Full Transcript for S01 E02 - Your Mother Wears Combat Boots

a Batmobile or a Spider-Man something or a Superman something. 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:43.520 It just sort of came as standard in your kind of kid's kit, really. 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:46.159 But Batman 66, I used to, I used to really love it. 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:56.479 And yeah, I've realized since like it's been it basically, I'm gonna have to be honest, it was really, really formative in my whole uh sexual development, psychosexual development. 00:02:56.879 --> 00:03:00.560 And there's no way I can get through this podcast without sort of referring to that stuff. 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:09.680 But in quite a serious way, I think that is the way kids sort of form their ideas of who they are and when they're trying to work out what are men, what are women, where do I fit into all of this. 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:14.319 It's it's not unusual for kids to have crushes on sort of cartoon characters and all that kind of stuff. 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:20.960 And mine was definitely the strongest without a shadow of a doubt was Batman Robin and the Riddler. 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:23.360 And I'll probably just draw a line under that for now. 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:26.159 I'm sure we'll jump into it further later on. 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:31.680 My sexual awakening was Penny Inspector Gadget's niece when I was about seven years old. 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:35.520 And it's why I can't have sex with anyone without using lots of different gadgets. 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:37.280 Ah, very explains it. 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:40.479 Yeah, I was wondering if that potato peeler last time is particularly aggressive. 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:41.680 I'm not sure. 00:03:41.919 --> 00:03:49.039 But you know, like you you often hear, like I often hear my strike, like sort of like, oh, Chitara, that was that was his the thing, or you know, everyone's got their own kind of stuff. 00:03:49.199 --> 00:04:00.080 But yeah, for me, it really was them and I I really literally together pieced together which way I was I was going uh from quite an early age, and it was very that was the strongest one was Batman, Robin, and the riddler. 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:02.319 So are there a lot of riddles in your sex life? 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:04.240 I mean, my sex life is a riddle in itself. 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:05.680 A, where has it gone? 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:08.159 Um B, why can't I have an alphabet? 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:10.240 And three, who are those three boys tied up in that cupboard? 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:11.199 I never quite got to them. 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:13.599 Excellent. 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:15.360 Luke Malloy, what about you? 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:19.680 Are you I'm sat here just stressing thinking he's gonna ask me if I'm a sexual awaken. 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:21.519 And I've got I can't think. 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:22.319 I can't think. 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:25.519 You can answer that question if you want to, but don't feel you have to. 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:27.120 No, that I took it down a side route. 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:28.879 There's no need to go down there, you can just go straight. 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:31.839 Lois Griffin? 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:32.480 No. 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:35.439 Dear God. 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:36.879 Batman 66. 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:37.920 Batman in general. 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:42.160 Well, I I think um Batman 66 will have been the first one I watched. 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:49.199 So they uh the I've got memories of it would have been BBC four, I think, when I was like nine, ten. 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:51.360 Comrades nodded, so I think I'm right. 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:54.319 Um and they were they were on around I think it was Channel 4. 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:54.959 I think Channel 4. 00:04:55.279 --> 00:05:00.399 Channel 4 was it they were on around sort of tea time and it was the cliffhangers. 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:05.839 So I I was a Doctor Who fan, I'd seen some classic Doctor Who, it was the cliffhangers that sort of got me in. 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:19.519 And then it just very much passed for years and years and years, and then about two Christmases ago, uh I was like, I want that box set of of Batman because it was like 30 pounds on on Amazon, and I've been very, very, very slowly watching them. 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:24.160 I mean, I'm I've watched about 40, so about a third of the way through. 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:26.879 So I don't know, I don't know if that's good or bad. 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:30.560 But they're they're quite, you know, they're quite repetitive, but they're very fun. 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:31.199 Yeah. 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:36.639 And I I it was the cliffhangers that got me in, and it was the the tone of it was great. 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:39.439 And then I've always I've always liked Batman, to be honest. 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:45.120 And the really like the Nolan ones, not so fond of Ben Affleck. 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:47.120 I think I think of this about all superheroes. 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:55.600 If the the duel, the alter ego is just as fun as the superhero, then you're on to a winner. 00:05:55.680 --> 00:06:03.279 It's when it's when the sort of Bruce Wayne is a bit boring or the Clark Kent is a bit boring that it lets the whole thing sort of down. 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:04.160 So yeah. 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:07.600 You know, Adam West has both Bruce Wayne and Batman. 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:08.879 Perfect. 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:10.079 Yeah, absolutely. 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:15.279 I would think my first introduction to Batman would have been Batman 66. 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:20.800 It was on weekend mornings or maybe summer holiday mornings when I was a kid in the 80s. 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:34.079 Uh it soon transferred to Tea Times, and it was just on pr pretty much like once a year, they'd do a run through, it felt like, on Channel 4, BBC Two, whatever, until I was about 14 or 15. 00:06:34.160 -->

00:06:36.560 And it probably carried on after that, to be honest. 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:38.000 I just sort of lost interest. 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:47.040 And then when I sort of got older and had a bit more disposable income, it became a bit of a loss media because it wasn't out on DVD, as far as I'm I I know. 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:55.360 Uh there was all sorts of things that I can't verify this, but people always said it was to do with the rights, with the people that popped out of the windows, the celeb cameos. 00:06:55.519 --> 00:06:58.480 And that was all done with who's on the back lot today. 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:04.319 And so they released a few videos and stuff, but they couldn't get the rights, or it was too expensive to clear the whole thing. 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:06.720 So it just disappeared out of my life for years. 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:08.319 And I've always loved Batman. 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:13.199 I I watch every Batman movie, all the little series they do around it, like The Penguin and Gotham. 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:18.000 I won't watch them, but I will stick my head in for a key episode here and there just to get a flavour of it. 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:19.279 And I've read some comics. 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:24.079 But Batman 66 was the one that was the most present in my life as a kid. 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:32.800 And uh, much like you, I picked up the Blu-ray box set maybe a year after it came out or something, and I've watched them all and had an absolute riot. 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:34.000 What would you say for both of you? 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:39.040 What was your first sort of like organically for your generations Batman that your friends would have been getting into? 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:42.560 Like, because Batman 66 was the only one we could really refer to. 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:45.920 And there was the cut of course, there was a Hanna Barbera cartoon version as well. 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:51.600 And so that was so we had that on TV, and it and it they all kind of this is sort of pre-all branding and merchandise. 00:07:51.680 --> 00:08:05.519 So to you, to me, like the merchandise, I've got a bit that that was the sort of blue, you know, the gray suit, blue and yellow sort of version was on all the merchandise, and you just assumed that was the TV one and the cartoon, you're like, Well, that's the same thing. 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:07.600 And so we sort of just triangulated through those. 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:10.240 But what was your generation's first Batman for you guys? 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:12.079 My one was Nolan. 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:25.680 Uh I remember going to the Dark Knight cinema and cinema screen, and I'm being like, Whoa, this is this is bloody good, this and um and I had a Batman toy that was very much in that just sort of pure black, shadowy thing. 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:31.759 And I had friends for ages telling me to check out the animated series with um Mark Hamill. 00:08:31.839

--> 00:08:36.720 But as as Dylan knows, and as I've said on this podcast before, not the biggest fan of animation. 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:39.440 I just I don't know what it is, just can't struggle. 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:40.720 Might come back to that later. 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:42.080 So I struggled with that a bit. 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:46.639 And then even the Robbie Patterson one, I wasn't too keen on that either. 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:48.399 I think it need a bit of fun in it. 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:50.320 But sorry to answer the question, yeah. 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:52.159 It was the who is Christian Bale's one. 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:53.440 The things there's so many of them. 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:56.399 Like when you start talking about them, I'm like, oh yeah, there's that version, that version. 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:58.159 It kind of there's millions of them now. 00:08:58.320 --> 00:08:58.480 Yeah. 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:00.559 Well, I think because we're all of different ages here. 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:15.679 So mine was Batman 89, and all the kids at my school, we were all so hyped for that movie, and we probably didn't see it till like 1991 because of the sort of life of a film back then and us all being like eight years old and not being able to go to the cinema and see it. 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:27.279 But I remember watching that again and again as a kid, and uh, I also remember following those four films, and by the third one going, oh, it's not as good, and by the fourth one going, oh, it's crap. 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:34.879 But actually now, when I look back at the fourth one, I'm a bit like it feels like a big budget version of the Adam West show, so I can sort of get behind it. 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:50.080 It is camp and silly, but in a very 90s way, and it's sort of it's more in line with that, and I just think it's a it's a big fun spectacle, and then so I've got a lot more time for it than I I did when I was a critical 12-year-old or nine-year-old or however old I was when it came out. 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:55.039 It's interesting how it's that thing about being serious or not serious, sort of swings backwards and forwards. 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:59.360 Like some people like it campy and funny, but then you need the move to make it dark, dark. 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:06.080 I remember when that 1989 movie came out, I was probably like late teens, and everyone's like, oh, it's gonna be bad, man, but it's gonna be really dark. 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:09.679 And it was it was so exciting, the fact that there'd be this dark backstory. 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:19.039 And ever since then, it's been pretty much just relentlessly dark in inverse of commas, and you know, I I do like the kind of more fun camping element to it. 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:33.120 And then yeah, but I think I'm contradictory as well because I like it camp, um but then I hate those two movies, the um the last two ones in the 90s, and I love the um one with the penguins it fuck returns. 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:36.399 So I it's just completely contradictory. 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:42.399 I don't I I've never been able to really pinpoint what makes Batman work in a way that I can do it with Doctor Who or something like that. 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:55.039 I I do wonder after the Nolan trilogy, that and especially after the failed Snyderverse, whether actually the Robert Patterson one was the right way to go and something a bit more fun. 00:10:55.200 --> 00:11:06.320 It doesn't it doesn't have to be like Uber Camp or something like that, but the most recent Superman film, for instance, has got sort of these shades of it's just a lot more fun and it feels like a lot more big adventure story. 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:13.200 And I wonder I I'm more interested in seeing the Batman in that universe than I am seeing another Rob Robert Patterson film. 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:17.440 But that's just because Dark Batman it feels has just kind of been done and I'm ready for something else. 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:19.120 And and and done very well. 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:25.279 And uh the thing the strange thing about the Batman is you know, it seems to be it seems to go down really well. 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:29.360 And I've I've watched it twice now, the second time to be like, am I missing something? 00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:30.639 And I'm not. 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:33.279 I just didn't like it. 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:35.519 Yeah, it's it's not for me either. 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:39.919 Fortunately, we found some other bits of Batman 66 to jump into. 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:53.600 So the first thing we're going to look at today is Return to the Batcave, the Misadventures of Adam and Bert, written by Dwayne Poole and directed by Paul A. 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:54.639 Kaufman. 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:59.360 It was broadcast on CBS on March 9th, 2003. 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:06.000 Now, just have a little look at the landscape of media at that point, essentially, of sci-fi, of cult TV. 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:27.360 What we had going on on television was the mini-series of Battlestar Galactica, Farscape finished, Frank Herbert's Children of Dune was being broadcast, Buffy ended, and it's also the year that not only was Doctor Who announced us coming back and Scream of the Shalker was on the internet, but it's also the year that everybody's favourite sci-fi show, Moonbase 3, was set in. 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:30.240 Um, which was a very boring year on the moon. 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:31.519 If you like that sort of thing. 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:32.639 No spin-offs for that. 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:34.159 We won't be covering anything from that. 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:44.720 And then at the movies, we had Daredevil, The Hulk, Matrix Reloaded, Matrix Revolutions, X-Men 2, and Terminator 3, a rise of the machines. 00:12:44.960 --> 00:12:48.879 So that is the landscape of science fiction and superheroes at the time.

00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:50.559 A mixed bag, I would say. 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:52.559 I love The Matrix 2. 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:53.600 Reloaded. 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:55.519 I think that is a brilliant film. 00:12:55.679 --> 00:12:59.679 Not so keen on three, but two is great and gets better every single time you watch. 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:04.639 The Battlestar Galactica mini-series, that was probably I probably came to it a little late. 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:06.960 But I mean, God, that was absolutely amazing. 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:09.360 Well, just getting back there, that that is really kind of amazing. 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:22.240 So I remember the 90s being very sort of retro and a bit and ironic, and you know, there's a big just moving back to just this whole kind of kitschy pulp Jarvis Cocker vibe of everything being a little bit kitschy and funny. 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:27.039 And I wrote just absurd and colourful and ironic in a non-Cool Britannia. 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:28.080 Yeah, a bit of that, yeah. 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:31.519 And there was, but it was kind of felt it very felt very playful and fun. 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:32.399 It wasn't being serious. 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:38.639 But like when you just mentioned that 2003, everything you mentioned there was just like total nostalgia fest, pretty much. 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:41.120 I mean the matrix films were quite new, but that's a lot. 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:47.759 I'm just sort of shocked at how much you know, bringing back Doctor Who, you know, all of these things, that's a lot of that's quite a lot of nostalgia there. 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:49.120 So I'm just noting my surprise at that. 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:51.120 So and I'm guessing this was part of all of that. 00:13:51.279 --> 00:13:52.879 This yeah, absolutely. 00:13:53.039 --> 00:14:03.840 So I think we're in that first run of superhero films where that before the big explosions happened, Daredevil and the Hulk and X-Men 2, Terminator 3's finally got off the ground. 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:13.360 And yeah, it's it's an interesting it's interesting that the television stuff feels a little bit w with things like Buffy and Farscape and Firefly and things like that. 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:17.200 That felt like the end of the 90s almost of the sci-fi of the 90s. 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:28.080 And I think people were looking for things new, and Battlest Galactica was amazing, but it's got a lot to fucking answer for because I that felt to me like the beginning of everybody going, we need to make this as dark as possible. 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:34.720 And it weren't for Battlest Galactica, but I just I I feel like it infected everybody's idea of science fiction. 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:43.360 And so is born the sort of fan that's like science fiction should be dark, and it's like Rossity Davis brings Doctor Who back and goes, it doesn't have to be dark, it can be. 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:51.519 Adam West and Burt Ward

