Full Transcript for Terrence Ruffin & Dan Newman: The Olympia Prep That Got Derailed & Failures Of The Top 0.01%

Like, I'm like, I didn't tell you to buy it. 00:03:55.439 --> 00:03:58.240 I didn't, I didn't, I wouldn't, I'm not your financial advisor. 00:03:58.319 --> 00:03:59.120 I have an opinion. 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:00.560 You made a decision on your own. 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:01.680 Be a grown-up about it. 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:02.400 Like 100%. 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:06.319 Yeah, and you know, but they'll like they get personal, they'll like attack you, they attack your family. 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:08.879 They by the way, I get a lot of people tell me I'm bald online. 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:12.240 Okay, they're like, You bald idiot. 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:14.000 I'm like, Yeah, I know I'm bald, guys. 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:17.040 Like, I've been bald for 20 years, like I haven't had hair a long time. 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:22.800 So I mean, some of it you laugh about, but I mean, some of it, like, you know, it's it's it's just hard. 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:24.160 And like you said, because you're out there. 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:34.000 I mean, you've built millions of followers, you got a huge following, like it's just hard to swallow sometimes, and but you got to, you got to, like I said, the comments, man. 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:36.240 Just don't read them sometimes. 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:37.279 I know you do. 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:38.560 I know you don't. 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:40.000 No, yeah, I'm good. 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:40.560 I'm good. 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:49.279 Hey, um uh Vigor Steve told me that uh BDNF increases causes an increase in hair loss. 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:50.800 BDNF. 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:52.720 So maybe the smartest people are bold. 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:53.920 What is BDNF? 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:56.000 Maybe that just maybe that's why you guys are balding. 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:56.399 What is it? 00:04:56.560 --> 00:04:57.920 Maybe that's why all three of us are bowling. 00:04:58.160 --> 00:04:59.199 Are you balding? 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:00.160 Yeah, yeah. 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:01.279 Right on, my man. 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:02.800 You got his transplant before I did. 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:03.839 I did, yeah, yeah. 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:06.879 I just shaved it all off like a couple weeks ago and restarted. 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:07.439 Hell yeah. 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:11.759 Yeah, it's gonna be the transparent podcast, but it could be the transplant podcast. 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:18.240 If I get in on that next year, because a good idea, yeah. 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:22.879 Honestly, though, that that that brings me to uh you're open about it though, because I would never have guessed with you. 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:24.160 Oh, you can't tell it. 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:24.720 Yeah, definitely. 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:26.399 It's come a long way, man. 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:31.920 I remember when it used to look like a yeah, like a doll, like with the holes like punched in your head. 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:33.279 Like, you look good, man. 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:33.920 Thank you, bro. 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:34.480 I appreciate it. 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:35.199 I appreciate it, man. 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:36.480 Oh yeah, it's your birthday. 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:38.480 Yeah, everybody gotta wish this guy a happy birthday. 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:39.519 Thank you, bro. 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:40.639 Yeah, call that out. 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:42.319 Guys living a good life. 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:44.639 Um social media. 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:45.680 What was I saying though? 00:05:46.000 --> 00:06:06.560 Yeah, as of uh for for social media back in the day, I think most people are kind of aware of this, but uh the idea is like um if anyone like most people here are probably familiar with psychology, but like uh being mysterious is something that helps you excel in people's in attracting attention, right? 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:16.959 So when it comes to something like the social media space, the more that you really hide who you are, the more that things are sort of mysterious and stuff, such as like how you grew this physique, um, what is his secret? 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:31.680 This is things that like people will kind of latch on to as like, okay, well, I want to follow this guy, I want to find that out, or like there's just this curiosity that is hard for you to kind of like control, I guess, maybe in a way or something. 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:32.079 I don't know. 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:33.759 It depends, it depends on what your values are. 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:37.439 But anyways, um How can you be mysterious and transparent at the same time? 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:40.319 No, it's well it's transparent pop. 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:53.120 Well, the way that I blew up on social media was before people ever really talked that openly about PDs, unless yeah, unless you can think of like the obvious way back when people would just like make general generalizations, right? 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:59.120 Um, and even though I was an IFP pro and there was most people that are aware of bodybuilding just knew already that I was on PDs. 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:01.199 I just didn't I just didn't talk about it whatsoever. 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:07.600 I didn't say I was an addie, I didn't deny anything, I didn't make any false claims or claims whatsoever. 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:10.079 But uh people that knew about it were just aware. 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:16.879 But by not saying anything, the people that weren't aware, obviously they're like, oh my god, dude, like let's follow this guy. 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:19.040 Like, can you give me our secret and shit? 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:25.680 Um, that's how a lot of creators kind of started off, to be honest. 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:28.959 But in my opinion, like there's nothing very fulfilling about that. 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:36.160 Plus, I mean, what's what what what what was I really doing for people,

really, aside from like a little bit of motivation? 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:38.560 I don't feel like I was really offering much to the world. 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:42.480 And what the fuck is the point of me just like not talking about the stuff that I feel like is worth talking about? 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:44.079 And so I just started talking about it. 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:45.839 I think it's more valuable. 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:47.199 No, I think it's cool, man. 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:47.920 You know, it's funny. 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:53.680 I I made a I uh thought about this the other day about kind of the current state of the fitness world. 00:07:53.839 --> 00:08:09.360 I know a lot of people online have been talking about it's gotten worse since they've come on board, where there's a bunch of kids taking things that they probably shouldn't be, um, like gambling apps being promoted through fitness and all things like that. 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:23.120 But I really think that you and your podcast um puts things in a very positive light, as where like I've seen some people promote things in just the worst ways possible, and then they don't educate. 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:40.320 And I think that's the biggest thing about your podcast is you bring people on who are transparent but also are educated in the field to the point where like a younger person, which probably still shouldn't be on the Transparency podcast, someone like 18, 17, 16. 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:50.000 But uh even if they do listen in, they're able to take something positive away from it and make a good decision based on the information provided, you know? 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:58.879 Because there's a I've seen, bro, there's been a lot of kids and teenagers just hopping on stuff with no regards to like obviously you're you're a teenager, you don't know better, right? 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:00.720 You just do whatever, you know? 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:14.639 And this um I was struggling with like how open to be online, whether you like, because when you do share all that stuff, you're not just in a room with like adults, right? 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:26.320 Social media is your adult friends, and then there's this 16-year-old also following you, there's this 15-year-old following you, this 13-year-old following you, and it's just like is that my responsibility to like shelter them? 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:37.279 And like my final conclusion was like, I should do my best to be responsible, but at the end of the day, their parents should be monitoring what they're on and monitoring what they're doing, you know. 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:38.399 Yeah, yeah. 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:42.639 Well, it's you know, I think the word you're looking for is like authenticity, right? 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:59.840 Like the authentic version of you and how that can drive your community and how you can add value, how you can educate and inspire, but how at the same time you build the community around you by you know showing the world kind of who you are. 00:09:59.919 --> 00:10:04.399 And that goes back to your kind of whole point about like why not talk about the stuff that matters. 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:07.279 I mean, there's various versions of this across the web. 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:15.279 It could be in fitness and talking about PEDs or talking about, you know, your anxiety and depression that comes with use and um that could come from that. 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:22.320 I mean, I'm not suggesting it does, but I'm saying like a lot of anytime you're screwing with your hormones, you end up potentially creating risk there. 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:24.000 But I mean, that's kind of like the whole web. 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:25.440 It's it's a weird phenomenon. 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:29.919 Like people feel kind of like this entitlement to be in your life. 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:33.919 It's like open the door, like you know, you put it out there and now you get to be. 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:41.120 So there's you build a community around your authenticity, but at the same time, like you invite in, like you said, you invite in a lot of people you don't necessarily want there. 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:58.639 It's yeah, you know, I I wrestled for a long time because like I have a lot of views about politics, I have a lot of views about you know, like, you know uh values, you know, and for the longest time, I'm just like, I'm I'm Switzerland, I don't share my opinion. 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:01.679 When people, you know, are lecturing, and you can pick any side. 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:05.600 I'm not gonna like necessarily go down a row, but you pick a side of, you know, like remember COVID. 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:07.039 I mean, it just brought the worst in people. 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:19.759 Like some people like thought the, you know, like you didn't get a vaccine, you should you're a murderer and you should go kill people, and then and what I'm it's like it became a left and right thing and became a political thing. 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:29.200 And my point is like, you know, you open up to the world, kind of who you are, you're gonna invite in, you know, and anything controversial, half the world's gonna hate you. 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:30.080 Yeah, yeah. 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:36.639 You know, if you say, you know, hey, I like President Trump, like at least 60% of the world's gonna hate you immediately. 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:40.080 Um, most of them won't be able to tell you why they don't like him. 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:44.399 They'll they'll use a sound bite, but they don't actually understand policy, ask people to talk about issues. 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:46.559 That's a macrocosm of what you're talking about. 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:57.600 All in the fitness world is just a microcosm within a smaller community of people that are hyper focused on building their best, you know, or in many cases getting the most immediate results.

00:11:57.840 --> 00:11:58.159 For sure. 00:11:58.399 --> 00:11:59.360 Which is what they're chasing, right? 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:02.639 They're chasing the pump, they're chasing the game, they're chasing the look, the aesthetic. 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:06.720 Um, and they look at people like you who put it, and by the way, most of them don't understand the work. 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:11.519 You know, just another side note is like they don't understand the work because they see the pictures. 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:12.080 Yeah. 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:14.320 My feed is full of the pictures of you guys, by the way. 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:17.679 My wife walks up behind me on the couch, she's like, Why do you have naked dudes all over your phone? 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:22.240 It's like, well, it's because like I'm super interested in bodybuilding, fitness, wellness. 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:25.759 But uh, you know, we see the outcome, we see the end result. 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.399 That's what the that's what you open up the community to see. 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:43.279 But to your point about opening up a little more of you, which I haven't looked closely at your sites, but when you share your stories, you share your ups, you share your downs, you can help those younger people see that hey, it's not a linear journey, it's not always up and to the right, it's not it's not always perfect. 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:50.960 But if you only show because social media a lot of times, last thought here, but like social media a lot of times is just the highlight reel. 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:54.559 Like I never show the day I wake up looking fluffy. 00:12:54.720 --> 00:13:00.399 I wake up, I'm like when I'm all feeling shredded and my abs are showing, I'm like, let's show that picture off, right? 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:06.960 When you're at 15% and you're like building and you're bulking and you're wearing the biggest t-shirts and you're not feeling like your best self. 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:08.159 That's not when you post. 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:14.879 But sometimes by posting in those moments, it's when you can help the world realize like, hey, I'm just another, I'm normal. 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:18.000 Like I sometimes carry fluff too. 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:20.879 Yeah, had to bring it back to bodybuilding. 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:22.240 I appreciate it. 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.080 Went big, got into you know, I could have gotten into God next, but we'll we'll stick with that. 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:28.799 Yeah. 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:33.039 Um, last eight weeks on the off cycle, it was fucking tough to post for sure, bro. 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:34.639 But definitely did. 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:38.320 It's not just the worst when you just look so soft and so small at the same time. 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:38.799 Yeah, yeah. 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:40.960 But isn't that isn't that just part of this? 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:42.320 Like part of it part of it. 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:46.399 But I'm not even saying the cycles, I'm just saying like the dysmorphia is real. 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:47.120 Oh, for sure. 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:55.679 I'm just telling you, like, I I mean there'll be moments where I'm like, I look good, but like a lot of times I'm like, I look like shit. 00:13:55.840 --> 00:13:57.039 I'm like, what the hell? 00:13:57.200 --> 00:14:04.559 Like, you know, and people around you be like, you look great, you look huge, you look jacked, you look awesome, and it you know, it gives you the confidence, but you look in the mirror and you're just like, I'm small. 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:06.159 I feel small right now. 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:08.080 Yeah, man, it's super part of the process. 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:22.879 Honestly, too, something that you were mentioning kind of reminded me that um, even though authenticity has been growing as uh something that people are looking for and something people appreciate it nowadays, especially on social media, um, there's still a lot of people that take advantage of uh and this is just transparency. 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:25.679 Like you mentioned this book, and then people are already like on their guard about you. 00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:29.360 But my friend got me to start reading this book a few months ago, 48 Laws of Power. 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:30.000 You know this, right? 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:30.720 Yeah. 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:41.679 Um, because uh I'm not gonna get too deep into it uh because it's a tangent, but basically just like from us being manipulated ourselves from other shows. 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:44.240 He's like, dude, check out these books by Robert Green. 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:46.399 I know you've heard of them, but like actually read them. 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:50.240 Um, you know, I don't know, 48 Laws of 82, 48 Laws of Power. 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:51.919 Um, there's another one. 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:54.639 There's like two more that that he was trying to give me to read. 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:57.840 There's a bunch, but there's two more, particularly I'm trying to remember. 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:14.240 Um, and uh you'll know that there's still people that even with being authentic, they still they will still manipulate certain facets to make sure that they have a higher level of engagement, they get all the views, they make money, all these things. 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:25.919 One of these examples is I know someone that um she has a very open podcast space as well, but I think it's primarily because she talks about certain issues that uh resonate really strongly with women. 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:31.120 However, she blew up initially because of her insane fat loss transformation. 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:38.799 However, uh her personal friends that I know also are aware that she doesn't admit to this, but she used Redda. 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:42.720 She used GLPs to lose her fat, but she claimed she didn't.

00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:45.600 Which is I don't think so. 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:46.960 No, I don't think so, no. 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:51.279 But but it's like Yeah, why it's a weird thing not to Right. 00:15:51.360 --> 00:16:06.799 And maybe it was a little bit like maybe I was like more like a little bit further back in time, back before GLPs started getting as popular as they are now, but still like it's like it's hard for you to never really know, I think, how real somebody is. 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:17.039 So I think I think what's important really is just instead having the if you have the intent of helping people, then that's gonna be translated and people are gonna people are gonna be able to sense that that you're gonna be able to do that. 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:29.120 Does the whole world deserve and I mean when you're opening up to the world, I understand your own desire to make money, build a build a brand and everything, but like does the world deserve complete transparency and openness? 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:33.840 Like are there things that people shouldn't are you know entitled to keep to themselves? 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:47.039 Like I get the point if you're like basically posting like I'm a natty bodybuilder, and you're like, you know, running like six foot 260 with like 3%, people are gonna be like, You're probably not natty, like it's just not very common. 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:53.919 But like point is is like, did she sell her brand as not using any drug to support herself? 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:54.559 Like, you know what I mean? 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:59.039 Like if she came out in the whole process and was like, I did this all through diet and exercise, right? 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:05.519 No supplementation, no, and then built a brand on it, then you found out she was on Reddit or whatever GLP. 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:09.519 But if she never claimed it, she was just sharing her journey kind of more broadly. 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:10.799 Is she breaking the rule? 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:11.599 Is that a rule? 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:14.960 Like, or is it okay to keep some things to yourself? 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:16.160 Yeah, right, right. 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:19.680 Well, I think I've I think the reason it was a conversation is because it was claimed. 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:23.680 Okay, because she was saying, like, I did this all with diet and exercise. 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:30.960 And then obviously, as time passed, people in the comments are accusing her of like, do she probably use a GLP or something like that? 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:32.640 Peptides are the ultimate unlock. 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:35.359 You know, I'm gonna talk my book here for a minute, but what an unlock. 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:36.880 Like, it's like, why? 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:39.200 You know, it's like I don't want to use GPS. 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:42.240 I insist I'm gonna use a map by hand. 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:43.839 I'm gonna draw my

route today. 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:46.799 I don't want to, I don't want to know for traffic, I'm gonna take my chances. 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:48.960 Like, like peptides are the unlock. 00:17:49.039 --> 00:18:05.519 Like, I get the point about what you're saying, because like if she misled people and then they followed her thinking the advice she was giving and the food recommendation she was making and the workouts she was suggesting, yeah, actually could get them to her success, you know, the same way as a guy running tests or running uh steroids, right? 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:06.400 Could get you a result. 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:08.559 And you're like, no, you could do this just by lifting heavy weights. 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:28.160 It's like I get that there's a difference there, but at the same time, like I don't understand the stigma on peptides, short chain amino acids, largely, you know, um, you know, built naturally in your own body and just being able to return your body to a to a state of higher performance. 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:34.720 And so I I you know obviously built the business around peptides and HRT. 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:42.319 So when people criticize that, I just think you know, I don't understand that the benefit of being natty and and not getting the results you want. 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:44.880 And I don't know, here's a great question for the code. 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:45.680 Okay, okay. 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:49.440 Is is is is peptides natty or not using peptides? 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:51.119 Dude, I had the I had the funniest thing. 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:55.920 I was like that at this event with a friend, and someone like turns around and he goes to me and he's just like, yo, bro, peptides are natty. 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:57.440 And I was like, wait, what, dude? 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:00.240 I'm like, dog, I'm on test, brother. 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:01.519 Like a big amount of tests. 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:03.200 Yeah, but are peptides natty? 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:04.400 Um, I think they are. 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:07.599 I think it depends on which which peptide you're using, though. 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:10.880 Um like I don't know, growth hormone and insulin. 00:19:10.960 --> 00:19:12.160 I don't know if I'd consider that natural. 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:14.960 I think for the realms of body rule and I work on it. 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:22.400 But if you're using it, okay, so let's use those two off the table BPC, test and moral and it also depends on where you're competing as well and and what's tested. 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:25.039 Just in life, I don't think it really matters, to be honest with you. 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:27.119 No, I it doesn't, but this the stigma. 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:28.720 The stigma matters, like you know. 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:50.319 Well, here's my opinion on it is um, especially with most people that are listening to this podcast, and most people also understand that a

