Full Transcript for Richard Doty - Disinformation deceiver

right into it tonight. This is fair use. 73 00:06:06.029 --> 00:06:08.250 We're educating the public. We're going to be critiquing the 74 00:06:08.290 --> 00:06:11.389 video that we are sharing. I'm offering commentary. My live 75 00:06:11.430 --> 00:06:15.550 chat is discussing the video as it's playing. I'll be 76 00:06:15.569 --> 00:06:19.579 sharing their comments live on the screen, making it further transformative. 77 00:06:19.620 --> 00:06:24.879 This is fair use and allowable by law. One second. 78 00:06:25.420 --> 00:06:27.720 Tell me more about the blue little dot. I don't 79 00:06:27.740 --> 00:06:29.990 know what you guys are talking about in the live chat. 80 00:06:34.870 --> 00:06:38.009 this is the truest show on YouTube says Dr. Gusica. Well, 81 00:06:38.069 --> 00:06:42.589 thank you for that. I'm happy that you, uh, think that, um, 82 00:06:42.970 --> 00:06:45.149 we pride ourselves kind of comes with the theme of 83 00:06:45.189 --> 00:06:47.540 the show truth seekers. I wouldn't do very well if 84 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:51.240 I just started lying to the audience constantly. So we're 85 00:06:51.259 --> 00:06:53.600 going to get right into the video. And of course 86 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:59.420 it is, uh, everybody's favorite, uh, YouTube circle jerker, Chris 87 00:06:59.540 --> 00:07:04.610 Ramsey that is interviewing him. And, uh, I don't know 88 00:07:04.629 --> 00:07:07.060 what to say about that guy's show. It's basically like, 89 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:10.860 let's just put the most sensational bullshit that we can 90 00:07:10.899 --> 00:07:14.439 possibly put out on YouTube to make money. That's basically 91 00:07:14.500 --> 00:07:20.910 the gist of that guy's whole shtick and show. But 92 00:07:20.930 --> 00:07:25.149 it appears to work very well for him. So let's 93 00:07:25.740 --> 00:07:29.290 share my screen. And by the way, there have been 94 00:07:29.329 --> 00:07:32.250 several people asking me for an update on the Corey 95 00:07:32.290 --> 00:07:37.290 Goode situation and the depositions. And here's what I can say. 96 00:07:37.310 --> 00:07:40.850 I can't say anything about that because it's a legal situation. 97 00:07:41.870 --> 00:07:44.910 But I will be able to talk about it probably, 98 00:07:45.689 --> 00:07:50.120 if not after Friday. Does anybody know, does YouTube count 99 00:07:50.180 --> 00:07:53.319 Jewish holidays as a business day? Because if so, then 100 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:57.439 the counter expires on Friday. But if they don't, Then 101 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:03.000 the counter expires, I guess, on Monday on the copyright 102 00:08:03.259 --> 00:08:09.980 takedown situation. And then once that is resolved, I will 103 00:08:10.019 --> 00:08:13.959 be able to talk more about it. Doty's story is 104 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:20.639 very interesting, says South Toast. Yeah, listen, despite being a 105 00:08:20.740 --> 00:08:25.889 known paid admitted government disinformation agent, I still think

his 106 00:08:25.910 --> 00:08:29.209 story is interesting. And by the way, in full disclosure, 107 00:08:29.230 --> 00:08:32.330 pardon the pun, I interviewed him myself, but I had 108 00:08:32.350 --> 00:08:36.610 a very specific reason. I had discovered that Richard Doty's 109 00:08:36.809 --> 00:08:41.029 uncle worked on Project Blue Book. His father's brother, I believe, 110 00:08:41.190 --> 00:08:45.350 worked on Project Blue Book, which was the government's UFO 111 00:08:45.389 --> 00:08:49.529 program back in the day. And then I discovered that 112 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:54.269 Richard Doty's father also had some involvement around UFOs for 113 00:08:54.289 --> 00:08:59.129 the United States government. So I thought, this is pretty interesting. 114 00:09:00.029 --> 00:09:03.309 Why is Richard Doty and his family, including his uncle 115 00:09:03.330 --> 00:09:06.870 and his brother, so steeped in UFOs, working on UFOs 116 00:09:06.909 --> 00:09:10.220 for the government or around UFOs for the government? I 117 00:09:10.259 --> 00:09:12.679 just found it interesting. And one of the reasons I 118 00:09:12.740 --> 00:09:14.919 wanted to interview him is to check with him to 119 00:09:15.419 --> 00:09:18.000 see if the research that I had done and the 120 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:21.200 information that I had uncovered about his family's involvement in 121 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:24.279 the UFO file was accurate. And he confirmed to me 122 00:09:24.350 --> 00:09:27.009 that it was, that is both his father and his 123 00:09:27.090 --> 00:09:31.350 uncle both worked on or with or around UFOs for 124 00:09:31.370 --> 00:09:34.909 the United States government, which I find kind of strange. 125 00:09:35.029 --> 00:09:38.690 Why is this man's entire family involved? Working for the 126 00:09:38.730 --> 00:09:43.320 government around UFOs. And I have to say that the 127 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:47.899 first hour is very boring. I think around 1.12 is 128 00:09:47.940 --> 00:09:51.259 when it starts getting interesting. So this is a four-hour interview. 129 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:54.049 We're going to use an awful lot of skip juice today. 130 00:09:54.070 --> 00:09:58.269 And I also just want to mention one of the 131 00:09:58.309 --> 00:10:04.679 other reasons that I am interested. in Richard Doty, despite not, 132 00:10:04.820 --> 00:10:08.840 you can't know what is true. You're talking to a 133 00:10:09.299 --> 00:10:14.460 known paid government disinformation agent. And when I interviewed him, 134 00:10:14.580 --> 00:10:17.039 one of the things that I walked away thinking is 135 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:23.789 that Richard Doty loves to fuck with UFO celebrities. He 136 00:10:23.850 --> 00:10:28.629 talked to me about his involvement with Linda Moulton Howe. 137 00:10:28.830 --> 00:10:32.590 And he was like a giddy school child. He was 138 00:10:32.950 --> 00:10:35.210 so excited to tell me all about how he kept 139 00:10:35.429 --> 00:10:39.740 owning

Linda Moulton Howe because he would feed Linda Moulton 140 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:42.899 Howe the most ridiculous shit that he could think of 141 00:10:42.980 --> 00:10:44.700 to see if she would run with it as a 142 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:47.179 real story. And each and every time he did that 143 00:10:47.220 --> 00:10:49.919 to Linda Moulton Howe, She ran with what he fed 144 00:10:49.980 --> 00:10:53.000 her with sock puppet accounts and things like that and 145 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:57.330 fake emails. She ran with every story that he fed her. 146 00:10:58.450 --> 00:11:01.590 And I got the sense that he's sort of delighted 147 00:11:01.929 --> 00:11:06.090 in owning with and messing with the UFO celebrities. And 148 00:11:06.110 --> 00:11:08.710 there appeared to be a tinge of jealousy. He even 149 00:11:08.750 --> 00:11:12.509 talked about it in the interview with me. He was 150 00:11:12.590 --> 00:11:15.639 very angry at that time, this was several years ago, 151 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:21.269 that he wasn't, like more celebrated or accepted or welcomed 152 00:11:21.350 --> 00:11:23.690 into the UFO community because he claims that he has 153 00:11:23.789 --> 00:11:27.200 real firsthand knowledge about what the government really knows about UFOs. 154 00:11:28.139 --> 00:11:34.000 So it's interesting that Richard Doty seems to just really 155 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:38.480 enjoy messing with UFO celebrities and feeding them fake stories. 156 00:11:39.220 --> 00:11:41.960 And then it should also be noted that Richard Doty 157 00:11:42.019 --> 00:11:47.009 has been at the epicenter of many, many, famous UFO stories, 158 00:11:47.169 --> 00:11:50.549 the MJ-12 documents. Many people believe that he is the 159 00:11:50.629 --> 00:11:54.889 original author of the MJ-12 documents. I believe that he 160 00:11:54.980 --> 00:11:57.759 is the original author of the MJ-12 documents. And if 161 00:11:57.779 --> 00:12:01.519 you're not familiar with the documents, it's basically, you know, 162 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:05.720 Jamie Chandra Ray was sent pictures of these top secret 163 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:10.190 documents that basically confirm the that Roswell was real and 164 00:12:10.210 --> 00:12:13.929 the government recovered alien bodies and flying saucers and are 165 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:17.220 back engineering them. And there was this group created called 166 00:12:17.299 --> 00:12:21.179 majestic 12 to oversee and keep the secret of the 167 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:28.049 alien technology. Basically those documents, while 100% confirmed to be 168 00:12:28.330 --> 00:12:32.190 a hundred percent hoax and fake, they confirmed everything that 169 00:12:32.289 --> 00:12:35.730 UFO true believers wanted to be sure of. So, uh, 170 00:12:36.779 --> 00:12:40.570 Many people, including myself, there's ample and supportive evidence that 171 00:12:40.629 --> 00:12:44.970 Richard Doty is the original author of the MJ-12 documents. 172 00:12:45.909 --> 00:12:50.139 I believe that he is. And there is 100% proof 173 00:12:50.460 --> 00:12:54.039 that Richard Doty was the author of the Serpo story. 174 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:57.000 And for those that don't know, that was a big 175 00:12:57.139 --> 00:13:01.330 UFO story for a time about an exchange program between 176 00:13:01.470 --> 00:13:04.700 Earth and an alien race. where we let the aliens 177 00:13:04.779 --> 00:13:07.419 come here and see Earth, and then they took some 178 00:13:07.470 --> 00:13:11.070 humans back to Serpo to see their home world. It's 179 00:13:11.110 --> 00:13:16.769 basically the ending story of Close Encounters, right? And it 180 00:13:16.850 --> 00:13:21.509 was revealed that the source of the documents and that 181 00:13:21.610 --> 00:13:25.509 entire story was Richard Doty's IP number. He sent it 182 00:13:25.590 --> 00:13:30.389 from his home computer. He has for years now steadfastly 183 00:13:30.470 --> 00:13:34.549 denied that he sent those. But I have a background 184 00:13:34.570 --> 00:13:37.190 in computer science. I looked at the evidence and he 185 00:13:37.769 --> 00:13:41.960 indeed got busted. Sending emails from like a SOC email 186 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:47.340 account from his own home personal computer. People were able 187 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:51.909 to match his IP from his real email address to 188 00:13:51.929 --> 00:13:55.409 the IP of this fake email address that was sending 189 00:13:55.450 --> 00:14:00.200 these so-called Serpo files. So there's just and then the 190 00:14:00.450 --> 00:14:04.789 UFO cover up live, the aviary, Paul Benowitz. He has 191 00:14:04.889 --> 00:14:09.950 been deeply involved in the world of UFOs for decades now. 192 00:14:10.750 --> 00:14:13.330 So that's why he's still interesting to me, even though 193 00:14:13.470 --> 00:14:16.210 you can't trust anything that he says to be truthful, 194 00:14:16.429 --> 00:14:19.779 especially when he starts talking about reptilian aliens controlling the world. 195 00:14:19.860 --> 00:14:22.100 And he knows for sure because he worked for the government. 196 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:26.500 Still an interesting character. And then there's the movie Mirage Men, 197 00:14:26.700 --> 00:14:29.440 which he was famously in. One of the best movies 198 00:14:29.500 --> 00:14:34.159 on government disinformation and UFOs, the movie Mirage Men, a documentary. 199 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:37.250 Tales of the Sonic Voyage is here with one for 200 00:14:37.269 --> 00:14:40.049 the goal. Says, let's get the momentum rolling. Steven really, 201 00:14:40.110 --> 00:14:43.149 really needs that support. Yes, I need that money. I really, 202 00:14:43.190 --> 00:14:46.350 really do. I need that money to pay my taxes, 203 00:14:46.509 --> 00:14:48.889 to pay my bills. I need that money because I've 204 00:14:48.909 --> 00:14:52.450 got a day off coming. I got a day off coming, guys, 205 00:14:52.570 --> 00:14:57.389 and I cannot, I will not be forced

to eat 206 00:14:57.409 --> 00:15:00.850 a lunch meat sandwich on my weekend off. But thank you, 207 00:15:00.889 --> 00:15:04.620 Tales of the Sonic Voyage, for your kindness, generosity, and support. 208 00:15:04.889 --> 00:15:07.299 And we've got Trolly Troll Troll with another one for 209 00:15:07.340 --> 00:15:11.179 the goal. I went to high school in ABO during 210 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:13.220 the 70s, and there was two kids named Dirty at 211 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:15.679 my school, and they looked like military. Maybe they were 212 00:15:15.740 --> 00:15:19.230 Richard's nephews. I think he has children, too. Could have 213 00:15:19.250 --> 00:15:22.720 been his children. I don't know. But thank you, Trolly 214 00:15:22.750 --> 00:15:26.600 Troll Troll, our oldest and closest supporter for your kindness, generosity, 215 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:30.299 and big, big support of the show. And we've got Dr. 216 00:15:30.419 --> 00:15:35.360 Gusica giving $ 2 Canadian saying, everybody give. Yeah. Well, I 217 00:15:35.379 --> 00:15:40.830 appreciate that everybody is encouraging others to be generous. Thank you, Dr. Gusica. 218 00:15:41.370 --> 00:15:44.250 Thank you for your kindness, generosity, support, and kind comments 219 00:15:44.309 --> 00:15:48.070 about the show. We're going to get started. on this 220 00:15:48.110 --> 00:15:53.850 video because I don't know how it's like there's three 221 00:15:53.889 --> 00:15:57.370 hours of it left even if we skip the first 222 00:15:57.450 --> 00:16:01.580 hour first hour he was basically giving his whole history 223 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:03.879 how he got into the Air Force if you're curious 224 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:06.799 I will put the description I will put the link 225 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:08.820 to this video in the description. 226 00:16:08.460 --> 00:16:12.519 Of our video he went right up and said listen 227 00:16:14.009 --> 00:16:16.169 this is it we can't do anything more whatever they 228 00:16:16.190 --> 00:16:19.039 do they're on their own And like I said, we 229 00:16:19.080 --> 00:16:20.240 didn't always win. 230 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:25.720 Yeah, but I mean, just even the notion of being 231 00:16:25.860 --> 00:16:31.070 fed misinformation or being, you know, having that information injected 232 00:16:31.230 --> 00:16:33.950 into a group. And then, you know, someone like Bill 233 00:16:33.970 --> 00:16:36.830 Moore in 89 at that famous MUFON. 234 00:16:37.570 --> 00:16:41.649 Yeah, so Richard Dirty was one of the people that 235 00:16:41.690 --> 00:16:43.610 was feeding Bill Moore fake information. 236 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:47.320 Symposium where he confessed to, you know, being part of that. 237 00:16:47.899 --> 00:16:55.679 I mean, that itself tarnishes not only his reputation, but 238 00:16:55.759 --> 00:17:01.970 also the organization's reputation. And we don't know what information 239 00:17:02.649 --> 00:17:05.750 is to be believed from that point on. So I 240 00:17:06.009 --> 00:17:11.930 would say that you did succeed. Although perhaps those people 241 00:17:12.269 --> 00:17:14.730 believed or didn't believe or refused to believe what you 242 00:17:14.769 --> 00:17:17.710 were telling them, I think... At the end of the day. 243 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:21.000 Yeah, so just for anybody that's not following, Richard Doty 244 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:27.119 famously was feeding disinformation to members of the UFO community 245 00:17:27.740 --> 00:17:31.339 for whatever purpose, I don't know. And he was also 246 00:17:32.019 --> 00:17:36.980 having people like Bill Moore report back to him with 247 00:17:37.140 --> 00:17:40.519 whatever people in the UFO community were focused on or 248 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:45.130 talking about. So it's interesting that the government has actively 249 00:17:45.210 --> 00:17:51.420 basically manipulated, both manipulated and spied on the UFO community. 250 00:17:51.589 --> 00:17:54.750 This is a verifiable fact. They would send people to 251 00:17:54.849 --> 00:17:55.789 UFO conventions. 252 00:17:55.890 --> 00:17:59.069 Today, the damage is done because, as you know, in counterintelligence, 253 00:17:59.089 --> 00:18:02.950 I'm sure you don't have to prove something. You just 254 00:18:02.990 --> 00:18:06.279 have to say it enough times and then people repeat it. 255 00:18:09.150 --> 00:18:11.809 In terms of you know, let's look at, let's take 256 00:18:11.849 --> 00:18:13.470 a look at the eighties because there's a lot of 257 00:18:13.509 --> 00:18:16.289 stuff that came out in terms of like declassified or 258 00:18:16.369 --> 00:18:22.410 classified document leaks. Um, namely the majestic 12 stuff. Um, 259 00:18:22.470 --> 00:18:24.490 a lot of the stuff that came, you know, to 260 00:18:24.549 --> 00:18:28.650 Jamie Shandera and to, you know, um, I mean, to 261 00:18:28.670 --> 00:18:31.369 a lot of researchers tables and then this came out. 262 00:18:31.589 --> 00:18:34.359 Um, yeah, well, he may be lying about a lot 263 00:18:34.390 --> 00:18:34.599 of stuff. 264 00:18:34.619 --> 00:18:40.049 Timothy, um, Timothy good, Timothy good. And, and, uh, Ryan Wood, 265 00:18:40.109 --> 00:18:43.970 you know, had a lot of work on the MJ-12 266 00:18:44.029 --> 00:18:48.950 documents as well. I don't even know how to ask this. 267 00:18:49.150 --> 00:18:53.650 What part of the MJ-12 document was there a part 268 00:18:53.690 --> 00:18:55.950 of that that you or anyone you know of your 269 00:18:55.970 --> 00:19:00.140 organization was involved in putting out there? And if so, specifically, 270 00:19:00.420 --> 00:19:00.859 which part? 271 00:19:02.019 --> 00:19:05.759 Well, I can't answer whether other people in the organization 272 00:19:06.420 --> 00:19:09.210 was involved, and I'm sure they were. I wasn't involved 273 00:19:09.250 --> 00:19:10.450 in it. 274 00:19:10.509 --> 00:19:12.869 There's an awful lot of evidence that he was directly 275 00:19:12.930 -->

