Full Transcript for Session 486: Cree Summer & Kennedi Reece on the A Different World Reboot

00:06:08 Speaker 2: Honestly, sometimes Kennedy gets this look and this smile. It's just so authentic and so full of love and promise. You know, there's a couple of times when she's looking up at the boys and I just think, oh, that's Freddie. Because we believe anything is possible. Hazel believes in magic. Freddie definitely believes in magic. They've got that beautiful innocence about them. So I think that's the commonality. And even that ability to forgive, that beautiful moment when Hazel forgives everybody. I think that's very Freddie Brooks coded. 00:06:42 Speaker 1: Anything additional for you? 00:06:43 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:06:44 Speaker 3: I mean, it's the same thing. I feel like we just are so willing to love and willing to put forth that before anything else. And so I just think it really comes across just in the eyes. And like, everybody also tells me that I just look like Cree and I love that so much. It makes me so happy. And so I just feel like just our demeanor and our overall aura, it's just like very bright. 00:07:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a beautiful compliment. If people told me that I reminded them of Cree Summer, you would not be able to tell me anything. 00:07:16 Speaker 3: No, you cannot tell me about it. I love it. That's very kind of you guys. 00:07:24 Speaker 1: So Cree, let us go back to the moment when you were first introduced to Freddie. You had already been doing Canadian children's television. You were already doing some voice work. And then you landed on this show that like introduced HBCUs to a whole generation of students. 00:07:37 Speaker 2: And to me. 00:07:39 Speaker 3: And to you. 00:07:40 Speaker 1: So who on that set do you feel like really helped you understand what it meant to be an HBCU student? 00:07:46 Speaker 2: But don't forget, I come from Toronto, Canada. There's no HBCUs in Canada. So that was a big revelation. I'd say Jasmine Guy. As soon as I walked onto set, she took one look at me and said, we're going to be sisters. And she was an incredible scene partner. She worked with me. She went to an HBCU. Her father was a professor at an HBCU. And so she just had so much insight and never gate kept. You know, it's a rare thing. And I see it in this new cast too. And unfortunately, Hollywood is not always a very generous place. And it is so refreshing to, And it was a great, deep experience to have a cast that all supported each other. Jasmine was infinitely helpful, taught me so much. And I see that in this young cast, too, the way they support each other. And it's good. I mean, I think the reason you said to us that you're on now your third watch is, you know, people can smell whether it's real or not. And you can tell that this cast really loves each other. 00:08:46 Speaker 1: Are there other similarities that you feel like you notice between your cast and this new cast now? 00:08:51 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just the hanging out on purpose, the camaraderie. They all sing. We used to sing to the chagrin

of all the older actors at all times. 00:09:00 Speaker 3: I mean, I just. 00:09:01 Speaker 2: Remember them looking over at us like, oh God, are they still singing? We had so much energy. We were rebounding off the walls and just the immediate familial integration that I've been on a lot of sets and Kennedy, you will have many, many sets in your future and just relish this one because this is very rare. 00:09:25 Speaker 1: And then Kennedy, Debbie Allen actually found you in the Howard auditions. And so tell me what about your actual experience as an HBCU student was infused into how you played Hazel? 00:09:35 Speaker 3: I think just in the way that she brings in her community, like my experience, And the most amazing thing that I got to take away from Howard is my friends. Those girls are with me till the day I die. We are so incredibly close. And I feel like having that community behind me and being able to experience just the culture of an HBCU helped me. to just kind of live in it authentically. And then also, since I was the only one out of the six newbies who went to an HBCU, I mean, Elijah, she kind of like a lot of her friends were at AUC. So she was around it, but I was the only one who actually went. So it was really nice to be able to like kind of share like my knowledge about it. Like I talked to them about the pageants and how that works, how it's very serious business, like all of it. So it was really nice to be able to kind of just like share HBCU culture with people who hadn't like had it ingrained into them. And yeah, I was just, it means so much to me to be able to be found on Howard's campus and be able to portray another HBCU. 00:10:42 Speaker 1: It's So, Kennedy, I also want to know the timeline, because was there a point at which you knew that you had been cast for the role and you were still on campus and like had to hide that from everybody? 