Full Transcript for Ep. 90 - Genetically Enhancing the Jetsons

stance is an 66 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:18.959 admirates right, but I have integrity. 67 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:22.279 It's called integrity people, and beautiful air. Well. 68 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:24.160 Hey, for anybody who's listening for the first time, well 69 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:26.680 you are in for a treat. Every new episode of 70 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:29.279 the Three Questions, Three Drinks podcast is your own personal 71 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:32.879 invitation to a cocktail party for inquisitive people, where we 72 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:35.319 pour a few drinks, ask a few questions about a 73 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:38.439 thought provoking topic, and stir it all up into a 74 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:40.639 conversation that you feel like you're a part of. I 75 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:43.920 think it's more interesting with every sip, and our first 76 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:46.399 question today is one that I have wondered about for 77 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:47.920 a long time. I'm going to lead us off if 78 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:48.600 you guys don't mind. 79 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:51.319 You're doing a great job so far. Honestly, you're hired. 80 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:56.240 Thanks for a second. Can you say, like broadly what 81 00:04:56.279 --> 00:04:58.279 our topic is before the question? 82 00:04:58.480 --> 00:04:59.879 See, maybe I'm not doing such a great job. 83 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:02.480 No you are. I mean that intro was ten out 84 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:02.800 of ten. 85 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:06.199 Yeah, so we were kicking around some possible themes. You 86 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:07.959 would actually got the ball rolling. So they have got 87 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:11.000 some weird questions. And I sort of noticed that a 88 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:13.079 lot of the weird questions that you had kind of 89 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:17.800 pitched as possible conversation starters were broadly connected to this 90 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:24.759 emerging world of biotechnology, right, the ability of scientists, of doctors, 91 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:28.560 of people wearing white lab coats to do weird and 92 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:32.800 potentially awesome and frightening things to human beings and other animals. 93 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:35.199 So is that a topic? Can I? 94 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:35.800 I think so? 95 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:41.360 So it's sort of like weird ethical questions regarding technology 96 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:42.399 and humanity and. 97 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:46.040 Technology and humanity. Right, So the biotech stuff got them. Yeah, 98 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:48.519 we're talking about what it means to live in the 99 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:49.480 biotech century. 100 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:52.040 Yeah, I thought your Jetson's analogy was apt. 101 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:54.160 Well, thank you, thank you. But you know, the Jetsons, 102 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:57.199 it's interesting because they

were not bioengineered. All of their 103 00:05:57.240 --> 00:05:59.079 tech was the kind of stuff. Yeah, you would easily 104 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:00.879 imagine in the late fifths in early sixties. 105 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:01.079 Right. 106 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:04.399 It was just like a high tech version of American 107 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:07.439 life in nineteen sixty two, right, Like social roles changed, 108 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:08.839 nothing fundamentally different. 109 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:11.319 I didn't realize that it was tech set in twenty 110 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:13.839 sixty two, which feasibly we could see. 111 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:16.000 Man, I don't think about that, but that is true. 112 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:17.959 I was struck because I of course looked that up 113 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:20.240 on Wikipedia. I'm not a huge Jetsons fan. I didn't 114 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:22.160 know off the top of my head when exactly the 115 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:25.560 Jetsons started, but it immediately struck me that we are 116 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:30.680 closer in time to twenty sixty two than the pilot 117 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:32.199 episode of The Jetsons. 118 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:33.480 In nineteen sixty Yeah. A lot closer. 119 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:36.920 Yeah, which is terrifying. I think it is terfing. But 120 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:39.839 any hell, you know what I said question, Well, I 121 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:41.360 got a little too fast. Yeah. I started to talking 122 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:44.199 about my question because I'm so excited. But let's start 123 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:46.639 with a drink, shall we please. So I'm excited. I've 124 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:50.000 made a beverage that I have never ever had before, 125 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:52.959 but a good friend of mine has recommended my friend Kevin, 126 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:55.560 who also made this drink possible today, actually because it 127 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:59.360 includes a very difficult to get ingredients. It's made with chartruse, 128 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:02.560 which I'm not even sure where you get it, but 129 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:04.600 apparently it's very difficult. Chris, you're looking like you know 130 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:05.199 how to get shirt. 131 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:08.920 Well, two things. Number one, Shartruce is widely available. Yeah, 132 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:10.839 I mean they say it attack me which is our 133 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:11.759 local grocery store. 134 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:14.759 Oh my gosh, but I thought I thought you were 135 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:17.600 going to thank me for making it possible, because you did. 136 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:20.480 You not text me beforehand saying do you have any 137 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:23.879 Maraschino Liqueur? And I said I do, And then you 138 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:26.279 said you also that being I could borrow some, and 139 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:28.759 I said I'll have to think about it, and I 140 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:29.800 finally relented. 141 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:34.040 So I would like to publicly apologie in front of 142 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:36.319 all of our friends who are listening. Chris, I'm so 143 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:39.560 sorry this drink was made possible both by Kevin, who 144 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:41.079 turns out to be a liar about how hard it 145 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:45.879 is to get shartruse, and Chris, who's Marshino Liqueur Lexarto 146 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:48.759 and you're welcome. Really save the day. So on this 147 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:51.519 uplifting note. What I've made here is a last word. 148 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:57.920 The last equal parts dry gin chartreuse, Lexardo cherry liqueur 149 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:02.439 and freshly square used lime juice. So it looks so good. 150 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:05.480 You did such a great and you may want to 151 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:11.439 note you've got a Lusardo cherry on the little spear 152 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:13.959 of it. Just looks such a beautiful drink in this. 153 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:16.000 We couldn't check the three Q, three D social media. 154 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:17.800 Yes at three Drinks podcasts. 155 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:19.079 I also love these glasses. 156 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:21.079 I just want to say, I love a good coop 157 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:24.800 a coop man that is delicious. Kevin, in spite of 158 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:28.040 your lying, I believe you again. 159 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:29.519 I love this drink so much. 160 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:30.160 Is amazing. 161 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:32.960 It's very good, excellent. It's one of my favorite cocktails. 162 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:36.399 It's a go to if I'm traveling somewhere and you 163 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:39.519 see it here and there on menus, and most decent 164 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:43.600 bars will have the ingredients to make it. And I 165 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:45.759 do this once in a while if i'm if I'm 166 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:48.679 out like a fancy speakeasy or something. 167 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:49.519 It's a good one. 168 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:51.000 It is highly recommended. 169 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:51.759 All right. 170 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:56.159 So now that our our our our palets and our 171 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:58.840 minds have been enhanced by this beverage. I've got a 172 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:02.960 question that ballpark that I wanted to ask, something that 173 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:06.879 is rapidly becoming a real possibility. I mean, all of 174 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:09.879 us have kids. It's likely that at some point in 175 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:13.440 the maybe not too distant future, we will be grandparents ourselves, 176 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:15.679 and a question that some of our kids may have 177 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:20.159 to wrestle with

concerns not just whether and when to 178 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:25.200 have children, but whether it whether it's a good idea 179 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:30.840 to use the tools of genetic engineering to give them, 180 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:33.840 you know, better skills. Should parents be allowed This is 181 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:38.000 my question. Should parents be allowed to genetically enhance their kids? 182 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:44.639 Should parents be allowed to genetically enhance their kids? Wow? 183 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:48.159 I mean this that's a big question, and it has. 184 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:51.039 A there's a lot of like what counts as genetically enhanced? 185 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:53.279 Right? So, I mean. 186 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:57.600 This is a really heavy thing to say right off 187 00:09:57.600 --> 00:10:01.000 the bat, but I mean we're already doing it to 188 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:03.279 some degree when you think about it, when you think 189 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:06.919 about when you know we're all parents here, and I'm 190 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:11.399 assuming you guys did this too. Where we went when 191 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:13.480 when my wife was pregnant, we went and they did 192 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.639 the tests for certain birth effects or you know, like 193 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:18.600 spina bifida or some things like that. 194 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:19.279 Did not do that? 195 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:21.559 Okay, because I actually I think we could. 196 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:25.000 Yeah, right, So the main reason why people sure. 197 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:27.320 Test right, and that's my point is in a way, 198 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:32.960 we're sort of engineering out some genetic Uh I guess 199 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:34.240 what's the word like marks? 200 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:34.840 Yeah? 201 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:39.000 Where I mean something close to ninety percent of Down 202 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:40.720 syndrome babies are aborted. 203 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:46.000 And so you know, I think the question boy, but. 204 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:47.759 The fact that something is being done hardly makes it 205 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:49.360 a good thing. I mean, all of us will agree 206 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:49.759 on that. 207 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:52.159 Sure, But I think your question is more about like 208 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:55.039 if you could, Well, it's to me it's twofold, like 209 00:10:55.159 --> 00:10:58.759 could you if you could engineer out, for example, cystic fibrosis, 210 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:02.080 would you choose to do that and eliminate that possibility 211 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:06.480 versus also if you could engineer in blue eyes or 212 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:08.399 an athleticism or a. 213 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:11.200 Char So let me sharpen the question a little bit, 214 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:13.360 because you're right about that, and Amanda, you were

