Full Transcript for Beyond Folklore Stacy Brown Jr., The Bigfoot Underground & the Moment Everything Changed ep200

like ten of those days a 75 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:32.879 year where it's just like super cold and frozen. Yeah, 76 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:35.439 you know, and that's at the most. Outside of that, 77 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:39.560 our winters are kind of mild. But then again, in 78 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:42.000 the summertime here, it's gonna be one hundred degrees. 79 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:43.800 Yeah, yeah, and a lot of humidity. 80 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:48.480 Yeah, dude, like a real hundred degrees. It's the worst. 81 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:52.240 It's weird because when you like, I was in Washington 82 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:55.160 State when I was on a Bigfoot Bounty show and 83 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:57.439 they're like, guy, it's gonna be ninety eight today. It's 84 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:01.160 gonna be really bad. And I was outside, guys, this 85 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:05.519 is nice. I don't know where you're getting that it's 86 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:09.319 ninety eight. I really don't understand it. It's just that 87 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:12.480 lack of humidity. Yeah, you know, it makes it so 88 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:18.279 hard to breathe, you know, But oh well, I wouldn't 89 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:22.000 change it. I can't change it now bread and this stuff, so. 90 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:30.720 All right, Stacey Brown Jr. Your Bigfoot Your YouTube channel 91 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:33.720 goes by Bigfoot Stacy. That's how everybody can find you. 92 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:38.240 It's Bigfoot Stacy on Instagram, YouTube pretty much all your socials, 93 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:45.279 right yep. And your latest effort, the Bigfoot Underground, that's 94 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:50.199 hosted on your YouTube channel, correct, Yeah, are you releasing 95 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:52.959 that is audio only as well? 96 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:59.279 Or so probably by the time this airs it will 97 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:09.079 have released on audio as well. Right. I've been people 98 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:11.319 have been asking me to start my own podcast for years. 99 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:17.279 I've started a couple and like made it to ten 100 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:21.600 episodes and then that was it, right because I've always 101 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:26.439 done them with other people, right, you know, And. 102 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:29.920 That's that's the hard part. That's the hard You. 103 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:34.720 Can't do it. Yeah, My hat's off to these people 104 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:37.360 that got like three hundred episodes and they got a partner, 105 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:41.879 you know what I mean. Because one person may not 106 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:45.759 take it it's serious, and then they're just done. But 107 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:47.959 it's like, Okay, I don't really want to do that 108 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:49.600 no more so if you don't bring it up, they 109 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:50.399 won't bring it

up. 110 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:55.920 My very first outing into doing a podcast was a 111 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:59.519 local thing that buddy of mine that I coached football with. 112 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:03.279 We started here and it was called Beyond Sports with 113 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:08.639 Biggie and Bob, and it was pretty much just local. 114 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:16.439 We talked about local businesses, local high school sports, all 115 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:19.800 that stuff, and you know, things get in the way 116 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:23.240 and this guy can't make it this week, and then 117 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:26.079 the next week I had something going on. And you 118 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:28.519 know when you're when you're trying to put two personalities 119 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:33.120 together and we and we meshed really well, but you 120 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:36.319 just start having all kinds of outside influences that start 121 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:40.879 wreaking havoc on. You know, we we need to do 122 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:45.199 this every Tuesday. We need to release every Thursday. You know, 123 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:49.079 people are going to start to expect and when you're 124 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:55.600 not there there, you you lose people quickly. And it 125 00:07:55.879 --> 00:07:58.480 it just it's a tough thing to do when you 126 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:00.879 got two people that aren't in the same exact please. 127 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:08.040 Yeah, you know, And I mean I have let's see 128 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:09.879 things like I have all the memes to do it. 129 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:14.639 So I had made like last January this time last year, 130 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:17.480 I had made like my first four episodes and the 131 00:08:17.560 --> 00:08:21.680 podcast was only going to be audio, that was it. 132 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:26.959 But I was doing these like immersive audio uh, would 133 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:28.920 be just like you as if you were watching it, 134 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:31.199 but you're hearing everything you hear at the windblow, there's 135 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:34.840 a story told. It's like my Deep Dive episodes. Yeah, 136 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:41.759 And then I showed them to some my buddies, got 137 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:44.000 some big podcasts, and they're like, dude, you got to 138 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:46.440 do video. Why are you not doing video? You have 139 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:48.480 a production company? And I was like, I just don't. 140 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:51.720 That's what they're like, No, you gotta do videos. So 141 00:08:53.200 --> 00:08:57.240 then I made like three episodes of it, and it 142 00:08:57.320 --> 00:09:00.720 was like Deep Dives kind of like many documentaries, like 143 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:07.799 twenty to twenty five minute episodes, and that's how it 144 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:11.200 was going to do it. So I released one and 145 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:13.480 then Lestroud called me and told me he was coming 146 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:17.399 to the house. We were filming for his new documentary. 147 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:21.919 And he was here and so like, okay, my set 148 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:27.360 is a cave, right. We shot a horror film back 149 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:31.559 in like twenty eighteen, and me and my dad mainly 150 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:35.600 built this cave for me out of concrete and rebar. 151 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:38.080 It's like twenty foot tall. It's like a half cave, 152 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:42.200 you know, because we couldn't legally film in caves in Florida. 153 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:46.120 They consider them alive and they won't let you shoot 154 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:47.799 in there, Like if you touch the walls, I guess 155 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:50.120 the rocks start deteriorating really fast. 156 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:51.559 Interesting. 157 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:56.759 Yeah, But then so we built her on right, and 158 00:09:56.799 --> 00:09:59.519 it's just been setting all these years, not doing anything 159 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:01.960 with it. I have a whole damn tunnel system as well, 160 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:06.840 but I was like that, let me use it, you know. 161 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:09.360 So I set up out there, filmed myself as I 162 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:13.480 would like, read the script, you know, as I'm reading it, 163 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:17.639 and then it just put b roll and stuff over it. Well. 164 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:21.039 Then I wasn't planning on doing interviews, and I had 165 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:23.279 showed Less an episode and. 166 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:26.360 He's like, hey, why you know while I'm here. 167 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:29.519 While I'm here, dude, And I was like, okay, well 168 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:33.039 I'll do an interview this one time. And then it 169 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:36.559 just like it was, it blew up and put out 170 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:42.080 a couple more deep dives, then went back to some interviews. 171 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:47.399 I had some buddies and I wasn't planning on doing 172 00:10:47.519 --> 00:10:51.240 phone interviews. But now I'm releasing a phone interview, you know, 173 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:54.159 Like it's just kind of it was supposed to just 174 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:57.559 be like many documentaries every week, but then the whole 175 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:02.000 sit down with somebody face to face. Yeah, like I 176 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:05.200 interviewed you for a deep dive I'm working on on 177 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:09.279 the Dewey Lake Monster, correct, you know, and that'd be 178 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:14.519 about that'd probably about forty five minutes to an hour long. Yeah, 179 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:17.720 like a whole episode, and I'll just go through all 180 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:20.399 the facts and tell it

in like a documentary type way, 181 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:24.879 you know. And people like them. They for some reason 182 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:27.600 like the interviews more. I don't know what it is. 183 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:33.879 It's interesting, there's something, you know, Like I would get 184 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:38.720 comments from from my listeners when they would listen to 185 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:43.639 a uh interview, and they would say that it was 186 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:52.000 it was oddly comfortable based on the name being uncomfortable, right, 187 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:56.000 that they felt like they were just coming in, pulling 188 00:11:56.039 --> 00:12:00.480 up a chair and sitting between two people that have 189 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:07.720 had a lot of interaction. You know that a lot 190 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:10.519 of people would say that I'm good at making people 191 00:12:10.519 --> 00:12:13.399 feel very comfortable in a situation where they have to 192 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:17.519 talk about something that's uncomfortable, and they just would view 193 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:20.519 it as like just being able to eavesdrop on a 194 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:23.559 conversation that wasn't necessarily for them, but they got to 195 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:27.279 hear it, and right, I mean. 196 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:31.360 I get that, you know, but like for me, really 197 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:38.080 bad about keeping up with my stuff, so I've lost 198 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:43.279 like notebooks or full of reports. Yeah, you know what 199 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:46.399 I mean. And so I think this way, at least 200 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:51.240 for me, is my best route in documenting these stories, 201 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:55.559 putting them out there, let people tell their you know 202 00:12:55.639 --> 00:12:57.759 that kind of stuff, say the history to some of 203 00:12:57.799 --> 00:12:59.679 the especially like some of the things I'm doing with 204 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:05.039 the dives. You know, the stories that people are gonna 205 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:08.799 end up forgetting, like the Dewey Lake Monster, the Barden Buger. 206 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:12.679 These are great stories. You know. I wish I could 207 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:20.480 have been alive during these moments, you know. But you 208 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:23.679 but people don't know a lot about it. You know. 209 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:26.919 When they know Bigfoot, they dive into like Patterson Gammon film, 210 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:30.159 and then they'll get into kind of the stuff of today, 211 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:35.919 the contemporary stuff. But there's so much history in our history. 212 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:39.240 To me, is more proof than the eyewitnesses that come 213 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:43.360 forward today. Yeah, some of these old reports, you know, 214 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:47.399 like the Okefinokee Swamp massacre, the o Cheesy Pond wild 215 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:54.639 Man capture, those stories hold up far better than any 216 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:58.080 story anybody's telling today because people got a reason to 217 00:13:58.120 --> 00:13:58.600 make it up. 218 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:02.120 Now, they got a lot of reasons to make it up. Yeah, 219 00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:08.360 and they can substantiate it by having AI driven footage 220 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:13.559 or photos you know that. Yeah, not everybody can can 221 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:16.360 weed through and tell if they're real or not. 222 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:21.559 Right, and uh, you know, but when these old stories, 223 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:24.360 they didn't have names for what they were dealing with, right, 224 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:30.279 They had no like basis for comparison. 225 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:32.840 Yeah, no frame of reference, yeah. 226 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:35.080 No frame of reference. They didn't know what fucking guaruas were. 227 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:39.799 They may have known about monkeys, well you know, when 228 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:42.519 you're getting back in like seventeen hundred, some of those reports, 229 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:47.240 some of those stories they had no I don't Maybe 230 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:48.960 they did see some monkeys if they had been to 231 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:53.399 Europe and people had like little pets or something, but no, 232 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:57.200 they had never seen their chimpanzee. They didn't know how 233 00:14:57.240 --> 00:14:58.960 to describe it, so they would call it like a 234 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:03.639 wild man. Yeah, you know, and I think some of 235 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:08.519 those are I think I think some of those stories 236 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:14.840 are our best like pieces of evidence in my opinion 237 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:15.519 at least. 238 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:20.960 So you're you're doing these weekly, right, You're is it 239 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:22.240 Tuesday nights they release? 240 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:29.440 Uh? So I kind of upped the so I started 241 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:32.960 off just doing them one night a week on Fridays, right, 242 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:37.960 and then I was gonna I put one out on Tuesday, 243 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:39.840 and I'm like, I'm gonna see which day does better. 244 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:42.120 Run that a couple of weeks and they both kind 245 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:45.159 of did the same, you know, But now I was 246 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:48.960 already putting them out twice a week, so okay, So 247 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:56.480 now I do Tuesdays and then Alive after that and Fridays. 248 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:59.159 When you do the Lives, you're actually in the community chat, 249 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:02.159 responding with viewers and interacting with them in the chat, 250 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:02.639 aren't you.