00:10:54 Speaker 3: There was for a while, which is really funny because so I got the audition my junior year, second semester, and everybody knew about the audition because multiple people like from the school like had auditioned in person, some submitted videos. So we all knew about it. but nobody like saying anything. So even for a minute, I wasn't sure if anybody else had gotten picked either, but they ended up flying me out to do the chemistry read during my finals week. So then it was kind of like, and with musical theater, like if you're not there, it's noticeable. I told like my very close people, I was like, if anybody asks where I am, just say family emergency. Like they won't ask any more about that. But I had to reschedule like all of my finals and everything. So I was gone for like a week. And then, not even a week, just, like, the most important days. 00:11:45 Speaker 1: I guess. 00:11:46 Speaker 2: Just the most important days. 00:11:48 Speaker 3: Right, you know? But, yeah, and then I found out a few weeks later for sure that I had gotten the role. And I filmed the pilot, and I still, like, wasn't telling any of, like, my cohort or, like, my very close, like, personal friends they knew. But, like, it was really interesting because then I go back to school, and it's kind of just like, oh, like. 00:12:12 Speaker 3: And I think at one point it had gotten like there was an early leak or something. That's when my friends all found out and they were in the group chat like, this is so crazy. Congrats. It was so great because they were so incredibly supportive about everything too. And they were just like, you so deserve it. This is amazing for you. We're so proud of you. Can't wait to see where you go. And it was just so beautiful to be able to celebrate that. And then when the official, official release came out, I was in class and literally my professor stopped class and he was like, look at the announcement. We have like a whole dance party and like, yeah, it was so beautiful. And everybody there was just so supportive of me because I feel like a lot of times people can, think in those spaces, like it's very competitive because we are all working towards the same goal. This is a competitive field. But to be able to just be surrounded by love from my classmates and like just feel supported in that and still supported to this day. They're always texting me. They're like, girl, you did so good. I'm so proud of you. You inspire me. Like it's just so like the love and support is amazing. 00:13:20 Speaker 1: Oh, I love that. More from our conversation after the break. You know us as an award-winning podcast, but Therapy for Black Girls is also helping connect you to real care in your community. As the year winds down, a lot of us start thinking about what we want to feel in the new year. If finding a therapist is on your list, start at the Therapy for Black Girls directory, where over 5,000 Black women practitioners are ready to connect. Search at therapyforblackgirls.com. And therapists, this is a great time to make sure you're listed and your profile is ready for the new year. Join us at therapyforblackgirls.com slash start dash here. Kennedy, can you talk about for yourself, definitely as the person who was the HBCU student, but I'm guessing also for the other newbies, was there any kind of pressure related to bringing back such a beloved show as like a new iteration of it? 00:14:20 Speaker 3: We get this question a lot. And I'm like, I know like Malia said and everything, but it wasn't so much pressure as responsibility because like, we all knew the legacy and the culture coming into this. We knew how important it was. And we knew how important the original show was to the culture and what it did for people like enrollment at HBCU skyrocketed while they were on air. And that's like something that I can only hope for. And so it wasn't necessarily pressure, but we did feel the responsibility to do it justice and portray our world accurately and pay homage to the original, but also give the new generation something

that the OGs had. Because we don't have a lot of Black youth shows. We don't have a lot of shows about HBCUs or anything. And so to be able to really dive into the culture authentically and then have the amazing OG cast just like have our backs throughout all of it, it's an amazing feeling. 00:15:16 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And Cree, what about you? When you heard that there was going to be a reboot, what were your feelings about this new meeting of the students at Hillman? 00:15:25 Speaker 2: Well, I think that all of the legacy cast had the same reaction. Debbie Allen has been trying to relaunch this show since it went off the air. That's 30 plus years, dare I say. And then Daryl Bell started trying to have it come back. And then I think once you get to year 39, you really don't believe it's possible. And you get on with your life. You're having babies and living your life. So when they told us we were coming back, Debbie told us, I think we were at the Soul Train Awards, about to go on stage and present an award. And she said, we're back. And I think we all said, back where? And she said, no, we're going to do it again. And we said, yeah, OK. And I think we all just kind of went out and did it. And then months went by. And I don't think any of us really believed it, honestly, till we signed on the dotted line, till we started negotiating. And then the thought was just excitement. And just like Kennedy, I think we all had that same feeling. Let's do this justice. Let's make sure it's held up to the same beautiful standard that we first had. But I think we all felt like we were in good hands. We had Debbie with us and Felicia and it didn't feel like we were in trouble. 