hinting 215 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:15.600 at it in your initial comment. Right, you can make 216 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:22.799 a distinction between therapeutic treatments and enhancements. It's very difficult 217 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:24.559 to figure out how to draw that line in a 218 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:27.679 kind of principled way. But if we set that problem aside, 219 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:29.840 just for the sake of this conversation and say, look, 220 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:33.120 there's some things that do seem to clearly count as enhancements. 221 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:36.679 If if we you know, we joke about well, actually 222 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:38.919 it's not joking that Chris has magnificent hair and I'm 223 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:41.279 tragically bald. 224 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:44.720 But I'm also not very tall like you are six two. 225 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:48.320 So like if Chris wanted to engineer his kids to 226 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:50.360 be six to two, if I wanted to engineer our 227 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:52.080 kids to have beautiful flowing locks. 228 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:53.240 Can you imagine your kids? 229 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:57.000 Do we should have had a kid together? We still. 230 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:02.440 I'm a little bit un I'm a little bit rock 231 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:04.320 and roll. You two are on the verge of a duet. 232 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:05.279 I can't wait to hear it. 233 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:08.480 Well maybe maybe after the third okay, lights down a little, 234 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:14.279 but so, recognizing that it's tough to draw a hard 235 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:18.840 and fast line between therapy and enhancements, there are some 236 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:22.720 things that surely clearly count as enhancements, and I'm wondering 237 00:12:22.759 --> 00:12:27.440 about those should we allow, granted that the technology will 238 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:29.799 exist soon for already. 239 00:12:29.559 --> 00:12:31.639 Does I'm sure it already does in some ways. 240 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:34.080 Right, Yeah, I mean you can engineer in certain things 241 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:38.759 like eye color, and I imagine at some point IQ 242 00:12:38.960 --> 00:12:39.559 to some degree. 243 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:41.679 Well that's that's one of the things that people wonder about. 244 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:43.559 Boy. 245 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:45.440 So let's suppose to the take an argument that you 246 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:48.120 can that we figure out how to raise somebody's IQ 247 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:52.600 by manipulating the genome when they're just you know, a blastocyst, 248 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:54.519 when they're just a handful of cells. 249 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:58.799 So this doesn't get at the my answer, like one 250 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:00.399 thing to think about, and it's a and get at 251 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:03.320 the sort of essential part of that question is that 252 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:06.360 anytime you start talking about these things, the question of 253 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:09.840 like who gets it right, like in terms of different 254 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:14.559 socioeconomics exactly exactly, that's what I mean. Who's making those choices? 255 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:17.000 Who gets it, who doesn't? And are you then perpet 256 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:21.559 like we already obviously have a kind of unequal system 257 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:24.440 in lots of ways, like it it exacerbates that right 258 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:28.039 in serious ways, So that that's like that doesn't get 259 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:29.759 at the central like is it ethical? 260 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:31.039 Like it's one one. 261 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:32.480 Question one of the questions you have to ask and 262 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:34.679 deciding whether ought to be allowed, right, and it's one 263 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:36.440 of the main ones. I mean, what would happen if 264 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:39.120 if we acknowledge, the degree to which people think this 265 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:42.720 is a bad thing, you know, varies widely, but nobody 266 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:44.840 denies that there's a pretty big gap between the haves 267 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:47.720 and the have nots in our society. And it sure 268 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:50.360 seems inevitable that unless you're going to have some kind 269 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.240 of like top down government mandates, if these technologies are 270 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:57.200 widely available, that they're not going to be free, right, 271 00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:59.320 And it's going to be the wealthiest who already have 272 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:01.960 tons of built advantagers, already send their kids to you know, 273 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:03.799 private lessons for this and this and that and the 274 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:05.879 best schools and blah blah blah. They're gonna be the 275 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:08.639 same people who are then able to genetically engineer their 276 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:11.200 kids to be these superhumans while the rest of us 277 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:14.159 shlubs are are left, you know, cleaning toilets for a 278 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:16.000 living because we can't compete in the in the job 279 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:19.519 market or whatever, right, or the relationship market or. 280 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:28.879 H I mean, my immediate reaction is the first of all, 281 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:30.919 the kid doesn't get to choose, and so like if 282 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:33.879 you engineered in like, I want this kid to be 283 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:37.519 athletic and strong or something, And what if they all 284 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:38.120 they wanted to. 285 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:42.279 Do was paint and didn't care, you know, And he's 286 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:44.240 like I didn't or she I

didn't get a choice 287 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:44.720 in this. 288 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:48.679 And yeah, I think so look to put my cars 289 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:50.080 on the table. And this is a question I've thought 290 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:53.039 about a bit, and I'm I am deeply opposed to 291 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:56.360 these genetic enhancements. And for me, the main issue is 292 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:00.279 what it does to both are our conception of of 293 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:04.519 what and who children are and the significance of parenting 294 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:06.440 and the nature of the parent child relationship. And so 295 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:08.159 I think Chris, you're getting one of the things that 296 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:10.679 really matters here. If you're a parent and you spent 297 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:13.720 like twenty grand on engineering your kid to be a 298 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:16.440 Division one football player and he just wants to paint 299 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:20.440 right damps or sing or whatever, Like, what does that 300 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:23.360 do to that relationship? That's just one of a million 301 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:23.679 of those. 302 00:15:23.799 --> 00:15:25.799 It also already is going on in a way if 303 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:27.840 you think about if you think about it, it's already 304 00:15:27.879 --> 00:15:30.200 kind of being done. And that haves and have nots. 305 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:34.320 I mean, even like superficially cosmetically. You think about people 306 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:37.360 that get botox or lip fillers or boob jobs. 307 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:41.759 Or hair implants or whatever, or hire a personal trainer. 308 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:42.480 I mean, there is. 309 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:44.960 People that it's more rare for people to do that 310 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:45.600 to their kids. 311 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:47.879 So what I'm saying is like, and by the way, 312 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:49.879 like your point about raising your kid to get the 313 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:53.960 best coaching, be on the travel teams, all those things, 314 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:56.360 so that you're hoping they get a Division one scholarship. 315 00:15:56.440 --> 00:15:59.200 Here instead, it's like you're starting before the kids even born, 316 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:01.720 Like you're making right now. People are doing it like 317 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:04.440 crazy after the kid is born. But here you're going like, 318 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:07.759 I'm actually going to take a step backward and started earlier. 319 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:09.759 I hate that because I think it's stupid. 320 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:14.080 Now no, and it diminishes some of our pursuit of excellence. 321 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:18.600 I mean when you were talking about the travel teams 322 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:20.720 and all that kind of stuff, I mean immediately righted 323

00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:23.559 one of my favorite movies, Gatica. Have you seen Gattika 324 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:24.120 a long. 325 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:25.480 Time ago, so I don't remember the details, but I 326 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:26.519 remember the main thing. 327 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:29.320 Yeah, it's really good listeners if you have not seen Gatika, 328 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:31.720 totally worth watching. Just a great film in its own right, 329 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:33.679 but it raises a lot of these questions and one 330 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:35.919 of the things, you know, at the risk of a spoiler, 331 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:37.879 forgive me, but The movie is almost thirty years old 332 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:39.879 at this point, but one of the main characters is 333 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:42.799 somebody who was genetically engineered to be a world class swimmer, 334 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:44.720 and it turns out at some point in the movie 335 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:48.240 that he won the silver medal at the Olympics and 336 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:51.240 that ruined his life because the only thing his life 337 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:55.120 was ever about was being the best, and suddenly he 338 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:56.840 was the second best. 339 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:57.080 And. 340 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:01.960 His life no longer had any meaning or coherence, and 341 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:04.759 it just really interesting. But Amanda, you right to say 342 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:08.000 something when I started talking about movies from the nineties, I. 343 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:10.160 Always have something to say about movies from the nineties. No, 344 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:13.400 I guess, like I am with you, I wholly oppose 345 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:16.160 them as well. Like I think I think it's on 346 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:18.920 the enhancement side. I think it's much thornier on the 347 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:24.160 other side. But no, I think that all the things 348 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:26.200 that people talk about, like our examples we've been throwing out, 349 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:30.400 like genetically engineering someone to be the best athlete or IQ, 350 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:34.759 to me, these are not these are not problems, like 351 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:37.480 that's not the problem with our society, like we don't 352 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:41.400 have good enough athletes, or like people with high IQs 353 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:46.000 like and so it's a purely individualist vision of the 354 00:17:46.039 --> 00:17:48.400 world where you want your kid to get the most 355 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:50.519 of the pot of the pie, right like you want 356 00:17:50.559 --> 00:17:52.319 them to win all the competitions, or you want them 357 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:54.839 to be the most beautiful, be the most beautiful or whatever, 358 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:57.759 and like that kind of thinking is so offensive to me. 359 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:02.039 And it also again just like doesn't address like that, 360 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:04.680 like like you said, we're already do like that. That's 361 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:06.480 not the best part of us. I would say our 362 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:09.400 society where like where people are like no, no, and no, 363 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:11.799 put throwing their kids into a million things to make 364 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:14.160 them like the most, you know, like like just a 365 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:17.519 sort of capitalist dream child. I don't know like that 366 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:19.599 that to me, like I have like I'm not interested 367 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:21.319 in that. So and it's yeah, I. 368 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:24.119 Mean, look, I think for me, the central thing, if 369 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:26.799 there's only one objection I was going to raise two, 370 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:30.640 genetic enhancements for children is right in that ballpark, and 371 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:34.839 it fits with a kind of contemporary American sensibility where 372 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:38.039 it involves treating people as mere things. 373 00:18:38.359 --> 00:18:38.519 Right. 374 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:43.200 It involves treating procreation and child bearing and child rearing 375 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:45.720 is just another commodity like sort of an accessory to 376 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:47.640 a well lived life. And you want to get the 377 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:50.519 best possible one, and the way that changes how you 378 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:54.559 think about a child, right, I mean traditionally, and you 379 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:56.720 know it's no secret that I'm Catholic, obviously, but I 380 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:58.799 don't think you have to share any of my religious 381 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:02.039 convictions for this to resonate. Like, traditionally people have thought 382 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:04.920 of children as a gift to be received. You don't 383 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:06.799 get to pick and choose whether you have a boy 384 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:11.039 or a girl, what color hair, whether they're healthy or sick. Like, 385 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:13.559 the child is a gift, and you receive that gift 386 00:19:13.599 --> 00:19:15.799 and care for it and love it and do your 387 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:19.279 best to help that child become a healthy, flourishing adult. 388 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:23.480 And the whole idea of genetic engineering seems to invert 389 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:26.480 that whole picture, where the child is a product, where 390 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:29.559 you're a consumer and you're now like, you know, ordering 391 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:33.240 something to your preferred specifications that cannot be healthy. That 392 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:36.440 to me seems to decy something deeply human and important. 393 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:39.519 I

