Full Transcript for The Panel with Simon Wilson and Wilhelmina Shrimpton: Ikea, social media ban

speeches. To talk yet, but anyway, if you are at a loss of things to do at the beautiful Holy Trinity in an Auckland and Parnell with the north Shore Brows hosted by Erica, and I'm creating a couple of numbers, but the brass band are amazing. Forget me forget Erica the Brass Band are phenomenal, so get along, and said, if you want to touch a Christmas, which I must say in rehearsals, so you suddenly get into the Christmas spirit again a bit. And it's been really lovely. So anyway, my first guest, look, look, if inzied Me had a Santa Claus, it could possibly be. 00:03:38 Speaker 6: Compossibly, he was wondering how I was gonna in anyway, if we had a Santa Laws he could be could be played by Simon Wilson, who sadly is going to actually be available, or he's happily because actually only got a couple more weeks left here at enzyed Me, Simon. 00:03:59 Speaker 4: I do. I'm finishing at the Herald just before Christmas. Been here eight years, had a fantastic time. But I'm going to take some time to do some work of my own, and I'll still be doing lots of writing. I'm sure I'll end up speaking into this microphone from. 00:04:14 Speaker 5: Time so too, and we'll actually get here because we genuinely want you. It's lovely, it's lovely to thank you, thank you. I might even come to your concert. I'll leave your name at the door. Let me know anyway, and joining him. She look, this is big news. No, no, no, no, this is big news. I've got very exciting news because today, December the sixth is the day you should remember because she has been awarded Betrothed Person of the Day. 00:04:45 Speaker 1: I knew this was coming. 00:04:49 Speaker 7: He's done again. 00:04:51 Speaker 5: Has someone's engagement had such a fanfare that it's almost like the day itself. 00:04:56 Speaker 4: Be like, oh so big got on your show. 00:04:58 Speaker 5: You're getting married, getting married next week? 00:05:01 Speaker 8: Do you know what? 00:05:01 Speaker 7: At this very time and seven days, I'll be fifte minutes from walking down the aisle, which. 00:05:06 Speaker 8: Is very exciting. So for a few minutes out, what do you expect people. 00:05:12 Speaker 4: I still trying to do the dress up for. 00:05:16 Speaker 7: You know, the last minute fluffing and premi training and all those types of things. Yeah, arriving there, you know, getting out of the car, there's a lot of fabric on the just an ordinary car, just yet, just an ordinary car. Yeah, well, no one's going to see it. I think it's a waste of money, winning cars wasted. 00:05:31 Speaker 4: You're going to money Central, Otago's finest and you're worried about wasting money. 00:05:36 Speaker 7: Yeah no, that's but you know, we've got to cut the savings when we can, but they're into the booze fund. How many guests one hundred and twenty eight, Yeah, including Ben and I including include us. Yeah, so one hundred and twenty Sex. 00:05:50 Speaker 4: Think you didn't name for one hundred and thirty and couldn't quite get there? 00:05:53 Speaker 5: Surely I think we actually did. 00:05:55 Speaker 7: And then you know, people various reasons I couldn't make it and all those, all the types of things, and you know, I'm not just going to invite randoms to fill seats because people mean something to us. 00:06:02 Speaker 4: So and this is the kind of it's not one of those Auckland things where people say they'll come and they don't exactly. 00:06:10 Speaker 7: And they've had to conmit. 00:06:10 Speaker 5: It's difficult to work out who to rule and rull out because that whole thing about who you should are. Do we invite that cousin all this and that that was it to forgot to to actually. 00:06:18 Speaker 8: Rule me out? 00:06:19 Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I'm sorry. I lit it be put on the record right now that I invited him to our engagement party and he couldn't make it. He was on the shopping block first, obviously, obviously. Yeah, it's a little bit hard. It's I think it's that kind of that juggle of you know, which people from work do you invite? 00:06:41 Speaker 5: I imagine none. 00:06:43 Speaker 7: Well I've only got one person on my staff, which is me. 00:06:45 Speaker 4: What does that mean for being though people from work? Does he have to invite whole rugby teams or. 00:06:51 Speaker 7: Not rugby teams that would be controversial players in not just reefing teams, but a lot of them are based overseas and they're in the Northern Hemisphere and it's so close to Christmas so they weren't able to make it. But lots like a few of the Aussie guys, which is really exciting. But it's a mix of broadcasting people and rugby people. 00:07:09 Speaker 8: Lovely. 00:07:10 Speaker 5: We just hope you have an amazing day and I'm sure you're. 00:07:13 Speaker 7: Will thank you and very exciting. I need you to do a sun dance all next week please so you can just it's looking good at the moment dance. 00:07:22 Speaker 4: What did you think? 00:07:23 Speaker 5: I said, No, no, you were offering me a gig at the winn No, no, no. 00:07:26 Speaker 4: You I thought you were saying he needs to jump off a high cliff into the raging river. 00:07:32 Speaker 7: I'm going to sacrifice all. 00:07:34 Speaker 4: Guns blazing and get shopped by five hundred. 00:07:37 Speaker 7: Yeah, to sacrifice you for the good around on a bicycle exactly perfect, a you dicycle. 00:07:43 Speaker 5: That would be a nice tune to walk down the aisle to range range. 00:07:46 Speaker 7: Yeah, saying you are quite the talent. I mean, I'm going I might come to your constant night. But for Eric Stanford obviously you know, and you're just a little one. 00:07:56 Speaker 5: Warn her you're coming. 00:07:58 Speaker 8: It's like coming. 00:08:00 Speaker 5: She's actually fun. Fact everyone, and I know we haven't even talked the news yet, just and me not doing my job very well at all. But I do love the fact that you're giving your wedding drink a bit of wedding ring, a little bit of a test drive today. 00:08:11 Speaker 7: Well, okay,

