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And one thing that is very real, this is gonna sound strange.
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People hear, they hear how you show up.
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That's what they really hear, right?
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They don't hear the words that are coming out of your mouth.
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Yeah.
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They hear how you show up.
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Yeah.
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And the consistency and the continuity of who you are.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Welcome to the visibility room on air and off script.
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Hey, hey, everybody.
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It's Carol Morris here at the Image Impact Group and the Visibility Room on Air and Off Script.
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And I don't know what's going to happen today.
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You guys are in for a treat because I have with me Alicia Houston with no O.
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And yes, if you've been following us for a while, this is a repeat performance.
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Yes.
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So I am excited to have you here.
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And Alicia, for those of you who have not met her, she is from the Culture Crew.
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Yes, I am.
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And she is a strategist.
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No, the leadership coach to strategy.
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Ooh.
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I was gonna remember.
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And this, my friends, is why sometimes I have people introduce themselves.
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I love it though.
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I was gonna remember how the order, and now I can't.
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So now it's up to you.
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Okay.
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Okay, I love it.
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So, you know, she just passed the mic over here.
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That's what we do, right?
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So, hello, Alicia Houston.
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As my beautiful friend Carol with the K.
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I always call her Carol with the K.
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Uh, there is no O in that last name.
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And so you can find me on every channel with no O.
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And I am a leadership business advisor, a mentor, and an organizational development strategist.
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That's it.
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I knew there were the words in there.
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All right, cool.
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All right, so a little background for everybody.
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Alicia just flew in from San Diego.
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We're here in Detroit.
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She flew in
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from San Diego to work with us on her thought leadership for LinkedIn.
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Yes.
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And we just did 24 videos.
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And as the videos were happening, she's she's talking from a leadership perspective.
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And I really wanted to talk to you because there is so much crossover between leadership and um and teams and the building of credibility and trust and visibility utilized as a as a um tool, if you will, to get there.
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And a couple different things came up today when we were chatting.
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One of them being there is a difference between being liked and being trusted.
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Yes, there is.
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Yes, there is.
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Yes, there is.
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I I want to dig into that a little bit more, right?
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And so again, I'm looking at it from okay, if there's a difference between being liked and being trusted, how do we, how do we show that?
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How do we show that?
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In your experience, what are you seeing in the field?
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And then let's kind of break it down.
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Yeah, I love that.
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And so here's the thing about being liked and being trusted.
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And and we're having a very transparent conversation, right?
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There was a time where I didn't realize the difference.
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I wanted to be liked.
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You know, I wanted to be liked, I wanted to be received well.
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Um, I don't know if it's part of the gen X in me too.
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Yeah.
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Um, but I had to learn that being trusted was actually more valuable than being liked because people could trust that I was gonna show up the same every day, that I was gonna be the same to you, Carol, that I would be to Billy over here.
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Yeah.
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And so that level of being honest and being um authentic and being real and being kind though in the delivery of everything, right?
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Like you can still be kind and be very direct as well.
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And so I had to kind of learn how to walk in that myself in my own leadership journey.
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Yeah.
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And I saw how it really began to move me into a position of I know with Alicia, she's a straight shooter, but she's kind with it and she's gonna tell it to me real.
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And it's gonna help me grow and see maybe what needs to change within me or what I'm even my technique and what I'm doing.
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Right, right.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So being liked, that's great.
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You're kind so people like you.
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Yes.
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But the consistency of how you show up is how the trust starts being built, right?
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Absolutely carefully and the credibility.
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And that's where can can I trust this person to keep showing up?
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Can I trust this person to do right?
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Can I trust this person to be honest about what's happening?
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That part.
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And not just build the likability without the trust.
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Yeah.
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And one thing that is very real, this is gonna sound strange.
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People hear, they hear how you show up.
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That's what they really hear, right?
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They don't hear the words that are coming out of your mouth.
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Yeah, they hear how you show up and the consistency and the continuity of who you are.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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And and so they hear all of those things about you and they formulate their opinion as to how they're going to also interact and engage with you.
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Yeah.
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And this is where first impressions are so important because again, they're hearing, but really what also has happened is visually speaking, they've seen, yes, and now they're determining if they're gonna continue to listen.
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Yes, Carol.
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And what are they taking in?
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Because are they distracted by something that they're seeing visually that now has them thinking about something else and they're no longer hearing the message?
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Right, right.
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So that's where that visual component, along with the auditory component and the ability to communicate and stay on message, they all have to work together.
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Yes, ma'am.
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Yes, ma'am.
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They do.