lot of these things are utilized in sports and in in um strategic places, is um I hate to say I hate to say this, but it's it's becoming a field where like it's no longer about like it's starting to become no longer about who's taking it and not talking about it. 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:56.559 It's instead just talking about like like, for example, if you're in the space of bodybuilding and you're competing, it's now just like who is using it the smartest. 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:03.599 Obviously, not you who's using it the most, because then you have drawbacks, it's about who's using it and utilizing it the smartest. 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:11.759 And then also attacking all the uh the foundations which are most important, the best in conjunction with that, right? 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:28.480 So like your nutrition, your training, your diet, uh, your lifestyle, your allostatic load, your stress load over the day, psychological stress going into it like a show or anything like that, or even just in the building phase, like all of these things that work in conjunction with each other, and then the peptides help you manage those in an even easier way. 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:38.160 Then it's like okay, all of life isn't quite as stressful because maybe you have a little bit more of a higher capacity physiologically for your body to take that on, right? 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:38.880 Yeah, yeah. 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:41.759 Well, like so no, I think it's great. 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:48.720 Like I'd say, like, I do like from a bodybuilder's perspective, I do think people should go through their first prep just like without it. 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:57.920 But I think if you if you're if you're working a full-time job, especially like anything requires you to have energy or to use your brain, I think it's crazy not to. 00:20:58.079 --> 00:21:07.200 Like um, I remember my last couple years in the Air Force trying to prep for shows and like my productivity was in the dirt, you know? 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:25.119 Um, and then I think back to like last year, my first time taking any peptides, and then um doing like research, research and development on like 20 different machines, like gym equipment machines for bold, and then also prepping, and then also um getting ready and planning for the gym. 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:32.400 I was able to do all that in like no problem, like leading up until like two weeks out from the Olympic, where I just they wouldn't let me do anymore. 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:35.200 It's like, no, bro, you need to, you need to chill, you know? 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:48.400 So I definitely think it's a it's a great thing for for anyone that's actually like not making money from bodybuilder, you know, who wants to enjoy the process, go through it, but also not have their work, like the stuff that pays their bills to suffer. 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:49.599 Yeah, yeah. 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:50.799 What's up, y'all? 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:53.279 So it's been a while since I checked the YouTube analytics. 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:57.200 So it's looking like 55% of y'all are not subscribed. 00:21:57.359 --> 00:22:10.079 And if you guys have found value from this podcast, During your one-hour cardio session, then if you'd like to help support the pod, if you could just click the subscribe and the bell button if you haven't already, it'll help us immensely. 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:19.119 And I'm sure you guys have noticed as the podcast has grown, it's been easier and easier for me to reach out and get guests on that used to never give me an ounce of their time. 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:26.880 So it's all thanks to you guys that we can have these conversations that five years ago I couldn't really even have in person, nor was I comfortable to. 00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:29.440 And uh the world is changing year by year. 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:34.480 And it's all thanks to you guys supporting content like this and making this a very open space. 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:40.000 So if you guys would also like to support the podcast, Code Nile for Young LA and Huge Supplements. 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:42.640 Young LA is the clothing brand I've worn in a bunch of my podcasts. 00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:50.400 You guys may have seen probably about 90% of what I've worn is like Young LA, whereas the other 10%, probably like thrift stores, maybe Amazon. 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:56.079 And uh Huge Supplements is the company that I have that whey protein and whey isolate that's like really, really sweet. 00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:09.839 I like to mix to ninja creamies and then um the Magnify and the pre-workout products that give me a good pump, but also makes it look juicy whenever you're trying to take those uh after picks to show people that you I do sometimes. 00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:13.599 So I appreciate you guys, and we'll get back to the episode. 00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:25.599 Before we dive into that, though, actually, um, because of what you were talking about, kind of remind me of the fact that like one of the reasons why I was excited to jump on this podcast in the first place is you two are two extremely high achieving individuals, right? 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:35.200 And we're talking about transparency on like how do we help our brother achieve the same similar things, but in his own goals and in his own story. 00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:42.559 And you guys have achieved some crazy shit in two different areas that I aspire for, like crazy. 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:46.400 And obviously, one bodybuilding, I've always wanted to be an Olympian. 00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:48.319 That's still one of my biggest dreams to this day. 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:55.200 And then two, I don't know shit about business, but I've been trying to, and you're extremely, extremely financially successful. 00:23:55.440 --> 00:24:01.920 And dude, I I wish I I literally don't know anything about it. 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:05.759 That's

that's that's kind of why I have to learn more about that. 00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:14.000 Yeah, so I would just love to know I would love to dive a little bit more into your stories, like what exactly what initiated both of your passions for what you do. 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:26.480 And then I think that's gonna like give a little bit of like a like a little bit of like flourishing to understand like what did your path look like to get to this like level of performance. 00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:28.160 Who wants to go first? 00:24:28.319 --> 00:24:28.880 You wanna go? 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:30.319 Or go? 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:30.880 Okay. 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:35.119 I'll keep mine um focused on bodybuilding, yeah. 00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:44.079 Um so it all started back in 2011. 00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:50.240 I had just graduated high school and I was um trying to figure out what I wanted to do in the world. 00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:55.119 So I decided to join the Air Force because I thought it'd be cool, I could be like the dudes in Call of Duty. 00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:00.960 But uh I was 17, so yeah, that was what I literally thought back then as a 17-year-old. 00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:01.759 That's awesome. 00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:05.680 Um get to the Air Force. 00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:09.119 Uh I tried out for special forces. 00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:13.200 I made about two, three months in and ended up failing out. 00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:16.880 One of my big thoughts was I just wasn't big enough. 00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:18.880 You know, I was 120 pounds, right? 00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:22.799 And uh the rucksack we would wear was like half my weight. 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:30.559 So like a lot of it was just like a size thing that really, really stopped me from like I think finishing out that uh pipeline. 00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:36.240 So my goal after that was to gain some weight and come back and do it again. 00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:39.119 I started hitting the gym. 00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:44.400 There was this like little abandoned dorm room that had a bunch of weights in it. 00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:46.000 So I started training there. 00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:49.359 And then somehow, like very quickly, I gained a bunch of weight. 00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:55.680 I gained like 30 pounds in six months, naturally, which was like pretty, pretty wild. 00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:00.000 And then once I got to my new duty station, I found this couple. 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:01.519 I said, Hey, I want to bodybuild. 00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:06.799 You know, I saw this guy on this magazine named Dexter Jackson, and I want to do what he's doing. 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:09.359 And I didn't have much money at the time. 00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:18.079 So they coached me, and in exchange, I just helped them around the gym, like sweeping, you know, whatever, whatever they needed help with. 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:22.640 And my first show, I got dead last. 00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:27.039 Uh it's funny too, because that was my cockiest I had ever been in my life. 00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:32.720 Like, I went into that show, I saw the the guy who won last year, and I was like, I'm gonna beat that guy. 00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:37.039 And then you know, the show day comes and I wasn't even close. 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:42.000 But they gave me a lot of motivation, you know, the whole the whole next year. 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:44.240 Like I did nothing but bodybuild. 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:48.720 I all my money went toward it, all my time went toward it. 00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:53.519 I didn't have a smartphone, I didn't have the cool shoes, I didn't even have internet. 00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:59.440 So like if I needed to use my laptop for anything, I would have to go to Starbucks to set it up. 00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:06.319 So I came back the next year, won my class, won the overall in the novice division. 00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:15.440 I was 20 at that point, and then about six months after that, I got my pro card at 21 in nationals. 00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:16.160 Yeah. 00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:24.160 Long story short, since then I have been this will be my 10th Olympia this year. 00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:27.839 Well no, the 10 years since my first one, because I skipped too. 00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:31.519 So technically my eighth Olympia, but 10 years of being there. 00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:37.599 I'm one of the last, like technically, I will be the only person who was at the first Mr. 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:39.599 Olympia at this Olympia. 00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:45.359 Brion's gone, and I thought Robert Times might get it, but he played end of place in third, surprisingly. 00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:54.799 Most pro show wins, most Arnold Classic wins, and you know, currently I'm at in third place in the world. 00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:57.119 So it's it's been a cool journey, man. 00:27:57.200 --> 00:28:02.880 You know, yeah, like literally starting the sport at like 19 to being 32 now. 00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:03.680 It's wild. 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:04.880 That's wild, bro. 00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:06.720 I'm sick as fuck, man. 00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:11.680 Yeah, I um I I think about it, man, because like sometimes I'm like, man, I've been doing this a while. 00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:20.160 Because even some of the dudes, I I would I I used to be a posing coach, and like I always helped these these young guys with their posing, and now a lot of those dudes are pros. 00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:24.319 And it's it's it's yeah, it's been really cool. 00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:25.359 Dude, I don't know about you. 00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:30.960 I don't know about everyone else in the audience, but what I always wanted to hear was like you got last place at your first show. 00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:34.400 It's just like yeah, I mean there's 120 pounds. 00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:38.559 I mean the show day for that show, I was 144. 00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:40.400 Um what do you

weigh now? 00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:44.160 Hopefully I'll be like 180, 182 this year at the Olympia. 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:45.599 Yeah, yeah. 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:47.359 Damn, bro, that's wild. 00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:48.960 Yeah, because um I don't know. 00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:50.799 I have a rucksack on you. 00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:59.759 Uh I had a long, like I had a pretty long journey to get my pro card in the first place. 00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:01.440 And there's a lot of shows that I didn't do well. 00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:22.720 And sometimes I just want people to like sometimes I want to share that with people, but also like help my fellow homies that have competed and you know have felt very like unfairly subjected to the opinions of the judges, understand that hey man, like this isn't something that actually Derek Lunsford told me is like, hey, this isn't remember the show doesn't define you. 00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:25.039 Not in any any way. 00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:25.839 You know? 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:29.039 Um we've all had terrible showings. 00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:31.519 He himself has had a terrible showing. 00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:40.079 Um and even if it's not in bodybuilding or competing, but just like we all started somewhere and sometimes that somewhere was so fucking bad. 00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:41.759 Yeah. 00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:45.519 Well in individual failures should never define you. 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:47.839 I think that's like a good moral, you know. 00:29:48.000 --> 00:30:07.519 I think in my world, right, on the business side, and like you know, I've got a lot of to talk about on the fitness side, because now fitness is my business, and then you know, longevity, health, wellness through optimize, but like you know, uh failure was kind of the precipice of I guess what you could call success now. 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:10.720 And you know, the success I I you ever heard of the four burner theory? 00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:19.839 Like basically in life you have four burners, um friends, family, health, and business or wealth. 00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:23.759 Okay, and that basically most people can only manage three. 00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:25.200 I can see that, yeah. 00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:36.559 You know, so you have to kind of choose between, you know, and I'm I I'm definitely uh a health family wealth, and I have very few friends. 00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:41.920 And the friends I have, I'm find a way to be in business with all of them because that's how I find the commonality. 00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:44.160 You know, I find something to do, you know. 00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:51.359 It's funny, I I was actually the other day, uh former NFL player, Sean Phillips, he plays for the San Diego Chargers and comes here and he like we hit it off. 00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:53.359 Our sons are playing football to get reveren breakfast together. 00:30:53.440 --> 00:31:03.440 And I'm like, Yeah, I'm like, unless we find a way to work together, we're not probably gonna be friends for a long time because it's just like he's busy empire building and I'm busy empire building. 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:05.680 Um how do you how do you deal with that? 00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:09.359 Because obviously, you know there's the saying like don't do biz with family and friends. 00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:11.279 Yeah, like how do you get to that? 00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:11.920 Yeah, it's good. 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:12.480 No, it's great. 00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:13.200 That's a great point. 00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:25.599 So let me go back because you know, you the fail thing got me thinking like my biggest success in life was seen as a failure because when I was 20 years old, I got my current my my wife Lisa pregnant. 00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:27.200 So I'm 45 now. 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:31.519 I have a 24-year-old daughter, 20-year-old daughter, and a 10-year-old son. 00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:34.400 Um, my 24-year-old daughter, Haley, like obviously unexpected. 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:35.759 My wife was a senior in college. 00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:41.359 I was a sophomore, I was playing soccer, Division II, university, uh, scholarship athlete. 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:47.759 Um, had to call my parents at home some point during the school year and tell them that I had gotten my girlfriend pregnant. 00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:50.559 Uh, left school, didn't leave school school. 00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:53.920 I left that school, moved back home, was working full-time. 00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:55.519 My dad was in trucking. 00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:56.720 He he owned a trucking company. 00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:00.079 So I wasn't, he wasn't a he was a trucker, but he actually was a trucker that built a company. 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:08.799 Blue collar, didn't go to college, but like um I worked for him and then I got another job in uh music, you know, fun stories. 00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:10.400 I know you like raves, right? 00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:12.880 Uh like dan party, you like electronic music and stuff. 00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:15.839 No, like like I'm I'm an old guy now. 00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:17.759 I'm talking like an old man, I'm 45 years old. 00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:19.680 But you like because I know you like music, man. 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:23.359 I learned to be a musician when I was younger. 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:26.720 So I was classically trained in the piano, classically trained in the piano. 00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:34.000 And I actually um I I actually uh learned to DJ like electronic vinyl. 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:34.640 I was spinning. 00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:43.680 So I was doing that a little bit before I got her pregnant, but I actually brought my my stuff home and I ended up going to Chicago, learning to promote myself. 00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:51.519 I lived in Chicago at the time, got a bunch of residencies, spinning records, and sorry, getting myself paid, building a personal brand, getting promoted.

00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:58.000 I produced a bunch of records, I had residencies, I played at big parties and traveled all over the world like for a few years. 00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:05.759 And then in my spare time, I was also selling um electronic music and pro tools and design equipment. 00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:08.720 I got like hired by a small retail company that I was doing that. 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:15.200 So I learned technology for music production while I was a DJ and I was learning to self-promote. 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:16.880 And this is like back in 2001, too. 00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:22.240 There was internet was around, but there was no social media like anything like today. 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:29.519 So I was literally like printing DVDs off my burner and putting my logo on them, taking them to club promoters, uh, getting them to like hire me. 00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:32.720 But you know, I was grinding in my dad's dock, loading dock. 00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:36.079 I was actually going to school part-time because I want to finish my degree. 00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:41.119 I was working, selling elect uh electronic uh, you know, music software and equipment. 00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:47.119 And then I was also DJing residencies at night while I was raising an infant with my wife. 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:48.799 And I was doing all this at the same time. 00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:54.079 But the one thing, like I said, like everybody in my life, because I was kind of left college, I slowed my college role. 00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:59.119 Um, I was working multiple jobs, we're all, you know, grind at the time. 00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:03.519 And to all my friends that were still in college, university, and like I looked like a massive failure. 00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:05.359 Like, you knocked your girlfriend up, you moved home. 00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:09.280 I'm living in like an apartment above my parents' garage, paying them rent. 00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:12.000 You know, so it like the failure was like the start. 00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:16.480 And like some of like the ambition just came from like, I want to prove everyone wrong. 00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:17.519 I was just pissed. 00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:18.719 Like, I was like, I'm not a failure. 00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:19.760 Like, this is not a failure. 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:24.719 And by the way, you know, and it's just a happy ending is married, like they've been married almost 25 years. 00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:27.679 My kids are grown, very successful life. 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:31.360 Like, you know, and I have a lot of friends that got married 10 years later and they're divorced now. 00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:34.639 And they know you know, it's like, so first of all, the failure doesn't define you. 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:40.800 The failure became the inspiration, like the the fact that I did things out of order, but I also took responsibility. 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:42.079 Like I took things out of order. 00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:43.920 I, you know, I loved my wife very much. 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:50.480 We were together, I brought her home, I married her, you know, we did the thing, and then I got my head down. 00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:51.119 I grinded it. 00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:53.519 I finished my degree, I got to work. 00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:57.039 I ended up, you know, just hunting the DJ thing I did for a few years. 00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:58.480 It was not good for the marriage. 00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:00.159 What was your DJ name? 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:01.039 I'm not gonna say it. 00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:02.639 I don't want people hunting it down. 00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:04.800 I'll tell you guys offline. 00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:12.559 I'm not I'm gonna be not transparent about that because there is there's you can actually find records and stuff that were actually played all over the world, so it's pretty cool. 00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:18.800 I still have boxes of the records because I produced original tracks that were played in clubs, so it's kind of sick as hell, dude. 00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:26.880 People don't really know that part of me, but like it's also really uh terrible for a relationship being out at bars and clubs and nightclubs all night long. 00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:36.880 And um, so I I stayed in the music through the technology and electronic music, and I still and I ended up getting into corporate technology like networking and IT through being in music. 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:38.639 So music's like a gateway to everything, by the way. 00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:39.920 Music is a gateway to connections. 00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:42.000 By the way, music is something that stays with people. 00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:44.639 You become successful in corporate, you become successful in body. 00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:45.599 Like everybody loves music. 00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:49.599 Yeah, like you can bring it, it really does bring people together. 00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:58.960 But like, you know, without going all the way into solving how you do business, like my inspiration came in the beginning from my insecurity, just being honest. 00:35:59.039 --> 00:35:59.760 That's my milestone. 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:04.800 Like, I was insecure and I was upset that I felt like a failure and I wanted to prove people wrong. 00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:14.320 But later, my inspiration came from learning that I hate losing even more than I like winning and being the ultimate competitor. 00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:19.760 So, like you look at competing on stage, I look at every interaction in my life as a competition. 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:25.440 And so I'm fiercely competitive about going out into the world and whatever business I get into, I want to win. 00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:38.079 So, in this space of, you know, in the case of like optimize, like I looked at the entire process of the HRT and peptide industry, and I said, I think I think healthcare is fucked and

flawed as hell. 00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:47.519 I think that, you know, when I was trying to get on my own journey, and I know we can come to this more later of for getting myself fit, because like two years ago, I was like 240 pounds, I was like 25 body fat. 00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:56.559 Um, it started with my own journey for myself and then becoming intensely competitive, you know, dropped from you know to 220 and 10, 12 body fat. 00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:58.639 Like I'm not ever gonna look like you guys. 00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:00.000 I I want to. 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:02.159 Um I don't I don't have the time. 00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:03.679 Um might have to take more tests. 00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:08.880 And I and I've I'm by the way, I've I'm not natty because I've done peptides, but I've never taken anabolics. 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:09.679 So I've done it all. 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:10.880 You've never done TRT? 00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:11.440 Nope. 00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:12.480 I take anybody. 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:14.159 I actually remember us having this conversation. 00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:14.880 I was surprised. 00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:16.800 I started that wild. 00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:34.400 Um, and but the the point in the end is like even when I recognize the opportunity in industry, and I recognize in the case of the guys, uh Jack and Killian, the guys that founded Optimize with me, like I recognize talent, but I'm like, I'm gonna invest in this and I want to build the biggest best company in this space. 00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:36.320 Like that that's what inspires me. 00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:48.960 So whether it's been building my company, you know, Futrum, which is the largest technology research company that um independent that and I I own this and I've been building this for decade, or Optimize, like anything I get into, I want to win. 00:37:49.119 --> 00:38:11.760 And like, I don't know if that helps your homies, and I don't know that your community, but like I think whether it's your story about what made you come back or it's my story about how I kind of overcame failure and pushed through is like you know, one is never being defined by failure, and two is when you pick something and you find that thing you love and you get into it, you know, like it's okay to be fiercely competitive and want to win. 00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:15.840 If you want to get to the top, like you can be get to the middle, you you don't have to be that way. 00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:25.360 But people that want to get to the top, they have to, you know, you can like everyone around you, but everybody that's between you and number one is your competition. 00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:36.880 You know what's funny, like a lot of bodybuilders, like you'll see them um saying, like, like it's funny because they they only know bodybuilding, but they'll say, Oh, bodybuilding is selfish. 00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:43.440 And I don't I think bodybuilding is root isn't like bodybuilding within itself is just lifting, eating healthy, stuff like that. 00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:44.800 It's the competitive side. 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:52.079 And I I don't think they understand to be successful in any industry in life, you have to be a little bit selfish. 00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:54.000 You have to like choose your burners. 00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:56.559 You can't have all, you know, you know, stuff like that. 00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:14.559 Um, because I've read books from like different successful people, like you said, in the music industry, like uh 50 Cent in particular, like how late he would stay up working on his music, how he didn't drink, how he put all of everything into the the um, once he finished with the music, he put everything into um what's it called? 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:16.480 The the TV shows and stuff like that. 00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:26.559 And I've seen other videos where, or not videos, but I read other books where like even Kevin Hart, like how how closed in he was when he was trying to get to the top. 00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:31.199 Like, no matter it is, no matter what you do, uh it's gonna be the same. 00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:32.079 Even in business. 00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:39.840 Like I've had I have a uh friend, she was dating this guy who owns this big uh clothing and and and uh equipment company. 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:43.199 And she's like, oh man, he's always so busy, like he almost never has any time. 00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.880 And I'm just like, yeah, it's the same no matter what you you know, no matter what. 00:39:47.280 --> 00:40:04.480 It's also it's also like you have to choose and defend your your you have to like you know defend your intentions and defend your your time incredibly well because like you know, we only have so much space, like I'm really introverted. 00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:14.159 So like I work in a field where I have to be extroverted all the time because it's like you're running a business, you're communicating, you're trying to keep your customers, all that stuff. 00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:33.760 Like, but if you don't protect your privacy, protect your peace might be the right way of calling it, like it's hard, and that's why like we started the show talking about like social media, like man, that stuff, like you read those comments, you're it's just in intruding your peace, but like protecting your space, protecting your peace, protecting your wellness, so you can focus on your mission. 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:41.519 The mission is whatever it is, and like I said, some people the mission is lots of friends and and lots of fun, and that's great, that's your mission. 00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:50.719 But like if you're trying to, you know, join the you know, the I don't know, the two, comma or the three, comma club or whatever you're trying to get to, that is the mission. 00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:52.079 I mean, you're on it all the time. 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:53.599 You find people, by the

way. 00:40:53.679 --> 00:41:03.679 It's like the rocket ship comes to your door, you get on, like you find the people you want to be on the rocket ship with them, and you find people, but uh I I've got this phrase, your fountains and drains. 00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:05.119 You ever heard that phrase? 00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:09.920 There's people in your life, they're fountains that they add to your life, and there's people in your life that are drains. 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:20.079 And you gotta be really selective because, like, first of all, when you're doing good things, and you guys are all doing good things, like there are people that will want to attach you and they will just drain you, they will absolutely just suck the life out of you. 00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:24.320 Yeah, they will use you for everything you have and they will give nothing back to you. 00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:30.000 And then there's people you'll find that come out come through that are really that are gift, they're a blessing. 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:38.880 Um, and they will add, they will advise you, they will mentor you, they will, and by the way, you gotta be careful not to become a drain to those people because they're giving so much to you. 00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:40.000 But like very true. 00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:44.880 But you know, I and the last thing I'll say about this is like small, like few is better than many. 00:41:45.199 --> 00:42:01.840 True, like few good friends, close family, like keeping and and and like really giving your all to those things, like you know, because like when you're going for it, whether that's the Olympia or whatever, when you're going for it, you're in your zone, you're locked in. 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:06.159 Like, I'm I'm locked in every day to what I'm doing in my routine. 00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:08.800 Like, you know, people want, hey, you want to go to dinner Friday at eight? 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:10.159 It's like, no, I'm in bed at nine, man. 00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:13.920 I go to bed at nine o'clock and I sleep, you know, and I get up and work out at four. 00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:19.760 And like, you know, sometimes the work requires you to get off your schedule, but like, is it worth it? 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:24.079 Um, you gotta ask that question a lot when you're on the mission, when you're on the journey. 00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:26.880 And you know, then in the end, people say you're boring. 00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:30.719 You're boring, you don't like to go out, you're boring, you don't like to eat, you know, crap. 00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:31.760 You're boring, you know. 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:33.280 You you go to the gym at four. 00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:34.239 That's stupid. 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:38.559 You know, they'll they'll criticize everything in your life, but then they'll be like, Oh, I like your car. 00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:40.159 I wish I had your house. 00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:41.519 Can I travel on your plane? 00:42:41.679