00:19:17.990 involved in the creation and dissemination of those fake documents. 276 00:19:18.970 --> 00:19:21.970 And it sort of fits a pattern. Like I said, 277 00:19:22.099 --> 00:19:26.839 he like gets off on fucking with UFO people. So 278 00:19:28.380 --> 00:19:31.240 do I think that Richard Doty was both capable of 279 00:19:31.759 --> 00:19:36.500 and able to create those documents? Absolutely not. Do I 280 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:39.299 think that he would have enjoyed messing with the UFO 281 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:44.470 community and feeding them these MJ-12 documents? Absolutely. 282 00:19:44.490 --> 00:19:45.670 First time I saw. 283 00:19:46.250 --> 00:19:49.720 But he has always denied any involvement in their creation. 284 00:19:50.269 --> 00:19:53.069 even though there is an awful lot of evidence that 285 00:19:53.109 --> 00:19:55.670 he may indeed have been the creator of them. 286 00:19:56.009 --> 00:19:57.269 That document was when. 287 00:19:57.609 --> 00:19:58.930 Which document particularly? 288 00:19:58.990 --> 00:20:03.319 The MJ-12 that Jamie Shandera got. Yeah, okay. There's a 289 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:07.920 lot more to that than just him getting that document. 290 00:20:10.339 --> 00:20:12.019 He was in Washington, D.C. 291 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:15.200 Yeah, you're correct. Two weeks before meeting with somebody. 292 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:20.769 Because Jamie was part of another operation. He was an 293 00:20:21.049 --> 00:20:25.490 asset that was being used by Naval Investigative Service, which 294 00:20:25.549 --> 00:20:29.509 is now Naval Criminal Investigative Service. Back then, it was 295 00:20:29.549 --> 00:20:30.230 just NIS. 296 00:20:30.970 --> 00:20:32.410 Yeah, isn't that interesting? 297 00:20:32.470 --> 00:20:33.930 I'm not going to go into. 298 00:20:33.789 --> 00:20:34.430 That in details. 299 00:20:34.470 --> 00:20:37.640 But he went back to Washington. He went back to the... 300 00:20:38.859 --> 00:20:44.700 Botanical Gardens met there and they told him some things. 301 00:20:45.339 --> 00:20:48.509 Two weeks later, roughly two weeks later, he gets the 302 00:20:48.549 --> 00:20:55.049 document in the mail. It wasn't documents, it was pictures 303 00:20:55.130 --> 00:21:00.430 of documents. But that is another thing. That's a fake 304 00:21:00.490 --> 00:21:03.759 marking because when the FBI did analysis on it, they 305 00:21:03.779 --> 00:21:07.680 said this isn't a postal marking. But that's beside the point. Anyways, 306 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:12.740 he gets it. What I'm getting at, it didn't go 307 00:21:12.779 --> 00:21:15.740 through the mail system. It was placed in this box. 308 00:21:16.019 --> 00:21:16.240 I see. 309 00:21:16.299 --> 00:21:17.099 It was like dead dropped. 310 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:17.500 Yeah. 311 00:21:17.539 --> 00:21:23.299 Dead dropped. And so he gets this, he immediately contacts 312 00:21:23.339 --> 00:21:28.619 Bill Moore and Bill says, well, don't do anything with it. 313 00:21:29.180 --> 00:21:31.339 You know, let me see it and analyze it. And 314 00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:34.400 then at some time, some other time, I, I, he 315 00:21:34.789 --> 00:21:36.420 shows it to me. Bill Moore shows it to me, 316 00:21:37.250 --> 00:21:40.509 but he shows me a copy. Now, and we're in 317 00:21:40.569 --> 00:21:45.170 San Francisco, okay? Bill Moore meets me there and we 318 00:21:45.529 --> 00:21:48.349 were doing something entirely different. But Bill says, I got 319 00:21:48.410 --> 00:21:50.849 something I want you to look at, but we can't 320 00:21:50.890 --> 00:21:54.819 do it here. We have to go someplace private. I said, well, 321 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:58.240 what is it? He said, it's a document. I said, 322 00:21:58.259 --> 00:22:00.119 where'd you get it? He said, I got it from Jamie. 323 00:22:00.420 --> 00:22:03.279 He doesn't give me the whole details. And anyways, I said, well, 324 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:06.480 go to a hotel room. He shows it to me. 325 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:09.190 I immediately take it from him. I said, Bill, this 326 00:22:09.259 --> 00:22:09.930 is classified. 327 00:22:09.950 --> 00:22:15.400 Interesting. So Doty, the Fed agent, is like, hey, this 328 00:22:15.460 --> 00:22:18.500 document in your possession is more classified, so I'm going 329 00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:19.500 to take it from you. 330 00:22:20.019 --> 00:22:22.940 What the hell did you get it from? He said, oh, 331 00:22:23.299 --> 00:22:25.200 it's a copy of a copy. I said, where's the original? 332 00:22:25.859 --> 00:22:28.910 Jamie has it. So I take it. 333 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:34.319 And again, these weren't documents. What Jamie Shandera got in 334 00:22:34.339 --> 00:22:37.789 the mail was a roll of film. with pictures of 335 00:22:37.829 --> 00:22:38.549 the documents. 336 00:22:39.130 --> 00:22:43.369 I seize that document. I'm an OSI, I'm a federal agent. 337 00:22:43.509 --> 00:22:47.829 I seize that because it shows classification on it. So 338 00:22:47.890 --> 00:22:52.119 I said, okay, so I'm here in San Francisco. The 339 00:22:52.180 --> 00:22:57.299 closest facility around a military facility is Travis Air Force 340 00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:00.420 Base in Fairfield. So I go out to. 341 00:23:00.339 --> 00:23:03.079 The OSI office. 342 00:23:02.339 --> 00:23:05.359 And I said, listen, I'd seize this from somebody, you know, 343 00:23:05.380 --> 00:23:07.430 you need to, You need to package it, you know, 344 00:23:07.450 --> 00:23:09.630 do the packaging. It's top secret. You got to go 345 00:23:09.650 --> 00:23:09.970 through the. 346 00:23:10.309 --> 00:23:12.130 Yeah, it wasn't even a good story. 347 00:23:12.150 --> 00:23:15.369 To get it to wherever. Anyways, what do you want 348 00:23:15.410 --> 00:23:17.150 us to do with it? I said, why don't you 349 00:23:17.190 --> 00:23:19.900 mail it to me at Kirtland? So they do that. 350 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:25.279 I sent it to headquarters. I sent

it. When I 351 00:23:25.420 --> 00:23:27.880 go back, you know, four or five days later, I 352 00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:31.920 get it. I sent it to headquarters. I never hear 353 00:23:31.980 --> 00:23:32.509 anything more. 354 00:23:33.460 --> 00:23:35.619 I had one of those all. When I was a 355 00:23:35.720 --> 00:23:36.799 child in the kitchen. 356 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:38.589 I said, hey, did you get that? Well, I know 357 00:23:38.609 --> 00:23:40.529 they got the package. Because it has to go through 358 00:23:40.549 --> 00:23:43.329 an armed forces courier system because it's top secret code word. 359 00:23:43.349 --> 00:23:45.869 Yeah. 360 00:23:46.569 --> 00:23:49.549 And the guy I talked to, his last name is Benjamin. 361 00:23:50.289 --> 00:23:53.799 I said, hey, Benji. We call him Benji. Benji, did 362 00:23:53.839 --> 00:23:58.700 you get that package? Yeah. He said, I put it 363 00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:03.059 through the channel. And it's been a month probably. And 364 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:06.019 I haven't heard anything back from him. I said, so 365 00:24:06.140 --> 00:24:09.299 what are they going to do? I don't know. It's 366 00:24:09.319 --> 00:24:09.859 out of my hands. 367 00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:11.099 That's pretty interesting. 368 00:24:11.579 --> 00:24:14.089 So I go and I thought, well, maybe the investigative 369 00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:18.650 side of it, the guys that investigate espionage are handling it. 370 00:24:18.730 --> 00:24:21.950 By the way, the FBI investigated those documents. It was 371 00:24:21.990 --> 00:24:26.529 a big story. And the FBI determined that the documents 372 00:24:26.569 --> 00:24:29.589 were fake and they gave a multitude of reasons for 373 00:24:29.670 --> 00:24:30.589 why they were fake. 374 00:24:31.230 --> 00:24:33.349 The whole of one of them, I said, what do 375 00:24:33.410 --> 00:24:37.009 you do in that document? He says... It's been passed on. 376 00:24:38.509 --> 00:24:40.190 I said, well, what are they going to do with it? 377 00:24:40.349 --> 00:24:44.839 He said, I don't know. But you don't need to know, Dodie. 378 00:24:44.859 --> 00:24:47.059 I said, okay. 379 00:24:47.150 --> 00:24:47.690 I was out of it. 380 00:24:47.900 --> 00:24:50.059 Yeah, Bill Maher of all people, anime Chris. 381 00:24:50.140 --> 00:24:56.279 Then I, you know, I'm somewhat intelligent. You know, I 382 00:24:56.299 --> 00:24:58.720 went to college. I could figure out what two and 383 00:24:58.740 --> 00:25:03.460 two is. I thought, that's a disinformation. That's a deception 384 00:25:03.500 --> 00:25:05.839 operation that just occurred. 385 00:25:07.410 --> 00:25:12.450 Do you think that was from CIA or from your department? 386 00:25:13.069 --> 00:25:17.630 Well, there's a special. 387 00:25:18.569 --> 00:25:20.910 He seems to be stalling while he thinks of an 388 00:25:21.009 --> 00:25:24.079 answer here. I really think that he wrote those. And 389 00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:27.140 he's so sure they were a disinformation campaign because he 390 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:30.259 may have been the one that created that disinformation campaign. 391 00:25:30.660 --> 00:25:36.299 Office within the Defense Intelligence Agency, also the Central Intelligence Agency, 392 00:25:37.940 --> 00:25:42.220 It's named differently within the DIA, and it's not classified anymore, 393 00:25:42.420 --> 00:25:46.019 Special Means Committee. The Special Means Committee. 394 00:25:46.259 --> 00:25:49.799 Creates documents for. 395 00:25:49.099 --> 00:25:51.160 Mostly counter-espionage operations. 396 00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:51.900 Right. 397 00:25:52.140 --> 00:25:53.299 Yeah, passage material. 398 00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:57.720 Yeah. Yeah. It has been telling stories. 399 00:25:57.039 --> 00:25:57.779 For 50 years. 400 00:25:57.799 --> 00:25:59.640 You have to give a little real stuff in order 401 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:02.089 for the Soviets to believe it or whoever you're targeting. Sure. 402 00:26:03.069 --> 00:26:03.950 And so they do that. 403 00:26:04.509 --> 00:26:04.750 Wow. 404 00:26:05.049 --> 00:26:10.779 So I... kind of figured that probably came out of there. 405 00:26:10.859 --> 00:26:11.849 I don't know for a fact. 406 00:26:12.180 --> 00:26:12.740 Sure, yeah. 407 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:16.309 Now, when this was all being investigated back in 87 408 00:26:16.309 --> 00:26:26.759 and 88, the FBI pretty much targeted the DIA, but 409 00:26:26.779 --> 00:26:27.279 the DIA didn't. 410 00:26:27.299 --> 00:26:27.839 That's interesting. 411 00:26:27.859 --> 00:26:31.240 The FBI had help in, didn't the FBI go to OSI? 412 00:26:37.670 --> 00:26:43.059 in determining that it was bogus. Now, that's where the 413 00:26:43.099 --> 00:26:45.119 crux is, because whether it's real. 414 00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:45.400 Or not, I. 415 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:49.339 Mean, they're going to deny it outright either way. 416 00:26:49.849 --> 00:26:50.400 Oh, UFO stuff. 417 00:26:50.420 --> 00:26:51.569 There was a meeting. 418 00:26:51.769 --> 00:26:53.589 Government's going to lie no matter what. 419 00:26:53.769 --> 00:26:57.269 And I found this out years later, not then, not 420 00:26:57.309 --> 00:27:00.829 during the 80s. I was sitting at a UFO convention. 421 00:27:00.849 --> 00:27:03.579 By the way, those documents came out in 87, and 422 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:07.650 people are still arguing that they're real. Some people, most people, 423 00:27:07.750 --> 00:27:13.329 most serious researchers understand and acknowledge that those documents are 424 00:27:13.369 --> 00:27:17.509 completely fake. And one of the, um, Stanton Freeman famously 425 00:27:17.549 --> 00:27:19.809 thought some of them were real. Some of them were fake. 426 00:27:20.789 --> 00:27:26.529 Uh, uh, Colonel Law, he was chief of counterintelligence for OSI. Uh, he, 427 00:27:26.730 --> 00:27:31.880 he showed up that towards the end of this UFO convention. And, uh, 428 00:27:32.420 --> 00:27:34.180 You're

right. I actually went to the airport and got 429 00:27:34.220 --> 00:27:35.900 him and brought him there. And anyways, we were sitting 430 00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:42.789 talking and he's in the subject, uh, dark matter juice 431 00:27:42.829 --> 00:27:50.670 came up of, of Ryan, Ryan Woods, doctor as a father. And, um, 432 00:27:51.049 --> 00:27:55.990 he said, wow, I never thought that stuff would end 433 00:27:56.089 --> 00:28:00.859 up where it ended up. And I, I said, Colonel, I, 434 00:28:01.460 --> 00:28:07.769 I said, that stuff real? He said, Richard, how many 435 00:28:07.849 --> 00:28:11.609 counter espionage operations did you run? I said, quite a few. 436 00:28:12.990 --> 00:28:14.890 You realize you have to give them the real stuff, 437 00:28:14.970 --> 00:28:17.849 some of the real stuff. And that's all he said 438 00:28:17.869 --> 00:28:25.440 to me. So the MSJ-12 documents contain some legitimate information 439 00:28:26.980 --> 00:28:28.880 mixed in with some bullshit information. 440 00:28:29.740 --> 00:28:32.730 But none of that you can confirm. 441 00:28:32.769 --> 00:28:35.230 I can't because i didn't yeah i was an author 442 00:28:35.269 --> 00:28:39.589 of it just like yeah it it's just like when 443 00:28:40.049 --> 00:28:41.009 linda how. 444 00:28:41.009 --> 00:28:43.349 I wasn't the author of it uh now he's going 445 00:28:43.369 --> 00:28:44.990 to talk about messing with linda. 446 00:28:44.769 --> 00:28:47.710 How incident happened i don't know if you want to 447 00:28:47.750 --> 00:28:49.750 talk about that sure if you want to if you 448 00:28:49.769 --> 00:28:53.220 want to talk about it um we all know who 449 00:28:53.259 --> 00:28:56.539 linda how is she was an enemy now she's a 450 00:28:56.559 --> 00:29:01.690 friend of mine um I was tasked with an operation 451 00:29:01.809 --> 00:29:06.470 to bring her in and brief her on something because 452 00:29:06.509 --> 00:29:09.490 of what she was doing. The documentary she was working on. 453 00:29:09.630 --> 00:29:15.059 The documentary she was working on at HBO. Wackadoo Cardigan, yes. 454 00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:17.700 Linda Moulton Howe killed those cows with a shovel. 455 00:29:17.740 --> 00:29:20.660 About a week before she was due into Albuquerque, I 456 00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:24.900 already knew she was coming to Albuquerque, and they told me, 457 00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:29.220 you need to make an appointment. and we're going to 458 00:29:29.259 --> 00:29:31.460 send you something and we want her to read this. 459 00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:39.250 I said, okay. So she's already contacted Jerry Miller, who 460 00:29:39.289 --> 00:29:45.000 was part of this and so she's a cow killer 461 00:29:45.339 --> 00:29:47.960 Linda Moulton Howdy is a cow killer the day before 462 00:29:47.980 --> 00:29:52.900 the afternoon before this was to occur we had a 463 00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:57.369 place to interview her and there was a two way 464 00:29:57.380 --> 00:30:02.619 mirror

everything was going to be recorded Audio and video. 465 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:04.880 And I get a package in from the Armed Forces Courier. 466 00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:07.880 Why is the government interviewing UFO wackadoos? 467 00:30:07.900 --> 00:30:09.710 I open it and I kind of look through it, 468 00:30:09.740 --> 00:30:13.900 but I didn't really read everything. The day of her meeting, 469 00:30:13.980 --> 00:30:15.920 I went out, just before I went out to pick 470 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:17.740 her up to bring her to the gate, because she 471 00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:20.779 had to be cleared in, I read it. I went 472 00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:23.640 through the document and I said, holy cow, this is 473 00:30:23.660 --> 00:30:29.099 a presidential briefing document. But I, you know, The counterintelligence 474 00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:31.539 officer in me says, I wonder how much of this 475 00:30:31.619 --> 00:30:35.759 is real. So anyway, she comes in. I give her 476 00:30:35.779 --> 00:30:38.059 the spiel. I said, you can read this. You can't 477 00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:42.819 take notes. You can't photograph it. So she reads it. 478 00:30:42.980 --> 00:30:46.839 And she asked me, how long do I have? I said, 479 00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:48.900 you can read it a couple different times. So she 480 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:53.319 took her probably 35, 40 minutes. I mean, she read 481 00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:54.599 everything several times. 482 00:30:56.150 --> 00:30:58.259 Video game picture passing grifter. 483 00:30:58.440 --> 00:30:58.880 Yes. 484 00:30:58.900 --> 00:31:00.099 We bust her. 485 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:04.339 I sent it back to headquarters. And that's my beginning 486 00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:11.079 of using her as a source of information. Now, I 487 00:31:11.140 --> 00:31:15.960 find out later that they were going to do this 488 00:31:16.069 --> 00:31:18.170 operation against her. And it's being handled in the headquarters. 489 00:31:18.190 --> 00:31:23.720 Not with me. I was just a field agent. what 490 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:26.099 they asked me to handle. I wasn't actually the case 491 00:31:26.180 --> 00:31:30.009 agent that was being done in headquarters. She was to 492 00:31:30.049 --> 00:31:36.650 do a documentary for HBO on UFOs. And she had 493 00:31:36.750 --> 00:31:41.029 information that she had obtained from an Air Force officer 494 00:31:41.069 --> 00:31:45.140 who worked at the Pentagon. My job was to get 495 00:31:45.180 --> 00:31:46.660 the name of that officer. 496 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:52.369 That's interesting. So I guess they're The government is trying 497 00:31:52.430 --> 00:31:57.410 to decide who's leaking information to UFO promoters. 498 00:31:58.059 --> 00:32:01.339 So we could run a case against him because he 499 00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:06.660 disclosed classified information to her. So that's why I handled Linda. 500 00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:11.220 And she was a tough cookie. I was totally unsuccessful. 501 00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:14.319 I never got anything from her. She's very smart. 502 00:32:16.539 --> 00:32:19.440 Smart she is. She's selling video game covers as real 503 00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:22.000 pictures of aliens. Maybe she was smart before she got 504 00:32:22.140 --> 00:32:25.400 old and senile. Who knows? I call Linda Moulton Howe 505 00:32:25.420 --> 00:32:26.859 the grifting grandma. 506 00:32:27.220 --> 00:32:31.019 She would give me other information, but names, I never 507 00:32:31.059 --> 00:32:31.680 get that from her. 508 00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:34.279 Well, good for her. She doesn't reveal any of her sources. 509 00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:38.180 Yeah, Linda's tenacious, to say the least. 510 00:32:38.579 --> 00:32:43.410 Yeah, that's a good word for her. Yeah. Okay. But 511 00:32:43.450 --> 00:32:46.130 getting back to it, the information that she was reading. 512 00:32:47.630 --> 00:32:47.990 You don't know. 513 00:32:49.869 --> 00:32:53.789 I actually only had access to it for that short 514 00:32:53.829 --> 00:32:55.779 period of time because I had to send it back. 515 00:32:56.539 --> 00:32:58.019 I read it. I read the document. I read the 516 00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:00.980 same thing she read. And I thought it was amazing 517 00:33:01.059 --> 00:33:04.099 what they were giving her. But I thought it can't 518 00:33:04.140 --> 00:33:07.599 be real. I mean, I mean, some of it probably is. Now, 519 00:33:07.779 --> 00:33:12.099 over the years, I've learned that some of that is real. 520 00:33:12.700 --> 00:33:13.740 And then some of it isn't. 521 00:33:14.339 --> 00:33:17.569 So what have you created that isn't real? 522 00:33:18.769 --> 00:33:22.569 I create, we mean during my time in OSI? I 523 00:33:22.890 --> 00:33:23.670 didn't create anything. 524 00:33:23.710 --> 00:33:24.269 No material? 525 00:33:24.529 --> 00:33:26.990 No, I would not be allowed to do that. 526 00:33:27.109 --> 00:33:28.609 No, so, you know, but what information? 527 00:33:28.650 --> 00:33:32.119 And a lot of people think that he just, he wasn't, 528 00:33:32.380 --> 00:33:36.099 if he was responsible for the MJ-12 documents, it wasn't 529 00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:40.119 in his official capacity as a government disinformation agent. He 530 00:33:40.140 --> 00:33:42.720 just went rogue and did it on his own. to 531 00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:46.460 mess with UFO people. According to Doty in this interview, 532 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:50.349 he wasn't even allowed to create material to give to 533 00:33:50.470 --> 00:33:53.509 UFO people. They would give him the material they wanted 534 00:33:53.750 --> 00:33:55.930 him to give to UFO people. 535 00:33:56.369 --> 00:33:57.250 Did you pass on? 536 00:33:58.829 --> 00:33:59.119 Okay. 537 00:33:59.190 --> 00:34:00.660 That was given to you that, you know, for a 538 00:34:00.740 --> 00:34:02.319 fact wasn't real that people took us. 539 00:34:02.420 --> 00:34:06.200 Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, there was an

