Full Transcript for Paranormal Spectrum #100 The Meadow and other High Strangeness with Guest Trey Hudson

Community Library 69 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:01.800 October thirtieth, just in time for Halloween. So that's what 70 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:04.360 we got coming up here, guys. But today we have 71 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:07.399 an awesome guest and looking forward to having a great 72 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:25.519 chat with him, So let's get to it. My guest 73 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:28.560 today is Trey Hudson. He serves as the director of 74 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:33.800 the Anomalous Studies and Observation Group ASOG, where he leads 75 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:40.079 multidisciplinary investigations into strange phenomenon by balancing rigorous empirical data 76 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:45.000 with human experiencer perspectives. His professional foundation is rooted in 77 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:49.519 a blend of humanistic psychology and high level security, having 78 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:53.560 graduated from the University of West Georgia before commission commissioning 79 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:58.639 as a United States Army Military intelligence officer. Over a 80 00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:02.839 distinguished career, Trey has transitioned into federal service, retiring in 81 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:09.160 two thousand and three as a super Supervisory Security Specialist 82 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:13.560 for the Department of Defense with expertise and counterintelligence, anti terrorism, 83 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:17.839 and emergency management. A decorated veteran who served in Afghanistan 84 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:24.399 and earned numerous civilian service medals, he also serves also 85 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:28.600 holds diverse certifications as a rescue diver, EMS, first aid responder, 86 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:32.279 and amateur radio operator. Today, he resides in southern United States, 87 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:36.319 applying his extensive background in intelligence and human behavior to 88 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:39.759 the study of the anomalist. Ladies and gentlemen, Please welcome 89 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:43.959 to the show. Trey Hudson Srey welcome. Thanks for being Yeah, Barbie, 90 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:45.680 thanks for having me. You make me sound a whole 91 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:48.079 lot more interesting than I actually am. You know, I'm 92 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:50.279 just you want to tell people, I'm just a guy, 93 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:52.439 you know, a regular guy who has just had some 94 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:57.839 extraordinary opportunities of my life and have had stumbled blindly, 95 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:01.959 you know, into some extraordinary occurrences and as we say, 96 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:03.480 down here in the South. 97 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:08.399 Even once in a while a blind hog finds an acorn, 98 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:10.480 so you know, that's why I get lucky every once 99 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:13.079 in a while. So thank you for that very kind introduction. 100 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:16.480

Absolutely you you were kind enough to send me your bio, 101 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:18.600 which is almost a page and a half long, so 102 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:21.680 I had to I had to sht you think that's 103 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:24.639 an impressive bio. In the show notes is the full version, 104 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:30.240 so anybody can check that out. But you have amazing career. 105 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:33.720 I just just done some cool stuff in my life. 106 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:35.519 I was, you know, I've just been blessed and uh, 107 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:39.000 you know, enjoyed most of it, you know, and some 108 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:41.279 of it I didn't enjoy, but you know, got to 109 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:43.440 got to learn a lot of stuff. And uh but 110 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:47.200 I tell people, you know, that was my uh, that 111 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:50.919 was my job with a lowercase jay, you know, thirty 112 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:55.679 four years with federal the federal government. This is my vocation, 113 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:59.480 you know, being a weird crapologist. That's this is what 114 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:02.080 I really like doing. I like writing and speaking about it. 115 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:05.039 So once again, thanks for having me, and you know, 116 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:10.960 hopefully your your audience will be at most enlightened and 117 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:12.120 at least entertained. 118 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:18.000 That's all we can hope for awesome. So with all 119 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:20.759 that being said, like I've been spending the last week 120 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:23.919 listening to every interview that you've been on talking about 121 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:30.720 talking about the Metal Project, right, and so I like 122 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.120 to keep my shows fresh. I know, like you know, 123 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:35.080 I do a lot of interviews and stuff. I know 124 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:37.960 from listening that you've done a lot of interviews, and 125 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:41.799 it's it's primarily the same thing. And I don't mean 126 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:44.120 that in a bad way, but everyone asks you questions, 127 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:46.879 everyone these same stories and stuff. So I've tried to 128 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:50.480 compile some interesting stuff that maybe you haven't spoken about before, 129 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:54.000 and some questions that my show will bring to the 130 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:57.440 forefront that other people haven't or you know, so hopefully 131 00:09:57.519 --> 00:09:59.799 everyone kind of has a background of who you are 132 00:09:59.879 --> 00:10:04.240 and Metal Project and stuff. So before we get to that, though, 133 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:06.320 you're going to be with me in a couple of 134 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:09.879 weeks here in Wisconsin at the Contact Modalities Expo. What 135 00:10:10.440

--> 00:10:11.720 are you talking about the Metal there? 136 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:16.080 Yeah, I'm actually talking about the Metal Project, Uh, but 137 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:20.399 I'm looking at it through the optics of contact, and 138 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:24.240 the presentation is going to be the Metal Project Evolution 139 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:27.919 of a Contact and it's going to be talking about 140 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:32.360 how we have basically and this is going to sound cheesy, 141 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:34.159 so you know, just go ahead and get a sandwich 142 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:35.679 and a piece of meat to put the cheese on, 143 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:38.399 because it's going to sound really cheesy. But it's how 144 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:42.200 we have developed, well, I think, is a rapport with 145 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:45.559 this NHI, you know, and we have you know, have 146 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:49.320 contacted with it. We you know, don't really have a 147 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:53.320 really good idea of what the other's agenda is, but 148 00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:55.679 it's it's how that's evolved throughout the years, over the 149 00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:58.799 past ten years of the Metal project. Uh, and then 150 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:03.039 it culminates and so of our latest experiments using a 151 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:06.399 variation of the God Helmet, which was designed by doctor 152 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:10.159 Michael Persinger and Stanley Coren at Laurel And University there 153 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:14.120 up there in Canada. And to make things extra super 154 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:17.360 special for attendees of the expo is I'm bringing that 155 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:20.399 piece of equipment with me and a few lucky people 156 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:23.720 will have an opportunity to actually go through a God 157 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:24.879 Helmet session themselves. 158 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:29.639 That's cool. That's really cool. So okay, I do want 159 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:33.200 to touch back here a little bit, just really briefly, 160 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:35.879 for anybody that isn't familiar with it, What is the 161 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:36.679 Metal Project. 162 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:40.919 Yeah. The Metal Project basically is a ten year study 163 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:47.159 by the anomal Studies an Observation group of a blue 164 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:50.360 Collic meadow. I mean it's a mountain meadow here in 165 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:55.279 the South, absolutely beautiful, gorgeous place that we sort of 166 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:59.039 stumbled into. We were kind of looking at things kind 167 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:03.120 of along the crypt did in ghosty you know, folkloric side, 168 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:06.759 and I was working with a pretty well known cryptuh 169 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:11.200 cryptologist named Bob Wilson who was in the TV show Uh, 170 00:12:11.279

--> 00:12:13.879 you know, Bigfoot is real, uh known here in the 171 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:18.120 South as Bob Grumpy Wilson and uh and we just 172 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:20.519 sort of, you know, found this area and it turned 173 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:24.600 out it was a jackpot of geo concentrations of high strangeness, 174 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:29.679 and you know, it took us by surprise, quite frankly, 175 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:34.159 and uh, we had to adjust our protocols a little bit. 176 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:38.519 And then we developed a very robust investigative cadre you know, 177 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:41.840 called a SAG and we've been looking at that for 178 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:44.440 the past ten years. And the cool thing about what 179 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:46.600 we do, and you kind of touched on it earlier, 180 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:50.960 is we balanced the empirical with the experiential, you know, 181 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:54.200 because I think both are equally as important, and we're 182 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:57.720 not afraid to bring toolboxes from other disciplines, like we'll 183 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:00.840 bring your paranormal like the SD's protoc We'll bring that in, 184 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:03.480 you know, We'll we'll bring some of the uh you know, 185 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:07.200 the stuff that organizations like MOFIN used to investigate and research. 186 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:10.080 We'll bring those things in and really try to approach 187 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:12.480 it from a very holistic point of view. 188 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:16.960 Absolutely, So you have we're to talk about this really 189 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:20.759 quick too as well. You have the Metal Project documentary 190 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:21.639 has just come out. 191 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:25.960 Yeah, yep, uh, you go ahead. 192 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:26.600 Do you have anything else? 193 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:29.279 Oh no, it's uh you know, we worked with uh 194 00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:34.000 Dark Collar Studios and Tony Merkle and uh from the 195 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:37.679 Confessionals podcast and uh it. I was very pleased with 196 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:39.120 the way it came out. And now, yeah, I'm not 197 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:41.840 going to give it away. There's kind of a little 198 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:44.799 twisterroo at the end of it that kind of takes 199 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:48.759 everybody by surprise and and re establishes that you know, 200 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:51.360 the NHI you know, wants us to know that it's 201 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:54.120 still there, you know, it's still uh watching and waiting 202 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:58.200 and uh so, yeah, very pleased with the documentary. You know, 203 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:00.759 both books have done very well. So yeah, I just 204 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:04.519 love getting the story out and uh, you know, you know, 205 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:07.720 basically having people you know, live the experience with me 206 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:09.559 very cool. 207 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:12.399 As you mentioned, you have two books, the Metal Project. 208 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:15.080 The first one and then the second one, Returned to 209 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:18.919 the Metal, are both available. The links for both books 210 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:22.200 and the documentary ire in the show notes for anybody 211 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:23.159 that's interested. 212 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:24.279 Are down below. 213 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:29.639 In the notes absolutely are all right. So basically, this, 214 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:33.039 this medal is kind of similar to what everyone's familiar with, 215 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:34.679 the Skinwalker Ranch phenomenon. 216 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:39.080 Yeah, it's uh, you know, it's Ryan Skinner, the man 217 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:43.080 who literally wrote the book on Skinwalker Ranch starting way 218 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:45.960 back in the early you know, two thousands. It compares 219 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:48.559 it to Skinwalker Ranch, you know. And he you know, 220 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:51.360 he's a big, big fan of the Metal Project from 221 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:54.399 from the get go. And you know, while we were 222 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:57.000 investigating it and we started having all this weird stuff 223 00:14:57.080 --> 00:14:59.960 happened to us, uh, you know, I did have this epift. 224 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:02.360 I'm like, okay, this kind of reminds me of another 225 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:05.000 place where weird crap, you know, a wide variety of 226 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:06.000 weird stuff happens. 227 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:06.720 Uh. 228 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:09.399 And it's you know, it's been nicknamed the Skinwalker Ranch 229 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:11.000 of the South. The only difference is I don't have 230 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:15.080 Robert Bigelow or Brandon Fugel's budget, you know to really, uh, 231 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:18.000 to really dig into it. And this is also on 232 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:21.480 public property, you know, public land, so I can't purchase it, 233 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:24.320 and you know, and and kind of you know, do 234 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:26.039 a lot of very invasive stuff, you know, like you 235 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:27.600 could if you own the property. But you know, it's 236 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:29.759 very similar to you know, Skinwalker Ranch, a lot of 237 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:34.200 the same phenomena, uh, you know, positive and negative uh, 238 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:35.720 you know, with that famous location. 239 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:40.679 Very interesting. So I have gotten much chance to investigate 240 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:42.720 a couple of properties that are very similar to this 241 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:45.440 with the weird anomalists. I got to go

