Full Transcript for 89 - Blue Waves, Big Surprises, and the God Who Is for Us

it was uh I think Talla Rico wasn't so as shocking, although it it's you know historic. 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:41.680 Yeah. 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:48.800 Um but I think down the ticket uh for Texas was was very shocking with you know Gina Hinosa. 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:49.759 That was like, what? 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:52.160 Like Yeah, I didn't think that was gonna happen. 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:56.160 The you know, the lieutenant governor, the attorney general down the line. 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:58.240 It was that was that was definitely shocking. 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:01.759 Um but uh let me tell you something that was shocking to me yesterday. 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:03.279 What was shocking to you, Slim. 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:05.279 What was shocking to you, Slo. 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:13.040 So I won't say who I went to visit, but uh, you know, as pastors, we go on these pastoral visits and you know go to our people at our congregation. 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:31.120 And uh went to uh uh one of our our our folks' house who told me ahead of time, and this is one of the reasons I went to visit them, was they said they've gotten they've got a new dog, and then they just they love their dog, and uh this person um you know they they're they're with a dog all day, and so like the dogs just brought them so much joy. 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:34.879 But the dog is a six-year-old Great Dane. 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:36.000 Oh my gosh. 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:42.480 And I've seen you know, like Great Danes from afar, I've seen them on TV, and you're like, yeah, they're big. 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:43.360 Yeah. 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:45.839 Um my gosh. 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:48.480 I don't know if I was prepared. 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:59.680 I know I definitely was not prepared for for meeting this dog or for what happened when I met the dog, but um, but uh the this person said that hey, he's he's very territorial. 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:00.480 Oh no. 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:07.040 So just uh a heads up no do not go to the house and ring the doorbell, or he it will make it'll make him mad. 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:08.240 And I was like, okay. 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:09.040 Oh god. 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:12.560 I park. 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:14.000 I'm not coming to your house. 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:21.199 Just so if you have a great anybody, anybody, if you got if you have a large animal, I'm not I'm just probably not gonna come here. 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:25.040 I mean, my girls are already afraid of dogs, so like that. 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:26.319 This story will not help. 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:28.399 Uh look, they they just won't hear it. 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:28.959 That's fine. 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:30.240 This story will not help. 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:34.639 So I I I park and uh I text him, say, hey, I'm here, and he's not coming out. 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:36.480 So I call, then finally he comes out. 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:47.199 Um, but uh the

angle at where I'm at, I'm I'm uh I'm I'm on the on on the front lawn, he opens the door and there's kind of a bush in front of the door, uh, you know, a little stair down to get to it. 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:49.839 And so I just see him and he's like, Oh hey, Slim. 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:51.199 And I was like, oh hey. 00:06:51.439 --> 00:07:02.399 And in that like two-second, you know, hey, hey response there, all I do, I I I hear from behind me, so I'm facing the house. 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:03.279 Oh no! 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:15.759 I hear from behind me this deep, oh no, the dog, the great ding came out from the house and sprinted behind me and got behind me and started barking. 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:18.399 And I mean, I'm what five's nine? 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:19.199 Oh my god. 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:23.600 This thing is like up to my chin, and it's it's like a six foot or whatever. 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:25.600 It's it's a very, very large. 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:28.000 It's so big. 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:28.959 Oh my god. 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:30.480 I was not ready for this. 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:37.759 It sprinted behind you, so it's super agile, but it's so like this is where I'm like, this is like a lion. 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:40.399 It's you people say they're like horses. 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:41.920 I'm in my car at that point, bro. 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:43.199 It is it was a lion. 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:43.920 It was a lion. 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:44.240 No. 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:50.879 Because the way it pranced around, and then you know, so it barks, and I and I step back and then it it attacks. 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:54.959 And so then it jumps at my leg and like you know, teeth on my on my leg. 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:56.160 Oh man. 00:07:56.240 --> 00:08:04.959 Oh no, no, I'm pushing off, and then you know this guy he gets the dog off quickly, and so like and he's like, Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:05.839 Are you okay? 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:07.680 And I was like, I was like, Yeah, that's fine. 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:08.480 I'm okay, dude. 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:10.399 Traumatized the rest of my life at the time. 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:13.279 And he's like, he's like, are you sure? 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:18.720 And then I looked down and like I was wearing like khaki pants, and I was like, Yeah, that's okay, just a little toy tear. 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:27.680 And then you start to see like the blood start to absorb into the khaki, and I was like, Oh, this is more serious than I thought. 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:32.639 I was like, shoot, yeah, we should probably address that. 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:39.679 No, so we got bandages and oh my god, cleaned it up. 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:40.080 Um 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:40.639 Bro. 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:43.360 What like 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:48.799 I am never on a pastoral visit, had no fear for my nope, nope. 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:50.399 That's not true. 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:53.679 Um that's another story. 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:59.120 Uh but but the dog felt so bad. 00:08:59.200 --> 00:08:59.519 Uh-huh. 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:03.600 The dog felt so bad afterwards because he had been told that you know I'm a friendly. 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:09.360 And we go inside to clean it up, but also to to hang out because I'm committed. 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:09.919 Uh-huh. 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:13.919 And the dog just kept coming back to like basically say sorry. 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:15.600 And so it was like leaning into me. 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:18.480 I was like, like, oh, I'm like, you could tell it felt bad. 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:18.960 Uh-huh. 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:21.440 But it's so large. 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:25.360 And I'm sitting down and now it's like face to face with me. 00:09:25.440 --> 00:09:27.600 And I'm like, I do not trust you. 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:36.799 But like I I could tell you're trying to feel bad, but also like if I make one sudden movement or if I pet you in the wrong way, because I've had that with dogs before, if you pet the wrong way. 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:40.159 And I'm like, if this dog snaps at me, it's not a small bite. 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:41.840 Like, this could bite my face off. 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:49.600 Look, I'm just this is why most of my at least up to close interaction with animals, I will wait until the new heavens and new earth. 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:58.480 When when I when when I after my after my body and soul have been fully redeemed and I have control over all of them, then we can interact. 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:02.000 Until then, I it's it's risk at this point. 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:05.120 That was that was shocking. 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:07.200 Yeah, yeah, that's yeah. 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:07.840 Uh-huh. 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:09.840 That sounds all right. 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:11.440 Goodness gracious, man. 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:12.080 Yeah, that was rough. 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:12.639 That was rough. 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:13.279 That's wild. 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:16.639 Um, I I don't know if you guys came here to l to listen to these stories. 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:17.919 Um of course they did. 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:18.960 They came to hang out with us. 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:25.200 That's why some of y'all have been writing uh mail in, and we've got it, we've got to hit the mailbag, but you know, I'm not prepped for that. 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:27.679 So next time we will be looking at the mailbag. 00:10:27.759 --> 00:10:30.399 So if you do have mail, don't worry, we are reading it. 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:32.320 Uh, we're just yet to respond to it. 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:37.600 Um, but hello at theologyandpieces.com, or you can uh hit the message there. 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:43.039 Um and as always, you know, liking, rating, reviewing, um, we're gonna check at those as well. 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:48.399 Um, but if