00:16:31 Speaker 1: So, Cree, I also want to take you back to one of the early episodes from season two. So there was an episode called No Means No. Yeah, you are having a date with Garth, the star baseball player. And Dwayne says, you know, I've heard some things about you. And you tell him like, oh, you're just jealous, like you don't know what you're talking about. And then, of course, he tries to force himself on her on that date. Can you tell me what it was like making that episode? And then maybe what you remember about like the reaction to that episode after it aired? 00:17:01 Speaker 2: Well, what a timely question, given what's going on right now, first of all, right? Given what's happening in real time today, I think that conversation that Sinbad has with Kadeem is so resounding when Walter Oaks tells Dwayne, no means no, no matter what the circumstance. And then if I take us back in the time machine to when we made that episode, date rape was just starting to have the name date rape. It wasn't identified really. You couldn't go to court and say, we're charging this man with date rape. It was just being born. And to name something is very powerful. So to be on the forefront of identifying it and naming it and claiming it so that it could be persecuted was a huge, huge thing. And to play that, when we talk about these characters, right, Hazel and Freddie, that naivete of just believing everything's going to be okay and then finding yourself in that terrifying situation and having everybody rally around and say they're going to believe you and encouraging her to go say something about it. As a matter of fact, I can get emotional right now. There's one line at the very end. I say to Kadeem, thank you, Dwayne. Thank you for being my friend. And there's something about that that just tears me up every time. Because it takes a village to cover rape and it takes a village to heal from rape. Even attempted, right? Something just coming close to your body autonomy is so devastating. And I'm really proud of Debbie Allen. I'm proud of Different World for being so courageous at a time when it wasn't happening. Feels like now too. Now is a very dangerous time to be courageous. To tell the truth right now. 00:18:57 Speaker 1: Do you remember any reaction to that when it aired? Because you're right. We weren't having very many conversations about things like that. Definitely not in the Black community, right? I think it was like there was an additional layer to that. So do you remember any reaction? 00:19:08 Speaker 3: I do. 00:19:09 Speaker 2: I remember girls coming up to me and telling me, I didn't know it was called date rape until that show. And they would say, it's happened to me. I didn't know it was called date rape. And I think it was very empowering. We have to identify these things so that we can really get into it. It shakes you up. You know, there's so much television out there and very little television for our people. And so to have a show like Different World that gets into the nitty gritty is so important. And I don't think people realized it until it came back. And you see the public reaction. Everyone's going, oh, we were starving in the desert. Thank you for giving young boys people a voice again, especially now. 00:19:52 Speaker 1: And Kennedy, you know, kind of going back to our earlier conversation around how Freddie and Hazel feel like sister characters. We also see an experience that you have dating Jalen. And then we find out that there has been this hookup with Amir. Amir tries to tell Hazel about it and she calls him jealous and, you know, launches into this whole diatribe around sexuality. What were your thoughts around how that would be portrayed, especially to members of the GLBTQ community? 00:20:19 Speaker 3: I think it was really important to show that because I feel like that's still a real reality of people feeling the need to hide themselves and hide their sexuality based on others' opinions and bigotry. And I'm really happy that I honestly got this storyline because it was able to show that you can still have love for those who live differently than you. And with Amir and Hazel, this is her first time, you know, coming into probably like any type of person who is gay, like from her small town,

there weren't a lot of people who were out like that. And the fact that she was able to make such a close friend with him made her kind of realize that things that she has been told maybe aren't correct and that she can learn what her faith is for herself rather than what other people say that it should be. And so being able to have her be challenged in that way was really empowering, I feel like, because I am really happy that I was able to show that you can still be a Christian and still have love for others. like what they're doing has nothing to do with you. 00:21:33 Speaker 2: Thank you, baby. At all. 00:21:36 Speaker 3: So the fact that Hazel was able to overcome that, and even though it did hurt her, she realized that her love for Amir and her love for his situation and how hard like his life has been and how hard it can be in his community that I'm just really glad that I was able to portray a character with that much love in her. And, honestly show my own love. Like that's how I feel about the community and about everybody. So I'm just really proud. 