out to 242 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:50.759 the Ufo Valley Campground, which is directly next to the 243 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:53.919 mesa of Skinwalker Ranch. So I got to spend some 244 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:56.519 time out there and do some investigating there. And we 245 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:00.519 have a property here in Wisconsin that is basically the 246 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:04.480 same kind of phenomenon. It's Lee Hample's Hayfield, right. Are 247 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:05.360 you familiar with either? 248 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:10.320 Yeah, and I'm very familiar with the not so much 249 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:13.600 a UFO campground. But actually Ryan Burns, as a friend 250 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:16.240 of mine who owns Space Wolf or research there. Right 251 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:19.679 there adjacent to us can walk a ranch, and I 252 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:23.000 have heard of the mysterious Hayfield and also Bray Road, 253 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:25.039 you know, is another famous location. 254 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:28.279 Awesome, all right, So I have gotten to do a 255 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:31.639 couple of investigations at Lee Hample's Hayfield. So we have 256 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:35.240 some really weird stuff that has happened there. And I'm 257 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:39.720 sure you can, you know, relate. But have you have 258 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:42.399 you ever got a chance to come up to asconfl. 259 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:45.399 To that property. No, I have never been to wisconstin period. 260 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:48.519 Even though my father in law is a professor emeritus 261 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:51.879 at UW at Madison, I've never been up there. So 262 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:53.399 I'm gonna be up there, like you said, in a 263 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:55.080 few weeks. And I don't know if I'm supposed to 264 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:58.159 buy my cheesehead here and wear it there or buy 265 00:16:58.200 --> 00:16:59.519 it when I get there. You got to buy it 266 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:01.679 when you get guy, get there, Okay, at. 267 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:03.639 Every single gas station, every single store, don't worry. 268 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:06.279 Yeah, So I'm looking forward to it. 269 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:10.519 Well, if you do have any time this this coming 270 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:13.279 up for this convention, like at night or anything. Fifteen 271 00:17:13.319 --> 00:17:16.960 minutes away from Delvin is Elkhorn. So the Beast of 272 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:19.839 Bray Road and Lee Hample's property and stuff is fifteen 273 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:22.319 minutes away, so something to think about, you know. 274 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:24.359 Oh yeah, see. 275 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:27.559 But anyway, so I got a chance to do a 276 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:30.000 lot of research there, So I'm interested in comparing some 277 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:33.680 of my notes stuff from that property as well as 278

00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:37.079 what you've come up down there. So we'll get to 279 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.319 all that and stuff. But so let's start out with you. 280 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:44.160 You've talked about different experiments and stuff that you've done 281 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:46.680 on the property and different things with it. One of 282 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:48.720 the things that we've talked about on my shows and 283 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:50.279 with other guests, and that is. 284 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:52.920 With the meadow. 285 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:58.079 Have you looked into the geological aspects of the property 286 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:01.680 where I know you've talked about it being like historically 287 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:06.480 like significant to the Native Americans and sacred and stuff 288 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:09.319 in the area and stuff. Uh do you know of 289 00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:12.960 like any asteroid that has hit there or anything like 290 00:18:13.079 --> 00:18:13.759 of that nature? 291 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:17.839 No, not specifically, I mean I did, do you know 292 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:21.839 research on that? There is a I'm trying to think 293 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:24.039 how I can say this with you getting too close 294 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:30.000 to giving the location away. Uh, Asteroid impacts aren't uncommon, 295 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:32.200 you know in this part of the country. You'll you'll 296 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:35.480 see them you know every once in a while. Uh, 297 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:39.319 I see no direct evidence of that. You know, you're 298 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:42.920 neither from you know, the the geology or the geography. 299 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:43.839 Uh. 300 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:47.160 It is an area that's rich in quartz, you know, 301 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:50.359 so much so that you'll find softball chunks of quartz 302 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:51.880 laying on the top of the ground. 303 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:53.400 Uh. 304 00:18:53.759 --> 00:18:57.400 And uh there's a large body of water flowing water 305 00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:03.279 adjacent to it. Now this area also, uh, like parts 306 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:07.440 of the South that are more mountainous, you have a 307 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:11.039 lot of caves and subterranean features. So I know of 308 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:15.920 no direct caves near or underneath this, but several miles 309 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:17.920 away there are cave opening and stuff like that. So 310 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:21.599 it's not unheard of. Uh, it's uh, I know, I 311 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:23.160 don't know if you know who James Keenan is. 312 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:24.000 Uh. 313 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:28.160 He is just can't stand it until he can get 314 00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:31.960 down there and actually do some subterranean uh uh surveys, 315 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:34.039 you know, with what's under

there. He's he's pretty sure 316 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:37.200 that there are some you know, subterranean features you know, 317 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:40.960 underneath the meadow. But strangely enough, is one of the 318 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:43.400 things you see at other areas of high strangeness are 319 00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:47.839 geomagnetic anomalies like you'll have a geomagnetic sink, you know, 320 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:51.839 where gravity is a little bit different, and we don't 321 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:54.359 see that at this location. Strangely enough, you know, it's 322 00:19:54.440 --> 00:19:57.880 not something that's mapped out like that. So you know, 323 00:19:57.920 --> 00:19:59.519 I don't know. It seems like there might be a 324 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:03.119 discrepant see between how those things manifest themselves east and 325 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:07.039 west of the Rockies. But you know, we don't don't 326 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:09.319 see that. But you know, it's it does have the course, 327 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:11.920 it does have the running water. Uh, and like you 328 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:13.759 kind of alluded to first, it does have a very 329 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:15.119 rich history of ice strangeness. 330 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:18.200 Have you done anything with I know you've done like 331 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:21.839 EMF and radiation stuff there. Have you done just basically 332 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:23.720 like walking around with compasses? 333 00:20:24.319 --> 00:20:26.960 Yeah, yeah, we have. It's uh. You know, we have 334 00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:32.119 had one incident where a compass seemed not to be 335 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:37.200 pointing true. Now unfortunately it's one of those things you 336 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:40.079 have a compass, you know, and then we got our 337 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:42.640 GPS out and it looked like the compass was true. 338 00:20:42.759 --> 00:20:45.279 It's just the way we had kind of become a 339 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:47.920 little disoriented, and it's just kind of the way the 340 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:50.319 thing is set up geographically. It's a little you can 341 00:20:50.319 --> 00:20:52.839 get kind of twisted around a little bit. Now, there 342 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:56.400 is one thing that is interesting is only advice of 343 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:00.400 Steve Mira in the UK is I which is the 344 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:03.880 time displacement meter. And for I don't know if you're 345 00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:06.200 familiar with that piece of equipment. Basically as a base unit, 346 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:09.839 and you have a one hundred foot cable and at 347 00:21:09.880 --> 00:21:11.519 the end of the end of the cable, there's a 348 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:15.920 terminus at the cable and the base unit is calibrated 349 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:20.039 to count one second, and then it's also calibrated to 350 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:24.440 take in account the electric single running to the terminus 351 00:21:24.519 --> 00:21:27.839 and back for one second, so it knows what a 352 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:30.200 second is on the base unit and a second to 353 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:33.599 run a single back and forth between the probe and 354 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:35.759 the base unit. So what it does is it compares 355 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:41.119 both variables. And we have had instances out there where 356 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:46.640 time runs just a little bit different from one spot 357 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:49.799 to another, which is not uncommon, you know, according to 358 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:52.119 Steve over there in the UK and Europe, you know, 359 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:54.559 they have these time anomalies in a different locations. So 360 00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:57.119 we're you know, we're one of my big things that 361 00:21:57.240 --> 00:21:59.920 you know, as a former Intel guy, is I'm really 362 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:03.720 looking for what we call indicators or signatures, you know, 363 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:06.920 and these are things that would indicate areas a areas 364 00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:10.799 of high straightness or these occurrences of high strangeness. So 365 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:13.319 you know, and what we have found, and you mentioned 366 00:22:13.400 --> 00:22:18.519 radiation earlier is uh, these tiny radiation spikes and that's 367 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:20.200 something that you know that has been seen out of 368 00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:23.160 Skinwalker Ranch and you know in other places you know 369 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:26.960 of high strangeness. Is our baseline background radiation is about 370 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:31.759 point oh six microceiverts per hour and when we've had 371 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:35.519 extreme cases of high strangeness, that'll jump up to like 372 00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:37.839 point three three micro siverts per hour up to all 373 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:39.960 the way up to point sixty six micro siverts prow 374 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:43.680 not dangerous, but empirically, you know, a significant spike. So 375 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:46.720 you know, like like like they have experienced you out west, 376 00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:51.640 these little radiation spikes tend to be a precursor of 377 00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:54.039 high strangeness. You know, there's a lot of theories. You know, 378 00:22:54.079 --> 00:22:56.079 you can start looking at some Simi and hind stuff 379 00:22:56.400 --> 00:22:58.400 you know on plasma energy and you know what that 380 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:02.079 is and my explain some of these radiation spike that's 381 00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:03.279 that's something that we've seen too. 382 00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:06.759 I just had a vals of alla on my show 383 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:09.240 the Monsters on the Edge, and we were talking about 384 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:16.680 illness and bigfoot, and

