Full Transcript for AFC East 2026: Every Team's Ceiling, Floor & Breakout Player (Ep. 26)

that way? 00:02:38 Speaker 2: Just said Cleveland. 00:02:39 Speaker 1: Uh no, it didn't even say that. It said something about the Browns front yard. I think it said or something like that. 00:02:44 Speaker 2: But they go get they get Jared Vers and multiple picks. I think that's a fair deal. It's a really good deal. For Cleveland. He's from Dayton, so he might sign an extension. We'll see what goes on with him. And then AJ Brown. I mean, the Patriots win that deal obviously, right, you get the one of the better wide receivers in the NFL. But I'll say this, Howie Roseman, for what he traded a first and a third to get AJ Brown, he traded wound up trading AJ Brown after four years for our first in a fifth. So you basically got the prime four years of AJ Brown for a third and a fifth pick swe in a Super Bowl and a couple of Super Bowl appearances in a ring. That's an incredible value for Howie. I mean, so I do see the positive from every single side of both of these trades. I think there is positive to be taken out of all of them. So in that our guy Jake Seale is right, as much as it pains me to inflate his ego even more. 00:03:38 Speaker 1: Ericson, have you seen the workout videos of Aaron Donald this week, because apparently he's so excited about Miles Garrett that he is quote flirting end quote with the idea of coming back. Do you think he's serious about it or is he just having a good time here on the internet. 00:03:54 Speaker 3: I think that maybe he's getting caught up in the moment just to think about what it would be like on that defensive line that is just fully stacked with Miles Garrett. Look, man, you don't want to temper the expectations of what this potentially be. And it's like, you know, I don't want to say no to Aaron Donald. 00:04:12 Speaker 1: I would never say no to Aaron Donald on any circumstance about anything. I think that's just a good pattern. 00:04:18 Speaker 2: Yes, you were in front of me in line, sir go ahead. 00:04:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, sir up, yeah, absolutely correct. So this was this was definitely not my order here, this was your. But look, it is definitely flat. Oh but let's talk about it. Because he only retired Andrew in twenty twenty four, Like, it's not like he's been retired that long. I was like, oh, it's like it's all like Philip Rivers come out of retirement and he probably is all Philip Rivers slash. Anyway, Well, hell, I'm a better shape than that guy. He better shape than that guy. 00:04:47 Speaker 3: That is a good point. He comes in for the first meeting and they just put on the Philip Rivers Seahawks game when the Coles almost beat the Super Bowl champion Seattle Seahawks in his first start after missing what it was the five seasons of the NFL Action. If it happens, I'm here for it. I'm not gonna be like, no, this is lame. No, this will be a lot of fun. Just get more superstars on the field at the same time, Los Angeles Rams. How crazy would it be? First game of the year in Australia. Aaron Donald's out there. 00:05:17 Speaker 2: Mile, That's crazy to think of Aaron Donald and Miles Garrett on the same line in Australia. Seems like we are definitely in a b universe somewhere. 00:05:27 Speaker 1: I want it to happen. I'll be honest with you, Like I to Eris's point, it's la. 00:05:33 Speaker 2: Who's going to lead the league in thirteen personnel. It's gonna be the Rams, and whoever plays the Rams if they have Aaron Donald on. 00:05:40 Speaker 1: That line, well, that's the whole point is like I think, look, Aaron Donald might not play every play, obviously, you know he's an older guy at this stage. He's not old, but he's always been a freak in terms of his athletics, Who do you die? I heard a story actually today. I was listening to NFL radio. They're way home from the gym, and the guy was talking about the first time that he saw Aaron Donald and he was running with the wide receiver group. Now, normally, when you're a defensive lineman, you don't do that. You're running, you're getting your running in and you're running your forties and stuff like that with you know, the other linebackers and guys like that. He was running with the wide receivers in the corners and he's like, Oh, that guy is a little different than everybody else. And he's always been that. He's always been a physical freak. And I'm I know he's kept himself in good shape. We all know that. And he's got here. Look, he's got a couple months, got two plus months basically to get into that kind of shape if he wants to to play in shape is one thing, football shapes another. I think Aaron Donald could do it, and I'm here for it. I'd like to see it. 00:06:35 Speaker 2: You guys, well, I think I think too. 00:06:37 Speaker 3: What else could play a factor is maybe it's not okay Week one, he's out there, but a couple guys get hurt on the Rams. Okay, we had a lot of defensive line dep Okay, now we have some injuries. 00:06:48 Speaker 2: No, now, we're definitely not coming back for camp. I know. 00:06:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, yeah, he's not gonna do that stuff at thirty five years old. Again, as someone that's thirty two years old, I could barely make it through workout anymore. So, but I wouldn't close the book on Aaron. Don leave it if it's not week one later into the season. If the Rams need somebody, Hey, I want to have a fun playoff run. I mean, didn't I What was that The Chargers player Eric Eric Weddle, wasn't he He came back randomly, like one year when he missed the entire regular season, he. 00:07:16 Speaker 2: Was like the last four games, yeah, and he was just like. 00:07:19 Speaker 3: Okay, we need we need a body in the secondary. And they just signed him after he missed the entire he didn't play the entire regular season. 00:07:24 Speaker 2: I remember that too. 00:07:25 Speaker 1: That was wild. Yeah, look, I'm here for it. I want it to happen. I'd love to see it happen. So you know, it was a crazy day, Like I don't think we've ever seen two guys of that

magnitude two potential Hall of famers get traded on the same day in June. I mean, that was just kind of bizarre, and I feel like it's kind of ignited the NFL talk in the NFL season, which is great for channels like this. And I know everybody here who's listening. If you're enjoying this conversation and clearly from the YouTube comments that have been super positive, y'all have drop your comments below and subscribe to Tailgate NFL our new YouTube channel, because you could win our latest giveaway, the Jamar. Somebody's gonna win this bad boy real soon. So Jamar Chase jerseys up for grabs from Pristine auction dot com. How do you win? Again? Drop your comments, subscribe, and don't forget to ring the belt till it goes ding while you're there too. That way, you never missed an episode of the Tailgate. We're gonna have more live stuff for you during the year two. We've got a whole plan coming at you. We're working on it. Actually tomorrow we've got a big meeting about it. Fingers crossed. We're gonna be talking all about what it could be for the tailgate, and we want everybody here to be a part of it because we believe in this channel, it's gonna be a good time talking football, all right, or Patriots everybody? Because Andrew and I where we're gonna start. Yeah, because Andrew, Andrew and I are still you know, it's funny. Andrew I was. It was exciting, but we were working and then like all the other stuff was going on. It really didn't hit me till yesterday. And then I saw him in the in the jersey and I saw him catching one handed passes from Drake May and I was like, oh my god, it's all happening so fast, like it happened and it was still theoretical to me. And then it starting to see him there and seeing him, you know, talking the press conference and the little pictures of him as a little kid. We're in the Tom Brady jersey. I was in my feelings, I'm not gonna lie. I was very excited about aj Brown. So let's talk about it here. Let's talk out the breakdown here about maybe how the calculus might change a little bit. I know a lot of us have been thinking, Okay, Patriots take a step back, and all that stuff but now you've added a legitimate weapon, a deep threat. Drake May is so good and AJ Brown I think I saw a stat today actually where he was tied for seconds since twenty twenty two in terms of winning over a thousand yards on deep fade routes. I mean that is like a match made in heaven between Drake May and AJ Brown. Plus it then opens up a lot of stuff underneath. If you want to have Trevon Henderson catching football, is running a back like AJ Brown allows you to do a lot with this offense. And I have to imagine that Josh McDaniel is super exciting, Drake May super excited, and maybe we should pump the brakes a little bit on the whole patriot regression irrelevance conversation has been happening here lately. 