so we picked up our wedding bands today. We've picked up our wedding bands today, and we had them, we had the mate and when you told me that give it away and our jeweler told us to wear it for the day just to see if it. 00:08:31 Speaker 1: Is right. 00:08:31 Speaker 7: Yeahs like I'm going to wear it till Monday. 00:08:35 Speaker 5: You can't do that, And you know, you were like, is any chance I could just is it? Is there any tradition some way where I could please just wear it for a day and they're like, you can apparently a week before. 00:08:46 Speaker 7: But yes, I've taken it for a test. 00:08:49 Speaker 5: Yeah, and we've made a bit of fun of this and had some fun with But I just think it's genuinely nice to celebrate great news of someone who's so delighted being married. And I think it's wonderful, so shamelessly New Zealand there. 00:09:01 Speaker 4: We go, hello one to say, surely everyone getting marriage is delighted to getting married. 00:09:08 Speaker 7: That is a fair point. 00:09:10 Speaker 5: I mean to have some news of someone getting married like everyone else around the country. By the way, just on the romantic front, this is going to sound strange, but it's creat day to day. And of course my lost A friend of mine was telling me a friend of mine was telling me how he has neighbors he's on. Luckily he's on the other side of the road and removed from it. But there's the notes gone in the letterbox that our son is having create party today where I think you drink a drink every Yeah, yeah, that's the one and fun fact on the romantic front, the tyram My producer met her now husband at Create day and he pulled off a really smooth move while she was chundering in the flowers, he held her head. And look now they're married. 00:09:56 Speaker 7: Such a great word, chander. Look at her, she's just cowering into a seat at the moments. You've just embarrassed her on national radio. 00:10:05 Speaker 5: I think she approved that. I could say that he held it, that he looked after. 00:10:10 Speaker 7: Yeah, you can't put it back in the box to him. 00:10:13 Speaker 5: Hang on, how long is the delayed tyah? 00:10:15 Speaker 8: Really sure it was him? I mean, can she remember even. 00:10:20 Speaker 7: Somebody anyway? The heir of the day. 00:10:22 Speaker 5: But that's actually that is a very loving, caring gesture to make holding the hair back, then holding the hair back and just supporting them. 00:10:32 Speaker 7: Honestly, the word chunder I've not heard in years. It's a great word, chunder. 00:10:36 Speaker 5: It is quite a good word, isn't it, Because when they. 00:10:38 Speaker 7: Were chundering into the bushes, you know, just yeah. 00:10:41 Speaker 5: Okay, almost take a break. Anyway, Look, hey, I care opening. Fun fact, my wife called me from Sylvia Park today because she was thinking, I'm not sure I try it. There is no one at Sylvia Park today because obviously everyone has heard traffic cues all these sorts of things, and everyone stayed away. She said, I just drove she's at IK, but she's at Sylvie Park, same place, and she just drove into the park, got a park where she wanted, and she said, there's and this is midday. There's almost no one there. 00:11:13 Speaker 4: She said, I think that happened on the opening day, even didn't. I mean, they had cues card, but they didn't have the forty minute wait that they were expecting just to get off the motorway. So what I wonder is, what did they do with all the extra meatballs? 00:11:28 Speaker 7: Oh? Yeah, they look Has anyone tried them? 00:11:31 Speaker 5: We never I've never tried the metalls. 00:11:33 Speaker 8: I don't know. 00:11:34 Speaker 7: No, you can get frozen versions, smell and make them. 00:11:37 Speaker 5: Apparently been eating the IK meatballs when she met her husband. 00:11:40 Speaker 8: Oh my god, this is such a random show. 00:11:47 Speaker 7: This is a very random patter. 00:11:48 Speaker 8: I love this. 00:11:49 Speaker 5: But no time Christmas time. I did say to her, I said she, I said, I mentioned it on radio, that it's empty. She said, we'll wait till I've left. I said, yeah, she's gone, so we can mention it. 00:11:58 Speaker 7: I just don't believe. I drove them from the shore and there are still signs that say, you know, speak forty minute delays for the ik I landed in back from christ Church last weekend. Signage out from the airport. I don't know. I just I mean, it's a furniture store. It's a flat pack furniture store. I mean, great, more choice, awesome, but you know, cool, cool story. Yeah, I mean some people are just OK. I love Kmart, you know, but I wouldn't wait in a line to get in there. 00:12:27 Speaker 6: No. 00:12:28 Speaker 5: I just think it's you know, they've employed how many put people? Who employing five hundred people? Five hundred people? 00:12:33 Speaker 4: Good news story? 