I've done some work with a 385 00:23:16.759 --> 00:23:21.680 private property in Upper Michigan that the landowner got thyroid cancer, 386 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:26.000 and so we were looking at if the bigfoot had 387 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:29.640 any connection with radiation in that And as you said, 388 00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:32.759 we took a radio Geiger counter around to different areas 389 00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:35.720 on the property where a trail camera image had been 390 00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:37.680 captured of one of these things, where a footprint had 391 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:40.799 been found, where a stick structure possibly was And at 392 00:23:40.839 --> 00:23:43.359 each one of these locations, even though they were older, 393 00:23:43.839 --> 00:23:47.799 we did notice a very small spike and again nothing 394 00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:50.440 like you said, nothing like off the chart. It's nothing dangerous. 395 00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:53.039 But if if background is ten, this went up to 396 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:57.319 like twenty, you know, yeah, yeah point here, but again 397 00:23:57.720 --> 00:24:00.240 higher than the background, higher than walking around on the 398 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:02.279 rest of the property in these specific areas. 399 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:06.480 Something else we'll get is uh, not so much you 400 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:08.400 know e m F. You know, as far as you 401 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:12.519 know spikes of you know, the you know millegals, but 402 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:15.400 we'll get our F interference, which is really strange. And 403 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:17.599 that was something if people get a chance to watch 404 00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:22.000 the documentary, the film crew experience that is over their 405 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:24.559 uh you know, their sound systems, they would get these 406 00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:28.279 bursts of static electricity, this burst of energy. And what's 407 00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:31.319 really weird is this area is so remote. There's not 408 00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:35.559 even cell phone service, you know, and we were, you know, 409 00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:37.920 in this area completely by ourselves, so there was nobody 410 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:40.039 around us, you know, transmitting with a handy talk he 411 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:42.799 or anything like that. So we also see these these 412 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:47.119 bursts of uh, you know, electro magnetic energy that causes 413 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:51.200 static and can cause malfunctions and equipment, you know, really 414 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:54.680 strange and you know, the whole you know, paranormal lore 415 00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:57.599 and high strangest Lawyer is loaded with the accounts of 416 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:00.880 people's equipment, you know, dying batteries, raining, things like that. 417 00:25:01.079 --> 00:25:04.079 So that's a very current common occurrence you know, at 418 00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:05.119 the metal also. 419 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:09.519 Through all modalities, even from the to UFO to paragram 420 00:25:09.759 --> 00:25:14.640 all that stuffy interesting with with your military background, are 421 00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:17.000 you familiar with any of like the the signals or 422 00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:20.400 you know, like they talked about the one point one 423 00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:20.880 point something. 424 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:23.799 Yeah, yeah, that's one point six giga hurts. Yeah, there's 425 00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:27.240 a couple of uh yeah, that that's an interesting thing, 426 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:29.599 you know, And I one thing I don't have is 427 00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:32.279 a frequency counter Uh, it's just another Like I said, 428 00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:34.319 we're self funded. That's just another piece of equipment I 429 00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:37.480 haven't had a chance to purchase. Is Uh, you know, 430 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:43.799 there is a correlation between spikes of energy, you know, 431 00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:49.079 in the microwave spectrum, you know, on the radio frequency spectrum. Uh, 432 00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:51.200 and this high strange And that's now something else we 433 00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:54.359 have to remember is and I'd have to get my 434 00:25:54.519 --> 00:25:58.319 chart out about one point two one point three gigs 435 00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:01.640 is the frequency use for satellites. You know, that's a 436 00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:07.200 satellite microwave communications frequency. But on the other hand, is 437 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:14.400 that's also the frequency that has been attributed to non ionizing, 438 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:19.599 non ionizing radiation injuries. So that's non ionizing, not you know, 439 00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:22.640 no gamma rays or anything, but it's non ionizing radiation. 440 00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:26.279 And there's also something very interesting at one point three 441 00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:30.519 gigaherts called the Fray effect fr Y, and the Fray 442 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:36.240 effect is where people will have auditory hallucinations when they're 443 00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:40.000 exposed to energy at about the one point three gigahertz range. 444 00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:42.720 Then you turn the page and you start looking at 445 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:47.880 things like the Havana syndrome. And now I can kind 446 00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:51.680 of talk about it now that it's out in public. 447 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:56.680 But there are stories where the US government, specifically the CIA, 448 00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:03.160 obtained a weapon from uh Russian uh you know ne'er 449 00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:05.640 do wells. You know, they spent several million dollars for it. 450 00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:09.240 But it what appears to be a weapon that uses 451 00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:12.480 gamma are one point three to

you know one point 452 00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:16.599 eight microwave radiation to cause injuries you know, at a distance. 453 00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:21.480 So you know, some of the experiences and some of 454 00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:24.279 the maladies that people are experiencing out in skin walk 455 00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:29.000 or ranch uh mirrors that. But you also have to 456 00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:33.160 look at is there's the Dugway Proving Ground there in Utah. 457 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:37.039 They have a weapon system this is once again open 458 00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:42.079 source that they use for anti drone warfare called Project 459 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:48.200 Thor and it uses uh microwave you know, radiation once again, 460 00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:51.160 and that's the open source part of it. So what 461 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:54.880 are they using that's still classified in and what frequency 462 00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:56.960 range is So you know, we've got to be kind of, 463 00:27:57.079 --> 00:28:02.480 you know, really careful about you know, a correlation and causality. 464 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:05.279 Uh so, but there does seem to be you know, 465 00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:08.160 certainly some ill health effects you know from this type 466 00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:09.559 of energy. You can go all the way back to 467 00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:13.160 the cash Landrum case you know with the Betty cash 468 00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:16.400 is you know, uh, non ionizing radiation injuries from that. 469 00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:23.359 M that's interesting. So let me be let me be 470 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:25.839 clear on this. So what you're saying is that the 471 00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:29.200 one point six frequency in the one point three signals. 472 00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:34.279 So we're looking at the electromagnetic spectrum. So you're saying 473 00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:39.319 that those frequencies fall in the radiation spectrum the side 474 00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:41.799 of the above ultra violet stuff. 475 00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:48.200 Yes, yeah, it's it's microwave radio frequency. Yeah. 476 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:55.119 So interesting. All right, So okay, a couple of weeks 477 00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:57.359 here I have the opportunity to talk to Pete Kelsey, 478 00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:59.000 who has done a lot of like the light hour 479 00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:00.880 work and stuff for Skinwalker Ranch. 480 00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:01.400 Right. 481 00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:05.200 Have you have you had any anybody able to come 482 00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:08.200 out or do any light our scanning or anything similar 483 00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:09.440 to what they've done with Skinwalker. 484 00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:13.039 Yeah. I haven't done any you know, had any light 485 00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:15.880 our scans done, you know ourselves. I have pulled up 486 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:19.240 some of the USGS light our data sets, you know, 487 00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:21.359 which are pretty good data sets. You know, there's some 488 00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:25.200 good information and I have not found anything anomalous other 489 00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:30.279 than some uh you know, nineteenth century early twentieth century, 490 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:35.279 uh crop terracing, homestead terracing, you know in this mountain 491 00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:38.400 rolling mountainous areas. But you know, nothing that jumped out 492 00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:42.039 at me as being truly anomalous. Uh, you know, no 493 00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:44.960 mysterious you know, pyramid structures or anything like that, just 494 00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:48.039 basically what you would expect to see in the area 495 00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:51.279 where we, uh we research are some old mountain communities, 496 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:53.559 so you know what you would expect to see, you know, 497 00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:56.480 with people doing crops and you know, past your land 498 00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:58.839 and you know, clearing out land for homesteads and things 499 00:29:58.880 --> 00:29:59.079 like that. 500 00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:04.240 Again, I understand keeping it private and where the location 501 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:07.079 stuff is, but is there is there a reason why 502 00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:11.759 besides just keeping the I guess like the continuity and 503 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:14.200 the cleanness of your your research. Is there a reason 504 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:15.640 why you don't give out that information. 505 00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:19.200 Yeah, that's basically it. I'll tell you a story is 506 00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:22.359 I had a chance to go out with a pretty 507 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:26.920 well known bigfoot researcher, David Pardue in the Carolinas, and 508 00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.599 we were going to go up to a uari and 509 00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:35.319 you know, everybody's heard about my dog, but my mind 510 00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:37.880 just went completely yates place. My mind went blank there 511 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:40.279 for a second. Everybody's heard about Yates place. You know, 512 00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:42.079 it's been on the TV shows and blah blah. So 513 00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:45.400 we get there in the evening and pretty much had 514 00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:50.759 the location to ourselves. Woke up Saturday morning and the 515 00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:54.160 place is absolutely full, you know, and we tried to 516 00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:56.759 go out and do research at night. And every whoop 517 00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.240 and tree knock you heard, is that actually something or 518 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:04.160 is that somebody another person responding to us or you know? 519 00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:05.720 And then I had a chance to talk to folks 520 00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:08.480 like Dwayne Ollinger and others that have had areas that 521 00:31:08.599 -->