00:09:49 Speaker 3: I think that that makes sense to try to pump the brakes. But regression holds nobody, It holds everybody accountable. 00:09:57 Speaker 1: Comes for old men, That's what I mean. 00:09:59 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter matter what they were going to do. Because when you look at all the statistics from Drake May last year, again that was against the easiest schedule in NFL history, So naturally that ghost numbers are just probably not going to be as good even if you add dynamic talents like AJ Brown like Romeo Dobbs. So that's where I get concerned. I also have concerns about the defense too. Outside of Christian Gonzales, who I think is an All Pro superstar, like Carlton Davis, is the other starting corner and he is one of the most volatile cornerbacks. He looks like a stud in one game and then the next game he plays absolutely terribly and gets absolutely picked on and roasted. So if Gonzalz were to miss time, remember at the beginning of the season, the Patriots were kind of like to a shaky start. Gonzalez was dealing with a hamstring injury, so I think that the defense is a little bit top heavy with Gonzales, so I think that they're not going to be as healthy as well. So going back to the AJ Brown conversation, though, I think that it's to your point, match made in Heaven. I think that he fits exactly what the Patriotine Patriots need, someone that can beat man coverage was in PFF man coverage grade last season, and what else he does to the offense besides gaining attention more. Two high safeties is what you're probably going to see from defenses against AJ Brown because you have to protect him over the top. And I think that's gonna go up the run game, Like, yeah, I do toosides. 00:11:18 Speaker 1: That's why I love Henderson and Stevens in here. 00:11:20 Speaker 3: But yeah, besides the Henderson like big running plays, there weren't a lot of games at least, but the Patriots were blowing teams out against like the Jets and the Dolphins, where you had a steady, consistent run game. It was very boom or busts. They were one of the bottom teams in terms of rushing success rate last season. They have to improve in the red zone, which that's AJ Brown, that's Romeo Dobbs. So they did their best that they could to mitigate the impending regression and the schedule and the injury luck. But unfortunately, I don't think it's gonna necessarily reflect in the win loss column. Even if we look at the advanced metrics and think, oh wow, this team is better than it was last year against a tougher schedule, but it's not going to make them necessarily win more games than they did last year, which I don't think they're going to come close to Fox. 00:12:01 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the defense, because you're a mister defense here. Zach Kerr is now officially the defensive coordinator. He took over last year because Roll Williams, right, the week one of the season was cancer diagnosis, and then he went and got treatment, and Kerk took over the play calling and it was obviously really good. Right, So that's not changing year over a year. But what are your thoughts

in the way this defense looks from twenty twenty five to twenty twenty six. 00:12:22 Speaker 2: I still think it's really good. Obviously the secondary. You have three guys that are all in the top twenty one of the corners. Right. Your safeties are great too, adding Kevin Byern and Craig Woodson had a great year. I think the thing that concerns me the most about the defense is getting pressure on the quarterback. Right, Harold Landry was a massive disappointment last year, and they kind of limped at this in the offseason. It was Draymond Jones decent, signing more of a run stopper in Gay b Achis out of Illinois. So I think that's my biggest concern on defense still very good. And you also have four auto wins right against the Jets, two against the Dolphins, So I think that is nice for the schedule, but the rest of the schedule is really tough if you look at it, just like overall, I think the Dolphins have the second hardest schedule and the Patriots have the six hardest schedule. So you gotta play the six. Yeah, NFC North, you gotta play this year. You gotta play the division winner from last year like Denver in Pittsburgh and Jacksonville. So it just does make five primetime games too, and the Seahawks open up. 00:13:29 Speaker 1: But check out this too. Four of the five games at night the primetime ones are on the road too, which is a little also kind of a tough quirk there. 00:13:38 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to hear Patriots fans complain about. 00:13:42 Speaker 1: I don't complain about anything as a Patriot fan ever. Okay, I'm also a loser Mets fan, so I can complain all summer about everything, but once September hits, once we hit Labor Dame, all my complaining stops all the time. Okay, I'm a very lucky. 00:13:57 Speaker 2: Finals to complain about it. 00:13:58 Speaker 1: I know, I just I don't even care. I mean, I'm gonna watch it because I can't lose either way. Because all my family and friends who are Nick fans are so excited, but they're all so tense because it's been what like fifty years since they've won something like that, fifty seven years. 00:14:15 Speaker 2: It was a great four I was born, so before I was. 00:14:18 Speaker 1: It was nineteen seventy three, I think it was, right. 00:14:21 Speaker 2: And before I was born. 00:14:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm just like, I know, if they lose, it's gonna be entertaining, and if they win, it's gonna be very entertaining. So either way, I'll be entertained, and that's all I want to be. I just want to be entertained. Here. All right, let's take a look here at some of the numbers when it comes to the Patriots. Here, Super Bowl winner hard pass plus two thousands, best odds. I don't want it. You guys don't want it either. I know that I'm not even gonna ask you. Conference winner plus eight to fifty intriguing, intriguing, but pass for me, ericson, passed for you. 00:14:52 Speaker 3: I don't like any of the Patriots team futures, those player futures. I like on this particular team. 00:14:57 Speaker 2: Okay, I don't mind the die. What's the division at show divisions? 00:15:01 Speaker 1: Plus one fifty? I would think it would app numbers that it was better two days ago. 00:15:07 Speaker 2: You're probably right about that, but that number is not good enough. I want two to one if I'm going to put it, I agree for a full season. 