Full Transcript for Christa Pike's Botched Execution: What Went Wrong in Tennessee?

into action that cannot be stopped. To 35 00:02:52.180 --> 00:02:55.539 say my heart is overwhelmed, it is quite overwhelmed. I 36 00:02:55.580 --> 00:02:59.280 am so thankful for what this little podcast has been 37 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:04.460 doing in the background and people will know when it 38 00:03:04.620 --> 00:03:09.090 all falls into place because I won't stand on business 39 00:03:09.409 --> 00:03:11.310 and business is good. 40 00:03:11.550 --> 00:03:11.949 It is. 41 00:03:12.030 --> 00:03:14.030 And I'm just so glad that you finally said yes 42 00:03:14.069 --> 00:03:16.389 to me because I was not going to let you go. 43 00:03:16.409 --> 00:03:19.990 I don't know how happy a lot of other people 44 00:03:20.030 --> 00:03:22.650 are about that. Yes, but it seems to be working 45 00:03:22.689 --> 00:03:26.159 out pretty well for the truth. So I appreciate everybody 46 00:03:26.189 --> 00:03:29.240 that tunes in for us. It was a long road 47 00:03:29.300 --> 00:03:32.360 to get to this seat that we sit at today. 48 00:03:34.069 --> 00:03:35.370 It's such a blessing. 49 00:03:35.590 --> 00:03:38.569 And I don't know if I can even convey how 50 00:03:38.729 --> 00:03:43.189 much I love the fact that people are starting to 51 00:03:43.250 --> 00:03:47.050 embrace truth because that's the only place I know to 52 00:03:47.069 --> 00:03:47.430 be now. 53 00:03:49.370 --> 00:03:50.110 Absolutely. 54 00:03:51.090 --> 00:03:54.469 Pauline, you got anything going on over there in Arkansas? 55 00:03:55.949 --> 00:03:59.050 Well, I didn't sleep much. So if I look tired, 56 00:03:59.189 --> 00:04:03.960 that's because I am. I had a freaking beetle in 57 00:04:04.030 --> 00:04:07.159 my bedroom last night, and I thought, okay, I'm going 58 00:04:07.180 --> 00:04:07.740 to be brave. 59 00:04:07.819 --> 00:04:09.900 I'm going to kill the sucker. Well, I missed. 60 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:13.219 The sucker run behind the dresser, and then every time 61 00:04:13.259 --> 00:04:15.400 I'd close my eyes, I'd think I'd feel the sucker 62 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:17.279 crawling on me, so I would jump up and turn 63 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:17.819 on the light. 64 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:22.420 The dog thought I'd lost my mind last night. So 65 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:25.990 nobody slept because of a beetle. Well, she didn't sleep 66 00:04:26.009 --> 00:04:26.889 because of a beetle. 67 00:04:27.110 --> 00:04:29.449 I didn't sleep because I was arguing with a vampire 68 00:04:29.529 --> 00:04:30.810 all night last night. 69 00:04:31.970 --> 00:04:34.490 I'm going to need some details on arguing with a 70 00:04:34.529 --> 00:04:36.860 vampire all night. 71 00:04:36.939 --> 00:04:37.680 I'm not kidding. 72 00:04:37.699 --> 00:04:40.879 I made a post about Erica Kirk last night, and 73 00:04:40.899 --> 00:04:43.699 it was a little controversial. So this guy gets on there, 74 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:45.779 and he's like, well, what's wrong with a Christian woman 75 00:04:45.860 --> 00:04:48.660 going and talking to a Christian school? So we got 76 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:52.310 in this debate, and I posted this thing at like 77 00:04:52.310 --> 00:04:55.990 1230 last night. So he posts at 2. I woke 78 00:04:56.069 --> 00:04:58.430 up like 2.30. I'm like, I responded back, went back 79 00:04:58.470 --> 00:05:01.910 to sleep. Then at 4, he had responded again. I'm like, 80 00:05:01.990 --> 00:05:04.949 what the hell? So I responded again. Then I woke 81 00:05:05.029 --> 00:05:07.009 up at 6. I'm like, can I just. 82 00:05:06.949 --> 00:05:11.350 Ask you a question? Do you ever sleep? So I've 83 00:05:11.389 --> 00:05:16.269 determined he's a vampire. One of those all-nighters. I would post, 84 00:05:16.430 --> 00:05:16.870 go to sleep, post. 85 00:05:17.189 --> 00:05:17.490 Go to sleep. 86 00:05:17.509 --> 00:05:19.990 So a lot of the tweakers here post on their 87 00:05:20.029 --> 00:05:20.610 Facebook posts. 88 00:05:21.449 --> 00:05:26.569 Hashtag team no sleep i'm like okay we know what 89 00:05:26.610 --> 00:05:28.009 you're doing tonight. 90 00:05:28.269 --> 00:05:30.509 Oh so maybe he's not a vampire maybe he was 91 00:05:30.550 --> 00:05:35.470 a tweaker they. 92 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:36.980 Do keep odd hours they do keep odd hours do 93 00:05:37.639 --> 00:05:41.100 well talking about medicine we thought it was very important 94 00:05:41.139 --> 00:05:41.779 to bring. 95 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:44.879 Krista pike back to the table because her medicine did 96 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:47.560 not work this time and we're going to get all 97 00:05:47.699 --> 00:05:49.399 into that and dive into. 98 00:05:49.110 --> 00:05:51.959 The botched execution. 99 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:54.939 But before we do that, we did do an episode 100 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:58.019 about Krista Pike. We went into detail of what she 101 00:05:58.060 --> 00:06:01.730 did to Colleen, but we're going to let Pauline kind 102 00:06:01.750 --> 00:06:04.769 of give us a summary of why she was even 103 00:06:04.829 --> 00:06:05.410 on death row. 104 00:06:06.850 --> 00:06:09.949 Yes. Okay. January 12th. 105 00:06:09.939 --> 00:06:14.209 1995, Krista Pike, 18, participated in the brutal murder of 106 00:06:14.230 --> 00:06:18.689 19-year-old Colleen Slimmer in Knoxville, Tennessee. Colleen was lured to 107 00:06:18.730 --> 00:06:23.899 the woods by another girl with the intent of them 108 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:29.339 to make peace and smoke weed. They had Colleen in 109 00:06:29.379 --> 00:06:36.459 the woods forever. Krista Pike, her boyfriend, Tardell's ship, and 110 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:39.850 this other girl all had her in the woods. They 111 00:06:40.290 --> 00:06:47.129 brutally murdered her. She had over 200 cut stabs from 112 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:52.519 her head to her crotch. It took 30 to 60 113 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:56.629 minutes for them to do all of this. And Colleen 114 00:06:56.689 --> 00:07:00.410 was alive while all

of these wounds was being placed 115 00:07:00.490 --> 00:07:06.209 on her body. After the first 25 fatal wounds, they 116 00:07:06.269 --> 00:07:09.819 stopped counting how many wounds was actually on her body. 117 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:15.199 Oh, my gosh. It's so interesting because when I post 118 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:19.300 on Facebook about Krista Pike and her execution, you will 119 00:07:19.339 --> 00:07:23.990 see people come out of the woodworks how hated she is. 120 00:07:24.129 --> 00:07:27.339 And they're like, She needs to die. It needs to 121 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:31.519 be carried out because this woman tortured. She didn't just 122 00:07:31.620 --> 00:07:34.839 murder her, but she tortured her and she took a 123 00:07:34.860 --> 00:07:37.800 part of her skull and carried it around as a. 124 00:07:39.500 --> 00:07:45.930 Reward. And Colleen begged for her life. She begged to live. 125 00:07:46.589 --> 00:07:49.269 Krista returned to the scene the next day when they 126 00:07:49.310 --> 00:07:52.569 found Colleen's body and asked the police on the scene 127 00:07:52.610 --> 00:07:54.100 if they have a suspect yet. 128 00:07:56.310 --> 00:08:00.629 That was in her own words, in her confession. 129 00:08:00.649 --> 00:08:04.819 I don't think she was a very smart criminal because 130 00:08:04.860 --> 00:08:08.360 she really did confess a lot of stuff. And anyone 131 00:08:08.420 --> 00:08:11.399 knows when you're talking to police, you ask for an attorney. 132 00:08:12.819 --> 00:08:14.720 But she was young, so I'll give her that. 133 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:18.129 No, no, it was very brutal. The murder was very brutal. 134 00:08:18.149 --> 00:08:20.649 And it was planned. 135 00:08:21.370 --> 00:08:24.410 They knew what they were doing. It was planned, carried 136 00:08:24.470 --> 00:08:29.329 it out. tortured this girl, Colleen would be crying. And 137 00:08:29.350 --> 00:08:31.910 this is Krista's word. She would be crying and she'd 138 00:08:31.930 --> 00:08:33.409 tell her to shut up because she didn't want to 139 00:08:33.450 --> 00:08:33.809 hear it. 140 00:08:34.909 --> 00:08:37.570 And they were supposedly like best friends too, which makes 141 00:08:37.629 --> 00:08:41.190 it like horrific that your best friend is killing you 142 00:08:41.250 --> 00:08:42.629 and she's pleading for her life. 143 00:08:42.990 --> 00:08:45.850 Please stop. What did I do? Please stop. Help me. 144 00:08:45.909 --> 00:08:49.049 Like, why are you doing this to me? I could 145 00:08:49.070 --> 00:08:54.429 just imagine what Colleen was feeling as she's watching her 146 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:58.490 best friend brutally kill her for 30 to 60 minutes. 147 00:08:58.570 --> 00:09:00.730 And just thinking about the pain she was going through, 148 00:09:00.750 --> 00:09:04.710 it had to be just, I don't know. You'd have 149 00:09:04.730 --> 00:09:07.090 to put your mind almost in another place and try 150 00:09:07.110 --> 00:09:09.409 to like focus out

of it. I don't know. 151 00:09:09.429 --> 00:09:13.269 It goes back to, it is the people that you 152 00:09:13.289 --> 00:09:16.759 trust the most, right? This was her friend. When it 153 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:20.779 comes to pedophiles, it is the people that you trust 154 00:09:20.820 --> 00:09:25.299 the most. It is the, the uncle, it is the whatever, 155 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:30.149 the neighbor. It's the people that you trust that are 156 00:09:30.210 --> 00:09:34.389 in your circle. You know, most crimes to this level 157 00:09:34.570 --> 00:09:39.769 aren't just random attacks. These are people you know. They're 158 00:09:39.850 --> 00:09:42.649 people you trust. They're people you hang out with. She 159 00:09:42.710 --> 00:09:43.809 hung out with this chick. 160 00:09:44.429 --> 00:09:44.830 Right. 161 00:09:44.970 --> 00:09:48.100 Why would you have any doubt that, hey, let's go 162 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:50.299 over here and smoke this joint in the woods? Wasn't 163 00:09:50.340 --> 00:09:52.179 just a, hey, let's go here and smoke the joint 164 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:55.659 in the woods. So it is the people you trust 165 00:09:55.700 --> 00:09:56.059 the most. 166 00:09:56.419 --> 00:09:59.269 And like Pauline said, it was planned because she brought, 167 00:09:59.350 --> 00:09:59.970 what did she bring? 168 00:10:00.220 --> 00:10:03.179 A box cutter? She brought a meat cleaver. 169 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:07.679 Yeah. And he brought a box cutter and the other 170 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:10.019 girl had a pocket knife, but the other girl did 171 00:10:10.100 --> 00:10:14.820 not participate in the cutting torture. She's just the one 172 00:10:14.860 --> 00:10:16.179 that lured her there. 173 00:10:16.580 --> 00:10:16.840 Right. 174 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:20.700 And what makes it very notorious is, is that apparently 175 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:28.049 the boyfriend carved a pentagram on Colleen's chest. And that 176 00:10:28.090 --> 00:10:32.210 just makes you go, wow, is this like a satanic ritual? 177 00:10:32.450 --> 00:10:35.110 Or what was the reasoning behind? 178 00:10:35.129 --> 00:10:38.669 I think that was just a teenage added. 179 00:10:38.690 --> 00:10:43.120 I don't think it was a ritual that she intended 180 00:10:43.139 --> 00:10:44.679 to kill her. And. 181 00:10:45.750 --> 00:10:49.529 It was about you're talking to my boyfriend or there 182 00:10:49.570 --> 00:10:51.370 was like two reasons, right? 183 00:10:51.570 --> 00:10:53.129 She was jealous of the boyfriend. 184 00:10:53.490 --> 00:10:53.870 Yeah. 185 00:10:54.850 --> 00:10:56.549 That was the only reason. Okay. 186 00:10:56.730 --> 00:11:00.960 So for me, that's not a sacrificial moment. That's a, 187 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:03.139 did you talk to my boyfriend? 188 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:03.779 Yeah. 189 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:08.700 That's why they cut her crotch up was to humiliate 190 00:11:08.759 --> 00:11:09.720 her even further. 191 00:11:11.059 --> 00:11:13.820 While she was alive. While she was alive. 192 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:14.440 Yeah. 193 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:19.100 Could you imagine being in the mental state where you 194 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:20.820 were doing that to another human being? 195 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:25.639 Like, I can't even get in that head. Like, the 196 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:28.899 fuck is wrong with you on every level? 197 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:33.820 That wasn't the only attempt. Well, she murdered Colleen, but 198 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:36.240 that wasn't the only one. After going to prison, after 199 00:11:36.299 --> 00:11:39.480 getting the death penalty, she attempted to kill an inmate. 200 00:11:40.419 --> 00:11:44.059 So being in prison so many years did not fix her. 201 00:11:44.710 --> 00:11:48.570 Rehabilitation is a myth it is and didn't she try 202 00:11:48.590 --> 00:11:51.289 to strangle her with shoelaces yes. 203 00:11:52.769 --> 00:11:55.470 And then wondered why she was in solitary well you 204 00:11:55.929 --> 00:11:58.389 can't be with the population if. 205 00:11:58.350 --> 00:12:01.470 You don't know how to act so obviously this woman's 206 00:12:01.490 --> 00:12:04.789 got pure evil in her heart and it's not something 207 00:12:04.809 --> 00:12:07.889 that you can rehabilitate and it's not something you can 208 00:12:07.990 --> 00:12:11.019 fix she's always going to have that evil and i 209 00:12:11.049 --> 00:12:15.639 don't think She's ever going to feel even sorrow or 210 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:19.070 she's never come out and publicly apologized to the mother 211 00:12:19.090 --> 00:12:21.370 after all these years. 212 00:12:21.389 --> 00:12:22.309 No remorse. 213 00:12:22.570 --> 00:12:27.090 So, you know, she went to court. They gave their ruling. 214 00:12:27.210 --> 00:12:30.149 They said, we are sentencing you to death. And that's 215 00:12:30.210 --> 00:12:35.100 the ruling. So with that said, before we get into 216 00:12:35.129 --> 00:12:39.159 the botched execution, I want to bring up another very 217 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:43.669 similar case of Christa. This was a guy by the 218 00:12:43.710 --> 00:12:47.929 name of Tony Crothers, and he had a botched execution, 219 00:12:47.970 --> 00:12:51.379 I believe, like two weeks before Chris does. And kind 220 00:12:51.389 --> 00:12:53.899 of the same thing happened. And what makes it really 221 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:59.539 crazy is the same guy that was carrying out the 222 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:03.330 lethal injection on Tony was carrying it out on Krista, 223 00:13:03.450 --> 00:13:04.049 and it failed. 224 00:13:05.610 --> 00:13:09.330 Yeah, Tony's was May 21st of 2026, so it was 225 00:13:09.370 --> 00:13:10.309 several months prior. 226 00:13:10.590 --> 00:13:13.210 But the guy that was doing his execution failed at 227 00:13:13.269 --> 00:13:18.070 his execution as well. Why is he even doing executions? Obviously, 228 00:13:18.149 --> 00:13:20.230 you got one freaking

