Full Transcript for Episode 700 - Diving Deep into 'Orders of Magnitude'

further ado, Eric, would you 79 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:23.079 like to get us started with our fan shout-outs? 80 00:04:24.209 --> 00:04:26.750 I absolutely would, Jim. Our very first fan shout out 81 00:04:26.810 --> 00:04:30.110 this week goes out to Markus Basler, who is a 82 00:04:30.230 --> 00:04:34.889 top fan from Dusseldorf, Germany. And Markus is a top 83 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:37.360 fan because he interacts with us a lot on our 84 00:04:37.540 --> 00:04:41.639 social medias. And we really appreciate that because it's much 85 00:04:41.740 --> 00:04:43.899 better to not shout into the void and not get 86 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:46.319 a response. It's much better to get a response, right? 87 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:46.579 Yeah. 88 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:49.189 So thank you for doing that from Dusseldorf. Hope to 89 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:52.610 visit there one day myself. Glad to have you here, Markus. 90 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:56.550 Also saying hello this week to Gina Delle Peoli, who's 91 00:04:56.569 --> 00:05:00.410 from Roma, Italy, sending us that beautiful Italian flag and 92 00:05:00.430 --> 00:05:02.350 a live long and prosper. I have to tell you 93 00:05:02.370 --> 00:05:03.730 at this point in my life, I've been to your 94 00:05:03.750 --> 00:05:06.129 city a couple of times and I love Rome so much. 95 00:05:06.170 --> 00:05:09.569 There's so many amazing things to love there. One of 96 00:05:09.610 --> 00:05:11.509 my favorite things to do when I was there was 97 00:05:11.569 --> 00:05:14.750 drinking a bottle of wine on the front steps of 98 00:05:14.790 --> 00:05:18.930 the Pantheon. It's just it's the best way to go, really. Thanks, Gina, 99 00:05:18.990 --> 00:05:22.170 for saying hi to us. Also saying hello this week 100 00:05:22.230 --> 00:05:26.069 to Gustavo Naranjo, who is from Costa Rica, sending us 101 00:05:26.170 --> 00:05:29.970 that beautiful Costa Rican flag. Live long and prosper. And 102 00:05:30.970 --> 00:05:33.470 like a little smart guy with glasses. Not sure about that, 103 00:05:33.529 --> 00:05:36.980 but I love it. It's all super cute and attention grabbing, 104 00:05:37.069 --> 00:05:39.339 which is how you end up on the show, Gustavo. 105 00:05:39.379 --> 00:05:41.540 You know that at this point. Thanks for saying hi 106 00:05:41.579 --> 00:05:44.180 to us. And last but not least on my list, 107 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:47.160 I'd like to say hello this week to Riks Spierd 108 00:05:47.459 --> 00:05:50.639 from Groningen in Holland. And I have to tell you, 109 00:05:51.060 --> 00:05:52.810 You're not the first person that I have met. Well, 110 00:05:52.829 --> 00:05:54.709 we haven't met, but you're not the first person I've 111 00:05:54.730 --> 00:05:57.389 heard of from Groningen. I had a good friend back 112 00:05:57.449 --> 00:06:00.990 in college who was from that city. So perhaps if 113 00:06:01.029 --> 00:06:04.540 you ever met or knew Pimboss, you could say hi 114 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:08.660

to him. From Eric. Thanks, Reeks. Charles, I'm going to 115 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:10.639 pass this over to you since we're missing V this week. 116 00:06:10.660 --> 00:06:11.120 What do you say? 117 00:06:12.339 --> 00:06:16.230 Oh, thank you, Eric. Sorry, V couldn't make it tonight. 118 00:06:16.310 --> 00:06:19.480 She was feeling under the weather this morning. Let's start 119 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:23.620 off with a welcome to Andrew Nathan from Melbourne, Australia. 120 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:31.449 I wonder if Andrew knows that guy. Welcome Maxwell Tidwell 121 00:06:31.589 --> 00:06:34.689 from Wilton Manors, Florida. 122 00:06:35.069 --> 00:06:36.129 Welcome, Maxwell. 123 00:06:37.029 --> 00:06:46.259 Welcome Ron Jelenk from Grand Island, Nebraska. And last on 124 00:06:46.300 --> 00:06:52.620 the list, welcome Linda Stanley-Owen from Newport Beach, California, now 125 00:06:52.860 --> 00:06:58.439 with Texas Transplants at 71. Oh, I bet you missed Newport. 126 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:04.970 Beautiful beach. Welcome Donnie Brady from West Virginia, USA. 127 00:07:05.110 --> 00:07:06.290 Welcome, Brady. 128 00:07:07.970 --> 00:07:12.689 Welcome Darren Collins, who's a top fan from Washington, D.C., 129 00:07:13.769 --> 00:07:14.699 He waves a U.S. 130 00:07:14.779 --> 00:07:20.639 Flag and a Vulcan salute. Welcome, Daryl. Welcome, Dwayne Royal. 131 00:07:20.660 --> 00:07:22.839 I'm from the. 132 00:07:22.540 --> 00:07:29.699 Nihalatal Mountains in western Northern Carolina, close to Tennessee, Georgia, 133 00:07:29.790 --> 00:07:30.970 and South Carolina. 134 00:07:31.089 --> 00:07:34.050 Welcome, Dwayne. And the last one on my. 135 00:07:33.990 --> 00:07:37.050 List, welcome, Chris Besaw. 136 00:07:37.730 --> 00:07:44.120 I am from Lower Saksville, Nova Scotia. Welcome, Chris. Paul, 137 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:46.000 I'm going to pass the megaphone over to you. 138 00:07:46.019 --> 00:07:48.370 Thank you, Charles. 139 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:52.149 Appreciate it, my friend. Okay, we have folks all over 140 00:07:52.370 --> 00:07:55.569 this planet, clinging on to every, did I just say 141 00:07:55.610 --> 00:07:58.490 cling on? Clinging on to every latitude and longitude that 142 00:07:58.529 --> 00:08:00.889 you can think of, right? Okay, and let's prove that 143 00:08:00.970 --> 00:08:03.129 by seeing as many different countries as we can find. 144 00:08:03.209 --> 00:08:05.050 First of all, we're going to say hello to our 145 00:08:05.069 --> 00:08:08.439 friend Lhotse Cheek. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly, Lhotse, 146 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:12.259 because Lhotse is from Lusaka, Zambia, and I'm seeing the 147 00:08:12.319 --> 00:08:16.660 flag there, and the Vulcan, get out of my way, friends, sign, 148 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:22.230 because I'm coming through. Lusaka Zambia, amazing. I would love 149 00:08:22.290 --> 00:08:24.290 to go and explore that part of the world. Lotsi, 150 00:08:24.310 --> 00:08:26.939 I hope I'm saying your name even partially correct, but 151 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:28.639 it's great to hear from you. Thanks so much for 152 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:32.919 reaching out and showing us that we have Star Trek fans. everywhere. 153 00:08:32.980 --> 00:08:35.840 And Paul, this is the first time that we have 154 00:08:35.980 --> 00:08:37.840 heard from somebody from Zambia. 155 00:08:37.860 --> 00:08:40.299 Is this a national first? 156 00:08:40.500 --> 00:08:41.500 This is a national first. 157 00:08:41.710 --> 00:08:43.269 You keep track of these things, right? 158 00:08:43.490 --> 00:08:43.850 I do. 159 00:08:44.129 --> 00:08:44.850 Yeah. Yeah. 160 00:08:44.870 --> 00:08:46.669 And this is a national first. So I'm pretty excited. 161 00:08:46.730 --> 00:08:49.789 Excellent. Well, Lhotse, you've helped us make history here on 162 00:08:49.850 --> 00:08:54.500 Trek Talking tonight. So excellent. And Lhotse, between you and me, 163 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:58.740 if you know anybody in Antarctica, I know that country 164 00:08:58.779 --> 00:09:02.139 is one of Eric's white whales, if you will. He's 165 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:04.600 dying to get that to happen. So I may have 166 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:06.240 to go there. That may be the only way that 167 00:09:06.259 --> 00:09:11.799 this happens. So moving on to the fabulous Czechia, AKA 168 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:17.139 Czech Republic, parliamentary Republic over there, landlocked as it may 169 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:22.720 be between so many other wonderful countries, Austria, Germany, Poland, uh, Budapest, 170 00:09:22.860 --> 00:09:25.019 I mean, just so many great places up in the 171 00:09:25.070 --> 00:09:28.970 same vicinity. It's a very safe and remarkably cool place 172 00:09:29.570 --> 00:09:34.450 to live. We have Leos Zlatnicek. I believe I'm saying 173 00:09:34.490 --> 00:09:38.820 that right. Leos, I hope so. Zlatnicek from Chechnya, giving 174 00:09:38.860 --> 00:09:41.799 us again a lot of Vulcan solidarity amongst our fans 175 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:45.960 here tonight and a very cheerful smiley face emoji. So Leos, 176 00:09:46.179 --> 00:09:48.809 it's wonderful to know that you're out there Hope you 177 00:09:48.830 --> 00:09:50.940 have a great winter there in Europe. Gosh, I envy 178 00:09:50.980 --> 00:09:55.559 folks who get to spend winter in Europe. Amazing. Stephen Murphy. 179 00:09:55.970 --> 00:09:58.049 Or could it be Stephen Murphy? I'm not sure. A 180 00:09:58.470 --> 00:10:03.259 town called Mallow in County Corp. Ireland. A flag prominently 181 00:10:03.340 --> 00:10:07.250 positioned there. And Stephen says, Trekkie for life, and don't 182 00:10:07.269 --> 00:10:09.730 you forget it, right? I mean, that is fantastic. 183 00:10:09.789 --> 00:10:11.580 So... County Cork. 184 00:10:11.740 --> 00:10:14.850 I know some folks that might be related to my 185 00:10:14.899 --> 00:10:18.549 family living over there. So pretty cool. Excited to hear 186 00:10:18.590 -->

00:10:23.230 from you. And from Cairo, the city of the living 187 00:10:23.289 --> 00:10:27.029 and a paradise on earth in Egypt, it's our pal 188 00:10:27.210 --> 00:10:30.870 Ali Mohamed is signing in. Ali, great to hear from you. 189 00:10:30.950 --> 00:10:36.539 Cairo is one of those magical destinations that everybody in 190 00:10:36.580 --> 00:10:38.559 their life, I hope, gets a chance to visit. It's 191 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:41.629 on my list. I'm very excited to go there myself 192 00:10:41.909 --> 00:10:46.799 and partake of its splendorous wonders. So as we've proven, folks, 193 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:50.059 in a scientific method, there are clearly Star Trek and 194 00:10:50.100 --> 00:10:54.669 science fiction fans replete across this very globe. Even in 195 00:10:55.009 --> 00:11:01.009 humble corners of New Jersey, Poughkeepsie, where else do we 196 00:11:01.049 --> 00:11:02.159 have fans, Uncle Jim? 197 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:04.600 Why, thank you so much, Paul. 198 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:10.750 Now, I don't have any emojis. Everyone gets emojis but me. Guys, 199 00:11:10.870 --> 00:11:14.590 send me some emojis on our Facebook page. So I 200 00:11:14.629 --> 00:11:17.110 want to say hello and thank you to Belladonna Graves, 201 00:11:17.169 --> 00:11:20.730 who's listening to us right now in New Hampshire, just 202 00:11:20.850 --> 00:11:23.309 across the border from where I am sitting at this 203 00:11:23.509 --> 00:11:26.009 very moment. We also want to say hello and thank 204 00:11:26.029 --> 00:11:26.990 you to Mary L. 205 00:11:27.049 --> 00:11:33.539 Coons, who says, originally from Philadelphia, PA, now existing in Vermont. 206 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:36.519 I love how she says existing. 207 00:11:37.019 --> 00:11:39.539 And I can tell you, Mary, I relate to that. I, 208 00:11:40.289 --> 00:11:44.429 sadly enough, exist here as well. So nice to have you. 209 00:11:45.179 --> 00:11:46.940 We also want to say hello and thank you to 210 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:50.360 Lois Cohen, who's in Newark, New Jersey. 211 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:51.580 Thank you, Lois. 212 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:54.000 And last but not least, we want to say hello, 213 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:58.909 thank you, and kapow, to Bill Schrebner, who's in Auburn, Massachusetts. 214 00:11:59.350 --> 00:12:01.110 If you guys would like to be featured on a 215 00:12:01.190 --> 00:12:03.970 grand shout-out, please go to our Facebook page, Trek Talking 216 00:12:04.129 --> 00:12:06.730 and Beyond. You will see the Live Long and Prosper 217 00:12:06.769 --> 00:12:07.909 post pinned at the top. 218 00:12:07.750 --> 00:12:10.399 Of the page. Tell us where you're from. Leave lots 219 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:11.980 of emojis. It gets my attention. 220 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:13.480 If you see a heart next to your name from 221 00:12:13.500 --> 00:12:15.919 yours truly, Uncle Jim, you'll be featured in a future 222 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:17.240 fan shout-out. 223 00:12:18.090