--> 00:42:44.960 Whatever it is, like, you know, like they want the good, the good life. 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:46.239 But that's the moral here. 00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:48.159 Like, everybody wants the life. 00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:50.000 Most people don't want to do the work. 00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:51.440 Yeah, no, 100%. 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:58.159 I the one thing I've noticed is just how like the most successful people in the world typically just outwork everybody or when they don't give up. 00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:29.039 And like going further to your point, like I've realized over the years, like, my biggest, my personal biggest issue, and I think a lot of people can relate, is like you have this goal and you're like going towards this goal, but then you get these different opportunities in life, and these might be really nice opportunities, but then like I've gotten to the point where I have to sit back and think, like, does this opportunity like uh is it in line with the actual goal that I want, or is it just something nice, like that that's you know, it's a cool story or something? 00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:37.599 And like I've had to be more protective of my time and say no to a lot more things than I have in the past. 00:43:37.840 --> 00:44:03.039 Like, I remember my first couple years as a pro, like my goal was literally just to do like um one to two guest poses a month, and um I got to that, and then for some reason I was like, okay, let me do three or four, and to the point where I was one time out of town 36 weekends in a row, and that hugely Like, impacted my ability to place well at the Olympia. 00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:04.880 Like, it's cool to get the extra money. 00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:06.559 It was cool to go to different places. 00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:08.079 It was cool to get the guest polls. 00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:10.960 And it did help like the posing side of things. 00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:16.480 But in terms of like winning the Olympia and placing where I wanted to place, it took back quite a bit from that. 00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:17.119 You know? 00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:19.920 So like I think that's one thing, man. 00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:25.199 And that's what I try to remind myself, it's like stay focused on like the main thing you want in life, you know. 00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:29.440 Yeah, you guys are helping teach me that there is a balance that I need to still learn. 00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:35.679 Um, even after these many years, because I find myself being spread, then integrity is my number one thing. 00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:42.639 So me telling people uh that uh, you know, DM me if you guys ever need anything or if you're ever in the heart place, and I still mean that. 00:44:42.800 --> 00:45:03.280 But unfortunately, I feel if I'm not if I if I don't respond within like five days or something, and I know that the messages are there, I immediately feel like this is against my integrity, and I I need to take up some space and energy and time to to do this for a wind of time, which is totally fine because that's my personal goal. 00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:19.679 But I I'm I'm learning now that you guys are helping me kind of just put a good picture and a good visual to exactly how I need to balance out my life, and I think that's a lot of things that's something that a lot of people struggle with, in my opinion, is finding where to put their pockets of energy in. 00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:21.920 No, yeah, it's funny. 00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:33.519 Um since I've I've had to like change a lot of things in my life since I got the gym open, like uh and really, really like I feel like level up in a sense. 00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:40.159 And that was a big thing, was like I have a certain block of time to get this done, and if I don't get it done, then I can't get it done. 00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:41.360 You know what I mean? 00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:49.840 Um and then once you get to that point where like, okay, well, if I can't get this done, then I need to be really selective with like what I can get done in a day. 00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:57.119 And like if I can't get it done, like you said, that's the part where you can be transparent and be like, okay, well, like, bro, I would love to come. 00:45:57.199 --> 00:46:01.360 Like someone asked me today, like, hey bro, I know you're in town, you want to shoot a video, a posing video. 00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:05.760 And I was like, dude, I would love to, but I can't, like, I don't have the time to do it, you know? 00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:22.400 Um, and I think people, like maybe I can like I I maybe I share too much, but like I feel like as long as I'm like open and honest and I tell I give the people the reason why, like, hey man, I would love to, but I can't, then usually like for me that gives me peace, you know. 00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:22.800 Yeah. 00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:37.199 Yeah, they say like you really shouldn't apologize for saying no, especially to things, you know, like no, I'm saying like there's a lot of that kind of out there is like, you know, I get it and I get what you're saying about being, you know, wanting to give. 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:41.519 And you know, I say it's like, first of all, just remember charity starts at home. 00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:52.079 And your ability, your own going back to the whole thing about your own peace, your ability to help those in your community and be really valuable comes like, do you have peace in your head and in your heart and in your soul, like at any given time? 00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:57.039 Because like when you're not clear, how are you helping others be be clear when you're not feeling well? 00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.800 You know, that doesn't mean you don't try to step up all the time. 00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:07.519 I just mean like to some extent, you have to give yourself the chance to be well, to do well for others, you know. 00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:14.079 And if you kind of

push yourself, it's like when you get sick, you know, you push yourself through it too much, you just end up being sick longer. 00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:20.719 Like you've you've you know clearly have this altruistic view, and and and I think it's great. 00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:29.679 I mean, but like I said, if you get your own home in order, you know, it's like people giving advice on how to raise children and their own kids are you know messed up. 00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:36.159 It's like you know, get your kid at home, you know, give to you know, because it's also like what community can you influence the most? 00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:38.159 It's like the people closest to you, yeah. 00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:40.400 But but I I love it. 00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:43.280 I think it's great that you're you know connecting. 00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:46.800 And by the way, sounds like you had you went through it as a as a as a kid. 00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:51.119 I mean, leaving home at 15, that's that's a child, man. 00:47:51.280 --> 00:48:04.400 Like you were a child, and I mean you clearly did okay, but like, you know, the circumstances, I'm sure I mean I say everybody's kind of fucked up, like you know, nobody's family in life is normal. 00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:07.199 Everybody will tell you that, but it's like nobody's nobody's family is normal. 00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:22.639 That's the only thing I I find peace in reminding myself about like whatever I went through is like you know, when you get when you get to know people well enough and they actually open up a little bit, like there's there's a continuum of like what normal is, and the more you get to know them, they start to tell you about things that they went through. 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:24.239 It's like okay, good. 00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:26.239 You're you're your childhood was fucked up too. 00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:32.239 Like, you know, because because like I said, I had a I have some shit that like when I tell people they're like, that's not normal. 00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:33.840 And I'm like, I thought it was normal. 00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:36.800 You know, so no, you know, it's funny. 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:42.719 Like, um, he I 100% agree with you on the uh getting your own house in order first. 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:51.360 Like I was playing my my best placings, you know, were a couple years ago, and the person who constantly beat me was Chris, right? 00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:56.559 And I remember us coming up through this journey and like say Chris, you mean C Bomb? 00:48:56.719 --> 00:48:57.440 C Bomb, sorry, yeah. 00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:07.199 No, I just want to make sure because I'm not in it, so I'm gonna make sure I see the choices we made and like where we are now because of those choices. 00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:16.639 Like, like I obviously I liked posing, but I also loved meeting my fans in person because I love when I got to meet my idols in person versus Chris. 00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:19.599 Chris did not travel to anybody almost ever. 00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:20.480 You know what I mean? 00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:24.400 I think throughout his career, he maybe traveled like four or five times. 00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:27.119 I, you know, and I did that in like a month. 00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.800 And uh he shows up just for the uh for the Olympia. 00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:34.400 Yeah, but the thing is, it's like, granted, I'm I I don't regret it. 00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:51.199 Like I made a lot of impact on a lot of people, but um sometimes like reserving some of that space um for you know, like he reserved all that, and now, you know, I mean, eight years later, he's able to help so many more people than me, you know. 00:49:51.360 --> 00:50:01.599 Like he has the bum energy, which employs probably hundreds of people, you know, he has all these different people that and I that's how I measure success, is like how many people you're able to help, you know. 00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:02.960 He's empire building. 00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:05.599 So, but but that's that side of it. 00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:14.960 But I I like to look at it from like literally, like I was just I like I was like with the gym, it's a really cool man because like I'm able to help people provide for their families, you know? 00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:26.480 And like it is a bit scary, you know, um, because their their lives are in my hands, but it's it's a good feeling when you're doing your best and you're able to help people, right? 00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:36.000 And I personally believe part of the reason why he's been able to do that is because he waited a bit longer to you know until he was a little bit more stable to do stuff with, you know. 00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:42.480 Whereas me, I was just kind of going and ripping and doing stuff, not really planning, like giving myself to everyone like non-stop. 00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:43.679 You know. 00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:57.199 So I do think if you could ease back a bit to get to whatever if you have any like business goals, like and focus on those for a little bit longer, like the byproduct is more people are helped. 00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:06.239 The other thing that most people don't recognize is just the ability to wait, you know, it's uh delayed gratification. 00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:15.679 Because starting a company, like you know, you see the it's kind of like we talked in the beginning about like you see the pictures of you guys on stage, it looks great. 00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:26.239 Most of you most people don't share the whole process, you don't have the 120-pound Terrence photo and every you know, time series of everything you've been through. 00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:33.840 Like to, you know, along the way, it's like to build the business, like you had to take some chances. 00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:39.519 Like I don't have a lot of you know, I've written seven books, so I've written some books about what I've been

through. 00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:41.440 Oh man. 00:51:42.400 --> 00:52:05.599 But um, but I don't talk a lot about the you know, the times when my businesses ran out of money and I was writing checks and I was ex or like you know, even before I started my businesses, the last job I had, like uh, you know, when the company got bought and I knew I was gonna be out of work in like a few weeks and like I didn't have a ton of savings, and I had to go home to my wife, and you know, we had to have a conversation, like, I think I want to start a company. 00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:08.159 And it's like, well, what are we gonna how are we gonna pay for that? 00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:09.119 Like, what do you mean? 00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:18.559 You know, and you had a you know, high, you know, six-figure salary, then all of a sudden you're gonna have nothing, and you're saying you're gonna build it and you have no customers and you know, like that kind of thing. 00:52:18.719 --> 00:52:49.519 Like those moments don't tend to get shared a lot, but that is like the that is the journey, you know, and like to your point though, is like the focus, but the ability to to say, hey, I'm gonna uh make shit money for a few years while I'm building this company, or I'm gonna go, you know, do these competitions knowing I'm gonna have to do a bunch of these to get my card or to get to the you know, like the the process is is uh you know under uh uh disgust in many cases. 00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:55.840 And like I said, the the outcome is always oh, they made their millions or their billions, or there's here's here's the material things they have. 00:52:56.000 --> 00:53:04.400 And by the way, just a sum for everybody out there, and I think it's worth sharing to your community too, is like the things do not uh satisfy you for very long. 00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:08.320 I'm not saying when you make the money that you don't get some of the things. 00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:19.440 You know, I may have one in the parking lot here today, but like you realize like after like that, like it entertains you for like a day, like a few weeks. 00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:20.800 Like you're like, oh, that's super cool. 00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:22.719 And then you you're like, why did I buy that? 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:33.679 And I'm just saying for everyone out there that thinks whether it's they want to become an influencer to make a ton of money, it's like you gotta find the mission, you've got to find the mission, and that's why I go back to the burners, like the family, the mission, the health. 00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:39.760 Like the health for me is like it's the mission of being fit, being healthy, being well, being optimal. 00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:44.079 Um because like the success isn't the money. 00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:47.920 I'm just telling you, like, nobody that doesn't have the money will ever agree with you about that. 00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:53.039 But when you meet people, and that's why like when

someone gets to like you know, 50 billion dollars, why do they keep working? 00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:58.639 Like, you know, when you make when you're like on, you know, in your early in your career, you're thinking, how do I get enough money to stop working? 00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:04.639 And then you get into whatever you're doing and you're having so much fun building, yeah, that you're like, I don't ever want to stop. 00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:06.320 Like, I want to take over everything. 00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:12.320 It's like nobody can spend a like Jeff Bezos can't spend the money he's made, he couldn't spend it in a lifetime, couldn't spend it in three lifetimes. 00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:15.360 But why is he still building and still investing and still doing? 00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:16.639 It's because of the mission. 00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:21.920 So, whatever that is, like for everyone that's out there, it's like figuring out the mission, that's where it all starts. 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:31.119 But also just realizing that to get to the the end game where you see all the things, the yachts, the boats, the perfect physiques, all this stuff is like the mission is the fun. 00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:33.599 Like, you know, people with the old adage of like the journey. 00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:36.079 That's the fun. 00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:44.320 I'm just saying, like, you gotta find some fun in it because if you get totally caught up in the output, you'll realize one that the output, the end, the end game, the result isn't actually the fun. 00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:52.159 It's not, and you also just have to realize like that the the setbacks, all that stuff, that's part of what makes it awesome. 00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:53.840 It does. 00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:55.039 Yeah, yeah. 00:54:55.679 --> 00:55:00.000 Just wish some of my my my uh my fucking missions made a little bit of money. 00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:00.960 Well, that's what I said. 00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:03.679 Like you don't feel like you're making enough money, so you'll never get what I'm saying. 00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:08.719 But I'm telling you, like you'll get the thing you think you want, and then you realize that's not the thing. 00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:15.840 Usually, and by the way, you chasing the the relationships and the inner, like that's something that's like like worth it. 00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:16.559 Yeah, exactly. 00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:19.360 Like finding like the per the right spouse, right? 00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:32.960 Having the family, like that is like you know, and I I know people will be like, you're full of shit, but like honestly, like going home and seeing like my daughter, you know, graduated with her doctorate and like seeing her succeed, and like she's fallen in love, and she's probably gonna get married soon. 00:55:33.039 --> 00:55:39.039 And like, like I did that like you know, the fancy watch, like whatever. 00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:49.280 Yeah, but like the the that that's that's my family, or like the stability you've given, and they're gonna create or like what he just said, like even building a company, like hundreds of people are employed because of me. 00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.559 Well, not just me, but because of the risks I took, right? 00:55:52.719 --> 00:56:03.840 Because of the the mission that we decided to go on, we created uh opportunities for other people to create those kinds of moments in their lives and build families. 00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:11.760 And so I think the connection you're talking about, but like the connection, whatever it is to you, like yours may be connecting with many people. 00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:16.000 You may say, I want to connect deeply with a few people, but like connection is is life. 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:23.599 And I and I think they said that like you can loneliness kills people like faster than like smoking a pack of cigarettes a day. 00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:24.880 Like, loneliness is a killer. 00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:36.960 So you might be introvert, extrovert, whatever you are, but like finding connection, finding your community, finding your people, and finding your mission, that purpose keeps you on the rails, it keeps it makes life worth living. 00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:40.719 Honestly, we could list out a long list of all the peptides that have helped us. 00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:44.880 You guys have heard these peptides and these research chems in the podcast maybe a million times. 00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:59.119 Peptides I've used from APRs such as BPT-157 and TV500 for soft tissue healing, Redotrutide, and other GLPs, mitochondrial support such as SS31, WATC, 5-minute 01 and Q, methylene blue, SLU. 00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:00.719 There's a bunch of others. 00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:02.480 Obviously, the list goes on and on. 00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:14.559 One of my favorite things, though, that I've been utilizing, such as during my last prep, that has allowed my blood work to come basically pristine, aside from slightly elevated liver enzymes at about 60 and 130 one week after the show. 00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:17.840 And this is after a light day because my dumbass doesn't want to skip a training day. 00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:20.239 These are probably the things that I think are the most important. 00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:31.760 So this includes like your injectable glutathione, injectable, or even just normal NHD, lipotable glutathione, GI AIDS such as oral BPC, oral TB, uh KPV. 00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:46.480 A lot of these things have probably been very substantial in uh reducing oxidative stress and keeping all my blood micers down, and thus keeping me as basically healthy as fucking possible that you can be while you're bodybuilding. 00:57:46.559 --> 00:58:01.039 So I couldn't be more thankful to Mike for literally showing me the ropes and also providing me with all of these things, even the compounded supplements that he creates for blood pressure and reducing

oxidative stress on all your organs, including your cardiovascular system, your liver, and your kidneys. 00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:04.880 All of these that he creates have been very substantial, honestly. 00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:08.960 So you can find any of these at his site, APRHealth Solutions.com. 00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:14.480 And he has offered me a code, code NILE, for you guys to use, which will offer you a 15% discount off of all of that as well. 00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:17.599 If you guys end up using those and you like him, please let me know. 00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:20.320 Shoot in a comment, just give me a DM or something. 00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:23.199 And if you ever have any problems or any questions, I'll be here too. 00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:27.440 This is a community for me, even though I don't have a fucking discord because I'm lazy as shit, but I fucking should make one. 00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:31.840 So love you guys and um keep training hard. 00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:38.480 I did the hardest, quote unquote hardest class in the country when I was in uh college, which was like mechanical engineering notes. 00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:39.360 Oh, yeah, I forgot. 00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:43.199 It was thermodynamics too for mechanical engineers at Purdue University. 00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:46.159 Can't tell you one thing about that class. 00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:46.960 You know what's wild. 00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:48.079 I can tell you a single thing, bro. 00:58:48.159 --> 00:58:48.800 I don't remember shit. 00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:49.920 That's the same way, dude. 00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:53.599 Like, I feel like once I don't need it anymore, I it just leaves my head. 00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:55.840 Like, I don't remember anything about electronics. 00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:57.199 Like, I I nothing. 00:58:57.440 --> 00:58:58.239 Yeah, yeah. 00:58:58.400 --> 00:58:59.360 It's pretty bad. 00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:00.239 I got you. 00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:01.440 Yeah, for sure. 00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:04.559 It's all that NPP I'm taking, brother. 00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:06.079 What? 00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:08.159 I said it's all that NPP I'll be taking. 00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:08.960 What's that? 00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:12.880 It's uh fast acting form of Nandelin, fast raster. 00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:15.119 Yeah, like it's like you heard of DECA? 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:17.039 Yeah, yeah, heard of it, yeah, yeah. 00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:18.719 Would it make me bigger? 00:59:19.039 --> 00:59:19.840 For sure, yeah. 00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:21.760 A lot of big yeah, yeah. 00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:29.840 I know Jack, the you know, the guy who runs Optimize always wants me to get on test because he just wants to see how big I would get if I'd be pretty cool, yeah. 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:31.119 I do too. 00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:33.119 I know it's becoming a thing, Nathan. 00:59:33.199 --> 00:59:34.480 You know, Nathan always bugs me. 00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:35.760 He's like, When are