was just just to underscore that, like, and I 394 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:41.920 don't share your religious convictions, but I agree with you 395 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:48.440 on all that, And I think the like, like having 396 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:51.000 children is one of the best lessons we have right 397 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:54.599 to it, like about our lack of control over things 398 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:57.000 right as human beings, and like it's a fiction that 399 00:19:57.039 --> 00:19:59.480 we can control everything, and there's so much about our 400 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:01.880 lives that tell as we can. That's technological and the 401 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:04.799 other things too. And I think that sort of the 402 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:08.000 humility of being a parent, right is like seeing that 403 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:11.599 you have this this person who is wholly different from you, 404 00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:14.240 and yes, of course it matters what you do and 405 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:17.039 how you affect them, but like they are, you can't 406 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:19.880 control them, right, And that that fiction of sort of 407 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:22.559 like I can, I can exert my will in the world, 408 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:24.119 I think is a dangerous one. 409 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:28.319 So I feel like I'm going to I could potentially 410 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:30.599 get weirdly emotional about this, so I apologize in advance. 411 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:33.519 But I was just thinking about how when you said, 412 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:35.440 Matt that you you know, you don't get to choose 413 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:39.680 like your kid just you get what you get. And 414 00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:41.920 I think it's a great lesson you know that your 415 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:44.400 kid isn't exactly like you, and that's you know, and 416 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:49.440 it's ultimately hopefully a good thing for you to learn. 417 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:52.519 But you know, my one son, Max is Type one 418 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:54.880 diabetic and he was diagnosed in he is three, and 419 00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:59.079 I think about, like, if I could have prevented it, 420 00:20:59.119 --> 00:21:01.079 Like if there was a something I could have done 421 00:21:01.119 --> 00:21:04.000 to sign And this is a little bit to your 422 00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:07.519 your original point about well, there's a difference between therapeutic 423 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:12.200 and right. But I also think, like, you know, would 424 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:16.640 I change Max if I could, Like I would I 425 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:17.960 stop that from happening? 426 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:18.279 Now? 427 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:21.519 Like knowing now what I know about how he's a 428 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:25.000 tough kid and how he has he's an interesting kid 429 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:27.039 and I just love him so much. And I think 430 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:31.119 part of his diabetes doesn't define him, but it makes 431 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:33.519 him more interesting. It makes him a lot of things 432 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:38.160 that I think are unique that maybe wouldn't have happened 433 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:39.400 had he not had the type one. 434 00:21:39.440 --> 00:21:43.079 So but at the same time, I desperately want a cure, 435 00:21:43.279 --> 00:21:46.279 like I desperately want a cure. So you know, I 436 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:47.680 guess I wonder. 437 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:51.920 Even if I could turn about the clock and there 438 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:53.759 was a there was something I could do, would I 439 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:54.039 do it? 440 00:21:54.079 --> 00:21:55.160 I don't know that I would. 441 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:56.480 Yeah, it's a great question. 442 00:21:57.240 --> 00:21:59.119 And also like what would he do when he's an 443 00:21:59.119 --> 00:22:01.640 adult if you ask him that question. That's another interesting 444 00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:04.160 part of this, right, which is that you're like, one 445 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:06.759 question is what would you do? But because that's the question, 446 00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:09.079 you're asking, like would you genetic? But like all of 447 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:11.680 these questions of have to like, it's an interesting question 448 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:15.000 about like consent and the person that's like right, who 449 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:17.200 is it's affecting? They don't get to choose right, and 450 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:19.559 so that's that's a whole other angle here. And he 451 00:22:19.640 --> 00:22:21.640 might who knows what he'd say right in twenty years, 452 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:24.680 but it'd be you know, hmmm. So it's an interesting question. 453 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:27.440 I do wonder when was the last time on this 454 00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:30.039 podcast that we got a really substantive question where all 455 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:31.599 three of us just kind of agreed. 456 00:22:31.880 --> 00:22:36.039 Wow, I mean, yeah, here's the problem though. The problem 457 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:39.119 is it feels like the toothpaste is out of the 458 00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:43.799 tube in that we're heading down a path where, yeah, 459 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:47.319 this stuff is already possible in only going to get 460 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:51.480 more published only yeah, and whether it gets outlawed in 461 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:55.039 the United States, it might be legal in Singapore or 462 00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:58.440 somewhere else where you can go and say, you know what, 463 00:22:58.519 --> 00:23:01.400 I want this baby that is at these different traits. 464 00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:06.480 And so that's the that's the part that's scary. I 465 00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:08.279 think it feels like it's inevitable. 466 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:10.359 Hey, I think

that we may have reached a point 467 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:14.359 with this set of issues where certainly our kids, not 468 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:17.279 us obviously, but our kids generation are going to have 469 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:19.880 to decide whether to opt in or opt out, And 470 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:23.680 opting out might mean choosing a harder life for the 471 00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:27.200 sake of something you think is overall better, And it's 472 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:29.640 you know, that's an easy thing to say sitting in 473 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:31.720 my position where I don't have to make that choice 474 00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:33.720 harder thing to do, right. 475 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:40.960 I do think we sometimes underestimate agency though, like political agency. 476 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:43.680 I mean people, we regulate things that we didn't that 477 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:46.839 one hundred years became exactly so smoking is no longer 478 00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:49.480 you know, that's that's uncool. We regulated all social media 479 00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:51.359 use becomes uncol right, I mean, there are lots of things, 480 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:54.079 and I think like there are real like policies we 481 00:23:54.119 --> 00:23:55.960 could put in place, And I understand what you're saying, 482 00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:57.720 Like globally that may not be the case, but like 483 00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:00.240 you know, it matters what the US does, like those 484 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:03.680 things are. Yeah, So I just I think I don't 485 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:06.519 think we should undersell our like power as a people. 486 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:09.359 If we decided that we didn't like something, so power 487 00:24:09.400 --> 00:24:10.200 to the people. 488 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:15.160 Fair enough, well, we I notice have all finished our 489 00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:17.319 last words. An excellent cocktail did we. 490 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:20.319 Comment on it because it's delicious. 491 00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:22.200 They're all empty and we drank them fast. 492 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:24.799 It was great, which is a dangerous thing. By the 493 00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:28.640 way I learned is actually it's one hundred and ten proof. 494 00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:31.160 Oh could have used the heads up on the No. 495 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:35.160 There is half of lime juice and the Lexardo liqueur, 496 00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:38.039 but the other half is gin and chartreuse. So this 497 00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:40.759 is this is not a baby cocktail, though it has 498 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:42.160 a pleasant fruity. 499 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:45.000 Kind of well make it warm and fuzzy, though it's 500 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:45.400 going to be. 501 00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:48.839 How about if we take a quick break and we're 502 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:51.880 back with more three Q three D right after this, 503 00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:57.480 and we're back. Welcome to three Q three D. Everybody. 504 00:24:57.559 --> 00:25:01.039 We've got our next question coming up from the myth 505 00:25:01.079 --> 00:25:03.720 of the Man the Legends. The creator of three Q 506 00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:07.960 three D, the usual host, none other than mister Christopher Michael. 507 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:09.599 A christ Thank you, Matt. 508 00:25:09.640 --> 00:25:13.200 I have an interesting drink that I am sure has 509 00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:16.200 never appeared on this podcast because I just learned about it. 510 00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:18.720 When now this is gonna sound I'm gonna sound really 511 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:22.039 full of myself in a second here. But so a 512 00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:23.759 couple of weeks ago, maybe three weeks ago, I was 513 00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:26.519 in Hawaii in a Wahuu. My company has an office 514 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:28.960 in Honolulu. It reports up to me, so I have 515 00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:31.279 to go out there once or twice a year. And 516 00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:35.160 so I went out at the end of January. And 517 00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:37.240 again this is like the second part where I'm making 518 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:41.839 myself even sound more ridiculous. But we had a night 519 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:44.319 a couple of colleagues and I where we drove up 520 00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:46.160 to the North Shore. If you've ever been to Waho, 521 00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:47.920 the North Shore is you know, it's like the best 522 00:25:47.960 --> 00:25:49.160 surfing on planet Earth. 523 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:49.480 It's like. 524 00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:52.480 We're both shaking our head. 525 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:55.440 But there is a hotel up there that every time 526 00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:56.640 I go out there, I'm like, we got to go 527 00:25:57.240 --> 00:26:03.279 to the Ritz Turtle Bay because the Ritz Carlton Turtle 528 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:08.079 Bay Resort has the best view of any. 529 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:10.039 Bar in the world, like number one in the world. 530 00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:12.599 You sit at this bar and it has this in 531 00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:15.839 the backdrop, is this bay with this crashing surf in 532 00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:19.039 the sunset, and it is the most spectacular place to sit. 533 00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:19.799 And have a drink. 534 00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:22.000 We should, but I was lucky enough to be out 535 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:25.039 there a couple of weeks ago, and I started talking 536 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:28.440 to the bartender about the drinks that she likes, and 537 00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:30.640 she was very proud of the one drink on the 538 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:33.640 menu that she had made, and I said, tell me 539 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:35.799 about it, and she said, oh, I invented this when 540 00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:36.880 I went to Japan. 541 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.759 Okay, so

it's her. I cannot remember the woman's name. 542 00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:45.519 She was a lovely bartender, but she made this drink 543 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:47.480 and I liked it so much that I put I 544 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:49.319 asked her for the recipe and I put it in 545 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:51.480 the notes in my phone and. 546 00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:55.640 She calls it a Sakura sunrise. Sakura in Japanese means 547 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:56.960 cherry or cherry blossoms. 548 00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:00.119 And I've been watching a lot of Cobra Kai's, so 549 00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:01.279 my Japanese is pretty good. 550 00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:05.799 And uh again, this is the third way in just 551 00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:09.079 a minute that I'm going to sound incredibly self important 552 00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:13.359 or snobby or whatever you call it today. Yeah, thanks Amana. 553 00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:16.720 In two days, I am so excited. I'm going with 554 00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:19.720 a buddy of mine, actually two friends, but one who 555 00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:22.519 is running the Tokyo Marathon. So I'm going to Japan 556 00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:28.440 on Thursday Tuesday, and so I'm like into I'm reading 557 00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:31.720 everything about Tokyo, everything about Japan, and just a couple 558 00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:34.599 of weeks ago, this woman made this drink inspired by 559 00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:38.440 her time in Tokyo the Sakura Sunrise, which I loved. 560 00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:43.480 I thought it was unique. It uses in The One 561 00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:46.640 mistake I made is she used Roku gin, which is 562 00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:50.279 the Japanese gin Roku. I used a different gen here, 563 00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:52.680 so but forgive me. So this is one and a 564 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:57.000 half parts gin. It is a splash of Saint Germain. 565 00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:01.880 It's some simple, simple syrup, three quarter of grapefruit juice, 566 00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:05.279 some freshly squeezed lemon juice. And here's the kicker. And 567 00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:07.279 this is she made a point to tell me this 568 00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:10.079 at the bar. She and I had to order this 569 00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:14.559 on Amazon. But it's a special bitters called Scrappies Bitters. 570 00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:18.200 It is a lavender bitter and it takes each drink 571 00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:23.440 uses a few splashes of this lavender bitter that I 572 00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:26.359 got on Amazon. And I'm going to pour you this 573 00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:30.119 Sokura Sunrise, which is exciting. 574 00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:32.079 I don't know what to expect. 575 00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:33.920 I got this drink all day and I was like, 576 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:36.240 I couldn't even remember how much I liked it when 577 00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:36.839 I was out there. 578 00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:39.519 Other than I liked it, I couldn't remember what it 579 00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:40.440 tasted like. 580 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:42.799 And all day I've been like, I can't wait till 581 00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:45.359 we do that Sakura sunrise again. 582 00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:49.039 Well, okay, so which one do you want to? Man? 583 00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:54.680 I have? Okay, okay, all right, so here you go. 584 00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:56.440 How do you say hello? In Japanese? 585 00:28:56.440 --> 00:29:03.079 I should look that up, yes, and in Hawaiian. 586 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:03.400 It means. 587 00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:10.240 All right, well here you go, cheers, friends, cheers. Okay, alright, 588 00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:13.759 the sakuras sunrise. Oh you know, I was going to 589 00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:14.839 say something too about that. 590 00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:19.319 H It's delicious. 591 00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:22.559 It is delicious. It's interesting. What is the weirdness? It's 592 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:23.119 the lavender. 593 00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:26.880 The lavender and the grapefruit is very good fruit. Really, 594 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:28.240 you know, it looks. 595 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:32.000 A lot like the last word, but tastes like it 596 00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:34.319 in a coop. And it's it's a very similar color. 597 00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.039 I don't think we described it like. The last word 598 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:38.759 was a greenish. 599 00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:43.079 Yeah, sort of a greenish, and this is this. 600 00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:46.559 Was a little more of a pale yellow, but very 601 00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:50.200 similar but delicious and totally different. 602 00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:52.319 And the only citrus is grapefruit. 603 00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:56.680 It's grapefruit and lemon juice, lemons, grapefruit, half ounce of 604 00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:00.079 freshs squeeze lemon, a little bit of simple syrup. And 605 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:01.960 then I think the key, You're right, Amanda, is this 606 00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:02.920 lavender bitters? 607 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:04.359 Yeah, just makes it. 608 00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:06.599 That's tremendous. 609 00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:10.319 It's good, I said, notes. Remember the recipes are always 610 00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:12.599 in the notes. By the way, that Turtle Bay Resort 611 00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:16.519 the Ritz. I get so annoyed because have you ever 612 00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:18.119 seen that movie for Getting Sarah Marshall? 613 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:19.119 Never have? 614 00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:21.640 Many times, many times. 615 00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:23.880 Hate Amanda. I hate that movie. 616 00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:26.319 Why because you're afraid that you're gonna look like Jason 617 00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:27.240 Siegel's dad bod. 618 00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:30.920 Amanda, I'm wearing a turtleneck, which means I'm in shape 619 00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:31.680 right now.