--> 00:12:18.909 All right, guys. 224 00:12:18.929 --> 00:12:21.950 Oh, and while you're on our Facebook page, you can 225 00:12:22.090 --> 00:12:27.269 answer our polls. And speaking of polls, David, roll the tape. 226 00:12:30.429 --> 00:12:34.610 Pullin', pullin', pullin'. You know me like no win. 227 00:12:34.799 --> 00:12:39.669 What you thought about the show and me trovin'. To. 228 00:12:39.649 --> 00:12:44.639 Share your opinions with all of our minions. They're there 229 00:12:44.659 --> 00:12:50.820 because they listen. So tell us just what you think, 230 00:12:51.059 --> 00:12:55.600 and together we will all dream. Kadar and Romulan ALT. 231 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:03.879 Now, with the 60th anniversary of Star Trek, I thought 232 00:13:03.899 --> 00:13:06.590 it might be fun to find out what the fans 233 00:13:06.629 --> 00:13:11.190 would pick for their all-time 60th anniversary crew. And so far, 234 00:13:11.809 --> 00:13:16.889 the crew of the USS Shaqari includes Scotty. 235 00:13:16.389 --> 00:13:19.110 As our chief engineer, and Eric. 236 00:13:20.070 --> 00:13:21.889 What's going on now? What's our latest poll? 237 00:13:22.669 --> 00:13:25.909 Well, this week we are talking about chief of security. 238 00:13:26.029 --> 00:13:28.769 So as the captain of your ship, who would you choose? 239 00:13:28.789 --> 00:13:31.750 And we have Eight choices pictured on the screen here 240 00:13:31.970 --> 00:13:34.129 by David, and we're going to go through them from 241 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:40.419 least popular to most popular. 1% of our responders said 242 00:13:40.460 --> 00:13:43.779 that they would go with Ellen Landry. Ellen Landry, there 243 00:13:43.820 --> 00:13:46.840 you go. Yeah, not many people know who she is, 244 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:54.179 I think. Similarly, only 3% said none, despite the fact 245 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:56.759 that she did play prominently in at least one season 246 00:13:56.820 --> 00:14:00.649 of Star Trek Discovery. Um, but, uh, you know, not 247 00:14:00.669 --> 00:14:03.230 a super popular character. So, uh, non came in at 248 00:14:03.269 --> 00:14:09.779 seventh in sixth place. We have Chekhov and I have 249 00:14:09.820 --> 00:14:12.440 all check. I, is he, is he chief of security? 250 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:16.950 Is that his Chekhov chief of security? I don't remember. 251 00:14:17.809 --> 00:14:23.490 He was security after he was in a star Trek, uh, six, 252 00:14:23.529 --> 00:14:29.490 he was security. Ah, okay. Okay. He was weapons officer 253 00:14:29.509 --> 00:14:31.669 in the motion picture. It's hard to. 254 00:14:32.649 --> 00:14:36.299 He was weapons officer, which on TNG, weapons officer was 255 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:37.840 also security, so. 256 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:39.320 Ah. Yeah. 257 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:43.360 Yeah, it was a good... It's a fair choice, yeah. Okay, well, 258 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:43.659 4% of our. 259 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:45.820 He's what you call a jack-of-all-trades show. 260 00:14:46.220 --> 00:14:50.610 Yeah. So 4% of our responders did go with Pavel Chekhov. 261 00:14:51.019 --> 00:14:56.960 That's awesome. In fifth place... We have Malcolm Reed from 262 00:14:57.019 --> 00:15:02.210 Enterprise with 5% of our votes. I think Malcolm Reed 263 00:15:02.250 --> 00:15:04.330 deserves more than that. He was a pretty sharp chief 264 00:15:04.370 --> 00:15:09.110 of security, actually. He was the only chief of security 265 00:15:09.149 --> 00:15:12.730 who I've really felt always did his job. You know, 266 00:15:12.769 --> 00:15:15.460 Worf would sometimes forget to do his job or do 267 00:15:15.509 --> 00:15:18.820 it poorly. Malcolm was always on point. But only 5% 268 00:15:18.820 --> 00:15:22.850 of you agree. In fourth place, we have Tasha Yar. 269 00:15:23.129 --> 00:15:27.789 Tasha Yar got 6% of the votes. She probably could 270 00:15:27.809 --> 00:15:30.230 have been an even better Chief of Security had she 271 00:15:30.250 --> 00:15:35.360 not been killed by Armus. In third place, we have La'an. 272 00:15:35.539 --> 00:15:38.659 That's right, our new Chief of Security with 13% of 273 00:15:38.700 --> 00:15:42.580 the vote. So as much as the last three people 274 00:15:42.620 --> 00:15:46.080 or so combined. So that's pretty good. But then we 275 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:51.690 have the big two. In second place... We have Worf, 276 00:15:52.289 --> 00:15:56.990 son of Moog. That's right. With 26% of the vote, 277 00:15:57.289 --> 00:16:01.429 Worf as chief of security got second place. And with 278 00:16:01.490 --> 00:16:06.970 a whopping 45% of the vote, maybe deserves more. We 279 00:16:07.009 --> 00:16:12.889 have the constable himself, Odo. That's right. Basically Sherlock Holmes. 280 00:16:13.629 --> 00:16:17.340 Basically also a super security chief. basically also can turn 281 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:20.299 into anything and like pour through little tiny cracks. I mean, 282 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:22.559 who are you going to choose? You're going to choose 283 00:16:22.580 --> 00:16:25.210 the guy who's a shapeshifter every single time. Plus he's 284 00:16:25.230 --> 00:16:28.970 got a rather surly disposition that I find delightful. So 285 00:16:28.990 --> 00:16:32.870 there you go. That's our top eight security people. Odo 286 00:16:32.990 --> 00:16:36.490 is number one. And so now accompanying Scotty in engineering, 287 00:16:37.190 --> 00:16:40.220 we have Odo as our chief of security on the 288 00:16:40.269 --> 00:16:41.720 USS Shaqiri. 289 00:16:43.070 --> 00:16:46.210 And I believe the next week is the doctor, I think. 290 00:16:46.230 --> 00:16:47.789 Was that the doctor, David, that we did? 291 00:16:47.860 --> 00:16:48.750 I think it was. 292 00:16:49.460 --> 00:16:51.820 Yeah, chief of medical or something like that. 293 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:53.940 Chief medical officer. CMO. Yep. 294 00:16:54.620 --> 00:16:58.360 Okay, guys. So at this point in the show, we 295

00:16:58.379 --> 00:17:00.730 do our cadet training. And for that, I'm going to 296 00:17:00.789 --> 00:17:02.649 hand the microphone over to Charles. 297 00:17:02.710 --> 00:17:03.590 Take it away, Charles. 298 00:17:04.750 --> 00:17:05.789 Thank you, Jim. 299 00:17:05.809 --> 00:17:10.130 Thanks. Okay, cadet training, where I sit there and talk 300 00:17:10.170 --> 00:17:16.970 about how this episode ties into other Star Trek episodes. NTOS, 301 00:17:17.069 --> 00:17:19.130 City on the Edge of Forever, which I got to 302 00:17:19.170 --> 00:17:23.390 see on the big screen, is where we first saw Cortizene, 303 00:17:24.869 --> 00:17:27.289 which is what the doctor gave Kirk. 304 00:17:29.490 --> 00:17:32.710 And I think what they used trying to help the 305 00:17:32.809 --> 00:17:33.430 Admiral out. 306 00:17:35.180 --> 00:17:40.220 General Order 24, an order to destroy all life and 307 00:17:40.259 --> 00:17:43.690 entire planet. This order has been given by Captain Gareth 308 00:17:43.930 --> 00:17:52.269 on Antos IV, Captain Kirk on MNR 7, and Admiral 309 00:17:52.329 --> 00:17:56.660 Simon Rieger on Argus II. On none of these occasions 310 00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:00.359 were the order actually fulfilled. Kirk called an order of 311 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:05.250 last resort while arguing with Rieger about it. TOS, Whom 312 00:18:05.309 --> 00:18:11.339 Gods Destroy, Taserberg Armageddon, and Strange New Worlds Order of Magnitude. 313 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:14.920 I know a topic that Eric loves. 314 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:16.680 Evil admirals. 315 00:18:18.299 --> 00:18:26.200 Lead Admiral Alexander Marcus. Star Trek Into Darkness. Admiral Eric Pressman. 316 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:35.029 Star Trek TNG, The Pegasus. Rear Admiral Nora Sati. From TNG, Drumhead. 317 00:18:35.049 --> 00:18:46.490 And then TOS, Doomsday Machine, season two. Deadly Years, season two. Voyager, 318 00:18:46.549 --> 00:18:48.849 Tinker Tanner, Dr. 319 00:18:48.910 --> 00:18:49.789 Spies. 320 00:18:51.190 --> 00:18:56.349 Season six, where they use Starfleet Order 104, section. 321 00:18:56.049 --> 00:18:57.109 B and C. 322 00:18:57.670 --> 00:19:03.069 This is where the Doctor will relieve the Captain from 323 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:07.829 duty when they don't think they are mentally stable enough 324 00:19:08.170 --> 00:19:13.450 or able to command so paul i bet you're biting 325 00:19:13.470 --> 00:19:16.430 the bit to sit there and tell us about this episode. 326 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:20.339 A little bit you know and i i try to 327 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:24.019 really hold off my personal opinions until later if i 328 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:27.019 can when i talk about the episode more in depth 329 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:30.299 but just starting this recap i'm i'm super excited because 330 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:33.759 there was some Damn good writing happening in this particular episode, 331 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:38.900 in which episode number eight, Orders of Magnitude, Lieutenant Commander 332 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:41.990 James T. Kirk finds himself serving as first officer on 333 00:19:42.009 --> 00:19:45.809 the Enterprise while a decorated war hero turns a personal 334 00:19:45.869 --> 00:19:52.269 vendetta into a dangerous command crisis. That's your setup, okay? 335 00:19:53.769 --> 00:19:57.349 To begin with, Captain Pike, Number One, Uhura, Chapel, and 336 00:19:57.390 --> 00:20:00.839 Cadet Asha. Apparently, Pike only travels with females. This is 337 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:03.559 what I've noticed on the episode. They head down to 338 00:20:03.619 --> 00:20:07.019 this Class M moon with an elaborate cave system answering 339 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:12.460 an emergency distress call. taking them off the ship. Meanwhile, 340 00:20:12.740 --> 00:20:18.730 highly respected Admiral Simon Rieger, portrayed by the wonderful Joe Morton, 341 00:20:19.230 --> 00:20:22.089 we'll talk more about him later, he comes on board 342 00:20:22.130 --> 00:20:26.930 the Enterprise in search of a stealth alien vessel that 343 00:20:27.069 --> 00:20:31.299 is elusive as can be and is evidently responsible for 344 00:20:31.339 --> 00:20:36.579 a devastating Varden massacre. And he is determined to bring 345 00:20:36.619 --> 00:20:41.339 that ship to justice. With Pike stranded and out of communication, 346 00:20:41.940 --> 00:20:45.240 James Kirk, who's visiting, he becomes the senior officer on 347 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:53.109 board and steps in as Admiral Rieger's first officer. And very, 348 00:20:53.130 --> 00:20:58.170 very quickly, Rieger becomes obsessed with destroying this enemy ship 349 00:20:59.029 --> 00:21:05.660 and eventually invokes extreme measures, as Charles intimated, General Order 24. 350 00:21:05.660 --> 00:21:09.940 that threaten an innocent planetary biosphere in its entirety and 351 00:21:10.220 --> 00:21:15.440 all the beings that live on that planet. We end 352 00:21:15.529 --> 00:21:20.089 up finding out that Rieger himself has a history with 353 00:21:20.210 --> 00:21:24.430 Kirk's father, George Kirk, who they serve together, kind of 354 00:21:24.509 --> 00:21:29.529 claiming in this disappointed way that his father, George Kirk, 355 00:21:29.630 --> 00:21:33.279 lacked the killer instinct that was necessary to do good 356 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:37.920 back during the Klingon War, where they both served. Later on, 357 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:42.170 we find out from Dr. Mbenga that that wasn't necessarily 358 00:21:42.190 --> 00:21:45.309 the case in that particular battle, that it may be 359 00:21:45.430 --> 00:21:51.140 that George Kirk did more than popular notions had it, 360 00:21:51.490 --> 00:21:56.309 and that perhaps somebody ended up to take credit for 361 00:21:56.349 --> 00:21:59.130 something that they shouldn't have to ruin his reputation out 362 00:21:59.150 --> 00:22:05.200 of ego and grief. Realizing that Admiral Rieger has completely 363 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:10.460

lost his objectivity and is basically unfit for duty, Kirk 364 00:22:10.819 --> 00:22:15.259 provokes and deliberately agitates the Admiral into a violent rage. 365 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:20.160 And after he successfully gets Rieger to physically lash out, 366 00:22:21.309 --> 00:22:28.180 Mabenga legally declares the Admiral medically unfit for command. And ultimately, 367 00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:31.799 Laan has to neutralize him with a phaser stun, right? 368 00:22:32.599 --> 00:22:35.019 Down on the planet, though, there's a lot going on 369 00:22:35.740 --> 00:22:38.299 throughout all this, where there's an amazing situation where we 370 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:43.599 find out that Pike stepped into a trap. The whole 371 00:22:43.740 --> 00:22:47.589 business of a distress call was like a lure to 372 00:22:47.809 --> 00:22:50.490 trick them into coming in there, where there is a 373 00:22:50.690 --> 00:22:54.730 party of Andorian soldiers that are there who take everybody prisoner. 374 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:58.779 And I'll let some of the other Trexperts go into that, 375 00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:00.980 because I know at least one of my Trexperts on here, 376 00:23:01.099 --> 00:23:04.319 one of my Trexperts, one of us mutual Trexperts, has 377 00:23:04.579 --> 00:23:07.359 a lot of big love for Andorians. And I'd really 378 00:23:07.420 --> 00:23:11.079 like that Trexpert to weigh in on that B story, 379 00:23:11.140 --> 00:23:14.279 if you will, which I thought was really interesting. And 380 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:17.140 for me, I like Andorians too, and it was really exciting. 381 00:23:17.180 --> 00:23:19.609 So there's a lot of cutting back and forth between 382 00:23:20.269 --> 00:23:23.609 events going on up on the Enterprise with his visiting 383 00:23:23.730 --> 00:23:26.940 Admiral and things going escalating down in the caverns of 384 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:30.720 the planet with the Andorians. It's really great. The episode 385 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:34.480 is a lot about approaches to command, the boundaries of 386 00:23:34.539 --> 00:23:38.849 following orders. I'll be happy to come back later on 387 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:42.269 and talk a little bit more about this episode and 388 00:23:42.289 --> 00:23:44.369 give it a rating number. But I would say this 389 00:23:44.430 --> 00:23:47.349 is definitely, certainly, it's no spoiler to say that Orders 390 00:23:47.369 --> 00:23:49.369 of Magnitude is one of the best episodes of the 391 00:23:49.430 --> 00:23:54.380 season so far. And it gives us a lot to 392 00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:57.259 talk about but i'm pretty sure before we actually go 393 00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:01.059 there and all the treksperts have like you know kind 394 00:24:01.140 --> 00:24:03.980 of uh big horse bits in their mouth they're ready 395 00:24:04.019 --> 00:24:07.420 to go in here but um eric is got a 396 00:24:07.740 --> 00:24:11.000 voluminous category of all the different things some of our 397 00:24:11.059 --> 00:24:15.130 fans have to say did our fans dig this episode 398 00:24:15.609 --> 00:24:17.569 e what do you say man are they are they 399 00:24:17.730 --> 00:24:19.309 high on on this stuff what do you. 400 00:24:19.269 --> 00:24:21.359 Think as Only one way to tell Paul, we have 401 00:24:21.380 --> 00:24:24.279 to tell their story. And the story of Ronald Paul 402 00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:26.039 Woods is that he's a top fan and he gave 403 00:24:26.059 --> 00:24:27.900 it a solid nine. It would have been a 10, 404 00:24:27.900 --> 00:24:30.440 but he can't wrap his head around Pike and Una 405 00:24:30.500 --> 00:24:34.069 both going on a dangerous away mission. That shit happens 406 00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:34.670 at Star Trek. 407 00:24:34.549 --> 00:24:34.880 All the time. 408 00:24:34.940 --> 00:24:38.210 Has this guy ever watched Star Trek ever? I mean, Kirk, Spock, 409 00:24:38.309 --> 00:24:40.089 and McCoy went on every way. 410 00:24:40.130 --> 00:24:41.069 Constantly, right? 411 00:24:41.349 --> 00:24:41.490 Yeah. 412 00:24:41.970 --> 00:24:44.470 Yeah, so it's just what you do in Star Trek. 413 00:24:44.490 --> 00:24:47.230 But didn't Pike say in the beginning, didn't he say, Una, 414 00:24:47.250 --> 00:24:48.710 you're a woman, you have to go with me on 415 00:24:48.730 --> 00:24:51.000 this landing party. Oh, this is a landing party of 416 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:51.440 only women. 417 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:54.940 Well, you know, Paul, I mean, I was thinking about that. And, 418 00:24:55.099 --> 00:24:59.009 you know, the fact is that, like, it reads that way, 419 00:24:59.049 --> 00:25:01.630 but we actually have women on the ship now in 420 00:25:02.109 --> 00:25:05.029 places of command when we didn't used to have that. 421 00:25:05.980 --> 00:25:09.529 How crazy was that, man? So, you know, maybe that's 422 00:25:09.569 --> 00:25:11.279 as simple as all it is. 423 00:25:11.289 --> 00:25:13.369 Yeah, that's all I got. 424 00:25:13.490 --> 00:25:14.430 I got it. 425 00:25:15.430 --> 00:25:15.769 Okay. 426 00:25:16.269 --> 00:25:19.130 Well, anyway, thanks, Ron, for your opinions on that. And 427 00:25:19.150 --> 00:25:20.910 you gave it a nine. Joe Sittig also gave it 428 00:25:20.930 --> 00:25:23.940 a nine. The Kirk story was great. Joe Morton was incredible. 429 00:25:23.980 --> 00:25:27.079 Paul Wesley, too. The cave B plot. You could tell 430 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:30.380 some stuff died in editing, but also caves. Who doesn't 431 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:35.759 love a good cave story? Can't disagree, Joe. Charlie Zimmerman 432 00:25:35.779 --> 00:25:38.480 gave it a 10. Good suspense, good action, a few 433 00:25:38.529 --> 00:25:42.289 small touches of natural humor, and excellent character moments. Appreciated 434 00:25:42.329 --> 00:25:45.029 that they didn't feel the need to answer every question. 435 00:25:45.609 --> 00:25:48.910 Leaned into the chapel slash embenga rift a little harder 436 00:25:48.950 -->