you didn't come for the the shocking stories, we know you also come for the 00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:50.360 Terrible tweets. 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:51.720 Dun dun dun. 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:53.279 Yeah. 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:59.120 Or the seek the part of our podcast where Slim finds things that he thinks are gonna make Malcolm upset. 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:07.360 Part of the podcast with Slim thinks he's gonna make Malcolm upset. 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:11.039 Uh and this doesn't have the say the same rig. 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:11.759 Yeah, yeah. 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:13.519 It's not it's not as punchy. 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:17.279 Um, so let's see. 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:20.159 Um Malcolm, yes, you like music, right? 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:20.639 I do. 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:21.360 On occasion. 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:22.639 Do you like Christian music? 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:23.759 Are you a big Christian music? 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:29.519 Uh I mean like gospel and like chance. 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:33.600 Gregorian chat, Byzantine child. 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:35.039 Actually, it was like chance the rapper? 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:35.759 Yeah, me too. 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:39.919 I was 100% in the opposite direction there. 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:41.039 I was like, yeah, he's good. 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:41.759 It's fine. 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:42.799 It's fine. 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:48.879 Um well that have you heard of the uh Christian artist Forrest Frank? 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:49.360 Yes. 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:56.559 Um, my boys love his, you know, we've introduced very, very happy um, you know, Christian music. 00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:57.120 Yes. 00:11:57.360 --> 00:12:00.799 Um, I think he's from from Waco. 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:05.519 Um and uh he he's he's he's relatively large these days. 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:08.240 He's he's got seven million Instagram followers. 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:12.320 Um he put out a video after the election. 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:15.200 Um and I just wanted to see what you think about it. 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:15.519 Okay. 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:17.360 I'm probably gonna lose so many followers for this. 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:18.480 Okay, first of all. 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:20.799 Yep, I save, save. 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:22.080 I paused it. 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:26.480 That was the beginning of his video after Charlie Kirk was shot. 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:29.600 Two seconds. 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:31.120 First of all. 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:36.879 Probably gonna lose before we get any further into this video. 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:41.840 I feel like when you say that, you are inviting people to follow you more. 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:42.399 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:45.360 It's like the false humility, like, no, no, I'm fine. 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:54.159 And I try to stay out of politics, but do you sometimes I feel like it's important to speak up. 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:58.720

Got on social media, and my feed was Do you notice the the music coming in? 00:12:58.799 --> 00:12:58.879 No. 00:12:59.840 --> 00:13:03.200 And it was stuff like we're gonna invent new genders you haven't even imagined yet. 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:04.399 30,000 likes on that. 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:06.399 We're gonna trans your kids so bad. 00:13:06.559 --> 00:13:07.600 46,000 likes. 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:10.000 Throw his Amex down at the abortion clinic. 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:11.440 Keep the tab open. 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:15.120 Guys, this is you don't want to mess around with this. 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:18.399 Do not mess around with God, do not mess around with the family. 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:24.240 The final verse in the Old Testament reads as this He will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children and the hearts of the children to the fathers. 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:26.000 Otherwise, I will destroy the land. 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:28.159 If we lose the family, we lose everything. 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:29.120 I want to do two things. 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:31.200 One, okay, well, pause real quick. 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:38.000 He is responding to these tweets sent to him that say we're gonna trans. 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:40.159 your trans your kids so 00:13:42.240 --> 00:13:42.960 I'm sorry. 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:44.080 I know, I know, I know. 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:46.320 I'm sorry, because it's just funny. 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:56.480 I don't understand how he doesn't see this was all complete trolling and that we're gonna throw the Amex card down at the abortion clay. 00:13:56.639 --> 00:14:01.600 Like, yeah, okay, like there are some things, yes, you should not be making these jokes. 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:02.480 Right, right. 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:05.600 And and as Christians, should we ever troll anyone? 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:06.639 I don't think so. 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:11.440 It seems also a a version of not loving your neighbor. 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:12.320 Yeah, sure. 00:14:12.559 --> 00:14:22.720 So but when it happens in the world, and let's say those people aren't Christians who are doing this to him, yeah, like you you don't respond as if this is real. 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:25.759 We're gonna invent gender, we're gonna invent genders. 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:36.960 The fact that he thinks this is real, it's very clear, it's very clear that they're playing off of that they're playing off of the kind of rhetoric that was poised against the left. 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:48.320 It's I mean, for the last kind of several years, that they're just like it's just uh it's it was it was very much like you you were saying this bad thing would happen if the Democrats win. 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:52.720 So the Democrats at have won the mid midterm elections, yeah, uh, by all accounts. 00:14:52.960 --> 00:15:02.240 Um, and then he gets people saying these things, then he's like, with the the the emotional manipulation manipulative music in the background. 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:03.120 We can't lose the family. 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:04.159 We can't lose the family. 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:13.600 So then he quotes Malachi 4-6 uh about you know heart hearts of fathers turning towards their children, children to their fathers, this beautiful passage about reconciliation and restoration. 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:19.600 Um, but it's also in this the context of God's judgment um and this prophetic call to turn back to God. 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:33.759 Yeah, and he quotes this, and I'm not saying I don't know who he voted for, and I'm not saying, but the fact that the results of this election made him feel like that we are now uh now, now our families are being torn apart. 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:44.639 When the let's just looking at the the Texas election of Talerico versus Ken Paxton, Ken Paxton was openly like cheating on his wife uh on on the second or third wife. 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:53.919 Like we have we have the president in the United States who has you know found libel for or been found guilty of for sexual assault. 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:55.840 Like like there's yeah. 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:03.279 When did when did Karen for the families come into the the picture for this this particular party? 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:06.000 Why don't we start prosecuting some folks in the Epstein files? 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:07.759 How about that for the family? 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:08.399 Let's do that. 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:09.840 Come on, come on. 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:12.639 Anyway, so but then here we go. 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:15.279 To encourage you to be activated. 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:20.399 The music's changed from discern, read your word, hold your family tight, get activated. 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:22.879 Let's be the soldiers that we signed up to be for the kingdom. 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:26.879 And secondly, be encouraged because God is the victor. 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:37.360 And we don't disagree with every knee will bow, that God is the victor, he will win. 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:44.240 It's just so interesting that when like your side wins, yeah, you say, Romans 13, bow the knee to him. 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:46.639 Uh bow to the knee to the uh our our leader. 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:50.000 And when it's not your side, you're like, hey, it's okay, God's time to fight. 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:51.679 Get ready to fight. 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:54.320 Don't worry, the Lord still wins. 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:57.600 That voice, I don't know what voice that was, Malcolm. 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:01.519 Don't lose hope, man. 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:04.640 Lord is still on the throne. 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:06.079 Is that Malcolm's force, Frank? 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:08.720 Or just like generic white guy voice. 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:14.960 The Democrats may be headed to the White House, but the Lord is still on the throne. 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:20.000 I want