00:12:34 Speaker 8: They I mean, they're a bit of a new story. 00:12:36 Speaker 5: They're a bit of an a lose lose in terms. They had to sort of discourage, you know, they had to sort of let people know they were going to be these big delays, and probably it has had the effect of people just staying away. But I'm imagining next weekend might be. 00:12:47 Speaker 4: The other part of what could be a good news story. I hope it's a good news story, is that it's competition. It's competition for Kmart, which is booming in this country. It's competition for the warehouse, which is not booming at the moment. Both of those conglomerations, too, will need to raise that game. They know that, they've talked about how they'll need to do that. It should be better for shoppers everywhere. I hope, I hope it doesn't simply mean that one of them falls over. 00:13:16 Speaker 7: And that's what I was going to say, is as long as it's not these legacy brands. I mean, my first job was at the Warehouse. I've kind of got this cute connection with the Wearehouse, the Red Head. Yeah, actually no, I don't. I wish I did, though, the Red

Head Warehouse berking Head one one eighth store, which doesn't exist anymore. But it would be a shame to see a legacy brand like that disappear, or the Briscos or we all love a Briscos sale. They're never on sale. They're never on sale. Guys, just get out there and get a good deal. 00:13:45 Speaker 6: Now. 00:13:45 Speaker 5: Ah well, anyway, so look, it's it's good news, and I mean we've been begging for it to come here, so finally it's here. So good on your I care and I've been interesting to see if they The other thing that was worth observing, I think was how they had such an well organized collection points system set up right around New Zealand. For people or ordering online. Ordering online, that's great, quite quite fascinating observation and logistics. Wouldn't it to see exactly how they get everything rolling? But good on you, Ikea. I'll pop along at some stage for maybe a meat bought. 00:14:17 Speaker 7: Have you been to Costcos? I haven't even been to Costco? You have? 00:14:21 Speaker 8: Yeah? 00:14:22 Speaker 7: And did you check out the coffins? They sell coffins? 00:14:25 Speaker 5: No, I'm not really in the market. I just as wild. 00:14:29 Speaker 7: They sell everything. 00:14:30 Speaker 5: You know, you will be eventually somebody else will anyway. Yeah, Actually it's funny. I mean, I can't say it really excited me that much. And apparently they've got how many four six hundred thousand people who've paid sixty bucks the membership. Yeah, so they made twenty four million just out of membership. 00:14:49 Speaker 4: Lots of things at Costco you have to buy two of them, you know, because you're buying in bulk. 00:14:53 Speaker 7: That for it to be worth while you meet. 00:14:55 Speaker 8: Well, no, if you want to. 00:14:56 Speaker 4: Buy a chicken, you've got to buy two. 00:14:57 Speaker 8: Chickens, and that kind of it's a lot of bird. 00:15:00 Speaker 4: I was asking in relation to coffins. 00:15:02 Speaker 7: Do you do you might to coffins? 00:15:05 Speaker 4: I don't know. 00:15:06 Speaker 5: It sounds like the start of a mighty python schedule dead phone Arthur Sogegny of PROSTATN the fastest funeral service in North Wales. 00:15:13 Speaker 4: And we possibly don't need anybody that need to tell us the answer because it's pretty oos. 00:15:19 Speaker 5: Anyway. Look, do you think I think we should take the break now and come back with more sensible vers of ourselves? Well, start again, We'll start again. Oh no, okay, So we will take the break now, we'll come back and we'll talk about other things such as Scrutiny Week and the oh Donald Trump getting the fief a piece award it. So it's just it gets stronger and better every moment on this show. 00:15:39 Speaker 8: It's boring on politics. 00:15:40 Speaker 5: To come Yes twenty two past three News Talks NB. Yes, welcome back my panelists. Simon Wilson is senior writer at New Zealand Herald and journalist and betrothed the Wilhelmina Shrimpton. Now let's get on with the serious

stuff. Well is it serious Scrutiny Week? I can't say I paid. I mean it's a good thing that they have Scrutiny Week where you know the ministers have to turn up and get grilled by the opposition and other MPs. But what did you make of Scrutiny Week? Was there anything that stood out to you? Simon Wilson, What I thought. 00:16:09 Speaker 4: Had kind of gone off the deep end was that the Scrutiny Week is essentially ministers are answering questions from MP's on the other especially on the other side. The MP's on the other side, Labor Greens especially were furious with several of the ministers, and the whole thing seemed to me to be a kind of breakdown in how you really get scrutiny, how you. 00:16:35 Speaker 5: Really get what's just indignation. 00:16:38 Speaker 4: Was so indignation on one side and a kind of obfuscation, a kind of I'm not going to answer that necessilly question on the other side, and that defeats the whole purpose of it, which is a bit unfortunate. 00:16:50 Speaker 5: No golden moments. Yeah, I watched a bit with Nicola Willis having a bit of a contratanmptet with some other MPs and I sort of locked on it and oh, you know, and she's. 00:16:57 Speaker 4: Basically going, you're being stupid, and they're going you're being stupid. 