00:15:13 Speaker 1: I got this money to make the playoffs minus one seventy five. So everybody still thinks, because of the you know, the soft underbelly of this division, that the Patriots will be all right. And look, they have a tough it's a tougher schedule. We all know it's a tougher schedule. But we also know one thing that every year injuries happen. All of a sudden, the teams that we think are gonna be good aren't good anymore. Quarterback goes down. I mean to look at the Bengals last year, look at the Commanders right, all of a sudden, the teams that we thought, oh, there's gonna be competitive teams, they were not as competitive. You know, so the landscape changes in theory. I still think they're a playoff team. So I'm going to pass the air, which brings us to the win total, which ericson you want to guess what that is. It's nine and a half, nine and a half for the over, ten and a half for the under. That's the best number, and both are heavily. The best thing you could do is still juiced minus one thirty five on both, So it's kind of tough. Division winner looks like the best bet there. But again, I don't want to bet at so. 00:16:02 Speaker 2: Under nine and a half. I don't think I would. I understand ten and a half. 00:16:06 Speaker 1: No, under ten and a half is my there's a lot to be. 00:16:09 Speaker 2: Good enough odds. I going to play that plate. 00:16:12 Speaker 1: You know what you and here's what you do. If you want to bet on the Patriots. You wait for the first couple weeks of the season to unfold. And I think some of these numbers might move because if they lose to the Seahawks and then they lose another game they're not supposed to in September. Steel Yeah, I think a little bit more. Let's not get crazy here, Let's not say things we can't take that they lost the Steelers last year. 00:16:31 Speaker 2: It's when the Stealers would be their healthiest. Too early. 00:16:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, the league's oldest defense will be in prime condition. That is very true. You're not wrong, Bogman, but. 00:16:42 Speaker 2: I be out there one hundred mil so, yeah, yes you will, Yes you will? 00:16:48 Speaker 1: All right? Uh, speaking of all these wagers too, don't forget a sponsor of our show, hard Rock Bet. Make sure you download the hard Rock Bet app today. 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Gambling problem called one hundred gambler in Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, Michigan, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. All right, let's talk about the next group here, the Buffalo Bills, who I do think are the team to beat in this division. Here I'm being realistic. Josh Allen is a perennial MVP candidate. The big transition was from Sean McDermott to Joe Brady. Joe Brady's in house, so it's not the weirdest transition, it does It does feel like, you know, like I don't know, like somehow they got. 00:18:22 Speaker 2: The drill sergeant is gone. 00:18:24 Speaker 1: And now I was gonna say, it's like it was like a divorce and now like your uncle's watching you or something like that, Like I don't know, like it's still family, but it's weird, like Dad's not there anymore. So I don't know how that's gonna play. 00:18:36 Speaker 2: Or I can swim in the deep end when I go for food is fine, I don't care. 00:18:40 Speaker 1: I mean, it's okay. It's your fun uncle. Joe Brady's the fun uncle around these parts. They've also got a new stadium too, and I always feel like when you have new stadium sometimes guys like there's that little extra juice that happens there. So ericson talk to me about that transition, not only of location, but that transition of head coach to where it is a little weird, but it's not completely new. So I do think it's a much easier transition. It's not like you're learning a whole new system. It's it's the same stuff we're doing, but maybe just with a different flavor. 00:19:09 Speaker 3: We're learning a new defense. I mean, they're going to be switching for their scheme, So I think that does matter pretty substantial. I think offensively it's now we got DJ. Yeah, now we got DJ Moore, and we know that offense is more sticky year tier. And when you have Josh Allen, I mean, if he plays seventeen games, they're going to be in the conversation basically, no matter what. I don't know anything else about what the Bills do defensively offensively, if Josh Allen's out there, they're going to be probably in the playoffs and fighting for the conference in the AFC. So I think offensively they're in a good spot. Defensively, though, I think it's going to take some time for them to gel guys coming off injuries. At Oliver, he was a big missing piece last year because he just missed so many games with his injury. And the biggest thing with the Bills defense of the last couple of seasons, even under McDermott, was defense can't stop the run, Like what is going on? Teams just continue to run all them. So does that change with Jim Leonard coming in from the Denver Broncos, who were really great against the run last year. I think that Thursday night, Week two, they're going to kick off and unveil their new stadium against Detroit Lions, Like, that's a monster game in Week two, So their schedule is not great to open the year. It's tough the first eight weeks of the season. So I think that that's kind of I guess Bradley Chubb, I think is a big addition to on the defensive side of the football. But other than that, I think it's kind of like it feels kind of status quo. But the couple improvements here and there, and then obviously Joe Brady as the new head coach, is there a chance that the offense does take step back because he is taking on more responsibilities. I tend to not really think about that because it's really more about the quarterback and he's been in the system already for so many years, all the same types of pieces. With Dj Moore as the audition, he already knows Joe Brady's offense like he's worked at it in Carolina. So for me, it's more of the question marks about defense. How long it takes for these guys to understand understand the new scheme. 00:21:01 Speaker 1: Yeah. Jim Leonard a guy A lot of respect for as a player. Yeah, he was a tough player. I always enjoyed him. It's gonna be interesting to see him in this role. So Bogs again, let's let's talk about little defense here on this is Bradley Chubb enough to help with the deficits they had last year against the run? 00:21:16 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I by the way, I can still hear Ericson screaming at us start whoever is playing Buffalo running back. They can't stop the run. They get right all year right here. I think they were thirty first in stopping the run. It was fairly pathetic. Twenty seventh and run dye according to PFF, thirty first in tackle grade. They just cannot tackle at all, twentieth and coverage. 00:21:41 Speaker 1: Ultimately, Bogs, that was the undoing of Sean McDermott. Like, you are a deep when you are the head coach, but you're the defensive mind head coach, and the failure of your team is the discipline of you as the head coach. That's what gets you fired. And I feel like that's that's a no brainer all the time. 00:21:58 Speaker 2: The thing I do feel like they did in the offseason was they spent a lot of time and draft picks and money on getting depth on defense, because that really was what it was, you know, I think the starters were okay, but you rotate guys out. You had