00:31:15.920 have become public. And unfortunately, when it becomes public, is 522 00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:19.200 you know, every and I hate to I'm not, I 523 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:22.240 hate to sound elitist, but you know, take this for 524 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:24.279 what is, you know, prima facia, Take this for what 525 00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:27.200 it is. Is every Yahoo that has an app on 526 00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:31.559 their cell phone thinks they're a researcher. And some people 527 00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:33.400 come out there trying to do what they think is 528 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:35.920 serious researching. And you have other people coming out there 529 00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:39.519 just the f with you and for and since this 530 00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:43.960 is on public land, I have to keep the area 531 00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:47.400 secret to try to avoid that and keep that, try 532 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:49.960 to keep it as inviolate as I can. Now. However, 533 00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:53.559 that does not mean that I don't have people come 534 00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:56.240 out in research. Katie Page, who you mentioned earlier, has 535 00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:58.839 been a guest researcher. Josh Cutchen has been out there. 536 00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:02.319 Matt you delve, Uh you know, so I have guest 537 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:05.359 researchers come out all the time. Uh you know several 538 00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:08.720 uh you know, big names that you would know, have 539 00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:11.279 open invitations to come out whenever they have the time. So, 540 00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:12.720 you know, I love people to come out and do 541 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.799 their experience. And that's what the Metal Project film was about, 542 00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:18.720 is you know, Tony Merkle and his team came in 543 00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:21.880 and you know, they looked at the way we did 544 00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:25.240 our research, look at our experiences, and then they had 545 00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:27.400 their own experiences. And that was kind of the deal 546 00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.000 I made with them, is this this isn't my location. 547 00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:33.960 You know, this is I'm not holding you know, people's 548 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:38.079 experiences hostage. These are your experiences. So have your experience 549 00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:40.480 and feel free to share with the world. You know. 550 00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:42.559 The only thing I asked that you don't share the location. 551 00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:46.839 That's that's absolutely fair, and that's that's the best way 552 00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:50.039 to do it with the public. Yeah, and stuff as well. 553 00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:53.039 So I was just curious because I know that you know, I'm, 554 00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:55.599 like I said, we're trying to be fresh and new 555 00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:58.079 on the show. But on other podcasts and

stuff, you've 556 00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:01.640 talked about the Cube and the disappearance, Yeah, all that stuff, 557 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:03.000 And I was just wondering if it was more of 558 00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:05.759 a we don't want people in there because it's dangerous. 559 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:08.559 Or well above that too. Yeah. I mean, of the 560 00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:10.559 four people that went in the Cube, only two are 561 00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:14.519 still alive, you know, and that's and you know, some 562 00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:16.240 of the other folks that are a bit we're involved 563 00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:18.720 in that evening have you know, some health issues, you know, 564 00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:23.079 even to this day. Uh so you know it's you know, 565 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:25.319 that's not my primary reason, but I would really hate 566 00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:32.400 for someone who's not a serious, cautious and pragmatic researcher 567 00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:34.920 to go out there, you know and suffer ill effects. 568 00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:37.119 That would be you know, that would break my heart out. Yeah, 569 00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:38.720 I just wouldn't you know, wouldn't be good at all. 570 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:42.279 It definitely you know, you need to know what you're 571 00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:44.440 getting into when you go into this stuff and be 572 00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:48.880 serious about them. So very interesting, and I again I 573 00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:53.119 encourage anybody you've you've done a hundred interviews at least stuff. 574 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:55.079 So all these stories and stuff. If if it feels 575 00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:57.519 like we're skipping over something, it's out there one hundred 576 00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.240 times if you listen to, go, go listen to So 577 00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:04.400 hopefully this if we'll spike some interest for people that 578 00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.880 are interested, or be more interesting for people that have 579 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:11.320 heard some other stuff. So one of the other things 580 00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:13.119 I was interested in, and again we've talked this is 581 00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:15.800 public property and stuff. So maybe this isn't possible or 582 00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:20.719 I'll leave it to you, but Lee Hample's property. There's 583 00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:25.159 been a lot of use of trail cameras and including ourselves, 584 00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:27.840 and one of the things that we did specifically was 585 00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:31.719 we set up the trail cameras as time labs instead 586 00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:35.000 of motion and this has been really interesting because you 587 00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:38.320 you capture so much more data with the time lapse 588 00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:41.320 than you do just if something triggers it. Have you 589 00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:43.760 gotten a chance to try anything like that there and 590 00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:44.440 what have you gotten? 591 00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.239 Yeah? Yeah, we thought about that. There are pluses and 592 00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:50.920 negatives of that. Of course. The plus is you're capturing 593 00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:53.880 you data, you know, be it benign data or you know, 594 00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:58.320 fascinating data. The downside of that is you're basically leaving 595 00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:02.360 your trail camera in a location. Like I said, this 596 00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:05.440 doesn't have self service, so you know there's no store 597 00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:07.239 and forward. You know it's not going You're not gonna 598 00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:09.000 be able to look at real time, you know, at 599 00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:11.000 the camera, so you know you run a risk of 600 00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:14.400 your equipment now being stolen. You know this area is remote, 601 00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:18.480 but it's not totally devoid of people you know, coming 602 00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:21.239 through every once in a while, and so you know 603 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.719 that's a risk. You know that you run. Something else 604 00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:26.519 we would love to do is get a you know, 605 00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:29.320 a remote sensing platform like movepass or something like that 606 00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:33.559 and place that out there. But once again, your your 607 00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:36.119 information's not going anywhere. There's no way for it to 608 00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:38.639 communicate with a you know, back to your base station, 609 00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:41.679 and you know you're looking at a ten thousand dollars 610 00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:44.039 piece of equipment possibly not being there when you come back. 611 00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:45.920 So you know you have to weigh you have to 612 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:49.039 do a risk analysis, and you know, way the benefit 613 00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:52.519 versus the risk. And you know right now, you know, 614 00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:54.079 since you know we're paying for this stuff out of 615 00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:56.679 our pocket, it's just the risk, you know, just outweighs 616 00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:59.280 the benefits that might that might prevail. 617 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:02.239 Have you tried it, like while you're altered, because I 618 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:02.599 know yeah. 619 00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:05.880 Oh yeah, well we have. Yeah, and we've done some experiments, 620 00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:10.400 uh you know, various uh kind of parapsychological experiments and 621 00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:12.880 we'll set the trail cams up and as of uh 622 00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:15.559 you know, as of yet, they haven't really captured anything 623 00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:17.599 you know, we thought was particularly interesting. 624 00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:24.159 Have you utilized any of the thermal drone

technology? 625 00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:27.079 Yeah, no, not with a drone. We do, we do 626 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.920 have most of our members have high end thermals like 627 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:35.559 at NS and Clear brand thermals. We do not have 628 00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:37.480 a U A thermal drone. 629 00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:38.440 Uh. 630 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:41.679 Unfortunately, I had two drones were fried by that location. 631 00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:47.840 Had one Bob Wilson's uh uh dj I mavick uh 632 00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:50.559 got fried out there, and then I had one of 633 00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:53.480 my drones got fried. So it's kind of like, well, 634 00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:55.320 you know, do we want to send up a thermal 635 00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:56.679 drone and have you get fried too? 636 00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:00.800 I know that experience. I and as I said, I 637 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:04.320 went to the UFO Valley campground excuse me, and I was, 638 00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.039 you know, you can't film skin Walker obviously, like they 639 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.760 shut you down or whatever. But they're like, do you 640 00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:12.480 have a drone with you? And I said yeah, And 641 00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:14.199 I was like, well, I'm not gonna I'm not going 642 00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:15.880 to use it, you know, and they're like, no, no, no, 643 00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:19.559 we just regraveled our property and we want to know 644 00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:22.159 if you can shoot it up and just film or 645 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:26.239 try and film some aerial shots of our property. And 646 00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:28.719 I said, oh, yeah, I can do that, and it 647 00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:31.119 dropped four hundred feet out of the sky and yeah. 648 00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:35.400 So I'm well aware of losing drones on these areas 649 00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:39.480 and to that to that point too, Leigh Hample's Hayfield. 650 00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:42.400 We were running the we have a thermal drone right 651 00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:45.719 and the thermal drone we were scouring the whole property 652 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.480 for the time that we were there was our goal 653 00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:53.360 and at one point, well this is this is where 654 00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:55.800 I was going with the story away, so I'll continue here. Uh, 655 00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:58.760 we're looking. We're in the middle of the field and 656 00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.760 out in front of us there's a circular hot spot 657 00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:04.679 that showed up on the ground, so it's just a 658 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:08.559 circle of heat. And one of our investigators walked from 659 00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:10.400 the tent out and stood in the middle of it, 660 00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:12.840 and as they stood in the middle of it, it 661 00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:16.280 sort of turned into the shape of a peanut and 662 00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:20.119 morphed so that the circle of heat was in front 663 00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:23.760 of them. Now, So then they stepped into the next 664 00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:27.400 circle to see, like what's gonna happen, and it morphed 665 00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:29.360 and kind of turned into the end of what I 666 00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:33.880 would call like a road like follow me kind of situation. 667 00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.280 I don't know. And at that point we heard a 668 00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:40.519 weird scream howl thing come from the edge of the 669 00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:44.360 field where our other set of investigators were, and we're like, okay, 670 00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:46.199 well we're gonna send the thermal drone out there to 671 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:50.880 investigate whatever screaming off the cornfield. And as I started 672 00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:54.800 moving the drone in that direction, my controller lost signal 673 00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:57.519 to the drum. Yeah, and I was not able to 674 00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:01.320 reconnect the rest of that night. So that's again I 675 00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:03.320 lost the drone in one situation. But it brings me 676 00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:05.119 up to the reason why I asked, if you use 677 00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.159 the thermal drone, is have you found anything similar to 678 00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:12.400 that with the heat signature on the ground that moves 679 00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:15.000 or changes or anything like that, you. 680 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:17.400 Know, not so much a heat signature, you know. I mean, now, 681 00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:20.599 let me back up. The cube or the portal was 682 00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:23.599 a heat signature. It was not you know, visible with 683 00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:25.960 the naked eye. So yeah, now we did just cover 684 00:39:26.119 --> 00:39:30.480 that using thermal and the interesting thing is is those 685 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:33.920 boxer cubes were different places during that evening, Like you know, 686 00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:38.079 we had separate teams picking up boxes and cubes at 687 00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:40.880 different locations in the meadow until we all kind of 688 00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:43.639 came together and then you know, looked at that one 689 00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:47.119 cube and dispatched a team into it where their heat 690 00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:52.440 signatures disappeared. So yeah, we had that, but we not 691 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.320 so much you know, like circular things on the ground. 692 00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:58.760 But we did have one interesting thing that wasn't so 693 00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:01.719 much a heat signature, but it was about an eighteen 694 00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:05.960 foot area where I was filming with Greg Ogels, who's 695 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:09.360 a director with an outfit called Relic Films, and his 696 00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:14.400 cinematographer would