job and you can't. 229 00:13:20.009 --> 00:13:22.460 Do it very well. Why are we letting you have 230 00:13:22.509 --> 00:13:23.700 another shot at this? 231 00:13:24.139 --> 00:13:26.840 Yeah, the problem was he couldn't get the IV in 232 00:13:27.220 --> 00:13:31.419 to Tony. So why let him try it on Krista? 233 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:34.799 Somebody needed him to try it on Krista. It makes 234 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:39.200 you stop and wonder, who is in charge of this shit? Like, 235 00:13:39.460 --> 00:13:42.639 who's in charge of executions? 236 00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:45.230 Hey, let's go get this jackass that couldn't do it 237 00:13:45.259 --> 00:13:45.970 the last time. 238 00:13:46.019 --> 00:13:48.049 Let's bring him in for this time. It's going to 239 00:13:48.090 --> 00:13:51.590 go well for everybody. This was Dr. 240 00:13:51.830 --> 00:13:54.830 Mark Walton Fowler. This was the guy that was involved 241 00:13:55.129 --> 00:13:58.610 in Tony's execution that he failed. And then he failed 242 00:13:58.710 --> 00:14:02.389 at Krista's. And I believe he was forced to resign. 243 00:14:02.450 --> 00:14:04.169 Do we know any more information about him? 244 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:12.039 I know he did fail to place another IV in 2013. 245 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:13.799 So these are three cases. 246 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:14.720 Yeah. 247 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:21.210 Basically, if I'm on death row, I want this guy. Yes. 248 00:14:21.889 --> 00:14:25.110 I wonder how the other cases played out, though. The 249 00:14:25.190 --> 00:14:27.350 execution didn't work. Did they still execute him? 250 00:14:28.389 --> 00:14:28.590 No. 251 00:14:28.610 --> 00:14:30.169 I believe that Tony is still alive. 252 00:14:31.610 --> 00:14:35.529 Tony got his turned over to life in prison without 253 00:14:35.580 --> 00:14:36.799 the possibility of parole. 254 00:14:38.820 --> 00:14:41.159 I guess that's still better than being out in public, 255 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:45.860 but still taxpayer money is keeping Tony alive because you 256 00:14:45.899 --> 00:14:48.379 had one freaking job and you couldn't do it. 257 00:14:49.590 --> 00:14:49.789 Yep. 258 00:14:51.389 --> 00:14:52.549 Oh, my gosh. 259 00:14:53.110 --> 00:14:55.870 And I do have a news clip that. I would 260 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:58.169 like to share with all of you just to kind 261 00:14:58.210 --> 00:15:00.429 of give you an update about who Frank is and 262 00:15:00.470 --> 00:15:01.490 what happened to Tony. 263 00:15:01.909 --> 00:15:02.490 So here it is. 264 00:15:02.509 --> 00:15:07.070 News 2 has learned top prison officials were warned about 265 00:15:07.210 --> 00:15:12.870 major execution flaws years before Christus Pike's failed execution attempt. 266 00:15:13.230 --> 00:15:16.509 Governor Bill Lee brought Frank Strada to Tennessee to lead 267 00:15:16.570 --> 00:15:21.070 the Tennessee Department of Correction in 2023 and overhaul the 268 00:15:21.110 --> 00:15:25.080 broken lethal

injection system. This week, he did not deliver. 269 00:15:25.509 --> 00:15:27.690 News 2's Kelly Milan joins us now. And Kelly, what 270 00:15:27.730 --> 00:15:28.710 have you learned so far? 271 00:15:29.230 --> 00:15:32.149 What I learned is that Ed Stanton was the main 272 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:36.440 investigator that came out with the Stanton report. They had 273 00:15:36.460 --> 00:15:40.220 main guidelines, and one of the guidelines was to hire 274 00:15:40.340 --> 00:15:44.980 a pharmaceutical expert. And Frank Strada never did that. When 275 00:15:45.019 --> 00:15:48.440 they questioned him as to why, he said it was 276 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:52.659 only a recommendation and not a requirement. That's just some 277 00:15:52.700 --> 00:15:58.740 of what is in this deposition. And, you know, also 278 00:15:59.460 --> 00:16:03.139 another thing is Frank Strada was brought on to restore 279 00:16:03.179 --> 00:16:05.840 the confidence of Tennessee's execution system. 280 00:16:05.899 --> 00:16:06.940 The capital punishment. 281 00:16:07.539 --> 00:16:10.279 And, you know, tonight at 10, we'll have more about 282 00:16:10.539 --> 00:16:14.529 him admitting to actually bypassing these safeguards. 283 00:16:14.830 --> 00:16:18.429 Now, Governor Lee was specifically asking for this recommendation in 284 00:16:18.470 --> 00:16:22.200 this study to correct the protocols in 2022. So why 285 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:26.230 was the commissioner of correction allowed to ignore the recommendations? 286 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:30.029 He ignored it because, that's a fantastic question, but he 287 00:16:30.129 --> 00:16:34.769 ignored it and openly said to defense attorneys in depositions 288 00:16:35.149 --> 00:16:37.909 that it was a recommendation. He said that it wasn't 289 00:16:38.029 --> 00:16:42.649 even a requirement. He bypassed those safeguards because he didn't 290 00:16:42.789 --> 00:16:46.399 take the main guidelines into consideration. 291 00:16:46.419 --> 00:16:46.860 Yeah. 292 00:16:47.100 --> 00:16:50.679 Now going back to Arizona, if Arizona's execution system was 293 00:16:50.740 --> 00:16:55.129 already declared deeply broken right after Strada had left, that state. 294 00:16:55.470 --> 00:16:57.429 Why was he brought here to Tennessee to try to 295 00:16:57.610 --> 00:16:58.509 fix ours? 296 00:16:58.710 --> 00:17:04.029 Also, fantastic question. In Arizona, he had three botched executions 297 00:17:04.250 --> 00:17:08.140 under his guise. Why the governor plucked him to be 298 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:11.579 the deputy director, whether he knew about it or not, 299 00:17:11.660 --> 00:17:13.859 we don't know that. But what we do know is 300 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:17.720 he had those three botched executions. And we also know 301 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:22.829 that Ryan Thornell, it was his successor in Arizona. He 302 00:17:22.890 --> 00:17:27.210 wrote to the governor. He was also under oath saying 303 00:17:27.410 --> 00:17:31.279 that

he was really concerned about the way the Arizona 304 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:36.059 Department of Corrections was run during his time. He also 305 00:17:36.099 --> 00:17:39.630 said that Strada had inadequate knowledge. 306 00:17:39.690 --> 00:17:40.569 He said that. 307 00:17:40.769 --> 00:17:46.779 Strada also, you know, had expired drugs when he was 308 00:17:46.859 --> 00:17:50.339 working there. All of that will be out tonight and 309 00:17:50.539 --> 00:17:51.799 we'll do a deep dive into it. 310 00:17:51.859 --> 00:17:53.519 An update tonight on News 2 Now at 10. 311 00:17:53.500 --> 00:17:54.099 Thank you, Kelly. 312 00:17:54.299 --> 00:17:57.480 Okay, so this leads us to Frank Strada and the 313 00:17:57.539 --> 00:18:01.000 execution leadership because he was in charge. He was actually 314 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:07.220 the corrections commissioner and he became the commissioner in 2023. Previously, 315 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:11.119 he had held senior leadership responsibilities in Arizona prison systems, 316 00:18:11.579 --> 00:18:16.680 and then he moved to Tennessee. So Strada later oversaw 317 00:18:16.900 --> 00:18:23.569 Tony's execution and Krista's execution attempts. On October 3rd, Governor 318 00:18:23.660 --> 00:18:26.210 Bill Lee announced that Strada had resigned. 319 00:18:26.230 --> 00:18:30.269 Go figure. As he should have. As he should have. 320 00:18:31.069 --> 00:18:33.130 You're not very good at your job. 321 00:18:33.730 --> 00:18:37.259 Do you think that they should investigate the leader of 322 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:38.400 this whole pack? 323 00:18:38.779 --> 00:18:42.720 I think that everybody should be investigated. Hell yeah, they should. 324 00:18:42.740 --> 00:18:47.150 Hell to the yes, yes, yes. But we know how 325 00:18:47.250 --> 00:18:51.789 shit goes. Go away. This goes away. Nobody will care, Frank. 326 00:18:52.190 --> 00:18:52.769 Do your thing. 327 00:18:53.509 --> 00:18:56.690 Well, doesn't it sound familiar from Spartanburg that, you know, 328 00:18:56.710 --> 00:19:00.269 you are forced to resign. You are not fired. There 329 00:19:00.309 --> 00:19:02.950 is no investigation into what you're doing. 330 00:19:02.970 --> 00:19:06.750 No consequences. No consequences. Somebody call Frank. 331 00:19:06.769 --> 00:19:08.670 We need to move over here to Michigan so we 332 00:19:08.690 --> 00:19:11.809 can botch the execution of fill in the fucking blank. 333 00:19:11.829 --> 00:19:12.369 Okay. 334 00:19:20.150 --> 00:19:23.750 So, yeah, I think there is no accountability, and I 335 00:19:23.789 --> 00:19:26.160 don't think there's any investigation, and I don't think. 336 00:19:26.059 --> 00:19:27.220 It just happens in Spartanburg. 337 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:31.119 It's obviously happening in Tennessee, and they're not really looking 338 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:34.359 into it because their governor said, you know, quit. Go 339 00:19:34.380 --> 00:19:36.420 to another state and do your stuff there. 340

00:19:37.019 --> 00:19:37.319 Bye. 341 00:19:37.380 --> 00:19:44.829 See ya. Quit. Go up here to Colt County and apply. Quit. 342 00:19:45.450 --> 00:19:49.089 Go to Cherokee County and apply. The list is endless. 343 00:19:49.589 --> 00:19:52.000 He's got 48 other states he gets to food bar. 344 00:19:56.559 --> 00:19:59.920 So this leads us up to the weeks prior to 345 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:06.009 Krista Pike's execution date. Now, it was told that Krista 346 00:20:06.750 --> 00:20:11.289 had refused and last milled. And it was also stated 347 00:20:11.369 --> 00:20:14.529 that she was refusing liquids and meals prior to her 348 00:20:14.569 --> 00:20:17.230 last meal. Do you know anything about this, Pauline? 349 00:20:18.529 --> 00:20:20.170 Yes, I checked into this. 350 00:20:20.369 --> 00:20:24.779 The lawyer and the prison system says that she had 351 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:29.680 Gatorade and ate lunch prior to her execution attempt. She 352 00:20:29.740 --> 00:20:33.740 refused her last meal so she could feed the homeless 353 00:20:33.779 --> 00:20:36.660 and supposedly that $ 20 pizza to 85 homeless people. 354 00:20:39.670 --> 00:20:40.950 I call bullshit. 355 00:20:42.730 --> 00:20:45.990 That sounds like some kind of serious media op for 356 00:20:46.430 --> 00:20:48.210 whatever reasons. 357 00:20:48.490 --> 00:20:50.839 Yeah. She knew she wasn't going to die. 358 00:20:50.859 --> 00:20:52.920 That's my opinion. 359 00:20:52.980 --> 00:20:55.880 I think she was planning it because she saw what 360 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:58.279 happened to Tony and she's like, you know what? I'm 361 00:20:58.299 --> 00:21:01.079 going to watch this and take notes so that I 362 00:21:01.099 --> 00:21:01.920 don't die either. 363 00:21:01.940 --> 00:21:03.279 I don't. 364 00:21:05.049 --> 00:21:08.450 Understand prison. I mean, I understand prisoners have rights and 365 00:21:08.470 --> 00:21:11.349 they're treated like shit and all that. But you're in 366 00:21:11.410 --> 00:21:15.940 prison for a reason. And I don't get how you 367 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:18.779 get a tablet. You get to watch the game. You 368 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:21.900 get to whatever, fill in the blank of all the 369 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:26.480 things that keep you connected to society. Go pull up 370 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:30.180 somebody in the SCDOC and just look at the infractions 371 00:21:30.220 --> 00:21:32.869 while they're in prison. A shit ton of them have. 372 00:21:33.710 --> 00:21:36.130 They have a cell phone. They're busted for having a 373 00:21:36.150 --> 00:21:40.380 cell phone. So she shouldn't have known anything about Tony's execution, 374 00:21:40.420 --> 00:21:44.420 in my opinion. Prisoners shouldn't have up-to-date information. Let your 375 00:21:44.440 --> 00:21:46.019 family come visit you once a week and tell you 376 00:21:46.039 --> 00:21:46.740 what the hell's going on. 377 00:21:47.619 --> 00:21:49.259 Do you think she knew about it, though? And

do 378 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:50.640 you think she studied up on it? 379 00:21:51.059 --> 00:21:53.779 Well, I mean, I think that they have access to 380 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:56.220 the Internet, of course. Well, she has every opportunity. It's 381 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:58.029 quite possible. Yeah. 382 00:21:58.049 --> 00:21:58.140 Yeah. 383 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:01.700 I mean, Todd Kohep had a freaking tablet. 384 00:22:02.390 --> 00:22:02.549 Right. 385 00:22:02.569 --> 00:22:05.069 He was doing podcasts from his prison cell. 386 00:22:05.710 --> 00:22:06.210 Yes. 387 00:22:07.890 --> 00:22:11.210 What is prison for? Put you in a cell and 388 00:22:11.250 --> 00:22:17.119 make money because there's like literally, where's the rehabilitation going on? 389 00:22:17.339 --> 00:22:20.640 Where's the punishment going on? 390 00:22:20.680 --> 00:22:24.279 Here's your tablet. It's inhumane, didn't you know, to put 391 00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:26.400 them in there and not give them all this stuff? 392 00:22:28.089 --> 00:22:28.549 Yeah. 393 00:22:29.299 --> 00:22:32.220 I think the basic necessities in life is what you 394 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:34.160 deserve when you're sentenced. 395 00:22:35.789 --> 00:22:38.069 I think it would be better if they went back 396 00:22:38.109 --> 00:22:40.690 to the way it used to be. No tablets, no phone. 397 00:22:41.470 --> 00:22:44.869 You get fed, you get drink, you got a place 398 00:22:44.910 --> 00:22:47.039 to sleep and you have to go out and work. 399 00:22:48.299 --> 00:22:49.819 And if you don't want to go out and work, 400 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:51.839 you can sit in your cell for 23 hours a day. 401 00:22:52.099 --> 00:22:53.859 But if you want to go out and work, then 402 00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:56.579 we'll give you day-for-day match of your prison sentence because 403 00:22:56.619 --> 00:22:58.599 you're actually showing some kind of initiative that you do 404 00:22:58.619 --> 00:23:00.000 want to get out of prison and you do want 405 00:23:00.019 --> 00:23:00.940 to do better with your life. 406 00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:02.119 Exactly. 407 00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:05.210 Instead of all these tablets and phones and they get 408 00:23:05.250 --> 00:23:08.150 to do whatever in the hell they want as if, 409 00:23:08.230 --> 00:23:10.710 you know, we're just feeding them and taking care of 410 00:23:10.730 --> 00:23:12.230 them and they ain't got to work a day in 411 00:23:12.250 --> 00:23:13.210 their damn life. 412 00:23:14.210 --> 00:23:17.670 I hope it shows how bad the prison system is doing. 413 00:23:18.369 --> 00:23:19.069 By humanity. 414 00:23:20.490 --> 00:23:22.529 On our last episode with Ken Good, and if you 415 00:23:22.549 --> 00:23:25.089 guys have not listened to that, I encourage you to 416 00:23:25.130 --> 00:23:28.329 go back and listen to that episode about bail reform. 417 00:23:29.049 --> 00:23:32.349 Ken Good is an attorney in Texas, and he kind 418 00:23:32.390 --> 00:23:34.950 of touched on this a little bit, which I thought 419 00:23:34.970 --> 00:23:39.349 was a very interesting conversation, is that you think about, 420 00:23:39.410 --> 00:23:41.130 and I think you were touching on it too, Ben, 421 00:23:41.250 --> 00:23:43.950 is you think about how life was when we grew 422 00:23:44.069 --> 00:23:48.220 up compared to life growing up today, and You know, 423 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:52.240 we sugarcoat everything for children today. You know, we give 424 00:23:52.380 --> 00:23:54.869 everyone a prize, no matter if you lost the game 425 00:23:54.950 --> 00:23:58.349 or you won the game. You're still just glad you 426 00:23:58.390 --> 00:23:59.069 played the game. 427 00:23:59.450 --> 00:23:59.809 Right. 428 00:24:00.549 --> 00:24:03.269 And I think we're seeing that as well in the 429 00:24:03.309 --> 00:24:04.170 prison systems. 430 00:24:04.630 --> 00:24:04.950 Oh, yeah. 431 00:24:05.829 --> 00:24:06.349 Yeah. 432 00:24:06.430 --> 00:24:12.690 I've looked up so many institutionalized people. A lot of 433 00:24:12.779 --> 00:24:17.250 it's the same stuff. Drug charges in prison. Cell phones 434 00:24:17.430 --> 00:24:22.309 in prison. It's a whole broken system. I say that 435 00:24:22.349 --> 00:24:26.650 about pretty much every system, every episode. If you just 436 00:24:27.750 --> 00:24:30.839 hover up here with the big picture and you don't 437 00:24:30.940 --> 00:24:34.180 see how broken it is, it's because at this point 438 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:35.940 you choose not to see how broken it is. 439 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:37.380 And here you are. 440 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:41.339 This is a cut and dry thing. You're sentenced to death. 441 00:24:42.019 --> 00:24:44.200 It is your day of execution. We are here to 442 00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:45.680 make sure that we follow the law and give you 443 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:49.200 your execution, which is what your sentence was. And instead, 444 00:24:49.220 --> 00:24:53.500 it becomes a whole damn circus. Execution is not a circus. 445 00:24:53.900 --> 00:24:59.200 It is execution. Done deal. It's a broken system. I agree. 446 00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:02.569 And, you know, like we're also talking about on the 447 00:25:02.609 --> 00:25:06.230 previous episode, that if we bring back the gallows and 448 00:25:06.349 --> 00:25:10.049 actually let people see, hey, if you commit this crime, 449 00:25:10.470 --> 00:25:12.509 this is your consequence. And we're going to show you 450 00:25:12.549 --> 00:25:14.690 what's going to happen to you. I think that would 451 00:25:14.730 --> 00:25:17.809 make a huge difference in the criminal system today. 452 00:25:18.410 --> 00:25:22.230 And that's still back and forth with our age, where 453 00:25:22.250 --> 00:25:25.380 we came from, and the age of today. Imagine a 454 00:25:26.650 --> 00:25:32.019 television station that showed the executions and laid out people's 455 00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:35.019 crimes as to why you're standing here