reunite after the original Batmobile is stolen from a charity gala. 00:14:51.840 --> 00:15:07.840 As they embark on a road trip to recover it, they follow clues that send them reminiscing through flashbacks about their early careers, personal struggles, and humorous behind-the-scenes moments from the 1960s Batman TV series, encountering old friends and foes along the way. 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:19.759 Ultimately, they discover the theft was orchestrated by a vengeful former co-star, leading to a booby-trap confrontation that they narrowly escape before the Batmobile is recovered and order is restored. 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:25.200 Although at the last minute, the Batmobile is stolen again and another Batcaper awaits. 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:31.679 Return to the Batcave, the misadventures of Adam and Bert. 00:15:31.919 --> 00:15:34.159 So, Conrad, were you aware of this? 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:35.600 Have you seen it before? 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:39.039 Um I've heard of it, but bad fan, I'd never seen it. 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:42.480 And my my sort of I'm I'm a s a funny uh fan with Batman. 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:44.000 I like the ephemera of it. 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:45.519 I don't I like all the visual stuff. 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:49.759 I like my toys, I just like the visual stuff of it, and I like actually watching the thing. 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:54.639 But I'm not like I don't know, I don't have to watch every documentary or read read everything everything. 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:58.000 So I've heard of it, but never seen it until recently, until this time. 00:15:58.159 --> 00:15:59.840 And um it's very interesting. 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:04.080 There is a hell of a lot in there. 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:06.080 I think it's interesting to watch. 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:08.240 I I think it's clearly aimed. 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:13.519 Well, it's it's aimed for fans, but I can imagine just casual viewers who used to like Batman 66. 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:18.799 It's a it acts as a bit of a document, a sort of dramatised documentary of the history of Batman 66. 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:21.120 I think it had a lot of broad appeal to it. 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:23.039 Um very, very interesting. 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:27.200 We have lots to say about that, but yeah, I hadn't seen it before, but um I was glad I did. 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:30.080 Yeah, I'd not seen it before, I'd not heard of it. 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:37.759 I was just looking at what we could possibly do for Batman 66 when I suggested perhaps you two might have wanted to come and talk about it. 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:44.399 And I have to confess I sort of picked it because I thought it would be terrible, but I found it very endearing. 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:45.840 Luke, what about you? 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:47.679 I'd never seen it, no. 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:51.679 Um, and as I say, I've only seen about a third of the canon. 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:54.320 But this was bloody great. 00:16:56.240 --> 00:17:00.320 This was like Batman's version of an adventure in space and time, wasn't it? 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:06.880 It was yeah, I found it equally as informative as I found it brilliant, like fun and charming. 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:12.000 There was about five minutes in, and I was like, is this gonna be terrible? 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:17.200 And then fairly quickly, I was like, it might be, but I'm on board. 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:19.440 And then I was like, no, fuck this, this is really good. 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:19.839 I like this. 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:23.759 And it it kept me charmed and interested all the way through. 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:31.519 I I definitely put it on as like a thank nice one dill in an hour and a half, thanks. 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:38.400 But like very quickly, like five or six minutes in, was like, I really like this. 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:42.880 I was prepared to be like, I'll watch this half an hour a night or something like that. 00:17:43.119 --> 00:17:45.440 But but but there was that there was none of that. 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:54.720 I think though when you've got a subject like Batman 66, you can either do a straight-up documentary and go, oh, wasn't it wonderful? 00:17:54.880 --> 00:18:03.440 Or you can try and do a docky drama that's a bit serious and earnest, but it doesn't really do the subject matter justice. 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:06.799 So you don't get Adam West saying, I don't want to go, do you? 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:10.880 Pulling on the heartstrings at home. 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:12.400 Exactly. 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:19.440 So instead you get this this format which um well Conrad, why don't you explain what the format is to everybody? 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:34.160 Yeah, so the format is associated, it's a dramatized uh version of the life of Adam West and Burt Ward, um, where they get a mysterious invitation to a sort of car event, car uh sort of this this sort of charity event that Bruce Wayne was invited to all the time. 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:41.519 And they sort of go there quite innocently and he discovers you know that Burt Ward was uh I think he he turned up there as well, not knowing what you know what was going on. 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:50.240 And then a sort of adventure, they sort of uh follow this adventure to try and find who's stolen the Batmobile and who's who's behind the strings of this kind of crazy adventure. 00:18:50.319 --> 00:19:11.039 And what you basically get is an episode of Batman 60s, an extended sort of movie version of uh Batman 66 episodes, but it's uh Adam West is 75 and Burt Ward is 58, and they're but they're still having the same adventures with some of the same villains, and and most of to be honest, I was sort of like tick, tick, tick, all the major beats you want are there. 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:12.960 So yeah, that's the best way I can describe it. 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:21.599 But they do with flashbacks, it they they

illustrate the history of the making of Batman 66 through their memories that they're forced to sort of remember through flashback. 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:23.200 And and so you get two things. 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:29.680 You get, yeah, a sort of uh an episode of Batman 66 playing made today with their older selves, which is like incredibly charming. 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:33.440 You also get a little positive history of Batman 66, which really checks out. 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:36.079 So it's very it's actually really, really clever. 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:43.759 Because I think if they tried to do like The Dark Knight Returns, but with Adam West or something like that, it would it would have fallen flat. 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:45.200 So to kind of wrap up. 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:47.119 He would outshine everything else. 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:50.720 Because if you put Adam West in a room, who's got a chance? 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:54.000 Well, he is a charming and charismatic individual. 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:56.400 Luke, you mentioned adventure in time and space. 00:19:56.960 --> 00:19:59.039 It's like a mythmaker's with budget, you know? 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:07.599 And uh I didn't know what I was gonna guess because I at one point I thought, oh, it's are the flashbacks just gonna be them talking about things? 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:15.200 And it's just really bizarre, slightly hokey, but knowingly hokey, but everybody's taking it seriously. 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:18.079 Well, I guess does it hit the tone of Batman 66? 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:19.759 That is like Batman, isn't it? 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:21.759 That's exactly the tone of Batman. 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:32.559 I think as well, like the the format, the genre sort of accommodates the age and the nostalgia in a perfect way, in a way that's say later on with the animation. 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:39.039 The animation is trying so hard to just sort of be what it was, and it's going to great pains. 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:49.200 Whereas this is like you've got to reflect the fact they're older, and this does, but it manages to do it in just a really clever, fun, nice way. 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:57.519 I also love like genre that's sort of this like meta genre where the actors sort of blend with the characters. 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:01.920 And you know, inside number nine did it, not many things do do it. 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:05.200 I think you have to be at like the end of a journey to be able to do it. 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:07.519 But I always really enjoy it when they do. 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:11.359 A big shout out to the direction and the production design. 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:14.799 They get all the right angles for Batman 66. 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:19.359 They recreate the Batcave perfectly, they recreate all the sets and stuff. 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:20.400 It just looks amazing. 00:21:20.480 --> 00:21:21.440 What do you think, Comrade? 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:22.240 Yeah, definitely. 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:33.119 I like there was what there was some there were some points where they were recreating the Batcave where I was like jaw on the floor and it kind of it when I it was actually just the guy playing Batman that I just was like, oh wait, no, he's nowhere as good. 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:35.599 But but some sometimes it was exactly like it. 00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:41.279 Adam West, Burt Ward, Frank Gorshin as the riddler, um, and Julia Newmar as Catwoman. 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:44.880 It's like very much I some of my notes are just like still got it. 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:45.039 Yeah. 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:57.599 It's like the fact that they still have like the charm of charisma, humour, and energy is sort of on I know they're older, but uh that's quite superficial because actually, as themselves and as the characters, there's no change at all. 00:21:58.160 --> 00:21:59.839 There's always a danger when you wheel out. 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:11.119 A bunch of pensioners to recreate their iconic characters, even in a spoof, that it'll miss the mark slightly, or they haven't got it, and it it just doesn't work. 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:12.400 But I'm the same as you. 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:13.519 I was like, still got it. 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:16.640 Especially, let's give Adam West and Burt Ward their props. 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:21.039 Like, if you were listening to this on the radio, you would think it was from the time almost. 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:32.480 It's like they sound the same, they've got the same charisma and charm, they deliver it with the same sort of knowing, wry smiles, and it they just hit every joke expertly. 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:36.720 And I laughed out loud a couple of times, like because it was genuinely funny. 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:43.759 They play it like they're in a Batman episode, not like they're in a spoof or a documentary. 00:22:43.920 --> 00:22:46.880 I think, again, they just know how to play this stuff. 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:48.400 It's really hard to get right. 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:52.400 It's certain, and as we'll see with the animation as well, it's a really fine line. 00:22:52.559 --> 00:23:02.319 And it's like they do do it with r I don't know, I I think it's more the correct question that they're doing right stuff, but they play it with total sincerity. 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:04.799 And that's just like it's very hard to do. 00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:10.720 It's a thing that the quality of sincerity is really, really hard to do. 00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:12.160 It's often not very fashionable. 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:16.160 You know, things everyone's an ironic twist and a bit of a meta wink to the camera. 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:30.480 And then I think they just, as in the TV series, they let the writers and the situations and the sets and everything do the work of that hilarity, but they play it absolutely, you know, straight, as it were, which is and they're doing it

here, which is amazing. 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:30.960 Yeah. 00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:38.559 Yvonne Craig was the only surviving series cast member who declined to appear in the project because she did not like the script. 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:44.319 The woman playing her was just exactly like him, and like doing all the flick flacks, and very it was like, wow, she was a knockout. 00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:51.519 Due to those aforementioned rights issues, they couldn't show any footage from the series at all, only the 1966 movie. 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:54.559 So that is why we only see a few little clips. 00:23:54.799 --> 00:24:06.799 But actually, I think it's better that that doesn't exist because you get all of these recreations, you get so many of them, and it there's no reliance of like, oh, we can just cut to that, we can cut to that, everything's gotta be brand new. 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:14.480 And there's only that one sort of scene in the cinema where they start watching a bit of the the old stuff that okay, we'll take a moment to see to see them in action. 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:27.599 It's so cool when you get to see scenes from slightly different angles and versions and stuff like we we've seen it in the Doc Two Doc genre, you see it in like Back to the Future 2. 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:36.079 I think it is just something you can get a kick out of because it's it's sort of making you relive the stuff you love again just in the moment. 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:37.599 It's just yeah, like so. 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:38.240 All that stuff. 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:44.720 I mean, I'm not even like the biggest fan, but as you say, those some of those sets like the the riddler spin machine and everything. 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:47.119 I was just like, I've seen this before. 00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:48.960 This is really good. 00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:54.880 At one point they had the young actor playing Young Bird Ward, you know, fully tied up to a thing with explosion dynamite going off. 00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:57.200 And I was like, this is everything I want to tune into. 00:24:57.279 --> 00:24:59.119 This is you know, it just gives you everything you want. 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:08.720 It's and there's a really meaty explosion at the end, and it's presumably it's a stunt double, but by that time you've really forgotten like Burt Ward goes flying in through the air out of the cave. 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:11.119 And then you're like, that can't be him. 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:15.759 And then I just went, that he's three years older than I am, and I'd have a go at it if someone asked me to do it. 00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:16.799 So maybe it was him. 00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:18.079 You know, you just don't know. 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:20.160 It by that time, you're so deep in it. 00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:27.039 It's really remarkable, actually, because like you said, I mean, we've seen so many hokey old, like you said, wheeling out the old actors, go on, do the old sketch again. 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:38.000 It's a little bit like, oh and like I think this is probably one of the best, you know, considering they are so much older than they were at the time, and it's an action thing, and they're playing comic book characters. 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:46.559 And to be able to pull that off at that ages of 75 and 58 is kind of ridiculous, but they they totally get away with it and more. 00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:52.240 There is nothing else like Batman 66 in terms of the the tone and the style. 00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:54.319 So you just have to get it right. 00:25:54.480 --> 00:26:03.279 And I I know I said earlier that they could have failed, but you're even more aware here that they're getting it right because there's no other tone to emulate. 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:08.640 And and the script gets the tone right just as much as you know, Adam West and Burt Wards. 00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:16.240 You know, like the puzzle they get from uh where, you know, it's like, what does an elephant always do? 00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:17.759 Never forgets. 00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:20.880 So we must go down memory lane and remember everything we ever did. 00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:30.079 And it's those sort of like massive jumps in logic, which is beautifully Batman 66, but also very funny for this. 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:36.160 Yeah, I mean it's exactly right because in the in the show the the riddle Robin was the only one who could solve the riddler's clues. 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:37.200 It was really odd. 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:38.960 Um and then and they never made any sense. 00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:44.799 It's like what's black and white and red and lives up in tree, and it's just like, oh, uh a magpie with an refrigerator and a machine gun. 00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:45.680 And they never made sense. 00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:46.640 Then it goes, of course. 00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:48.799 And he's like, What do you guys need? 00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:51.680 They are absolutely right, absolutely spot on. 00:26:52.000 --> 00:27:04.240 Well, the other side of that is you get in the Robert Patterson Batman film where the riddler's doing the world's most obvious riddles, and everybody else has to pretend they don't have Google where they can just look up this really obvious. 00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:06.480 It's better if they don't make sense. 00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:10.640 So while we're on it, Dwayne Poole wrote the script. 00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:22.319 Dwayne has one of the most impressive writers IMDBs I've ever seen, and I have never heard of a single show on there apart from Morkham Mindy and the Flintstones. 00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:24.160 It's absolutely phenomenal. 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:26.400 He worked for years and years and years and years. 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:30.559 But it's in that sort of American television that I just don't think made it to the UK. 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:32.160 So bravo to him. 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:35.039 But

uh, what do we think of the story he weaves? 00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:42.960 I think it's so clever because we as we've established, Batman works on many levels, and Batman 66 works on lots of levels, and they really kind of managed to exploit all of them. 00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:45.200 So what you get is an episode of Batman 66. 00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:49.359 You also get a, you know, that the strand of like the history of how they made it. 00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:59.599 But on top of that, and I think this is the bit I kind of most enjoyed in a way, was you also get a a little look into what it was like filming in the 60s and what the 60s were like. 00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:06.160 I mean, you know, just with like what Hollywood was like and and and the fans and the girls and the and all that kind of stuff. 00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:09.680 I think they just managed to do all it's doing a hell of a lot at once, actually. 00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:15.119 I think I knew most of the sort of facts, but there were some things there I didn't know um about the making of it. 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:26.000 And when I took checked at, and this is this is kind of interesting, I think, as well, is like a lot of these stories are apocryphal, and they're just through, you know, stories that Burt Ward said or whatever. 00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:28.319 And so it's all a little bit like, is that true? 00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:29.279 Is it not true? 00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:31.039 And we'll sort of never really know. 00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:36.079 But in a way, that kind of fantasy myth of Hollywood, that's sort of how Hollywood works, isn't it? 00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:40.000 You never, it's all hearsay and and speculation and and whatever. 00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:42.240 So I I just enjoyed that. 00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:51.920 It it felt like being Holly uh in Hollywood in the 60s, and it kind of I found that really and and the fact there was that mystique of like, wait, so is that true? 00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:54.160 Uh are we talking as Adam West and Burt Ward? 00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:55.440 Are we talking as Batman and Robin? 00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:57.359 So it was it really blurred a lot. 00:28:57.519 --> 00:28:58.640 So it was it was brilliant. 00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:02.000 It was very funny, like I felt very deep in a fantasy world on several levels, I think. 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:10.480 Yeah, and never let the truth get in the way of a good story, and I think we've learned that from seeing many an actor at a convention over the years, and so why not weave it into this? 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:21.200 Because you've also got to make a bit of television that's interesting for a viewer who doesn't know the world of it and is just going, yeah, I watched Batman 66 when I was a kid and I I might want to learn something about it. 00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:27.839 It's interesting what they do with Bert in terms of his audition, because we can actually see Bert's first audition. 00:29:27.920 -->