no depth on this defense. At Oliver gets hurt. You run all over this team. He only played three games last year. The Erickson said Dane Walker was a rookie. I think he's going to be better. But you know, Greg Russo is still one of the best ed rushers in the league. I think Bradley Chubb helps a lot on that other side. I think TJ. Parker helps a lot on that other side. He saw have bad tackling linebackers. I think Caleb be ellams Or is probably gonna start more games than not this year because I mean, they just Dorin Williams and Terry Bernard just cannot tackle. It was pathetic. I think it's a big reason why you're going to three four too. Just get a little more meat up front as well, so more body on bodies. So I think this defense will improve, but the schedule is also much tougher. I really love the addition to Dj Moore on the outside. He worked with Joe Brady and Caroline. Him and Josh Allen have already seemed to be buddy buddy. They got their lockers next to each other, that's all working out really well. And Stefan Diggs had his best season of his career first year with Josh Allen. So I don't know that TG more is kind of the best year of his career, but I think he's much better. 00:23:17 Speaker 1: Let's be honest, by a lot by country mile. So right, that's definitely true. 00:23:22 Speaker 2: So so I'm I'm excited about this team, and the schedule is still tough, but the division is still easy. Again, you should have four auto wins here, two against Miami and two against the Jets. So yeah, well, Patriots and Bills are starting off, even with a harder schedule, starting off on a good spot being in the East with the Jets and the Dolphins. 00:23:40 Speaker 1: Right, that's just got wins. 00:23:44 Speaker 2: Honestly, pencil him in. 00:23:46 Speaker 1: Well, but that's the thing, right, Like, as long as you handle your business there, if you have a hiccup in one of those games, it gets real complicated for sure. 00:23:52 Speaker 2: Uh. 00:23:53 Speaker 1: Also, Buffalo has seven standalone primetime I mean. 00:23:55 Speaker 2: If you lose to the Jets or Dolphins this year, somebody's getting fired. 00:24:00 Speaker 1: Seven standalone primetime games, two of which are on the holiday, right, so they play Thanksgiving in Christmas. 00:24:04 Speaker 2: So I get it. 00:24:06 Speaker 1: Like Josh Allen, you want to keep them in primetime. You want to have him out there. That's that's great, but that's tough, you know. That's like Tom Brady stuff like from the old Patriot era kind of things where he just happened and then they didn't play on the Christmas Day games and things like that. That wasn't even a thing back then when Tom Brady was playing. So is a lot for Josh Allen. If you want to make an argument for the Patriots not winning this division, it's the difficulty of the timing of that Buffalo schedule, which I think gets a little tricky, especially as you start to compress things. If you have injuries towards the end of the year with these short weeks and these holiday games and everything's at night, and everything's a weird travel schedule and you have less practice time. That's the argument. It's not an argument I'm gonna make. I still think the Bill's win this division. So That's where I'm at with it. Anything else here to give me the line you think you're gonna see guys, the prediction for DJ Moore this year with Josh Allen Fox, what does that number look in your head, like, give me catches, give me yards, that's pretty good. What do you think, Andrew? You go over under that? 00:25:04 Speaker 3: I think I'd probably say something similar. That's kind of where my mind was going. 00:25:08 Speaker 1: Maybe I didn't necessity, I. 00:25:12 Speaker 3: Would have had maybe not eight touchdowns. I don't know. Djar has never really been I mean he's. 00:25:17 Speaker 2: Targets last week. 00:25:18 Speaker 3: I never want to said, well, he's never he's never been a never been a double digit touchdown guy. Man, Well he's never had Josh Allen as. 00:25:24 Speaker 1: Well as he's playbo games with Kyle Allen, then he has a Josh. 00:25:28 Speaker 3: But the one thing is that Brady doesn't tend to feed one guy in the offense. I mean, Shakir has kind of been the focal point of this passing game the last two seasons, and he's barely cracked the top three Fantasy wide receivers. 00:25:41 Speaker 2: And sides last years. 00:25:44 Speaker 3: And he even had yeah exactly, so I think maybe that I think was better than Shakir. And I don't think that wars fall off in efficiency last year is due to his lack of talent. I think it was just the lack of hey Ben Johnson doesn't want to play with me anymore. I'm gonna use Luther Vurden to my other fun toys, Colston Lovelin and did you more, We're only gonna use you when Roman noon Day's injured. 00:26:06 Speaker 1: So I've already bet josh Allen by the way, for MVP at this number of plus six hundred that you can get right now, just because I feel like he's gonna have so much not that he needs the exposure, but he's got so much national exposure and if he has these big games on there, like, it's just gonna be really tough to be the odds. 00:26:20 Speaker 2: He mentioned slick Rick in his speech again. 00:26:23 Speaker 1: One hundred percent, one hundred percent because it's fun and he'll be like, we did it again, man, we did it again. But look at the rest of the bill stuff. Plus eleven hundred. The best odds on betting pros right now to win the Super Bowl for the Bills that you can find. It is. It does feel like new building, new coach, new vibes, new receiver. Like I'm very tempted about that one too, But I definitely think here's my problem. If I think Josh Alla's gonna win MVP, what do we all know MVP and winning the Super Bowl does not go hand in hand. We've seen that for the last twenty five years. The last guy Joson Kurt Warner, the last guy to do it nineteen ninety nine, the last guy to win MVP and win the Super Bowl in the same year. That was it. It's

it. It's a long time. You weren't born, right, I mean, holy crap. So look, this is this is a really difficult situation here for me. But I'm I'm not saying you can't bet it because it's going to grow so well, you know what, I'm gonna say, bet it. It's Goreot, It's GOREOT. I'm gonna say bet it because you know it's it's not gonna be plus eleven hundred by the time we get to December first, somebody als to win the division, well exactly, Well, conference winner plus five to ten. Anybody want to go that? Anybody? Anyone bueller? Plus five to ten. That's pretty good to represent the AFC. No, you still don't believe in the defense. 00:27:37 Speaker 3: And no, it's not that I don't believe in the defense. This is we're not talking about the Bengals team. I want to bet on the AFCA. 00:27:44 Speaker 2: You want to bet on the Cincinnati Bengals. Did you not care about defense at all? It's all fantasy football. 00:27:52 Speaker 3: It's not the same defense it was last year. 00:27:54 Speaker 2: Yes, it is. 00:27:55 Speaker 3: It's not that. 00:27:56 Speaker 1: All I know is that wise Josh Allen was one or two plays away from beating Denver in Denver last year. I'm gonna Denver, yes, but let's let's let's also discuss the context of that year. 00:28:10 Speaker 3: But we don't need to go more into the details of why how. 00:28:13 Speaker 1: That I didn't see half that game and I watched it and it was difficult to see in the snow. That's that I couldn't even see that game. So I don't know how anybody else saw it. And I love that the Patriots were the whites that day too. It's like what I will. 00:28:24 Speaker 3: Say one thing about Buffalo that I always like to bring up when we're talking about teams and how they do from year to year. They did have the healthiest offense in the NFL last year, so I do think it's good that they have a lot of depth. 00:28:37 Speaker 2: The interior of the offensive line makes me nervous. 00:28:40 Speaker 3: Yes, O line looks really good on paper right now, top five unit. I would say, if they get banged up? I agree, How does that impact the offense so poorly? 00:28:52 Speaker 4: Uh? 00:28:52 Speaker 1: Division winners minus one twenty five? So not terrible juice, but it's fine. Uh make the playoffs? Yes, minus three twenty I get that. No, is not an option plus two seventy five and then the win total gentlemen, Uh, do you want to take a gander? Take a guess ten and a half is correct. I will go over that though. To me, this is I would even push this to twelve and you'll get plus money there. So just saying because the over at minus one ten is not great. So if you if you move, is just one to eleven and a half. I think this is a twelve win team. I do. I think the Bills are a twelve win team. Again, we got four wins in division right to start with. I think probably split with the Patriots at least that's five. So we've just got to find seven more. That's it. Just got to find seven more wins. And I'm there, Erickson, did I sell you on

