Full Transcript for Episode 211: The Haunted Historic Menger Hotel Part 2

00:02:04.680 them. They have drinks in their hand and they're like looking at the room. 31 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:06.879 They're taking a picture of the door and stuff, and I'm looking at 32 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:08.759 them and look at them, and we don't want to go out behind them 33 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:12.039 and be like move out of the way, you know. So we're just 34 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:15.039 kind of casually off to the side talking and then I see them leave and 35 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:17.759 I just like turned to them and I said, y'all want to come in 36 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:21.919 this room? And they were like what. And I'm like, do y'all 37 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:25.639 want to come see the King Ranch Room? And they're like yeah, yeah. 38 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:28.400 So I thought, man, I had to let them. They are 39 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:30.319 so curious about it. I had to let them in. Yeah. I 40 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:32.400 would want to see it. I would want someone to do that for me, 41 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:38.719 So I had to let them come. It was cool. Yeah. 42 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:44.800 So anyways, Yeah, to get back to like our story, So King 43 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:49.960 Ranch Room, we had some things happen before I want to talk about that. 44 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:53.240 I'll talk about Angela since we talked about cigar smoke. Now. Angela 45 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:58.400 gave us the tour everywhere in some history and she was talking about some paranormal 46 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:05.199 ish things that happen, and she mentioned this one particular hallway where employees say 47 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:10.360 they had experienced missing time. Yeah, and it was really strange like and 48 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:15.439 then she said there was this one hallway and I don't think if she knew 49 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:17.400 if they were the same hallways, because she had heard the stories and then 50 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:22.360 she had an experience in a hallway too where she felt like this pressure or 51 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:27.199 whatever on her and it made her feel really uncomfortable. So she was talking 52 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:30.039 about that and we after we talked with her, we were like, let's 53 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:32.520 go look for this hallway, you know, let's go see if we feel 54 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:37.680 anything walking in this hallway, you know. So we're walking and right before 55 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:40.159 we turned this corner or returned this corner, we got and this is before 56 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:45.599 the King Ranch smoke hit us. Yeah, we were hit with a puff 57 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:49.439 of cigar smoke. And we were like, well, this was the first 58 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:53.879 one. I think the King Ranch one was second. And I was like, 59 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:55.199 oh my gosh, did you did you smile that? You were like 60 00:03:55.280 --> 00:04:00.000 yeah, I was recording. I was like, let me go back. 61 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:02.360 Let's go back and walk again, because maybe somebody's smoking. It's a non 62 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:05.159 smoking hotel, but damn no, people are doing shit. And I'm like, 63 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:08.560 well, let's like walk. So we're like turn around. We walked 64 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:10.680 back and we're like no, it's gone. And then we turned around and 65 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:14.080 did it again. We're like nope, Like I don't smell anything. So 66 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:16.040 it was weird. It was just that a few seconds of just like a 67 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:21.040 cigar smoke, and then it was gone again. So we did walk down 68 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:26.199 some hallways. We walked down one hallway which she talked about having that pressure 69 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:31.160 on her and we didn't really feel anything. But I'll say this that the 70 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:38.360 hallway was disorienting just the way it was built. It was like an added 71 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:41.399 on hallway to connect I think, from an old part to the new part 72 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:45.839 of the hotel. It was slightly on an incline, there was windows on 73 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:49.040 both sides. It was narrow, and it was no air conditioning, and 74 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:54.439 it was hot and just walking there you felt nauseated. And I'm like, 75 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:58.040 I don't know, like I've just built gross in this hall because it's just 76 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:01.800 this little weird so section of a hallway on either side of the walls and 77 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:06.800 everything of it too. There were like these like these little like decorative like 78 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:11.519 like uh not not I'm saying, I want to say shingles and that is 79 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:14.720 not the right word, like blinds or something blinds or whatever, right, 80 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:16.959 Like it was just speeds or something like that, and it was disorienting. 81 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:21.319 Yeah, it's like the way that the sun was coming in. So I'll 82 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:27.120 use it this as an example. Anybody who's been to like a Ripley's Believe 83 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:30.120 It or Not. They always they have that tunnel that you can walk through 84 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:35.079 that is disorienting. And I felt the same way walking through that hallway that 85 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:39.399 I feel at that Ripley's Believe It or Not when they have like all the 86 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:43.000 things spinning around and everything like that. So yeah, I feel like you 87 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:47.240 have the combination of the incline, the temperature, massive temperature change in the 88 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:53.160 hallway going from like a normal air conditioned hallway to a hot hallway. Then 89 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:57.519 you have the sun coming in

either side and little beams of light and everything 90 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:01.079 like that. Like ing it is, it's like and I think it's just 91 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:06.360 like your senses make it seem that way. We spent a little bit of 92 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:10.319 time in there just to see if we could get any sort of activity recorded, 93 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:13.120 and we didn't. We are, yeah, no EMF or anything, 94 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:20.439 so but it was disorienting. We felt like like what she was telling us 95 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:24.480 immediately as soon as we got in there, we just wanted to kind of 96 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:30.279 like figure out maybe not everything is paranormal, but that I don't believe that 97 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:32.720 was the same hallway because she said it was the maid's cleaning rooms that were 98 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:38.560 doing like some weird lost time. Yeah, she I think it was the 99 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:43.920 third floor. Yeah, that was where people were losing time, like they 100 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:47.199 would be like, I have no idea here, which is wild to me. 101 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:51.720 So some of the weird things that kind of happened to us that we're 102 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:57.639 gonna explained before we get into the Keen Ranch room. So right away when 103 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:00.319 we got into our room we checked in. I have like this shopping bag, 104 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:05.360 and I have the noise canceling headphones, my EMF and the spirit boxes 105 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:11.040 and I always had my spirit box inside of its own little box, but 106 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:14.160 I had it out this time because I was messing with it like at my 107 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:15.879 house, and then I just threw it in the bag. So there's not 108 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:19.079 a lot of things in this bag. For anybody wondering which spirit box we 109 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:24.959 use, we use the sp seven anody is wondering while we're describing it. 110 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:29.560 Yeah. So so we're there in the room. We put all our stuff 111 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:31.800 down. We had been you know, we we had gone out and did 112 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:36.040 stuff and we came back and the spirit box was on and I was like, 113 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:39.040 oh, this is on. It had just been sitting there and it 114 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:41.560 wasn't on before. And so I looked at it and I was like, 115 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:46.279 oh, well, it was not in its box, so maybe like something 116 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:48.199 was pressing on it and it turned it on. The thing is you have 117 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:51.839 to like if anyone knows they have that, you have to press and hold 118 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:56.040 the button for it to turn on. Right. Yeah, So I just 119 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:58.040 kind of brushed it off. I was like whatever, I put it back 120 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:00.439 in its box so it wouldn't do it again, and run the bat out. 121 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:03.720 We went out again, came back, it was on inside of the 122 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:07.639 box again. I was like, no way, I can't believe that has 123 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:11.560 never happened for I've never had it turn on like that before. That has 124 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:15.759 never happened. I have it in my room twenty four seven, doesn't turn 125 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:16.879 off. I say, it's been a little bit since we've been to the 126 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:20.120 manger and everything. As it happened again. Now, yeah, I would 127 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:22.560 be creep the fuck out of that. Yeah, you'd be like, I'm 128 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.160 out of here, I'll see you later. Yeah. So that was my 129 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:33.039 car. That was something creepy, and I think like the other thing is 130 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:37.240 creepy with like the EMF went off on the bed. Yeah, I put 131 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:39.879 it down, it wasn't lighting up, and then all of a sudden it 132 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:43.759 starts beeping and lighting up, and I mean, I'm pretty sure we debunked 133 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:46.200 it, but it like freaked me out at first because I thought, no 134 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:50.679 way, because there was a delayed response of it going off. It didn't 135 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:52.600 go off right away, and I was like, no way, there's something 136 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:56.200 on my bed. But I think we figured it was just electrical, so 137 00:08:56.279 --> 00:09:01.720 that was something fun. Also, two times a TV went off when we 138 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:05.799 were in the room we were sleeping. It turned itself off twice, and 139 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:09.240 we kind of just chalked it up to and it probably was it was just 140 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:13.559 like a malfunction of the TV or it was on a timer or something right 141 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:18.399 like. Yet, we tried to debunk it by leaving it on all day 142 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:22.720 and while we were out to see if it would just turn itself off after 143 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:24.559 like an activity, and it never did, so I don't know if it 144 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:26.799 was maybe it has a nighttime timer on it, I know, like so 145 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:31.039 it would have been super late at night when it went off. In my 146 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:37.240 office that I use every day has a timer on it where it will like 147 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:45.159 eventually turn itself off, But it does it every single time without fault. 148 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:50.399 Okay, this is really strange to me that we would have the TV on 149 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:52.480 and it's not like we were going to bed like super early. We were 150 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:58.279 going to bed late because we were doing investigation