620 00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:35.160 I'm not wearing a turtle confer what you will. 621 00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:37.079 So it's funny you say that because every time I 622 00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:38.680 go to the Turtle Bay I go on this rant 623 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:41.519 about how that movie is so ridiculous because the point 624 00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:44.119 of the movie is Jason Siegel, who's like this shlub. 625 00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:48.319 He is just his girlfriend dumped. 626 00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:51.240 In well frontal nudity Jason Siegel in the movie. 627 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:55.839 Is that why you like it? Amanda? Have you seen 628 00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:58.359 have you seen the movie? You're like dozens of times. 629 00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:00.119 I have it on my VCR and I rewind it 630 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:01.720 every night. Is that what happened? Yeah? 631 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:05.200 So, anyway, that movie drives me nuts because Jason Siegel 632 00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:07.640 plays this schlub who's. 633 00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:09.279 Like genetic engineering. 634 00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:13.039 Yeah, but he shows up at this fancy resort and 635 00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:16.559 me La Kunis, who's like a fifteen out of ten, 636 00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:17.759 this gorgeous woman. 637 00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.960 He's like, I just broke my girlfriend. Don't mean you. 638 00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:24.480 Just described like every movie nineties early on. 639 00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:26.119 To me, it doesn't make sense. 640 00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:30.160 I get so up mad because what would she see 641 00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.680 in him? He's like any other dude that shows up. 642 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.240 There's nothing he offers. He does not even though he's 643 00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:39.720 an opera So this sounds like, Okay, we're gonna very upsetting. 644 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:41.799 But I wonder questions if you have a question any 645 00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:44.880 more relevant the topic of man, you and I are 646 00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:48.720 gonna we'll talk later, or we're just weird forgetting Sarah Marsha. 647 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:49.559 It's a terrible movie. 648 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.160 It's a great cocktail. Let's not overlook how good this. 649 00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:54.359 Here's my question, Shakura Sunrises. 650 00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:56.039 So you talk about sort. 651 00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:58.640 Of like the way that you could begin life. Your 652 00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:01.400 question is about beginning life with an advantage? All right, 653 00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:05.000 I want to talk about extending life. So there's a 654 00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:08.400 guy that I follow on Twitter, regrettably. 655 00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:09.599 His name is Brian Johnson. 656 00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:11.720 He's a tech guy who's made a bunch of money 657 00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:15.960 and he's known for he's trying to do everything possible 658 00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:16.759 to extend. 659 00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:18.720 His life's. 660 00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:21.480 World. He takes like a hundred supplements a. 661 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:25.960 Day, he gets like nine hours of sleep in nineties. 662 00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:28.279 He does all this stuff that he's you know, he's 663 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:30.119 like real age. He's like a forty five year old 664 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:33.119 guy in his real age is like, you know, wel yeah. 665 00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:35.440 No, I think it's like at least six years. 666 00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:38.759 Or something significant. I think he I mean he The 667 00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:40.720 funny thing is his body looks like the body of 668 00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:42.319 like a twenty five year old in his face is. 669 00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:45.680 Like yeah maybe yeah. 670 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:50.759 But the point is we, like I said, or I 671 00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:52.319 feel like two paces out of the tube, at some 672 00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.480 point here we will be able to, I think, extend 673 00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:56.559 life significantly. 674 00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:03.359 Now could you? Would you you want to extend your 675 00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:05.839 life if you could by at least double, let's say, 676 00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:08.880 to two hundred and fifty years. If if we could 677 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:11.119 extend life to two hundred and fifty years, would you 678 00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:13.160 want to? And then the second part, which I think 679 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:17.440 is more interesting, is what are the second order and 680 00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:19.279 third order consequences of that? 681 00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:21.519 If people were suddenly living one hundred and fifty tw hundred, 682 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:22.400 two hundred fifty. 683 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:25.319 Years, what are what's going to? What would happen? 684 00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:30.119 And I have a I have one really interesting thought 685 00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:31.079 dying to tell you. 686 00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:33.480 Wow, I can't wait because I did some math earlier. 687 00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:34.279 Wow. 688 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.359 Well, so here's my question, like, what what is your 689 00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:42.240 in this vision? What is like your health and activity level? 690 00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.000 Like what is the quality of your life? 691 00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:48.799 Really let's assume that it's just like the same as 692 00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:51.200 a normal seventy five year old or eighty year old 693 00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:53.440 life span, but it just extends. So like if you're 694 00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:55.920 if you're everything else, if you're one hundred and fifty, 695 00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:58.480 it's like being forty five or whatever. 696 00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:01.400 Okay, so you're in the prime of life for

a century. 697 00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:04.319 Or more, right too, So let's assume that this so 698 00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.519 you can like be child bearing four. 699 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:09.039 That's interesting question. 700 00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:10.000 Yeah, one D and. 701 00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.199 So you were talking litters, Yeah, there. 702 00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:18.559 Could be Holy smokes, I didn't take that into consideration 703 00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:20.519 when I was doing the math that I'm excited to 704 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:21.039 share with. 705 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:24.800 You because that's interesting because yeah, yeah, that's the first 706 00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:27.239 as the father seven at age forty. 707 00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:30.519 Interesting you say that, because here's the math I did. 708 00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:32.320 Okay, we're just going to go straight into math. 709 00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:34.679 So I was singing about three D and I was 710 00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:38.679 sinking podcast. I was thinking, Okay, Matt Jordan has seven kids. 711 00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:41.639 If you're new to the podcast, Matt Jordan, the guy 712 00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:44.280 who's been captaining the ship on this episode so far, 713 00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:45.920 has seven kids, and you're roughly fifty. 714 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:48.639 Okay, So if it's not roughly, you're almost I'm the 715 00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:50.000 youngest person on this podcast. 716 00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:53.519 You're rounding up to fifty. If we assume every generation 717 00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:56.400 is about twenty five If we if we assume every 718 00:34:56.519 --> 00:35:00.519 generation is about twenty five years, okay, So here's the if. 719 00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:05.039 So you've got seven kids, if each of your children 720 00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:08.039 had seven kids when you're seventy five, you'll have forty 721 00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:10.519 nine grandchildren when you're one hundred. 722 00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:13.159 Just just listen, Okay, I think your math is wrong. 723 00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.960 That seven times seven, your seven kids each have twenty. 724 00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:18.760 Five years is the wrong number. Because I was nearly 725 00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:20.199 forty when my seventh kid was born. 726 00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:23.280 Each generation is about twenty five years. Just go with 727 00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:25.440 me on this, Okay, I'm going with you on this, 728 00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:30.039 really going that My point is eventually, have forty nine grandchildren. Agreed, Eventually, 729 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:32.440 if all forty nine have seven kids, then you have 730 00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:35.960 three hundred and forty three great grandchildren. Then by the 731 00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.039 time you're one hundred and twenty five, you have two thy, 732 00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:39.039 four hundred. 733 00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:41.199 And one great great grandchildren. 734 00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:44.079 By the time you're two hundred and fifty, Matt, and 735 00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:48.719 you keep extrapolating, you have forty million, three hundred and 736 00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:53.000 fifty three thousand, six hundred and seven forty more than 737 00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.639 forty million offspring directly from you. If you can live 738 00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:56.360 to two fifty. 739 00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:59.400 Wow, that's pretty good. I do think your math has problems, 740 00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:01.800 but I think the basic notion that I would have 741 00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:03.800 a ton of descendants is undenied. 742 00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:05.280 I also did three kids. 743 00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:08.119 So if you just have tapping the papers, so you 744 00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:10.840 just if you just if your kids all each had 745 00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:13.760 three and not seven like crazy you and me, but 746 00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.440 in twenty five years instead of in forty years like this, 747 00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:17.039 this matters. 748 00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:19.639 So each generation is about twenty. 749 00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:24.320 Five forty forty you forty for some saying. 750 00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:28.400 But you're additionally forty years. This is Andrew. Andrew is 751 00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:32.559 forty and he was born twenty thirty years, approximately seven kids. 752 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:34.760 In twenty five years he will only be thirty three. 753 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.880 Why are you ruining my math? 754 00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:41.119 I don't like one million, forty million doesn't matter what 755 00:36:41.199 --> 00:36:41.639 I'm to say. 756 00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:44.280 If they had three by the time and fifty they 757 00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:46.199 have forty twenty. 758 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:48.760 Seventy is well taken. It's a lot of people, a lot. 759 00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:51.239 If people pro create at the same rate, it's absolutely 760 00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:51.559 a lot. 761 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:53.719 And it does I would. I mean, one thing to 762 00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:55.880 say about that is that it it. It kind of 763 00:36:56.960 --> 00:37:00.599 busts out the notion of family, like you're not like 764 00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:02.159 you're not intimately involved. 765 00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:05.280 Cannot be forty million, or even one million, or even 766 00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:06.480 one hundred thousand. 767 00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:10.320 Even as I mean like one hundreds pushing it. 768 00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:12.519 I mean maybe like I think I heard that you 769 00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:16.519 can have meaningful relationships with about one hundred and fifty people. 770 00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:18.360 That's somewhere around the campeity. 771 00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:19.960 So I think I think you and I are cut 772