us to always have a segment where you do this voice. 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:23.200 What is this? 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:25.279 Amen. 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:31.599 It's almost like Texas may be purple, but the Lord's blood was still red. 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:34.480 Now that's what we've heard. 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:36.720 That that's been going around. 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:42.160 Now, was the Lord's blood still red when Red was in charge? 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:46.400 Uh so that that that's that's from Force Frank. 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:48.400 Um I laughed far too much at that. 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:52.640 Um here here's here's another uh Christian influencer's response to this. 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:54.400 This is Allie Beth Stuckey. 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:58.160 She wrote the fantastic book Toxic Empathy. 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:02.000 Because you know what we we need less of in our world is empathy. 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:18.240 And uh we can put to the side for a second his horrifying politics and the fact that he supports the unfettered taxpayer funded right to abortion through all that months of pregnancy. 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:23.599 We're talking about the poisoning and dismemberment of little babies inside the womb. 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:29.759 We can put to the side for a second the fact that he has said on multiple occasions I love trans kids. 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:34.160 We'll stop with the we'll come to first of all we'll come to the trans part here. 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:55.200 But the the part about ab abortion here that she's so upset over, um I just I would love to see that same type of outrage towards Trump who and the GOP, like the the the GOP senator who was going against uh uh Abdul El Sayyid right before the election said, like, hey no, it's it's up to the women to choose. 00:18:55.279 --> 00:18:56.960 You're like, where was the outrage there? 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:07.599 Where's the outrage over we have these these pills that are being sent federally and because we said no, it's we're gonna leave it to the states, but if you can order these pills federally uh for abortion, where's the outrage? 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:11.519 Like more abortions have got up under Trump every single time. 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:15.519 Like every single time Trump has been in office, the abortion rate has gone up. 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:17.200 Where is that outrage? 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:23.599 And then she starts saying, you know, that Hal Rico, because he says uh he loves trans kids, uh let's keep going. 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:24.160 I hope she gets it. 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:37.599 We can just put all of that to the side for a second to focus on the most important fact that James Halrico is a heretic. 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:39.839 And we'll talk about the heretic. 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:45.279 So she's saying that James Halrico famously said he loves trans kids. 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:48.559 And Which is I would hope he does. 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:49.839 I don't think we're not gonna do it. 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:50.960 They keep going against this. 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:51.920 I hope we all do. 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:54.640 It keeps being said that it's like this was a negative about him. 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:56.799 That I'm like, do you not love anyone? 00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:04.880 Like, I aren't we supposed to love everyone, including and I think that what was his point is kind of saying specifically I you know to I love trans kids. 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:14.480 And now I I I'll disagree with James Taler on on a host of things, but saying you love trans kids is not the same as endorsing or forcing it upon people. 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:25.839 The the way the rhetoric during all of these and uh during all of these the the uh lead up the propaganda that was coming out was your kids are gonna go to school and teachers are going to trans your kids. 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:33.599 Like as if like teachers are getting their funding cut so much that like they can't buy their own pencils, they're not gonna go perform these surgeries. 00:20:33.839 --> 00:21:03.920 And factually, for the for the Tao Rico, for the for the um the uh especially like the transitioning kids thing, like it's for for him, this was a like basically it was a Republican attack strategy because he uh because he kind of went back and forth as to whether whether or not to classify uh parents who uh like uh parents who advocated for this for their for their kids, whether whether or not that was classified as abuse. 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:18.640 Like the fact that he kind of went back and forth as to whether or not to like call that legally abuse, his his his reticence to use that language was then used in these attack ads to say clearly this is like all the all this stuff. 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:23.519 And I'm just like, why why do we keep playing these games? 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:24.480 Oh my gosh. 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:25.359 But he's a heretic. 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:26.559 I want to hear why he's a heretic. 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:27.119 Oh, good. 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:27.599 Here we go. 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:36.960 And if you or anyone in your life believes the false gospel that James Tallerico both believes and preaches, then you're going to hell. 00:21:39.440 --> 00:21:40.720 You are going to hell. 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:41.200 All right. 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:42.640 Does she say what the false gospel is? 00:21:43.759 --> 00:21:45.440 James Tallerico is a universalist. 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:50.000 He has said on multiple occasions that he believes that all religions of love share the same potential truth. 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:53.759 He said that Jesus was a radical feminist campaign. 00:21:54.384 --> 00:21:57.025 is advertised with this idea of flipping tables. 00:21:57.200 --> 00:21:59.599 So Talarico has compared himself to Christ. 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:04.559 Reducing Christ to this

political progressive LGBTQ activist. 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:08.079 Now Jesus is God, Jesus is savior. 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:11.359 But James Halerico doesn't actually believe that. 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:16.799 He doesn't actually believe the gospel that Jesus himself preaches that the Bible teaches. 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:19.279 And so what would you say the gospel is? 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:31.920 So if you are applauding the furthering, the popularization of the institutionalization of a false gospel that if believed will send someone to hell, what are you doing? 00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:32.799 What are you doing? 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:33.680 What are you doing? 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:34.799 Yeah, what are you doing? 00:22:35.119 --> 00:22:35.519 What are you doing? 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:42.960 So I you know, I think Tish uh Tish Warren put out an article about this. 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:43.359 Oh, yeah. 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:49.519 Like uh about but like part of it is like I'm not uh uh uh okay. 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:53.839 Uh I'm gonna be careful about how I articulate what I'm about to articulate. 00:22:54.079 --> 00:22:56.799 Um just keep speaking and I'll just get this. 00:22:58.400 --> 00:22:59.680 Yeah, great. 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:02.160 Malcolm said. 00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:06.559 Oh, wait, that might be me, you cussing. 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:07.039 I don't know. 00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:10.240 Uh well, what do you think? 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:11.359 Okay, all right. 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:13.680 You think about what you and what restraint you need to say. 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:25.680 The I just think they they have this view of him that like they disagree with some policies and they've made it into his into that he is a a heretic. 00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:29.519 And we talked about this on other episodes of um what makes someone a heretic? 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:35.039 That's such like a uh this extreme claim for things that you might disagree with on on some uh things like this. 00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:40.799 Oh and the fact that he says that there like that um Christianity and Islam and Judaism share the same root. 00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:42.720 I'm like, well, there's like there's historical roots. 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:50.079 Abrahamic religions, there yeah, there's so that I think there are things that that was my sure I think hope charitable understanding of of him on this. 00:23:50.240 --> 00:23:54.319 Um now that we could if I I I don't know where he stands fully. 00:23:54.400 --> 00:24:00.559 I think uh he did make some connections on maybe some universalistic lean lean leaning things that I'll disagree on. 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:12.720 Also, am I gonna say that like like his message that we'll end with um and the way he goes about and holds himself is like so much worse than what we got from Trump? 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:14.480 Did you see Trump's interview with Ross Dalphit on Twitter? 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:15.039 Oh,

sure did. 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:15.359 Yeah, yeah. 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:17.839 And that like he's like, I cannot forgive my enemies. 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:21.440 I'm like, this is what we've been living under for the last 16 years. 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:27.039 Like, is it is is is Alibeth telling us that like we shouldn't vote for heretics? 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:31.680 Because Great Because I mean I I like I love that stance. 00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:37.680 Uh but like but that exposes many more people than I think she would than I think she would like. 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:56.720 Um so I just I just want to oh before we get to And there's a sense in which I also there but then uh but then also you know I don't I don't like that criterion because um there are there are Muslims, Jews, atheists, and others who can govern well. 00:24:57.680 --> 00:24:58.880 You didn't know you didn't hear about this though. 00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:03.279 What did the republic is over because Muslims are now in office? 00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:03.920 Dang it. 00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:06.160 This is from uh MAGA pastor Jack Hibbs. 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:07.200 Dang it. 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:10.880 The republic ended on Tuesday. 00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:20.559 It will prove to be a historic election because we the people decided to embrace no longer a constitutional republic. 00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:25.039 We the people embraced something that is unthinkable. 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:31.359 And to be honest with you, I would like in the spirit of the Bible, I would like to be like Nehemiah. 00:25:31.519 --> 00:25:40.000 I would like to find every Christian who didn't vote, grab them by the beard, throw them out into the street like Nehemiah did, and beat them up. 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:42.319 That's that's what Nehemiah did. 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:44.079 Like the cheering of the conversation. 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:46.400 Why? 00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:47.920 Well, I'm gonna show you why. 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:54.240 255 Muslims were elected to office in the United States of America on Tuesday. 00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:59.200 Ladies and gentlemen, those of you who didn't vote, you voted. 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:04.400 255 Muslims who cannot swear allegiance to the Constitution. 00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:06.480 It is forbidden in Islam. 00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:12.079 What they must swear allegiance to Sharia law, which is a completely different government. 00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:16.079 On Tuesday, the United States of America said no. 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:24.240 Again, I just feel like no one's charitable in their descriptions of people you might disagree with. 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:25.519 Oh dear. 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:29.119 That they cannot swear allegiance to the Constitution. 00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:32.480 You know, as Christians, there are things that I don't swear allegiance to. 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:37.440 I would say that we should have that as our ultimate allegiance,