it? 00:29:40 Speaker 3: I think I like the MVP. 00:29:41 Speaker 1: One more MVP is the best round. Yeah, because we're right back to who else is? Who else is coming out? 00:29:49 Speaker 2: If the defense gets beat up. Yes, they added some depth, but now you have to outscore everybody you play, just like the Mangles. So I Josh Allen try and. 00:30:00 Speaker 1: And it's gonna be like the opposite of the Madden Curse. Right, I put you on the Black Book, you win m v P. It's gonna be a beautiful thing. 00:30:05 Speaker 2: Is that how it works? 00:30:07 Speaker 1: I'm telling I'm I'm telling y'all that's how it's gonna work. So that's what I'm saying. New Black Book just came out on amate ericson Bogman myself, Debro wrote that bad thing. Cover boy gonna go out there. He's gonna go out there when m v P as opposed to that Madden cover boy stuff, which I think we're gonna talk about tomorrow on the show. That's what I want to I want to have a long conversation about how worried we really about that cover. 00:30:29 Speaker 3: I'm not worried about it all. They're doing something it's totally different from what they always do. 00:30:37 Speaker 2: We talk about that curse? Can we talk about voodoo? 00:30:40 Speaker 1: I mean, we talk about the Kurt Signetti UH cover for the college game though because it looks doesn't it look like he mean, I don't know if anyone's seen this not but you haven't seen it, you should run to Then it totally looks like a really bad like Disney Channel show or something where he's like in charge of these guys. Then just they're out of control with this college football program and coach Kurt is going to have to put his foot down. It's NCAA twenty twenty seven. 00:31:10 Speaker 2: Disney plus Brewer couldn't put his dishes away. Oh my god, that guy. 00:31:17 Speaker 1: All right, Uh, let's talk about the Jets because we have to because they're in this division. So the Jets, I think the idea is it can't be worse than last year do which I say, good, it's possible. I did like their draft. I have to say I thought they had a good draft. I like what they did. I thought in my head last year, after watching Hard Knocks the year before and watching Aaron Glenn play football my whole life, I was like, maybe I think Aaron Glenn might end up being a pretty good head football coach. He seemed to have all the earmarks of it. And then I saw a couple of the early game plans and a couple of things, and he looked completely out of his depth. Things were not good for the Jets last year. So no matter how much talent you have, I think it's problematic right from the start. The coordinator is potentially a problematic too. Frank Reich has been bouncing around for a while, I think with good reason. So no matter how much talent you might have brought in, it's still a very young talent. And b Geno Smith is still your quarterback. And I know this is the part in the show where Andrew Rickson is gonna tell me that Geno Smith is good. And this is the part

in the show where I be quiet and I just listen to Andrew Ericson tell me that, and I shake my head and I go mmmmh. So go ahead, Andrew. 00:32:22 Speaker 3: You know remember whose office coriator was last year? Chip Kelly God didn't make it the entire season his number one receiver. 00:32:31 Speaker 1: One correct can be mutually exclusively true, right, Yes, and G Smith. 00:32:36 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying is he was put in a terrible situation. Nobody, every quarterback would have played like crap on the Raiders last year, including like anyone. He lost his number one receiver after Week one, Brock Powers was basically never healthy to the majority of last year, and he missed a ton of games. And if you look at the splits, would you know Smith played how many touchdowns per game? Do you think Geno Smith averages Brock Powers last year? There's a tribute question for you. How many touchdowns game did the average with? How many games did he play with Brock Powers last year he played? I believe he was eleven games. 00:33:05 Speaker 1: Eleven games total, so I think he everged one and a half. 00:33:09 Speaker 3: That is correct, one and a half. 00:33:11 Speaker 1: Fast sense, he threw a touchdown. Look at you, Look at you. You scored a whole touchdown channel, So proud of you. Yeah, But what I'm saying is signifs the average over that same period. I'm just curious. Also one all right, gave it right back. 00:33:27 Speaker 3: So I think that with a better offensive line, I think the Jets have a good offensive line. They have a top ten offensive line. They have two strong former first round tackles bookending this offensive line, so I think they're in a decent shape. So with time, with a number one wide receiver Garrett Wilson, adding in two really talented rookies first round picks Kenyan Sadik Omar Cooper. I know that bogs like Omar Cooper a lot. I think that this is a situation that's so much better for Gino Smith. He was seventh in completion rate last year from a clean pocket, so when the Raiders actually gave him time when it wasn't behind a patch offensive line, he had his moments last year. And and like, the thing that I want to point out is he's not like Rogers or Kirk Cousins, and he's coming off a torn achilles, like he still has the arm strength to push the ball down the field. So I think that Frank Reich thing, that's where I will stop waxing poetic in any way, shape or form out of the Jets, because I'm not going to sign off on on Reich. Although Gino Smith does fit his type of quarterback, big, big arm in the pocket, like like that's basically what you're looking for when Frank Reik is your offensive play color. But he has obviously been really bad the last two spots he's been in the NFL so well. 00:34:36 Speaker 1: By the way, who led the FC and interceptions last year ericson in Geno Smith. It was Geno Smith just putting that out there. 00:34:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, because he had no help. You had to do everything on his owne. 00:34:47 Speaker 1: You got to help yourself. Sometimes you got to throw to your bike, spike it. Throw to your team more helpful than throwing the other team. That's what I find uh, Bob, I want to give me your take on Gino Here? 00:34:59 Speaker 2: What happened to the team he left? 00:35:01 Speaker 1: Oh? They won the Super Bowl. 00:35:03 Speaker 2: With a quarterback that it had a history of being great? 00:35:06 Speaker 1: No, sir, he was. 00:35:07 Speaker 3: Great the year before. 00:35:09 Speaker 1: He was pretty good the year before. 00:35:13 Speaker 2: Gino is not starting over half the games for this team, Kay Klubknick is gonna get a long look? Why not? Why not? 00:35:21 Speaker 1: Honestly, Yeah, I don't know. I don't have an answer for that. 00:35:24 Speaker 2: It's because you don't. There isn't a good one. Why Why wouldn't you say? He started a million games in college? Right? You drafted him, so he's better than Brady Cook. He's already the backup. Gino Smith's not gonna make it through the whole year, either in injury or performance. Geno Smith's not gonna make it through the whole year. So I don't really care about Geno Smith in this equation. He's not long for the Jets. Either way, right, so they're not beholden to him. Maybe Aaron Glenn is for his job, but either you know, they're just saying, hey, look, Aaron, you have this job. Don't listen to the out noise. We're not going to fire you. It doesn't matter for Owen whatever. We don't care. Or he's gonna put Geno Smith in until he's fired, and then ownership's gonna say, let's see what we have from the kid. Put him in. And you know, either way, Kate Klubnick starts most I think most games, at least half of these games for the Jets this year, just to see what he has. Because you have a full crop of quarterbacks coming in next year. You don't want to have wasted this pick. Let's at least see what Klubnik has. Maybe he bounce his way back. Maybe Clemson was just really bad last year and he should have been a top ten pick this year. Right, that could be in there with Kate Klubnick. So let's at least see. So I don't really care about Geno Smith one way or the other. I don't, you know, I don't like him personally as you know, like as a person, he's great as a quarterback I don't want anymore Geno Smith, and I'm not I understand everything that Erickson said. He's probably better than what he was last year, but I'm not going to make any excuses for Geno. He's washed, he's done. 00:36:58 Speaker 1: If the thing's on that, the first thing is he's also coming back to a media market that really like ran him out of town with good reason to New York is tough. This is not like a not a homecoming for Gino Smith, or it's like oh or it's like, oh cool, Geno's coming back and it's a beautiful thing and we're going to get him back and we all love Genoi once. No, that's all that kind of relationship he has with the fan base. It's all that kind of relationship organization or the media. It was