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It's all a beautiful little team right there.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I shared a story with you.
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I worked with um somebody years ago and amazing, amazing woman.
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And she was showing up in flannels and jeans, and and she had lots of people that were in her corner.
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Yeah.
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And the problem was is that they were in her corner, but they weren't paying her.
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And so we we did some um exercises and we did some strategy work to determine really how did she need to show up.
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Yeah.
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What would what would turn the page, what would alter some of the things.
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And we made some changes.
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And she said to me, I used to be the person somebody wanted to go and have a beer with, but now I'm the person that they know that they are gonna have a solution and they will pay for that solution with.
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And all we did was change the outer part of her.
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Her business strategy didn't change.
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Exactly.
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The way she communicated to with people didn't change, but now they saw her and her perceived value went up.
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Yes, and their trust went up, and the credibility that she came forward with was there.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, that's powerful.
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That's really a powerful statement.
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And it's a powerful testament.
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Like that is a demonstration, that is tangible proof that truly how we show up, right?
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How we present, quite honestly.
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You know, you can say what you want to say.
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Listen, I get, I get the world we live in.
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I know we can, you know, that people may poo-poo on things, or they may say, you know, well, I want to wear my pajama pants, you know, all the things.
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And this is just, we're having a very candid dialogue here.
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People formulate opinions.
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They formulate, can they trust you?
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Or there's someone that they're like, you look like a nice person, but I really don't want to engage with you.
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I don't want to give you my money.
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I don't trust you enough to put to invest in you that you're gonna provide me with what I need.
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Exactly.
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And so we have to be, it's just what it is.
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We got to walk the line there.
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Yeah, and you have to understand that that is human behavior.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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And it's not just happening in person, it's now we have to take the digital component, right?
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So now we might meet somebody, you know, maybe we did a podcast with them, or maybe we met them at networking.
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We go home, we Google.
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Yes, and what do we find?
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Yes.
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What what do we find, Carol?
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That's the that's the one million dollar question.
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Yeah.
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What do we find?
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And it's definitely not the same all around, right?
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Exactly.
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You can tell even organizations.
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I think I was sharing with you, there was a company I was working with, and um, they were an HVAC company.
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And one of the customers said it was really great because I knew the technician was coming to my house.
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She was able to go on their website, and they had taken the time and invested in headshots for their people and a little blurb about the technician so that they wouldn't feel like such a stranger.
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Because you're coming into someone's home and then you're allowing someone into your home.
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Yeah.
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So to be able to go onto that website and to learn a little bit more about Susan or Sam, right?
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And to see them and then to know when they're at the door, like, oh hi, right, immediately there's a level of there is a level of trust that is established in that percent.
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Because they have may have liked the brand of the company and they may have liked the person that set the appointment.
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Yes, but now they get to go and see somebody and build the trust and know that they will know the person coming into their home.
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Home.
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Into their home being intimate.
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And all it took was a picture.
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A picture.
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And a little statement.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Another thing that you that we talked or that you talked about during our production um days was the fact that 32%, 32% of business will be depleted if there is a problem that they have encountered.
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Yes, right?
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That is not solved.
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That is not solved, right?
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And so again, trust and like.
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They may like you, but you didn't solve the problem in a way that moved the needle and built trust and credibility.
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Right, right.
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32%, that is a crap load of business loss.
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Yeah, that's significant.
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Yeah.
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And and like we were talking about, like in that in that conversation, we are human.
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We are gonna make mistakes, right?
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Like it's going to happen.
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We want to minimize those, of course.
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We want it that margin to be very small.
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But things are going to happen.
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Sometimes there's things even out of our control.
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Maybe you're receiving a product and that vendor has a challenge.
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You know, there can be all kinds of opportunities for challenges.
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Yes.
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But how do you navigate the challenge?
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How do you show the customer I see you, I respect you, I honor you, and I appreciate your business.
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How do they feel that?
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How do they see that, right, Carol?
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And how do they say, I trust you enough that I'm going to trust your word, I know it's going to be handled, and I want to continue the relationship.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And if you think about that at scale, right?
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So sometimes there's organizations where there's a big failure.
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And again, if you say nothing, that says everything.
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Yes.
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But if you allow yourself to have some visibility, and maybe you do have a um a fireside chat with another leader to explain what happened to the masses, right?
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Video can be one to many.
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Oh my goodness.
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Or you said, or let's say it happens internally, and you as a leader jump on video and explain what happened and let them see.
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Yes.
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Let them see um and hear what happened and see your demeanor and how you present that solution.
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Yes.