251 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:05.200 Oh yeah, I see. I thought that's what we was 252 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:05.840 supposed to do. 253 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:08.919 Well, I'm not saying it's not. 254 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:12.200 I ain't never watched none of these really. Yeah, I've 255 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:15.720 been on these, but I've never sat around and watched them. 256 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:16.200 You know. 257 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:18.000 They can get pretty interesting. 258 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:21.200 Yeah, like the one that was last night, I was like, 259 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:23.879 what the hell are these people talking me right now? 260 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:24.919 And what is going on? 261 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:29.799 But I try to respond to the comments, you know. 262 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.759 I come into it with the Lives, like we had 263 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:37.200 to go at it the other night because I said 264 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:40.480 I didn't believe in the Patterson Gimblin film. I thought 265 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:45.399 it was a hoax, and some guy kept kept on 266 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:48.919 pushing it, you know, pushing about how well they couldn't 267 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:52.519 do this, they couldn't do that. And I then so 268 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:55.480 we spent the next hour and a half. I was 269 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:58.080 just destroying it. I was just laying shit out people. 270 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:04.519 These people I had like eighty evil on and the 271 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:07.440 things that were coming out of my mouth. Ninety percent 272 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:10.799 of them didn't they Yeah, And I was like, hold up, 273 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:14.519 but how far did y'all research into this? You know? 274 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:16.240 Because the guy's like, well, you can see it in 275 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:18.119 four K. I'm like, first of all, you can't see 276 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:21.880 it in four K. It's not how that works, right, 277 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:26.000 because we don't have the actual film. The first copy 278 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:30.200 is missing, right, second copy is missing. So everything we're 279 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:32.880 looking at, all the muscle movement and this, that and 280 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:37.559 the other, you're looking like a twelve generation copy and 281 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:41.440 there's degradation in that image by the time it gets there. 282 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:47.119 Now that you bring that up, the most recent auting, 283 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:50.039 and this is probably what four or five years ago now, 284 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:54.400 Meldrim was involved. I forget what the other two gentlemen were. 285 00:17:55.319 --> 00:18:02.119 One of them was has done some special effects work, 286 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:09.359 Bill Bill Muns and then the third gentleman. So if 287 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:12.079 it was my understanding was correct that there had been 288 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:21.640 twenty some different variations of the film that were secured, 289 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:26.599 and that they were used in conjunction with each other, 290 00:18:27.079 --> 00:18:32.559 and they were they were put together in a way 291 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:44.559 that was the clearest and best stabilization that they've ever 292 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:49.720 been able to do. And I know you and I 293 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:57.359 we we disagree on the Patterson. I understand all of 294 00:18:57.400 --> 00:19:00.559 the points that you make about all the bullshit there was, 295 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:10.440 and the the talk and and the what am I 296 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:16.319 trying to get at? The red flags? But when I 297 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:25.759 watch that video and I watch the person, creature suit, whatever, 298 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:35.960 that is understanding the time that it happened and understanding. 299 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:38.559 And I guess part of this is my love for 300 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:44.079 the original Planet of the Apes movies, which won multiple 301 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:48.119 Academy Awards for the makeup and and all that stuff. 302 00:19:53.039 --> 00:20:01.599 When I watch that individual walking, I don't see it 303 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:09.200 struggle at all. I don't see you know, the mask, 304 00:20:10.039 --> 00:20:13.519 the head of that thing, if it's if it is, indeed, 305 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:19.480 a mask would be so large that your eyes would 306 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:26.119 not be close to the cutouts where the eyes would be. 307 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:29.480 So see And I don't get this argument, because I've 308 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:34.240 heard this part right from people. Did they never wear 309 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:37.759 them damn Halloween costumes that we wore in the eighties 310 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:40.119 that were like the plastic mask with a little slit 311 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:42.240 where your corner your eyes was that and they would 312 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:44.759 diggyr damn eyes out like you don't. First of all, 313 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:47.359 don't have to see that much. But second of all, 314 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:49.839 who's to say that that's how it's gotten to be? 315 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:57.160 Agreed? Agreed? But there is something uniquely organic about the 316 00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:02.559 way that thing moves, and it just to me doesn't 317 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:07.880 lend itself to being clunky and clumsy and somebody that 318 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:13.440 would be struggling not to step over something, you know, 319 00:21:13.880 --> 00:21:17.960 there is there's an organicness to that footage. 320 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:21.839 Right, I don't get that, So I mean, I understand 321 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:27.160 what you say, and it's fine, Well I like to disagree,

okay. 322 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:31.920 To me, is Bob hoeronymous like one hundred percent When 323 00:21:31.960 --> 00:21:37.240 you watch him walk, he has something special about his walk, 324 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:43.000 his normal walk, And there's only two things on the 325 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:47.079 planet that walk like that, and it's him and Patty. 326 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:49.920 They have the same thing in common when they walk. 327 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:54.519 Her right foot just like his right foot. Every time 328 00:21:54.559 --> 00:21:58.480 he steps, he has this weird twitch about it where 329 00:21:58.480 --> 00:22:01.680 he kicks his foot out every time he steps. Off 330 00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:04.720 of that foot. It kicks out to the right side. 331 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:08.039 It's like a thing he does with his ankle. She 332 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:12.960 does it too, you know, And that's odd. That's odd, 333 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:13.160 you know. 334 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:16.480 And I think, you know, when people say, oh, well, 335 00:22:16.519 --> 00:22:19.920 the the Planet of the Apes was top of the 336 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:25.039 line costume making back then, nobody can make a costume 337 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:28.880 look like this, I think the Planet of the Apes 338 00:22:28.920 --> 00:22:29.880 costumes were better. 339 00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:36.480 Like I don't understanding how the film works in itself, 340 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:39.680 and and and it's such a big deal that the 341 00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:43.279 first copy is missing, Like that should be problem number 342 00:22:43.319 --> 00:22:45.279 one with everybody, Like, bro, how do you how do 343 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:48.920 you lose it? How does that get lost? I understand you. 344 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:50.920 How does that get lost? 345 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:54.839 That's on par with NASA saying that they can't exactly 346 00:22:55.119 --> 00:22:58.359 replicate Going Back to the Moon because we we destroyed 347 00:22:58.400 --> 00:22:59.160 all the information. 348 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:04.680 And then the second copy is also gone. We lost 349 00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:09.319 the best two copies that were available, and everything since 350 00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:14.000 then is when you copy that, it's a degradation. And 351 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:17.720 then the coloring of the film, right, barbaronmu says, the 352 00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:20.079 suit with black right. 353 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:22.039 Right? Yeah. 354 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:30.400 Oh. They everybody that developed film back then, they you know, 355 00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:33.559 it was like if you made shoes or something you 356 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:37.279 your tailored to your craft, and that you could have 357 00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:42.880 had that thing six developed, six different places, and they 358 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:46.960 would all look different with the coloring.

Right, So we 359 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:49.880 don't know how what the actual color of it was. 360 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:52.119 They've had to change it so many times to try 361 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:58.359 to meet you know what, they believe it was the thing. 362 00:23:58.480 --> 00:24:01.359 And the other issue that I have is like the 363 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:04.640 weather that's in the Patterson film does not match the 364 00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:08.039 record for the weather that day in Bluff Creek, California. 365 00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:13.799 Nobody's look at that ship. Yeah, I was saving that 366 00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:16.960 for my documentary, but you get it. 367 00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:20.559 You hear it here first that I have never heard. 368 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:25.720 Yeah, it look in the picture and then Google they'll 369 00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:28.400 give you the general area. Right, they don't have the 370 00:24:28.519 --> 00:24:32.799 exact weather from the Bluff Creek, but they have the 371 00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:40.000 nearest the nearest byplace, low visibility, fog, overcast looks like 372 00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:42.079 damn sun shining in that video. 373 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:48.440 And again that can be that could be part of 374 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:50.319 the way the film was developed. 375 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:53.960 But also yes, but you know, but you've got to 376 00:24:53.960 --> 00:24:57.440 figure with the costumes. Well you could tell those costumes 377 00:24:57.440 --> 00:24:59.359 Planet of the Apes for fake, yes, because they have 378 00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:05.279 fucking hide to all her cameras shooting high quality film, 379 00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:09.119 something Roger Patterson didn't have access to. Bill Munster tried 380 00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:10.599 to sit here and tell me that that camera he 381 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:15.079 shot with old Cadillac back then, whatever. Bro, it'd be 382 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:18.000 like me owning an A seven when I could have 383 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:24.079 a Canon C five hundred. You know, it's not the same. 384 00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:29.640 And to make that, I think, like, her back looks 385 00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:32.799 really good, it's really shiny on how they've restored it 386 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:37.480 and when it looks and stuff like that, and I 387 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:40.000 just I just think it's a costume. Man, it looks 388 00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:43.400 like a d walking in a costume. I had to 389 00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:46.839 side with Joe Rogan on that. Joe Rogan said, you 390 00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:49.039 never see a bear and think, oh, that's a man 391 00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:54.839 in a bear costume. You know when I look at 392 00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:58.240 that bigfoot and now, hey, I hope it's real. My 393 00:25:58.240 --> 00:26:01.519 my goal in the film about the work on which 394 00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:04.640 I'm gonna change people's minds. I'm gonna I'm gonna make 395 00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:07.319 y' all question. I know that, like, I don't know 396 00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:09.839 how people can hear all this stuff, and like the 397 00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:11.599 amount we're talking. 398 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:13.839 Like, oh, it's a lot, it's a lot we'll touch on, 399 00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:19.160 right and so, And it's not my it's not my 400 00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:23.960 intent to pull you this far into this subject matter. 401 00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:27.480 But oh it's fine. I love talking about. 402 00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:33.640 It, even the even the vast amount of stuff, the discrepancies, 403 00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:37.839 the things that don't make any sense, the things that 404 00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:42.279 should be red flags for most people about that say 405 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:50.839 about that video that citing the the film again, and 406 00:26:50.920 --> 00:26:56.400 I feel like I'm a very intelligent person. I feel like, 407 00:26:58.039 --> 00:27:04.519 I mean, I studied art, I was an artist. I drew, 408 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:12.480 I did figure study. And when I see that thing walk, 409 00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:16.559 I don't see a zipper. I don't see I see 410 00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:20.680 flexation in the in the muscles, right, you know, And 411 00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:24.200 that that that's the That's the point I was getting at, 412 00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:27.799 is that it is it is hard for me in 413 00:27:27.799 --> 00:27:30.160 in this space that we are in that we talk 414 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:35.000 about this stuff. There are so many things that don't 415 00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:40.880 add up when you talk about this this event well, 416 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:44.440 and that's why I struggle when I watch the video, 417 00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:47.720 especially now that it's even in the better the best 418 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:53.920 of best shapes that it has ever been and and stabilized. 419 00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:57.480 It's even more to me that, you know, and I 420 00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:02.960 could be a complete fucking idiot and just be replacing 421 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:06.559 my reality for somebody else's. 422 00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:11.119 But No, it wouldn't be that anybody would be an idiot, right. 423 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:20.680 I think I think maybe biases are a thing, right, 424 00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:24.759 whether you know you're being biased or not. Right, I 425 00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:27.319 think there's a different term for being biased when you 426 00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:29.160 actually know you're doing it, right. 427 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:32.240 Yeah, But. 428 00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:40.079 I think because people want to believe, they'll ignore certain 429 00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:46.880 things and they'll they're that we're wired that way because 430 00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:50.519 you look at it, and you look at like I mean,

431 00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:53.240 whether you like Joe Biden or not, or whether you 432 00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:58.400 like Donald Trump or not, or Obama or not some 433 00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:02.480 people because they were biased, we're gonna hate all those men, 434 00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:07.920 you know, or strongly dislike those men because of maybe 435 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.559 an R that's beside their name or maybe a D 436 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:14.839 that's beside their name. Right, we don't give the chance 437 00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:16.319 the person a chance to be. 438 00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:20.079 That's that's a very first statement, right, And. 439 00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:23.640 I think that's with the Bigfoot community. We don't give 440 00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:26.559 that that film a chance to be fake. 441 00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:34.000 That's that's that's probably a that's probably a very first statement. 442 00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:38.319 Yeah, because I mean, like, really, honestly, can you name 443 00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:43.039 the recreation that was done? No, can you name this 444 00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:47.039 solid effort that was put into it? No, No, you 445 00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:53.359 can't because there ain't been one, and so with my thing, 446 00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:58.519 I may I'm going to try to buy the Leroy 447 00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:02.279 Blevin's costume. It's really good. It looks the same. You 448 00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:08.799 can see the muscle movement and stuff, and it's just black. 449 00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:11.759 That's the only difference. But we're gonna we're gonna reshoot it. 450 00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:14.839 We're gonna reshoot the Patterson given the film and if 451 00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:18.799 nothing else, like my buddy Joey, because the way we're 452 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:21.960 gonna approach it, I'm in the middle. I don't know 453 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:25.920 which it is. I don't know if it's real or not. 454 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:27.839 I want to find out. I want to do everything 455 00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:30.960 I can to find out. I don't care where it lands, right, 456 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:32.920 it's gonna suck if it lands at it's fake. 457 00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:34.440 Yeah, you know what I. 458 00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:36.720 Mean because a lot of the if once that film's 459 00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:39.599 found out to be fake, a lot of the popularity 460 00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:48.160 of Bigfoot, it's gonna fucking tank and you'll lose casual people. Right. 461 00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:52.519 But then my buddy Joey, he thinks it's an absolute fraud, 462 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:55.960 and then my buddy Richard thinks his one hundred percent legit. 463 00:30:57.160 --> 00:30:59.799 So we're gonna all attack it from sides like that. 464 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:04.440 You know. But with me, my whole, my whole thing 465 00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:06.640 is just let's just see, let's put it to the