00:17:00 Speaker 5: No, you are, You're being stupid. Scrutinize this, do this. 00:17:04 Speaker 4: You're being strupid. It's not. 00:17:07 Speaker 7: I was just going to say, no, one knows that. 00:17:10 Speaker 5: I think when I said scrutinize this, people, you know it came with energy. Did you enjoy scrutiny Week? Did you pay any attention? 00:17:19 Speaker 7: I'm not going to lie like nothing has. Nothing has stood out for me. I find it interesting that this is limited to two specific weeks throughout the year. Shouldn't we be scrutinizing everything throughout the year? I just don't know. 00:17:31 Speaker 4: Parliamentary business stopped so they can just su Yeah, actually, but they do have question time in the House all the time. 00:17:37 Speaker 5: Of course, maybe maybe, And I think it's a good idea that they've they've come up with the idea of scrutiny Week, we just haven't grown up enough to actually work out how it should be utilized. Perhaps, is that fair? 00:17:47 Speaker 4: I think everything about politics evolves all the time, and because this is a relatively new phenomenon, I'm sure you're right. 00:17:53 Speaker 8: Yeah. 00:17:54 Speaker 5: I mean, if it was the House of Commons and had been running for one hundred and fifty years, Scrutiny Week, you can imagine would have grown into a week of some sort of gravitask where some awkward questions replaced and people ministers that would have to ask instead of like I don't like you neither are I, Ah, you're silly, I'm angry. 00:18:08 Speaker 7: There's a lot of that though. It just it feels very school guard sometimes is back and forth, and that the ridiculousness of everything, anything and nothing seems to get resolved. 00:18:16 Speaker 4: I think that's one of the difficult things for an awful lot of politicians to learn that we don't care so much as they do about all that kind. 00:18:23 Speaker 7: Of behavior exactly. 00:18:24 Speaker 5: I think it's one of those things that at some stage kids in their education they get introduced to the idea of politics and their teacher plays them a bit of parliament and they say, oh, you know, miss or mister, they're worse than us. I mean, I think we all where you look at politicians and going, god, this is worse than school. 00:18:40 Speaker 4: And I also think that it should be holding on politicians to do better. So I mean, I think a question always worth asking is if there were school kids watching us right now, if a class came along to watch this, what would they think? And I think that are often at Auckland Council because I go to all their meetings and often, very very often, you think this is just appalling. This is not just the behavior, but the process. The procedure is so ridiculous. 00:19:09 Speaker 7: The pettiness got to be A pettiness just tracks away from the issue at hand. It's a distraction and it means that we can't take them seriously when it's something that is really serious and it's affecting a lot of people. I feel like it's a massive distraction and then that becomes the focal point, not the issue at hand, which is a problem. 00:19:24 Speaker 4: Yes, So there's that, and there's also the way in which the rules applay. So one example is a council there's public submissions at the start, and you come along and say, I really think you need to do this. The agenda right, and they're talking about it is number eight or ten or fifteen, and it won't be dealt with until the afternoon. So the debate is completely separated from the public submission. 00:19:45 Speaker 8: Why is that? 00:19:45 Speaker 4: Why does that happen? Why not have here's the moment where the topic of the day that everyone's angry about or concerned about will be debated a public submissions, counselors, debate, make a decision. That's a good process. They don't do it last. 00:19:58 Speaker 7: There's no order to it. 00:19:59 Speaker 4: They just they just yeah, they don't think people are watching, so we need to do this better. It should they should? 00:20:08 Speaker 5: There we go here, end of the lesson. Politicians I have, they're all tuning in now. I don't know what to make of this. Well I do, actually, but I don't know how to introduce it. So I'm just going to say, Donald, So, FIFA have decided that this is FIFA, the soccer people who run the World Cup in football football. Yeah, soccer, the soccer people, the soccer people, soccer people, football, Okay, and. 00:20:32 Speaker 4: You should say the context is that the World Cup is where it is next year. This is why they've done Where is it next year? It's in the United States, Mexico and Canada. 00:20:41 Speaker 5: Okay, three of them, thank you. And anyway, FIFA have created a Peace Prize

and they have announced their first winner. This is just recent news, Johnny and Fantino. Interesting surname, isn't it. Anyway. He has announced that Donald Trump is the first winner of the newly created created Peace Prize. And I guess my first question is what is FIFA an organized Are they trying to sort of are they trying to sort of sanitize themselves given the some of the corruption things, they're trying to do something nice, But then they've given it to Donald. Look, you can have your own take on that. I just think it's just barking mad Well. Two things simon. 