as Jesus. 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:37.839 That's true. 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:45.359 And there are things you can say, like, and I will serve this this country, um, however it may be, or you serve this this church or your job or whatever. 00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:51.599 And again, this is not me saying I'm the you know the big Muslim fan, big you know, big Islam guy. 00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:53.680 Like that's that's my number one thing. 00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:57.920 But the fact that they can't serve at office does not make any sense to me. 00:26:58.240 --> 00:26:59.759 That's pretty wild. 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:06.960 You're saying I would rather Islamophobia I would rather Ken Paxton corruption over someone here. 00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:11.279 This is like uh uh what was the guy, the the senator uh Mormon guy? 00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:13.119 Um uh Romney. 00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:13.839 Romney. 00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:23.920 Again, we would disagree with him, but he was pretty upstanding um dude that you I think did I I I'm not gonna be a big Romney guy. 00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:25.279 I'm not saying I'm advocating for everything. 00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:39.519 No, but I mean this is the kind of fact, this is the kind of anti-Catholic sentiment that JFK had to deal with um when when everybody made the argument, it's like, no, we can't let we can't let Catholics, we can't let Catholics in the government because their allegiance is primarily to the Pope. 00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:40.880 And it's like it's it's all this. 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:42.160 Abdul quoted that. 00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:42.720 It's that kind of. 00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:44.160 Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure he did. 00:27:44.240 --> 00:28:13.039 Because this is a I mean when when the clan was re was reborn in the early 20th century in its most popular instantiation where there were millions of clan members across the country, um they one of the primary elements of their identity was that was that the United States should be a Protestant, native-born white nation. 00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:15.599 And that's what made it so popular. 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:31.839 Like those I like those ideas that fundamental to even this nation's identity is a particular kind of Protestantism, a particular kind of cultural whiteness, and uh um, and whatever it means to be quote unquote native. 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:36.720 When they say native born, they don't actually mean like indigenous people. 00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:37.039 Right. 00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:52.559 Um and so like, but that I mean, you there's a there's a great uh great book called Um, I think it's called the Gospel, The Gospel According to the Clan, um, that tells this, that tells this, um, that tells this story. 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.160 Um the tells the story of this of this history. 00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:58.640 But you know, it's something for us to be sensitive to. 00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:01.839 All this all this rhetoric is not is not new. 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:02.319 Yeah. 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:03.680 It's not new. 00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:08.079 And I just think just to contrast what we've heard, like the it's the end of the republic. 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:14.240 Um, you this person's gonna, you know, we're we're tearing down the fabric of society and in America. 00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:17.359 Um we're going to we're heretics going to hell. 00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:18.640 Like, all of this. 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:22.160 And then you hear this acceptance speech from James Tallerico. 00:29:25.859 --> 00:29:42.180 Hate can't build a but what hate can't do love can't love cutting out love love can turn a student into a scholar. 00:29:42.579 --> 00:29:44.900 Love it. 00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:46.980 Love 00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:53.920 Sorry, people, technical difficulties. 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:04.079 Anyway. 00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:05.440 You can go check out. 00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:06.400 We'll we'll put the link there. 00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:12.240 But you just you hear him saying, hate can't teach a child to read, hate can't build a future, but what hate can't do, love can. 00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:18.640 Love can turn a student into a scholar, love can turn a closet into a nursery, and we didn't win this race by alienating our neighbors. 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:25.440 I I think what he is doing in uh along these banners everywhere uh is saying love thy neighbor. 00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:35.359 Um it's it gives me I want to be careful because um I don't want this to be like, uh, now we have a bright future. 00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:36.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:55.680 But I just think like this is a a politic that I can say is is is uh one that I'm much uh happier getting behind than the consistent politics of hating each other and of devaluing when he was asked about you know his his opponent, Ken Paxton, he says he's a child of God. 00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:58.799 When he's asked about you know Trump, he's like, Oh, I think I could work with him. 00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:00.880 I think he's he's been a great new businessman. 00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:08.640 Like he's he consistently looks to to embody that that that love thy neighbor, which is one of the two greatest commandments. 00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:16.720 So if people keep throwing you know slurs towards him and he keeps doing that, I think it's going to win people over, hopefully, um slowly. 00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:21.279 Um but also hopefully it'll change our our way of of interacting here. 00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:26.720 So uh some shocking things going on around um these these last couple parts. 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:31.359 But you know, we're not here to discuss just terrible tweets, Malcolm. 00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:31.920 I know, I know. 00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:34.400 You're finally ready for the most important part. 00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:35.680 What are you laughing at? 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:43.359 No, I'm I'm I'm just

thinking back to the whole the like the really inflammatory comment of transing your kids. 00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:45.039 I'm just I'm just like I like. 00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:48.559 I'm sorry. 00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:49.440 I'm sorry. 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:50.720 We can keep going there. 00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:51.680 No, no, no. 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:52.640 My kid went to school. 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:53.680 I want to talk about Jesus. 00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:57.039 Let's talk about Jesus, please. 00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:08.400 Alright, so before we talk about Jesus. 00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:09.440 Oh no. 00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:11.039 Oh, what else? 00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:12.160 What else, Slim? 00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:13.920 What else? 00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:15.359 You made me think about it. 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:16.720 Okay, what, Slim? 00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:22.640 Did you see how that thing backfired on uh the those flyers that went around uh the state of Texas? 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:23.759 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:24.240 Yeah. 00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:36.640 And it was it was proven that it was uh written by uh it was the these these Texas trans and LGTQ student resource guides, and it was proven it was written by Republican Women's Group. 00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:38.799 This fake flyer that went around. 00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:55.039 And I I I can attest, my my kids, they've never talked about trans before, but because there's so many ads on TVs and during college football, they're like, they seem to be thinking stuff's happening at school, and so then they're asking about trans stuff. 00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:56.559 They're like, is this a problem? 00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:00.720 The Republicans have brought it up to be a problem. 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:01.920 Like, wow. 00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:02.960 Isn't that wild? 00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:03.839 My goodness. 00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:04.400 Uh all right. 00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:06.799 Well, let's talk about healthier things. 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:13.920 Great, the Nicene Creed, yay! Yay, uh, so we we've gone uh decent way through now. 00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:31.599 Uh we believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible, in the one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, begotten from the Father before all ages, God from God, light from light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of the same essence as the Father, through him all things were made. 00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:33.039 That's where that's where we've been. 00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:49.920 But for for today, we read For us and for our salvation, he came down from heaven, he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, was made human, he was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, he suffered and was buried. 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:51.440 We're gonna stop there. 00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:52.720 Ooh, okay, that's a lot. 00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:58.720 Uh and his death uh as our our focus here today. 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:05.599 So, Malcolm, uh, we're finally at the passage where I think the beginning of this, we said, what's the one line in here that you look forward to? 00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:08.320 And uh that for us and our salvation. 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:12.719 Remind me why this is uh one of your favorite lines. 00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:20.559 Um so I love that line specifically because I mean, and there are a few ways to there are a few ways to interpret it. 00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:24.320 So uh so is this for us and for us and for our salvation. 00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:29.599 Um uh he came came down came down from the heavens and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary. 00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:33.840 Uh you could see, I don't I'm just looking at the for us and for our salvation part. 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:41.199 You could see the for our salvation part as just a specification of what it means that he did this for us. 00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:47.119 Um I see it actually as uh as distinct. 00:34:47.280 --> 00:35:01.679 So basically it's saying saying two things, like he does it for us and he does it for our salvation because um because I and this is and this is and this is the question that I was this so this is my one of my, I guess I'll say controversial theological opinions. 00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:02.000 Uh oh. 00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:04.559 Um is this the uh the stump question? 00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:05.119 Yes. 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.840 So the the question did not mean to do that. 00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:08.960 This is a question. 00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:19.760 There there have been a few debates in Christian history along these along these lines, but the question is, if Adam had not fallen, would the sun have would the sun have taken on flesh? 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:34.800 And it's one of these questions that like it's one of these questions that you can't that you can't answer, but it does but it does reveal what some of your base theological assumptions are. 00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:52.320 So um my so my thing is if you say that if Adam had not fallen, then the son would not have become incarnate, um you I I think you run the risk of framing the incarnation primarily as a response. 00:35:53.360 --> 00:36:03.599 So um so so so the Lord does this like basically we sin and then the Lord kind of figures this out as a um as a response to this thing that we did. 00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:09.760 Let's go into the uh oh what's that now I'm thinking on the fly, which sucks. 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:18.559 Um the what's the fancy theological words of uh Yeah, it's a this is this is infralapsarianism versus super super superlapsarianism. 00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:18.800 Yeah. 00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:20.000 So this is which one's which? 00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:22.320 So uh super so okay, oh my gosh. 00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:25.599 You you keep talking, you keep talking all the time. 00:36:26.239 -->