stuff and everything. And yeah, 151 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:01.559 we would have the TV on and we would leave it on and then 152 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:05.440 we would have your an investigation. You need to have some noise, Yeah, 153 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:09.840 you need to have something. Try to go to sleep. So the 154 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:13.679 TV is on and it would be off when we would wake up. And 155 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:16.600 so we're thinking, you know, that's it's you know, it's a long 156 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:20.559 time that we're we're asleep and everything. But it's not like, you know, 157 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:24.120 the TV has been on like a super long period of time. And 158 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:26.799 so we decided to try and debunk it by leaving it on all day. 159 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:30.759 Now we had gone out. We left early in the morning to do a 160 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:35.840 sight seeing tour with the City sight Seeing San Antonio. Thank you to them, 161 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:37.919 by the way for allowing us to do that. So we did that 162 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:41.720 and we were out like literally for hours and hours and hours, and we 163 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:46.360 came back and the TV was still on. So I can't I can't explain 164 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:50.519 it. I mean, obviously there's things that can be explained, like you 165 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:54.799 know, like sleep timers, default timers, screen savers, things like that. 166 00:10:54.320 --> 00:11:00.639 But for it to not work at some points and and and then work 167 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:03.480 at other points doesn't make it just doesn't make sense to me. So actually 168 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:07.879 there's a rational explanation for it, Yeah, there has to be. It 169 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:13.440 was just it's just a weird, weird, weird thing. So that so 170 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:16.159 the first night we were there, like we said before, from Hay Strangeness, 171 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:20.320 we met up with Aaron and Sarah. I had a drink with them, 172 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:22.879 brought them up to the King Ranch so that we could do a spirit 173 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:30.840 box session with them. And BJ went first and he did the whole blindfold 174 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:37.360 and noise canceling headphones. He was sitting on the bed, on King's bed 175 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:43.080 where he died. Yeah, Aaron and Sarah were sitting on that little antique 176 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:48.159 couch next to the bed, and I was in like in line with the 177 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:50.120 door, and you were foot of the bed. You were in the punishment 178 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:54.360 chair the chair, yeah, yeah, at the foot of the bed. 179 00:11:54.039 --> 00:12:01.360 So several times ZERI the spirit box session, I heard the floor in the 180 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:05.200 living room area creak. So there was this half side table by the door, 181 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:09.840 and when you walked by it into this little hallway that led to the 182 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:13.639 bathroom and then to the bedroom. There was a creaking sound, so every 183 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:16.720 time we walked by, you could hear like it was creaking. Pretty much 184 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:22.240 like several times during BJ's investigation, I was hearing this creaking sound outside over 185 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:26.399 there, and I would hear it, you know, and it would catch 186 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:31.559 my attention. And I saw Sarah several times kind of lean and look out 187 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:35.080 towards the door to the living room, and I was thinking, like, 188 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:37.360 she's hearing it, She's hearing what I'm hearing too, you know, And 189 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:41.480 I saw, you know, at one point she whispered something to Aaron or 190 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:45.000 something, and I was like, okay, so like I'm not the only 191 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:46.279 ones. And then I kind of put it out of my head because we 192 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:50.440 were doing the session. And later I asked you, I was like, 193 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:54.200 you know, text them and see if they heard the floor creaking, and 194 00:12:54.720 --> 00:13:01.519 Sarah said she didn't, but she felt like someone was in that room watching 195 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:05.879 right right. Yeah. Yeah, they said that there was something like that 196 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:09.720 was just like there was a presence in there in that like living room area, 197 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:15.919 and it just kept like you know, and what's really awesome is we 198 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:22.200 captured the creaking noises on the video because we have a video of the spare 199 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:26.759 Box session and you can hear the creaking noises intermittently throughout the whole video, 200 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:31.360 and I'm yes, I was afraid the phone wasn't going to pick it up, 201 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:37.799 but it did. So yeah. J went first, and we had 202 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:41.320 some like you know, interesting things happen, and I'm just gonna go over 203 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:46.759 a few things that happened with him. So uh, Like I said, 204 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:50.440 BJ sitting on the bed and he says one of the things, he says, 205 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:52.399 his look around, And I asked, do you want us to look 206 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:58.000 around? I can't see you and BJ says he's under here. I was 207 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:00.960 thinking, like, I'm not looking under that bed. That is creepy. 208 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:05.279 As I was like so self conscious after you said that, like I almost 209 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:07.240 wanted to feel I like, yeah, pull it lights up. I was 210 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:09.960 like, uh, because I'm sitting at the foot of the bed, you 211

00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:13.759 know. With my I was like, oh, man, listen, I 212 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:16.879 will say this though, like even if you did feel like that or anything 213 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:18.919 like on all the recordings that we had, whether it was like the video 214 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:24.519 of the actual session going on or the EVP stuff that we went through, 215 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:28.120 and everything, like you sounded very brave the entire time I try. You 216 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:33.720 did put on a good show. Yeah. So Aaron then says, hoop's 217 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:37.720 under there, and there was no answer, right, And I asked, 218 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:43.120 can you tell us your name? And DJ says I don't care to and 219 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:46.679 then I say, my name's you know, Mitra, and I just want 220 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:48.759 to talk to you a little bit, and you say, don't bother me. 221 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:52.200 And then I'm a recollection to this either. I don't know if anybody 222 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:56.679 else ever does the methods, Like, I have no recollection of the things 223 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:58.399 that I said during it at all. Well, it's funny because you would 224 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:01.440 say things and they would just be funny and I would just be snickering and 225 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:05.240 laughing there. So there's many times in which I'm like kind of snickering and 226 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:09.519 laughing. So Aaron asks, is this your room? Are we intruding in 227 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:13.039 your space? And then you say, doesn't matter to me. You're a 228 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:18.919 liar, you've been beat and don't trust her, okay, And then I 229 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:24.120 start laughing again, and I kind of turned to Aaron Sarah and I said, 230 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:26.360 did you hear that guys shouldn't trust me or whatever? And then we're 231 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:31.480 like snickering and laughing and then PJ goes, what's your last name? So 232 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:35.120 then I say my last name and then I ask what is your last name? 233 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:39.759 And BJ goes ghost and I ask are you a ghost? And he 234 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:43.759 says no, And I said, then what are you? And you say 235 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:48.320 in my home? I say you are in your home? And then you 236 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:54.600 say you're laughing, which I had just been laughing and it's so creepy. 237 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:58.440 Yeah, And I say, is this where you live? And BJ says, 238 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:02.879 you're wise, the room is not here, which just kind of like 239 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:07.879 blows my mind a little bit. The room is not here. It kind 240 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:11.039 of like, I don't know, it's like on a different plane of existence. 241 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:14.840 The room really isn't here, you know what I mean. They're a 242 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:17.559 ghost. They're saying they're not a ghost, but they're a ghost, or 243 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:19.240 maybe they don't know they're a ghost, and the room isn't really here. 244 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:22.600 Yeah, like we're not really here. Like it when you start thinking about 245 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:26.200 it's a little it's a little trippy, it is. So anyways, you 246 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:30.000 say your wise, the room is not here, and they immediately say, 247 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:36.759 noise canceling, it's true. And I'm like, okay, because he's got 248 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:38.360 the noise canceling headphones on and it's like, really, you know, it's 249 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:41.559 really weird. So I say, do you like this room? Is this 250 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:45.679 your room? And then you say stop it? I mean it, And 251 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:49.120 then BJ says I could grab him. And then I start to kind of 252 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:55.360 like egg the ghost on and say you can grab BJ. You can touch 253 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:57.200 him. I said, he scares easily. If you touch him, he'll 254 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:03.360 jump, and then BJ says he's weak. I say he's not weak, 255 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:06.480 he just gets a little frightened. You can scare him if you touch him. 256 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:11.480 BJ says so what. BJ says so what? And then you say 257 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:17.319 scary lie, and I say you can. You can scare BJ. I 258 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:21.960 said, are you scared? And then BJ says hand and then he pauses 259 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:25.559 and he goes higher, and I say you can touch him with your hand, 260 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:30.119 and then BJ says my bed And I ask is this your bed? 261 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:33.720 And BJ's you know, sitting in it and he says yes. So at 262 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:37.200 this point I'm thinking I'm talking to, you know, Richard King, and 263 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:40.440 I kind of asked, you know, am I talking to Captain Richard King? 264 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:45.240 And BJ says never, never do it and then he says all rise, 265 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:48.759 So I said, do you want us to stand up. So I 266 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:53.319 stood up in Aaron and Sarah also stood up. And when we stood up, 267 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:57.799 BJ suddenly like kind of gasps and jumps, like he jumps in his 268 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:02.559 skin and he rips off the blindfold in the headphones and he looks around and 269 00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:03.960 you can see him in the videos like he's surprised, like why are y'all 270 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:08.240 standing? Yeah, and he said I felt like I was shaky, And 271 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:12.039 I said, did you feel like you were being And you kind of looked 272 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:15.440 up at your arm and you said, yeah, I feel like something touched 273 00:18:15.480 -->

00:18:18.880 me. And I was like, well, I asked it to grab touch 274 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:23.559 you and you were like what, that is not the only time that I 275 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:32.839 got touched in that room. Yeah, whatever was in there took a liking 276 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:36.880 to me, and there was a lot of crazy stuff that I feel like 277 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:38.400 I opened it up because I was like, yo, you can touch him. 278 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:44.200 And then after that it was messing with us. That's the thing I 279 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:48.200 did. But I think after like that conversation talking about scaring you and stuff 280 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:53.279 like that, I think so. So Aaron did it next, and we 281 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:56.119 didn't really get much with Aaron. This was the first time doing the spirit 282 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:00.119 Box and I don't think he was coming with it, you know, which 283 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:04.480 I totally understand because I think it takes a while to kind of condition yourself 284 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:07.039 to it, you know what I mean. And then I did it. 285 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:10.240 I was not I was just like, I was not comfortable. But the 286 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:12.839 very first thing he says, we ask who is here with us? And 287 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:18.240 he says White. So immediately we're going to Sally White and we're asking a 288 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:21.839 Sally White and everything, but we're not doing any answers or anything. He 289 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:26.200 does say the name Peter. He says home, and he says stay. 290 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:30.200 Yeah. So it was kind of like a lot of the things that we 291 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:33.279 were getting with the Spirit box, and every time we were getting was a 292 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:37.799 lot of the like home, this is my place, is my home, 293 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:40.240 this is my room, Like this is this is mine, this is my 294 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:42.680 area. You know. That was the first That was the first night that 295 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:47.039 week. That was the first night. Yeah. So next night we do 296 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:52.119 another spirit session and I believe that's when we did the cigar smelling. Was 297 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:56.559 that time we had split it into two, so we had gone we went 298 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:00.480 in there in the middle of the afternoon and you did the spirit about session 299 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:04.240 and then we also set some equipment up to try and capture some things throughout 300 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:07.839 the day while we were off. One of the things I tried to do 301 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:11.079 so I put a cat ball on a piece of paper. Yeah, in 302 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:17.319 the area that I was hearing the floor creaking. So I was like, 303 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:21.359 this is exactly where the floor is creaking. I heard

it multiple times. 304 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:22.519 I'm gonna put this piece of paper here, I'm gonna put the cat ball 305 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:25.759 on. I'm gonna draw a circle around it, right, and if this 306 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:29.799 moves, we're gonna know. You will know. Yeah, And it did 307 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:33.920 not move. No, very just pointed yeah on the table the desk that 308 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:37.319 was in the parlor too, because I was hoping that it would move off 309 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:40.559 of it, because I was like, if it rolls off of there, 310 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:44.079 then we know that it was touched. One also did not move, so 311 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:48.640 so nothing happened. So I go under from my spirit box session. That 312 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:52.200 second night, I'm sitting on that little antique couch next to the bed, 313 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:57.519 not on the bed, and my session got really weird. Yeah, really 314 00:20:57.559 --> 00:21:03.240 really weird. So BJ talks and he's asking who's here, and I'm saying 315 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:10.440 what seems to be nonsense, and then aggressively I say four what's your problem? 316 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:14.000 And I went back and counted how many times I said hi, because 317 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:17.400 it's like this happens all the time in our spirit box, Like we'll start 318 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:19.680 it and somebody will say hi, you know, and it's like a person's 319 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:23.000 coming in, like a spirit's walking in and saying hi. I said Hi 320 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:29.400 four times, and you kept talking and you had asked like how many are 321 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:30.960 here or whatever, and it was like I was. It was like they 322 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:34.559 were frustrating. They were like, yeah, four, you know, and 323 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:40.359 they were just like they said four, what's your problem? Can't you count? 324 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:44.640 Yea? So it was pretty funny. And then I say greetings, 325 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:49.920 and BJ says he starts talking, and then I say everyone greetings, and 326 00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:53.640 then I started talking about a peacock, and then I say spirit and then 327 00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:59.839 I say next in wings and immediately your brain went to peacock the streaming service, 328 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:04.160 but I think they were talking about a bird cock and they were saying 329 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:08.039 wings. And I tried to figure out if there was ever like a peacock 330 00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:11.599 on the property, because I know sometimes own hotels they had like exotic weird 331 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:17.119 animals walking around just for looky lose, you know. We couldn't confirm if 332 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:22.559 there were any peacocks there, but I thought it was weird. So and 333 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:27.960 then I say, angry, it's only for profit and marked. And you 334 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:33.920 say what is marked? And I said soul. Yeah, you said your 335 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:37.279 soul is marked by who? And I say folks. Folks. Says in 336 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:40.079 like, you know, like people, folks you know, and I say 337 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:45.720 folks. And then I say it's all mixed up. There's none. It's 338 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:49.559 hard God. And BJ's like, what is hard? And I say, 339 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:56.680 peace, you have to see, I believe see. And BJ says he's 340 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:00.559 asking, like to knock on something so that we know that somebody's there, 341 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:03.240 and I say, don't touch, don't knock on something. I guess. 342 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:08.240 And then this is where it starts to get weird. I say, help, 343 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:15.240 it hurts a curse and then Jesus and BJ's like, okay, wait, 344 00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:18.039 we don't know of any curse in this hotel or anything. You're talking 345 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:22.480 about what's going on here? Right? Yeah? Like I needed an explanation 346 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:25.640 for what the heck was? Yeah, And he asks he had been asking 347 00:23:25.960 --> 00:23:27.880 for a name, and he asks again, who are we speaking with? 348 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:33.519 Tell me your name? And then I hear something whispered in my ear not 349 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:38.079 through the spirit box. Yes, this is in my ear, and I 350 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:42.200 was in disbelief and I didn't even want to repeat it because I was like, 351 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:47.440 no, I did not just hear this. And when you watch the 352 00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:51.319 video you can see me shaking my head no as I say it, because 353 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:57.079 I was in disbelieved. But it whispered demon in my ear, and I 354 00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:00.920 did not believe it when I heard it, like I felt like it was 355 00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:06.359 messing with me and it was making me say demon. And BJ immediately goes, 356 00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:11.200 wow, okay, I'm not a big demon guy. Yeah, And 357 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:15.960 then I say break And then I say break and BJ says, are you 358 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:18.680 playing a trick on us? Or do you want to do you want to 359 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:21.960 try to take a break or you're trying to break us? And then I 360 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:26.000 say break, sit down, look up? And then I say running naked? 361 00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:30.319 Can I see symptoms? Can I tell you that? When you said 362 00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:37.799 sit down, look up? Like I very very slowly looked up. Oh 363 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:41.119 yeah. I was like, oh my god, Like what am I going 364 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:45.440 to see? Anytime anytime you say something like turn around, look behind you, 365 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:47.839 I do

all those things. Says I'm like, okay, I'm gonna 366 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:48.720 do it, Like what am I gonna see. I'm gonna look up and 367 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:55.400 I'm gonna see like the grudge like person like crawling on the something. No, 368 00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:59.599 thank you, I don't want to see this. So anyways, yeah, 369 00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:03.680 I'm saying these. I'm saying running naked, see symptoms twenty years old. 370 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:07.400 And then I say sin much, and you're like, well we sin 371 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:12.039 sometimes, you know, and you're going And then I say twenty zero soon, 372 00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:18.519 twenty safe and then I say the name Jessica R. And BJ asks 373 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:26.240 who is Jessica? And I say me, and then I say raped locked 374 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:33.519 twenty six seven C. And then something comes in and says good evening, 375 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:40.119 Jessica and says hear me, and BJ says be loud, and I say 376 00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:44.759 words, and BJ asked, is Jessica being silence? And I say Jessica 377 00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:48.440 again, and BJ asked, if something happened to you? And I say, 378 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:59.079 Hayden priest Faith died seventy Chase forests, trapped, Chase and it was 379 00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:04.319 just so wild, and BJ's asking who is chasing you? You're trapped. 380 00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:08.319 I'm trying to help you, and then I say I know because he was 381 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:11.039 getting like, you know, because he wasn't getting the answers he wanted, 382 00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:14.039 and he was like, I'm trying to help you, and it was just 383 00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:15.799 like she was just like, I know, I know you're trying to help 384 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:18.200 me. It was just such a the way I said, I know, 385 00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:25.000 it was so weird to your response, like things got really chaotic really fast 386 00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:30.400 during your session there the responses, I was like so overwhelmed that I just 387 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:33.160 didn't even know what to do at some point. And then I'm even kidding 388 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.119 you, I'm not even joking. I start hearing things from the other room 389 00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:42.720 and yeah, well I went out there. Well this is before, this 390 00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:48.039 is before, so I'm so, I say, I know, and he 391 00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:51.640 says again, I'm trying to help you. And then I say watching, 392 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:57.160 and BJ says who is watching? And I say chase. And this is 393 00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:02.279 when you get touched again and you set it on camera. You're like, 394 00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:06.640 something just touched me. And then you're like, I don't give you permission 395 00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:11.319 to touch me. And then I say switched heads. And this is when 396 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.000 you walk into the living room. And right when you walk into the room 397 00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:19.039 the living room, I say, hi, like something was there with you 398 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:27.240 and you're safe off you're saying things in the other room and it's not I 399 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:33.279 can't really make out what you're saying, but I'm saying chase again and then 400 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:37.279 safe and it's just like the weirdest thing. While you're in there. I 401 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:42.839 also say hurt Henry, which was Sally White's husband, and then I say 402 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:48.920 watch and I said smashed his something and I can't make it out, and 403 00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:53.000 then I said three, and then smashed again, and then Elizabeth, and 404 00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:57.519 then I hear another whisper in my ear, not in the not through the 405 00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:03.480 spear box, like in my ear here, shut up, turn it off. 406 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:07.319 Yeah, and BJ's like, okay, like that's it now, like 407 00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:11.200 he was done. He goes over there, scares me out of it again, 408 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:15.000 you know, freaked me the hell out now more. All of that 409 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.240 happened while all of that is going on, and you're getting the whisper in 410 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:22.359 your ear. Did you get it on camera too? That I like, 411 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:29.519 at that point have literal chills up and down my entire body. You said 412 00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:33.319 it, you said something on there. But it was just so weird because 413 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:37.200 I said Jessica of the name three times, I believe, so I filmed 414 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:44.559 as though there was something over me, almost like it was like like a 415 00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:49.799 blanket of whatever, and I got cold and it was like from the back 416 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:55.759 bottom of my leg all the way up to my head. It got cold, 417 00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:59.839 and I got tingly and if you remember and if you recall correct, 418 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:07.240 we went back to our room after that and I passed out. I was 419 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:12.759 drained of energy. And that has never happened to me before at any investigation 420 00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:18.160 that we've ever done. I do that's that's that's that's that's not me, 421 00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:21.759 you know, I do not. That doesn't happen to me. And I 422 00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:26.200 got touched multiple times, and then that last time when it literally felt like 423 00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:30.759 there was something there like running itself up and down me. I don't It 424 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:33.160 just took so much out of me. And I don't know if it was 425 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:37.880 using my energy to communicate with you and it was just like like siphoning it 426

00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:40.880 off or something, but I don't know, but it was when I was 427 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:48.359 doing it. Yeah, I don't know how to describe when I don't want 428 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:52.319 to say the word a trance, but that's what it felt like. I 429 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:55.680 was in the zone. I guess I was like in the zone with the 430 00:29:55.759 --> 00:30:00.400 spirit box, and it just suddenly started to come really easily and fast, 431 00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:04.880 Like she said, channel it stop. It was like channeling something and it 432 00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:08.880 was just becoming easy, you know what I mean. Yeah, And I 433 00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:15.279 was my heart was racing because she's saying like raped, chase, locked trap, 434 00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.039 you know, and I'm like thinking, my heads were going wild. 435 00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:21.119 I was like, what the hell happened to Jessica? You know, what 436 00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:26.279 happened to this girl? You know? And it just kind of like shocked 437 00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:29.240 me because we didn't even we haven't heard any stories about any Jessica there, 438 00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:33.799 you know, And we asked them everybody that we came across, like this, 439 00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:36.759 the name Jessica mean anything? Like can you go through things? They 440 00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:40.480 mean? They went through employee records for us. Jessica did not come up. 441 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:45.640 No. And I got the name Jessica three times her being chased. 442 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.000 I think it was like three or four times it came through. And it's 443 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:52.319 just like it was incredible and like me being like, you know, I'm 444 00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:56.079 gonna play detective. I'm over there. I've been searching all throughout, you 445 00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:59.759 know, the entire time, scary back, who was this Jessica? And 446 00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:03.720 I'm trying to just do generic shirts as like Jessica missing in Santonio, Jessica 447 00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.240 killed in Santo, like any any kind of thing. Here's the thing. 448 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.200 Jessica as a very common name, and a lot of bad things have happened 449 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:15.279 to Jessica's not just in Santonio, but in Texas and all over the country. 450 00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.759 So I don't think we'll find any answers with Jessica. But it was 451 00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:26.160 really weird, and it was like she really wanted to come through and say 452 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:30.319 what happened, you know, and maybe she's just kind of stuck there and 453 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:33.920 need somebody to say thing. And we kind of this conversation about why would 454 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.119 she be there, Like if it wasn't associated with the hotel, you know, 455 00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:41.759 maybe she's just coming through because there was an opportunity because somebody had a 456 00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:45.759 device and she was able to just channel and come through, and she didn't 457 00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:49.640 have anything to do with the hotel, maybe not even with Santonio. You 458 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:52.319 know, who the hell knows how these things work. Well, you know, 459 00:31:52.680 --> 00:32:00.319 we already we already discussed earlier that s that San Antonio that is is 460 00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:04.920 the most haunted hotel in San Antonio, Right, there's a lot of activity 461 00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:07.279 there. They said that there's I think mostly thirty two ghosts. Thirty two 462 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:13.119 different spirits have been identified, not fully identified, but they've been identified as 463 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:17.640 thirty two separate different types. And so that got me thinking about, you 464 00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:21.680 know, if we had this other name coming through from somebody else and everything, 465 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:25.960 what if these places like that that already have a lot of spirits attached 466 00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:30.240 to it. They constantly have people coming in and out, there's people that 467 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:34.279 work there all the time. It's a very lively area downtown. What if 468 00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:38.839 something like that becomes like a conduit for spiritual energy, right, if it's 469 00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:45.000 out there and it needs a place where it can exist, wouldn't it go 470 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:47.559 to someplace that's like a high energy place like that already, you know what 471 00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:52.200 I mean, Yeah, it's just drawn to it. Who knows, I 472 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:57.720 think it's it's I mean, it's entirely possible, obviously, everything and I 473 00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:00.559 don't know, like there's so many Jessica's, But the significant thing is if 474 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:05.960 anyone's listening to. The significant thing was her name was Jessica, And we 475 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:09.599 kept getting the number twenty, and the last thing was twenty and there was 476 00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:13.880 a pause in six almost like it was twenty six. So I don't know 477 00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:16.599 if that was she was trying to get to twenty six, but she kept 478 00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:21.359 doing twenty twenty and then last was twenty six, or if it was a 479 00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:24.599 year twenty twenty, or if she was twenty years old, because the last 480 00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:30.359 the first was twenty years old. Yeah, so twenty is significant somehow, 481 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.079 So Jessica twenty and if she was missing yea, if she was great, 482 00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:39.240 if she is trapped and locked somewhere. But it was running naked in a 483 00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:43.680 forest. That's what I get this

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Make the switch like I did, feel healthier and support small business 502 00:34:53.880 --> 00:35:00.800 the black Stuff dot Com. Anybody knows anything bit just sign eificant to anyone. 503 00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:05.000 I don't know why it would be, but I just have like I 504 00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:08.159 feel like I need to say something. Yeah, So that was that. 505 00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:12.320 We didn't get any answers from any of the stuff or anything of who that 506 00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:15.960 could have been an employer or anything. And clearly no other person has gotten 507 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:19.480 that. And maybe she just reached out to us because we had this device, 508 00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:22.320 and maybe because I was a girl and she wanted to come through to 509 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:24.159 me, you know, I don't know. Yeah, we tried the next 510 00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:29.760 days when we were there to contact her again and we had no luck. 511 00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:35.440 The next day we were there, we decided to do some spirit box and 512 00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:38.719 EVP sessions. Well, we did one EVP session in the King Ranch room. 513 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:42.719 Yeah, and I don't think we got anything significant on that. There 514 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:46.960 was there was absolutely nothing conclusive with that. Also, it's important to note 515 00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:52.719 that, you know, we were at a very active public self and where 516 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:59.199 the King Ranch suite sits is literally right above the street and the entrance to 517 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.599 the River Center, so there was a lot of background noise. So there 518 00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:07.719 wasn't anything super definitive on the EVP session by itself. There was not a 519 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.719 whole lot that I could say that I heard or anything. And we were 520 00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:15.880 in there, you know, we were asking questions for like fifteen minutes or 521 00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:17.119 so. You know, it wasn't like it was a seriod of time, 522 00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:21.639 but there wasn't there was nothing in there, Like, there was nothing that 523 00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:27.400 jumped out of me or anything. So it was unfortunate that it wasn't completely 524 00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:31.360 silent because sometimes we'd hear something and we couldn't figure out if that was hotel 525 00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:34.239 noise, or not. So it was just kind of like, well, 526 00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:37.519 we can't really use that because we can't make heads our tails. Yeah. 527 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:44.440 So go back the last day and we decide to do a living room and 528 00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:51.960 we have the digital recorder going for EVP and we have the video and we're 529 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:55.440 doing Spearbox at the same time with the headphones, so just to kind of 530 00:36:55.599 --> 00:37:01.960 cross reference to see if we could get answer on the EVP from the spearbox 531 00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:05.840 as well, just kind of back things up. So BJ goes first, 532 00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:10.679 he's in the elevator room and then you say immediately you're like six, yeah, 533 00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:16.920 six, then you say truck and six, So you said six three 534 00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:20.440 times, and I didn't want to make the reference to any kind of demon 535 00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:23.119 or devil. I was literally not gonna even mention it because I had heard 536 00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:27.599 demon and I felt like right away with you saying those six six, six, 537 00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:30.280 I mean you did say truck and I don't know why, but literally 538 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:34.199 a truck was going by, and I feel like that's why you said truck 539 00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:38.320 because they were just like truck, like it was an ADHD ghost. Yeah, 540 00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:43.239 and then six, and I was like, I'm not going to play 541 00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:46.800 this game

where they're gonna go and pretend they're like demon or something. Yeah. 542 00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:50.960 And then you said and I was silent because I wasn't gonna say anything, 543 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:52.760 and then you said, don't be afraid of us. Yeah, And 544 00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.960 I said I'm not afraid. Are you afraid of us? Yeah? And 545 00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.599 you said are you sure? Yeah? And I said I'm sure. And 546 00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:04.920 then you said move over, sit, sit down, and I'm like, 547 00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.599 I okay, I'll I'll move over a little bit, but I'm sitting down 548 00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:13.159 already. And then BJ says again, are you afraid? And I said 549 00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:16.199 no, do you want me to be afraid? And then I said do 550 00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:21.000 you like BJ? And BJ says I'll get him. Yeah, I don't 551 00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.159 like it, And I know I was like oh. At this point, 552 00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:27.480 I was like, oh, they're messing with us now for sure. Like 553 00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:30.400 I know they're messing with it. They're asking us if we're scared of we're 554 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:32.159 afraid, you know. And I'm thinking back to when we were doing it 555 00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:35.920 with BJ before, when I was like, you know, you can mess 556 00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:37.239 with and the scares easily. Now they're like, oh, we're gonna get 557 00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:42.679 BJ because he's the one that's scared, right, And I said get him? 558 00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:46.400 How did you touch BJ? Earlier, and then BJ says, helped 559 00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:50.800 me. And immediately I go back to Jessica, thinking, oh, maybe 560 00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:53.239 we're talking to Jessica now. And I said, is this Jessica? And 561 00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:58.480 BJ says this guy? And I said, do you like BJ? He's 562 00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:01.760 a nice He's a nice guy. Hi, And then BJ says, get 563 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:06.519 the other one over there. You were like, wait, oh no, 564 00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:12.679 no, yeah, I'm like, let's be nice. We're just here to 565 00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.920 talk. And then BJ it goes high. When I said we're just here 566 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:21.360 to talk. He goes high, and then he goes up down and I 567 00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:23.400 say, are you trying to make me look up down and all around? 568 00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:28.800 And J says game. I know that said, yeah, this is kind 569 00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:31.079 of like a game. Like they were messing with us. Yeah, like 570 00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:34.880 they were messing with us because when they were going up down, I was 571 00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.400 going up. I was looking up and I'm looking down. I was like 572 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:40.360 all around, you know, And I was like, they know exactly what 573 00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:45.519 they're doing. So

can I just say that on the EVP as I was 574 00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:47.519 going through, because there was like a few things that like I thought that 575 00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:52.800 I captured and everything. Yeah, but when we're doing the up down all 576 00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.960 around and all this other stuff and everything like that. The EVP that I 577 00:39:57.199 --> 00:40:01.039 captured that I think I hear is them saying this is too easy, like 578 00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:05.000 a voice saying this is too easy. And I was like, that is 579 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:09.079 that's that's incredible and insane. So yeah, yeah, they were just having 580 00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:15.000 fun with us. Yeah, So then I start to explain and I kind 581 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:16.599 of kind of babbled a little bit, and I was starting to explain just 582 00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:19.800 like we want to know who you are. I want to learn who you 583 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:22.400 are. We're just talking to and we're just you know, and as I'm 584 00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:25.360 saying this, BJ says, just shut up, I know, listen and 585 00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:30.199 I was like, okay, you know, I said, okay, I'm 586 00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:32.880 trying to listen, but you're not saying much. And then BJ says, 587 00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:38.119 we've been stuck. Now we're listening, And I asked, would you like 588 00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:42.119 to be free? Because it kind of made me sad when I heard like 589 00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:46.760 we've been stuck, you know. Yeah, And BJ suddenly just like took 590 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:51.960 off his headphones like really quickly, and I was like, what what happened? 591 00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:53.679 You know? Yeah? Can I can? I tell you? So 592 00:40:53.960 --> 00:41:00.880 what I what happened was in my ear like you were describing before not through 593 00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:07.119 the spirit box, but whispered directly into my ear was Mitra's name. I 594 00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:14.239 heard Mitra said in my ear, and it freaked me out so much that 595 00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:16.639 I took the headphones off and I was like, I'm done. I also 596 00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:22.960 believe that on the EVP, at the moment right before I took my headphones 597 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:27.360 off, which would have been when the name was said to me, I 598 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:31.280 believe I've captured the name Mitra as well being set from an EVP, which 599 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:37.199 is even crazier than saying that I have that that was in my ear because 600 00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:42.039 like, as I'm hearing it, and then I hear the headphones come off. 601 00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:45.760 So I'm listening back to the EVPs and you know, I've got the 602 00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:50.920 audio on and everything, and I hear Mitra, you know, and all 603 00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.199 of a sudden, the next thing I hear on the recorder is me yanking 604 00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:55.639 the headphones off, and I go, oh my god. I was like, 605 00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:00.400 that's when it happened. That was like the almost real time. It 606 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:04.920 was, ah god, so weird. But you got to figure. You 607 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.159 know, this was like the third or fourth time that we've been in the 608 00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:10.400 room. We've introduced themselves several times, you know, they probably know who 609 00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:13.719 we are at this point. You know, we set up set up my 610 00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:16.920 name several times because every time we do it, we introduced ourselves, you 611 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:22.199 know always, and I know, like when you were doing your session, 612 00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:25.280 at least I think I said my name twice the day before because I was 613 00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:29.440 really trying to get them to say their name, and so I kept saying 614 00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:32.880 my name. So so it's like to go back a little bit when Mitscha 615 00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:37.960 was doing her other spirit box session where things got really crazy and chaotic and 616 00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:43.360 everything. When we went back to the room, I had looked at my 617 00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:49.840 leg and I had two really weird on my leg. We forgot about that. 618 00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:54.480 This was after all the chaos with like the demon nonsense and all this 619 00:42:54.599 --> 00:43:00.840 other stuff. But I had two scratch marks on my legs odd claw marks. 620 00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:07.239 And what was weird is it looked like there was blood, but it 621 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:09.480 wasn't blood. It was like you know, if you scratch yourself too hard 622 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:13.599 but you didn't break the skin, but all the blood like a bruise like 623 00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:16.079 rose up to it and it was red. Yes, And it stayed like 624 00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:21.239 that for a long time, several days. I was so weird and it 625 00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:23.400 wasn't broken. Skin. It was weird. Oh, it was like under 626 00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:28.079 the skin, it was like something touched just like made it raise up or 627 00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:30.280 something like that, and then you went and crashed, and then I went 628 00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:36.199 and crashed. It was very strange. I've never had that happen before and 629 00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:38.679 it was really really weird. We have pictures of that too. We will 630 00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:44.800 post that and we'll post some of the spirit Box sessions on I think we're 631 00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:46.559 gonna do it on YouTube. Yeah, we will post. We'll do like 632 00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:51.760 full sessions of it so that we have like longer videos up there on YouTube. 633 00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:54.000 Yes, I think so, and so you guys will be able to 634 00:43:54.159

--> 00:43:59.559 enjoy that. That'll be up there for you. Right after you did your 635 00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:04.039 spare Box session, I went and did mine and abbreviated one. You're short 636 00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:07.760 y ever abbreviated. So I go under and the first thing I say is 637 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:13.840 too old and old, and you're asking, well, who's old? Are 638 00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:16.000 you too old? And then I say too old again, and you're asking 639 00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:21.599 well who's too old? And then I say spirit and rifle and then I 640 00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:25.559 say hey, Zeus, and you were like, you keep saying Jesus, 641 00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:30.639 but I don't think I'm saying Jesus. I think I'm saying somebody's name hazeus 642 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:37.039 yeah. And then I say you don't have to yeah, And then there's 643 00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:44.079 not really anything happening, and I say I feel funny, and you're asking 644 00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:49.559 why, and I said secret number seven and then happy, and then I 645 00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:52.039 stopped suddenly rip off my headphones because if you're watching the video, you can 646 00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:55.519 see my leg my knee, I'm like criss cross apple size a little bit, 647 00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:59.519 and my leg is like my knee is kind of like moving and it 648 00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:01.920 kind of which is a little bit. The entire time I'm sitting there, 649 00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:06.519 and it was a short session, like four minutes, I felt like something's 650 00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:10.599 just like touching my knee repeatedly. Something's just caressing my knee, touching me 651 00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:15.079 me, like just trying its hardest to like get my attention and to aggravate 652 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.800 me or something. And I just couldn't take it. And eventually I was 653 00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:21.719 just like I'm done, Like that's it. You got me, Like I 654 00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:27.280 am done with them. We have not had that experience with a lot of 655 00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:31.719 like touch sensations. I have been touched at all. I had never had 656 00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:37.119 a touch. I don't think, yeah, I don't think I was pretty 657 00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:40.039 wild. No, I mean I think, you know, at the Saint 658 00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:45.719 Louis Haunted Mansion, I felt like something was in my face waving when I 659 00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:49.880 had the blindfold on, but nothing touched me. So that was the first 660 00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:52.599 time and I just like it was so light, like a veil, was 661 00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:58.360 just like somebody put a scarf on my knee. It was just draping it 662 00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:02.639 across. It was like almost aggravating, feeling like it was aggravating, That's 663 00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:07.039 what it was. I felt like I couldn't concentrate on the spirit box because 664 00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:09.519 it was my attention was so much on that and I wasn't going into the 665 00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:14.320 quote unquote you know trance. I wasn't being able to channel anything, do 666 00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:17.559 you know what I mean? Because I couldn't like fully just get into it. 667 00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:21.559 And that's why I was just like frustrated. And I was not that 668 00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:23.360 it was scaring me, but that it was just like frustrated, like that 669 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:27.800 I couldn't get into it. Yeah, So that was really the last thing 670 00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:34.440 that we did at the there and the King Ranch Suite. We spent a 671 00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:37.480 lot of our time doing investigations and stuff. One other thing that happened in 672 00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:43.079 the room that was weird that I couldn't explain. So that was that same 673 00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:46.320 night, right before we started to do the spirit Box session. I had 674 00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:50.400 my EMF and I put it down on that side table that I talked about 675 00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:53.679 like that creeks when you walk by it, and the EMF started to go 676 00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:58.199 off and I was like, oh, and I look at it and it's 677 00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:00.000 making the sound. It's beeping. Now we don't have like the K two 678 00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:06.079 meters. Ours are different where it lights up, the whole screen lights up. 679 00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:08.159 Is a digital screen with a number reading on it. It light the 680 00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:13.000 screen lights up and it makes a beeping sound and you get a number reading 681 00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:16.599 to tell you how much EMF is being measured right now. It doesn't beep 682 00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:21.599 and light up until it hits a certain threshold. And I don't know what 683 00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:25.000 that threshold is. So it's beeping and going off and I'm looking at it 684 00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:30.400 and there's no number reading on it at all. It's only lighting up and 685 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:35.440 beeping, and I was like, how is that possible? Like I've never 686 00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:38.000 seen that happen. I don't know if it was broken or something. And 687 00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:42.000 I was like, I'm confused, Like why is it going off without a 688 00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:44.920 number reading on it? You know, and it was the weirdest thing, 689 00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:47.159 and I thought, like maybe I hit it, maybe I did something, 690 00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:50.239 So I like, I have a video of me, I'm like dropping it, 691 00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:52.840 dropping it like you just hardly throwing it on the table to see if 692 00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:55.920 maybe, like maybe I just dropped it too hard on the table and let 693 00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:59.360 me see if I can get it to like set itself up

again. But 694 00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:04.639 it didn't. So it was really weird that it went made the sounds, 695 00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:08.679 it blinked, and there was no EMF number reading on it. So really 696 00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:14.719 strange overall, like just a pretty great experience. Again, like you know, 697 00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:21.079 nothing nothing super negative or like bad feeling in that room. It just 698 00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:25.119 felt like we were invading something else's space, is what it felt like. 699 00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:31.480 That I feel like that Richard King doesn't want us in there. After we 700 00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:36.960 had gotten some of that get out type stuff and things like that, we 701 00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:39.039 talked to that one of them and that showed us to the Renaissance room and 702 00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:44.639 she said that we didn't know this at the time when we had our session, 703 00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:50.639 that that's what people get in that room, is they get things whispered 704 00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:53.679 in their ear to tell them to get out all the time. That's one 705 00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:57.480 of the things, and we were like, oh, interesting, because that's 706 00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:01.079 what happened to us too. They said that there's a lot of staff that 707 00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:05.039 they have a lot of high turnover rate of staff that has to clean that 708 00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:07.840 room because they don't nobody did. Nobody wants to go in there and clean 709 00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:13.119 it. I don't blame them. Yeah, got just like spooky, a 710 00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:16.320 little bit spooky, but again like nothing negative or anything. No pictures, 711 00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:20.960 which I was so man, I took so many pictures and that King Ranch 712 00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:23.519 Room, every time we go in there, I see so many pictures. 713 00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:28.079 One of an apparition in the mirror, I know, so one of the 714 00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:32.639 stories and we couldn't confirm this. So on that same floor of the King 715 00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:37.760 Ranch Room is this big giant mirror. Yeah, like on the across from 716 00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:42.159 the door, Yes, and like kind of like this like landing area. 717 00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.440 I don't know what you would call it. It's just like this dead space 718 00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:52.519 and there's this huge antique mirror. Now people apparently have seen images in the 719 00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:57.719 mirror when they take photographs in this Now it's an antique mirror and it has 720 00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:01.960 like marks all over it on the actual mirror. So if you were to 721 00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:05.719 take a picture, you might get one of those marks in the mirror, 722 00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:07.880 because it's just old and it just has markings on it, and I could 723 00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:10.199 see that you could make a face in it, you know what I mean. 724 00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:13.840 So I had wondered if maybe that's what people were seeing, because there 725 00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:15.320 was like all these weird it's like kind of like streak marks on it. 726 00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:21.239 But we took so many pictures in front of it, so many pictures every 727 00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:24.079 day, and nothing saw nothing. But the story with this, this just 728 00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:27.679 might be an urban legend, is that it used to be in the King 729 00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:31.679 Ranch room. Yeah, and people were so freaked out by it that they 730 00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:37.079 moved it out to this like common area. And it used to have a 731 00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:40.280 vase sitting at the base of it, and you can see this little shelf 732 00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:45.320 like thing, and there is a circle there where it looks like something was 733 00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:52.159 sitting there. And apparently somebody stole that vase from it, I guess because 734 00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:53.599 they wanted a piece of the hotel. So the vase is gone. But 735 00:50:53.800 --> 00:51:00.360 that was supposedly in the King Ranch room. But there is a mirror kind 736 00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:02.480 of similar to it in the King Ranch Room, not as big as grand, 737 00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:06.880 but there is another one very similar to it. So I don't know 738 00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:10.599 if that's a mirror or if it's the mirror and the king Ranch that's actually 739 00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:14.000 haunted, but we took pictures in both of it, and I took a 740 00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:15.880 bunch of pictures in front of that room one that's in the room in the 741 00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:20.800 hopes of getting something, and then like, some of the pictures in that 742 00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:23.639 mirror have the reflection of the mirror in the bedroom in the background, and 743 00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:29.119 I was like hoping, like maybe there'd be something also. So I saw 744 00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:31.480 that and I was like, I don't even want to look like. I 745 00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:34.360 was like, okay, I'm gonna have to zoom in and look, and 746 00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:36.800 I was like creaked up. I saw that too, and I was like, 747 00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:39.360 uh, but nothing. I wish I would have seen something. I 748 00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:42.760 know. Yeah, it was funny. At one point when we were doing 749 00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.599 something in there, I kept looking into the mirror and you were like stopped 750 00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:50.000 looking in the mirror. I know, freaking me it was. I was 751 00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:52.800 like I was looking at it and you were just like stop. I believe 752 00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:58.400 that Sarah actually was turning and looking during the session out the door. I 753 00:51:58.559 -->