00:21:21 Speaker 4: One is FIFA is one of the most corrupt organizations in the world, so their take on what would be appropriate from a his prize moral perspective is going to be pretty ropey to start with. But the other one is when I just mentioned before that the World Cup will be in the United States, Canada and Mexico, Donald Trump, of course has been verbally at war with both those countries for as long as he possibly can and as hard as he can. He's putting a wall up on one of them, and he's enormous tariffs on the other. That kind of behavior is not peace award behavior. So presumably what FIFA is doing is saying, for the duration of the Football World Cup at least, could we have no internissa and fighting? 00:22:07 Speaker 5: Do you think do you think it's quite a sort of cynical move to just look, we love you Donald, and actually it's a smart move. You could argue it's a smart move. The guy could make things difficult. 00:22:15 Speaker 4: I don't think appeasing Donald Trump ever works, and then there's any evidence has ever worked for anybody, So I don't know that it's a smart move, but I imagine it's what they're trying to do. 00:22:22 Speaker 5: Oh I've got on them. 00:22:24 Speaker 7: The whole thing feels very off brand. I mean, I looked it up before to see if there were any other awards? 00:22:29 Speaker 5: Did you chet Gee? 00:22:33 Speaker 7: I think I said to you, I was like, let's ask chat GBT. But I just looked at up before and there's no other awards that are unrelated to football. So it seems a very odd thing for them to suddenly introduce without there being some kind of ulterior motive behind it, which you've just covered off as well. So it it does seem very strange. Also the fact that there's nothing about how the selection process came about, where there are other people being considered, what was the judgment process. It's just kind of happened and been announced, and it just seems very strange, very bizarre. 00:23:04 Speaker 5: It feels very are I must say, I am looking forward to the World Cup though, because I mean, I. 00:23:08 Speaker 8: Guess we're in a good group. Yeah. 00:23:11 Speaker 5: Actually was our first game, I think it's against Belgi Belgia, Belgia run and now was it a run that we It was Saudi Arabia we beat all those years ago five now to get into the World Cup for the first time, which was incredible, another Middleist country as well. 00:23:27 Speaker 4: We've got surely the easiest group we could possibly get. 00:23:31 Speaker 5: And us getting through to the next that would be amazing, wasn't it. 00:23:34 Speaker 4: You know? Yeah, eat best in the world that we don't have to play any of the really big ones. Belgian never do well in the World Cup for us. 00:23:43 Speaker 7: Can you tell I'm not following football. I'm just sitting here, not in longer. 00:23:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, those guys in marriage country you're not allowed to. 00:23:50 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just a rugby now, just just a rugby kind of go out now. The other news, look, this has been in the news for quite a while, but the Australia ban of social media for the under sixteens, it's kicking in on the tenth of descent where it's going to restrict the under sixteens from It's interesting the way they're doing it. They've got TikTok, snapchat, YouTube, interestingly read it, Instagram, Facebook, kick, Twitch, threads and x some of which I haven't heard of. But anyway, I'm quite keen on us pursuing something like this in New Zealand. I'm not sure about the whole YouTube thing, considering there are some YouTubers quite an amazing. It's got so much on it. I mean, I'm not sure if that qualifies as social media for me. But anyway, Australia are doing it. Should we be doing it here? Who wants to go first? Hands up? 00:24:40 Speaker 8: Okay? 00:24:40 Speaker 7: Will it? 00:24:41 Speaker 2: Meana? 00:24:41 Speaker 4: You go first? 00:24:43 Speaker 7: Just scrapping to put our hands up? Yeah, Look, I think it's I think it's a really good initiative and a really great thing that they're doing. When I think back to my childhoods and I didn't have social media probably until I was sixteen or seventeen. That was when Facebook was sort of starting to become a thing. And you laugh at me, thank you, And I shuddered to think what my school life would have been like at intermedia and at high school having to deal with social media and social media pressures. Not only that but also online bullying. I was really badly bullied at school, and it was horrible enough it happening in person, but when I went home, I could escape it and I could leave it at school, didn't follow me home, didn't follow me on my cell phone. Whereas there are kids now who are dealing with that twenty four seven. And I think, as I'm not a parent, but I when I have kids, and I think about how you're actually going to manage that and keep traffic all those apps, but then also how do you police it? Yep, they'll have all of these age barriers and putting your identification documents in it, but there'll always be another app that exists that will drive everyone underground at all. 00:25:48 Speaker 5: Well, so you see, I'm not so worried about it being a one hundred percent effective ban. I just think it's quite it's good for parents to have that back up. It's like schools. There's a phone ban at schools, so it's no longer this fifty to fifty islight where the