00:36:26.639 You'll look it up. 00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:28.239 I'll I'll remember it at some point. 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:35.840 Um and like, and so like there are many good arguments for saying that the incarnation is a response. 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:44.960 A lot of the ways that the scriptures uh refer to why Christ dies and why Christ takes on flesh is specifically to save us from uh is to save us from sin. 00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:45.840 Get that. 00:36:46.079 --> 00:37:30.559 Um but there are also a number of theologians in the history of the church who are dissatisfied with that because um, and and and one of and my favorite theologian is one of them, uh Maximus the Confessor, because when Maximus reads texts like Colossians 1 and reads things like the entirety of creation was made for Christ, um one the place that he takes that and a few others do too is that is that even if Adam hadn't fallen, Christ, the the Son of God still would have still still would have done this because it's not just Christ does not just take the the Son does not just take on flesh in order to save us. 00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:31.840 He does, he does do that. 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:40.000 But the whole purpose was also to kind of complete what what what what was his plan for humanity from the very beginning. 00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:46.639 So when when God created us, he he created us in order to be able to participate with him in the in the divine life. 00:37:46.800 --> 00:38:11.440 Uh Irenaeus, one of the one of the one of the church fathers of the of the second century, um and and and others will say this too, is that like if Adam had like if Adam had done his job, uh humanity would have uh there there there there are I don't want to uh frame this without without uh quoting it directly. 00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:22.639 Um just that there there was a there was a job that Adam was called to do that had he had he done it, he would have been, you know, he would have he would have been shaped into Christ-likeness. 00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:24.000 Um but he didn't. 00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:37.280 And so and so and so even that uh the language that Paul uses of of first and second of first and second Adam, um like these are these are proper representatives of uh of humanity. 00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:54.719 But one of the things that I that I think that this this opens up a horizon is that Christ's intention is was not just to remedy a particular situation, it was to usher us into future glory. 00:38:54.960 --> 00:39:06.639 And and and and now and that was always God's that was always God's intention, not just to solve a problem that we created, yeah, but to but to actually fulfill what was his goal from the very from the very beginning. 00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:19.760 And so, um, and so so so so so he comes so he comes down, is in is incarnate of the of the Holy Spirit and the virgin and the virgin Mary, just an affirmation of the virgin uh of the virgin birth, and became man. 00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:24.480 So that's so that's that's that's interesting because those are there are two different words. 00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:28.960 So to be incarnate, that word is to be basically enfleshed. 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:29.280 Yeah. 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.559 Um, and he gets that flesh from his mother. 00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:47.519 Um but that but but say that he became man is that he is uh in man, the the the uh one one could uh um one can refer to so like even that word incarnation, uh the word carnate means flesh. 00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:52.239 Or I mean in uh um uh in Spanish it's it's it's like meat. 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:56.239 It's like you're you're the in meetment of God. 00:39:57.760 --> 00:39:58.000 Exactly. 00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:04.880 Um but it's the it's that same, it's that it's that same root that that that that Christ's flesh was real flesh. 00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:15.360 So this is so this is also why it's really important that it goes on to say um that he was that he that he was crucified for us, that he actually did suffer, and that he actually was that he actually was buried. 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:32.480 These are these are anti-anti-docetist statements where docetism is this is this is this heresy that that the Son of God only appeared to be human, um, that he appeared to die, but didn't but didn't actually die. 00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:59.360 This is this is like um so the way that Islam frames the crucifixion of uh of Christ, Islam holds holds holds Christ as a as a prophet, but um, but a prophet of God would never die by crucifixion, because that's not like that's just like the shame of that kind of of that kind of execution and stuff, the Lord would never have one of his prophets kind of undergo undergo that undergo that kind of thing, according to that. 00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:07.119 Um but for us, that's that's like this it's the very center of our faith that no, like the Son of God did actually die a human death. 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:12.639 Um and it and he actually did suffer, and he actually was and he actually was was buried. 00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:22.400 That's the all of that is very the it's these are these really material ways that the Lord acted out his love, his his love for us. 00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:26.960 Yeah, um, so it's really really important for us to for us to affirm. 00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:31.599 Uh you wanna you wanna hear the the infra supra lapsarian? 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:35.119 Uh because there are actually two forms of infra and supra lapsarianism. 00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:37.440 They're two different anyway, but yeah. 00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:43.119 So it's the the decree of election and reprobation or the decree to create the world and permit the fall. 00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:59.039 Super lapsenary supralapsarianism, supra meaning above or before, and lapsa meaning fall, um, is the position which holds that God's decree to save is logically prior to his decree to create the

world and permit the fall. 00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:07.760 Infralapsarianism, on the other hand, insists that God's decree to save is logically after his decrees related to creation and the fall. 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:09.760 Infra meaning below or after. 00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:15.679 Um so both positions are well attested, uh, though infra-lapsarian would be more calm. 00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:17.199 Is the majority, yeah. 00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:45.119 Um, and so would you but this also feels like this this uh isolates it to that like this doesn't seem to be answering your question of like it's a different, it's a different well so like the the uh and the question about the the question about the incarnation that debate also goes under that um uh because like it's it's about this is the whole thing, like it's about like the logical order of God's decrees, which is largely a reform. 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:46.480 Like that's a reformed conversation. 00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:48.880 That's a reformed conversation. 00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:50.559 Very reformed. 00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:55.760 Which is what I'm talking about is not a reformed conversation, but like the the reformers, yeah, sure. 00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:58.320 I'm thankful for some reformations, sure, sure, sure. 00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:14.159 Yeah, um, but uh, but yeah, but this is what I'm so there's a that's that's that, but there is a there's also infralapsarianism and super lapsarianism in in Christology, which is what I'm talking about here. 00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:23.679 So a a superlapsarian Christology has been um has been summarized by many as saying incarnation anyway. 00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:30.960 Basically, regardless of what we regardless of what we've done, the son of God would have would have become incarnate anyway. 00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:38.239 I and I am uh I am deeply sympathetic to that, to that, to that view. 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:42.880 I don't think the incarn I don't think the incarn I don't think the incarnation is contingent upon sin. 00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:43.199 Yeah. 00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:54.880 Um I think it I think this is the the extent to which this is a cosmic expression of God's love for us, I think he would have done it anyway. 00:43:55.039 --> 00:44:08.320 Like there's not like there is no there's a paragraph from um From Maximus Confessor, that I was that I'm thinking about because it's it's is a significant part of this of this book that I'm writing right now that's kind of reflecting on this. 00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:32.880 But there are a number of Christian theologians that like when they really considered how crazy the incarnation is, and also uh in Colossians and talk when when Paul talked about how like everything is for Christ, they're like, oh, like this is actually like what happens in the incarnation and the life and death and resurrection and resurrection of Christ is actually like the axis on which the universe turns. 00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:39.760