step into this area and his video camera 697 00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:17.159 would drop down to ten percent on battery power. He 698 00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:19.679 would step out of it would go back up to eighty. 699 00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.760 Step into the circle'd go down to ten, step out, 700 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.880 and it'd go back up to eighty. So it was, uh, 701 00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:27.840 you know, it was kind of a roughly a circular 702 00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.280 area where we had like some kind of weird energy 703 00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:32.920 sync that would suck the uh you know, the juice 704 00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:35.920 right out of his battery if you stepped into it. 705 00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:37.920 And it was really weird because you could, you know, 706 00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:39.880 you could control it depending on where you stood. 707 00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:47.079 Interesting. So this is a phenomenon that has been talked about, 708 00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:48.800 you know, all the way back to the UFO days 709 00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:51.320 and stuff, where you know of vehicles driving down the 710 00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:53.280 road and all of a sudden, the engine freezes up 711 00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:55.519 and then this this craft shows up above the vehicle. 712 00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:59.000 And that's always fascinated me because you know, you have 713 00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:04.840 this combustion engine, these moving parts, and it's not electrical. 714 00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:06.880 It's not like you turn it off, turn it back 715 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:09.920 on and it'll start. Do you have any thoughts on 716 00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:14.639 like how you get a combustion engine to stop and 717 00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:17.440 then restart like these stories, because it's very similar to 718 00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:19.639 like the battery situation that you're talking about. 719 00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:22.800 You know what I think we have to look at 720 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.440 that is maybe from a point of view that we 721 00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:32.840 don't completely understand. I think that whatever this phenomena is, 722 00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:35.719 and I think we have to be very careful about 723 00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:38.320 putting it into a the UFO box, a cryptid box, 724 00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:43.519 a ghost box. I think that the phenomena presents itself 725 00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:47.760 in all permutations at once, and until we observe it, 726 00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:53.400 everything but one waveform collapses. So we're determining using the 727 00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:57.199 observer effect of what we see and encounter. So when 728 00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:04.599 you look at it like that, we're talking about entities, intelligences, apparatus, 729 00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:08.119 but maybe not apparatus like we think of existing in 730 00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:12.280 another dimension that are coming in interfacing

with ours. So 731 00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:16.920 you know, the way they interact with a interternal combustion engine, 732 00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:23.039 you know, electronics aircraft controls regardless, might not be interacting 733 00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:26.840 with them in a way that we really understand. You know, 734 00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:30.119 it could be you know, they could be affecting the 735 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:32.400 mechanism on a quantum level. You know that we just 736 00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:36.159 we cannot conceptualize. So you know, I think that, you know, 737 00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:38.599 sometimes we just have to kind of shrug our shoulders 738 00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:41.679 and say, well, you know, you know, that's the phenomena 739 00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:45.000 and accept what happens without trying to, you know, dig 740 00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:48.159 down into it too much or an explanation where in fact, 741 00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:50.079 there might not be an explanation that we could ever 742 00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:52.519 a formulate or be even understand. 743 00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:58.079 The observer This is, oh my gosh, the observer effect. 744 00:42:58.280 --> 00:42:58.480 Yeah. 745 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:02.599 So so my team, I don't know if you're familiar 746 00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:04.440 with any of the stuff we do, but each person 747 00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.440 on our team has a different modality at different area 748 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:11.239 of expertise, everything from psychics, medium's, paranormal, vest year's cryptosology 749 00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:14.159 and stuff. So we each can focus on our area. 750 00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:16.360 So when we go out on a case, you know, 751 00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:19.599 we can look at this from a holistic aspect instead 752 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:23.079 of just one aspect. And I know that your team 753 00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:26.039 is very similar to that as well, the different backgrounds 754 00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:29.159 and stuff. So to the to the point that you 755 00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:32.679 just made, do you think that these things, even though 756 00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:36.079 you're going out there and trying to be just an 757 00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:38.920 observer and document what you see, do you think that 758 00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:43.800 what is being observed is still being directed by the 759 00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:47.360 person's bias, Like let's say they expect to see an 760 00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:48.719 orb or a cube or a. 761 00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:53.039 Yeah, I think I think partially yes. I think that's 762 00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:56.760 one reason why if you look at the whole broad 763 00:43:56.920 --> 00:43:59.679 spectrum of high strangeness, and I'm talking about you going back, 764 00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:04.360 since there seems to be archetypes you know that always 765 00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:10.079 appear like, uh, you know, the the wise man, you know, 766 00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:16.000 the old wise Man, the old crone, the warrior, the mother, 767 00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:21.719 the trickster. You know, these arc types are very important. 768 00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:25.119 And I think that you know, we are genetically encoded. 769 00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:28.800 You know through our historical you know experiences, you know, 770 00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:31.480 going back you know, to the dawna time to look 771 00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.119 at things through certain optics. Okay, and then we move 772 00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:36.199 into the twentieth and twenty first century, we've got the 773 00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:39.639 you know, the UFO optics. And it's interesting that you 774 00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:42.599 go back to like you know, Kenneth Ardnold, you know, 775 00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:46.480 back in uh, you know, the forties and he described 776 00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:49.880 the saucers as being around skipping, like they were moving 777 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.519 across the lake. And then you started having all these 778 00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:57.320 saucers sightings. Then you start moving into you know, the 779 00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:02.159 twenty middle twentieth century, later twentieth and uh, they seem 780 00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:09.360 to be more asymmetrical machines. Okay, now we're moving into 781 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:12.440 things being more maybe plasmoid, you know, like orbs and 782 00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:15.679 things like that. And now you know, we're starting to 783 00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:19.000 talk about perhaps nhi. So I think you know, from 784 00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:23.599 your culture, it influences a how you perceive it and 785 00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:27.079 possibly how the waveform collapses around you. And a good 786 00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:29.079 a perfect example of that is if you go back 787 00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:32.840 and you study Mary and apparitions reported to the Catholic 788 00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:38.039 Church is some people will say, like the Lady of Fatima, 789 00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:41.400 some people said, you know, the children said, we saw 790 00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:46.360 a woman. Okay, once again, the mother archetype. We saw 791 00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:50.280 a woman, the lady, the mother who gave us, you know, 792 00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:53.239 the so called secrets of Fatima. And then others that 793 00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:56.199 were there said, all we saw was a hazy ball 794 00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:59.880 of light. And sometimes you'll even be on an invent 795 00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.519 instigation and see like a UFO and somebody will say 796 00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:06.280 I saw a structured something, and another person well, no, 797 00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:08.599 I just saw like this, this hazy ball of light. 798 00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:11.239 And another person will say, no, it's like a pinprick. 799 00:46:11.280 -->

00:46:14.280 It was very small. Then another person will say, well, no, 800 00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:17.159 I heard it, but I didn't see any things. Then 801 00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:18.639 you go back and you look at your audio and 802 00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:23.000 video evidence, and that's entirely different than what you experienced. So, 803 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:26.480 you know, the observer effect is very, very important, and 804 00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:28.880 I think there's multiple wave forms that exist to these 805 00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:31.639 things simultaneously. And that goes back to you know, one 806 00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:35.400 of my kind of you know, rallying cries. My jihad 807 00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:38.880 is to get people to stop looking at this stuff 808 00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:40.719 through preconceived notions. 809 00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:41.639 You know. 810 00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:45.719 UFO guys, open your eyes and start looking at some 811 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.239 of the paranormal experiences that happened with this stuff because 812 00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:51.280 they're all facets of the same diamond. They're all different 813 00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:54.159 parts of the same phenomenon. And you know, I think 814 00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:56.440 when we start looking at things more holistically, you know, 815 00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:58.599 we'll I don't think we'll ever get an answer, but 816 00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.199 we might get a little bit closer to understanding perhaps 817 00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:03.639 what's going on and maybe how it interacts with us. 818 00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:08.960 Interesting you've talked about, you know, the orbs and the 819 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:12.320 cubes and stuff on other episodes in that has anybody 820 00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:14.920 on your team while alter researching ever seen what we 821 00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:19.320 would consider more of like a nuts and boltz craft, not. 822 00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:21.320 So much a nuts and bolts craft. We do have 823 00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:24.119 some my UFO footage of some strange lights moving in 824 00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:28.239 odd ways, you know, behaving in strange ways. Not so 825 00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:32.960 much a nuts and bolts craft. No, not like that. 826 00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:33.440 No. 827 00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:37.000 But what's interesting though, is I did send some of 828 00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:42.599 our footage of a anomaloust I'm trying to think, how 829 00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:48.679 can words an anomalous creature that we saw on thermal 830 00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:52.239 moving in an area where the cube had been back 831 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:56.400 in nineteen In twenty seventeen, so I sent that off 832 00:47:56.480 --> 00:48:00.920 to a Moufon analyst and he use some stuff where 833 00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:05.440 they can pull some embedded quantum imagery out of still imagery. 834 00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:08.280 And what he came up with is there was a 835 00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:13.159 craft actually sitting in the field while this creature was 836 00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:16.280 slinking around, you know. That's what his analysis show. And 837 00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:21.159 analysis also showed a vertical structure also in the field 838 00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:24.679 twenty seventeen, we had a vertical structure, i e. The cube. 839 00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:28.000 So you know, that goes back to thinking that maybe 840 00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:32.400 these things are always around us and we just can't 841 00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:35.519 perceive him. I've done some work with Steven Leah from 842 00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:38.800 a Hidden World quantum Imagery. I mean, you all might 843 00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:41.039 have seen him on the Skinwalker Ranch show and all 844 00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:44.679 those shows. He's been working a lot with us, and 845 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:50.280 we're pulling stuff out of these imagery that shows that 846 00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:54.519 these things are around us all the time. So the 847 00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:58.920 old saying we are not alone could have a caveat 848 00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:02.480 added to it. Not only are we not alone, we're 849 00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:06.360 never alone. These things are always around us, and they 850 00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:09.760 interact with us on their timeline based on their agenda, 851 00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:12.199 you know, and when it's convenient for them. 852 00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:16.440 I think that's That's another thing that we've talked about 853 00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:18.039 on my show here quite a bit, you know, is 854 00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:22.760 this area high in activity because there's quartz or something there, 855 00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:27.440 or is you know, is the area active or is 856 00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:32.000 it amplifying our ability to see the stuff that is everywhere? 857 00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:36.360 Absolutely, and that is that goes another aspect, the other 858 00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:40.320 side of the observer effect, coin is is the observer 859 00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:46.760 generating the phenomena versus the location generating the phenomena. So 860 00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:51.880 we had a really interesting case last June where we 861 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:55.000 were going out to an area you know in Georgia, 862 00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:58.920 you know, not not the METO, somewhere else, and we 863 00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:02.840 had been doing part of another it's just another cryptid group, 864 00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:05.400 but we kind of have cross pollenization between the two 865 00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:08.239 ASAG and this other group. So I was out there 866 00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:11.840 with them and we were looking primarily at our sasquatchy stuff, 867 00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:15.360 you know, bigfoot critter stuff, and we had had some 868 00:50:15.719 -->

