be on with. 278 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:19.240 You dusting off the old podcast here. I love it absolutely, 279 00:13:19.720 --> 00:13:24.120 I love it, yes, and I mean moves are never fun, man, 280 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:26.039 So you know we're all thinking of you. 281 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:29.759 It's a very it's been a very stressful situation. 282 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:31.639 But I'm glad we've gotten all most of our stuff 283 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:33.960 set up here, so there's there's still a lot to 284 00:13:34.000 -->

00:13:35.200 be put away, but you know. 285 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:37.679 I feel like the big bulk of it is done now. 286 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:40.519 Good. You're gonna have that one box that stays unpacked 287 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:42.879 for like five years. You know, there's gonna be. 288 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:44.879 Quite a few of those. There's gonna be quite a 289 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:45.399 few of those. 290 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:49.879 Yes, yes, for sure, for sure. Uh, let's open up 291 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:52.159 the phone lines man three four seven, two one, five 292 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:55.200 eight five five eight three four seven two one five eight, 293 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:58.440 five five eighth press one. If you guys are in 294 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:00.039 the queue right now and you want to get on 295 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:02.960 on the show to give us your thoughts again, that's 296 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:05.399 three four seven, two one, five eight five five eights. 297 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:08.519 We're filling up with call so this this should be fun. 298 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:11.440 Uh again, If you don't want to talk to us tonight, 299 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:13.960 you can drop us an email Wade Killer Podcast at 300 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:18.679 gmail dot com. That's Wade Killer Podcast at gmail dot com. 301 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:21.279 We'll get to that mail bag a little bit later. 302 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:24.120 But Joel, you know we have our on site correspondent 303 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:26.759 up first and right out of the gates. So he's 304 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:28.799 he's in the building, I think, So we'll go ahead 305 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:33.320 and uh and take this call. Grant is is that you? 306 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:35.399 Ye? 307 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:39.840 Great? Great to talk to you man. Welcome, Welcome to 308 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:41.399 the Welcome to the show. Yeah we can hear it. 309 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:42.320 Can you hear us? 310 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:43.679 Oh? 311 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:43.960 Yeah? 312 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:44.240 Here? 313 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:48.559 It was okay, a lot going on breaking down here at. 314 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:53.919 No no, no problem, no problem. Oh you're still in 315 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:54.679 the building, right. 316 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:58.799 Yeah, excellent. 317 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:01.919 Well give us give us a kind of a taste 318 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:04.399 of the vibe in the buildings. Was it a was 319 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:06.360 it a sellout top to bottom? Do you feel the 320 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:07.399 building was was full? 321 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:13.000 Well? I don't think they made all the seats in 322 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:17.440 the building availapment about it, like just going by first glass. 323 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:20.759 So for what was available, I say it was probably 324 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:22.120 like ninety percent. 325 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:25.639 For okay, and then and what what was kind of 326 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:28.320 the crowd like it? They seemed pretty pretty hot, you 327 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.159 know on TV. But were they kind of in tune 328 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:33.360 with what was happening and excited to be there for. 329 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:36.519 The most part, Yeah, they were pretty They were pretty 330 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:41.919 pretty hot for everything pretty much. Even I got here 331 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:43.600 a little early and I was able to catch some 332 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:47.120 of the elevation taping and like probably one of the 333 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:50.120 biggest tops of the whole night was the Lucia Bros. 334 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:53.120 And that was before where the main card started. 335 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:57.559 Wow wow interesting? Uh was that the biggest pop of 336 00:15:57.600 --> 00:15:59.039 the night or that did something else? 337 00:15:59.080 --> 00:16:06.399 Trumpet that probably might have been decant If I would 338 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:11.600 have to say first, I would say, uh, I mean, 339 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:16.519 Malachi Black got a really really big reaction, which you know, 340 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:19.399 I mean, and you kind of a sense that in 341 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:21.480 the building that you hear murmurs in the crowd, like 342 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:24.120 a lot of people just felt like he was done 343 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:26.799 pretty bad at w W, so like it was a 344 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:28.879 lot of it was a lot of that kind of support. 345 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:33.919 But I think probably the biggest top was Moxley and Kingston. 346 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:39.519 Yeah yeah, interesting, Joel, Uh throw a couple of questions 347 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:40.600 at uh at Grant. 348 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:43.759 Yeah, so Grant, let's say, on that topic of Cody 349 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:46.360 Rhodes versus Malachite Black, what was the reaction like for 350 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:48.919 Cody Rhoades, I mean, was it was it a strong 351 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:50.039 DV face reaction? 352 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:51.679 Were there people rejecting him? 353 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:51.919 You know? 354 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:55.279 What was the feeling throughout for him? 355 00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:59.480 I think it was me You had a lot of 356 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:04.440 you had, like I said, a lot of black support, 357 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:08.559 and so kind of because of that, then you saw 358 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:11.279 a lot of the Cody uh you know, you heard 359 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:12.960 a couple of Cody boolls. But it was it was 360 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:14.240 it was a mixed reaction. 361 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:16.799 Though, and Grant, was that because like they were more 362 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:22.759 in

supportive Malachite or Black or was it because there 363 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:27.640 was it more because they were in supportive Malachi Black? 364 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:31.440 Or were they outright just rejecting Cody. 365 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:34.519 No, it wasn't like an outright rejection of Cody, because 366 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:37.519 you still had a lot of cheers, like a whole lot, 367 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:41.279 but it just was it wasn't that big, over the 368 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:45.440 top like fool of support like he had in the past. 369 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:47.039 I think, like I said, I think it was more 370 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:51.640 so opponent than anything, because as soon as Malaki went 371 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:53.519 to the back and was out the picture when Cody 372 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:57.599 was doing his his speech, he was he had full 373 00:17:57.599 --> 00:17:59.119 of support. So like I said, I think it was 374 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:01.359 more so people being I'm black and not Indians. 375 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:01.759 Cody. 376 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:08.559 Sure your time is valuable. Go vip and listen to 377 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:12.640 our show's commercial free a nice streamline listening experience. Pw 378 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:15.799 Torch dot com slash go vip for full details on 379 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:19.079 a commercial free listening experience, and with a full VIP membership, 380 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:22.240 you can create custom feeds for individual shows or groups 381 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:25.200 of shows by theme, and also unlock nearly four decades 382 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:28.720 of archives and access our ad free website with VIP 383 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:32.519 exclusive content. Pw torch dot com slash go VIP. Your 384 00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:34.200 time is valuable, and that's one of the reasons we 385 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:37.920 offer v IP membership pw torch dot com slash go VIP. 386 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:46.880 Was uh you were there was the audience buying kind 387 00:18:46.920 --> 00:18:49.720 of the Cody retirement, Like were they kind of hooked? 388 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:51.160 Did he did he have you guys for the most 389 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:54.000 part thinking that, hey, this is gonna actually be a 390 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:55.799 retirement for him, or did you guys kind of see 391 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:57.519 through what it ended up being. 392 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:03.200 People thought that he was serious, you know, for the 393 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:05.160 most part, everybody knew like, you know, he got a 394 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:06.920 new kid. People thought to figure, like, Okay, well he 395 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:08.920 is take some time off and you know, and then 396 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:11.119 come back sometime later. So that's what you heard a 397 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:14.240 lot of. So that's why most people were buying into it. 398 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:17.480 So when when Black interrupted, it was it was a 399 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:18.480 little bit of a surprise. 400 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:23.759 Interesting. Interesting, let's let's pivot a little bit out of 401 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:26.920 the Cody stuff, and and what about Adam Page. So 402 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:31.440 the on television we just got they came out of 403 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:34.200 a commercial break and Page was in the race, so 404 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:37.440 we didn't get the full on you know, Page entrance. 405 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:40.200 What was the reaction to him in the building. 406 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:45.200 In the building, Page was like when he first came 407 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:48.319 on the screen with the dark order like you, he 408 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:54.119 got a really really good reason. Uh so when and 409 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:56.119 then people didn't think we were going to see him again. 410 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:59.039 So then when they announced that he was actually about 411 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:01.720 to come out, got a really really big pop with 412 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:05.599 his music hit and and him and Tony were already 413 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:07.160 in the ring. And I guess that's when when you 414 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:08.640 are were able to. 415 00:20:09.680 --> 00:20:13.759 Pick up Okay, okay, So so I mean would you 416 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:16.440 but he was he like on par with like Moxley 417 00:20:16.720 --> 00:20:20.440 in Kingston and Darby or was he significantly less than 418 00:20:20.680 --> 00:20:21.000 than that? 419 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:26.680 I wouldn't say significantly less if I will have to 420 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:30.839 say he probably got like the fourth biggest reaction behind Moxley, 421 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:33.039 Leacher Bros. And Black. 422 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:38.200 Okay, okay, interesting, how about for the elite? You know, 423 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:42.720 they got some very audible negative reactions in Booze You know, uh, 424 00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:46.559 you could tell on television, but so they seemed, you know, 425 00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:49.240 pretty over in terms of heels, but but talk through 426 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:51.519 Kenny Omega, the Young Bucks and and that crew. 427 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:57.359 Yeah, it was pretty much what you all heard is 428 00:20:57.359 --> 00:20:59.960 exactly what it was. It was pretty much all booze. 429 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:04.279 They're definitely doing a good job getting heat, that's for sure, 430 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:08.599 and that's coming for me, who was probably I'm probably 431 00:21:08.599 --> 00:21:10.640 one of the biggest Young Bucks fans you will find. 432 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:15.400 I've been following them since they were generation me. So yeah, 433 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:17.680 it was definitely definitely audible. 434 00:21:18.279 -->

00:21:23.440 Booz does did Kenny o'maga seem to have the like 435 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:26.359 the aura of a of a world champion walking out there? 436 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:28.799 Did you know, did he seem and come across as 437 00:21:28.839 --> 00:21:31.319 a as a big time championship heels star. 438 00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:37.000 Yeah. I think if you were to be someone who 439 00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:41.759 weren't familiar with the product and you seen like that 440 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:44.799 interest of him coming out with Matt Nick and the 441 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:47.640 rest of the league, I think you would definitely pick 442 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:49.920 up on that like, Okay, this is the main guy, 443 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:52.559 this supposed to be the biggest star. I think he 444 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:54.559 gave off that vibe and especially once he got on 445 00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:54.960 the mic. 446 00:21:56.519 --> 00:21:59.279 Yeah, yeah, Joel back to you for a couple more. 447 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:02.319 Yeah, So, Grant, what was the feeling in the crowd 448 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:05.279 when they announced that Christian was the number one contender 449 00:22:05.319 --> 00:22:06.799 for the ae W Championship. 450 00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:11.680 To be honest, I was shocked. It was pretty positive. 451 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:16.359 It was they more positive than I then I would 452 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:18.599 have thought it was being But I think it was 453 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:23.119 more so because they built Christian slowly instead of just 454 00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:27.039 throwing them straight into the number one contender spot. So 455 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:30.640 I think it was It was pretty positive for the 456 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:31.359 most part. 457 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:39.480 Sure, Okay, and then and I think go ahead, go ahead. 458 00:22:39.519 --> 00:22:41.480 Oh, I was saying. I think that was more so 459 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:44.599 because they did run the angle with Hangman, so like 460 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:49.279 people more were more so at ease, like they were 461 00:22:49.279 --> 00:22:51.359 going to get back to the Hangman story with with 462 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:54.200 Kenny and not just move him completely out that spot, 463 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:57.799 because I think maybe if it was just over a 464 00:22:57.839 --> 00:23:00.680 Hangman was moving on, I think his reaction might have 465 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:01.519 been a little different. 466 00:23:04.359 --> 00:23:04.680 Sure. 467 00:23:04.759 --> 00:23:07.480 Yeah, they didn't definitively say that this was like the 468 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:10.519 all out main events. They were saying that he's just 469 00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:13.039 the number one contender. Stuff could happen, you know, any 470 00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:14.559 of the next couple of weeks. It could be at 471 00:23:14.599 --> 00:23:17.400 Rampage or any time coming up soon. So the other 472 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:19.119 one I wanted to ask you about, Frant was that 473 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:23.519 on TV, Lee Johnson got a huge reaction from the 474 00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:26.279 crowd along with the euro We talked a little bit 475 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:28.799 about that and the crowd's investment to that match. 476 00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:34.759 Yeah, yeah, Lee definitely got a good reaction I think. 477 00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:36.960 I mean from where I was at, I was probably 478 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:39.759 in like third row, right next to the to the 479 00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:42.880 interest rate, like the vibe, I was getting this like 480 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:47.839 people were giving Nero like that big star reaction. But 481 00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:51.279 Lee definitely definitely got a whole lot of cheers, and 482 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:56.079 it was for somebody who they're building. I think it's 483 00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:59.279 a good sign for them. I mean it's another young star. 484 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:05.319 Aw other enough like they got a bright future, good 485 00:24:05.319 --> 00:24:05.759 deal man. 486 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:10.160 Yeah, talk about Jericho for a bit. He opened the show, 487 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:13.400 so it sounded like obviously like people were firmly behind him. 488 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:16.319 The match was a little clunky at the beginning, but 489 00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:18.119 did everybody come around. 490 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:25.319 Yeah, yeah, Jericho super over, especially first person you're seeing 491 00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:30.480 seeing come out. I think the crowd even like the 492 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:32.680 Keys because it was a nice mixture of people. 493 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:32.960 Winner. 494 00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:39.839 I think a lot of them really appreciated Hoovi, so 495 00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:43.359 so the match itself got over. So even the clunky moments, 496 00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:46.279 I think people were more inclined to forgive them because 497 00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:49.359 I think people were kind of feel like, okay, well 498 00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:52.160 they weren't treating them like like they were two old guys. 499 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:54.240 They were treating them like they were big stars and 500 00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:57.079 you know, nostalgia acts. But you know, people still were 501 00:24:57.119 --> 00:24:59.599 giving them like like giving them a pass, like, okay, 502 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:01.599 you know they a little older, so the work might 503 00:25:01.599 --> 00:25:04.240 not be as Christmas you know it was when they 504 00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:06.079 were on Nitro twenty years ago? 505 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:11.000 Right, what was uh if if you had to like 506 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:14.359 speak on behalf of the crowd, what what what was over? 507 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:17.200 As like the match of the night.

508 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:22.000 Let's see the match and then I would have to 509 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:25.559 say the sixth Man. Okay, the sixth Man with Mockley, 510 00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:30.160 and they were probably already in the ring when you 511 00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:34.920 got it on TV. But the former ever Ride thing 512 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:38.119 that was on nx T, they got a decent reaction. 513 00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:42.400 Wow, all right, cool man man. 514 00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:48.119 The sixth Man probably went over the Okay, where. 515 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:50.039 Were you sitting? Just to give a perspective of kind 516 00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:53.960 of where you saw everything from. 517 00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:59.480 I was in the third row, to see from the ramp. 518 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:02.799 I was right next to the entrance rout. Oh wow, 519 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:05.000 So I was like directly in front of the Yeah, 520 00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:07.680 I was like directly in front of the ring pretty much. 521 00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:12.400 That's great. Uh cool, Wen, Well, appreciate the call, granted 522 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:15.680 anything anything else that you you had in your notes 523 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.319 in terms of stuff that maybe happened, you know, before 524 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:22.240 or after the show, or just something memorable, just kind 525 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:22.920 of keep it open to you. 526 00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:29.000 I know one thing that I that I definitely did, 527 00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:32.640 Like so for those the ticket there right there in 528 00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:37.079 the third row, like that close w W was just 529 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:39.720 in the timeline. I'm from the trade, but I traveled 530 00:26:39.759 --> 00:26:41.119 down here, but they were just in time for a 531 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:44.839 house show. Tickets for that exact same basic seat pretty 532 00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:49.359 much was like three seventy five, but a W they 533 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:51.839 made it really reasonable. I was that close for like 534 00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:54.880 one hundred bucks. So that's one thing they definitely got 535 00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:57.920 working in their favor. There's like price point. 536 00:26:58.079 --> 00:26:58.599 And then. 537 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:04.279 So what else did I got wrote down? Oh, merch 538 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:07.799 I looked at them the merch stand. It was it 539 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.359 was a little light. I was surprised, but it was 540 00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:16.279 a lot of a W branded merchandise. The only things 541 00:27:16.279 --> 00:27:18.519 that really stuck out. They had a lot of action figures. 542 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:22.920 As far as shirts, Cody and Malachot black was the 543 00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:24.319 only thing that I really noticed. 544 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.279 Okay, cool? What what what were people wearing in the building? 545 00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:31.160 Could you could you get a sense of that? Like, 546 00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:34.799 was was there a shirt that you saw more than 547 00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:35.920 than others? 548 00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:41.720 Let's see what I saw more than others. I think 549 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:43.759 I saw, Like I said, it was a lot of 550 00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:48.200 just the playing a W branded uh merch and then 551 00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:51.880 it was a lot of a lot of the Bullet 552 00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:56.680 Club shirts. I think what ship that I see? It 553 00:27:56.759 --> 00:28:00.240 was a few Cody shirts, uh not? You know, like 554 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:04.920 you know, you will go to a l show and 555 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:07.960 you'll see like a mixture of all the school shirts stuff. 556 00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:08.799 Stuff like that. 557 00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:10.519 It wasn't a lot of that. It was more so 558 00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:13.240 all the current wrestlers as on the ad W roster. 559 00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:15.119 Oh I saw a lot of Derby shirts. I did 560 00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:16.720 see a lot of Derby shirts. 561 00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:21.200 Okay, all right, great well Grant, thanks thanks for the time. 562 00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:21.440 Man. 563 00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:24.000 I know, uh you're you're you're at the building still 564 00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:27.000 so want to let you go, but certainly appreciate uh 565 00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:29.519 you kind of pulling in and and kind of be 566 00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:30.599 in the voice of the room tonight. 567 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:35.519 Thank you, no problem. I appreciate everybody. 568 00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:36.200 Go vi I P. 569 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:42.640 Thank you Grant, Safe travels home, PW torch dot com 570 00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:46.200 slash go vi I P takes take uh take Grant's advice. 571 00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:49.440 You won't you won't be disappointed. PW torch dot com 572 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:52.559 slash go vi I p uh three four seven, two 573 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:55.200 one five eight, five five eighths three four seven, two 574 00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:57.720 one five eight five five eights. If you want to 575 00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:00.480 get on the calls here, which we will start right now, 576 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:03.400 We've got a lot a lot of callers in the queue, 577 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:05.200 which is great, so I want to try to make 578 00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:07.559 sure we can get everybody. So try to keep your 579 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:09.960 points to one or two so that we can make 580 00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:13.160 sure to squeeze everybody in tonight on what was turned 581 00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:15.359 out to be a really kind of busy night with 582 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:17.920 with a lot of talking points. So we'll start off 583 00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:20.720 with four one oh four one, Oh,

you're up next, 584 00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:24.799 four and oh stay to name and where you're calling from. 585 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:27.279 Hey, Zach and Joel, how are you? 586 00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:29.880 This is Reverend Keith from Baltimore, Maryland. 587 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:32.680 Reverend Keith, great to talk to you, my friend. What'd 588 00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:33.839 you think of Dynamite tonight. 589 00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:36.759 I thought it was a very good show. 590 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:39.440 I really did, from top to bottom. I'm glad that 591 00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:43.720 they began with the Jericho Hoovi match, and I was 592 00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:46.440 reading and doing some research and found out that was 593 00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:49.680 their first in counter since nineteen ninety nine, those old 594 00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:50.759 Nitel days. 595 00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:52.839 And hoo, he looks good. 596 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:55.400 I mean, you know he can still bring it because 597 00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:57.759 I know he wrestles from time to time on the 598 00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:01.839 independent scene. I thought he looked quite well out there. 599 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.799 You know, you know how who he is. But anyway, 600 00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:07.880 I just want to mention a few things and then 601 00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:10.079 I'm gonna let you guys discuss it and make way 602 00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:14.920 for the callers. Now, it's obvious that, you know, with 603 00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:22.680 this five labors situation with Jericho being brought on by MJF, 604 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:26.000 I think that they're building to of course, Jericho's gonna 605 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:28.960 win them all and then lose it all out to MJF. 606 00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:32.039 That's what I'm thinking to keep the few going now. 607 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:39.079 I really like how they get giving Jericho like an 608 00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:41.680 easy one, then they give him, you know, like a 609 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:43.680 tough one like next week. I think it's gonna be 610 00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:47.519 very tough because Woolow has gotten so much better over 611 00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:51.000 the past year, and with MJF and his corner as 612 00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:53.000 a referee, might as well say he's gonna be in 613 00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:55.559 his back pocket. That's gonna make it even tougher. So 614 00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:58.880 that's gonna be like a two on one situation right there, 615 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:01.640 So it's going to be even tougher. It's gonna be 616 00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:05.960 a much tougher situation than it was against Hoovie tonight. 617 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:11.440 And then secondly, and my final point is this, it's 618 00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:14.920 good to see Red Velvet stepping up to Doctor Britt 619 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.079 Baker D and D. However, I think that she's gonna 620 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:24.400 be used as Stephen Stone for either thunder Rosa coming 621 00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:28.279 out to challenge the Doctor at all out. 622 00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:28.920 Or someone else. 623 00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:32.119 I'm thinking they may go towards thunder Rosa since they 624 00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:36.039 built up her signing so well, and she is just 625 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:38.319 so popular right now in the indie scene, and you know, 626 00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:42.000 she runs her own shows through Mission Pro Wrestling. So 627 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:44.880 I wanted to mention that that I really like what 628 00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:48.519 they doing with the five labor situation with Jericho, and 629 00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:52.519 also I think that they are setting up Doctor Britt 630 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:55.519 Baker D m D with a few with thunder Rosa, 631 00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:58.440 which they had earlier in the year, but no titles 632 00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:01.079 were involved back then, and you know how vicious that 633 00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:01.759 match was. 634 00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:04.240 That was a hardcore match, So I would like to 635 00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:05.400 see those two go at it. 636 00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:09.200 So let me know your thoughts on my opinions and 637 00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:12.000 thoughts on the show tonight. And the guy Graham, I 638 00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:14.839 commend him. I thought he was excellent as an on 639 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:18.880 site correspondence. And I noticed that everything he was mentioning 640 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:23.160 about the XWWE guys, that they were gonner and sympathy 641 00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:25.799 from the crowd. And that's good because many of them 642 00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:28.759 were you know, they were sent packing and it wasn't right. 643 00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:30.400 So thank you for taking my call. 644 00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:31.759 Guys, have a wonderful night. 645 00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:38.559 Hey everyone, longtime PW George Commas Sean radikin here to 646 00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:41.799 let you know I've rebamped and renewed the Eradicant Worldwide 647 00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:46.559 podcast for twenty twenty six, a weekly VIP exclusive. Every week, 648 00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:49.039 I break down four or five of the biggest trending 649 00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:53.079 topics in pro wrestling. I also present my analysis, providing 650 00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:55.960 insight that helps you understand the story better or see 651 00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:59.000 it another way. Then maybe is the controversial takeout there? 652 00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:01.400 Then I bring on a special guest for the second 653 00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:04.480 half of the podcast. Sometimes it's a wrestler or someone 654 00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:06.799 else who works in the business. Other times it's a 655 00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:09.920 guest analyst who brings their

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I'll bring 663 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:33.079 my decades of studying this industry and talking one on 664 00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:36.599 one with dozens of wrestling promoters to each week's show 665 00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:40.000 so you understand not just what's happening, but the context 666 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:42.680 of why get ahead of the news, get ahead of 667 00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:47.200 the pack with racking worldwide only at PW Torch VIP. 668 00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:56.400 Thanks Githas great to hear from you and great points 669 00:33:56.440 --> 00:34:01.000 and yes, Grant was fantastic. Yeah, let's start with the 670 00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:03.599 five Labors of Jericho thing, Joel, because I think that's 671 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:08.679 a smart topic and just an important one kind of 672 00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:12.159 given where everything's going directionally as we head into to 673 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:16.000 all out. I off the bat, I thought I didn't 674 00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:18.719 know how well this was going to get over just 675 00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:21.599 because of how just definitive it was in terms of 676 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:23.880 we know how the story is going to play out. 677 00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:25.440 I think for the most part that Jericho is going 678 00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:27.840 to make his way through and then face MJF. I 679 00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:30.679 thought that was so much a certainty that it would 680 00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:33.360 be hard for them to build any kind of drama 681 00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:36.760 around around these matches, and they've done a nice job. 682 00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:39.000 I think the fresh talent that they've brought into face 683 00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:41.880 Jericho has been helpful. You know, the Nick Gage thing 684 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.119 obviously lent you know itself really a ton of intrigue, 685 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:47.760 so that type of thing has helped a lot. I 686 00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:50.320 still think they're on the road to you know, Jericho 687 00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:54.079 making it and getting his match with MJF. But I thought, 688 00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:57.960 I think overall, they've they've built this in a good way. 689 00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:00.719 It's not like too cute, it's pretty straight forward, and 690 00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:03.840 the crowd is behind it, which ultimately is the kind 691 00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:04.599 of the final grade. 692 00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:08.000 Yeah, I mean, definitely, the crowd has been into this 693 00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:10.239 and it's been a fun thing to watch, you know, 694 00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:12.400 week to week with a lot of different names that 695 00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:15.639 they've been pulling out here, with Nick Gage obviously somebody 696 00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:17.800 that I don't think anybody was really expecting to see that, 697 00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:20.559 and then Hubutu Guerrera, you know, going for more of 698 00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:23.320 a nostalgic match, and this match tonight, you know, it 699 00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:26.400 was a very clunky to start. I was very unsure 700 00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:29.960 about it with a lot of her karanas, I'm like, oh, man, 701 00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:32.119 is someone going to get injured in this match? But 702 00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:35.280 you know, I thought they actually recovered well and turning 703 00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:37.880 it into something that was fun with a cool, you know, 704 00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:40.440 flying judas effect to end the match. But one of 705 00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:42.840 the things I was kind of confused about is I'm 706 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.519 not sure if MJF mis spoke about it, but it 707 00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:48.000 sounded like he was saying that, you know, Wardlow was 708 00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:49.280 his next task and then. 709 00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:52.800 The fifth chapter would be against MJF himself. 710 00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:54.960 But I guess my understanding was that there would be 711 00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:59.199 five different opponents before he got to MJF, so that 712 00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:03.039 now is is a little unclear to me. And then also, 713 00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:05.679 you know, having MJF as the referee, I mean that's 714 00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:08.119 what they said before. And then you know, Jim Ross 715 00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:11.079 was saying that MJF would be in his corner, you know, 716 00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:13.199 instead of being as the referee, and so there was 717 00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:15.519 just a little bit of confusion there. But I think 718 00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:17.840 that overall it's been it's been a nice thing to 719 00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:20.760 have different opponents. But I think that fans, you know, 720 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:23.159 especially what I saw on Twitter, was that people were 721 00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:25.960 a little disappointed that they didn't go to for the 722 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:28.719 fourth chapter somebody who was also outside the company. I 723 00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:31.480 think people were really looking forward to, you know, aw 724 00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:34.599 bringing in different names that they weren't expecting. But I 725 00:36:34.639 -->