466 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:09.319 test and see if it's real. If if we can 467 00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:12.400 do the timeline like they say happened, and we'll give 468 00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:18.079 it a shot. If we can do that timeline, if 469 00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:20.480 we can make a suit shoot with the same exact 470 00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:24.640 camera and it looks comparable, yeah, I can ain't gotta 471 00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:29.400 It's never gonna look the same. But does it will 472 00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:33.039 will the people? That's the thing, And this is this 473 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.599 is the real thing that fascinates me about it. With 474 00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:39.839 all the evidence that we're gonna present in it being real, 475 00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:42.119 in it being fake, We're not going one side or 476 00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:46.279 the other, but in all the evidence we present, will 477 00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:50.279 will a believer's mind be changed to that it's fake? 478 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:57.880 Well? You know, for myself, right, I would say yes. 479 00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:03.519 I think I think I'm open minded enough to accept. 480 00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:08.319 You know, I'm not going to be a Bible thumping no, no. 481 00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:10.759 Right, yeah, And that's what I hope. But I wonder 482 00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:19.400 if are are suppressed biases you know, yeah, our biases, 483 00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:24.160 our team, you know, I bet if I had to 484 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:26.640 guess those people in the Bigfoo communion, and Gon'll give 485 00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:29.599 a ship what I got to say. And that's fine, 486 00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.599 that's perfectly fine, you know what I mean. But you 487 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:36.319 gotta because what if I can't prove it's fake. What 488 00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.480 if it's like, oh shit, we're obviously real. Then I'm 489 00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:41.160 gonna have a skeptic here with me who starts out 490 00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:43.960 saying that it's one hundred percent fake, And then he's 491 00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:45.920 gonna be like, yeah, hey, we tried it. We can't 492 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:49.279 do it. Yeah, because hey, he's so excited to do 493 00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:53.279 this one. Oh yeah, because there's camera work involved, Like 494 00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:58.319 we get to study how Roger moved, Like we're going 495 00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:01.599 to study the pattern of the camera, so we're going 496 00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:05.880 to almost replicate the video one, like okay, camera is 497 00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:09.839 left now up down like when it's jolting around and 498 00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:12.079 those big guys. We're going to frame by frame and 499 00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:13.680 get step by step with it. 500 00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:15.720 That'll be interesting. 501 00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:19.759 Yeah, and just give it. It's give it the recreation 502 00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:22.559 that like if it's been done, if people recreated it 503 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:25.759 like this before, I've never heard of it. You know, 504 00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:29.480 I maybe put some new eyes on a new effort, 505 00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:36.039 you know, because it'd be best for it to be real. Right. 506 00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:38.440 I believed in that film for a long time. I 507 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:42.519 would hope it's real, all right, don't know. 508 00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:45.519 Well, good luck with that and and I can't wait 509 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:48.200 to see what you guys come up with on that. Uh. 510 00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:53.519 Back to your show though, the new the New Bigfoot Underground, 511 00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:57.440 you had less Stroud on UH a short time ago, 512 00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:01.960 and that that episode did incredibly well for you, that 513 00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:09.880 one blew up. But for the most part, your your 514 00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:14.840 your show, with what you've released so far, it seems 515 00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:18.360 to more or less just kind of lean into credible 516 00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:26.559 witness accounts, some storytelling on your on your part, a 517 00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:35.760 lot of b roll. And I like that because it's 518 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:41.199 different than just being purely speculative on like cryptid theories, 519 00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:48.679 right it. It tends to lend credibility to the people 520 00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:56.639 that are that are relaying these accounts to you. They 521 00:34:56.679 --> 00:35:06.079 also seem to revolve around or be structured around incident reports. 522 00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:11.280 But I noticed you you you've got something out there 523 00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:15.920 with dog Man and and there's some other stuff unexplained sightings, 524 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:22.119 not not everything is just about classic Bigfoot right right? 525 00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:27.760 Is is the show centered on skunk ape stories, you know, 526 00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:33.280 Florida area sightings more than I can't get rid of 527 00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:36.639 this cold more than anything? Or is it is it 528 00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:38.440 over for a region. 529 00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:45.199 So I wanted to keep true to the Bigfoot part 530 00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:50.679 of Bigfoot Underground, right, and it be centered around Bigfoot. 531 00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:56.599 I didn't want to touch dog Man. And and the 532 00:35:56.719 --> 00:36:01.280 dog Man's sighting happened a few years back, like five 533 00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:04.000 miles from my house, and I got and I know 534 00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:07.119 the guy because he told me a story when it happened. 535 00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:09.400 I'm like, he'd be a great guess people like dog 536 00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:11.719 Man come on in because I can get

people come 537 00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:15.960 into the house, and I want as many conversations as 538 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:20.639 I can have face to face, right, I don't really 539 00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:23.480 want to. I've only done one zoom and that was 540 00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:28.519 with the Monster Quest director, right, obviously I couldn't get 541 00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:36.239 him to the house. But I think you're the people 542 00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:39.320 that I get are going to be close, you know 543 00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.280 what I mean, at least while I'm starting out. You know, 544 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:44.679 who knows, maybe this thing takes off and I'll have 545 00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:48.639 like a budget to fly people in from around the country, 546 00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:51.639 like Tony Merkle or something, you know, which that would 547 00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:58.280 be great, but you know, for now, it's it's mainly 548 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:02.000 gonna be people that are within like three hours, you know, 549 00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:04.079 people I can get to the house, and that's uh, 550 00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:09.000 that's gonna lean more towards like Florida stories. Yeah, Georgia's stories, 551 00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:10.039 Alabama stuff. 552 00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:16.639 Now something that interests me about your area, you know. 553 00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:20.400 I mean, for the most part, Florida is renowned for 554 00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:28.519 skunkpe skunk cape descriptions for the most part, seem to 555 00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:33.480 be a little bit smaller in stature, a little not 556 00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:42.800 quite as hair covered. Is that is that? Is that 557 00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:44.639 a fair breakdown? 558 00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:55.800 Yeah? So the it seems almost though in Florida that 559 00:37:55.920 --> 00:38:01.800 we have bigfoot and skunk cape more where we're at 560 00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:03.800 up here where I'm at in the northern part of 561 00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:08.639 the state, you're getting reports still these eight nine foot 562 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:12.000 tall you know, the thing my dad filmed like a 563 00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:16.079 typical bigfoot Clif Bartman said it was eight foot three inches. 564 00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:19.599 You know. When you get down to the Everglades, which 565 00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:23.039 is the other opposite end of the state, that's when 566 00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:26.400 you're getting the six seven foot you know. But they 567 00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:31.320 kind of tend to lean looking more like a orangutan, 568 00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:36.880 you know, kind of like in the Mayaca skun cape photos. 569 00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:42.079 A lot of people see something like that, which is weird. 570 00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:46.800 And then you also have people down there seeing what 571 00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:49.679 they would you know, typically describe as bigfoot, like if 572 00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:52.960 you look at David Sheeley's footage if that's real or not. 573 00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:56.000 But if you look at that, that's completely different than 574 00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:59.440 like the Mica skun Cape photos. So it's kind of 575 00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:04.039 weird when you get down into South Florida from like 576 00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:10.800 kind of Orlando down the the way, the reports kind 577 00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:15.079 of change up here. Up here we have more of 578 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:17.719 the people will still call it a skunk ape or 579 00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:20.480 a swamp ape up here, because we still hell of 580 00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:21.760 a swamp up here, you. 581 00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:26.079 Know, but the more more of the classic size and 582 00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:27.239 classic description. 583 00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:35.679 Yeah, our thing is that. Okay, So animals that live 584 00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:41.639 in the cold mountainous regions are hefty, and down here 585 00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:44.639 you can throw that same animal and bring his ass 586 00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:46.719 down here, and he ain't gonna be that hefty. The 587 00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:50.440 heat can't keep on the weight, you know what I mean. 588 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:54.400 So I think, And and then your lack of hair, 589 00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:56.880 you know, hair kind of thinning out from just living 590 00:39:56.920 --> 00:40:01.199 in the ship. You'll have you know, missing missing hair, 591 00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:04.039 Like the one I seen, it wasn't covered in hair. 592 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:07.119 I mean it still it had hair, but like I 593 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:11.880 could see its arms, you know what I mean, Like 594 00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:15.199 what it wasn't didn't have this like thick coat. I 595 00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:17.480 guess what I'm trying to say. And I think that's 596 00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:19.119 the better to deal with the heat. 597 00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:21.000 But you would think it would have to be. 598 00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:27.280 Brother, it gets so hot here, dude, Like I I 599 00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:30.519 understand how Like i'd be like, I don't understand how 600 00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:33.119 you could ever you know, I don't see how y'all 601 00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:35.719 could ever live up where you live right now? You 602 00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:37.880 probably think the same that you come down here in August, 603 00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:40.519 you'd be like I you you do realize it feels 604 00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:41.880 better everywhere north of here. 605 00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:50.920 I've been in Orlando, uh twice during summer months August. Uh, 606 00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:57.880 and that's rough. It's spending a weekend, it is spending 607 00:40:57.920 --> 00:40:59.960 a week at Disney carrying a kid on your should 608 00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:01.400 the

entire week. 609 00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:07.599 I lost some weight, Oh yeah, And you know, it's 610 00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.079 it's the way of life here. Though like I enjoy it, 611 00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:11.880 I can't wait for it to get like that again, 612 00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:18.000 you know. So it's it's just, uh, I think we 613 00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:20.119 adapt to the climates that we live in. 614 00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:20.880 You know. 615 00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:24.800 But you also you al said that Bergman's law. So 616 00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:27.800 like the closer you get to the equator, everything gets smaller. 617 00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:31.880 Humans primates included. Yeah, yeah, you know, and I think 618 00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:34.800 it falls on that a little bit as well. But 619 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:39.360 the heat for sure is not letting these creatures keep up. 620 00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:43.480 But then but then see that's the thing, and then 621 00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:46.440 I get reports to these things down here being massive, 622 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:50.679 and I just wonder. I'm like, were they're really looking 623 00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:54.920 at if that thing was like emaciated or you know, 624 00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:57.039 where they just they seen it because they are big. 625 00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:03.440 They are still big, you know, or is it is 626 00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:06.000 it like is it like a fishing story. 627 00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:08.519 Or are they new to the area. 628 00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:12.280 Maybe or are they coming through a damn portal and 629 00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:15.639 it doesn't affect them? I have no idea. 630 00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:20.440 Now, you grew up embedded in in bigfoot research. It's 631 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.159 not like you came to this later in life, right. 632 00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:26.320 You got it, came back to it. But yeah, when 633 00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:27.920 I was a little kid, this is what I did. 634 00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:30.960 You know, you got thermal image, you've got audio, you've 635 00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:37.039 you know, expedition footage. And the thing that's always uh 636 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:41.519 kind of endeared you to me has been you know, 637 00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:48.599 you have there's a willingness to discuss the what's the word. 638 00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:55.559 I'm looking for the overlap of phenomenon, whether when it 639 00:42:55.559 --> 00:43:03.039 comes to bigfoot, UFOs portals, other high strangeness elements that 640 00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:13.760 you you can talk about easily with with some a 641 00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:20.440 fair amount of knowledge about without getting sensationalized. Right, that 642 00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:24.280 makes sense. So yeah, you know, like, what was it 643 00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:28.599 like being a kid around bigfoot research. 644 00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:36.360 I don't know. I'm reading the books,