00:50:18.559 really cool videos, you know, stuff that we'd captured out there. 869 00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:23.320 Weird thing is that the videos we were capturing were 870 00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:28.840 not a flesh and blood hominid like you would expect. 871 00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:31.000 It was like the ghost of a hominid. It was 872 00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:35.199 like the very faint thermal outline of a hominid, and 873 00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:38.880 it was just a tiny bit different than the ambient 874 00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:42.400 temperature around it almost like you know, I say ghost, 875 00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:44.039 you know what I mean, Wu Casper, but you know, 876 00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:46.920 like a very faint after image, like it was just 877 00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:50.880 barely into our existence and uh. And I even went 878 00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:54.079 and compared that with some thermal baboon UH census footage 879 00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:58.039 from Africa on what you know, primates looked like you know, 880 00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:02.760 called on thermal completely different, you know, completely different. So 881 00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:04.480 we were capturing some of that stuff, so we know 882 00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:08.400 that it was the cryptis we were encountering. There were 883 00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:11.519 and I hate to get you know, labeled the WU guy, 884 00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:13.159 but I'm just going to go there. I'm just going 885 00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:15.719 to tell you what we experienced is that the cryptis 886 00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:19.079 we were experiencing there may not be entirely blesh and 887 00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:21.880 blood and physical, or at least when we encountered them. 888 00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:23.639 So turn the page. We go back out there in 889 00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:28.079 June expecting that same kind of phenomena. And one of 890 00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:32.519 the teams consisted of my friend Sean, who was one 891 00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:34.239 of the guys that had done some pretty heavy god 892 00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:38.639 helmet experimentation at the Meadow, had some unique experiences. Now 893 00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:40.599 was at this other location in Georgia, and he was 894 00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:45.639 with a newer member named Jamie, and they had the 895 00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:50.360 environment around them change. It's like trees and things that 896 00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:53.519 were there before all of a sudden weren't there anymore. 897 00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:58.000 They were somewhere else, and it became so scary and 898 00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:03.519 so disorientating, disorienting that they actually grabbed each other's hands, 899 00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:09.400 afraid the other one would fade into nothingness when we 900 00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:12.639 were finally able to get teams dispatched to them. Now, 901 00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:18.000 the investigator, Sean is a former marine twenty three years 902 00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:21.400 in law enforcement, a very no nonsense, down to earth 903 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:27.960 tough guy. He came on the radio and the team lead, 904 00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:30.320 the expedition lead, said you know, Sean, are you okay? 905 00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:33.760 And he replied with I don't know. And when our 906 00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:37.679 teams eventually got to them, Jamie went up to the 907 00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:41.360 first team member she saw, grabbed his hands and held 908 00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:44.639 on to him and said, are you real? Are you real? 909 00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:49.239 And it gets weirder that when they were reviewing Jamie's 910 00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:53.519 Find a Friend function on her phone, they had missed 911 00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:57.840 it forty minutes of missing time. And they also were 912 00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:01.199 in an area a field that they never went to 913 00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:04.760 have no recollection of it now on a sog That's 914 00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:10.119 why we have a a psycho, a psycho transpersonal psychotherapist 915 00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:14.119 and hypnotherapist on our cadre, so we can go back 916 00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:17.440 and do regression on some of our team member. Now, 917 00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:19.400 we haven't done a regression on that particular incident yet, 918 00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:21.840 but you know, it just goes to show you that 919 00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:26.840 maybe once you raise your hand and say, hey, Phenomena, 920 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:30.079 I'm here, Hey, Nhi, I want to interact with you. 921 00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:33.280 I what Sean did with the god helmet. Maybe it 922 00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:35.920 wants to come and visit and play when you don't 923 00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:38.480 expect it, and it has nothing to do with the location. 924 00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:41.159 So you know, that's kind of a theory that I 925 00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:44.159 you know, I'm kind of bouncing around now and actually 926 00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:45.559 that some of the team members are going back to 927 00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:48.039 the location of this weekend. I'm not able there right now. 928 00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:49.840 I'm not able to go with them, and I'm kind 929 00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:52.199 of curious to see what their experiences are, you know, 930 00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:53.159 here in the next few days. 931 00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:56.480 I think it's very important to point out with that 932 00:53:56.599 --> 00:53:59.760 story and stuff, you know that you know, everyone watches 933 00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:02.039 these things on TV or you know, little skin Walker 934 00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:03.559 Ranch and stuff. Oh I want to go there. I 935 00:54:03.639 --> 00:54:04.760 want to experience the stuff. 936 00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:10.440 Yes, yeah, no, there was some PTSD from that event. 937 00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:12.760

I mean, I'm not being flipping. I'm saying, no kidding, 938 00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:16.360 like PTSD, you know, and you know they're both both 939 00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:18.199 of those team members are working their way through that. 940 00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:24.119 You know, you know, something you can't underestimate is something 941 00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:29.559 called ontological shock, and that is where your idea of 942 00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:34.519 what the world is and what is real is turned 943 00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:38.360 upside down and it causes an existential crisis. So I 944 00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:41.159 always tell people if if you're getting into this business, 945 00:54:41.199 --> 00:54:43.320 and I'm not talking about you know, going to the 946 00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.760 you know, the local haunted cemetery with your cell phone 947 00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:47.639 and you know, trying to scare your you know, sit 948 00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:50.239 around with your buddies and scare each other. Really no, 949 00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:53.920 no kidding. Getting into this research, you've got to understand 950 00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:56.199 what you're doing and understand that there is a danger 951 00:54:56.320 --> 00:55:01.920 to it, a very real you know, psychological existential and 952 00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:05.280 at times of physical danger. And if you go into it, 953 00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:07.079 you have to go into it with some sort of 954 00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:09.000 belief system. Now I'm not telling you what that belief 955 00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:12.199 system needs to be. Everybody has their own system. But 956 00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:16.320 I know for me personally, is I'm pretty solid in 957 00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:20.280 my belief system, my spiritual belief system and it has 958 00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:24.280 helped me get through some pretty crazy, rocky stuff. So 959 00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:26.079 you know that's just kind of a you know, my 960 00:55:26.199 --> 00:55:27.880 little public service announcement there. 961 00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:32.079 Absolutely, I one hundred percent agree. There's been times when 962 00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:35.159 we've been out in research areas and stuff and you 963 00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:37.920 have to stop and go, what am I doing? Like, 964 00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:40.679 you know, we're looking at this weird stuff and I'm 965 00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:44.039 seeing things and stuff that shouldn't be there and having 966 00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:46.400 these experiences, and I'm like, man, this is you know, 967 00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:50.079 I've had similar times when I've had to step back 968 00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:52.639 and take some time off and just go, I need 969 00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:55.079 to process what just happened to me, because you know, 970 00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:57.760 like like you said, there's it's what we call like 971 00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:01.639 paradigm shifting. You