you gonna do a cycle? 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:37.039 What's your total test set? 00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:38.000 850. 00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:38.559 Oh, yeah. 00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:39.920 Damn, yeah, he's good. 00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:42.480 And it's uh I mean I'm running. 00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:44.639 Oh, you're on the enclow? 00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:45.039 Enclo. 00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:46.079 Okay, I'm on Enclo. 00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:47.599 You don't know what it was before that, do you? 00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:49.039 It was, it was 368. 00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:50.320 Ah, holy shit. 00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:54.880 Yeah, but I was like pretty much this big, but like my whole life got better when it went when I went up. 00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:58.719 That's like when it went up, like I was I'm like walking on the clouds. 00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:00.000 I feel great. 01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:06.639 That's a big ass boost off of just and by the way, the free test was all the way at the whatever highest end of the spectrum, too. 01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:11.840 So, you know, all good just on 25 milligrams of enclo. 01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:16.719 I figured I mean I listen for everyone out there, peptides change my life. 01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:19.360 Getting hormones right changes all of our lives, right? 01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:20.639 You can agree with that. 01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:30.400 But like, we should you guys probably recommend this as much as I will, but like build something that starts with the blood work and actually goes through your markers and tests all the markers, right? 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:37.679 Not like a lot of the blood tests they give you, your average doctor gives you as like a very small percentage of the most important markers. 01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:46.400 And the doctor said to me, like, look, you could go on TRT, but I think the enclomophon could give you the same result without some of the things you'd have to manage. 01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:47.599 Yeah, if you went on TRT. 01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:49.599 Have you experienced any side effects from Enclo? 01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:51.840 Feeling awesome. 01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:57.679 Um, I mean, I really don't because like, you know, my sound like those teenagers on TikTok right now. 01:00:58.480 --> 01:00:58.880 Yeah, I know. 01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:11.840 And I'm I'm I'm trying to make sure I can relate a little bit with this younger audience that you guys have, but like um, you know, I mean, I felt my energy go up, my like vitality, like I felt more feral, like you know, in life. 01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:13.519 Like feral. 01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:20.800 You know, you know, but like you know, like you want it more, like you want it more, like you know, I felt good. 01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:25.199 But I mean, but like what to me, but to be fair, the it is like everything. 01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:29.199 Like I've got that like drive, like you know, just that little bit of edge. 01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:35.519 And like I was talking earlier about being competitive, man, like being on the right balance of hormones, like getting that right and like yeah, getting that optimized. 01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:40.239 And then, like I said, stacking it up with the the right kind of mix of of the peptides. 01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:55.519 You know, I know you were showing, I don't know if you were on camera doing a little psalm, but like the cognitive benefits with the you know, the CIMAX and Celank, the everyday wellness, and I know it's not a peptide, but like NAD and glutathione, like getting that in, like taking care of your baseline. 01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:57.519 That's kind of like test is to a stack, right? 01:01:57.679 --> 01:01:59.519 Getting those baseline things right. 01:01:59.920 --> 01:02:02.079 And then those you know, GH secretagas. 01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:07.280 I know uh maybe GH you'd argue is just better to take GH, but like test peptides. 01:02:08.239 --> 01:02:08.960 It is a peptide, right? 01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:10.800 Tesamerelin, insulin, too. 01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:13.519 Um, yeah, that one you gotta be real careful with, though, right? 01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:20.159 But tesamerelin, ipomerelin, and then you got these energy blends like MOTC that are C is awesome, yeah. 01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:20.719 Awesome. 01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:24.559 You gotta dial all the parts in, but like who helps you with that? 01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:25.599 Like, who makes that accessible? 01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:29.360 And by the way, don't tell me Instagram because it it's so confusing. 01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:40.960 Like when I was starting my journey, like it was so confusing because you go on Instagram and everybody's an expert on peptides, and everybody's an expert on steroids, and everybody's an expert on weight loss, and every like, who do you trust? 01:02:41.199 --> 01:02:42.000 Yeah, yeah. 01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:45.280 Some of these kids are also just posting shit that's just like flat out wrong. 01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:46.480 I'm not gonna lie. 01:02:46.639 --> 01:02:49.039 One of my friends with Kayla sent me, like, yo, um, is this right? 01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:54.239 And it was this dude who basically just listed out like, dude, a long list of peptides. 01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:58.719 Um, and he would just put a dash and then like one word to describe that. 01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:00.000 And I was like, dude, that's impossible. 01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:00.960 Like you cannot do that. 01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:10.719 Yeah, for example, yeah, for uh and like you'd see like like for BPC and then TB, they have a lot of similarities, but they act on different different they they they have different focus areas. 01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:24.800 Um and um for on his post, it was would be example would be just like repair like one of them is healing and the other one was not healing, and the other thing was something else that was like one facet of it. 01:03:25.119

--> 01:03:25.440 I don't know. 01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:26.239 My shoulder hurts. 01:03:26.320 --> 01:03:27.920 I've been taking a lot of BPC lately. 01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:28.320 Okay. 01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:30.639 In case anyone cares, yeah. 01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:33.199 All their shoulders hurt. 01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:35.599 Left shoulder, is it your right left shoulder, right knee? 01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:36.079 Huh? 01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:37.119 Is it your left? 01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:38.239 My right shoulder hurts. 01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:39.440 I don't know what I did. 01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:41.360 Yeah, probably slept on it raw. 01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:43.679 Yeah, that's usually what it is. 01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:45.920 They say I've been reading that like side sleeping. 01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:50.719 I sleep on my right side a lot, and they say that's actually a good way, because like the tendon up here pulls on it. 01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:56.239 I have to like if I sleep on my side now, I have to put a bunch of pillows so I can like so it doesn't hurt. 01:03:56.320 --> 01:03:56.880 Yeah. 01:03:57.199 --> 01:04:00.800 Before before we go pillow commercial, there's probably some special pillow. 01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:01.119 Go ahead. 01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:18.960 Before we go deeper into what uh what we're doing and everything, I kind of want to get an idea of y'all's lifestyle, especially since yours is an entrepreneur and someone who also isn't, you know, running gear is gonna be completely I would assume is gonna be different than uh Terrence, who's competing for Olympia. 01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:21.519 Um you don't think I look like Olympia? 01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:22.320 No. 01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:25.599 I'm I'm curious if there's a difference. 01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:33.039 I'm curious if there's much of a difference or not, but um because I've never really discussed the differences with anybody. 01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:34.480 This is the first time, I think. 01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:48.960 Um but uh yeah, dude, Terrence, I think you have like I I really genuinely think you have the best overall proportions of a class of competitor that I think I've seen on the stage, honestly. 01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:52.320 Yeah, and um, and then everyone already knows you're proposing. 01:04:52.480 --> 01:04:54.639 But um handsome devil too. 01:04:55.199 --> 01:04:56.239 Alright, yeah. 01:04:56.880 --> 01:04:57.599 I'm alright. 01:04:57.760 --> 01:04:58.400 I'm alright. 01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:05.599 What are the things that you had to uh what are the things that you were focusing on for this 2026 Olympia? 01:05:05.679 --> 01:05:07.760 And did the judges give you any feedback on last? 01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:25.199 Yeah, my focus has been just like to be quite honest with you, uh the way this year has gone was probably like after the 2025 Miss Olympia, perfect, perfect uh up until like December, January. 01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:32.320 And then once we have we had

to start getting ready for the gym opening, just completely downhill for like three, four months. 01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:34.639 Um, I lost like 20 pounds. 01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:38.159 Um was it I was training maybe twice a week. 01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:45.440 Um and then it didn't really get back on point until like June. 01:05:46.639 --> 01:05:50.320 So um the plan was just to get bigger. 01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:52.960 You know, I was three, four pounds under the weight limit. 01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:57.760 So um going up into the gym opening, we were right on point. 01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:02.960 Uh Obviously went backwards quite a bit. 01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:08.719 You know, I always think I could do everything all at once, but uh you definitely definitely makes it really hard. 01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:12.079 But yeah, uh the plan was yeah, just get bigger. 01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:13.599 And like we're we're getting there. 01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:16.079 It's really close, honestly, um, time frame wise. 01:06:16.159 --> 01:06:20.480 Like, but things have been going really good the past couple weeks, which has been really nice, you know. 01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:21.360 Yeah. 01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:22.320 Damn. 01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:29.280 That's so it was really a lot just to get the I mean, I would assume it is, like, that's what I've heard from all of you, yeah. 01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:32.400 People that have opened gyms and everything, but you know, I never have. 01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:39.440 Yeah, and like I I went with the franchise and like I thought it would be a lot more turnkey than what it was. 01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:40.800 Um, and it was not. 01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:46.239 It was a 99% was me figuring it out and doing it on my which franchise? 01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:48.719 I don't wanna, I don't wanna uh they'll know. 01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:50.079 I uh you don't want to market. 01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:53.519 Um it's Wolf Jim's Houston, yeah. 01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:54.880 Yeah, so a newer one. 01:06:55.039 --> 01:07:02.639 Um I knew one of the owners, uh silent partner, uh Dave Fatista, he's the the actor, he's part owner. 01:07:02.719 --> 01:07:04.480 So uh I used we had the same trainer. 01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:06.239 He was really big, then he got really small. 01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:06.880 Yeah, yeah. 01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:09.840 I mean he's like in his 50s, so he just wanted to trim down. 01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:18.239 Um yeah, so he re you know, uh he reached out to me and said, Hey, if you're interested in this, you know, we'd love to have you. 01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:21.519 And I was like, okay, yeah, this will be really cool, yeah. 01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:22.400 Yeah. 01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:24.960 But yeah, it was it's been a journey. 01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:29.679 Um schedule wise, I'll I'll focus more on last year. 01:07:29.840 --> 01:07:39.679 Last year was literally wake up, do red light therapy, eat breakfast, no wait, red light therapy, then do cardio, eat breakfast. 01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:47.440 From there, uh I would I had like this shockwave therapy device. 01:07:47.599 --> 01:07:56.079 So I would do that in all my problem areas, and then anywhere that like uh I had to do like peptides or PEDs to break up the scar tissue. 01:07:56.480 --> 01:07:56.800 Yeah. 01:07:57.199 --> 01:08:11.679 Then I would eat again, go to the gym, train for about two hours, then eat, and then go home and then do cardio slash walk, you know, in the afternoon. 01:08:11.840 --> 01:08:17.119 And then from there, at night I would just chill, watch TV eat, play video games. 01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:24.479 You know, this year it's a lot different, but that was probably the best body milder year I had was just literally eat, train, sleep, you know. 01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:25.039 Yeah. 01:08:25.199 --> 01:08:25.359 Yeah. 01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:26.000 Yeah. 01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:28.640 And this year, this year was just a whole different world. 01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:31.039 Yeah, now I got my schedule figured out. 01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:47.199 Like uh, I wake up, um, still do the cardio, do the red light therapy when I have time, eat, and then I head, and then some days I'll head into the gym, but some days I don't because the members can they like to chat sometimes and I'm trying to work. 01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:48.560 So I work from home. 01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:52.239 I I have an app, so like I'll respond to people on there. 01:08:53.119 --> 01:09:00.319 I'll do any like admin stuff for the gym I need to do, any like graphics, because I do quite a bit of it. 01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:05.920 Like I'm right now at the point where like when you're a small business owner, you're doing like multiple things at one time. 01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:16.479 So like some of it's like learning like how to run meta ads, some of it's um literally just respond like training the staff on sales. 01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:19.680 Some of it's how can I market this product better? 01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:23.199 Some of it's you know, I had to let someone go the other day. 01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:25.680 So um, yeah, first time. 01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:27.840 First, first uh time for the gym. 01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:29.039 First time you fired someone? 01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:32.960 Second time I fired somebody, first time like I had to do it in person. 01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:33.520 Okay. 01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:34.960 It was a lot different. 01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:35.359 Yeah. 01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:38.079 You wonder what kind of person you are when you have to fire people. 01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:39.199 Nah, yeah, it sucked. 01:09:39.359 --> 01:09:39.760 It's hard. 01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:42.079 Um it it fluctuated. 01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:43.520 Some of it, like, oh, this sucks. 01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:51.279 Some of it was like, I'm like, uh some days like going into the process, it was really easy at first. 01:09:51.359 --> 01:09:54.000

And I'm like, this person didn't do A, B, C, D, E, F, G. 01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:55.600 I'm like, this person needs to go. 01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:59.359 And then going through it and then seeing the reaction, it was really difficult. 01:09:59.439 --> 01:10:04.399 And it was it was sad because the person was trying, it's just things weren't getting done. 01:10:04.479 --> 01:10:06.640 Like, I think they were not qualified for the position. 01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:12.079 You always gotta always gotta look downstream to who else is affected if you let them stay. 01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:13.359 That's just a big thing. 01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:14.399 That was I've been talking about it. 01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:17.520 Customers are affected, the other employees are infected, affected. 01:10:17.680 --> 01:10:20.560 It just tends to maybe they're infected, but definitely affected. 01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:21.439 Yeah, yeah. 01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:23.279 No, that was a huge reason as well. 01:10:23.680 --> 01:10:25.840 It wasn't funny, but no. 01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:27.840 But yeah, yeah. 01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:29.920 And then now I train like at 6 p.m. 01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:33.199 and then um eat and go home. 01:10:33.279 --> 01:10:39.199 So like the first half of my day is work, I go train, um, like six to eight, and then uh yeah. 01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:40.560 Okay, gotcha. 01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:41.760 It's a lot of trading. 01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:42.640 A lot of, yeah. 01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:51.760 Um, what what muscle group are you guys trying to focus on most? 01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:53.600 Is there a specific one? 01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:58.640 So, like when you get to this, like uh like the top level, I would say, like it gets very nitpicky. 01:10:58.720 --> 01:10:58.880 Yeah. 01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:05.279 Um I'm at like the biggest thing I wanted to bring up from last year was like the middle of my back. 01:11:05.359 --> 01:11:12.800 So like erectors, um uh lower trouts, rhomboids, like literally just that to be to be thicker, you know? 01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:14.159 That's the biggest thing. 01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:14.479 Yeah. 01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:15.680 Damn, what the hell? 01:11:15.920 --> 01:11:18.319 So what just fucking like deadlifts and shit? 01:11:18.640 --> 01:11:23.119 Yeah, so I don't like like I have soul ass issues, so I can't do a lot of hip hinging. 01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:27.520 So it's literally they got these things called kelcel trucks I do quite a bit now. 01:11:27.760 --> 01:11:36.720 And then um the best thing I can do um is literally just free weight, like in turn like TYRO, barbell row, dumbbell row, and just load it. 01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:43.279 Like I can't actually go through the motion, but as long as I'm like loading it and like in a static position, I think it's still kind of helping quite a bit. 01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:43.840 Gotcha. 01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:44.159 Okay. 01:11:44.319 --> 01:11:45.279 What's your training split? 01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:50.880 Like, is the same as is it similar to last year where it was upper lower, or it was like kind of like a form of it? 01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:54.560 Torso, chest, back, and shoulders on one day, and legs and arms on a different day. 01:11:55.359 --> 01:11:55.760 That's cool. 01:11:55.920 --> 01:12:01.039 It's wild because I I switched it for a bit, like uh this year. 01:12:02.319 --> 01:12:10.000 I wanted to spend more time in the gym, and like those sessions are long, like chest, back, shoulders a long session, legs and arms are a long session. 01:12:10.079 --> 01:12:13.119 So I was like, let me just hit the gym more often, but for less time. 01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:20.960 So I went back to a push for legs, and uh no, I I it didn't, it wasn't it was not as effective for me, you know. 01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:24.319 Um I switched back and like things are just really moving again. 01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:25.600 Yeah, okay. 01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:28.239 Wow, yeah. 01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:31.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:34.560 It's crazy. 01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:45.199 Like what like last year when it was just bodybuilding, I got so locked into a schedule to where like you know, I tracked everything, my reps, uh the weight I used. 01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:54.960 If I would go work out with a different person and for whatever reason we did one different exercise or one extra set, then the next workout I would I I could see the difference. 01:12:55.119 --> 01:13:01.760 Like um week after week after week I was progressing, and then that would be the one um session where I actually um went backwards. 01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:02.720 Yeah, yeah. 01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:03.359 Wow. 01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:05.439 That is that's so on top of it though. 01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:08.000 Yeah, it was it's cool too. 01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:10.000 Yeah, it's cool, yeah. 01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:21.359 Dude, that's so hard for people to find that like perfect, literally the perfect place where you're like you've you you know exactly where your biofeedback is, so you're you're just hitting like that fatigue margin. 01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:24.880 Like just it's fucking nuts. 01:13:25.119 --> 01:13:26.800 Um do you mind me asking? 01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:32.399 Are there any um are there any compounds that you guys are trying to avoid for for prep? 01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:38.479 Like, is there anything that you find isn't constructive for prep for any reason? 01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:44.239 Whether it's mentality, stress load, sleep, or it just doesn't seem to like add? 01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:56.800 Well, um a lot of it now is just dealing with like the uncertainty in like the market, like the the manufacturing overseas and like what's real and what's not has been a huge deciding factor on what we use. 01:13:57.039 --> 01:14:07.199 But if I had to think of anything, like um I've only I only used it one prep, uh halo testing, and like that