540 00:34:06.259 --> 00:34:11.340 incident involving a, uh, A civilian that saw something. It 541 00:34:11.699 --> 00:34:13.719 was actually an experimental car. 542 00:34:13.739 --> 00:34:16.219 Yeah, you can't give up your sources if they're made 543 00:34:16.300 --> 00:34:17.050 up nonsense. 544 00:34:17.570 --> 00:34:19.130 Prototype of the Aurora. 545 00:34:19.150 --> 00:34:19.829 Okay. 546 00:34:20.050 --> 00:34:23.349 Which was being developed at the same time that the 547 00:34:23.489 --> 00:34:28.130 F-117 was at Tonopah. That same time period. This guy 548 00:34:28.230 --> 00:34:32.719 saw this. And I had to give him information on 549 00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:37.380 a UFO. I made... We made up, OSI made up 550 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:42.920 this story about a UFO that occurred, a sighting of 551 00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:46.639 occurred the same time he saw this real craft. So 552 00:34:47.099 --> 00:34:52.380 everything I gave him about that UFO was false. I mean, everything. 553 00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:57.079 I guess there is a place for disinformation. Like, hey, 554 00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:59.719 somebody saw our top secret aircraft that we're testing. So 555 00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:01.519 they have to go and convince him that it was 556 00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:02.760 something that it wasn't. 557 00:35:03.889 --> 00:35:07.019 It came down from headquarters. I even probably embellished a 558 00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:10.159 lot of that stuff to convince him. And he was 559 00:35:10.340 --> 00:35:12.960 thoroughly convinced. And then I had him sign the NDA. 560 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:15.260 Wow. 561 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:20.139 So that was one of, I mean, I probably did it. Well, 562 00:35:20.579 --> 00:35:24.980 I know I did it other times. This is a 563 00:35:25.380 --> 00:35:26.039 funny story. 564 00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:30.219 It's fascinating to me. No admitted disinformation agent. 565 00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:35.590 When I was out there at Groomlight. Back in those days, 566 00:35:35.670 --> 00:35:40.010 in the late 70s and 80s, prostitution was legal in Nevada. 567 00:35:40.070 --> 00:35:45.989 Most counties had property. Nye County, which most of the 568 00:35:46.030 --> 00:35:47.030 Nellis Test and Train. 569 00:35:47.130 --> 00:35:50.519 He seems to know a lot about prostitutes and prostitution. 570 00:35:50.539 --> 00:35:53.039 A little bit of Lincoln and a little bit of Clark. 571 00:35:55.820 --> 00:35:58.519 Our job was to go out and recruit every single 572 00:35:58.579 --> 00:36:04.260 prostitute around the Nellis Test and Trains. and pay them. 573 00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:16.829 I think that's very interesting that the government is using 574 00:36:16.849 --> 00:36:26.190 whores as information sources and paying off whores to be rats. Well, 575 00:36:26.230 --> 00:37:13.610 imagine that whores are great sources of information. I'm sorry 576 00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:17.550 about that, friends. Some kind of a technical hiccup. I 577 00:37:17.590 --> 00:37:20.429 apologize for that. We'll see if we can't get the 578 00:37:20.469 --> 00:37:26.750 video back. And hopefully that is a temporary thing. Been 579 00:37:26.809 --> 00:37:35.110 having weird issues with our ISP here of late. Just 580 00:37:35.130 --> 00:37:38.130 seems like the internet goes out and then it goes 581 00:37:38.170 --> 00:37:40.530 right back in. So I apologize. We'll try to get 582 00:37:40.550 --> 00:37:44.500 through this. we're right in the middle of a good 583 00:37:44.619 --> 00:37:46.460 story from Richard Doty. 584 00:37:46.139 --> 00:37:51.610 About whores 117 119 and that he could do all 585 00:37:51.650 --> 00:37:57.829 these strange things and and even we could chase flying 586 00:37:57.889 --> 00:38:01.849 saucers with him and all this stuff well when we 587 00:38:02.230 --> 00:38:07.190 yeah I get that well she called us we had 588 00:38:07.210 --> 00:38:09.610 a special phone number she called us and she said 589 00:38:10.780 --> 00:38:14.260 I got some information for you So she was a prompt. 590 00:38:14.659 --> 00:38:15.159 Were they paid? 591 00:38:15.420 --> 00:38:15.699 Yeah. 592 00:38:15.900 --> 00:38:16.579 Well paid. 593 00:38:16.699 --> 00:38:18.219 So the Air Force paid prostitutes? 594 00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:20.760 Yeah. Yeah. Well paid. 595 00:38:20.820 --> 00:38:24.880 Not for anything, just for the information. So I go 596 00:38:24.980 --> 00:38:29.329 out there with another agent and we go in and 597 00:38:29.369 --> 00:38:33.210 she says, she gives us his name and she tells 598 00:38:33.269 --> 00:38:34.329 us everything he said. 599 00:38:35.530 --> 00:38:35.730 Nice. 600 00:38:35.809 --> 00:38:36.250 And I said. 601 00:38:36.269 --> 00:38:39.210 So not only was she a whore, she was a 602 00:38:39.250 --> 00:38:39.750 whore brat. 603 00:38:39.809 --> 00:38:42.269 I don't know if any of it's true. They wouldn't 604 00:38:42.289 --> 00:38:42.550 know it. 605 00:38:43.389 --> 00:38:43.840 I said, okay. 606 00:38:44.219 --> 00:38:48.369 I said, how often does he come in here? She said, 607 00:38:49.590 --> 00:38:51.510 once every couple of weeks. Well, they could only get 608 00:38:51.650 --> 00:38:54.010 off every whatever it was. I don't know. I don't 609 00:38:54.030 --> 00:38:59.809 remember now. Periodically, he would come in. I said, does 610 00:38:59.849 --> 00:39:02.429 he make an appointment? And she said, yeah. 611 00:39:02.570 --> 00:39:04.800 I said, well, sometimes on your day off, you got 612 00:39:04.820 --> 00:39:05.860 to go visit a whore. 613 00:39:06.139 --> 00:39:08.300 I mean, next time he calls to make an appointment. 614 00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:09.980 Can't blame a guy for that, right? 615 00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:14.409 Let's know because we're going to bug the room. And 616 00:39:14.429 --> 00:39:16.030 so she does and we bug it and we get, 617 00:39:16.179 --> 00:39:19.940 and he's, she's just asking him questions. Hey, remember you 618 00:39:19.960 -->

00:39:20.659 told me about that. 619 00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:22.599 Government orders. Yeah. And stuff. 620 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:23.380 And then he went on. 621 00:39:26.349 --> 00:39:28.829 For like 20 some minutes. 622 00:39:28.849 --> 00:39:30.710 What are you paying prostitutes for? 623 00:39:30.989 --> 00:39:33.829 So she calls us and says, hey, he left and 624 00:39:34.150 --> 00:39:36.159 I turned it off like you told us to. We 625 00:39:36.179 --> 00:39:38.320 can probably get it. And then we go pay him 626 00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:42.000 a visit at the dorm at Tonopah. And it's funny. 627 00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:46.860 He's in this dorm and he's an officer. He's a major. 628 00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:49.980 And he has this suite And then I knock on 629 00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:53.679 the door. He opens it and his face just went, hmm, 630 00:39:54.230 --> 00:39:54.510 he knew. 631 00:39:54.530 --> 00:39:56.409 I said, you. 632 00:39:56.329 --> 00:39:58.250 Know, Special Agent Rick Doria is OSI. I need to 633 00:39:58.269 --> 00:39:58.690 talk to you. 634 00:39:58.949 --> 00:40:01.849 Yeah, OSI is basically the Internal Affairs. 635 00:40:01.809 --> 00:40:02.389 Of the Air Force. 636 00:40:02.409 --> 00:40:03.050 I said, but not here. 637 00:40:03.289 --> 00:40:05.369 You're going to go with me. We're going to go 638 00:40:05.389 --> 00:40:07.769 over to the OSI office, which we had one at Tonopah. 639 00:40:09.190 --> 00:40:10.880 He says, you want me to bring anything with me? 640 00:40:10.889 --> 00:40:11.449 I said, no, just. 641 00:40:11.570 --> 00:40:13.519 Yeah, and I'll open the doors in the same sentence. 642 00:40:13.820 --> 00:40:18.110 So, put him in the vehicle. He's We get him 643 00:40:18.130 --> 00:40:19.630 in the office to put him in interrogation. 644 00:40:19.650 --> 00:40:21.110 Yeah, apparently the Air Force has the best force. 645 00:40:21.130 --> 00:40:23.449 What you do is you put him in there, and 646 00:40:23.469 --> 00:40:25.780 there's a camera, and they know the camera's on. And 647 00:40:25.820 --> 00:40:29.960 we sit him there, and we let him wait. Because 648 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:31.559 this is going to be interrogation. It's not going to 649 00:40:31.579 --> 00:40:32.019 be an interview. 650 00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:35.599 Yeah, exactly. The fester. 651 00:40:36.500 --> 00:40:37.219 That's two children. 652 00:40:37.699 --> 00:40:38.489 Yeah, the fester. 653 00:40:38.510 --> 00:40:40.530 So we come in, and I come in with the 654 00:40:40.610 --> 00:40:43.869 other agent. I sit down. I said, Major. 655 00:40:44.710 --> 00:40:45.170 Could be. 656 00:40:45.210 --> 00:40:46.550 He said, I know who you're going to talk about. 657 00:40:46.710 --> 00:40:49.059 I said, shut your mouth. Don't even talk to me yet. 658 00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:54.260 I said, when I ask you a question, you can 659 00:40:54.340 --> 00:41:00.800 answer it. Yes, sir. And I tell him, I kind 660 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:05.329 of give him a preamble, not mentioning anything directly. Sure. 661 00:41:06.130 --> 00:41:07.889 I said, you know, you're a major in the United 662 00:41:07.909 --> 00:41:11.050 States Air Force. You've been a pilot for whatever it was, 14, 663 00:41:11.030 --> 00:41:17.059 15 years. You're flying one of the most important expensive 664 00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:22.340 and most classified aircraft that the Air Force has. And 665 00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:28.559 you're married, right? You got two kids. Your wife's at 666 00:41:28.780 --> 00:41:33.840 Edwards Air Force Base. You're here. And you can't keep 667 00:41:33.900 --> 00:41:34.659 it in your pants. 668 00:41:36.050 --> 00:41:36.389 Nice. 669 00:41:36.510 --> 00:41:37.199 He starts crying. 670 00:41:37.219 --> 00:41:37.929 Yeah. 671 00:41:39.630 --> 00:41:42.989 It's not funny, but he starts crying. He said, okay. 672 00:41:43.010 --> 00:41:46.940 I said, but, but, but. Before I ask any questions, 673 00:41:47.940 --> 00:41:50.190 I have to read this to you. It's your Article 31. 674 00:41:50.179 --> 00:41:53.480 That's the Fifth Amendment in the military. I read him as, 675 00:41:53.739 --> 00:41:55.519 you know, your right to be silent and all that stuff. 676 00:41:56.820 --> 00:41:58.679 And I pulled up the document. I said, you just 677 00:41:58.739 --> 00:42:01.179 sign there on the bottom that you acknowledge it. He does. 678 00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:03.639 I said, so now we're going to talk if you 679 00:42:03.659 --> 00:42:08.550 want to talk. But remember what's going to happen if 680 00:42:08.590 --> 00:42:10.289 you don't talk to me when you leave that room. 681 00:42:10.909 --> 00:42:12.309 But you don't have to talk to me. 682 00:42:12.809 --> 00:42:13.110 Yeah. 683 00:42:13.369 --> 00:42:13.869 And he talked. 684 00:42:14.050 --> 00:42:14.469 Yeah, of course. 685 00:42:14.489 --> 00:42:18.050 He made it up. He took offline status. They sent 686 00:42:18.070 --> 00:42:18.809 him back to Edwards. 687 00:42:18.829 --> 00:42:24.480 So that's interesting. Richard Doty is running around getting guys 688 00:42:24.539 --> 00:42:27.559 in trouble for banging whores and talking too much, basically. 689 00:42:27.780 --> 00:42:30.440 That was his job. We got to make sure that 690 00:42:30.500 --> 00:42:34.369 these Air Force officers don't spill the beans too much 691 00:42:34.409 --> 00:42:38.449 to these whores around here. Seems like a very implausible story, 692 00:42:38.510 --> 00:42:41.769 but okay. Trolly troll troll with one for the gold. 693 00:42:42.619 --> 00:42:44.739 Did you send me those pine trees soon? We've been 694 00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:47.800 getting some great monstrous rains, and I've been planting lots. 695 00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:50.599 I'll see what I can do about it next week, okay? 696 00:42:52.139 --> 00:42:54.030 You know, while I have my kids here, I can't 697 00:42:54.070 --> 00:42:56.670 go anywhere or do anything, like go to the post office. 698 00:42:56.730 --> 00:42:58.469

But now my kids are back in school, I should 699 00:42:58.489 --> 00:43:01.570 be able to do that for you. And thank you 700 00:43:01.590 --> 00:43:04.650 for your kindness, generosity, and big, big support of the show. 701 00:43:04.710 --> 00:43:09.260 You're the first person that will receive... a My Pet 702 00:43:09.380 --> 00:43:12.739 Pine Tree, but thank you for your kindness, generosity, and support. 703 00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:15.090 I'll try to get up off my ass and get 704 00:43:15.130 --> 00:43:16.650 to the post office next week for you. 705 00:43:16.849 --> 00:43:20.690 Eventually, he just took him off that program. I don't 706 00:43:20.769 --> 00:43:21.929 know really what happened. 707 00:43:22.010 --> 00:43:23.809 I did get the pine trees together. 708 00:43:23.849 --> 00:43:24.989 I think he went back to flying. 709 00:43:25.130 --> 00:43:29.059 I got them together in little planners, so I'll see 710 00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:30.019 what I can do about mail. 711 00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:32.099 That is not anything classified in. 712 00:43:32.610 --> 00:43:34.730 I guess you had to have the prostitute as well. 713 00:43:34.769 --> 00:43:38.849 Send me your address again. Truthseekershow at gmail.com so that 714 00:43:38.869 --> 00:43:39.670 I'm sure that I have it. 715 00:43:39.769 --> 00:43:40.530 Sign NDAs. 716 00:43:41.130 --> 00:43:41.590 Oh, yeah. 717 00:43:41.670 --> 00:43:42.130 In that case. 718 00:43:42.150 --> 00:43:44.909 Well, they don't know. Yeah, we do. 719 00:43:45.349 --> 00:43:48.369 But they're not liable to really talk about it. 720 00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:50.159 They keep their mouth shut. 721 00:43:50.300 --> 00:43:52.760 Yeah, they're good. They're good at keeping secrets. They're very 722 00:43:52.820 --> 00:43:54.019 good at keeping secrets. 723 00:43:54.380 --> 00:43:59.360 Yeah. And that was one of many cases that we had. 724 00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:00.239 So quite successful. 725 00:44:00.260 --> 00:44:00.340 Yeah. 726 00:44:00.869 --> 00:44:04.530 How many cases was he using whores as informants for? Jesus. 727 00:44:04.929 --> 00:44:06.329 Very, very successful. 728 00:44:06.349 --> 00:44:06.429 Yeah. 729 00:44:06.469 --> 00:44:08.849 I said that therefore spent a lot of money in, 730 00:44:09.289 --> 00:44:12.800 in the prostitution around, but we never, we never got 731 00:44:12.860 --> 00:44:14.239 anything from it, but information. 732 00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:17.280 Yeah. Oh, so they didn't get any pussy. 733 00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:17.880 Geez. 734 00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:20.820 Paid him all that money. Didn't even get a Robin 735 00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:24.360 tug or a BJ on the book. He seems very 736 00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:25.440 disappointed about that. 737 00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:25.920 At least. 738 00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:27.969 Yeah. Okay. 739 00:44:28.070 --> 00:44:35.019 So, Towards the end of the 80s now, we've gone 740 00:44:35.059 --> 00:44:39.059 through so many things in terms of documents coming forward. 741 00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:40.679 Yeah, just send it to me again so I'm sure 742 00:44:40.739 --> 00:44:41.110 I have it. 743 00:44:41.139 --> 00:44:46.440 Being sort of outed as part of a disinformation campaign. 744 00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:51.590 A lot is going on in ufology. 745 00:44:51.949 --> 00:44:54.309 The spies have seen some horrors. 746 00:44:54.489 --> 00:44:57.269 In 1988, there was a TV special which you're on, 747 00:44:57.969 --> 00:45:05.000 the UFO cover-up. on TV. And, well, you're hidden under 748 00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:09.929 the alias Falcon, if I'm not mistaken. And then there's also... 749 00:45:12.349 --> 00:45:13.690 What was it? It was Condor. 750 00:45:14.690 --> 00:45:18.449 It's the famous aviary. For some reason, these bunch of 751 00:45:18.530 --> 00:45:21.309 UFO dorks all got together with their group and called 752 00:45:21.349 --> 00:45:24.179 it the aviary, and they all took bird code names. 753 00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:25.079 Bob Collins. 754 00:45:25.139 --> 00:45:26.280 Robert Collins. That's right. 755 00:45:27.059 --> 00:45:27.260 And.... 756 00:45:28.699 --> 00:45:31.480 You go on there talking about a lot of really 757 00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:35.739 interesting things. Now, I want to know, did that come 758 00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:41.630 from your own volition or was that an order to 759 00:45:41.690 --> 00:45:44.230 do something like that? Where did that come from? Where 760 00:45:44.250 --> 00:45:46.570 did the impetus happen? 761 00:45:47.670 --> 00:45:51.849 Well, number one, that wasn't live. That was recorded a 762 00:45:52.010 --> 00:45:52.969 year before. 763 00:45:52.989 --> 00:45:53.409 Right. 764 00:45:55.860 --> 00:45:58.280 And that was part of another operation. 765 00:45:59.460 --> 00:46:00.440 And that came from OSI? 766 00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:01.559 Yeah, it came from OSI. 767 00:46:01.659 --> 00:46:03.659 So that was disinformation. 768 00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:06.019 That was 87, not 88. Oh, 87. 769 00:46:06.010 --> 00:46:09.110 My bad. And it was so strange because, you know, 770 00:46:10.230 --> 00:46:17.969 you're basically making public what you were, the same information 771 00:46:17.989 --> 00:46:20.949 that you were giving to Paul Benowitz. What was the 772 00:46:20.989 --> 00:46:24.760 call there? Why go from, hey, we're going to, you 773 00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:27.340 were going to, you know, keep this contained and control 774 00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:30.659 the situation to now go public with this thing. Like 775 00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:32.079 what was the reason? 776 00:46:34.900 --> 00:46:37.590 OSI was trying to, this, that was part of an 777 00:46:37.630 --> 00:46:40.769 OSI and FBI investigation. They were trying to draw somebody out. 778 00:46:41.750 --> 00:46:45.030 I see. And they were hoping that what I said 779 00:46:45.389 --> 00:46:48.269 now at the time I did that interview, I didn't 780 00:46:48.309 --> 00:46:50.619 know about what was going to happen a

year later. Actually, 781 00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:56.329 it was like 15 months before. the October 87 interview. 782 00:46:56.610 --> 00:46:59.110 Why would the government pay an Air Force Office of 783 00:46:59.179 --> 00:47:03.219 Special Investigations officer to go on a UFO TV show 784 00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:06.860 and talk about the government hiding aliens and things like that? 785 00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:09.920 I don't believe. 786 00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:14.719 It's tough to believe anything this guy says. And it 787 00:47:14.739 --> 00:47:16.780 made crits with one for the goal. The guy sounds 788 00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.900 like a guy who did the brass's grunt work and 789 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:23.070 pretends he was in on the big stuff. Yeah, I'm 790 00:47:23.130 --> 00:47:27.550 sure he embellishes and exaggerates what a big role he 791 00:47:27.610 --> 00:47:33.039 had as a government disinformation agent. But this whole story 792 00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:36.119 of the UFO cover-up live seems really crazy to me. 793 00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:39.679 Tim Houston with One for the Goal saying, I appreciate you, Stephen. Well, 794 00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:42.360 thanks for appreciating me, and we certainly appreciate your big, 795 00:47:42.420 --> 00:47:45.980 big support. Lots of great supporters tonight, and I'll check 796 00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:49.199 in with the kick chat as well. Nothing over there yet. 797 00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:52.110 They don't even have pennies to throw at me today. 798 00:47:52.139 --> 00:47:54.820 This is concerning. I don't know what's going on with 799 00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:58.219 the kick brokies, but I hope the kick support returns 800 00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:03.699 because I'm missing that once beautiful kick extra paycheck every month, right? 801 00:48:04.380 --> 00:48:06.219 And we get to keep most of the kick support, 802 00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:09.380 so we love the kick support. Thank you all for 803 00:48:09.420 --> 00:48:14.659 your kindness, generosity, and support. Maybe he went on the 804 00:48:14.699 --> 00:48:18.280 TV show to find better whores? Yeah, could be, right? 805 00:48:20.429 --> 00:48:23.110 When you hear Dodie supporters trying to forget argued for 806 00:48:23.130 --> 00:48:26.769 Dodie's pants with Bedowitz, excusing him, then peddling his BS. 807 00:48:26.849 --> 00:48:30.309 That was a big misstep for the disinfo peddlers. Yeah, 808 00:48:30.590 --> 00:48:32.829 I tend to agree with you, Moody Mungle. Good to 809 00:48:32.869 --> 00:48:36.690 see you in the live chat. Is Ramsey dressing like Mr. Rogers? 810 00:48:36.909 --> 00:48:39.250 I don't like it. Yeah, I don't know why, but Ramsey, 811 00:48:39.389 --> 00:48:44.230 this interviewer, seems to always dress like Mr. Rogers. Thank you, Matthias, 812 00:48:44.269 --> 00:48:47.809 for your kindness, generosity, and big, big support of the show. Much, 813 00:48:47.889 --> 00:48:48.789 much appreciated. 814 00:48:50.789 --> 00:48:51.250