00:29:29.920 It's on the internet, it's on the box set, right? 00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:39.039 And so I found it quite interesting that it was like his first role and he didn't really know what he's doing, but they're definitely playing up the fact that he didn't know what he's doing, because in that audition, feels like he knows the lines. 00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:40.079 Luke, what about you? 00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:41.359 Anything to add to the script? 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:43.519 I think that was the bit as well for me. 00:29:43.599 --> 00:30:08.559 I I was watching it having no idea how much of it was true because it it felt like you were watching, as you've alluded to, like exaggerated convention tellings of the story of the history, but yeah, like used to seeing you know the behind the scenes of Lime Grove in the 60s and and other but like and Hollywood, but not sort of TV Hollywood in the 60s. 00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:11.599 So that that was really interesting. 00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:24.240 But I think the on the script level, the the point where I realised this was really working for me is that I really cared about the plot of Adam West and Burtwood, even though it's all you know, slightly how you want to call it. 00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:38.000 I was guessing who was behind who stole the Batmobile the whole time and was changing my mind and was actively engaged in like the mystery, which is barely even the first layer of this like seventh layer fantasy. 00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:40.240 So I knew I was really in. 00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:41.119 Yeah. 00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:50.480 I thought the whole time it was going to be um the the original actor that played Batman who was trying to steal the Batmobile, but he saw he's sort of there anyway at some point. 00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:51.680 But yeah, that's what I mean. 00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:57.839 I was actually like, you know, if there'd been a a a week-long break, I'd have been on Twitter with fan theories. 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:04.720 No, it's a good little mystery, and as you say, you're like, oh, is it gonna be the Riddler? 00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:08.960 Is it gonna like I'm also going, was Caesar Caesar Romero still alive at that point? 00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:09.519 I don't know. 00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:14.000 Like, I can't remember sort of chronologically, like, I don't know when all these people died. 00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:18.079 So yeah, sure, you know it's gonna be somebody that we've encountered before. 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:24.240 What do we think of Jack Brewer's Adam West and Jason Marsden's Bert Ward? 00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:31.119 Do they um give you the same awakenings that you had when you were a young man, or are they pale in comparison? 00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:32.319 Yeah, they did. 00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:45.200 I mean, you know, uh, I mean, it's it's all about the outfit, really, and Jack Brewer fills that outfit out very he's very he's kind of like stock American male, as was, you know, I probably was when this time this was made. 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:50.720 So he's very he's square jawed, good looking, well built, and he look, he just looks amazing in the suit. 00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:57.759 And I've got to say, Jason Marsden I thought was brilliant as Burt Ward, because it's really tricky to do. 00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:04.240 Robin's actually a really tricky character, and Burt Ward was such a find because he's so like he's so energetic. 00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:14.240 And there's something going on with him because like so he was his so Burt Ward's um father was like a famous, like was in a travelling ice skating show into stunts and all this kind of stuff. 00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:17.279 So already as a young age, he was an amazing ice skater. 00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:25.200 He was an athlete, he was like, he was excelled at all sports at school, so good with martial arts, he was very good friends with Bruce Lee. 00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:26.960 You know, he was just he was a proper thing. 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:30.000 He was also a maths genius, a chess champion. 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:36.960 Like he's just this kind of, I don't know what's going on, but he's just a very switched-on, can do any like irrepressible energy. 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:42.640 And that as Robin is is just so delightful that he's he's always ready on the tips of his toes. 00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.039 And when he goes to run, he was sort of jumps before he runs. 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:47.039 He's just so energetic. 00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:56.640 And and they were I I did as part of this, I did start to look at like what's true, what's not true, because you know, on his first week of filming, as you said, like it was kind of like wow, what's his first day like? 00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:57.680 And they made a lot of it. 00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:08.079 But I did look at, and it's true that four out of five of his first days, he ended up in the emergency room uh getting uh things and and and and they I was like, Why aren't you using his stuntman? 00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:12.400 And he's like, Well, his stuntman, and the guy goes, Well, the stuntman doesn't really look like you, and it's true. 00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:28.000 Um his stuntman, if ever I can always tell, I can you can never tell with um Adam West because you know he's so so covered, but with him, like Robin stunt stuntman, his guy called Victor Paul, is too tall, and it's just like that's just a dead give, and he just doesn't look like him. 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:29.680 But yeah, so so stuff like that's true. 00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:35.279 And I thought that Jason Marsden did an absolutely brilliant job of that kind of plucky go-gety thing. 00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.720 And in the audition, I was just like, okay, they're gonna show some of the audition. 00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:42.559 I was like, but surely is he gonna do all the the throws and the rolls and the karate? 00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:45.519 And he

did it, and then someone stood in his head, whatever. 00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:53.839 I was like, wow, he was like, if if they were gonna make Batman 66 at that time, he would have been an absolutely perfect casting for it. 00:33:54.000 --> 00:34:00.480 He had that sincerity and and all the unnecessary attributes that would have indeed. 00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:16.400 When we first flash back to them, I'm immediately going, Oh, uh Jason Marsden is the part, and that Jack Brewer I took a little bit of time to convince, but the moment he got in the suit, I thought he captured it, and then whenever he was out of it, I was sold. 00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:22.960 It was just it was almost like an uncanny valley thing for a a moment of just like, well, that's not that's not him. 00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:26.800 But five, ten minutes in, I was I was absolutely sold by the performance. 00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:32.159 Yeah, well, I think it's a little bit more Bert's story, the the flashback stuff. 00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:41.199 So he he yeah, that James Mardin was brilliant and immediately sort of I mean, you were just like, it's Robin, it's Bert Wood. 00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:43.679 Like you were just watching it like that's just the case. 00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:50.880 And you know, in Adam West, the guy who played Adam West was just a as you say, very charming stock American. 00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:52.159 I didn't really question it. 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:53.440 I thought they were both great. 00:34:53.599 --> 00:35:02.400 As we as we keep saying, like it's a hard tone to get even in a documentary version, and they didn't seem to push it one way or the other in the performances. 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:08.239 What about the rest of the cast, which is a mixture of familiar faces and some new ones as well? 00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:12.639 Yeah, well, I liked the the Julie Newmar scene in the in the club. 00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:14.079 That was that was very fun. 00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:18.239 Um and the Riddler good to see him back. 00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:24.159 Still got it though, like he even without being dressed as the Riddler, he inhabited that role. 00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:30.000 Yeah, I I mean for me it was I I just couldn't really shake from the main two. 00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.400 Like it's nice to see them back, but I didn't really have many more thoughts on it than that. 00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:36.159 Yeah, I thought they were brilliant. 00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:44.159 I thought the um I mean Frank Gorsham was all I mean this this is the thing, like we you with Batman Robin and Batman 66, the villains are so strong. 00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:50.480 And and in the movie, of course, they get the Penguin Joker, Catwoman, and albeit a different Catwoman and the Riddler together. 00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:53.199 And they those four are the key are the sort of the key four. 00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:54.960 I've got my little action figured out there somewhere. 00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:58.880 Those are the key four villains, and they're so strong and so amazingly cast. 00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:06.719 It's like Batman 66 was one of those things where the casting is so right, like the original Star Wars, you cannot imagine it any other way. 00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:09.440 It's just a bottle of lightning and it's kind of what makes it work. 00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:11.599 But but yeah, the older versions were amazing. 00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:16.159 I mean, Julie Newmar has still, like, boy, has she still got it. 00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:25.280 She is she's Julie Newmar is such an interesting one because she's incredibly sexy in a catwoman, sort of, and she's playing catwoman, so she's always in a cat suit. 00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:30.639 But she's got this kind of weird, slightly kooky big sister vibe about her. 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:32.559 There's something a bit off in a good way. 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:35.679 She's not just like conventionally like attractive, glamorous woman. 00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:42.159 In fact, they do get a younger version, I think, of her to play uh she's all sort of sexy and Perry, very sexy, and that's fine. 00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:48.480 A sexy woman is one thing, but Julie Newmar's got this kind of slightly off kookiness about her. 00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:51.840 She's she's a bit a bit of an oddball, which is what you really need. 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:53.360 And she's still totally got it. 00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:55.519 Frank Gorshin is just electric. 00:36:55.599 --> 00:37:07.199 And I won't go on about him, but like his performance in Batman 66 is I think he did win an Emmy, like, or get nominated for an Emmy for his performance, and like it is one of the most energetic things you've ever seen in your life. 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:11.840 Like the the the veins just pop out in his head and he leaps around. 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:13.920 He's just like, he's mad. 00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:17.519 Um so he's really good, and but yeah, so he um did really well. 00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:22.400 And I think generally the people playing the younger versions of the villains were pretty pretty on the money as well. 00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:31.199 I think the villains is what makes Batman, all of Batman, sort of superior to all the other superhero things. 00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:36.639 For me, I think they've got the most interesting and the most fun villains, and there's loads of different ones. 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:41.840 It's not just one or two good ones that a lot of the other superhero franchises seem to have. 00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:48.159 And I think culturally, the Batman villains are the ones that are most ingrained in the general public's minds. 00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:54.320 It is, and I think a lot of it's to do with Batman 66 and the fact that every time they've done them, they've got them so right. 00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:59.519 So whether it's Cesar Romero or Jack Nicholson or Heath Ledger as the Joker, like

every generation. 00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:03.039 Yeah, even Jared Leto has got his fans, you know. 00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:04.880 Uh, and it's it's a different take. 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.239 Maybe if we'd seen more of him, you know, we might have thought differently. 00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:12.960 Whereas, like Superman, the general public aren't going again. 00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:16.480 When are they bringing brainiac in or whatever? 00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:18.960 It's just like Where's Mazario at? 00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:22.400 I've never heard of any of these people. 00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:24.639 So yeah, point, point, point well made. 00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:26.400 That's because they're not important. 00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:31.440 But I'll tell you what is important, and this is a this is a real litmus test for me, is the henchmen. 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:33.519 I'm wearing a henchman t-shirt because I'm a child. 00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:42.000 Um I mean, generally I love henchmen anyway, like whether it's stormtroopers or whatever, or even if you've seen any movie, I'm sort of rarely looking at the chief villain. 00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:48.480 I was like, who are the two who are the weird lunk heads behind like broken noses and weird and boys like your boys? 00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:50.079 Like, I love those people. 00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:59.199 Um so I was I was I really like the henchmen, like you said, uh Luke in the bar, the bar fight uh they had was really good with all the kapals and whatever. 00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.239 And the henchmen were yeah, blosh. 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:03.280 That's another conversation. 00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:06.000 Didn't record that bit, guys, didn't record that bit. 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:09.280 So uh you can do that in another podcast. 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:10.400 We are not doing that today. 00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:16.960 Um the four henchmen was Pretty Boy, who's the ugly one, Slim the fat one, Big Joe, the tiny one, and Curly the bald one. 00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:18.719 I'm like spot on. 00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:22.480 I will niggle that the font wasn't quite right, but hey, we'll we'll let that go. 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:28.880 But the henchmen were brilliant, and that is a key, and and I I think that's that's at the point where I wrote the beats are all right. 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:29.119 Yeah. 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:35.920 You know, the every single the everything thing you want to see, yet without being formulaic, it just felt right. 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:39.360 They got all the bits they needed to get right, they really got right. 00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:43.760 Um and it's also split into like 20-minute chunks. 00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:51.119 So, Dylan, if you had wanted to split it up, it's it still has that Batman feeling that it sort of fades to black with a little bit of a cliffhanger in it. 00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:52.960 Yeah, every time. 00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:56.880 So you do sort of still feel like you're watching Batman and not a movie. 00:39:57.119 --> 00:39:57.440 Yeah. 00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:11.679 It's interesting you mentioned the henchman Conrad, because uh when Batman 89 happened and uh me and all my mates at school were collecting the figures, henchman Bob got his own action figure, and there's only like four figures from the thing. 00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:23.920 And henchman Bob's got like two lines, whereas Commissioner Gordon's got like reams and reams of dialogue or Vicky Vale or whoever, but no, it's the henchman because you knew with henchman Bob, all the henchmen looked the same. 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:31.360 There was tall ones and fat ones and muscle ones, but they all had the same outfit, and it's an integral part of the Batman villains because they can't do it by themselves. 00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:33.119 And they really made such a feature of them. 00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:38.400 I mean, just I mean, the fact that they even gave some henchmen t-shirt, they all got t-shirts saying henchmen or goon. 00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:39.679 Goon is another photo. 00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:40.800 I need to get goon too. 00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:43.039 Maybe that maybe I shouldn't get a goon. 00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:44.000 I'm not sure. 00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:47.840 But they offered they they usually gave them uh themed names. 00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:54.320 So when like the Riddler uh took over a wax work factory, they were all called Whip and Tallow or whatever. 00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:59.440 So they always had theme, all the villain the henchmen were always themed, which is just loving. 00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:03.679 It goes into that weird, it I think I think it speaks to that kind of fact that it's a comic book. 00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:11.039 What was what Batman C6 was so good at is that it does look like a comic book in a way that arguably a lot of them others aren't quite. 00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:12.559 It was so colourful. 00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:17.840 And like the the whole there's the whole thing of the bat labels, you know, everything's labelled ridiculously. 00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:27.280 And like one of my favourite bat labels, I think, was on a library shelf which says books on the incredibly rare treasures of the Incas, you know, on it on a library, on a really big label. 00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:32.400 And the labels are great, and the fact that henchmen are labelled and called things, it just gives you that comic book. 00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:36.960 It's like a comic book that says Gone 3D that Batman 66 did so well. 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:41.599 And the fact that there it was a you mentioned this earlier, Luca, I think that's a really actually good point. 00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:51.920 It's actually, it's not just about you're used to seeing Hollywood film, but Hollywood TV, which should have been fast, cheap, and millions of like a total production line. 00:41:52.000 --> 00:42:04.559 And the sets were it always helped because the