school's being mean. They legally kids can't have their phones at school. So it's a backup mechanism. And I think for a lot of parents will be grateful to say, listen, you know, I'm sorry honey, but you're not old enough to have that app either. We don't want you to, but it's also against the law. That to me as a parent, I'm going to go hands up, yes, thank you. 00:26:21 Speaker 4: Look, I agree with you about laws rules, having the ability to put in guardrails, we drive to the speed limit. If the law says kids can't have the phones at school, that makes it easy for everybody. It's just straightforward. I imagine my kids are older so we were. We didn't go through the social media thing. We didn't go through smartphones when they were young. I imagine it is extraordinarily hard now to know. 00:26:51 Speaker 5: What to do our kids. We don't allow them to have TikTok or anything. They have got WhatsApp. But how are your kids twelve or thirteen? Sorry, just had a birthday, happy thirteen? It almost fifteen. But they use WhatsApp for groups, for sports and things like that. And I have to say, but I have a vain hope. It might be a vain hope, but I do think that this generation of kids are learning to manage a certain segment of them anyway, are learning to manage social media better than perhaps the older generation did, In fact, possibly better than their parents did. 00:27:27 Speaker 4: It's sweet, isn't it that he's a parent in front of us and he knows what his. 00:27:31 Speaker 8: Kids are doing on their phones. 00:27:34 Speaker 7: My main concern as well is also making sure there's enough education around it, you know, with the likes of AI at the moment, it's really hard now with an untrained eye to figure out what is real and what is fake. And so you're getting all of these images pushed in front of you, and particularly you know, young I mean you'll be young girls and young boys as well, but that are very focused on what you look like, how skinny you are, what you're wearing. Well, you know, and these people aren't real, right, But this becomes the unattainable beauty expectation on particularly young girls. I mean, there's times sometimes when I'm going through social media and then you sort of go, oh man, you start feeling a bit insecure, and you imagine what eleven year old who doesn't know any better, who doesn't actually know that those images aren't real, is feeling and going that's the standard, and that's what I need to work towards. 00:28:20 Speaker 4: I think there's a couple of other issues too. One of them is that being enslaved by social media and by your smartphone. Isn't isn't a particular attribute of teenagers or kids. No, it is true for most of us. 00:28:35 Speaker 7: It's a don't mean, it's just true. 00:28:38 Speaker 5: Simon on Twitter all the time, Simon Wilson. 00:28:44 Speaker 8: I want to depress myself. So that's a part of it. 00:28:55 Speaker 4: And I imagine there are a whole lot of young people going, well, you do all this stuff on social media, why can't we? And you've got to be a better answer than just you're too There's got to be an answer around Actually. 00:29:07 Speaker 7: You don't understand what the risks are. 00:29:09 Speaker 4: And I'd like to think we're going to evolve in some way that we aren't as obsessed by on the phone all the time. 00:29:18 Speaker 7: Take us back to the nineties. 00:29:20 Speaker 8: That would love. 00:29:22 Speaker 5: Eighties because I'm as sure you would love those league warmers probably, Yeah, remember the eighties, the old fashions. 00:29:29 Speaker 4: I remember the eighties. 00:29:31 Speaker 8: I was an adult in the eighties. 00:29:34 Speaker 7: How were they? 00:29:35 Speaker 5: A quick question, do you think it would be a popular move for the government to bring in something like Australia depending on exactly how much we tweak it. 00:29:43 Speaker 8: Yes, Okay, there we go. 00:29:46 Speaker 5: Let's get to the break. 00:29:47 Speaker 8: It's not sorry. 00:29:48 Speaker 7: I was going to say, let's not let it be like the Harmful Digital Communications Act that they brought in, and then they didn't make any changes to it, and the technology evolved so fast that it wasn't actually relevant and it had no teeth. So I think as long as the legislation keeps up, that's easier said than done. But as long as there's something that can keep up with the you know, I seemingly keep up with the technologies exactly. 00:30:10 Speaker 5: And on that note, we'll just have a quick cup of tea and a lie down and we'll be back in just a moment. That sounded a bit dodgy, didn't it. At twenty to four News Talks, they'd be back in the mow. Well, welcome back to the Weekend Collective. Umpton Beverage, Simon Wilson and Wilelmina Shimpton are my guests today. Actually, I think we think we actually have got through. 00:30:26 Speaker 4: Actually did I just put. 00:30:29 Speaker 5: Got through a few news topics on top of all the other merriment at the start of the show. But one, and this is a slightly concerning headline. 00:30:37 Speaker 4: Mind you. 00:30:38 Speaker 5: I'm almost not surprised because I think there are some professions where there are a bunch of people leaving at the top. There one in five new school leaders quit within a year. So with curriculum upheaval, teacher shortages, burnout nine hundred and sixty seven principles there was an analysis of them, one in five left within their first year, which is well, that's that is a bit of a concern, isn't it not a lot of fun to be had at the top there? 00:31:03 Speaker 4: As simon, that is an extraordinary tost I have written about in my career, written about schools an awful lot, and been and talked to educationists and sat in classrooms and done all of that stuff. And as far as I can tell, there are really two basic rules about how you know whether a school is likely to be good, and one is the quality of the teachers, and the other one is the quality of the principle. If the