00:22:03 Speaker 1: Yeah. And you've gone on record and talked to the lab about how you think that Christianity can sometimes be very rigid and not like welcoming and accepting of people who identify as queer. How do you feel like that is expanding your own thinking around these kinds of topics? 00:22:20 Speaker 3: Well, it's really interesting because I am queer myself. I'm pansexual and I'm also a Christian. So it's something that has been at like heads with each other all my life, grown up in the church, grown up believing one sort of type of way. And then realizing that these things are not mutually exclusive in the slightest bit. So you can be gay, you can love God like There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. And the fact that people love to separate it is just proof that there's so much sin in the world that is meant to separate us. When in fact, it's all love. Like, we just want to love each other. So, yeah. 00:23:03 Speaker 1: Thank you for that. 00:23:03 Speaker 2: See how beautiful my baby is. Look at this baby. 00:23:06 Speaker 3: What are you going to do? 00:23:07 Speaker 2: How can you not love this woman? She's so beautiful. 00:23:10 Speaker 3: Oh, I love you so much. 00:23:13 Speaker 2: So proud of you. 00:23:14 Speaker 1: Cree, do you feel like you are seeing a younger version of yourself in some ways in the way that Kennedy answers or shows up? I really do. 00:23:20 Speaker 2: I do. I do. I think Kennedy really has the audacity to be herself. And it's very impressive. It's not an easy thing to do in your 20s. It's not an easy thing to do in your 30s. especially now with social media trying to make everybody exactly the same. I think it's to be yourself in 2026 is a revolutionary act. 00:23:43 Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. You know, you bring up an interesting point, Cree, around social media. And, you know, of course, there was no social media, at least in this way, when the original Different World aired. Yeah. How do you think things might have been different if we had social media when it first came out? 00:23:56 Speaker 2: I'm so glad we didn't, first of all. Ain't nobody's business but my own, if you get the drift. 00:24:03 Speaker 3: Right. 00:24:03 Speaker 2: Thank God they didn't see what I was up to back then. But... So, thank you. 00:24:11 Speaker 3: But. 00:24:12 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I think, unfortunately, it might have been exactly the same. I mean, look, we have social media now and there are still topics that are, you know, people are trepidatious to talk about, right? It's just connecting more if you're talking about the Christian right or political right. Now they are gathering in droves and you can really be persecuted now, right? I think it's even more dangerous terrain with social media, quite frankly. Who knows what kind of backlash we would have had. on that kind of platform at that time. I think it was to our, to our benefit that we didn't have social media then. 00:24:47 Speaker 1: Yeah. More from our conversation after the break. So, you know, in Professor Brooks's class, we see that you do such a beautiful integration of talking about, you know, our prominent thinkers and writers like Bill Hooks and Audre Lorde and, We know that the Black feminist tradition has really done a great job of integrating both healing with intellectual work. Why was it important for this iteration of Freddie to kind of show up in that kind of teaching? And what do you feel like your own life has taught you about how healing and rigor can intersect? 00:25:28 Speaker 2: Well, this bridge called my back, right? We've got this, what Black women have contributed politically and yet still not acknowledged for what we have done for this country. and this around the world. And also Black women being really for so long even pushed out of feminist spaces and having to find and create our own place to be and represent and our own intellectualism honored. But I do think that, you know, it just brings us back to seeing young Black people in spaces of higher education, you know, to be intellectually sparked, have those synapses set off. is a healing thing, right? Every time we read a book and see ourselves, we get healed. Every time we have these elevated conversations, a healing takes place, sometimes unbeknownst to yourself. Sometimes you walk away, maybe you got it on a cellular level, and you didn't even understand the conversation, but you know, you just feel a little different, right? And I love that Freddie incorporates these things. I love that the entree into talking about social media was bell hooks I thought that was very inspired right because it is a thing that's supposed to bring us together and though it feels like it creates such a chasm of apathy so. 00:26:55 Speaker 1: Thank you So, Kennedy, you've already talked about the authenticness to the Miss Gilbert pageant, right? Like that definitely felt like it