sets were always a for the villains layer, it was a black cyclorama with whatever stuff they could put in, like giant, outsized, colourful props, but like the Avengers as well, like the old black and white Avengers. 00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:07.679 Very cartoony and very graphic, if that if that makes sense. 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:08.239 Absolutely. 00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:17.840 I also just wanted to say as well about just going back to kind of what it was like for Burtword and Adam West filming it and the reaction from the public, I think is really interesting. 00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:25.519 And that whole thing of, you know, it's there, there's some bits where it's, you know, the girls, the the groupies and the girls, you know, this is in the 60s, for God's sake. 00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:34.000 And the groupies and the girls, and there's several bits, you know, Adam West is signing all girls' boobs, there's lots of shots of sexy cleavage and sexy arsenal, all the sexy ladies. 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.440 But that was a real for them, that was a huge part of the series. 00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:44.960 When it got popular, they were, I mean, they're famously the stories of Adam and Burt and quite how much sex they were getting. 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:55.599 It was like again, some of this is apocryphal, some of this, you know, one will slightly say, one will slightly deny, but there's no doubt they were getting an incredible amount of sex. 00:42:55.920 --> 00:43:02.559 There was a story that came out that that Adam West told on a s on a chat show, and he's almost the one that will deny it. 00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:04.400 Bert will often talk it up a bit. 00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:08.719 Like, you know, the fact he was so big he had to have pills to shrink his bulbs. 00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:10.320 You know, he's like, did you? 00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:10.880 I'm not sure. 00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:11.440 Is that you? 00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:12.000 I don't know. 00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:14.239 Um the but the complaints were real, you know. 00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:15.199 The the there really was. 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:15.679 What was it? 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:28.000 The Catholic Legion of Decency obviously had nothing better to do than watch boys in pants on television and seeing we've got very focused and very few of Catholics became incredibly interested in the content of this. 00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:32.079 We've taken a photograph of it, we've paused it, and we can confirm it's massive. 00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:33.119 It's disgraceful. 00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:34.079 We can't stop watching it. 00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:35.360 And it was so silly. 00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:38.000 Um, but you know, there there were real complaints about that. 00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:42.159 Whether Burt Ward had to take shrinking pills, we don't know, but there was certainly complaints about that. 00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:46.239 Or whether he was shoving a pair of socks down his pants before every

episode. 00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:50.239 I mean, who he actually Burt Ward accused Adam West of doing that. 00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:54.960 But again, I think it's all a sort of friendly banter, but there is no two ways about it. 00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:57.519 They were getting an enormous amount of sex. 00:43:58.000 --> 00:43:59.760 The popularity was huge, and because the show. 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:59.280 worked as a kid show but also it was it was very pop culture as well it was very groovy it was very you know they would there were and and in 2014 uh Adam West went on a show and like I said he was one who'd slightly underplay it or hinted at it coily but he full on said that he and and Frank Gorshin went to a Hollywood party where there was an orgy going on and they thought it would be fun to go in in character um which which I can well believe and they thought it was funny lots of people there thought it was funny but then they got kicked out because I think it was sort of it changed the vibe let's say um and there there's there's I mean yeah Burt Ward you know he's gone interviews saying that like he was new he was 20 had no idea he's catapulted to fame as the boy Wonder and of course Adam West was like single handsome playboy in the 60s and basically just took Burt Ward to all the places and they they really really had I mean it is it's such an important it's such a big part of the story. 00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:21.039 And I well it makes you cringe nowadays where you kind of see like oh it's sign my boobs and wow she's nice and all the girls throwing themselves at them it's actually a really important part of the story because I think as Adam West and Burt Burt Ward's experience was just like they weren't just movie stars, they were tip-pop TV stars and they were hot property and they would have been getting a hell of a lot. 00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:42.159 But it's also that sort of sexual explosion of that time if you know what I mean of like where we're sort of people are turning their back on traditional values of like oh no 2.4 children and you have sex twice to have your two children on your your marriage night and a year later and that's it and like actually going out and enjoying themselves and Doctor Who isn't doing that. 00:45:42.320 --> 00:46:28.800 Even Star Trek there is romance in Star Trek and things like that but it's not until the war machines anyway but this it feels like a sexually charged show because the people in it I mean not all the people but Catwoman Batman Robin they're hot you know Chief O'Hara Chief O'Hara what a babe I'm imagining Eyes Wide Shut with Bat a 66 Batman and Widdler And also that's what I think is very sweet about the show is that it is very you know Catwoman is clear just so sexy and they are you know but but um Batman and and Bruce Wayne and uh and Burt Ward and and or rather Dick Grayson I see I'm getting all their identities mixed up now. 00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:31.199 But basically they've got no awareness of that. 00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:35.119 So someone will sort of come on to Batman and Robin a bit and they generally don't know what to do. 00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:46.159 I think the most you see happens is that in a later series Robin goes on a date and he's drinking milkshake with with you know the same drinking from the same milkshake with two straws. 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:53.840 That's about as far as they actually and they don't tend to make innuendos and they don't tend to notice women in that way because they're too busy crime fighting. 00:46:54.000 --> 00:47:14.639 But behind the scenes of course it was quite the opposite and and I there was there there's I the first odd thing about the 60s I saw was like they mentioned that Adam West first had hadn't he'd done a few you know he'd done sort of TV shows like Perry Mason he'd done movies like Robinson Crusoe and Outer Space but one of his first shows was on something called the Keeney Popo show and I was like what the hell is that? 00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:16.159 So I had to look at it. 00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:54.880 I had to look it up it was a a daily live show from Hawaii which was very entertaining and they had a puppet and a chimp very exciting and they would have guest stars like Ella Fitzgerald and Elvis and it made me go oh god it was the 60s wasn't it everything was complete it was an explosion of just crazy can you just imagine Hollywood well the nice thing is this does give you a little bit of Hollywood in this in the 60s but as Luke says it's Hollywood TV in the 60s and that's faster and cheaper and more populist and popular I know I I just thought I thought this thing really covered it well be it the kind of groupy girls or the whatever's going on I thought they really covered it well. 00:47:55.119 --> 00:48:06.079 And it was it wasn't like a a boastful thing of like oh look at all the girls we're getting it was just like it was a snapshot of the time and going no this is what it was like it wasn't it wasn't boastful but it's still pretty cool. 00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:12.239 What do we think about uh Adam West touching Batgirl's tit? 00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:14.000 Do you reckon they'd put that in now? 00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:16.480 Uh what if they were writing this version of it? 00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:16.960 Yeah. 00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:20.000 No I don't think they would but I'm sure it happened. 00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:20.800 Is it real? 00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:22.320 Is it on an episode somewhere? 00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.920 Or did they like is is it actually a scene from an episode? 00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:28.239 I've never I've never seen a Batgirl one yet. 00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:32.639 I will say Yvonne Craig is very very good as Batgirl she is really really good. 00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:42.880 I never like it when they bring in extra characters when when you've got a nice team or a duo and then you bring in the third wheel is is never a favourite the scrappy do or

whatever. 00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:49.679 So and also I was very much Batman for the for the men so like Catwoman's okay but but I don't want a girl joining the group. 00:48:49.920 --> 00:49:00.960 Yeah girl at every week yeah what's that about yeah I know I I never like that but but back but shoot but Yvonne Craig was bloody brilliant she's chief commissioner's daughter so it's she's Barbara Gordon so she is part of the the world. 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:12.559 There is no evidence that Adam West touch Yvonne Craig's boob inappropriately for the setup that's that's good then isn't it we're all good it's a fair way gag it's a fair way gag 10 out of 10. 00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:35.440 Yeah if you try to apply today's standards to what the hell was going on behind the scenes in the 60s I just make a net um God those people are having fun how do we feel about the bat rap that accompanies this because the music's quite Batman 66 in places and then there's a remix of the Batman theme tune with a rapper on it. 00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:36.239 It's fine. 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:46.639 I I don't mind it I think it's a piece of pop culture so it's ripe for reinvention so I thank you think you can do web and stuff like in the Addams Family movies there was a rap version of the Addams Family song in that. 00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:49.199 So I th I I feel I don't feel too protective about it. 00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:49.840 I think it's fine. 00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:57.760 It was of the of the era yeah they didn't they didn't overuse it I think it was okay yeah I can't I can't say I really thought anything of it. 00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:07.760 I didn't notice it well it was done by an artist called J Flex who believe it or not although I didn't know this song I'm quite familiar with J Flex's work. 00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:29.039 Oh do you know what I have gonna say when I heard it I was like I'll miss Google that and I was like you know what didn't know who it is and here you are tell us J Flex Jay Flex was signed to Death Row Records and had releases on the gang related gridlocked and Friday soundtracks all of which I owned on compact disc as a child and he worked heavily with Dr Dre. 00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:34.880 So it was quite exciting to hear him here rapping about Batman and what a banger it is too. 00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:45.760 Fantastic and then you know that's also in the spirit as well because back in the day they would like you said the the with the rights issues because there'd always be a a a character at the window and they were often like Sammy Davis Jr. 00:50:45.920 --> 00:51:11.840 or a musician of the day and you know in in the very bloody first episode of Batman you know he does that dance which is like it it which it kind of annoys me a bit because everyone goes on it shows clips or gifts of Batman doing some silly dance in fact he does it once but of course that's what everyone thinks but it's very very appropriate because in the 60s they would always have pop culture people in there Bruce Lee whoever so I think it's I think it's totally fine for this to you it makes sense you know just get a pop artist in it's art so I think it's totally allowed. 00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:22.559 You you want to do something with the theme and remix it for that era and 2003 rap music was massive so it sort of makes sense and as you said it happened on the Addams family. 00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:25.199 It happened on the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles film. 00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:29.360 And we had Prince in the 89 one yeah yeah exactly's gotta happen. 00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:29.840 Yeah. 00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:43.119 Do we have much more we want to say on this one I'm glad Reese Shearsmith didn't come in as Michael Keaton and uh that would have been a total shift. 00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:52.079 No, not really it's just a really fun time in their company fun time recollecting and it's perfectly judged. 00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:58.639 It's very charming and most surprisingly it's a half decent Batman story with Batgirl in it. 00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:20.559 Fair yeah I just wanted to give a just a few little bits I do like the narrator thing uh oh yeah the narrator uh was you know was great and then only Adam West can hear him for a while and you know and that that was a great I'm always it's they used to do it in the Muppets all the time they used to go tune in next week and all the Muppets would look around and see who was saying it and I've always found it a funny joke. 00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:23.519 But then after all Bert Ward can hear can hear it as well. 00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:27.920 And I thought and actually that was about the time that I was really invested I started to go, no I'm into this. 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:29.679 And so it really bloody worked. 00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:32.719 So I loved that I love all the Dutch angles on the villain's lair. 00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:44.159 They got that absolutely right and they even explain why it is and I also really enjoy talking about a good script I really enjoyed Bert Ward's line I get paid weekly very weekly which I've never heard before and I've gonna use it. 00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:46.719 That's a great full marks. 00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:53.840 Yeah fantastic for me uh I love the egg fight they have in the middle of one of the episodes which is just a bizarre little moment. 00:52:54.159 --> 00:53:10.159 It is true uh Vincent Price played the egg man and he was a bit a bit narky and he did throw a lot of eggs at the he did throw a few eggs at the crew and apparently uh Burt Ward he didn't get on that well with Burt Ward and he absolutely pelted him with lots of eggs so that's actually true. 00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:11.440 No, there we go. 00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:24.800 I I love that we end up in the bat cave towards the end the real cave you know not the studio bit um and that the bomb goes off and only Burt gets hurt because obviously he doesn't get a stomp stump man which

has been a callback throughout the whole thing. 00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:32.000 And just generally what a joyful celebration of a of a TV legend. 00:53:32.639 --> 00:54:11.440 So we must rate this is it a clanger a banger or an average meander holy homage it's an absolute bat banger love that Luke holy lunch specials it's a banger I've got nothing shit I'll add something in in post holy fuck uh it's another banger from me so the next thing we're going to cover is Batman vs two face it was directed by Rick Morales and written by James Tucker and Michael Jelinick. 00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:21.679 It was released in the United States on the 17th of October 2017 and in the UK on the 30th of October 2017 and went straight to digital versatile disc. 00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:54.480 Looking at the landscape we are in the age of the superhero at the cinema we've got Logan Guardians of the Galaxy 2 Spider-Man Homecoming Thor Ragnarok Wonder Woman and the Justice League on television we've got Agents of Shield season 5 The Defenders The Flash season 4 Gotham season 4 Legends of Tomorrow season three superheroes were massive how do we feel about that time because I was very immersed into the superhero world at the time and I'm also one of those people that is very fucking fatigued by it now. 00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:55.760 What about you Conrad? 00:54:56.079 --> 00:55:29.599 Yeah no not for you no I'm sorry yeah no all that franchise stuff uh I did go and see Avengers assemble there you go can I get a point for that did you like how they assembled yeah they were very good and there was the man with a big glove uh and he turned Spider-Man to dust and there were lots of other people over there but I didn't yeah that's endgame disassemble and I saw that one I saw that one I saw that I I mean how are you supposed to tell the difference it's I tell you what what I'm not I do I I remember once in 2016 when was it? 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:57.039 I can't remember I went to see Batman versus Superman at the cinema and I remember at one point I think it might have been close to the end but there was a big fight and I could no longer tell what I was seeing or hearing on the screen and I just stood up and walked out just because I was like I wasn't didn't didn't hate it but I was just like I just can't tell what's happening so I stood up and walked out and so I'm afraid that all that franchise stuff is out there there there are some good ones in there but generally it's not for me. 00:55:57.119 --> 00:55:59.199 That whole stuff was sort of lost on me. 00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:02.960 Sorry that happens at the end of every DC film. 00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:33.039 I I quite enjoy Batman versus Superman but at the end of every DC film there's about 20 minutes where there's black and orange colours and then it ends I'm so glad thank you characters being thrown really hard against walls and the walls going and that's it and that that's what happens every time on a giant scale yeah just bigger and bigger and bigger yeah sorry that that's me on franchise land I've no I've got no idea I I just go I prefer the original and then just go and watch an old one. 00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:49.519 Yeah no I'll get you and I think a lot of people feel that fatigue now I never bought in but I wasn't completely out so I think I was I think it had a bit more of a healthier relationship I went to see the big Avengers ones I would have seen Batman and Spider-Man and that's about it. 00:56:49.679 --> 00:57:01.360 I sort of had people that would always inform me about what the overall thing was but all you needed to know is there was a guy collecting some rocks really and the DC one didn't really have anything. 00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:05.599 Every time you looked it rebooted at some point so yeah. 00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:19.519 Fair to have a TV Gotham celebrates the apparent cure of district attorney Harvey Dent whose split personality as the villain Tooface is removed through an experimental device developed by Hugo Strange. 00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:35.360 During the celebration an accident causes Dent's evil persona to be physically separated from him as an independent being allowing Too Faced to escape and embark on a crime spree with several of Gotham's villains while attempting to permanently rid himself of Harvey. 00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:46.719 Batman and Robin pursue him as Too Faced's increasingly unstable schemes threaten the city while Harvey struggles with the idea that his darker self is inseparable from who he really is. 00:57:46.960 --> 00:58:04.639 In a final confrontation Harvey realizes that denying part of himself only empowers it and he willingly reunites Too Faced restoring his full personality and stopping the villainy while Batman cures the city of Gotham whose citizens including Robin have been turned into villainous two-Face monsters. 00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:18.239 So I mean in the midst of all this we have Batman vs two face this animated straight to DVD new bit of Batman66. 00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:26.079 So Conrad have you seen this before I have yeah I've got that and the first one Return of the Cape Crusaders I think it's called the first one I was there. 00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:31.199 Yeah I did so I got the I I found out of them I got them because I was big on going through my Batman 66 phase. 00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:36.000 And so yeah I did see them at the time I and I really enjoyed them at the time I was like oh actually these are pretty on the money. 00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:45.199 Since then I've seen the Batman animated series so that's completely changed my rearranging my brain in what's possible with Batman and animation. 00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:47.599 So this doesn't match up to that. 00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:56.880 It's still pretty good but it's and again just having seen what we've just seen it's made me m much more aware of of that that lie. 00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:59.199 I think there's a lot I think there's a lot they