school is well led, it is likely to be good for your kids, and that applies across all different sorts of schools. So to learn that Principles are twenty percent of them are leaving within a year, and presumably more than three four years, that is a real worry. Is something that's gone terribly wrong. 00:31:46 Speaker 5: Yes, it's not a lot of detail as to why. I mean, there are some who s there's also many principles also left the job, left the role for a job at another schools. 00:31:54 Speaker 4: So the good ones are getting snapped up and moving on. 00:31:57 Speaker 7: Perhaps what I was going to say is I'd be interested to know what the proportion was of those who had left the role gone somewhere else, had left the role and left the professional together and changed industries. It's interesting because you would assume that most of those principles and those in the senior exec team would have started off at that basic kind of teacher level where they're you know, on the front line in front of kids, dealing with kids, you know, teaching them, sticking to the curriculum, that type of thing. And then moving into that executive role, that's when their role would change. Right, They're not doing the day to day they're dealing with students, but they're dealing with the more an administrative capacity and then having to manage other teachers. And it's interesting because I think that's the same and lots of industries. Right when you kind of move from going on the front line to a managerial role, it's a significant change, and for some people it takes them away from the thing that they're therefore the thing that they're really truly passionate about, And especially when there's added pressures like resourcing curriculum changes that add that into the mix. If you're not feeling that jazzed about losing that day to day face contact, and then you get that layered on top, I'm not surprised that they're making the disc to move. 00:33:06 Speaker 4: I think that's true. You'd think that many people who become principals are currently or before that, their deputy principles, so they. 00:33:13 Speaker 7: Do understand before that they're head of departments. 00:33:15 Speaker 5: And then yeah, yeah, hey, just just quickly on the educational thing. The moldy lunch is thing. So there's the school with the principal who David Seymour. I thought, you know, it was a lighthearted way and of describing her as a frequent fly on the media. But those moldy lunches where they reckon that the lunches probably had been left from the week before or something and all that sort of thing. I don't know, did you have any view on that, I thought, I thought it's probably just a simple mistake where something has been left behind, but everyone's trying to score a point of each other. 00:33:46 Speaker 4: It's obviously a simple mistake or simple it's obviously a mistake. Nobody's deliberately well, el I'm just going to guess, but not that evil. 00:34:00 Speaker 3: You know. 00:34:01 Speaker 4: It's an appalling thing when when the Deputy Prime Minister decides that the way to counter criticism of a service that he instigated is to simply attack the person who's complained about it. We need better than that. It doesn't matter whether whether the princip well, it doesn't matter whether the principle is a political enemy of his or not. We want to know about the issue. We want to know how come those kids were sold. 00:34:24 Speaker 5: Food Safety Decisions said that. We think it's that there's been an extra boxes of things that's been left. 00:34:30 Speaker 4: For They said that, and the principle says that the CCTV shows that that isn't the case and doesn't make sense, and all the rest of it. We don't know what the answer is, but it's an unfortunate extra chapter of this whole Sorry, Sachari, isn't very unfortunate. 00:34:46 Speaker 7: First of all, I can't even believe that was mints underneath there that the males look pretty grim anyway, do. 00:34:53 Speaker 5: You obviously went never went flatting as a student, then, oh no, I did, Okay, one of those flats where everything was sort of like, you know, we've got today's son both. 00:35:03 Speaker 4: And you actually know anybody in the universe. 00:35:06 Speaker 5: That was the case I flattened with. 00:35:08 Speaker 7: I was one female and a flat full of five guys. That was an interesting experience that goodness had in my own bathroom. 00:35:15 Speaker 4: Of course, it was four of them and they all shared one. 00:35:23 Speaker 7: They all shared one bathroom, and I had my own bathroom. Well done, Yeah, thank you very much. You know I'm a tough negotiator. 00:35:31 Speaker 4: You want to you're going to give me the bathroom. 00:35:33 Speaker 5: That's very true to brand. I can just imagine the flat MAT's going. She's got her own bathroom. 00:35:38 Speaker 7: They did willingly give it up to me, though, so that was that was quite nice of them. But I think willingly ishsh details, details, details, don't let the truth get in the way of a good yard. No, no, so, I think simon what you've said as well, the fact that he's criticized this principle, I would hate for anyone else who has an issue that they see to then feel nervous. Perhaps there's maybe a school or a principle that hasn't spoken out before, and maybe they're a little bit nervous about taking an issue into the public spotlight that's really really important, And I would hate for that to scare them away from shining a light on something that needs to be resolved. 00:36:15 Speaker 5: Indeed, you go, indeed, there you go full stop on it. Hey, by the way, as I say, hey, this is an interesting one. So hey, oh actually, hey, we've got to take a break. My producers are Scott Mayor and said, don't don't talk, take a break, tom So she's the boss. 00:36:32 Speaker 4: Even though we've got an interesting one, we're coming We're coming back with. 00:36:36 Speaker 5: An interesting one. We'll just be back in just a