00:25:51.450 than I would like, but that's clearly an arc that's 437 00:25:51.529 --> 00:25:53.150 still building into a climax. 438 00:25:53.309 --> 00:25:54.289 Thanks, Charlie. Good review. 439 00:25:55.529 --> 00:25:59.069 Doug Garlinger gave it a 10. When you put Eli 440 00:25:59.150 --> 00:26:00.609 Pope of Scandal in command. 441 00:26:03.180 --> 00:26:05.049 You know he wants to kill a lot of people. 442 00:26:05.769 --> 00:26:10.109 You don't take command. Kirk in command takes you. Thanks, Doug. 443 00:26:11.769 --> 00:26:15.849 Sabrina Inej Raya said, well, because there's so much that 444 00:26:15.890 --> 00:26:17.750 can still be done, I have to go with a 445 00:26:17.769 --> 00:26:20.410 solid nine. It seems to be going in the correct 446 00:26:20.450 --> 00:26:23.549 direction for Star Trek. Clearly with Pike and this period 447 00:26:23.589 --> 00:26:26.230 of time before Kirk becomes captain of the Enterprise, there's 448 00:26:26.329 --> 00:26:29.880 many opportunities to create excellent shows that will be in 449 00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:34.730 the seven, eight, or nine range. Living Room, for a 450 00:26:34.809 --> 00:26:39.210 solid 10. Every once in a while, landing a 10 451 00:26:39.210 --> 00:26:41.250 is essentially what Sabrina was saying. Thank you so much. 452 00:26:41.890 --> 00:26:44.410 Ashley Williams also gave it a perfect 10. My nitpicks 453 00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:48.799 were not enough to bring it down. Conversely, Morton Trotter 454 00:26:48.819 --> 00:26:52.039 only gave it a 6. They said it was definitely 455 00:26:52.099 --> 00:26:54.440 one of the better episodes of the season, but this season, 456 00:26:54.940 --> 00:26:58.210 that's not saying much. The writing wasn't that great, and 457 00:26:58.250 --> 00:27:01.890 Joe Morton acting... was overdone. I'm sorry, I need to 458 00:27:01.930 --> 00:27:02.609 go wash my mouth. 459 00:27:06.549 --> 00:27:10.019 Wow. Love you, buddy. 460 00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:15.579 All right, here we go. Eduardo Oliveira gave it a 461 00:27:15.579 --> 00:27:18.960 10 with an exclamation point and 20 for Paul Wesley's 462 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:23.730 portrayal of Kirk and 20 to Celia Rose Gooding as Uhura. 463 00:27:24.150 --> 00:27:25.450 She was great. Yeah. 464 00:27:25.990 --> 00:27:29.130 Ever think we'd see Brewer kick that much butt? I didn't, 465 00:27:29.250 --> 00:27:32.410 and I was pleasantly surprised. Michelle Sparrow gave it a 466 00:27:32.390 --> 00:27:34.490 10 out of 10 with a couple of cute emojis. 467 00:27:35.029 --> 00:27:37.230 And Fliss Lawrence, who we heard from last week, I 468 00:27:37.289 --> 00:27:40.730 remember because that sounds familiar, gave it a 10. Great 469 00:27:40.829 --> 00:27:42.210 backstory for James T. 470 00:27:42.269 --> 00:27:42.509 Kirk. 471 00:27:42.630 --> 00:27:46.150 I also appreciated the subtle nod to veterans with PTSD 472 00:27:46.230 --> 00:27:49.940 who feel pressured to ignore their symptoms and act normal. 473 00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:53.119 I acknowledge that there are a few plot holes, like 474 00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:56.579 the Federation allowing a captain, now admiral, to misrepresent his 475 00:27:56.680 --> 00:28:00.019 role in a pivotal battle, with ship video logs that 476 00:28:00.059 --> 00:28:03.980 would contradict him and letting him continue to undermine his 477 00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:07.599 first officer's career. I like the acknowledgement that the Federation 478 00:28:07.900 --> 00:28:12.420 is imperfect. I did find the Subterranean Andorian subplot hard 479 00:28:12.460 --> 00:28:15.420 to believe, but it makes sense in light of Uhura's promotion. 480 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:22.740 Fan score combined this week of 9.4. Yeah, 9.4. That's 481 00:28:22.779 --> 00:28:26.380 a serious fan score. Let's see. It looks like it 482 00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:29.299 was only bested by the very first episode this season, 483 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:32.799 which the fans gave a 9.7. So, second best of 484 00:28:32.819 --> 00:28:33.960 the season, according to our fans. 485 00:28:35.609 --> 00:28:37.869 Well, you know what, Eric? I'm going to give it 486 00:28:37.910 --> 00:28:41.930 a solid 10. I am so excited, you know what, 487 00:28:42.470 --> 00:28:45.819 to see Star Trek like this. Oh, my God. If 488 00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:48.670 they can write episodes this good, why are they doing 489 00:28:48.750 --> 00:28:52.190 gimmicky crap? Why aren't they writing stuff like this every week? 490 00:28:52.710 --> 00:28:53.589 Come on, guys. 491 00:28:54.049 --> 00:28:58.029 This episode was perfect. This episode had it all. 492 00:28:58.049 --> 00:29:01.220 I don't want to... Uhura? 493 00:29:01.460 --> 00:29:03.660 The last time I saw Uhura kick ass like that 494 00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:08.839 was in the Kelvin Universe movies. So to see them 495 00:29:08.940 --> 00:29:12.890 utilize Uhura just did me proud. I had a tear 496 00:29:12.910 --> 00:29:15.720 in my eye when they mentioned him. At the end, 497 00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:18.680 when she got her promotion, I was like, oh, my God, 498 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:23.819 this is just wow. Kirk, you know, a couple episodes ago, 499 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.079 we got to see Scotty turn the corner. Now we 500 00:29:27.099 --> 00:29:32.130 get to see Kirk do the same thing. Wow, what 501 00:29:32.170 --> 00:29:36.230 can I say? Phenomenal acting by Paul Wesley. 502 00:29:37.269 --> 00:29:41.990 Great script. Lots of action. The albumer was a dink. 503 00:29:42.579 --> 00:29:45.839 But I'll let Eric talk about that. 504 00:29:46.660 --> 00:29:49.200 I loved it. I loved it, loved it, loved it. Please, 505 00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:53.859 please bring on more episodes like this. You've proven you 506 00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:56.920 can do it. Please keep doing it. And let's stay 507 00:29:56.940 --> 00:29:59.180 away from the Brady Bunch and Gilligan's Island and all 508 00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:08.390 this other garbage. And

just write Star Trek like this, because, wow, outstanding, phenomenal, 509 00:30:08.970 --> 00:30:15.529 perfect 10 from me. And with that, oh, and what 510 00:30:15.569 --> 00:30:18.390 did V, I asked V in the chat to score, 511 00:30:18.450 --> 00:30:20.930 and I don't remember what she said. What did V score? 512 00:30:21.029 --> 00:30:23.130 A 9.75. 513 00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:28.299 Okay, V gave it a 9.75 because she couldn't be 514 00:30:28.339 --> 00:30:32.319 with us tonight. So 10 for me and a 9.75 515 00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:32.900 from V. 516 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:34.619 David, you want to jump in next? 517 00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:40.309 Sure, yeah. I have to agree with you, Jim. This 518 00:30:40.529 --> 00:30:45.329 episode probably gave me a little bit of a breather 519 00:30:45.829 --> 00:30:47.809 from all the other episodes that we had to suffer through. 520 00:30:48.849 --> 00:30:57.210 But this one actually made me think that... with now, 521 00:30:57.269 --> 00:31:00.430 since we got somewhat of a backstory of Kirk's father 522 00:31:00.970 --> 00:31:05.980 and more interactions with the brother, Sam makes me wonder 523 00:31:06.059 --> 00:31:09.579 if they're going to be doing a reboot, then yeah, 524 00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:11.980 we're going to be getting more and more backstories as 525 00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.009 everything unfolds. And, you know, it'd be really fun to watch. 526 00:31:15.180 --> 00:31:19.119 So I can't wait for that to happen. But, uh, Yeah, 527 00:31:19.700 --> 00:31:21.500 I do have a couple of nitpicks that I was 528 00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:26.519 kind of wondering about. So the idea with the Andorian 529 00:31:27.299 --> 00:31:28.059 at the very. 530 00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:28.220 End, the. 531 00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:34.740 Guy gets crumbled down with the slag mite coming down. 532 00:31:34.779 --> 00:31:36.819 It was just like the editing part was just like, 533 00:31:36.940 --> 00:31:39.400 why didn't he move? It seems like a long time 534 00:31:39.420 --> 00:31:42.269 for him to scream and whatnot. To me, that was 535 00:31:42.289 --> 00:31:44.569 just a little bit of a probably editing problem. 536 00:31:45.670 --> 00:31:47.450 However, yeah, so.... 537 00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:52.000 Let's see, there's not much else in here that I 538 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:58.940 wanted to really say, but I really did like Ahura's 539 00:31:59.339 --> 00:32:04.349 ability to just fight or flight situations. You don't know 540 00:32:04.490 --> 00:32:06.849 what your body can do, and so people can just 541 00:32:06.890 --> 00:32:12.579 surprise you. I actually enjoyed watching the idea that she 542 00:32:12.619 --> 00:32:16.099 was able to remember her training, as Pike would say. 543 00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:18.140 So that was really cool. 544 00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:22.470 Let's see, what else? 545 00:32:24.170 --> 00:32:27.369 I like the plot twist with Mbenga was the one 546 00:32:27.390 --> 00:32:37.400 that actually he didn't actually slip him wait so remind me, 547 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:41.180 was it Mbenga who actually slipped the Admiral the courtesan? 548 00:32:41.819 --> 00:32:43.099 Or was it actually Kirk? 549 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:44.039 No, it was Kirk. 550 00:32:44.059 --> 00:32:45.339 Kirk put it in his coffee. 551 00:32:46.660 --> 00:32:48.269 Right, okay. For some reason I thought it was the 552 00:32:48.289 --> 00:32:51.849 other way around. Okay, so It was an interesting plot 553 00:32:51.890 --> 00:32:56.140 twist to me that he tried to save Kirk that way. 554 00:32:58.779 --> 00:33:01.279 But at the same time, it makes me wonder, because 555 00:33:01.339 --> 00:33:03.680 I'm trying to remember the episode with Mbenga from the 556 00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:07.960 original TOS. Was he still in Starfleet? Or was he 557 00:33:07.980 --> 00:33:09.329 just kind of like a civilian now? 558 00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:13.529 No, he was a medical specialist. So he was no longer, 559 00:33:13.849 --> 00:33:17.849 or he wasn't the, they don't say that. I think 560 00:33:17.890 --> 00:33:20.329 he's from an institute. He's not from Starfleet. 561 00:33:20.930 --> 00:33:23.829 Okay, so he did actually pretty much lost his job 562 00:33:23.890 --> 00:33:24.349 and everything. 563 00:33:24.430 --> 00:33:24.750 Okay. 564 00:33:24.849 --> 00:33:27.950 I mean, we didn't really know that until now, but yeah. 565 00:33:28.069 --> 00:33:31.380 I mean, it's interesting how they're trying to make it 566 00:33:32.410 --> 00:33:36.759 continuity-wise to put the two together. So I actually give 567 00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:42.059 him a plot for that. And yeah, I think everybody 568 00:33:42.099 --> 00:33:44.880 in here did an excellent job. I really liked the acting. 569 00:33:44.980 --> 00:33:50.200 I really liked the plot. And it was a well-balanced... 570 00:33:50.700 --> 00:33:53.259 and it didn't seem like it kind of like lagged 571 00:33:53.299 --> 00:33:55.440 or anything, except for that one enduring part of the 572 00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:59.819 death scene. But, uh, other than that, yeah, I'm going 573 00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:02.700 to have to give this a 10. 574 00:34:03.349 --> 00:34:03.690 Wow. 575 00:34:03.789 --> 00:34:07.730 It's pretty respectable so far. And Eric, how about you? 576 00:34:07.750 --> 00:34:08.710 You want to jump in here? 577 00:34:10.010 --> 00:34:11.889 Yeah, sure. 578 00:34:12.130 --> 00:34:12.710 Yeah. 579 00:34:12.789 --> 00:34:14.090 I mean, it was kind of, it kind of felt 580 00:34:14.110 --> 00:34:18.320 like this episode was made for me. Uh, so yeah. Um, 581 00:34:18.750 --> 00:34:20.989 no question that I agree with everything everybody has said 582 00:34:21.050 --> 00:34:22.809 so far. So I just want to add my own 583 00:34:22.869 --> 00:34:27.190 thoughts about, um, Simon Rieger played by Joe Morton. I mean, 584 00:34:27.690 --> 00:34:31.829 as Paul said, that man can act and the, I 585 00:34:31.909 --> 00:34:36.630

disagree with the, the, um, the person who contacted us 586 00:34:36.650 --> 00:34:38.949 and said that it was overacted. I don't think that's 587 00:34:39.010 --> 00:34:42.179 true at all. In fact, uh, I think, you know, 588 00:34:42.260 --> 00:34:44.420 even though this was kind of like the classic bad 589 00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:49.070 moral sort of situation, um, The reason that he was 590 00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:50.909 so good, that Joe Martin was so good, is not 591 00:34:50.949 --> 00:34:54.550 only because he's a very skilled actor, but the way 592 00:34:54.590 --> 00:34:57.269 the character was written is written like all of the 593 00:34:57.309 --> 00:35:01.690 best bad admirals, which is that the admiral 100% believes 594 00:35:02.130 --> 00:35:04.909 in what they're doing and that it is the absolute 595 00:35:04.969 --> 00:35:09.039 right thing to do. In this case, we've got him saying, 596 00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:14.769 you know, I will sacrifice, you know, a relative handful 597 00:35:14.829 --> 00:35:18.010 of people to save, uh, to save millions of people. 598 00:35:18.050 --> 00:35:20.630 So he's doing this calculus of the needs of the 599 00:35:20.690 --> 00:35:24.789 many always outweigh the needs of the few. And, um, 600 00:35:25.289 --> 00:35:28.079 you know, it's clear that he hasn't, he hasn't seen 601 00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:33.860 Star Trek two. Um, you know, Spock teaches us that 602 00:35:33.900 --> 00:35:38.199 that's not all necessarily, um, the case, but in this one, 603 00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:40.110 he was so good. And he actually, it kind of 604 00:35:40.139 --> 00:35:43.079 gave me a little, a little bit of, um, of 605 00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:46.639 vibes of Charles mentioned Satie from The Drumhead, one of 606 00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:50.210 my favorite, like, bad moral episodes. And she's so good 607 00:35:50.250 --> 00:35:54.429 because she absolutely believes that there is a conspirator and 608 00:35:54.449 --> 00:35:56.570 that there's trouble and that she's got to root it 609 00:35:56.690 --> 00:35:58.650 out and all this kind of stuff. And it turns 610 00:35:58.690 --> 00:36:01.860 out that she's just really a zealot, you know. And 611 00:36:01.900 --> 00:36:03.360 in a lot of ways, that's what we've got from 612 00:36:03.420 --> 00:36:06.099 Rieger here. He's just a person who is on his 613 00:36:06.219 --> 00:36:12.039 own personal mission. And he eventually sort of admits it, 614 00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:14.829 I think, What was interesting was that as that kind 615 00:36:14.869 --> 00:36:18.030 of story went on and on, and before I get 616 00:36:18.050 --> 00:36:19.289 to what I was just going to say, I will 617 00:36:19.329 --> 00:36:22.480 say that the moments between Paul Wesley and Joe Morton 618 00:36:22.619 --> 00:36:25.820 on the bridge together and the tension of those two, 619 00:36:26.500 --> 00:36:30.619 it was absolutely electric. Those were like my absolute favorite 620 00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:34.579