really get right. 00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:04.559 I think it's overall pretty good but there are a few tells which say they're not quite getting it right I think. 00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:05.519 What did you make of it? 00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:27.199 Interesting uh I enjoyed it I'd never seen it before so I was I've been aware of it and it'd been on my list of something to watch at some point because two new episodes I mean that we're only doing the one but there are two new episodes out there of Batman 66 with you know largely original cast member or at least the lead two and it's like that's something you've got to dip into if you've even got a passing interest I guess. 00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:31.920 So yeah I mean I had it I had a good time but I did prefer the previous film. 00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:33.760 What about you, Luke? 00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:41.679 Yeah I hadn't seen it before it was sort of on my watch list along with the other one which I still haven't seen I haven't seen Return of the Cape Crusaders. 00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:55.039 Yeah I thought you was it was good fine but quite disposable it won't impact my life what were you expecting to just devote your life to the teachings of this film? 00:59:55.199 --> 01:00:03.679 I don't know to be honest I didn't know what exactly it was going to do and I thought for for the most part it did what it wanted to do and it was fairly competent. 01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:13.280 I think I might have preferred it if you know and this is might be where Conrad is going to go but I might have preferred it if Adam West and but you know just hadn't been in it. 01:00:13.519 --> 01:00:17.599 If it had just been something completely new and they they'd just gone for it. 01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:24.079 I think you know there's something a bit tragic about trying so hard to recreate the past Jeff to like animate it. 01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:56.320 Anyway when are we doing that Fiori from the Deep Steel book dealers I mean I I know that when you're that this steeped in nostalgia and I think as long as you're not churning them out having a couple of things like this and just going we're just gonna have a last outing for these guys the fans will like it is quite an interesting thing to do and quite fun to have like obviously if you put all your weight and expectation on it to be the best episode of Batman 66 ever, I think you're gonna fail because nothing's gonna beat that original run. 01:00:56.480 --> 01:01:03.199 And I think this is probably the last time you could have done something like this because the straight to DVD market doesn't exist anymore. 01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:21.280 You go to a streamer where things don't make that much money so you can't have a niche product like this of this standard of animation anyway I guess you'd say so it's a lovely thing to exist and I think the big draw was hearing them back and then hearing William Shatner as as two faced was an irresistible proposition. 01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:35.599 So how do we feel about this approach then of using animation to to make a few new episodes I mean okay in theory I think I think these two are enough um I think there was a trailer on the on this for maybe another one maybe they're planning on doing another one. 01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:52.800 I'm quite glad it was only two um I mean obviously this it ended up being released four months after Adam West's death so like it's not like as a last hurrah you can't really begrudge them of a you know a last a last go um and as they were then like Adam West was 89 but was 72. 01:01:52.960 --> 01:02:05.199 So so I think moving it into animation is and Julie Newmar turns up as well still and they said William Shatner for that real 60s feel and he feasibly would have been or could have been a guest star on the show at the time. 01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:10.320 So that I thought that was actually a really smart move and it actually unlocks something very very interesting. 01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:21.119 They've both got that daytime smooth persona of millionaire playboys and William Shatner versus you know Adam West is irresistible and it works. 01:02:21.360 --> 01:03:06.400 I I I actually think overall this is a worthwhile thing and it's interesting it wraps things up and it kind of puts a bookmark on the whole era and I think it's pretty respectable for that it does a pretty good job as I said with a couple of reservations overall a pretty good job so I'm glad they couldn't do many more of them twos and it's fine I mean Luke bear in mind that you are a a big Finnish consumer when it comes to Doctor Who of consuming elderly actors revisiting their parts again and again and again and you know How dare you how you I'm talking about Colin Baker oh how dare you don't say word against word quite quite happy for him it feels like it would have been a nice thing for Adam West to do. 01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:53.519 So I think that's very nice but it sort of just makes me sad rather than excited or happy when the the voice has basically the same rhythm but it's completely different because it's older and you know it's sort of it's lost that sort of smoky velvet and it's it's just a bit nasy and it's a bit odd you know this is why Tom Baker shouldn't come back to Doctor Who for a 13 episode series even though some people might say because it I think fundamentally it just I I can't get past it it makes me a little bit sad that it's it's that it's over you know and I think it's very nice for for him I mean it only would have brought joy for him in like the last couple of months or whenever this was recorded. 01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:57.199 So that is nice and as as I say I think it's perfectly fine. 01:03:57.760 --> 01:03:58.960 I just don't need it. 01:03:59.119 --> 01:04:01.519 But he might have so that's quite nice. 01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:04.159 Yeah fairly what do you make of that? 01:04:04.480 --> 01:05:03.360 Obviously they sound older and I think they get away

with it because it's animation that you know they're editing it it's not a real-time performance I I think there's probably a tight sort of 50 minutes in it and what is it like an hour and ten something like that and I think the pacing like if you're just a bit snappier with the editing and get even more into the style of the time but I guess they're also going who's gonna buy a 50 minute DVD really to make it appear like it's a a full film even though even though it's really not I think that is a really good point out the format of it it is a bit too long and there was a scene I remember that there was a court scene in there and it does like this doesn't feel like Batman 66 an extended courtroom scene unless there was a the judge was a supervillain and they were all going to beat each other up and have a fight in the courtroom scene a courtroom scene in Batman and Batman 66 just didn't ring true you know courtroom things are just talky and boring and that's not you know in the world of crime that's not the edge we want to see. 01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:09.519 You know we make reference to you'll spend your rest of your life in jail or you know tell that to the judge but we never actually want to see the judge. 01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:13.119 No that's something you get in Gotham the TV show or something like that. 01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:25.360 Or even like the Nolan things where they're doing this more serious things oh we need to have the court but no you don't want to be in the court unless someone's getting acid splashed in their face or as yeah that that there's a supervillain in there. 01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:39.840 I had an issue a little bit with William Shatner in that I thought you played Harvey Dent really well and probably how he would have played it at the time but I kind of wanted a bit more from his two face which I don't think I quite got but it worked for you right combat. 01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:49.599 To be honest I now you say that I actually can't remember the voice of his two face I I just remember that I I I was just all the bachelor bit was was I just enjoyed that so much. 01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:53.039 I actually can't remember so you're probably right because I can't remember his performance has it. 01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:53.519 Yeah. 01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:54.880 Uh what about you Luke? 01:05:55.119 --> 01:06:03.280 I think I was a little bit confused why Bruce and Harvey Dent were best Is this a thing because I've never really seen this before. 01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:05.360 Where has this happened before? 01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:09.280 Well, it's not in Batman 66, but it is. 01:06:09.440 --> 01:06:14.960 I think it's something that is sort of hinted at in some of the films, but they haven't got time to develop it. 01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:18.559 And I think it happens in the comics that their lives are intertwined with each other. 01:06:18.719 --> 01:06:22.960 Because when they're not being the other version of themselves, they're the same. 01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:27.519 But that that just threw me a bit because I've seen a lot of Batman, and he was like, You're my best. 01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:31.920 To the point where Robin is like, Oh, Batman's got a new friend. 01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:34.880 And I was like, What is what is going on? 01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:38.559 I think I probably could have done with a bit more of Toothface actually. 01:06:38.719 --> 01:06:40.480 Now I think about it on reflection. 01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:44.079 I can't really pick think of what Toothface really did. 01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:46.960 Apart from that crazy bit with the game show, which was pretty fun. 01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:51.920 Yeah, I mean the game show felt like the most Batman 66, but they've amped it up to 11. 01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:53.920 That's exactly the kind of set I was talking about. 01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:55.360 It's like we haven't got much money. 01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:57.760 Let's put some curtains, shine a big light on it. 01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:02.400 It's a nice big pop set that really worked in the way that like the courtroom scene and stuff doesn't. 01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:08.800 But yeah, I think we're all I think now you're saying it, like I think he was I think he was really good as a battery, and it did. 01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:13.679 It was really interesting because like in his world, you know, he's a millionaire playboy. 01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:15.519 There will be other millionaire playboys. 01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:21.840 They go to these charity functions, he's always going to charity functions, then there will be other eligible rich billionaires in this kind of world of his. 01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:28.239 So it's it was nice to meet another one, but I think that no you said the the two-facing didn't completely work. 01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:34.400 Although some of the animation was really good, there was a bit where he'd had surgery and he thought it'd be repressed, and then all the stuff bubbled out of his face. 01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:35.920 I thought that was a really exciting yeah. 01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:42.960 It also threw me a little bit where at the start we get the conversion into two-faced, a story that I think most people are vaguely familiar with. 01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:48.880 And then we sort of fast forward six months later and he's been cured, and then two faces in the background. 01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:52.239 I was like, I'm not sure that's the right way in. 01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:53.920 I'm not sure it's the right angle. 01:07:54.000 --> 01:08:00.079 It just it set things off on a point where I was like, not that it's a mystery, but like, have I missed something? 01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:02.880 This is where I thought it might relate to the first one. 01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:04.639 Because I was exactly the same as you. 01:08:04.719 --> 01:08:11.280 I thought, is this carried on from the first one, or am I missing a few threads from you know,

Return to Cape Crusader? 01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:14.880 But yeah, it did seem to just revert and then go again. 01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:21.119 Yeah, I really love the character of Two Face, so which is again a reason I was keen to cover this. 01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:23.920 And it's a crying shame that they didn't do it in the 60s. 01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:50.000 But apparently, a synopsis for an unused episode called The Two-Way Crimes of Two Face was written by Harlan Ellison and covered similar ground as this movie, but gives him a different origin story, and it was expanded into a comic of Batman 66 as a lost episode, which is something I would I would like to dip into because it's an irresistible thing seeing any of the Batman villains that weren't in Batman 66 done in that style. 01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:57.840 And I I can't help but feel I'm just missing something here, as I said, that is not the two-faced I wanted from that era. 01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:00.159 It's it just two-faced isn't broad enough. 01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:07.680 It doesn't I don't walk away and go, William Shatner's up there with the penguin and the riddler and the Joker performances of that era. 01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:09.039 I think it's a script thing. 01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:12.720 I thought I think like for the reason you mentioned the pacing's a bit off, it's a bit too long. 01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:25.199 I think had this been shorter, like for instance, in the Batman Animated series, you know, it'd have been 40 minutes and you'd have had or maybe a two-passer and you'd have an extremely clear through line and know where you are with him. 01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:28.880 Whereas this they kind of go back and forward a bit, which I don't think helps the plot. 01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:33.279 They incorporate a lot of elements, uh iconography, characters, villains. 01:09:33.520 --> 01:09:35.760 Do they successfully weave them all into this? 01:09:36.000 --> 01:10:06.239 So I thought, you know, uh you're saying like the pace job, it did a little bit, but I actually thought it was quite odd how it did have the feel of old Batman, but it was passier, you know, like the set pieces were sort of bigger and quicker, and it it goes to more places, more locations, but the bases and the computers have that old feel and so I thought the tone was right, just the shape of it doesn't really hold when you look at it overall, you know. 01:10:06.399 --> 01:10:10.239 I d I don't really know what the story is by when I look back at it. 01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:10.720 Yeah. 01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:17.760 I really enjoyed the incorporation of the other villains like the Joker and the Penguin, the Riddler, and King Tut. 01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:18.880 I love King Tut. 01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:20.640 Fan favourite. 01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:25.039 Getting 15 years in prison seemed very harsh. 01:10:26.079 --> 01:10:27.359 Did you not think? 01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:29.760 It's Gotham Justice. 01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:30.560 Yeah, he'll get out. 01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:31.119 He'll get out. 01:10:31.279 --> 01:10:32.880 Yeah, if they all get out the next week. 01:10:33.039 --> 01:10:33.119 Yeah. 01:10:33.439 --> 01:10:35.520 And obviously Cat Catwoman's there again. 01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:38.560 And I love that bit at the end with the game show with them all on. 01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:40.640 I thought that was very Batman 66. 01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:52.159 When I think about it now, and if I think about it in a year's time, it'll be that game show and the spinning wheel sequence at the end that sticks in my mind, whereas I don't think anything leading up to it was that exciting. 01:10:52.479 --> 01:11:00.319 No, it's funny, it's the big set of pieces that really stick in your mind, like the um when they're attached to a giant coin that's going to catapult onto a bed of spikes. 01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:11.359 That is it's so it's so uh outsized and so and also when they arrive at the um winning pair casino place or whatever, when then there's a giant billiard table. 01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:21.920 Oh, d this is one of the sort of slight niggles I have with it, what in contrast with what we've had with Batman 66 and what we saw before, because they turn up and I think Robin has a sign of like, look at the size of those balls. 01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:34.000 And it's to Burtwold's credit, is that he just plays that line completely straight with no irony, if anything, he's really just trying to sort of just go straight through the line. 01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:37.920 He never would have said that in the series that innuendo didn't work like that. 01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:44.800 Things were sort of, I mean, maybe alluded to the beauty of a woman or adulthood, but it was all in very, very opaque terms. 01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:45.920 They had no aware. 01:11:46.319 --> 01:11:51.279 And I the sort of d double entendre coming out of Batman and Robin's mouth ain't right. 01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:54.640 He would have said holy Bat billiard balls or something like that, wouldn't he? 01:11:54.960 --> 01:11:56.079 Yeah, holy billiards. 01:11:56.159 --> 01:12:00.239 But like look at the size of those balls, it's like that I could hear the writers all chuckling to themselves. 01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:04.239 And Burt Ward, to his credit, just goes through the line completely straight. 01:12:04.319 --> 01:12:14.960 I was having this conversation the other day about when you can tell on audio if an actor's had to say a line that's a bit got a double entendre, often there's a bit just there, you just get a little tension in their voice. 01:12:15.039 --> 01:12:22.399 There's just a little bit of tension as they're trying not to laugh or trying to their awareness of it just changes the quality of their voice. 01:12:22.560 --> 01:12:23.600 And his doesn't at all. 01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:27.520 He just goes straight through the line with ease and doesn't take any notice of it, which I think is