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Because it's not just, you know, I mean, we we can imagine 32% of business lead leads.
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What happens internally when leadership isn't um having the right conversations with the the internal employees?
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Right.
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Right.
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Right so that you know, they're they're clients too.
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That's right.
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Right.
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That's right.
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And be and between uh organizations within a company, you know, you have an external client, you have an internal client.
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Yes, ma'am.
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How are you communicating?
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Yes, all those things.
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And then how are you showing?
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I love what you were saying
about video because I think um, you know, sometimes people can be apprehensive, right, to be on video.
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And so sometimes we can hide behind the words, right?
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You know, typing them on the computer, but really showing up with a presence on video, allowing people to feel, you know, that the disappointment that you may have, right?
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Or even to see, you know, like like you're saying, to convey even uh an all hands, right?
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A video that's like the numbers didn't come in like we thought, guys, right?
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Like not just a uh a memo, right, right, that's sent to everyone, but a video from the leadership, like really showing a level of empathy, compassion, because hard decisions have to be made at a leadership level.
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We know that.
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Yeah, and and decisions aren't always gonna be, you know, warm and fuzzy.
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Exactly.
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But to come onto a camera, to have a dialogue, to be honest, to be authentic, that will build a level of trust.
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That will build also a level of loyalty to an organization because they know the organization does have their back.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Let me ask you a question.
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Sure.
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How do you feel about AI being used in a situation like that?
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So instead of getting on the camera or instead of having that conversation from you, you implement AI to do a video that is explanatory.
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Yeah, I'm so I'm very relational.
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I am not transactional.
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And I think that is why I'm very um I do have the great opportunities I have.
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Oops, oops, in business and all of that too.
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Um so I believe in relationships.
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Like I said, it might be the Gen X are in me.
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I don't know.
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But um, I believe in relationships matter, people matter, humanity matters.
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So I know there's all these things, I think they're called AI twins or something because they're you and they can do all your mannerisms.
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But baby, there is no substitute for the real thing.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, the real thing.
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And we can tell.
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I mean, as good as it is, you just can tell.
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There's something off.
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There's a emotion that doesn't make sense or a cadence that doesn't make sense, or the look in the eye
isn't there.
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Yeah, it's like looking to the left or the point and in the moment, right?
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In the moment.
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And this is one of the things, uh kind of going off topic, but I want to I want to bring this up.
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We don't script things out for our clients because of that.
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Yes, because you'll you'll be trying to be in cadence with the with the script, and you'll be trying to follow it, and yeah, and like you said, it'll feel very robotic, it won't feel genuine, yeah, you know, and now and then the trust diminishes.
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Yeah, it does.
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And it and it's it's it's a unique situation because you always want to get your message right.
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You do, but there is a temperament of getting your message right and the humanity that goes along with it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I want to talk about your point along those same lines too, someone delivering a a video that um maybe there's some some challenging um outcomes that are gonna be a part of that, right?
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And to have that delivered to you from an AI standpoint, I think you're I don't think I know you are going to lose people anyway because they're gonna be like, wow, Alicia didn't even care enough about us to just come on screen and just be real with us.
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Like that's not her.
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Yeah, why, you know, so I can't trust her.
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And I don't know if I want to stay with an organization that I can't trust.
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And yeah, even if they don't check out physically and leave, they may check out mentally, right?
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There may become a void in the work that they're producing, all the things.
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So there could be, it may not be this physical, I'm leaving your organization, although that is also an outcome.
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It could be they become detached from the organization, they stopped volunteering, they stop, they're just kind of present.
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And so then what's happened is that you took an opportunity where yes, you had to give your time, right?
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But your time is expensive.
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So you chose to do something that would be less expensive and less time on your side, and it has cost you, it has cost you manpower, it has cost you um recruiting all the things.
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So your$200,000 leader now just cost you$400,000,$500,000 to replace.
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In the meantime, you've stressed everybody else out because you've uh you know unloaded their stuff on everybody else.
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Exactly.
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And so literally, you could have jumped on video, yeah, had a conversation, put yourself out there, built up trust, and instead what you did was you diminished trust and you cost your organization a lot of money and frustration.
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Right.
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And another thing you just oh, go, go, go, go, go.
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And guess what?
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What's that?
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They didn't like you for it.
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That part.
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They left you for it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So now you're not likable and you're not trustworthy.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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All both of those things.
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And you just made me think of something too.
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Yes, we live in a digital age too, right?
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Where video, where you can disperse and have it.
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Um, but even when you have a hybrid opportunity, like you can still do things in person, right?