The movie. 815 00:48:51.449 --> 00:48:52.130 Yeah, when it came out. 816 00:48:52.250 --> 00:48:56.210 When it came out. Yeah. So I didn't know. 817 00:48:56.230 --> 00:49:00.289 That the lid was going to get blown. Yeah. 818 00:49:01.650 --> 00:49:06.110 And so they were hoping... And I wasn't involved in 819 00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:08.539 this part of it. They were hoping to draw somebody 820 00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:14.500 that they were looking for that had disclosed classified information 821 00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:19.989 to somebody else. And so... I had it. 822 00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:25.440 A script okay were you aware of what parts of 823 00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:32.239 that script were fabricated confabulated and which parts were maybe real. 824 00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:40.429 Most of what I said was was real But there 825 00:49:40.449 --> 00:49:43.989 was some probably misinformation in there. I don't remember. I 826 00:49:44.789 --> 00:49:45.250 don't remember. 827 00:49:45.269 --> 00:49:45.929 Okay. 828 00:49:45.949 --> 00:49:47.489 The strawberry ice cream probably. 829 00:49:47.510 --> 00:49:49.030 No, the strawberry ice cream was real. 830 00:49:49.070 --> 00:49:49.690 No, it wasn't. 831 00:49:49.829 --> 00:49:50.250 Stop. 832 00:49:50.389 --> 00:49:50.829 Really? 833 00:49:51.329 --> 00:49:52.969 Absolutely. The strawberry ice cream. 834 00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:56.519 Famously, Richard Doty said on this UFO television that the 835 00:49:56.699 --> 00:50:01.539 aliens in captivity at Area 51, their favorite food is 836 00:50:01.579 --> 00:50:05.340 strawberry ice cream. Yes, he actually said that. The crew 837 00:50:05.340 --> 00:50:09.599 500 with two pounds said, Thank you for your kindness, generosity, 838 00:50:09.659 --> 00:50:13.019 and big, big support of the show. Much, much appreciate it. 839 00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:19.159 We love our friends across the pond. Did you see that? 840 00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:23.570 The French are now helping the refugees get over to 841 00:50:23.610 --> 00:50:27.210 the English side of the English channel. That's great. 842 00:50:27.250 --> 00:50:32.829 Go back and ask Linda Howell. Linda Howell had the, 843 00:50:34.010 --> 00:50:38.550 she interviewed The captain that lived with. 844 00:50:38.570 --> 00:50:40.199 It is unforgivable. 845 00:50:40.389 --> 00:50:46.090 Okay. From 47. And he used the, the strawberry ice cream. He, that, 846 00:50:46.369 --> 00:50:50.070 that was started back in 1980 when Linda Howell heard 847 00:50:50.130 --> 00:50:51.849 that from the captain. 848 00:50:53.949 --> 00:50:56.329 And what was the reason to include that? I feel 849 00:50:56.369 --> 00:50:58.730 like that feels like disinformation. 850 00:50:58.929 --> 00:50:59.289 It does. 851 00:50:59.469 --> 00:51:00.190 And is that why? 852 00:51:00.210 --> 00:51:01.590 Yeah. 853 00:51:01.630 --> 00:51:04.750 Because it's so outlandish. We're just going to throw that 854 00:51:04.809 --> 00:51:05.449 in there. Yeah. 855

00:51:05.820 --> 00:51:06.039 Wow. 856 00:51:07.260 --> 00:51:09.079 Oh, that's too bad. Moody Mongol. 857 00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:11.880 So that was officially authorized. It was a, it was 858 00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:14.599 a project. It was a, is, was there a name 859 00:51:14.739 --> 00:51:15.429 to that project? 860 00:51:15.449 --> 00:51:18.909 Oh, I'm sure there was, but I don't recall it. 861 00:51:19.030 --> 00:51:20.469 I don't recall what the name is now. 862 00:51:20.829 --> 00:51:23.849 And then the whole idea of like the aviary and 863 00:51:23.869 --> 00:51:25.730 that sort of, that was, what was that about? 864 00:51:26.750 --> 00:51:32.340 Well, the aviary was created by Jamie Shandera and, um, and, and, and, 865 00:51:32.460 --> 00:51:36.230 and others. I can't think of her name. Uh, Tracy, 866 00:51:39.269 --> 00:51:45.690 what's her name? Anyways, that was created by them because 867 00:51:46.010 --> 00:51:51.059 of the working group that I was a part of 868 00:51:51.820 --> 00:52:01.210 that Hal put off, Kit Green, Scott, what's his name? 869 00:52:02.389 --> 00:52:07.739 Senator Pell's aide. and others that we would meet. Richard 870 00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:11.219 Helms was actually the Falcon. He was the part of 871 00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:14.039 the control. I was just a really low person on 872 00:52:14.889 --> 00:52:19.070 the totem pole, so to speak. And I did a 873 00:52:19.090 --> 00:52:20.849 lot of fetching things for them. 874 00:52:21.150 --> 00:52:24.329 And- Interesting too, when he was on that television show, 875 00:52:24.349 --> 00:52:27.349 he was in shadow with a voice disguiser. And for 876 00:52:28.130 --> 00:52:30.309 quite a long time, I believe he denied that that 877 00:52:30.369 --> 00:52:33.070 was him, but now he's fessing up, I guess. 878 00:52:33.090 --> 00:52:36.769 The security- clearances and stuff for them when they had meetings. 879 00:52:37.789 --> 00:52:42.489 And Jamie Shandera got wind of that. And he named 880 00:52:42.530 --> 00:52:46.619 these people the Avery. We, we found out about that 881 00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:50.559 after the, after, you know, it was out in the public. 882 00:52:50.659 --> 00:52:53.340 I think, uh, Phil Klass. 883 00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:54.079 Yeah. 884 00:52:54.139 --> 00:52:54.760 Phil Klass was. 885 00:52:56.539 --> 00:52:57.449 Interesting stuff. 886 00:52:57.619 --> 00:52:59.809 You can watch it on YouTube. 887 00:52:59.969 --> 00:53:01.809 And not something I've ever talked about before, but, um, 888 00:53:03.820 --> 00:53:10.320 So in, there is evidence that I have that shows, 889 00:53:10.340 --> 00:53:12.340 you're familiar with David Copperfield? 890 00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:13.059 Yes. 891 00:53:13.420 --> 00:53:18.090 His father was stationed in Roswell. I have a picture 892 00:53:18.110 --> 00:53:21.949 of his ID from 1945 at Roswell Air Force Base. 893 00:53:22.889 --> 00:53:23.929 And he was counterintelligence. 894 00:53:25.429 --> 00:53:25.670 Wow. 895

00:53:26.050 --> 00:53:26.530 At Roswell. 896 00:53:27.030 --> 00:53:27.610 I didn't know that. 897 00:53:27.829 --> 00:53:29.170 Now I have, yeah, not a lot of people do. 898 00:53:29.909 --> 00:53:35.320 Nobody does actually. But I did some digging because I 899 00:53:35.340 --> 00:53:37.699 just thought this was an interesting overlap as well, being 900 00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:44.699 that the most recognizable deception artist of our time, David Copperfield, 901 00:53:45.500 --> 00:53:47.500 had a father who may or may not have been 902 00:53:47.539 --> 00:53:51.360 part of the Roswell cover-up. It was the driving force 903 00:53:51.989 --> 00:53:55.809 for David's show in Vegas for many, many years, which 904 00:53:55.829 --> 00:53:58.510 involved a UFO, an alien, like he had this whole 905 00:53:58.789 --> 00:54:02.230 Vegas show. And what started that was him going through 906 00:54:02.250 --> 00:54:05.690 his father's things when his father passed and finding his ID. 907 00:54:06.269 --> 00:54:06.869 Never do that. 908 00:54:06.989 --> 00:54:10.250 Yeah. So there's his ID. And if, if you see here, 909 00:54:10.269 --> 00:54:16.090 it says, uh, squadron C six. And that's not an actual, uh, 910 00:54:16.570 --> 00:54:18.159 squadron that flew. 911 00:54:22.300 --> 00:54:22.699 Wow. 912 00:54:23.139 --> 00:54:24.340 Yeah. It's kind of interesting. 913 00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:25.039 Obviously it's not. 914 00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:25.340 Yeah. 915 00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:31.389 David Copperfield, uh, That's amazing. His father was a disinformation agent. 916 00:54:32.710 --> 00:54:33.130 Interesting. 917 00:54:33.170 --> 00:54:34.030 Very interesting. 918 00:54:34.070 --> 00:54:34.309 Yeah. 919 00:54:34.349 --> 00:54:37.550 So he might have known more than... I believe his 920 00:54:37.590 --> 00:54:39.409 mother was also stationed there near Roswell. 921 00:54:39.469 --> 00:54:39.570 Oh. 922 00:54:40.289 --> 00:54:40.650 So, yeah. 923 00:54:41.809 --> 00:54:43.469 Interesting. Yeah, he is good at it. 924 00:54:43.489 --> 00:54:47.019 Were you ever tasked... You're right. That's the argument. 925 00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:55.739 You know, whether it's John Ramirez, who is here as well, who's, 926 00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:58.539 you know, ex-CIA, Lou Elizondo. And we know for a 927 00:54:58.579 --> 00:55:06.289 fact now that you're never fully an ex-information agent. You 928 00:55:06.329 --> 00:55:08.829 know what I mean? Were there ever instances where you 929 00:55:08.849 --> 00:55:11.150 were called upon? And I'm not going to ask you 930 00:55:11.190 --> 00:55:13.650 for specifics if those are classified, but were there ever 931 00:55:13.710 --> 00:55:17.519 instances that you were called upon after you left the 932 00:55:17.619 --> 00:55:19.980 OSI that had to do with UFOs? 933 00:55:20.860 --> 00:55:21.019 Yes. 934 00:55:21.820 --> 00:55:29.960 Okay. Would that be prior to 2015 or after? 935 00:55:30.980 --> 00:55:31.280 Prior. 936 00:55:31.659 -->

00:55:32.639 Prior. Never after? 937 00:55:33.019 --> 00:55:34.260 No, never after. Okay. 938 00:55:34.300 --> 00:55:35.960 And this was between 2002, 2003, and 2015. Yeah, well, 939 00:55:35.980 --> 00:55:37.199 he's got his own pervy island. 940 00:55:37.219 --> 00:55:38.380 I left government service in 1988. I was recalled in 941 00:55:38.380 --> 00:55:39.360 1991 to work on a project. 942 00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:57.050 And again in 94. After 2002, I was a contract 943 00:55:57.110 --> 00:55:58.010 employee for a while. 944 00:55:59.269 --> 00:56:01.969 You were a contract employee for the OSI? 945 00:56:01.989 --> 00:56:03.809 I was a government whore wrangler, yes. 946 00:56:03.829 --> 00:56:05.250 I believe it at U.S. Intelligence. 947 00:56:05.590 --> 00:56:05.909 At U.S. 948 00:56:05.929 --> 00:56:08.739 Intelligence. And it had to do with the UFO topic. 949 00:56:09.780 --> 00:56:15.210 Not all of it. I would say 50-50. 950 00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:22.119 Was that in a monitoring capacity or in a sort 951 00:56:22.139 --> 00:56:25.349 of did you have to inject yourself into this in 952 00:56:25.409 --> 00:56:31.139 order to, uh, you know, throw, throw some information into 953 00:56:31.179 --> 00:56:34.300 the mix that perhaps wasn't true? No, no. 954 00:56:35.179 --> 00:56:39.530 Um, I worked for Dr. Putoff from 94 to 2007. Yeah. 955 00:56:39.550 --> 00:56:42.130 Isn't that interesting? 956 00:56:42.469 --> 00:56:43.329 Small world. 957 00:56:43.530 --> 00:56:47.150 I see. I understand that. Someone else was interested in 958 00:56:47.170 --> 00:56:47.969 how put offs work. 959 00:56:49.610 --> 00:56:49.820 Okay. 960 00:56:50.539 --> 00:56:50.780 Wow. 961 00:56:50.860 --> 00:56:52.619 Interesting. Would Hal be aware of that? You think? 962 00:56:52.659 --> 00:56:54.320 Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. 963 00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:56.340 Smart guy. 964 00:56:56.960 --> 00:56:57.719 Brilliant person. 965 00:56:57.800 --> 00:56:58.000 Yeah. 966 00:56:58.059 --> 00:56:59.199 Can't put much past him. 967 00:56:59.219 --> 00:56:59.619 No. 968 00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:01.539 How many saps do you think he was right into? 969 00:57:02.420 --> 00:57:02.639 Yeah. 970 00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:06.179 Can't put much past him. He was in Scientology, a 971 00:57:06.260 --> 00:57:09.969 literal cult. And he believed that he got superpowers from 972 00:57:10.010 --> 00:57:13.050 taking psychology classes. I'll put off. 973 00:57:13.150 --> 00:57:16.849 I mean, you know, it was so much when I 974 00:57:16.889 --> 00:57:21.489 first started working for him, uh, I didn't have a, I, 975 00:57:21.869 --> 00:57:24.829 it took a while for me to get a DARPA clearance. Okay. 976 00:57:25.949 --> 00:57:28.219 And he would be working on things in his own 977 00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:31.880 skiff and, and I would, he would tease me, but 978 00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:35.920 he would never tell me. But, um, when I got 979 00:57:35.940 --> 00:57:39.480 the clearance, um, I, it was only on a

need 980 00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:42.349 to know, uh, there were times when I would go 981 00:57:42.409 --> 00:57:44.789 into the skiff and there would be a meeting and 982 00:57:44.809 --> 00:57:47.250 we'd sit and talk. And then there were, you know, 983 00:57:47.269 --> 00:57:50.949 we'd talk for an hour. the scientists and other techs. 984 00:57:51.489 --> 00:57:56.070 And then he'd say, Rick, bye. And I'd leave. And 985 00:57:56.090 --> 00:57:58.329 they were working on something that I didn't have access to. 986 00:57:58.389 --> 00:58:02.730 I just didn't have a know. But I would say 987 00:58:03.250 --> 00:58:09.739 dozens and probably more. He had, and this isn't a secret, 988 00:58:09.860 --> 00:58:12.400 but he had, or a proprietary, because there's a lot 989 00:58:12.420 --> 00:58:13.480 of things I can't talk about. 990 00:58:14.300 --> 00:58:17.360 He had- Yeah, it's all classified. Can't talk about that. 991 00:58:17.460 --> 00:58:23.510 In a certain area of the lab, pieces of extraterrestrial 992 00:58:23.550 --> 00:58:26.179 material that he was trying to figure out. 993 00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:29.099 And is that part of the reason why you were contracted? 994 00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:31.440 He had pieces of spaceships? Really? 995 00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:35.460 Partially? 996 00:58:35.539 --> 00:58:41.030 No, partially. It was because of my counterintelligence work and 997 00:58:41.750 --> 00:58:44.730 what I could do and what I could... Because a 998 00:58:44.769 --> 00:58:46.489 lot of what I did was I went out to 999 00:58:46.530 --> 00:58:49.289 talk to people. He would send me out to interview 1000 00:58:49.369 --> 00:58:54.610 people that had some connections. I interviewed, you know, we 1001 00:58:54.630 --> 00:58:57.090 went to South Dakota and I went to South Dakota 1002 00:58:57.130 --> 00:58:59.110 with some other people in the lab to dug up 1003 00:58:59.179 --> 00:59:04.380 something because in 1958, I think it was. 1004 00:59:05.059 --> 00:59:08.179 So he just said that Al Potthoff had pieces of 1005 00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:11.710 alien spaceships in his lab. Come on, man. 1006 00:59:13.369 --> 00:59:16.130 Can't remember what year, but in the 50s or early 60s, 1007 00:59:16.150 --> 00:59:22.730 UFO had crashed on this rancher's land. And he never 1008 00:59:22.789 --> 00:59:25.230 told anybody about it. He buried it. 1009 00:59:25.489 --> 00:59:25.869 No way. 1010 00:59:26.469 --> 00:59:30.429 Yeah, he buried it. And his grandson... is the one 1011 00:59:30.449 --> 00:59:33.130 that got a hold of somebody who got a hold 1012 00:59:33.170 --> 00:59:36.429 of somebody who got a hold of Dr. Putoff. And 1013 00:59:36.449 --> 00:59:40.050 then I was the one that went to South Dakota 1014 00:59:40.510 --> 00:59:44.639 to try to find what did you bury. And the 1015 00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:51.019 only thing that the grandson knew, because his grandfather was 1016 00:59:51.059 --> 00:59:53.139 dead and his father was dead, it was just a grandson. 1017 00:59:53.300 --> 00:59:53.519 Yeah. 1018 00:59:54.340 --> 00:59:56.159 And it was that it was buried in this one 1019 00:59:56.199 --> 00:59:59.230 area that there's no, nothing grows around it. 1020 00:59:59.519 --> 00:59:59.719 Hmm. 1021 01:00:00.460 --> 01:00:02.579 And they water it and water it and nothing grows. 1022 01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:05.420 So this was the place. 1023 01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:09.460 Why can't he tell us where that is so we 1024 01:00:09.500 --> 01:00:12.420 can go dig up the alien spaceship? Isn't that convenient? 1025 01:00:12.539 --> 01:00:15.219 I know exactly where somebody buried an alien spaceship. 1026 01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:17.699 That's about all I get to talk about. 1027 01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:21.280 Did you see anything? 1028 01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:23.179 We saw a lot. 1029 01:00:24.050 --> 01:00:25.070 You saw what they took out. 1030 01:00:25.030 --> 01:00:25.360 Of the ground? 1031 01:00:27.340 --> 01:00:30.980 Somebody saw what was taken out of the ground, and 1032 01:00:31.500 --> 01:00:34.070 it went someplace. But at that time, it was turned 1033 01:00:34.090 --> 01:00:34.769 over to the government. 1034 01:00:36.429 --> 01:00:36.829 Right, Pat? 1035 01:00:38.750 --> 01:00:39.349 No, this is. 1036 01:00:39.449 --> 01:00:42.289 From the 1970s to the present, he drifted to the government. 1037 01:00:42.389 --> 01:00:42.650 Yes. 1038 01:00:42.809 --> 01:00:45.099 Probably Goon Lake, I guess. This was in. 1039 01:00:46.829 --> 01:00:50.190 Yeah. You're right. 1040 01:00:50.190 --> 01:00:50.949 2002, I think. 1041 01:00:51.110 --> 01:00:51.489 Okay. 1042 01:00:51.570 --> 01:00:54.480 Interferes with all kinds of stuff. Yes, full of shit. 1043 01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:55.699 I believe you are correct. 1044 01:00:55.739 --> 01:00:57.619 And the crash would have happened in the 50s or 1045 01:00:57.639 --> 01:00:58.500 the early 60s. 1046 01:00:58.539 --> 01:00:58.739 Yeah. 1047 01:00:59.119 --> 01:00:59.340 Yeah. 1048 01:00:59.980 --> 01:01:01.619 Hooker, agent of shield. 1049 01:01:01.780 --> 01:01:03.619 Was that near any type of radar base? 1050 01:01:03.639 --> 01:01:04.739 Why would they send him there? 1051 01:01:06.230 --> 01:01:18.380 It was southwest corner of the state. South of Keystone. 1052 01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:20.920 It was just... Yeah. 1053 01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:21.500 So. 1054 01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:24.400 I don't... You know, there's Ellsworth Air Force Base. It's 1055 01:01:24.420 --> 01:01:28.579 still there. It was a couple hundred miles from there. But. 1056 01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:31.699 Was... You know, I think it. 1057 01:01:31.699 --> 01:01:35.550 Was actually near.... 1058 01:01:35.980 --> 01:01:36.139 No. 1059 01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:39.429 Later on, a Minuteman site. 1060 01:01:39.909 --> 01:01:40.179 Okay. 1061 01:01:40.570 --> 01:01:43.429 But... Yeah. It didn't have one there. 1062 01:01:43.449 --> 01:01:49.360 Well, that's really interesting. And that's...