really good. 01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:31.920 But that was like a I can hear the writers thinking they're funny and that's not Batman 66. 01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:34.159 That's not how the humour worked in Batman 66. 01:12:34.479 --> 01:12:50.800 I did like the resolution that they've got this cure to this virus that's turning everybody in the city into Two-Face, and they solve it by pelting bullets and bombs from aircraft at everybody, and like it it just cures them. 01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:57.039 There's no thought of like, oh, the shrapnel from that bomb or bullet is gonna tear, tear through their heart or anything like that. 01:12:57.119 --> 01:13:01.119 And I thought that was quite a silly but fun Batman-ish idea. 01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:03.359 It's no different to New Earth, is it? 01:13:03.439 --> 01:13:05.760 It's the same resolution as New Earth. 01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:11.600 I actually thought, to the credit, you know, and I said it's sort of the exact same thing about the elephant. 01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:13.600 What does an elephant always do? 01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:27.680 Never forgets in Return to the Batcave that the logic that they work out of everything they've come across having a duality, like Jekyll and Hyde, the double decker bus, the biplane implies that two faces behind it all. 01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:30.640 I thought that was very tone perfect in all Batman. 01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:33.039 So I thought that was something that both of them got right. 01:13:33.359 --> 01:13:36.880 For the things they got wrong, there are there are actually plenty here that got right. 01:13:37.039 --> 01:13:40.239 I mentioned a henchman earlier, twin one and twin two. 01:13:40.720 --> 01:13:42.000 That was fantastic. 01:13:42.079 --> 01:13:43.760 I love twin one and twin two. 01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:50.960 I like, you know, King Tut was brilliant, and I liked his jack in the box thing with these and these paper snakes with fangs uh attached. 01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:54.640 And I was like, that is completely the sort of sort of cheap thing they do. 01:13:54.960 --> 01:14:10.000 One line that really made me laugh is that that uh I think Harvey Dent said he was going to a charity for the Society for Underprivileged Fraternal Twins, and to which Bruce Wayne says the stigma of being the less attractive twin is a heavy burden no one should have to bear. 01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:11.600 And I thought that we love that. 01:14:11.920 --> 01:14:13.279 I thought that was brilliant. 01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:15.680 And that was my laugh at that moment. 01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:18.399 And then again, that's exactly what they'd have said in Batman 66. 01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:20.079 What do we think of the recasts? 01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:26.560 Because obviously Adam West, Burt Ward, and Julie Newmar are there, but pretty much everybody else is a recast. 01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:29.199 They're the ones that they get right are the ones that they get wrong. 01:14:29.600 --> 01:14:36.079 Yeah, I mean, Alfred's right, and Aunt Harriet's sort of right, but the character's a bit too much, but the performances are good. 01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:38.000 Commissioner Gordon's okay. 01:14:38.319 --> 01:14:43.520 Chief O'Hara is absolutely shocking. 01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:50.000 It is he's trying to do an Irish accent and it is straight up Caribbean. 01:14:50.399 --> 01:14:51.520 I don't know what he's doing. 01:14:51.760 --> 01:14:52.880 I thought it was brilliant. 01:14:53.039 --> 01:14:55.760 As you say, it may not be exactly how you remember it. 01:14:56.159 --> 01:15:01.760 I don't think it's brilliant as a ch a Chief O'Hara, but every time he came on the screen, he lit it up. 01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:03.920 Are you actually because he was so bad? 01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:04.560 I don't get it. 01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:06.399 Yeah, yeah, because he was so bad. 01:15:06.560 --> 01:15:07.439 He was so bad. 01:15:07.520 --> 01:15:14.720 And also I get to get cross because I'm just like, I'm sorry, we're over here in this country trying to scratch scratch money being audio actors out of nothing. 01:15:14.960 --> 01:15:17.920 And sometimes we do occasionally do very bad bad accents. 01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:27.520 But if you're pay getting paid that much in Hollywood to make a great big thing like that, and someone is is turning out an Irish accent like that, which is by any standards lamentable, it's a big no from me, dog. 01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:28.239 I hate it. 01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:29.439 Luke, what about you? 01:15:31.039 --> 01:15:32.079 Yeah, all fine. 01:15:32.399 --> 01:15:33.039 All fine. 01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:41.279 Would you accept a version of something like this where it was all recast, including the two leads? 01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:47.359 I mean, I think actually when when Luke made the point of like, oh, you know, maybe it shouldn't be Adam West and Burt Wood, I'm like, what are you talking about, man? 01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:55.760 But actually I can see what he means as in if you're gonna do it, it would be nice to do a version where it is kind of brand new and recast, and you found a really great, you know, but you know, Robin. 01:15:56.239 --> 01:16:04.880 So yeah, I yeah, the answer is yes, but if you need to see Batman 66, just watch Batman 66 or that documentary or documentary you just watched. 01:16:05.039 --> 01:16:08.479 I sort of think the only reason for this to exist is Adam Western Belwater. 01:16:08.720 --> 01:16:09.439 I'm not sure. 01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:11.119 I I feel less sure about this. 01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:12.720 No, I agree with Comrades. 01:16:12.880 --> 01:16:25.760 It's like it it all exists there in 66, and there's sort of a reason why it started to dwindle, because it's it's it's done and it's done perfectly, and I don't think there's anything new to mine out of it even now, really. 01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:32.319 Yeah, I suppose you are just ticking the boxes of like, oh, we did they

didn't do two-faced, so let's do two-face and things like that. 01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:40.800 I mean, sure, you can do it for a couple of things, but I I'm not too sure what to do with Batman, really, now, even in film or or whatever. 01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:43.680 Um, and the same it's the same with Doctor Who. 01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:47.520 I'm not the guy that has the the vision for it, I do, I don't think. 01:16:48.960 --> 01:16:49.600 That's fair enough. 01:16:50.319 --> 01:16:51.520 Anyone that's asking. 01:16:52.399 --> 01:16:56.159 You're not the guy with the vision to it, neither's the guy that was running Doctor Who. 01:16:57.439 --> 01:16:59.119 I thought Luke was about to come up with the answer. 01:16:59.199 --> 01:17:01.119 I'm gonna go, by God, that's brilliant. 01:17:01.600 --> 01:17:01.920 Hang on. 01:17:02.079 --> 01:17:02.800 No, never mind. 01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:03.840 Come on, Luke, you've got it. 01:17:03.920 --> 01:17:04.479 I believe in you. 01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:08.399 Maybe we take Batman and Doctor Who and just smash them together, see what happens. 01:17:08.800 --> 01:17:11.600 Sorry, I'm not doing crossovers, I'm not doing crossover conductors. 01:17:12.479 --> 01:17:14.000 One day, one day it'll happen. 01:17:14.159 --> 01:17:15.279 So, a couple of things I like. 01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:19.279 I did appreciate uh that was this was a really good joke. 01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:27.600 I I thought we're like, oh, we'll have to go to the abandoned sign factory, and they go there, and it's got a sign on it which says abandoned sign factory. 01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:28.960 That's fantastic. 01:17:29.119 --> 01:17:33.279 And you know, with the whole thing of labels in Batman, I think that was really good. 01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:39.600 And simply I really like the um in their prison was labelled female super crooks row. 01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:40.640 Uh enjoyed that. 01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:42.800 I like the animation on Catwoman. 01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:49.199 I thought they did that lovely, I thought, you know, she's just gorgeous in that cat suit and she looks all curves at there. 01:17:49.359 --> 01:17:49.600 She's gonna be a little bit more. 01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:57.760 Oh well, the opening titles, you know, when I when the road on this yeah, the road turns into the curves of Catwoman's ass. 01:17:58.319 --> 01:17:59.039 Amazing. 01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:05.520 I actually thought the credits was the my favourite part of this, and not in like an ironic way, like I'm glad it's over. 01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:08.479 The credits were crazy and they were brilliant. 01:18:08.880 --> 01:18:17.279 It had a jazzy Batman tune going on, and it had all the characters moving about 10 times quicker than they'd moved in the past hour, all dancing. 01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:19.439 I thought it was bloody great. 01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:22.319 W well what do you think of the animation style in general, look? 01:18:22.560 --> 01:18:23.600 Because you're not a fan, are you? 01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:26.800 It didn't grind on me. 01:18:27.039 --> 01:18:27.279 No. 01:18:27.439 --> 01:18:27.680 Yeah. 01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:31.039 I mean, it was better than Fiori from the Deep. 01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:34.079 I think they've got a bit more money for this. 01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:34.720 Yeah. 01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:36.880 I don't hate animation styles. 01:18:36.960 --> 01:18:39.439 And I don't really I don't hate animation either. 01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:40.880 You just find it hard to invest in. 01:18:41.279 --> 01:18:42.880 Find it hard to engage in it, yeah. 01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:45.680 I thought the animation was really good. 01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:50.159 For something that is a fairly niche product, I think it's probably the highest standard you're gonna get. 01:18:50.399 --> 01:18:53.119 I thought they captured the likeness as well, the angles well. 01:18:53.279 --> 01:18:54.880 I thought, yeah, it it all works. 01:18:55.039 --> 01:18:56.000 What about you, Comrade? 01:18:56.159 --> 01:18:57.119 Yeah, I thought it was good. 01:18:57.279 --> 01:19:01.039 Like I said, I think I I was much more impressed with it when I saw it the first time around. 01:19:01.119 --> 01:19:02.399 I was like, God, this is really good. 01:19:02.479 --> 01:19:06.720 And the the you know, the turnarounds and the character art, the likenesses, really good. 01:19:07.199 --> 01:19:13.279 Even William Shatner, he looked, I was like, oh my god, I remember it made me remember the old Star Trek cartoon uh way back in the day. 01:19:13.439 --> 01:19:16.880 But but the animation was very satisfying to see these really good turnarounds of everybody. 01:19:16.960 --> 01:19:18.640 So I really was impressed at the time. 01:19:18.800 --> 01:19:36.239 But again, since then I've seen the Batman animated series, and after you've seen that, animated Batman, the standard is just so crazily amazing in that that it's hard to you know, just the fact they animate the whole thing on on instead of using white background for the artist to draw and they make them all drawn black. 01:19:36.399 --> 01:19:37.840 So everything is given. 01:19:37.920 --> 01:19:40.000 It's just so it's a work of art. 01:19:40.159 --> 01:19:45.520 So after that, I'm a bit like, yeah, it's okay, but I do it's just making me Jonesing for the Batman Animated Series. 01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:46.239 I think you're right. 01:19:46.479 --> 01:19:55.840 The the the Batman Animated series, which I've not seen since I was a kid, but I can still see bits of episodes and images from it in my mind. 01:19:56.159 --> 01:20:01.359 And I don't think I'm walking away from this with loads of key iconography. 01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:07.199 So yeah, it was a perfectly serviceable bit of Batman 66 animated. 01:20:07.359 --> 01:20:16.079 There was never a point where I was like, oh, that character's too jerky, or I can't tell who that is, or oh, it's really flat because they can't afford to turn the

character's head or anything like that. 01:20:16.239 --> 01:20:17.920 It all works really well. 01:20:18.159 --> 01:20:24.800 Whoever's behind this, if I wanted to see an animated version of any one of my favourite shows, I would love it if these guys did it. 01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:28.800 But I'm I'm not coming back for 25 episodes of it at the same time. 01:20:29.039 --> 01:20:35.520 I I did like some of the dialogue which I quite enjoyed is uh, you know, they say, if you can't kill them in a horrible lab experiment, join them. 01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:36.640 I quite enjoyed that one. 01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:39.199 I enjoyed Batman Slapped Robin at one point. 01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:46.000 Recreating the Batman slapping Robin name slap, which that felt okay because again, it's funny how they can get away with some things and not others. 01:20:46.159 --> 01:20:48.159 That's a sort of pop culture reference. 01:20:48.319 --> 01:20:50.079 So it sort of works, you know what I mean? 01:20:50.239 --> 01:20:52.079 It's just like I think that's okay. 01:20:52.319 --> 01:20:57.039 Uh at one point, somebody levels the insult, your mother wears combat boots. 01:20:57.199 --> 01:20:58.399 I've not heard that. 01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:04.079 I thought Burt Ward did a really good job vocally in the two when he gets two-faced. 01:21:04.319 --> 01:21:07.920 I thought his the contrast between his two voices I thought were was brilliant. 01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:15.199 And more and more, like after seeing these two and revisiting some Batman 66 this week, the TV series. 01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:21.520 I think as a kid, because you're like, well, it's Batman, it's Batman's story that you're so into Batman. 01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:25.199 But Burt Ward is not the unsung hero, obviously, because that's not true. 01:21:25.279 --> 01:21:31.680 But I I think I walked away from both of these with just a real appreciation of how good Bert Ward is. 01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:38.640 And I think he's like he brings so much to the TV show, but so much to these two things, and he still sounds the same. 01:21:38.720 --> 01:21:41.920 He captures the performance and he's still got his voice is still the same. 01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:45.439 He or at least he manages to pitch it up a little bit to still sound the same. 01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:47.279 And bravo to Bert Ward. 01:21:47.439 --> 01:21:53.840 And any other time, in any other Batman where they try and bring Robin in, it's just fucking infuriating. 01:21:54.079 --> 01:21:57.600 And and yeah, Bert Ward makes it brilliant. 01:21:57.760 --> 01:22:00.319 Like you just love watching them two together. 01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:09.279 And as he's the voice of the audience, effectively, you know, he's the one that's got to ask Batman what's happening and working out the clues and express things, and things have to occur to him. 01:22:09.439 --> 01:22:18.640 Like as an audience member, that level of enthusiasm and and just drive and energy and zip for