did not work very well for me at all. 01:14:07.279 --> 01:14:21.600 Like it it the first couple days is really cool because it's like, oh man, I'm getting I'm I look bigger, I look fuller, and then I just get ridiculous amounts of water, like after like like really quickly to the point where it's just I can't do it. 01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:24.560 So for the most part, I mean you've interviewed my coach before. 01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:27.119 Um he's very, very, very simple. 01:14:27.199 --> 01:14:31.359 Like, even in terms of like where everyone was doing the metformin, we just stuck to berberine, you know. 01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:33.760 He's he's very simplistic in that sense. 01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:35.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:14:35.520 --> 01:14:35.840 Okay. 01:14:36.239 --> 01:14:37.600 I mean, that's so interesting to know. 01:14:37.680 --> 01:14:41.199 It's always interesting to hear how people react differently to each substance. 01:14:41.439 --> 01:14:45.039 Um yeah, the generic variance is crazy. 01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:52.640 Uh is there any um like what are you guys doing for uh health protective measures, if any? 01:14:52.800 --> 01:15:07.920 Um and are there any like uh either supplements, medications, or peptides that you guys are utilizing in order to help yourself stay on track, maintain a good level of energy throughout the end of the prep, you know, like keep blood markers within a good range, anything like that? 01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:12.239 I've been really using just the NAT Plus and the Gulad Ion have been helping quite a bit. 01:15:12.399 --> 01:15:24.399 Uh it's been nice to work with Optimize, man, because like I like I know it sounds very azzy and then you got the balls here, I feel, but I really like really like I um like we went through the process of coming on board like a month. 01:15:24.479 --> 01:15:27.600 Like I was like, let me go through the process, see if I actually like any things like that. 01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:34.000 So it wasn't like um, oh, let me just get another sponsor because I have a lot of obligations already, you know? 01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:40.479 And um I just really like um the fact like things come on time. 01:15:40.720 --> 01:15:42.880 I like the fact that I can speak to a doctor. 01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:53.359 I know to be quite honest with you, especially from the day I came with where it was very tabooed to talk to, like they said just like it was almost impossible to find a doctor you could talk to about bodybuilding stuff and PEDs. 01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:56.000 Um they would just say, No, I don't want to do it, or I don't want to talk about it. 01:15:56.079 --> 01:16:00.800 You should stop that, you know, to find a doctor, like they understand like what my goals are. 01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:02.800 Like, I guess it was that was one of the best parts. 01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:04.239 The doctor was in Houston. 01:16:04.399 --> 01:16:08.239 Um, I told her, like, hey, I'm a professional bodybuilder, this is what I do for a living. 01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:11.920 And she was like, Okay, well, this is what's going on, this is what I see in your lab work. 01:16:12.079 --> 01:16:14.319 These are some ways where I think you can be better. 01:16:14.640 --> 01:16:18.319 Obviously, um, you have this goal in mind, and we'll work around that, right? 01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:22.720 So, like, even she even took a look at my diet, like, and she's like, You're eating too many bananas. 01:16:22.880 --> 01:16:24.079 Like, if you could cut that back quite a bit. 01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:24.880 What do you eat? 01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:26.239 I was eating like three at the time. 01:16:26.319 --> 01:16:29.520 Now I cut it back to well, it's zero now, but at the time we cut it back to one. 01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:30.800 Yeah, I wanted that. 01:16:31.119 --> 01:16:32.560 Uh yeah, man. 01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:34.319 So just checking. 01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:35.840 I want to make sure I wasn't breaking the rules. 01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:37.199 Oh yeah, yeah. 01:16:37.439 --> 01:16:39.760 Um, and I eat them while I work out. 01:16:41.199 --> 01:17:02.960 For me, like genetically, like, obviously, I know for most people, they're like, oh man, like genetically, like you're like the best, but like at the same time, like compared to my peers, I'm definitely not because like I'm not at my weight cap after 10 years of competing, where you got my buddy Anton, who's 22 and already broke past his weight cap, like with with ease. 01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:19.840 So like genetically, like, yeah, I have and even to the other side of that, like I have to keep a closer eye on my blood markets because I get I'm like a middle of the ground in terms of like gaining size from PEDs, but like um the negatives are a little bit higher. 01:17:19.920 --> 01:17:23.680 Like my blood pressure, I'll have to I always have to keep an eye on, I have to keep an eye on my liver. 01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:31.039 Yeah, and um just having a doctor there and then having the the glutathione and that plus and just all that stuff has been really helpful. 01:17:31.119 --> 01:17:37.039 You know, I feel a lot better about competing now and competing longer, you know, with that in mind. 01:17:37.359 --> 01:17:39.039 Yeah, yeah, I can get that. 01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:46.000 The glutathione I haven't I have not stopped using in like the last five years or so, which is fucking I think probably the biggest factor. 01:17:46.159 --> 01:17:53.119 If I tell anyone to just get a peptide at all, especially if they're in bodybuilding, I just recommend glutathione first, easily. 01:17:53.359 --> 01:17:56.479 I mean, it's dude, I'm the master antioxidant. 01:17:56.720 --> 01:17:57.199 Right, right. 01:17:57.359 --> 01:17:59.119 It's the thing that kind of the strongest one found in your body. 01:18:04.159 --> 01:18:12.000 It's not and it's from like every aspect of what we do, like the workouts, the cardio, the amounts of

food, the the the PEDs, like all of it. 01:18:12.319 --> 01:18:27.920 Well, you guys, you guys know where I I don't even know if people I don't think there's like yeah, you guys know where I found this out, like how important this was in bodybuilding first was like obviously I was utili uh utilizing gl glutathione back in the day when I learned about it anyways. 01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:35.760 Um but I started working under Neil Hill for a few months, and this is before I did any of my first pro shows. 01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:40.640 So this was like in between me getting my pro card and then me competing at my first pro show. 01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:57.359 And in his plan was IV three to five grams of glutathione each month um as part of the program, which I'm I really like because obviously my story about one of the reasons I started the podcast and when I started competing was um being under a coach who didn't have any of that stuff. 01:18:57.439 --> 01:18:59.920 He was just like, you know, take these orals. 01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:05.359 Um so I found interesting that I was like, okay, three to five grams of glutathione. 01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:06.399 I'm gonna quate that. 01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:10.159 Luckily, I have it in convenience at my fridge, so I'm just gonna equate that to my injections. 01:19:10.319 --> 01:19:11.680 How much should I be taking? 01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:14.800 You know, okay, estimating weight, maybe like a gram a week. 01:19:15.039 --> 01:19:18.960 It's on the higher end, I feel like, than most people, but a gram a week, I'll try it out. 01:19:19.119 --> 01:19:19.760 Try it out, dude. 01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:21.600 My micers were always within range. 01:19:21.680 --> 01:19:30.319 And then within in the last few preps as well, you know, I would get my blood work within a week of my last show. 01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:36.560 And the blood work would be extremely surprising at how great it was, which is awesome. 01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:51.840 But I also don't have the best genetics for like what the highest I pushed last year was 600 test, 500 primo for my offseason, and like my blood work or by my by blood pressure, even with telmasarin at 80 milligrams, is still on the higher end. 01:19:52.159 --> 01:19:54.800 Um I have to take nato kinase fast in the morning. 01:19:54.880 --> 01:19:57.039 I had to take Arjuna extract fast in the morning. 01:19:57.199 --> 01:20:04.560 Uh, I have to take a good hefty dose every day, fast of citrus bergamot, straglis fruit, astralicus fruit. 01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:11.760 Sometimes I'm using as sometimes I'm using fucking salute just to hopefully even help benefit the micros a little bit, which it seems like it has. 01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:18.880 But like there's so many different things that I have to utilize because uh I don't got your genetics, Anton. 01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:30.399 But you're also a stick out of working though, so but no, it's cool that I mean he he also he's also like I I believe

in him running moderate dosages as well. 01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:31.039 I believe he's gonna be able to do that. 01:20:31.199 --> 01:20:40.000 He just responds really well, which is why also he doesn't have issues, why it doesn't have to be scared about like his blood work and shit. 01:20:40.239 --> 01:20:52.399 But I mean I'm really glad that all of these things are available to us because back when they weren't available and I didn't know about this stuff, I can tell you my my blood work looked fucking terrible. 01:20:52.640 --> 01:20:53.920 Like it looked so fucking bad. 01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:58.239 And this was before I even started running like actual real-ass bodybuilding cycles, man. 01:20:58.399 --> 01:21:10.720 Like I was just taking orals regularly and or I was taking um, I mean, yeah, orals are terrible, but uh even when I first started my first cycle, like 250 test off the bat, like lipids were super skewed. 01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:20.960 Um, my inflammation was my CRP is always so so low, and I'm assuming it's because of glutathione and then the diet, but um CRP was not that low before um on average. 01:21:21.119 --> 01:21:27.520 Every time I do my blood work, uh blood pressure was even higher, right? 01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:31.279 I didn't even I wasn't taking telmosarin back then, but blood pressure was even higher. 01:21:31.359 --> 01:21:41.119 So just having doctors be able to kind of I think translate your blood work to you if you're not super knowledgeable about it, which I think a lot of people aren't. 01:21:41.359 --> 01:21:46.079 I think that's something that everybody should at least everyone should at least do once. 01:21:46.560 --> 01:21:47.680 You know, once minimum. 01:21:48.479 --> 01:22:04.239 And and then if if obviously it's clear that like you know, there's probably some issues or you're gonna run more stuff in the future where your health isn't is gonna isn't gonna be it's probably hard to assume your health will always be great even if you're not in bodybuilding, you know what I mean? 01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:11.039 Then that's a good idea for you to consistently keep doing blood work, which a lot of people just like me in the past would just procrastinate and get lazy to do. 01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:13.680 So yeah. 01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:20.720 What are the things that you're doing for your health and fitness now that you're a little bit more into fitness uh than you were in the past? 01:22:21.039 --> 01:22:23.359 Yeah, I was always the truth was I I was always into it. 01:22:23.439 --> 01:22:26.399 I was a you know, like I said, I was a I was an athlete in college. 01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:36.159 Working out was a regular part of my life, but like, you know, life happens, you know, and when you're working as much as I am, you know, I travel 45 weeks a year, probably on average. 01:22:36.319 --> 01:22:41.760 Um I'm not gone every day, but I'm gone, you know, a few days every week, three, four days. 01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:46.399 So like uh, you know, fitting it in, being consistent has always been harder. 01:22:46.479 --> 01:22:53.359 And then of course it's business, you know, customer dinners, eating out, just eating out in general, just being on the road, just hard to eat well. 01:22:53.439 --> 01:22:55.199 Like, you know, because what what do you eat to get fit? 01:22:55.279 --> 01:22:57.760 You know, eat chicken with rice, rice and chicken. 01:22:58.479 --> 01:23:00.399 And the travel's gotta be just hard on your body. 01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:01.680 It is, it's super hard on your body. 01:23:01.760 --> 01:23:05.920 I I do overseas travel too, so it's not all even domestic, so but time zones. 01:23:06.159 --> 01:23:12.000 So everything for me was fucked up, sleep was fucked up, uh, you know, like eating and diet was was screwed up. 01:23:12.159 --> 01:23:18.079 So I mean, um, but like I figured I figured it out, like because I'm I'm not traveling any less. 01:23:18.399 --> 01:23:23.520 But like that was part of what I was trying to trying to do with like getting the lifestyle right with optimized. 01:23:23.600 --> 01:23:44.640 So a couple things like you know, one is you know, like I said, there's the the the sleep, there's the diet nutrition, there's supplementation, peptides, and in your case is the PEDs, and then there's the the the the training, you know, and so you know, I it's funny, I run a six-day split, everybody laughs at me, but I do like uh push-pull legs day off, push-pull legs, day off. 01:23:44.800 --> 01:23:50.159 And of course, sometimes if I'm traveling or I can't find a good gym, I'll it'll screw it up a little bit, but I do that really consistently. 01:23:50.319 --> 01:23:54.000 Um, I get up at like 4 30 when I'm not traveling, I get up at like 4 30 a.m. 01:23:54.159 --> 01:23:55.680 I'm in the gym by like five. 01:23:55.920 --> 01:24:01.840 Um, you know, my supplementation is, you know, I'm probably taking what every norm is uh creatine. 01:24:01.920 --> 01:24:04.239 Um I take it for for brain and body. 01:24:04.319 --> 01:24:06.239 I take like 20 20 grams a day. 01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:07.039 Yeah, yeah. 01:24:07.199 --> 01:24:10.159 Um, so I've got a great thing going there. 01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:13.199 Um and then uh is it the home? 01:24:13.439 --> 01:24:15.119 Do you like is your gym in your home? 01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:17.039 I have a gym in my home, but I go to the gym too. 01:24:17.119 --> 01:24:19.199 I get up, I'll drive my ass to the gym. 01:24:19.279 --> 01:24:20.800 I got three or four memberships. 01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:24.319 Um I like to work out around people, kind of motivates me. 01:24:24.640 --> 01:24:27.600 But like uh I do have a gym in home too, so time permitting, you know. 01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:28.880 But then I go ahead. 01:24:29.119 --> 01:24:33.039 No, I was just gonna say that's why New Tech is a little boring sometimes in Vegas. 01:24:33.279 --> 01:24:33.760 Ah, yeah. 01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:38.720 It's a

good place to not get bothered and keep your head down, but sometimes it's just like so dead, the energy is just so dead. 01:24:39.039 --> 01:24:39.439 Yeah, yeah. 01:24:39.520 --> 01:24:42.000 I mean, I can get my head in music and and stuff, but I like it. 01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:49.359 That's like the House of Gaines where we worked out, like the House of Gaines where we worked out, like the Mega Mask machines are the best. 01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:51.439 Uh yeah, they make good stuff, they make great stuff. 01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:55.520 But the um, but yeah, so I you know wake up. 01:24:55.680 --> 01:25:00.560 First thing I do is I I I, you know, you your PEDs are my peptides. 01:25:00.640 --> 01:25:07.920 So I get up in the morning and you know, I do my peptides, and you know, I've got uh I take a recomp blend. 01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:10.640 It's a tessamerelin, MOTC, and AOD. 01:25:10.960 --> 01:25:12.720 I take it every every morning, five days. 01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:14.640 Everything's like five days on, two days off. 01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:19.199 And then I take uh five amino, which helps with fat metabolizing. 01:25:19.600 --> 01:25:35.520 Five amino is so nice, and then I take um the NAD, my MOTS, uh my NAD, my um glutathione, and uh and I've been playing around with RETA like anywhere from running about two to I I tried six for a week or two before vacation. 01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:37.039 I want to get as eaten as I could. 01:25:37.600 --> 01:25:38.960 I mean, I leaned down. 01:25:39.199 --> 01:25:42.000 I mean, and it's been great because like muscle preservation has been good. 01:25:42.079 --> 01:25:43.439 But I've tried a lot of other peptides. 01:25:43.520 --> 01:25:48.640 I've tried IGF LR3, which was put on like eight pounds of muscle in like two months with that one. 01:25:48.720 --> 01:25:49.600 That one was crazy. 01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:52.720 Yeah, um, but I I you know with what which one? 01:25:53.039 --> 01:25:55.359 IGF LR uh IGF one l r three. 01:25:55.439 --> 01:25:56.319 You put how many pounds? 01:25:56.399 --> 01:25:58.880 Like eight pounds in like 45 days. 01:25:59.199 --> 01:26:01.840 Do you and it was mostly lean, it was like seven to one. 01:26:02.800 --> 01:26:03.279 How are you? 01:26:03.439 --> 01:26:05.600 What was your protocol for injecting it? 01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:07.600 Five days, two days, five days on. 01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:07.920 I don't know. 01:26:08.079 --> 01:26:10.000 Five days on two days off, five days on two days off. 01:26:10.079 --> 01:26:14.000 So everything, by the way, that's probably one of the things like I could dial in more with my doctor. 01:26:14.079 --> 01:26:17.600 Yeah, is because like everything she she just kind of has five days, two days off. 01:26:17.680 --> 01:26:22.720 But I think that's just for the body to like have a chance to to you know not get overly used to anything. 01:26:22.800 --> 01:26:29.600 And then I by the way, I take I take BPC and KPV, and I take those at night, KPV, and then take DSIP, the delta sleep peptide. 01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:30.079 Yeah. 01:26:30.720 --> 01:26:33.439 Do you actually believe that IGF one did like help you do that? 01:26:33.760 --> 01:26:34.720 Like, did anything change? 01:26:35.039 --> 01:26:35.680 Did your training change? 01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:37.600 It was like I don't know. 01:26:37.680 --> 01:26:49.840 I think some of it was like it was all kind of happening at like because I'd really you know, my journey's been in you, I don't know if you've seen like the before-after photos, but like you know, 240, almost 25% body fat, like always strong. 01:26:50.000 --> 01:26:58.880 Like I had like good build, like I could put muscle on, but like thick, fluffy in the middle, and like now I'm like 220 and like 10, 12 in that range. 01:26:59.119 --> 01:27:04.640 Um and I have more lean mass now at 220 than I did at 245. 01:27:04.720 --> 01:27:05.359 Oh nice. 01:27:05.520 --> 01:27:08.960 And so I mean, I don't know if there was any one thing. 01:27:09.119 --> 01:27:10.319 I mean, I train like an animal. 01:27:10.479 --> 01:27:13.520 I mean, for a guy that's not a bodybuilder, you can ask anyone that you work with. 01:27:13.600 --> 01:27:15.840 Like, you've worked out with me, but I you I'd say you'd agree. 01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:18.159 I I'm willing to I'm willing to go after it. 01:27:18.239 --> 01:27:19.439 Like I train hard for sure. 01:27:19.520 --> 01:27:23.520 I just wish it was a it was a little I wish we had a a real lifting session though. 01:27:23.600 --> 01:27:26.000 Yeah, we could focus on because there's so many people that we're trying to do. 01:27:26.479 --> 01:27:30.720 Yeah, we're doing videos and talking and eating, but like I train hard. 01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:35.760 I I train, I'm really focused too though, on like the quality, like I'm not ego lifting. 01:27:35.840 --> 01:27:37.520 I lift a lot of weight, but I don't ego lift. 01:27:37.600 --> 01:27:47.199 Like, you know, I I've actually stopped a lot of things I used to do, like benching and actually back squatting, and I've replaced it with a lot of other things to where I could get more strength and more time under tension. 01:27:47.359 --> 01:27:48.399 But I love the training. 01:27:48.479 --> 01:27:51.520 I love the training, and I love getting up and I love getting after it. 01:27:51.680 --> 01:27:58.319 Um, and like I said, I mean, I, you know, 45 years old, I'm in the best shape of my life. 01:27:58.479 --> 01:27:59.760 You know, the peptides. 01:28:00.239 --> 01:28:03.920 The training, the diet, you know, I was joking with you, you're taking choline supplements. 01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:05.600 I'm like, I eat eight eggs a day. 01:28:06.800 --> 01:28:10.640 I eat eggs, I eat cottage, I eat chicken, I eat steak. 01:28:10.880 --> 01:28:13.199 To be fit, you got to be a little boring. 01:28:13.359 --> 01:28:14.560 Like fit is boring. 01:28:14.640 --> 01:28:20.800 Like I eat a lot of avocado, I eat a lot of