on these gallows today. 456 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:40.619 Imagine the reaction from society. 457 00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:46.680 They would be so outraged that they have to watch 458 00:25:46.740 --> 00:25:47.960 people face. 459 00:25:47.779 --> 00:25:52.980 Consequences, not because of anything that the person standing on 460 00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:58.009 the gallows is there for, but because they. 461 00:25:57.869 --> 00:26:01.230 Have to face this consequence. The consequence is the outrage, 462 00:26:01.329 --> 00:26:04.470 not the act that put them there. It is bizarro 463 00:26:04.529 --> 00:26:07.150 world on every level. 464 00:26:08.430 --> 00:26:11.450 This leads us to the day of Krista Pike's execution. 465 00:26:12.380 --> 00:26:15.920 And this was a very interesting day. We had just 466 00:26:15.940 --> 00:26:19.170 done a episode two days before her execution. So we 467 00:26:19.190 --> 00:26:22.049 were all like prepared to watch, listen and see what 468 00:26:22.109 --> 00:26:25.890 was going on. Well, in the morning, her execution was on. 469 00:26:26.490 --> 00:26:29.130 They went through all their stays or whatever. I think 470 00:26:29.170 --> 00:26:32.000 they gave her a brief stay in the morning at 471 00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:38.420 approximately 9 a.m. the Federal Appeals Court issued a temporary stay. 472 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:42.240 The whole day was just botched from the beginning because 473 00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:47.539 Krista Pike was scheduled to be executed at 10 a.m. 474 00:26:47.559 --> 00:26:52.579 Eastern Standard Time in Tennessee, but at 9 o'clock, just 475 00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:54.869 an hour before she was going to be executed, the 476 00:26:55.430 --> 00:26:59.309 Federal Appeals Court issued a temporary stay. So an hour 477 00:26:59.369 --> 00:27:01.529 before she was going to die, they issued that stay, 478 00:27:01.910 --> 00:27:06.200 and the attorneys continued the legal challenges. So Tennessee was 479 00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:10.359 seeking an emergency relief from the U.S. Supreme Court. This 480 00:27:10.420 --> 00:27:13.279 was on and off all day. And then nobody knew 481 00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:17.259 what was going on until about 530, the same day 482 00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:20.940 that evening. And remember, Colleen's mom had traveled all the 483 00:27:20.980 --> 00:27:23.720 way from Florida, I believe, to go to Tennessee to 484 00:27:23.819 --> 00:27:27.200 this execution. People were funding her to even be there 485 00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:30.140 because she finally, in 30 years, was going to see 486 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:32.650 and face justice and watch justice. 487 00:27:32.940 --> 00:27:34.640 She was going to watch the execution. 488 00:27:34.980 --> 00:27:42.099 And imagine what 30 years of building to that moment. 489 00:27:42.220 --> 00:27:49.380 You've waited to see justice happen. So, you know, we 490 00:27:49.420 --> 00:27:52.509 talk about Pauline when she went to court for marking off. 491 00:27:52.990 --> 00:27:55.829 That mother went to court and she knew that Krista 492 00:27:55.890 --> 00:28:00.269 had been sentenced to death. And for 30 years, they 493 00:28:00.369 --> 00:28:07.950 drug that woman along, letting her still believe that this 494 00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:12.059 is happening. They raised money, brought her to Tennessee for 495 00:28:12.099 --> 00:28:17.180 this execution. Imagine, I can't even, I'm 14 and a 496 00:28:17.220 --> 00:28:19.190 half years into insanity. 497 00:28:19.210 --> 00:28:25.460 I double that. Double this poor mom. Holy shit. 498 00:28:25.829 --> 00:28:26.130 Right. 499 00:28:26.210 --> 00:28:29.109 And so she's there all day, not knowing if they're 500 00:28:29.150 --> 00:28:32.289 even going to go through with this execution. And I 501 00:28:32.329 --> 00:28:34.529 was thinking to myself, there's no way they're going to 502 00:28:34.569 --> 00:28:36.529 do it now. They already called a stay. They're not 503 00:28:36.549 --> 00:28:38.789 going to execute her today. It's going to be a 504 00:28:38.849 --> 00:28:41.480 later date now. I'm for sure about that. And so 505 00:28:41.539 --> 00:28:43.480 I was talking to people on Facebook about it, and 506 00:28:43.500 --> 00:28:46.259 they're like, no, they have until midnight still. Even though 507 00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:49.519 there's a stay in place, they still have until midnight 508 00:28:49.579 --> 00:28:51.420 to follow through with her execution process. 509 00:28:51.710 --> 00:28:53.609 I'm like, wow, really? That's crazy. 510 00:28:53.630 --> 00:28:56.430 I would think it would be just done and we're 511 00:28:56.450 --> 00:28:59.640 done with it for today. And then at 5.50, it 512 00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:03.589 was back on and the Supreme Court allowed the execution 513 00:29:03.630 --> 00:29:06.599 to proceed. And I was like, well, Aren't they going 514 00:29:06.619 --> 00:29:09.599 to have to give the news people time to prepare 515 00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:14.019 and get ready and call the families back? She's like, no, girl. 516 00:29:14.220 --> 00:29:17.480 Everyone's there just waiting. Yeah, nobody left. 517 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:21.299 Yeah, I wouldn't have left. I'd have been sitting there waiting. 518 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:24.269 Had that been my child, I'd have been there all day. 519 00:29:24.309 --> 00:29:25.750 They wouldn't have got rid of my ass. 520 00:29:26.130 --> 00:29:28.130 Agreed. Absolutely agreed. 521 00:29:29.190 --> 00:29:33.789 At 6.41, witnesses started entering the viewing room. The curtains 522 00:29:33.849 --> 00:29:37.000 remained closed while the IV was being prepared. 523 00:29:38.019 --> 00:29:41.730 I believe you have a clip now, Sherry. I do. 524 00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:49.180 Hi, I'm Catherine Sweeney. I'm with WPLN. I'll just give 525 00:29:49.220 --> 00:29:51.839 you some top lines. Everybody else can share their notes. 526 00:29:52.609 --> 00:29:58.059 that breaks everything down by time.

But when we left at, um, well, 527 00:29:58.099 --> 00:30:01.259 when they told us to leave at 8 53, Krista 528 00:30:01.299 --> 00:30:05.859 Pike was still breathing. They did two separate rounds of Dobarbital, 529 00:30:05.900 --> 00:30:09.940 which I've never seen before. The protocol does say that 530 00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:12.140 they should do a second round. If the person is 531 00:30:12.180 --> 00:30:16.789 still alive after the first push of 500 milligrams of pentobarb, five, 532 00:30:17.150 --> 00:30:25.890 is it five grams? Anyway, um, just overview. She started 533 00:30:25.910 --> 00:30:26.470 coughing at 7.28. 534 00:30:26.470 --> 00:30:26.950 We came in at 7.27. 535 00:30:26.930 --> 00:30:27.250 Yeah, sorry. 536 00:30:27.269 --> 00:30:28.690 It's been a long day. 537 00:30:28.690 --> 00:30:28.819 Sorry. 538 00:30:28.859 --> 00:30:29.480 We came in at 6.27. 539 00:30:29.470 --> 00:30:29.910 Yeah, I'll just. 540 00:30:45.210 --> 00:30:47.900 Basically, all I have to say is they went through 541 00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:50.160 two rounds and she was still breathing at the end. 542 00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:53.240 It was very ragged. She lifted her head up and 543 00:30:53.259 --> 00:30:59.609 was looking around at one point. She said that there 544 00:30:59.619 --> 00:31:02.349 was a spot that was burning and hurting and asked 545 00:31:02.369 --> 00:31:06.490 if that was normal. None of it was normal. I 546 00:31:06.569 --> 00:31:09.849 covered all the executions last year and most of the 547 00:31:09.930 --> 00:31:12.319 ones this year. We haven't seen anything like it. 548 00:31:12.329 --> 00:31:14.210 It went really poorly. 549 00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:18.789 My name is Damon Lawrence. I work for the Rhone 550 00:31:18.829 --> 00:31:21.529 County News. I want to share a few things with 551 00:31:21.549 --> 00:31:27.750 you all. This started at 7.26. The warden asked Krista 552 00:31:27.769 --> 00:31:30.609 Pike if she had any last words. She said, I do. 553 00:31:31.450 --> 00:31:34.019 He told her to proceed. She said, I just want 554 00:31:34.059 --> 00:31:36.680 to say that I'm going to leave this world the 555 00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:38.960 way I spent most of my life, and that is 556 00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:46.259 with love. She said she loves the people who are 557 00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:48.299 angry with her just as much as she loves the 558 00:31:48.339 --> 00:31:56.240 people who are on her side. She said, I'm at 559 00:31:56.309 --> 00:32:05.809 peace and I'm ready to go. Her spiritual advisor was 560 00:32:05.869 --> 00:32:06.210 with her. 561 00:32:07.890 --> 00:32:07.990 What? 562 00:32:35.650 --> 00:32:38.230 And this is the point I can't understand, you guys, 563 00:32:38.329 --> 00:32:41.650 is because when they're preparing Krista, she already had some 564 00:32:41.690 --> 00:32:45.559 kind of vein disease going on. Supposedly, she might or 565 00:32:45.619 --> 00:32:50.519 may not be dehydrated. Her attorneys had already

even told 566 00:32:50.539 --> 00:32:54.240 the prison system, look, she needs a PICC line. You're 567 00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:57.259 not going to be able to establish an IV into 568 00:32:57.319 --> 00:32:59.559 her veins because of this disease she had. 569 00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:01.369 But the state of. 570 00:33:01.339 --> 00:33:05.180 Tennessee refused to listen to her attorneys and said, no, 571 00:33:05.220 --> 00:33:07.759 we're going to get an IV into her veins. Don't 572 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:12.720 worry about it. They tried 10 times. The 10th needle 573 00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:15.240 that they stuck in her arm was actually bent when 574 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:18.819 they took it out. So to me, I feel like 575 00:33:18.859 --> 00:33:22.140 the state botched this execution by even not listening to 576 00:33:22.180 --> 00:33:24.849 the attorneys. If they would have just listened to Krista's 577 00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:28.190 attorneys and put that PICC line in and had a 578 00:33:28.250 --> 00:33:32.329 direct access to her veins. She would not be alive today. 579 00:33:33.940 --> 00:33:37.279 So I don't understand how a damn needle got bent. 580 00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:42.579 I was a phlebotomist and I took blood for a living. 581 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:46.279 How did you bend that needle? It wasn't done in 582 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:46.839 her arm? 583 00:33:47.329 --> 00:33:49.910 I don't know. Well, I was just in the hospital 584 00:33:49.950 --> 00:33:51.809 the other day and I'm telling you when I put 585 00:33:51.910 --> 00:33:54.609 IV in my arm, those things are a lot thicker. 586 00:33:55.299 --> 00:33:58.000 Than when they're drawing blood. And it is harder to 587 00:33:58.099 --> 00:34:00.220 find the vein. They actually blew my vein. And I've 588 00:34:00.259 --> 00:34:03.529 got great veins. I'm like, how did you blow my vein? 589 00:34:03.589 --> 00:34:06.089 And now I'm hemorrhaging because you blew my vein. 590 00:34:06.670 --> 00:34:10.309 Because I sliced through the back of your vein. The 591 00:34:10.349 --> 00:34:15.389 tip of the needle for eyes and drawing blood, whatever works. 592 00:34:16.260 --> 00:34:20.730 needles the tip of it is slanted like one side 593 00:34:20.769 --> 00:34:23.650 is a razor and if you put that side down 594 00:34:23.730 --> 00:34:26.449 it slides in because the top of the needle is 595 00:34:26.530 --> 00:34:31.260 like a razor it's if that makes any sense that's 596 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:33.599 how they taught me when i was in phlebotomy class 597 00:34:34.579 --> 00:34:38.739 that needle is a razor so and there are bigger 598 00:34:38.780 --> 00:34:42.530 needles you know They could have used the correct needle. 599 00:34:42.659 --> 00:34:45.260 It's not like you don't have options of needle sizes. 600 00:34:45.659 --> 00:34:47.619 I don't even understand why that was a huge thing. 601 00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:49.519 If they already knew that they were going to have 602 00:34:49.599 -->

00:34:53.920 issues with her veins, they'd be medically inclined to do 603 00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:55.539 whatever's going. 604 00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:56.619 To be best to get this line. 605 00:34:57.150 --> 00:35:03.250 So there's a lot of things that don't make medical sense. 606 00:35:04.829 --> 00:35:06.650 So when they say the needle was bent, I have 607 00:35:06.690 --> 00:35:10.929 to wonder, was it bent at the connection or, Or 608 00:35:10.969 --> 00:35:12.150 was like the tip bent? 609 00:35:12.190 --> 00:35:14.170 Because I'm not buying the tip was bent. 610 00:35:14.530 --> 00:35:18.610 I can see maybe a little bit in at the 611 00:35:19.010 --> 00:35:22.860 where it connects to go to the vial. But I'm 612 00:35:22.900 --> 00:35:24.940 just not seeing you bending a needle like that in 613 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:25.579 somebody's arm. 614 00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:28.659 And I guess behind the scene, you know, the curtains 615 00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:30.579 were closed at this time and they can hear all 616 00:35:30.619 --> 00:35:33.920 this ruckus going on while they're trying to get these 617 00:35:34.019 --> 00:35:36.880 needles in her arms. But could you just imagine 10 618 00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:39.760 different needles and they can't find a vein? At what 619 00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:41.880 point do you say, you know what? There's something going 620 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.170 on here. I think our attorneys are right. We need 621 00:35:45.210 --> 00:35:47.670 a PICC line. We can't get this in because, you know, 622 00:35:47.789 --> 00:35:49.530 if you're not getting it in and like you say 623 00:35:49.570 --> 00:35:52.030 with mine, they might have sliced right through my vein. 624 00:35:52.510 --> 00:35:55.880 Perhaps that's what happened with Krista. And that's why the 625 00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:58.780 medicine did not go directly into her vein and stayed 626 00:35:58.840 --> 00:35:59.579 in her arm. 627 00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:04.139 But what I read was that they did get one 628 00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:08.159 in and they pushed the medicine too fast and blew 629 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:08.820 the vein. 630 00:36:10.929 --> 00:36:11.989 Not on people. 631 00:36:12.230 --> 00:36:17.630 I mean, honestly, people out here dying every day from 632 00:36:17.929 --> 00:36:22.409 much simpler reasons. I don't understand why if at first 633 00:36:22.429 --> 00:36:24.440 you don't succeed, you go to plan B. 634 00:36:25.489 --> 00:36:27.630 If plan b don't work you go to plan c 635 00:36:28.010 --> 00:36:29.230 the plan today is. 636 00:36:29.190 --> 00:36:33.420 To execute this person who has earned this seat why 637 00:36:34.059 --> 00:36:37.219 i don't understand why any life-saving efforts were made. 638 00:36:37.059 --> 00:36:41.250 At all right that made no sense to me either 639 00:36:41.670 --> 00:36:45.369 because it's cruel and unusual punishment i mean she's there 640 00:36:45.429 --> 00:36:47.250 to die let her die. 641 00:36:48.590