scenes from this episode, just the two of them. Paul Wesley, 621 00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:39.309 Kirk constantly challenging the Admiral, everybody else on the bridge 622 00:36:39.449 --> 00:36:43.380 looking around like, is this Admiral crazy? And like, they're 623 00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:45.929 all glad that Kirk is there to kind of represent 624 00:36:45.969 --> 00:36:54.309 what they're all thinking. Right. But the, I knew if 625 00:36:54.389 --> 00:36:59.670 I took a sidetrack, I was going to, Oh, the, the, yeah, right. 626 00:36:59.690 --> 00:37:01.940 Towards the end. I, at some point, you know, when 627 00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:04.440 he kind of, when everything kind of starts going down 628 00:37:04.500 --> 00:37:06.679 on the bridge there towards the end of the episode, 629 00:37:07.030 --> 00:37:09.949 And he starts really getting kind of sweaty and, um, 630 00:37:10.269 --> 00:37:12.369 a little bit more emphatic and that kind of stuff. 631 00:37:12.769 --> 00:37:15.130 I leaned over to my wife and I, I, I 632 00:37:15.190 --> 00:37:18.690 literally said a Starfleet Admiral would never do that. He 633 00:37:18.730 --> 00:37:22.699 must've been drugged. And then it was like five minutes 634 00:37:22.739 --> 00:37:25.320 later in the episode, we found out that he was drugged. Um, 635 00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:28.179 so that was, that tells me that that was fantastic acting, right? 636 00:37:28.219 --> 00:37:32.139 Because we, we saw it happen and we believed that 637 00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:34.550 it was happening. So anyway, I love that. Um, So 638 00:37:34.590 --> 00:37:36.789 the whole A story was fantastic. I loved all of 639 00:37:36.849 --> 00:37:40.210 the performances. The B story was really fun for me. 640 00:37:40.610 --> 00:37:45.010 I liked that you start with the trope of sending 641 00:37:45.050 --> 00:37:48.210 all your most important people down together because that's what 642 00:37:48.250 --> 00:37:51.960 you do. I loved the fact, as soon as there 643 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.179 were Andorians, you know, at first I was wondering if 644 00:37:54.219 --> 00:37:56.699 it was going to be another sort of just like, 645 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:00.719 I don't know, just another little pirate story. And I 646 00:38:00.739 --> 00:38:02.820 guess maybe in some ways it was a pirate story. 647 00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:05.880 I just felt like sorry, did you say something, Jim? 648 00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:11.570 Oh, I, we lost you for a moment. We lost you. 649 00:38:11.829 --> 00:38:12.110 Oh, okay. 650 00:38:12.570 --> 00:38:13.170 Uh, sorry. 651 00:38:13.429 --> 00:38:14.050 I'm, I'm here. 652 00:38:14.070 --> 00:38:16.690 Uh, I was just going to say that, uh, in 653 00:38:16.750 --> 00:38:19.190 some ways it was like just a pirate story, but 654 00:38:19.329 --> 00:38:22.170 it wasn't because the pirates weren't attacking, right? The pirates 655 00:38:22.230 --> 00:38:24.329 were being the jailers and they were sort of holding 656 00:38:24.369 --> 00:38:27.840 these people and forcing Uhura to do, uh, the things 657 00:38:27.889 --> 00:38:29.380 that they needed to be done so that they could 658 00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:33.059 then pirate more. Um, And I also leaned over to 659 00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:34.739 my wife and I said, what's going on with these? 660 00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:36.440 Before we learned that they were pirates, I said, what's 661 00:38:36.460 --> 00:38:39.699 going on with these Andorians? They're members of Starfleet. And 662 00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:43.110 then they just explained that. So all the little details 663 00:38:43.210 --> 00:38:45.150 in there, I'm telling you all this to say that 664 00:38:45.230 --> 00:38:47.690 all the little details in the writing of this episode 665 00:38:47.750 --> 00:38:50.170 to me added up to a much better episode. They 666 00:38:50.190 --> 00:38:53.230 paid attention to the fact that we're smart and that 667 00:38:53.250 --> 00:38:55.929 we are going to be asking ourselves questions during the episode. 668 00:38:55.969 --> 00:38:59.289 And they preemptively answered a lot of those questions, um, 669 00:38:59.820 --> 00:39:04.360 which I thought was great. So it was personally exactly 670 00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:06.519 what I want from a Star Trek episode. I don't 671 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:11.340 necessarily want gimmicks. I don't want scary horror. I want 672 00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:16.329 a complex, well-written narrative that tells great character stories. We 673 00:39:16.349 --> 00:39:18.769 get to see fun moments like Uhura totally kicking ass. 674 00:39:18.789 --> 00:39:22.190 That was really cool. We get to see moments of, 675 00:39:23.429 --> 00:39:25.530 you know, we're sort of joking about it, but like, 676 00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:28.130 Pike taking an all-woman team, right? This is Star Trek 677 00:39:28.150 --> 00:39:30.119 in the 21st century. I'm so excited that we get 678 00:39:30.139 --> 00:39:34.260 to experience a different type of Star Trek. So anyway, 679 00:39:35.059 --> 00:39:37.619 absolutely love this episode. It was an absolute 10 from me. 680 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:39.769 It's my favorite of the season so far. 681 00:39:41.769 --> 00:39:44.369 You know what, Eric? One of the things that I 682 00:39:44.530 --> 00:39:47.349 really liked about it, you remember when Pike came on 683 00:39:47.389 --> 00:39:52.360 Discovery in season two? When we reviewed that episode, we 684 00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:54.539 all collectively agreed that one of the things that we 685 00:39:54.579 --> 00:39:57.739 really liked about Pike at that– Pike was a different character, 686 00:39:57.780 --> 00:39:58.860 I think, on Discovery. 687 00:39:59.219 --> 00:40:02.360 He's really different on Strange New World than he was 688 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:03.000 on Discovery. 689 00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:05.699 But when he came on Discovery, the first thing he did, 690 00:40:05.739 --> 00:40:07.980 the thing that we all liked about

him, was. 691 00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:09.599 He knew the crew. 692 00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:12.360 And he named them by names. 693 00:40:13.469 --> 00:40:15.980 And this guy did the same thing. And when he 694 00:40:16.019 --> 00:40:18.039 first came on the show, I was like, well, I 695 00:40:18.099 --> 00:40:23.539 like this guy. He reminds me of Pike from Discovery. And, 696 00:40:24.420 --> 00:40:28.500 you know, which is great. But then he quickly soured. 697 00:40:29.420 --> 00:40:32.260 But the fact that I liked him at first and 698 00:40:32.300 --> 00:40:35.500 thought he was a good guy and believed him is 699 00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:37.739 just a sign of good writing and good acting. 700 00:40:38.980 --> 00:40:42.179 Yeah, here's what I will say. I completely agree with 701 00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:44.619 everything you just said. The one thing I'll say about 702 00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:48.320 his admiral story is. 703 00:40:48.340 --> 00:40:48.420 I. 704 00:40:50.420 --> 00:40:52.139 Guess it was kind of cool that they wove the 705 00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:55.440 George Kirk story into his story, but what it did 706 00:40:55.539 --> 00:40:57.940 was that it took away the fact that he could 707 00:40:57.980 --> 00:41:01.300 really be a good admiral doing a bad thing. Because 708 00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:04.199 by giving him this backstory of being a guy who 709 00:41:04.260 --> 00:41:07.320 has held this secret for all these years, Now you 710 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:09.409 just know that he's a bad guy. And so it just, 711 00:41:09.489 --> 00:41:12.630 you know, it makes him a slightly less interesting bad 712 00:41:12.769 --> 00:41:15.389 admiral when he's not a good guy doing a bad thing. 713 00:41:15.670 --> 00:41:19.809 But when he's maybe really just making bad decisions on 714 00:41:19.849 --> 00:41:20.849 a regular basis. 715 00:41:20.989 --> 00:41:28.719 I don't know. I agree completely. Charles, I guess you're 716 00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:31.179 next on this train. All right. 717 00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:34.239 Kind of got notes over here I can look at. 718 00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:38.679 I thought, okay, first thing I put in my notes. 719 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:41.820 I heard that Pike and Una were off the ship 720 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:43.420 when the Admiral arrived. 721 00:41:44.099 --> 00:41:45.599 I thought, interesting coincidence. 722 00:41:45.699 --> 00:41:50.469 It's like, okay, the main commanding officers were not there 723 00:41:50.969 --> 00:41:55.329 when the Admiral popped in. Interesting coincidence, or do you 724 00:41:55.369 --> 00:41:57.170 have an idea what was going on? 725 00:41:59.869 --> 00:42:00.670 Question of, if. 726 00:42:00.650 --> 00:42:03.949 You take over a ship and leave crew on board 727 00:42:03.969 --> 00:42:04.130 a planet. 728 00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:08.920 Do you sit there and just say, oh, we're leaving, bye, 729 00:42:09.860 --> 00:42:12.179 and not even let the crew that's on the planet 730 00:42:12.340

--> 00:42:13.260 know you're leaving? 731 00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.579 I thought that was like. 732 00:42:15.780 --> 00:42:19.929 Okay, I don't know if any captain would abandon crew 733 00:42:19.989 --> 00:42:23.650 members without at least letting them know. 734 00:42:24.909 --> 00:42:29.210 They did say that they were dropping a buoy. So 735 00:42:29.250 --> 00:42:30.510 they were going to. 736 00:42:30.409 --> 00:42:33.570 Be in the second that they came out. If Kirk 737 00:42:33.610 --> 00:42:38.039 hadn't said anything, he wouldn't have done that. And Pike 738 00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:39.800 could have gone up there and it's like, okay, I'm 739 00:42:39.860 --> 00:42:40.460 beam me up. 740 00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:45.099 Where's my ship. What happened to my ship? 741 00:42:47.489 --> 00:42:49.170 I think it was a little, that was the first 742 00:42:49.269 --> 00:42:52.030 clue right there with him when the, when the Admiral 743 00:42:52.050 --> 00:42:54.969 would sit there and say, okay, I'm not worried about 744 00:42:54.989 --> 00:42:55.510 the captain. 745 00:42:58.099 --> 00:43:01.619 A couple of interesting notes on this one. Episode writer 746 00:43:01.820 --> 00:43:02.739 Alan B. 747 00:43:04.380 --> 00:43:07.679 McElroy took credit for the final title in this episode 748 00:43:07.699 --> 00:43:14.980 of the podcast, Open Pike Night. McElroy said in the 749 00:43:15.059 --> 00:43:17.440 pitch that as a placeholder of the title of this 750 00:43:17.500 --> 00:43:23.670 episode was Bad Admiral. So I thought it funny that 751 00:43:23.690 --> 00:43:27.710 they had the term Bad Admiral in there. The title 752 00:43:27.730 --> 00:43:30.730 is a play on words as a term order of 753 00:43:30.789 --> 00:43:34.699 magnitude refers to the difference between the numbers, but could 754 00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:38.119 also be taken as a reference to command of general importance. 755 00:43:41.300 --> 00:43:43.239 Thought that was an interesting take on that. 756 00:43:44.900 --> 00:43:49.610 Interesting use of, which I didn't realize it hadn't been 757 00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:53.210 used that much, is the use of Starfleet Order 104, 758 00:43:53.210 --> 00:43:57.929 Section C. or as I looked it up, B and C, 759 00:43:59.389 --> 00:44:02.889 where you can remove a captain or. 760 00:44:02.929 --> 00:44:06.110 Officer due to their mental condition. 761 00:44:09.550 --> 00:44:13.789 The planetary story with Pike, I wasn't as big a 762 00:44:13.869 --> 00:44:18.489 fan of that one other than, okay, we're kind of 763 00:44:18.530 --> 00:44:23.010 getting Una the promotion, but I wasn't really sure. 764 00:44:26.070 --> 00:44:27.269 How did that quite fit in? 765 00:44:27.309 --> 00:44:32.150 We got a good action scene with Uhura, but just 766 00:44:32.190 --> 00:44:36.409 interesting how they did it. I'm wondering if this is 767 00:44:36.510 --> 00:44:39.760 also just a help for Mbega's exit. 768 00:44:41.860 --> 00:44:42.639 As you said with. 769 00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:44.739 Chapel, that. 770 00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:51.260 The relationship between Mbega and Chapel is kind of deteriorating. 771 00:44:53.179 --> 00:44:54.980 And we wonder if this might be some way of 772 00:44:55.019 --> 00:44:58.039 an exit for Embega to try moving on. 773 00:45:02.300 --> 00:45:08.409 Interesting use of court design, which, why does. 774 00:45:08.289 --> 00:45:11.949 That kind of affect me? Well, gee, I just got 775 00:45:11.989 --> 00:45:14.050 to see City and the Edge of Forever on the 776 00:45:14.090 --> 00:45:19.289 big screen. And that's the episode where they were able 777 00:45:19.309 --> 00:45:22.869 to take a small amount and give it to Sulu 778 00:45:22.989 --> 00:45:26.559 and Sulu was okay. You gave too much of a 779 00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:33.199 dose and McCoy went almost mad. So in this case, 780 00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:40.059 they gave just enough for the Admiral to slowly go crazy, 781 00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:47.090 but it took more time on this one than I thought. Also, 782 00:45:47.190 --> 00:45:49.469 as Jim said about the fact that he knew all 783 00:45:49.510 --> 00:45:54.099 his crew members, but yet he had a tendency not 784 00:45:54.139 --> 00:45:57.880 to want to take suggestions from his crew, which is 785 00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:01.929 the one thing we enjoy seeing from Pike is the 786 00:46:02.010 --> 00:46:06.730 fact that, okay, Pike wants options. He'll ask his crew 787 00:46:06.849 --> 00:46:10.409 opinions to how to help out with it. Whereas the 788 00:46:10.550 --> 00:46:12.550 Admiral was more of the point is like, he'll take, 789 00:46:12.929 --> 00:46:15.690 he'll take comments, but he wants to go with what's 790 00:46:15.809 --> 00:46:21.449 his decision. And which kind of leads to showing of 791 00:46:22.070 --> 00:46:26.909 him being supposedly the big hero. And in truth, finding 792 00:46:26.989 --> 00:46:31.340 out what's happened. How much of a hero the Admiral 793 00:46:31.489 --> 00:46:35.900 wasn't for what he did, but took credit for the situation. 794 00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:44.380 So with this one, I'm going to go with a nine. 795 00:46:45.829 --> 00:46:48.829 I think that main story was very good. I think 796 00:46:48.849 --> 00:46:51.010 the B story could have used some work. 797 00:46:54.019 --> 00:46:57.380 And as usual, Paul, you get to bring up the 798 00:46:57.420 --> 00:46:58.579 caboose on this one, buddy. 799 00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:04.829 Okay. Well, you know, sometimes I'm a little rough on 800 00:47:04.869 --> 00:47:07.889 these episodes, right? There've been some turkeys this year for me, 801 00:47:08.010 --> 00:47:12.090 but this one was really, really well, well, well produced. Again, no, 802 00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:15.440 pole position for me the writing i thought the writing 803 00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:18.900 was incredibly strong on here um really really great you 804 00:47:18.940 --> 00:47:23.780 know old school uh the best star treks i think