00:36:37.360 think that Wardlow is somebody who makes a lot of sense, 726 00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:39.400 you know that they've been building him up as this 727 00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:41.519 big monster. Now he's going to have this big match 728 00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:45.400 against Jericho with the odds really stacked against him, you know, 729 00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:48.639 going against Wardlow and then having m JF you know, 730 00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:51.159 also going to play a big factor into that. So 731 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:54.280 I think that you know, it's really making it look like, oh, 732 00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:56.719 Jericho is not is not just going to so easily 733 00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:59.119 slide into this. So I would assume there's gonna be 734 00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.599 uh agains and some you know, some referee bumps with 735 00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:04.039 MJF going down and. 736 00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:05.639 A lot more to play out next week. 737 00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:09.360 Yeah, they need to put out some sort of social 738 00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:12.800 media post or news update saying exactly, you know, what's 739 00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:15.760 what's supposed to happen, you know, now moving forward, like 740 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:18.840 because I thought the five Labors at Jericho thing was 741 00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:21.960 always muddy in terms of is the fifth one m 742 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.320 JF or is it or is it not? And and 743 00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:28.599 and I walk out of this show today still confused 744 00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:31.559 as to whether or not that's that's that's the situation. 745 00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:33.960 So yeah, I don't know if if m JF misspoke. 746 00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:36.199 I I was like you, I thought that, you know, 747 00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:39.480 m JF would be the guy that faces Jericho after 748 00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:44.360 he completes the five the five match series. And then yeah, 749 00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:47.400 they they kind of were inconsistent with what they said 750 00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:52.159 mjf's role would be, uh next week in terms they 751 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:55.599 said his corner right to start things off, and the 752 00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:57.239 n j R said referee. 753 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:01.199 Yeah. I thought I thought they started off by saying 754 00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:03.440 referee in it. I thought that's what MJF said. 755 00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:05.679 And then when they went to the graphic, then they 756 00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:07.679 said MJF would just be in his corner. 757 00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:11.480 So it's still either way. It's confusing because they said 758 00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:12.079 it both ways. 759 00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, so they I mean they should just 760 00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:18.039 button up on that so people know what to expect, 761 00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:21.039 because I think it's a lot different

watching you know, 762 00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:24.679 Jericho versus ward Low in this fourth labor of Jericho, 763 00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:28.119 knowing that there's a fifth you know coming or not. 764 00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:30.559 I think that'll that changes kind of the perception of 765 00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:34.719 this Wardlow match because it's you know, it not being 766 00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:37.039 the final match. I think would play better, you know, 767 00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:39.400 if everybody has the idea behind them that okay, we 768 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:42.960 could have one more special appearance by somebody after this, 769 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:46.599 I think that helps kind of just the perception. But 770 00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:49.920 I don't I don't hate the Wardlow idea either. I 771 00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:51.760 mean I think you have to you have to go 772 00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:55.360 there with this, you know. So I mean he's a 773 00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:59.960 guy that clearly Aw's working to slowly get into higher position, 774 00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:02.400 is on the card. He's clearly a project that's been 775 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:06.079 involved in some big angles and some some really kind 776 00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:09.199 of big matches and some big moments for for Aw 777 00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:12.239 throughout it's it's history, whether it's with Cody or whether 778 00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:14.639 it's with you know, the feud with with with Inner 779 00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:17.000 Circle and then and now now you know, he's a 780 00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:20.719 guy that I think they look at as being potentially 781 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.599 someone to build around in the future. So this is 782 00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:25.400 a good this is a good test for him. He 783 00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:27.519 looks the part as somebody that can you know, be 784 00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:30.880 a menacing heel opponent for Jericho. So yeah, it's not 785 00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:33.960 you know, a flashy nick gage name, but I still 786 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.800 think is really effective in terms of just what the 787 00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:38.599 storyline is right now. 788 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:39.800 Yeah. 789 00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:41.760 I mean, if he's trying to make it hard for Jericho, 790 00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:43.639 of course he's going to rely on his you know, 791 00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:46.480 big bad, menacing friend to beat him. 792 00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:50.280 Up, right right, exactly exactly. See, I you know, yeah, 793 00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:52.960 it's not flashy, but I still I support it. I 794 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:56.039 support I think it's it's the right call. What what's 795 00:39:56.039 --> 00:39:59.039 your take on on Keith's point regarding britt Baker's is 796 00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:04.320 thunder Rosa in the I think tonight's segment was kind 797 00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:06.639 of a filler segment. I don't

think that that Red 798 00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:09.639 Velvet versus Britt Baker is kind of a long term 799 00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:12.639 play by any means. But I thought you Red Velvet 800 00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.199 held her own in there, and Britt Baker's gonna you know, 801 00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:17.960 go over clean next week without question in my eyes. 802 00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:20.599 But so it's a good feud for what it is, 803 00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:23.679 but certainly not anything long term, I think something along 804 00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:28.079 the lines of thunder Rosa certainly is kind of probably 805 00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:29.840 more of a popular idea at this point. 806 00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:33.519 Yeah, I think they definitely wanted to give you know, 807 00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:37.119 an AEW Women's Championship match, because that's really what they've 808 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:39.360 been building around these these next two shows are gonna 809 00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:42.480 be in Pittsburgh, around Britt Baker kind of having this homecoming, 810 00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:45.079 so they wanted to do something special for that without 811 00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:47.360 giving you know, one of the big matches away. And 812 00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:49.639 so Red Velvet, you know, makes sense as an opponent, 813 00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:52.559 as she mentioned that she's been on a seven straight wins, 814 00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:55.440 But I really didn't like her referring to herself as 815 00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:58.960 enhancement talent, you know, really kind of talking like, you know, hey, 816 00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:01.079 I was an enhancement talent before, you know. 817 00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:04.239 Really talking meta like talking about the booking that. 818 00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:06.519 I was an enhancement talent before, and now I'm an 819 00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:08.960 actual main person on the roster. So things are going 820 00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:10.960 to be a little bit different, a little bit more competitive. 821 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:13.280 I just didn't like them going there. But I think, 822 00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:15.559 you know, just as a setup, I think this is 823 00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:18.440 fine to do this because there's really no one else 824 00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:19.599 who stands out too much. 825 00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:21.480 To me right now, it would make sense in this 826 00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:23.599 but thunder Rosa would be a big. 827 00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:26.599 Matchup, you know, to do something at all out because 828 00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:29.440 as you know Reverend Keith was saying, is that a 829 00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:32.679 lot of people are really behind thunder Rosa and so that. 830 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:33.760 Could be a big matchup. 831 00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:36.960 But you know, we really haven't seen too many other 832 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.199 people built up to this point. So I think that 833 00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:41.119 there's a lot more to be done and maybe we'll 834 00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:44.199 know some more after she has this match with Red Velvet. 835 00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:47.920 Yeah, I agree with you as far as the amount 836 00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:50.400 of stuff goes. Definitely definitely kind of throw my brow 837 00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:54.400 and what's okay, just unnecessary, you know, just completely unnecessary. 838 00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:57.519 You don't have to have that that line in. But 839 00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.480 at the same time, though, mine is that I think 840 00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:04.440 Red Velvet continues to present well as you know, an 841 00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:07.320 up and coming talent in the company. She's got a 842 00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:10.000 lot of confidence. I think she's got a charisma about her. 843 00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:12.079 You know, she still has a long way to go 844 00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.719 in the ring, but she looks comfortable, you know, on 845 00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:18.840 the microphone, and I think that's that's that's big and 846 00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:22.679 this will be a good test to see if she 847 00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:24.920 could kind of hang with the best of the best 848 00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:25.440 in the company. 849 00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:28.840 I agree with that she's got a lot of confidence 850 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:31.280 when she walks to the ring, and definitely as a promo, 851 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:34.039 I think that she she has some skills there and 852 00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:36.159 so I definitely want to see how she developed here. 853 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:40.880 Yeah, yep, are you kind of firmly in the camp 854 00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:43.280 of we need to see thunder Rosa versus brit Baker 855 00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:45.199 at all out? Or is there somebody else in your 856 00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:47.559 head of a direction they could they could go for 857 00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:49.880 a brit Baker opponent, you. 858 00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:52.480 Know, as they're trying to get more of Chris Statlander 859 00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:55.320 in the fold. I could see that being somebody also 860 00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:58.880 that who could face brit Baker as well. But I mean, honestly, 861 00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:01.840 there's not there's not too many people who come to 862 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.800 mind that they've been really building around as a baby 863 00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:06.960 face who's going to challenge for you know, we saw 864 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.559 a little bit more from Jade Cargill in a little 865 00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:13.559 bit of a backstage segment with Mark Sterling, but obviously 866 00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:16.320 she's not a baby face. So to this point, I 867 00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:20.079 don't think that they've really built up anyone who seems 868 00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:21.960 like they could be that

opponent. I mean, obviously we 869 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.519 saw Leila hirsh Win tonight, but she's going on to 870 00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:29.599 face Camille for the NWA Women's Championship, so it's definitely 871 00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:32.920 don't I don't think that that's her, So, I mean, yeah, 872 00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:35.400 there's just not too many other names that are sticking 873 00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:37.000 out to me that they've been building up lately. 874 00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:40.360 Yeah. Yeah, me too. So I mean I think thunder 875 00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.800 Rosa is probably the inevitable direction. I thought for Baker 876 00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:48.639 tonight was was pert Baker, nothing special, But I thought 877 00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:51.880 she carried herself as as a champion. And if I'm 878 00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.079 Tony Kahn, I mean you have to start lining up 879 00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:56.079 opponents for her. You know, I think she's going to 880 00:43:56.119 --> 00:44:00.119 be the champion for quite some time. But yeah, have 881 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:03.440 to be you know, building opponents to the feeder. And yeah, 882 00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:05.519 you have the thunder Rosy card to play. I think 883 00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:07.559 they'll play that. But you know, by the time the 884 00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:09.920 next paper view rolls around, you really want to have 885 00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:14.599 someone built up that that feels feels fresh. I think absolutely, 886 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:19.559 we'll go to three three six, next six, Thanks for waiting, 887 00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:21.320 seven or nine, we'll go to you after that. But 888 00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:23.760 three three six year up state your name and where 889 00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:24.320 you're coming from. 890 00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:28.599 Tonight, this is Kevin from North Carolina. 891 00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:31.320 Hey, Kevin, good to talk to you. What'd you think 892 00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:31.719 of the show? 893 00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:37.880 Well, I think that we'll be seeing replays of that 894 00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:42.320 top broke Judice effect for years to come. Now, that 895 00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:46.360 was probably the highlight of the knot that. Like I said, 896 00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:49.280 we'll sleep for a long time. But my main thing 897 00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:54.280 to not was with Cody. I'm hesitant to say it, 898 00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:56.840 but I think that this is the beginning of his 899 00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:01.400 heel turn because the way that the fans were. I 900 00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:06.239 was at the show last week in Charte, and everybody 901 00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:11.480 was passionate about I mean even the squash matches for 902 00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:17.239 the dark and whenever they showed Cody up on the 903 00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:21.679 screen last week with his headset on backstage, more people 904 00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:24.519 were booing him. And then when they fought out there, 905 00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:28.360 and I watched it back when it went to a commercial, 906 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:33.719 when they were helping Cody to the back, some people 907 00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:36.639 it wasn't a big chant, but some people were chatting, 908 00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:41.079 you deserve it. But I think that Cody in this 909 00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:45.360 and knowing how passionate a big part of the fan 910 00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:49.039 base is, I think he knows that more of them's 911 00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:51.280 going to turn on him, and I think he was 912 00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:55.559 teasing it to not to anger some people, and I 913 00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:56.800 could be totally wrong. 914 00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:02.320 What do you Let's just I want to just take 915 00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:04.639 Jolan on that because I think that is a you know, 916 00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.760 a popular opinion. You know that, hey, this is where 917 00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:12.519 Cody's character can go, uh, Joel watching this tonight or 918 00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:14.960 do you get a sense that this is the start 919 00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:17.119 of that or or kind of a push the other direction, 920 00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:19.079 because I think you could probably make an argument for both. 921 00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:23.280 Yeah, I mean that definitely. You know, there's nothing about 922 00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:26.119 tonight that said. You know that that's definitely the direction 923 00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:28.800 that they're going in. Because Cody has even said that, 924 00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:31.320 you know, he doesn't have a heel bone in his body. 925 00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:33.239 You know that he doesn't want to turn heel and 926 00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:35.119 so if I'm taking him at face value with that, 927 00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:37.559 you know, he definitely wants to continue to be a 928 00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:42.480 babyface going forward. But honestly, you know, he there's been 929 00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:44.920 a lot of times in the past where we've seen him. 930 00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:46.400 You know, is he going to turn heel? 931 00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:47.000 Is he not? 932 00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:49.840 You know, but we'll have to see how the fans 933 00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.440 continue to react to him. Because, as Kevin brings up, 934 00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:55.360 I do sense that there are more people, you know, 935 00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:58.519 who are booing Kobe. But also it really. 936 00:46:58.400 --> 00:46:59.760 Depends on going down to town. 937 00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:02.280 But then, as Grant was talking about and as the 938 00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:05.199 on site correspondent, you know, is it just the opponent 939 00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:07.800 in Malachi Black? Is Is it just that people are 940 00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:10.519 really into

Black and wanting to see his character and 941 00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:12.840 when to see what he can do in aew where 942 00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:15.079 they're willing to play along with this and cheer for 943 00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:16.400 Black and boo Cody. 944 00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:19.000 You know, I think there remains a lot more to 945 00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:19.679 be seen with this. 946 00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:22.840 This will be a really big test, not a test, 947 00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:26.519 but it'll be interesting to watch Tony Kahan handle this 948 00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:30.719 situation because he, you know, kind of since the company started, 949 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:34.000 not everything is gone according to plan. I mean, you 950 00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.360 had pivots with the Dark Order, You've had pivots with 951 00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.440 Britt Baker, You've had pivots with a host of other 952 00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:45.039 kind of talents like Miro just across the board, a 953 00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:48.000 lot of like small things, nothing nothing too huge, but 954 00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:50.280 you know, listening to the audience when there was an 955 00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:53.360 audience and pivoting or just kind of going with with 956 00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:57.000 with guts, like, hey, something's not clicking with this Miro thing. 957 00:47:57.320 --> 00:47:59.800 Let's get him away from keep Sabian and put him 958 00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:02.679 in a different lane, you know, like he's been able 959 00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:05.639 to kind of mold the way he sees his characters 960 00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:09.320 and sees his talent to get them into the best 961 00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:12.079 position possible so they can succeed for him as a 962 00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:14.559 as a as the owner of the company. And now 963 00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:18.039 you know you've got somebody like Cody though, who you 964 00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:21.480 know has power in the company. He's a popular star, 965 00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:26.119 big personality, and it'll be interesting to see, like does 966 00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:29.719 Tony Kahan kind of recognize the booing and recognize the 967 00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:33.000 potential need for for a shift or does he stay 968 00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:35.880 the course because Cody, like you said, Joel just doesn't 969 00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:37.559 want to turn heel. He doesn't have a heel bone 970 00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:41.760 in his body. I think it's it's part of the 971 00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:45.559 greatness of Dynamite, you know, especially the last couple of months, 972 00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.719 is the booking is lining up with the crowd reactions, 973 00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:51.519 and I think the feud will still be fun to 974 00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:55.320 watch with with Black and Cody, but it would it'll 975 00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:58.440 just be better if if things are clearly defined one

976 00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.400 way one way or the other, and that might take 977 00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:03.760 a Tony Kahan pivotal, So we'll have to see. 978 00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:07.760 It's next level coverage that you come to expect from 979 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:11.920 the PW Torch brand. No AI, no rookie perspectives, no 980 00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:17.000 unfounded rumors, no clickbait, no deceptive headlines, just high quality writing, 981 00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:20.840 breaking news, and fascinating flashbacks every day at PW torch 982 00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:23.639 dot com. Pull yourself away from the evacuous social media 983 00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:25.599 experience that I know many of you regret once you 984 00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:28.280 get lost in it for minutes, if not hours at 985 00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:31.159 a time, and settle in for high quality PW Torch 986 00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:32.280 branded wrestling coverage. 987 00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:37.119 Yeah. 988 00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:39.880 Absolutely. I mean they've really been building up black As 989 00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:42.760 as a heel character. I mean, that's that's without question 990 00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:43.320 right now. 991 00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:45.360 But you know, he is kind of one of those 992 00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:47.800 cool heels where people are really into seeing that, and 993 00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:50.480 they've seen Cody kind of doing the same shtick for 994 00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:53.159 a long time, and I felt like tonight was really 995 00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:54.960 the first time in a while that we've seen Cody 996 00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:57.199 be a part of something that truly felt important, you know, 997 00:49:57.280 --> 00:49:59.519 And not to throw a more shade at QT, but 998 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:02.400 you know, with Cody, with all that he's been doing 999 00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:06.760 during the pandemic with Shaq and QT, and you know, 1000 00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:08.480 working with a lot of the other guys from Dark, 1001 00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:10.159 I mean it just has felt like he this is 1002 00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:12.280 the first time he's really been a part of something 1003 00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:16.480 that's actually mattered on the roster, and so yeah, I mean, 1004 00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:19.679 we'll be interesting to see if Tony Khan decides to 1005 00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:21.280 do a pivot, because at the end of the day, 1006 00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:23.880 it's going to be his call and his decision as 1007 00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:25.960 to what's going to happen with Cody on this. So 1008 00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:28.840 you know, it's it's going to be interesting to see 1009 00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:30.960 as we as we learn more about where the fans 1010 00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:32.719 are out with so many of these characters. 1011 00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:36.440 Yeah, yep, just everybody knows. Juel Joel told me off 1012 00:50:36.480 -->

00:50:39.000 the air that he couldn't wait to just totally just 1013 00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:41.800 crush QT at some point on the show. He's been 1014 00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:44.079 saving this up all night. 1015 00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:44.440 LOVET. 1016 00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:47.159 Weren't supposed to say that on there. 1017 00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:52.519 Oh sorry, yeah, sorry about that, Kevin. Back to you 1018 00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:54.519 bet any any other points tonight. 1019 00:50:56.719 --> 00:51:02.119 Well, I've got fights, and he's he's took and run 1020 00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:06.960 with stuff that I haven't saw on WWE for a 1021 00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:11.679 long time. And he's smart and I think he's going 1022 00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:15.000 to take things wherever they need to go and do 1023 00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:19.320 what's best for business. But that's all I've got Phyllis, 1024 00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:21.840 y'all have a good night and everybody goes the uppy. 1025 00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:25.559 Thanks Kevin, appreciate the call man. Thank you very much. 1026 00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:28.679 We'll move next to seven on nine. Seven on nine, 1027 00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:30.480 you're up state? Your name and where you're calling from? 1028 00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.400 Hey, Jolen, it's Chris from Mount Pearl, niff and Land. 1029 00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:35.280 How are you doing this evening? 1030 00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:36.440 Doing good? 1031 00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:36.800 Chris? 1032 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:37.360 How are you? 1033 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:38.440 What'd you think of Dynamite? 1034 00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:42.519 I think I saw it kind of different from you, guys. 1035 00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:44.440 I didn't see this as a filler show at all. 1036 00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:46.519 In fact, I was watching with a friend of mine 1037 00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:49.280 and about forty five minutes left in the show, he 1038 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:52.320 messaged me and is like, I've been enjoying the show 1039 00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:55.199 so much. I completely forgot we still have Cody Vesus. 1040 00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:55.599 Black to comment. 1041 00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:57.920 I had to agree with him, like everything on this 1042 00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:02.719 show just clicked for me. I think part of that. 1043 00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:04.559 This is kind of the first thing I wanted to 1044 00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:07.079 touch on is I may be the biggest two point 1045 00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:13.000 oz fan on the planet and I've been a fan 1046 00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:15.920 of there ever since. They cut a promo in Shikara 1047 00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:19.000 where they ended it with the words boo yah, let's 1048 00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.519 get out of the bathroom, and I don't know what 1049 00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:27.159 it is about their prolole style. I mean, how can 1050 00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:27.880 you not love that? 1051 00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:28.360 Right? 1052 00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:32.400 But yeah, they are hands down one of my favorite 1053 00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:35.159 underrated teams in wrestling, and I'm really glad to see 1054 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:38.480 they got this shot. The biggest thing I saw from 1055 00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:41.559 that match, though, is Daniel Garcia. I've never heard of 1056 00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:45.400 this guy before, but I got some serious American dragon 1057 00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:48.519 vibes kind of also some low key vibes. Either of 1058 00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:50.880 you know anything about this guy, like where he comes from, 1059 00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:54.039 what his background is, because in three four years time, 1060 00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:56.079 I see this guy as a major player. He just 1061 00:52:56.440 --> 00:52:59.440 exudes danger and he seems like he really gets it. 1062 00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:04.960 Low Key is a really good comparison that that's really 1063 00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:07.480 spot on, I think in a lot of ways, maybe 1064 00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:10.840 even more so than Danielson, just because because, like you said, 1065 00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:13.440 there is that danger element of you don't know what 1066 00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:16.280 that dude's gonna what that guy's gonna do. I don't 1067 00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:17.400 know too much about. 1068 00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:20.960 Him for his history, Joel, do you no, actually this 1069 00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:22.599 is this is the first time that I've seen him. 1070 00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:26.800 Yeah, So, I mean there's definitely there's definitely an order there, 1071 00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:28.599 you know. I don't want to overstate it too much. 1072 00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:32.440 Because it's one it's one night, but tonight he certainly 1073 00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:33.960 looked looks apart. 1074 00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:39.760 Yeah, the guy. He has something. I've been really bad 1075 00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:43.400 with my calls recently, my cold shots. I'm going to 1076 00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:45.719 call a shot on this. I think my guy's going places. 1077 00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:48.599 If you're not watching it. By the way, two point 1078 00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:50.719 zero has a show on YouTube that comes out of 1079 00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:54.159 Saturday mornings. It is absolutely worth watching. It is ridiculous 1080 00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:57.519 and hilarious and those guys are super talented. So give 1081 00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:01.559 those guys a look. Apart from the fact that I 1082 00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:04.320 think I am to Christian as Nick Barbadi is to 1083 00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:06.400 edge in that I never want to talk about him 1084 00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:12.519 and I wish you would go the Mirror Lee Johnson match. 1085 00:54:13.079 --> 00:54:16.000 I thought that was an absolute star making performance from 1086 00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:18.920 Lee Johnson. I

thought that was going to be a squash, 1087 00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:21.880 but there were points in that match where even a 1088 00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:25.920 thirty plus year wrestling fan who is incredibly jaded and 1089 00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:28.719 calls things way before they happen, I actually thought he 1090 00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:31.239 might have a shot of pulling up an upset. Just 1091 00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:33.000 maybe they were going to push Mirro to be the 1092 00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:36.719 first opponent for Adam Page or something. But he had 1093 00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:40.880 believable near falls the whole register, but don't sell thing 1094 00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:43.880 that Mirro was doing, and he just seemed really good. 1095 00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:47.360 The other problem with that match, and I'm going to 1096 00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:50.119 pull a weight into a compound question him. There was 1097 00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:53.960 a guy opposite the hid camera with some of the 1098 00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:58.159 funniest signs I have ever seen at a wrestling Yes, writer, 1099 00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:02.079 if you caught it. Yeah, one of them was like, there, God, 1100 00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:04.800 please don't make champion killed big Shudty. 1101 00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:05.800 We kind of like him. 1102 00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:09.480 And then there was one that's like, honestly thinking that 1103 00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:12.880 a w pay's Meltzer. And the other guy whose name 1104 00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:16.239 I can't Alvarez, is kind of silly reading as your friend. 1105 00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:18.679 I'm just like, this guy is a genius and needs 1106 00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:20.000 to be front road at every show. 1107 00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:22.360 And there's something. 1108 00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:24.840 About Miro's wife too on one of them. I don't 1109 00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:27.239 remember exactly what it was, but that was fantastic. 1110 00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:30.320 I love that this Weekmann would have kicked that guy 1111 00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:33.280 out about three minutes into the show if it was 1112 00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:38.480 a show. Yeah. Yeah, But I'm glad you brought up 1113 00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:41.400 the Miro match with Lee Johnson because I thought it 1114 00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:44.599 was a really well wrestled match. Top to the bottom. 1115 00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:47.800 Crowd was into it. Johnson was great. I you know 1116 00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:50.480 what the guy that stood out in that though, to 1117 00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:53.880 me was was Miro in particular. I mean he he 1118 00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:57.800 really helped. Johnson did his part too, no question, but 1119 00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:01.039 as kind of the monster heel and the focus of 1120 00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:04.400 the match, he did a really nice job of maintaining 1121 00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:07.440 kind of the spot and the role and the character 1122