So you were right 1063 01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:51.679 into that program. You were right into that recovery then, 1064 01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:52.079 I guess. 1065 01:01:53.199 --> 01:01:57.929 I was right into it, yeah. Well, partially. I didn't 1066 01:01:58.010 --> 01:02:04.449 handle anything. I didn't analyze anything. I just set everything up, 1067 01:02:04.590 --> 01:02:06.090 and then other people came in and did it. 1068 01:02:06.090 --> 01:02:06.909 So you had partial access. 1069 01:02:07.070 --> 01:02:09.889 He was just there to see the spaceship, yeah. 1070 01:02:10.469 --> 01:02:11.590 Yeah, just limited. 1071 01:02:12.030 --> 01:02:18.590 Limited. And how many limited... partial accesses have you had 1072 01:02:18.630 --> 01:02:21.519 to other crashes would you say. 1073 01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:24.599 He should wear a trust me brochure but that was 1074 01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:28.659 that was during my osi career yeah yeah that was 1075 01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:31.159 in the 70s so you had you had yeah i 1076 01:02:31.179 --> 01:02:37.070 was actually at one i was there uh but the 1077 01:02:37.090 --> 01:02:41.210 crash happened years before but they found it. 1078 01:02:41.170 --> 01:02:42.849 Yeah he just played in the spaceship and uh. 1079 01:02:45.179 --> 01:02:49.239 I went there as part of a team to do 1080 01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:53.739 the counterintelligence work regarding the people that found the crash site. 1081 01:02:54.010 --> 01:02:58.489 But this crash site was in 60, sometime in the 60s. 1082 01:02:58.570 --> 01:03:00.690 And it was undiscovered. 1083 01:03:00.710 --> 01:03:10.190 And a mining exploration team from some company was doing 1084 01:03:10.230 --> 01:03:13.630 work in this shaft. And they found it in this 1085 01:03:13.989 --> 01:03:19.849 mine shaft. And now that's another, I mean, I don't 1086 01:03:19.929 --> 01:03:20.809 know anything. 1087 01:03:20.929 --> 01:03:23.090 Golden Times again sent one kick. 1088 01:03:23.550 --> 01:03:27.929 And hold on, we have some kick supporters for once. 1089 01:03:28.260 --> 01:03:33.280 Great. Sonic Voyager just gifted a sub. So we thank 1090 01:03:33.320 --> 01:03:37.340 Sonic Voyager for their kindness, generosity, and big, big support 1091 01:03:37.380 --> 01:03:39.480 of the show. Thank you so much for the gifted sub. 1092 01:03:39.539 --> 01:03:43.309 And Golden Times again. Sent 10 kicks. Thank you for 1093 01:03:43.349 --> 01:03:46.869 your kindness, generosity, and support of the show. We love 1094 01:03:46.889 --> 01:03:48.949 the kick support, mostly because we get to keep most 1095 01:03:49.010 --> 01:03:52.010 of it. So thank you, kick supporters. It really makes 1096 01:03:52.050 --> 01:03:53.070 a difference in our month. 1097 01:03:53.130 --> 01:03:53.690 Went on site. 1098 01:03:53.909 --> 01:04:01.409 We went on site. It was assumed because of a 1099 01:04:01.449 --> 01:04:06.090 lot of factors that the other investigators, not me, because 1100 01:04:06.110 --> 01:04:06.909 of where it was. 1101 01:04:06.949 --> 01:04:09.489 You're correct. We talked about that in the beginning of 1102 01:04:09.510 --> 01:04:10.369 the show, Moody Mongle. 1103 01:04:11.219 --> 01:04:14.679 Here outside this mine shaft and these miners they know 1104 01:04:14.699 --> 01:04:16.900 what to do with it so they put it in 1105 01:04:16.920 --> 01:04:20.429 the mine shaft and you know they had it in 1106 01:04:20.469 --> 01:04:22.409 there and i don't know why they never reported to 1107 01:04:22.449 --> 01:04:26.050 anybody or maybe they did uh there's no record that 1108 01:04:26.269 --> 01:04:28.469 that i know maybe there were records i you know 1109 01:04:28.750 --> 01:04:30.150 don't hold me to that because. 1110 01:04:29.989 --> 01:04:33.659 So so far we know that richard doughty knows exact 1111 01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:38.039 the exact location of two alien spaceships on earth why 1112 01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:41.099 would he keep that to himself why does he It 1113 01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:42.599 shows where the spaceships are. 1114 01:04:43.739 --> 01:04:46.679 We went there, and they had found it in the shaft. 1115 01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:48.090 And they extracted it? 1116 01:04:48.090 --> 01:04:49.989 They extracted it. The government. 1117 01:04:50.090 --> 01:04:52.309 His whole family was involved with UFOs and disinformation. 1118 01:04:52.329 --> 01:04:54.829 Especially the Downing Crap Recovery Team did it. And they 1119 01:04:54.849 --> 01:04:55.409 pulled it out. 1120 01:04:55.429 --> 01:04:58.030 Not his entire family, but several members of his family. 1121 01:04:58.409 --> 01:05:01.389 It took them. I don't think they even got inside 1122 01:05:01.449 --> 01:05:05.599 of it until they got it to Tonopah. And now 1123 01:05:05.679 --> 01:05:07.940 jump ahead to when I was out there. This was 1124 01:05:07.980 --> 01:05:09.260 before I went to Tonopah. 1125 01:05:10.210 --> 01:05:12.150 I mean, we need a good drift off when they 1126 01:05:12.190 --> 01:05:13.610 contradict each other. Yes. 1127 01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:16.360 Um, I checked on that while I was there. 1128 01:05:16.380 --> 01:05:19.679 Yeah. What is, uh, and they had, they still have 1129 01:05:19.699 --> 01:05:21.059 both famous, I guess. 1130 01:05:21.340 --> 01:05:22.860 I think it did the disc. Yeah, it was a 1131 01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:25.619 disc and, and it was a small one. It was 1132 01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:26.760 not that big. 1133 01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:29.309 It was, uh, you saw it. 1134 01:05:29.559 --> 01:05:30.659 Yeah. I saw the craft. 1135 01:05:30.699 --> 01:05:30.800 Yeah. 1136 01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:32.420 It was there at the crash site and I saw 1137 01:05:32.460 --> 01:05:33.079 him pull it out. 1138 01:05:33.099 --> 01:05:36.119 And it was, it was one shred of evidence. 1139 01:05:36.380 --> 01:05:36.519 Yeah. 1140 01:05:36.539 --> 01:05:40.280 It's probably, um, Five feet in diameter. 1141 01:05:41.880 -->

01:05:44.400 Let's be some pretty small aliens. 1142 01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:45.880 They couldn't find an opening. 1143 01:05:45.900 --> 01:05:48.409 So it was like a solid... Well, they. 1144 01:05:48.329 --> 01:05:52.070 Did eventually, but not during that time. When I was there, 1145 01:05:52.230 --> 01:05:53.170 I didn't see any. 1146 01:05:53.329 --> 01:05:54.610 How long did it take them to get in? 1147 01:05:55.090 --> 01:05:57.449 I don't know. Like I said, that was 1980, 81. 1148 01:05:57.449 --> 01:06:04.400 I was there in 84. They got it open four years, maybe. 1149 01:06:04.619 --> 01:06:05.320 Three or four years. 1150 01:06:05.539 --> 01:06:06.500 Took them four years to open it? 1151 01:06:06.500 --> 01:06:07.679 I don't know exactly how they did that. 1152 01:06:07.820 --> 01:06:08.869 Plasma cutters or. 1153 01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:14.150 something. And what I don't know is whether they found 1154 01:06:14.170 --> 01:06:17.050 bodies in there. It would have had to been many bodies. 1155 01:06:17.130 --> 01:06:18.989 I mean, they might have had to be two feet tall. 1156 01:06:19.010 --> 01:06:21.590 It was very small. It was like a drone ship 1157 01:06:21.630 --> 01:06:21.929 or something. 1158 01:06:22.190 --> 01:06:25.659 It could very well be. I think somebody told me 1159 01:06:26.500 --> 01:06:31.079 that was probably a scout ship that crashed for some reason. 1160 01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:32.880 There was damage. 1161 01:06:32.940 --> 01:06:36.739 It's funny because they couldn't get in it, but part 1162 01:06:36.780 --> 01:06:42.090 of it was indented. I guess when it hit the ground, 1163 01:06:42.429 --> 01:06:45.329 I don't know exactly how, but there was part of 1164 01:06:45.349 --> 01:06:46.190 it that was indented. 1165 01:06:46.210 --> 01:06:49.719 Getting sick in here. I'm going to need waiters soon. 1166 01:06:49.739 --> 01:06:53.039 Of course, I don't know technology like others do. 1167 01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:58.800 Wasn't the recovery of an alien spacecraft in his official 1168 01:06:58.900 --> 01:07:02.860 duty capacity be considered something classified? How can he just 1169 01:07:02.900 --> 01:07:06.300 go on YouTube and just tell everybody about it? This is... 1170 01:07:07.099 --> 01:07:08.380 This is total horseshit. 1171 01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:11.340 It takes them so long. I mean, we had diamond 1172 01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:14.360 cutters and all sorts of things back in those days. 1173 01:07:15.260 --> 01:07:17.059 But they obviously got it open. 1174 01:07:17.179 --> 01:07:18.440 They were baby Nordics. 1175 01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:19.760 I was never privy to that. 1176 01:07:20.260 --> 01:07:22.539 Was that the first time you saw with your own 1177 01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:26.440 eyes a UFO? Was that the last? 1178 01:07:27.340 --> 01:07:27.480 No. 1179 01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:32.460 Let's go. Tell me about another UFO you saw. 1180 01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:36.320 While I was at, I can't, I got to be 1181 01:07:36.380 --> 01:07:38.210 very careful. Be careful. 1182 01:07:38.329 --> 01:07:40.969 It's classified, but I'll talk about it on YouTube. 1183 01:07:41.750 --> 01:07:45.210 The story I gave you earlier about being on call 1184 01:07:45.269 --> 01:07:48.840 and getting a call, I did. Me and my partner 1185 01:07:48.860 --> 01:07:51.360 went out to a place outside. 1186 01:07:51.380 --> 01:07:52.260 I agree. 1187 01:07:52.280 --> 01:07:55.880 The Dallas Tussle Training Range up near Warm Springs. There 1188 01:07:55.900 --> 01:07:59.820 had been a crash. And that's about all I can 1189 01:08:00.380 --> 01:08:00.940 talk about it. 1190 01:08:01.039 --> 01:08:05.090 The most closely guarded government. secret in history, but though 1191 01:08:05.130 --> 01:08:07.389 he's allowed to go on YouTube and tell everybody all 1192 01:08:07.429 --> 01:08:11.409 about the alien spaceships that he recovered that was all 1193 01:08:11.469 --> 01:08:14.369 classified while he did classified work for the Air Force. 1194 01:08:14.489 --> 01:08:18.270 Come on. Like, it just doesn't even make any sense. 1195 01:08:18.789 --> 01:08:23.489 There's a lot of other things that happened that could 1196 01:08:23.529 --> 01:08:24.850 very well still be classified. 1197 01:08:26.229 --> 01:08:27.390 Were there beings involved? 1198 01:08:27.430 --> 01:08:27.630 Yes. 1199 01:08:27.970 --> 01:08:28.710 You saw the beings? 1200 01:08:29.109 --> 01:08:30.130 I didn't see the beings, no. 1201 01:08:30.310 --> 01:08:30.750 You saw the craft? 1202 01:08:30.770 --> 01:08:33.989 The beings were, well... Let me say this. When I 1203 01:08:34.029 --> 01:08:34.569 got there. 1204 01:08:34.590 --> 01:08:36.130 It was cleaned up? 1205 01:08:36.149 --> 01:08:37.989 No, the bodies were covered. 1206 01:08:38.010 --> 01:08:38.930 Oh, I see. 1207 01:08:39.369 --> 01:08:42.460 So I didn't actually, I can't say, you know, I'd say, yeah, 1208 01:08:42.539 --> 01:08:45.000 I saw the body. Well, no, they're covered. So I'm 1209 01:08:45.020 --> 01:08:46.659 not going to say that because I didn't see the bodies. 1210 01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:50.100 I don't know what they, they looked probably at least 1211 01:08:50.100 --> 01:08:51.329 five foot. I'm just looking at it. 1212 01:08:51.329 --> 01:08:53.189 Yeah, you assumed that those were alien bodies. 1213 01:08:53.189 --> 01:08:55.189 Yeah, I assumed they were alien bodies. Yeah, I think 1214 01:08:55.220 --> 01:08:58.720 they were covered up. The other agent that came later 1215 01:08:58.880 --> 01:09:01.000 that had access to everything in the world. 1216 01:09:01.119 --> 01:09:04.779 You show up to a UFO crash and there's covered bodies. 1217 01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:07.180 Wouldn't you go over and uncover them and take a look? 1218 01:09:07.579 --> 01:09:10.649 I'm pretty sure most people would, but he didn't do that. 1219 01:09:10.930 --> 01:09:11.489 Come on. 1220 01:09:11.510 --> 01:09:16.949 About that. He took over. I was just, remember I

1221 01:09:16.970 --> 01:09:17.949 was a duty on call. 1222 01:09:17.970 --> 01:09:18.090 Yeah. 1223 01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:20.380 And I went out there initially. 1224 01:09:20.420 --> 01:09:21.119 Yeah, you're right. 1225 01:09:21.180 --> 01:09:24.029 I set up the counterintelligence ring, as we called it. 1226 01:09:24.020 --> 01:09:29.170 It could have been Chinese. The state trooper. 1227 01:09:29.189 --> 01:09:32.130 Yeah, Elmo and Big Bird. 1228 01:09:32.390 --> 01:09:32.729 I know. 1229 01:09:32.750 --> 01:09:35.329 I have kids. Reminds me of Sesame Street. 1230 01:09:35.390 --> 01:09:36.310 That was on scene. 1231 01:09:36.810 --> 01:09:37.909 Dirty, dirty. 1232 01:09:38.250 --> 01:09:39.729 You had to debrief them. 1233 01:09:39.770 --> 01:09:40.850 I did all that stuff. 1234 01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:46.159 Do weapons tests like Rendlesham Force. Could be Moody Mongol. 1235 01:09:46.199 --> 01:09:46.579 Who knows? 1236 01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:55.750 They contracted a trucking company. out of Hawthorne. 1237 01:09:55.789 --> 01:09:57.489 Cutting up aliens and time traveling. 1238 01:09:57.770 --> 01:10:02.229 To come and put it on a flatbed. I guess 1239 01:10:02.260 --> 01:10:04.140 we didn't have one. We had a government in them. 1240 01:10:04.979 --> 01:10:08.140 And I had to make that arrangements with that trucking company. 1241 01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:12.979 And I had to make sure that the driver... This 1242 01:10:13.100 --> 01:10:16.979 is funny. When I was making the arrangements.... 1243 01:10:17.670 --> 01:10:21.819 Okay, so the government's recovered a flying saucer, an alien spaceship, 1244 01:10:22.300 --> 01:10:24.199 but they don't have a truck they can put it on, 1245 01:10:24.300 --> 01:10:27.880 so Doty has to find a trucking company. If you 1246 01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:31.680 had the most secret thing in the universe in your possession, 1247 01:10:31.819 --> 01:10:33.840 an alien spaceship, you're just going to put it on 1248 01:10:33.859 --> 01:10:37.739 the back of a civilian's truck and hope for the best? 1249 01:10:38.039 --> 01:10:41.920 This is just so stupid. Wouldn't the government be able 1250 01:10:41.960 --> 01:10:46.310 to get a flatbed from any army base? All army 1251 01:10:46.350 --> 01:10:47.789 bases have flatbed trucks. 1252 01:10:48.029 --> 01:10:50.170 Hawthorne. And there's an army base. 1253 01:10:50.210 --> 01:10:52.050 And there's army bases all over the place. 1254 01:10:52.130 --> 01:10:55.770 Sarah Hawthorne in Nevada. It's a depot where they make bombs. 1255 01:10:56.250 --> 01:10:59.489 And so this trucking company worked out there a lot. 1256 01:10:59.550 --> 01:11:00.829 They're used to like classified. 1257 01:11:00.850 --> 01:11:02.180 I don't know. It's hard. 1258 01:11:02.229 --> 01:11:03.260 It's hard to pick one. 1259 01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:06.479 So I said, I need a driver that had been 1260 01:11:06.500 --> 01:11:09.199 in the military and they can take orders. 1261 01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:11.979 No, Ballet said a lot of stuff. The woman I was. 1262 01:11:11.899 --> 01:11:13.170 Coordinating this with said, why? 1263 01:11:14.279 --> 01:11:14.479 Why? 1264 01:11:15.899 --> 01:11:18.359 Because I just need it or we'll have to go 1265 01:11:18.399 --> 01:11:21.189 to another trucking company. She said, we, we, we take 1266 01:11:21.789 --> 01:11:25.430 bombs all the time out to Hawthorne. And I said, listen, man, 1267 01:11:25.470 --> 01:11:29.029 this is what I need. So I get this guy, 1268 01:11:29.609 --> 01:11:33.659 he's the foreman of the, of a certain section of 1269 01:11:33.699 --> 01:11:38.020 the trucking company. He, you know, I go there and 1270 01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:39.460 I sit him down. I said, you're going to, you're 1271 01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:40.979 going to pick something up and you're going to take 1272 01:11:41.020 --> 01:11:44.699 it from here to there. And he said, okay. I said, 1273 01:11:44.779 --> 01:11:47.779 you know, you can't ask questions. My lips are sealed. 1274 01:11:49.079 --> 01:11:52.300 I said, so you agree to do this? You agree 1275 01:11:52.319 --> 01:11:55.319 to sign this? He said, I've done it before. I said, 1276 01:11:55.340 --> 01:11:57.909 you've done it before? He said, yeah. You're talking about 1277 01:11:57.930 --> 01:12:03.409 these round things? I said, what do you mean round things? 1278 01:12:03.470 --> 01:12:06.189 He said, well, before I picked up a round thing 1279 01:12:06.210 --> 01:12:10.649 and took it out to the base. okay, you're the guy. 1280 01:12:11.439 --> 01:12:11.649 Wow. 1281 01:12:11.909 --> 01:12:12.699 You're the guy I want. 1282 01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:13.579 Yeah, what are the odds? 1283 01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:14.970 And so, you know, he went and. 1284 01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:18.460 Oh, Richard Dirty just happened upon a truck driver that 1285 01:12:19.640 --> 01:12:24.159 already was transporting flying saucers for the government, right? Oh, 1286 01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:26.260 come on. This is such horseshit. 1287 01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:27.119 Did the thing. 1288 01:12:27.619 --> 01:12:29.409 Do you think he just makes this shit up on 1289 01:12:29.430 --> 01:12:32.850 the fly or does he have, like, does he have, like, 1290 01:12:33.649 --> 01:12:37.989 pre-imagined stories to tell stupid people? 1291 01:12:38.869 --> 01:12:40.680 You watch it happen? No, no. 1292 01:12:41.159 --> 01:12:43.119 No, the other agent that was in charge of that. 1293 01:12:43.420 --> 01:12:44.399 I did all this setup. 1294 01:12:44.460 --> 01:12:46.159 All the paperwork stuff, all the setup. 1295 01:12:46.279 --> 01:12:48.159 I did that. I was not there during that time. 1296 01:12:48.180 --> 01:12:49.039 That's what counterintelligence does. 1297 01:12:49.060 --> 01:12:50.239 Stories don't make sense, though. 1298 01:12:50.279 --> 01:12:54.850 They funnel all the information. You create the classifications. You 1299 01:12:55.119 --> 01:12:55.890 debrief the people. 1300