believe me, I live here choosers. 00:37:26 Speaker 2: I mean, my god, it was unly. 00:37:27 Speaker 1: From the draft day on. It was never pretty here for Gino. Okay, and the other thing ericson because I don't want you to get so hung up on just how bad everything was last year. Over the last two years, what quarterback is throwing the most interceptions in the NFL? G Smith, it is Geno Smith. That is correct. What does he win? 00:37:45 Speaker 2: Yeah? You know what the best thing to do for the chance is to show the corners how to grab some picks in camp and practice. 00:37:53 Speaker 1: Let's do that. Let me do that. Build encouragement to the defense. 00:37:57 Speaker 2: The defense should be way better. By the way, if we're. 00:38:01 Speaker 1: Aout over under three and a half weeks for the first interception for the Jets, it's going to. 00:38:07 Speaker 3: Take you to the house. Yeah, week one bucket, all right? 00:38:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, well how is that degree right now? 00:38:11 Speaker 1: Box for you? 00:38:11 Speaker 2: Like when you look at I mean they have eight new starters or seven or eight new starters, so much improved. Right on Yamana. They trade for uh To Andandre Sweat. You add David Bailey with the number two overall pick. You got your old team captain. And to Mario Davis back you had a little pass rush in Joseph Osai uh Nishan Wright has been brought in here to get the next pick for the Jets. That's the reason he was brought in. And the guy is a turnover machine right making. Fitzpatrick is a veteran that's going to direct all of the traffic, specifically in the secondary and Ponds goes after the ball. He's just, uh, you know, a short king, so people don't like him coming into the NFL. 00:38:50 Speaker 1: Here all the short kings I got. 00:38:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to, we have no choice. But I just think this defense is going to be much much better. The offense. I don't know, you know, the O line is fine. I like Omar Cooper, junior, Garrett Wilson if he stays healthy, ad Ni Mitchell's but yes, Swall is great, and they got the extension there, and they drafted a potential tight end that could be really really good in Kenyon Sadik. I think there's a lot of ceiling and a lot of floor for Sadikam not one hundred percent sold on him, but there's a lot of ceiling there. So I think you're going to see a much better team than you saw last year. Yes, not because of Gino Smith, just because the law of average is saying. 00:39:32 Speaker 3: Don't think Geno Smith can be a better pass than Justin Fields was last year better passers. 00:39:37 Speaker 2: Sure, he's gonna win more games, I don't know. I mean Justin Fields, how don't he AGAINR I don't think Gino is playing more than games. 00:39:46 Speaker 1: He started for the Steelers the year before. 00:39:49 Speaker 2: I mean, he he's not Gino's. 00:39:51 Speaker 1: He did away he was four and two when he was almost five and one for the Steelers because he had a well that's why he got

a job with the James. 00:39:57 Speaker 3: Wasn't asked to do everything, which is what Gina's had to do the last two years. But throwing all these picks. 00:40:01 Speaker 2: And his best game was against Pittsburgh too, by the way, and also. 00:40:05 Speaker 3: That insult to injury. The Jets three wins last year all against the least for what I was reading, they were all against backup quarterbacks. It was it was really but I do want to last one thing about Aaron Glenn because I was trying to figure out if again I literally searched this on Google. It says did Aaron Glenn do anything right last year? Because I was really hell was to figure out was they're like like a semblance of I mean, the team won three games, like I just said, against backup quarterbacks. Again, there was not a lot of greatness from the jf which is where I had the second overall pick. 00:40:41 Speaker 2: So the second overall pick is that the thing that is. 00:40:44 Speaker 3: Said, So yeah, that was a big win. So Aaron Glenn one of twenty three coaches since two thousands from ESPN to win three or fewer games in his first season. Of that group, only four rebounded to make the playoffs during their tenure. Dan Campbell, who obviously Aaron Glenn, coached under Jim schwar Zach Taylor, Leslie Fraser, but based on the overall numbers, Glenn is three times more likely to get fired before in the twenty twenty seven season then for the Jets to make the playoffs in his New York tenures. 00:41:12 Speaker 1: So that's kind of you will get fired before season's end. 00:41:15 Speaker 2: There's this line thirteen where the flight director goes, what do we have on the spacecraft? That's good? Right after all the stuff has happened. That's what you just sounded like. Ericson like that he. 00:41:27 Speaker 1: Will be fired before the end of the sea. He will be fired before the holidays. 00:41:31 Speaker 2: I mean, what probably the holidays? 00:41:34 Speaker 3: I want to And this is something I didn't really know until I kind of dug more into it. So last year he put Steve Wilkes more in charge of the defense than he probably definitely should have. Ye Like, that was a big mistake that he made, and I was actually looking more into it and he the reason he hired Wilkes was because Wilkes was familiar with the forty nine ers defense, which a lot of the Jets players that were on the roster last year played at Arsala, were familiar with the four and defense. But when he tried to do that, we saw obviously it not work out. And then they trade their two best defensive players mid season. So I don't think Aaron and this is on him, like he decided to hire wilk so that's his fault. But I to Bogg's point, this defense is gonna be way different, Like the personnel is different, the scheme is different. It's gonna be Aaron Glenn's actually good guys. 00:42:21 Speaker 1: I hope it performs better. Different can be good, but different can also just be equally bad. 00:42:26 Speaker 3: I mean the last year,