--> 00:36:50.500 Yeah, and I want to go through the minutes because 642 00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:52.679 I think it was really important because I remember I 643 00:36:52.699 --> 00:36:55.159 was watching TV that night. It's not like it was 644 00:36:55.179 --> 00:36:58.320 9-11 or anything. It was very interesting to me because 645 00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:00.219 I was like, what is going on? All of a sudden, 646 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:04.150 this execution is on. And when the reporters come out, 647 00:37:04.190 --> 00:37:10.650 they're almost dumbfounded. They could not believe what they saw. Pauline, 648 00:37:10.710 --> 00:37:13.869 go through the timeline of the behind the scenes when 649 00:37:13.909 --> 00:37:16.409 they're actually in the execution chamber. 650 00:37:18.530 --> 00:37:23.050 Okay, at 726, the curtains open. Pike's restrained and on 651 00:37:23.090 --> 00:37:29.170 the gurney. 727 to 730, final statements and singing with 652 00:37:29.210 --> 00:37:34.650 the spiritual advisor. 734, Pike complains that her arm feels 653 00:37:34.730 --> 00:37:41.070 like it's about to burst. 737, witnesses observed deep breathing 654 00:37:41.219 --> 00:37:48.420 and movement. 741 to 745, Continued signs of life. 746, 655 00:37:48.420 --> 00:37:54.539 the curtain closes without death declared. 749, the curtain opens, 656 00:37:55.260 --> 00:38:00.519 continues to breathe. 749 to 805, witnesses describe snoring, moaning. 657 00:38:00.820 --> 00:38:01.900 And labored breathing. 658 00:38:01.900 --> 00:38:09.079 805, the curtain closes again. 815, attorney seeks to stop 659 00:38:09.099 --> 00:38:16.900 the execution. 853, witnesses removed and Pike was not pronounced dead. 660 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:20.079 And I believe you have a clip there too, Sherry. 661 00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:21.380 Yes, I do. 662 00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:29.389 One of the youngest women to be sentenced to death 663 00:38:29.469 --> 00:38:35.469 in America. Krista Pike was convicted of a horrific murder 664 00:38:35.789 --> 00:38:43.949 three decades ago. Last night, the state of Tennessee... attempted 665 00:38:44.210 --> 00:38:48.630 and failed to execute her, administering not one, but two 666 00:38:48.750 --> 00:38:54.460 doses of a supposedly lethal injection. Outside the prison, flanked 667 00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:59.820 by pictures of Pike's victim, Colleen Slemmer, journalists described what 668 00:38:59.860 --> 00:39:01.860 they saw of the botched execution. 669 00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:05.159 Advisor says, relax, and she says, I'm trying. 670 00:39:05.179 --> 00:39:11.889 Yeah, she's talking throughout this, then starts breathing, moaning, snoring. 671 00:39:14.260 --> 00:39:19.440 The curtains close at first at 746 and she was. 672 00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:20.920 Clearly still alive. 673 00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:24.230 I heard them say, bring the clergy back in, which 674 00:39:24.269 --> 00:39:26.489 I've never seen before, but that meant they're going to 675 00:39:26.550 --> 00:39:31.570 try again. So we watched that happen. and then they 676 00:39:31.650 --> 00:39:33.510 closed the curtain for the second time and the curtain 677 00:39:33.530 --> 00:39:36.150 didn't open again we just listened as they said to 678 00:39:36.210 --> 00:39:41.659 her snoring and making very loud breathing sounds for almost an. 679 00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:46.260 Hour lethal injections have failed in the past including one 680 00:39:46.300 --> 00:39:50.250 in tennessee earlier this year But experts say this case 681 00:39:50.510 --> 00:39:55.139 is unparalleled. Pike was taken to hospital last night, her 682 00:39:55.179 --> 00:40:00.239 condition unclear, the state governor ordering a halt to further executions. 683 00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:02.539 There are very few answers this morning. 684 00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:03.539 It's very early. 685 00:40:04.949 --> 00:40:06.050 There are a lot of questions. 686 00:40:08.030 --> 00:40:11.710 The people of our state deserve to have those questions answered. 687 00:40:12.889 --> 00:40:15.409 And that's what this investigation is for. 688 00:40:16.289 --> 00:40:18.880 The young woman's badly beaten body was found in a 689 00:40:18.909 --> 00:40:21.199 remote area of UT's Ag Campus. 690 00:40:21.619 --> 00:40:24.300 It was 30 years ago that Krista Pike and her 691 00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:28.099 boyfriend were found guilty of torturing and killing a classmate, 692 00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:29.360 Colleen Slemmer. 693 00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:32.340 All kinds of ritualistic abuse that it doesn't fit into. 694 00:40:32.780 --> 00:40:36.340 The trial was full of gruesome details, with her boyfriend 695 00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:40.480 carving a pentagram on the victim's chest, sparking fears of 696 00:40:40.579 --> 00:40:44.360 Satan worship, and Pike keeping part of her skull as 697 00:40:44.420 --> 00:40:49.889 a souvenir. But Pike's lawyers argue she's expressed remorse, and 698 00:40:49.929 --> 00:40:53.190 the awful sexual abuse she suffered as a child means 699 00:40:53.530 --> 00:40:55.530 she should never have been sentenced to death. 700 00:40:57.780 --> 00:41:01.880 The girl who was murdered deserved protection. The girl who 701 00:41:01.940 --> 00:41:06.530 grew up surrounded by violence deserved protection before she became 702 00:41:06.610 --> 00:41:12.050 capable of violence herself. We failed them both in different ways. 703 00:41:13.670 --> 00:41:17.989 America is the only Western democracy to actively practice the 704 00:41:18.030 --> 00:41:21.809 death penalty. The number of executions carried out in the 705 00:41:21.929 --> 00:41:25.570 US has fallen dramatically since the turn of the century. 706 00:41:26.489 --> 00:41:29.369 But since President Trump came to office, there's been a 707 00:41:29.489 --> 00:41:33.969 noticeable uptick. Only a relatively small number of states carry 708 00:41:34.050 --> 00:41:39.480 out executions. Historically, Texas has seen the most. But Florida

709 00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:43.340 has been driving the recent rise, responsible for more than 710 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:44.739 half of those this year. 711 00:41:45.539 --> 00:41:47.679 A majority of people under the age of 50 do 712 00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:50.840 not support the death penalty. And the biggest indication of 713 00:41:50.889 --> 00:41:53.230 the reduce of interest in the death penalty is the 714 00:41:53.289 --> 00:41:57.070 number of death sentences. Juries are just not sentencing people 715 00:41:57.110 --> 00:42:00.730 to death that much in America anymore. The problem is 716 00:42:00.909 --> 00:42:04.760 that there are politicians, and particularly the Trump administration, has 717 00:42:04.900 --> 00:42:08.929 encouraged states to expand the use of the death penalty. 718 00:42:09.570 --> 00:42:13.389 Supporters of Pike's death sentence had gathered outside the prison 719 00:42:13.690 --> 00:42:17.530 earlier in the day. Many in America remain in favour 720 00:42:17.690 --> 00:42:23.010 of capital punishment, including the mother of Colleen Slemmer, Krista 721 00:42:23.050 --> 00:42:27.980 Pike's victim. She's expressed anger that the execution of her 722 00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:31.320 daughter's killer ended in such a debacle. 723 00:42:32.949 --> 00:42:35.769 What I can't understand is when you're in an execution, 724 00:42:36.710 --> 00:42:41.369 normally when I've heard about an execution taking place, it 725 00:42:41.530 --> 00:42:46.260 usually takes six to 10 minutes from the second dose 726 00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:51.480 that the person is pronounced dead. In this case with Krista, 727 00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:54.519 they started at 727 and the curtain is opened and 728 00:42:54.619 --> 00:43:03.800 closed within 20 minutes of trying to kill her. At 729 00:43:03.860 --> 00:43:07.159 what point did they not realize that this execution was botched? 730 00:43:07.820 --> 00:43:08.820 I think they knew right away. 731 00:43:09.940 --> 00:43:12.320 But they just wanted to continue doing it and carrying 732 00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:13.139 out the sentence? 733 00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:15.929 To perform the performance. 734 00:43:18.130 --> 00:43:19.809 And I guess they didn't want people to look at 735 00:43:19.829 --> 00:43:21.909 them like, we're dumb and we can't do this. We 736 00:43:21.929 --> 00:43:24.849 can't follow through with it. This is malpractice, I guess. 737 00:43:24.989 --> 00:43:27.809 How's that working out for them? How's that working out 738 00:43:27.849 --> 00:43:28.130 for them? 739 00:43:30.650 --> 00:43:32.710 Yeah, I definitely look at them like they ain't dumb. 740 00:43:32.929 --> 00:43:35.730 Like they ain't the dumbest mugs on the earth. Like 741 00:43:35.769 --> 00:43:40.619 you had one job. How dumb are you? This is 742 00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:44.880 where Pauline goes, we're not advocating that people are dumb. 743 00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:46.559 No, people are dumb. 744 00:43:47.059 --> 00:43:50.590 I'm

with you on this one. People are dumb. You 745 00:43:50.650 --> 00:43:51.889 cannot fix stupid. 746 00:43:52.329 --> 00:43:53.130 It's an epidemic. 747 00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:57.000 The reporters in the room during the time, I could 748 00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:00.380 just imagine, you know, when the curtain is open. And 749 00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:02.820 let me ask you this. Do you guys know anything 750 00:44:02.860 --> 00:44:05.469 about the rock being placed next to her? 751 00:44:05.650 --> 00:44:08.309 The white rock? No. 752 00:44:10.090 --> 00:44:12.610 During this whole process, too, there was a white rock 753 00:44:12.670 --> 00:44:15.389 placed next to her. During the time that they are 754 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:20.409 doing all the needles and the last words. She did 755 00:44:20.449 --> 00:44:22.989 have a spiritual advisor next to her, and they were 756 00:44:23.070 --> 00:44:26.590 singing songs about love and, you know, that she said 757 00:44:26.650 --> 00:44:30.510 she was ready to go. Everything seemed fine. But most 758 00:44:30.550 --> 00:44:34.320 people don't get to see a botched execution. And I 759 00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.360 think for the reporter's point of view, when they started 760 00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:42.219 seeing that she was still moaning and still breathing, they're like, 761 00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:46.219 what is going on? And then when they closed the curtains, 762 00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:50.289 reporters had a huge problem with that because that should 763 00:44:50.309 --> 00:44:53.530 be public witness, and they should have never closed the 764 00:44:53.650 --> 00:44:55.889 curtains to see what was going on. 765 00:44:55.909 --> 00:44:58.130 Yeah, I don't know why they would close the curtains 766 00:44:58.170 --> 00:45:01.059 at all. I mean, they're in a witness chamber for 767 00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:01.539 a reason. 768 00:45:01.940 --> 00:45:04.000 Well, they couldn't see what they were doing behind the 769 00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:05.059 scenes now. 770 00:45:06.579 --> 00:45:07.260 That part. 771 00:45:07.860 --> 00:45:10.539 I'm about to get Paulina, tinfoil tiara. 772 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:14.670 We'll be matching. We'll be matching. 773 00:45:15.130 --> 00:45:18.269 So after all this happens, they finally remove all the witnesses, 774 00:45:18.349 --> 00:45:22.449 including Colleen's mom. They're all out here in this podium. 775 00:45:22.469 --> 00:45:27.130 There's this big tent. And all the reporters, they start 776 00:45:27.170 --> 00:45:30.010 coming out one by one and reading the times and 777 00:45:30.050 --> 00:45:33.110 what they noticed at a certain time. You could tell 778 00:45:33.150 --> 00:45:35.809 they were very shook up. And I was like, what 779 00:45:35.829 --> 00:45:38.050 the heck? And at this point, I'm like, they killed her. 780 00:45:38.489 --> 00:45:40.130 I guess they're shook up because they killed her. 781 00:45:40.610 --> 00:45:41.289 What's going on? 782 00:45:41.309 --> 00:45:44.329 And as they're going through the reports, then they're saying, 783 00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:45.739 She was still snoring. 784 00:45:45.929 --> 00:45:46.780 This was happening. 785 00:45:47.340 --> 00:45:50.780 And their reports were just really eerie to hear. And 786 00:45:51.500 --> 00:45:54.340 as one reporter was giving his accounts, all of a 787 00:45:54.380 --> 00:45:57.420 sudden you see all these fire trucks and ambulance show 788 00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:00.940 up behind the scene where the reporter is giving his 789 00:46:00.980 --> 00:46:03.699 account of what he saw. And then I was like, 790 00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:06.119 holy shit, what is going on here? 791 00:46:06.539 --> 00:46:07.300 There's ambulance. 792 00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:08.860 Why would there be ambulance here? 793 00:46:08.889 --> 00:46:12.829 I don't understand why you have any life-saving efforts. I mean, 794 00:46:12.849 --> 00:46:15.789 they said they put her on... a ventilator at the hospital, 795 00:46:16.170 --> 00:46:19.179 why is any or anyone breathing for her? 796 00:46:19.329 --> 00:46:22.010 This is supposed to be execution. Just because she. 797 00:46:21.909 --> 00:46:25.449 Didn't die in this allotted time, why would you just 798 00:46:25.510 --> 00:46:26.849 not let the process finish? 799 00:46:27.969 --> 00:46:28.969 Exactly. 800 00:46:29.730 --> 00:46:33.199 But would the process finished because it didn't go in 801 00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:35.920 her vein? I don't think she would have died anyways. 802 00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:38.369 Well, I think if a ventilator is breathing for you, 803 00:46:38.380 --> 00:46:40.039 you had a pretty good chance of dying. 804 00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:42.940 Well, that is true. That is very true. 805 00:46:43.670 --> 00:46:48.550 Approximately 8.15, this is when they received this 911 call, 806 00:46:48.570 --> 00:46:52.400 and it was an emergency response, and it was a 807 00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:55.920 call from the prison. The caller reported that Pike had 808 00:46:55.980 --> 00:46:58.760 received 10 grams of barbitol. 809 00:47:00.340 --> 00:47:05.730 She remained alive. The caller described unconsciousness and slow labored breathing. 810 00:47:06.389 --> 00:47:10.590 Dispatcher requests the verification code. The caller could not provide 811 00:47:10.630 --> 00:47:14.550 the verification code. And I think that's important there. They 812 00:47:14.650 --> 00:47:17.369 have to have a verification code coming from a prison 813 00:47:17.389 --> 00:47:19.570 because you can't just call an ambulance for anything in 814 00:47:19.610 --> 00:47:20.130 a prison. 815 00:47:20.849 --> 00:47:23.429 Anytime we took an ambulance to a prison, the ambulance 816 00:47:23.469 --> 00:47:26.960 had to be searched before it entered the prison and 817 00:47:27.139 --> 00:47:28.559 after it left the prison. 818 00:47:29.380 --> 00:47:29.860 Oh, wow. 819 00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:33.900 I don't think the call came from the actual prison.

820 00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:37.710 I think the call came from her attorneys because what's 821 00:47:37.829 --> 00:47:41.230 interesting is they had a call back. 911 actually called 822 00:47:41.269 --> 00:47:44.739 the prison and and said, we just received a 911 823 00:47:44.739 --> 00:47:49.519 call about a prisoner that's unconscious. And they're like, we're 824 00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:52.139 not sure what you're talking about, ma'am. And we have 825 00:47:52.219 --> 00:47:53.719 that 911 call as well. 826 00:47:54.610 --> 00:47:58.170 Yeah, that was at 9 o'clock is when that happened. 827 00:47:59.690 --> 00:48:04.449 And then at 9-11, they confirmed that there was an emergency, 828 00:48:04.510 --> 00:48:06.230 that they did need an ambulance. 829 00:48:08.019 --> 00:48:10.880 New details tonight in the failed execution of Krista Pike. 830 00:48:11.420 --> 00:48:14.340 We're now learning about a major delay in getting an 831 00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:17.760 ambulance to the prison. News Channel 5 investigates discovered there 832 00:48:17.780 --> 00:48:20.030 was a lot of confusion about whether to even summon 833 00:48:20.070 --> 00:48:23.150 first responders to Riverbend after the state failed to put 834 00:48:23.210 --> 00:48:26.489 Pike to death. Investigative reporter Jennifer Krause is here to 835 00:48:26.530 --> 00:48:28.489 tell us why. And I know you just got information 836 00:48:28.510 --> 00:48:30.789 a short time ago. You've been going through it. What 837 00:48:30.809 --> 00:48:31.750 do we know at this point? 838 00:48:31.909 --> 00:48:34.230 Well, Roy, you know, They've referred to this as a 839 00:48:34.489 --> 00:48:38.110 botched execution. But what you're about to hear, you're going 840 00:48:38.130 --> 00:48:41.340 to hear that this was also pretty bad as well. 841 00:48:41.739 --> 00:48:44.079 And it all began with the 911 call for an 842 00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:46.900 ambulance from the prison. Before we get to that, let. 843 00:48:46.820 --> 00:48:47.460 Me first explain. 844 00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:50.070 You're not going to hear the actual first 911 call 845 00:48:50.090 --> 00:48:52.809 from the prison because the Department of Correction argues that 846 00:48:52.909 --> 00:48:56.269 hearing that caller's voice will reveal his identity and state 847 00:48:56.289 --> 00:48:59.110 law makes the names of everyone involved in the execution 848 00:48:59.130 --> 00:49:02.949 process confidential. But through a public records request, we were 849 00:49:03.030 --> 00:49:05.519 able to get a transcript of that call and other 850 00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:08.860 crucial audio that reveals how efforts to get Krista Pike 851 00:49:08.900 --> 00:49:13.989 emergency help got off to a really rough start. It 852 00:49:14.050 --> 00:49:17.769 began at 840 that night with a 911 call from 853 00:49:17.829 --> 00:49:21.599 Riverbend Prison. The state had tried and failed to execute 854 00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:24.780 death row inmate Krista Pike, but there was a problem. 855 00:49:25.340 --> 00:49:29.469 Metro's Emergency Communications Center requires callers from the state prison 856 00:49:29.510 --> 00:49:33.030 in northwest Nashville to follow a certain security protocol to 857 00:49:33.070 --> 00:49:37.349 prevent prank or fake calls or prison escapes. In this 858 00:49:37.349 --> 00:49:40.030 911 call, after the dispatcher asks the location of the 859 00:49:40.090 --> 00:49:44.190 emergency and the caller says Riverbend, the dispatcher asks, what's 860 00:49:44.210 --> 00:49:48.820 your code? The caller appears confused and says, I'm sorry. Again, 861 00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:52.280 the dispatcher asks, what's your code? The caller, who we've 862 00:49:52.300 --> 00:49:55.260 been told is an official with the Department of Correction, 863 00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:58.510 did not only not have the required code, but he 864 00:49:58.550 --> 00:50:01.659 did not even seem to know what it was. Again, asking, 865 00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:05.219 my code for reporting an emergency or do you want 866 00:50:05.260 --> 00:50:08.219 to know what the emergency is? Again, the dispatcher asked, 867 00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:13.139 what's the code for the location? The caller, I don't 868 00:50:13.179 --> 00:50:16.719 have a code. The dispatcher responded, okay, you don't have 869 00:50:16.739 --> 00:50:21.449 a verification code? The caller replied, I don't. Again, this 870 00:50:21.489 --> 00:50:24.289 call came in at 8.40. Keep in mind, this was 871 00:50:24.349 --> 00:50:27.130 more than half an hour after media witnesses say they 872 00:50:27.170 --> 00:50:30.090 watched Pike gasp for air and it was clear they said, 873 00:50:30.409 --> 00:50:33.570 there'd been a problem with the execution. What's not clear 874 00:50:33.630 --> 00:50:36.010 is why the Department of Correction waited so long to 875 00:50:36.050 --> 00:50:39.989 make that 911 call, or why the TDOC official had 876 00:50:40.050 --> 00:50:43.500 no idea about the required code. What followed were a 877 00:50:43.579 --> 00:50:46.960 series of calls where 911 employees tried to figure out 878 00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:51.159 what to do next, calling a Metro Police supervisor, Nashville Fire, 879 00:50:51.409 --> 00:50:52.349 and the THP. 880 00:50:53.389 --> 00:50:56.030 We don't know anything about that as of now. 881 00:50:56.510 --> 00:50:58.309 No one was sure if this was a real call 882 00:50:58.329 --> 00:51:00.730 or not, and no one could believe that the 911 883 00:51:00.730 --> 00:51:03.780 caller didn't know about the required code. 884 00:51:03.820 --> 00:51:06.860 They said they don't have a code, and it's for 885 00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:10.219 the woman that's supposed to be executed. But they said 886 00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:12.519 they don't have a code, so we're trying to figure out. 887 00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:14.199 How do they not have a code? 888 00:51:14.659 --> 00:51:15.670 Is it at Riverbend? 889 00:51:16.210 -->