raw butter, I eat like you know, um yogurt, Greek, 0%. 01:28:21.439 --> 01:28:22.800 Uh probably too much dairy. 01:28:22.880 --> 01:28:26.560 Like a lot of my my protein comes from dairy, but I tolerate it really, really well. 01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:28.239 So it doesn't, it doesn't bother me. 01:28:28.399 --> 01:28:30.319 I've, you know, I eat sourdough bread. 01:28:30.399 --> 01:28:32.560 Um, it's kind of what I get for carbs. 01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:34.479 Don't eat a lot of carbs otherwise. 01:28:34.560 --> 01:28:41.039 I mean, I'll eat some fruit, fruit and veggies, but like eating, you know, and so when I'm on the road now, it's like I'll eat, I go out to dinner, I get like a fillet. 01:28:41.119 --> 01:28:51.760 I get a fillet, I get a baked sweet potato, uh, I get some veggies, and you know, the prepping when you eat out, it's always hard because you know, at home you're not gonna prep it in all the oils and the sauces and the butters. 01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:58.800 That's harder, but like, you know, that's why I said the peptides help so much, like two milligrams of Retta, and it kind of offsets all your sins on the road. 01:28:59.119 --> 01:29:02.479 Your question, like, do you find something like vigorous Steve saying that? 01:29:02.640 --> 01:29:08.960 Yeah, do you find like being like uh in better shape has helped you like in business? 01:29:09.279 --> 01:29:09.760 Absolutely. 01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:27.920 So that's kind of my point is like the optimized vision for me was like building a business for me, like literally for people like me or people that want to be like you want to be the best you, and again, it wasn't all about business, but like look, 368 testosterone, yeah, you're dragging ass by three in the afternoon. 01:29:28.159 --> 01:29:30.960 Um, carrying extra body weight, you know. 01:29:31.039 --> 01:29:35.840 Again, you walk into a room, and you guys know this, like you guys all wear your baggy shit because you don't want to show off all the time. 01:29:35.920 --> 01:29:41.520 But like you walk into a room and you're like fit and people see you, like you command a different kind of attention. 01:29:41.680 --> 01:29:44.800 When you walk in, oh, I was on a Fox business show the other day. 01:29:44.880 --> 01:29:48.960 This guy, Charles Payne, he's a former athlete, he's awesome, dude. 01:29:49.039 --> 01:29:52.479 Like uh the first thing he walks in, he's like, dude, you're big, dude. 01:29:52.560 --> 01:29:53.760 He's like, How much you bench? 01:29:54.000 --> 01:29:56.560 And my point is like, he's the host of a business show on Fox. 01:29:56.640 --> 01:30:02.159 And the first thing he knows about me is like, I was wearing a nice suit with a fitted coat, and he's like, You look like you fucking work out, you know. 01:30:02.239 --> 01:30:07.439 Like, because it's you know, I always say, like, you can't buy this, I don't care. 01:30:07.600 --> 01:30:13.920 Like, and by the way, like, I feel small in this room, but like, in general speaking, most rooms I go in, I'm the fittest dude and I'm the strongest dude. 01:30:14.399 --> 01:30:15.840 19-inch biceps. 01:30:16.239 --> 01:30:18.319 Not bad for a yeah, an average Joe, right? 01:30:18.399 --> 01:30:20.079 I'm kidding, but 19. 01:30:20.399 --> 01:30:27.279 But like, but like, oh, and people take notice, they notice, and by the way, it says something about you. 01:30:27.439 --> 01:30:30.960 Like you'll see the jokes about like the bicep vein is the McLaren vein. 01:30:31.119 --> 01:30:34.720 Like, it's the one that like you show up and people just it says it's a statement, right? 01:30:34.880 --> 01:30:37.680 Okay, being lean is a statement, being strong is a statement. 01:30:37.840 --> 01:30:43.520 Like you walk in a room when someone's really fat and out of shape, you walk up and you're like, Why don't you take care of yourself? 01:30:43.760 --> 01:30:46.000 So I don't think all of us have to look like you guys, you know. 01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:53.039 But I'm saying, like, being fit and having good energy, it comes with confidence, it says something about your discipline. 01:30:53.119 --> 01:31:02.239 And I think people in your environment take notice of that, they want to be around people who take care of themselves, who are disciplined, who are after it and have the mission. 01:31:02.399 --> 01:31:05.520 So I think it absolutely long answer. 01:31:05.680 --> 01:31:07.279 No, like I could have just said yes. 01:31:07.439 --> 01:31:08.800 No, no, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:10.720 But there's a podcast, so I'm gonna give you the whole answer. 01:31:10.880 --> 01:31:14.880 Um, but I think that I think it genuinely changes the way people treat you. 01:31:15.039 --> 01:31:17.359 I think people treat people who are fit. 01:31:17.600 --> 01:31:22.239 It's it's it's like I said, it's the one trophy, and everyone understands how fucking hard it is. 01:31:22.479 --> 01:31:30.079 Like there's uh after 20, after 25, whatever it's like when you're young, you go all you go to these kids at the gym and they're jacked, and it's like you don't know shit. 01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:40.560 Have three kids, be running a dozen different companies, fucking, you know, have real stress, shit going on in your life, um, be on the road 45 weeks ago and have a six-pack. 01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:41.199 Good luck. 01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:48.399 Like, you know, they say it's more rare than being a like way more rare to be a millionaire than to have a you know six pack. 01:31:48.479 --> 01:31:51.520 So my point is like, yeah, I mean, it's the fucking shit. 01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:57.039 So, you know, I built I built business around it because I love it, passionate about it, I believe in it. 01:31:57.199 --> 01:32:16.079 But I believe outside of the fitness side of it, it's just cognitive energy, uh, like what you can bring to your life, to your family, to your connections by having a clearer head, by not, you know, feeling high energy, not

being sick, you know, and and peptides in the HRT are the tools. 01:32:16.159 --> 01:32:19.680 I mean, most people who are not well, it's gut and it's hormones. 01:32:19.920 --> 01:32:21.600 Do you guys do anything for gut health? 01:32:21.920 --> 01:32:24.560 KPV, BPC. 01:32:25.119 --> 01:32:25.760 That's about it. 01:32:25.840 --> 01:32:38.720 I mean, I've never had any issues with my gut though, too, because like I know a lot of bodybuilders do, and I think it's because they're so they eat the same things for like years on end, and like for me, I like to switch it up. 01:32:38.800 --> 01:32:42.079 So, like our last prep I did kangaroo, like my whole prep. 01:32:42.159 --> 01:32:43.439 You know, you ate kangaroo? 01:32:43.520 --> 01:32:43.840 Yeah, yeah. 01:32:44.079 --> 01:32:45.279 I was uh damn fantastic. 01:32:45.359 --> 01:32:45.840 Yeah, love it. 01:32:46.479 --> 01:32:47.199 Yeah, kangaroo. 01:32:47.279 --> 01:32:49.600 I had gator, I would be on the phone with my lady. 01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:52.079 Um I got this gator from the store. 01:32:52.319 --> 01:32:55.840 Yeah, so I did like all like gamey meat for a whole prep, and it was great. 01:32:56.079 --> 01:32:57.279 Kangaroos gamey. 01:32:57.600 --> 01:32:58.399 Well, I don't know. 01:32:58.720 --> 01:32:59.600 Those guys look tough, man. 01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:01.680 I see them boxing sometimes on Instagram. 01:33:01.840 --> 01:33:02.159 Yeah, yeah. 01:33:02.880 --> 01:33:04.720 You never seen kangaroos boxing on Instagram? 01:33:04.800 --> 01:33:05.199 It's awesome. 01:33:05.359 --> 01:33:06.560 I see them like getting ready. 01:33:06.720 --> 01:33:07.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:33:07.760 --> 01:33:10.399 I mean, they're fit, they look strong. 01:33:10.640 --> 01:33:12.000 Yeah, we should do what they do. 01:33:12.079 --> 01:33:12.800 I don't know what they do. 01:33:12.960 --> 01:33:15.279 I think the store is wild fork if y'all want to check it out. 01:33:15.359 --> 01:33:15.439 Okay. 01:33:17.199 --> 01:33:19.760 Fossil, fossil nails or something. 01:33:19.920 --> 01:33:20.159 Yeah. 01:33:20.319 --> 01:33:23.439 A few of you have asked where I get my formal grade Annivar and IGF 1. 01:33:23.520 --> 01:33:29.199 And of course, it's not through Vinny in the parking lot, it's optimized HP, prescribed and through a doctor. 01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:38.720 And the reason why I helped start this clinic instead of joining an established clinic like Merrick is because I wanted a real say in how our clients are taken care of. 01:33:39.359 --> 01:33:43.680 And the honest truth, it also helps me make a living. 01:33:43.760 --> 01:33:45.439 But I couldn't do it through selling snake oil. 01:33:45.680 --> 01:33:50.399 Here's the honest truth is in a sport where everybody takes it, it stops being cheating. 01:33:50.720 --> 01:33:51.840 The game just changes. 01:33:52.640 --> 01:33:54.800 Now instead, it's about who uses it smarter. 01:33:55.279 --> 01:33:57.680 But your health is part of the scoreboard. 01:33:57.920 --> 01:34:00.960 You know, we go back and forth between pharma versus the screen market here. 01:34:01.439 --> 01:34:05.199 And while it does help you travel, I really don't have the answer. 01:34:05.600 --> 01:34:06.399 That's your call. 01:34:06.960 --> 01:34:09.680 However, every bodybuilder should be getting quarterly blood work. 01:34:10.239 --> 01:34:11.359 Yes, even you. 01:34:11.680 --> 01:34:12.960 The guy who says he feels fine. 01:34:13.359 --> 01:34:14.800 So we built the membership around that. 01:34:15.119 --> 01:34:17.840 The bloods are free, and the membership is just what we call the discount. 01:34:18.079 --> 01:34:19.760 My accountant hates this next part. 01:34:20.079 --> 01:34:22.079 DMs are free always. 01:34:22.560 --> 01:34:23.760 Link is in the description. 01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:27.359 Sign up with code NILE, send me a DM on Instagram. 01:34:27.600 --> 01:34:28.720 I got you personally. 01:34:28.960 --> 01:34:30.720 Um, just just for some more information. 01:34:30.880 --> 01:34:31.680 So I don't I don't know. 01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:33.600 I I want to figure out any ways that we can help the audience. 01:34:33.680 --> 01:34:35.119 This is a plan I got from Allison Stout. 01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:37.439 So this is obviously tailored towards me. 01:34:37.600 --> 01:34:47.840 Uh, so it doesn't mean that it'll apply to everybody and their issues, but in order for us to kind of manage my gut issues and just make sure that my didn't really have any specific gut issues when we started this. 01:34:47.920 --> 01:34:52.560 So actually, more to more as a preventative measure to make sure my gut was good when I started going to the off-season. 01:34:52.800 --> 01:34:58.319 He has stuff in here such as um well, I'm just gonna list it and hopefully he's cool with this. 01:34:59.199 --> 01:35:01.039 Um giving the seekers out. 01:35:01.359 --> 01:35:03.439 Herb farm better bitters. 01:35:03.680 --> 01:35:06.319 So four sprays five to ten minutes before meals. 01:35:06.399 --> 01:35:13.199 We had a different type of bitters in um when I was in my cruise phase, my like health phase. 01:35:13.359 --> 01:35:17.279 Um, I'm trying to remember what it was called, but you you know like bitters, right? 01:35:17.359 --> 01:35:24.880 The fucking I've never I've literally never had any gut issues, so like I really like you just BPC and KPV. 01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:27.520 Yeah, oral BPC and oral KPV. 01:35:27.600 --> 01:35:29.680 I have that in in as well, which is fucking awesome. 01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:30.319 I love it. 01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:32.720 Um I've had oral TV before too. 01:35:32.800 --> 01:35:33.920 I'm trying to remember what else. 01:35:34.159 --> 01:35:39.840 And then he has uh pure factor digest factor and pure factor GI factor, three caps, paw wake before bed. 01:35:40.079 --> 01:35:48.319 Um, and then Swanson D uh sorry, Jero, Secaromyces, Bollardi, one cap per day with a meal. 01:35:48.479 --> 01:36:04.319

So these are basically like a different type of probiotic, and then the other type of probiotics, probiotics I consume in uh uh fermented foods, so like kimchi or um kimchi's fire, bro so far. 01:36:04.479 --> 01:36:06.239 Or sauerkraut, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:36:06.399 --> 01:36:12.880 Um pure factored titka, one cap with the first and last meal is obviously good for your helping you digest your fats, right? 01:36:13.039 --> 01:36:25.920 Some people in bodybuilding just take titka for their for their liver, but um and um and then there's some other things where it's like you want to make sure that you get some like butyrate sources in. 01:36:26.079 --> 01:36:39.199 So that's like grass-fed ghee and butter, which I think you were mentioning that you have some of um certain nuts like walnuts and macadamia nuts, you know, beta glucon fibers, and then all the other stuff is like pretty like standard that you would normally have, right? 01:36:39.279 --> 01:36:46.159 Like you want to make sure you have a healthy, a healthy, well-rounded diet with like olive like um healthy fats in it, right? 01:36:46.960 --> 01:36:51.439 Like you have your base fats from your meats, but then you want to have your your healthy fats that are added on to your diet. 01:36:51.760 --> 01:36:52.399 Yeah, yeah. 01:36:53.199 --> 01:36:55.680 I don't know what I do, but that's my that's my go-to fat. 01:36:56.079 --> 01:36:58.159 I have one last question I wanted to ask you, by the way, though. 01:36:58.239 --> 01:37:13.039 Um aside from the things that you said before, aside from the things that you said before about um how you ended up getting to where you are and build up these companies, and then also like you have to choose exactly where you're putting your energy and your time. 01:37:13.920 --> 01:37:26.159 What would you say are like the top two more things that were most important to you starting your first company and then continuing and create in creating these uh companies following? 01:37:26.640 --> 01:37:31.359 Two things, um you know, totally uh sort of visceral reaction to that. 01:37:31.439 --> 01:37:39.359 But like one is like focus, like being incredibly focused, at least for a sprint into what you're starting. 01:37:39.520 --> 01:37:41.840 Because like eventually you will find balance again. 01:37:41.920 --> 01:37:46.399 But like that you have and focus, by the way, is it's important like the people around you in your life understand what you're trying to do. 01:37:46.560 --> 01:37:49.039 Because like for a period of time, you will be very distracted. 01:37:49.439 --> 01:37:56.319 You will not give the attention to some of the things and maybe the people in your life that you had to give attention to because starting something is hard. 01:37:56.640 --> 01:38:09.760 So just you know, being really focused and communicative to the important people around you and having that support audience is really important too because it's super hard when you're working in like a conflict with someone, like you want to build something and they're like, go get a job. 01:38:09.840 --> 01:38:11.680 Like that just that doesn't work. 01:38:12.079 --> 01:38:19.920 Um second thing, and this is probably a bit more fun, but I don't think any successful entrepreneur doesn't have a little delusion. 01:38:20.239 --> 01:38:26.399 I know that sounds crazy, but you have to be a little bit delusional about your your vision, your dream, your aspiration, your goal, your target. 01:38:26.479 --> 01:38:27.840 Like I've heard this a lot recently. 01:38:27.920 --> 01:38:29.199 Yeah, which is a crazy coincidence. 01:38:29.520 --> 01:38:36.000 Like I just notice it like as a founder, like you know, my dad, like nobody believed in me. 01:38:36.239 --> 01:38:40.640 Like nobody in my life, except my wife, really believed I could do this. 01:38:40.960 --> 01:38:54.319 Um, you know, and so what we've accomplished was like I I I believed it, like, and and then you know, you start to kind of buy your own, you buy into your own success, not no, not in a arrogant or egotistical way. 01:38:54.479 --> 01:38:59.039 You just say, like, shit, I'm doing this, like I can do this, I can keep going, like I can build something bigger. 01:38:59.119 --> 01:39:02.560 And, you know, you know, so being a little bit delusional. 01:39:02.640 --> 01:39:09.680 And then maybe like as a bonus one as a third, because I kind of talked about like your your small failures, but like being okay to fail. 01:39:09.840 --> 01:39:18.319 Like, this is like a little bit of like a textbook thing, but like God, you have to, you cannot be afraid to fail in the process. 01:39:18.479 --> 01:39:22.319 Like every successful I, you know, I nearly went bankrupt in one venture. 01:39:22.479 --> 01:39:26.560 Uh, you know, like I said, I had my teenage, almost teenage pregnancy. 01:39:26.640 --> 01:39:29.199 Like, I've had some real shit that's happened. 01:39:29.279 --> 01:39:34.479 And by the way, I've been sued a bunch of times, like a lot of crazy shit has happened along the way. 01:39:34.800 --> 01:39:38.640 And, you know, some of them are like could be fatal if you are on the wrong side. 01:39:38.720 --> 01:39:43.920 So, like, you know, the three is like intense focus, be a little bit delusional, a little bit delusional. 01:39:44.000 --> 01:39:46.800 And that's why I'm saying I'm not giving you permission, like, don't be don't be an idiot. 01:39:46.880 --> 01:39:50.079 Just yeah, just believe in yourself a little bit more than anyone else does. 01:39:50.479 --> 01:39:54.159 And then, you know, like I said, don't fear shit's gonna happen. 01:39:54.239 --> 01:40:06.000 And by the way, more successful you get, the more like like you guys, the we talked started talking about the comments, like people are in the comments, like that comment I made, you know, uh about Tom Holland. 01:40:06.079 --> 01:40:09.119 It's like they're in the comments because you know, they're nobody. 01:40:09.279

--> 01:40:12.000 Like, people do not hate down, people hate up. 01:40:12.479 --> 01:40:13.039 Just know that. 01:40:13.119 --> 01:40:20.479 Like, you will have haters, and the haters, as you succeed, uh, you don't have to have ever hurt them, offended them, said anything, or even met them. 01:40:20.640 --> 01:40:25.680 And people will, and you just have to be like you know, skin on like the failure and that stuff. 01:40:25.840 --> 01:40:26.960 So I guess I go into four. 01:40:27.039 --> 01:40:29.760 You know, if you can let me keep talking, I'll hit five, six, seven, and eight. 01:40:29.920 --> 01:40:35.520 So there's so many things that like make up being successful, like being here. 01:40:35.600 --> 01:40:37.199 And I mean, we need all of them, bro. 01:40:37.359 --> 01:40:38.560 I know, but I give you four. 01:40:38.800 --> 01:40:39.600 There's four. 01:40:39.840 --> 01:40:40.079 Okay. 01:40:40.479 --> 01:40:44.319 I mean, there's so many more, but like, you know, subscribe to my I'm just kidding. 01:40:44.479 --> 01:40:45.920 I'm just subscribed to my substack. 01:40:46.159 --> 01:40:48.880 Subscribe to my substack for$99 a month. 01:40:48.960 --> 01:40:49.439 I'll tell you more. 01:40:49.600 --> 01:40:50.079 I'm kidding. 01:40:50.159 --> 01:40:50.560 I'm kidding. 01:40:50.640 --> 01:40:50.960 I'm kidding. 01:40:51.199 --> 01:41:01.920 Did you um did you like uh like when you like what how did you come up with the idea for your first company for or for future room? 01:41:02.159 --> 01:41:09.039 Oh, the the company that kind of preceded it was a just a consulting business, which is the way a lot of people start in their own business. 01:41:09.279 --> 01:41:26.159 It was like uh I was between deciding whether I'd go back to work for somebody else or work for myself, and it was kind of looking at my network, uh looking at how I could help people, what I could potentially help them, just product market fit, like which is like kind of figuring out like the things I the services I knew or the things I understood to help businesses, you know. 01:41:26.319 --> 01:41:31.039 Um, and I had a built a really great network from being an employee and being an executive. 01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:35.359 You know, I I became a CEO of someone else's company for the first time when I was 28 years old. 01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:36.000 Oh wow. 01:41:36.159 --> 01:41:37.840 And so I had built a really great network. 01:41:37.920 --> 01:41:43.520 I was sat on some different boards and I was in the community, and I got to meet a lot of other CEOs and executives. 01:41:43.600 --> 01:41:44.960 So like I had a Rolodex. 01:41:45.520 --> 01:41:50.000 So it was just basically like, do I want to build it again for someone else or do I want to build for myself? 01:41:50.159 --> 01:41:51.600 Yeah, you know what's crazy? 01:41:51.760 --> 01:41:55.279 Like, um there's this book, it's been a while. 01:41:55.439 --> 01:42:02.159 Um, I forget this name, but it's called Outliers, and it