was very authentic. I'm also an HBCU grad. I graduated from Xavier. So I definitely know that pageant stuff is a very serious. But in addition to that, what about your time on the set felt most authentic to your actual experience as a Harvard student? 00:27:18 Speaker 3: I keep going back to community, but truly just how close we became as a cast. And I want to say specifically between girls and us living in like Whitley Gilbert Hall, the all girls dorm and all that, because I also lived in an all girls dorm my freshman year. And when I say that was the best decision ever. of my entire life, I feel like I just developed such a want and I realized I got sisterhood, like where I really needed it. When I got to college, I didn't keep a lot of my friends from high school. Some of the friends that I really thought were going to like be like my besties for life. And then I got to college and I got to my dorm and I realized what like true friendship and sisterhood meant. By living with them, we were always with each other and we were always there for each other. And being able to share that with Malia and Elijah in a different form bonded us as sisters for life. And I think it really shows up on screen. There's always that, there's the two roommates and then the one girl from across the hall who will always be busted in their room. Don't live there for real, but she's always there. She's their third roommate. I had my very own third roommate. She's one of my best friends. It was so fun to be able to just build that community for screen. And it was just so incredibly authentic. Like I literally, after the whole flood thing happened, I texted Malia. She called me immediately. She was like, are you okay? Do you need anything? Everything. So, and Elijah too, she was honest. She was like, are you okay? Do you need a place to stay? So the sisterhood that we built, like it's so genuine and true. And I'm so glad that we're able to like show what true like friendship is on screen. Cause I feel like a lot of times we see like friends doing each other dirty, especially like amongst girls and it being very catty and all those kinds of things. And I think it's really important to show younger girls that like your sisters and your friends are the ones who are going to get you through life. No man or no partner or anything is going to do that more than your chosen friends and your sisters and all of those people. So I'm really happy to be able to show that on screen and have it be genuinely authentic. 00:29:33 Speaker 2: And it's not true, right? It's not true in the world. We've always experienced, you know, when you were talking about, what do you think? about one of the most revolutionary things is the way Black women have supported each other. It's how we've always gotten by taking care of each other. And it's always bothered me too, Kennedy, that on television, we're portrayed as not knowing sisterhood. If anybody knows sisterhood, it's Black women. 00:29:55 Speaker 3: Right. 00:29:57 Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. I'd love to hear more about that for you, Cree, right? Because it is really beautiful to hear Kennedy and Malia and Elijah talk about this sisterhood that they are developing now, being the newbies on this cast. But you and Jasmine have your own sisterhood and with other women on the show. Can you talk about how that has transcended throughout the time since making the first iteration? 00:30:16 Speaker 2: Oh, we've been through so much. I mean, Jasmine and I, my oldest daughter, Brave, is born on the same day as Imani, Jasmine's daughter. We've both been through coupling and separating and parents dying. And we've been through the gamut that happens when you have a 30 plus year friendship, a true one. We've cared for each other in highs and lows. And then to be able to come back and act again, it's fantastic. And the same with Kadeem, who was my true love, my very first love, who still is one of my dearest friends and Daryl Bell as well and Charlie. I mean, it's Again, like I tell Kennedy and like I know Daryl always tells the cast, this is a rare thing. You go on to other jobs and you don't keep everybody, let's be honest. You know, we've all had several jobs. You go, I'll see you next time. And you know damn well there's no next time. But with this, it really was magic. And I do think, to reiterate what Kennedy said, there's something about the setting of a college and an HBCU in particular, which is so deeply rooted in family, right? It's like you said, Even the way Freddie's classes are taught, you know that everybody cares about you. Or Kennedy said that the class was stopped so the professor could say, let's have a dance party and celebrate Kennedy. That's indicative of an HBCU. And I think that energy and experience is what creates these lifelong friendships. It makes it real on camera because it's real off camera. 00:31:49 Speaker 1: So Kennedy, Felicia Pride has talked about nobody in this cast being perfect and everybody's messy, right? Like all of the characters are messy. And then we see this kind of bomb drop at the end of the season. Then we find out that Hazel actually had a boyfriend at home, right? 00:32:03 Speaker 3: Hazel. We did not know. I know. I know. 00:32:10 Speaker 2: Oh, Hazel. 00:32:11 Speaker 1: But I love to hear from you, Kennedy, why it maybe felt important to portray a Black girl who wasn't perfect, right? That it is okay to be messy and like you don't have to have it all figured out, which I don't think we always see on screen, right? Especially as Black women, there's this pressure to have it all together. What felt important about being able to kind of play a woman who was messy? 00:32:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think I relate to it as well. Like you said, I feel like Black women especially are expected to be perfect all the time. no mistakes whatsoever. And I think especially with Hazel coming from like a church background and more conservative, she really holds onto