00:51:16.909 Yeah, it's at Riverbend. 890 00:51:17.409 --> 00:51:19.030 That's the one place we definitely need a code. 891 00:51:19.530 --> 00:51:23.429 Dispatchers even repeatedly called the prison trying to verify the call. 892 00:51:24.329 --> 00:51:25.150 Who called you? 893 00:51:26.130 --> 00:51:28.530 We didn't call anybody. I would have been the one 894 00:51:28.550 --> 00:51:29.250 to call you guys. 895 00:51:29.570 --> 00:51:32.730 That prompted this announcement from dispatch over the radio. 896 00:51:32.969 --> 00:51:35.210 We have been informed that it is a false call. 897 00:51:35.469 --> 00:51:38.690 There is no medical assistance needed at Riverbend Prison. 898 00:51:39.030 --> 00:51:42.219 But moments later at 9.06, nearly half an hour after 899 00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:45.510 the original request for an ambulance, there was another call 900 00:51:45.530 --> 00:51:49.469 from the prison asking dispatchers to send help. Only this time. 901 00:51:49.489 --> 00:51:51.429 Let me know when you're ready for the code. 902 00:51:51.449 --> 00:51:53.250 I'm ready for the code. 903 00:51:54.010 --> 00:51:56.170 And it was about this same time another call came 904 00:51:56.230 --> 00:51:59.750 in to 911. This one from one of Krista Pike's attorneys. 905 00:51:59.769 --> 00:52:03.949 She's still alive and breathing and needs immediate life saving care. 906 00:52:04.309 --> 00:52:06.829 A fire truck and ambulance had actually been dispatched to 907 00:52:06.849 --> 00:52:09.829 the prison shortly after the initial call, but waited just 908 00:52:09.909 --> 00:52:13.090 outside the gate until someone could produce the security code. 909 00:52:13.659 --> 00:52:16.150 But even then, they waited as dispatchers tried to find 910 00:52:16.230 --> 00:52:19.349 someone to escort the fire crew into the prison, first 911 00:52:19.429 --> 00:52:21.650 calling the THP and being turned away. 912 00:52:21.670 --> 00:52:24.329 Can you send a trooper out there because my officer 913 00:52:24.429 --> 00:52:25.150 or my sergeant won't. 914 00:52:25.030 --> 00:52:25.789 Let us in anybody. 915 00:52:26.469 --> 00:52:29.989 Finally, you can see reporters covering the execution spot the 916 00:52:30.050 --> 00:52:34.170 emergency crews pulling onto the prison grounds. Then, the fire 917 00:52:34.230 --> 00:52:38.039 truck and ambulance stop just outside the gate, waiting yet 918 00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:42.239 another minute and a half, apparently for their security escort. 919 00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:42.449 To show up. 920 00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:46.099 Pike was finally loaded onto an ambulance nearly an hour 921 00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:50.400 after the initial 911 call. And at 928, the ambulance 922 00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:53.340 can be seen with flashing lights pulling out of the 923 00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:57.900 prison property. And I found even more confusion listening to 924 00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:01.119 the emergency radio traffic. The fire crew waiting outside the 925 00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:03.289 prison was being told, as you heard at one point, 926 00:53:03.329 --> 00:53:06.969 that it was a false call. Then someone came running 927 00:53:07.150 --> 00:53:09.409 up to them from the prison, insisting it was real 928 00:53:09.449 --> 00:53:12.889 and demanding they go inside. This person apparently identified themselves 929 00:53:12.969 --> 00:53:16.110 as a state official, but again, they did not have 930 00:53:16.130 --> 00:53:19.710 the code. There was also some confusion about where they 931 00:53:19.750 --> 00:53:21.679 were going to take her. According to the radio traffic, 932 00:53:21.699 --> 00:53:24.000 they were on their way to one hospital when suddenly 933 00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:26.239 that hospital said, no, you need to be diverted, and 934 00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:28.059 they ended up at Vanderbilt. 935 00:53:28.219 --> 00:53:31.059 So many questions and confusion, but back to that code. 936 00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:33.699 The caller not only didn't have the code, but didn't 937 00:53:33.739 --> 00:53:35.599 even know anything about it, it seemed, right? 938 00:53:35.659 --> 00:53:38.900 Right, and this is an official, we understand, with TDOC. 939 00:53:39.650 --> 00:53:41.670 We figured this person would at least be aware of 940 00:53:41.710 --> 00:53:44.309 the security protocol at the prison, or at least, when 941 00:53:44.349 --> 00:53:46.309 informed that they needed a code, would be able to 942 00:53:46.349 --> 00:53:49.170 get it rather quickly since they were there at the prison. 943 00:53:49.710 --> 00:53:52.739 I reached out to the TDOC spokesperson with these questions. 944 00:53:53.260 --> 00:53:55.619 She told me she was unable to comment on this 945 00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:56.039 right now. 946 00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:57.440 We had a lot to sort through. 947 00:53:57.460 --> 00:53:59.360 All right, Jen, thank you for the update. 948 00:54:00.420 --> 00:54:04.590 But isn't it just interesting that when 911 calls them back, 949 00:54:04.650 --> 00:54:07.630 they're like, No, there's no emergency here. We don't know 950 00:54:07.650 --> 00:54:11.190 what you're talking about. No one called 911. It was 951 00:54:11.309 --> 00:54:15.469 almost like they were purposely trying to hide. 952 00:54:15.230 --> 00:54:17.650 The fact that they had botched this execution. 953 00:54:19.349 --> 00:54:21.230 I don't think they were trying to hide it because 954 00:54:21.550 --> 00:54:25.280 the call probably come from the attorney. And then it 955 00:54:25.340 --> 00:54:28.079 probably went to their main line who might not have 956 00:54:28.139 --> 00:54:32.070 known anything was happening. might not have known that they 957 00:54:32.150 --> 00:54:36.480 tried to call 911. Because 11 minutes later, they're notified 958 00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:39.039 and they do call and get somebody out there. 959 00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:42.039 I'm with Ben on this. Why the hell did they 960 00:54:42.079 -->

00:54:42.760 even try? 961 00:54:44.340 --> 00:54:47.170 That's the part that just doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't 962 00:54:47.230 --> 00:54:50.969 you just let the drugs do their thing? Even if 963 00:54:51.010 --> 00:54:53.789 they just seeped into her body, obviously, on some level, 964 00:54:53.829 --> 00:54:55.920 they're working. You had to put her on a ventilator. 965 00:54:56.480 --> 00:55:00.739 But isn't it because that's cruel, inhumane treatment of a 966 00:55:00.780 --> 00:55:01.019 human being? 967 00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:01.460 I don't know. 968 00:55:01.539 --> 00:55:05.829 Is stabbing somebody over 200 times cruel and inhumane? Exactly. 969 00:55:06.289 --> 00:55:08.289 Yeah, but we're the law. We're on the side of 970 00:55:08.329 --> 00:55:10.329 the law. We're not the criminal side. 971 00:55:10.349 --> 00:55:13.670 The law declared that her ass had to die. 972 00:55:14.860 --> 00:55:17.659 So why the hell did they stop it and allow 973 00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:20.860 her to live? They should have allowed her to die 974 00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:22.539 like she was supposed to. 975 00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:25.039 But the law says you have to do it in 976 00:55:25.099 --> 00:55:26.159 a humane way. 977 00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:29.760 And the law says that at a certain time, that 978 00:55:29.820 --> 00:55:32.889 is not a humane way to kill somebody, to let 979 00:55:32.929 --> 00:55:33.670 them suffer. 980 00:55:33.690 --> 00:55:34.789 Same result. 981 00:55:34.889 --> 00:55:37.150 It had been the same result. If no one would 982 00:55:37.170 --> 00:55:40.349 have intervened, the result would have been the same. How 983 00:55:40.389 --> 00:55:41.239 inhumane was it? 984 00:55:41.269 --> 00:55:44.150 She was already unconscious. Then it wouldn't have been a 985 00:55:44.190 --> 00:55:47.989 botched execution. It would have worked. That part. 986 00:55:50.429 --> 00:55:52.800 So I don't know about inhumane to me was her 987 00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:56.280 stabbing Colleen over 200 times. Inhumane to me was Colleen 988 00:55:56.340 --> 00:56:00.199 begging for her life. That's inhumane. So on any level, 989 00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:04.099 no matter how you execute this chick, she's never going 990 00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:06.800 to face the inhumane treatment that she dosed out. 991 00:56:07.659 --> 00:56:10.690 So how inhumane is it to just let her die? 992 00:56:11.570 --> 00:56:15.300 Yeah, she's complaining about being stuck 10 times with a needle. Well, 993 00:56:15.739 --> 00:56:19.440 Colleen was stabbed over 200 times, so come on. 994 00:56:19.460 --> 00:56:19.519 No. 995 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:24.440 They're complaining that it took 35 minutes, you know, for 996 00:56:24.500 --> 00:56:27.239 the ambulance to show up to her. Well, it was 997 00:56:27.300 --> 00:56:30.239 anywhere between 30 to 60 minutes it took for Colleen 998 00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:32.849 to die, and she didn't call an ambulance for her. 999 00:56:33.590 --> 00:56:36.610 So they should have left Krista there and let the 1000 00:56:36.670 --> 00:56:37.369 bitch die. 1001 00:56:38.809 --> 00:56:42.369 I just, I don't understand. It's all theater at this point. 1002 00:56:42.969 --> 00:56:46.409 Look at the circus around this girl's execution to start with. 1003 00:56:47.730 --> 00:56:48.010 Yes. 1004 00:56:48.809 --> 00:56:52.539 And I don't understand the people in charge. And just 1005 00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:55.239 because you let them resign, it doesn't mean they still 1006 00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:58.300 didn't play a part in this whole shit show of 1007 00:56:58.320 --> 00:56:58.960 an execution. 1008 00:56:59.780 --> 00:57:03.010 I just don't get why they intervened. 1009 00:57:03.670 --> 00:57:06.550 Well, and I think that the prison system was trying 1010 00:57:06.630 --> 00:57:09.679 not to. And I think they were trying to you know, 1011 00:57:10.090 --> 00:57:12.610 take as much time as they needed to carry out 1012 00:57:12.670 --> 00:57:15.730 this execution. And her attorneys are like, wait a minute, 1013 00:57:16.570 --> 00:57:20.230 they're hired to protect her. So obviously they're the ones 1014 00:57:20.269 --> 00:57:23.610 that called 9-1-1. And when they see that the law 1015 00:57:23.670 --> 00:57:26.369 is being broken, that's when they stepped in and said, 1016 00:57:26.769 --> 00:57:28.969 this has got to stop. And they're the ones that 1017 00:57:29.030 --> 00:57:33.230 intervened and said, stop this execution. They ordered an immediate 1018 00:57:33.289 --> 00:57:36.829 stop to it. And then that's when I guess finally 1019 00:57:36.889 --> 00:57:39.599 they called 9-1-1 and And they came and picked her 1020 00:57:39.739 --> 00:57:42.059 up and took her to the hospital and saved her life. 1021 00:57:42.900 --> 00:57:44.940 I just don't know how you can stop the execution 1022 00:57:44.980 --> 00:57:50.639 like that. It's an execution. What did you expect? Did 1023 00:57:50.659 --> 00:57:52.719 you expect your client was going to get the fuck up? 1024 00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:57.599 She did. Ultimately, she did. And I can't believe that. 1025 00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:00.699 I'm still on retainer. This is the most famous case 1026 00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:04.849 I'll ever do. Yay me. Oh, my gosh. 1027 00:58:05.250 --> 00:58:08.090 Could you imagine, though, being Krista? 1028 00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:11.570 You know, you're ready to go. See you guys. I'd 1029 00:58:11.610 --> 00:58:13.489 love to go mad as hell. 1030 00:58:14.010 --> 00:58:14.340 No, no. 1031 00:58:16.250 --> 00:58:17.829 Let me go down to the back alley and get 1032 00:58:17.849 --> 00:58:21.929 some fentanyl, whatever. I'm done. I done made my peace. 1033 00:58:22.019 --> 00:58:25.280 I done checked out. No. I'd have been so mad. 1034 00:58:25.300 --> 00:58:26.780 So mad. And she was. 1035 00:58:26.820 --> 00:58:28.679 When she woke up, she was pissed off. 1036 00:58:28.940 --> 00:58:31.119 She was just like, where in the