Like like like like the world, once that happens, like the world is actually changed. 00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:54.239 Like, like the like it even like when because uh the the the the way that um the way that Maximus frames it, there's there's a uh there's a text uh uh in Ephesians when when Paul says that the that that the end of the ages has come. 00:44:54.400 --> 00:45:08.320 And the way that and the way that Maximus frames it is like Yeah, like the like eternity is is is can be can be can be summarized as like these two these two sets of ages. 00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:20.800 There are the there are the ages of preparation for the Son of God to take on to take on humanity, and then there are the ages for for for for humanity to be to be brought back to God. 00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:30.320 And what you see, especially in the old, like from the old testament up to the incarnation, you see like the preparation of the universe for the son of God to take on humanity. 00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:36.400 And now, now that he's done it, he has also he he has also reminded us of what our actual destiny is. 00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:47.199 And so now so now that we're in the age of the church where the Holy Spirit has been given to us and our and our future has been presented to us, now that's what time, that's what time is for. 00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:56.320 Um, like that that complete reframing of what reality is, like that's what happens in the incarnation at the cross. 00:45:56.400 --> 00:46:04.159 Um, it's not just this thing that happens because we caused a problem and like now because everything revolves around us and what we do, like that's that's why. 00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:16.800 No, it's like this when you zoom, like the fact there are some of these the some of these theologians who in taking all the scriptures together can do this like this this this zooming, this zooming out. 00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:22.880 When you zoom out and see and and and are able to see this entire picture, um it's it's wild. 00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:23.440 It's crazy. 00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:24.559 Anyway, sorry. 00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:25.280 Sorry. 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:27.840 This is uh it seems like it's really exciting to me. 00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:29.440 It's just really exciting to me. 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.559 Well, for us and our salvation, I do like the the distinction and the separating of that. 00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:45.920 I think that that does convey uh you know a warmth and a heart that Jesus is came to earth for us um because he desp he deeply loves us, yeah, and for our salvation. 00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:49.280 Um and I think the the first part we've we've we've hit. 00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:58.559 Um the other part for our salvation, I think it conveys that you know something important that you know Christianity is not just this you know uh self-improvement program. 00:46:58.639 --> 00:46:58.960 Yeah. 00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:03.599 Um it you know Jesus didn't come to make us slightly better versions of ourselves. 00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:08.400 Um, he came to rescue us from something that we could not rescue ourselves from. 00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:15.199 And so he came for our salvation to to save us, not to make us saveable, but to save us. 00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:17.440 Um I think this whole thing is important. 00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:24.719 You see, you know, God is initiating, he's not standing at a distance, he's not waiting for us to get our act together, he he moves towards us. 00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:34.800 Um and I think that's that's an important part of this this this creed um that may sometimes get uh un you know not too much emphasis, you know, ink spilt on. 00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:39.039 But um the incarnation, there Jesus became human. 00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:44.480 Um the one through whom all things were made entered into the world he made. 00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:45.679 And I think I like how C. 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:45.840 S. 00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:56.079 Lewis talks about this like you know, like a creator entering his own creation, or like an author like Shakespeare entering the play he wrote, um, except now it's infinitely more significant. 00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:04.880 Um God doesn't just know about human suffering from a distance, yeah, Jesus enters it and experiences it. 00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:10.960 And I think that is so incredibly important for us as we go through our incredibly important. 00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:13.199 And we're going, Where are you, Lord? 00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:16.960 And we can go, well, Jesus also cried out on the cross, where are you? 00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:20.480 You know, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? 00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:28.639 Like we we can we can know that we are not in those pain in the in those those moments alone, that Jesus has experienced this as well. 00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:30.960 I think that that is it is critical. 00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:38.480 So I think going into why is the incarnation you know, we we asked the question last time, why did why did Jesus have to be fully God? 00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:42.400 Yeah and we said you said because he that's the only way he could save us from our sins. 00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:42.719 Yeah. 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:44.079 Um for God to be fully God. 00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:45.360 Why does he have to be fully man? 00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:46.639 What would you say? 00:48:47.199 --> 00:49:03.039 I would say uh because um I mean there there is a sense in which our salvation, at least the way that we're I mean, the way that we're told, because the I mean, we believe it works this way because God told us that it works this way. 00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:11.920 Um that this but because like cause the cu 'cause this is the other thing. 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:22.480 I mean, there there is a long tradition of of theological argument about why why Christ had to be human. 00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:45.119 But what I think one

of the things that I think happens in the in the incarnation is that it is revealed to us that as much as we think about the infinite distance between God and humanity, what we see in Christ is that that's not that's not the way that God wanted it to be. 00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:58.400 And also it also it also shows us that that that God and humanity are not in are not incompatible. 00:49:59.920 --> 00:50:15.760 Because uh, and this was and this was something that the church had to the church had to hammer this out for centuries, um, because that specific assumption that like God and humanity are so are so different, so different, so different, so different. 00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:16.159 Yeah. 00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:23.280 Um Christians recognized like, yes, that's true, but you take that too far and you deny the incarnation. 00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:23.519 Yeah. 00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:29.920 Because what we are saying in the incarnation is that divinity and humanity have come together in one in one person. 00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:42.320 Um, and also that actually what that what that also indicates to us is that God is actually calling us to a relationship with Himself that is also closer than anything that we could ever imagine. 00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:53.440 And the more we the more we emphasize, there are ways in which the more we emphasize that distance, the more we deny, uh, the more we deny what it is that the Lord has called us to. 00:50:53.599 --> 00:51:00.880 I'm gonna do this in the book, but there's a great uh in in the um in the show Vision Quest, uh, because I love Marvel. 00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:05.039 Um so it's sticky because Vision, yes, as in Marvel. 00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:05.840 Yeah, yeah. 00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:13.360 There is a uh there's a quote that uh that a past version of Vision says the current version of Vision. 00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:15.679 That's that's not too much of a spoiler. 00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:28.400 Uh but he has this line where he says, uh, you have placed me on a pedestal so impossibly high and not to honor me, but to spare yourself the effort of the climb. 00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:31.360 I said one more time. 00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:38.960 You you have placed me on a pedestal so impossibly high and not to honor me, but to spare yourself the effort of the climb. 00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:42.639 And I heard that, and I wasn't thinking in the context of the show. 00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:47.119 I mean, there's it's a powerful, first of all, this the show is brilliantly written. 00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:54.000 But but I thought about that in the in the context of my own Christology. 00:51:55.199 --> 00:52:03.519 Because some of us, when we see it, it's it's like the way we think about the um, it's like I think about that in the way that people think about the Sermon on the Mount. 00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:06.159 They put it on this pedestal that's so impossibly high. 00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:06.400 Yeah. 00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:12.960 But not as a point of honor, just as a point to avoid the kind of effort that would be necessary to think about what it actually looks like to live that way. 00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:28.159 And and and and one of the and one of the one of the re one of the reasons for the incarnation, and also why like he does that, it's it's also why he says in um in John 15, like, I I have to leave so that I can send the Holy Spirit. 00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:41.119 Like all like even his life and death and resurrection is also is also prep work for a for a for an intimacy that God is good that God would be able to have with his people following that. 00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:56.800 And so there is this, like I at least one of the things that I want to do is like I want to place that before the people of God so that they recognize how how far the Lord, like how far the Lord actually wants to take, like how far the Lord actually wants to take them. 00:52:57.199 --> 00:53:04.079 Um and it's in the incarnation that it's actually revealed to us, oh, wait a minute, like humanity can look like that? 00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:09.039 To which Jesus is like, yes, like this is the way humanity was supposed to look like in the first place. 00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:12.159 Um and so that so so that's the other thing. 00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:16.559 He had to, he had to become human to show us what humanity actually is. 00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:17.039 Yeah. 00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:23.360 Um, and so, and so when we look at Jesus, we're not looking at an at an exception, we're looking at the archetype. 00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:26.079 Yeah, like we're looking at what it at what it was supposed to be. 00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:30.000 And we're looking at when actually like when we see Christ, we're looking at our future. 00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:32.159 We're also looking at what we're supposed to be. 00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:41.679 And so when we look at the apostles, like afterwards, after Jesus, when Jesus is leaving, he's like, Yeah, you know, the stuff you saw me doing, you're gonna be able to do greater stuff. 00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:42.159 Yeah. 00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:48.159 Because he's like, I I well, I came so that you can be human in it, like in like actually so. 00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:48.559 Yeah. 00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:54.800 Um listen, the the two Adams uh argument of you know, Adam, the first Adam fell, and the second Adam is in Christ. 00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:55.119 Yeah. 00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:00.400 Yeah. 00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:03.760 That we are that second Adam of what we what it humanity was supposed to be. 00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:05.440 Yeah, Christ is Christ is the second Adam. 00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:14.320 And we and and and and and in our and in our union with him, we get to like we get to be human, like truly, truly human. 00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:14.639 Yeah. 00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:22.800 Um and and obviously, you know, there are there are there are elements of this that