it's not gonna be that terrible. 00:42:31 Speaker 1: I don't know. 00:42:31 Speaker 2: I like the man. I like getting to Andre Sweat because you had to. You had to replay Quincy uh Andremaine Johnson, you know, surely, which it's great, but then you get David Bailey next to him. They I really like the way that they have this defense structure. It is old with to Mario Davis and Maka Fitzpatrick back there, right. But those are veterans. They are gonna set you up in the right spot. They're gonna set these young guys up for success. So I like the way the defense is put together. Obviously, gino is the main question. You have skilled position players, like Rickston said, you have online, the defense will be better. I think, what's the win total here? 00:43:08 Speaker 1: Well, I'm skipping past all the other bets. The win total? You want to guess? What would you say to that box? 00:43:12 Speaker 2: Four and a half for. 00:43:13 Speaker 1: Ericson it's four and a half. 00:43:15 Speaker 3: I'm taking the over. 00:43:16 Speaker 1: It's five and a half for even money. 00:43:18 Speaker 3: No, it's gonna be a sweat no matter what. 00:43:22 Speaker 1: You'll under five and a half taking the under five wins? 00:43:27 Speaker 3: Do I play Miami Week eighteen? 00:43:28 Speaker 2: I need that. 00:43:31 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a good look it up looking. 00:43:33 Speaker 2: I'm looking. I'm looking. 00:43:34 Speaker 1: I'm looking if they do, because that's pretty funny. If they do, that would be amazing. That's the battle for the number one pick. Where the Arizona Cardinals that week? Where are they doing? 00:43:43 Speaker 2: They played the Buffalo Bills the last week of the season. Uh, I'll just run through it here. At the Titans loss, Green Bay loss at the Lions, loss at the Bears, loss, Cleveland at home. That's a win. At Newland's a loss. Miami at home is a win. Vegas at home is a win at KC home against Buffalo at Los Angeles at Miami could be a win. 00:44:11 Speaker 1: Four. 00:44:12 Speaker 2: Uh, Broncos loss at the Cardinals. That's five. But then you finished England, Minnesota, Buffalo. 00:44:23 Speaker 1: I mean, it's club Nick, and I'll take my under on the five. And I'm still very content there. 00:44:29 Speaker 2: First back at the end of the year, all right, that leaves only Uh. 00:44:36 Speaker 1: They say you should save the best for last, but that's not what we're doing here. We're saving the worst for last. It's the Miami Dolphins, everybody. So if you're still with us, thank you. I appreciate you. It's cool to stick around here about the Dolphins. I already bet the under on this win total. We'll get to it in a second. But look, Miami has flushed the toilet here. I mean, that's what they have done, right, They're just flushing through the front office, just complete, letely cleaned house of everybody and one hundred and seventy nine million dollars in dead salary cap. Just stunning stuff. So new quarterback Malik Willis is there to a tongue of Ilo has moved on to Atlanta. We'll talk more about that tomorrow on the show. But they did not give him a whole lot to work with. And now, good job by them not dragging out the devon a Chan scenario into the year, because that would have been a mess because the last thing you need the same holding out, missing camp and then getting hurt with a soft tissue injury in the first two weeks and not playing like I just you can't have that happen. So they traded Jalen Waddell. Tyrak Hill's gone, everything is gone, Jeff Hafley's there box. This feels just like a complete and utter dismantling disaster waiting to happen. You look at some of the fun things around the league right now, like the worst wide receiver room belongs to them, The worst offensive line potentially you could talk about if you want to talk about how good or baut they are, the worst cornerback secondary room, you could talk about it. There's a lot of things worse. Height end situation is I don't let Greg Dulcie really get you fired up. 00:46:03 Speaker 2: I don't see that in front of Erickson. 00:46:05 Speaker 1: I know he does love Greg Dulcie. 00:46:06 Speaker 3: So he had a breakout rookie. He was being ranked ahead of training. 00:46:09 Speaker 1: I already poked the bear on Gino Smith. I don't know if I want to tempt that fit twice. I knew what I was gonna get on that one. But but Boggs, I mean, I'm trying to find the silver lining here to this cloud. But it feels like a whole lot of rain. 00:46:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, toy Toy six is gonna be rough for the Dolphins. That's just it, right, I mean, uh, I think it's everything you said about the units, specifically right wide receivers. Who has the worst wide receiver unit than this team? 00:46:37 Speaker 1: Nobody? 00:46:38 Speaker 2: I can't name him. Who has a worst so line? I don't know who it is, Like you said, the secondary is bad. Here's the good thing is a lot of fat is going to be trimmed this year from this Dolphins roster. Right, That's just what it is. You're gonna see They're gonna go hard in camp. This scene's gonna have a lot of injuries. You're gonna see who wants to play because they know they're gonna sink down to the bottom. They're gonna have a very eye pick next year. You'd assume it's number one overall and you know, or in the top three, and they're going after Jeremiah Smith while other teams up there are going for quarterbacks because they just signed Malik. That's the assumption. Now Malik falls completely flat on his face and is terrible, then maybe they're in the quarterback market next year, which is a possibility as well. But I think I think Malik is going to be fine looking at this schedule. 00:47:29 Speaker 1: I think you might think that if they let's say they're the worst record, you don't think they're gonna take another quarterback. You think they're gonna stick with Leak, because I don't. 00:47:36 Speaker 2: It really depends on what Malik looks like. Like. If Malik puts up okay

numbers but they're giving up forty points a game, then they're gonna stick with Malik. If, uh, you know, the defense plays better than we expect and Malik is known a lot of picks and fumbling the ball, then yeah, they'll they'll replace him. But they did just sign him to a decent contract, So I think The idea is is you have your quarterback of the future now, and you are looking to fill in those other spots while everyone zigs. You want a zag right, Like, There's gonna be a lot of really good players in this draft. So you have your quarterbacks, So go get Jeremi Smith, who's the number one picking this class, or Colin Simmons who is one of the number one, or Dylan Sewart like whoever, whichever defensive player, if it's not, if it's not, you know, a quarterback. So, but you have the worst wide receiver room in the NFL. I think Jeremiah Smith is probably priority number one right now. 00:48:30 Speaker 1: Theoretically, Erickson, the wide receiver room looks like the free agent group. It looks like the waiver wire in a fourteen team fantasy league. I'm gonna read the names to you, Jalen Tolbert to two at well, Malik Washington, Caleb Douglas, Chris Bell, and you know Coleman, Kevin Coleman. Will you know, maybe have some optimism for Terrence Marshall Junior is out there. I mean, this is Jalen Rager. Jalen Rager still on. 00:48:53 Speaker 3: A roster, recently signed to the Miami Dollharasster, formerly the last Patriots player to wear UH number one. 00:49:02 Speaker 1: God So Eric Ericson talk to me about Miami here on the offensive side, because it looks pretty bleak. 00:49:09 Speaker 3: Were tight end one season, that is for sure, all right. People forget how good Greg Doltich was his rookie year. He will looked like a breakout sensation and then he got banged up, her bounced around from team to team. He's only twenty six years old. So he was good last year. 00:49:23 Speaker 1: It was great hair. I'll give him that great hair. 00:49:25 Speaker 3: Great after the catch last season again, only Tucker Craft was better for than Greg Dolcic on the yards after the catch per reception basis. So I think he can make some noise. And to be honest about the wide receivers, I don't think it really matters because this team under Bobby Slowick, what do they want to do? Run the football? They want to run. They want to run it with Willis, they want to run it. But exactly so, I don't think that I think that they're not adding receivers because this is the identity other offense. It's coming from the pack like coming from the Green Bay Packers, where did Green Bay do even though they had Jordan Love he was super efficient. What do they want to do? We want to establish run. We wanna feed Josh Jacobs as many carries as we can grind out some of these wins. And to think about it, how do you slow down and posing offenses because the defense is terrible. You've got to play bully ball. You've gotta be able to control the football on the offensive side, which, again, if