00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:09.960 that he had to maintain well also doing what he 1123 00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:12.400 needed to do to help get Johnson over. I thought 1124 00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:15.920 it was really just great work from him Joel in 1125 00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:18.159 that match. On top of what Johnson brought. 1126 00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:21.679 To Yeah, Miro is on like another level of confidence. 1127 00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:23.639 I mean, like you think that would to his the 1128 00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:25.599 end of his run in WWE, where it was just 1129 00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:27.360 kind of like this broken man, you know how they 1130 00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:30.239 were really screwing with him with lash Lee and his 1131 00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:32.440 wife Laana, and now he just has hit like this 1132 00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:35.599 new level of supreme confidence and that's really what they're 1133 00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:36.559 playing into his character. 1134 00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:38.800 But I liked what they did with Lee. You know 1135 00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:40.079 that there was a lot of. 1136 00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:42.000 People who were saying, you know, oh, man, they should 1137 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:44.800 have just totally squashed Lee. Johnson doesn't make any sense, 1138 00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:46.960 but you know, really the story with him is that, 1139 00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:49.320 you know, they played it right where the fans were 1140 00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:52.119 really into this. I mean, this was booked correctly, but 1141 00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:55.760 it's Lee Johnson is making constant improvement, you know, in 1142 00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:57.760 that he has been squashed in the past, and that's 1143 00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:00.159 what you were expecting to see here. But he has 1144 00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:03.480 been working with Dustin Rhodes, who has been booked fairly well, 1145 00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:06.440 you know, in his matches, and we're seeing this improvement 1146 00:57:06.519 --> 00:57:08.960 with this guy, and it correlates with the fan response, 1147 00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:11.320 and so I just thought that they that Tony Kahn 1148 00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:14.719 totally read this situation correctly, because you know, Lee Johnson 1149 00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:17.800 was kind of the aw Dark Warrior and he was 1150 00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:20.239 in a lot of matches there in Jacksonville, and so 1151 00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:23.559 people got used to seeing him and getting over with him. 1152 00:57:24.559 --> 00:57:26.119 So I just thought it was very well done. 1153 00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:29.519 Yeah, I mean it's it's it's not as easy as 1154 00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:31.440 it looks to pull something like that off. Where you've 1155 00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:34.679 got Miro who has to you know, be strong without 1156 00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:36.679 question of me. He's the champion, he's the guy that's 1157 00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:40.440 going on to big things in the immediate future. But 1158 00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:43.679 to be able to balance that along with Hey telling 1159 00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:45.880 the story of Lee Johnson at the same time, I mean, 1160 00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:48.039 it takes it takes a really solid worker, a really 1161 00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:50.719 confident worker in there, and and good booking, and I 1162 00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:54.159 thought all of that that was present for Johnson. I 1163 00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:58.360 mean the next step is kept defining a character of 1164 00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:02.440 some kind. I mean, he can't be, you know, just 1165 00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:06.800 a product of Cody and Dustin for forever. Like Yeah, 1166 00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:08.920 I think he's got to start finding that voice a 1167 00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:11.840 little bit, finding finding that character, finding that personality on 1168 00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:15.159 the microphone, and kind of starting to build himself up 1169 00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:17.840 to the next level. It takes time, for sure, but 1170 00:58:18.280 --> 00:58:20.519 I think that's that's the next step, because clearly he 1171 00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:26.000 can he can bring it inside the ring. Chris back 1172 00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:27.840 to you, Are you. 1173 00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:30.119 Suggesting big Shoty isn't a character? 1174 00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:34.000 Kind of yeah, just. 1175 00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:37.519 A couple of quick things before I go to a 1176 00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.880 final question to leave you on a four person booth 1177 00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:47.159 on Friday, good luck Excalibur can shoot Tawny Jr. Out 1178 00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:49.480 of a cannon towards the sun. If I never hear 1179 00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:52.559 him talking about talented women again, it'll be too soon. 1180 00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:56.960 If you showed somebody who didn't know any of the 1181 00:58:57.039 --> 00:59:00.159 wrestlers that opening match, they would think that whoven who 1182 00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:02.320 was the biggest uh and that Jericho was the guy 1183 00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:07.199 being brought back for a one time only and the 1184 00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:08.719 last thing I wanted to ask you guys, and I'll 1185 00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:11.639 leave you on this. The Bucks did the whole We've 1186 00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:15.599 got nobody left thing, So who's coming in to face them? 1187 00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:18.280 Because it's not going to be sent down aunties, it's 1188 00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:19.800 not going to be best friends. It's going to be 1189 00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:22.360 somebody that we're not predicting or not seeing. So who's 1190 00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:25.119 it going to be? I'll take that one off the 1191 00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:27.480 gentlemen so other people can get in and enjoy the 1192 00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:28.840 rest of your night. Thanks

for taking my call. 1193 00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:31.960 Hey, Chris, thanks for making it as always great to 1194 00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:35.320 great to chat with you. Yeah, Joel, that's the first 1195 00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:38.159 thing that popped into my head. Who's gonna who faces them? 1196 00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:41.440 I'll throw to you first, just so you know we 1197 00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:44.000 don't ahead you on a Chris's question, what do you think? 1198 00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:47.400 Well, I mean, it's it's you know, the bigger question 1199 00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:50.280 is you know the ae W Championship. You know there 1200 00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:52.760 has been reports that you know, Hangman Page is out 1201 00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:55.800 of that title picture for the upcoming pay per view. 1202 00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:57.840 I'd assume that you know, with the news of CM 1203 00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:00.599 Punk that that's probably you know, shaking shaking. 1204 01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:03.039 Some plans up that they previously had. But I mean 1205 01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:04.800 the way I interpreted is that, you know, he. 1206 01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:09.000 Took multiple BTE triggers, and then Frankie Kazarian, you know, 1207 01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:10.800 was the other guy who kind of stepped in to 1208 01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:13.519 help him a little bit. So it's possible that we 1209 01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:16.199 see you know, hanging in Page and Frankie Kazarian taking 1210 01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:17.639 on the Young Bucks at the pay per view. 1211 01:00:18.920 --> 01:00:23.119 Yeah, definitely. I I kind of stopped at the first 1212 01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:25.400 At the first one, you know, I think, I mean, 1213 01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:28.920 what about Punk and Page teaming up against the Young Bucks? 1214 01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:32.280 That could be short. That happens too. It protects Punk 1215 01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:35.159 a little bit, and in the return match still positions 1216 01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:38.280 Page on the on the ship Darby and Punk. That's 1217 01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:41.039 another one. Yeah, Yeah, I mean I have to think 1218 01:00:41.119 --> 01:00:45.280 at this point like they don't. If I almost think 1219 01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:48.400 that that match Young Bucks versus somebody in Punk is 1220 01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:51.159 is has to be top of top of mind if 1221 01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:53.239 Punk's coming in, because I mean, at this point, there's 1222 01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:57.000 no real single like solo opponent, one on one opponent 1223 01:00:57.039 --> 01:00:58.360 you could give him. I guess you could go to 1224 01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:02.039 Kenny Omega fast, but it's it's a short, short build 1225 01:01:02.239 --> 01:01:05.159 to that. If you if you go that direction. A 1226 01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:07.960 tag team match for his first match in the company 1227 01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:10.360 protects him a bit. And

he's got you know, a 1228 01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:12.960 lot of talent around him for his first match back, 1229 01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:16.159 so that helps, I don't you know. It's not kind 1230 01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:18.719 of like the flashiest of options Punk in a tag 1231 01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:21.199 team match, but it may be kind of the most 1232 01:01:21.280 --> 01:01:23.119 prudent at this time. And the Young Bucks are a 1233 01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:23.760 big act. 1234 01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:26.960 Yeah, and you know, the more I think about it too, 1235 01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:29.320 I mean, because it's going to be at United Center, right, 1236 01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:32.679 the home of the Chicago Bulls, and you know, that's 1237 01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:34.960 really been the act that the Elite have been playing 1238 01:01:35.079 --> 01:01:38.800 up this whole basketball thing, right, and so I definitely 1239 01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:40.559 could see that, you know, kind of tying into it 1240 01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:43.079 where they're like, hey, we're the elite, We're here finally, 1241 01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:45.119 you know, the all stars are here, and then here 1242 01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:48.119 comes Punk crashing in with the cult to personality, you know, 1243 01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:50.800 and maybe that's the way that they get him lined 1244 01:01:50.840 --> 01:01:52.519 up with Hayman Page, and I think that would be 1245 01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:56.400 a huge match for them to do. Obviously, any of 1246 01:01:56.559 --> 01:01:58.920 any of Sampunk's first matches is going to be great, 1247 01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:02.000 but I mean it's been years since his last was 1248 01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:05.159 in you know that Royal Rumble match for WWE, and 1249 01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:08.079 I don't know, you know, what Punk's condition is going 1250 01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:10.559 to be, Like, he hasn't wrestled the match in quite 1251 01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:12.360 some time, and we saw you know, Christian take a 1252 01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:14.519 lot of time mouth and then be able to come back, 1253 01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:17.519 and he looked pretty good in his shape. But you know, 1254 01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:20.079 I think that probably putting Punk into a tag team 1255 01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:22.079 match where you can protect him a little bit, especially 1256 01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:25.760 against somebody like the Young Bucks. You know, the Young 1257 01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:28.559 Bucks don't have bad matches, you know, so it ain't 1258 01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:30.239 gonna be a stinker for Punk. It's going to be, 1259 01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:33.599 you know, a phenomenal match, you know, regardless of how 1260 01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:36.719 much he's actually involved in the action. But the more 1261 01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:38.679 I think about it, I think that that really makes 1262 01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:41.400 a lot of sense doing the Young Bucks

versus punkin 1263 01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:45.199 and Hangman Page or Darby Allen or somebody else against 1264 01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:45.760 the Young Bucks. 1265 01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:49.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's yet. There you go, Chris, 1266 01:02:49.159 --> 01:02:51.079 there's a there's a vote you could you can hold 1267 01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:54.039 us to that for the next couple of weeks. That's 1268 01:02:54.119 --> 01:02:56.760 even if Punk comes in. I guess that's the assumptive. 1269 01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:00.599 What a disaster if that doesn't happen Oh. 1270 01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:03.760 Yes, boy, that will be quite the quite the post 1271 01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:08.400 show if that ever never comes to Fruich. Uh that's 1272 01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:10.840 the plan. Yep, yep, that's the plan. It'll be uh 1273 01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:14.840 kind of a game time ish call depending on how 1274 01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:18.920 these uh how this pesky delta variance plays here for 1275 01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:21.159 the last couple of weeks. But but that's the plan. Yep, 1276 01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:25.320 absolutely all right, all right, let's keep it rolling here 1277 01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:27.800 with the call seven to six. Oh you are up next, 1278 01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:30.000 seven to six. Oh, thanks for calling, and state your 1279 01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:33.559 name and where you're calling from's going on? 1280 01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:36.079 This is Edward calling from High Disert, California. 1281 01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:37.880 How you guys doing good? 1282 01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:38.840 We're great to hear from. 1283 01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:45.320 Overall, sorry, overall the I thought the show like for 1284 01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:48.880 a Dynamite was ikay for a dynamite. It felt kind 1285 01:03:48.920 --> 01:03:50.840 of bad, but overall, you know, it was just it 1286 01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:53.559 felt very blah, like you didn't watch this week, you 1287 01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:56.719 don't need to go back and check anything. And I 1288 01:03:56.840 --> 01:03:59.920 think the theme show like it's homecoming. I mean they 1289 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:01.559 were gone what two weeks, three weeks? 1290 01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:03.039 I think they're going to keep doing. 1291 01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:05.039 Themed shows with that type of stuff. 1292 01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:07.960 They need, they definitely need to deliver more. 1293 01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:13.119 But I would just go with the first match. 1294 01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:15.840 In the last match, I thought, yeah, Jericho and hoo, 1295 01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:18.159 we weren't that was That was like a match in 1296 01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:18.760 slow motion. 1297 01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:19.639 It wasn't good. 1298 01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:24.960 And I almost feel like the five labors is now 1299 01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:26.920 too Was it too too many? 1300 01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:28.320 I guess it would be. 1301 01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:31.519 Does if that makes sense to say it that way. 1302 01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:35.239 Like the next one is Wardlow and then MGA. It 1303 01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:37.199 kind of felt flat, like you know, I know they 1304 01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:40.880 had the two surprises of Gauge and Movie, but I 1305 01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:42.559 don't know. It just kind of all of a sudden, 1306 01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:45.440 it just felt to me like it kind of hit. 1307 01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:45.920 A wall. 1308 01:04:47.920 --> 01:04:50.519 Eight stuff. Do you ever watch WWE and think it used. 1309 01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:50.760 To be better? 1310 01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:52.880 I don't know, josh Sometimes I think it used to 1311 01:04:52.920 --> 01:04:53.800 be a whole lot worse. 1312 01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:57.280 I mean, whether it's WrestleMania, main events, old dudes at 1313 01:04:57.320 --> 01:04:59.719 the top, too many titles. 1314 01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:00.480 Oh women's wrestling. 1315 01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:03.480 We're here to answer the big question, is it worse 1316 01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:04.199 or better? 1317 01:05:04.360 --> 01:05:04.519 Now? 1318 01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:06.840 Join me Joshua White and. 1319 01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:09.199 Me Stephanie Cheese for Worse or. 1320 01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:12.280 Better part of the PW Torch Daily Catline I'm dropping 1321 01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:13.280 on Monday nights. 1322 01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:16.559 Such PW Torch in your podcast apps such as Apple 1323 01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:20.039 Podcasts or Spotify to subscribe for free or get a 1324 01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:23.920 commercial free version with the PW Torch VIP membership. Check 1325 01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:27.360 out PW torch dot com slash go vip for details 1326 01:05:27.400 --> 01:05:29.360 and going vip worse or better. 1327 01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:32.880 Finally, something for wrestling fans to do on Monday nights. 1328 01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:43.880 Yeah, I mean, I definitely can see how you would 1329 01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:46.639 have that perspective, especially given that you you're coming off 1330 01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:48.719 of you know, Nick Age and Hoviy and now you're 1331 01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:52.840 at Wardlow. I mean, it's hard to keep you know, 1332 01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:55.840 a fever pitch through that type of thing, and they 1333 01:05:55.920 --> 01:05:58.199 had a lot of time to fill in terms of 1334 01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:02.280 just just weeks of televison before before all out, So 1335 01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:05.119 I think, I mean, I'm certainly higher on it than 1336 01:06:05.199 --> 01:06:05.480 you are. 1337 01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:06.280 Joel. 1338 01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:09.360 What your take on that point is it? I don't 1339 01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:13.039 I don't think it's necessarily fizzling out slowing down a bit, yes, 1340 01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:16.159 but I'm still expecting a

big angle, you know, with 1341 01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:19.440 with this Ward Low MJF thing and whatever iteration it 1342 01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:22.519 is to keep to keep the whole idea hot. But yeah, 1343 01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:24.400 Wardlob not, as I said at the top of the show, 1344 01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:26.239 not a flashy opponent, to be sure. 1345 01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:30.400 Yeah, I mean, to me, it's still you know, it's fine, 1346 01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:32.440 you know, as it keeps going. Like we said before, 1347 01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:35.199 is that wordlow makes sense as an opponent. But I think, really, 1348 01:06:36.519 --> 01:06:39.360 what's you know, what's affecting a lot of people's perception 1349 01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:40.519 of this is, you. 1350 01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:43.960 Know, having Nick Gage in this death match happening so 1351 01:06:44.119 --> 01:06:45.360 early within the labors. 1352 01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:48.480 I mean, with how bloody and gruesome that match was, 1353 01:06:48.599 --> 01:06:50.639 I mean you would think that that would be chapter five, 1354 01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:52.960 you know, the last one is getting getting past the 1355 01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:55.559 king of the death match, Nick Gage, and so then 1356 01:06:55.599 --> 01:06:58.719 everyone after that is kind of like you know, hoop tune, 1357 01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:00.760 kind of cool to see, you know, a guy we 1358 01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:03.360 haven't seen in very long and then Wardlow is a 1359 01:07:03.400 --> 01:07:05.960 guy that we see you know, pretty often, you know, 1360 01:07:06.039 --> 01:07:07.840 and then chapter five, like we said, we're not sure 1361 01:07:07.880 --> 01:07:10.400 if that is MJF himself or if there's somebody else. 1362 01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:12.760 So I mean, it just feels like if they had 1363 01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:15.159 done it in a different order by making Nick Gage, 1364 01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:17.280 you know, one of the last people to go through that, 1365 01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:18.440 you know, it would. 1366 01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:20.920 Start feeling like it was picking up steam instead. 1367 01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:24.199 Of kind of you know, going in a downward trajectory 1368 01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:26.000 from who we've been seeing. 1369 01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:33.440 Yeah, I think that in terms of your point Edward 1370 01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:36.880 about this, the overall kind of pace and pitch of 1371 01:07:36.920 --> 01:07:40.719 the show, it's I mean, Dynamite has been a very 1372 01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:44.039 hot show the last the last three two weeks in particular, 1373 01:07:44.119 --> 01:07:48.639 I mean back to back just sizzling episodes. And so 1374 01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:50.480 what I meant by filler this week was it was 1375 01:07:50.559 --> 01:07:53.320 just it just wasn't that. It still was a really 1376 01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:55.519 good show top to bottom, and I think it was 1377 01:07:55.559 --> 01:07:57.480 a newsworthy show in a lot of ways, but it's 1378 01:07:57.639 --> 01:07:59.639 you're not going to be able to keep that type 1379 01:07:59.679 --> 01:08:02.519 of you know, week in and week out. You're gonna 1380 01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:04.320 have ups, you're gonna have you're gonna have downs. You 1381 01:08:04.400 --> 01:08:07.199 just don't want to have, you know, six weeks worth 1382 01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:09.360 of money met Raz back to back to back. You know, 1383 01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:12.639 that's that's not momentum. I think you're gonna have an 1384 01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:15.800 ebb and flow though, It's hard to have that type 1385 01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:20.119 of show and buzz on a week to week basis. 1386 01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:23.000 And I think tonight was a good show, Joel, but yeah, 1387 01:08:23.119 --> 01:08:27.000 probably a nuts down on the kind of on the volume. 1388 01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:31.359 Yeah, absolutely, I mean they had some really great shows, 1389 01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:33.159 you know, the past couple of weeks going back on 1390 01:08:33.239 --> 01:08:34.880 the road that they want to meet them into big 1391 01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:36.439 deals with the Fighter Fast and Fight. 1392 01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:38.880 For the Fallen, which were all you know, really blow 1393 01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:40.000 away great shows. 1394 01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:42.399 And this wasn't a bad show by any means, but 1395 01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:44.600 it was really, you know, kind of more of the 1396 01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:46.119 Reset show where we. 1397 01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:49.520 Had some great banger shows that were just high. 1398 01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:54.239 Pace, high intensity, great matches, great content all throughout, you know, 1399 01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:55.840 and then now this week they have to do a 1400 01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:58.039 little bit of reset, you know, and where it was 1401 01:08:58.159 --> 01:09:00.199 really storyline driven. 1402 01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:02.399 With the stuff with Hayman Page and stuff. 1403 01:09:02.079 --> 01:09:05.119 That you saw with Britt Baker, Christian Cage, you know, 1404 01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:07.960 being the number one contender, because over the next four 1405 01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:08.600 weeks they're going. 1406 01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:10.960 To be building a building up to the all out show. 1407 01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:13.800 So you know, I mean this is totally that was 1408 01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:16.279 totally fine for me and something that I did expect, 1409 01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:19.119 you know, to not be this big, over the top 1410 01:09:19.199 --> 01:09:22.039 show because now they have to start building towards their 1411 01:09:22.039 --> 01:09:22.640 next big one. 1412 01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:25.720 Yeah yeah, Edward back to you. 1413 01:09:28.279 --> 01:09:30.520 And yeah, no, no, I definitely understand it. Can't you know, 1414

01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:32.920 run one hundred miles an hour through the wall every week, No, 1415 01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:34.880 I get that. It's just it's more or less because 1416 01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:37.000 they throw you know, the theme show homecoming and kind 1417 01:09:37.000 --> 01:09:39.279 of person. It's like it feels that way, but no 1418 01:09:39.439 --> 01:09:42.000 overall gay. Like I said, it wasn't. It felt blott 1419 01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:43.199 of me, but it wasn't. 1420 01:09:43.119 --> 01:09:44.199 Like I thought it was. 1421 01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:46.960 For Dynamite. I'd say bad, but generally know, it wasn't 1422 01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:50.319 a bit that show with Cody there. I mean with 1423 01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:52.840 the you know, he favored his leg at the beginning, 1424 01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:56.079 then he went through the table. Okay, then he you know, 1425 01:09:56.159 --> 01:09:59.720 he loses the match, and then he pops right up afterwards, 1426 01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:03.159 and then he's and so he yeah, he you know, 1427 01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:05.960 he kind of got dominated, but you know, he kind 1428 01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:08.800 of not quite he didn't quite you know, fully sell 1429 01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:12.119 it or whatever. And then the promo. The only thing 1430 01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:14.600 I could think of with that is he's and you 1431 01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:17.960 somebody else say, down it. He's changing, you know the 1432 01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:21.560 whatever he is is it the iteration of Cody Rose 1433 01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:24.319 as he is right now, whatever that is is going 1434 01:10:24.399 --> 01:10:28.840 to change to whoever. But that I don't know, that 1435 01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:32.000 totally missed the mark. It makes no sense. I mean, 1436 01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:34.520 it was as if he wrestled the match and then 1437 01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:38.399 he's just talking talking out of left field, and it's like, 1438 01:10:39.199 --> 01:10:39.960 what are you talking about? 1439 01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:40.960 Why would he retire? 1440 01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:43.760 All of a sudden, you know, it seemed I don't know, 1441 01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:45.600 it kind of felt like it was trying too hard 1442 01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:48.720 for a guess to be that. I don't know if 1443 01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:52.159 it's a shock moment or surprise or whatnot. And the 1444 01:10:52.279 --> 01:10:55.399 last thing was I get it, and I don't think 1445 01:10:55.399 --> 01:10:59.920 it's a bad thing. But does everybody have like two, 1446 01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:03.600 two or three peripheral people around them? I mean, like, 1447 01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:05.960 you know, I know there's a dynamic to it, and 1448 01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:09.359 it definitely helps and puts people in spots and can help, you, 1449 01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:12.760 you know, help the flex from somebody being out there 1450 01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:16.520 too much. But everybody has two or three people with them? 1451 01:11:16.680 --> 01:11:18.520 I mean, I don't know, Like I just noticed that. 1452 01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:22.159 I'm not saying it's necessarily negative, and I can see 1453 01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:23.439 a lot of good with it, but it's just like 1454 01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:26.640 everybody has two or three or four people or you 1455 01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:28.600 know Mega's case, I don't know, eight people. 1456 01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:29.920 Yeah. 1457 01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:34.760 Well, I mean they have not shied away a word 1458 01:11:34.840 --> 01:11:38.920 from building these factions up, and not just not like 1459 01:11:39.079 --> 01:11:41.359 tried in true factions like the Elite, but just groups. 1460 01:11:41.399 --> 01:11:43.479 You've got Death Triangle, you've got the Elite, You've got 1461 01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:47.680 Dark Order, you've got the Factory, You've got the Matt 1462 01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:51.319 Hardy group. I mean, you so they're all around you. 1463 01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:52.039 Know the show. 1464 01:11:52.199 --> 01:11:55.840 I mean it's very much a to me, Joel, a 1465 01:11:55.960 --> 01:11:59.479 focus of how, you know, how Tony Kin's presenting his 1466 01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:03.439 company and the talent and his company. So like, yeah, 1467 01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:06.159 sometimes it can be a bit overdone, and you've got 1468 01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:09.159 everybody in a faction and then even the ones that 1469 01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:13.079 aren't Darby Allen's coming out with with Sting, Moxley and 1470 01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:15.800 Kingston are you know, are attached together, so you know, 1471 01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:17.960 so yeah, I mean I'm okay with it because I 1472 01:12:17.960 --> 01:12:20.159 don't mind the faction thing, you know, I really, I 1473 01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:23.039 really don't. I think it provides a lot of different 1474 01:12:23.079 --> 01:12:25.520 angles for a lot of these guys to work fresh matches. 1475 01:12:26.359 --> 01:12:29.119 But if you're not a fan of that, it probably 1476 01:12:29.119 --> 01:12:30.239 can be a little grading Angeel. 1477 01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:33.119 Yeah, I mean that like the fact that guys are 1478 01:12:33.199 --> 01:12:34.800 building alliances with each other. 1479 01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:37.079 I Mean, the one thing that I see as a 1480 01:12:37.119 --> 01:12:40.159 negative with it is that I always just associate with like, Okay, 1481 01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:42.079 if they're going to have some people come out with them, 1482 01:12:42.399 --> 01:12:44.960 there's probably gonna be interference of some sort, you know, 1483 01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:47.079 And that's the kind of stuff that I really don't 1484 01:12:47.079 --> 01:12:47.479 want to see. 1485 01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:50.800 But I feel like for the most part, aw has 1486 01:12:50.840 --> 01:12:53.560 been good about that.