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You can still sit down and say, hey, we're gonna have, we're gonna have a meeting in the big auditorium or something, right?
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And you can be present physically too and speak to the people that are present on site as well, right?
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Like I I think that this is the things that AI cannot replace.
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They just cannot replace that human dynamic.
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Right.
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So, like you said, it is the it is, it is perceived and received a certain way.
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So even when we're on a stage in person, that is still giving your time, giving your energy, right?
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In that, in that arena, as well as, yeah, for those that may not be on site, also filming a video or filming that conversation in real time so that they also can get you, who you are, and get the real deal from your mouth to their ears.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So kind of, you know, bringing this full circle, the reason that you're here is to do video.
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That's right.
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Because it is important.
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Why?
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Yeah.
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Oh my gosh.
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So it is so important.
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What I what I did not realize too, Carol, is actually how important it was.
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So I was one of those who I knew there was something inside me.
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There was a message, right?
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There's messages, there's there's things that we have to share with the world.
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--> 00:17:58.640
And listen, okay.
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I tried to do it on my own.
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You know, I told myself I was gonna do it.
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I'm gonna sit down and film these videos and I'm gonna do that.
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Come on, stop fooling yourself.
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Okay.
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I had to stop fooling myself.
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So I was here because you heard Carol say I filmed 24 videos.
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Hell there, 24 videos.
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So I had to prepare and I had to, and I had to do the work, right?
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And so now coming in and sharing the wisdom that's within me, because that's what I know I'm called to do, and to share insights and those little nuggets, right?
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And having them, having the support of you and your amazing team, right, to do that and to listen, and to tell me when to cut because uh no, you're not saying it that way, Alicia.
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It was so good.
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And so you have this, this, this team who you feel very supported with, um, and who you also know is going to help you shine in a manner that is authentic to you, right?
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And I think that's very important.
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You you you we all need a team of some sort, whatever the team looks like.
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Right.
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And so for me, this is important in this time in in my life and what I'm called to do and called to share.
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I knew I needed that team to help me get that message out there.
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And so it it has been really great.
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It's been challenging, I like it though.
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It's been challenging.
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It challenges me as a leader, too, right?
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But it also helps me to see.
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I know this sounds weird, but it helps me to see that, yeah, you actually do have something to share.
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Oh, yeah.
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You actually, you actually are good at what you do.
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Yes, we are.
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And you are who you say you are.
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Yes, and so that has been really helpful too, because it's actually been like a mirror, because you know, you do see your videos on LinkedIn, you know, you do, and you just like sometimes you're like, oh my gosh, turn it off.
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You know, and then at the time you're like, oh, that was a good point.
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So thank you.
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And and and then what you are doing now weekly is building trust and likability.
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Yes.
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You're very likable.
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Well, thank you.
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And very trustworthy.
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And you are brilliant, and and it is an honor to sit across from you and to hear your nuggets.
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And you know, Marty and I always like, mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
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I said today, I wish there was like a uh, what did I say?
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I get an IV, an IV straight from your mouth into my arm with the with the wisdom that you're giving.
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So I can't wait for people to continue to follow you and to learn from you.
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Thank you.
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And to take those nuggets and implement them.
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Yeah, thank you.
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And you've got some really great things coming up too.
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So um, let's a couple different things.
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We've got the founders, the build the builders' brunch.
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The builder's brunch.
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The builder's brunch.
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The builder's brunch, and that is gonna be when?
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It's March 6th because it's all about International Women's Day and Women's History Month.
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So that is March 6th in Atlanta.
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Okay.
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Yes.
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So be on the lookout for that information and get yourself in the room because it is an amazing group of women.
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So, and I am going to try very hard to uh get myself out of the the D and into the A.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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You will not be disappointed.
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Yeah, you will have a great time.
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I'm excited.
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And we and we do a little jamming too.
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We have a DJ on site this year.
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Oh, yeah, honey.
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Yeah, yeah.
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We're gonna get blood pumping.
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That's right.
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And maybe the next time you see us together, we might be live from a dude ranch.
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We'll we'll talk about that later.
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Yeah, I love that.
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Well, Alicia, cheers to you.
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Thank you for trusting us, and thank you for sharing your wisdom and your insight and having this candid conversation with me because I think it's important.
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Very much so.
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Thank you for having me.
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All right, okay.
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All right, everybody, have a great day.
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As always, please like and follow.
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Make sure that you connect with Alicia.
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She is absolutely brilliant, and that is no lie.
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Thank you, my friend.
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All right, guys, we'll talk to you soon.
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Bye bye.