805 00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:27.139 typically they're moral dilemmas right where we run into those 806 00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:29.880 kind of morality play situations and that's what we got 807 00:47:29.900 --> 00:47:35.659 going on here in a realistic dynamic right cannot even 808 00:47:35.739 --> 00:47:40.000 begin to say enough good stuff about joe morton I 809 00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:42.599 remember Joe Morton going back, and I don't even know 810 00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:45.860 what year it was. I think it was probably like 811 00:47:45.860 --> 00:47:48.619 1983 or 1984, an early John Sayles movie called The 812 00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:52.840 Brother from Another Planet, where he plays an alien who's 813 00:47:53.500 --> 00:48:00.000 maroon on Earth. It's a performance without speech. He plays 814 00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.199 a mute alien. He doesn't speak for the entire thing. 815 00:48:02.769 --> 00:48:05.869 But he is completely conveying so many emotions. He's just 816 00:48:05.909 --> 00:48:08.409 a very expressive actor. He does an incredible job. And 817 00:48:08.449 --> 00:48:11.800 of course, a lot of people first saw Joe Morton 818 00:48:11.949 --> 00:48:15.719 in Terminator 2 Judgment Day, where he's Miles Dyson, the 819 00:48:15.780 --> 00:48:17.199 father of AI, if. 820 00:48:17.179 --> 00:48:18.039 You will, right? 821 00:48:18.139 --> 00:48:23.139 So very interesting in this day and age to consider 822 00:48:23.219 --> 00:48:28.780 Miles Dyson and his fate. phenomenal performance here. And I 823 00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.690 would say the same thing for Paul Wesley as Kirk. 824 00:48:31.789 --> 00:48:33.409 I mean, they just really got a chance to play 825 00:48:33.449 --> 00:48:36.409 off of each other really, really well. I thought it 826 00:48:36.530 --> 00:48:40.869 was a really interesting dynamic between Kirk and La'an as well, 827 00:48:41.389 --> 00:48:43.610 with everything that's been going on in the past between them, 828 00:48:44.510 --> 00:48:47.130 you know, because we don't have Kirk on board the 829 00:48:47.150 --> 00:48:49.650 Enterprise regularly yet. Every now and then he does, but 830 00:48:49.690 --> 00:48:51.989 we haven't had a lot of him this season, right? 831 00:48:52.110 --> 00:48:54.309 So it's been really interesting to see the dynamic when 832 00:48:54.349 --> 00:48:58.989 folks are reunited and There's some distance and space between people. Again, 833 00:48:59.030 --> 00:49:01.110 they don't always have the same reaction. So I think 834 00:49:01.130 --> 00:49:06.869 that's been quite interesting to explore. I thought the secondary 835 00:49:06.909 --> 00:49:10.829 story in the caves was actually really good. I really 836 00:49:10.849 --> 00:49:13.630 thought that was engaging. I mean, it is a lot 837 00:49:13.670 --> 00:49:18.550 of core characters together, but I thought it worked, right? 838 00:49:18.690 --> 00:49:20.800 I thought they were nobly going on. this rescue mission, 839 00:49:20.920 -->

00:49:24.400 that everything just goes south. And I thought it was 840 00:49:24.659 --> 00:49:28.199 interestingly done. Really great. I forget the name of the 841 00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:30.449 actor who played the main Romulan, but I thought he 842 00:49:30.469 --> 00:49:34.309 did a really good job of being a very nefarious 843 00:49:34.369 --> 00:49:37.329 villain and quite, in his way, charming. 844 00:49:37.869 --> 00:49:38.070 Right. 845 00:49:38.329 --> 00:49:39.489 And so I thought that was really good. 846 00:49:39.710 --> 00:49:42.320 But I really thought the the. 847 00:49:42.469 --> 00:49:45.840 No one's really talking about the dynamic between Cadet Asha 848 00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:47.420 and Uvura a lot. 849 00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:47.760 Right. 850 00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:52.400 I thought that that was really interesting to explore. Uvura 851 00:49:52.460 --> 00:49:54.880 really sees herself as she wants to be a mentor 852 00:49:54.980 --> 00:49:58.860 for this recruit. And the recruit basically wants nothing to 853 00:49:58.900 --> 00:50:02.760 do with it. But when the time comes and kind 854 00:50:02.780 --> 00:50:04.719 of a bit of a surprise there, I'm assuming she's 855 00:50:05.019 --> 00:50:05.739 speaking the truth. 856 00:50:05.820 --> 00:50:05.960 Right. 857 00:50:05.980 --> 00:50:06.860 Because she's a Vulcan. 858 00:50:06.889 --> 00:50:07.260 Right. 859 00:50:07.710 --> 00:50:09.309 At the end, she says, you know what? I'm out. 860 00:50:09.650 --> 00:50:13.449 This is Cadet Asha, right? I'm leaving. This is not 861 00:50:13.469 --> 00:50:14.789 what I bargained for. This is not what I want 862 00:50:14.829 --> 00:50:16.909 to do. I'm leaving. Thanks for trying to mentor me. But, 863 00:50:17.170 --> 00:50:20.510 you know, go F yourself. I'm leaving. And so as 864 00:50:20.550 --> 00:50:22.070 soon as, you know, she wants nothing to do with 865 00:50:22.110 --> 00:50:25.610 her as a mentor. But as soon as things go wrong, 866 00:50:26.309 --> 00:50:28.389 her mentor is the first person she's going to blame. 867 00:50:28.909 --> 00:50:29.130 Right. 868 00:50:29.429 --> 00:50:32.750 That was really interesting. I don't know if we'll see 869 00:50:32.789 --> 00:50:35.389 her again or if she's just done with this episode. 870 00:50:35.409 --> 00:50:38.010 She has the near-death experience, thanks to the Romulans and 871 00:50:38.030 --> 00:50:43.469 their crazy mineral attack and whatnot. But it's pretty traumatic 872 00:50:43.510 --> 00:50:47.400 and well done. And I just thought Celia Rose Gooding 873 00:50:47.420 --> 00:50:49.440 was amazing in this, as it were. I thought she 874 00:50:49.460 --> 00:50:52.960 just did a kick-ass job. Not just the physicality, but 875 00:50:52.980 --> 00:50:55.960 I just thought her performance was really, really good. Because 876 00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:59.360 she's trying to be really empathetic and then she basically 877 00:50:59.420 --> 00:51:05.769 has to trick the Romulans that she's going to break ranks. Sorry, 878 00:51:05.789 --> 00:51:10.309 did I say Romulans? Sorry. It's been a long week, man. 879 00:51:10.429 --> 00:51:13.969 I'll tell you. She has to trick the Andorians into 880 00:51:14.269 --> 00:51:17.469 thinking that she's going to betray her values just to 881 00:51:17.510 --> 00:51:20.320 save someone's life, but it's all this thing she's sort 882 00:51:20.340 --> 00:51:22.340 of worked out so she can get close to the equipment, 883 00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:25.800 which is really good. And I'm assuming this whole cloaked 884 00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:28.039 ship that we're referring to is going to be basically 885 00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:32.690 the cloaked... bird of prey from Balance of Terror, right? 886 00:51:32.750 --> 00:51:35.610 I mean, they don't really, you know, obviously can't say it, 887 00:51:35.829 --> 00:51:38.969 but it sort of seems like we're pointing in that direction, right? 888 00:51:39.010 --> 00:51:41.820 Because I thought it was really deftly handled because, you know, 889 00:51:42.340 --> 00:51:46.239 Kirk has some familiarity with that in Balance of Terror 890 00:51:46.260 --> 00:51:48.800 where it seems like he's, you know, there's been some 891 00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:53.840 scuttlebutt amongst the ranks, right? At Starfleet Command. So it 892 00:51:53.860 --> 00:51:56.019 seems like this fits really well with that without, you know, 893 00:51:56.619 --> 00:52:00.739 breaking anyone's, you know, cannon head wide open, right? So 894 00:52:00.780 --> 00:52:04.320 I thought that was a good fit there. Yeah, I 895 00:52:04.380 --> 00:52:07.840 just thought all those things were really, really interesting. You know, 896 00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:12.230 Joe Morton in particular was just phenomenal. I gotta ask, though, 897 00:52:12.329 --> 00:52:15.030 I mean, unfortunately, I've only got a chance to watch 898 00:52:15.050 --> 00:52:19.590 this episode once. I really, really need to watch it. 899 00:52:20.030 --> 00:52:23.380 But did, I mean, was I getting the correct hit 900 00:52:23.500 --> 00:52:26.900 on Mabenga at the end that he knew George Kirk 901 00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.440 was basically had been set up the entire time. 902 00:52:29.980 --> 00:52:31.659 Yeah, absolutely. 903 00:52:32.019 --> 00:52:34.519 And then he was carrying that knowledge, right? And that 904 00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:38.139 basically that he knew Rieger had, you know, fucked everybody, 905 00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:40.690 you know, all these years. And I don't know, I 906 00:52:40.710 --> 00:52:44.429 don't know how you falsify records on a starship and 907 00:52:44.829 --> 00:52:46.849 that the technology, I think maybe one of our fans 908 00:52:46.909 --> 00:52:50.389 mentioned that, but, but even if he did manage to 909 00:52:50.449 --> 00:52:53.639 do that, I mean, why, why did Mbenga keep silent? 910 00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:56.110 this whole time, right? I think maybe that's going to 911 00:52:56.130 --> 00:52:58.489

be something that we get more of in subsequent episodes, 912 00:52:58.610 --> 00:52:59.909 is my hope. 913 00:53:00.309 --> 00:53:04.750 Well, Mimbinga also, I think in his kind of, in 914 00:53:04.789 --> 00:53:07.659 the wrap-up, he kind of explains it a little bit 915 00:53:08.059 --> 00:53:12.840 more from his perspective, like why he felt it needed 916 00:53:12.860 --> 00:53:15.400 to be kept a secret. It's one of these things 917 00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:19.590 where it's like, you keep the secret to protect X, right? 918 00:53:21.230 --> 00:53:22.650 Who is he protecting, though, man? 919 00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:25.940 I think it was the father of Cook, was it? 920 00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:32.519 No, I think it was Rieger. But I think what 921 00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:35.320 he said was he came back from the war and 922 00:53:35.340 --> 00:53:37.980 he was a hero and this and that. And he 923 00:53:38.019 --> 00:53:40.780 basically didn't want to piss all over the fact that 924 00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:44.519 they had made this guy into a hero. And so 925 00:53:44.579 --> 00:53:49.650 he kept it silent. And then I think... One of 926 00:53:49.670 --> 00:53:52.070 the things I'm getting from Mbenga is that he just 927 00:53:52.090 --> 00:53:56.269 carries so much guilt about so many different things, like 928 00:53:56.329 --> 00:53:58.250 from the war or whatever. And this is just another 929 00:53:58.329 --> 00:54:01.030 one of the things that he has just carried with him. 930 00:54:01.389 --> 00:54:04.179 And I feel like him getting out of Starfleet is 931 00:54:04.219 --> 00:54:06.480 a way for him to kind of release his guilt. 932 00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:10.300 And maybe we're seeing moments where he's trying to give 933 00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:12.579 up some of this stuff, get it off his chest. 934 00:54:13.460 --> 00:54:15.579 Yeah, but it just felt like it was against the... 935 00:54:16.110 --> 00:54:18.349 the picture I have of Mbenga as being like this 936 00:54:18.670 --> 00:54:20.829 hard ass from the Klingon war, right. Who would just, 937 00:54:20.949 --> 00:54:23.070 you know, do all these things or just, I think 938 00:54:23.110 --> 00:54:26.050 he would tell somebody who was lying to go after themselves. 939 00:54:26.130 --> 00:54:26.289 Right. 940 00:54:26.329 --> 00:54:28.389 So I'm just kind of like, I was really surprised. 941 00:54:28.429 --> 00:54:30.130 I was like, am I interpreting that? Right. I mean, 942 00:54:30.170 --> 00:54:32.510 why did he keep silent? The only reason I could 943 00:54:32.530 --> 00:54:35.840 think of would be like, if, uh, the, the Admiral 944 00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:37.590 had some dirt on it. 945 00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:38.320 Right. 946 00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:40.559 It's like, if you tell anybody, I'll, if you tell 947 00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:44.010 anybody the truth, I'll, I'll, tell everyone what you did, right? 948 00:54:44.030 --> 00:54:46.329 Maybe there was something like that, but I'm like, it 949 00:54:46.349 --> 00:54:48.769 seemed like a real, you know, they've got to deal 950 00:54:49.010 --> 00:54:49.550 more with that. 951 00:54:50.030 --> 00:54:53.190 I mean, what I got out of it, Paul, was 952 00:54:53.230 --> 00:54:57.570 that this, like, unfortunately we haven't gotten a good visual. 953 00:54:57.610 --> 00:55:00.070 We got some Klingon war stuff in discovery, right? But, 954 00:55:00.710 --> 00:55:03.320 but there's been a lot of talk about what used 955 00:55:03.340 --> 00:55:05.260 to happen back in the Klingon war by a lot 956 00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:08.039 of characters on this show, like Erica Ortega is, you know, 957 00:55:08.059 --> 00:55:09.559 and being as talked about and that kind of stuff. 958 00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:16.079 And because there are, exposating that rather than like showing 959 00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:19.619 it to us what it i think i think what 960 00:55:19.659 --> 00:55:23.260 it does is it takes away some of the like 961 00:55:23.449 --> 00:55:27.090 background information so it so if i imagine okay starfleet 962 00:55:27.170 --> 00:55:30.630 as a society federation as a society is completely thrown 963 00:55:30.670 --> 00:55:33.090 into chaos by this war like ships are getting blown 964 00:55:33.210 --> 00:55:35.409 up there's klingons like it literally takes all of their 965 00:55:35.489 --> 00:55:38.090 energy to fight this klingon war and then they have 966 00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:40.309 this massive victory. I don't know if it was the 967 00:55:40.349 --> 00:55:43.090 defining victory or what, but they have this massive victory, 968 00:55:43.469 --> 00:55:46.769 and the person comes back, and there's a hero. And 969 00:55:46.909 --> 00:55:51.789 the entire society is already behind the hero as that 970 00:55:51.869 --> 00:55:55.250 figurehead and symbol that they actually finally triumphed over the Klingons. 971 00:55:56.110 --> 00:55:58.699 So part of the calculus that Mbenga does in his 972 00:55:58.739 --> 00:56:01.099 head is, okay, is it worse for me to tell 973 00:56:01.139 --> 00:56:04.159 the truth and be like, no, no, no, no, it's 974 00:56:04.219 --> 00:56:08.170 actually this guy over here Or is it, or is 975 00:56:08.210 --> 00:56:10.309 it better to just kind of like let it, what's 976 00:56:10.349 --> 00:56:12.210 the harm of just letting it go? You know, that 977 00:56:12.550 --> 00:56:14.489 I think I could see a world in which somebody, 978 00:56:14.610 --> 00:56:18.389 even Mbenga would, would make that choice once again. I 979 00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:21.699 don't know if that's true, but that's the way. 980 00:56:21.659 --> 00:56:22.480 I read it. 981 00:56:22.619 --> 00:56:25.420 Let's not forget that this is not the first time 982 00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:26.380 Mbenga did this. 983 00:56:26.420 --> 00:56:28.000 He did it under the cloak of war. 984 00:56:28.019 --> 00:56:29.099 Well, that's what I'm saying. 985 00:56:29.659 --> 00:56:29.900 Yeah. 986 00:56:29.960 -->