speaks about like how like positive and negative things impact people. 01:42:02.239 --> 01:42:13.039 And like I know you you say like the teen pregnancy is a failure, but like the way a lot of people would see that is that was a catalyst for you to really focus in on what you need to do because like, oh shit, I got a kid. 01:42:13.199 --> 01:42:15.760 No, I need I need to I need to provide, right? 01:42:15.840 --> 01:42:17.039 So like that pressure. 01:42:17.199 --> 01:42:23.279 So I said like it started a little bit more out of insecurity and and necessity, like the mother of all invention, necessity. 01:42:23.520 --> 01:42:31.119 But like as I got older, I realized like I talk about the failure really openly because it really isn't a failure, but it was at the time it felt like a failure. 01:42:31.279 --> 01:42:42.880 What it really was was a it was an inflection, it was a it was an opportunity, it was a it was, you know, if you believe in the higher spirit, maybe it was God's intervention in terms of determining my fate, but like it got me on the right track. 01:42:43.039 --> 01:43:01.119 And you know, like I said, I look at my level of success versus almost everybody I came up with, and you know, all of them, none of them had that happen to them, but I would say at this point, at least on a metric level, again, I told you guys like money is not everything, but on a metric level, I've you know, I've definitely done better. 01:43:01.600 --> 01:43:13.520 Um you know, but again, that isn't it's not everything, which I I think I'd be cooler if I said it was, just pictures of like Lambos and cool shit on Instagram. 01:43:13.840 --> 01:43:17.199 It's so superficial, such nonsense. 01:43:17.439 --> 01:43:18.560 But people love that shit. 01:43:18.640 --> 01:43:23.039 I I I I see these like guys on you know doing videos on Insta on their clients. 01:43:23.520 --> 01:43:25.039 You don't got all your cars on Instagram, bro. 01:43:25.199 --> 01:43:32.720 I don't have anything, nobody, no, nobody has like nobody knows what I do or don't have, and I I like it that way. 01:43:32.880 --> 01:43:34.159 Yeah, yeah. 01:43:34.399 --> 01:43:38.159 I have they know I have a family, they know I have my business, but they don't know. 01:43:39.039 --> 01:43:40.319 And I don't want them to know. 01:43:40.399 --> 01:43:45.119 So I realize it could be a shortcut to getting more followers, but I don't know that I want those kinds of followers. 01:43:45.439 --> 01:43:47.199 Nobody knows what I nobody knows. 01:43:47.600 --> 01:43:50.399 I want to follow me for my the guns, yeah. 01:43:50.640 --> 01:43:52.319 I want to be like Terrence over here, man. 01:43:52.880 --> 01:43:54.560 Nobody knows what I have because I don't have much. 01:43:56.159 --> 01:43:57.119 Whatever. 01:43:57.840 --> 01:44:00.079 You are doing y'all are doing great. 01:44:00.720 --> 01:44:01.760 No, it's a good life, man. 01:44:01.840 --> 01:44:03.600 I'm very I'm very grateful to be here for sure. 01:44:03.760 --> 01:44:05.680 And I gotta talk to you, people like you guys. 01:44:05.840 --> 01:44:10.479 So people that have uh a lot of advice, and I think um I could take some mentorship. 01:44:10.640 --> 01:44:12.319 I'm glad I could put you guys on the payroll. 01:44:12.479 --> 01:44:13.359 Yeah, yeah. 01:44:13.600 --> 01:44:13.840 Yeah. 01:44:14.079 --> 01:44:18.079 I mean, somehow indirectly I've had an influence on your life. 01:44:18.560 --> 01:44:20.000 It makes me happy. 01:44:21.359 --> 01:44:27.199 Uh specifically for rough, uh Selk Aesthetics says, is there an anime that exudes the themes in your posing routine? 01:44:27.520 --> 01:44:31.279 Or many that I feel like you get the question all that. 01:44:31.600 --> 01:44:37.359 No, that's a weird really I think that's a um he's not understanding how I come over with my routine. 01:44:37.439 --> 01:44:42.239 So like they like my routines are based and like based on the song itself. 01:44:42.319 --> 01:44:47.920 So like when I hear a song, that's that would it what that's what influences like the movements and the poses that I do. 01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:55.039 I don't have like a routine picked out first and then pick a pick a song, you know. 01:44:55.279 --> 01:44:59.039 But do you have any like animes that inspire the poses that you do in the songs? 01:44:59.439 --> 01:45:08.960 You've I know most of the time it's another no, like uh a lot of stuff that like I can't think of any at the off the top of my head. 01:45:09.199 --> 01:45:13.119 I think maybe for one routine I did something like that would have been in Naruto. 01:45:13.359 --> 01:45:13.439 Okay. 01:45:13.760 --> 01:45:25.680 But for the most part, like what inspires the poses a lot of times are like more abstract things, like just like movements in water, or even like oh, maybe dance dance. 01:45:26.159 --> 01:45:31.600 Um I can't think of that style of dance right now, but uh there's a particular type of dance. 01:45:31.920 --> 01:45:33.520 It's like contemporary, there it is. 01:45:33.840 --> 01:45:37.920 Contemporary dance is has influenced me a lot with stuff like that. 01:45:38.079 --> 01:45:38.640 Yeah. 01:45:38.880 --> 01:45:39.840 Yeah, that makes sense. 01:45:40.079 --> 01:45:40.479 Me too. 01:45:40.720 --> 01:45:43.600 I'm just gonna start with the the the uh the Naruto run for my next posing. 01:45:43.920 --> 01:45:44.560 Oh go for it. 01:45:44.720 --> 01:45:46.159 You'll get a lot of entry that way. 01:45:46.239 --> 01:45:47.119 I'm just trying to do it. 01:45:47.199 --> 01:45:48.720 Yeah, a lot of tension. 01:45:50.399 --> 01:45:58.720 Like the the kids that you had in like your um you know, like your your fifth grade class or whatever when we're on the playground and we're just doing the Naruto run across the playground. 01:45:59.039 --> 01:46:02.079 By the way, here's the before and after. 01:46:02.800 --> 01:46:05.840 Oh no Oh my god, yeah, you look a whole different dude. 01:46:06.079 --> 01:46:08.960 Wait,

can we show that to uh can we show that to that camera? 01:46:09.119 --> 01:46:09.199 Yeah. 01:46:09.279 --> 01:46:09.840 Is that possible? 01:46:10.159 --> 01:46:10.720 Do you want me to? 01:46:10.880 --> 01:46:11.840 Yeah, yeah, fuck you. 01:46:12.319 --> 01:46:14.479 Are you sure it sends the right message? 01:46:21.279 --> 01:46:22.720 That was that was the before and after. 01:46:23.439 --> 01:46:24.479 Wait, what? 01:46:26.239 --> 01:46:27.359 Yeah, I'm not joking. 01:46:27.840 --> 01:46:28.960 Holy shit, dude. 01:46:29.039 --> 01:46:29.840 That's that is you. 01:46:30.640 --> 01:46:31.119 That's me. 01:46:31.359 --> 01:46:31.760 What? 01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:33.600 That was 18 months. 01:46:33.840 --> 01:46:37.039 You don't miss the um the gulti? 01:46:38.239 --> 01:46:39.600 Dude, that's wild. 01:46:40.720 --> 01:46:41.279 That's wild. 01:46:41.760 --> 01:46:42.720 I can grow that back and look at it. 01:46:42.960 --> 01:46:43.920 Can you send me that? 01:46:44.800 --> 01:46:46.640 Gonna mean feed post that on my Instagram. 01:46:46.800 --> 01:46:54.560 Oscar Bow Duin asks, what which will be the best advice to develop your own brand in the bodybuilding industry for both of you or fitness industry? 01:46:54.800 --> 01:46:56.479 I'd just say personal for me, you know. 01:46:56.720 --> 01:46:57.920 I don't know, I don't think it matters. 01:46:58.159 --> 01:47:04.720 You know, it's um it's been interesting because that's what I've been focusing on a lot because that's what I feel like that I've been lacking. 01:47:04.960 --> 01:47:08.319 Um, and I actually had a chance to talk with Caleb Rowl Stanley. 01:47:08.560 --> 01:47:14.880 Um he did the social media for Alex Hermozzi and Gary V for a while. 01:47:15.520 --> 01:47:17.439 But he got his start in bodybuilding. 01:47:17.520 --> 01:47:20.960 I didn't know that he started with Flex Lewis and uh Neil Hill back in the day. 01:47:21.279 --> 01:47:23.920 In the way, yeah, it's crazy, it's crazy. 01:47:24.159 --> 01:47:35.199 And basically, man, like if the simplest way like he explained it to me was like your personal brand is just who you who you're continuously associating yourself, associating yourself with. 01:47:35.439 --> 01:47:40.479 So the more like say, for instance, like Gary V is known for like hustle, hustle, hustle. 01:47:40.560 --> 01:47:41.119 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:47:41.199 --> 01:47:50.800 The more you say like it's almost like you just have to say the same thing a ridiculous amount of times and be around the same types of people like an untold amount of times, right? 01:47:51.199 --> 01:47:55.439 And I've now realize like that's why I struggle because I hate saying the same thing more than once. 01:47:55.520 --> 01:47:56.720 You could ask my girlfriend. 01:47:57.119 --> 01:48:00.800 I like that like you already said that to you one time, like you should know it by now. 01:48:04.560 --> 01:48:08.159 So you know you know, so yeah, you have to repeat things to him. 01:48:08.960 --> 01:48:09.920 Oh my god. 01:48:10.319 --> 01:48:13.760 No, so so turns his girlfriend here, by the way. 01:48:15.439 --> 01:48:16.960 I totally power repeating. 01:48:17.199 --> 01:48:18.479 No, so yeah. 01:48:18.720 --> 01:48:19.760 So that's what it is. 01:48:19.840 --> 01:48:26.800 It's like you like you'll get tired of hearing it um, you know, come out of your mouth, but yeah, really that's the main thing. 01:48:27.039 --> 01:48:33.039 Uh outside of that, man, I that would that would be probably the biggest thing personal brand wise, and just figuring out what you want. 01:48:33.119 --> 01:48:35.439 Like, I have a tattooed on me, remember your eye. 01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:37.760 Like, what do you want to be known for? 01:48:37.920 --> 01:48:39.600 What do you want out of the the industry? 01:48:39.680 --> 01:48:40.560 What do you want to be? 01:48:40.640 --> 01:48:41.680 You know, yeah, yeah. 01:48:43.760 --> 01:48:45.279 I think consistency. 01:48:45.520 --> 01:48:48.239 I think like showing up is like one of the biggest things. 01:48:48.319 --> 01:48:50.880 And then what do you offer that's like unique? 01:48:51.119 --> 01:48:51.840 I mean, that's the second thing. 01:48:52.880 --> 01:48:53.520 What do you have? 01:48:53.680 --> 01:48:57.920 Like, because so many people are out there saying stuff now. 01:48:58.319 --> 01:49:04.479 So, but again, I think you can actually make up for not having a lot of unique by showing up and being consistent. 01:49:04.640 --> 01:49:10.239 Like, you can build a social following if you're just super active and build, but like I don't know. 01:49:10.399 --> 01:49:15.439 That I like his thing though, like remember why you're doing it though, too. 01:49:15.520 --> 01:49:20.800 Because I I think there's a lot of people are I don't know what they're doing and why they're doing it, they're just there. 01:49:21.520 --> 01:49:22.640 It's noisy. 01:49:23.439 --> 01:49:24.399 Yeah, cool. 01:49:24.640 --> 01:49:27.840 Deals by Daytona asks favorite PD for growth besides test. 01:49:29.279 --> 01:49:30.159 Yeah, I don't know, dude. 01:49:30.319 --> 01:49:38.159 Like, there's like I feel like most I mean, like if they listen to your podcast, I feel like most people do the same thing, test the master on or prime primo, yeah, like the main things. 01:49:38.479 --> 01:49:39.600 IGF 1 LR3. 01:49:40.640 --> 01:49:41.920 I can't believe that helped you that much. 01:49:42.000 --> 01:49:42.640 That's crazy, bro. 01:49:42.720 --> 01:49:47.520 Like, I'm I'm people know I'm a proponent of IGF one, and still I want to be a skeptic, you know. 01:49:47.680 --> 01:49:49.119 I want to be a skeptic for most things, though. 01:49:49.279 --> 01:49:52.479 You should have seen me on the influenc hammers pulling six plates aside. 01:49:52.560 --> 01:49:53.760 I was so strong. 01:49:54.399 --> 01:49:56.399 So you're telling me it wasn't just my training. 01:49:56.560 --> 01:49:58.800 Yeah, when my legs blew up, yeah. 01:49:59.199 -->

01:49:59.760 Telling you like. 01:50:00.560 --> 01:50:02.239 I blew up when I was on that shit. 01:50:02.479 --> 01:50:03.359 I got scared. 01:50:03.439 --> 01:50:06.479 Like I got off it because I was like, I'm going too much too fast. 01:50:06.640 --> 01:50:06.800 Right. 01:50:06.880 --> 01:50:09.840 It's like, man, you need to do some cancer screenings or some shit. 01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:10.239 Yeah. 01:50:10.399 --> 01:50:11.359 So far, so good. 01:50:11.439 --> 01:50:12.319 But yeah. 01:50:12.880 --> 01:50:13.520 Fire. 01:50:13.680 --> 01:50:15.119 I got some IGF 1 waiting for me. 01:50:16.560 --> 01:50:17.840 I'll cycle it on with you. 01:50:17.920 --> 01:50:18.560 I'll get back on. 01:50:18.800 --> 01:50:20.319 I can still say I'm natty then. 01:50:20.560 --> 01:50:21.119 There you go. 01:50:21.359 --> 01:50:23.119 Have you ever used IGF 1 or no? 01:50:23.359 --> 01:50:24.159 No, I haven't. 01:50:24.239 --> 01:50:28.079 I I really remember I reached out to you about it after I heard you talk about it on the podcast. 01:50:28.319 --> 01:50:28.399 Oh. 01:50:28.560 --> 01:50:28.880 Yeah, yeah. 01:50:29.199 --> 01:50:29.920 But I haven't taken it yet. 01:50:30.079 --> 01:50:30.479 There you go. 01:50:30.560 --> 01:50:31.279 Marketing at work. 01:50:31.439 --> 01:50:32.399 You only had to say it once. 01:50:32.560 --> 01:50:32.720 Yep. 01:50:32.800 --> 01:50:34.560 It's like a red in your rectors. 01:50:35.359 --> 01:50:35.760 Yup. 01:50:36.319 --> 01:50:37.920 I'm trying to figure out how to grow my quads. 01:50:38.079 --> 01:50:40.159 So I'm gonna start injecting it right there. 01:50:41.600 --> 01:50:44.079 My quads don't keep up for whatever reason. 01:50:44.560 --> 01:50:45.119 Yeah, my quads. 01:50:45.359 --> 01:50:47.920 25 years of playing soccer, my central nervous system shot. 01:50:48.000 --> 01:50:50.720 I'm pumping tons of weight on the legs and they just don't grow. 01:50:51.279 --> 01:50:52.560 Not like my upper death. 01:50:52.800 --> 01:50:53.680 I'm the opposite. 01:50:53.920 --> 01:50:55.039 Your legs just blow up. 01:50:55.119 --> 01:50:55.199 Yeah. 01:50:55.520 --> 01:50:56.159 That's nice. 01:50:56.800 --> 01:50:58.000 Makes you more 3D. 01:50:58.159 --> 01:50:58.880 More more. 01:51:00.640 --> 01:51:04.640 Both of you guys, AG BangoFit asks, final goal of bodybuilding or entrepreneurship? 01:51:04.800 --> 01:51:06.000 Either or both. 01:51:07.199 --> 01:51:08.800 Final goal of bodybuilding. 01:51:08.880 --> 01:51:10.239 I would love to win the Olympia. 01:51:10.479 --> 01:51:12.399 Like um, I'm 32. 01:51:12.560 --> 01:51:22.800 I feel like and I would love to also have the most I like it's funny, dude, because like Dexter Jackson was like my entry into bodybuilding, and I like I kind of want the same career. 01:51:22.880 --> 01:51:28.640 Yeah, like I would love to have the most wins in classic for like as long as I can, and I would love to win the Mr. 01:51:28.800 --> 01:51:29.119 Olympia. 01:51:29.199 --> 01:51:32.319 I

don't care about if I can win multiple, then you know that's great. 01:51:32.479 --> 01:51:37.439 But um obviously like bodybuilding pays a toll takes a toll on your body. 01:51:37.520 --> 01:51:40.640 And you know, um, I'm a big fan of strongman. 01:51:40.720 --> 01:51:42.640 That's like the only sport I keep up with. 01:51:43.119 --> 01:51:48.640 And yeah, and uh Eddie Hall, I think, did a really cool, like a really he did a really cool way. 01:51:48.720 --> 01:51:50.239 He won one and retired, you know? 01:51:50.399 --> 01:51:50.640 Yep. 01:51:50.800 --> 01:51:54.880 And now he he's healthier and he's still making you know lots of money. 01:51:54.960 --> 01:51:56.800 He's just you know, it's really cool. 01:51:56.960 --> 01:52:02.319 Um outside of that, I've always worked I worked for myself uh for the majority of my life. 01:52:02.479 --> 01:52:06.319 The only time I had a somewhat normal job was in the in the Air Force. 01:52:06.479 --> 01:52:08.319 And uh, you know, I it was odd. 01:52:08.399 --> 01:52:09.600 I couldn't get a job in high school. 01:52:09.680 --> 01:52:14.079 I applied and I just ended up like selling belt buckles and different things like that. 01:52:14.239 --> 01:52:20.560 I uh used to sell catfish, and the catfish I didn't sell, we were fried up and then sell that, you know. 01:52:20.800 --> 01:52:24.640 So um, yeah, I just want to be like this guy, have businesses, man. 01:52:24.720 --> 01:52:26.479 I think I enjoy it, I really do. 01:52:26.640 --> 01:52:32.319 Like, I I I didn't realize this, but my girlfriend thinks I have like ADD or something, I get hyper fixated on stuff. 01:52:32.640 --> 01:52:33.359 I know we do. 01:52:33.520 --> 01:52:35.760 So like uh it's like really, really fun. 01:52:36.079 --> 01:52:38.479 Oh, there's Silank and Simex help with the ADD. 01:52:38.880 --> 01:52:39.520 Oh, does it really? 01:52:39.680 --> 01:52:41.119 Yeah, because I need ADD. 01:52:41.279 --> 01:52:42.800 I'm fucked because nothing helps me, dude. 01:52:43.760 --> 01:52:44.399 I can't sit still. 01:52:44.479 --> 01:52:47.760 I mean, you notice I'm like, get me the fuck out of here. 01:52:51.439 --> 01:52:52.239 Fuck you too, dude. 01:52:52.399 --> 01:52:55.680 Oh, entrepreneurship, the ultimate goal is uh is I don't know. 01:52:55.760 --> 01:53:07.520 I I I think though the what's awesome about it is there is no end game, just build, you know, because even when you're done, you sell something like I've sold companies or sold positioning companies, and then you make a bunch of money and just figure out what the next thing. 01:53:07.680 --> 01:53:12.800 It's like it's the journey, it's actually like somehow it's integrating the journey with the journey, and I love that. 01:53:13.199 --> 01:53:17.199 Isn't that the philosophy of uh Sisyphus rolling the ball up the uh the hill? 01:53:17.359 --> 01:53:22.560 Is like learning to actually just appreciate that the fucking rough, the fucking grind. 01:53:22.800 --> 01:53:28.800 Yeah, but I mean I get up every day like I'm excited like on Sunday, I'm excited about Monday, but I'm working on Sunday too. 01:53:28.960 --> 01:53:34.720 Like I'm thinking about it, and it's not like I said, it's thinking about the build, it's building something. 01:53:34.880 --> 01:53:40.560 Like I said, it's in the beginning, it's always about the money, but in the end, it's it's almost always about what you're building. 01:53:41.199 --> 01:53:43.359 Just being so excited about building something. 01:53:44.399 --> 01:53:45.760 This is a great question. 01:53:45.920 --> 01:53:49.680 Anthony Brownlift asks, do they abstain sexually during comp? 01:53:50.079 --> 01:53:50.399 Comp. 01:53:50.640 --> 01:53:50.960 What is it? 01:53:51.039 --> 01:53:51.439 What is it? 01:53:51.600 --> 01:53:54.000 Do they abstain sexually during comp oh competition? 01:53:55.760 --> 01:53:56.399 Not at all. 01:53:56.960 --> 01:54:02.000 It's more awkward with the girlfriend here, but no, yeah. 01:54:02.239 --> 01:54:03.119 Yeah, no. 01:54:04.159 --> 01:54:07.359 I feel like I feel like at least she's most important. 01:54:14.000 --> 01:54:16.000 I feel like it's most important the day before the show. 01:54:16.159 --> 01:54:20.800 No, day before the show, probably that, but like le like maybe like a couple of days before, yeah, yeah. 01:54:20.960 --> 01:54:24.319 By the way, before anything you need to be like just locked in for. 01:54:24.399 --> 01:54:25.520 Yeah, it's kind of a thing. 01:54:25.840 --> 01:54:29.199 I did it before soccer games, like or you know, it's like the night before you didn't. 01:54:29.520 --> 01:54:30.640 We were talking about the opposite. 01:54:30.800 --> 01:54:36.319 Someone was telling me on the show, like, yeah, if I can just boil out the night before the show, and the water just comes off, bro. 01:54:36.479 --> 01:54:37.680 Imagine the stress relief. 01:54:38.000 --> 01:54:38.399 I don't know. 01:54:38.560 --> 01:54:38.960 I don't know. 01:54:39.039 --> 01:54:42.880 I like to be tense and wound up because I played. 01:54:45.119 --> 01:54:45.439 Okay. 01:54:48.800 --> 01:54:50.960 Now we're the now it's the transparent podcast. 01:54:52.479 --> 01:54:52.640 Yeah. 01:54:52.960 --> 01:54:53.680 Everything's out. 01:54:53.840 --> 01:54:54.960 This is like Rogan. 01:54:55.199 --> 01:54:55.680 We go. 01:54:56.000 --> 01:54:56.880 You already answered this. 01:54:56.960 --> 01:55:01.359 Bissell 23 asks, do you do you guys do you use any peptides during prep? 01:55:01.680 --> 01:55:06.640 The main peptides I use is like the SLU Matsy, uh BPC. 01:55:06.880 --> 01:55:07.600 BPC. 01:55:07.680 --> 01:55:08.239 I yeah. 01:55:08.399 --> 01:55:11.760 And uh this year I did, like I said, the NAD and the glutathione. 01:55:13.039 --> 01:55:13.760 Actually, it was aren't really true. 01:55:15.439 --> 01:55:16.880 They're not actually peptides, by the way. 01:55:17.039 --> 01:55:17.520 Oh my bad. 01:55:17.680 --> 01:55:20.800 No, I'm only saying that for