hell? Am I 1037 00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:33.099 in hell? And you know, a lot of people are like, 1038 00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:34.300 God intervened. 1039 00:58:34.949 --> 00:58:38.289 Maybe God kept her alive a few months to let 1040 00:58:38.349 --> 00:58:41.949 her endure some more of what she inflicted on Colleen. 1041 00:58:42.429 --> 00:58:42.809 Right. 1042 00:58:43.030 --> 00:58:45.110 Because prison ain't no peach life. 1043 00:58:45.849 --> 00:58:48.530 No and you know she really was not in the 1044 00:58:48.590 --> 00:58:52.369 hospital that long because she went into the hospital september 10th. 1045 00:58:52.820 --> 00:58:58.000 Pike survived she's transported to the hospital for first the 1046 00:58:58.019 --> 00:59:01.820 attorneys described critical illness she was on the breathing machine 1047 00:59:02.139 --> 00:59:08.619 unconscious october 6th, Pike regained consciousness and began speaking. October 7th, 1048 00:59:09.219 --> 00:59:13.769 the attorneys described pneumonia, a blood clot, severe arm swelling, 1049 00:59:14.170 --> 00:59:19.559 swallowing difficulties, and impaired movements. Attorneys had feared brain death, 1050 00:59:19.780 --> 00:59:21.719 but no formal brain. 1051 00:59:21.500 --> 00:59:23.119 Death diagnosis was established. 1052 00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:28.949 October the 8th, she's walking with assistance, eating, regaining strength. 1053 00:59:29.070 --> 00:59:34.070 Memory concerns remain. October the 10th, she's discharged back to 1054 00:59:34.190 --> 00:59:38.840 the K Rehabilitation Center for medical care. 1055 00:59:40.949 --> 00:59:44.190 So she was basically in the hospital for 10 days. 1056 00:59:44.590 --> 00:59:47.210 She wakes up on day five and she's like, where 1057 00:59:47.250 --> 00:59:50.510 the hell am I? And then she couldn't swallow at first. 1058 00:59:50.590 --> 00:59:51.949 I was like, well, damn, they're probably going to have 1059 00:59:51.969 --> 00:59:54.320 to just give her, you know, one of those feeding tubes. 1060 00:59:54.340 --> 00:59:58.119 Feed her this way. Then she starts eating, regains pretty 1061 00:59:58.179 --> 01:00:02.820 much everything. I'm sure she's not hunky dory. She probably 1062 01:00:02.860 --> 01:00:08.230 has long-term effects from this botched execution. But I can't 1063 01:00:08.309 --> 01:00:12.449 believe that she was awake and living in what she 1064 01:00:12.510 --> 01:00:13.309 was thinking. 1065 01:00:13.449 --> 01:00:14.449 God mighty. 1066 01:00:14.989 --> 01:00:17.250 So let me just say this. It won't be long 1067 01:00:17.289 --> 01:00:19.070 term if they go ahead and execute her. 1068 01:00:20.769 --> 01:00:22.389 Yes, you won't have to feel bad long. 1069 01:00:25.530 --> 01:00:30.719 So October 20th correspondence attributed to Pikes describes pain, numbness 1070 01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:35.329 and confusion. 21st, 22nd, her attorney reports improved walk-in and 1071 01:00:35.369 --> 01:00:41.650 complete sentences. 28th, long-term neurological prognosis remains uncertain. You got 1072 01:00:41.670 --> 01:00:44.519 the Randy Spivey press conference from October 7th. 1073 01:00:44.590 --> 01:00:46.210 We'll play that now. Okay. 1074 01:00:51.389 --> 01:00:55.880 So Colleen's mom, she did attend the execution and they waited, 1075 01:00:56.119 --> 01:01:00.809 you know, 30, was it 31 years? And Martinez, she 1076 01:01:00.849 --> 01:01:05.739 expressed the anger and frustration that Krista had survived. And 1077 01:01:05.820 --> 01:01:10.820 she did discuss the emotional impact, Colleen's family. And I 1078 01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:14.239 think it's more about Colleen for us than it really 1079 01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:17.119 is about Krista because, you know, Colleen and I have 1080 01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:22.320 walked the shoes of justice needs to be front and center. 1081 01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:28.150 And that is where the Colleen part stays the main focus. 1082 01:01:28.989 --> 01:01:32.929 And I think, Sherry, we have May Martinez's interview from ABC. 1083 01:01:33.650 --> 01:01:36.469 I'm learning new information from the mother of Colleen Slimmer. 1084 01:01:36.670 --> 01:01:39.670 May Martinez called me on her way home to Florida 1085 01:01:39.710 --> 01:01:42.329 this evening. She spent hours at the prison on Wednesday 1086 01:01:42.750 --> 01:01:45.889 waiting to witness what she believed would finally be justice 1087 01:01:46.070 --> 01:01:46.690 for her daughter. 1088 01:01:47.750 --> 01:01:49.170 Why is it necessary for you. 1089 01:01:49.110 --> 01:01:49.489 To be there? 1090 01:01:49.829 --> 01:01:51.989 Because she killed my daughter and I don't want to 1091 01:01:52.050 --> 01:01:52.929 see another child. 1092 01:01:53.510 --> 01:01:55.219 Or another person hurt like she did. 1093 01:01:55.449 --> 01:01:58.340 For more than 30 years, Mae Martinez has waited for 1094 01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:00.599 this moment. That's what she told me when I went 1095 01:02:00.619 --> 01:02:03.659 to her home in September. On Monday, with financial help 1096 01:02:03.699 --> 01:02:06.360 from the community, she traveled to Tennessee with her husband, 1097 01:02:06.739 --> 01:02:10.659 expecting to witness Krista Pike's execution. Instead, she says they 1098 01:02:10.679 --> 01:02:13.449 spent hours being moved from room to room as legal 1099 01:02:13.489 --> 01:02:14.670 challenges continued. 1100 01:02:15.250 --> 01:02:19.610 It's hard. I broke down in tears. She was laying 1101 01:02:19.710 --> 01:02:23.960 on the table, talking, still laughing. Picking up her head. 1102 01:02:25.139 --> 01:02:27.360 Has anyone apologized to you for this? 1103 01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:28.400 No, sir. 1104 01:02:28.420 --> 01:02:29.760 Nobody apologized. 1105 01:02:30.260 --> 01:02:33.480 Martinez says she watched as the execution appeared to begin, 1106 01:02:33.539 --> 01:02:36.460 then stop. She says Pike was still breathing and moving 1107 01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:40.300 before another dose was

administered. Eventually, Martinez says the curtains 1108 01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:43.380 were closed and the family was removed from the execution area. 1109 01:02:43.739 --> 01:02:45.679 They will later be told Pike was being taken to 1110 01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:46.260 a hospital. 1111 01:02:46.860 --> 01:02:49.340 I said, I don't agree with what you guys are doing. 1112 01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:53.050 I said, no, I have to worry. About her being out. 1113 01:02:53.610 --> 01:02:55.530 And then I brought up, is she going to come 1114 01:02:56.190 --> 01:02:58.389 back to the prison? I don't know what we're doing 1115 01:02:58.429 --> 01:03:00.780 with her yet. That's the answers I got. 1116 01:03:01.099 --> 01:03:04.039 Martinez says she was also frustrated by how she and 1117 01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:06.519 her husband were treated during the hours-long wait. 1118 01:03:07.099 --> 01:03:09.760 I said, here we are, 31 years, and you're laughing 1119 01:03:09.820 --> 01:03:10.760 in my face again. 1120 01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:12.840 And that's what I feel like they did. 1121 01:03:13.659 --> 01:03:16.619 And after more than three decades of waiting, May Martinez 1122 01:03:16.940 --> 01:03:19.639 says the experience left her feeling like her daughter had 1123 01:03:19.659 --> 01:03:20.400 been failed again. 1124 01:03:20.989 --> 01:03:23.610 I think that the state owes me a big apology. 1125 01:03:24.469 --> 01:03:28.309 And I also think that the governor and the Supreme 1126 01:03:28.329 --> 01:03:31.800 Court should get their act together. And as a mother, 1127 01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:33.760 I failed her. 1128 01:03:34.380 --> 01:03:37.400 Martinez says she wants answers about what happened during the 1129 01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:41.139 execution attempt and what happens to Pike now. So you 1130 01:03:41.179 --> 01:03:42.860 don't know what happens next now. 1131 01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:44.280 No, I don't. 1132 01:03:44.659 --> 01:03:47.619 After more than 30 years, Martinez says this isn't about 1133 01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:51.010 money or revenge. She says for her, it has always 1134 01:03:51.070 --> 01:03:54.030 been about her daughter. You just wanted justice for Colleen. 1135 01:03:54.070 --> 01:03:54.409 That's it. 1136 01:03:54.449 --> 01:03:55.329 That's all you guys wanted. 1137 01:03:55.570 --> 01:03:57.110 Yeah, that's all I wanted was justice. 1138 01:03:59.250 --> 01:04:02.289 And Mae Martinez tells me she's now considering legal options 1139 01:04:02.650 --> 01:04:05.739 to find out exactly what happened inside that execution chamber 1140 01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:08.659 as she continues to fight for justice for her daughter. 1141 01:04:11.329 --> 01:04:14.809 What is interesting is the governor of Tennessee has called 1142 01:04:14.849 --> 01:04:19.670 off all executions until December. Do you guys feel like 1143 01:04:19.769 --> 01:04:22.929 they're going to carry out Krista's execution? 1144 01:04:24.559 --> 01:04:25.579 Before the year is

up? 1145 01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:26.639 Yeah. 1146 01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:28.119 No. 1147 01:04:29.099 --> 01:04:29.480 I don't. 1148 01:04:29.739 --> 01:04:30.119 I don't. 1149 01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:33.280 I think it's still something that's got to drag out 1150 01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:36.920 and drag out. Doesn't matter how much. And, you know, 1151 01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:42.480 for May, she's probably thinking... I've waited 31 years. What's 1152 01:04:42.519 --> 01:04:45.079 another few months? Let me tell you what another few 1153 01:04:45.099 --> 01:04:47.679 months are. They're going into another year. 1154 01:04:47.699 --> 01:04:54.059 Another year of waiting, wondering. 1155 01:04:55.139 --> 01:04:59.679 No answers, so to speak, but no finality to it. 1156 01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:04.219 It's never going to be freaking over where she can 1157 01:05:04.260 --> 01:05:08.119 just say, I did everything I could and my child 1158 01:05:08.179 --> 01:05:14.440 has justice today. That is a goalpost that continues to 1159 01:05:14.500 --> 01:05:18.840 be moved for her and that family. And for me, 1160 01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:24.139 I think we all know how it is for my 1161 01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:28.320 point of view of this. It's a long road. And 1162 01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:32.199 as I said earlier, 14 years in, I can't imagine 1163 01:05:32.199 --> 01:05:34.099 31 years. 1164 01:05:34.460 --> 01:05:35.440 I can't imagine. 1165 01:05:36.059 --> 01:05:40.090 I remember whenever I met the Superbike family. They were 1166 01:05:40.230 --> 01:05:44.030 already so many years in. And, you know, it was 1167 01:05:44.989 --> 01:05:47.940 early on for me for Crystal. And I just couldn't 1168 01:05:48.059 --> 01:05:52.059 imagine being that family. And here our family is still 1169 01:05:52.119 --> 01:05:53.239 being that family. 1170 01:05:54.659 --> 01:05:55.340 That's a lot. 1171 01:05:55.940 --> 01:06:01.300 It's a lot for May to have to continue going 1172 01:06:01.380 --> 01:06:03.019 into another year. 1173 01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:06.380 And I think I know what your answers to my 1174 01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:09.440 next question is, but do you feel like that the 1175 01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:14.599 execution should go through because they botched this one? That 1176 01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:18.300 was her sentence. It didn't work, but that's what they 1177 01:06:18.340 --> 01:06:20.150 were supposed to. Do you think that they should plan 1178 01:06:20.210 --> 01:06:22.489 another execution? And do you think they should do it 1179 01:06:22.530 --> 01:06:23.090 the same way? 1180 01:06:24.230 --> 01:06:26.550 I personally feel like they should have planned it for 1181 01:06:26.570 --> 01:06:27.670 the next freaking day. 1182 01:06:29.210 --> 01:06:33.960 And the same way. I don't give a shit what 1183 01:06:34.110 --> 01:06:35.309 method they use. 1184 01:06:36.190 --> 01:06:41.289 Well, you know, in 2027... plan on introducing a bill 1185 01:06:41.429 --> 01:06:45.650 to introduce new execution methods for Tennessee. 1186 01:06:46.030 --> 01:06:48.449 They want the firing squad and lethal gas. 1187 01:06:48.809 --> 01:06:51.670 And they're also adding to this bill that, you know, 1188 01:06:51.710 --> 01:06:55.909 the prisoner first gets to choose what way that they're executed. 1189 01:06:56.110 --> 01:06:59.360 But if it fails, then the state chooses the next 1190 01:06:59.480 --> 01:07:00.079 one for them. 1191 01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:04.300 So talk about inhumane. A gas chamber, I would think, 1192 01:07:04.340 --> 01:07:05.840 would be the most inhumane. 1193 01:07:06.539 --> 01:07:09.079 Yeah, because you couldn't breathe. Like you'd be like choking up. 1194 01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:12.380 I mean, at least by lethal injection, they knock your 1195 01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:16.920 ass out first. But then again, I'm the person over executions. 1196 01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:20.780 I'm bringing that fishbowl with these different ways you can 1197 01:07:20.820 --> 01:07:22.760 die and you're picking one. 1198 01:07:24.110 --> 01:07:26.369 Whatever you pick is how we're going. 1199 01:07:26.409 --> 01:07:29.570 And then the state's going to pick second and be like, OK, 1200 01:07:29.590 --> 01:07:30.610 here's your backup plan. 1201 01:07:32.510 --> 01:07:34.210 See, and I'm just not the same. 1202 01:07:34.269 --> 01:07:37.070 One job. I'm not the same as you guys. 1203 01:07:37.110 --> 01:07:39.070 And I try to be, and I don't know why 1204 01:07:39.090 --> 01:07:41.309 I'm like that, but I don't even know if I 1205 01:07:41.510 --> 01:07:44.639 agree with the death penalty. It is so hard for 1206 01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:49.980 me to think about, yes, this person was cruel. This 1207 01:07:50.039 --> 01:07:54.500 person murdered her in such a horrific way. But who 1208 01:07:54.539 --> 01:07:57.929 gives us the right to commit the same crime against 1209 01:07:57.989 --> 01:07:58.510 the criminal? 1210 01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:03.050 Well, you know, in Markie's case, they had the death 1211 01:08:03.090 --> 01:08:07.210 penalty on the table. I flat told them, I, as 1212 01:08:07.250 --> 01:08:10.429 the parent, cannot make that decision. That has to be 1213 01:08:10.449 --> 01:08:14.309 a decision that somebody else makes. For me to make 1214 01:08:14.349 --> 01:08:17.529 the decision to kill somebody because they killed my child 1215 01:08:18.029 --> 01:08:20.350 was not correct. But now you put it in front 1216 01:08:20.390 --> 01:08:24.369 of a jury and that jury decides, 12 people decide, hey, 1217 01:08:24.449 --> 01:08:26.909 you were bad enough. You need to die. Then I 1218 01:08:26.989 --> 01:08:28.369 think it should be carried out. 1219 01:08:30.020 --> 01:08:32.239 Yeah, I mean, it's not like just one person said, okay, 1220 01:08:32.270 --> 01:08:35.109 Krista's got to die for what she did. There was 1221 01:08:35.170 --> 01:08:39.090 a whole system that was put in place to come 1222

01:08:39.170 --> 01:08:45.949 to the conclusion that this is horrific. And I don't know, Sherry, 1223 01:08:46.390 --> 01:08:51.329 for you, it may be because I don't know if 1224 01:08:51.369 --> 01:08:53.390 you can put yourself in the shoes of. 1225 01:08:55.100 --> 01:08:56.880 They murdered my child. Right. 1226 01:08:57.539 --> 01:09:01.819 They did all these things. I did everything by the book. 1227 01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:06.699 I followed the courts. I followed the proper channels. She 1228 01:09:06.770 --> 01:09:11.350 was sentenced to die. They drugged the shit out for 1229 01:09:11.869 --> 01:09:16.729 three lifetimes for this mother and this family. I can 1230 01:09:16.770 --> 01:09:21.119 put myself in the shoes of You need this done. 1231 01:09:21.720 --> 01:09:26.899 You need one thing to be finished for you to 1232 01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:27.880 have your own life. 1233 01:09:30.579 --> 01:09:32.199 Well, you know, that's what a jury told... I don't 1234 01:09:32.239 --> 01:09:34.600 have my own life at this point kind of thing. 1235 01:09:35.300 --> 01:09:38.359 Yeah, well, that's what a jury told this mother justice 1236 01:09:38.420 --> 01:09:42.170 would be. And now that it didn't happen, this mother 1237 01:09:42.250 --> 01:09:45.470 does not have the justice that she needs to. 1238 01:09:45.170 --> 01:09:47.909 Be able to pick up and move on. It's still 1239 01:09:47.949 --> 01:09:52.789 a gaping hole of uncertainty. Still, this should have been 1240 01:09:52.829 --> 01:09:56.060 done and over with for this family. Do I feel 1241 01:09:56.069 --> 01:09:56.800 bad for Krista? 1242 01:09:57.500 --> 01:09:57.760 I do. 1243 01:09:58.100 --> 01:10:00.340 I hate that you're losing your life. Do I feel 1244 01:10:00.619 --> 01:10:02.680 like somebody should intervene? 1245 01:10:03.539 --> 01:10:03.840 I don't. 1246 01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:07.220 Nobody, you know, when someone begged for their life and 1247 01:10:07.260 --> 01:10:11.550 it's something that you brag about, you are a heartless 1248 01:10:11.600 --> 01:10:14.510 person and you were sentenced to death. 1249 01:10:15.569 --> 01:10:18.369 So I guess I'm heartless because I don't feel sorry 1250 01:10:18.430 --> 01:10:21.510 for her at all. She chose this path. She chose 1251 01:10:21.609 --> 01:10:25.000 where she's at. She made these decisions. 1252 01:10:24.899 --> 01:10:27.779 And she made peace with her spiritual advisor. They're singing 1253 01:10:28.260 --> 01:10:29.840 Kumbaya or whatever. 1254 01:10:30.899 --> 01:10:33.119 Let the girl go. Let her go. 1255 01:10:33.380 --> 01:10:35.930 But like in Pauline's case, for example, and I get 1256 01:10:36.010 --> 01:10:38.210 what you guys are saying and I get why a 1257 01:10:38.270 --> 01:10:40.890 lot of people are for the death penalty. I said 1258 01:10:41.010 --> 01:10:43.289 I'm on the fence. I don't know just because, you know, 1259 01:10:43.329 --> 01:10:46.680 I can't even kill a damn spider. I'll put it outside. 1260 01:10:46.880 --> 01:10:49.399 I'm not going to kill it. Our snake or, you know, 1261 01:10:49.420 --> 01:10:50.920 a mouse, you know, even if we had a mouse 1262 01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:53.100 in the house, I get one of those humane traps 1263 01:10:53.180 --> 01:10:55.149 and trap the mouse. And then I take it to 1264 01:10:55.189 --> 01:10:56.750 somebody else's house and release it. 1265 01:10:57.369 --> 01:11:01.109 So let me say this, Sherry, if somebody came into 1266 01:11:01.130 --> 01:11:01.529 your house. 1267 01:11:01.949 --> 01:11:02.329 I know. 1268 01:11:02.470 --> 01:11:04.850 And if it happened to my daughter, I probably would. 1269 01:11:05.010 --> 01:11:09.510 If somebody came into your house, if they brutally murdered Maverick, 1270 01:11:11.270 --> 01:11:13.409 would you want to see them pay the ultimate price 1271 01:11:13.449 --> 01:11:14.609 if that's what they were sentenced to? 1272 01:11:20.260 --> 01:11:23.460 Yeah, I'd probably have so much hatred on my heart 1273 01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:27.880 that if it happened to me personally, I probably would 1274 01:11:27.939 --> 01:11:30.060 change my mind about it. But this is the thing 1275 01:11:30.100 --> 01:11:33.300 that I keep going back to is in Pauline's case, 1276 01:11:33.340 --> 01:11:37.770 for example, when she went to court and she faced 1277 01:11:38.130 --> 01:11:41.710 justice with the people that took her son's life and 1278 01:11:41.770 --> 01:11:44.869 they were sentenced to their crimes. It wasn't death, but 1279 01:11:44.930 --> 01:11:48.630 they were sentenced to jail time. It didn't take away anything. 1280 01:11:49.140 --> 01:11:49.760 any of that. 1281 01:11:49.699 --> 01:11:51.560 Grief for Pauline. 1282 01:11:51.939 --> 01:11:55.119 So who's saying that if they were sentenced to death 1283 01:11:55.239 --> 01:11:57.800 and put to death, how is that going to give 1284 01:11:57.859 --> 01:12:01.359 her closure when even like the prison didn't give her closure? 1285 01:12:01.859 --> 01:12:04.029 So I do not going to give her closure. 1286 01:12:05.010 --> 01:12:05.229 Yeah. 1287 01:12:05.350 --> 01:12:06.949 And it's not going to give her closure. 1288 01:12:07.250 --> 01:12:10.569 It's going to give her the justice that she has 1289 01:12:10.630 --> 01:12:14.390 been seeking for her child. I got the justice for 1290 01:12:14.449 --> 01:12:17.149 my child. That does not make the hurt stop. 1291 01:12:18.270 --> 01:12:21.699 And I don't think she went into this thinking it's 1292 01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:25.340 going to make everything better. I think it's their own 1293 01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:28.779 freaking fault. They gave her the death sentence. They drug 1294 01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:32.899 it out for 31 years. They told her this is 1295 01:12:32.939 --> 01:12:35.359 what's going to make it better. This is what's going 1296 01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:39.689 to bring justice for Colleen. And so imagine that heart. 1297 01:12:39.810 -->