have these experiences, your entire world shifts 972 00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:02.039 around it. 973 00:56:03.159 --> 00:56:06.880 Well about two years ago, you know, you're talking about 974 00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:08.760 it following you home. And I'm going to show you 975 00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:11.199 this because I think it's it's kind of Germane because 976 00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:14.239 people are the skin Knits researchers there Skinwalker Ranch had 977 00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:18.880 the same thing happened to them, dog men following them home. Okay, 978 00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:25.599 this photograph was taken about forty yards from the back 979 00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:33.159 of my house. That's a six inch forensic rules. Where 980 00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:39.079 it gets really weird, is it a bipedal track line? 981 00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:44.079 So you know, when this stuff starts following you home, 982 00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:46.760 Like literally, where I'm sitting, I can see where that 983 00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:50.559 track line was. You've got to be based in some 984 00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:54.000 sort of belief system to help get you through that, 985 00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:56.760 or it will drive you absolutely crazy and you will 986 00:56:56.800 --> 00:56:57.599 live your life in fear. 987 00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:02.480 Absolutely. We have a couple questions over here I want 988 00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:04.639 to go to we are live, So if you guys 989 00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:06.320 have any other questions, we are coming up on the 990 00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:08.039 end of the show here. But I do have a 991 00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:11.639 couple of comments or questions here. Octopus with No Friends says, So, 992 00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:16.039 if we are only seeing archetypes or what we may expect, 993 00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:19.039 what exactly is it that we are experiencing, what is 994 00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:23.440 the intelligence prior to the collapsing into one possibility thoughts? 995 00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:25.159 Yeah, there are different thoughts on that. 996 00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:25.440 You know. 997 00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:27.920 Of course, ourill caveat it with this that anybody in 998 00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:31.079 this business that tells you they have the answer or 999 00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:33.519 they know the truth with a capital T is either 1000 00:57:33.760 --> 00:57:36.880 lying to you or they're a fool. Okay, we don't 1001 00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:40.559 know what's going on. We're just taking guesses. So I'm 1002 00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:44.119 going to take a guess. Is I think that, you know, 1003 00:57:44.519 --> 00:57:47.400 everything is entangled with everything else on a quantum level. 1004 00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:50.840 There's been some science that goes to that. I'm also 1005 00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:53.440 a remote viewer coordinate remote viewer, so that's one of 1006 00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:55.960 the things that we believe, you know, when we remote view, 1007 00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:01.000 and you know, our experiences, you know, can shape our 1008 00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:08.920 our perception. Everything that you experience isn't real until you 1009 00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:11.119 make it real, until you make it real in that time, 1010 00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:14.880 in that exact moment and that experience. So you know, 1011 00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:18.320 I think that it uses that whatever it is the 1012 00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:24.159 others to interact with this and perhaps influence us. So 1013 00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:28.920 I think it's some sort of cosmic intelligence, if you will. 1014 00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:31.840 I don't think we need to think about and I've 1015 00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:35.159 got to be careful myself about this is thinking about 1016 00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:39.400 things being alive, things being machine, things being organic, things 1017 00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:44.000 being mechanic, things being spiritual, things being you know, you know, terrestrial. 1018 00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:48.199 I don't think in this realm that's how things work. 1019 00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:50.320 I think they work in a total different way that 1020 00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:52.639 we might not. Not only do we might not, we 1021 00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:56.440 do not understand. So you know, how it decides to 1022 00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:58.599 interact with this you know, varies from time to time, 1023 00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:02.199 so you know, you might experience this one day and 1024 00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:05.519 this the next day, and they might be totally separate experiences, 1025 00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:08.360 but it might be the same entity interacting with you, 1026 00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:11.480 albeit in different ways, based either based on your perception 1027 00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:14.280 that day or how it wants to present itself. I 1028 00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:17.760 know that's a roundabout you know, soup salad of you know, 1029 00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:20.239 the word salad of a explanation, but I think it 1030 00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:22.000 you know a lot of it depends on us. It's 1031 00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:22.880 very experiential. 1032 00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:24.039 Uh. 1033 00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:25.840 I think it's important that we look at things from 1034 00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:28.679 that perspective, and uh we have to also you know, 1035 00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:31.159 understand that we might not know what their agenda is, 1036 00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:35.039 you know, but you know it is interesting. Uh you 1037 00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:38.119 know that the archetypes you know, seem to bridge cultures. 1038 00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:40.840 You know that are you know, very vast, so it 1039 00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:43.199 seems to be something that you know, the study of 1040 00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:46.800 symbology and semionics I think is important also, you know, 1041

00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:48.320 to take a look at it and this stuff. 1042 00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:51.880 I think a really good example is, you know, like 1043 00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:54.079 when you watch cartoons as a kid, you know, like 1044 00:59:54.199 --> 00:59:57.320 the Simpsons or other shows like that, and you go, okay, 1045 00:59:57.400 --> 00:59:59.360 this is you know, this is a funny episode or whatever, 1046 00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:03.239 and you watch as an adult and your experiences, the 1047 01:00:03.320 --> 01:00:05.880 things that you've lived through and stuff. You rewatch that 1048 01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:08.800 and you get all these other jokes and oh yeah, 1049 01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:12.000 well innuendos and stuff that you didn't see there, and 1050 01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:14.079 you watch it again later on a few years and 1051 01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:16.320 you see even more and I think that that kind 1052 01:00:16.360 --> 01:00:17.239 of plays exactly. 1053 01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:20.920 That's the observer effect, is you're you're looking at the 1054 01:00:21.039 --> 01:00:23.880 experience from a different point of view, and thus the 1055 01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:27.599 experience has changed, although it might be the same experience exactly. 1056 01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:31.760 They're good, all right. I asked the same question on 1057 01:00:31.840 --> 01:00:34.079 Doug Show you okay, do you feel that the phenomenon 1058 01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:36.320 wraps up the more you look into it, the more 1059 01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:37.440 you stare into the abyss? 1060 01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:41.199 Yes. Two reasons for that, I think. One is I 1061 01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:44.519 think as you study this stuff, you open your mind 1062 01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:47.280 up and you start widening the frequency. I don't know 1063 01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:50.960 if anybody's a Ham radio operator, but you have gated 1064 01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:54.480 frequencies where you narrow down the gate on the frequencies 1065 01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:56.519 you're receiving, so you don't get a lot of chatter 1066 01:00:57.199 --> 01:00:59.440 from either side of the frequency you're looking at. But 1067 01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:01.400 as you open that up, you start getting more data 1068 01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:04.360 in more information. I think as we as humans open 1069 01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:07.960 up that frequency, be it through you know, you know, 1070 01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:13.880 self study, meditation, psychedelic you know, whatever, or just experience. 1071 01:01:14.199 --> 01:01:18.000 You know, experiencing this stuff is we start noticing more 1072 01:01:18.039 --> 01:01:22.760 stuff around us. Like you know, you don't notice volkswagons 1073 01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:25.639 on the road until you start noticing volkswagons and then 1074 01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:28.800 it turns out there everywhere. That's number one. Number two 1075 01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:30.559 is I think once you raise your hand and you 1076 01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:34.599 say hey, nhi, Yeah, I'm cool. You know, I don't 1077 01:01:34.639 --> 01:01:36.840 mind talking to you every once in a while. You know, 1078 01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:38.719 when you're walking down the street corner and your buddy 1079 01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:41.039 sees you on the other side of the road, he'll 1080 01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:43.400 raise his hand and say hi, nhi. Is the same 1081 01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:46.920 way once you become friendly and develop a rapport with it, 1082 01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:49.199 you know, whenever it wants to, it might just stop 1083 01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:51.639 in and say how do The way it says howdy 1084 01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:55.000 sometimes is not as innoculous as a friendly wave, you know, 1085 01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:56.800 it could be something a little bit different, a little 1086 01:01:56.840 --> 01:01:57.440 more terrifying. 1087 01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:02.840 Absolutely that rolls right into this other comment here, Octopus 1088 01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:05.679 with No Friends says, my experience completely lined up with 1089 01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:09.679 what you guys are talking about these things for find 1090 01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:11.960 me more than I find them. It's like they see 1091 01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:13.400 me when I'm out there, and they come to my 1092 01:02:13.480 --> 01:02:15.320 house as well. And I think that you know, we've 1093 01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:17.599 I've talked about this as well. You know, when you 1094 01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:21.480 have certain people say like they see a UFO and 1095 01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:23.440 then that changes their life. And then all of a 1096 01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:25.480 sudden they see a bigfoot and they see ghosts and 1097 01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:27.159 all stuff, and you think, oh, they're just crazy, they're 1098 01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:29.679 making stuff up. But I think what happens is once 1099 01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:34.039 you've had an experience that your mind completely opens up 1100 01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:37.119 and goes, well, if that's real, what else is real? 1101 01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:40.039 And you start looking at this other stuff and you start. 1102 01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:43.960 Seeing them there the whole time exactly exactly. Your perception changes, 1103 01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:47.400 and you know, you start noticing it all the time, 1104 01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:49.480 and yeah, your world is different. Like you know, I 1105 01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:52.920 certainly did not have mysterious dogmen walking through my backyard 1106 01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:58.719 before I started this business, now that you know of, Yeah, 1107 01:02:58.760 --> 01:03:01.119 that's true. Yeah, very good. 1108 01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:03.039 Well, we are coming up on the end of the 1109 01:03:03.079 --> 01:03:05.639 show here. One of the things that I'm going to 1110 01:03:05.679