You know, it definitely hasn't tipped. 1487 01:12:53.319 --> 01:12:56.119 Into the New Japan Bullet Club, you know type stuff 1488 01:12:56.159 --> 01:12:59.079 that has really brought down a lot of that promotion, 1489 01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:00.560 you know, by. 1490 01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:02.640 Having just this constant interference and stuff. 1491 01:13:02.680 --> 01:13:04.640 But you know, I don't think it's a bad thing 1492 01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:07.279 as a philosophy to have a lot of different factions 1493 01:13:07.319 --> 01:13:09.880 and having different stars rubb shoulders with each other, you know, 1494 01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:12.760 especially with Darby Allen. You know, it's like he's now 1495 01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:15.359 he's got some sort of alliance with John Moxley, Andy 1496 01:13:15.439 --> 01:13:17.039 king Stain. You know, they don't always have to be 1497 01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:20.079 associated with each other, but they mutually have respect for 1498 01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:22.359 one another and they have each other back, you know, 1499 01:13:22.479 --> 01:13:24.560 so you can expect at some point down the line, 1500 01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:27.039 you know, Darby needs a backup, he might be calling 1501 01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:28.760 up mox Ley or Kingston, you know. 1502 01:13:29.600 --> 01:13:31.760 But overall, I just I just don't want to see 1503 01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:36.319 as much you know, interference. So you know, so it's 1504 01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:38.920 it's a double it's a double edged sword for me. 1505 01:13:40.039 --> 01:13:42.319 Yeah, And I heard your point on the on the 1506 01:13:42.439 --> 01:13:45.159 Cody thing. At the end, I'm very much more in 1507 01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:48.479 your camp than I think even Joels and maybe some others. 1508 01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:51.319 It didn't work fully for me either, and I definitely 1509 01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:53.800 want to go back and rewatch it. It just it 1510 01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:56.880 felt a little on a place like it felt like 1511 01:13:56.920 --> 01:14:00.760 they were just trying to add kind of like added 1512 01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:06.359 Cody drama, personal Cody drama, forced into into a storyline 1513 01:14:06.359 --> 01:14:08.319 that I just I just don't think needed it, you know, 1514 01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:11.920 and we'll see, like because and as I stipulated at 1515 01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:14.560 the top, it's it's all in the follow up, like 1516 01:14:14.600 --> 01:14:17.399 what happens with Black, what happens with Cody next? You know, 1517 01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:19.800 we have to to watch that. But tonight, even though 1518 01:14:20.039 --> 01:14:22.359 you know, Cody was believable in terms of how he 1519 01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:25.720 was presenting retirement. He was believable with his emotions, and 1520 01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:29.720 I thought he carried the execution well, I just don't. 1521 01:14:29.960 --> 01:14:31.680 I just never got the sense that a it was 1522 01:14:31.720 --> 01:14:34.359 actually going to happen and be did it fit kind 1523 01:14:34.399 --> 01:14:37.880 of kind of this this this blood aggressive brawling feud 1524 01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:41.920 that these two had, so Edward, I'd say, let's let's 1525 01:14:41.960 --> 01:14:45.399 wait and see. But I went with you tonight. But Joel, 1526 01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:47.880 go ahead and defend your point a little more because 1527 01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:50.159 I think I'm feeling like I'm in the minority on. 1528 01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:50.640 This one, though. 1529 01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:53.439 Well, I mean, we keep saying it that. I want 1530 01:14:53.479 --> 01:14:55.399 to see the follow up. I want to see if Cody. 1531 01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:57.159 Is asked about this, you know, are they going to 1532 01:14:57.279 --> 01:14:59.600 are they going to question him about Hey, you said 1533 01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:01.600 that your to retire? Is that? Is that still in 1534 01:15:01.680 --> 01:15:04.640 the plans here? Have things changed now? Was this always 1535 01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:07.000 your plan to retire after this match? 1536 01:15:07.079 --> 01:15:07.119 So? 1537 01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:09.439 I think that, you know, a good in depth sit 1538 01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:11.840 down interview with Jim Ross is going to put a 1539 01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:13.399 lot more of that into context. 1540 01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:18.680 Yeah, yep, yep, absolutely, Edward. Thanks appreciating any final topics. 1541 01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:22.359 No, that was it. 1542 01:15:22.680 --> 01:15:23.199 That was the last one. 1543 01:15:23.239 --> 01:15:24.119 I don't keep getting the wronger. 1544 01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:24.720 I appreciate it. 1545 01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:28.760 Thanks guys, Thanks a bunch, appreciate the call. We go 1546 01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:31.720 next to four, three, four, fourth through four? You're up state? 1547 01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:33.199 Your name and where you're calling from? 1548 01:15:36.199 --> 01:15:38.199 Hey, this is Keith from Virginia. 1549 01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:41.439 Hey, Keith, how are you tonight? Thanks for calling? What 1550 01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:42.239 did you think of the show? 1551 01:15:46.920 --> 01:15:49.439 I like the show a lot, and I guess my 1552 01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:55.439 main point is I've listened to the show. I'm spelling 1553 01:15:55.479 --> 01:15:59.079 that the reactions to the final match. I thought it 1554 01:15:59.199 --> 01:16:04.399 was amazing. I thought it was amazing. I thought everything 1555 01:16:04.960 --> 01:16:09.199 just quick and made sense. I mean, Malico Blast. You 1556 01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:12.479 have a guy coming in here with something to prove, 1557 01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:16.199 and he's like, I'm not I'm not paying dues. I'm 1558 01:16:16.239 --> 01:16:19.359 going right at the time guy, And he does. And 1559 01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:23.159

he Cody didn't come out there to retire. He came 1560 01:16:23.239 --> 01:16:26.119 out there to be competitive and he failed. He beat 1561 01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:29.960 him so badly that he had to be helped up. 1562 01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:33.600 And here's a guy he's half concussed and all he 1563 01:16:33.680 --> 01:16:35.920 can think about is, you know, he's getting pulled in 1564 01:16:36.039 --> 01:16:40.439 these different directions and he got beat so badly that 1565 01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:42.079 he's like, I don't know that I want to do 1566 01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:48.640 this anymore. The only way for me to proceede is 1567 01:16:48.760 --> 01:16:52.640 to maybe maybe flin. This is a guy, you know, 1568 01:16:52.720 --> 01:16:55.760 he has he has a newborn child to think about, 1569 01:16:56.800 --> 01:17:00.199 and you know he doesn't. He can't. He's not even 1570 01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:03.039 a Reich anymore. Because Malk beat hit him so soundly, 1571 01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:07.720 he can't say he can't be angry about it. But 1572 01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:13.039 what But the sadistic man who came to prove himself 1573 01:17:14.319 --> 01:17:17.119 sees Cody taking back the marriage and he can't have it. 1574 01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:21.079 He has to attack him. Now, you set up a 1575 01:17:21.119 --> 01:17:25.359 situation where Cody he can't go out looking that week 1576 01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:28.399 and pathetic now he has to get revenged. I just 1577 01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:29.399 thought it was amazing. 1578 01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:30.399 I don't. 1579 01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:35.880 I see people are more down on it, but I 1580 01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:37.399 don't know. I liked it a lot. 1581 01:17:38.520 --> 01:17:43.239 Hey, you put forth a great argument, a great argument 1582 01:17:44.119 --> 01:17:47.000 in favor, I don't. To me, it's just I couldn't 1583 01:17:47.079 --> 01:17:51.439 get that that sense. Really it felt to me like, Okay, 1584 01:17:51.720 --> 01:17:53.920 you know he had this match and now he's good. 1585 01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:56.319 Now he had this kind of retirement thing planned win 1586 01:17:56.439 --> 01:17:58.760 or lose. That's kind of how like my take was 1587 01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:00.239 it out of the gate? And again, I think you 1588 01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:01.760 can go back and watch this thing. Because of the 1589 01:18:02.119 --> 01:18:04.920 mixed opinions that we're getting on this show and that 1590 01:18:05.079 --> 01:18:07.359 you know that I'm seeing, I definitely want to give it, 1591 01:18:07.479 --> 01:18:10.039 give it another give it another look. But Joel, I mean, 1592 01:18:10.039 --> 01:18:13.319 I think that's a that's a viable story to tell 1593 01:18:13.520 --> 01:18:16.640 if they if they tell it the way key outline. 1594 01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:20.560 Yeah, I mean like and also I mean because they 1595 01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:23.000 wanted to make it this big surprise that it doesn't end, 1596 01:18:23.439 --> 01:18:25.119 you know, right at the end of the show like 1597 01:18:25.239 --> 01:18:27.560 every other match does, where it goes off the air, 1598 01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:30.640 you know, the match ends, you know, with a minute 1599 01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:32.560 or two with left on the show, and so of 1600 01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:35.239 course Cody's got to do something to fill up some time, right, 1601 01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:37.279 you know, because what else are they going to have 1602 01:18:37.359 --> 01:18:39.920 if they're going to shock the crowd with this short match. 1603 01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:42.600 So you know, I thought it worked, you know, in 1604 01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:44.479 the moment, but the more you think about it, it's 1605 01:18:44.520 --> 01:18:47.119 kind of like this, This would make more sense, you know, 1606 01:18:47.319 --> 01:18:49.600 if they if he had beaten him like this, but 1607 01:18:49.680 --> 01:18:51.640 they needed something to fill up with the show. But 1608 01:18:52.239 --> 01:18:54.359 you know, if they he went on next week or 1609 01:18:54.439 --> 01:18:56.279 two weeks from now, and Cody said, you know, I've 1610 01:18:56.319 --> 01:18:59.279 really been thinking about this. I've been thinking about this 1611 01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:03.039 loss to Malachi Black and how embarrassed I was, you know, 1612 01:19:03.159 --> 01:19:05.079 at the end of Dynamite and then to have Black 1613 01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:07.840 come out and beat him. You know, if Cody was 1614 01:19:07.880 --> 01:19:09.800 then you know, going to do the same thing with 1615 01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:12.439 the retirement. So I mean, I think that if you 1616 01:19:12.520 --> 01:19:14.399 were to do it, you know, a couple of weeks 1617 01:19:14.439 --> 01:19:16.119 down the road, it would make a lot more sense. 1618 01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:17.680 But the way that they did it tonight, I mean 1619 01:19:17.720 --> 01:19:19.640 it worked for me, you know, putting the putting it 1620 01:19:19.720 --> 01:19:22.079 back onto Black. But you know, we keep talking about 1621 01:19:22.119 --> 01:19:23.520 it's it's going to be the follow up. 1622 01:19:24.199 --> 01:19:26.560 Yeah, yeah, And I wanted to say too, Keith I, 1623 01:19:26.960 --> 01:19:29.560 I and Joel too. The match itself, I thought was 1624 01:19:29.680 --> 01:19:33.239 really well done. I mean, it was a great showcase 1625 01:19:33.399 --> 01:19:37.000 for for Malachi Black for sure, and and Cody played 1626 01:19:37.039 --> 01:19:40.039 his part, and he Cody, I mean, if nothing else, 1627 01:19:40.199 --> 01:19:43.239 you know, love him, hate him whatever, He's a credible 1628 01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:45.880 talent in that ring, you know, when he's in there. 1629 01:19:46.039 --> 01:19:48.159 And so for for Black to beat him the way 1630 01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:50.880 that he did, you know, with the real kind of 1631 01:19:50.920 --> 01:19:54.960 stiff ending and

that move you know it that I 1632 01:19:55.039 --> 01:19:59.319 thought was was was incredibly effective and a great foundation 1633 01:19:59.600 --> 01:20:01.920 for for Black to build on, you know here now 1634 01:20:02.079 --> 01:20:04.960 moving moving forward, you know, obviously with with Cody, but 1635 01:20:05.119 --> 01:20:06.880 even after that, it's it's just a great way to 1636 01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:09.520 introduce him to the to the aw audience. 1637 01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:14.159 Before pushing play on the Waight Keller Pro Wrestling post shows, 1638 01:20:14.239 --> 01:20:16.720 check out PW torch dot com and our TV review 1639 01:20:16.800 --> 01:20:19.600 section and skim through a full rundown of the TV 1640 01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:21.319 show if you didn't see it, that's your way to 1641 01:20:21.319 --> 01:20:24.199 get an overview of what happened before you dive into 1642 01:20:24.319 --> 01:20:27.680 our in depth analysis of the key happenings on the show. 1643 01:20:27.920 --> 01:20:30.920 That's pw torch dot com. You're home for live TV 1644 01:20:31.079 --> 01:20:34.079 coverage every Monday, Wednesday and Friday with my TV Reports, 1645 01:20:34.119 --> 01:20:36.079 and also check out our NXT and Impact coverage on 1646 01:20:36.119 --> 01:20:39.000 Tuesdays and Thursdays, our Collision Reports on Saturday nights, and 1647 01:20:39.039 --> 01:20:40.920 of course our live pay per view and POE coverage 1648 01:20:41.239 --> 01:20:44.520 on weekends. All waiting for you at pw torch dot com. 1649 01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:54.479 Keep back to you anything else tonight, Yeah, I just 1650 01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:56.039 wanted to follow up. 1651 01:20:56.520 --> 01:21:00.319 You know, if if Cody want to use this, you know, 1652 01:21:00.680 --> 01:21:03.640 have a heel turn. I think that's even set up 1653 01:21:03.880 --> 01:21:08.640 pretty well. I mean, he comes to avenge the attack, 1654 01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:12.600 you know, he puts his heart and soul into it, 1655 01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:16.640 and he loses a game. So now you have a 1656 01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:21.399 had him questioning everything, and that's the heel turn. He 1657 01:21:21.840 --> 01:21:24.119 decides to throw his principles right out. 1658 01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:24.479 Of the window. 1659 01:21:25.039 --> 01:21:28.920 I think that that can work. Different directions they can 1660 01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:32.640 go in. But I enjoyed the show. I was thinking 1661 01:21:33.039 --> 01:21:37.239 I was hoping Jericho's final labor was going to be 1662 01:21:38.199 --> 01:21:41.479 Paul White because you have these different errors. You have 1663 01:21:42.199 --> 01:21:48.840 who the lying Heart, you have Nick Gabe Homemaker, you 1664 01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:54.039 have Sean spears representing now, so you have the w 1665 01:21:54.319 --> 01:21:56.159 WE era. I would I would have thought it would 1666 01:21:56.159 --> 01:21:58.159 have been Paul White. I was almost sure of it, 1667 01:21:58.279 --> 01:21:59.479 but I guess not. 1668 01:22:01.359 --> 01:22:05.960 Thanks guys, good, Thank you Keith. Great great call and 1669 01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:09.960 just good good analysis of the of that situation. We'll 1670 01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:11.720 have to see, let's see how plays out. And again, 1671 01:22:11.800 --> 01:22:13.920 I'm definitely gonna have to watch this back because there's 1672 01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:17.159 certainly some nuances Joel that I'm that I've missed or 1673 01:22:17.199 --> 01:22:19.760 that I missed on the first watch. But that's that's 1674 01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:21.439 that's why we that's why we do what we do 1675 01:22:21.560 --> 01:22:25.800 here on the Pope Show. Let's go to seven eight one, next, 1676 01:22:25.960 --> 01:22:28.640 seven eight one. You are up. Please state your name 1677 01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:30.279 and where you're calling us from tonight. 1678 01:22:32.680 --> 01:22:35.640 Hi, this is Bryant in Boston. How you guys doing tonight? 1679 01:22:36.239 --> 01:22:39.079 Good Brian, thanks for the call. What'd you think of Dynamite? 1680 01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:44.600 I thought I thought it was a solid show. I 1681 01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:48.479 mean the wrestling on the show wasn't, you know, particularly 1682 01:22:48.600 --> 01:22:51.039 outstanding or anything. I think it was good from like 1683 01:22:51.159 --> 01:22:55.560 a building storyline sort of thing like between like the 1684 01:22:56.279 --> 01:23:01.680 vignettes they had between Brian Cage and Starks and that 1685 01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:04.840 that was really good. I mean, I'm assuming those two 1686 01:23:04.880 --> 01:23:08.560 are probably going to go one on one at all 1687 01:23:08.680 --> 01:23:11.119 out and would be my guest. So I really like 1688 01:23:11.239 --> 01:23:17.199 that the the the elite that versus Adam Page promos 1689 01:23:17.199 --> 01:23:20.600 is pretty good. My guess on that one is, and 1690 01:23:20.680 --> 01:23:23.159 I have no idea how Sam Punk and Brian Danielson 1691 01:23:23.159 --> 01:23:25.159 are going to fit into this, but my guess is 1692 01:23:25.279 --> 01:23:30.399 they're probably building up Page versus Omega at full gear 1693 01:23:30.520 --> 01:23:32.640 I think, which is the November pay per view if 1694 01:23:32.640 --> 01:23:37.600 I'm not mistaken. Yeah, yeah, my guess is, and this 1695 01:23:37.720 --> 01:23:40.439 is just a guess. I'm not sure. My guess is 1696 01:23:40.600 --> 01:23:42.760 that it's going to be Paige versus Omega there and 1697 01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:44.960 that's where Page will beat them to get the belt, 1698 01:23:45.079 --> 01:23:47.640 and that that's just my thought. I have no idea 1699 01:23:47.640 --> 01:23:51.359 if that's going to happen or not. But one thing 1700 01:23:51.399 --> 01:23:53.520 I will say is I am not excited to see 1701 01:23:53.760 --> 01:23:57.199 Christian versus Kenny Omega. That's probably. 1702

01:23:58.399 --> 01:24:00.199 If I was ever. 1703 01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:05.439 Christian's an okay wrestler, you know, great, great promo and stuff, 1704 01:24:05.520 --> 01:24:09.239 but signing him I think was a mistake. The guy's 1705 01:24:09.319 --> 01:24:15.119 fully seven. I mean, I'm not excited for that at all. 1706 01:24:15.319 --> 01:24:18.119 But yeah, let's just's grab that one real quick, Brian, 1707 01:24:18.159 --> 01:24:20.960 because we haven't talked too much about Christian and he 1708 01:24:21.079 --> 01:24:23.159 had a big night. You know, he's he had a 1709 01:24:23.920 --> 01:24:26.479 decent match out there, for sure, but the big news 1710 01:24:26.600 --> 01:24:29.000 is named officially, you know, the number one contender to 1711 01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:33.880 keny Omega and the AW World Championship, Joel, Where you 1712 01:24:33.960 --> 01:24:37.920 at on Christian because I'm sitting here and it's just, 1713 01:24:38.960 --> 01:24:41.760 you know, on paper, it's it's fine. I think it's 1714 01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:44.920 just kind of fine. And that's just my take on 1715 01:24:45.039 --> 01:24:48.479 him at this point, his entire AW run, it's just 1716 01:24:48.760 --> 01:24:51.159 kind of fine. It's there, it's it's okay. It's kind 1717 01:24:51.199 --> 01:24:53.880 of nice here and there, and it's good to see him, 1718 01:24:53.920 --> 01:24:56.439 but there's nothing impactful here, Like, there's nothing. I don't 1719 01:24:56.600 --> 01:25:00.439 sense any kind of building passion for him, him or 1720 01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:03.279 for a run at the top. He's just kind of 1721 01:25:03.439 --> 01:25:08.760 merged into the traffic of AW. And yeah he's undefeated, 1722 01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:11.760 and yeah he's kind of a former WWE name, of course, 1723 01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:16.039 but I just am not sensing just any sort of 1724 01:25:16.239 --> 01:25:18.479 momentum around him right now. And so he's gonna face 1725 01:25:18.560 --> 01:25:19.560 Kenny Omega, but that's it. 1726 01:25:19.720 --> 01:25:24.560 Yeah, Yeah, he jump in Brian, uh yeah, just before 1727 01:25:25.920 --> 01:25:28.079 just before you continue there. For a brief moment, I 1728 01:25:28.600 --> 01:25:33.520 was I bought, I bought the Double or Nothing PVV, 1729 01:25:33.720 --> 01:25:36.840 and it was an amazing show, and I was considering 1730 01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:39.279 buying all out, you know, because I thought there was 1731 01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:42.239 you know, because I love Britt Baker. She's my favorite 1732 01:25:42.279 --> 01:25:44.319 wrestler in the company. You know, I'm I want to 1733 01:25:44.359 --> 01:25:46.560 see I don't want to see her and stuff. But 1734 01:25:46.600 --> 01:25:48.920 if the main event is going to be Christian versus 1735 01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:52.840 Kenny Omega, I'm I'm not buying the pay review if 1736 01:25:52.880 --> 01:25:57.239 that's the main event. I mean, that's that's terribly I'm 1737 01:25:57.279 --> 01:25:59.520 not I'm not buying PPV if that's the case. 1738 01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:02.720 Well, and that's kind of where I'm coming at from 1739 01:26:02.840 --> 01:26:05.479 is that it's like they first haven't First of all, 1740 01:26:05.520 --> 01:26:07.840 they haven't announced that he's exactly going to be facing 1741 01:26:07.960 --> 01:26:10.239 at the pay per view. So it's still possible that 1742 01:26:10.359 --> 01:26:12.359 this could be, you know, something for Rampage. You know, 1743 01:26:12.399 --> 01:26:14.439 it could be at the United Center, that could be 1744 01:26:14.479 --> 01:26:17.359 the main event there possibly, But if it is at 1745 01:26:17.399 --> 01:26:20.359 the pay per view, I think that it's you know 1746 01:26:20.600 --> 01:26:22.920 that that's definitely not going to be the last match 1747 01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:25.119 to go on go on at the show. I think 1748 01:26:25.159 --> 01:26:27.239 it's going to be that the tag match, you know, 1749 01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:30.600 like we propose the idea of you know, Sam Punk 1750 01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:32.880 versus the Young Bucks or something like that. I think 1751 01:26:32.920 --> 01:26:36.359 that whatever Sam Punk is involved with has to be 1752 01:26:36.479 --> 01:26:38.800 the last thing that's going to happen at the all 1753 01:26:38.840 --> 01:26:41.760 out show. So maybe that's you know, the justification for it. 1754 01:26:42.920 --> 01:26:45.159 But you know, of course I agree with you guys that, 1755 01:26:45.319 --> 01:26:49.920 you know, Christian just there's nothing He's exactly Zach. He's 1756 01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:52.279 just fine. You know, like you watch all of his 1757 01:26:52.439 --> 01:26:54.439 matches and just like tonight where it's like, yeah it 1758 01:26:54.520 --> 01:26:57.399 was it was a good, solid match, But all of 1759 01:26:57.520 --> 01:27:00.720 Christian's matches are largely the same, you know, where he 1760 01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:02.920 gets beat up quite a bit and then he just 1761 01:27:03.039 --> 01:27:05.239 kind of you know, he's sweating a ton and then 1762 01:27:05.279 --> 01:27:07.079 he comes back and he hits a couple. 1763 01:27:07.039 --> 01:27:09.840 Moves and then out of nowhere, the guy gets the win. 1764 01:27:09.960 --> 01:27:13.199 I mean, it is pretty formulaic all of his matches, 1765 01:27:13.600 --> 01:27:16.000 and so I mean, I just don't know how you 1766 01:27:16.119 --> 01:27:19.279 can really get behind that, you know, especially thinking of 1767 01:27:19.359 --> 01:27:21.760 a Kenny Omega match with him. I mean, he's not 1768 01:27:21.800 --> 01:27:24.079 gonna be able to keep up with the guy whatsoever, 1769 01:27:25.399 --> 01:27:28.359 you know, So it's just It's just nothing that you know, 1770 01:27:28.479 --> 01:27:30.000 thrills me at all to see. 1771 01:27:30.119 --> 01:27:32.960 But I know that Kenny, that Tony Kahn was really 1772 01:27:33.039 --> 01:27:34.600 high on him

when he came into the company. 1773 01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:37.560 He talked about a huge signing with this guy, and 1774 01:27:37.720 --> 01:27:39.359 it seems like he was kind of cooling off with 1775 01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:41.960 him as people were, you know, giving the same kind 1776 01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:44.880 of reaction we are on the post show. But now 1777 01:27:44.960 --> 01:27:47.560 it kind of feels like, Man, I promised this guy 1778 01:27:47.680 --> 01:27:50.359 this big match against Kenny Omega, and I've been teasing it, 1779 01:27:50.479 --> 01:27:52.159 and so now I kind of have to give it 1780 01:27:52.239 --> 01:27:55.359 to him, you know. So I mean there's there's a 1781 01:27:55.399 --> 01:27:57.319 lot of different directions that can go. I mean, certainly 1782 01:27:57.359 --> 01:28:00.960 I don't see Christian winning the championship whatsoever, but you know, 1783 01:28:01.159 --> 01:28:03.840 if it's if it is something you know with CM 1784 01:28:03.920 --> 01:28:06.479 punk guy, that's that's the only justification I could see, 1785 01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:08.800 is you know, wanting to make it a lesser title 1786 01:28:08.920 --> 01:28:11.520 match so that they can move Punk into that main 1787 01:28:11.560 --> 01:28:12.960 event tonight. 1788 01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:17.640 I think they did go ahead, go ahead, Brent, Oh, sorry. 1789 01:28:17.720 --> 01:28:20.479 Well, one thing I'm wondering is maybe if Con had 1790 01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:24.000 the idea of the Page Omega match being it all out, 1791 01:28:24.279 --> 01:28:28.600 but maybe when but maybe he changed his mind to 1792 01:28:28.840 --> 01:28:32.199 put it further down the road when Punk and Danielson, 1793 01:28:32.439 --> 01:28:35.960 that's what I sign wondering. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. 1794 01:28:37.479 --> 01:28:40.720 I mean for sure, And honestly, it's a smart it's 1795 01:28:40.760 --> 01:28:42.800 a smart move, you know, it's a smart it's a 1796 01:28:42.840 --> 01:28:45.720 smart call. Like you don't want to as much as 1797 01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:49.279 like nobody really is pining for Christian versus Kenny Omega, 1798 01:28:49.479 --> 01:28:53.720 like it's it's it's it's a it's a fine like 1799 01:28:54.119 --> 01:28:59.079 an undercard championship match on the on that show, provided 1800 01:28:59.119 --> 01:29:01.239 there's something else on that's going to drive a lot 1801 01:29:01.279 --> 01:29:05.479 of intrigue, which a cmpunk or Brian Danielson would so 1802 01:29:06.000 --> 01:29:09.359 and you don't want to compound cmpunk's return to wrestling, 1803 01:29:10.439 --> 01:29:13.520 and you know, the big Adam Page win at the 1804 01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:16.319 same time on the on the same show. You don't 1805 01:29:16.319 --> 01:29:20.399 want to have like that kind of subdued in any 1806 01:29:20.479 --> 01:29:24.359 way by cmpunk. It's a top storyline and really like 1807 01:29:24.800 --> 01:29:27.720 one of the most kind of intriguing long term stories 1808 01:29:27.760 --> 01:29:30.880 that AW has going. And so tonight tonight, the good 1809 01:29:30.920 --> 01:29:33.439 thing about the show tonight concerning Page, even with the 1810 01:29:33.520 --> 01:29:38.520 Christian announcement, is that's still the story Page versus Omega 1811 01:29:38.560 --> 01:29:41.680 I mean, that's clearly still where they're going. They that 1812 01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:45.279 was made clear with the angle, and so now we're 1813 01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:46.640 you know, just driving a little bit of it in 1814 01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:48.680 a different direction down the road. I think the endpoint 1815 01:29:49.079 --> 01:29:51.239 is still the same, And I felt today on the 1816 01:29:51.279 --> 01:29:53.760 show that Tony Kan and aw went out of the 1817 01:29:53.840 --> 01:29:57.039 way to make sure that the audience knew that, like, 1818 01:29:57.159 --> 01:30:01.159 this is still the prominent story is the number one contender, 1819 01:30:01.319 --> 01:30:05.560 but you know, this is still the world titles storyline 1820 01:30:05.720 --> 01:30:09.840 is still Adam Paige in Omega Joel, Yeah, I totally. 1821 01:30:09.560 --> 01:30:10.199 Agree with that that. 1822 01:30:10.319 --> 01:30:11.960 I think that they wanted to make it clear to 1823 01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:14.720 people that this is still, you know, ultimately the destination, 1824 01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:16.439 you know, whether it's whether it. 1825 01:30:16.520 --> 01:30:19.119 Is still all out or if it goes to full gear. 1826 01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:21.439 But I mean, if you think about it, it's like, man, 1827 01:30:21.640 --> 01:30:24.920 we keep talking about Punk and Danielsen too, but if 1828 01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:28.079 you had Punk and Danielson team together against the Young Bucks, 1829 01:30:28.119 --> 01:30:30.800 I mean that absolutely has to be your main event match. 1830 01:30:30.960 --> 01:30:33.399 I mean, that's the crowd reaction in Chicago for that, 1831 01:30:33.560 --> 01:30:35.920 I mean would blow anything else on the show out 1832 01:30:35.960 --> 01:30:36.359 of the water. 1833 01:30:37.079 --> 01:30:40.520 The question on that is do they have Punk and 1834 01:30:40.640 --> 01:30:43.159 Danielson win the tag titles. That's my question. 1835 01:30:45.439 --> 01:30:47.319 Yeah, I don't know. 1836 01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:50.920 Sure, that's a great question. I mean, yeah, do you 1837 01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:52.439 want to have them come in and lose? 1838 01:30:53.279 --> 01:30:53.680 I don't know. 1839 01:30:53.920 --> 01:30:57.279 I don't think so, because because the Young Bucks have 1840 01:30:57.520 --> 01:31:03.560 actually held the tag titles since they've held it for 1841 01:31:04.399 --> 01:31:06.680 almost what nine months now something like that. 1842 01:31:10.479 --> 01:31:10.960 Full gear. 1843 01:31:11.119 --> 01:31:14.640 Yeah, so they they've held it for almost coming on 1844 01:31:14.760