the values of protecting like her image and making sure everything looks correct. And so the fact that she ended up cheating on her boyfriend was kind of like a bomb drop, but honestly, it's truthful. We're all kind of messy and we all make mistakes. We're young. Like she is, 17 years old like she is young. She has a whole life ahead of her and she's going to make mistakes and Not saying that we should ever cheat on anybody because you shouldn't but I think it's important to remember to give ourselves grace especially when we are growing and learning and I know a lot of people were like, oh she was being a little hypocritical and life is hypocritical people are hypocritical and I think it's just a truthful thing to show people that you don't always have to be perfect. You don't always have to put on a show or a mask for everybody because at the end of the day, it might make you act out of character, which I do think cheating is out of Hazel's character. I think she just was so worried about presenting so perfectly and having the perfect partner that she. 00:34:02 Speaker 3: Went a little crazy. But I do think it's really important to just remember that people are going to make mistakes, especially when you are young. I know I made my fair share of mistakes and I'm still making my mistakes. So nobody's perfect. Everybody's messy. And I think it's really important to have like the dichotomy of all of, yes, like she's achieved, she's disciplined, like she gets what she needs to do all the things, but then also things are a little messy and that's okay. 00:34:30 Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. 00:34:31 Speaker 1: So one last question for both of you. What would you like for Black women to take with them into their week, into their month, into their lives from watching the Different World reboot? We'll start with you, Cree. 00:34:43 Speaker 2: I hope they feel seen. There's such a legitimacy in being seen. There's such a disparity in how many times we get to be seen on television right now. And so I hope that they're watching the show and see themselves and say, like Kennedy just said so beautifully, that we are all so many things and we're still lovable and we're still beautiful and we're still deserving of friendship and we're still deserving of opportunity. That was the beauty of the original Different World is someone always sat at home and went, I'm Whitley, I'm Freddie. Well, now they're going, I'm Hazel, I'm Amir. And that's what I hope they take away from it because if you are Hazel, if you are Amir, then there's a possibility of you going to your version of Hillman. Yeah. 00:35:29 Speaker 3: Hmm. I think for me, similarly, that you see yourselves, but also that you know that who you are is enough and you don't have to change yourself for anybody. Because I feel like all of the girls on the show and especially the three of us, me, Malia and Elijah, we are also unapologetically ourselves on the show and we're also different. And I think that's what's so beautiful is the fact that they're all so different, but they're all such beautiful friends and ride or dies for each other. And I hope that people take us away, especially from Hazel, just to be open. And, you know, that bubbly black girl that we don't get to see very often because, you know, you're afraid of being coming off as annoying or coming off as too much like. I hope they see Hazel being like her beautiful, bubbly, happy self. And they just feel empowered to let their light shine and be like as bright and bold as possible. 00:36:27 Speaker 1: I love that. Kennedy, where can we stay connected with you? What is your website or any social media channels you'd like to share? 00:36:34 Speaker 3: You can find me on Instagram and TikTok at Kennedy underscore Reese. Kennedy with an I, Reese with a C. 00:36:41 Speaker 2: Perfect. 00:36:42 Speaker 1: And what about you, Cree? Where can we stay connected? 00:36:44 Speaker 2: Anywhere that's social media, you can find me under I am Cree Summer. Perfect. 00:36:48 Speaker 1: We'll be sure to include that in the show notes. Thank you both for spending some time with us today. I appreciate it. 00:36:53 Speaker 2: Thank you, Dr. Joy. 00:36:55 Speaker 1: I want to give a big thank you to Cree and Kennedy for this wonderful conversation, and I hope you all enjoyed listening in. To learn more about them and their latest projects, be sure to visit the show notes at therapyforblackgirls.com slash session486. And don't forget to text this episode to two of your girls right now and tell them to check it out. Did you know that you could leave us a voicemail with your questions for the podcast? 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