you know, anything 645 00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:41.320 I could get on on bigfoot. My dad encouraged it, right, 646 00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:47.519 But I was young. I was like six seven years old. 647 00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:52.280 I remember being in first grade, right, and talking about 648 00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:55.039 this to my friends because I had taken some of 649 00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:56.960 my friends we had They came and stayed at my 650 00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:59.760 house and we went bigfoot hunting. They didn't know what 651 00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:02.280 he bigot was, but told them all about it, had 652 00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:06.159 all these books on it and stuff. And then you know, 653 00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:08.280 they go to school and tell their friends and stuff 654 00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:10.639 like that, and kids do know about bigfoot and they 655 00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:15.440 know it's all fake, you know. That's that's there. That's 656 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:17.639 what they know about it, right, It's just a bunch 657 00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:23.000 of little crap. And I remember telling my first grade teacher, 658 00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:26.320 I wanted to be a bigfoot hunter, monster hunter, you know, 659 00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:28.639 because it was really in the were wolves then too, right, 660 00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:31.920 But I did not think where wolves are vampires were real. 661 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:34.760 I did believe in bigfoot right, Uh? And she telling 662 00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:36.880 me her, telling me that wasn't a real thing I 663 00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:41.920 could do when I grew up. It's like, I remember, 664 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:44.639 I remember what I had that damn research grant, and 665 00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:47.440 I was like professionally bigfoot hunting. That's what it was 666 00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:51.760 on my taxes. Uh that. 667 00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:55.800 Did you ever get to show or and be like see, 668 00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:57.840 did you ever get a chance to go back and show? 669 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:02.639 Were you ever able to get go back and show her? 670 00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:05.920 No? I don't know if she's alive. She was fucking mean. 671 00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:11.519 I don't care to see her again anyways. So but 672 00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:14.519 it was cool man like my dad. My dad was 673 00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:19.320 very into that ship. And so my world was so 674 00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:24.679 much bigger than my best friend Jonathan's world, you know 675 00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:26.519 what I mean, because it was an end of that stuff. 676 00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:29.719 His his dad didn't embrace. His dad wouldn't sit down 677 00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:32.800 and read it with him. My dad would sit at 678 00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:36.679 the table and there was this what was it called 679 00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:40.800 mysterious universe something. It was these time life books, right, 680 00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:44.239 and they were like nice books. You get him into 681 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:49.000 mail and we would get one in the mail and 682 00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:50.920 then Dad would just sit there and we breathe the 683 00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:54.400 damn thing. It would be pictures, ufo stuff all about, 684 00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:59.719 like the crop circles and stone hinge and the pyramids 685 00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:03.880 and muted triangle in Atlantis and all these big ass, 686 00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:05.840 larger than live stories. 687 00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:06.800 And so. 688 00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:13.079 You know, I really credit my dad with allowing my 689 00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:17.840 world to be that big, because I don't think had 690 00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:22.639 he not done that, I couldn't have the thought process 691 00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:26.400 that I have now. If that makes sense. 692 00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:30.960 It makes a lot of sense, and in a different way, 693 00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:36.559 but still yet it's kind of the same. My parents. 694 00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:43.079 I Christopher Lee is Dracula back in the nineteen seventies 695 00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:46.840 right scared the shit out of me. I would watch 696 00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:51.719 it from behind a chair with one eye, couldn't stop 697 00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:53.199 watching it. Scared the hell. 698 00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:53.400 Out of me. 699 00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:59.519 Loved horror movies. Bitten by the ufo bug when I 700 00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:04.679 was very young five and I know it's five because 701 00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:09.039 Chariots of the Gods came out in nineteen seventy. I 702 00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:12.400 was born in nineteen sixty five. I talked my grandmother 703 00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:18.079 into taking me to see Chariots of the Gods, and 704 00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:22.280 that was all about crop circles, the Nascal lines, UFOs, 705 00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:29.559 all that stuff. Bigfoot happened probably about nineteen seventy seven, 706 00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:37.159 so you know, the year that the Gimlin film aired 707 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:42.480 on in Search of But that was followed with Atlantis 708 00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:49.679 and the Bermuda Triangle and all the different things. And 709 00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:54.000 my parents never they were never like, oh, yeah, you 710 00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:56.920 should really pay attention to this stuff. They weren't like that. 711 00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:02.119 But they never swayed me away from having an interest 712 00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:06.159 in it. And and I think that's why it has 713 00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:12.440 stayed with me. And you know, shit, I'm sixty now, 714 00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:17.599 so I literally have had since since the age of five. 715 00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:21.400 I've literally been into this stuff my entire life. 716 00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:26.280 And

yeah, and that's that's so cool. I did the 717 00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:28.800 same thing with my kids, you know. I mean, of 718 00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:31.159 course they're not into it now, they're all in high school, 719 00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:34.840 and yeah, you know, they don't pay it much mine anymore. 720 00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:38.719 They know I'm still all into it. But maybe it 721 00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:40.960 had turn and come back because I did the same thing. 722 00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:44.480 I got away from it when you know, I got 723 00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:46.599 into sports and stuff and quit talking about it because 724 00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:47.719 fucking kids vicked on you. 725 00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:53.280 Yeah, my son's my son's he's into it. My daughter, 726 00:48:54.320 --> 00:49:01.760 she humors me about it. She's in tristed to an extent, 727 00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:06.159 But my son is much more like me, and that 728 00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:11.639 you know he's been he's he's a geologist. So he 729 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:19.000 spent the early part of his geology career working. He 730 00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:27.880 was out drilling in remote locations, and I mean hearing things, 731 00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:35.119 seeing things that like check mark boxes and you know 732 00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:42.119 things that we hear in other podcasts and other related 733 00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:45.159 stories that you know where people are saying the same things. 734 00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:52.039 So I think if he had the time available to himself, 735 00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:57.480 he would probably he would probably lean even heavier into 736 00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:00.800 it that his job keeps. I'm pretty busy. 737 00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:04.239 Yeah, life gets in the way of this stuff. 738 00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:09.840 It does. Was there a was there a moment that 739 00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:17.280 you were able to either record or capture in some 740 00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:26.719 way that surprised you and made you realize this isn't 741 00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:34.159 just folklore? What what was that that first thing that 742 00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:36.039 was that holy shit moment? 743 00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:45.239 Yeah, I had heard some knocks before. It's kind of 744 00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:51.519 see the thing like I had an encounter when I 745 00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:54.840 was a kid, and I didn't remember it. Hell I 746 00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:57.599 it came like till my mother told me. So I 747 00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:01.880 don't know if I should count that one, but I 748 00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:04.079 guess it would end up having to be my first 749 00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:10.880 encounter when you know, me and my bass player, I 750 00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:17.719 had our encounter there November eleventh, No, November six, twenty eleven. Yeah, 751 00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:20.880 I'd had to say. It was that we went to 752 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:27.480 a went to a lady's house that was on finding Bigfoot, right, 753 00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:30.039 And my dad was supposed to go with me, and 754 00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:35.119 he had gotten sick with cancer and couldn't go, but 755 00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:40.360 my bass player went with me. And we get there 756 00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:44.360 and like immediately as we're coming down the driveway, we 757 00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:47.599 see this like black figure step into the tree line 758 00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:53.840 and yeah, and I was like, are we picking ourselves up? 759 00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:54.039 Bro? 760 00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:56.599 Like what is going on? And so we pulled up 761 00:51:56.639 --> 00:51:59.400 there real slow, and then you could hear something walking 762 00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:03.719 down the room. But wasn't sure what it was, okay, 763 00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:07.280 because in all fairness, I only seen it from like 764 00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:11.239 I only seem like a pair of legs, Okay. He 765 00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:13.719 said he saw like the whole thing standing up, like 766 00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:18.880 the like the left side of its body. I only 767 00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:24.639 seen like the leg going into the woods. But we 768 00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:28.280 get there, we talked to the lady, and I don't 769 00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:30.239 know if y'all remember finding big Foot. There was a 770 00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:33.719 lady that had a handprint on the inside of her door. 771 00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:38.800 It was like the second episode they ever had, and 772 00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:42.480 this is the episode when Bobo famously fell down the steps. 773 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:49.280 But that's where we were at. I looked her up 774 00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:51.280 in the phone book and called her, and that's where 775 00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:54.400 we were at. And so we get there and we 776 00:52:54.519 --> 00:53:00.199 get on her mule, which was like it's like an 777 00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:04.519 atv okay, it's not like an actual mule, and we're 778 00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:05.960 sitting in the back of it and her and her 779 00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:13.239 husband drive us around the property and there they're like 780 00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:16.559 pointing out homeboy, seeing one here, got seen one here, 781 00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:18.800 and blah blah blah, this happened here. You know. It's 782 00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:23.880 like a Safario most Yeah. And then we get to 783 00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:28.400 where she wants us to camp, and there's like an old, 784 00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:32.000 abandoned two story shack on it and it's a bull 785 00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:36.159 It's a bullshit shack. Right. It looks like Jason Vorhees 786 00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:39.960 built that damn thing and lives in it, right. And 787 00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:42.400 so we set up our tent there, you know, in 788 00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:48.960 our

tents, and we go and you know, nightfall comes. 789 00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:53.639 We cook, then we go walk in the trails and 790 00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:56.760 we walk up to the top of this hill where 791 00:53:56.800 --> 00:54:00.239 there were some like structures and they were like knee 792 00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:03.440 structures that they're pretty intricate, like something with hands made it. 793 00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:06.719 Whether it was her or a big foot, I don't know. 794 00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:15.199 And we're sitting there on this hill and like the 795 00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:19.039 hill is going down to this like creek. It's a 796 00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:21.000 little ravine and there's a creek in the bottom of 797 00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:24.800 and then it goes back up on the other side. 798 00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:30.079 And we're sitting there and I noticed the hickory nuts 799 00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:34.480 are now coming uphill right. It was a pretty good grade. 800 00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:36.599 They should be rolling the other way when they when 801 00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:40.320 they hit, and about four or five of them came 802 00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:44.239 and they're like bouncing up hill at us. And so 803 00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:50.639 I had this damn like electrical thermal. It's worked on boats, 804 00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:56.559 you know, and it was for like seeing bad wires, 805 00:54:56.840 --> 00:54:58.679 you know, one of the ones that got the screen 806 00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:03.039 on it. Yeah, And I scan it and directly across 807 00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:07.800 from us as a grouping of small trees that can 808 00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:13.559 be no bigger than maybe a cucumber around right, and 809 00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:17.840 there's this huge ass heat signature behind it. It's only 810 00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:21.280 like five little bitty trees together and there's just like 811 00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:25.079 this huge ass heat signature behind it. Like I don't know, 812 00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:28.519 maybe we found the one retarded bigfoot. They didn't realize 813 00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:30.079 he was able to hide. 814 00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:30.800 I don't know. 815 00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:39.840 But we seen that. Oh boy, whoa, whoa, holy shit, 816 00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:42.360 did you see that? He's like scan it up again 817 00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:44.559 and see I was like, I ain't looking. It was 818 00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:46.400 like comical, right, because. 819 00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:48.280 So what time of day was it? 820 00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:51.880 This is probably like midnight? 821 00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:54.960 Oh okay, okay, so you were you were in dark. 822 00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:58.119 As hell, right, and uh, we're new to this land 823 00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:01.440 and we've kind of psyched ourselves up, right, we're there 824 00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:04.480 to write some tunes for an album, but we decided 825 00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:06.599 to do it at this big foot place, you know, 826 00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:10.400 for a cool experience. And it starts kind of getting 827 00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:15.079 a little worrisome. And I remember taking that thermal out 828 00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:18.119 of my bag and scanning from left to right. And 829 00:56:18.159 --> 00:56:21.000 when that then, when we've both seen that in the 830 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:24.239 thermal on the screen, I was like, whoa, you know 831 00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:29.400 it was it was funny. And so we got up 832 00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:33.159 and left like nope, nope, don't know what that is, 833 00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:35.480 not going to find out. We couldn't tell it was 834 00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:39.880 just a heat the blog, right, because that far away, 835 00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:44.480 that thermal one, you couldn't tell nothing. And we go 836 00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:48.719 back and it's about a mile and a half walk back. 837 00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:53.840 I would say maybe just a mile. I don't know. 838 00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:55.679 It was a ways, right, It was like a twenty 839 00:56:55.719 --> 00:57:02.440 minute walk. And when we get back, the damn things 840 00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:06.679 there at the camp. What we didn't realize is that 841 00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:12.280 our camp was only like two hills over. So like 842 00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:15.119 if you were to walk up where that thing was at, yeah, 843 00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:18.199 you walked up that hill and then back down and 844 00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:21.039 back up again, and back down and back up again, 845 00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:24.400 you'd be at our camp. It's just straight through the woods. 846 00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:26.559 When I had no idea of that, we went the 847 00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:33.800 trail system that took us way to hell. Yeah. And 848 00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:38.559 so we get there and we're hearing this like footsteps 849 00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:43.880 and now you got to understand, it was November, okay, 850 00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:46.920 so all the leaves have fallen. You can't walk in 851 00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:55.239 these woods without just crunching, dude. And we're hearing these 852 00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:59.000 footsteps and we're like talking to each other, like, bro, 853 00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:01.880 this is getting to be some bullshit. When Matt starts drinking. 854 00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:06.480 Matt always drank. In his defense, he always drank. It 855 00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:10.840 just seemed like he was drinking more. You know. Maybe 856 00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:14.760 I was more alert to it, I don't know. And 857 00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:21.880 I got the spotlight and waited to hear them footsteps. 858 00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:23.840 And when I heard them, I turned and I shine 859 00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:25.880 downhill because we're up on top of the hill and 860 00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:28.000 the