00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.800 out in this deal. We're relationship? 773 00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:23.800 Are we in the hundred? 774 00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:26.239 So grandschother Amanda and I A on the other fifty 775 00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:27.559 really are what you guys. 776 00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:33.039 Are top seventy five. I'm sorry, you know grandkids numbers 777 00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:37.360 one hundred and three and beyond, but you know, you 778 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:39.440 gotta you know, betray. 779 00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:42.400 Sorry, I apologize for my math hijacking that conversation there, 780 00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:43.199 but I was excited. 781 00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:44.760 I did that math earlier, and I was like, oh 782 00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:47.440 my gosh, oh my forty million grand. 783 00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:50.320 Fortunately your job and insurance has nothing to do with math, 784 00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:51.079 So that's true. 785 00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:54.480 No, that worries that math is sound. 786 00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:57.239 It's very good, sound like fuzzy maths. 787 00:37:57.679 --> 00:37:59.559 I was gonna say, I believe some of your numbers 788 00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:01.679 may be and I I'll walk. 789 00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:03.840 You through it later speaking of old people references. So 790 00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:06.760 I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to live 791 00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:09.039 to be two hundred and fifty, but I wouldn't choose 792 00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:11.199 it myself. And it's for some of these very reasons. 793 00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:13.039 I mean, because the first thing I think about, as 794 00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:15.719 soon as you raised this question of would you want 795 00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:17.320 to live that long? I started thinking about what that 796 00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:20.559 would mean for me as a father and as a husband. 797 00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:22.920 Being married for two hundred years. 798 00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:25.119 I mean, I would love like to because my wife 799 00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:26.239 is amazing and awesome. 800 00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:29.159 I just seek about I've been married for twenty two 801 00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:32.079 my wife at some point here she's going to kill me, 802 00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:34.039 like one hundred years in she seems like, I can't. 803 00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:36.760 You can't live to two hundred and fifty if you 804 00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:37.639 are well? 805 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.159 Is no? The marriage question is interesting, Like one thing 806 00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:43.480 That's a number I love to bring up, is that 807 00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:49.039 the average marriage length of a Puritan was twelve years. 808 00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:53.159 Well really because they died. Oh my, maybe that's the 809 00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:53.840 way to do it. 810 00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:57.440 So like when we say, like committing to

a full 811 00:38:57.440 --> 00:38:59.800 life of marriage, like that means very different things when 812 00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:02.760 it's twelve versus fifty or two hundred, and then add 813 00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:04.760 on what we're talking about here. So I'm just. 814 00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:06.880 Saying, I don't know. I suppose, No, I'm not. 815 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.480 I'm not opposed to it, Like I guess, Like one 816 00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:11.519 of the things that I don't like about that is 817 00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:15.840 that it's sort of it does like it does disrupt 818 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:19.599 our notions of relationships, but whether that's marriage, children, like 819 00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:22.159 how how long you know, Like how long can you 820 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:22.599 put up. 821 00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:24.280 When you gonna work for one hundred and fifty years 822 00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:24.960 the same company? 823 00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:27.599 If you work for so long? I mean, I guess, 824 00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:30.119 like I would just say, we have the whole all 825 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:33.679 of human history, We've we learn how to understand our lives, 826 00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:36.280 decide what a meaningful life is, decide what meaningful love 827 00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:39.719 is in relationships and things like that. That all, like 828 00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:43.480 we have myths and stories and like I'm thinking of 829 00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:46.199 you know, literature, and stuff like that, Like all that's 830 00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:51.039 based on like an extended but not like exponentially extended, right, 831 00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:53.440 Like some of them are like, you know, maybe people 832 00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:55.639 live to fifty three hundred years ago or something now 833 00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:57.239 they whatever. I don't know the numbers, but it's not 834 00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:59.440 it's like it's a difference of degree. And I feel 835 00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:02.760 like that added century sort of. I don't know. I'm 836 00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:05.079 just saying. I'm not saying that that's I just think 837 00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:07.039 we'd need we'd need some time to catch up. I 838 00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.480 would hope it would happen slowly so that we can 839 00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:12.199 like change, I mean even just like when do you 840 00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:14.639 catch in for Social Security? Right, it's funny say a 841 00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:15.320 policy number. 842 00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:17.000 You know it's funny is you guys are gonna make 843 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:17.840 fun of me because of the math. 844 00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:20.440 But honestly, my very first when I when I wrote 845 00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:23.880 this question down, my very first thought was you create 846 00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:29.199 a huge problem when eventually all the old people have 847 00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:32.920 all the money. So Warren Buffett is the most successful 848 00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:35.800 investor of all time in that he's worth one hundred 849 00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.599 and fifty billion dollars or whatever at the state stage 850 00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:41.079 of the game. But he's the reason he's worth one 851 00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:44.239 hundred and fifty billion isn't because of his investing prowess. 852 00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:46.639 He's very good, but he's not nearly the best investor 853 00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:48.920 of all time. In terms of like picking stocks, he's 854 00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:52.079 better than average. But the thing that he's the best 855 00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:55.559 at is he's the most patient. He started investing when 856 00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:59.039 he was about ten or twelve, and he is so 857 00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:02.480 he's ninety four, he's he's been investing for over eighty years. 858 00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:07.599 If you have discipline and patience and your education slightly 859 00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:10.159 better than average, well in his in his case, he 860 00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:14.679 was very bright and very industrious and just liked he read. 861 00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:16.960 He just reads, and he invests and he just sits 862 00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:20.199 there and he does nothing else but likes to pick stocks. 863 00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:21.840 And he's better at it than average. So if he's 864 00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:24.440 better than average and he's willing to wait, by the 865 00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:26.679 time he's ninety four, he's worth one hundred and fifty. 866 00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:30.920 Billion ninety nine percent. Ninety nine percent of Warren Buffett's 867 00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.760 wealth was made after he turned sixty five, so he 868 00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:35.480 was a billionaire. 869 00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:38.320 But that's what the point is. My point is money. 870 00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:40.880 When you have a billion at sixty five and then 871 00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:45.559 you wait another thirty years, compounding at seventeen or eighteen 872 00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:47.239 or twenty percent a year. It's got to be worth. 873 00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:50.599 So my point is if you have people living at 874 00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:54.000 two hundred, then eventually all the money h ends up 875 00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:57.039 in these really old people's hands and that creates a 876 00:41:57.039 --> 00:41:57.679 lot of problems. 877 00:41:57.719 --> 00:41:59.920 Well, that assumes we're in the same system we're in. 878 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.840 I mean, I think some of these questions, like, you know, 879 00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:05.559 are we going to be in a capitalist society with 880 00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:07.480 a stock market? I don't know if we are a 881 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:11.400 great one. It does raise questions because I did think, like,

882 00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:13.639 what are the wealth responsibilities as you get all sort 883 00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:16.159 of just like some does your kid? Do you do 884 00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:18.719 your seven kids? And there each seven their forty nine 885 00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:23.400 kids live in your basement and not work for fifty years, right, 886 00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:25.480 Like it's kind of like so. 887 00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:28.119 Lazy forty nine grand kids. 888 00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:33.519 Yeah, my sixty three year old Braddy's grandson who's been 889 00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:36.039 doing not but right is BMX bike around the neighborhood 890 00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:37.480 and six video games? 891 00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.159 Yeah yeah, wow. 892 00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:43.480 Wow, you know it's super I think it would. It's 893 00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:47.880 an interesting question partly because, as you said, Chris, it 894 00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:51.199 does seem like the possibility is a very real one, 895 00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:56.679 and if it's actualized, it's going to happen fast. And 896 00:42:56.679 --> 00:42:58.880 it's the sort of thing that like if, and this 897 00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:00.360 is more than the vein of what I think, Amanda, 898 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:03.320 you were kind of getting at. If if we could 899 00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:06.039 do it gradually, right, Like if over the course of 900 00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:09.719 a millennium, the average lifespan increased by five years of generation, 901 00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:13.599 we could sort of accommodate our lifestyle to these sorts 902 00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:17.360 of changes. But if you go one generation where most 903 00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:21.039 people die by eighty and the next generation everybody's living 904 00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:24.960 to two or three hundred, that's a radical change. It's 905 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:28.039 hard to fathom how you can possibly make that transition. 906 00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:30.440 Yeah, I don't know. Well, I don't think we can. 907 00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:34.360 I'm more confused than I was, you know, fifteen minutes ago. 908 00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.480 Think this point is you said you don't want to 909 00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:38.679 live to two fifty. I don't either. 910 00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:42.239 Yeah, I would say no to that, I again, without 911 00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.519 like criticizing those who would say yes, I don't think 912 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:48.079 that that's something I wouldn't want. 913 00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:52.320 All right, So for the sake of time. Number one, 914 00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:55.519 the drink was amazing. I loved man. 915 00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:57.480 I feel bad that I don't remember the woman's name 916 00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:00.960 at the Oritz Girls Turtle Bay, but man. 917 00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:03.400 She made an incredible drink the Sakura. 918 00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:05.079 Sunrise, and I'm gonna put the recipe in the show 919 00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:07.719 notes to make it. People, you gotta get those Laveno bitters. 920 00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.440 So and don't miss those last few episodes of Cobra 921 00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:12.360 Kai it's streaming on Netflix right now. 922 00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:19.679 And then number two maybe TBD on the life extension stuff, 923 00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:21.360 except that none of us want to try it. So 924 00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:25.280 all right, since it was my drink, I will say. 925 00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.639 We're wrapping up. We're rounding third and heading home. 926 00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:33.280 Amanda Adams is on deck and she's going to pour 927 00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:33.920 a great drink. 928 00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:36.039 Yes, put me in coach. I'm ready to play. 929 00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:39.239 Let's go more three Q three D three D right 930 00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:45.400 after this. Yeah, okay, look Amanda, she's had too much 931 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:45.880 to drink. 932 00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:47.639 Everyone three Q three D. I need to give you 933 00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:50.960 some insider information. She just poured some of her whatever 934 00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:52.239 the drink is. I don't know what it is, but 935 00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:53.559 she just poured it all over the table. 936 00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:55.360 It was kind of a hot mess. Amanda. Do you 937 00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:56.280 want to tell us what you brought? 938 00:44:58.320 --> 00:44:59.880 None of this is true. 939 00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:02.440 Look at her got the crazy act. 940 00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:05.760 I don't know what happened to Chris during that commercial 941 00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:10.960 break for whatever, excellent product. We're now hawking, but Amanda 942 00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:12.360 is completely herself. 943 00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:13.920 I am. 944 00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:16.800 A little bit of sugar on it. 945 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:19.360 Whatever. What drink did you bring? 946 00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:25.039 I brought a lemon drop, which we have had, and 947 00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:26.960 I think I brought it once before and I wanted 948 00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:27.480 to try it again. 949 00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:29.400 Is that a martini kind of? 950 00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:32.920 It's so so it has some lemon vodka or you 951 00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:37.519 can say citron vodka. Yes, I feel like I'm saying 952 00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:46.599 that's there. I want to say that Chris is wearing 953 00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:49.320 a turtleneck and just said something in French, and I 954 00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:52.880 don't know. All my like perceived ideals about Chris are 955 00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:59.199 like blowing up. It's getting hot, stop saying it. He's 956 00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:00.000 doing this weird. 957 00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:03.800 Head till thing like a cigarette. 958