they can't run it, then they are screwed because the passing game is going to be aneemic. I do think it is fascinating though, the Willis projection and how the team can view it because Malik Willis based on he can basically play himself or play himself out of being the Dolphins quarterback at twenty twenty seven, because if he goes out, balls out makes them win a bunch of games they're not supposed to win. Well, it's like, sorry, you can't draft a quarterback because I played too good, right so and then and the Dolphins are like, great, We're glad that you're good, Like, we don't need to draft a quarterback. But then if he does terrible, it's like great, now we can draft a quarterback. So it's weird to view Miami as like kind of like a win win situation looking ahead to twenty twenty seven, because that's kind of how I feel like when we're talking about them in twenty twenty seven, it's going to be okay, like we figured out what Willis wasn't also two, because there are a lot of quarterbacks in the upcoming draft, and we'll figure out exactly where they kind of stack up after this college football season plays out. But maybe having Willis also makes it so maybe it'll be obvious depending on how he plays. But if he has like a pretty good season, maybe teams won't know if the Dolphins are going to be in the quarterback market for rookie or not. Maybe depends on which rookie quarterback they like, and maybe team will trade up with them wherever they're picking or something along those lines. 00:51:26 Speaker 2: The last six weeks are brutal, right this Looking at the schedule, the last six weeks are real bad. It's at New England at the end. Before that it's Buffalo, Los Angeles at the Packers, Chicago at Denver. But before that, you know, you play the Jets twice. You open up with the Raiders at San Francisco. Who knows what's going on with the Niners right now? You yet at Minnesota, there's always a coin flip Sincy. I don't know. There are some winnable games in here if you play well at all. It's just they're just a team. Or is this a six win team. I'm not sure I have an answer. 00:52:06 Speaker 1: For that, and I will tell you exactly what it is. But this is a team that hasn't won a playoff game since the year two thousand. Okay, just let that So it's there's been a generation of a literal generation of dolphinins who have never seen a playoff win. This is also the first time in a decade they haven't had a primetime game. So the NFL knows what they got. I think they have like something like eleven of their games or at one o'clock or something. That year was like this crazy thing was like, just get that Dolphins game out of the way, put it early, just just put it on there. Just let's not talk about it. Just bury it with all the other games at one o'clock. I'm not talking about anything else with the win total here because I'm not talking about by the way, in case you're curious to make the playoffs or the Dolphins plus twelve hundred just to make thee I mean that that to me is also certain that should be way higher of a number he'd be giving me, like, not high enough. That's what I mean. It should be plus three thousand. 00:52:56 Speaker 3: Willis can mean Milke. Willis has been really good in his limited sample size, like borderlines. 00:53:02 Speaker 1: Limited sample size was with the Packers, like okay, And I think it's a very hard grating curve to say Malik Willis can be good in this circumstance. I don't know if anybody can be good in this circumstance. 00:53:16 Speaker 3: I think that if, especially if can Going back to the receiver conversation, Chris Bell is a major wildcard here because what if he does come back and he's like, oh man, this is like a guy that should have been a first round pick, and then we call this offense. We view this offense really differently as oh wait, now Greg Dulcich is a guy. Oh, Chris Bell is a guy, and they already have a chance who's an established stud at the running back position. And then we go from this team has literally no weapons to okay. 00:53:41 Speaker 2: Like yeah. I mean, but to pass to Chris Bell, you have to have more than a half of Mississippi and that is where in lies the problem. I feel like for the Dolphins. The old line is, but he can make up. He can, He's buy time with his legs. You're right, Yeah, you're right. So, but you know, is Chris Bell starting leak one? Right? I just pointed out Chris Bell is a nice Yeah, he's a nice buy for rebuilding team right now because I think either he's going to by the end of the year. I think he's the number one for the Dolphins if they take Jeremiah Smith. Okay, great, all the coverage roles of Jeremiah Smith, now Chris Bell gets one on ones that he excels at. So I think Chris Bell could be a nice piece here and there are there are positives for the Dolphins. I think, like we said, you don't expect to win anything this year. The expectations are at the bare bottom. So if you win five games, that's going to be somewhat fine for the Dolphins in their fan base. It's next year, you know, you have to make the improvements this year. This year you have to trim the fat and next year is where you start. You know, you have a lot of picks, starting incorporating these picks and making this roster way better. The talent is on the field, it's never on the sideline. So you know, like you can hire the best coach in the history of the world to coach this Dolphins team and they're not making the playoffs. Bill Belichick can come back and be in his prime, and he's not taking this team to the playoffs. It's not happening. They could, they can start out. I want to know. 00:55:11 Speaker 1: The Kirk Cousins led Raiders, you guys, Yes, yeah, more accurate? All right? The win total for this team. I've already bet the under and it's actually favorite bet. Nope, Erickson, can I get one? Yeah, So I've already bet this. I think I think they're a three win team. 00:55:35 Speaker 2: I just do. 00:55:36 Speaker 1: I think this is a three win team at best. And I think if you look at it any other way, your nuts. Do you think. 00:55:44 Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins starts? 00:55:45 Speaker 5: Yeah? 00:55:46 Speaker 1: No, And I'll tell you why, because I think even with Kirk Cousins, there's enough on that Raiders team between gent and Bowers to make a player two that will be the difference in that game because that secondary is trash. I don't think they can stop anybody. 00:55:58 Speaker 3: So I think it will secondary against the all pro wide receivers in the Las Vegas Ranger, all Pro. 00:56:04 Speaker 1: Wide receivers of the I'm talking about the other guys too, that once those guys get into the second level, they're not gonna tackle anybody. They're not gonna stop anybody. Bronck Bowers, who is gonna eat up that group. What I'm telling you is this that I do think that if you, if you want to entice me to the Dolphins, cover that game. I'm listening. 00:56:21 Speaker 2: That guy has no faith in Dante Trader. Lonnie Johnson junior line. 00:56:25 Speaker 3: That's the line Week one, Dolphins at Raiders. 00:56:28 Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. 00:56:29 Speaker 1: I don't know. 00:56:30 Speaker 2: I gotta say which put it. I would say it's Raiders minus three and a half. 00:56:35 Speaker 3: Dude, should Kirk couzby three and a half point favorites against anybody? 00:56:38 Speaker 2: No, that's real question. 00:56:40 Speaker 1: Let's see we are quarterback Vegas first start. 00:56:43 Speaker 2: It might be two and a half. 00:56:45 Speaker 1: It is three and a half, Raiders three and a half. 00:56:51 Speaker 5: The Raiders at home, Raiders at home? Right now, there you go four camp injuries with the points we already got beds since oh. 00:57:05 Speaker 1: God, it is plus one seventy six on the money line. A lot of this is this is it? 00:57:10 Speaker 5: Uh? 00:57:10 Speaker 1: Subscribe to the tailgate, win yourself a jersey, drop your comments below. 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