we that we await when we as as we await the redemption of our bodies. 00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:36.239 Um, but like, but the goal is like basically humanity was always meant to be like we were all meant to be sons of sons of God by grace. 00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:43.039 Um to share in the in to share in the uh inherited blessings of God. 00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:56.880 And this is this is this is what we're told in uh uh in Romans 8, that that that that that the Spirit of God confesses with our with our spirit that we're that we're children of God and if we are children, then we are also heirs, heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ. 00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:01.199 If indeed we suffer with Christ, so that we might also be glorified together together with him. 00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:04.639 It's a beautiful, mind-blowing passage. 00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:09.519 I want people to be reminded of what it is that God created them for and who and who they actually are. 00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:12.000 We're heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ. 00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:14.000 Woo! It's awesome. 00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:15.199 It's awesome. 00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:24.480 Things would be very different if Jesus was not incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, but by Joseph and Mary. 00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:26.800 So what is that is that the emphasis here? 00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:30.159 Uh he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary. 00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:33.840 Yeah, because uh yeah, because he doesn't have a he doesn't have a human father. 00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:38.480 The the as a matter of fact, I mean he only has one father, the father. 00:55:38.639 --> 00:56:26.639 Um and and it's uh yeah, and this is just I mean, this is just flat out kind of just what the what the scriptures what the scriptures say, but it is also um but it also draws a draws attention to the fact that um uh you know there's a there are similarities between Adam's quote unquote birth and Christ and Christ and Christ's birth in the sense that both are both both both are both are miraculous acts of God um and and and in so doing like like like this is the other thing like what happens in Christ's birth is also to a certain extent a recreation of humanity like that's like that's what's that's what's going on. 00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:47.280 Um to go back to the first Adam Second Second Adam language when when we affirm the virgin birth, what we're also affirming is that like there is a new there, and this is a Maximus the Confessor quote too, that in Christianity what we see is a new way of being, a new way of being human, a way of being human that we haven't that we hadn't seen before. 00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:54.320 But but this new way was also the oldest, like the intended oldest way. 00:56:55.679 --> 00:57:02.159 The second Adam is is second is is both second in time, but also first. 00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:05.039 It's great. 00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:05.840 It's so good. 00:57:06.000

--> 00:57:06.719 Oh, it's so good. 00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:16.400 And I think I think as Christians, we want to we want, and I think in in good motivations, share a rational view of our faith. 00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:16.960 Sure. 00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:21.920 That that it is that is it is good, it is right, we're not uh we're not irrational. 00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:32.159 Um but there are things that we need to uh r truly reconcile uh or or um affirm, and that is the virgin birth. 00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:34.719 That is something that it does not make sense. 00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:50.159 And the f if Jesus can come and and incarnate through a virgin Mary, and this is what all the the the scriptures say, so we believe it, then he can blow any box in any any category we might have. 00:57:50.239 --> 00:58:12.400 And so I feel like we always have to have this humble pose uh posture towards the text to say, uh I I had an idea of what this meant, and I have an idea of who God is, but you consistently blow up my box, and so I want to always, always uh bow before the text and you know let it teach me rather than me try to you know work the text to say what I want to say. 00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:22.480 Also impaired impaired with that, and this is I think uh fruit of the enlightenment, but but not just the enlightenment, it's also a fruit of of of scholastic theology. 00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:32.639 Um this understanding of that that uh of kind of uh faith-seeking understanding as this kind of fundamental orientation of our faith. 00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:38.480 Like but God is but there is also a profound sense in which God is mystery. 00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:38.880 Yeah. 00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:44.000 And like and like there are things about God that you will not understand. 00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:53.599 There are things there like God is our relationship with God is not just one of growing kind of understanding. 00:58:53.840 --> 00:59:11.199 There is a there is a there is a there is a joy as well as kind of a trepidation of just be of just being in the just being in the presence of this God and being at least the call is to be kind of mystically united with this with this with this God. 00:59:12.159 --> 00:59:19.840 Like there are things that there are things that you're not gonna understand, and like you're just gonna like there's a sense in which you're just gonna have to be okay with that. 00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:31.119 Like we and and we and this and this is one of the things that creates, I think, many of our pastoral issues, even over the course of our lives, because like things happen and we just don't know why, and that makes us mad. 00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:34.960 And such as dogs, just like dogs attacking us. 00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:40.079 Um, and then we like demand of the Lord that he explain to us why. 00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:41.440 And we're like, what what? 00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:46.719 Like, there's a it's a little bit of hubris on our part that we assume that we need to know everything. 00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:55.199 And and and it's like it's like when or something happens to us and we come to the conclusion that God doesn't love us. 00:59:55.760 --> 00:59:58.960 And I'm like, I under I get it, I get it. 00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:04.480 Our like our feelings can be very strong and also very deceptive. 01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:17.760 One of the things that at least especially from this part of the creed, it's important for us to remember, is that if you ever question God's love for you, consider this. 01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:34.880 Consider the fact that the God of the universe took on flesh, made himself, not only made himself susceptible to suffering, but that he actually did suffer, that he humbled himself, became obedient to the point of death, and even death on a cross. 01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:35.760 I've done this before. 01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:49.679 But that, but that like the fact that he did all of those things, if the Son of God did nothing else for you for the rest of your life, he has done more than you could ever ask or think. 01:00:50.400 --> 01:01:01.280 And so, like, it's it's it's why my favorite uh Nicholas Kapasillas constantly tells us to fill our minds with the meditation of Christ. 01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:19.039 Because, because, because if you if you fill if you fill your mind with that understanding of the God who loves you, that that will then be the love and the mercy that you can extend to your neighbor because that because you have been so overwhelmed by by by what it is that God has done for you. 01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:26.719 That will also then give you the stamina to be able to go through whatever whatever spiritual attacks you will you will undergo over the course of your life. 01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:40.000 If you understand that the one who stands at your side is the one who lived, died, was raised, and now stands at the right hand of the Father for you, you will be able to go through whatever it is that the demons throw at you. 01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:46.400 Um, and that's the only way that you're gonna be able to go go go go go through whatever whatever is thrown at you. 01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:50.400 Now it's it's not the perpetual Virgin Mary. 01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:51.920 Right. 01:01:56.239 --> 01:02:01.440 There are them saying that, but Jesus did have a brother, James, and others. 01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:09.840 Like I would she was looking at them with the not brothers when brothers and sisters would disagree. 01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:11.920 Uh you know. 01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:15.679 I that's another we can have that we can have that conversation another time. 01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:18.800 Oh goodness. 01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:24.960 Maybe I would say they're not blood brothers. 01:02:26.800 --> 01:02:29.599 They may be Joseph's uh Joseph's for Joseph's children's. 01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:36.559 But uh, you know, yeah, that's what I'm hoping to make fun of some