footsteps are coming from kind of the base of 861 00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:31.960 the hill, like kind of halfway up it, and I 862 00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:34.679 shine it on the tree where it stopped, and I 863 00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:36.400 was like, all right, I'm gonna wait you out. And 864 00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:38.320 I walk down there and I'm holding that light on 865 00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:40.280 that tree. And I don't walk to the tree. I'm 866 00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:42.840 still probably about twenty yards away from it. I'm just 867 00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:44.880 holding the light on it. And when I tell you 868 00:58:44.920 --> 00:58:47.159 I held that light like ten minutes, I mean it. 869 00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:51.440 I held that light there for like ten minutes, just 870 00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:54.039 standing there, holding the light, waiting on the damn thing, 871 00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:56.679 my hand on my gun, waiting on this thing step out. 872 00:58:57.119 --> 00:59:00.679 I don't know what it is. I think what I 873 00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:03.280 was kind of pissed off because I'm like, they're they're 874 00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:08.800 messing with us, right, I think the landowners are messing 875 00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:13.239 with us. And now they're both kind of heavy set. Uh, 876 00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:17.480 they're they're older, They're not going to be walking in 877 00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:19.599 the woods. So maybe it's their nephew or somebody right 878 00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:25.760 standing and hold that damn light. And all that time 879 00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:28.360 goes by, and I'm like, are you losing your mind? 880 00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:30.599 I turned the light off, turn around, walk all the 881 00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:32.840 way up. He'll get back to the fire. Damn, foot 882 00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:39.239 steps start again, right, and then it just kind of stops, 883 00:59:40.360 --> 00:59:46.840 kind of stops for sitting by the fire. And I 884 00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:50.960 don't know how much time has passed. It's weird because 885 00:59:51.039 --> 01:00:01.519 my recollection of time that night is very very odd, right, Like, 886 01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:06.599 I don't I don't understand, because it felt like we 887 01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:11.159 were sitting there by that fire forever. But it couldn't 888 01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:15.159 have been, because then the next thing happened. We hear 889 01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:18.119 the breathing and it's there, it's just at the edge 890 01:00:18.159 --> 01:00:25.760 of the firelight. We hear the shit and staying to 891 01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:28.920 look at it. And I don't know how long that lasted, Uh, 892 01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:33.440 probably not long. And it just turns out walks off right, 893 01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:35.280 and I look at Matt and that looks at me. 894 01:00:35.920 --> 01:00:40.840 We don't say nothing. We're just kind of sitting there right, 895 01:00:41.119 --> 01:00:47.400 no light, no hell, I know what to do. I 896 01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:49.800 don't even know where the light was at not I 897 01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:53.320 think about it, but I didn't know what to do. 898 01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:59.760 What do you do? It's like, brother, I was so terrified. 899 01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:03.679 It was a feeling of dread and a feeling like 900 01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:06.440 you just got a call and somebody you loved is 901 01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:09.679 in the hospital and it may not make it. There's 902 01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:13.320 nothing you can do. Whatever this thing wants to do 903 01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:17.400 is gonna happen. It was a helplessness, is the way 904 01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:19.280 I had my encounter. 905 01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:26.880 Do you think that was a Do you think that 906 01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:31.599 that feeling was projected on you? 907 01:01:33.079 --> 01:01:34.639 I have no idea, or was it? 908 01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:37.119 Do you think that was like when you search your 909 01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:39.199 heart of hearts? Do you think that that was just 910 01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:45.280 a moment of complete utter terror, no idea what to 911 01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:48.880 do and what's paralyzed with fear? 912 01:01:49.079 --> 01:01:53.679 For the most part, Let's see, here's here's the problem. 913 01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:57.599 Like I said, Matt was drinking, it makes sense that 914 01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:01.599 Matt didn't hear it. I was so a judge. Remember 915 01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:04.119 I told you couldn't walk through the woods. Yeah about 916 01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:06.599 it crunching. The thing walked all the way up that 917 01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:12.000 hill and was there and I didn't know it. There 918 01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:16.519 wasn't no music playing. Then. Guitars never got picked up, 919 01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:23.199 not the whole weekend. Well maybe they did a little bit, 920 01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:25.719 but now after all the shit started them, guitars never 921 01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:32.360 got touched again. We're just sitting there, you know, And 922 01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:33.840 so how did it get up the hill? 923 01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:34.920 Yeah? 924 01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:37.679 I know, we wasn't having that good of a conversation, 925 01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:47.960 m And that's what that's so. I don't know. I 926 01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:50.920 didn't even think about that till years later, and it's 927 01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:53.320 just dawned to me. I never heard of, damn, think 928 01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:57.639 come up the hill. I never heard it come up 929 01:02:57.679 --> 01:02:59.400 the hill? And why did I remember that? Why did 930 01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:03.639 that hit me years later? Yeah, you know, that's another 931 01:03:03.679 --> 01:03:07.400 thing about it. But like, so then I'm not going 932 01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:11.400 to bed, Okay.

Matt's like, I can't take this no more. 933 01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:15.119 And he's drunk. Now at this point, he's shot. This 934 01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:18.199 dude's shot. He gets over to the tent, gets in 935 01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:28.679 the tent, and I fall asleep on the cooler like 936 01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:31.800 a nod off. And I dropped to a knee and 937 01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:33.800 I'm like, oh my god, I can't stay up. And 938 01:03:33.880 --> 01:03:36.000 it was quiet, and sat there a few more minutes, 939 01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:39.239 and I went and got the tent with him. I 940 01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:41.320 told him, I said, you can do until if everybody 941 01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:45.079 at work, whatever the hell you want, I don't care 942 01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:47.079 when not sleeping in that tent over there by myself. 943 01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:54.119 It ain't happened. And then I wake up to Matt screaming, 944 01:03:56.599 --> 01:04:01.519 I don't know what happened before, right, he said, it 945 01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:04.519 kept hitting the top of the tent, pop pop pop 946 01:04:04.599 --> 01:04:07.039 pop pop in the top of the tent. When I 947 01:04:07.119 --> 01:04:10.559 wake up, the tent is like six seven inches from 948 01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:11.199 my face. 949 01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:13.280 Oh no kidding. 950 01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:18.400 He like pressed it down and then tears all through 951 01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:21.960 the woods and you hear it go away. Sound like 952 01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:25.400 somebody drove a damn Ford Ranger off through the woods. 953 01:04:27.159 --> 01:04:32.559 There's no road, just you hit the bushes, bro and 954 01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:38.679 or it's still dark. So see that. That's my whole 955 01:04:38.679 --> 01:04:40.320 problem with all this. I don't know. I don't know 956 01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:44.400 how much time was taken at every step on this. 957 01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:49.000 Matt says, let's go get in the truck. We could 958 01:04:49.039 --> 01:04:55.320 lock the truck, and I said, no, hell no, right like, 959 01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:58.119 we didn't drive nowhere because his Matt's truck and he's 960 01:04:58.199 --> 01:04:59.719 drunk and we have weed on us, and it was 961 01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:02.760 a night like that's just a god's honest truth. We're 962 01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:05.559 late at night in the middle of nowhere out in Chattahoochee. 963 01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:08.320 I ain't riding them roads back to the house and 964 01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:13.440 getting pulled over. We still very much illegal in Florida 965 01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:19.159 at that time, and for anybody says, oh, we're all smoking, Yeah, 966 01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:20.960 we were smoking. I told you we went out there 967 01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:25.679 to work on a record. You know, Like the fuck 968 01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:28.199 do you think was going on? But we don't make 969 01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:33.239 you see shit. Anybody that's ever smoked Nope, you ain't 970 01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:39.480 never smoked dope. And Bigfoot appeared in your house. That's 971 01:05:39.519 --> 01:05:43.519 not the drug. Maybe mushrooms, maybe he smoke some PCP 972 01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:45.840 or something. You get there, but you ain't getting there 973 01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:49.800 with marijuana. You should get high, right and forget shit 974 01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:55.360 and eat, you know, And that not that nobody was high, 975 01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:58.559 Like I wasn't high, because seriously, once all that shit stopped, 976 01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:01.559 started sowd up real quick, I ain't smoking another bit. 977 01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:08.320 But uh, you know, Matt's like, I'm getting in the 978 01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:10.519 truck and I'm like, no, I don't want I don't 979 01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:12.760 want to wake up, and this thing's looking at me 980 01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:20.400 through the window. Yeah, I don't know that I've survived, brother, 981 01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:27.199 it's so scared, so terrified. Right, So next morning rolls around. 982 01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:31.400 I hear Matt banging around outside and that wakes me up. 983 01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:37.840 So I get up out of the tent and well 984 01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:41.199 we don't really even talk, like I call my dad 985 01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:44.880 and I tell him everything that happened, and he's like, 986 01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:47.760 you mean to tell me people have been hunting Bigfoot 987 01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:50.039 for sixty years and you're about to come to the house. 988 01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:53.559 I was like, hell, yeah, you know you've been people 989 01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:55.199 been hunting him and you was that close and you 990 01:06:55.239 --> 01:06:57.400 come into the house. He said, you come into the 991 01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:02.239 house and will punch you right in the face. Jesus right. 992 01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:06.000 He's like, get a picture, and I'm like, all right. 993 01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:08.519 Staying the other night and as we're riding was we 994 01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:16.679 ride up town, breakfast right up to the Hearties and 995 01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:19.239 after we sit down order our food. Then never but 996 01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:21.599 this is the first thing I remember Matt really saying 997 01:07:21.679 --> 01:07:25.880 to me was he goes, so they didn't get us. 998 01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:31.960 You want to stay another day? We can. I'm down 999 01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:35.000 to do it. I think I don't know that they're 1000 01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:39.079 gonna hurt us. And I was like, yeah, I guess. 1001 01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:41.280 So I told him what my dad said, you know, 1002 01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:45.920 And we stayed again and walked all around the woods. 1003 01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:51.400 We found the path where it ran away. Uh

just 1004 01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:57.400 the damn, uh babe. The bay trees were just pushed over, 1005 01:07:57.960 --> 01:08:02.320 you know. The green trees. Found all kinds of breaks, 1006 01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:06.960 some things we thought were tracks and never had a 1007 01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:09.800 feeling if something was watching us or anything. And we 1008 01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:13.159 walked them damn woods all day long and we didn't 1009 01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:23.159 even tell the land owner this, right, And then night 1010 01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:31.520 falls and it all starts again, rewind and play right. 1011 01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:37.520 So we're just hearing it, walking, walking, walking, and like, 1012 01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:41.039 I get to the point where I'm asking the woods 1013 01:08:41.439 --> 01:08:50.920 to stop, please leave us alone. I'm yelling this, I'm terrified, brother. 1014 01:08:52.199 --> 01:08:57.520 And then sometime later in the night, before midnight, or 1015 01:08:57.560 --> 01:09:03.680 maybe right at midnight, the worst thing of the weekend happened. 1016 01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:08.600 This thing yelled and it was only probably it was 1017 01:09:08.680 --> 01:09:11.279 just down the hill, right, So like down the hill 1018 01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:15.119 was a spot where two creeks met, one that ran 1019 01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:17.199 east and west and wanted to run the bigger one 1020 01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:20.159 that run north and south, that little creek coming east west. 1021 01:09:20.399 --> 01:09:23.960 He was running in that north south creek and so 1022 01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:30.239 he was right at the corner of that and he yelled. 1023 01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:33.399 He couldn't be he couldn't have been an hundred yards 1024 01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:37.520 and he yelled, brother, and it was so loud, and 1025 01:09:37.520 --> 01:09:40.760 it was just like, oh no, I just remember saying that. 1026 01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:43.239 I was like, oh no, no, no, no, no no. 1027 01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:48.439 And then the absolute worst thing happened after that. He 1028 01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:55.000 did that, and then a few moments went by and 1029 01:09:55.119 --> 01:10:02.399 another one went off, answering him from probably a mile away, 1030 01:10:02.439 --> 01:10:04.479 if I had to guess, he was a ways off, 1031 01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:08.680 but it was the same call, and it was coming 1032 01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:13.479 back to that one, and I'm like, all, great, he's 1033 01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:18.800 called Larry and the boys. You know, we're about to 1034 01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:22.640 get it. We've came to the to the zoo and 1035 01:10:22.680 --> 01:10:30.319 set our tent in the ape enclosure. And that moment 1036 01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:35.279 we were debating going up to the house, just telling him, Hey, 1037 01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:38.960 you just hang out here for a little bit and 1038 01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:44.319 we're probably gonna bounce. Yeah, you know, But nothing ever happened. 1039 01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:49.399 It all stopped. That yell happened, and it all stopped, 1040 01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:55.319 and I think he went to them, the one that 1041 01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:59.880 was there with us. I think once that yell happened, 1042 01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:06.560 that one rode out towards the other one and that 1043 01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:08.079 was it that I was sold. Man. 1044 01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:10.079 Do you think he was getting chest doosed by the 1045 01:11:10.079 --> 01:11:11.119 one that was further off? 1046 01:11:12.039 --> 01:11:12.520 I don't know. 1047 01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:13.039 I don't know. 1048 01:11:13.159 --> 01:11:19.359 Maybe it was a location thing, you know, uh, trying 1049 01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:22.399 to locate because my my chickens do that, yeah, right, 1050 01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:26.399 the rooster when one of them, A couple couple of 1051 01:11:26.399 --> 01:11:31.800 them venture off from the flock. He'll he'll crow during 1052 01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:33.439 the middle of the day and then they'll come back, 1053 01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:41.439 you know, So I assume it's probably what that was, right, 1054 01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:43.399 just kind of a hey, get your ass home, street 1055 01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:48.479 lights on, buddy, yeah, you know, And that was it. 1056 01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:48.680 Man. 1057 01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:54.439 I was sold. Bro I quit my band, I started 1058 01:11:54.439 --> 01:11:57.000 going out. I switched my jobs twelve hours a week 1059 01:11:57.920 --> 01:11:59.640 or twelve hours of shift so I could have more 1060 01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:03.800 days of week off, you know, and just started pushing it, 1061 01:12:03.880 --> 01:12:06.880 dude and trying to find evidence. And then like six 1062 01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:09.239 months later, so me and my dad got the footage, 1063 01:12:09.319 --> 01:12:12.840 maybe seven months we got the footage. He's seen how 1064 01:12:12.920 --> 01:12:14.920 much I was into it. But that was it. That 1065 01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:20.000 was my moment. Sold, sold, done deal, and Stacy Brown 1066 01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:25.119 was within ten fifteen yards of Sasquatch. I'm gonna kill 1067 01:12:25.159 --> 01:12:29.439 this thing. Everybody else is stupid, brot. They can't solve this. 1068 01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:31.600 That was my immediate thoughts because I got on the 1069 01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:35.880 I got on bigfoot forums and like, I just sat 1070 01:12:35.960 --> 01:12:38.520 back and became a fly on the wall, you know. 1071 01:12:39.279 --> 01:12:43.760 I was like, Oh, Okay, these motherfuckers are insane. This 1072 01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:47.000 is what bigfoot ain't been found. I don't know that 1073 01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:49.520 they can go and kill a real animal. They're just 1074 01:12:49.520 --> 01:12:53.399 doing nothing but tearing each