00:56:30.179 Yeah. 987 00:56:30.219 --> 00:56:33.300 So, you know, done this before, so. 988 00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:36.559 Yeah. He's got a history of hiding things, right? 989 00:56:36.860 --> 00:56:40.000 Okay, all right. I think I need to ruminate. None 990 00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:41.960 of this is a critique. I think, to me, this 991 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:44.880 just is showing that I'm more engaged because I want 992 00:56:44.900 --> 00:56:46.380 to talk about it, right? Because I thought it was 993 00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:50.010 really interesting because it is a morality play, this show, right? 994 00:56:50.050 --> 00:56:53.300 And there's really interesting stuff going on. So I'm intrigued 995 00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:55.809 by all that, right? I think, to me, good writing. 996 00:56:55.849 --> 00:56:58.269 It's not black and white, and there's things going on. 997 00:56:58.329 --> 00:57:01.650 And so I'm really curious about how, you know, because 998 00:57:01.670 --> 00:57:03.449 I'm like, at the end of the episode, if I'm like, 999 00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:07.300 interpreted it right, you know, watching it. I'm like, fun, Jim, 1000 00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:09.480 Jim and Sam Kirk. I'm going to be like, you know, 1001 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:12.619 looking for a flight of stairs to push my benga down. Right. 1002 00:57:12.739 --> 00:57:15.210 I mean, I'm like, you know, fuck you, man. I mean, like, 1003 00:57:15.230 --> 00:57:17.909 you know, I'm, I'm going to, you know, lock you 1004 00:57:17.949 --> 00:57:22.449 in your sickbay and remove the oxygen. I mean, what, what, 1005 00:57:22.590 --> 00:57:24.909 what you did to our family. It's like, he's on the, 1006 00:57:24.949 --> 00:57:28.449 he's on the America list. Right. I mean, I don't know, but, uh, 1007 00:57:28.969 --> 00:57:31.050 None of this, like I said, it's just interesting. This 1008 00:57:31.110 --> 00:57:33.230 is a sign that you've been engaged when you're talking 1009 00:57:33.250 --> 00:57:35.710 about this and you're making up all these things. 1010 00:57:35.730 --> 00:57:40.329 I got something quick to ask because I don't remember this. 1011 00:57:41.650 --> 00:57:45.289 Did Mbenga idolize Rigo because he served with him during 1012 00:57:45.309 --> 00:57:48.769 the Klingon War? Was that another reason why he hid 1013 00:57:48.809 --> 00:57:51.530 the fact that he didn't want to fill the beans? 1014 00:57:52.510 --> 00:57:53.969 I kept thinking that was a line in the TV show. 1015 00:57:53.989 --> 00:57:56.880 I don't think so. I mean, I think if Mbenga's 1016 00:57:57.849 --> 00:58:01.050 anything he's not a guy who follows cult personality at 1017 00:58:01.150 --> 00:58:04.190 all so i i don't think that was part of 1018 00:58:04.210 --> 00:58:05.849 that yeah. 1019 00:58:06.329 --> 00:58:07.809 But i could go on and on but i just 1020 00:58:07.829 --> 00:58:09.550 thought this was like this is like you know the 1021 00:58:09.590 --> 00:58:12.389 breath of fresh air i had

been really needing um 1022 00:58:12.570 --> 00:58:16.750 you know i think that uh uh i'm trying to 1023 00:58:16.769 --> 00:58:18.730 remember the name of that episode from a couple weeks 1024 00:58:18.769 --> 00:58:24.489 ago um forgive me um thank you thank you jim 1025 00:58:24.510 --> 00:58:28.329 yeah off hour These two episodes together have been, like, 1026 00:58:28.389 --> 00:58:30.710 my favorites, right? They've just been really, really well done. 1027 00:58:31.030 --> 00:58:34.949 But this one, I think, to have, you know, I 1028 00:58:34.989 --> 00:58:37.500 just think that Rieger's, like, kind of amongst the pantheon 1029 00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:39.699 of great Star Trek characters, like, for kind of, like, 1030 00:58:39.739 --> 00:58:42.019 all time. I think he's, you know, like you say, 1031 00:58:42.059 --> 00:58:45.159 like Admiral Satie or, you know, any of those other 1032 00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:48.539 just classic characters that, you know, loom large and you 1033 00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:50.280 talk about for a long time. I think he's a 1034 00:58:50.780 --> 00:58:54.019 legendary character and a wonderful performance, so I got nothing 1035 00:58:54.039 --> 00:58:59.039 but love for this episode. Solid admiring 10 for me. 1036 00:58:59.460 --> 00:59:02.989 I thought it was really well done. I hope more 1037 00:59:03.050 --> 00:59:04.929 of this. I hope this is the kind of thing 1038 00:59:05.010 --> 00:59:09.969 we get more of in season six. Season five. Whatever. Whatever. 1039 00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:15.280 the next season is. No math, please. It's not my thing, but, 1040 00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:17.440 but yeah, I have more of that. I hope this 1041 00:59:17.500 --> 00:59:19.380 is the kind of tenor and tone that we're going 1042 00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:19.679 to have. 1043 00:59:19.699 --> 00:59:20.360 I hope so too. 1044 00:59:20.469 --> 00:59:25.469 I really like that. It was really, really, really well done. Character, character, character, right? 1045 00:59:25.530 --> 00:59:28.489 I mean, it's just so much about character through, uh, and, 1046 00:59:28.650 --> 00:59:31.300 and hard choices throughout the whole episode. Wonderful writing. 1047 00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:35.800 Well, while Charles is tabulating our skull, which is the 1048 00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:38.519 fan spark, I just want to say one thing that 1049 00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:41.639 I'm glad didn't happen because I was a little disappointed 1050 00:59:41.699 --> 00:59:44.809 is when they thought they were going to kill off Asha, 1051 00:59:45.349 --> 00:59:48.809 like they did with, uh, with, um, that other guy 1052 00:59:48.829 --> 00:59:50.989 that was going to be on the podcast, Dr. 1053 00:59:51.489 --> 00:59:58.070 Um, Ensign, whatever his name was. Um, and, uh, where 1054 00:59:58.110 --> 00:59:59.949 they blew his eyes out and killed him on his 1055 00:59:59.969 --> 01:00:02.269 first mission. I'm like, oh, no, if they kill Asher, 1056 01:00:02.289 --> 01:00:05.590 let's not go down that road. But they didn't, and 1057 01:00:05.849 --> 01:00:07.889 she came back and survived. 1058 01:00:07.909 --> 01:00:10.880 So I was glad about that, because I kind of 1059 01:00:10.900 --> 01:00:16.579 like her character. So, Charles, how did the Trexperts fare 1060 01:00:16.659 --> 01:00:18.380 against our fans? 1061 01:00:20.260 --> 01:00:21.519 One more thing. 1062 01:00:21.179 --> 01:00:23.489 While we're doing the episode. I was looking a little 1063 01:00:23.510 --> 01:00:28.670 bit up on Memory Alpha on Mbenga. And during the 1064 01:00:28.769 --> 01:00:32.670 TOS years, he was in two episodes and he was 1065 01:00:32.730 --> 01:00:34.309 a general physician. 1066 01:00:35.329 --> 01:00:38.409 He was under the CMO. So he still had a 1067 01:00:40.769 --> 01:00:44.679 field command when he was on the Enterprise in TOS. 1068 01:00:45.409 --> 01:00:48.659 So it'd be interesting to see what happens. 1069 01:00:50.579 --> 01:00:55.360 But as the fans gave us a 9.4, In the 1070 01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:58.840 unusual rarities, the host gave a 9.8. 1071 01:00:58.840 --> 01:00:59.099 Wow. 1072 01:00:59.380 --> 01:01:05.519 You're back to being stronger, higher than the fans. 1073 01:01:07.179 --> 01:01:07.599 Wow. 1074 01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:11.239 That is a rarity. Okay. So there you have it, guys. 1075 01:01:11.260 --> 01:01:14.659 That's our discussion on Orders of Magnitude. I hope you 1076 01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:18.389 enjoyed it. And now it's time to move on to 1077 01:01:18.550 --> 01:01:20.929 our sci-fi birthdays. 1078 01:01:38.690 --> 01:01:40.010 It was not a plain old song. 1079 01:01:42.710 --> 01:01:45.650 All right, guys, we always start off our sci-fi birthdays 1080 01:01:45.710 --> 01:01:48.869 by sadly enough remembering those members of our sci-fi family 1081 01:01:49.170 --> 01:01:51.510 who are no longer with us. And for that, we 1082 01:01:51.570 --> 01:01:52.369 turn to Aaron. 1083 01:01:53.340 --> 01:01:55.300 Yeah, Jim, this week we're going to start in the 1084 01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:59.579 beyond realm, and we're going to say happy birthday to 1085 01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:04.949 the actress Faye Ray. She's a Canadian-American-born actress, best known 1086 01:02:05.570 --> 01:02:10.510 for starring as Anne Darrow in the 1933 film King Kong. 1087 01:02:10.550 --> 01:02:16.329 But through her 60-year career plus, she actually attained international 1088 01:02:16.369 --> 01:02:22.190 recognition in horror films. eventually becoming dubbed the first Scream Queen. 1089 01:02:22.230 --> 01:02:25.070 And you can see some of the movies that she 1090 01:02:25.110 --> 01:02:29.739 was in over the years on the screen there. So 1091 01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:36.079 what an actress, what a performance in King Kong. Happy 1092 01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:39.800 birthday to Faye Wright. Happy birthday as well to Richard 1093 01:02:39.889 --> 01:02:44.409 Bruce Hyde, the actor who played Lieutenant Kevin Reilly

in 1094 01:02:44.429 --> 01:02:48.610 the original series episode, The Naked Time, and also The 1095 01:02:48.690 --> 01:02:53.619 Conscience of the King. Overall, his on-screen acting career was 1096 01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:57.659 pretty brief, encompassing a grand total of nine TV guest 1097 01:02:57.699 --> 01:03:04.789 appearances from November 1965 to December 1966. But he's one 1098 01:03:04.809 --> 01:03:08.889 of my favorite Star Trek stories. He said, following, well, 1099 01:03:09.550 --> 01:03:12.050 this is a story about him. Following a role in 1100 01:03:12.070 --> 01:03:16.179 the musical Hair in San Francisco, Hyde decided to remain 1101 01:03:16.260 --> 01:03:18.679 in the city and step away from his acting career. 1102 01:03:18.739 --> 01:03:22.199 So this would have been 66, 67. He noted, I 1103 01:03:22.260 --> 01:03:24.519 played a hippie and I decided I wanted to be 1104 01:03:24.559 --> 01:03:26.840 a hippie instead of playing one. I was going to 1105 01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:29.800 get a Volkswagen bus and a big bag of brown 1106 01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:33.079 rice and go find God. And that's what I did. 1107 01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:39.170 But wait, the story doesn't stop there. Hyde eventually earned 1108 01:03:39.250 --> 01:03:43.349 a PhD in rhetoric and communication studies at the University 1109 01:03:43.449 --> 01:03:46.829 of Southern California and became chair of the theater film 1110 01:03:46.869 --> 01:03:50.989 studies and dance department at St. Cloud State University. He 1111 01:03:51.030 --> 01:03:54.960 also worked with the personal development educational company Landmark Education. 1112 01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:57.960 So sometimes you just got to go and sow your 1113 01:03:57.980 --> 01:04:00.579 wild oats to find what you're really meant to do 1114 01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:03.019 in life. And Bruce Hyde sounds like he was able 1115 01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:04.849 to do that. And I just, I love that story 1116 01:04:04.869 --> 01:04:08.369 about him. So happy birthday to Bruce Hyde, lost back 1117 01:04:08.469 --> 01:04:14.349 in 2015. Happy birthday this week to another Beyonder here, 1118 01:04:14.489 --> 01:04:21.250 Sam Neill, or otherwise known as Sir Nigel John Dermott Neill. Yes, 1119 01:04:21.389 --> 01:04:25.199 he's a New Zealand actor. And you might be saying 1120 01:04:25.219 --> 01:04:27.579 to yourself, wait a second, he's still making movies. And 1121 01:04:27.619 --> 01:04:32.340 that's not true anymore. Unfortunately, we lost him just back 1122 01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:35.219 in July. like literally a couple of months ago. So 1123 01:04:35.340 --> 01:04:37.300 sorry if I'm breaking the news to you, but we 1124 01:04:37.340 --> 01:04:41.590 did lose him July 13th, 2026. He came to International 1125 01:04:41.630 --> 01:04:46.550 Promise as Dr. Alan Grant in the Jurassic Park movie 1126 01:04:46.590 --> 01:04:49.570 from 1993. Of course, reprising that role later in Jurassic 1127 01:04:49.590 --> 01:04:51.070 Park 3 in 2001 and another one in 2022. He 1128 01:04:51.510 --> 01:04:59.059 portrayed Dr. William Weir in Event Horizon from 1997. And 1129 01:04:59.099 --> 01:05:03.519 on television, he portrayed Merlin in the miniseries Merlin from 1130 01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:08.219 1998 and Merlin's Apprentice from 2006. As I said, unfortunately, 1131 01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:10.449 we lost him just this past January to a rare 1132 01:05:10.530 --> 01:05:13.449 type of blood cancer. He did live with that diagnosis 1133 01:05:14.090 --> 01:05:18.230 for four years. So Sam Neill, we miss you, buddy. 1134 01:05:19.130 --> 01:05:22.010 Sorry that you left us this year and happy birthday 1135 01:05:22.050 --> 01:05:24.429 to you. We will always remember all your great roles. 1136 01:05:25.699 --> 01:05:28.199 And last but not least, I'd like to say happy 1137 01:05:28.219 --> 01:05:32.199 birthday to Sir Ian Holm. Yes, whose last name is 1138 01:05:32.260 --> 01:05:36.679 actually Cuthbert. Sir Ian Holm Cuthbert. But he goes, of course, 1139 01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:38.840 by Ian Holm or went by Ian Holm. He's the 1140 01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:42.469 English actor best known for his role, his roles as 1141 01:05:42.750 --> 01:05:46.889 Ash in 1979's film Alien, which I literally just saw 1142 01:05:46.949 --> 01:05:49.969 at the Hollywood the other night. As Vito Cornelius in 1143 01:05:50.010 --> 01:05:53.699 the 1997 science fiction action film The Fifth Element. And 1144 01:05:53.780 --> 01:05:57.030 as Bilbo Baggins in the trilogies Lord of the Ring 1145 01:05:57.070 --> 01:06:03.050 movies and The Hobbit, Battle of Five Armies being his 1146 01:06:03.210 --> 01:06:07.849 actual final film role. So what an actor. There are 1147 01:06:07.909 --> 01:06:09.510 so many other things that I would love to talk 1148 01:06:09.550 --> 01:06:11.070 about with Ian Holm, but I want to keep the 1149 01:06:11.110 --> 01:06:12.800 train moving a little bit. So let's just say that 1150 01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:16.579 we really appreciate his work as well. What an actor. 1151 01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:20.000 Sir Ian Holm would have had a birthday this week. 1152 01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:22.869 Happy birthday to him. And that does it for our 1153 01:06:22.929 --> 01:06:26.230 remembrances this week. So we are now going to go 1154 01:06:26.289 --> 01:06:27.949 and celebrate birthdays of the living. 1155 01:06:28.170 --> 01:06:28.690 Right, Charles? 1156 01:06:29.849 --> 01:06:30.730 Thank you, Eric. 1157 01:06:31.750 --> 01:06:36.880 Let's start off with Gia Sanhu, Canadian actress who played 1158 01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:39.679 T'Pring in Star Trek Strange New Worlds. 1159 01:06:40.380 --> 01:06:41.360 She reprised her. 1160 01:06:41.260 --> 01:06:46.469 Role in the VST Holiday Party. She graduated from the 1161 01:06:46.530 --> 01:06:53.710 National Theatre School of Canada. Happy birthday to Mary Crosby, 1162 01:06:54.650 --> 01:07:01.880 actress who played Tommy Lang in DS9'