--> 01:31:19.479 almost a year, so that that's kind of an interesting thing. 1845 01:31:19.680 --> 01:31:22.079 But if if you don't mind, I'd kind of like 1846 01:31:22.159 --> 01:31:25.880 to chime in on the Melachot Black Cody Roads match 1847 01:31:25.920 --> 01:31:27.960 because I you know, that's what everyone's talking about. 1848 01:31:28.439 --> 01:31:29.680 Yeah, absolutely, go ahead. 1849 01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:36.840 I'm kind of divided on it. I I personally, I mean, 1850 01:31:36.920 --> 01:31:41.880 it really elevated Black to say the least. But I 1851 01:31:42.199 --> 01:31:45.720 believe the reason why they had because if you call, 1852 01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:49.159 around this time last year, Cody Rhodes got his ass 1853 01:31:49.239 --> 01:31:54.600 kicked by Brodie Lee. Because I believe he's going I 1854 01:31:54.680 --> 01:31:56.680 think he's going to be away for a few weeks 1855 01:31:56.760 --> 01:32:00.159 off television because he's taping that TVs show that he 1856 01:32:00.279 --> 01:32:04.600 does with the Jennifer Metals, and I think that's I 1857 01:32:04.720 --> 01:32:06.640 think that's why they're doing it, because it was around 1858 01:32:06.680 --> 01:32:08.560 this time last year that he was doing that side, 1859 01:32:08.560 --> 01:32:11.680 I don't. I mean, maybe he pretapes the interviews or something, 1860 01:32:11.760 --> 01:32:13.359 but I don't think he's going to be on live 1861 01:32:13.439 --> 01:32:16.600 television for the next few weeks. But so I think 1862 01:32:16.680 --> 01:32:19.039 this was kind of a stop gap until he comes back. 1863 01:32:20.359 --> 01:32:22.359 But I think the. 1864 01:32:22.439 --> 01:32:25.079 Match, the match itself, it wasn't bad, but I think 1865 01:32:25.119 --> 01:32:26.960 it could have lasted a little longer, have been a 1866 01:32:27.039 --> 01:32:32.680 bit more competitive, because you know, if Malachi Black winning 1867 01:32:32.720 --> 01:32:35.039 in dominant fashion is great, but if you have him 1868 01:32:35.079 --> 01:32:38.279 win in a somewhat competitive match against one of these 1869 01:32:38.359 --> 01:32:41.359 top guys, I think that raises in even more so, 1870 01:32:41.479 --> 01:32:45.079 I think because I really hope they're not going the 1871 01:32:45.159 --> 01:32:47.399 same route that they might with Brodie Lee last year, 1872 01:32:47.479 --> 01:32:49.880 where Cody Rhoades just comes back and kicks his ass 1873 01:32:49.920 --> 01:32:52.079 and a dog collar match, because we don't need that. 1874 01:32:53.640 --> 01:32:54.680 Yeah, so I. 1875 01:32:56.520 --> 01:32:58.800 Go ahead, No, no, I agree with you. 1876 01:33:01.119 --> 01:33:06.039 Yea, I think it should have been more competitive, but 1877 01:33:06.199 --> 01:33:08.560 you know, it got Black over, and you know it 1878 01:33:09.000 --> 01:33:11.800 gave Cody Rhodes kind of the the OUDI needed to 1879 01:33:11.880 --> 01:33:14.920 be away from television for a few weeks, maybe a 1880 01:33:15.039 --> 01:33:17.720 month or so while he tapes that show. So it 1881 01:33:18.039 --> 01:33:20.560 it you know, it's kind of a middling grade for me, 1882 01:33:21.439 --> 01:33:23.600 it should have been I think it probably should have 1883 01:33:23.600 --> 01:33:25.920 been about a ten minute match, not like three minutes 1884 01:33:26.039 --> 01:33:26.560 like it was. 1885 01:33:28.199 --> 01:33:30.159 Yeah, the I mean the match. The match itself I 1886 01:33:30.199 --> 01:33:31.840 didn't have a problem with, Like, I thought that was, 1887 01:33:32.159 --> 01:33:34.520 that was well done. It was just the retirement that 1888 01:33:34.640 --> 01:33:37.239 had be kind of kind of going okay, not not 1889 01:33:37.359 --> 01:33:39.800 sure how I feel about about that. But the match itself, Yeah, 1890 01:33:39.840 --> 01:33:41.279 I mean that was I. 1891 01:33:41.279 --> 01:33:41.680 Thought it was. 1892 01:33:41.760 --> 01:33:45.000 That was okay, not okay, really, I mean, well done. 1893 01:33:45.119 --> 01:33:48.680 Toked a bottom. Anything else for us tonight, Brian. 1894 01:33:48.600 --> 01:33:49.039 Don't thought. 1895 01:33:51.279 --> 01:33:53.319 Just one last thing and I'll be quick about it 1896 01:33:53.359 --> 01:33:55.760 because I know Hobvier is probably chomping at the bit. 1897 01:33:57.079 --> 01:33:57.279 Yeah. 1898 01:33:58.399 --> 01:34:05.039 The uh, the Britt Baker. The Britt Baker promo great 1899 01:34:05.039 --> 01:34:05.600 as usual. 1900 01:34:05.720 --> 01:34:06.119 I liked that. 1901 01:34:06.359 --> 01:34:08.600 I liked that they had her on television every week, 1902 01:34:08.680 --> 01:34:12.159 and I was kind of surprised that they were that 1903 01:34:12.279 --> 01:34:15.880 they brought out Red Velvet, and I think she acquitted 1904 01:34:15.880 --> 01:34:18.399 herself pretty well in the mic. So that's a match 1905 01:34:18.560 --> 01:34:21.359 I'm actually looking forward to because she had a pretty 1906 01:34:21.399 --> 01:34:24.800 great match with the Serenaded back a few months ago, 1907 01:34:25.039 --> 01:34:27.680 so I have to admit I was kind of expecting 1908 01:34:27.760 --> 01:34:30.840 thunder Rosa to come out and for thunder ros and 1909 01:34:31.000 --> 01:34:33.399 Britt Baker at all out. But maybe they're saving that 1910 01:34:33.520 --> 01:34:36.079 for somewhere down the line. So I thought that was 1911 01:34:36.159 --> 01:34:38.720 a I thought that was a good segment. It was 1912 01:34:38.840 --> 01:34:46.199 certainly better than watching the Bunny Russell again. But but 1913 01:34:46.520 --> 01:34:49.199 I because I remember a couple of weeks ago, I 1914 01:34:49.600 --> 01:34:53.880 had mentioned that, you know, with their women's roster being 1915 01:34:54.079 --> 01:34:57.159 kind of short and now apparently with the rumored signing 1916 01:34:57.199 --> 01:34:59.800 of Ruby Soho, and I had mentioned that maybe they 1917 01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:04.680 should look at

making more use of nw A and 1918 01:35:05.159 --> 01:35:09.920 TNA talent if and I had mentioned Camille and Low 1919 01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:13.079 and behold, Camille's on the show tonight. So it's kind 1920 01:35:13.119 --> 01:35:15.760 of kind of weird how that worked. Okay, I'll let 1921 01:35:15.880 --> 01:35:18.079 you I'll let you guys go, And thanks for taking 1922 01:35:18.119 --> 01:35:18.600 my hold on that. 1923 01:35:19.960 --> 01:35:22.079 I appreciate it, Brian, Thanks thanks for making it great 1924 01:35:22.119 --> 01:35:25.399 to great topics as usual. We actually got an email 1925 01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:28.560 that came in from from Grant are on site correspondent 1926 01:35:28.600 --> 01:35:31.159 that I want to read in regards to Camille. He 1927 01:35:31.279 --> 01:35:33.840 just said, I forgot to say that. The only thing 1928 01:35:33.920 --> 01:35:37.079 that didn't come across well was that I don't think 1929 01:35:37.199 --> 01:35:39.439 many people in the crowd knew who Camille was from 1930 01:35:39.520 --> 01:35:42.439 n W A Power, so that segment came off really flat. 1931 01:35:46.199 --> 01:35:48.960 It seemed that way Joel on TV too, I think 1932 01:35:49.000 --> 01:35:52.560 for if you knew who she was, then I think 1933 01:35:52.600 --> 01:35:55.520 it was probably somewhat impactful, or at least you go, 1934 01:35:55.640 --> 01:35:57.239 you kind of can just tip your head and go, 1935 01:35:57.239 --> 01:35:59.960 all right, nice, nice touch, you know, special appearance from 1936 01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:02.760 from the NWA. If you didn't, though, it had to 1937 01:36:02.800 --> 01:36:07.279 seem like a really random, a totally random kind of appearance. 1938 01:36:07.960 --> 01:36:11.000 But man, what stood out to me from that though, 1939 01:36:11.079 --> 01:36:14.680 whether you knew her or not, the size difference between 1940 01:36:15.760 --> 01:36:18.680 was just unbelievable, I mean unbelievable. 1941 01:36:22.840 --> 01:36:25.800 Searching for more great pro wrestling talk, then join me 1942 01:36:25.960 --> 01:36:29.479 Jason Powell, host of the three weekly Pro Wrestling Boom Podcast. 1943 01:36:29.920 --> 01:36:32.199 Each week you'll hear the latest news and analysis from 1944 01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:34.279 me and my team at pro wrestling dot Net along 1945 01:36:34.359 --> 01:36:37.279 with other pro wrestling media members. Plus, the Pro Wrestling 1946 01:36:37.319 --> 01:36:40.640 Boom Podcast features long form interviews with notable names in 1947 01:36:40.680 --> 01:36:44.359 the pro wrestling industry. Subscribe and iTunes, Stitcher, Downcast, and 1948 01:36:44.439 --> 01:36:47.560 all your favorite secondary apps, or visit us directly at 1949 01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:51.960 pw boom dot com. Once again, that's pw boom dot com. 1950 01:36:57.720 --> 01:37:00.439 Yeah, I saw on Twitter there was a picture airing, 1951 01:37:01.319 --> 01:37:04.439 you know, Layla Hirsh with Camille and then side by

1952 01:37:04.520 --> 01:37:06.520 side next to it was the Ray Mysterio and the 1953 01:37:06.560 --> 01:37:07.600 Great Collie photo. 1954 01:37:07.680 --> 01:37:10.239 And it's not too far off. It's not too far 1955 01:37:10.840 --> 01:37:14.880 as far as the size comparison goes. It's uh. 1956 01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:16.880 Yeah, I thought it was cool that they brought in 1957 01:37:16.960 --> 01:37:19.880 Camille because obviously I've seen n W Power, I'm familiar 1958 01:37:19.960 --> 01:37:21.880 with her. But yeah, that's a great point that Grant 1959 01:37:21.920 --> 01:37:24.159 brings up that this probably looked like just this Ryant, 1960 01:37:24.439 --> 01:37:28.960 Uh not right, a random, a giant person who came 1961 01:37:29.039 --> 01:37:31.760 into the rings. So but but you know, I mean 1962 01:37:31.840 --> 01:37:33.640 that's kind of the thing is that I want to 1963 01:37:33.680 --> 01:37:36.520 see more of the NWA women being brought in, some 1964 01:37:36.640 --> 01:37:38.640 more of impact because we're trying to think of who 1965 01:37:38.680 --> 01:37:41.680 are some other opponents for brick Baker And to this point, 1966 01:37:41.760 --> 01:37:43.720 I mean, she's kind of gone through, you know, the 1967 01:37:43.840 --> 01:37:47.760 main players like Hikarushida, where there's not too many other 1968 01:37:47.800 --> 01:37:50.359 people left, where it's like red Velvet, you know, makes 1969 01:37:50.359 --> 01:37:53.000 sense to do something on TV because they're going to Pittsburgh. 1970 01:37:53.319 --> 01:37:55.439 But thunder Rosa is of course the one their back 1971 01:37:55.520 --> 01:37:58.880 pocket to go back to after their fantastic hardcore match 1972 01:37:58.920 --> 01:37:59.720 they had a while back. 1973 01:38:00.760 --> 01:38:03.960 Yeah, yeah, and I think you know, the aw they're 1974 01:38:03.960 --> 01:38:06.600 going to bring in these these kind of acts from 1975 01:38:06.680 --> 01:38:09.600 other from other companies, whether it's Impact or New Japan 1976 01:38:10.039 --> 01:38:12.039 or n w A. You know, you don't need to 1977 01:38:12.039 --> 01:38:13.960 spend a lot of time on them. And and maybe 1978 01:38:14.039 --> 01:38:16.600 it is just kind of the commentary team with a 1979 01:38:16.680 --> 01:38:19.439 couple of sentences, but you know, and obviously the commentary 1980 01:38:19.479 --> 01:38:22.399 wouldn't help people in the building, but you know, you 1981 01:38:22.720 --> 01:38:26.960 do want to explain the significance of these different talents 1982 01:38:27.000 --> 01:38:28.880 that are that are in your ring, you know, because 1983 01:38:28.880 --> 01:38:30.640 they're you know, they're going to get a reaction from 1984 01:38:30.720 --> 01:38:32.239 some of the crowd, but there's a lot of people 1985 01:38:32.279 --> 01:38:35.479 that don't watch NWA Power, you know, in this case, 1986 01:38:35.520 --> 01:38:38.760 and so you know, defining these surprises either after the 1987 01:38:38.840 --> 01:38:41.520 fact or you know, promoting them ahead of ahead of 1988 01:38:41.560 --> 01:38:44.600 time I think will help them so that you don't 1989 01:38:44.640 --> 01:38:47.880 have a confused audience. Now do I think that's gonna 1990 01:38:48.119 --> 01:38:50.039 be a major major issue? Am I a little bit 1991 01:38:50.159 --> 01:38:54.039 nitpicking with it? Sure? But as the as the AEW 1992 01:38:54.279 --> 01:38:58.520 audience grows, like holistically you're going to be bringing in 1993 01:38:58.680 --> 01:39:02.159 fans who aren't tamped into the intricacies of New Japan 1994 01:39:02.359 --> 01:39:05.560 or nw A, and so you don't want to turn 1995 01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:08.079 those folks off by not explaining who who this, these 1996 01:39:08.279 --> 01:39:09.319 these different talents are. 1997 01:39:10.439 --> 01:39:11.279 Yeah, exactly. 1998 01:39:11.479 --> 01:39:13.520 You know, as they continue to grow, they just need 1999 01:39:13.600 --> 01:39:16.319 to be sure that they're that they're thoroughly explaining, you know, 2000 01:39:16.439 --> 01:39:17.960 who a lot of these people are, and they just 2001 01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:20.920 can't rely upon the fact that, you know, they're a 2002 01:39:21.039 --> 01:39:21.640 large part. 2003 01:39:21.479 --> 01:39:23.560 Of their fan base right now. You know, it's familiar, 2004 01:39:23.600 --> 01:39:25.399 at least familiar, you. 2005 01:39:25.439 --> 01:39:27.359 Know, with a lot of these other products and wrestlers 2006 01:39:27.399 --> 01:39:29.119 across these different promotions. 2007 01:39:29.920 --> 01:39:32.800 Yeah, yep, well said, let's go to A one six 2008 01:39:33.199 --> 01:39:36.439 A one six. Thanks so much for for waiting, appreciated. 2009 01:39:36.640 --> 01:39:38.159 State your name and where you're coming from. 2010 01:39:39.920 --> 01:39:41.359 Yeah, this is Gregg and Kansas City. 2011 01:39:42.119 --> 01:39:44.359 Hey Greg, thanks so much for holding man, appreciate it. 2012 01:39:44.439 --> 01:39:45.439 What'd you think of the show tonight? 2013 01:39:47.000 --> 01:39:48.680 Yeah, no problem. I'm going to give off a few 2014 01:39:48.760 --> 01:39:50.199 quick thoughts and I wanted to go back to the 2015 01:39:50.239 --> 01:39:52.159 Cody segment and then maybe one more. 2016 01:39:52.119 --> 01:39:54.760 Thought after that as far as the show goes. 2017 01:39:54.840 --> 01:39:55.520 I mean, I thought the. 2018 01:39:55.520 --> 01:39:58.319 Show was Okay, it's probably been the weakest since going 2019 01:39:58.359 --> 01:40:00.760 back to Crowds, and you know that's not necessari a 2020 01:40:00.880 --> 01:40:02.720 bad thing. I mean, a few of the positives of 2021 01:40:02.720 --> 01:40:04.279 the show I would say would be that I thought 2022 01:40:05.079 --> 01:40:08.199 I thought Miro versus Lee Johnson and Christian versus Blade 2023 01:40:08.279 --> 01:40:11.199 were very solid in terms of in ring. 2024 01:40:11.399 --> 01:40:12.079 And I

liked it. 2025 01:40:13.319 --> 01:40:16.680 It's certainly aw It feels like everybody's used, like in 2026 01:40:16.800 --> 01:40:20.039 terms of like there's callbacks to the storylines, like you know, 2027 01:40:20.039 --> 01:40:21.840 the guys who aren't on TV. I like the balancing 2028 01:40:21.920 --> 01:40:24.279 out of like doing promos when you get when people 2029 01:40:24.359 --> 01:40:27.560 aren't on TV every week, like Cage and Starts or 2030 01:40:27.960 --> 01:40:30.359 the Andrade stuff. Even though that's not exactly lighting the 2031 01:40:30.399 --> 01:40:32.640 world on fire in my opinion, you know, they're still 2032 01:40:33.039 --> 01:40:35.640 reminding you that these storylines are going on and these 2033 01:40:35.680 --> 01:40:38.359 people are here. So I really liked that about the show. 2034 01:40:38.680 --> 01:40:41.439 And I will say about the page things. You guys 2035 01:40:41.520 --> 01:40:43.560 could very well be right that it's still being held 2036 01:40:43.600 --> 01:40:45.880 off in like the in the back pocket in terms 2037 01:40:45.920 --> 01:40:48.960 of the new signings coming in. But there has to 2038 01:40:49.079 --> 01:40:52.760 be a good payoff to this after the segment night. 2039 01:40:52.840 --> 01:40:54.359 There has to be a good payoff to that and 2040 01:40:54.680 --> 01:40:57.039 I like the suggestion of either Page in Punk or 2041 01:40:57.640 --> 01:41:01.039 Punk Continual or Brian Danilson teaming up against the Young Bucks. 2042 01:41:01.039 --> 01:41:02.800 I think Adam Page and see him punkin on one 2043 01:41:02.840 --> 01:41:05.039 off against the Young Bucks would be uh, would be 2044 01:41:05.159 --> 01:41:06.800 really good. I don't know if you go in that direction, 2045 01:41:06.960 --> 01:41:09.600 but I like that that idea, and then a few 2046 01:41:09.680 --> 01:41:11.319 other thoughts as far as the rest of the show. 2047 01:41:11.680 --> 01:41:14.000 The Jericho match I thought was not good at all. 2048 01:41:14.640 --> 01:41:16.760 It's like Jericho needs to be in ra with like 2049 01:41:17.399 --> 01:41:18.720 with people who don't. 2050 01:41:18.600 --> 01:41:20.560 Make him look like he's as old as he is. 2051 01:41:20.640 --> 01:41:21.560 Basically, in the last few. 2052 01:41:21.479 --> 01:41:24.960 Weeks haven't been haven't been good in that regard. Good 2053 01:41:25.079 --> 01:41:27.359 ending though, Good ending though, and that storyline continues to 2054 01:41:27.359 --> 01:41:33.279 flow along pretty uh solidly and logically. And then then 2055 01:41:33.319 --> 01:41:35.840 the women's segments, I think that uh. I like Red 2056 01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:38.000 Velve getting on TV. I met her at the Waterloo, 2057 01:41:38.279 --> 01:41:40.640 Iowa Hall of Fame. She seems like a very sweet person. 2058 01:41:40.680 --> 01:41:42.039 I got a chance to talk with her a little bit, 2059 01:41:42.800 --> 01:41:46.640 and only disappointment to that would be that she's guarding 2060 01:41:46.760 --> 01:41:48.520 up this winning streak. He's getting a title shot, but 2061 01:41:48.520 --> 01:41:50.279 it's all going to be for a match. She's obviously 2062 01:41:50.399 --> 01:41:52.439 going to lose, and this was get Brit over, and 2063 01:41:52.479 --> 01:41:54.960 I will say, like with Britt, I mean she's a heel, 2064 01:41:55.039 --> 01:41:56.840 but also you know they're setting her up to get 2065 01:41:56.920 --> 01:42:00.359 cheered and in Pittsburgh and so it's interesting dynamic with that. 2066 01:42:00.600 --> 01:42:02.680 And my other thought is that I'm nice see Laila 2067 01:42:02.760 --> 01:42:04.479 Hirst get on TV. And I won't say though I 2068 01:42:04.520 --> 01:42:06.079 would like I've been critical. 2069 01:42:05.800 --> 01:42:07.079 Of the women's booking. 2070 01:42:07.159 --> 01:42:10.319 I would like to see more women's segments and matches 2071 01:42:10.399 --> 01:42:13.359 features that don't involve Orange Cassidy, because sometimes it seems like, 2072 01:42:13.439 --> 01:42:15.840 you know, the segments are to throw you know, Orange 2073 01:42:15.920 --> 01:42:18.319 Cassidy out there, like the Statlander wrestles her tonight with 2074 01:42:18.439 --> 01:42:21.800 Layla Hurst saying she has best friend to watch her back, 2075 01:42:21.880 --> 01:42:23.960 so it's you know, that would be a Statlander and 2076 01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:26.439 Nila Rosie is like another reason to get Orange CASTII 2077 01:42:26.520 --> 01:42:29.199 on TV. But there are signs of potential improvement coming 2078 01:42:29.239 --> 01:42:31.840 in terms of so we'll see like if this picks 2079 01:42:31.920 --> 01:42:35.199 up after this week and going into full all out 2080 01:42:35.279 --> 01:42:39.239 with potentially Britt Baker and thunder Rosa, which should be 2081 01:42:39.520 --> 01:42:41.800 great again, and then going back to the Cody thing. 2082 01:42:41.800 --> 01:42:44.520 I'm going to take the stance I have her. Anybody 2083 01:42:44.520 --> 01:42:46.319 else take on this full Cody thing? Is that he 2084 01:42:47.359 --> 01:42:49.600 you know, people saying like this was kind of helish. 2085 01:42:49.640 --> 01:42:50.640 I thought it was the opposite. 2086 01:42:50.680 --> 01:42:52.600 I almost thought this sounded like a guy who's trying 2087 01:42:52.640 --> 01:42:56.199 to hold on to like a fan by like going 2088 01:42:56.279 --> 01:42:59.439 out there and saying, we are the competition, you know, 2089 01:42:59.520 --> 01:43:03.199 doing this beach about leaving the competition. We are the competition. 2090 01:43:03.319 --> 01:43:03.680 I thought. 2091 01:43:04.319 --> 01:43:06.720 I thought that was personally in my personal opinion, I 2092 01:43:06.760 --> 01:43:09.119 thought that was rather unnecessary to like air that stuff 2093 01:43:09.159 --> 01:43:13.079 out on television. But I think the segment effectively put 2094 01:43:13.119 --> 01:43:15.079 Black over, I thought. But then I