other down. Yeah, when you're 1075 01:12:53.439 --> 01:12:55.039 on the outside and you look at the way the 1076 01:12:55.039 --> 01:12:57.520 Bigfoot community is and how toxic it is, and it's 1077 01:12:57.560 --> 01:13:01.159 been like this since I've been in it, it's a nuthouse. 1078 01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:04.399 It's wild, it's. 1079 01:13:04.239 --> 01:13:08.600 A nuthouse versa. Why would anybody think, why would science 1080 01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:15.159 take it seriously? Right, everybody wants to know look in 1081 01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:19.279 the mirror. Why would science take it seriously? Why would 1082 01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:22.359 any of these academics, anybody that matters to anything take this. 1083 01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:27.600 You know, this is the Bigfoot community. Okay, I'm gonna 1084 01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:31.159 put it in perspective. The Bigfoot community is cousin Eddie 1085 01:13:31.159 --> 01:13:36.239 from Christmas vacation rolling up to the house, and they're 1086 01:13:36.319 --> 01:13:39.680 rolling up to the scientific community's house and they're holding 1087 01:13:39.680 --> 01:13:44.399 the hose in the yard saying the shitter's full. You 1088 01:13:44.479 --> 01:13:45.159 know what I mean. 1089 01:13:45.279 --> 01:13:47.880 That's not a bad analogy at all. 1090 01:13:48.479 --> 01:13:54.239 No, that's spot on, dude. They're like, oh shit, the 1091 01:13:54.239 --> 01:14:00.920 bigfooters are here again. Quick turn the lights out, duck down. 1092 01:14:01.319 --> 01:14:06.560 They'll go away. But that was that was the look 1093 01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:08.399 I had into it. When I looked at it, I 1094 01:14:08.439 --> 01:14:12.000 was like, holy cow, you guys so many people into 1095 01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:15.960 this topic and they will not work together. Yeah, they 1096 01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:19.079 all got to be Mavericks, some damn John. 1097 01:14:18.840 --> 01:14:20.279 Wayne or something. You know. 1098 01:14:21.479 --> 01:14:22.319 That's very true. 1099 01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:28.439 Yeah, And so I dove all in and I was like, yeah, 1100 01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:31.319 I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna I'm gonna kill Bigfoot 1101 01:14:31.359 --> 01:14:34.960 within six months. They're real. I know they're real now, 1102 01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:40.880 but that six months has been shit. No, it's twenty eleven. 1103 01:14:41.039 --> 01:14:45.800 So November twenty eleven and here we are what in 1104 01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:49.880 January and twenty six Yeah, yeah, we gotta go. Fifteen 1105 01:14:49.960 --> 01:14:51.399 years later, I still ain't done it. 1106 01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:55.840 Well, that's a great story. Thanks for thanks for sharing that, 1107 01:14:56.720 --> 01:15:00.920 Thanks for sharing that with us. No worries, man, You 1108 01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:04.720 ready for some now? This is this is based on 1109 01:15:04.920 --> 01:15:14.119 your your research, your experiences, your observable truth to what's 1110 01:15:14.239 --> 01:15:17.199 sure to what's going on there. Let's let's do a 1111 01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:22.279 little bit of a rapid fire ah session. 1112 01:15:21.960 --> 01:15:25.680 Here in depth answers or is this gonna go quick? 1113 01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:37.600 Probably quick? Okay in your opinion? Migration patterns or permanent populations. 1114 01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:42.239 Uh, nomadics following food source. 1115 01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:50.600 Related to their habitat, selection because of food source and availability. 1116 01:15:50.680 --> 01:15:55.880 Right, Yeah, straight food source from what I've seen. Uh, 1117 01:15:56.399 --> 01:15:58.520 you know the old saying in Boggy Creek, they followed, 1118 01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:01.319 they followed the creeks, and follow the creeks. It's all 1119 01:16:01.319 --> 01:16:03.640 these creatures doing. They're moving up and down the rivers 1120 01:16:03.640 --> 01:16:07.479 and the water systems, you know, with the with the 1121 01:16:07.479 --> 01:16:10.479 deer herds, with the with the hog populations and stuff. 1122 01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:12.479 And then that's what makes them so hard to find. 1123 01:16:12.520 --> 01:16:15.359 They never in the same spot long, maybe a week, 1124 01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:17.199 two weeks. It's my rule. Like if you had a 1125 01:16:17.239 --> 01:16:20.800 sighting yesterday, yeah we've got two weeks. We had like 1126 01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:21.319 ten days. 1127 01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:30.239 But do you think they come back beyond that beyond 1128 01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:31.800 that two week window. 1129 01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:35.439 Yeah, they'll be back because the ship's got to grow back. 1130 01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:39.039 So whatever they're eating there will come back in and 1131 01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:43.119 that's when they'll be back in. So there's a guy 1132 01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:46.720 uh I've talked to for years. Every year his per 1133 01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:52.520 Simmons come in bloom uh in November and this asquatch 1134 01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:54.840 come in his yard. And the man will not let 1135 01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:57.079 me come to his house. He said, he does not 1136 01:16:57.159 --> 01:16:58.000 want me messing with him. 1137 01:17:02.119 --> 01:17:06.560 Why so many You know, when you listen to Sasquatch 1138 01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:14.600 Chronicles or any of the other eyewitness podcasts type shows. 1139 01:17:15.920 --> 01:17:19.800 So many times you hear about they're out in the 1140 01:17:19.880 --> 01:17:24.920 rural areas, they're out in you know, they're far away, removed, 1141 01:17:25.039 --> 01:17:29.159 far removed from civilization, and they have these encounters. But 1142 01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:33.520 yet there are a lot of encounters that seem to 1143 01:17:33.520 --> 01:17:44.840 cluster near human infrastructure, relatable experience. 1144 01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:52.439 I think it's more of situational, So

it tends to 1145 01:17:52.479 --> 01:17:55.520 be the ones that are saw in you I don't know, 1146 01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:58.039 I add, of all the reports I've taken, they've never 1147 01:17:58.079 --> 01:18:01.920 seen the old one way off in this The old 1148 01:18:01.960 --> 01:18:06.560 ones always up by the house getting dog food. Maybe 1149 01:18:06.560 --> 01:18:10.239 it can't hunt is good anymore, you know, Or maybe 1150 01:18:10.279 --> 01:18:15.359 the house lives on the creek, right, or the house 1151 01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:17.560 is built on the creek that they come up and 1152 01:18:17.680 --> 01:18:21.439 down every couple months, you know, something like that. But 1153 01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:26.720 it's usually from my stories or my reports that I've taken, 1154 01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:30.560 it seems to be the healthier, younger ones in the 1155 01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:36.680 woods and the older or younger ones up around the houses. 1156 01:18:38.319 --> 01:18:40.840 I think it's things that can't eat or like, can't 1157 01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:43.399 hunt as well anymore for whatever reason. 1158 01:18:43.239 --> 01:18:45.840 Yeah, or aren't old. 1159 01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:50.199 Enough to hunt, right, Like, so the location where we 1160 01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:53.119 where I had that encounter I just told you about 1161 01:18:54.279 --> 01:18:58.920 the BFRO had considered that a nursery. It's a spot 1162 01:18:58.920 --> 01:19:02.319 where they would drop the young, okay, to where they 1163 01:19:02.359 --> 01:19:04.279 can go and hunt. Right. 1164 01:19:08.199 --> 01:19:11.720 Why do you think children seem to be such a 1165 01:19:11.760 --> 01:19:15.439 point of curiosity with these things? 1166 01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:22.600 Oh? I used to think that, Okay. I used to 1167 01:19:22.640 --> 01:19:28.600 believe that it's kind of like with primates. Right, So 1168 01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:32.960 the female gorilla will take care of a human baby 1169 01:19:33.319 --> 01:19:37.239 or other types of young, right. They don't see it 1170 01:19:37.279 --> 01:19:44.640 as a threat. They see it, you know, they're drawn 1171 01:19:44.720 --> 01:19:47.279 to the cooing and the laughter and the stuff like that. 1172 01:19:47.960 --> 01:19:52.239 They're drawn to that out of interest. And then there 1173 01:19:52.279 --> 01:19:57.439 could also be it's an easier food source, right, But 1174 01:19:57.520 --> 01:19:59.960 I don't think that's there. I don't think that's really 1175 01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:06.800 the reason. But where I'm at now, I don't differentiate bigfoot, 1176 01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:10.640 UFOs and ghosts anymore. It's just all what I call 1177 01:20:10.760 --> 01:20:18.239 the phenomena, right, And so it's also the same thing 1178 01:20:18.319 --> 01:20:22.840 with like ghosts and children. Children can see the ghosts. 1179 01:20:23.640 --> 01:20:26.239 That's that's a belief of mine as well. 1180 01:20:27.079 --> 01:20:30.760