because like someone will ultimately correct us. 01:55:20.960 --> 01:55:21.279 What is it? 01:55:21.520 --> 01:55:21.920 NAD. 01:55:22.000 --> 01:55:22.960 It's not it's not a peptide. 01:55:23.119 --> 01:55:24.960 But glutathione is I don't know. 01:55:25.039 --> 01:55:25.600 I don't think so. 01:55:25.760 --> 01:55:27.279 But no NAD is not. 01:55:27.840 --> 01:55:28.800 Okay, yeah. 01:55:29.039 --> 01:55:36.880 By the way, that's just more of like uh an interesting factoid because the people kind of conflate all of the HRT and the peptides into kind of one big thing. 01:55:37.039 --> 01:55:37.439 Yeah. 01:55:37.680 --> 01:55:40.239 Some of them are peptides, some of them are not. 01:55:40.560 --> 01:55:40.880 Yeah. 01:55:41.199 --> 01:55:42.560 But NAD is the shit. 01:55:42.640 --> 01:55:44.319 Like the point is you need to be on that stuff. 01:55:44.479 --> 01:55:45.680 By the way, tadalafil. 01:55:46.319 --> 01:55:47.520 That's the best one, I think. 01:55:48.079 --> 01:55:48.640 Epic. 01:55:48.800 --> 01:55:49.600 You don't take that? 01:55:49.920 --> 01:55:50.800 No, I didn't realize I was. 01:55:50.960 --> 01:55:52.000 I mean, yeah, it's not a peptide. 01:55:52.079 --> 01:55:53.039 Yeah, I didn't realize it was a peptide. 01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:53.680 It's not a peptide. 01:55:53.760 --> 01:55:54.239 Oh, okay, okay. 01:55:54.399 --> 01:55:56.319 But it's an epic epic part of the pump, man. 01:55:56.560 --> 01:55:59.119 Okay, talk about talk about keeping the blood flow. 01:55:59.279 --> 01:55:59.520 Yeah. 01:56:00.079 --> 01:56:01.279 It's nothing to do with the sex part. 01:56:01.520 --> 01:56:04.960 I've asked this to some friends before, um, just because it's kind of fun. 01:56:05.199 --> 01:56:11.760 If you guys could be, if you guys could only be on three compounds for the rest of your entire life, anything, three of anything, what would it be? 01:56:13.359 --> 01:56:16.159 Probably test it would be number one. 01:56:16.239 --> 01:56:18.960 I really like SLU, like I'm like really efficient. 01:56:19.119 --> 01:56:22.319 Like, I don't like uh skip your cardio, just take slow. 01:56:22.479 --> 01:56:25.039 Yeah, but I get like energy and focus. 01:56:25.119 --> 01:56:31.439 Like, I don't get tired when I take it, which I don't know if that's normal, but I need to get back on that shit. 01:56:31.680 --> 01:56:35.359 And then do you do the SLU 9 or the SLU 3? 01:56:35.520 --> 01:56:36.479 SLU 32 or 930. 01:56:36.640 --> 01:56:41.119 332 because there's a new one that's supposed to be like better bioavailability and pills. 01:56:41.359 --> 01:56:41.520 Okay. 01:56:42.000 --> 01:56:44.319 No, I feel I like great. 01:56:44.399 --> 01:56:48.560 And like to the point where like I'm like uh I don't sleep a lot. 01:56:48.800 --> 01:56:50.560 So test flu and what's what's three? 01:56:50.640 --> 01:56:51.600 I don't know what three would be. 01:56:51.680 --> 01:56:55.039 I'm like, I'm kinda like those are the like the the big, big ones I would imagine. 01:56:55.119 --> 01:56:56.800 If I had to glutathione, I mean wouldn't it? 01:56:56.880 --> 01:56:58.560 I guess so, yeah, stay healthy, yeah, for sure. 01:56:58.640 --> 01:57:06.399 Yeah, I'm kind of thinking, but I'm not even on tests, but I'm thinking if I had to get rid of everything else, I'd probably take tests because no, I'm being sincere. 01:57:06.479 --> 01:57:12.479 Like because it's getting my tests right, like doing with enclo, but like having tests steady and having steady. 01:57:12.800 --> 01:57:14.159 I'm just laughing because test is the best. 01:57:14.399 --> 01:57:16.319 I I I think so, probably. 01:57:16.479 --> 01:57:18.079 I think a low dose of Retta. 01:57:18.399 --> 01:57:25.680 I think Retta absolutely my blood work is amazing, and it was fucking shit when I started the before picture. 01:57:25.840 --> 01:57:31.600 I was blood pressure, cholesterol, triglycerides, liver, all of it was crap. 01:57:31.760 --> 01:57:34.159 And by the way, I wasn't even running anything, I was just fat. 01:57:35.840 --> 01:57:43.279 And so, like, you know, I think low dose of Retta, though, it totally cleaned all the blood markers up. 01:57:43.359 --> 01:57:48.479 I mean, I'll probably all the other stuff I was doing helped, but like that was that like everything got good. 01:57:48.800 --> 01:57:53.760 Um, but now I'd probably vacillate between NAD or glutathione because NAD is great too. 01:57:53.840 --> 01:57:56.720 Like just that fire, okay. 01:57:57.039 --> 01:57:57.520 Feel good, yeah. 01:57:57.760 --> 01:57:58.560 Feel good sauce. 01:57:59.119 --> 01:58:00.880 I like Semax a lot too, though. 01:58:01.600 --> 01:58:03.359 I got the nasal Selenc Semax. 01:58:03.520 --> 01:58:05.359 Yeah, I don't think I'd go to three though, just being honest. 01:58:05.439 --> 01:58:06.479 I'm glad I don't have to. 01:58:07.439 --> 01:58:07.840 To three? 01:58:08.079 --> 01:58:09.199 I'm glad you said three. 01:58:09.920 --> 01:58:10.319 Pick three. 01:58:11.439 --> 01:58:13.439 Oh now, stay with us, man. 01:58:13.520 --> 01:58:14.479 It was your question. 01:58:16.399 --> 01:58:17.520 You said pick three. 01:58:17.760 --> 01:58:17.920 Yeah. 01:58:18.079 --> 01:58:19.439 I'm on to five now. 01:58:19.760 --> 01:58:20.720 Let's keep going. 01:58:21.199 --> 01:58:22.239 Yeah, yeah, that's true. 01:58:22.319 --> 01:58:22.640 That's true. 01:58:22.800 --> 01:58:24.960 Um, yeah, mine would be Tess, ACG, and Cialis. 01:58:26.800 --> 01:58:28.000 How did I leave Cialis out? 01:58:28.239 --> 01:58:29.520 C Alice is very cool. 01:58:30.319 --> 01:58:31.199 C six. 01:58:32.880 --> 01:58:33.920 I'm on to six. 01:58:34.399 --> 01:58:36.079 You're not really good at these, though. 01:58:37.600 --> 01:58:38.640 It's entertaining. 01:58:39.279 --> 01:58:44.479 Sean France asks, what what are the best memories you guys have from your early gym days? 01:58:44.720 --> 01:58:48.399 Um, the coolest time, like the maybe two or three. 01:58:48.479 --> 01:58:54.880 The

the one of the coolest times was like when I first got into bodybuilding, like just lifting, like after I fell out of the special forces. 01:58:55.279 --> 01:58:59.840 I was training in that condemned, condemned uh apartment comp or dorm room. 01:59:00.079 --> 01:59:02.960 And it was just like I just turned the music up, trained, you know. 01:59:03.119 --> 01:59:04.079 I wasn't doing anything. 01:59:04.159 --> 01:59:07.439 There was no, you know, I was 18 at the point. 01:59:07.520 --> 01:59:08.880 At that point, there was like nothing going on. 01:59:08.960 --> 01:59:10.560 I just lift it, you know. 01:59:10.960 --> 01:59:14.479 Um, one of the other best times was my times training with Joe. 01:59:14.560 --> 01:59:22.560 You know, um, I trained with him for like five years straight in Tampa, and it was like me and him five days a week for like two, three hours a day. 01:59:22.720 --> 01:59:25.359 Like I saw him more than anybody else in my life, right? 01:59:25.520 --> 01:59:27.840 And it was cool too because he was like 10 years older than me. 01:59:27.920 --> 01:59:30.399 So it was like I learned a lot. 01:59:30.479 --> 01:59:34.239 You know, obviously he was helping me grow and do bodybuilding, but I also learned a lot. 01:59:34.319 --> 01:59:37.760 Like, he's an amazing husband, amazing father. 01:59:37.920 --> 01:59:42.560 Like, dude would literally like leave a session occasionally, like if his wife needed help with the kids. 01:59:42.880 --> 01:59:49.359 Like, you know, so learning what like was really, really valuable was really cool during that time period. 01:59:49.760 --> 01:59:50.560 Uh, for sure. 01:59:50.720 --> 01:59:52.159 Yeah, I'll say those two. 01:59:52.560 --> 02:00:04.960 Probably between my junior and senior in high school, when I really discovered like weight training, you know, I was like trying to get to play college ball, soccer, not football, but like I was always a little bigger, always carried a little more weight. 02:00:05.039 --> 02:00:20.319 You saw that in my before-after, like my natural build versus you know, and I really let myself get locked in, started training with a lot of the football players, learned all the compounds, got into like competing with myself, and like I think I was benching on I got to like almost 300 pounds heading in my senior year. 02:00:20.399 --> 02:00:23.920 I was like 180 playing, you know, 5'11, 180 playing soccer. 02:00:24.159 --> 02:00:27.439 I was squatting like over 405 when I was in high school. 02:00:27.600 --> 02:00:28.399 That's impressive, yeah. 02:00:28.560 --> 02:00:32.960 But like pushing some real weight and like feeling the thrill of like going after it. 02:00:33.039 --> 02:00:34.399 Like that was fucking cool. 02:00:34.560 --> 02:00:35.119 Yeah. 02:00:35.359 --> 02:00:39.119 Um, you know, I I just think that was like it became like my thing. 02:00:39.199 --> 02:00:39.920 Like that's what I said. 02:00:40.000 --> 02:00:42.640 Like, even when I got out of shape, I always went to the gym. 02:00:42.960 --> 02:00:48.239 By the way, that was the ultimate reminder to me though, that like the gym is not where you make the body, man. 02:00:48.399 --> 02:00:51.199 Yeah, like you can build the muscles, but like the kitchen, man. 02:00:51.279 --> 02:00:55.199 Like when they talk about like that, like there's so much is your sleep, like is where you grow. 02:00:55.279 --> 02:00:59.199 Yeah, and the kitchen is where you basically determine how much muscle people see. 02:01:00.239 --> 02:01:02.640 And like, you know, because I was always super strong. 02:01:02.720 --> 02:01:08.880 I mean, even that before picture, I was you know, I was I was benching 315 for six to eight reps, like, no problem. 02:01:08.960 --> 02:01:12.800 Like, people They are you're strong, but like look like shit, you know. 02:01:13.039 --> 02:01:15.600 So just a little lesson for everybody out there. 02:01:15.920 --> 02:01:19.520 You want to see your abs, yeah, eat less, don't do more crunches. 02:01:19.680 --> 02:01:25.600 Yeah, you probably know this better than anyone because you have to get like down to like three or four percent for yeah. 02:01:26.479 --> 02:01:28.000 Real straight diet right now, yeah. 02:01:28.079 --> 02:01:28.880 Yeah, it's it's gone. 02:01:29.119 --> 02:01:30.479 You're even getting grumpy just in here. 02:01:30.640 --> 02:01:31.680 Nah, I'll really get grumpy. 02:01:32.000 --> 02:01:32.960 Yeah, I'm just kidding. 02:01:35.279 --> 02:01:36.000 It's pretty cool. 02:01:36.079 --> 02:01:42.000 I'm like talking to like I'm talking to the 0.001% in entrepreneurship and in bodybuilding. 02:01:42.880 --> 02:01:44.319 Might be less than that, honestly. 02:01:44.560 --> 02:01:48.800 By the way, I want to be the 0.001 in bodybuilding too, but I just don't have time to eat more. 02:01:50.159 --> 02:01:50.880 You're crushing it. 02:01:51.520 --> 02:01:52.159 Congratulations. 02:01:52.479 --> 02:02:00.560 Well, I have one last question I ask everyone at the end of every podcast, but if you're to disappear from the world tomorrow and you had a message that you could send to the entire world today, what would the message be? 02:02:00.800 --> 02:02:14.079 I would say, man, like if I had to leave somebody with anything, is leave whatever it is you do in life how better than how you found it, you know. 02:02:14.239 --> 02:02:16.880 I think that's a a really good principle to live by. 02:02:17.039 --> 02:02:24.000 Like say, for instance, with you know, I'm doing bodybuilding and like I want to make the sport a better place, you know. 02:02:24.159 --> 02:02:32.800 Um, by the time I retire for the next group, I think that's something like humans are meant to do, like make the next generation better, and so on and so forth. 02:02:32.880 --> 02:02:33.760 So yeah. 02:02:34.800 --> 02:02:35.600 Oh yeah. 02:02:36.079 --> 02:02:37.039 Yeah, I don't know. 02:02:37.199 --> 02:02:47.439 I mean that's a tough one, but uh you know, a lot of I guess a

lot of the world that we the the life we think we're supposed to live is generally someone else's vision of what your life should be. 02:02:47.600 --> 02:02:52.800 And so mine is kind of like go after your shit, go after your goals. 02:02:52.960 --> 02:02:55.680 Like don't get caught up. 02:02:55.840 --> 02:03:03.680 You know, I spent my you know my whole life with people telling me what I should try to do, and I don't think I ever felt free until I started doing what I wanted to do. 02:03:04.000 --> 02:03:05.680 So chase your dreams. 02:03:06.399 --> 02:03:11.680 Um I mean, go after your shit, go after your shit, and don't be afraid to fail. 02:03:11.840 --> 02:03:12.079 Yeah. 02:03:12.239 --> 02:03:14.159 There took me a minute and I talked through it. 02:03:14.399 --> 02:03:15.359 We got there. 02:03:16.640 --> 02:03:17.279 Oh yeah. 02:03:17.439 --> 02:03:18.079 Thank you, bro. 02:03:18.319 --> 02:03:20.239 I think you're doing that, Terrence, for sure. 02:03:20.560 --> 02:03:22.239 I think you're absolutely doing that already. 02:03:22.399 --> 02:03:26.319 So wishing uh the best of luck, and I only see it going up from here. 02:03:28.319 --> 02:03:28.800 Same with you, bro. 02:03:29.439 --> 02:03:30.960 I sat next to the Olympia. 02:03:32.479 --> 02:03:35.840 I watched C-Bomb work out because I'm always like, I want to look like that guy. 02:03:36.079 --> 02:03:39.520 Yeah, no, he was awesome, but it wants to look like that guy, dude. 02:03:39.840 --> 02:03:40.399 What's that? 02:03:40.560 --> 02:03:41.840 Everybody wants to look like that guy. 02:03:42.000 --> 02:03:43.039 He's freaky. 02:03:43.279 --> 02:03:46.479 But yeah, he somehow looks really great, kind of when you know, like you guys do. 02:03:46.560 --> 02:03:55.119 Like that's actually probably one of the biggest surprises we walk out of here is that you guys look strangely normal when you don't when you're not wearing your stringers and shit. 02:03:55.680 --> 02:03:56.479 Yeah, I always get that. 02:03:56.560 --> 02:03:58.880 Yeah, like like I'm like, I don't know. 02:03:59.199 --> 02:04:01.119 I probably could live with this guy. 02:04:02.560 --> 02:04:08.159 I mean you look strong as fuck, but like you don't look like when you see them on stage, you're like, these guys are monsters. 02:04:08.479 --> 02:04:10.319 No, that's that's what I'm known for in particular. 02:04:10.399 --> 02:04:12.159 It's like I look really normal in the clothes. 02:04:12.239 --> 02:04:13.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 02:04:13.920 --> 02:04:15.439 Well, keep going. 02:04:15.600 --> 02:04:19.359 And then she comes off and it's a waist of a 12-year-old Asian girl. 02:04:22.640 --> 02:04:23.439 Thanks for having me, man. 02:04:23.600 --> 02:04:24.560 Yeah, thank you for coming on, brother. 02:04:25.039 --> 02:04:25.119 Thank you. 02:04:25.920 --> 02:04:27.600 Thanks for sharing all your wisdom and everything, too, man. 02:04:27.760 --> 02:04:33.680 Because uh I uh I wish we had more time to even talk about it because you know I know I'll come back someday if you want. 02:04:33.840 --> 02:04:35.039 You just gotta ask. 02:04:35.199 --> 02:04:35.520 Yeah. 02:04:35.840 --> 02:04:36.399 Thanks, brother. 02:04:36.720 --> 02:04:37.119 Thank you guys. 02:04:37.520 --> 02:04:38.159 Love you guys. 02:04:38.239 --> 02:04:38.800 That's all.