01:12:55.970 --> 01:12:57.409 I take bombs all the time. 1301 01:12:57.430 --> 01:12:59.590 Tell the agents what to tell the press, like that 1302 01:12:59.630 --> 01:13:00.210 type of thing, right? 1303 01:13:00.430 --> 01:13:05.270 Exactly. And the craft itself, that's the other guys. 1304 01:13:06.170 --> 01:13:07.710 Did you have conversations with those guys? 1305 01:13:08.850 --> 01:13:10.890 I would have to coordinate. Yeah. It would be coordination. 1306 01:13:11.069 --> 01:13:16.600 I mean, philosophical conversations. Did you guys speak about the origins? 1307 01:13:16.659 --> 01:13:18.819 Did you guys speak about, you know, what you think 1308 01:13:18.859 --> 01:13:20.279 it is like off record? 1309 01:13:20.340 --> 01:13:21.340 Yeah, of course. 1310 01:13:21.359 --> 01:13:21.979 Yeah. Yeah. 1311 01:13:22.619 --> 01:13:22.899 Yeah. 1312 01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:27.060 And, and were they able to give you information that 1313 01:13:27.100 --> 01:13:30.609 you had never even thought of or did they seem 1314 01:13:31.109 --> 01:13:36.550 legitimately like really well versed in this topic? Like they'd like, 1315 01:13:36.710 --> 01:13:40.909 they had information. that was really pertinent to this, like, 1316 01:13:41.060 --> 01:13:44.539 like origin or reason or, you know, whom, why, where, what, 1317 01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:48.039 like all these speculative things that we talk about. Did 1318 01:13:48.060 --> 01:13:49.220 you get access to some of that? 1319 01:13:49.479 --> 01:13:49.680 No. 1320 01:13:49.720 --> 01:13:50.739 Through those conversations? 1321 01:13:51.500 --> 01:13:55.470 We would talk philosophically, but I didn't have a need 1322 01:13:55.510 --> 01:13:58.409 to know. Right. So it was all that information. And 1323 01:13:58.430 --> 01:14:00.949 I tell you what, within the intelligence community, I don't 1324 01:14:00.989 --> 01:14:04.250 care if you're my best friend, you might be able 1325 01:14:04.270 --> 01:14:06.649 to take a bullet for me. You know, we wore 1326 01:14:06.689 --> 01:14:09.760 guns too, remember? Uh, but I, I'm not going to, 1327 01:14:09.899 --> 01:14:11.640 I'm not going to tell you something. 1328 01:14:11.659 --> 01:14:13.579 You're not going to break your, you're not going to 1329 01:14:13.619 --> 01:14:13.899 do that. 1330 01:14:14.260 --> 01:14:17.529 And that's the way it was. Uh, we would talk philosophically. 1331 01:14:17.550 --> 01:14:18.470 You talk about aliens. 1332 01:14:18.609 --> 01:14:22.149 About, yeah. Like, you know, uh, these guys, I bet 1333 01:14:22.189 --> 01:14:24.430 you there are, I bet there's a base on Mars or, 1334 01:14:24.890 --> 01:14:28.189 you know, we, or maybe, maybe, uh, Venus isn't what it, 1335 01:14:28.189 --> 01:14:31.380 you know, things like that. We would talk about where 1336 01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:34.619 they come from. Maybe they're coming from Mars. Maybe they're 1337 01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:37.960 coming from, uh, Pluto, you know, things like that we 1338 01:14:37.979 --> 01:14:41.100 would talk about, but they would never say, no, they 1339 01:14:41.140 --> 01:14:46.159 came from, you know, Epsilon already or some, you know, no, 1340 01:14:46.170 --> 01:14:46.989 they would never say that. 1341 01:14:47.529 --> 01:14:50.329 It's getting stupider and stupider. 1342 01:14:49.890 --> 01:14:52.369 The longer we listen to it. Man, does that feel 1343 01:14:52.390 --> 01:14:53.489 like seeing something like that? 1344 01:14:54.670 --> 01:14:57.329 Well, going all the way back to my first briefing 1345 01:14:57.390 --> 01:15:02.989 and not believing any of it, every single time I 1346 01:15:05.369 --> 01:15:09.890 was exposed to an extraterrestrial craft or something to do 1347 01:15:10.029 --> 01:15:16.140 with an extraterrestrial being, it strengthened my belief that everything 1348 01:15:16.180 --> 01:15:17.720 that I was briefed on is fact. 1349 01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:20.840 But what did that feel like? 1350 01:15:22.279 --> 01:15:27.199 Scary, in a way, because one of the things... Yeah, and. 1351 01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:28.960 Of all the people in the Air Force, they chose 1352 01:15:29.020 --> 01:15:31.979 to tell Doty the truth about all the aliens. 1353 01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:32.100 Yes. 1354 01:15:33.130 --> 01:15:36.720 And meanwhile, his job was to convince people that they 1355 01:15:36.779 --> 01:15:42.239 were not seeing top-secret Air Force tests. They were seeing 1356 01:15:43.119 --> 01:15:47.060 alien spaceships. And the government also chose him to brief 1357 01:15:47.100 --> 01:15:49.390 him and tell him the truth about everything the government 1358 01:15:49.430 --> 01:15:53.869 knows about the aliens. Bigelow gave Trump between $ 21 and 1359 01:15:53.869 --> 01:15:56.449 $ 21 million for his camping and legal fees. That is 1360 01:15:56.470 --> 01:15:58.170 the exact amount of the contract that was given to 1361 01:15:58.210 --> 01:16:02.590 Bigelow's company, Bass. That's interesting, yes. You hear stories of 1362 01:16:02.630 --> 01:16:04.710 people injured by a UFO. It seems many of them 1363 01:16:04.750 --> 01:16:09.180 are covers for illegal human experiments that injured people. I 1364 01:16:09.220 --> 01:16:12.720 don't believe the Rendlesham event was a real event, Moody Mongol. 1365 01:16:12.779 --> 01:16:25.270 I think it was a misidentification of a lighthouse. Wolfman 1366 01:16:25.329 --> 01:16:27.930 portals and hitchhikers. Yeah, absolutely. 1367 01:16:28.890 --> 01:16:29.649 Let's continue. 1368 01:16:29.670 --> 01:16:29.970 People. 1369 01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:32.100 I don't know how much more of this guy I 1370 01:16:32.100 --> 01:16:35.649 can listen to. It's just getting stupider and stupider. Like 1371 01:16:35.770 --> 01:16:39.130 even just logic debunks this shit. Like, like I said, 1372 01:16:39.350 --> 01:16:42.029 if the government had an alien spaceship that crashed, would 1373 01:16:42.050 --> 01:16:44.970 they really go get a civilian with a

flatbed truck 1374 01:16:44.989 --> 01:16:48.710 to transport it for them? I don't think so, but 1375 01:16:48.750 --> 01:16:49.569 who knows? 1376 01:16:49.609 --> 01:16:51.789 I don't like to talk about it in great details 1377 01:16:52.630 --> 01:16:56.439 is I was brought up a Catholic. I went to 1378 01:16:56.460 --> 01:17:01.250 program school. I was all her boy. I believed in 1379 01:17:01.270 --> 01:17:05.069 God and, you know, did my prayers and did all my, 1380 01:17:05.090 --> 01:17:11.369 you know, confraternity and everything. And I spent some time 1381 01:17:11.409 --> 01:17:13.510 in a monastery before I even went to high school. 1382 01:17:13.529 --> 01:17:14.630 Yeah, exactly. 1383 01:17:14.689 --> 01:17:20.010 So I had a strong religious belief. Now, one of 1384 01:17:20.050 --> 01:17:22.939 the questions that people always ask me and I ask 1385 01:17:22.989 --> 01:17:26.619 myself is, okay, God created the universe. 1386 01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:29.319 Yeah, they just hired Frank with a pickup truck. Did he? 1387 01:17:32.260 --> 01:17:35.640 Um, some of the things we learned or Linda Howe 1388 01:17:35.680 --> 01:17:37.779 was written about EBA one. 1389 01:17:38.979 --> 01:17:40.100 Uh, yeah, I think you're right. 1390 01:17:40.199 --> 01:17:40.399 Yeah. 1391 01:17:40.659 --> 01:17:45.130 Claims that they put a, uh, even on a humanoid 1392 01:17:45.170 --> 01:17:49.149 on a planet 2000 years ago. Was that Jesus? You know, 1393 01:17:49.350 --> 01:17:52.109 these questions I have, you've always had. 1394 01:17:52.229 --> 01:17:55.550 And when I had the briefing, okay. 1395 01:17:55.569 --> 01:17:59.279 Wait a minute. Is this for real? Okay. It's for real. It, 1396 01:18:01.899 --> 01:18:04.100 are these things made by God? This is something I 1397 01:18:04.140 --> 01:18:07.939 think about and other people have too. And if you 1398 01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:11.859 connect the dots, could it affect the way other people 1399 01:18:11.899 --> 01:18:15.949 believe in their religion? And that's something I really don't 1400 01:18:15.989 --> 01:18:20.189 like to get into. I mean, I, I've settled myself, 1401 01:18:20.270 --> 01:18:23.829 but there were other people out there that, you know, the, 1402 01:18:24.189 --> 01:18:28.630 the revelation that this guy, several years ago, I did 1403 01:18:28.949 --> 01:18:33.359 a convention that some of the extraterrestrial, characters are similar 1404 01:18:33.420 --> 01:18:38.039 to Tibetan characters. What does that mean? That they've lived 1405 01:18:38.060 --> 01:18:43.189 here on Earth? They created the Tibetans? You know, there's 1406 01:18:43.229 --> 01:18:44.050 all these questions. 1407 01:18:44.250 --> 01:18:47.210 Uh, stay in your lane, anti-cryptor. 1408 01:18:46.909 --> 01:18:48.130 That people have to think about. 1409 01:18:50.510 --> 01:18:54.289 Yeah, it is, uh, it is pretty, it does get 1410 01:18:54.369 --> 01:18:59.369 pretty existential when you start thinking about that and thinking about, uh, 1411 01:19:01.970 --> 01:19:06.760 you know, the, uh, what that means for us here, 1412 01:19:06.939 --> 01:19:10.649 why we're here, Gotta love his B roll. Why they 1413 01:19:11.109 --> 01:19:14.090 want to be here with us or why their presence 1414 01:19:14.130 --> 01:19:16.470 is here. And I'm looking at the list as I 1415 01:19:16.510 --> 01:19:24.909 speak to you here of like these different, these different names. And, um, I, yes, 1416 01:19:25.010 --> 01:19:29.750 the grand, like personally, I don't know what to make 1417 01:19:29.770 --> 01:19:33.149 of any of this, what to make of, because, you know, 1418 01:19:33.229 --> 01:19:37.119 as you can probably assume someone who's, very well versed 1419 01:19:37.159 --> 01:19:41.180 in counterintelligence. I'm a magician. I'm probably the most skeptical 1420 01:19:41.220 --> 01:19:44.979 person out there in terms of understanding methodry. 1421 01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:47.609 He just said he's the most skeptical person out there. 1422 01:19:47.630 --> 01:19:51.510 This guy who licked the asshole of Bob Lazar, this 1423 01:19:51.590 --> 01:19:55.329 guy who licked the asshole of Travis Walton, this guy 1424 01:19:55.390 --> 01:20:00.529 who licks the asshole of every lying, proven liar, scumbag 1425 01:20:00.869 --> 01:20:05.960 UFO grifter just said he's the most skeptical person. Yeah, 1426 01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:07.880 I really don't think you're very skeptical, dude. 1427 01:20:08.189 --> 01:20:08.970 In terms of.... 1428 01:20:10.470 --> 01:20:13.770 Never asked a skeptical question once. Not once. I've never 1429 01:20:13.829 --> 01:20:15.029 heard him ask even a skeptical question. 1430 01:20:15.050 --> 01:20:19.390 How to obtain information secretly or how to misdirect and 1431 01:20:19.449 --> 01:20:23.289 all of this. You know, I'm given all this, everything 1432 01:20:23.310 --> 01:20:27.399 you're telling me, and it's a melting pot of a 1433 01:20:27.500 --> 01:20:33.079 thousand different things. With all the years that you have... 1434 01:20:33.649 --> 01:20:35.939 you know, built into this and all the information that 1435 01:20:35.949 --> 01:20:38.000 you've gathered, all the secret things that you've seen and 1436 01:20:38.020 --> 01:20:40.659 can't talk about, the people you've spoken with, the projects 1437 01:20:40.680 --> 01:20:41.310 you've worked on. 1438 01:20:41.380 --> 01:20:43.000 Or Stody, seriously, yes. 1439 01:20:44.020 --> 01:20:52.710 Is there one overarching thing that neatly packages everything. 1440 01:20:51.729 --> 01:20:55.369 A la, you know, passport to Magonia. 1441 01:20:55.390 --> 01:20:59.170 Doc Valet, control system, or are we dealing with like 1442 01:20:59.189 --> 01:21:01.199 a thousand separate things? 1443 01:21:02.310 --> 01:21:03.630 They're trying to take my stick. 1444 01:21:03.710 --> 01:21:05.010 You think so? 1445 01:21:05.029 --> 01:21:06.729 He's very skeptical, Spooky. 1446 01:21:06.970 --> 01:21:12.810 The one thing

that convinced me beyond anything else that 1447 01:21:12.909 --> 01:21:17.050 I had access to was listening to this Air Force 1448 01:21:17.090 --> 01:21:23.220 sergeant female who was abducted countless times, went through literally 1449 01:21:23.340 --> 01:21:27.439 torture by these extraterrestrials, having marks on her hands. He 1450 01:21:27.479 --> 01:21:31.829 took her fingernails off, her toenails off. She was bleeding 1451 01:21:31.869 --> 01:21:37.109 from her vaginal area almost after every abductions, bleeding from 1452 01:21:37.149 --> 01:21:37.800 the eye. 1453 01:21:38.270 --> 01:21:41.500 The aliens made her vajayjay bleed. Wait, we got to 1454 01:21:41.539 --> 01:21:45.479 back this. I got to hear this again. The aliens 1455 01:21:45.560 --> 01:21:47.579 made this woman's vajayjay bleed. 1456 01:21:48.060 --> 01:21:53.090 Who was abducted countless times, went through literally torture by 1457 01:21:53.149 --> 01:21:56.890 these extraterrestrials, having marks on her hands. He took her 1458 01:21:57.369 --> 01:22:01.300 fingernails off, her toenails off. She was bleeding from her 1459 01:22:01.399 --> 01:22:04.289 vaginal area almost after every abduction. 1460 01:22:04.310 --> 01:22:06.789 The aliens made her potato bleed! 1461 01:22:06.810 --> 01:22:13.050 In her eyes! Ruptured her eardrum once. And then a 1462 01:22:14.050 --> 01:22:22.119 lot of things that we did in a surveillance capacity. 1463 01:22:21.399 --> 01:22:25.939 To confirm what she says. 1464 01:22:26.020 --> 01:22:31.149 That convinced me that there are They weren't humans doing 1465 01:22:31.210 --> 01:22:38.140 this to her. They were extraterrestrials. Now, were the extraterrestrials interdimensional? 1466 01:22:38.180 --> 01:22:41.359 I don't know. You know, there's an argument that can 1467 01:22:41.380 --> 01:22:45.920 be made. But there were non-humans doing this to her. 1468 01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:50.119 And I wish I could tell you how we know. 1469 01:22:50.640 --> 01:22:54.359 But believe me, the government knows that these were extraterrestrials. 1470 01:22:54.680 --> 01:22:56.260 Aliens love a good program. 1471 01:22:56.300 --> 01:22:56.979 You surveilled it? 1472 01:22:59.289 --> 01:23:01.939 Aliens have extra tacticals? 1473 01:23:02.180 --> 01:23:06.079 I don't know. We knew, based on a lot of 1474 01:23:06.100 --> 01:23:08.939 things that I can't talk about, methods and sources I 1475 01:23:08.979 --> 01:23:13.260 can't ever talk about. But we knew when they were 1476 01:23:13.300 --> 01:23:15.739 going to do this to her. She lived in an 1477 01:23:15.800 --> 01:23:20.229 apartment complex outside Kirtland Air Force Base. She was stationed 1478 01:23:20.270 --> 01:23:27.069 at Kirtland. And she lived in a two-story, real small apartment. 1479 01:23:27.500 --> 01:23:28.079 This makes no. 1480 01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:29.039 Sense, too. 1481 01:23:29.479 --> 01:23:32.100 So we knew when the aliens were going to abduct 1482 01:23:32.149 --> 01:23:33.810 her and do this to her. So you're just going 1483 01:23:33.829 --> 01:23:38.449 to let aliens make a woman's vagina bleed constantly? What, 1484 01:23:38.470 --> 01:23:40.250 do you want to be a hero and stop the 1485 01:23:40.409 --> 01:23:45.340 aliens from making this woman's vagina bleed? Come on, Richard Doty. 1486 01:23:45.689 --> 01:23:51.079 And we knew that she would be taken during a 1487 01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:56.560 time period. And we set up a surveillance. And that's 1488 01:23:56.600 --> 01:23:57.239 about all I can say. 1489 01:23:57.899 --> 01:23:59.939 Alien threat to your BJJ, yes. 1490 01:23:59.979 --> 01:24:03.640 That's a fact. And she's a whistleblower. And she would 1491 01:24:03.699 --> 01:24:07.319 be the number one person I would put in front 1492 01:24:07.340 --> 01:24:10.859 of a camera if I was a member of Congress. 1493 01:24:11.270 --> 01:24:16.590 She is a legitimate whistleblower. She retired from the military. 1494 01:24:17.109 --> 01:24:22.109 She's a grandmother now. She taught school for some time. 1495 01:24:22.609 --> 01:24:23.869 She lives around the D.C. 1496 01:24:23.970 --> 01:24:24.270 Area. 1497 01:24:25.970 --> 01:24:31.689 I'm sorry, she lives in the Baltimore area. But she 1498 01:24:31.829 --> 01:24:37.329 has been interviewed by many of the U.S. representatives and 1499 01:24:37.550 --> 01:24:42.310 at least two senators and some of their staff. So 1500 01:24:42.600 --> 01:24:43.350 she's legitimate. 1501 01:24:45.140 --> 01:24:49.420 Chick hand things, right? Whoa. He doesn't even know what 1502 01:24:49.460 --> 01:24:49.779 to say. 1503 01:24:49.819 --> 01:24:54.319 Now, the problem is what happens when she tells her 1504 01:24:54.340 --> 01:24:59.560 story You know, Stephen Greer is a friend, a nice person. 1505 01:24:59.659 --> 01:25:07.420 I've worked with him before. But his mentality regarding they 1506 01:25:07.520 --> 01:25:12.800 can't be hostile, they're all benevolent, is absolutely out the window. 1507 01:25:12.880 --> 01:25:15.310 And I've told him this to his face. I said, Stephen, 1508 01:25:15.550 --> 01:25:20.590 you're relying on faulty information. You're being misinformed. And I'm 1509 01:25:20.630 --> 01:25:24.310 telling you, listen to me, because I'm a counterintelligence officer. 1510 01:25:24.729 --> 01:25:29.470 People within your circle are misinforming you because there are 1511 01:25:29.529 --> 01:25:31.170 hostile extraterrestrials. 1512 01:25:31.189 --> 01:25:34.970 Yeah, I've always thought that Stephen Greer's absolute insistence that 1513 01:25:35.090 --> 01:25:38.670 all the aliens are good guys and there are no 1514 01:25:38.710 --> 01:25:45.750 hostile aliens is just literally retarded. Really, there's other intelligent species, 1515 01:25:45.810 --> 01:25:49.310 but they're all wonderful space brothers and none of them 1516 01:25:49.369 --> 01:25:53.810 have any ill or malevolent intent. It just doesn't make 1517 01:25:53.850 --> 01:25:57.500