everything is just infectious. 01:22:19.279 --> 01:22:26.079 It makes you excited because he's your identification point, and he's the most energetic little rock pocket rocket in the world. 01:22:26.239 --> 01:22:28.159 He's I just I just adore him. 01:22:28.239 --> 01:22:32.159 I'm now gonna hold up my Robin on the Batcycle thing that somebody bought me a couple of years ago. 01:22:32.399 --> 01:22:32.720 Beautiful. 01:22:32.880 --> 01:22:34.399 A beautiful toy of just Robin. 01:22:34.560 --> 01:22:35.520 I love Robin. 01:22:35.680 --> 01:23:02.960 I I think also because the series is so visually iconic and everybody knows what it looks like, it lends itself to merch as well in a way that other iterations of Batman, you've like, I'm sure if you're a kid and you've got your Robert Patterson Batman or whatever, or you're a collector with the really articulated one, but those characters, they're so comic and cartoon-like in a way, anyway, and so well realised that they just lend themselves to merchandising. 01:23:03.039 --> 01:23:15.199 And whether that's putting them on the cover of a diary or a tablecloth or whether you've got an action figure, I just think every time I see a bit of Batman 66 merch, I'm like, I want it, but I don't buy it because I'll be poor. 01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:16.960 Do we have anything more we want to say? 01:23:17.199 --> 01:23:18.720 Because it was nice to see the Bat Shield. 01:23:18.960 --> 01:23:23.680 But actually, the Bat Shield's very, very cool, and when they use it in the TV show, it's actually incredibly cool. 01:23:23.760 --> 01:23:24.800 So I'm glad they put that in there. 01:23:24.880 --> 01:23:26.399 There's a very, very good scene with the bat shield. 01:23:26.479 --> 01:23:27.119 We love the bat shield. 01:23:27.359 --> 01:23:30.479 That and and the inside road of the bat cave. 01:23:30.640 --> 01:23:31.840 Have we ever seen that before? 01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:33.199 That's in that is in this. 01:23:33.439 --> 01:23:34.640 No, I don't think we have. 01:23:34.800 --> 01:23:35.520 Excellent point. 01:23:35.600 --> 01:23:36.800 Yeah, that was really exciting. 01:23:36.880 --> 01:23:38.640 I was like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. 01:23:38.800 --> 01:23:39.439 This is so exciting. 01:23:39.520 --> 01:23:40.560 I've never seen any exciting bits. 01:23:44.319 --> 01:23:46.239 I'd never seen that before anywhere. 01:23:46.479 --> 01:23:48.159 That's that's a fan-pleasing moment. 01:23:48.239 --> 01:23:55.439 Because obviously in the series, they're going from set, drive out of the set, the corner of the set, to cut to that rope. 01:23:55.600 --> 01:23:56.800 What are you talking about, man? 01:23:56.880 --> 01:23:58.159 It goes from the Batcave out of the back. 01:23:58.399 --> 01:23:59.199 How can we do that? 01:23:59.359 --> 01:24:00.159 It's the real thing. 01:24:00.399 --> 01:24:06.239 We haven't mentioned the Batmobile in either of them because I think it's a piece of iconography we're so used to seeing everywhere. 01:24:06.319 --> 01:24:10.399 Any Comic Con you go to, there's a fucking 66 Batmobile. 01:24:10.560 --> 01:24:15.199 But it still looks fucking cool, whether it's animated or in the flesh in the other one. 01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:16.640 It's the it's the It's the best one. 01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:17.840 It's the coolest car ever. 01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:18.640 Yeah, it's the best one. 01:24:19.359 --> 01:24:20.399 It is the coolest car ever. 01:24:20.479 --> 01:24:26.800 And again, it was really nice in the the previous one, the documentary, they sort of said that it was based on a 1955 Lincoln Futura or whatever. 01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:29.920 Like, and it is just so it's perfect. 01:24:30.079 --> 01:24:33.840 Like you like, I'm really delighted to hear you say you can't improve on it because I just don't think you can. 01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:35.119 It's so beautiful. 01:24:35.279 --> 01:24:38.239 The fire out of the back is is incredible. 01:24:38.479 --> 01:24:43.600 There are other iconic Batmobiles, but this the 66 Batmobile is the best design. 01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:52.399 I've got to say, this is really good, but there was a very, very, I was talking like right back, like when I was a kid, everyone had a Superman something, everyone had a Spider-Man something, everyone had a Batman something. 01:24:52.560 --> 01:24:58.159 And the the thing everybody had was a Corgi metal, Corgi metal car. 01:24:58.720 --> 01:25:01.680 Good news, they've just last year reissued it. 01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:08.399 Corgi have reissued a brand new, like beautiful with all the with all the features that they weren't allowed to put in the time. 01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:10.960 They're like there's a little buzzsaw thing that comes out the back. 01:25:11.039 --> 01:25:12.239 There's rockets that fire. 01:25:12.399 --> 01:25:17.199 It's 39 quid, and you can buy it now, and I'm just gonna have to go and buy it because it's beautiful. 01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:21.199 I think I had one that must have been from a jumble sale or something like that when that was at the end of the year. 01:25:21.359 --> 01:25:21.840 Everyone had one. 01:25:22.319 --> 01:25:23.760 They've been knocking around for years, yeah. 01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:27.039 It would have been 20, 30 years old or whatever, made of lead. 01:25:27.119 --> 01:25:30.000 I was probably sucking on it and giving myself lead poison. 01:25:30.560 --> 01:25:32.640 That's what childhood was all about, you know. 01:25:32.720 --> 01:25:37.840 Like if at least one of your toys doesn't give you a condition later in life, then what's the point? 01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:39.039 What's the point? 01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:47.600 I went into these two things expecting to enjoy this animation more and actually to, as I mentioned, really not get on with the first one. 01:25:47.760 --> 01:25:52.720 I enjoyed them both, but the first one I think I would I will watch again at some point in my life. 01:25:52.880 --> 01:25:54.239 It'll be

late one Friday night. 01:25:54.319 --> 01:25:57.119 I'm half a bottle of wine deep, and I'll be like, I'll put that on. 01:25:57.439 --> 01:25:59.119 This, lovely to have. 01:25:59.279 --> 01:26:11.840 I will check out the other animation at some point, but I don't think it really added anything for me apart from ticking the two-faced box and just seeing them play the roles one more time, but nice to have. 01:26:12.079 --> 01:26:13.520 And it's a good solid effort, I think. 01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:17.359 Like I said, at the time, when I saw it first time around, I was like, oh, this is really good. 01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:20.720 But but yeah, I think other things have sort of superseded it. 01:26:21.039 --> 01:26:22.159 So we must rate it. 01:26:22.319 --> 01:26:25.119 Is it a clanger, a banger, or an average meander? 01:26:25.359 --> 01:26:27.359 Uh I go average meander. 01:26:27.520 --> 01:26:34.399 It's heart's in the right place, it captures the era, but there's no real reason why it should exist. 01:26:34.560 --> 01:26:37.039 I think it's a fine way to pass an hour. 01:26:37.279 --> 01:26:39.760 Yeah, I think I I probably would have said banger at the time. 01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:46.239 I think some people will find it a banger, but I am more inclined in comparison when you see something like the other one, I th or something like the animated series. 01:26:46.319 --> 01:26:49.359 I think I'm gonna sort of categorize that as an average meander. 01:26:49.840 --> 01:26:51.439 It's another average meander for me. 01:26:51.520 --> 01:27:04.880 I think everybody puts in a lot of effort to make it, and I think it's a lot of fun, but I can only compare it back to back with these two things, and this just isn't as good as Return to the Batcave, but still well worth a watch if you're a fan. 01:27:07.039 --> 01:27:11.199 So, to wrap things up, I have two questions for you. 01:27:11.439 --> 01:27:14.239 Was it right to end the show when it ended? 01:27:14.479 --> 01:27:20.399 Was there room for more Batman 66, be it in the 60s or maybe bought back a few years later, something like that? 01:27:20.479 --> 01:27:20.880 I don't know. 01:27:20.960 --> 01:27:21.840 What do you think? 01:27:22.079 --> 01:27:26.880 Um, despite being a huge Batman 66 fan, or maybe because I'm one, I think it was right. 01:27:27.039 --> 01:27:27.680 It's weird. 01:27:27.760 --> 01:27:33.680 Although it's poppy and cheap and should be easy to do, it series season three does get tired. 01:27:34.079 --> 01:27:35.760 It does start to feel just I don't know why. 01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:41.039 It's hard to imagine it ever not, but and it's always sort of fun, but it does run out of steam a bit. 01:27:41.119 --> 01:27:43.520 And bringing back girl was okay, but it does dilute it. 01:27:43.680 --> 01:27:45.760 So actually, I think it was right to finish it at the time. 01:27:46.079 --> 01:27:54.159 I think there's a thing with American television of the time where they're going for that syndication thing if you need three seasons of like 24 episodes or whatever it is. 01:27:54.319 --> 01:28:05.359 But sometimes there's a case of you see the same thing again and again and again and over again, where actually If it had run for the whole of the sixties with the same number of episodes, by the end of the sixties you would have gone, that's right. 01:28:05.439 --> 01:28:08.880 But three seasons sounds like a small amount of stuff, but it's not. 01:28:08.960 --> 01:28:09.920 There's loads of it there. 01:28:10.079 --> 01:28:14.000 I don't think it's something that you marathon and do loads and loads and loads and loads and loads of episodes. 01:28:14.159 --> 01:28:16.000 But whenever you jump in, you have a good time. 01:28:16.079 --> 01:28:17.600 So I think there's just enough of it. 01:28:17.760 --> 01:28:20.159 And you know, the the film they do as well is a lot of fun. 01:28:20.560 --> 01:28:26.399 Yeah, like I've still got like 80 episodes to watch, and I'm in no real rush to watch them. 01:28:26.479 --> 01:28:32.479 Like you're right, there it's just not something that I particularly want to marathon and I feel like it's always there. 01:28:32.640 --> 01:28:55.600 It it's not it hasn't got that sort of Doctor Who thing in me where I just need to go complete it now or watch it now because they sort of all feel like quite the same, and that's the nice thing about it, but it it doesn't really sort of renovate or move on because it is a very 60s thing and a and a s a very sort of particular product. 01:28:55.760 --> 01:28:57.520 Yeah, like it's impossible. 01:28:57.680 --> 01:29:04.640 Uh to me, I just can't think of it ever being remade or redone in any sort of way, not Batman 66. 01:29:04.800 --> 01:29:07.600 So yeah, it did end at the right time. 01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:15.920 And I touched a bit on this at the beginning, but Luke, do you think there is room for a more comedic or at least more fun take on Batman now? 01:29:16.640 --> 01:29:18.880 Uh I'm not the man with the vision. 01:29:19.039 --> 01:29:21.920 Um I I I hope so. 01:29:22.079 --> 01:29:27.680 I I don't know, you know, I can only really base it on like the Batman, because that's our most recent thing. 01:29:27.920 --> 01:29:29.840 But it does, yeah, it does sort of feel strange. 01:29:29.920 --> 01:29:36.479 So you have like the Nolan trilogy, which is generally regarded as like it knocked it out of the park, and that took Batman Darker. 01:29:36.800 --> 01:29:44.960 So to then do DC Universe, where he's a bit miserable, and then do the Batman where Bruce Wayne is effectively like a loner goth. 01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:50.479 It's sort of like sort of waiting for that for something a bit more fun. 01:29:50.640 --> 01:29:57.359 It maybe the Batman, the brute uh the Robbie Patterson one would be prime for having a Robin in it. 01:29:57.439 --> 01:30:03.359 Now that they've done the first one, maybe it would be prime for sort of let unlocking him a bit with a Robin.

01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:10.800 Because I thought there was elements in it, like Zoe Kravitz's Catwoman was great, and you know, I thought his Batman was great, I just didn't gel with his Bruce Wayne. 01:30:10.880 --> 01:30:18.720 I think that boils down to something I said very early on about the alter ego's gotta be just as good as the superhero to to really get on board with it. 01:30:18.880 --> 01:30:22.000 But yeah, I think it's hard, isn't it? 01:30:22.239 --> 01:30:29.600 Just get that as soon as they start to go silly, they just get absolutely panned in this day and age, and I think big companies are scared of that. 01:30:29.840 --> 01:30:33.359 But I think I think it needs it at some point. 01:30:33.600 --> 01:30:36.319 I think someone's gotta be brave enough to do it, just a little bit. 01:30:36.560 --> 01:30:45.039 I mean, things like Guardians of the Galaxy and stuff like that, and even the later Thor films veer more into comedy, so it can be done if you've got the right person in charge of it. 01:30:45.199 --> 01:30:49.119 And I think people are always like, oh Batman, it's gothic, he's the he's the dark detective. 01:30:49.439 --> 01:30:58.079 Yeah, it's really interesting because actually Batman 66 was obviously a huge, huge hit, but actually, comic book fans, there was a big backlash against it. 01:30:58.159 --> 01:31:02.960 They hated it because I mean, even back then there was no real comic culture like we have now. 01:31:03.039 --> 01:31:10.720 Um and they actually, so Batman 66 was really panned by the critics and the experts who loved the comic and thought this was too silly. 01:31:10.880 --> 01:31:15.439 And then of course it came back and it's like, okay, like I said, in 1989, the excitement was it's gonna be dark. 01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:18.399 And then when it starts to get comedic, totally slagged off. 01:31:18.479 --> 01:31:20.239 But it's been dark ever since. 01:31:20.479 --> 01:31:25.600 And I think then then I have to believe there is some variety or some room for another tone of it. 01:31:25.680 --> 01:31:34.880 And when you look at, I think when you look at Spider-Man and in like into the Spider-Ver, they managed to do something that I don't like multiverse stuff at all in any format. 01:31:34.960 --> 01:31:36.319 I don't like multiverses. 01:31:36.640 --> 01:31:45.680 And yet what they did with that was completely unexpected, it was funny, but it was incredibly cool. 01:31:46.079 --> 01:31:46.800 And and really good. 01:31:46.880 --> 01:31:51.039 So you have to I have to have hope that someone will find people will always return to the story. 01:31:51.119 --> 01:31:56.239 It's an old detective noir story, but you have to hope that someone's got to do something good with it. 01:31:56.399 --> 01:31:59.760 But uh all Hollywood will generally stick to now is just dark because it sells. 01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:11.840 I don't like animation, but what they did with those two Spider-Man films is brilliant, and yeah, there's