Catholics on here. 01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:38.079 Sorry. 01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:41.119 I mean, not really, but I disagree with that point. 01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:42.159 I mean that's fine. 01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:48.000 But Calvin Calvin believed in the in the perpetual virginity of Mary, as did as did Luther. 01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:50.559 Um so it's not just a man. 01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:51.599 It's a straw man. 01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:54.880 You know, I'm just uh you know, I'm just future. 01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:56.000 I mean, you can disagree. 01:02:56.079 --> 01:03:03.360 Like there are a lot of Protestants, like Protestants, but whether Mary and Joseph ever got married. 01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:04.400 They didn't get married. 01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:05.679 No, that's part of it. 01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:06.239 That's part of it. 01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:11.199 Um moving on. 01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:14.639 Because I don't know where to get over it. 01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:15.119 It's okay. 01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:15.920 It's fine, it's fine. 01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:18.719 He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate. 01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:24.639 Um, it's funny that you know Mary's a physical, you know, is a historical figure, but maybe not as well known. 01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:26.880 I mean, obviously now, well well known. 01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:30.480 But at that time, Pontius Pilate would have been extraordinarily well known. 01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:40.559 And so the fact that in the creed they put four uh or he was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, I think that was in there to root this in one, like this is reality. 01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:44.559 This is not just you know uh this this magical thing happened. 01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:55.280 Um it's it's to root it in that you know you had this Roman governor, uh Jesus was uh publicly crucified under under a very particular empire in a particular moment in history. 01:03:55.440 --> 01:04:10.880 Um and so it reminds us that crucifixion uh is this you know this public method of execution, uh, where you have the the state and Roman terror um and hum humiliation uh that it are um putting it out there for everyone to see. 01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:18.559 This is what happens to people like you, and anyone who's a threat to Rome and to the the state's way of doing things, Jesus was executed by the state. 01:04:18.639 --> 01:04:19.599 And so this is important. 01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:22.639 Okay, so and here's here's here's here's the thing about this. 01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:39.039 Like it's this thing that like if you're a Christian, like you know that you're saying this, but like the you the Pontius Pilot point of of like this actually happened, like in human, like in human history, like this is a thing that actually happened. 01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:49.679 Yeah like that, like you read all this stuff about whether it's Greek mythology or other forms of mythology where they're like this happened in like the distant past or whatever. 01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:52.559 But like people are like, I mean, it probably didn't actually happen, happen. 01:04:52.800 --> 01:05:04.320 But like this, like that that's the other thing, particularly about our faith, is that we're saying like this stuff happen, like you can even the way that Paul talked about the resurrection, he's like, you can like you can talk to people, like they saw go to this person, other people saw Jesus. 01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:06.159 Like that, like that, like that's the other thing. 01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:16.480 It's it's it's just like I don't know why, particularly in this moment, just even just the very base statement that like no, like this stuff happened. 01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:29.599 Like we don't it's it's it's also why I think it uh I guess it frustrates me that kind of when we think about the Christian faith as just this thing that we believe blindly and that's what the life is about. 01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:34.880 No, no, no, like it's rooted in action because these are things that Jesus actually did. 01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:47.920 Like these are these these are not like it the the the Christian life is not a life that's just kind of lived in your mind because Jesus didn't save us hypothetically or save us just with what he thought and what he taught. 01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:51.519 Like he saved us by doing very material things. 01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:51.760 Yeah. 01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:58.800 And when we and when we act out the life in Christ, we are we are doing material things because that's the way that our God operates. 01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:02.320 He doesn't just operate through story or just through inspiration or whatever. 01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:03.679 Like he did stuff. 01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:06.239 And the people who follow him do stuff. 01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:06.880 Like that. 01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:18.960 Like that just like at a at a very base at a very base level, the more that the more that we kind of turn the more that we have the temptation to kind of turn the faith into just this thing that we think. 01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:29.440 In so doing, we do a disservice to the fact that that that that that the Lord didn't just like wave a wand to save us. 01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:31.119 Like he took on human flesh. 01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:32.400 He took on flesh. 01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:35.920 He lived an actual full human life. 01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:37.119 He talked to people. 01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:40.639 He touched people like that the he the he he loved people. 01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:43.199 Like that like that's what love that's what love is. 01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:52.960 And so um and it's why the it's why the apostles press love as a love as a material commitment because that's the way that that's that's the way that God has loved us. 01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:59.360 And so that so that even just that historical framing in the creed is a is a reminder. 01:06:59.440 -->

01:07:10.480 It's it's anti docetist yes but it's also just like it's just it's the people of God saying look this stuff really happened and so it really affects the way that we live. 01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:11.679 Yeah. 01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:12.400 Yeah. 01:07:13.599 --> 01:07:16.960 And then he suffered and he was buried. 01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:40.320 And so I think it's and for at least for I know this is all one big long creed but for our section here to to end with that um r reminding the end of his life um was was this you know scary moment and and you know horrific and ugly moment where the author enters the story and the characters in the story kill the author. 01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:57.119 Like he suffered, that he was whipped, that he was you know had the crown of thorns, he was spit upon, he was you know nailed to the cross where he had to bleed out and and and and um suffocate um and have people hurl insults at him and he's like the suffer part that's huge. 01:07:57.599 --> 01:08:07.360 But then also he was buried to be very clear of you know we believe he actually died and this is not a hoax of what's about to happen when we next time get to talk about his resurrection. 01:08:08.320 --> 01:08:18.239 But to I I I always end this um the conversation on the Nicene Creed and these parts of asking you know why does any of this matter today? 01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:26.960 Because sometimes when we look at you know theology and we go like oh that's interesting that you know we can have these cool infralapsarian super lapserism docetism you know conversations. 01:08:27.119 --> 01:08:34.640 But I think you've already hit it a hundred times um but I think it's what we began with was that this is for us and our salvation. 01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:41.439 The overwhelming love of Christ is very much present in this particular section here. 01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:45.439 The eternal Son of God came down for us and for our salvation. 01:08:45.520 --> 01:09:00.159 He became human was crucified suffered and was buried and I think this is what we need to to be reminded of and what as a compass for all the churches we don't need to win the culture war to have a savior. 01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:04.560 No we have one and he was crucified under Pontius Pilate. 01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:14.239 He's so great and and even to my even to my MAGA Republican friends who might be feeling discouraged like the world is crumbling down. 01:09:14.399 --> 01:09:23.119 You know there was time when people thought it was the end of the end of the story when Jesus was crucified and buried I I think to encourage us all that there there is still hope. 01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:27.119 We still have a a Lord who's sitting on his throne who's interceding for us even now. 01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:33.520 Oh I thought that was going differently I thought you said uh Republicans can still win in two years movie so it's okay. 01:09:33.760 --> 01:10:38.479 I mean they might still hope don't don't blow it what a way wow I went from like meaningful hopeful screw it just jam it out hey if you found any of the please uh rate review share the episode um I've been encouraging folks to have more conversations cross conversations with people they may or may not agree with online's very gracious and maybe you should uh share one of these with them to to start a conversation um we'd love for the the these opportunities to for people to hear things from a different angle uh and maybe this could be a way for that but uh we're glad you're you're tuning in with us every single week every other week however often whenever we do this podcast but uh thank y'all appreciate you guys we will see you guys in probably two weeks bye