01:12:41.010 I don't think it's hatred. 1298 01:12:41.449 --> 01:12:43.590 I don't hate the people that took Crystal's life. 1299 01:12:44.350 --> 01:12:47.699 I just want them to faced some kind of consequences 1300 01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:49.340 for their decisions that day. 1301 01:12:50.340 --> 01:12:51.220 I don't think it's hatred. 1302 01:12:52.039 --> 01:12:56.609 They let her believe in something that was going to help, 1303 01:12:57.449 --> 01:13:00.289 something that was going to be considered justice. So just 1304 01:13:00.310 --> 01:13:04.250 because the death penalty was sentenced to Krista, for the mom, 1305 01:13:04.930 --> 01:13:07.090 I think that would have been fine for her, but 1306 01:13:07.210 --> 01:13:08.529 they kept dragging it out. 1307 01:13:09.010 --> 01:13:09.810 So what kind of. 1308 01:13:09.890 --> 01:13:14.310 Anticipation for 31 years does your heart have that's telling 1309 01:13:14.350 --> 01:13:17.720 you when this is done, it'll just be different. 1310 01:13:18.310 --> 01:13:21.619 And I think you're onto a really hot topic about 1311 01:13:21.819 --> 01:13:25.800 all these people that the criminal has been charged and 1312 01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:29.000 is on death row and they spend 20, 30 years 1313 01:13:29.140 --> 01:13:33.729 on death row. How is that bringing any kind of justice. 1314 01:13:33.729 --> 01:13:35.930 To the families? It's not. 1315 01:13:36.750 --> 01:13:39.090 I think there should be a time limit of how 1316 01:13:39.130 --> 01:13:42.649 long you're on death row before you finally are executed or, 1317 01:13:43.210 --> 01:13:43.750 You know, it's. 1318 01:13:43.810 --> 01:13:45.130 Your sentence is carried out. 1319 01:13:46.130 --> 01:13:50.109 And I also don't think that families expect just because 1320 01:13:50.149 --> 01:13:53.550 somebody's charged and sentenced for something. I don't think they 1321 01:13:53.689 --> 01:13:56.569 ever walk into a courtroom thinking, oh, this will bring 1322 01:13:56.609 --> 01:13:58.710 so-and-so back because that's. 1323 01:13:58.510 --> 01:13:59.369 Not a reality. 1324 01:13:59.390 --> 01:14:03.550 Our reality is we've already accepted the most devastating part 1325 01:14:03.569 --> 01:14:05.250 of this whole freaking scenario. 1326 01:14:06.029 --> 01:14:11.430 And we just need a smidgen of justice. Pauline. 1327 01:14:12.319 --> 01:14:16.840 My props to you for granting grace in your son's death. 1328 01:14:18.659 --> 01:14:21.420 If anybody ever came to me and said, hey. 1329 01:14:21.479 --> 01:14:23.039 We're. 1330 01:14:23.779 --> 01:14:27.840 Going for the death penalty on the situation at Hamlet Crystal, 1331 01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:32.340 I would absolutely probably find the same grace because. 1332 01:14:33.880 --> 01:14:36.880 I feel like a life in prison is a way 1333 01:14:36.939 --> 01:14:39.659 worse sentence than death in any picture. 1334 01:14:40.579 --> 01:14:42.300 Why are you for the death penalty then? 1335 01:14:42.859 --> 01:14:45.100 For the death penalty, for if 12 people find your 1336 01:14:45.140 --> 01:14:47.770 ass guilty of something so horrendous that you can't be 1337 01:14:47.810 --> 01:14:49.569 a part of society, your ass needs to be erased 1338 01:14:49.590 --> 01:14:50.289 from society. 1339 01:14:53.109 --> 01:14:55.670 But if you feel like life in prison is more 1340 01:14:55.770 --> 01:15:00.350 torture than being killed, and when you're on death row, 1341 01:15:00.850 --> 01:15:04.689 you're torturing the family by waiting 30 years, why even 1342 01:15:04.750 --> 01:15:05.109 have it? 1343 01:15:06.529 --> 01:15:08.189 I think that, first of all, you shouldn't spend 30 1344 01:15:08.189 --> 01:15:11.520 years on death row. If you get sentenced to death, hey, buddy, 1345 01:15:11.729 --> 01:15:13.380 you got two weeks to say bye to whoever the 1346 01:15:13.399 --> 01:15:14.920 hell you want to talk to because you're out of here. 1347 01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:18.460 Your ticket just got punched. You just got sentenced to death, 1348 01:15:19.300 --> 01:15:22.279 not 30 years on death row. You were not sentenced 1349 01:15:22.479 --> 01:15:24.859 to 30 years on death row. That was never in 1350 01:15:24.899 --> 01:15:28.399 the sentence. Go pull all the paperwork. Bet it doesn't say, hey, 1351 01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:31.260 you're sentenced to 30 years on death row. You're sentenced 1352 01:15:31.279 --> 01:15:34.840 to death. So if 12 people find you guilty... and 1353 01:15:34.939 --> 01:15:39.060 deemed you to death, why are we waiting at all? 1354 01:15:40.260 --> 01:15:45.079 Because the legal loopholes put it right back. 1355 01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:48.960 Oh, appeal, appeal, appeal, appeal. Yeah. 1356 01:15:49.260 --> 01:15:51.939 See, and that was the same way I was in 1357 01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:55.779 Markey's case. They had the death penalty on the table. 1358 01:15:56.260 --> 01:15:58.520 They were going to go for the death penalty. And 1359 01:15:58.539 --> 01:16:00.239 then they came to me and they're like, look, we 1360 01:16:00.260 --> 01:16:02.439 want to take the death penalty off the table. And 1361 01:16:02.460 --> 01:16:05.789 I'm like, well, that's not a decision I make. That 1362 01:16:05.850 --> 01:16:09.630 is up to the judges, the lawyers. That's up to 1363 01:16:09.750 --> 01:16:14.170 everybody else. That's not my decision. My child was murdered. 1364 01:16:15.050 --> 01:16:18.140 My thing is I want justice one way or another. 1365 01:16:19.100 --> 01:16:21.180 You know, the death penalty needs to be there. Go 1366 01:16:21.220 --> 01:16:24.479 for it. I think some cases, yes, people should be 1367 01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:28.180 put to death. But it's not for me to decide. 1368 01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:32.520 No, and I think there's laws in place that you 1369 01:16:32.539 --> 01:16:35.439 have to qualify for the death penalty. Like, you just 1370 01:16:35.479 --> 01:16:38.270 can't go, he did so and so, he's got to die. 1371

01:16:38.529 --> 01:16:40.350 There's got to be things in place. 1372 01:16:41.550 --> 01:16:43.229 Like a criteria for death. 1373 01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:47.039 If this exists and this exists and this exists, then 1374 01:16:47.060 --> 01:16:48.590 we put the death penalty on the table. 1375 01:16:48.810 --> 01:16:49.100 Right. 1376 01:16:49.119 --> 01:16:50.529 That would be like capital murder. 1377 01:16:52.670 --> 01:16:55.149 They took the death penalty off the table for Todd 1378 01:16:55.189 --> 01:16:58.949 Kohep with supposedly seven victims. So you can kill seven 1379 01:16:59.010 --> 01:17:01.590 people and spend the rest of your life living here 1380 01:17:01.649 --> 01:17:07.149 on our tax dollars. So it is a complete game 1381 01:17:07.250 --> 01:17:07.970 in the system. 1382 01:17:07.989 --> 01:17:08.789 It's a game. 1383 01:17:09.340 --> 01:17:12.260 And I wonder, too, with the death penalty, is that 1384 01:17:12.300 --> 01:17:15.220 the reason why we do put people to death is 1385 01:17:15.260 --> 01:17:18.119 because we are spending so much money keeping them alive 1386 01:17:18.140 --> 01:17:19.039 in the prison system. 1387 01:17:21.739 --> 01:17:23.149 What was the Ohio case we did? 1388 01:17:24.390 --> 01:17:26.390 They wouldn't even lock the old man up because they 1389 01:17:26.409 --> 01:17:28.350 didn't want to foot his medical bills. It didn't matter 1390 01:17:28.369 --> 01:17:32.710 what kind of crimes he had. It is a financial thing. 1391 01:17:33.289 --> 01:17:36.710 How much money have we spent putting Krista Pike up 1392 01:17:36.750 --> 01:17:39.510 for 31 years? Or how much is the state of Tennessee? 1393 01:17:39.569 --> 01:17:43.529 I can't say like us because in general, taxpayers, how 1394 01:17:43.590 --> 01:17:46.869 much money has it cost taxpayers to house and feed 1395 01:17:47.170 --> 01:17:49.170 and take care of that woman for 31 years? 1396 01:17:49.489 --> 01:17:50.520 She was sentenced to death. 1397 01:17:52.399 --> 01:17:55.039 It's a topic of debate. And, you know, I think 1398 01:17:55.119 --> 01:17:58.479 that our country is really divided on this subject. If 1399 01:17:58.539 --> 01:18:00.539 I would have to guess, I would think it'd be 50-50. 1400 01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:04.319 It's as far as for the death penalty and against 1401 01:18:04.600 --> 01:18:05.520 the death penalty. 1402 01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:10.050 Would you agree? Yeah, I think that the country is divided. 1403 01:18:11.229 --> 01:18:14.920 So many thoughts go through my brain. Why or why not? 1404 01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:17.979 And you're right. You know, I have not had somebody 1405 01:18:18.020 --> 01:18:21.180 close to me murdered. I can't put my feet in 1406 01:18:21.220 --> 01:18:24.699 those shoes. And would I feel differently if that happened 1407 01:18:24.739 --> 01:18:27.319 to me or a family member that I love very dearly, 1408 01:18:27.460 --> 01:18:30.119 even my dog? You know, would I want that person 1409 01:18:30.159 --> 01:18:32.489 to die? And I would have to probably say, yeah, 1410 01:18:32.529 --> 01:18:35.270 I'd want that. But would I want that out of 1411 01:18:35.989 --> 01:18:39.199 anger too? and hatred towards the person that did that 1412 01:18:39.819 --> 01:18:41.619 or out of justice. 1413 01:18:42.489 --> 01:18:47.529 That God grants us grace all the time. I'm pretty 1414 01:18:47.609 --> 01:18:52.060 positive he grants me grace. but I do feel like 1415 01:18:52.119 --> 01:18:55.739 Pauline did. I feel like, you know, she granted grace 1416 01:18:56.060 --> 01:19:00.039 because she probably wasn't just putting herself in Marky's shoes 1417 01:19:00.100 --> 01:19:02.810 and his life being taken. She was probably also putting 1418 01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:05.460 herself in her own damn shoes where she would be 1419 01:19:05.500 --> 01:19:09.180 taking a child from another mother. And that's a heavy 1420 01:19:09.220 --> 01:19:11.439 set of shoes to slide into as well. And I 1421 01:19:11.479 --> 01:19:15.510 think a lot of things play into granting grace. And 1422 01:19:16.369 --> 01:19:21.170 once again, props, Pauline, because some people. 1423 01:19:22.329 --> 01:19:22.409 And. 1424 01:19:23.100 --> 01:19:25.399 Surely God is going to bless you for granting that 1425 01:19:25.439 --> 01:19:26.140 grace because. 1426 01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:30.279 I'd never thought about this stuff. I was a mother 1427 01:19:30.359 --> 01:19:33.770 raising my children. I was going about my everyday life. 1428 01:19:34.270 --> 01:19:36.710 I did not think about, you know, I watched murder 1429 01:19:36.750 --> 01:19:38.090 crime shows, stuff like that. 1430 01:19:38.229 --> 01:19:41.270 I watched them all the time. Loved watching that stuff. 1431 01:19:41.430 --> 01:19:46.279 Do I watch it now? Hell no. Because I see 1432 01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:47.920 all the mistakes they're making. 1433 01:19:47.939 --> 01:19:52.859 Listen, I would literally watch crime shows like Forensic Files 1434 01:19:53.159 --> 01:19:56.569 just to see, is there something I've missed? Maybe I 1435 01:19:56.590 --> 01:19:58.750 need to watch this episode to show me something I 1436 01:19:58.750 --> 01:20:00.050 should ask. 1437 01:20:00.470 --> 01:20:03.189 Yeah, it does no good. It just drives you insane 1438 01:20:03.310 --> 01:20:06.310 doing that. So I quit watching all of that. Now 1439 01:20:06.390 --> 01:20:09.069 I just, you know, research all of it. But it's 1440 01:20:09.069 --> 01:20:11.949 10 years, November 4th, since Marky's body would be found. 1441 01:20:12.989 --> 01:20:16.210 So we're right here at the 10 year mark. And 1442 01:20:16.210 --> 01:20:20.010 10 years ago, I didn't have that situation. So I 1443 01:20:20.050 --> 01:20:22.699 didn't stop and really think about it or discuss it 1444 01:20:22.779 --> 01:20:25.260 or anything. But, you know, once I got put in 1445 01:20:25.300 --> 01:20:31.279 that position, I had to stop and really consider