You know, the UFOs they tend to grab these people 1181 01:20:31.039 --> 01:20:36.479 starting out when they're young, you know, so when you 1182 01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:38.920 look at similarities and those things like that, I think 1183 01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:43.640 you'd be foolish to not at least spin the wheels on. 1184 01:20:44.279 --> 01:20:47.800 Is it just something that's it's something to do with children. 1185 01:20:47.840 --> 01:20:50.119 Maybe it's something to do with the mind at that 1186 01:20:50.199 --> 01:20:54.359 age that draws this phenomenon. Oh no, there's so many, 1187 01:20:54.760 --> 01:20:56.399 so many ways I could answer that question. 1188 01:20:58.760 --> 01:21:01.800 Well, that was a that was a good segue into 1189 01:21:02.199 --> 01:21:13.239 my next which is where Bigfoot activity coincides with other phenomena, 1190 01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:20.319 other anomalies. And I'm pretty sure I know where this 1191 01:21:22.159 --> 01:21:30.319 answer is going to go. But within the community of bigfoottery, 1192 01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:34.399 you're kind of an anomaly in yourself as far as 1193 01:21:35.640 --> 01:21:42.039 being open to all these other things being hand in 1194 01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:48.159 hand with Bigfoot. Right, do you think do you think 1195 01:21:48.199 --> 01:21:58.439 that that belief strengthens or weakens the case for Bigfoot's 1196 01:21:58.479 --> 01:22:01.079 reality with in those communities. 1197 01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:08.920 Unfortunately, it weakens it, okay, because these people can't get 1198 01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:14.560 along that bias I talk about before. People are either 1199 01:22:14.600 --> 01:22:18.680 on the WU train or their primate train. Yeah, right, Well, 1200 01:22:19.880 --> 01:22:23.600 the aliens in the bigfoots those two communities won't share 1201 01:22:24.079 --> 01:22:30.159 stuff either, even though there's clear, clear similarities. Right, So 1202 01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:32.840 you watch the movie The Sleepless Unrest, it's about the 1203 01:22:32.840 --> 01:22:37.439 conjuring house, right. Yeah, they're here in knocks, coming from 1204 01:22:37.479 --> 01:22:44.800 the woodline. Yeah, and they believe it's ghosts, it's a bigfoot. 1205 01:22:45.319 --> 01:22:49.640 But you know, they don't realize and see that we 1206 01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:53.880 don't realize how much these things are similar, you know. 1207 01:22:56.239 --> 01:22:58.600 And I think that kind of travelism, that kind of 1208 01:22:58.640 --> 01:23:02.159 sticking to your craft or to your team, right, I 1209 01:23:02.199 --> 01:23:09.479 think that brings the community down. If the community could 1210 01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:13.479 have an open conversation about it and just be cool, 1211 01:23:17.720 --> 01:23:21.840 I believe it would. I believe the information is all there. 1212 01:23:22.680 --> 01:23:26.920 We could just all look and like not take anything 1213 01:23:26.960 --> 01:23:30.199 off of the table, right, And that's the problem you've 1214 01:23:30.199 --> 01:23:35.279 had BFRO sanitizing reports before they come online, you know, 1215 01:23:35.359 --> 01:23:38.199 and things of this nature, throwing you know, maybe pieces 1216 01:23:38.239 --> 01:23:41.880 to the puzzle away, right. I think we could all 1217 01:23:41.920 --> 01:23:43.800 get on the same page and just talk about it 1218 01:23:44.439 --> 01:23:47.279 and look at it and include it all because hey, 1219 01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:50.439 it may not be paranormal, but but are we hurting 1220 01:23:50.479 --> 01:23:51.720 anything do this? 1221 01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:53.640 Why throw anything out with the bathwater? 1222 01:23:55.000 --> 01:24:02.960 Right, you know, especially when we don't owe anything, right, Like, 1223 01:24:03.319 --> 01:24:07.960 think about what we know with bigfoots. It ain't nothing, right, 1224 01:24:08.279 --> 01:24:12.039 nothing we've learned nothing since the Patterson Gimlin film. 1225 01:24:11.720 --> 01:24:14.680 Other than something leaves tracks in the woods. 1226 01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:18.800 Yeah, at some point you have to take a step 1227 01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:20.600 back and be like, holy shit, why are we trying 1228 01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:21.560 the same stuff? Man? 1229 01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:31.359 What what do you think people underestimate how difficult documentation 1230 01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:34.560 really is? What? What? What do you think you know? 1231 01:24:34.640 --> 01:24:37.680 Like because you have well, where's the body? Oh no, 1232 01:24:38.039 --> 01:24:40.760 the pictures are all blurry, blah blah blah blah blah, 1233 01:24:40.800 --> 01:24:43.000 all the same things you've heard. Why do you think 1234 01:24:43.479 --> 01:24:49.800 people underestimate how difficult it is to actually document. 1235 01:24:50.680 --> 01:24:54.520 Because they've never done it, They've never been in that situation. 1236 01:24:56.760 --> 01:25:01.239 I think that is really it, right, Like my skeptic 1237 01:25:01.319 --> 01:25:03.760 body here. Soon we're gonna go out to the woods, 1238 01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:08.079 and I'm gonna have him even be ready. But his 1239 01:25:08.279 --> 01:25:10.640 phone's got to be in his pocket. He's got to 1240 01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:12.880 reach for it. That he's got to get us a 1241 01:25:12.920 --> 01:25:18.920 clear picture of an animal. Okay, I'm gona take him 1242 01:25:18.920 --> 01:25:20.399 out in the feet time when I know the animals 1243 01:25:20.399 --> 01:25:23.199 are gonna be moving, so we'll see some animals. Give 1244 01:25:23.239 --> 01:25:26.399 me a clear picture. You can know it was a deer, 1245 01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:28.439 but I need to be able to tell it's a deer. 1246 01:25:30.880 --> 01:25:35.039 It's hard, especially if you chase that or something, or 1247 01:25:35.079 --> 01:25:38.439 you're scared and your hands are shaking. People haven't been 1248 01:25:38.439 -->

01:25:40.520 in that, and that's why they overlook that. Well, everybody's 1249 01:25:40.520 --> 01:25:43.119 got phones, and yeah, everybody does got phones. First of all, 1250 01:25:43.119 --> 01:25:45.920 are you gonna think about your phone? Because I didn't. 1251 01:25:46.439 --> 01:25:49.199 Well that the other night when you and I were 1252 01:25:49.960 --> 01:25:54.840 doing the show for you, and I told you about 1253 01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:57.920 the the guy that was just a few miles north 1254 01:25:57.960 --> 01:26:02.000 of me who had the had one walk out on 1255 01:26:02.159 --> 01:26:07.560 opening day. When it walked out in front of him, 1256 01:26:08.359 --> 01:26:12.000 he literally had his phone in his hand because he 1257 01:26:12.039 --> 01:26:16.600 had just gotten off the phone with his h with 1258 01:26:16.720 --> 01:26:17.800 his brother in law. 1259 01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:21.199 Where it didn't even think about it. 1260 01:26:21.359 --> 01:26:25.680 Never thought about it. Yeah, had it in his hand. Yeah, 1261 01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:27.840 never never thought about taking a picture. 1262 01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:31.319 I interviewed a guy for Journey to Believe. He said 1263 01:26:31.359 --> 01:26:33.119 his phone was sitting right there and a cup holder 1264 01:26:34.159 --> 01:26:36.359 and he's watching his headlights and he said he never 1265 01:26:36.399 --> 01:26:38.159 thought to reach down. He said, that's a one thing 1266 01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:40.800 he regrets. He said, I just reach down and take 1267 01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:44.119 a picture. But he said he did. It didn't even 1268 01:26:44.199 --> 01:26:47.960 cross his mind. And now what is that about? Yeah, 1269 01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:49.920 what is that about? Because if we see a car 1270 01:26:49.960 --> 01:26:51.720 wreck or a fight or something like that, the first 1271 01:26:51.720 --> 01:26:57.560 thing we go for is our phones. But we still, 1272 01:26:58.399 --> 01:27:01.039 even though now we're programmed for World Star and all 1273 01:27:01.039 --> 01:27:05.600 that other crap online, we still can't put it together 1274 01:27:05.760 --> 01:27:11.560 to take the picture. It's like you lose your you 1275 01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:17.199 lose your sense, you know, you usually everything gets super 1276 01:27:17.239 --> 01:27:23.000 ass quiet. It's weird. It's a paradigm shift. You're not 1277 01:27:23.039 --> 01:27:27.279 supposed to be seeing something, you're seeing it, and you're 1278 01:27:27.439 --> 01:27:30.079 not the size of the thing I was looking at. 1279 01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:31.840 The last thing I was going to think about was 1280 01:27:31.880 --> 01:27:32.680 my phone. 1281 01:27:35.880 --> 01:27:39.399 So in your witness reports that you've taken throughout the 1282 01:27:39.439 --> 01:27:48.720 course of your investigations, your research, all of that, witnesses 1283 01:27:48.840 --> 01:28:07.199 reporting unparalleled fear, near paralysis,

altered states of their mind, 1284 01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:11.680 almost being in a different place, very similar to what 1285 01:28:11.720 --> 01:28:16.279 you're talking about right now. How how prevalent are those 1286 01:28:16.479 --> 01:28:22.760 types of communication between you and the person you're getting 1287 01:28:22.800 --> 01:28:27.840 their story from. 1288 01:28:25.960 --> 01:28:30.000 Unless they're in their car, and even sometimes when they're 1289 01:28:30.039 --> 01:28:34.640 in their car. Everybody's scared to death. I mean sometimes 1290 01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:37.680 I've had a few few things where people are like, oh, 1291 01:28:37.760 --> 01:28:39.680 he was so beautiful and so sweet and stuff, And 1292 01:28:39.680 --> 01:28:44.720 I think these people are lying through the teeth the 1293 01:28:44.800 --> 01:28:48.800 forest giants. Okay, buddy, you go ahead and pet that 1294 01:28:48.840 --> 01:28:51.039 big lizard in the river right there too. It's just 1295 01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:54.800 a big old lady. It's a twelve foot lizard. 1296 01:28:55.640 --> 01:28:57.079 Pay no attention to the teeth. 1297 01:28:58.039 --> 01:29:02.119 Yeah, that's it. That's it. And that's what I think 1298 01:29:02.159 --> 01:29:04.399 about that. I mean because most of the people I 1299 01:29:04.520 --> 01:29:10.319 talk to have some physical response when bringing it up, 1300 01:29:10.640 --> 01:29:14.880 whether it's goosebumps or like a problem speaking or crying. 1301 01:29:16.279 --> 01:29:17.760 You can see it on their face. You can see 1302 01:29:17.880 --> 01:29:19.960 on the people that actually have seen the damn thing. 1303 01:29:20.119 --> 01:29:22.039 You can see it on their face. And you can't 1304 01:29:22.079 --> 01:29:29.000 fake that shit. Yeah, these people can't. Leonardo DiCaprio could. 1305 01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:33.359 But homeboy from soap Choppy, who grunts bait for a living, 1306 01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:38.680 he ain't doing that, you know what I mean. 1307 01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:49.760 Last question, aggressive or non aggressive behavior? What's more prevalent. 1308 01:29:51.960 --> 01:29:59.880 In Florida is aggressive, Okay, And I almost think that's 1309 01:29:59.880 --> 01:30:06.319 a psychological issue, I really do. I think it's the 1310 01:30:06.399 --> 01:30:10.479 people here are more apt to carry guns and consider 1311 01:30:10.960 --> 01:30:14.760 everything is a threat. It's hotter. It's hotter here. In 1312 01:30:14.800 --> 01:30:18.399 our hotter months, homicide and violent crime goes through the roof. 1313 01:30:18.520 --> 01:30:23.039 It's a damn like. It's a pattern. During the summer 1314 01:30:23.079 --> 01:30:27.520 months are violent crime and shit spikes every year. SWAT 1315 01:30:27.560 --> 01:30:30.039 team knows they got three months they got to work 1316 01:30:30.079 --> 01:30:32.359 every year the rest of it. They ain't never gonna 1317 01:30:32.359 --> 01:30:36.159 talk to each other. They're just gonna train, you know. 1318 01:30:36.439 --> 01:30:40.880 And I think the heat along with just that whole 1319 01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:44.680 attitude of the South. You trespass on my land, you're 1320 01:30:44.680 --> 01:30:47.760 gonna get shot. So everything's a threat right now. You 1321 01:30:47.840 --> 01:30:52.079 go out west, and this is where you have the 1322 01:30:52.199 --> 01:30:57.279 more laid back mushroom weave hippie, you know, and so 1323 01:30:57.479 --> 01:31:04.920 therefore you have a piece more peaceful sasquatch. I think 1324 01:31:04.960 --> 01:31:11.600 the truth lies somewhere in between to where it's you know, 1325 01:31:11.880 --> 01:31:14.560 it's you know, how you catching that Bigfoot at that time? 1326 01:31:14.640 --> 01:31:19.319 You know that bigfoot piste off about something, you know, 1327 01:31:19.359 --> 01:31:21.680 they get mad about things. Is that bigfoot of the 1328 01:31:21.720 --> 01:31:25.399 one you got crazy? Is this a bipolar bigfoot right here? 1329 01:31:25.560 --> 01:31:29.319 Is this this is a bigfoot territorial, you know? Or 1330 01:31:29.399 --> 01:31:30.319 it's babies near? 1331 01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:30.960 Yeah. 1332 01:31:31.680 --> 01:31:34.199 I think it just depends on your situation, you know 1333 01:31:34.279 --> 01:31:37.239 how you're catching it at that moment, because nine times 1334 01:31:37.239 --> 01:31:39.319 out of ten, we know they're gonna leave and it's 1335 01:31:39.399 --> 01:31:44.720 gonna walk off. But like there's those other encounters, like 1336 01:31:44.760 --> 01:31:47.680 a guy I talked to you the other night, brother, 1337 01:31:49.239 --> 01:31:53.319 They it would not be safe to be around these 1338 01:31:53.359 --> 01:31:56.119 things if we if we had them in a place 1339 01:31:56.199 --> 01:31:58.399 like if you, oh, hey, I bought two bigfoot and 1340 01:31:58.399 --> 01:32:00.600 brought raised them up on my property. No, it wouldn't 1341 01:32:00.600 --> 01:32:05.640 be safe to be around these things. There's just one one, 1342 01:32:07.119 --> 01:32:09.920 one little nip, you know what I mean. The dog 1343 01:32:09.920 --> 01:32:12.199 could take a nip at your hand. It wasn't that 1344 01:32:12.239 --> 01:32:14.760 big a deal. He knew he messed up, but he 1345 01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:19.800 steal true blood and that's also a chihuala right at 1346 01:32:19.840 --> 01:32:24.279 eight hundred pounds. He didn't mean to break my damn 1347 01:32:24.399 --> 01:32:28.319 jaw off of my skull. He just he just backhanded 1348 01:32:28.359 --> 01:32:32.479 me real quick, you know what I mean. He didn't 1349 01:32:32.520 --> 01:32:35.199 mean to break my collar bone when he was pressing 1350 01:32:35.239 --> 01:32:45.039 my face into the ground. You know, I think that 1351 01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:47.359 I think that's I think that's it, you know you 1352 01:32:47.920 --> 01:32:52.479 basically I believe that it is somewhere in between. But 1353