any sense. but he's absolutely certain of it. They're all 1518 01:25:57.520 --> 01:25:59.060 the aliens are good guys out there. 1519 01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:01.340 And that's the ones we have to worry about. 1520 01:26:02.600 --> 01:26:04.180 And you've seen this firsthand. 1521 01:26:04.479 --> 01:26:05.399 I saw this firsthand. 1522 01:26:09.079 --> 01:26:10.479 I have so many questions that you can't answer. 1523 01:26:10.810 --> 01:26:15.689 Well, I've seen part of his grip, her sitting in 1524 01:26:15.750 --> 01:26:20.130 front of me talking about this, you know, as far 1525 01:26:20.149 --> 01:26:22.510 as firsthand, you know, we, I wasn't there when she 1526 01:26:22.550 --> 01:26:24.229 was doing all this stuff was happening. 1527 01:26:24.270 --> 01:26:32.260 But you saw the surveillance images, surveillance apparatus, whatever that was, 1528 01:26:33.300 --> 01:26:35.619 whether they filmed it or whether they, I don't know. 1529 01:26:36.390 --> 01:26:37.250 But you saw that. 1530 01:26:38.189 --> 01:26:39.039 I was involved with it. 1531 01:26:39.050 --> 01:26:39.289 Yes. 1532 01:26:39.489 --> 01:26:42.970 You were involved with it, with like setting up the surveillance. 1533 01:26:43.750 --> 01:26:43.930 Yes. 1534 01:26:43.949 --> 01:26:44.020 Yes. 1535 01:26:44.840 --> 01:26:47.180 And you had enough to go on. 1536 01:26:47.800 --> 01:26:49.420 Big Bird is the biggest stupid show. 1537 01:26:49.439 --> 01:26:51.539 First of all, how you knew that was going to 1538 01:26:51.579 --> 01:26:53.800 happen is a whole other discussion I'm sure you can't have. 1539 01:26:53.899 --> 01:26:56.340 No, because I didn't know. 1540 01:26:55.979 --> 01:26:57.350 What the protocol was. 1541 01:26:57.369 --> 01:26:58.289 All the technical stuff. 1542 01:26:58.529 --> 01:26:58.989 But they knew. 1543 01:26:59.010 --> 01:26:59.569 Word for it. 1544 01:26:59.609 --> 01:27:02.229 We had Air Force, Intel. We had FBI. 1545 01:27:02.270 --> 01:27:04.010 The lying professor liar. 1546 01:27:04.189 --> 01:27:07.489 OSI. We had NSA. He's talking about Linda Bolton. All 1547 01:27:07.510 --> 01:27:14.479 part of this. Because in order to... If you can imagine... 1548 01:27:15.220 --> 01:27:20.619 In order to understand something that's alien to us, we 1549 01:27:20.659 --> 01:27:25.060 have to have the top technical people within the NSA 1550 01:27:25.319 --> 01:27:31.399 and these other agencies involved to create something, to build something. Plus, 1551 01:27:32.020 --> 01:27:34.579 there were contractors involved in this, too. 1552 01:27:36.399 --> 01:27:44.380 So this is a multi-pronged, multi-faceted, multi-departmented sting operation. In 1553 01:27:44.460 --> 01:27:50.979 order to capture this. On some type of. Media. That 1554 01:27:51.039 --> 01:27:54.619 you can then review. And it was successful. 1555 01:27:55.970 --> 01:27:56.199 It was. 1556 01:27:56.729 --> 01:27:56.970 Yes. 1557 01:27:57.250 --> 01:28:00.369 That was successful. There were some

that weren't. But that 1558 01:28:00.430 --> 01:28:04.810 was what was successful. Were. 1559 01:28:05.189 --> 01:28:07.670 Obviously she was made aware. And she was part of 1560 01:28:07.710 --> 01:28:08.470 this operation. 1561 01:28:08.590 --> 01:28:09.789 Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Absolutely. 1562 01:28:10.510 --> 01:28:10.670 And. 1563 01:28:13.220 --> 01:28:15.220 I mean, did you get to interview her after? 1564 01:28:15.239 --> 01:28:16.319 Yeah. 1565 01:28:16.739 --> 01:28:17.720 We thwarted. 1566 01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:19.119 It. 1567 01:28:19.180 --> 01:28:20.819 She wasn't abducted that night. 1568 01:28:21.060 --> 01:28:21.909 You thwarted it. 1569 01:28:21.979 --> 01:28:22.260 Yeah. 1570 01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:25.500 We prevented it based on all this. 1571 01:28:25.939 --> 01:28:26.779 Oh, well, there you go. 1572 01:28:27.470 --> 01:28:28.630 And we got her. 1573 01:28:28.689 --> 01:28:32.109 Stop the aliens from making that poor woman's vagina bleed. 1574 01:28:32.210 --> 01:28:35.550 Good for Richard Doty. Saving that woman's poor vagina from 1575 01:28:35.569 --> 01:28:38.689 an alien probing and bleeding event. 1576 01:28:38.850 --> 01:28:43.100 We got her to a safe location because there was 1577 01:28:43.229 --> 01:28:49.979 always doubt. Not in my mind, but other people's minds. 1578 01:28:50.060 --> 01:28:52.359 There was an FBI agent working on this and he 1579 01:28:52.960 --> 01:28:58.380 didn't believe a word she said. He was just, I 1580 01:28:58.399 --> 01:29:01.949 don't believe any of this stuff. But after that night, 1581 01:29:03.529 --> 01:29:05.689 he sat in a room. I'm not exaggerating a bit. 1582 01:29:06.010 --> 01:29:09.050 He sat in a room when we had her out 1583 01:29:09.090 --> 01:29:11.989 at the base. It wasn't OSI offices. It was another 1584 01:29:12.029 --> 01:29:14.180 secure facility out at the base. Because we didn't know 1585 01:29:14.229 --> 01:29:16.500 if these things were coming after. But we were in 1586 01:29:16.600 --> 01:29:19.960 a protected area at the base. 1587 01:29:19.979 --> 01:29:22.359 Yeah, he stopped in an alien graping event. 1588 01:29:22.600 --> 01:29:27.720 And this FBI agent sat in a room crying because 1589 01:29:27.760 --> 01:29:32.239 he doubted her. He said, all this time, all these 1590 01:29:32.260 --> 01:29:35.020 eight months or whatever it was, I doubted her, and 1591 01:29:35.060 --> 01:29:35.939 she's telling the truth. 1592 01:29:36.279 --> 01:29:36.890 She felt bad? 1593 01:29:37.069 --> 01:29:38.409 Reminiscent hero, yes. 1594 01:29:39.270 --> 01:29:45.609 I believed her. He didn't. He was always skeptical about everything. 1595 01:29:45.649 --> 01:29:46.689 Rightfully so, I think. 1596 01:29:46.909 --> 01:29:53.390 Yeah, rightfully so. He had a lot of background. He 1597 01:29:53.829 --> 01:29:54.039 was a. 1598 01:29:57.939 --> 01:29:58.479 Vietnam. 1599 01:29:58.810 --> 01:30:03.449 Yeah, great. Did you notice one thing, too? Doty often 1600 01:30:03.529 --> 01:30:07.369 talks about people that he worked with and had alien 1601 01:30:07.409 --> 01:30:10.710 experiences with, but we're never allowed to talk to those people. 1602 01:30:12.270 --> 01:30:15.289 We're never allowed to interview those people to confirm that 1603 01:30:15.310 --> 01:30:18.609 the story that Richard Doty is telling is true. And 1604 01:30:18.649 --> 01:30:23.850 I think that's very telling. Why is Doty mentioning, well, 1605 01:30:23.949 --> 01:30:26.909 you know, me and this guy, we stopped this alien... 1606 01:30:28.130 --> 01:30:33.760 And we stopped this poor woman from having vaginal bleeding. Well, 1607 01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:36.479 that seems like a pretty fantastic story. Can we talk 1608 01:30:36.500 --> 01:30:40.340 to the guy from the FBI you did that with? No. No, 1609 01:30:40.399 --> 01:30:43.689 it's classified. Can't tell you his name. And what about 1610 01:30:43.729 --> 01:30:46.250 this interviewer? The first thing I would ask was, what 1611 01:30:46.289 --> 01:30:50.270 was his name? So that I could verify that he 1612 01:30:50.350 --> 01:30:54.039 even was an FBI agent. But the interviewer is not allowed. 1613 01:30:54.680 --> 01:30:57.539 And let's be clear, these UFO circle jerk shows, they're 1614 01:30:57.579 --> 01:31:01.159 not allowed to ask any critical questions. They're not allowed 1615 01:31:01.199 --> 01:31:04.850 to ask for corroboration. And not one of his co-workers 1616 01:31:04.909 --> 01:31:07.609 has ever come forward. Hey, Steve Long is here, UAP 1617 01:31:07.630 --> 01:31:11.010 or SAP. Yeah, that's what I'm just talking about. He 1618 01:31:11.090 --> 01:31:17.930 constantly mentions having these experiences with alien spacecraft and alien crashes. 1619 01:31:18.680 --> 01:31:18.949 Well. 1620 01:31:19.659 --> 01:31:22.460 Who are the other people involved in this event? So 1621 01:31:22.500 --> 01:31:24.569 we can talk to them to see if your story 1622 01:31:24.630 --> 01:31:28.029 checks out. Nobody ever asks him and they never will. 1623 01:31:28.710 --> 01:31:32.770 Because the minute you start asking, you know, critical questions 1624 01:31:33.250 --> 01:31:36.779 or for verification or for evidence, you lose access and 1625 01:31:36.800 --> 01:31:39.020 you can no longer grift with the grifters. And let's 1626 01:31:39.060 --> 01:31:42.140 be clear, that's what Chris Ramsey is doing. He's grifting 1627 01:31:42.220 --> 01:31:43.020 off the grifters. 1628 01:31:43.260 --> 01:31:46.720 The steadiest operations group. I don't know if you know 1629 01:31:46.760 --> 01:31:49.920 what that is in Vietnam. The guys work behind the lines. 1630 01:31:50.600 --> 01:31:52.199 You know, they drop them off in Laos. 1631 01:31:52.380 --> 01:31:53.520 Unfalsifiable. 1632 01:31:53.539 --> 01:31:56.159 A hundred days or whatever it was. I mean, he 1633 01:31:56.180 --> 01:31:57.520 went through a lot, this guy. 1634 01:31:58.279 --> 01:32:00.229 Longest, strongest from Uranus. 1635

01:32:00.250 --> 01:32:06.170 FBI agent. But he had a, you know, he, it 1636 01:32:06.210 --> 01:32:08.770 changed him. It actually changed him because I worked with 1637 01:32:08.810 --> 01:32:13.029 him after that on other cases, including the Paul Benowitz case. 1638 01:32:13.869 --> 01:32:15.149 The Zeta Ridiculi. 1639 01:32:15.170 --> 01:32:18.989 He was a different person. As I saw in other 1640 01:32:19.050 --> 01:32:28.210 people who worked that operation, I think a lot of 1641 01:32:28.250 --> 01:32:28.670 them were scared. 1642 01:32:28.689 --> 01:32:30.550 Yeah, that's interesting, S.V. Harkin. 1643 01:32:31.289 --> 01:32:35.470 I mean, if you. 1644 01:32:35.449 --> 01:32:39.029 See something- Well, will you be scared? If those aliens- 1645 01:32:39.659 --> 01:32:42.920 If those aliens can make your butthole or your vagina bleed, 1646 01:32:43.159 --> 01:32:48.300 I think it's very understandable that if these aliens can 1647 01:32:48.340 --> 01:32:51.609 make your vagina or your butthole bleed, you shouldn't be 1648 01:32:51.649 --> 01:32:54.430 scared of them aliens. What are they doing making people's 1649 01:32:54.510 --> 01:32:58.430 buttholes and vaginas bleed? And why are they so interested 1650 01:32:58.470 --> 01:33:02.550 in probing buttholes and vaginas? Why is there always a 1651 01:33:02.670 --> 01:33:07.840 sexual weird component to these stories from especially the older dudes? Worlds. 1652 01:33:08.880 --> 01:33:10.180 And your mind can't. 1653 01:33:10.439 --> 01:33:12.119 Like Richard Doty or. 1654 01:33:12.319 --> 01:33:14.699 Because if you go into something. 1655 01:33:14.720 --> 01:33:15.439 Whitney Stryber. 1656 01:33:15.479 --> 01:33:19.859 Like a child. They did experiments with a child. Putting 1657 01:33:19.880 --> 01:33:22.439 them in a hostile environment. Not a hostile environment. A 1658 01:33:22.479 --> 01:33:26.539 strange environment. They can't comprehend. And humans are the same. 1659 01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:31.239 We are the same way. We can't comprehend what we're seeing. 1660 01:33:31.260 --> 01:33:36.340 Or how we're going to rectify it. Regardless it's a training. 1661 01:33:38.810 --> 01:33:41.489 Because we went through a lot of training, a really 1662 01:33:41.520 --> 01:33:44.920 good training in the intelligence operations course. I mean, they 1663 01:33:44.939 --> 01:33:47.279 would put you in a situation, not UFO situations or 1664 01:33:47.319 --> 01:33:50.039 anything like that, but they would put you in situations 1665 01:33:50.100 --> 01:33:53.680 where there's no win, but they made you go all 1666 01:33:53.720 --> 01:33:56.590 the way up to the end and you figure you're 1667 01:33:56.609 --> 01:33:58.609 going to die in the exercise or something. 1668 01:33:59.689 --> 01:34:02.649 Squats in Maine, I agree. Over and over again. What 1669 01:34:02.670 --> 01:34:03.170 a weirdo. 1670 01:34:03.189 --> 01:34:04.270 Stress inoculation. 1671 01:34:04.510 --> 01:34:06.449 We have Whitney Stryber to thank for that. 1672 01:34:06.850 --> 01:34:10.659 Stress inoculation. So when you're out doing the job in 1673 01:34:10.680 --> 01:34:13.920 the real field, nothing's going to bother you. Nothing's going 1674 01:34:13.939 --> 01:34:15.720 to scare you. 1675 01:34:15.739 --> 01:34:16.539 Sex sells. 1676 01:34:16.579 --> 01:34:17.560 Not much scares me. 1677 01:34:17.579 --> 01:34:19.279 They often use sex in alien fantasies. 1678 01:34:19.310 --> 01:34:21.630 But after that, seeing what I saw or listening. 1679 01:34:21.329 --> 01:34:23.670 To- The aliens are hoarding stories. Yes. 1680 01:34:23.850 --> 01:34:26.930 You know, I'm thinking, wow, I sure hope that doesn't 1681 01:34:26.970 --> 01:34:30.029 happen to my girlfriend or that then I wasn't married. 1682 01:34:30.149 --> 01:34:30.930 Oh, thank you, Steve. 1683 01:34:30.949 --> 01:34:32.289 My mother or my sister. 1684 01:34:32.510 --> 01:34:33.850 Yeah. I'm not going anywhere. 1685 01:34:33.930 --> 01:34:36.270 Why are they picking on her? And, you know, all 1686 01:34:36.329 --> 01:34:38.659 these- that you worried about yourself. 1687 01:34:39.539 --> 01:34:44.539 Well, Wojcik is late to the party. Apparently Richard Doty 1688 01:34:44.619 --> 01:34:47.770 is a hero, Wojcik, because he and an FBI agent 1689 01:34:48.250 --> 01:34:50.710 were aware of a woman that kept getting abducted and 1690 01:34:50.729 --> 01:34:53.430 the aliens were torturing her. They were ripping her fingernails 1691 01:34:53.550 --> 01:34:55.810 off and her toenails and she had marks on her 1692 01:34:56.390 --> 01:35:01.020 and they would make her vagina bleed. But Richard Doty 1693 01:35:01.060 --> 01:35:04.399 got tired of those aliens making that woman's vagina bleed. 1694 01:35:04.930 --> 01:35:08.010 So he stepped in and they stopped an abduction event 1695 01:35:08.170 --> 01:35:12.329 and a vaginal bleeding event. Rich Brody is a hero. 1696 01:35:12.510 --> 01:35:16.010 He stopped that woman. He stopped those aliens from making 1697 01:35:16.050 --> 01:35:20.899 that woman's vajayjay bleed, Wojcik. That's what happened. That's his 1698 01:35:20.979 --> 01:35:23.760 story and he's sticking to it, even though he won't 1699 01:35:23.819 --> 01:35:26.000 tell us what the FBI agent's name is so we 1700 01:35:26.020 --> 01:35:28.300 can verify this ridiculous, stupid story. 1701 01:35:28.640 --> 01:35:32.130 Why did they pick her? That's the question that I 1702 01:35:32.170 --> 01:35:34.869 don't know the answer to. I'm sure maybe the government does. 1703 01:35:35.170 --> 01:35:35.770 Are they on here? 1704 01:35:36.590 --> 01:35:38.310 Agent Fox Moldy. Yes. 1705 01:35:38.409 --> 01:35:39.029 Which ones are they? 1706 01:35:41.329 --> 01:35:46.140 The heploids. I'm sorry. Let me show you. 1707 01:35:46.159 --> 01:35:46.659 Quataloids. 1708 01:35:46.859 --> 01:35:47.380 Quataloids. 1709 01:35:47.840 --> 01:35:48.920 The ones that look like insects. 1710 01:35:48.939 --> 01:35:49.539 Quataloids.