00:52:01.039 was like, no way, what I have I kept hearing all that creaky 754 00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:04.400 noise. I was like, there's no way I would have looked out there 755 00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:07.280 if I was hearing all that. I couldn't imagine sleeping in that room. 756 00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:12.679 It's just it's like, oh, it's amazing, absolutely amazing. What a 757 00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:17.320 great a really really beautiful hotel. Yeah, super beautiful. It was great. 758 00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:21.800 It's like like we said, like it is like a gorgeous piece of 759 00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:23.320 property. One of the things that you can do, by the way, 760 00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:29.480 while you're there is like just go out and enjoy the courtyard they have right 761 00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:32.199 in the middle of the hotel. Yeah, like a little oasis in the 762 00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:36.760 middle of I don't know if it's still called that, but back when it 763 00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:43.079 was like first built, it was called the Palm Court. I had all 764 00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:45.679 the palm trees. And I don't know if there was a fact that said 765 00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:47.639 that, but I have like this book about all these vintage hotels, and 766 00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:52.159 that was called the Palm Court back in the day because of all the palm 767 00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:54.760 trees. It is really really nice. And then like right near there too, 768 00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:58.079 you keep walking, you can go out and you can get right to 769 00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:01.679 the pool. The pool at the manger is gorgeous too. And what's really 770 00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:07.159 funny about it is it has it's surrounded by this green AstroTurf, So it's 771 00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:10.400 like a totally different like. So it was built in nineteen fifty three, 772 00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:15.960 and it's got the nineteen fifty three AstroTurf right, and I I so love 773 00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:20.719 it too because it reminds me of these I you know, go to State 774 00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:22.760 Sales, I get a bunch of like things. One of the things I 775 00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:25.880 love to get our vintage postcards. And I have a lot of these vintage 776 00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:30.000 postcards from hotels in the fifties, and that's exactly what they have. They 777 00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:35.559 would have this AstroTurf around and they'd have these like yellow umbrellas and stuff, 778 00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:38.320 and it looks the same like and it just like is so cool. It's 779 00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:42.800 like a little like cool nineteen little fifties poll over there. But it's not 780 00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:45.760 a little pool. It's a brick pool and it's the biggest pool of downtown, 781 00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:49.559 right right, yeah, So go cool yourself off and that it is 782 00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:52.880 absolutely a really just a really awesome

hangout place to be at two. You 783 00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:57.639 know what the little green AstroTurf always reminds me of. And this is probably 784 00:53:57.719 --> 00:54:00.960 like a deep cut, but there's an old Mickey Mouse card tune with a 785 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:06.119 gopher and him and Pluto or chasing this gopher and it chases them inside of 786 00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:09.840 like they're closed in patio and it thinks it's still outside because of the AstroTurf. 787 00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:14.360 It's like, yeah, it's like all going through the AstroTurf and so 788 00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:19.679 funny anybody gets that reference, like then congratulations, funny is AstroTurf? Like 789 00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:22.519 people are like, ooh, fake grass I can make inside look like outside. 790 00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:25.760 Yeah, yeah, I know, funny. It is weird. It's 791 00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:30.199 super weird. Like, hey, you know what, it's a different time. 792 00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:35.119 It was a different time to be alive, you know. But yeah. 793 00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:37.239 Also, so one of the things too about like when we're talking about 794 00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:42.199 being a conduit for spirits and everything, is the fact that the Minger sits 795 00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:45.440 right next to the Alamo. You know, it's it's literally right there, 796 00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:51.679 and so, h well that's some of the ghosts are supposed to be Spanish 797 00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:55.159 soldiers, right, well, were Mexican soldiers, right and Confederate soldiers. 798 00:54:55.559 --> 00:55:00.880 Yeah. Now what what is pretty well known as that, you know, 799 00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:04.480 the Aluma doesn't really let you do any sort of investigations or anything there. 800 00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:07.840 Yeah, you know, we've kind of poked around and stuff at night. 801 00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:12.320 While we've been there and we've we've never gotten anything or anything like that. 802 00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:16.559 So we were walking. Wait, we were at the Devil's Whiskey Distillery, 803 00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:22.760 Devil's River. Yeah, so you're in San Antonio and you have not been 804 00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:27.599 there. Devil's River Distillery. It's on what is the name of that. 805 00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:31.119 It's a hot street, Houston Street. Yeah, it's right down near where 806 00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:37.519 like the Voodoo Doughnuts and the buckhorns. My god, it's so good and 807 00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:43.679 super shout out to Lauren and Adrian for showing us around that place. We 808 00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:45.920 did the tour, and you should do the tour too. Yeah, because 809 00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:51.639 at the end of the tour you do a tasting, yes, and he 810 00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:57.880 teaches you how to actually drink whiskey, which I did not know. I 811 00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:01.960 thought what ended in shot glass as quickly, so we got the ninety proof 812 00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:07.559 first, right, yeah, and he told us how to drink it and 813 00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:12.159 make it basically let it burn your mouth right and then but it opens everything 814 00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:15.519 up so that then you can taste the other things. And so that was 815 00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:19.519 really cool to do. While we did the tour, he did tell us 816 00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:23.880 a little ghost story that they have a little ghost girl there that the building 817 00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:27.480 is haunted. It used to be a clothing store, and I'm going to 818 00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:30.519 forget the name. It used to be. Starts with a pe pikas or 819 00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:35.079 something. He said, j C. Pennis. I went back in all 820 00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:38.880 my books that I have and all these vintage photographs and was able to figure 821 00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:43.320 out which building it was and looked at the literally looked at the sign on 822 00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:45.119 the building. He could figure out what it was. Not J C. 823 00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:49.760 Pennies because J. C. Pennis was always over where River Center Mall was 824 00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:52.880 on the other side, but still a department store, a clothing store. 825 00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:59.239 And there is a girl that haunts one of the hallways there, this little 826 00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:04.559 girl. He's seen things, yeah, really creepy. So he doesn't I 827 00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:08.480 want to do a ghost hump there. But they don't own the building, 828 00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:12.400 they're just renting it, so they don't know if the odors will allow that 829 00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:15.639 kind of stuff. I'm like, they said, if we don't, gotta's 830 00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:17.480 gotta tell them what we're doing. They said, interested in doing it, 831 00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:21.400 then they will. They will find out what permissions they need to ask in 832 00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:22.559 order to do so. But I think it would be a lot of fun. 833 00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:25.480 But anyway, but we had a lot of drinks there I'm getting at 834 00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:31.440 We had a lot forehead and then we had basically what was it four or 835 00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:36.280 five shots of like freaking whiskey. We were we were, we were flying. 836 00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:39.119 So then we're walking back, we're walking back to the manger. This 837 00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:44.960 is this is the daytime. We're completely drunk. During the day we were. 838 00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:47.000 It was not it was not was it like it was like late, 839 00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:51.639 This was like four o'clock. No, it was like that was like it 840 00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:54.519 was five o'clock. Okay, so we're super drunk by five o'clock. So 841 00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:58.119 we're going over by the album and it's like, you