thought that that 2095 01:43:15.319 --> 01:43:18.279 was pointless, and I mean if it just simply leaves 2096 01:43:18.319 --> 01:43:20.960 the Cody beating Black, then like I don't know how 2097 01:43:21.039 --> 01:43:23.920 much this was for, but I mean a solid use 2098 01:43:24.039 --> 01:43:24.880 of black, very. 2099 01:43:24.760 --> 01:43:25.399 Good use with him. 2100 01:43:25.399 --> 01:43:27.239 And then I thought that segment kind of offset it. 2101 01:43:28.840 --> 01:43:31.880 Yeah, right right, That's where I'm at it in terms 2102 01:43:31.920 --> 01:43:35.119 of the kind of the effectiveness of it. I think 2103 01:43:35.159 --> 01:43:37.479 it had, yeah, like the kind of the behind the 2104 01:43:37.520 --> 01:43:41.960 scenes competitive stuff like very much you know, babyface in nature, 2105 01:43:42.680 --> 01:43:46.439 but just a little forced, a little unnecessary, And like 2106 01:43:46.520 --> 01:43:48.119 I said, I do want to go watch it back 2107 01:43:48.199 --> 01:43:50.760 to make sure I didn't miss anything. But but I 2108 01:43:50.840 --> 01:43:53.880 think look the endgame of it though, and when you 2109 01:43:54.039 --> 01:43:56.880 just kind of wrap it all up, you know, Malachi 2110 01:43:57.000 --> 01:43:59.439 Black was certainly a focus here, and I think the 2111 01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:02.960 positive of this is he he had a really really 2112 01:44:03.039 --> 01:44:05.479 strong night. I mean, he had a great crowd reaction, 2113 01:44:05.840 --> 01:44:08.319 he had a really cool entrance, he looked good in 2114 01:44:08.399 --> 01:44:11.640 the match, he got the big win, and so that's 2115 01:44:11.920 --> 01:44:14.520 that's all very that's all very positive. I think aw 2116 01:44:14.800 --> 01:44:17.800 has has something clearly that they can build off of 2117 01:44:17.960 --> 01:44:20.600 and at this point in time, as we sit here today, 2118 01:44:21.079 --> 01:44:23.600 can drive down a lot of different roads with him 2119 01:44:23.640 --> 01:44:26.039 as a heel, as a baby face. Potentially he's kind 2120 01:44:26.079 --> 01:44:28.600 of in this tweener spot right now, not not in 2121 01:44:28.720 --> 01:44:30.279 terms of how he's been booked, but in terms of 2122 01:44:30.359 --> 01:44:33.199 how the crowd is reacting to him, Joel, and so 2123 01:44:33.720 --> 01:44:37.560 that's you know, that's a good thing, even if kind 2124 01:44:37.560 --> 01:44:40.640 of they they they muddied a little bit in my 2125 01:44:40.680 --> 01:44:42.680 opinion with that with the with the retirement stuff. But 2126 01:44:42.760 --> 01:44:46.279 the bottom line is this night was, yes, about Cody, 2127 01:44:46.319 --> 01:44:48.439 but it also was about Black and on the black 2128 01:44:48.520 --> 01:44:52.159 side of the house. Uh success, Yeah. 2129 01:44:52.079 --> 01:44:54.199 And and yeah, I agree with all of that, and 2130 01:44:54.319 --> 01:44:56.239 what I think is that, you know, part of that 2131 01:44:56.359 --> 01:44:57.119 promo that he. 2132 01:44:57.199 --> 01:44:59.760 Did afterwards was really just trying to re establish him, 2133 01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:02.840 you know, back as the baby face because Malchi Black's 2134 01:45:02.880 --> 01:45:05.239 reaction over the past couple of weeks and especially tonight 2135 01:45:05.359 --> 01:45:08.560 has been you know, people who are fully supporting him, 2136 01:45:08.600 --> 01:45:10.800 and I think that, you know, the reactions that we're 2137 01:45:10.840 --> 01:45:14.399 hearing from from you know, the callers and from people 2138 01:45:14.520 --> 01:45:17.279 inside the arena too, is that they are going to 2139 01:45:17.319 --> 01:45:18.960 have a lot of different ways that they can have 2140 01:45:19.119 --> 01:45:20.880 this play out, you know, if they do want to 2141 01:45:20.960 --> 01:45:23.720 eventually turn Cody heel, because I could see a situation 2142 01:45:23.800 --> 01:45:26.359 where Cody is away for a little bit and then 2143 01:45:26.399 --> 01:45:28.560 they do another match again, and then I would really 2144 01:45:28.640 --> 01:45:30.840 like to see Black beat him, you know, not having 2145 01:45:31.079 --> 01:45:34.079 not just like another call had mentioned before with Bert Lee, 2146 01:45:34.199 --> 01:45:36.039 is that Cody came back and then beat him. But 2147 01:45:36.119 --> 01:45:38.520 I would like to see, you know, because in this story, 2148 01:45:38.640 --> 01:45:41.800 Black was really focused on Cody. He was hyper focused 2149 01:45:41.840 --> 01:45:43.800 and wanting to beat him, and Cody, you know, didn't 2150 01:45:43.840 --> 01:45:46.319 take it as seriously, you know, he was kind of 2151 01:45:46.359 --> 01:45:48.279 having fun in the match a little bit, and Black 2152 01:45:48.359 --> 01:45:51.279 caught him quite a few times, and so it was 2153 01:45:51.359 --> 01:45:53.359 fine with me that this was such a short match, 2154 01:45:53.680 --> 01:45:55.720 and then you could have in their follow up a 2155 01:45:55.720 --> 01:45:57.880 little bit more competitive, but Black still beats him in 2156 01:45:57.880 --> 01:46:00.239 the end, and then that really leaves Cody, you know, 2157 01:46:00.399 --> 01:46:02.720 questioning a lot of things. You know, like a caller 2158 01:46:02.800 --> 01:46:05.560 had mentioned too, is that maybe that's the catalyst for 2159 01:46:05.680 --> 01:46:06.840 him going heel as well? 2160 01:46:07.800 --> 01:46:11.039 Yep Well said real quick, I want to take greg 2161 01:46:11.079 --> 01:46:15.079 your point on on on Britt Baker in terms of 2162 01:46:15.199 --> 01:46:18.319 like her position as a babyface orse. I think you 2163 01:46:18.399 --> 01:46:21.279 took the side of things that she's at heel Joel. 2164 01:46:22.920 --> 01:46:25.960 I think it's working for brit to kind of play 2165 01:46:26.000 --> 01:46:29.840 this middle ground right now in both directions because she 2166 01:46:30.079 --> 01:46:33.079 just that's kind of

her character and the crowds reacting 2167 01:46:33.159 --> 01:46:37.720 for her, you know, is that gonna catch up to 2168 01:46:37.800 --> 01:46:39.840 her at some point or can she just ride this 2169 01:46:39.960 --> 01:46:43.119 wave of just being that kind of undefined act because 2170 01:46:43.119 --> 01:46:45.880 it works for her into you know, perpetuity here. 2171 01:46:47.039 --> 01:46:49.399 Yeah, I mean, it's it's definitely an interesting thing how 2172 01:46:49.439 --> 01:46:51.760 they've tried to pivot away from her being you know, 2173 01:46:52.000 --> 01:46:55.039 more of the heel person with you know, antagonizing the 2174 01:46:55.159 --> 01:46:59.039 crowd and diagonizing Tony Shavanni and some of the other 2175 01:46:59.119 --> 01:47:01.479 people where she's trying trying to be you know, the 2176 01:47:01.560 --> 01:47:04.840 same personality you know of like the mean girl, but 2177 01:47:05.239 --> 01:47:09.520 with different content, I guess, And I could see her, 2178 01:47:09.640 --> 01:47:12.800 you know, kind of directing more of that towards towards 2179 01:47:12.880 --> 01:47:13.680 heal opponents. 2180 01:47:13.760 --> 01:47:14.760 I mean, I would like to see that. 2181 01:47:14.840 --> 01:47:17.359 I mean, right now, she's facing you know, Red Velvet, 2182 01:47:17.479 --> 01:47:21.159 who is a for sure babyface. So you know, the 2183 01:47:21.680 --> 01:47:23.920 Britt Baker is still kind of in this almost tweener 2184 01:47:24.199 --> 01:47:27.279 type role right now. But I think that you definitely 2185 01:47:27.399 --> 01:47:30.039 could get away with her still being the same but 2186 01:47:30.199 --> 01:47:31.359 still you know, making. 2187 01:47:31.159 --> 01:47:34.199 Those antagonistic attacks more towards her heal opponents. 2188 01:47:35.279 --> 01:47:37.840 Nine times out of ten, I'm very much in favor 2189 01:47:37.960 --> 01:47:41.520 of you have to define your characters in a lane, 2190 01:47:41.600 --> 01:47:43.399 you know, keep them in a lane. It's it's just 2191 01:47:43.720 --> 01:47:45.720 to me, it makes it easier to tell, you know, 2192 01:47:45.880 --> 01:47:48.479 clear stories that way and to get investment from from 2193 01:47:48.560 --> 01:47:51.680 your audience in that way. And there's time for shades 2194 01:47:51.720 --> 01:47:54.359 of gray for sure. And I think I think they 2195 01:47:54.439 --> 01:47:56.560 made a good call on this one for right now, 2196 01:47:56.680 --> 01:47:58.880 because when you go back and look at the Britt 2197 01:47:58.920 --> 01:48:02.960 Baker babyface character that they tried to run with early 2198 01:48:03.079 --> 01:48:06.840 on in the company's history. I mean, it was as 2199 01:48:06.920 --> 01:48:09.159 flat as flat can be. I mean, there was nothing there, 2200 01:48:09.199 --> 01:48:12.000 There was no depth, there was no crowd reaction. She 2201 01:48:12.119 --> 01:48:14.359 just kind of kind of fell on deaf ears in 2202 01:48:14.439 --> 01:48:16.520 a lot of ways. And it was the heel persona 2203 01:48:16.960 --> 01:48:19.960 that kind of brought her back to the table where 2204 01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:22.880 she found that voice, where she found that that that 2205 01:48:23.039 --> 01:48:26.039 outlet for her charisma to kind of shine through. And 2206 01:48:26.159 --> 01:48:29.720 so my worry with the positive crowd reactions to her 2207 01:48:29.920 --> 01:48:32.640 as this as a heel character was Okay, they're gonna 2208 01:48:32.920 --> 01:48:34.920 just flip her baby face and then she's going to 2209 01:48:35.000 --> 01:48:38.479 lose that edge. And by walking this line the way 2210 01:48:38.560 --> 01:48:42.359 that she's doing right now, she's not defined in a 2211 01:48:42.439 --> 01:48:45.920 clear lane, but she's able to still accentuate those points 2212 01:48:46.039 --> 01:48:48.319 and that those parts of her personality and her character 2213 01:48:48.399 --> 01:48:51.000 that made her into this main event act. And so 2214 01:48:51.520 --> 01:48:55.079 I'm I'm I'm cautiously optimistic that she can continue to 2215 01:48:55.600 --> 01:48:58.439 pull this off and it's not happening up and down 2216 01:48:58.479 --> 01:49:00.560 the show. I think that benefit fits her in this 2217 01:49:00.680 --> 01:49:04.159 case too, So I'm tentatively on board with this. 2218 01:49:04.279 --> 01:49:04.520 Joel. 2219 01:49:05.640 --> 01:49:09.399 Yeah, I very much think that this is working, you know, 2220 01:49:09.640 --> 01:49:11.680 right now, because crowds do want. 2221 01:49:11.560 --> 01:49:13.359 To cheer her, and so the last thing you want 2222 01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:15.720 is for her, you know, to call them what a 2223 01:49:15.760 --> 01:49:18.239 burger faces and go back to that kind of type 2224 01:49:18.239 --> 01:49:18.680 of stuff. 2225 01:49:19.079 --> 01:49:21.279 So I mean, I'm I want to see what the 2226 01:49:21.359 --> 01:49:23.039 reaction is, Like I think she's going to have a 2227 01:49:23.199 --> 01:49:25.319 very positive reaction, but I want to see, you know, 2228 01:49:25.439 --> 01:49:27.159 what's the content from her, like, you know. 2229 01:49:27.199 --> 01:49:29.399 Towards the crowd in Pittsburgh, you know, and then where 2230 01:49:29.399 --> 01:49:30.159 do we go from there? 2231 01:49:30.359 --> 01:49:30.520 You know? 2232 01:49:30.720 --> 01:49:33.600 Is it still her continuing to be the same type 2233 01:49:33.640 --> 01:49:36.560 between a role where she is has that girl with edge, 2234 01:49:37.720 --> 01:49:40.079 you know, And but I really do think that this is. 2235 01:49:40.079 --> 01:49:40.960 Working for right now. 2236 01:49:41.720 --> 01:49:42.840 Yeah, yep. 2237 01:49:45.039 --> 01:49:47.000 iPhone users, if you're listening to us on the Native 2238 01:49:47.039 --> 01:49:50.680 podcast app on your iPhone, you can unlock our commercial 2239 01:49:50.800 --> 01:49:54.000 free versions of our free shows by searching p W 2240

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with this 2278 01:51:29.479 --> 01:51:31.439 new hour of television and the new talent coming in. 2279 01:51:31.560 --> 01:51:36.359 So yeah, yeah, absolutely, Greg, thanks you very much. Yeah, 2280 01:51:36.399 --> 01:51:38.960 appreciate the call man, Thank you. Yeah, Joel. I thought 2281 01:51:38.960 --> 01:51:41.680 the same thing as watching this show, like, Okay, they 2282 01:51:41.800 --> 01:51:46.520 got to two shows. Now it's another hour because Rampages 2283 01:51:46.680 --> 01:51:47.159 is one hour. 2284 01:51:47.279 --> 01:51:51.840 Correct, Yes, it's I you know, I want to say yes, 2285 01:51:51.960 --> 01:51:54.159 but I'm not totally sure. But I thought it was 2286 01:51:54.359 --> 01:51:54.800 just an hour. 2287 01:51:54.920 --> 01:51:58.039 Yeah, I think I think it is, And I mean 2288 01:51:58.760 --> 01:52:01.479 it's tell me to think about for sure. But when 2289 01:52:01.520 --> 01:52:04.319 you look at kind of how Tony Kann has booked 2290 01:52:04.359 --> 01:52:07.560 these shows, I mean, there is a lot of talent 2291 01:52:07.640 --> 01:52:09.640 that can be plugged in in a lot of different spots. 2292 01:52:09.640 --> 01:52:12.479 I mean, just tonight alone, you did, Adam Page didn't wrestle, 2293 01:52:12.560 --> 01:52:15.960 Keny Omeggan didn't wrestle, The Young Bucks didn't wrestle, Baker 2294 01:52:16.039 --> 01:52:18.680 didn't wrestle or his Cassidy didn't. I mean, there's a 2295 01:52:18.760 --> 01:52:21.399 lot of talent that we're not on, you know, this 2296 01:52:21.520 --> 01:52:25.279 show in a wrestling capacity, and so they've got a 2297 01:52:25.399 --> 01:52:27.279 they've got a pretty deep roster. And then if the 2298 01:52:27.479 --> 01:52:29.399 you know rumors are true and you get Danielson and 2299 01:52:29.479 --> 01:52:32.119 you get Punk like that's another, you know, a couple 2300 01:52:32.359 --> 01:52:35.399 top tier guys. So I don't I don't think they're 2301 01:52:35.399 --> 01:52:38.119 gonna have a ton of trouble, you know, filling filling 2302 01:52:38.239 --> 01:52:40.960 this this three hours with with fresh stuff. It's not 2303 01:52:41.159 --> 01:52:44.000 like they're adding a three hour show to Friday nights. 2304 01:52:44.039 --> 01:52:47.000 You know, like one hour to me, is is doable. 2305 01:52:47.239 --> 01:52:49.640 And you know, and I still don't think it spreads 2306 01:52:49.640 --> 01:52:51.880 your roster all that thin at this point because, like 2307 01:52:51.960 --> 01:52:54.560 I said, just without even thinking, rattle off you know, 2308 01:52:54.640 --> 01:52:56.760 five six people that weren't on this show in a 2309 01:52:56.760 --> 01:53:01.039 wrestling capacity. So you know, I think they'll be fine 2310 01:53:01.439 --> 01:53:03.439 as long as they kind of stick to the formula 2311 01:53:03.520 --> 01:53:06.520 of putting out that fresh stuff. As long as they 2312 01:53:06.520 --> 01:53:09.720 can do that, I think people, well, we'll tune into both. 2313 01:53:09.760 --> 01:53:12.039 It's not it's not a it's not a hugely heavy ask. 2314 01:53:13.199 --> 01:53:15.279 Yeah, I think that you can still put some important 2315 01:53:15.319 --> 01:53:19.159 content on that Rampage show, because you know, that's one 2316 01:53:19.199 --> 01:53:21.560 thing I haven't been hearing is being able to spread 2317 01:53:21.600 --> 01:53:24.479 this stuff. Then I mean, sure, you know there's a 2318 01:53:24.640 --> 01:53:26.960 chance of it watering down some of the booking, you know, 2319 01:53:27.479 --> 01:53:30.560 but there's so many you know, wrestlers who could be 2320 01:53:30.640 --> 01:53:33.840 elevated to you know, higher level just by having some 2321 01:53:33.920 --> 01:53:35.399 more exposure on a different show. 2322 01:53:35.880 --> 01:53:38.760 You know, because as you mentioned. 2323 01:53:38.560 --> 01:53:40.760 Zach, that there are so many other wrestlers, and and 2324 01:53:41.039 --> 01:53:44.119 really Tony Kahn focuses on like his top core wrestlers, 2325 01:53:44.119 --> 01:53:48.479 you know, Chris Cjerco, MJF, the Elite, John Moxley, Darby Allen, 2326 01:53:48.560 --> 01:53:50.359 you know, those are kind of really the big focus 2327 01:53:50.399 --> 01:53:52.479 who have been on Dynamite. But I think that there's 2328 01:53:52.479 --> 01:53:54.399 some other wrestlers, you know, you think of somebody like 2329 01:53:54.479 --> 01:53:56.800 in Drade, you know, where they're really trying to build 2330 01:53:56.840 --> 01:53:57.520 them up, and. 2331 01:53:57.560 --> 01:53:58.960 Same thing with the Death Triangle. 2332 01:53:59.279 --> 01:54:01.479 You know that those guys have been you know, alluded to, 2333 01:54:01.720 --> 01:54:05.039 they've been in backstage segments on Dynamite where the Dynamite 2334 01:54:05.359 --> 01:54:07.840 audience is very familiar with them. But I think you 2335 01:54:07.920 --> 01:54:10.640 could give those guys like such a bigger platform on 2336 01:54:10.720 --> 01:54:12.199 a place like Rampage. 2337 01:54:12.760 --> 01:54:14.960 And the other the other thing is too, it's like 2338 01:54:15.239 --> 01:54:19.159 they're on Rampage. Those those other talents that you mentioned, 2339 01:54:19.159 --> 01:54:21.800 even the entreties of the world and even others like 2340 01:54:22.600 --> 01:54:25.640 as I said, Orange Cassidy and even somebody like Best 2341 01:54:25.680 --> 01:54:28.760 Friends or Lance Archer, you know that weren't on tonight's show. 2342 01:54:29.960 --> 01:54:32.319 All of that whole crop of talents. So many of 2343 01:54:32.399 --> 01:54:35.800 them have played like in the main event space on 2344 01:54:35.920 --> 01:54:38.800 Dynamite here or there, even if it was just one match, Like, 2345 01:54:38.920 --> 01:54:42.319 they're not going to look out of place carrying you know, 2346 01:54:42.640 --> 01:54:44.800 Rampage in the in the main event slot. So it's 2347 01:54:44.840 --> 01:54:46.680 not like you're going to have people

that are at 2348 01:54:46.760 --> 01:54:49.640 the middle of the card now on Dynamite trying to 2349 01:54:50.159 --> 01:54:53.640 reach to a higher level on Rampage because all of 2350 01:54:53.720 --> 01:54:55.800 them have have been there before in some capacity. And 2351 01:54:55.840 --> 01:54:58.359 I think that's a that's a real strength to how 2352 01:54:58.439 --> 01:55:01.279 Tony Kahan has booked these shows because you can, you know, 2353 01:55:01.479 --> 01:55:04.079 plug and play in a multitude of ways, and that's 2354 01:55:04.119 --> 01:55:07.399 going to help keep Rampage feeling like not a B show. 2355 01:55:08.479 --> 01:55:10.439 Yeah. And I and there's a lot of questions, you know, 2356 01:55:10.560 --> 01:55:12.560 surrounding Rampage. I mean, is there going to be a 2357 01:55:12.600 --> 01:55:15.279 definitive roster split. You know, are they just going to 2358 01:55:15.359 --> 01:55:18.600 keep storylines consistent to those different shows or are they 2359 01:55:18.640 --> 01:55:21.079 going to be interchangeable, because I think that there's there's 2360 01:55:21.159 --> 01:55:23.640 pros and cons to both those things, that there can 2361 01:55:23.680 --> 01:55:25.239 be a lot of things that are lost, you know, 2362 01:55:25.319 --> 01:55:27.520 if it one week it's on Dynamite, another week that's 2363 01:55:27.560 --> 01:55:30.760 on Rampage. But also you want all that stuff on 2364 01:55:30.920 --> 01:55:33.800 Rampage to feel as important, you know, because Dynamite is 2365 01:55:33.880 --> 01:55:35.239 of course going to be the A show. 2366 01:55:35.319 --> 01:55:37.640 I mean, they want both them to be important. 2367 01:55:38.159 --> 01:55:40.520 But you know, are you then going to have you know, 2368 01:55:40.760 --> 01:55:44.680 your your world title picture stuff on Rampage and Dynamite? 2369 01:55:44.960 --> 01:55:47.960 You know, is that too much exposure of the elite 2370 01:55:48.039 --> 01:55:49.800 to be on both of them, you know? Or is 2371 01:55:49.840 --> 01:55:51.680 that a good balance? I mean there's a lot of 2372 01:55:51.760 --> 01:55:54.640 things that are you know, pretty unknown at this point. 2373 01:55:55.319 --> 01:55:59.239 Yeah, yep, absolutely all right. So we go to three 2374 01:55:59.399 --> 01:56:03.399 h five and Javier to take us home. Javier, great 2375 01:56:03.439 --> 01:56:05.119 to talk to you, my friend. Hopefully we left a 2376 01:56:05.119 --> 01:56:06.039 little on the bone. 2377 01:56:05.840 --> 01:56:11.880 For you here. Hey Joel, Hey darn, where's my music? 2378 01:56:11.960 --> 01:56:12.119 Man? 2379 01:56:13.239 --> 01:56:13.560 You know what? 2380 01:56:13.720 --> 01:56:14.079 All right? 2381 01:56:14.199 --> 01:56:17.359 I was I was scrolling through the soundboard. 2382 01:56:20.159 --> 01:56:21.840 I knew you were going to forget, so I had 2383 01:56:21.880 --> 01:56:23.399 to one ready, ready and prepared. 2384 01:56:29.399 --> 01:56:29.800 Oh my. 2385 01:56:31.319 --> 01:56:32.760 Oh wow wow. 2386 01:56:33.920 --> 01:56:36.079 Okay, so so don't worry. 2387 01:56:36.199 --> 01:56:37.640 Everything's okay, We're We're good. 2388 01:56:38.199 --> 01:56:42.520 I'm I'm spoke, totally scared. I got to drop the call. 2389 01:56:42.640 --> 01:56:43.399 Now show over. 2390 01:56:44.920 --> 01:56:47.880 Well, well, I mean we're gonna have to have words 2391 01:56:47.960 --> 01:56:51.680 over you stepping out on our feud with Nick Barbatty. 2392 01:56:51.720 --> 01:56:54.800 Apparently I just stepping Nick and Toms. 2393 01:56:54.439 --> 01:56:57.319 So and uh stepping out? Are you kidding? 2394 01:56:58.319 --> 01:56:59.439 Zacht gonna step out? 2395 01:57:00.560 --> 01:57:00.880 All in? 2396 01:57:01.159 --> 01:57:02.479 All in, you know, I'm not. 2397 01:57:02.600 --> 01:57:02.800 I'm not. 2398 01:57:02.960 --> 01:57:05.520 I'm not falling into Barbadi's trap of trying to, you know, 2399 01:57:05.640 --> 01:57:08.720 name drop me and and you know, get baiting me. 2400 01:57:09.119 --> 01:57:15.800 I'm not falling for Sorry, I'm I always figured that 2401 01:57:16.000 --> 01:57:17.640 Wade was going to have to book a match between 2402 01:57:17.680 --> 01:57:18.279 the two of us. 2403 01:57:18.399 --> 01:57:21.319 But but I think, uh, Nika's. 2404 01:57:20.920 --> 01:57:23.000 Trying to get in our triple threat. But you know, 2405 01:57:23.119 --> 01:57:24.239 we'll see where that goes. 2406 01:57:24.479 --> 01:57:26.560 Well, Wade hates triple threats, so it's not going to 2407 01:57:26.600 --> 01:57:27.640 be that, that's for sure. 2408 01:57:29.880 --> 01:57:30.119 Yeah. 2409 01:57:30.960 --> 01:57:34.680 Yeah, so we'll see maybe midie tournament. 2410 01:57:36.439 --> 01:57:39.840 But yeah, I I on the plus side, though I 2411 01:57:40.039 --> 01:57:42.000 did agree with you on my feeling source the show 2412 01:57:42.119 --> 01:57:44.560 that it was a middle of the road just you know, 2413 01:57:45.720 --> 01:57:47.279 get get us past the week. 2414 01:57:48.199 --> 01:57:50.680 And I agree with the the weirdness of the Cody thing. 2415 01:57:51.279 --> 01:57:56.119 Now, Uh, Jordan, you were mentioned Cody like something like 2416 01:57:56.560 --> 01:57:59.119 not having a heel bone in his body. Was that 2417 01:57:59.199 --> 01:58:01.119 something he said or that's something that you think. 2418 01:58:01.079 --> 01:58:02.159 Or something that people know. 2419 01:58:02.399 --> 01:58:05.600 He said that in an interview recently that people want 2420 01:58:05.680 --> 01:58:07.359 him to turn heel and he's just kind of like, 2421 01:58:07.439 --> 01:58:09.000 I'm not gonna do that. I don't have a heel 2422 01:58:09.039 --> 01:58:09.800 bone in my body. 2423 01:58:13.079 --> 01:58:15.560 Yeah, I mean if he isn't anything, if you need 2424 01:58:15.680 --> 01:58:19.279 any more proof like he's turning heel, uh, other than 2425 01:58:19.359 --> 01:58:24.039 him wearing costplaying in his homelander. Yeah, because I

mean 2426 01:58:24.079 --> 01:58:26.800 I've I've been vocal since like the inception of a 2427 01:58:27.159 --> 01:58:32.159 w that Cody Cody prefers heel. He's like a natural 2428 01:58:32.319 --> 01:58:34.560 heel with you know, the smirk that he gives and 2429 01:58:35.119 --> 01:58:36.119 and his whole thing. 2430 01:58:36.880 --> 01:58:37.880 And uh you know. 2431 01:58:38.000 --> 01:58:42.239 And and that's when he had his match with m 2432 01:58:42.359 --> 01:58:45.279 j F where it was MGF where he did the 2433 01:58:45.279 --> 01:58:46.920 stipulation where he's down on challenge for the title. 2434 01:58:50.039 --> 01:58:50.479 What it. 2435 01:58:53.159 --> 01:58:56.039 Yeah, Ever since then, it's like well that that stipulation 2436 01:58:56.199 --> 01:58:58.600 makes sense because you know he's going to turn heel 2437 01:58:58.640 --> 01:59:01.520 and then go back and his prom and then when 2438 01:59:01.560 --> 01:59:03.760 I think it was around the time that, uh, they 2439 01:59:03.800 --> 01:59:06.560 were kind of teasing the Reformation of the Four Horsemen 2440 01:59:06.680 --> 01:59:09.720 for a while and we were having the questions on 2441 01:59:09.720 --> 01:59:12.279 whether he's turning heel or not, but the audience had 2442 01:59:12.319 --> 01:59:15.279 not you know, turned him heel yet. So and then 2443 01:59:15.319 --> 01:59:17.479 he had that one promo where he pretty much like 2444 01:59:18.640 --> 01:59:22.359 in his meta speak, said that, oh, some people have 2445 01:59:22.399 --> 01:59:23.840 been asking me if I'm want to go heel or 2446 01:59:24.199 --> 01:59:25.399 to go white hat or black head, I think was 2447 01:59:25.560 --> 01:59:26.359 the reference. 2448 01:59:26.000 --> 01:59:26.439 That he made. 2449 01:59:27.000 --> 01:59:28.960 And you know, I'm just gonna go just you know, 2450 01:59:29.199 --> 01:59:32.359 essentially right right a face until you guys get tired, essentially. 2451 01:59:32.920 --> 01:59:35.279 And I think ever since then, people started getting tired 2452 01:59:35.319 --> 01:59:38.359 of him. And I'm pretty sure he'll when he comes back, 2453 01:59:38.399 --> 01:59:39.960 and I'm sure he's gonna probably take some time off 2454 01:59:40.039 --> 01:59:42.239 for you know, whatever he has to do. Uh, he's 2455 01:59:42.279 --> 01:59:46.279 gonna probably end up coming back at the heel or 2456 01:59:46.399 --> 01:59:48.319 do something in his first appearance that's gonna turn him. 2457 01:59:48.319 --> 01:59:51.119 He'll so, and then it's gonna be fun because I 2458 01:59:51.199 --> 01:59:55.439 I he he he could be a detestable heel. I 2459 01:59:55.600 --> 01:59:58.720 really enjoyed his heel run when he was in the Independence. 2460 01:59:59.399 --> 02:00:00.479 Yeah, that really good. 2461 02:00:00.640 --> 02:00:00.840 Yeah. 2462 02:00:01.039 --> 02:00:02.760 I think they need a big time heal, you know 2463 02:00:03.159 --> 02:00:05.479 on the show. Is like we said that so many guys,