00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:05.679 And like a modern dance routine. 959 00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:08.599 What if I just lit up a cigarette in my house? 960 00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:11.199 My god, it just did jazz hands. No, there was 961 00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:16.719 I was. I okay. So lemon drop is vodka and 962 00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:20.239 a little bit of Quantro can be Graandmonier as well, 963 00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:23.719 but I did Quantro. It has lemon juice, fresh lemon 964 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:27.320 juice and orange juice. I forget anything. I think that's it. 965 00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:30.840 The sugar write the sugar rim and I think that's key, right, 966 00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:34.199 because it's very tart, and so you need the sugar 967 00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:35.360 to counterbalance that. 968 00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:37.239 Really beautiful, it's beautiful. 969 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:39.320 It looks a lot like our other drinks, right, I 970 00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:44.920 mean all three the color lemon, they're all yell friends. 971 00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:48.800 Yeah, let's see lemon dropt. 972 00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:55.159 Mm hmm. I mean very good. And yeah, the sugar 973 00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:58.039 is necessary for sure. You couldn't do it with the sugar. 974 00:46:58.119 --> 00:46:58.760 I agree. 975 00:46:58.960 --> 00:46:59.639 It's like a dessert. 976 00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:02.719 I mean, yeah, it's like lemon I mean it's lemonade. 977 00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:06.280 It's it's very easy to drink lemonheads. Oh god, I 978 00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:07.920 love lemonhead so much too. 979 00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:09.639 I think I might have said that when you brought 980 00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:13.199 it before. It's like drinking lemonheads, which I think are 981 00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:15.360 fantastic candy. So I think they're fantastic too. 982 00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:17.719 I like to think of this as a like a 983 00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:21.760 more sophisticated drink than that. But yeah, I used to 984 00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:23.519 have a friend who would order these, and she would 985 00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:26.360 always order the lemon drop and then say more lemon 986 00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:29.639 than sweet. And I think that's like, you know me, 987 00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:31.239 like she didn't want it too sweet, and I think 988 00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:33.480 that's like a danger if you have too much sugar, 989 00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:35.800 it can like be too sweet, and I'm not. I 990 00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:37.920 think we've established I don't like sweet drinks that much, 991 00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:40.679 but the sugar rim is a nice like balance. Yeah, 992 00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:42.599 I agree, I agree, Chris. 993 00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:44.079 How's these sweet versus tart? 994 00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:48.519 You know, Amanda, do you have a question? Do you 995 00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:49.360 have a question? Aman? 996 00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:52.920 No, but I have a dictionary of terms to discuss 997 00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:59.880 tastes to give you. Okay, Well, we've talked about kind 998 00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:05.000 of genetic tech, biotech whatever stuff at the beginning of life. 999 00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:07.679 With genetic engineering, we've talked about it at the end 1000 00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:09.800 of life, like could you do you? Would you do? 1001 00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:11.840 You want to extend your life? How far would that be? 1002 00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:14.119 Et cetera. And I want to just talk about like 1003 00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:18.800 within the span of the human life, enhancements. We talked 1004 00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:21.079 about the difference between therapies and enhancements. I think that's 1005 00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:25.039 an interesting distinction. But I'm thinking especially about like these 1006 00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:32.360 wireless brain computer interfaces Bciyes, right, yeah, b would you 1007 00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:36.280 have b cyes like neuralink? Kind of neuralink is an 1008 00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:37.960 example of that, like ela musk is. 1009 00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:40.840 Where you can implant something in your brain to make 1010 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:43.679 you cognitively. 1011 00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:47.280 Like like the Nolan Armah guy. I mentioned the intro right, Yeah, 1012 00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:50.119 chess on a computer using only his. 1013 00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:53.800 Thoughts, which is astonishing, right and so crazy. 1014 00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:56.280 Exactly, And so this has run the right. Now it's 1015 00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:58.360 at the stage where some of these come like these 1016 00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:01.800 uh I guess experiments and some ways are targeting people 1017 00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:07.119 who have say, like degenerative neu neuro neuron diseases right 1018 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:12.199 like als or like Parkinson's or something like that. But 1019 00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:17.239 there's definitely a push and a sort of dream fever 1020 00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:22.360 dream of people who call themselves transhumanists, who imagine like 1021 00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:25.800 humans implanting some kind of microchip into their brain that 1022 00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:29.440 would allow them to be kind of to compete with AI. 1023 00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:33.119 That's how they put it, or to you know, do 1024 00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:36.119 various things like for example, I think Musk has said 1025 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:39.840 he sort of imagines people being able to like like 1026 00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:43.280 type essentially like put down on paper and a scent 1027 00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:46.559 not paper, but whatever their thoughts at the rate of 1028 00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:48.199 you know, like as soon as you think them have 1029 00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:51.119 it like appear somewhere right or something like that. So 1030

00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:53.920 I wanted to talk about what you think, what you 1031 00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:56.280 think about those things which I mean less I think 1032 00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:59.559 the therapeutic things that seems I don't it sounds like 1033 00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:03.079 from our a discussion like allowing a person with Parkinson's 1034 00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:05.480 to be able to continue to communicate or to move 1035 00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:09.079 things right that maybe therapeutics we like that idea. 1036 00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:13.599 To achieve what we'd consider like sort of normal right functioning. 1037 00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:18.039 Yeah, but also then but on this other side of 1038 00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:22.440 like enhancements, right like like what do you think would 1039 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:24.199 you be willing to do those sorts of things to 1040 00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:27.000 have something implanted in you, whether it's a microchip or 1041 00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:31.519 like another like bionic limb that you don't need but 1042 00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:33.840 that you know what I mean need in our common sense? 1043 00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:35.800 Are those things that interest you? Or do you think 1044 00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:38.639 there are limits to that? Or what are the ethics there? 1045 00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:42.079 Again, I think that one hundred years from now, it 1046 00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:46.760 could be very possible that people who are born blind, 1047 00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:51.639 are they eventually become they eventually have an advantage where 1048 00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:56.760 they get something implanted or something that allows them to 1049 00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:00.920 see one hundred times, like a hawk like they could 1050 00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:03.000 zoom in and zoom out, or night vision or whatever, 1051 00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:06.480 or hearing like like the co Clear implant is the 1052 00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:10.639 beginning where it makes hearing possible for somebody who's in 1053 00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:14.559 effect born death. But if you strapolate that forward, could 1054 00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:16.679 somebody have supersonic hearing like that one. 1055 00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:19.519 Character and encanto I never saw so good. 1056 00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:21.920 Okay, sorry, So the reference. 1057 00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:24.360 She has superhuman stress hearing. 1058 00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:28.199 Where we're headed is that this stuff will allow somebody 1059 00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:34.559 who is born with some sort of defect is the 1060 00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:38.480 wrong word maybe, but to have them become like superhuman 1061 00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:38.960 in some. 1062 00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:43.000 Way, and does that start a race with others? Like 1063 00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:46.880 the example I saw was like where they're creating, like 1064 00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:51.159 somebody loses from

the knee down their their leg and 1065 00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:53.840 so they do like a bionic foot that then they 1066 00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:56.679 can run in a race that is actually faster, right 1067 00:51:56.719 --> 00:51:59.559 if they have both of those, like eventually write technology wise, 1068 00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:02.599 what if a runner said, Okay, I'm going to amputate 1069 00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:05.440 my legs beneath the knee and get these bionic things 1070 00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:09.360 to like win that race. Well, yeah, that's a real thing. 1071 00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:16.199 I mean, I think, man, I mean a lot of it. 1072 00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:19.880 And part of why it's difficult is because it's so challenging, 1073 00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:24.880 maybe even impossible to define like clear sharp boundaries between 1074 00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:28.360 what's good and what isn't. We mentioned earlier the difference 1075 00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:31.679 between therapy and enhancement and how fuzzy that that boundary is. 1076 00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:36.039 But at the heart of it. I think part of 1077 00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:40.000 why I find this stuff so worrisome is a sense 1078 00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:43.159 that part of what's good for us as human beings 1079 00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:50.119 is to not only recognize, but to own and even 1080 00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:54.280 celebrate the fact that we're limited, that there are we're finite, 1081 00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:57.800 There are limitations on us as human beings, and those 1082 00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:01.920 very limitations are part of what makes excellence possible. Part 1083 00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:05.000 of what make you know, inspiring stories inspiring is like 1084 00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.679 it's difficult and it's challenging, and their struggle and their 1085 00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:10.639 barriers and their boundaries, and the idea of just sort 1086 00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:16.199 of eliminating any of those natural boundaries for the sake 1087 00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:19.880 of being able to will whatever one wills right to 1088 00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:23.800 become gods of some kinds Like that seems to me 1089 00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:27.239 to be abandoning what it means to be human. And 1090 00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:31.920 it doesn't seem attractive or good or in any way inspiring. 1091 00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:35.239 It seems just utterly pernicious. Though it's hard to articulate, 1092 00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:40.400 like a clear, you know, definitive like well, here's a 1093 00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:42.360 line not to cross or whatever. But the whole thing 1094 00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:44.760 comes from a I don't know, like a tower of 1095 00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:50.559 babble kind of like we're going to do everything and 1096 00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:55.159 anything that's that we can in order to exercise our will, 1097 00:53:56.320 --> 00:54:00.360 regardless of standards of goodness or virtue or nobility or 1098 00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:02.639 whatever like. That's that's not a world I want to 1099 00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:04.480 live in. That's not a game I want to play. 1100 00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:06.119 Do you want to play it? 1101 00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:08.840 If if it allows somebody with als, though, to live 1102 00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:10.440 a rich or fuller life. 1103 00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:13.320 That's a great question. I mean, I do think again 1104 00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:15.960 back to this treatment versus enhancement thing. If we can 1105 00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:19.599 use these things to help people live normal human lives, 1106 00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:23.840 I'm all for it. But it's when it becomes transcending 1107 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:26.320 the very idea of being human. I mean, Amanda alluded 1108 00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:29.000 to the idea of transhumanism, right, and that I mean 1109 00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:32.599 that's where that word comes from, transcending humanity. I've heard 1110 00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:35.960 some people say we're worth the first place in biological 1111 00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:40.880 evolution where the objects of evolution, human organisms can shape 1112 00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:43.400 the next stage of evolution, right, where we can become 1113 00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:47.199 something other than something more than human. And I don't 1114 00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:49.239 want to be more than human. I want to be 1115 00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:52.639 fully human. I want to be an excellent human, But 1116 00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:54.000 I don't want to be transhuman. 1117 00:54:54.639 --> 00:55:01.599 H Yeah, I well, I just would underscore that again 1118 00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:06.159 to say that I like, I don't know that this 1119 00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:08.559 idea of like of like pushing against limits, and I 1120 00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:12.280 think the limited nature of human life makes everything sweeter. 1121 00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:15.239 And again I say that as a person who doesn't 1122 00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:19.400 have massive disabilities or like, so I am aware again 1123 00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:25.320 of like a kind of like a therapeutic version of 1124 00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:28.239 this that I think is good. But I think, like, 1125 00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:30.239 you know, I think of Mary Oliver's poem Summer Day, 1126 00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:31.599 where she says, what will you do with your one, 1127 00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:33.880 wild and precious life? And I think the reason the 1128 00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:36.320 life is precious is because it's one, right, Like you 1129 00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:39.599 have these limits, you are mortal, you have limits in 1130 00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:43.519 other ways, and like how do we like What's what's 1131 00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:46.079 so sort of valuable about that is that we know 1132 00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:48.519 it will end and we know, like and some of