s second season episode, 1163 01:07:01.929 --> 01:07:06.050 Profit and Loss. She is the daughter of singer Bing 1164 01:07:06.110 --> 01:07:08.539 Crosby and actress Catherine Crosby. 1165 01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:13.579 And it's the aunt of TNG actress Denise Crosby. And 1166 01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:15.179 she shot JR. 1167 01:07:17.239 --> 01:07:22.440 So I guess she made her definitely well-known appearance in Dallas. 1168 01:07:25.059 --> 01:07:30.579 Happy birthday, Callum. Keith Rene is an actress who played 1169 01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:33.500 Rainer in the fifth season of Discovery. 1170 01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:37.119 Oh, love him as the Admiral. 1171 01:07:37.139 --> 01:07:43.460 I've occasionally been quoted by one of my friends saying 1172 01:07:43.500 --> 01:07:45.860 that I look a lot like the Admiral. 1173 01:07:47.539 --> 01:07:55.139 So happy birthday, Callum. Happy birthday, Miku Martiniu. 1174 01:07:55.159 --> 01:07:59.440 She's an actress who played the young Phillip of Georgia 1175 01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:07.989 in Section 31. Happy birthday to Anita Richards, the American 1176 01:08:08.110 --> 01:08:11.530 film and television actress, artist, and producer. 1177 01:08:12.030 --> 01:08:19.170 She was born in September 11, 1979 in Healdsburg, Georgia. California. 1178 01:08:19.609 --> 01:08:25.380 Her role as Lex Murphy in Steven Spielberg's blockbuster Jurassic 1179 01:08:25.409 --> 01:08:30.699 Park catapulted Ariana into international celebrity as she appeared as 1180 01:08:30.779 --> 01:08:35.720 Mindy Sterngood in the first Tremors. Film and replies to 1181 01:08:35.739 --> 01:08:39.500 her role in the second sequel of Tremors, Tremors 3, 1182 01:08:39.500 --> 01:08:40.640 Back to Perfection. 1183 01:08:43.510 --> 01:08:50.239 Happy birthday, Roxanne Dawson. Best known for her portrayal as 1184 01:08:50.300 --> 01:08:57.970 Lieutenant Belaina Torres in Voyager. She also directed two episodes 1185 01:08:58.010 --> 01:09:03.520 of Voyager and 10 episodes of Enterprise. And last on 1186 01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:09.569 my list, happy birthday to Blue De Barrio, American actor 1187 01:09:09.609 --> 01:09:12.609 who appeared in Star Trek Discovery season three and four, 1188 01:09:13.149 --> 01:09:20.520 portraying Adiria Tall. Dubrow is a non-binary and uses the 1189 01:09:21.020 --> 01:09:22.859 pronouns they and them. 1190 01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:27.800 It was fun to see you on stage. 1191 01:09:29.460 --> 01:09:31.859 Paul, I'm going to pass the candle over to you 1192 01:09:32.619 --> 01:09:34.119 as I burn it down. Who else do you have 1193 01:09:34.189 --> 01:09:34.859 on your list? 1194 01:09:37.529 --> 01:09:40.170 Thank you, Charles. Well, let's get started here and see 1195 01:09:40.210 --> 01:09:43.250 who we've got. First of all, let's say happy birthday 1196 01:09:43.350 --> 01:09:49.359 to Tom Hardy. English actor who made his screen debut 1197 01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:53.840 in Ridley Scott's Black Hawk Down way back in 2001

1198 01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:58.529 and has been on an amazing trajectory ever, ever since. 1199 01:09:59.250 --> 01:10:01.010 Of course, we have to mention that he had a 1200 01:10:01.170 --> 01:10:04.430 role in Star Trek back in 2002 and Star Trek 1201 01:10:04.630 --> 01:10:09.779 Nemesis in that movie. And he later grew to tremendous 1202 01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:14.020 prominence in In the Mad Max Fury Road picture from 1203 01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:18.279 George Miller, which is amazing. Fury Road is an astonishing movie, 1204 01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:22.979 absolute action cinema at the highest level. He got a 1205 01:10:23.039 --> 01:10:27.159 nomination for Academy Award Best Supporting Actor for his performance 1206 01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:30.890 as John Fitzgerald in The Revenant. Has everyone seen The Revenant? 1207 01:10:31.010 --> 01:10:34.600 If not, you really, really should. The Revenant and Fury 1208 01:10:34.659 --> 01:10:37.560 Road are two of the best pictures ever. If you're 1209 01:10:37.579 --> 01:10:40.609 looking to test out a good 4K system and see 1210 01:10:40.630 --> 01:10:43.189 what 4K can do, those are movies you should start 1211 01:10:43.229 --> 01:10:45.270 with and make sure are in your collection. They are 1212 01:10:45.510 --> 01:10:50.229 pure cinema and absolutely amazing. He often collaborates with Christopher Nolan. 1213 01:10:50.890 --> 01:10:57.800 He was in both Inception and Dunkirk for Nolan. And 1214 01:10:57.840 --> 01:11:02.609 then he did an amazing body transformation movie. to play 1215 01:11:02.689 --> 01:11:06.640 the role of Bane in his Dark Knight Rises in 2012. 1216 01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:09.659 I mean, he's just crazy. Did this amazing thing with 1217 01:11:09.699 --> 01:11:13.010 the mask. Very challenging voice that he chose to use. 1218 01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:16.710 You would just never know it's either him. Amazing. He's 1219 01:11:16.729 --> 01:11:19.430 also done those Venom movies, which I will just briefly 1220 01:11:19.489 --> 01:11:23.189 glance over there rather than focus on that. If you 1221 01:11:23.229 --> 01:11:25.770 really want to see this guy doing his thing, okay, 1222 01:11:26.550 --> 01:11:30.100 Go back to early in his career. There is a 1223 01:11:30.149 --> 01:11:31.979 picture I urge you to seek out. If you want 1224 01:11:31.989 --> 01:11:34.460 to see what this guy can do as an actor, 1225 01:11:34.859 --> 01:11:38.439 you want to see a movie called Bronson. Bronson came 1226 01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:41.560 out in, I think it was 2008 or something like that, 1227 01:11:41.659 --> 01:11:43.659 earlier than some of the stuff we talked about. It 1228 01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:45.579 was an indie picture where he plays a guy who 1229 01:11:45.619 --> 01:11:52.119 was incarcerated for multiple life sentences. It is crazy. He 1230 01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:55.970 was in solitary confinement for, I think, 30 years or something. 1231 01:11:55.989 --> 01:11:59.489 I think it's Kind of loosely based on a true story, 1232 01:11:59.550 --> 01:12:04.449 but the performance is nuts. It's very theatrical, and if 1233 01:12:04.470 --> 01:12:07.130 you've never seen it, check it out. If you've only 1234 01:12:07.170 --> 01:12:10.750 seen the Venom movies, seeing this guy as a real 1235 01:12:10.789 --> 01:12:14.590 performer is just unbelievable. But yeah, go back and look 1236 01:12:14.630 --> 01:12:19.220 at Bronson. It's amazing. Happy birthday also to Barbara Bain, 1237 01:12:19.859 --> 01:12:24.329 actress from Chicago, Illinois. who is best known for playing 1238 01:12:24.350 --> 01:12:27.189 a couple of different roles that get science fiction fans 1239 01:12:27.329 --> 01:12:31.850 all excited. Simon Carter, way back in the early seasons 1240 01:12:31.909 --> 01:12:35.689 of Mission Impossible. And of course, many of us will 1241 01:12:35.729 --> 01:12:39.539 always think of Robert Payne as Dr. Helena Russell on 1242 01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:45.199 the cult British science fiction program from Gerry Anderson, Space 1999, 1243 01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:49.000 which is great. So absolutely very cool. Very from that 1244 01:12:49.060 --> 01:12:54.239 kind of... Icy, late 50s, 60s bombshell vibe that she 1245 01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:59.329 always had. But very cool, amazing performer. Really interesting. Was 1246 01:12:59.350 --> 01:13:01.510 married to Martin Landau for a while. They played opposite 1247 01:13:01.550 --> 01:13:03.909 each other quite a bit. A lot of roles in 1248 01:13:03.930 --> 01:13:08.789 the 60s. But Space 1999, sorry, Barbara, you're always going 1249 01:13:08.810 --> 01:13:11.189 to be there. You're never going to escape Moonbase Alpha. 1250 01:13:11.880 --> 01:13:14.319 It's just the best. You know what's. 1251 01:13:14.199 --> 01:13:16.520 Great about that, Paul? What? 1252 01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:21.779 Well, her birthday is September 13th. Why is that date 1253 01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:24.399 relevant to space 1999? 1254 01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:27.170 Because, Uncle Jim, that's the day that the moon was 1255 01:13:27.329 --> 01:13:32.869 blasted out of Earth orbit on September 13th, 1999, this episode, right? 1256 01:13:32.970 --> 01:13:36.689 That's right. Her birth started the whole thing. 1257 01:13:37.930 --> 01:13:40.560 So what you're saying is if you're looking for someone 1258 01:13:40.579 --> 01:13:43.500 to really blame for the moon being blasted out of 1259 01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:46.180 Earth orbit, don't point your finger at Commissioner Simmons. Point 1260 01:13:46.220 --> 01:13:47.880 it at Barbara Vane, right? 1261 01:13:48.420 --> 01:13:49.939 Yes, exactly. 1262 01:13:51.029 --> 01:13:53.090 So there you go. But happy birthday. She's still out 1263 01:13:53.109 --> 01:13:55.369 there doing the convention circuit, right? I still see her 1264 01:13:55.390 --> 01:13:58.029 every now and then in some of the Jerry Anderson 1265 01:13:58.069 --> 01:14:01.520 pages on frequenting, where you still see

her at these things, 1266 01:14:01.619 --> 01:14:04.939 signing away, doing her thing. So it's great. Happy birthday 1267 01:14:04.960 --> 01:14:08.840 to Susan Gibney from California, who, of course, played Dr. 1268 01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:12.439 Leah Brahms in Next Generation's third and fourth season episode, 1269 01:14:12.460 --> 01:14:17.000 Booby Trap and Galaxy's Child, where she's kind of the. 1270 01:14:18.619 --> 01:14:22.300 Can I say it? Inspirational crush for Geordi LaForge? I 1271 01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:23.960 think that might be sort of the way I would 1272 01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:30.229 describe Susan Gibney. And unwilling Holodeck participants, perhaps we should 1273 01:14:30.430 --> 01:14:35.130 also say that. But yeah, and she also appeared as 1274 01:14:35.189 --> 01:14:38.729 Benteen in Deep Space Nine fourth season episodes Homefront and 1275 01:14:38.770 --> 01:14:42.850 Paradise Lost, and reprised her role as Leia Brahms in 1276 01:14:42.890 --> 01:14:46.319 Lower Decks third season episode Mining the Mind's Minds. Try 1277 01:14:46.340 --> 01:14:48.310 to say that after a few beers, if you will. 1278 01:14:49.390 --> 01:14:51.989 And let's talk about legends, living legends, if we can, 1279 01:14:52.029 --> 01:14:54.890 because we've got a big one that just recently came 1280 01:14:54.930 --> 01:14:58.270 down the pipe here. The great Walter Koenig, who is 1281 01:14:58.390 --> 01:15:02.720 now 90, if you can believe it. That's wild. Actor 1282 01:15:02.770 --> 01:15:05.479 and writer best known for playing Pavel Chekhov on the 1283 01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:10.340 original series and the first seven Star Trek films. Wow. 1284 01:15:10.880 --> 01:15:13.739 He was the only original cast member not to lend 1285 01:15:13.779 --> 01:15:17.979 his voice to the animated series due to unfortunate budgetary reasons, 1286 01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:21.310 though he still contributed to the series by writing the 1287 01:15:21.359 --> 01:15:24.949 episode The Infinite Vulcan, which is very cool. Besides his 1288 01:15:24.970 --> 01:15:27.350 work on Star Trek, he's also super well known for 1289 01:15:27.430 --> 01:15:32.270 playing his role as villainous psyops cop Alfred Bester, a 1290 01:15:32.310 --> 01:15:35.829 character named after a very famous science fiction writer, on 1291 01:15:35.869 --> 01:15:40.319 Babylon 5, a terrific series that... pretty sure someone's working 1292 01:15:40.380 --> 01:15:43.100 on getting that restored for HD, I think so, or 1293 01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:46.439 maybe even needing some effects redone. Babylon 5 is really cool. 1294 01:15:46.619 --> 01:15:49.020 I think it doesn't get the credit it deserves. A 1295 01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:53.140 whole world-building phenomena going on there. He starred in a 1296 01:15:53.300 --> 01:15:58.670 picture called Moontrap, also, where he played Colonel Jason Grant, 1297 01:15:58.729 --> 01:16:02.689 an astronaut who takes on a sentient machine on the moon, 1298 01:16:02.770 --> 01:16:04.350 which is really cool. I haven't seen Moontrap in a 1299 01:16:04.369 --> 01:16:06.010 long time. Kind of makes me want to go and 1300 01:16:06.050 --> 01:16:08.819 watch that again. So, really cool You know, there's a 1301 01:16:08.859 --> 01:16:12.300 lot of cool movies we forget about, and then when 1302 01:16:12.340 --> 01:16:14.619 we think about them again after an amount of time 1303 01:16:14.659 --> 01:16:18.439 has passed, suddenly they become very rosy memories, and we 1304 01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:21.300 want to go revisit them again. Is that a good 1305 01:16:21.340 --> 01:16:22.699 enough segue for you, Uncle Jim? 1306 01:16:23.699 --> 01:16:27.039 I think that's absolutely perfect. Thank you so much, Paul. 1307 01:16:27.060 --> 01:16:29.119 I think I'm going to have to get together with 1308 01:16:29.159 --> 01:16:31.739 David and come up with some type of movie of 1309 01:16:31.779 --> 01:16:32.939 the week intro. 1310 01:16:33.699 --> 01:16:35.819 We'll work on that for next time. But anyways. 1311 01:16:38.020 --> 01:16:40.460 Let's talk about some movies that were released this week 1312 01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:42.279 and then Uncle Jeff's movie pick. 1313 01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:42.500 Of the week. 1314 01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:45.500 We're going to start off first with Freddy's Dead, The 1315 01:16:45.779 --> 01:16:50.949 Final Nightmare. It was released on September 13, 1991. It's 1316 01:16:50.989 --> 01:16:54.390 an American 3D slasher film and the sixth installment in 1317 01:16:54.409 --> 01:16:57.590 the Nightmare on Elm Street franchise. And it was promoted 1318 01:16:57.689 --> 01:17:01.180 as the final movie, prompting Los Angeles to declare it 1319 01:17:01.260 --> 01:17:04.939 the official Freddy Krueger Day. I got a chance to 1320 01:17:04.979 --> 01:17:09.050 see this in 3D with the Redding family. blue glasses, 1321 01:17:09.130 --> 01:17:11.829 and it was freaky. Pretty freaky, but I'll let you 1322 01:17:11.850 --> 01:17:14.689 guys on a secret. It wasn't the final Friday. He 1323 01:17:14.729 --> 01:17:19.510 came back several more times after that. So, Freddie's dead 1324 01:17:19.890 --> 01:17:23.859 September 13, 1991. Next on the list, we're going to 1325 01:17:23.899 --> 01:17:28.899 go way, way, way back to The Little Shop of Horrors. 1326 01:17:28.939 --> 01:17:34.079 This is the original now. Released on September 14, 1960. 1327 01:17:34.079 --> 01:17:37.699 An American black comedy horror film directed by Roger Corman. 1328 01:17:37.739 --> 01:17:41.470 There's that name again. Written by Charles B. Griffith. The 1329 01:17:41.489 --> 01:17:45.140 film is a farce about an inadequate florist. 1330 01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:48.680 Assistant who cultivates a plant that feeds on human flesh 1331 01:17:48.939 --> 01:17:54.199 and blood. The film stars Jonathan Hayes, Jackie Josephs, Mel Wells, 1332 01:17:54.300 --> 01:17:58.489 Dick Miller, and Jack Nicholson as a small but memorable