2464 02:00:06.319 --> 02:00:08.239 you know, so many times, like the baby Faces going 2465 02:00:08.319 --> 02:00:10.359 over and you know, the Elite they're doing their heel 2466 02:00:10.439 --> 02:00:13.000 role right now, and they're not They're not that serious, 2467 02:00:13.199 --> 02:00:16.119 you know, heel. And I think that Cody could definitely 2468 02:00:16.199 --> 02:00:19.119 play that role as that big time, serious heel that 2469 02:00:19.279 --> 02:00:21.520 the show does need where baby because they have so 2470 02:00:21.600 --> 02:00:23.920 many baby Faces and so many people that people like 2471 02:00:24.319 --> 02:00:26.119 on the show, and so I definitely would like to 2472 02:00:26.159 --> 02:00:28.119 see Cody and kind of the elevated role that people 2473 02:00:28.119 --> 02:00:28.760 are going after. 2474 02:00:29.600 --> 02:00:31.720 Let me read an email here because it fits into this. 2475 02:00:32.119 --> 02:00:35.399 This This conversation is from Henderson in Charlotte, North Carolina, 2476 02:00:35.720 --> 02:00:37.720 and he first talked about the Jericho Hoovey match. He 2477 02:00:37.760 --> 02:00:40.199 says that Jericho Hovey match was rough except for the 2478 02:00:40.239 --> 02:00:42.479 top rop finish. I guess Jericho trying to rip the 2479 02:00:42.560 --> 02:00:45.119 mask off was paying homage to their old rivalry, but 2480 02:00:45.199 --> 02:00:46.880 it didn't really make sense in the context of the 2481 02:00:46.920 --> 02:00:49.840 story they're trying to tell. Superhel move. So who am 2482 02:00:49.920 --> 02:00:52.520 I rooting for? On a brighter note, I can't begin 2483 02:00:52.600 --> 02:00:54.720 to tell you how much I enjoyed the visual at 2484 02:00:54.760 --> 02:00:57.279 the end of the match. MJF standing in front of 2485 02:00:57.319 --> 02:00:59.880 a crowd that looked like they actually hated him see 2486 02:01:00.079 --> 02:01:03.159 thumbs pointing down, middle fingers and gold faces brought a 2487 02:01:03.239 --> 02:01:05.920 smile to my face. A true heel in twenty twenty 2488 02:01:06.000 --> 02:01:08.800 one is something to be applauded and then immediately booed 2489 02:01:08.800 --> 02:01:10.640 out of respect. Thanks for all the great content. Yeah, 2490 02:01:10.640 --> 02:01:13.840 thanks Henderson. This fits into our to that conversation, I mean, 2491 02:01:13.880 --> 02:01:17.840 I think MJF is becoming that Joel, Like you know, 2492 02:01:17.920 --> 02:01:23.159 he's firmly in that in that lane, but like like you, 2493 02:01:23.439 --> 02:01:26.720 like you said, I mean er, Likejavier said, the Cody 2494 02:01:26.840 --> 02:01:30.159 playing that heel role, I think can get this type 2495 02:01:30.159 --> 02:01:32.640 of heat that Henderson's talking about if he's in the 2496 02:01:32.720 --> 02:01:35.079 heel space that he was on the independent scene, like 2497 02:01:35.199 --> 02:01:37.600 that that was hot for a long time. 2498 02:01:37.720 --> 02:01:37.960 Joel. 2499 02:01:39.239 --> 02:01:41.520 Yeah, I mean he was great in that role. 2500 02:01:41.720 --> 02:01:44.159 And so like I said, you know, Cody is definitely 2501 02:01:44.239 --> 02:01:46.880 trying to build up credibility, you know, in his interviews. 2502 02:01:47.159 --> 02:01:48.960 But I agree with Javier that I think that this 2503 02:01:49.119 --> 02:01:52.399 is probably you know, him moving more towards that direction, 2504 02:01:52.960 --> 02:01:55.479 becoming a heel. I mean tonight, I mean I thought 2505 02:01:55.520 --> 02:01:57.640 that this was, like I said, kind of filling more 2506 02:01:57.720 --> 02:02:00.920 time and trying to bring it back more towards Malachi Black. 2507 02:02:01.039 --> 02:02:03.199 But that's what I would like to see out of Cody, 2508 02:02:03.319 --> 02:02:05.640 is you know that. I think that fans are, you know, 2509 02:02:05.720 --> 02:02:06.399 they're kind of. 2510 02:02:06.920 --> 02:02:09.520 Done a little bit with the raw raw rally. 2511 02:02:09.319 --> 02:02:12.079 Speeches, especially like he gave again tonight, and I think 2512 02:02:12.119 --> 02:02:14.720 that him turning heel would definitely freshen things up for 2513 02:02:14.800 --> 02:02:15.279 his character. 2514 02:02:16.239 --> 02:02:18.560 Yeah. Yeah, And I think too, Javier, you brought up 2515 02:02:18.560 --> 02:02:22.359 a great point about the title thing, like for I 2516 02:02:22.479 --> 02:02:26.840 think a lot of Cody's stuff it does live in 2517 02:02:26.920 --> 02:02:29.039 its own little world because it almost has to, because 2518 02:02:29.039 --> 02:02:31.600 he can't revolve around the thing that everything else is 2519 02:02:31.680 --> 02:02:35.560 really revolving around, which is that that AW World Championship, 2520 02:02:35.640 --> 02:02:38.279 And as a heel, he can pivot back and get 2521 02:02:38.399 --> 02:02:40.920 back you know, on that on that path, which I 2522 02:02:40.960 --> 02:02:43.680 think just puts him back into like the main just 2523 02:02:44.800 --> 02:02:48.880 AW dynamite ecosystem. So that's a it's a great point. 2524 02:02:48.920 --> 02:02:53.840 I here and back to you, Hey everyone, Greg Parks 2525 02:02:53.880 --> 02:02:56.479 here you've probably heard me hosting Wrestling Night in America 2526 02:02:56.520 --> 02:02:58.680 after pay per views and also co hosting the Tuesday 2527 02:02:58.720 --> 02:03:01.800 Flagship with Wade Keller. I also host a VIP exclusive 2528 02:03:01.840 --> 02:03:05.119 podcast every week called Greg Parks Out Loud. In this podcast, 2529 02:03:05.199 --> 02:03:07.359 I delve into a single topic for around twenty minutes, 2530 02:03:07.479 --> 02:03:09.439 perfect length for one of your daily commutes or while 2531 02:03:09.479 --> 02:03:12.439 walking the dog. A couple of my recent episodes included 2532 02:03:12.439 --> 02:03:15.319 a look at TNA as they moved to AMC and WWE, 2533 02:03:15.399 --> 02:03:18.319 and AW injuries for the year twenty twenty five. You

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In addition 2543 02:03:45.239 --> 02:03:47.960 to all the commercial free VIP podcasts, check it out. 2544 02:03:48.039 --> 02:03:50.000 We'd love for you to join our community and unlock 2545 02:03:50.079 --> 02:03:52.640 access to all our VIP exclusive content. 2546 02:03:58.159 --> 02:03:59.880 And anything you brought up Jeriko. 2547 02:04:01.239 --> 02:04:04.880 Yeah, that match started rough, yeah the least. 2548 02:04:05.640 --> 02:04:10.399 Yeah, I mean once once. 2549 02:04:10.239 --> 02:04:12.359 The two Yeah, particularly like on the first couple of 2550 02:04:12.680 --> 02:04:16.000 her Kronas, after they got warmed up it, you know, 2551 02:04:16.680 --> 02:04:19.000 and they stopped just you know, and then slow down 2552 02:04:19.000 --> 02:04:22.159 a bit. I got into it because it did feel 2553 02:04:22.199 --> 02:04:25.239 like an old like, uh, you know, I've watched very 2554 02:04:25.279 --> 02:04:28.479 little Luca, but when you have like two older Luca 2555 02:04:28.560 --> 02:04:30.520 Doors going going up against it, it kind of felt 2556 02:04:30.520 --> 02:04:34.479 that way. So I dug it, and I mean, yeah, 2557 02:04:34.640 --> 02:04:38.640 it's likely it's most likely due to you know, uh, 2558 02:04:39.199 --> 02:04:41.279 you know, Jericho's condition, his age and stuff. 2559 02:04:41.760 --> 02:04:43.640 But I mean, let's not forget that. 2560 02:04:43.640 --> 02:04:45.920 They're telling the story that he's going through a gauntlet, 2561 02:04:46.560 --> 02:04:49.640 and you know, he's going to be slower and more 2562 02:04:49.720 --> 02:04:53.079 exhausted and more tired with every match that goes by. 2563 02:04:54.279 --> 02:04:57.319 I mean, it's just good happenstance that that fits maybe 2564 02:04:57.399 --> 02:05:01.720 his actual condition. But for the most part, I've been 2565 02:05:01.800 --> 02:05:04.680 soaking in the storyline because I just have a strong 2566 02:05:04.760 --> 02:05:07.399 impression that this is kind of is uh you know, 2567 02:05:07.520 --> 02:05:12.720 like his uh, you know, retirement tour essentially because when 2568 02:05:12.800 --> 02:05:15.840 he came out and he was soaking into Jericho, you know, 2569 02:05:16.239 --> 02:05:20.439 uh music, the fazzy music and the crowd singing that 2570 02:05:20.760 --> 02:05:22.720 his the look on his face was different that he 2571 02:05:22.800 --> 02:05:24.439 normally has, which is like, oh, I'm just going to 2572 02:05:24.520 --> 02:05:26.600 soak it in because you know, people love me. This 2573 02:05:26.760 --> 02:05:28.560 was almost like I'm going to soak it in because 2574 02:05:28.720 --> 02:05:31.039 time is running out. It was just the impression I 2575 02:05:31.119 --> 02:05:32.720 got from his from his look. 2576 02:05:32.960 --> 02:05:36.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I kind of noticed that too. 2577 02:05:37.239 --> 02:05:39.359 You know, that was kind of something that you know, 2578 02:05:39.520 --> 02:05:42.239 I noticed it. I didn't think too much about it, 2579 02:05:43.239 --> 02:05:44.000 but you know, we'll see. 2580 02:05:44.039 --> 02:05:45.600 I mean, they announced him that he's going to be 2581 02:05:45.680 --> 02:05:47.920 the full one of the full time commentaries for Rampage, 2582 02:05:48.000 --> 02:05:50.399 so maybe he was going to do a skill scale 2583 02:05:50.479 --> 02:05:53.279 back schedule, you know, I mean, we'll see. 2584 02:05:54.039 --> 02:05:55.520 Well, is that is that that age where it's like 2585 02:05:55.680 --> 02:05:59.079 any yeah, any day it could be his his last 2586 02:05:59.159 --> 02:06:01.880 one and so yeah, I mean it's it's it's kind 2587 02:06:01.920 --> 02:06:03.720 of cool to see him on the Sweet Week basis, 2588 02:06:03.760 --> 02:06:06.439 and and the matches aren't are are great of course, 2589 02:06:06.560 --> 02:06:09.399 but you know, with him, it it's sometimes it just 2590 02:06:09.439 --> 02:06:11.920 doesn't matter. He's got that he's just got that connection 2591 02:06:12.039 --> 02:06:13.640 and so he doesn't have to have a four star 2592 02:06:13.720 --> 02:06:16.279 classic every night out how You're sorry, go ahead. 2593 02:06:18.359 --> 02:06:20.199 Yeah, and I'm not and I'm not think he's gonna 2594 02:06:20.199 --> 02:06:22.279 be gone forever, but pretty much like the regular schedule 2595 02:06:22.279 --> 02:06:26.279 that you know, particularly schedule he's had recently. Yeah, but 2596 02:06:26.520 --> 02:06:28.359 definitely you know, you know, so you know, because I 2597 02:06:28.560 --> 02:06:32.079 mean even even Mark Henry and uh and a big 2598 02:06:32.159 --> 02:06:34.760 show still want to wrestle. So I wouldn't be surprised, 2599 02:06:34.880 --> 02:06:36.520 you know, we'll get one offs with each of those 2600 02:06:36.560 --> 02:06:38.640 guys at some point for like a you know, for 2601 02:06:38.800 --> 02:06:40.479 for a pay per view. Maybe maybe each of them 2602 02:06:40.640 --> 02:06:41.159 take a pay. 2603 02:06:41.039 --> 02:06:41.920 Per view for themselves. 2604 02:06:42.760 --> 02:06:45.960 Uh yeah, where they'll they'll perform one payer view each 2605 02:06:46.680 -->

02:06:50.399 uh but uh but yeah, so I'm just I'm just 2606 02:06:50.479 --> 02:06:53.800 soaking it in for now, you know, with the warts 2607 02:06:53.800 --> 02:06:54.600 and everything. 2608 02:06:57.680 --> 02:07:00.239 On Adam Page. 2609 02:07:00.520 --> 02:07:03.720 Uh yeah, I think they're going to pivot to the 2610 02:07:03.760 --> 02:07:05.600 Young Bucks. With the Young Bucks, I had the same 2611 02:07:05.640 --> 02:07:08.439 thought as the Young Bucks saying there's nobody for us 2612 02:07:08.760 --> 02:07:12.239 that it's going to be Paige and likely at first 2613 02:07:13.079 --> 02:07:19.000 it's going to be uh Frank Gazarian. But I think 2614 02:07:19.279 --> 02:07:22.439 that for the pay per view one name that wasn't mentioned, 2615 02:07:24.000 --> 02:07:24.600 Adam Cole. 2616 02:07:25.960 --> 02:07:33.439 Hmmm, maybe that would be that would be something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2617 02:07:34.680 --> 02:07:34.960 I don't know. 2618 02:07:35.079 --> 02:07:37.359 Well, yeah, I mean, didn't he say that he was 2619 02:07:37.399 --> 02:07:39.239 going to be with the company or they said that 2620 02:07:39.319 --> 02:07:41.640 he was going to be with the company, you know, 2621 02:07:41.800 --> 02:07:42.760 through SummerSlam? 2622 02:07:42.880 --> 02:07:43.319 So what is that? 2623 02:07:43.520 --> 02:07:47.720 That's August twenty first, Yeah, that would be a couple. 2624 02:07:48.359 --> 02:07:53.840 Yeah, and my understanding is that it's that he basically 2625 02:07:54.000 --> 02:07:55.840 doing that as long as didn't get the no compete 2626 02:07:55.840 --> 02:07:59.880 and that's two weeks later, so you can essentially have 2627 02:08:00.039 --> 02:08:02.680 have a you know, you could have a one of those, 2628 02:08:03.920 --> 02:08:06.600 uh for what they call it, uh the where you 2629 02:08:06.760 --> 02:08:08.800 challenge and if you win, you get a title shot. 2630 02:08:08.840 --> 02:08:13.239 If you lose, you you you can't the eliminator uh contender. 2631 02:08:13.800 --> 02:08:14.079 They call it. 2632 02:08:14.840 --> 02:08:17.760 It's championship contender match. Javier, that's what you're looking for, 2633 02:08:17.920 --> 02:08:19.159 championship contender match. 2634 02:08:21.359 --> 02:08:25.039 Well, yes, sort of, sort of, there's a specific it's 2635 02:08:25.079 --> 02:08:28.960 it's a thin elimination championship contender matches because if you lose, 2636 02:08:29.039 --> 02:08:33.239 you cannot challenge that team ever again. And uh so 2637 02:08:33.279 --> 02:08:34.800 they could do one of those. He can win it 2638 02:08:34.920 --> 02:08:36.560 and then just say, oh but we never you never 2639 02:08:36.600 --> 02:08:38.880 said my techning partner is going to be and then 2640 02:08:39.079 --> 02:08:41.880 you know, you have two weeks build with with Adam Cole. 2641 02:08:41.920 --> 02:08:44.960 If if if that weekend is Adamicals last weekend, uh 2642 02:08:45.079 --> 02:08:47.239 in ww, it's easy jump ship. 2643 02:08:47.319 --> 02:08:47.439 You know. 2644 02:08:47.520 --> 02:08:48.479 That's that's that's. 2645 02:08:48.800 --> 02:08:50.760 Assuming I don't think it's gonna be Punk, because I 2646 02:08:50.800 --> 02:08:53.199 think Punk is going to be the whole The whole 2647 02:08:53.239 --> 02:08:55.840 reason to get the page out of the main event 2648 02:08:55.960 --> 02:08:58.039 is because I think Punk is gonna end up either 2649 02:08:58.119 --> 02:09:00.840 Punk or Daniel Brian is gonna end up being uh 2650 02:09:02.039 --> 02:09:06.039 uh headlining with Omega at the pay per view because 2651 02:09:06.079 --> 02:09:08.920 the first Dance two things I can see happening in 2652 02:09:08.960 --> 02:09:12.359 first dance, because because Dardia Allen's obviously gonna be Punk's 2653 02:09:12.399 --> 02:09:17.600 first bonet at first Dance likely and then uh, Christy 2654 02:09:17.640 --> 02:09:20.079 and Cage and Omega would be the main event. And 2655 02:09:20.199 --> 02:09:24.920 then after Omega wins his his actual challenger for the 2656 02:09:24.920 --> 02:09:27.680 pay per views to show up, which would probably be there. 2657 02:09:27.800 --> 02:09:29.800 You know, my guess would be the most likely Punk. 2658 02:09:30.119 --> 02:09:32.760 The only reason I don't think it might be Daniel 2659 02:09:32.800 --> 02:09:36.720 Bryan because we've got g one right around the corner, 2660 02:09:36.760 --> 02:09:37.960 and I don't know if you might want to get 2661 02:09:38.000 --> 02:09:42.359 involved in that so uh because G one starts like 2662 02:09:42.399 --> 02:09:45.119 two weeks apt for that, so I and you know, 2663 02:09:45.279 --> 02:09:48.000 bringing him both, I mean, what are you really doing? 2664 02:09:48.039 --> 02:09:50.560 And to bring him both like at the same exact time. 2665 02:09:51.439 --> 02:09:52.199 I think it's better. 2666 02:09:52.279 --> 02:09:53.840 You know, if if uh. 2667 02:09:55.600 --> 02:09:58.439 Brian wants to get his new Japan legs under him 2668 02:09:58.439 --> 02:10:00.720 and he wants to, you know, go and do G 2669 02:10:00.920 --> 02:10:03.079 one if he wants to, and then after g one, 2670 02:10:03.159 --> 02:10:06.640 then show up at a w Yeah. 2671 02:10:06.680 --> 02:10:08.359 I definitely think you want to stagger. I think that's 2672 02:10:08.399 --> 02:10:11.720 the right strategy. I agree for sure. You know, as 2673 02:10:11.760 --> 02:10:13.800 fun as it as shocking as it would be to 2674 02:10:13.840 --> 02:10:17.199 see them but close together, just from a business perspective, 2675 02:10:17.199 --> 02:10:20.239 it's you know, separate that out. You know, both those 2676 02:10:20.279 --> 02:10:23.560 guys will draw good numbers and and and dollars, so 2677 02:10:24.119 --> 02:10:26.319 you know, yeah, you've got to absolutely I agree with 2678 02:10:26.399 --> 02:10:31.640 you one hundred percent. Anything else man, uh. 2679 02:10:32.000 --> 02:10:35.239 Well and speak Yeah, speaking of

pivoting, I I liked 2680 02:10:35.279 --> 02:10:40.439 how they worked dashes injury into dash right, like I 2681 02:10:40.560 --> 02:10:45.199 keep getting I'm confused or the docksh cash cash his 2682 02:10:45.399 --> 02:10:49.039 injury Yeah cash cash great. 2683 02:10:48.880 --> 02:10:49.439 Cash on me? 2684 02:10:49.720 --> 02:10:56.680 Yeah, okay, yeah that guy, Uh, you know, I like 2685 02:10:56.760 --> 02:11:00.119 how they worked his injury into the storyline that we're telling, Like, oh, 2686 02:11:00.199 --> 02:11:02.720 they did it on purpose, and uh it was nice 2687 02:11:02.760 --> 02:11:04.800 pivots for that too, you know what work work was 2688 02:11:04.960 --> 02:11:08.279 what was an unfortunate situation into into the story's benefit. 2689 02:11:10.640 --> 02:11:12.359 Yeah, I thought it was really well done. That was 2690 02:11:12.600 --> 02:11:14.279 one of my notes here. I thought that's I think 2691 02:11:14.319 --> 02:11:16.399 one of the highlight of the show, to be honest, Like, 2692 02:11:16.600 --> 02:11:19.439 I just thought the intensity of the promo was good, 2693 02:11:19.560 --> 02:11:22.960 and both teams were like made sense with with kind 2694 02:11:23.000 --> 02:11:26.079 of the angles that they took everything that happened last week, 2695 02:11:26.159 --> 02:11:30.000 and even even Santana and Ortiz, like we're able to 2696 02:11:30.279 --> 02:11:32.920 kind of still own what happened in a way that 2697 02:11:33.439 --> 02:11:36.199 kept the feud hot, you know. And so I thought 2698 02:11:36.199 --> 02:11:37.760 it was a really good piece of good piece of 2699 02:11:37.800 --> 02:11:38.479 work top to bottom. 2700 02:11:38.560 --> 02:11:41.319 Jill, Yeah, I like the way that they pulled it 2701 02:11:41.399 --> 02:11:43.920 off because you know, I mean, definitely we want to 2702 02:11:43.960 --> 02:11:46.119 see this match and it's full incarnation, right, I mean, 2703 02:11:46.119 --> 02:11:48.880 because we definitely feel like we got cheated out of, 2704 02:11:49.039 --> 02:11:51.520 you know, not seeing everything that was supposed to happen here. 2705 02:11:51.560 --> 02:11:53.960 And so I think it works, you know, letting people know, 2706 02:11:54.319 --> 02:11:56.039 like all right, in a week or a couple of 2707 02:11:56.039 --> 02:11:57.479 weeks from now, you're going to be able to see 2708 02:11:57.520 --> 02:11:58.880 the full thing as it was intended. 2709 02:11:59.760 --> 02:12:01.479 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I agree? 2710 02:12:02.800 --> 02:12:03.159 Have you here? 2711 02:12:03.239 --> 02:12:03.520 What else? 2712 02:12:06.079 --> 02:12:06.800 A quick note? 2713 02:12:07.720 --> 02:12:11.199 Was there anyone in the arena as happy as Eddie 2714 02:12:11.279 --> 02:12:12.520 Kingston sharing the ring was saying? 2715 02:12:12.640 --> 02:12:15.920 Because I mean that dude was I noticed that too. 2716 02:12:16.439 --> 02:12:19.279 He made him do the yell thing at the end. 2717 02:12:24.000 -->