1133 00:55:48.559 --> 00:55:51.480 these transhumanists like envision a kind of living forever like 1134 00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:54.440 half as a machine, right, like replacing body parts slowly 1135 00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:58.880 with machinery, so you avoid aging, right or you avoid 1136 00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:02.400 that the sort of like sense of mortality. And that 1137 00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:03.800 doesn't interest me at all. 1138 00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:06.239 I mean, I don't ask you a really weird question, okay, 1139 00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:09.639 if you could choose, and I think I agree with you. 1140 00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:12.960 I mean, obviously it's it seems like like a no brainer, 1141 00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:17.400 like I that that you're right, except if you could 1142 00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:20.199 choose and and and I'm not trying to be provocative. 1143 00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:22.199 I'm just trying to think this through, Like if you 1144 00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:26.480 could choose and go back and say, give me a 1145 00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:30.519 life that I know, I am gonna be somebody who 1146 00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:35.840 is got who's beautiful by you know, typical beauty standards. 1147 00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:38.960 I have like a you know, I'm tall, I have 1148 00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:44.360 great skin, hair rock and bad eyes, whatever. 1149 00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:47.960 Okay, I'm going to live to be two hundred and 1150 00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:51.480 I'm going to have like a super high intellect and 1151 00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:54.480 and and also be able to like have all these 1152 00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:59.559 enhanced cognition and all that. Would you rather have that 1153 00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:02.400 you can choose that or say it's the roll of 1154 00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:06.000 the dice where it's just whatever humanity had for eons 1155 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:10.440 and eons where it could be just really not great. 1156 00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:11.400 Which would you. 1157 00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:17.320 Choose, And you're choosing like a kind of technology technologically 1158 00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:18.920 enhanced in the form in the. 1159 00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:22.719 First I'm combining altered questions because because I think all 1160 00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:27.920 three of us agree on that, like it seems when 1161 00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:32.280 you talk it through, it's not great until you're faced 1162 00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:34.840 with the question, right, no, right, I guess. 1163 00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:37.079 I guess I come back to what I said earlier, 1164 00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:43.000 which is like these these the the ways we're measuring 1165 00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:48.000 what's great. None of them I think are good, like 1166 00:57:48.039 --> 00:57:50.440 in the sense of like if I could be like 1167 00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:53.039 the most beautiful person? Is that is that what I 1168 00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:53.280 want to do? 1169 00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:57.119 What does look like exactly what actually makes my life 1170 00:57:57.119 --> 00:57:58.320 a good life exactly? 1171 00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:01.480 And like like do I like if I'm the best athlete? 1172 00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:05.039 Like I don't in the big picture, I don't care right, 1173 00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.199 Like I want to be a good person, like I 1174 00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:10.599 want to like feel things I want to like go 1175 00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:13.360 through this like wonderful, wild and precious human life. And 1176 00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:15.679 I guess like I just all those things of like 1177 00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:17.559 could I be the smart but like we talk about 1178 00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:20.199 smartest and things like that. Again, I don't think we 1179 00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:22.960 have a problem with being smart or having a lot 1180 00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:24.800 of information. We have problem with wisdom. We have a 1181 00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:26.920 problem with like those sorts of questions. And I don't 1182 00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:29.519 see I don't see any of this solving that for me, 1183 00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:31.480 Like I hesitance. 1184 00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:34.239 I have or maybe the only the only reason I 1185 00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:36.280 could argue for it. Okay, if I'm just trying to 1186 00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:38.920 like be provocative and argue for it is the elimination 1187 00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:41.519 of the bad, like elimination. 1188 00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:43.280 Of who decides what's bad and what are you talking about? 1189 00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:43.800 Like what bad? 1190 00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:47.239 If we're beyond sort of like abnormal, like things that 1191 00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:48.679 are unusual in human life. 1192 00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:52.119 Didn't we talk recently? Didn't the book Brave in Your 1193 00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:54.079 World by Alis Uxley come up in or some conversations 1194 00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:57.039 you never wanted worth reading? I mean one of the 1195 00:58:57.079 --> 00:59:01.039 things spoiler alert that that's striking about it is at 1196 00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:02.599 the end of the book when one of the characters 1197 00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:09.400 chooses a life of difficulty and suffering because there's something human, 1198 00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:12.400 there's something valuable in that that that isn't available in 1199 00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:15.239 a world where nobody is you know, ever has any 1200 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:19.360 risk of being hurts, where where every you know, every need, 1201 00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:22.719 every bodily urge is immediately taken care of. But there's 1202 00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:28.480 no real intimacy, there's no real depth, there's no real humanity. 1203 00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:31.920 And I think, I don't know. I mean, you sound 1204 00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:34.000 like that, You sound you

sound like that character and 1205 00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:35.599 Rave your World when you are. 1206 00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:38.920 Yeah, you're talking like that, Well, yeah, I think I 1207 00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:41.679 am there. And I also think, like you know, I 1208 00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:44.599 I've also read enough nineteenth century literature to know that, like, 1209 00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:47.960 you know, we're going to act like gods and manage 1210 00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:50.360 all these human lives. What could go wrong? 1211 00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:50.679 Right? 1212 00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:53.920 Like read Frankenstein read you know a bunch of different things. 1213 00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:56.519 Yeah, no, I mean, honestly, my first thought is if 1214 00:59:56.519 --> 00:59:58.960 you could implant a chip or like they are already 1215 00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:02.599 in some of these people at some point, right, isn't 1216 01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:04.360 somebody going to be able to hack it? 1217 01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:04.840 Well? 1218 01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:07.840 That was another major thing for me, is like a 1219 01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:12.880 real worry. No, like absolutely, like we already are being 1220 01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:16.920 tracked and like surveillance capitalism, right where like our desires 1221 01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:19.079 and our like all that it worked into an algorithm 1222 01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:22.519 and like imagine someone, I mean, who is this for free? 1223 01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:24.880 Who owns this wireless technology that's in your brain? 1224 01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:25.519 Right? Like? 1225 01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:27.840 Who has access to it? You think you think we're 1226 01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:30.519 going to do better than we are now would be And. 1227 01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:32.159 It seems to me that even in a best case 1228 01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:33.880 scenario where you don't have to worry about that stuff, 1229 01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:36.480 and I realized that's totally unrealistic, realistic, But for the 1230 01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:41.920 sake of the thought experiment, there's just something so unhuman 1231 01:00:41.960 --> 01:00:44.880 about it that I, like, I don't I don't want it. 1232 01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:47.280 And even if it means that my life gets harder, 1233 01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:49.719 or frankly, even if it means my kids' lives get harder, 1234 01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:53.760 I would rather live as a human being and live well. 1235 01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:55.920 It feels like living honestly in their way. 1236 01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:59.400 Yeah, yeah, so I feel like we at some point 1237 01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:02.000 you should wrap But yeah, if your kid's life was harder, 1238 01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:04.519 really so, like I guess to me, the genit like 1239 01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:07.679 the gist of the question is if you could implant 1240 01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:10.119 something in your kid's