there's definitely, you know, fresh takes that can be can be done. 01:32:12.000 --> 01:32:15.439 It's completely new Spider-Man, and yet all the Spider-Man at the same time. 01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:17.680 Yeah, you know, someone can do that with Batman. 01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:18.560 Excellent. 01:32:18.800 --> 01:32:26.560 Well, this has been an absolute hoot to jump into the world of Batman 66 and find out what that expanded universe looked like. 01:32:26.720 --> 01:32:32.399 There are a few other things out there that like there's the legend of the superheroes, which I've seen a little bit of from the 70s. 01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:34.079 I'd love to see that one day. 01:32:34.239 --> 01:32:34.640 Who knows? 01:32:34.800 --> 01:32:37.439 Maybe I can tempt you back for that in the future. 01:32:37.600 --> 01:32:39.680 Or maybe there's other shows we want to cover. 01:32:39.840 --> 01:32:44.159 But if people want to find you on the internet or on podcast, Luke Malloy, where can they find you? 01:32:44.560 --> 01:32:45.920 On TooOp for TV. 01:32:46.079 --> 01:32:50.079 Uh I'm on Strangers in Space, Hamster with a Blump Pen Knife. 01:32:50.159 --> 01:32:52.479 They're usually my my three haunts. 01:32:52.800 --> 01:32:54.239 Comrad, what about you? 01:32:54.560 --> 01:32:57.920 Yeah, I'm part of the Trap One gang on the podcast front. 01:32:58.000 --> 01:33:02.479 Um, but yeah, I'll I'll I'll do the odd Too Hot for TV now and again or the odd flights for entirety. 01:33:02.560 --> 01:33:06.239 But yeah, and you can find me on uh Blue Sky or anywhere at Hair of the Hound. 01:33:06.640 --> 01:33:08.479 Well, it's been a pleasure to have you both here. 01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:10.079 Thank you so much for joining me. 01:33:10.239 --> 01:33:15.760 If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts as it helps people to find the pod. 01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:22.000 Look for Too Hot for TV on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube at TooHotTheNumber4 Pod. 01:33:22.479 --> 01:33:27.520 That's Too Hot the number four pod for the latest updates and additional content. 01:33:27.760 --> 01:33:32.640 Next time, I'm going to be jumping into the expanded universe of Star Trek. 01:33:32.720 --> 01:33:34.479 But until then, I've been Dylan. 01:33:34.640 --> 01:33:35.520 I've been Conrad. 01:33:35.680 --> 01:33:36.640 And I've been Luke. 01:33:36.800 --> 01:33:38.960 And this has been Too Hot for TV. 01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:30.319 On my last Halloween costume, where I dressed up as Spider-Man, because I've always wanted to dress up as Spider-Man. 01:34:30.479 --> 01:34:32.079 So I dressed up as Spider-Man. 01:34:32.239 --> 01:34:37.039 And I but I got I kind of got the black, uh kind of quite cool, black Spidey outfit, which is quite cool. 01:34:37.199 --> 01:34:38.800 And I just wanted to just share this generally. 01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:44.880 Because in that first documentary, they show a lot about them getting into their costumes, which I very much enjoyed.

01:34:44.960 --> 01:34:51.279 Um because it is so weird, they're such strange costumes, but like just the experience of yeah, you really don't have to put this in. 01:34:51.439 --> 01:35:00.319 The experience of wearing on putting on an a sort of a second skin is really interesting. 01:35:00.560 --> 01:35:04.319 It's very comfortable, it's very cold if it's uh October. 01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:08.239 Um I had to stuff a sock down there, full disclosure, sorry. 01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:10.079 Um it's gonna look right, right? 01:35:10.159 --> 01:35:11.119 It's gonna look right. 01:35:11.199 --> 01:35:13.439 You don't want too much, you want to, it's just gonna look right. 01:35:13.680 --> 01:35:18.960 But the weirdest, weirdest thing was I I realize shooting words. 01:35:19.119 --> 01:35:20.079 You started shooting words. 01:35:20.720 --> 01:35:23.039 You start shooting something everywhere. 01:35:23.439 --> 01:35:24.399 That sock has full. 01:35:25.279 --> 01:35:26.079 Oh my god. 01:35:26.880 --> 01:35:28.159 Okay, this is definitely not going to. 01:35:28.479 --> 01:35:29.600 Or maybe it is, I don't know. 01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:32.319 Um but the the here's the weird thing. 01:35:32.399 --> 01:35:36.560 Um, because they've got this is a proper one where it's actually got soles in the feet. 01:35:36.640 --> 01:35:43.920 It's got proper it's like walking kind of fairly thin trainers, which is like which is great because it means you're not wearing trainers, you've got the proper feet. 01:35:44.239 --> 01:35:45.520 You wouldn't want to look ridiculous. 01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:46.560 What's that? 01:35:46.800 --> 01:35:48.319 You wouldn't want to look ridiculous. 01:35:48.640 --> 01:35:49.600 No, no, not at all. 01:35:49.760 --> 01:35:52.000 But you know, I what look if I do it, you just do it properly. 01:35:52.079 --> 01:35:52.560 Yeah, come in. 01:35:53.119 --> 01:35:54.880 A couple of a couple of things, a couple of things. 01:35:54.960 --> 01:36:08.159 With the second I put my foot, it's they're weird to get into, but the second I put my foot into the shoe and pulled the sort of spider thing over with it, my foot just w looked like the shape of like the spider, like like a superhero's animated foot. 01:36:08.239 --> 01:36:09.359 It kind of was like angular. 01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:11.439 And I was like, oh my god, that's weird. 01:36:11.600 --> 01:36:36.560 The really weird thing was though, I just so I thought the soles of the feet are okay, but the your vision's a bit odd because you kind of got it was like a it was the suit was obviously fabric, then you have a hard shell uh face, then you put the thing over it, then you've got two holes for the eyes, and then you magnetise on the two white uh things, which are made of like a white lattice thing, so you can see through it. 01:36:36.640 --> 01:36:38.479 And the visibility's not bad. 01:36:38.640 --> 01:36:39.920 Uh, this is totally relevant now. 01:36:40.079 --> 01:36:41.439 Don't put this in, this is exciting. 01:36:41.520 --> 01:36:44.720 Um, and I thought, oh it's it's gonna be too difficult. 01:36:44.800 --> 01:36:46.239 I can't go to a club or a bar or anything. 01:36:46.319 --> 01:36:50.239 So I'm just gonna go for a walk around the streets of Birmingham and just see what happens. 01:36:50.720 --> 01:36:56.479 Also, it was Halloween, so I'm like, if there's any I've always wanted to do this, so if any night you can do it, I'm gonna do this. 01:36:56.560 --> 01:36:58.720 So I only walked around the block a couple of times. 01:36:59.439 --> 01:37:02.479 And what happened was completely extraordinary. 01:37:04.159 --> 01:37:07.840 Everybody is extremely happy to see Spike. 01:37:08.560 --> 01:37:14.880 Um people are everybody is shouting, so there's like a bang on the window next to me. 01:37:15.760 --> 01:37:19.279 Blokes in the pub were just banging on the window, going, hey, hey, and they love it. 01:37:19.439 --> 01:37:27.680 Like huge gangs of scary-looking blokes coming towards you, and the second they see you, and you're basically mummy mincing down the street, basically naked, like it's it's very exposing. 01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:41.439 You feel you sort of feel like you're naked in a way, but like they were just delighted, and everyone was and and the way people were shouting out to you and calling out, not in a derisory way, they were all so happy to see you. 01:37:41.600 --> 01:37:44.319 I remember I I just had experience, no one talks to me like that. 01:37:44.479 --> 01:37:50.159 So I was like, it made me just go, God, whoever this guy is, people really like him. 01:37:50.479 --> 01:37:57.039 It was just it was I reckon I you I think you should everyone should try it once to try dressing up as a superhero character of some sort. 01:37:57.359 --> 01:38:00.560 It is, it makes you feel totally different. 01:38:00.640 --> 01:38:02.159 It was really exciting. 01:38:02.319 --> 01:38:06.960 The only thing is, there was a couple of the one advantage was I got in and I was just like, Do you know what? 01:38:07.119 --> 01:38:08.880 It's great because I'm sort of I took the mask off. 01:38:08.960 --> 01:38:11.359 I was like, I'm ready for bed, I'm basically wearing a onesie. 01:38:11.520 --> 01:38:15.199 So this is great, very cozy to sleep in, highly recommend it. 01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:18.319 Three in the morning when you need to get up for the loop. 01:38:18.479 --> 01:38:27.680 Uh, two things, switch on the hotel mirror, and you're like, oh my fucking Christ, it's Spider-Man with your head on your like, and you've you've got spidey hands, and it's like it's really weird. 01:38:27.840 --> 01:38:35.199 And then you go, Oh, time for going for a pee, and you're like, and you realize you have to unzip yourself to try and have a pee. 01:38:35.279 --> 01:38:35.840 So there you go. 01:38:35.920 --> 01:38:38.000 I thought I'd just give you the like you could put that in or not. 01:38:38.399 --> 01:38:40.239 Right, that's next Halloween.

01:38:40.319 --> 01:38:47.039 I'm walking the streets just as Cariz, and I can't wait to see the people that come up smiling, saying hello. 01:38:47.439 --> 01:38:48.319 It does show, do you know what? 01:38:48.399 --> 01:38:49.439 I did see bless him. 01:38:49.520 --> 01:38:53.760 There was one kid who cosplayed as that when he's fate, he had all this stuff on his face and everything. 01:38:53.840 --> 01:38:55.119 There's one kid who did, bless him. 01:38:55.359 --> 01:39:09.520 But yeah, to be honest, it meant anything, it just shows you the difference between between everyday you and and it was I I can't, it's really, I think I just described it as best I could, but it wasn't just people going, people were really happy, they were so excited. 01:39:09.600 --> 01:39:13.680 They just everyone just for blokes, particularly, they just forgot themselves completely. 01:39:14.079 --> 01:39:18.319 So, hey, it's by haven't you had to just go like this and we're like that and give them a lot of and they just loved it. 01:39:18.560 --> 01:39:20.000 I was just like, do you know what? 01:39:20.159 --> 01:39:22.159 I'm I'm I think I'm gonna get a sort of classic. 01:39:22.560 --> 01:39:23.840 I see, I've got one here, I've got one of those. 01:39:24.079 --> 01:39:26.319 I might get myself a classic one of those. 01:39:26.479 --> 01:39:29.439 And anytime you're feeling depressed or sad, I'll just put that on. 01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:33.359 And also, that was at night, just around the block, so there weren't even any freaking kids around. 01:39:33.520 --> 01:39:36.239 So I was like, if you like, it's nuts. 01:39:36.319 --> 01:39:38.319 So I just think I might just get one of those outfits. 01:39:38.399 --> 01:39:40.159 But next year, basically, I'm gonna try. 01:39:40.239 --> 01:39:41.840 I've got to get I'll just have to find a boy. 01:39:41.920 --> 01:39:43.760 Maybe Luke, you could be a Robin, who knows? 01:39:43.840 --> 01:39:45.840 But I'd like to um You would make a good Robin. 01:39:47.039 --> 01:39:47.359 Yeah. 01:39:49.520 --> 01:39:50.880 That's right, that's exactly right. 01:39:50.960 --> 01:39:51.920 That's just what I was thinking. 01:39:52.000 --> 01:39:52.319 Well done. 01:39:52.399 --> 01:39:52.880 Yeah, no. 01:39:52.960 --> 01:39:56.880 I've got once in my life, I've got to try dressing up as a good robin, actually. 01:39:56.960 --> 01:39:58.880 I've got a fancy chess party coming up in May. 01:39:59.439 --> 01:40:00.880 And a massive penis. 01:40:02.560 --> 01:40:03.680 How tall are you? 01:40:03.840 --> 01:40:04.720 How tall are you? 01:40:05.039 --> 01:40:06.079 Five ten. 01:40:06.800 --> 01:40:07.920 Five something's great. 01:40:08.720 --> 01:40:09.439 Five something's great. 01:40:09.520 --> 01:40:09.600 Yeah. 01:40:09.760 --> 01:40:10.640 I'm six foot something. 01:40:10.800 --> 01:40:13.760 I could go for uh but I've got to do Batman 66. 01:40:15.119 --> 01:40:17.600 Well, I'm not gonna go as the Clooney Robin, am I? 01:40:19.520 --> 01:40:21.680 It depends what kind of party, depends what kind of party it is. 01:40:22.720 --> 01:40:24.960 I'll come as that was a really long side hop. 01:40:25.039 --> 01:40:25.359 I'm really sorry. 01:40:25.439 --> 01:40:27.520 I can you just you might need to do gear to get back on track. 01:40:27.600 --> 01:40:28.000 I'm so sorry. 01:40:28.079 --> 01:40:30.000 I just that'll be the post-credits thing. 01:40:30.079 --> 01:40:32.000 Uh I'll show up, I'll show up as Mr. 01:40:32.079 --> 01:40:32.960 Freeze, I think. 01:40:33.359 --> 01:40:35.039 Let's kick some ice. 01:40:37.520 --> 01:40:38.239 Do you know what? 01:40:38.319 --> 01:40:39.600 You'd be really good as Mr. 01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:40.000 Freeze. 01:40:40.079 --> 01:40:41.840 You'd do the whole character as well, it'd be brilliant. 01:40:42.079 --> 01:40:43.520 I could I could I could do a freeze. 01:40:43.600 --> 01:40:44.880 I'm too tall to be the penguin. 01:40:45.119 --> 01:40:45.680 Can you do Mr. 01:40:45.760 --> 01:40:46.960 Freeze for your wedding? 01:40:47.199 --> 01:40:48.560 Yes, yes, I will. 01:40:49.600 --> 01:40:54.159 I'm I'm sure I'm I'm struggling to find what to wear, so that could be the answer. 01:40:54.720 --> 01:40:56.399 Yeah, it's poison ivy or something. 01:40:57.600 --> 01:40:59.199 She said it's got to be a suit. 01:40:59.279 --> 01:41:01.600 She didn't say it couldn't be a bat suit. 01:41:02.159 --> 01:41:02.640 There we go. 01:41:02.800 --> 01:41:03.920 I'm really sorry, Dun. 01:41:04.159 --> 01:41:06.319 That little anecdote is just completely derailed the whole thing. 01:41:06.399 --> 01:41:07.920 Should we just get back on track to Rackle? 01:41:08.239 --> 01:41:11.439 I mean, I mean I mean, look, there isn't much more to say. 01:41:12.000 --> 01:41:15.439 No, I had one more note, which was it was nice to see the bat shield. 01:41:18.159 --> 01:41:19.279 So it was set it properly. 01:41:19.359 --> 01:41:19.760 Let's do it now. 01:41:19.840 --> 01:41:20.479 Let's do it now. 01:41:20.800 --> 01:41:22.640 It was nice to see the bat shield. 01:41:24.319 --> 01:41:26.960 I was gonna say, do we have anything more we want to say? 01:41:27.359 --> 01:41:28.800 Let's let's do it now. 01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:36.960 Has anybody seen the bat shield recently? 01:41:38.079 --> 01:41:44.479 Um it was nice to see the bat shield in in um this two face animation that we watched.