02:12:24.800 I thought that was cool. 2718 02:12:24.800 --> 02:12:25.119 But what what? 2719 02:12:26.159 --> 02:12:28.479 That's the thing I like about a w is you 2720 02:12:28.600 --> 02:12:30.920 get moments like that of people being honest and being 2721 02:12:30.960 --> 02:12:31.640 true to themselves. 2722 02:12:32.239 --> 02:12:34.119 Uh that that was just so cool? 2723 02:12:34.640 --> 02:12:36.560 That was that was really cool. I'm glad you pouted 2724 02:12:36.560 --> 02:12:38.439 it out because I noticed it too. And if you have, 2725 02:12:38.840 --> 02:12:41.199 if anybody out there listening missed it, go go back 2726 02:12:41.239 --> 02:12:44.640 and watch the just as the match finished, just all 2727 02:12:44.720 --> 02:12:47.239 the happenings in the ring, and Eddie Kingston does he 2728 02:12:47.359 --> 02:12:50.000 looks like just a kid seeing his hero for the 2729 02:12:50.039 --> 02:12:52.159 first time and making him do the you know, the 2730 02:12:52.239 --> 02:12:53.920 patented sting yell. 2731 02:12:54.039 --> 02:12:54.479 It is. 2732 02:12:54.640 --> 02:12:57.119 It is great. He's got just the the best look 2733 02:12:57.159 --> 02:12:58.720 on his face. You're you're so right about that? 2734 02:12:58.800 --> 02:12:59.319 Have here. 2735 02:13:02.319 --> 02:13:02.560 Also? 2736 02:13:02.640 --> 02:13:02.880 That's like? 2737 02:13:02.960 --> 02:13:05.720 But I also uh got a kick out of the 2738 02:13:05.800 --> 02:13:07.880 referee raising things hand and yeah. 2739 02:13:08.560 --> 02:13:14.479 She was like, oh, man, like, raise these guys hands. 2740 02:13:14.520 --> 02:13:15.159 I did nothing. 2741 02:13:17.920 --> 02:13:19.760 Yeah, so I got I got. 2742 02:13:19.880 --> 02:13:20.720 I got a kick out of that. 2743 02:13:23.319 --> 02:13:23.800 Uh yeah. 2744 02:13:23.840 --> 02:13:27.279 And and then for the uh someone brought up Ruby 2745 02:13:27.359 --> 02:13:30.479 soo she she. I think she's another top tier contender 2746 02:13:30.600 --> 02:13:36.520 for uh uh for uh Baker. I had been thinking 2747 02:13:36.880 --> 02:13:42.439 who in UH on Impact would also come out? 2748 02:13:42.560 --> 02:13:43.119 Would be good. 2749 02:13:43.199 --> 02:13:46.159 I don't think I like the idea of Deanna Parazzo 2750 02:13:46.239 --> 02:13:50.399 versus her, but Jordan Grace would be another good opponent 2751 02:13:50.439 --> 02:13:52.000 for her if if they want to, you know, open 2752 02:13:52.079 --> 02:13:56.279 the forbidden door in that direction. So that's the one 2753 02:13:56.319 --> 02:13:59.920 thing I've kind of like lamented is not seeing more 2754 02:14:00.119 --> 02:14:01.760 or because you know, they have a lot of women 2755 02:14:01.840 --> 02:14:04.960 like on Dark, why not send some of them over 2756 02:14:05.039 --> 02:14:08.119 to Impact and help them build their characters and stuff. 2757 02:14:08.239 --> 02:14:10.680 So that's the one thing that you know, it's like, 2758 02:14:10.760 --> 02:14:13.319 you know, you're your occasionally sending people over, why not 2759 02:14:13.439 --> 02:14:14.560 send you know, some woman too. 2760 02:14:15.680 --> 02:14:17.880 Yeah. I have to think that that's probably coming. I mean, 2761 02:14:18.239 --> 02:14:20.439 you know, I guess I don't have anything to base 2762 02:14:20.520 --> 02:14:22.720 that off of, but they've been training talent, you know, 2763 02:14:22.880 --> 02:14:24.960 back and forth, left and right. I got to think 2764 02:14:25.000 --> 02:14:27.520 at some point that will happen, and it might be like, 2765 02:14:27.720 --> 02:14:30.920 you know, somebody like Carazo just to make it fully impactful. 2766 02:14:30.960 --> 02:14:33.800 But I think you're right. I mean, there's talent on 2767 02:14:33.880 --> 02:14:36.760 the AW roster that could use extra work in front 2768 02:14:36.760 --> 02:14:38.319 of different audiences, So I think it. 2769 02:14:39.000 --> 02:14:39.319 I don't know. 2770 02:14:39.439 --> 02:14:40.439 I think it's a matter of time. 2771 02:14:42.279 --> 02:14:44.199 You know, that last segment you're just listening to and 2772 02:14:44.319 --> 02:14:46.359 the next one that you're waiting to listen to, those 2773 02:14:46.439 --> 02:14:48.880 can be one second apart. With the VP membership, you 2774 02:14:48.920 --> 02:14:51.760 can unlock our commercial free versions of our shows. 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That we're actually 2787 02:15:31.600 --> 02:15:35.199 having the impact titles tag titles being defended on AW. 2788 02:15:35.439 --> 02:15:38.680 That's just I don't know, it's for some reason. I 2789 02:15:39.039 --> 02:15:42.039 mentioned this, I took it to email us in the way, 2790 02:15:42.119 --> 02:15:45.119 But for some reason, when I see somebody else's title 2791 02:15:45.239 --> 02:15:47.039 being defended on a different program, I don't know. 2792 02:15:47.159 --> 02:15:48.520 It's it's so much cooler that. 2793 02:15:48.560 --> 02:15:50.359 It happened, you know,

because it was a ton of 2794 02:15:50.359 --> 02:15:52.039 Hanchy thing. I thought the ton of Hanshy was going 2795 02:15:52.119 --> 02:15:55.680 to be challenging archer on AW and I'm like, that's 2796 02:15:55.680 --> 02:15:57.359 gonna be awesome, and I'm like, oh, it's researchers. I 2797 02:15:57.399 --> 02:15:58.840 was like, we'll have to do tran show. 2798 02:15:59.279 --> 02:15:59.880 That's kind of cool. 2799 02:15:59.880 --> 02:16:00.479 I guess. 2800 02:16:02.760 --> 02:16:03.800 There is a novelty there. 2801 02:16:03.920 --> 02:16:10.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, it's weird. 2802 02:16:10.720 --> 02:16:12.920 It's like, I think, if if they just changed all 2803 02:16:12.960 --> 02:16:15.840 the titles and just traded titles, just use the company's. 2804 02:16:15.520 --> 02:16:17.399 Titles, I think I'd love the I'd love the copany 2805 02:16:17.479 --> 02:16:19.079 for just some unfathomable reason. 2806 02:16:22.600 --> 02:16:26.000 Yeah, but uh yeah, I think that's pretty much covers everything. 2807 02:16:26.880 --> 02:16:29.439 Yeah. No, we did, we did. We did a good job, 2808 02:16:29.560 --> 02:16:31.800 Thank you very much. And you're uh, you're about to 2809 02:16:31.840 --> 02:16:33.840 be a busy guy with with the g One coming 2810 02:16:33.959 --> 02:16:34.399 up for sure. 2811 02:16:35.559 --> 02:16:38.239 Oh yeah, yeah, I probably won't be calling these things 2812 02:16:38.440 --> 02:16:40.399 as often as I want to keep up with them. 2813 02:16:40.399 --> 02:16:41.680 And you know, I've been a little bit. 2814 02:16:42.040 --> 02:16:44.520 Uh the uture pan for I Pockets got kind of 2815 02:16:44.520 --> 02:16:48.639 bi weekly just because of work issues. But uh uh 2816 02:16:49.120 --> 02:16:51.559 but yeah, I'm hoping I'm hoping they get clear for 2817 02:16:51.639 --> 02:16:53.000 time for the g One. I mean, I'm taking that 2818 02:16:53.040 --> 02:16:56.399 first week of vacation uh of the g one uh 2819 02:16:56.559 --> 02:17:00.559 as vacation, so uh so I can get used to 2820 02:17:00.680 --> 02:17:08.440 this gronkil Uh When when did I forgot which was 2821 02:17:08.520 --> 02:17:10.719 actually on the show, But did you guys catch the 2822 02:17:11.959 --> 02:17:14.840 the uh major PBR commercial? 2823 02:17:17.040 --> 02:17:19.360 I did not, but I heard all about it on Twitter. 2824 02:17:19.399 --> 02:17:19.600 I did. 2825 02:17:19.760 --> 02:17:21.399 I missed that because I was a little bit behind 2826 02:17:21.600 --> 02:17:23.600 at fast forwardy through commercials. That was so it was 2827 02:17:23.959 --> 02:17:28.159 it was Gauge in Cardona, right, it. 2828 02:17:28.280 --> 02:17:32.760 Was Cardona, Brian Myers, Chelsea Greenborn Swaggle, and there was 2829 02:17:32.799 --> 02:17:33.879 another person I don't think it was. 2830 02:17:34.159 --> 02:17:35.159 I don't think it was Gage. 2831 02:17:35.159 --> 02:17:38.079 It was somebody else. I just really couldn't get a 2832 02:17:38.079 -->

02:17:41.079 good look at him. So but yeah, so that that 2833 02:17:41.319 --> 02:17:44.639 was just kind of I'm like, well, okay, they lost Dominoes, 2834 02:17:44.639 --> 02:17:47.479 but they got they got something else and just I mean, 2835 02:17:47.840 --> 02:17:52.559 you wouldn't see this in the WWE Wrestlers, you know, 2836 02:17:52.639 --> 02:17:56.000 doing these commercials without it being like you know, super 2837 02:17:56.120 --> 02:17:58.319 signed and delivered, you know, you know, but you know 2838 02:17:58.399 --> 02:17:59.319 and rubber stamp for. 2839 02:17:59.319 --> 02:17:59.760 The w W. 2840 02:18:01.239 --> 02:18:03.479 Oh yeah, no, for sure not And yeah, I know 2841 02:18:03.760 --> 02:18:05.520 this was cool. I got to go check it out 2842 02:18:05.879 --> 02:18:07.440 at some point because I did miss it. But yeah, 2843 02:18:07.520 --> 02:18:10.040 I mean that's it was. 2844 02:18:10.799 --> 02:18:11.040 It was. 2845 02:18:11.399 --> 02:18:13.239 It was a hot match for that that weekend. I 2846 02:18:13.239 --> 02:18:15.719 don't know like the staying power that it has, you know, 2847 02:18:16.000 --> 02:18:18.079 or or how much of a broader audience is going 2848 02:18:18.159 --> 02:18:20.319 to bring in, but you know, for that crowd at 2849 02:18:20.319 --> 02:18:23.120 that moment, I mean, it worked, and they're certainly milking 2850 02:18:23.239 --> 02:18:25.239 every every cent out of it that they can get. 2851 02:18:25.680 --> 02:18:25.879 Yeah. 2852 02:18:29.840 --> 02:18:31.639 Oh yes, So that's pretty much all I had. 2853 02:18:31.719 --> 02:18:33.520 So I wish you both a good night. 2854 02:18:35.000 --> 02:18:37.000 Stay for enemies hate on. 2855 02:18:37.239 --> 02:18:41.120 So one hundred, one hundred percent front of these and 2856 02:18:41.120 --> 02:18:47.920 now get off the show. Thanks man, great to talk 2857 02:18:47.959 --> 02:18:51.440 to you as always. All right, Joel, we'll wrap up 2858 02:18:51.479 --> 02:18:53.879 the color portion there. I want to get to one 2859 02:18:53.959 --> 02:18:55.680 email that we haven't been able to to kind of 2860 02:18:55.719 --> 02:18:59.639 squeeze into the Our conversation is from JB from Detroit, 2861 02:18:59.719 --> 02:19:03.239 so we'll finished with this and he goes high Wade 2862 02:19:03.600 --> 02:19:06.120 or Zach. It's for GB from Detroit. Who do you 2863 02:19:06.200 --> 02:19:08.920 think will be the fifth and final surprise labor of Jericho? 2864 02:19:09.079 --> 02:19:11.520 Could it be Punk or Brian? So we debated the 2865 02:19:11.559 --> 02:19:14.120 first part of that question in terms of we're not 2866 02:19:14.239 --> 02:19:17.239 sure if the fifth is MJF or the fourth is 2867 02:19:17.319 --> 02:19:20.399 the end. But assuming that you know MJF had it 2868 02:19:20.440 --> 02:19:23.239 wrong and there's gonna be one more before all out, 2869 02:19:24.639 --> 02:19:26.799 I mean, to you reading the tea leaves of the 2870 02:19:26.879 --> 02:19:31.440 rumors of Punk and Brian coming in, is that in 2871 02:19:31.559 --> 02:19:34.440 the cards in your eyes? As far as who it 2872 02:19:34.520 --> 02:19:36.760 could be, I'm not sure it makes it makes sense, 2873 02:19:36.840 --> 02:19:39.559 but it would it would be a surprise. Yeah, yeah, it. 2874 02:19:39.559 --> 02:19:43.879 Would definitely be a surprise, But I don't it just yeah, 2875 02:19:43.959 --> 02:19:45.879 I don't think that that's the way that you debut 2876 02:19:45.959 --> 02:19:48.000 either of those guys, you know, I mean, sure would 2877 02:19:48.000 --> 02:19:50.079 be cool because Punk had a lot of matches with 2878 02:19:50.280 --> 02:19:53.479 Chris Jericho, but you know that's not really the place 2879 02:19:53.559 --> 02:19:54.239 I would go with that. 2880 02:19:54.440 --> 02:19:57.440 I mean, gosh, yeah, it's it's hard to think. 2881 02:19:57.520 --> 02:20:00.360 I mean, you'd probably be looking, you know, somewhere outside 2882 02:20:00.440 --> 02:20:00.879 the company. 2883 02:20:01.079 --> 02:20:03.399 You know, maybe do you think it could be someone 2884 02:20:03.440 --> 02:20:04.120 from New Japan? 2885 02:20:04.559 --> 02:20:06.799 You know that they could try and bring somebody in 2886 02:20:06.879 --> 02:20:09.719 from there to be that last labor. I mean, I'm 2887 02:20:09.760 --> 02:20:11.920 not sure really, I'd have to look at their roster 2888 02:20:12.040 --> 02:20:14.159 to see who would make sense if there is anybody, 2889 02:20:14.479 --> 02:20:16.239 you know, who's going to be the United States. I 2890 02:20:16.319 --> 02:20:19.879 know that they're having that Resurgence show that's coming up 2891 02:20:19.920 --> 02:20:22.680 pretty shortly, so I mean, I would think that if 2892 02:20:22.719 --> 02:20:25.559 it's going to be, if it's not MJF, it's probably 2893 02:20:25.639 --> 02:20:27.959 going to be someone again who's outside the company, because 2894 02:20:28.040 --> 02:20:31.239 Wardlow is kind of the big monster and so there's 2895 02:20:31.280 --> 02:20:33.600 not really someone else in the Pinnacle that would make 2896 02:20:33.639 --> 02:20:34.639 a whole lot of sense. 2897 02:20:36.360 --> 02:20:38.040 Yeah, I don't know, what do you what do you think, Zach? 2898 02:20:38.120 --> 02:20:41.959 I think probably someone from New Japan or Impact to come. 2899 02:20:41.920 --> 02:20:42.280 In for that. 2900 02:20:43.120 --> 02:20:46.399 Yeah, I mean, punkin Brian would be a surprise, but 2901 02:20:46.520 --> 02:20:50.079 it just does not fit with just everything going on 2902 02:20:50.280 --> 02:20:53.760 and those guys tying themselves to MJF. You know, just 2903 02:20:54.399 --> 02:20:56.360 as cool as a surprise as it would be. I 2904 02:20:56.520 --> 02:20:59.239 just don't think that that's a direction you want to 2905 02:20:59.280 --> 02:21:01.200 go at this point. I mean those those are guys, 2906 02:21:01.719 --> 02:21:04.879 both of them that have to cross paths with MJF

2907 02:21:05.040 --> 02:21:07.879 down the road, you know, like as opponents Like that's 2908 02:21:08.200 --> 02:21:11.319 those are both money matches Punk versus MJF and Brian 2909 02:21:11.399 --> 02:21:13.479 versus MJF. I think, are you know our top matches 2910 02:21:13.520 --> 02:21:15.040 that the company can have, So yeah, I keep them 2911 02:21:15.079 --> 02:21:18.680 far apart. I think somebody from New Japan would be 2912 02:21:20.200 --> 02:21:21.920 kind of if I had to pick, that'd be the 2913 02:21:22.000 --> 02:21:24.280 direction that I would go. I just don't know who 2914 02:21:24.319 --> 02:21:26.440 it would be. I mean, obviously, if you could get 2915 02:21:26.479 --> 02:21:29.600 anybody like somebody like you know that has a connection 2916 02:21:29.719 --> 02:21:32.639 to Jericho's past with that company, like Anito or something 2917 02:21:32.719 --> 02:21:36.280 like that would be obviously tremendous. But I mean that's 2918 02:21:36.959 --> 02:21:39.319 probably out of the realm of possibility at this point. 2919 02:21:39.399 --> 02:21:42.200 But but yeah, I think impact makes sense too. I mean, 2920 02:21:42.239 --> 02:21:44.799 maybe somebody like, you know, a Sammy Callahan or something 2921 02:21:44.879 --> 02:21:47.680 like that. I don't know where W. Morrissey even could 2922 02:21:47.760 --> 02:21:51.639 could potentially work. He's a big guy, heel, So yeah, 2923 02:21:51.799 --> 02:21:55.120 a lot of options, But I I think there's almost 2924 02:21:55.200 --> 02:21:58.000 one hundred percent chance that it's that direction and not 2925 02:21:58.200 --> 02:21:58.879 Punk or Brian. 2926 02:21:59.799 --> 02:22:02.399 Yeah, I mean I'm just really thinking about if it 2927 02:22:02.520 --> 02:22:03.559 is somebody from New Japan. 2928 02:22:03.879 --> 02:22:04.920 It could be somebody. 2929 02:22:04.680 --> 02:22:08.000 Who's on that Resurgence show. I mean they haven't announced Azuki. 2930 02:22:08.280 --> 02:22:09.600 I mean that's the name that a lot of people 2931 02:22:09.639 --> 02:22:11.360 have brought up before. I'd like to see him and 2932 02:22:11.479 --> 02:22:14.440 more involved, you know, bringing him at some point into 2933 02:22:14.479 --> 02:22:18.000 AW I mean, gosh, they just now it's eh, you know, 2934 02:22:20.360 --> 02:22:22.520 And I'm like, man, if you're talking about one to 2935 02:22:22.639 --> 02:22:26.799 have Christ Jericho have one just more awesome, awesome, awesome 2936 02:22:26.959 --> 02:22:30.440 match with somebody who can just have just a hard hitting, 2937 02:22:31.360 --> 02:22:34.000 grueling match before he gets to m j F. I mean, 2938 02:22:34.079 --> 02:22:36.920 like ee would be the big name for the people 2939 02:22:36.959 --> 02:22:39.360 who have been following wrestling, who are watching all the 2940 02:22:39.440 --> 02:22:42.399 different brands. Again, you know, he's not the big mainstream 2941 02:22:42.559 --> 02:22:45.000 name for people who are just watching a

EW or 2942 02:22:45.040 --> 02:22:48.040 coming into it new. But I mean that is the 2943 02:22:48.159 --> 02:22:50.280 probably the guy if I'm looking at Resurgence, who I 2944 02:22:50.319 --> 02:22:51.360 would want to bring in for this. 2945 02:22:52.120 --> 02:22:54.680 Yeah that's a great call. Yep, great call. And yeah 2946 02:22:54.680 --> 02:22:57.840 they did just announce that today, so yeah, yeah, we'll see, 2947 02:22:57.959 --> 02:23:00.440 we'll see. But I guess the answer JB your question, 2948 02:23:01.159 --> 02:23:03.079 I just don't think it could be I mean, could 2949 02:23:03.280 --> 02:23:07.159 it be obviously, yes, but I I would bet that 2950 02:23:07.280 --> 02:23:10.479 it's not. He asked one more question, who will Lambert's 2951 02:23:10.479 --> 02:23:13.639 backup next week? Backup be next week? And what will 2952 02:23:13.920 --> 02:23:18.760 his role in the company be moving forward? Interesting? Yeah, 2953 02:23:18.799 --> 02:23:20.440 this segment kind of felt kind of out of the 2954 02:23:20.479 --> 02:23:23.479 blue because we haven't heard from him since the last 2955 02:23:23.520 --> 02:23:25.680 time he was on the show, which was gosh over 2956 02:23:25.760 --> 02:23:30.040 a month ago. Maybe, So yeah, Joel, your your thoughts. 2957 02:23:31.120 --> 02:23:33.840 Yeah, I mean, it's I'm it's interesting that they are 2958 02:23:33.879 --> 02:23:36.239 bringing back Dan Lambert. I mean, I'm glad that it 2959 02:23:36.360 --> 02:23:38.440 wasn't just like this one off kind of weird thing 2960 02:23:38.520 --> 02:23:40.559 that they're they are doing some follow up with this, 2961 02:23:41.000 --> 02:23:43.120 But I mean just you'd have to look at and 2962 02:23:43.200 --> 02:23:45.520 see who's a part of American Top Team. I mean, 2963 02:23:45.879 --> 02:23:48.479 when he was there, you know, his first appearance, I 2964 02:23:48.520 --> 02:23:51.520 mean he was with Amanda Nuniaz and Joorge Mosfeedal, So 2965 02:23:51.840 --> 02:23:53.520 I mean those would probably be the first. 2966 02:23:53.319 --> 02:23:54.479 People that would come to mind. 2967 02:23:55.200 --> 02:23:57.239 But otherwise you would really have to look at, you know, 2968 02:23:57.360 --> 02:23:59.600 who's also a part of American Top Team. And I 2969 02:23:59.680 --> 02:24:01.959 mean there's they have some other you know, big names, 2970 02:24:02.000 --> 02:24:04.799 I mean like Rosen Shruk is part of it, Dustin 2971 02:24:04.840 --> 02:24:07.120 Poyer just had his big match or his big fight 2972 02:24:07.399 --> 02:24:10.600 against Connor McGregor, So I mean it would just be 2973 02:24:10.840 --> 02:24:13.040 kind of looking at whoever is with them, And I 2974 02:24:13.079 --> 02:24:17.159 mean that's a whole huge list of fighters, you know 2975 02:24:17.280 --> 02:24:19.440 that that would be on American Top Team. 2976 02:24:20.399 --> 02:24:22.959 Yeah. Yeah, It'll be interesting to see where this goes. 2977 02:24:23.040 --> 02:24:25.000 I don't know that I have a definitive idea of 2978 02:24:25.079 --> 02:24:27.920 what his role is moving forward. I think it's it 2979 02:24:28.040 --> 02:24:30.840 may just be, you know, to provide, like you said, 2980 02:24:30.879 --> 02:24:34.280 that connectivity to that scene. You know, to see if 2981 02:24:34.440 --> 02:24:37.000 like you can pull some eyeballs from people that you 2982 02:24:37.040 --> 02:24:39.520 know are watching MMA. Like I kind of think that's 2983 02:24:40.120 --> 02:24:42.879 the root of this. And i mean my expectations aren't 2984 02:24:43.040 --> 02:24:44.360 you know, aren't huge on this jewel? 2985 02:24:45.479 --> 02:24:47.719 Yeah, I mean I'm not expecting it to be like 2986 02:24:47.799 --> 02:24:49.319 a huge thing, but I'm like, man, if you can 2987 02:24:49.399 --> 02:24:51.760 still like utilize, you know, like a name like Nunia 2988 02:24:51.840 --> 02:24:54.239 is a moss feed all, Like, I don't know how 2989 02:24:54.319 --> 02:24:57.040 many eyeballs it brings over from people who watch MMA. 2990 02:24:57.120 --> 02:24:58.719 I don't know how many people kind of cross. So 2991 02:24:59.120 --> 02:25:01.200 I know that there's a loteople who watch wrestling and. 2992 02:25:01.239 --> 02:25:03.600 Then go into MMA, but I'm not sure how you know, 2993 02:25:03.760 --> 02:25:05.840 vice versa if it works the other way around. But 2994 02:25:06.879 --> 02:25:08.799 as far as just being a wrestling fan, like I've 2995 02:25:08.799 --> 02:25:11.520 said before, like I'm open to seeing more UFC fires 2996 02:25:11.520 --> 02:25:13.440 a part of it, Like I think it brings just 2997 02:25:13.559 --> 02:25:16.120 another like cool factor because I feel like UFC is 2998 02:25:16.159 --> 02:25:18.319 like really on fire right now. I mean they've just 2999 02:25:18.399 --> 02:25:22.120 had kickass show after kickass show that I think just 3000 02:25:22.159 --> 02:25:25.319 like bringing more of those guys into the fold, you know, 3001 02:25:25.520 --> 02:25:26.399 is only a positive. 3002 02:25:27.159 --> 02:25:30.920 Yeah, yep, yep, yep. I agree. All right, man, let's 3003 02:25:30.920 --> 02:25:33.239 put a ball on it right there. Thanks to the callers, 3004 02:25:33.360 --> 02:25:36.639 thanks to our emailers, Joel, thanks to you take a 3005 02:25:36.719 --> 02:25:39.559 minute here and just talk about all the great work 3006 02:25:39.600 --> 02:25:42.520 you do for PW Torch and PW torch dot Com 3007 02:25:43.159 --> 02:25:45.680 on a regular basis, including your social media. 3008 02:25:47.159 --> 02:25:49.200 Yeah, so you can follow me at my social media. 3009 02:25:49.280 --> 02:25:51.159 I haven't been keeping up with as much. Like I've 3010 02:25:51.319 --> 02:25:53.479 mentioned before, I'm kind of in a move, but as 3011 02:25:53.559 --> 02:25:55.879 things start to settle down a little bit, I'll definitely 3012 02:25:56.040 --> 02:25:57.360 circle back to social media. 3013 02:25:57.520 -->

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