know, a hundred 842 00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:01.840 ten degrees and there's these two police officers outside there that they're like, I 843 00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:05.639 got their cowboy hats on and everything, and they're assigned to you know, 844 00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:10.519 yes, And I said, I'm going to ask them if they've seen any 845 00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:14.800 ghost and you're like, no, you're not. I was just like, 846 00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:20.639 yes, yea. So we did we go up there, Officer King and 847 00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:25.119 Officer Gonzalez. Yes. So we asked them. We told them who we 848 00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:30.280 are, what we're doing, and they said that they have people coming up 849 00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:34.760 to them, yeah, literally like showing them pictures and stuff. Of ghosts 850 00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:37.960 that they've gotten from their hotel rooms like at the Elmily Morgan and things like 851 00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:42.880 that, and the manger about the ghosts that are even at the Alamo that 852 00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:46.519 they've looked down and saw themselves. And the officer King he had a picture 853 00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:52.280 that someone gave him from the manger the Emily Morgan next door and it is 854 00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:55.960 like a pretty creepy face in the window. Very I'm like, yeah, 855 00:58:57.199 --> 00:59:00.679 that's that's not a happy face. It was. It was it's pretty funny, 856 00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:04.440 like because it's like, you know, you know, the Alamo police 857 00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:07.440 and everything. And I remember I said to them, I said, listen, 858 00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:09.760 I know that you guys aren't supposed to like tell us things like this. 859 00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:14.519 Yeah, they were eager to talk about it. They were like I 860 00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:17.719 thought they were gonna be like move along. Yeah, no, no, 861 00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:22.360 weird paranormal people get out of here, like and everything. And he said 862 00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:25.079 one time somebody came down and said, oh, I didn't know y'all were 863 00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:30.440 doing a re enactment of the Alamo like so early in the morning. And 864 00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:34.519 he said, there's no re enactment, and the people were like, we 865 00:59:34.719 --> 00:59:37.920 heard like the battle going on, we heard it. Yeah, I think 866 00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:42.239 they said they saw like something, some commotion going on and people dressed. 867 00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:45.440 They looked out their window and he was like, no, there was nothing 868 00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:50.519 going on. The guy was so weird, you know. Super shout out 869 00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:54.000 to those two guys, uh, Officer King and Officer Gonzalezy, especially the 870 00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:59.840 officer King. Officer King, Yeah, that was. Yeah. So they 871 01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:04.480 talk to us because

because Mitra flashed her eyes at him, she was she 872 01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:08.079 was like, excuse the officer, but can I ask you some questions? 873 01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:12.000 I did not, And he said, ma'am, I don't mean to be 874 01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:15.840 disrespectful, but you have the most beautiful eyes I've ever seen. I was 875 01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:19.280 like, well, thank you. You were like cool, tell us about 876 01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:23.079 ghosts. He gets a special shout out. Yeah, it was really it 877 01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:25.880 was really cool for them to do it. And then Officer Mustache who ran 878 01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:29.480 away from us. I don't know what your name is, but you had 879 01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:32.199 a really great mustache. Yeah. He didn't want nothing to do with us. 880 01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:35.559 He didn't he didn't stay around to see what we were going to ask. 881 01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:37.480 He was on patrol or something. I was like, can we ask 882 01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:39.000 you some stuff about ghosts and things like that? And he was like, 883 01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:44.280 hey, guys, I gotta go, and I was like, Officer Mustache 884 01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:47.559 come back. But anyway, yeah, all of those that they were really 885 01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:52.639 really cool and we're super happy that they talked with us because they didn't have 886 01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:55.039 to. They could have been like move along, get out of here, 887 01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:59.239 and they didn't and it was really cool. And then after that we went 888 01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:04.599 and had Magree tacos and another drink. Yes, I needed I didn't because 889 01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:07.840 that wasn't enough. That wasn't enough of the tacos. I needed. I 890 01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:10.719 needed something. I was like, listen, I said I too. That 891 01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:14.840 was when we were going out with We were going out with Aaron and Sarah 892 01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:16.719 that night too. We were going out with Aaron Sarah and you got another 893 01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:22.760 drink and I was like, we went to Fat Tuesdays and they do frozen 894 01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:24.679 Margarita's Vault flavors. You got a skinny margarita. And I was like, 895 01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:28.159 you know what, I'm going to be a good girl. I'm going to 896 01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:30.920 control myself. I don't need a drink. Lame. I drank enough lame. 897 01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:37.119 No, I need to be lucid for for a ghost hunting right. 898 01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:42.159 So that's Fast Sea Spirits, right. It was a lot of It was 899 01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:44.880 a lot of fun doing that though, So again thank you to everybody at 900 01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:47.880 the Manger for allowing us to come in, allowing us the time that we 901 01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:53.280 needed, and just really welcoming us, which is just phenomenal. It was

902 01:01:53.360 --> 01:02:00.239 just phenomenal. We were so well by. Everybody was so nice, right, 903 01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:04.400 you know, and again a special shout out to Angela who was gracious 904 01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:07.840 enough to come in, show us around, tell us the history of the 905 01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:13.320 hotel, and just you know, just just really embrace us, which was 906 01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:15.920 awesome. You know, we ended up going and seeing her again the next 907 01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:20.000 day. She was working at the Manger Bar and you know, we talked 908 01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:22.159 to her a little bit when we were talking to that other couple. We 909 01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:24.039 had drinks and it was you know, it was just a really really nice, 910 01:02:24.440 --> 01:02:29.199 rewarding experience. And if you guys are looking for something to do this 911 01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:34.880 fall that has a lot of history and potential haunted activity that you could encounter, 912 01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:38.079 the Manger Hotel is where it's at. Like you've got to go do 913 01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:40.440 it, you know, it's it's it's a whole lot of fun. And 914 01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:45.000 they've got the shop right inside of the Manger Hotel where the Sisters Grim have 915 01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:49.519 their audience shop. And stuff, so you can check that. A lot 916 01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:52.880 of antiques in all the cases, yep, to go see. So I 917 01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:57.440 love looking at that kind of stuff. And it's just it's such a beautiful 918 01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:00.679 hotel just to walk through. I mean, I know there's other like we 919 01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:02.920 were at the Emily Morgan and yes that's very haunted too. But the thing 920 01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:08.079 is that used to be a hospital and then a business you know, office 921 01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:13.000 area, so it wasn't ever a hotel before, so it's not like preserved 922 01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:15.039 at it's hotel y nous, you know what I mean. The Menger is 923 01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:19.880 you know what I mean. Yeah, So it's different. It's very it's 924 01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:22.320 very nice. See I said. The only thing that was comparable to that 925 01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:27.199 as far as like being preserved and everything was probably it was the Cliff House. 926 01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:30.719 Yeah, because of you know, the age of that hotel as well, 927 01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:34.079 and the fact that they've preserved a lot of it to what it was 928 01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:37.000 when it was first built and everything and restored it and everything. But very 929 01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:40.519 very cool experience. Again, I cannot recommend it enough. To go and 930 01:03:42.159 --> 01:03:45.559 stay at the Manger and just enjoy yourself, kick back at the Manger Bar 931 01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:49.679 and have a drink, go to the Colonial room and have breakfast, you 932 01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:52.400 know, just try to figure out who Jessica is. Yeah, try and 933 01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:54.159 figure out who Jessica is. That would be really great. And if anybody 934 01:03:54.199 --> 01:03:59.039 has any leads on that, that's listening. I have any idea. That's 935 01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:02.000 why I mentioned I'm like, maybe it was supposed to be put out into 936 01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:05.599 the universe and be heard. It could be. But that's all we have 937 01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:10.000 for this one. Guys. It was a really rewarding experience and if you'd 938 01:04:10.039 --> 01:04:15.159 like to add anything to that, you can simply email the show. Unrefined 939 01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:17.559 Show at gmail dot com is how you can get a hold of us. 940 01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:21.039 But again, make sure you check out the description of this episode so you 941 01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:24.559 can get to all of our links so that you can follow us over on 942 01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:28.199 social media. Again, if you liked when we were talking about those spirit 943 01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:31.519 Box sessions, we are going to have the full spirit Box sessions uploaded to 944 01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:35.559 YouTube and you'll be able to watch them right in our YouTube channel. So 945 01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:40.159 if you're not subscribed there, go subscribe so that you can check out that 946 01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:44.079 video once we get it up there as well. So but yeah, that's 947 01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:45.559 it. That's all we got and uh, you know, hopefully we'll be 948 01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:49.559 able to well, we'll probably stay at the Manger again at some point, 949 01:04:49.719 --> 01:04:55.519 just because how beautiful it is. Yeah, but hopefully maybe we'll see you 950 01:04:55.599 --> 01:04:59.360 there if you go there, but on behalf of Mitra and myself. We'll 951 01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:05.880 catch you on the next next episode of Unrefined. M m m m m