1711 01:35:49.579 --> 01:35:49.760 Yeah. 1712 01:35:50.960 --> 01:35:52.260 Those were the ones that were. 1713 01:35:53.479 --> 01:35:57.090 But this is a complicated part of it. They are 1714 01:35:57.250 --> 01:36:03.020 able to manipulate your observation of them. I mean, they 1715 01:36:03.600 --> 01:36:04.779 can manipulate mine. 1716 01:36:04.939 --> 01:36:06.159 Can they manipulate the camera? 1717 01:36:06.180 --> 01:36:10.010 I don't know. I never thought of that. 1718 01:36:11.329 --> 01:36:13.850 So, was there something. 1719 01:36:13.510 --> 01:36:16.810 That you saw in that operation? He's a hero. He's 1720 01:36:16.850 --> 01:36:21.680 a Vajayjay hero. He's saving Vajayjays from alien devastation. 1721 01:36:21.720 --> 01:36:22.010 Can I.... 1722 01:36:27.619 --> 01:36:30.119 Okay. So they're not the other, the quadaloids, these ones. 1723 01:36:30.399 --> 01:36:30.619 Yeah. 1724 01:36:30.760 --> 01:36:32.779 The aliens, the insect humanoid types. 1725 01:36:33.920 --> 01:36:34.100 Yes. 1726 01:36:35.600 --> 01:36:39.840 And it says they have a high IQ. Why would 1727 01:36:39.859 --> 01:36:41.800 something with a high IQ be so violent? 1728 01:36:42.550 --> 01:36:44.590 That's trying to get inside an alien mind and we 1729 01:36:44.600 --> 01:36:45.239 can't do that. 1730 01:36:46.090 --> 01:36:46.949 I'm going to show you something. 1731 01:36:47.609 --> 01:36:49.050 You can have this. This is yours. 1732 01:36:49.130 --> 01:36:49.430 Okay. 1733 01:36:50.510 --> 01:36:52.850 Oh, here you can have my alien picture porn. 1734 01:36:58.289 --> 01:37:03.449 Okay. Wow. 1735 01:37:03.470 --> 01:37:06.310 Is that something you've seen before? 1736 01:37:07.560 --> 01:37:08.100 I can't say. 1737 01:37:09.350 --> 01:37:16.060 I think you just did. Was that... In pictures. 1738 01:37:16.619 --> 01:37:18.899 In a document. Not in real life. 1739 01:37:19.119 --> 01:37:21.119 Is that the same thing that was involved here? 1740 01:37:21.140 --> 01:37:22.939 Thorac from Space Ghosts. Yes. 1741 01:37:24.760 --> 01:37:26.520 I better not say. Okay. Okay. 1742 01:37:27.689 --> 01:37:31.609 Can't tell us. Can't tell us. That one's classified. 1743 01:37:32.229 --> 01:37:33.989 That hasn't been made public. 1744 01:37:35.569 --> 01:37:35.890 Okay. 1745 01:37:36.350 --> 01:37:36.550 Yeah. 1746 01:37:36.810 --> 01:37:37.909 You're going to make it public? 1747 01:37:39.670 --> 01:37:41.010 Not anytime soon. 1748 01:37:41.029 --> 01:37:42.409 Okay. No, I better not say that. 1749 01:37:42.979 --> 01:37:43.149 Yeah. 1750 01:37:43.300 --> 01:37:43.520 Yeah. 1751 01:37:43.649 --> 01:37:46.199 So that one is classified. But the lady with the 1752 01:37:46.239 --> 01:37:50.500 bleeding alien vajayjay, when he saved the lady from the 1753 01:37:50.640 --> 01:37:54.460 aliens making her vajayjay bleed, that one's not classified. So 1754 01:37:54.500 --> 01:37:57.460 he could talk about the bleeding vagina girl. Because that's 1755 01:37:57.500 --> 01:38:03.710 not classified, but this picture on Mr. Rogers' fucktard here's phone, 1756 01:38:03.770 --> 01:38:05.609 that one's classified and he can't say. 1757 01:38:06.470 --> 01:38:08.369 So if I didn't make it public, you could confirm 1758 01:38:08.409 --> 01:38:08.890 or deny? 1759 01:38:09.130 --> 01:38:09.949 Probably. Okay. 1760 01:38:10.369 --> 01:38:15.640 Well, maybe one day. Can we take a break? Let's 1761 01:38:15.659 --> 01:38:16.020 take a break. 1762 01:38:16.060 --> 01:38:17.779 All right. That's a good time for a break. 1763 01:38:18.340 --> 01:38:21.159 Okay. I mean, where to transition from something like that? 1764 01:38:21.260 --> 01:38:24.680 It's just so... jarring to hear that. 1765 01:38:24.920 --> 01:38:27.380 I've never once heard. 1766 01:38:26.939 --> 01:38:30.300 Of an abduction being the need to know i think 1767 01:38:30.310 --> 01:38:33.340 that's a new one for me you know i've we 1768 01:38:33.439 --> 01:38:35.300 we hear about abductions. 1769 01:38:34.699 --> 01:38:37.779 All right i i don't think i could take any 1770 01:38:37.819 --> 01:38:39.760 more of this i don't know about you guys it's 1771 01:38:39.800 --> 01:38:42.420 just getting stupider and stupider we'll end it on a 1772 01:38:42.500 --> 01:38:46.220 high note richard doughty is a hero and he saved 1773 01:38:46.279 --> 01:38:50.020 a woman from having her vajayjay bled out by aliens 1774 01:38:50.399 --> 01:38:55.380 abducting her. Okay, Rich Doty, right? We need to know 1775 01:38:55.439 --> 01:38:58.340 how big of a hero he is. Yeah, he's saving... 1776 01:38:58.930 --> 01:39:04.869 He's saving vajayjays from alien devastation, man. I can only 1777 01:39:04.909 --> 01:39:07.109 confirm or deny it if you don't make it public. 1778 01:39:07.149 --> 01:39:09.930 That way no one can catch me in my lies. Yeah, 1779 01:39:10.170 --> 01:39:13.689 and Richard Doty has confirmed an awful lot of stupid shit, remember? 1780 01:39:14.420 --> 01:39:20.039 Steve Long, he once confirmed that so-called whistleblower, the pedo 1781 01:39:20.060 --> 01:39:25.479 that was in prison, was really getting real top-secret briefings. 1782 01:39:25.770 --> 01:39:31.810 Remember that fiasco, right? Who trusts a presenter in 2026 1783 01:39:31.810 --> 01:39:36.789 who wears a yellow cardigan? Who? Yeah, that's one of 1784 01:39:36.850 --> 01:39:39.609 those things. Thank you for this group. Thank you for 1785 01:39:39.689 --> 01:39:42.949 being here. We will check in with the kick support. 1786 01:39:43.069 --> 01:39:45.909 We will check in I'm going to check in with 1787 01:39:45.949 --> 01:39:48.829 the Buy Me a Coffee. It's really Buy Me a Beer, 1788 01:39:49.090 --> 01:39:54.140 not big on the coffee thing, right? We'll check on that, 1789 01:39:54.220 --> 01:39:57.180 and we'll check on the PayPal pledges before we bounce 1790 01:39:57.439 --> 01:40:00.479 on out of here. I'm not sure when I will 1791 01:40:00.520 --> 01:40:06.140 be back live. I will be heading

to the cabin 1792 01:40:06.699 --> 01:40:12.239 tomorrow night, and really, this is a pivotal week for 1793 01:40:12.279 --> 01:40:15.579 that cabin because... I'm going to do my very best 1794 01:40:15.619 --> 01:40:19.390 to get that roof finished this weekend. But I'm a 1795 01:40:19.409 --> 01:40:21.930 little stressed out about that because, you know, I'm really 1796 01:40:22.050 --> 01:40:24.829 fighting the weather. I've only got two or three really 1797 01:40:24.989 --> 01:40:28.029 good weekends of good weather left, and then it's going 1798 01:40:28.050 --> 01:40:30.560 to be freezing cold. It'll be 40 during the day 1799 01:40:30.619 --> 01:40:36.819 very quickly, very soon there. And I'm fighting for the weather, 1800 01:40:36.899 --> 01:40:40.859 and I'm fighting through the weather, and I'm also fighting 1801 01:40:40.920 --> 01:40:48.140 for time because... I think last year, well, I know 1802 01:40:48.180 --> 01:40:51.260 last year, I did not have to do the two 1803 01:40:51.340 --> 01:40:54.640 or three or four weekends of cutting firewood and splitting 1804 01:40:54.699 --> 01:40:58.319 firewood and stacking firewood for the winter for the cabin. 1805 01:40:59.449 --> 01:41:02.729 I bought myself out of that last year. But because 1806 01:41:02.770 --> 01:41:06.010 the economy is so terrible, the two cords of wood 1807 01:41:06.029 --> 01:41:07.270 that I bought for $ 400 last year is now $ 600. 1808 01:41:07.210 --> 01:41:14.460 And I really just don't have $ 600, right? No, H-Bomb 1809 01:41:14.520 --> 01:41:17.100 is no help whatsoever. He's not coming. I don't think 1810 01:41:17.140 --> 01:41:20.960 he's coming this weekend. Nice guy. You know, God bless him. 1811 01:41:20.979 --> 01:41:22.979 He did come and say he was going to try 1812 01:41:23.020 --> 01:41:26.770 to help, but he's physically unable to do anything. So 1813 01:41:28.329 --> 01:41:32.250 it's always these oddly specific details, but it's never specific 1814 01:41:32.430 --> 01:41:38.069 details to meet a criteria. Right. I've been fighting Tyrone. Yeah. No, 1815 01:41:38.130 --> 01:41:42.970 Tyrone's fine. Tyrone is the... Raccoon near my cabin, and 1816 01:41:43.050 --> 01:41:45.380 he just comes for a free meal every night, right? 1817 01:41:47.100 --> 01:41:50.359 That was a thing in ufology. PDF files. Quite a 1818 01:41:50.380 --> 01:41:55.079 few high-profile guys where one reason they couldn't get work elsewhere. Yeah, yeah. 1819 01:41:55.979 --> 01:41:58.529 Don't give him an axe. No, I won't. Need a 1820 01:41:58.569 --> 01:42:04.869 deep dive on Thomas Bearded. Yeah, well, you can always 1821 01:42:05.050 --> 01:42:10.789 email me suggestions for shows at trueseekershow at gmail.com. Or 1822 01:42:10.829 --> 01:42:13.949 there is a new shows idea section in our Discord, 1823 01:42:13.989 --> 01:42:17.449 so you can join our Discord. Arlene is reminding everybody 1824 01:42:17.630 --> 01:42:22.829 to follow me on X. It really does help. I 1825 01:42:22.850 --> 01:42:28.050 want to thank Elaine Walls, who bought five beers recently. 1826 01:42:28.229 --> 01:42:30.390 Thank you so much for that. Elaine Walls is a big, 1827 01:42:30.449 --> 01:42:34.430 big supporter of the show. And I thank her for 1828 01:42:34.470 --> 01:42:37.569 her kindness, generosity, and support. That's the last beers that 1829 01:42:37.590 --> 01:42:41.560 were bought. None today, but that's okay. I have to 1830 01:42:41.619 --> 01:42:50.029 replace all of the beers that H-Bomb drank while he 1831 01:42:50.050 --> 01:42:53.149 was at my cabin, so we appreciate people buying me 1832 01:42:53.170 --> 01:43:00.239 a beer. Bearden. Not familiar. Wendell Stevens is one that 1833 01:43:00.279 --> 01:43:03.100 comes to mind. Yeah, we busted Wendell Stevens as a 1834 01:43:03.119 --> 01:43:06.579 PDF file, and isn't it interesting that Wendell Stevens was 1835 01:43:06.600 --> 01:43:09.880 a known PDF file. He did jail time, had multiple 1836 01:43:10.100 --> 01:43:14.939 underage victims. He was convicted of multiple crimes against children, 1837 01:43:15.560 --> 01:43:18.789 did actual real jail time in a prison, in a 1838 01:43:18.829 --> 01:43:22.210 state prison. And then when he got out, the UFO 1839 01:43:22.250 --> 01:43:24.750 community just covered up his conviction and helped them get 1840 01:43:24.810 --> 01:43:30.189 work at UFO conventions. So there's that, right? There are 1841 01:43:30.229 --> 01:43:33.020 some great cabin pics on X. Well, yeah, we think 1842 01:43:34.100 --> 01:43:37.399 that's good. I like to post it makes me happy 1843 01:43:37.439 --> 01:43:41.239 to post the progress pictures because that means I'm making 1844 01:43:41.300 --> 01:43:44.140 progress so I'm under the gun got to get to 1845 01:43:44.180 --> 01:43:47.579 the cabin and finish this roof this weekend I'm actually 1846 01:43:47.600 --> 01:43:49.239 going to go and get that there's going to be 1847 01:43:49.760 --> 01:43:52.539 clear plastic panels on the roof and I'm doing that 1848 01:43:52.600 --> 01:43:57.939 for a very specific reason I wanted originally to just 1849 01:43:57.979 --> 01:44:00.340 have a metal roof but obviously you can't have a 1850 01:44:00.680 --> 01:44:07.170 see-through metal roof and I happened to forget something at 1851 01:44:07.229 --> 01:44:10.310 that cabin build site and went back to the main cabin. 1852 01:44:11.050 --> 01:44:13.770 And then it got dark. And then I realized that 1853 01:44:14.409 --> 01:44:18.670 I left a hoodie. And it was the only hoodie 1854 01:44:18.729 --> 01:44:21.609 that I had at the cabin. And for those who 1855 01:44:21.640 --> 01:44:23.100 don't know, if you have a cabin, you need to 1856 01:44:23.140 --> 01:44:27.119 have multiple hoodies because it gets cold at night. Even 1857 01:44:27.159 --> 01:44:30.039 in the summertime, you need a hoodie sometimes. So I 1858 01:44:30.579 --> 01:44:35.130 got a big, huge flashlight that I have. because there's 1859

01:44:35.170 --> 01:44:39.079 bears over in that other place. And I walked into 1860 01:44:39.100 --> 01:44:42.060 the cabin build site to get the hoodie. I got 1861 01:44:42.100 --> 01:44:45.000 the hoodie. And remember, it's pitch dark there because there's 1862 01:44:45.039 --> 01:44:47.859 no neighbors for miles and miles and miles. And I 1863 01:44:47.899 --> 01:44:51.220 just happened to look up and I saw one of 1864 01:44:51.260 --> 01:44:54.680 the most beautiful starry night skies that I have ever 1865 01:44:54.739 --> 01:44:58.279 seen in my life there. So I thought for that cabin, 1866 01:44:58.300 --> 01:45:00.970 I want a clear roof so that I could sit 1867 01:45:01.500 --> 01:45:04.520 in the cabin and look up and see that beautiful 1868 01:45:04.579 --> 01:45:07.729 starry sky through the clear roof panels. So I'm getting 1869 01:45:07.739 --> 01:45:11.970 the clear roof panels this weekend, and I hope to anyway, 1870 01:45:12.930 --> 01:45:15.890 and I have to take in, let's see, 36 more 1871 01:45:15.949 --> 01:45:19.979 bags of 50-pound bags of gravel to finish off the floor. 1872 01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:24.399 I'm really hoping that I get that roof on this weekend. 1873 01:45:24.680 --> 01:45:26.859 If I do, I will be in great shape to 1874 01:45:26.939 --> 01:45:30.529 finish the whole cabin by, you know, by the time 1875 01:45:30.569 --> 01:45:35.930 the really tough weather starts hitting. So really all I 1876 01:45:35.970 --> 01:45:38.609 have left is the roof beams. I have to put 1877 01:45:38.649 --> 01:45:42.609 about seven or eight more on the roof. I have 1878 01:45:42.640 --> 01:45:45.579 to put the roof panels in. That goes pretty quickly, 1879 01:45:45.640 --> 01:45:47.640 I think. I mean, the last time I did a 1880 01:45:47.659 --> 01:45:49.859 roof like that, it's pretty quick to put those roof 1881 01:45:49.920 --> 01:45:54.659 panels up. You just screw them in place. And I 1882 01:45:54.689 --> 01:45:57.340 got a little bit of stonework. I have to... finish 1883 01:45:57.380 --> 01:45:59.800 leveling off the floor with the gravel, put a stone 1884 01:45:59.859 --> 01:46:04.779 floor in, and put the wood stove in. So really, 1885 01:46:06.640 --> 01:46:11.930 if we continue, the other thing is, if I get 1886 01:46:11.970 --> 01:46:15.270 the roof panels on and the roof completed this weekend, 1887 01:46:16.130 --> 01:46:19.470 between this weekend and next weekend, then the weather will 1888 01:46:19.510 --> 01:46:22.010 no longer matter. Right now it kind of sucks because 1889 01:46:22.029 --> 01:46:25.729 if it rains, I can't work on that cabin. I mean, 1890 01:46:25.770 --> 01:46:28.550 I can. I've tried it a few times, but holy. 1891 01:46:30.770 --> 01:46:33.399 Once the roof is on, I can still go over 1892 01:46:33.409 --> 01:46:35.079 there and work on the cabin, even if it rains 1893 01:46:35.119 --> 01:46:36.859 all day and night. It won't bother me because there's 1894 01:46:36.880 --> 01:46:40.720 a roof, you know. So only a couple more weekends 1895 01:46:40.760 --> 01:46:43.199 of work to finally finish that cabin. And it's been 1896 01:46:43.239 --> 01:46:46.319 a long journey to get that to get that thing 1897 01:46:47.760 --> 01:46:50.819 this far. You know, the one more major push, try 1898 01:46:50.850 --> 01:46:54.380 to finish off the finish off the cabin. I see 1899 01:46:54.500 --> 01:46:58.149 Stephen building his house like Arnold in Commando, carrying giant 1900 01:46:58.189 --> 01:47:02.609 logs around. Yeah, that's what I've been doing, right? So 1901 01:47:02.890 --> 01:47:06.430 we have done our due diligence. I'm going to bounce 1902 01:47:06.470 --> 01:47:07.909 on out of here. Like I said, I'm not sure 1903 01:47:07.930 --> 01:47:10.029 when I'll be back. So follow me on X, at 1904 01:47:10.069 --> 01:47:14.600 Stephen Cambion, or on Facebook, just at Stephen Cambion. We 1905 01:47:14.619 --> 01:47:18.159 always announce the live streams a few hours beforehand. And 1906 01:47:18.199 --> 01:47:19.979 now I know I say this every week, but if 1907 01:47:20.060 --> 01:47:23.449 I have time, I am going to try to do 1908 01:47:23.489 --> 01:47:26.470 a stream from the cabin this weekend. Also, I have 1909 01:47:26.529 --> 01:47:30.560 several members only and Patreon videos that are finished, but 1910 01:47:30.569 --> 01:47:32.619 I never uploaded them. So I'll try to get that 1911 01:47:32.659 --> 01:47:34.939 done this weekend. Also, somebody mentioned to me that the 1912 01:47:35.039 --> 01:47:39.100 audio podcast is three or four episodes behind. It usually is. 1913 01:47:39.779 --> 01:47:42.239 I'll get to that as best I can as well. 1914 01:47:43.050 --> 01:47:46.029 So we have done our due diligence, my friends, and 1915 01:47:46.050 --> 01:47:48.390 that's all I got for you. So until next time, 1916 01:47:48.449 --> 01:47:50.789 my name is Stephen Canby. Oh, wait, let me check. 1917 01:47:51.859 --> 01:47:55.140 Check one more thing. Make sure we don't have anything. Nope, 1918 01:47:55.159 --> 01:47:57.319 we're all caught up. We've called out all of the support. 1919 01:47:57.350 --> 01:47:58.739 I want to take a moment to thank each and 1920 01:47:58.779 --> 01:48:02.229 every one of you supporting the show. Thank you all 1921 01:48:02.250 --> 01:48:05.369 for your kindness, generosity, and support. Please consider joining our 1922 01:48:05.409 --> 01:48:09.850 Patreon for as little as a dollar a month. 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