--> 01:03:07.800 take a second here because I've wanted to ask somebody 1111 01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:09.960 that's worked in government and you know all these UFOL 1112 01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:12.400 things and stuff. I know you haven't had an experience 1113 01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:15.880 with that, but as far as like you know, you 1114 01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:19.159 hear these people come forward and say, you know, when 1115 01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:21.719 we put the Foyer information acts and stuff out there, 1116 01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:25.800 or the requests in for UFO and UAP, we're not 1117 01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:30.320 asking the right questions. We're not calling it right now. Well, 1118 01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:33.840 hang on one second, because what I want to know 1119 01:03:34.119 --> 01:03:37.679 is if you're not asking for the right Q or 1120 01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:41.400 the right names and stuff of these things, what should 1121 01:03:41.440 --> 01:03:44.679 we ask to get bigfoot? Uh? 1122 01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:47.719 You know, I would ask the specific questions. You have 1123 01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:50.840 to be real careful about keywords called quite frankly, you know, 1124 01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:54.360 the days of having a civil servant, you go through 1125 01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:58.159 reams of paper you know isn't done. Is AI is 1126 01:03:58.239 --> 01:04:02.159 used to search huge of lominous you know, data sets, 1127 01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:05.320 and you know, like any kind of Bullian language, you 1128 01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:06.920 have to be really careful on how you phrase it. 1129 01:04:07.760 --> 01:04:12.280 So you know, you would use words like unidentified hominid uh, 1130 01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:19.199 you know, ape, like creature uh. Wild man is another one, 1131 01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:22.840 you know, and start thinking about synonyms you know for that, 1132 01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:26.119 and then also you know you can start narrowing it down, 1133 01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:28.679 you know, land between the Lakes. You know, I know 1134 01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:30.639 there's weird stuff out of land between the Lakes SOS. 1135 01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:33.079 I was there in November and experience some of it, 1136 01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:35.920 you know, and so you can start you're kind of 1137 01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:38.079 narrowing it down like that kind of think about it, 1138 01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:40.000 how you would do a bullyan search like in uh, 1139 01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:43.840 you know Google, you know, and you know, but the 1140 01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:46.599 government's pragmatic. You know, if you don't ask the right questions, 1141 01:04:46.639 --> 01:04:48.400 they're they're not going to give you the data. And 1142 01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:53.639 I had a a cult murder that happened in the 1143 01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:57.840 area near where we research and it took me forever 1144 01:04:58.039 --> 01:05:00.280 to get the agency to release that information. And I 1145 01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:02.880 finally had to you know, pull some strings with some 1146 01:05:03.239 --> 01:05:06.480 you know, higher ranking officials, you know, elected officials and 1147 01:05:06.639 --> 01:05:09.039 get them to go to bat for me. So they're 1148 01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:11.800 kind of reluctant to release the information. And when you 1149 01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:17.599 get into disclosure, you're talking about classifications, classification, security, classification guides, 1150 01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:23.400 uh something called methods and sources of certain kinds of information. 1151 01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:25.639 So that's uh, you know, that's going to be kind 1152 01:05:25.639 --> 01:05:29.000 of a conundrum to crack that cut, that gordian'sknot, you know, 1153 01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:32.880 to get through disclosure on the UFO or UAP phenomena, 1154 01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:34.400 and I think it's a lot broader than what we 1155 01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:35.920 think of is UFOs. 1156 01:05:38.119 --> 01:05:40.000 Real quick, before we wrap up, if you guys have 1157 01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:42.000 any last minute questions, throw them in. We'll try and 1158 01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:44.440 squeeze them in here before we go. But uh, when 1159 01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:47.159 you were talking about the UFO phenomenon and stuff and 1160 01:05:47.519 --> 01:05:49.800 your experience is out in the middle, do you think 1161 01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:54.239 that and again this is no right answer to this, obviously, 1162 01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:57.800 but when when you're looking at we'll say the majority, 1163 01:05:58.519 --> 01:06:02.719 do you think that these things are extraterrestrial off world 1164 01:06:03.159 --> 01:06:06.440 things that people are experiencing, or you think that they're interdimensional? 1165 01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:09.039 I think they're interdimensional. In my first book, I actually 1166 01:06:09.159 --> 01:06:11.599 use a term that I, you know, I kind of 1167 01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:16.400 evolved from you know, John Keel's ultraterrestrial term, and I 1168 01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:18.159 looked at that and I use that as kind of 1169 01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:20.880 a baseline. But the term I I coined is uh 1170 01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:27.000 uh para dimensional, because I think they're para dimensional creatures. 1171 01:06:27.480 --> 01:06:29.760 And then I've also coined a term in my second book, 1172 01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:35.440 uh un Known terrestrial events utes. I was going to 1173 01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:38.840 have it unknown terrestrial incidents, but I thought somebody saying 1174 01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:40.280 I went out in the woods camping and came back 1175 01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:43.880 with a really cool Uti sounded really bad, So it's ute. 1176 01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:46.840 So you know, I think that you know, we kind 1177 01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:49.679 of we

start capturing this stuff, maybe using different terminology, 1178 01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:51.639 but I think they're I don't think it's our space 1179 01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:55.199 brothers from Zeta reticulate, I jumping in their intergalactic Cadillac, 1180 01:06:55.719 --> 01:06:58.599 you know, driving over here, listening to you know, Patsy 1181 01:06:58.639 --> 01:07:03.239 Klein or whatever. I think that it is truly interdimensional. 1182 01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:05.639 I've always been a big fan of the interdmensial hypothesis 1183 01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:08.800 because it makes more sense that way, they can travel 1184 01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:12.760 faster than time. They're not constrained by you know, Euclidean 1185 01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:16.400 and Antonian physics, and quite frankly, they're not even you know, 1186 01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:20.679 bound by quantum physics. And but as we peel back 1187 01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:24.559 the onion and start looking down into the quantum you know, strata, 1188 01:07:25.400 --> 01:07:29.039 we start seeing things that make a little bit more sense, 1189 01:07:29.239 --> 01:07:32.000 you know, as it applies to a UFOs and nhis 1190 01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:34.000 and how they might be able to function and do 1191 01:07:34.480 --> 01:07:38.039 these amazing things. So I am absolutely a proponent of 1192 01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:41.599 the interdimensional hypothesis, Yes, absolutely. 1193 01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:43.199 And I think that that's coming through more and more 1194 01:07:43.280 --> 01:07:46.440 in the hearings and more of the whistleblowers and people. Yeah, 1195 01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:50.679 and I'm very interested in how the UFO community is 1196 01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:54.039 taking that because it's it's the opposite of what everyone's said. 1197 01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:57.119 You know, all these spacemen are coming down in their spaceships, 1198 01:07:57.159 --> 01:07:58.599 and now all these people are coming forward to. 1199 01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:02.519 With well no, some some people in some very well 1200 01:08:02.599 --> 01:08:09.320 known UFO organizations are very strongly entrenched in the extraterrestrial 1201 01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:16.720 hypothesis uh and the physical matter hypothesis and react very vocally, 1202 01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:19.079 you know, if you go against that. But even Jacques 1203 01:08:19.159 --> 01:08:22.720 Vallet you know, leaned more towards, you know, later on 1204 01:08:22.920 --> 01:08:27.039 into the interdimensional hypothesis. So I think, you know, if 1205 01:08:27.079 --> 01:08:30.520 we do get disclosure, uh, and it's not too much 1206 01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:34.079 of an ontological shock to people. I think we're going 1207 01:08:34.199 --> 01:08:37.880 to see some amazing data that you know, like I 1208 01:08:37.960 --> 01:08:40.479 said before, not only are we not alone, we're never alone. 1209 01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:44.800 Absolutely, Yeah, And who's to say we're not being visited 1210 01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:47.800 by both. But yeah, I think I think the majority, 1211 01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:51.119 like you said, is probably here around us all the time, 1212 01:08:51.239 --> 01:08:53.039 and that makes a lot more sense to us. 1213 01:08:53.239 --> 01:08:53.439 Yeah. 1214 01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:57.159 Very cool, awesome man, Trey. I really appreciate your time. 1215 01:08:57.239 --> 01:08:59.279 I have a ton more questions that I could spend 1216 01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:01.680 the next hour asking you, and you know, hopefully we 1217 01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:04.960 get a chance to chat at the Contact Modalities coming 1218 01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:05.239 up here. 1219 01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:08.520 So yeah, I understand they have a you know, a 1220 01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:11.399 meet and greet with a cash bar. So yeah, we'll 1221 01:09:11.439 --> 01:09:12.199 sit around. 1222 01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:17.439 And Friday night and have a few awesome sounds good man. Well, myself, 1223 01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:19.239 Trey and a lot of other great people are going 1224 01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:23.079 to be at Contact Modalities Expo in Delavan, Wisconsin, May 1225 01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:27.159 first through the third. Tickets are available right now at 1226 01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:31.800 Contactmodalities xpo dot com. It's going to be a great weekend. 1227 01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:34.680 Jack Chavez is going to be joining us next week 1228 01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:37.399 as well from that event, and you can hear more 1229 01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:42.239 about that than too. So Ray, one final thought, what 1230 01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:45.119 with all of your experiences that you've had at the 1231 01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:47.399 Meadow and the other places that you've researched, what is 1232 01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:49.079 the one thing that you want to leave people with 1233 01:09:49.159 --> 01:09:49.920 thinking about today? 1234 01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:53.600 What I want to people to realize is the world 1235 01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:57.600 is a lot stranger than they think it is, and 1236 01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:01.760 there is nothing special out. What I did when I 1237 01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:05.039 started researching the Meadow, I just dug into the folklore. 1238 01:10:05.680 --> 01:10:09.319 I started looking at GEO concentrations of UFO, Bigfoot and 1239 01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:14.319 paranormal activities. I found a concentration and I started looking 1240 01:10:14.319 --> 01:10:16.960 into it. And the cool thing is people might have 1241 01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:20.439 one of these locations within five miles of where they're 1242 01:10:20.479 --> 01:10:22.119 sitting right now. They just got to get out there 1243 01:10:22.159 --> 01:10:22.840 and do the research. 1244 01:10:23.960 --> 01:10:27.840 Absolutely, absolutely good point. Man, Well, I look forward to 1245 01:10:28.199 --> 01:10:30.600 meeting you in person and having a good chat and 1246 01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:33.640 seeing your presentation. So until then, man, thank you so 1247 01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:35.279 much for your time, Thank you for coming on, and 1248 01:10:35.640 --> 01:10:37.199 keep up the good work. Stay safe over there. 1249 01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:38.560 Thank you, thanks for having me. 1250 01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:43.560 I'll talk to you there all right, guys. That is 1251 01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:45.760 our show for this week. Thank you all for tuning in. 1252 01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:49.000 Trey Hudson has two books available. The links are in 1253 01:10:49.079 --> 01:10:51.079 the show notes the Metal Project and Returned to the 1254 01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:55.079 Meadow as well as the Metal Project documentary is all 1255 01:10:55.159 --> 01:10:58.479 in the show notes. The links in there, And if 1256 01:10:58.520 --> 01:11:02.760 you guys are anywhere in Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota, Michigan, any 1257 01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:05.560 of that area, come on out to the Contact Modalities 1258 01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:10.560 Expo and meet Trey and myself in person at that event. 1259 01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:12.600 It's gonna be a great time. Looking forward to everyone 1260 01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:16.159 seeing you there. So until next time, guys, next week's 1261 01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:19.520 episode is pre recorded. We have Jack Chavez from the 1262 01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:22.840 Paranormal Chicago Convention joining us to talk about the men 1263 01:11:22.920 --> 01:11:26.119 in Black. So until then, guys, remember we are all 1264 01:11:26.199 --> 01:11:29.520 part of the paranormal spectrum. Take care, be well, and 1265 01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:30.399 I'll see you next week. 1266 01:11:32.880 --> 01:11:33.680 You seem to know. 1267 01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:36.079 Something, don't. 1268 01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:43.119 Let's call me O King and Heavy please, that's next thing. 1269 01:11:44.479 --> 01:11:46.560 Streets on pages in the room. 1270 01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:47.119 I can. 1271 01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:03.720 O come a Bird Ka you always some album. 1272 01:12:03.880 --> 01:12:08.319 Body's Come a Bird, K's atronic jere 1273 01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:17.359 H