everything. 1446 01:20:31.300 --> 01:20:33.920 And did you feel like your mind changed? 1447 01:20:35.399 --> 01:20:38.140 I don't know because I really didn't consider it before 1448 01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:40.920 to stop and think about the death penalty. I knew 1449 01:20:40.939 --> 01:20:43.819 it was out there. Did anybody ever ask me what 1450 01:20:43.859 --> 01:20:46.779 I thought about it? No, because, you know, I was 1451 01:20:46.819 --> 01:20:49.329 a young mother raising my kids and didn't just really 1452 01:20:49.970 --> 01:20:53.529 consider anything like that. But once it happened to me, 1453 01:20:53.550 --> 01:20:57.489 I had to really dig deep and decide what I 1454 01:20:57.529 --> 01:21:01.069 believed and what I didn't believe. Even the death penalty, 1455 01:21:01.180 --> 01:21:03.279 I believe there are certain cases people should be put 1456 01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:05.300 to death. No, they should not be on death row 1457 01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:10.390 for 30 years. But for me to make the decision 1458 01:21:10.449 --> 01:21:13.369 to put somebody to You know, where they can get 1459 01:21:13.390 --> 01:21:14.189 the death penalty. 1460 01:21:14.289 --> 01:21:16.949 That's not my choice. I'm the mother. 1461 01:21:17.329 --> 01:21:20.449 I shouldn't be making those decisions. That is up to 1462 01:21:20.489 --> 01:21:24.090 the prosecutors. That's up to attorneys. That's not up to me. 1463 01:21:24.770 --> 01:21:27.760 Prosecutors say, yes, I think death penalty needs to be 1464 01:21:27.779 --> 01:21:30.060 on the table. 12 people say, yes, you need to die. 1465 01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:33.380 Then I think you need to die. That's just how 1466 01:21:33.479 --> 01:21:35.819 I believe. That's a hell of a weight to put 1467 01:21:36.020 --> 01:21:39.010 on a grieving parent. Like you don't have enough. 1468 01:21:39.579 --> 01:21:42.239 On your heart, soul, and mind that we need you 1469 01:21:42.279 --> 01:21:46.689 to make this heavy decision whether we pursue this or not. Well, 1470 01:21:46.729 --> 01:21:49.649 you know if you have the shit for the criteria 1471 01:21:49.670 --> 01:21:52.229 to pursue this or not, you don't need my opinion. 1472 01:21:53.569 --> 01:21:55.989 You know, if they're going to confess or whatever for 1473 01:21:56.050 --> 01:21:59.310 whatever reasons just to take the death penalty off the table, 1474 01:21:59.409 --> 01:22:01.460 I do feel like it's a bargaining chip. I mean, 1475 01:22:01.500 --> 01:22:03.399 if you have enough of the death penalty, you've got 1476 01:22:03.420 --> 01:22:04.619 a lot of bargaining power. 1477 01:22:05.779 --> 01:22:06.720 It's a tough topic. 1478 01:22:07.420 --> 01:22:11.729 Getting back to Krista's execution and the way it was 1479 01:22:11.810 --> 01:22:16.039 botched in my mind, it was botched completely. Do you 1480 01:22:16.180 --> 01:22:19.300 think that they should preserve all of the evidence and 1481 01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:23.600 have a thorough investigation of what exactly happened? Or should 1482 01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:26.729 we just close a blind eye and say, we don't care. 1483 01:22:27.020 --> 01:22:29.449 She just needs to die and it needs to be. 1484 01:22:29.529 --> 01:22:33.369 No, they have to investigate. Surely all eyes are on you. 1485 01:22:33.489 --> 01:22:34.470 How do you not. 1486 01:22:34.289 --> 01:22:37.569 Investigate and come out with something that makes some kind 1487 01:22:37.609 --> 01:22:41.289 of sense? You still, just like Colleen's mom, you've still 1488 01:22:41.329 --> 01:22:42.689 got people out here in the abyss. 1489 01:22:45.470 --> 01:22:47.899 Yeah, they have to investigate and find out what happened, 1490 01:22:47.939 --> 01:22:51.699 find out why this doctor messed up at least three 1491 01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:52.500 that we know of. 1492 01:22:52.520 --> 01:22:55.300 I mean, if you don't investigate it, how do you 1493 01:22:55.340 --> 01:22:56.600 fix the failures in your system? 1494 01:22:57.380 --> 01:22:57.760 Exactly. 1495 01:22:57.779 --> 01:22:58.579 Or do you even want to? 1496 01:22:59.100 --> 01:23:02.000 And what worries me about this whole thing is it 1497 01:23:02.039 --> 01:23:05.159 was just a little sus, this whole execution, the process 1498 01:23:05.220 --> 01:23:07.939 of it, how it was on, off. I've never seen 1499 01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:11.239 an execution process go on like that. And then the 1500 01:23:11.300 --> 01:23:15.420 curtains open, close, open, close, almost like they were being suspicious, 1501 01:23:16.039 --> 01:23:19.189 hiding things that they did not want the witnesses to see. 1502 01:23:19.729 --> 01:23:25.050 And from that, I worry that they may tamper with 1503 01:23:25.210 --> 01:23:27.909 the evidence or try to secure it or get rid 1504 01:23:27.970 --> 01:23:30.430 of it where they won't have the evidence to do 1505 01:23:30.569 --> 01:23:32.310 a deep dive investigation into. 1506 01:23:32.750 --> 01:23:34.729 Because I really feel like, you know, if we are 1507 01:23:34.750 --> 01:23:35.350 going to put. 1508 01:23:35.289 --> 01:23:38.369 Out the death penalty, we've got to be successful with 1509 01:23:38.430 --> 01:23:40.569 it and follow through with it. It can't be like that. 1510 01:23:40.909 --> 01:23:44.279 And something's got to change. Do you think that they 1511 01:23:44.319 --> 01:23:46.560 will try to withhold any of the evidence? 1512 01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:47.920 Because I know. 1513 01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:52.000 For a fact that Krista's attorneys came out and said 1514 01:23:52.159 --> 01:23:55.500 right away, we need to preserve all of this evidence 1515 01:23:55.840 --> 01:23:58.939 so that we can have a thorough investigation. Do you 1516 01:23:59.060 --> 01:24:03.180 think that perhaps the jail or the people in charge, 1517 01:24:03.220 --> 01:24:06.600 the corrections facility in charge, will hide some of that 1518 01:24:06.699 --> 01:24:07.880 evidence that was botched. 1519

01:24:08.699 --> 01:24:10.079 Well, I mean, if they were going to hide it, 1520 01:24:10.100 --> 01:24:12.880 they were doing it while the ambulance was there collecting 1521 01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:16.640 whatever her and the emergency, in all the cases. 1522 01:24:17.220 --> 01:24:17.380 Yeah. 1523 01:24:18.180 --> 01:24:19.500 If they were going to get rid of something, they 1524 01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:20.449 already got rid of it. 1525 01:24:21.560 --> 01:24:24.609 Well, you know, there's a lawsuit for a bunch of 1526 01:24:24.729 --> 01:24:28.170 death row inmates have a lawsuit against Tennessee. They go 1527 01:24:28.270 --> 01:24:32.760 November the 6th. to court to see if the protocol 1528 01:24:32.810 --> 01:24:38.899 for the lethal injection is unconstitutional. So November the 6th, 1529 01:24:38.920 --> 01:24:42.060 they're going to decide if they can use Krista's botched 1530 01:24:42.220 --> 01:24:45.840 execution in their lawsuit to get the lethal injection thrown 1531 01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:47.720 completely out for the state of Tennessee. 1532 01:24:48.119 --> 01:24:48.510 Good. 1533 01:24:49.270 --> 01:24:53.529 Evidently, it don't work that damn good. Get that shit 1534 01:24:53.569 --> 01:24:56.489 off the table. Here's your fishbowl with one less choice. 1535 01:24:57.029 --> 01:24:57.270 Right. 1536 01:24:57.899 --> 01:25:01.000 Or use a different type of medicine or use the 1537 01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:04.880 PICC line. Don't use a vein. It should be automatic. 1538 01:25:04.939 --> 01:25:07.260 We're going to put a PICC line in before the 1539 01:25:07.420 --> 01:25:10.279 execution process so that we just hook up the little 1540 01:25:10.300 --> 01:25:11.340 cord and it's done. 1541 01:25:11.359 --> 01:25:11.439 Yeah. 1542 01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:16.399 Just bring an anesthesiologist in. Let him knock their ass 1543 01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:21.550 out and then do whatever you need to do. That's humane. 1544 01:25:22.069 --> 01:25:25.449 Bring in a street drug dealer from South Carolina. They 1545 01:25:25.470 --> 01:25:26.130 can handle it. 1546 01:25:27.109 --> 01:25:28.520 Damn straight they can. 1547 01:25:29.300 --> 01:25:32.560 I don't think that lethal injection is any worse than 1548 01:25:32.640 --> 01:25:33.920 the electric chair. 1549 01:25:33.939 --> 01:25:37.460 Oh, I would think the electric chair would be way worse. 1550 01:25:38.659 --> 01:25:40.390 And I think they still do that, don't they? 1551 01:25:41.189 --> 01:25:44.210 Yes, it is still on the table for them. Lethal 1552 01:25:44.229 --> 01:25:46.029 injection electric chair right now. 1553 01:25:47.409 --> 01:25:52.899 What did you say, Betta? I said old sparky. That's 1554 01:25:52.909 --> 01:25:54.699 what they call the electric chair, old sparky. 1555 01:25:55.510 --> 01:26:00.750 Because Krista was convicted in 1999, I guess laws changed 1556 01:26:00.829 --> 01:26:04.149 somewhere in that area, and she has to agree to 1557 01:26:04.229 --> 01:26:06.470 the electric chair, or they can't put her in the 1558 01:26:06.510 --> 01:26:07.310 electric chair. 1559 01:26:09.409 --> 01:26:12.350 Take it off the table, firing squad. I mean, I 1560 01:26:12.369 --> 01:26:15.329 don't know. You got two options left. This fishbowl's getting empty. 1561 01:26:15.550 --> 01:26:15.869 I know. 1562 01:26:15.930 --> 01:26:16.720 I'm telling you. 1563 01:26:17.060 --> 01:26:19.020 Well, that's why they're wanting to put a couple more 1564 01:26:19.319 --> 01:26:20.659 into that fishbowl, Benna. 1565 01:26:21.960 --> 01:26:25.630 So what are they trying to add? Firing squad and 1566 01:26:25.689 --> 01:26:31.789 lethal gas. I'd take the firing squad. 1567 01:26:32.470 --> 01:26:34.069 Yeah, I was going to ask you, if you were 1568 01:26:34.149 --> 01:26:36.260 on death row, which way would you want to go? 1569 01:26:36.279 --> 01:26:39.380 If they took the injection off the table, I would 1570 01:26:39.420 --> 01:26:42.600 definitely want to go with the firing squad. Quick, over easy, 1571 01:26:43.159 --> 01:26:43.619 done deal. 1572 01:26:44.659 --> 01:26:44.960 I mean. 1573 01:26:45.619 --> 01:26:47.430 I don't want to wake up five days later with 1574 01:26:47.470 --> 01:26:49.189 a bullet in my head and be like, what'd y'all do? 1575 01:26:49.390 --> 01:26:52.529 Y'all messed this up. How'd you mess this up? That's 1576 01:26:52.630 --> 01:26:55.250 my thoughts, too, is I don't want a firing squad. 1577 01:26:55.289 --> 01:26:58.270 What if somebody can't shoot? Well, whatever. 1578 01:26:58.310 --> 01:26:59.989 There's going to be enough people there. Somebody going to 1579 01:27:00.029 --> 01:27:02.350 get me. And thank you, because I was tired any 1580 01:27:02.390 --> 01:27:03.010 damn way. 1581 01:27:04.569 --> 01:27:07.140 My thoughts on the firing squad, though, is, you know, 1582 01:27:07.180 --> 01:27:10.659 they normally have one person that has a live round 1583 01:27:10.720 --> 01:27:12.340 and everybody else has blanks. 1584 01:27:14.109 --> 01:27:15.510 Just being a sniper. 1585 01:27:16.689 --> 01:27:18.760 My fear is if I was in front of the 1586 01:27:18.800 --> 01:27:21.180 firing squad, I would get that one person that misses 1587 01:27:21.279 --> 01:27:27.539 every time. So I would not want that. He would 1588 01:27:27.600 --> 01:27:29.380 miss and shoot me in the side of the head 1589 01:27:29.439 --> 01:27:31.840 or something, and I would be just maimed and I 1590 01:27:31.880 --> 01:27:32.380 wouldn't die. 1591 01:27:33.220 --> 01:27:37.090 I feel like firing squads are more accurate than that. 1592 01:27:37.729 --> 01:27:39.609 Surely they got to be better than the guy pushing 1593 01:27:39.630 --> 01:27:44.270 the drugs. I don't know. He had hands on and 1594 01:27:44.310 --> 01:27:48.199 he still couldn't do his job. Exactly. That's my theory. 1595 01:27:48.220 --> 01:27:51.220 You know, things are so fucked up nowadays that they 1596 01:27:51.239 --> 01:27:54.420 would

bring me a guy that couldn't shoot. He would 1597 01:27:54.539 --> 01:27:57.439 shoot my arm off or something. I think the firing 1598 01:27:57.510 --> 01:28:01.229 squads would probably have way better marksmans. What do they 1599 01:28:01.489 --> 01:28:03.109 use to put dogs to sleep? 1600 01:28:03.170 --> 01:28:05.489 Is that kind of the same thing as lethal injection? 1601 01:28:05.510 --> 01:28:08.689 I don't know. Evidently, it works really well on dogs. 1602 01:28:08.729 --> 01:28:10.989 Maybe put that on the ticket. Put that in the fishbowl. 1603 01:28:11.670 --> 01:28:15.710 They need to put fentanyl on that fishbowl. I mean, here, 1604 01:28:16.010 --> 01:28:17.930 have you a biscuit. Done. 1605 01:28:17.949 --> 01:28:21.449 I mean, because you think about when you euthanize your dog, 1606 01:28:21.520 --> 01:28:23.199 the first thing they do is they give them this 1607 01:28:23.300 --> 01:28:26.399 very heavy sedation drug where you're kind of out like 1608 01:28:26.579 --> 01:28:29.039 you would be before you have surgery. So you don't 1609 01:28:29.079 --> 01:28:32.350 know what's going on anyway. So to me, if I 1610 01:28:32.619 --> 01:28:34.489 were on death row, I'd be like, I need the 1611 01:28:34.529 --> 01:28:37.189 sedation drug. And then you can just come up to 1612 01:28:37.229 --> 01:28:39.210 my head and then, you know, pull the trigger. So 1613 01:28:39.250 --> 01:28:41.699 then I know. I'm going to be dead. I think 1614 01:28:41.739 --> 01:28:43.840 that's the way I would ask them to do it. 1615 01:28:44.159 --> 01:28:46.829 I mean, you've got all this time to prepare the 1616 01:28:46.949 --> 01:28:50.550 end of your life if you're on death row. You know, 1617 01:28:50.989 --> 01:28:55.090 my understanding with my maker, I would have already come 1618 01:28:55.130 --> 01:28:56.470 to the understanding. 1619 01:28:56.050 --> 01:28:57.229 Of this is over. 1620 01:28:58.329 --> 01:29:01.970 Surely she had to accept a lot of things before 1621 01:29:02.029 --> 01:29:05.609 she laid on that table knowing that this was the end. 1622 01:29:05.630 --> 01:29:10.060 I still can't imagine waking back up. I'd be so mad. 1623 01:29:10.529 --> 01:29:12.359 I'd be waking up throwing these hands if they won't 1624 01:29:12.380 --> 01:29:13.859 handcuff to a damn gurney. 1625 01:29:15.159 --> 01:29:18.340 I just keep imagining when she woke up, she was like, 1626 01:29:18.420 --> 01:29:19.479 what the hell? 1627 01:29:19.579 --> 01:29:24.619 I'm supposed to be dead. Who the hell are y'all? 1628 01:29:24.720 --> 01:29:26.319 So yeah, it is. 1629 01:29:26.119 --> 01:29:30.630 A controversial topic and The death sentence is a very 1630 01:29:30.689 --> 01:29:35.029 heavy-duty conversation, but at the end of the day, one 1631 01:29:35.090 --> 01:29:37.090 person doesn't decide that you have to die for the 1632 01:29:37.130 --> 01:29:40.689 horrific things you did. There's a whole group effort of 1633 01:29:41.649 --> 01:29:45.159 nobody stood up in this jury pool and said you 1634 01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:49.539 should not die. Twelve people agreed that you have done 1635 01:29:49.779 --> 01:29:52.460 the worst things to mankind, and you have to go. 1636 01:29:53.819 --> 01:29:54.859 Things in place to. 1637 01:29:56.210 --> 01:29:59.590 people from the death penalty if they don't deserve it 1638 01:30:00.710 --> 01:30:04.369 and she was found to deserve it and i think 1639 01:30:04.449 --> 01:30:06.609 she should go ahead and die they should not have 1640 01:30:06.649 --> 01:30:07.109 tried to. 1641 01:30:07.069 --> 01:30:09.729 Save her i mean the appeal only lasted a few 1642 01:30:09.770 --> 01:30:12.909 hours so obviously it wasn't enough for the governor to 1643 01:30:12.970 --> 01:30:15.130 say yeah you know we're not going to do this 1644 01:30:18.229 --> 01:30:22.310 there's the quote from jim jim ron You must take 1645 01:30:22.449 --> 01:30:27.239 personal responsibility. You cannot change the circumstances, the seasons, or 1646 01:30:27.279 --> 01:30:29.619 the wind, but you can change yourself. 1647 01:30:30.479 --> 01:30:31.220 Y'all be shining. 1648 01:30:34.319 --> 01:30:39.439 Leave no trace, bend the rules Tell my daughter, mom's 1649 01:30:39.560 --> 01:30:43.260 gone mad What is my legacy of not bad When 1650 01:30:43.760 --> 01:30:47.250 the world has gone bad. 1651 01:30:51.930 --> 01:30:52.270 Bye. 1652 01:30:52.350 --> 01:30:52.770 Bye. 1653 01:30:52.890 --> 01:30:53.010 Bye. 1654 01:31:18.859 --> 01:31:24.340 Leave no trace, bend the rules, tell your daughter mom's 1655 01:31:24.460 --> 01:31:29.380 gone there. What is our legacy if not that? In 1656 01:31:29.600 --> 01:31:36.399 a world that's gone bad. Oh, leave no trace, bend 1657 01:31:36.430 --> 01:31:41.689 the rules, tell your daughter mom's gone there. What is 1658 01:31:41.829 --> 01:31:44.970 our legacy if not that? 1659 01:32:21.430 --> 01:32:22.699 Thank you.