brain to help them with the 1241 01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:11.800 problem they have, you wouldn't do it. 1242 01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:14.280 Well, depends on the problem. Again, if it's if it's 1243 01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:18.599 clearly therapeutic, I'm a lot more comfortable, I think the problem. 1244 01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:21.119 If it's clearly enhancement, I have objections. If it's in 1245 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:22.920 that gray area, then it's harder for me. The gray 1246 01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:23.280 area is. 1247 01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:25.039 An issue, is the one, because it's like, if they 1248 01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:26.599 have depression, do you fix it? 1249 01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:30.039 But look like I've just recently been a part of 1250 01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:33.639 a reading group at the Same Area Catholic Church in Hudson, 1251 01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:35.559 and we've been talking about C. S. Lewis's book The 1252 01:01:35.559 --> 01:01:37.280 Problem of Pain, and one of the one of the 1253 01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:40.119 points that Lewis makes, so if you're not familiar with 1254 01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:43.960 the idea, right, it's the classic argument for atheism. I mean, 1255 01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:46.119 you look around the world and there's all this pain 1256 01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:50.280 and suffering, and Christians theists say that there's a good 1257 01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:52.440 and loving God behind it all. And the question is, 1258 01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:55.840 how can there possibly be a good and loving God? 1259 01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:59.440 And that's a huge topic, a huge question that we 1260 01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:02.639 are not to try to answer in this church in 1261 01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:06.880 sixty seconds. No, But what I can do is points 1262 01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:10.440 to something that's relevant to this conversation where Lewis says, look, 1263 01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:14.199 there is some value in our finitude, in our suffering. 1264 01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:17.199 He says, part of the problem is that what most 1265 01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:20.320 of us want is he says, a grandfather in heaven. 1266 01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:24.000 We want a grandfather who essentially says, ah, you know, 1267 01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:27.239 as long as everybody's having a nice time, that's all 1268 01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:28.840 that matters. And he says, the problem is we have 1269 01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:32.440 a father in heaven who cares about who we are, 1270 01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:34.840 about what kind of people we are, right, No father, 1271 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:38.199 he says, no good father would settle for a kid 1272 01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:43.440 being a total you know, jerk group. Yeah, he used 1273 01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:49.159 the term a blackguard, which is not a contemporary But 1274 01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:53.199 like we, no good parent wants their kid to be 1275 01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:58.440 a horrible human being if that's if that makes them happy. 1276 01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:01.119 We want our kids to be good, good, and I 1277 01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:04.400 think there's something really really similar here where the idea 1278 01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:10.039 is that like, yeah, maybe life is harder if you're 1279 01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:13.079 really human, if you're really living a good human life, 1280 01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:15.679 and and maybe that's okay. So yeah, Chris, I mean 1281 01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:17.199 my answer to your question is, even if it's for 1282 01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:20.119 my kids, it's hard to say. I want my kids 1283 01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:23.320 to have comfortable lives. But if they have to choose 1284 01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:28.800 between being good human beings and being comfortable, I prefer 1285 01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:29.639 they have the former. 1286 01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:37.519 I think I think we should wrap it up well. 1287 01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:40.559 People can pick up on some of that later, but 1288 01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:43.320 this has been an interesting conversation. I dare say, and 1289 01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:45.679 I think that we have enough time remaining for three 1290 01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:46.480 minutes of happiness. 1291 01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:48.719 Yes, who wants to go first? And I think, by 1292 01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:51.639 the way, I thought all three drinks were great. I mean, 1293 01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:57.039 the Lmon Driver is good from start to sell recipes 1294 01:03:57.079 --> 01:03:59.679 in the show notes, Amanda, you go ahead. 1295 01:03:59.639 --> 01:04:03.599 Okay, Well, I mentioned Mary Oliver earlier and I've actually 1296 01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:06.360 read this poem on air before in this podcast, but 1297 01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:10.920 it's so important for the summer day, and it's Jana. 1298 01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:13.599 Magar toast a chance, we're going to come back for 1299 01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:15.159 a toast? Yeah, we can, how much I'll get. 1300 01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:17.400 Poem is a song, but I don't read the whole thing. 1301 01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:19.039 I would love to hear you read the poem. 1302 01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:21.719 Yeah, a man reads the poem and while you're reading it, 1303 01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:23.079 choose the part that will be our toast. 1304 01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:27.400 Okay, all right? So she says, who made the world, 1305 01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:30.440 Who made the swan and the black bear? Who made 1306 01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:33.599 the grasshopper? This grasshopper, I mean the one who has 1307 01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:35.559 flung herself out of the grass. The one is who 1308 01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:37.519 is eating sugar out of my hand, who is moving 1309 01:04:37.519 --> 01:04:39.320 her jaws back and forth instead of up and down. 1310 01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:42.679 Now she lifts her pale forearms and thoroughly washes her face. 1311 01:04:42.920 -->

01:04:46.719 So we're talking about a g grasshopper, No big, well, bright, okay, grasshopper, Yeah, 1312 01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:50.440 exactly all right. I don't know exactly what a prayer is. 1313 01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:53.320 I do know how to pay attention, how to fall 1314 01:04:53.360 --> 01:04:55.559 down into the grass, how to kneel down in the grass, 1315 01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:57.599 how to be idle and blessed, how to stroll through 1316 01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:00.119 the fields, which is what I have been doing all day. 1317 01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:03.360 Tell me what else should I have done? Doesn't everything 1318 01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:06.480 die at last and too soon. Tell me what is 1319 01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:08.760 it you plan to do with your one, wild and 1320 01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:13.239 precious life. So that's my moment of happiness always, which 1321 01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:16.000 is about how we spend our time. And sometimes this 1322 01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:17.920 is misread as like us see as the day, go 1323 01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:20.800 do something great, And that's not what she's saying. She's saying, 1324 01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:24.320 sit in a field, watch a grasshopper, live in your body, 1325 01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:28.840 exist and that's enough. Don't be productivists, like just live 1326 01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:30.280 in this world. 1327 01:05:31.199 --> 01:05:33.280 Okay, that's good. I am. 1328 01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:36.800 I feel on board to say what I want to say. 1329 01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:38.480 So I feel like you sip. 1330 01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:43.519 Just about the rits, so the risk Carlton in Turtle 1331 01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:44.280 bay O Wahu. 1332 01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:47.880 Okay, it's great. Tell Jessica I said, I don't even 1333 01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:54.199 know what her name is, but yeah, no, So now 1334 01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:58.159 I feel stupid because you're right. But I will say this. 1335 01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:03.199 I I have reference us on uh in prior years. 1336 01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:04.960 We've been doing this for almost four years. 1337 01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:06.239 And we need to do a four we need to 1338 01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:08.360 do a four year anniversary episode. 1339 01:06:09.039 --> 01:06:11.280 But I have I've referenced it. 1340 01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:11.599 I have. 1341 01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:15.920 I long many years ago, I created this fundraiser to 1342 01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:18.079 help kids with type one diabetes. I mentioned my son 1343 01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:20.599 Max earlier. He has Type one diabetes diabetes, And. 1344 01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:25.079 I do this fundraiser around the Master's Golf tournament and 1345 01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:31.639 it is six weeks away, and I am getting genuine 1346 01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:35.920 anxiety because the fundraiser, it is a ton of work 1347 01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:38.719 for me, and and I'm always happy I did it. 1348 01:06:39.559 --> 01:06:42.159 But this year, like every other year, I'm like, oh 1349 01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:43.400 my gosh, am I going to be able to pull 1350 01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:45.280 this off. But here's the thing. 1351 01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:48.599 This year, I've worked with some people, some friends of mine, 1352 01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:50.960 and we're giving away some prizes that are going to 1353 01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:51.599 be next level. 1354 01:06:51.599 --> 01:06:53.599 So if you're in a golf so. 1355 01:06:53.679 --> 01:06:55.400 Even if you're not, I'm in this tournament. I'm not 1356 01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:58.280 a big golf fan, but I love Chris tournament. 1357 01:06:58.360 --> 01:07:00.960 Yeah, I called the Masters for Ax. My son's name 1358 01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:04.239 is Max, and it people can win real money. But 1359 01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:06.280 I try to make it the opposite of FanDuel, the 1360 01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:10.039 opposite of what are all the gambling platforms. 1361 01:07:10.360 --> 01:07:11.559 I've got an online gambler. 1362 01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:15.079 I don't get gamble on sports by this for ten 1363 01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:18.679 years now and I've won a fifty dollars. I appreciate that, 1364 01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:20.159 but and it's awesome. 1365 01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:22.440 But I try to make it fun and interesting and 1366 01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:26.159 goofy and it raises so much money. And this year 1367 01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:29.360 we're in the precipice. We're in the brink of raising 1368 01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:31.519 a million dollars for the charity that I support, and 1369 01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:34.079 this year we should cross that. And there's gonna be 1370 01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:35.760 a lot of stuff coming out about it that I'm 1371 01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:36.559 excited about. 1372 01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:37.559 So it's pretty cool. 1373 01:07:37.639 --> 01:07:38.639 Anyway, that's awesome. 1374 01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:42.679 Where people online, Chris, if you were interested in golf, 1375 01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:43.159 or go. 1376 01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:47.119 To max dot, propel mg dot com Max max dot. 1377 01:07:47.119 --> 01:07:50.719 Propel mg, propel p r O p e l mg 1378 01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:53.320 dot com and then I'll tell you about it. But 1379 01:07:53.679 --> 01:07:54.800 it's crazy. 1380 01:07:55.840 --> 01:07:58.559 That is awesome. Yeah, it is a great thing, great thing. 1381 01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:01.320 I'll be really quick. I just had we're recording this 1382 01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:04.079 on a Tuesday, and I am coming off of one 1383 01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:07.920 of the great weekends of recent memory. And it was 1384 01:08:07.960 --> 01:08:11.000 nothing super profound, but just really really a beautiful time 1385 01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:13.840 with the family. My firstborn son and his new wife 1386 01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:15.920 watched in a recent episode that I have a

daughter 1387 01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:19.399 in lawn. They came home for the first time as 1388 01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:23.680 a married couple. They brought my daughter who's at college 1389 01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:28.199 near where they're living with them, and my second son, 1390 01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:31.039 who's in college, also was able to come home for 1391 01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:35.439 the weekend, and we just had this amazing weekend as 1392 01:08:35.439 --> 01:08:38.039 a family and probably one of the last times that 1393 01:08:38.079 --> 01:08:40.880 it will be sort of just us together. But it 1394 01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:43.720 was really beautiful, really wonderful. There was a high point 1395 01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:47.159 when we were all sitting around the fire just chatting 1396 01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:50.920 and enjoying each other's company after dinner, and somebody I 1397 01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:54.119 think was my firstborn actually asked if we were reading 1398 01:08:54.119 --> 01:08:57.039 any Narnia books currently, which is something we've done literally 1399 01:08:57.119 --> 01:09:01.439 since he was in utero, and we are, in fact, 1400 01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:03.119 in the midst of a Narnia book, and there was 1401 01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:05.600 a request that we do a chapter of Narnia, which 1402 01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:08.279 is something we've done as a family forever. And to 1403 01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:10.760 sit there with my kids, you know, ranging in age 1404 01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:15.960 from twenty three to eight, and my daughter in law 1405 01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:20.439 and my wife and sitting around the fire reading Narnia together, 1406 01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:24.119 it was just really really beautiful and awesome and I'm 1407 01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:26.960 so grateful and it was so human To go back 1408 01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:30.239 to your game today, Amanda, would you take us out 1409 01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:30.560 of here? 1410 01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:32.600 I will. I'm going to read the end of the 1411 01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:35.560 poem that I just read, So tell me what else 1412 01:09:35.560 --> 01:09:37.760 should I have done? Doesn't everything die at last? And 1413 01:09:37.800 --> 01:09:40.319 too soon. Tell me what is it you plan to 1414 01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:44.079 do with your one, wild and precious life? 1415 01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:47.199 Sure, Mic Drop, Well done. 1416 01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:51.159 Thanks for listening to the Three Questions, Three Drinks podcast. 1417 01:09:51.560 --> 01:09:54.239 If you like what we're doing here, share a favorite 1418 01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:57.319 episode with a friend, send them a text and be like, dude, 1419 01:09:57.359 --> 01:10:00.199 you'd like this episode, it's cool, or you'd like this 1420 01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:04.720 this podcast. You can find the drink recipes in the 1421 01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:09.359 show notes. You can go online to the Instagram or 1422 01:10:09.399 --> 01:10:12.239 the Facebook at three Drinks Podcasts. That is, at three 1423 01:10:12.279 --> 01:10:16.720 Drinks Podcasts you can see pictures from each episode and 1424 01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:20.199 we hope that you join us on the next one, 1425 01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:21.000 so we'll see us soon. 1426 01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:22.600 Thanks everyone,