01:32:53.760 --> 01:32:57.239 most of the reports, especially from down here, are lean 1354 01:32:57.319 --> 01:33:00.800 towards the aggressive side, unless they're from a car right 1355 01:33:00.920 --> 01:33:03.079 and it's just crossing the road. But the ones where 1356 01:33:05.079 --> 01:33:07.199 you know, because there's like twenty miles from my house. 1357 01:33:07.199 --> 01:33:09.520 There was this girl who got grabbed on the porch, 1358 01:33:09.560 --> 01:33:12.239 on her back porch by one and like the law 1359 01:33:12.319 --> 01:33:14.199 come out and the newspaper come out, and they took 1360 01:33:14.239 --> 01:33:16.039 pictures of her and shit, because she was like all 1361 01:33:16.079 --> 01:33:20.000 scratched up and shit. They said it was a little one, 1362 01:33:20.399 --> 01:33:23.560 a little monkey looking thing they said, grabbed her and 1363 01:33:23.680 --> 01:33:26.359 was like trying to pull her through the railing. So 1364 01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:28.279 you don't you don't never know. 1365 01:33:28.840 --> 01:33:33.119 So like in that instance, as far as far as 1366 01:33:33.279 --> 01:33:42.439 the media coverage, with the newspaper coverage whatever, is it 1367 01:33:42.520 --> 01:33:45.079 as tongue in cheek as we expect anywhere else. 1368 01:33:47.520 --> 01:33:52.000 No, No, especially in this encounter because the law was 1369 01:33:52.079 --> 01:34:01.520 involved on it. They assumed escape primate wanting to escape primate. 1370 01:34:01.600 --> 01:34:06.640 Though who in the area has fucking chimpanzees did because 1371 01:34:06.640 --> 01:34:10.479 that's what she described, something a lot like a chimpanzee, 1372 01:34:10.760 --> 01:34:14.199 which would makes sense for a juvenile big foot as well. Yeah, 1373 01:34:15.079 --> 01:34:16.960 it's the only thing that people that don't believe you 1374 01:34:17.000 --> 01:34:20.920 have to go off of. You know. They were just 1375 01:34:20.920 --> 01:34:23.119 sitting on the back porch, Mom was sitting right there, 1376 01:34:23.159 --> 01:34:25.039 and the damn thing they didn't even know it. It 1377 01:34:25.079 --> 01:34:26.720 came up to the house because they lived in this 1378 01:34:26.840 --> 01:34:29.720 trailer that was like in the woods, you know, and 1379 01:34:29.800 --> 01:34:32.880 the woods were about ten yards or so from the 1380 01:34:32.920 --> 01:34:35.880 back deck. They didn't need to know the thing. It 1381 01:34:35.920 --> 01:34:39.319 came up and like the decks sat up, so they 1382 01:34:39.319 --> 01:34:42.479 were probably five feet off the ground or something, and 1383 01:34:43.960 --> 01:34:47.560 it reached through the through the like the slats in 1384 01:34:47.640 --> 01:34:50.520 the railings, I guess, you know, because it's like you 1385 01:34:50.640 --> 01:34:52.119 got the top railing, but then you got the little 1386 01:34:52.119 --> 01:34:54.720 poles that go down, you know what I mean, And 1387 01:34:54.760 --> 01:34:57.079 it just reached in between those and grabbed the girl 1388 01:34:57.119 --> 01:35:01.239 by the dress and snatched her to the through the 1389 01:35:01.319 --> 01:35:04.880 poles and was like trying to pull her through for 1390 01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:07.640 no reason. Maybe you know. Damn thing was there and 1391 01:35:07.680 --> 01:35:10.920 they didn't get a good look at it. Mom got 1392 01:35:11.039 --> 01:35:13.880 up obviously, you know, to help her child, and then 1393 01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:16.359 was like looking over and screaming at it and like 1394 01:35:16.399 --> 01:35:18.560 slapping at it, and it run off, but scratch the 1395 01:35:18.600 --> 01:35:21.720 shit out and drew blood. It scared her to have 1396 01:35:21.840 --> 01:35:29.279 to death. They assumed some type of escape primate and 1397 01:35:29.319 --> 01:35:33.079 they talked about it as such. You know, there was 1398 01:35:33.119 --> 01:35:36.359 another lady on Egglin Air Force Base that got attacked 1399 01:35:39.359 --> 01:35:43.279 by what she said was like a five foot dog 1400 01:35:43.399 --> 01:35:48.760 looking thing, right, reddish brown. We have nothing in the 1401 01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:55.840 wild here, a reddish brown nothing, not one thing. But 1402 01:35:55.960 --> 01:35:57.840 she said it hit her so quick she couldn't tell 1403 01:35:57.840 --> 01:36:01.079 what it was. And so there looking for this mystery 1404 01:36:01.079 --> 01:36:03.640 animal that attack this lady. And that's how the news 1405 01:36:03.680 --> 01:36:07.159 reports it, and they do DNA testing because they like, yeah, 1406 01:36:07.560 --> 01:36:12.479 it left saliva and shit all over, and then you 1407 01:36:12.560 --> 01:36:15.479 just never hear about it again. They talk about it, 1408 01:36:15.520 --> 01:36:18.359 and then like all her clothes and everything been sent off. 1409 01:36:18.399 --> 01:36:23.000 She was in fucking ICU. This single has killed her 1410 01:36:24.680 --> 01:36:28.720 and test results sent off and I ain't never heard 1411 01:36:28.720 --> 01:36:31.520 a word back in fw C will not answer me 1412 01:36:32.640 --> 01:36:39.399 on that particular question. And that's what happens. You know. 1413 01:36:39.560 --> 01:36:42.399 They don't they don't. They don't always go tongue in cheek. 1414 01:36:42.399 --> 01:36:44.399 They'll go tongue in cheek when they're deciding that when 1415 01:36:44.479 --> 01:36:48.239 somebody gets touched around here, something like that happens. They 1416 01:36:48.279 --> 01:36:52.600 go to escape primates and they have this whole hoax 1417 01:36:53.279 --> 01:37:01.479 about primates escaping zoos during Hurricane Andrew. Yeah, Hurricane Andrew 1418 01:37:01.479 --> 01:37:06.960 didn't hit up here like it did Miami, so that 1419 01:37:07.079 --> 01:37:11.239 don't explain escape primate shouldn't have done made it ten 1420 01:37:11.279 --> 01:37:13.960 hours up the road because it's ten hours from my 1421 01:37:14.000

--> 01:37:17.800 house in Miami to the glades. 1422 01:37:18.720 --> 01:37:20.880 Yeah, that's a good you know, that's a good that's 1423 01:37:20.880 --> 01:37:21.479 a good trick. 1424 01:37:22.560 --> 01:37:25.399 Yeah, so far as not a small state. I mean, 1425 01:37:25.439 --> 01:37:28.239 it looks skinny and whatever, but it's it's very long. 1426 01:37:28.600 --> 01:37:31.000 It's a day's drive from one end to the other. 1427 01:37:31.119 --> 01:37:37.239 But uh, you you can't expect no primate to travel 1428 01:37:37.279 --> 01:37:40.239 that far in that short amount of time to now 1429 01:37:40.319 --> 01:37:43.760 populate up here to explain away all the Bigfoot sightings 1430 01:37:43.760 --> 01:37:46.800 when you only had how many primates escaped anyways that 1431 01:37:46.840 --> 01:37:49.840 y'all didn't catch immediately because you called a lot of them, 1432 01:37:51.520 --> 01:37:55.319 you know, So who knows? 1433 01:37:55.439 --> 01:38:05.520 Man, interesting ladies and gentlemen. Stacy Brown Jr. Bigfoot Stacy 1434 01:38:06.479 --> 01:38:12.159 on All the Socials, host of the The Bigfoot Underground 1435 01:38:12.199 --> 01:38:17.560 on YouTube. Stacy, thank you so much for being with us. 1436 01:38:17.760 --> 01:38:23.640 Let everybody know where they can find your stuff, how 1437 01:38:23.640 --> 01:38:25.119 they can get a hold of you if they want 1438 01:38:25.159 --> 01:38:29.880 to submit a report any of any of your information 1439 01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:31.319 that you want to get out there. 1440 01:38:32.319 --> 01:38:36.119 Yeah. Yeah, So the podcast right now is in the 1441 01:38:36.239 --> 01:38:38.960 process of being put on Apple and Spotify, But right 1442 01:38:38.960 --> 01:38:43.479 now you can find it on YouTube Bigfoot Stacy, as 1443 01:38:43.520 --> 01:38:48.159 you said, the Bigfoot Underground. And if you have a 1444 01:38:48.199 --> 01:38:50.800 story and you'd like to be on the show, tell 1445 01:38:50.840 --> 01:38:55.600 your story. Because the thing about everybody's stories, like with yours, Eric, Yeah, 1446 01:38:55.920 --> 01:39:00.479 I'm able to put yours in the Dewey Lake, right, 1447 01:39:00.560 --> 01:39:02.560 I tell the history about it, But now I have 1448 01:39:02.640 --> 01:39:05.800 a local modern story that maybe that creature still exists 1449 01:39:06.439 --> 01:39:10.000 in the nearby area, you know. And most people wherever 1450 01:39:10.039 --> 01:39:15.279 they're at, whether it's Arkansas or Indiana, wherever, there's usually 1451 01:39:15.359 --> 01:39:19.960 a historical sighting not far from you, you know, and 1452 01:39:20.039 --> 01:39:23.880 I can wrap those into that. So if anybody wants 1453 01:39:23.880 --> 01:39:29.039 to share their story Bigfoot Stacey one three at gmail 1454 01:39:29.119 --> 01:39:32.039 dot com, just shoot me a message or you can 1455 01:39:32.199 --> 01:39:34.880 comment on one of my videos on YouTube and I'll 1456 01:39:35.840 --> 01:39:39.039 reach out to you immediately pretty quick about answering those. 1457 01:39:39.279 --> 01:39:44.199 So but that's it, man, and I appreciate you time 1458 01:39:44.239 --> 01:39:47.359 tonight let me come on here and ramble for a 1459 01:39:47.359 --> 01:39:48.039 few hours. 1460 01:39:48.119 --> 01:39:52.720 I always love talking to you, man. Yeah, brother, you 1461 01:39:52.880 --> 01:39:57.479 are one of a kind, and I mean that in 1462 01:39:57.479 --> 01:40:00.439 a good way. I've always enjoyed it, all of our 1463 01:40:00.479 --> 01:40:04.520 interactions together. I enjoyed you up here when you spoke 1464 01:40:04.520 --> 01:40:09.520 at big Foot and Bruise for me and you're all of. 1465 01:40:09.479 --> 01:40:14.399 A dude, I appreciate it, buddy. Yeah man, we one 1466 01:40:14.399 --> 01:40:15.960 of these days got to hook up again. 1467 01:40:17.399 --> 01:40:21.880 We definitely do all right, my friend, Until next time, 1468 01:40:23.600 --> 01:40:24.000 good night,