1333 01:17:58.529 --> 01:18:02.970 role as Masonic dentist patient Wilbur Fork. 1334 01:18:03.010 --> 01:18:05.510 And there he is right there on the screen, the 1335 01:18:05.609 --> 01:18:08.270 original Little Shop of Horrors. 1336 01:18:09.020 --> 01:18:11.460 Next on our list, we're going to go even further 1337 01:18:11.539 --> 01:18:17.140 back in sci-fi history to The Day the Earth Stood Still. 1338 01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:23.810 It was released on September 15, 1951, directed by Robert Wise. 1339 01:18:23.949 --> 01:18:27.449 You guys should recognize that name, right? Star Trek, the 1340 01:18:27.510 --> 01:18:32.579 motion picture. This legendary black and white classic is one 1341 01:18:32.600 --> 01:18:36.319 of the most culturally significant science fiction films ever made. 1342 01:18:36.850 --> 01:18:40.270 It follows a humanoid alien visitor named Klaatu and his 1343 01:18:40.329 --> 01:18:45.649 powerful robot counterpart Gorg, who land a flying saucer in Washington, D.C. 1344 01:18:46.010 --> 01:18:49.850 to deliver the ultimate humanity message regarding atomicity. 1345 01:18:50.539 --> 01:18:51.439 Warfare. 1346 01:18:51.880 --> 01:18:55.739 And there's the poster, the original 1951 poster right there 1347 01:18:56.399 --> 01:18:57.300 on your screen. 1348 01:18:58.420 --> 01:19:02.039 And last on our movies released this week, we have 1349 01:19:02.579 --> 01:19:10.449 Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, released on September 15, 2004. Finally, film, 1350 01:19:10.810 --> 01:19:14.430 shot almost entirely on digital black glass. It follows the 1351 01:19:14.449 --> 01:19:15.350 heroic pilot. 1352 01:19:15.430 --> 01:19:19.149 Jed Law, and a reporter, Gwyneth Paltrow, as they travel 1353 01:19:19.170 --> 01:19:22.369 the globe to stop a mad scientist and his army 1354 01:19:22.430 --> 01:19:27.539 of giants. And of all those movies, obviously, the movie 1355 01:19:27.560 --> 01:19:29.920 that I think you definitely should see if you're a 1356 01:19:29.979 --> 01:19:31.260 sci-fi fan. 1357 01:19:32.479 --> 01:19:35.920 I have to admit, I haven't watched this particular version 1358 01:19:35.960 --> 01:19:43.020 of the movie myself. It is remade, I believe, Three times, Paul? 1359 01:19:43.060 --> 01:19:46.079 The version that I saw of this movie has Keanu 1360 01:19:46.119 --> 01:19:49.399 Reeves in it, but roll the tape, David. 1361 01:19:50.939 --> 01:19:51.439 Rolling. 1362 01:20:03.470 --> 01:20:06.640 This is Elmer Davis again. We still don't know what 1363 01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:09.260 it is or where it comes from, but there's something there. 1364 01:20:10.140 --> 01:20:12.979 It's been tracked around the Earth by radar, traveling at 1365 01:20:13.020 --> 01:20:16.510 a rate of 4,000 miles an hour. This is not 1366 01:20:16.609 --> 01:20:18.130 another flying saucer scare. 1367 01:20:53.920 --> 01:20:57.579 Pa'atu, the weird earth visitor in the 20th century Fox film, 1368 01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:00.649 The Day the Earth Stands Still, learns a great earth custom. 1369 01:21:01.270 --> 01:21:04.149 He receives a certificate of merit from the Science Fiction 1370 01:21:04.189 --> 01:21:05.649 Convention at New Orleans. 1371 01:21:06.350 --> 01:21:07.770 It's presented by Chairman. 1372 01:21:07.449 --> 01:21:10.229 Moore for the faithfulness of the film to the best 1373 01:21:10.270 --> 01:21:11.720 science fiction traditions. 1374 01:21:16.890 --> 01:21:18.130 So there you have it, guys. 1375 01:21:18.369 --> 01:21:22.960 Uncle Jim's Movie Pick of the Week. The original Day 1376 01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:25.439 the Earth Stood Still in black and white. I have 1377 01:21:25.479 --> 01:21:28.300 not seen that version, but I'm going to have to 1378 01:21:28.319 --> 01:21:28.979 track it down. 1379 01:21:29.260 --> 01:21:32.279 It's a masterpiece, man. You will not be sorry. It 1380 01:21:32.510 --> 01:21:33.550 is amazing. 1381 01:21:33.890 --> 01:21:36.250 It's better than the Keanu Reeves version. 1382 01:21:36.949 --> 01:21:40.770 I love Keanu, but I don't actually acknowledge that version 1383 01:21:40.789 --> 01:21:49.350 at all. No, no, no. You don't want New Coke, 1384 01:21:49.409 --> 01:21:53.210 Uncle Jim. You want the classic, right? And it's amazing. 1385 01:21:53.430 --> 01:21:58.409 I just can't even say enough good stuff about it. 1386 01:21:58.409 --> 01:22:00.550 You'll never forget it. It's remarkable. 1387 01:22:01.489 --> 01:22:03.409 I'm going to have to check that out. So I 1388 01:22:03.430 --> 01:22:05.789 haven't seen it, guys, but please check it out yourselves. 1389 01:22:06.390 --> 01:22:11.239 All right, we do have one, one news story for 1390 01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:38.399 us tonight. Okay, usually we start off with Shatner says, what? 1391 01:22:38.500 --> 01:22:40.720 But we don't have a Shatner says what, but we 1392 01:22:40.739 --> 01:22:43.390 do have a story that's relevant for the 60th anniversary 1393 01:22:43.489 --> 01:22:44.229 of Star Trek. 1394 01:22:44.829 --> 01:22:46.310 Eric, take it away. 1395 01:22:46.329 --> 01:22:50.010 Yeah, this is pretty cool. Star Trek fans successfully set 1396 01:22:50.109 --> 01:22:53.609 new Guinness World Record at London Museum. A total of 1397 01:22:53.609 --> 01:22:58.279 934 fans gathered at London's Science Museum on Star Trek 1398 01:22:58.300 --> 01:23:02.359 Day to mark the seminal show's 60th anniversary. They were 1399 01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:05.119 there not only to celebrate the anniversary, but to attempt 1400 01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:07.500 to set a new Guinness World Record for the largest 1401 01:23:07.739 --> 01:23:13.850 simultaneous Vulcan salute. Vulcan salute is the gesture made famous 1402 01:23:13.890 --> 01:23:17.229 by Leonard Nimoy's character Spock, who first appeared in the 1403 01:23:17.229 --> 01:23:21.609 1967 episode of the TV series titled Amok Time, and 1404 01:23:21.670 --> 01:23:24.920 is usually accompanied by the phrase, live long and prosper. 1405

01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:28.239 Those taking part on Tuesday were required to maintain the 1406 01:23:28.340 --> 01:23:31.789 iconic hand gesture and for one minute to successfully secure 1407 01:23:31.829 --> 01:23:37.750 the title. Guinness World Records educator Paulina Sapinska has verified 1408 01:23:37.789 --> 01:23:41.710 the attempt and handed the official certificate to the Science 1409 01:23:41.750 --> 01:23:47.819 Museum's Commercial Operations Director Ben Leroux. Science Museum Head of 1410 01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:51.600 Collections and Principal Curator Dr. Glenn Morgan said that they 1411 01:23:51.659 --> 01:23:54.479 had been, quote, really excited at the idea of breaking 1412 01:23:54.520 --> 01:23:57.609 a world record. It's the 60th anniversary of Star Trek, 1413 01:23:57.670 --> 01:24:00.630 and we wanted something people would really remember and would 1414 01:24:00.670 --> 01:24:03.550 really mark this event as something special. And what's more 1415 01:24:03.590 --> 01:24:07.489 special than breaking a world record, he said. Also participating 1416 01:24:07.529 --> 01:24:11.149 was actor Martin Quinn, who plays Chief Engineer Montgomery Scotty 1417 01:24:11.229 --> 01:24:15.119 Scott in Star Trek Strange New Worlds. He said, I'm 1418 01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:18.140 going to hang my Guinness record. No, sorry, I can't 1419 01:24:18.180 --> 01:24:20.199 say it like that. I'm going to hang my Guinness 1420 01:24:20.220 --> 01:24:23.560 World Record certificate in my brother's room to really rub 1421 01:24:23.600 --> 01:24:29.250 it in. Morgan previously said about this year's 60th anniversary celebrations. 1422 01:24:29.729 --> 01:24:31.109 After a popular Star Trek. 1423 01:24:33.250 --> 01:24:36.850 After a popular Star Trek... I don't know what that means. 1424 01:24:37.750 --> 01:24:41.880 This year, we're delighted to invite fans back for another 1425 01:24:42.020 --> 01:24:45.960 evening exploring the ideas, imagination, and real-world science behind the 1426 01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:49.340 franchise and a final opportunity to experience the Star Trek 1427 01:24:49.399 --> 01:24:49.960 Warped Trail. 1428 01:24:49.979 --> 01:24:50.579 Okay. 1429 01:24:51.170 --> 01:24:55.369 The free Star Trek Warp Trail includes props and uniforms 1430 01:24:55.409 --> 01:24:58.119 from the shows and films and explores the lasting connection 1431 01:24:58.180 --> 01:25:04.390 between the franchise's visionary storytelling and real-world scientific innovation. Sounds 1432 01:25:04.409 --> 01:25:04.829 pretty cool. 1433 01:25:07.149 --> 01:25:12.159 If I was there, I would go. And that, my friends, 1434 01:25:12.380 --> 01:25:18.289 wraps up another awesomely exciting episode of Correct Talking and Beyond. 1435 01:25:18.970 --> 01:25:22.229 We missed V this week, but she'll be back next week, 1436 01:25:22.470 --> 01:25:24.369 but we won't have Paul. Paul's going to be gone 1437 01:25:24.409 --> 01:25:26.539 for the next two weeks, so we're going

to have 1438 01:25:26.579 --> 01:25:31.100 to try to muddle our way through without Paul. But 1439 01:25:31.640 --> 01:25:35.819 we did have the opportunity to talk to Brian bulk-wise 1440 01:25:36.340 --> 01:25:38.489 before this show, so you guys can check that one out. 1441 01:25:39.270 --> 01:25:42.909 And next week we'll be talking about Once Upon a La'an. 1442 01:25:42.939 --> 01:25:44.529 I think that's the name of the episode. 1443 01:25:44.560 --> 01:25:47.960 Once La'an a Time. 1444 01:25:48.399 --> 01:25:48.779 That's it. 1445 01:25:48.840 --> 01:25:51.239 Once La'an a Time, which is a sequel to an 1446 01:25:51.279 --> 01:25:56.539 episode that I tweeted from the first season, Kingdom of Oisium. 1447 01:25:56.560 --> 01:25:58.399 So hopefully the episode is better. 1448 01:25:58.220 --> 01:25:58.689 Than that one. 1449 01:25:58.739 --> 01:25:59.100 I don't know. 1450 01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:02.140 I'll let you know next week. I'm your most excellent host, 1451 01:26:02.460 --> 01:26:03.079 Uncle Jim. 1452 01:26:03.619 --> 01:26:05.460 And I want to take this opportunity to say thank 1453 01:26:05.479 --> 01:26:07.779 you to Eric for hanging out and talking with us tonight. 1454 01:26:07.819 --> 01:26:08.659 Thank you so much, Eric. 1455 01:26:09.300 --> 01:26:09.600 You bet. 1456 01:26:09.619 --> 01:26:10.199 Thanks very much. 1457 01:26:11.319 --> 01:26:13.220 And thank you so much, David, for hanging out and 1458 01:26:13.260 --> 01:26:15.689 talking with us and putting together all these awesome videos 1459 01:26:15.970 --> 01:26:18.430 and the video of Brian that he didn't get to see. 1460 01:26:19.649 --> 01:26:21.550 Yeah, I was hoping you would see it, but oh well. 1461 01:26:21.590 --> 01:26:24.010 It's been a lot of fun making it, so good times. 1462 01:26:24.350 --> 01:26:26.010 And we enjoyed seeing it. Thank you. 1463 01:26:26.710 --> 01:26:28.329 And thank you so much to Paul for hanging out 1464 01:26:28.369 --> 01:26:31.659 and talking with us and for talking to Brian for us. 1465 01:26:32.640 --> 01:26:35.399 Yeah, I think Once Upon a Lawn is the adult 1466 01:26:35.439 --> 01:26:41.699 film version, right? Maybe Once Upon a Lawn. Yeah, I 1467 01:26:41.739 --> 01:26:43.880 think that might be. Maybe we're not supposed to see that. 1468 01:26:43.979 --> 01:26:46.779 But who knows? In an age where we're going to 1469 01:26:46.800 --> 01:26:50.680 get a Sabrosa figure, anything is possible. So doors have 1470 01:26:50.720 --> 01:26:53.779 been blown open wide. Friends, I will miss you for 1471 01:26:53.819 --> 01:26:55.619 two weeks, but I'll have lots of stories when I 1472 01:26:55.659 --> 01:26:58.810 come back. So have a lot of fun. And I'll 1473 01:26:58.850 --> 01:27:02.109 be curious to see how the finale tracks with everyone. 1474 01:27:03.609 --> 01:27:04.090 Peace out. 1475 01:27:04.189 --> 01:27:07.170 Maybe, of course, last but not least, we want to 1476 01:27:07.189 --> 01:27:08.810 say thank you so much to Charles for hanging out 1477 01:27:08.909 --> 01:27:10.149 and talking with us. Thank you, Charles. 1478 01:27:11.470 --> 01:27:15.189 Thank you. It's always fun. Except when we get into 1479 01:27:15.210 --> 01:27:17.770 that Subrosa stuff a little bit. That gets a little, 1480 01:27:17.970 --> 01:27:18.829 a little adult-ish. 1481 01:27:22.390 --> 01:27:25.989 Well, wait. Wait till we get the seven-inch action figure 1482 01:27:26.060 --> 01:27:28.739 with the accessories. We'll see. 1483 01:27:28.939 --> 01:27:31.479 All seven inches, Charles. All seven inches. 1484 01:27:31.720 --> 01:27:36.350 All seven inches. I'm your host, Uncle Jim, saying everybody 1485 01:27:36.390 --> 01:27:39.020 please stay safe and be good to each other. Hailing 1486 01:27:39.060 --> 01:27:42.439 frequencies are closed. Good night, everybody. Good night. 1487 01:27:43.020 --> 01:27:44.100 Live long and prosper. 1488 01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:49.500 Number one. 1489 01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:50.800 You're the captain. 1490 01:27:52.050 --> 01:27:52.350 Captain. 1491 01:27:56.489 --> 01:27:57.670 Ready for warp, sir. 1492 01:27:58.569 --> 01:27:59.020 Mark, hold me. 1493 01:28:23.640 --> 01:28:47.020 Thank you. Thank you.