Moment's interesting from quivering in anticipation ten minutes to four Yes, News Talk said be the panel of my guests to Simon Wilson and Wilhelmina Shrimpton. Now, guys, apparently the word hey is too casual for emails. A Wellington University professor's face backlash after saying she ignores emails from students that begin with hey. 00:37:03 Speaker 4: Maybe she should get a job not working with the young people. 00:37:06 Speaker 8: Well, I was. 00:37:07 Speaker 5: Wondering I posited this with the attire when I was chatting with her before the show. Maybe that there are certain students who have got a crappy attitude. And then there's she gets an email with her hay, such and such, She's like, I see you later. Where maybe her favorite students if they say hey, teach, I don't know. 00:37:22 Speaker 4: I mean hey, It's one of those words that can play a lot of ways, isn't it, But might not be generous and assume it's playing a good way. 00:37:30 Speaker 7: You have to pick your audience, right, Maybe I think professor is not the old school. But I think if it's a more formal email and it's not some it's someone that you're not, you know, buddy buddy with. 00:37:42 Speaker 8: Essay, that's not how are you okay outside your door? Yeah? 00:37:53 Speaker 7: No, I was a nerdy girl. But yeah, I think pick your audience. You know, hater one of your girlfriends and one of your friends, hey gal. 00:38:01 Speaker 5: Yeah, they just said hey and then introduced themselves and inquired about the course. 00:38:07 Speaker 8: Hey they're in, Sarah, Hey, Sarah. 00:38:11 Speaker 7: I suppose if you've got to think about the time, I never. 00:38:14 Speaker 5: Read to be honest, it's me again. It wasn't actually it was the first. It was the first communication, so hey, prof you know, I didn't say prop that was the name of the professor. And then hey, then introduced themselves and acquired about the courses. 00:38:28 Speaker 4: Hasn't it an extraordinary that we're talking about at all? 00:38:31 Speaker 7: It's a bit brutal that she decided to not answer any emails. But but for formality's sake, I would probably not pick hey, I'd say hi or hello. 00:38:43 Speaker 5: Well a language Victoria University of Wellington has condemned the lectures actions. Okay, what condemned them? 00:38:50 Speaker 4: Condemned them? 00:38:50 Speaker 5: Sounds serious. 00:38:51 Speaker 4: Hey, hey, teach, you're condemned. 00:38:54 Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I think I'm not answering is probably and hey. 00:38:57 Speaker 9: If you want to complain about that, hey, just quickly, did you see the fun Just did you see the fun exchange swap of presence between Christopher and Mike Hosking, which I thought the most interesting thing was just trying to work out exactly what Christopher Luxon had given Mike. 00:39:10 Speaker 5: Hosking rubber and the and the metal. 00:39:13 Speaker 8: Most people it was. 00:39:14 Speaker 5: Something a little bit for sort of date night, but it's he did too. But apparently it's it's a sling for your wine glass. 00:39:21 Speaker 7: While you're from I care what, Yeah, the PM. 00:39:27 Speaker 4: For your wine glass? 00:39:28 Speaker 5: WI your what around your estate or something? Well, so you literally put your wine glass in the sling so you don't have to have your hands. 00:39:36 Speaker 4: So the wine slopped out onto the stomach. 00:39:39 Speaker 8: That's what it is. 00:39:40 Speaker 5: I mean, either that or it's some sort of don't I said to myself. There, I stopped myself. 00:39:45 Speaker 7: That was a good Sorry, I was just I initially thought the same thing, but then when I looked at him put the wine glass in the wine glass, it was a it was a it was a longer not stem the you know, the top part, the glass part, the bulb, and it felt like it would have tipped over if it was full. I don't know. The engineering seemed off to me anyways. 00:40:02 Speaker 4: It's it's the present you give someone who you have no idea what to give them. 00:40:05 Speaker 7: Isn't it someone who has everything? 00:40:07 Speaker 5: You want to know what I'm getting you? 00:40:08 Speaker 4: Now? 00:40:09 Speaker 8: Buddies, aren't they best buddies? 00:40:12 Speaker 5: Hey guys, thank you so much for joining us for the panel today. Wilhelmina sincerely, have a wonderful weekend. Next weekend, yeah, yeah, from me too, Yeah yeah, the two Uninvited. 00:40:24 Speaker 8: I've been to I'm over. 00:40:26 Speaker 5: We'll be back with the one roof Radio Show with Mark Harris. He's from Southby's and he'll join us next. 00:40:32 Speaker 1: For more from the weekend Collective. Listen live to News Talk zed Be weekends from three pm, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio