Full Transcript for Jason Goff on why Barry Bonds' 73-HR Season Was Unlike Anything We've Ever Seen |10.27

dude was batting leadoff all those years, and then finally they put him at cleanup, and then he won three of the next four MVPs. They put him at cleanup. It was now everybody pay attention to Barry Bonds at 26 years old. That's when the gold glove started. That's when the MVP vote started. That's when he's leading the league in OPS Plus, leading the league in OPS Jets. Like, oh, no, he's the best player in the world. It's this guy right here. He transitioned from the Jerry Curl to the Jerry Box, right? Like a little Larry Blackman kind of situation that he had going there. You know, he was out there with the. 00:06:31 Speaker 3: I think his other brother in the Bay, Jerry Rice, tried to pull the Jerry box off, too, if I'm not mistaken. 00:06:37 Speaker 1: He did. 00:06:38 Speaker 3: He did. 00:06:38 Speaker 1: And Bonds was out here with the faith, the faith, the faith. Give me earrings. You know what I'm saying? 00:06:44 Speaker 3: So there are certain earrings I don't want no problems with. 00:06:48 Speaker 1: Okay? 00:06:50 Speaker 2: And this is from the old brother catalog. 00:06:52 Speaker 3: That hoop, that one hoop, you know it, brother, meant business. 00:06:56 Speaker 2: And any time I saw a dangly. 00:06:58 Speaker 1: I think Saquon tried to bring it back. He had the hoop with the cross because they had brought those back a couple years ago. And I was like, wow, we're doing that again, huh? 00:07:07 Speaker 3: I remember when I saw LT's, I'm like, all right, it must be okay. 00:07:10 Speaker 1: Well, LT's is different. LT wore that dangly LT earring. I don't think he ever stopped. I don't think he ever stopped. My brother used the hoop up in North Jersey. LT will pull up the hoop with the LT earring, and he said the LT would shoot from anywhere on the floor. LT gets the ball 40 feet away. He said, LT, put it up. And when he put it up, you know what he say? LT in the house? 00:07:34 Speaker 2: Hey, listen. 00:07:34 Speaker 1: Whenever you put up a shot. Not me. 00:07:37 Speaker 2: Who going to say something? 00:07:38 Speaker 1: Not me. 00:07:39 Speaker 2: Who going to say move that, LT? 00:07:41 Speaker 1: No. 00:07:42 Speaker 2: You know why? 00:07:42 Speaker 1: Because there was never no reason for LT to quit doing dope because the only problem LT had with dope was drug tests. Otherwise, that dope was not preventing LT from doing any of his other daily tasks. 00:07:55 Speaker 3: I appreciate a whole generation of players not being followers in that I saw someone dominate. 00:08:01 Speaker 2: The way that i saw laurence taylor dominate on on cocaine all the things. 00:08:06 Speaker 3: That they asking you to put in your body as a football player and this recreational drug can do to. 00:08:12 Speaker 1: Be fair there's a strong argument that that was a performance enhancing. 00:08:15 Speaker 2: Drug not to be fair. 00:08:20 Speaker 1: I mean, in the hands of Lawrence Taylor? Right. 00:08:23 Speaker 2: What? Hey, some of them games where

he showed up right. 00:08:26 Speaker 3: As the anthem was being sang, hey, his performance was enhanced because he got on his giddy-up and got his ass. 00:08:31 Speaker 1: In the stadium. 00:08:32 Speaker 3: L.T. 00:08:32 Speaker 1: Would have known. 00:08:33 Speaker 2: L.T. 00:08:33 Speaker 1: Quit and they'd be like, hey, man, we got to talk about this, bro. You don't have to. Don't feel like you got to do that for us. 00:08:40 Speaker 2: It's a real conversation. Some of the things that put you in that zone. 00:08:44 Speaker 3: Shit, right now, Bears fans are asking Jalen Johnson to watch porn again. 00:08:48 Speaker 2: You know? Things go left when you veer from who you truly are. It's your soul. 00:08:56 Speaker 3: And with Barry Bonds, speaking of people who you truly were, the. 00:09:00 Speaker 1: Thing with Bonds was one of the wildest things that ever happened is Barry Bonds won two MVPs in three years with the Pittsburgh Pirates, and they didn't even offer him a new deal. They would just roll out. They disliked him that much. Now, did Barry give a lot to dislike? Certainly. Did he give that much to dislike? 00:09:22 Speaker 2: No. 00:09:25 Speaker 3: This is the part where we get to the how he was covered and who was talking about him and who you could believe. Like, you ever hear somebody getting talked about by people you don't trust and you're like, is this true? Should I question it? For years, years and years and years, I always wondered. 00:09:44 Speaker 2: Was. 00:09:44 Speaker 3: Barry as big an asshole as everybody else was making him? Or did the man have control of the microphone and make it seem that way? 00:09:54 Speaker 2: And the answer probably is a little bit of this. 00:09:59 Speaker 1: Glow comment. this. 00:10:00 Speaker 2: No, no, no. 00:10:02 Speaker 1: I began to ask people I trusted and they sounded exactly like the white man. Every single one of them sounded exactly like that white man that I said I couldn't believe. 00:10:14 Speaker 2: Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. 00:10:15 Speaker 1: They was right there with the white man. 00:10:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you had Bobby as your pops and you had Dusty Baker as your godfather. Like, we all know we're children of the experiences before us. 00:10:29 Speaker 2: And with those two brothers. 00:10:31 Speaker 3: I don't imagine you really had, you know, you didn't suffer fools well coming out of that village. 00:10:38 Speaker 1: You left one out, the most important one. 00:10:41 Speaker 2: Oh, Willie. Willie Mays. 00:10:43 Speaker 1: And so Jeff, Jeff Pearlman's book, love me, hate me about Barry Bonds. It was a very interesting read. He makes the point that Willie taught Barry that stars are meant to be set apart. They, as the star, you could not be one of the guys that there was a, there was a certain aloofness that was required with being Willie Mays, with being Barry Bonds. So that was like part of the influence. On top of the fact that not only were those influences not suffering fools, Bobby Bonds, a little bit cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, if I'm being honest. A few stories in that book that are like, oh boy, this is a lot. Barry Bonds had a lot going on with him that turned into him being a great baseball player and One would argue, could argue, and many have argued, the man that saved baseball in San Francisco. They were getting ready to take the San Francisco Giants and to move them into that shithole in St. Petersburg, Florida that they have been trying to get out of for 30 years. They spent a decade or so trying to get somebody to move into it. Now they've been trying to get out of there forever. The Giants were going there. They signed Barry Bonds, 1993, the year of the last great pennant chase in baseball where it came all the way down to the end. with the Braves and the Giants. And Barry Bonds hitting 46 home runs and 123 RBIs in Candlestick Park is one of the unreal power-hitting seasons that anybody has ever had. Listen, let's slash for a minute. 00:12:13 Speaker 3: 336, 458, 677. Crazy. 00:12:14 Speaker 2: Crazy. 00:12:14 Speaker 1: With 43 intentional walks. I. 00:12:24 Speaker 3: I don't know in an individual sport if you can show fear more than pitchers had to show fear around the late 90s, early aughts when it came to Barry Bonds. I mean, we go forward in the 0-3 season where they have 112 intentionals when it was like, all right, guys, this is just ridiculous. 00:12:42 Speaker 1: It was 0-4 and it was 120. 00:12:45 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I took eight off there. 00:12:48 Speaker 3: Yes. 120 walks for a season is phenomenal. 120 times you come in the bat and people have been like, I don't even want it. 00:12:54 Speaker 1: One of the Diamondbacks who did it a couple of times that year. In 2000, I'll never forget that. They walked him with the bases, intentionally walked him with the bases loaded. the single most disrespectful thing that you can do to the people who bad behind you. 00:13:10 Speaker 2: Right. 00:13:11 Speaker 1: But before we get there though, I think it's important to note, even in those years where bonds is not winning the MVP led the league and wins above replacement in 95 in 96 and in 1998. And let's stop on that one right there in that book. Jeff Perlman relays a story that I've known Jeff for 20 years. All these things I'm inclined to believe that this story is true. There are people who are in this story that have denied it, but I also notice sometimes you got to do what you got to do. Barry Bonds hit 37 home runs and 122 RBI that year. He led the league and wins above replacement. Slash in 303, 438, 609. Led the league in intentional walks. Okay, right? Barry Bonds stood in a room. I think it was in Florida. It was with Ken Griffey Jr. I forget who else was there. But he says, per this telling, I had a great year this year. And nobody cares because 98 is the year that McGuire hit 70, and Sosa hit 65, and it was all about them. Nobody cares. And these guys are

juicing. And everybody knows they're juicing. It's obvious they're juicing. And I'm going to just do it, and we're going to see what happens. Now, per the telling of the story, Griffey was like, yeah, you got it, big dog. I'm not going down that road. But that's the telling of that story. That is making– it makes the 1999 season the first one where one might plausibly say that Barry Bonds was taking performance-enhancing drugs. I make the argument– And I understand why one would argue that this is shooting a man bail, but that's not really yet. I think this is the truth. The reason that you make performance enhancing drugs impermissible is to not put pressure on the rest of the guys that they have to do this in order to keep up. Now, did Bonds need to take performance enhancing drugs to compete? 00:15:19 Speaker 3: No. 00:15:20 Speaker 1: But did Bonds need to take performance-enhancing drugs to receive the credit that he believed that he deserved for being Barry Bonds? He was eighth in the MVP voting that year. Eighth and led the league in wins above replacement. 00:15:31 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:15:33 Speaker 1: To be treated as Barry Bonds is supposed to be treated, by that time, yeah, probably did need to do it. And then he did it. And the next year, in 102 games, 34 homers, 83 RBIs, because that's the year he hurt his back. 2000 is when this kind of sort of starts cracking. 143 games, 49 homers, 106 RBIs, 117 walks against 77 strikeouts, led the league in OPS +, which is adjusting OPS for ballpark effects, and did not win the MVP because they gave it to Jeff Kent, who had Barry Bonds hitting behind him. 00:16:19 Speaker 2: And also. 00:16:22 Speaker 2: They weren't the closest of pals, too. 00:16:25 Speaker 1: Well, neither were they the closest of pals. Neither of them was the nicest guy. 00:16:30 Speaker 2: Right. 00:16:31 Speaker 3: So the cost of doing business effect I find fascinating because... if you're talking about Barry Bonds in a room with. 00:16:39 Speaker 2: Ken Griffey Jr. 00:16:40 Speaker 3: By the way, Frank Thomas, who did this on a much more understated level, you go back to the Giambi MVP, where Frank was like, hey, y'all, y'all see. 00:16:50 Speaker 1: Anything different about what's going on there? 00:16:53 Speaker 3: I'm just out here getting 30 home runs, 100 RBIs, 100 walks every year. 00:16:57 Speaker 2: Like always. Hey, just being the greatest right-hand hitter of my generation. It's like Frank did it on the low. 00:17:03 Speaker 1: And I've always been this big. Right. 00:17:07 Speaker 2: Shout out to Auburn football. 00:17:08 Speaker 3: Right. He saw the guy in Sammy Sosa who went from like he was his nickname was the Panther. Like he was this sleek athlete that the White Sox traded out of their farm system to go, you know, send him over to Chicago to the Cubs for George Bell. And then he turned into what we saw. And the baseball has been Betty, Betty good to me stuff. And then also you've got Mark McGuire, who for years, the injuries kind of kept people off enough. 00:17:38 Speaker 1: He fell off because his first four years, he was the first player in major league history to hit 30 home runs his first four years. And then he couldn't hit his weight. And then all of a sudden it became like anything we'd seen. 00:17:51 Speaker 2: And Barry is sitting in the cut like. 00:17:54 Speaker 3: He had a Snoop Dogg at the Source Awards moment. 00:17:58 Speaker 2: He's like, wait a minute. You mean to tell me. 00:18:00 Speaker 3: MLB and fans ain't got no love for Barry Bonds and the West Coast? 00:18:04 Speaker 2: Well, let it be known then. And then he did whatever he had to do. I was always... So, so intrigued. 00:18:12 Speaker 3: By the fact that a sport that had made its bones on wink, wink, nudge, nudge, cheating and getting the upper hand and getting the advantage for generations. You know, we go back to amphetamines and greenies and special coffee pots and stealing signs. Like, we understand the culture of baseball. But when this thing happened, oh, you would have thought nothing. the gatekeeper's brains were being broken because he was taking things. 00:18:41 Speaker 2: That were so historic. 00:18:42 Speaker 3: And so, like, the numbers matter in that sport more than any other. So for him to do what he did in a four-year span from the time he looked at these cats who were being celebrated that couldn't tie his shoes in his mind, oh, yeah, he went on a madman tour. 00:18:56 Speaker 1: Well, let's get to... I think that some of the things that happened in that run... with other guys in the league can be kind of easy to ignore because it's so many of them that I don't think that people, as somebody who's from Houston, I always found it interesting that it is Bagwell who always had to deal with the allegations. Bagwell was hitting home runs off the rip coming into the league. He was always the one that had to deal with the allegations. In his late 30s, Craig Biggio becomes a center fielder and is now hitting a guy that was hitting single-digit home runs when he was young is now hitting 25 home runs. I don't care if it's because he went to a smaller ballpark or not. If we're just dealing with what it was on, like, just reading off the screen, and both of those guys got into the Hall of Fame, neither of them has been credibly accused by anybody. But we know... Bagwell's the one that had to shake the allegations Biggio had the list of red flags on his sheet. That guy was not in line with what it was that we were thinking about or what we were looking for. For me, I feel like everybody has a different season that they look at from that period and being like, hey, man, you guys knew what was going on for me. And for me, it is Brady Anderson hitting 50 home runs in 1996. 00:20:14 Speaker 2: Well, come on. 00:20:15 Speaker 1: That was the one. 00:20:18 Speaker 2: Look at that 0-1 season. Look at where Luis Gonzalez finishes in the MVP race. 00:20:23 Speaker 1: He had

57 home runs. 00:20:26 Speaker 3: 57. If you saw Luis Gonzalez early 90s, you're like, oh, you know, outfielder, slender build. 00:20:32 Speaker 2: All of a sudden, he turned into the ultimate warrior. 00:20:35 Speaker 3: Right? Shit. In the Giants lineup, you take a look at what Rich Aurelia did that year. Rich Aurelia had 37 home runs that year. I want you to guess how many seasons it took him after that 37 home run year to get 37 home runs again. It took him two and a half seasons, I think, to get 37 after that. Like, it was an understood, like, everybody in the game had one of those Mario mushrooms. 00:21:00 Speaker 2: And if you got the regular one or if you got the green one with. 00:21:02 Speaker 3: The fireballs, you would cook like Eric Gagné came out of nowhere and is saving games and spitting and throwing 100 miles an hour. Like, there were things that were happening in the game. The power-ups that were being had by so many players across the sport, it kind of made... And, of course, Barry, you know, and Sammy and Mark McGuire took the brunt of it. 00:21:23 Speaker 2: But Barry being the one. 00:21:25 Speaker 3: Who was the face of it because of the records that were being broken, everything in that game changed. 00:21:30 Speaker 1: And, you know. 00:21:31 Speaker 2: They marketed it as well. Chicks dig the long ball. 00:21:34 Speaker 3: Like, I remember these marketing campaigns that wouldn't have happened had it not been for Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire. But we kind of, I won't say let Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa off the hook, but the Barry thing still, it still resonates in a way where one of the game's greatest players will never, ever see the Hall of Fame because, you know, of the allegations. 00:21:59 Speaker 1: And he was so clearly reactive. Like, oh, it ain't no rules, huh? 00:22:03 Speaker 2: All right, then. 00:22:04 Speaker 1: Shit, it ain't no rules, right? Fine. 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Basically, every now and then somebody else might get in there, but it's just Barry Bonds. Segal season walk record, 177. Barry Bonds broke it. He had 107 extra base hits. His OPS plus was 259. That is 159% better than the average hitter. One of the greatest wins above replacement seasons that there has ever been. And what has happened historically with these home run chases is that guys run out of gas at the end. Like the thing about amphetamines and the difference, I think, between the way people receive amphetamine use and steroid use is is that people felt like amphetamine use was getting people back to level because they were grinding out this very, very difficult season, and it felt like steroids was taking cast to places that they never could get. That plus important thing with Bonds is that elbow guard that allowed him to then just stand over the plate, and it was absolutely like that. That's the one. If somebody wants to argue that about the elbow guard, all right, I got you. Just know you can't go there. Scott, this man hit, in the last 56 games, 393 with 31 homers and 59 RBIs. Remember, Reggie Jackson once had 39 home runs at the All-Star break, as Bonds did, and didn't even hit 50 that year. Didn't even hit 50. 00:25:46 Speaker 2: There was a stat that I saw that if. 00:25:49 Speaker 3: Babe Ruth, in his greatest home run hitting season, entered the final month of the season. 00:25:56 Speaker 2: Where Barry had his 73. 00:25:58 Speaker 3: He would have to go something crazy like 19 for 30 in the final few games to reach it. 00:26:06 Speaker 2: Like the way that he. 00:26:09 Speaker 3: Established, not only because I think he had, he had what, 60, 59 going into the final month or something like that and ended up with 73. Like it wasn't some, you know, a fait accompli thing. It wasn't where we were watching Aaron Judge a few years ago. 00:26:26 Speaker 2: Like, man, is he going to get to that? 00:26:28 Speaker 3: He was, he was tracking it down in a way in that final month that kind of, you know, It was astounding because nobody was... You have to get pitched to at a ridiculous amount to even sniff 50, then to get to 60, and then hit 73. 00:26:44 Speaker 2: Nobody

was pitching to him at this point. So he would only go... He would go games where he wouldn't see a pitch. 00:26:51 Speaker 3: He would go a whole series where he'd have two pitches to hit at all. And he would hit those two pitches for the series. 00:26:57 Speaker 1: And baseball was relevant in a much different way, man. ESPN is patching in on every Barry Bonds at bat. It had just gotten to be. And look, they had done that in 98 also with something McGuire and Sosa. But something was just different about this, man. And part of it was because Maguire had such a classic, like, home run hitter swing and, you know, the brawny paper towel guy, all this. It was bonds with that short, compact swing, right? The exact same swing that your baseball coach would tell you to have because the rest of you boys– Y'all wasn't going to be out here hitting home runs like that, right? Shorten up. Get the bat through the zone. Make it happen. 00:27:36 Speaker 2: Two-strike swings. Yep. 00:27:38 Speaker 1: Fonz is doing that. 00:27:39 Speaker 2: Two-strike B-hack. 00:27:39 Speaker 1: Fonz is doing that on every bat. And think about this. In July, he only had six. He had double-digit home runs in every other full month. July, he only had six. But listen to what he did do in July. 302 with a 492 on base percentage and a 651 slugging percentage. Yeah. Yeah. 00:28:03 Speaker 3: This was at the time, too, where wasn't the inflatable syringes were being thrown on the field like all all the things. It seemed as if it was San Francisco against the world, too, in a weird way where they were the. 00:28:14 Speaker 2: Only ones who were truly rooting in a in a. 00:28:17 Speaker 3: In a fan way for this, and then the gatekeepers and the baseball public outside and the teams who were getting their ass kicked by Barry Bonds and the Giants were like, no, no, we can't have this. 00:28:28 Speaker 2: This is sacrilegious. 00:28:29 Speaker 1: Well, this is my question, to be fair to everybody else. How would Bonds making this run have been received if 98 hadn't just been three years earlier, right? So let's say that Bonds was the one who did this in 98. And he wound up with 70 home runs. There is no McGuire. There is no Sosa. He breaks the Roger Maris record. Because by the time we got here, the Maris record had stood for longer than the Ruth record had stood on the front end. So let's say it goes that way. And that Bonds breaks 62. And we haven't had the feeling of seeing that happen before. And what happened in 98 was also doubly interesting because it was a race and you had the contrast between those two guys. You wound up with McGuire breaking the record with Sosa on the same field and then Sosa catching him. And then it going all the way until the end. Like even it remained compelling even after the record had been broken. So if Bonds had broken it first, I wonder if people would have received it a little different because there would have been a different novelty to it than there

was when we were like, shit, man, we just did this a little while ago. 00:29:44 Speaker 2: I think people hated him enough, though, right? 00:29:46 Speaker 3: Like, Sammy, until it wasn't cute anymore, was the cute, cuddly, you know, baseball player from Latin America, and he... I remember shortly after 9-11, he ran around the baseball diamond with the flag out. And, of course, Mark McGuire being, like you mentioned, the Paul Bunyan-esque. 00:30:09 Speaker 2: Figure in baseball. 00:30:11 Speaker 3: There were different affects and different dynamics to their not only personality, but what they look like, right? Barry never really seemed like he needed anybody to like him nor cared. So I think it would have been the same shit that came out to me. I think the same people who didn't like Barry for whatever reasons, he was touching something that only the gods of that sport who they had, you know, bowed down to for generations before had touched. So I think it would have been, I truly think he would have gotten the same scrutiny and the same respect Backlash, just from the simple fact that he wasn't this cuddly character that the other two guys were. I'm not saying that Mark McGuire was, but he even had the cute Bash Brothers thing going on in Oakland with him and Jose Canseco when we were watching two cats who were juiced out of their minds out there playing in Oakland, right? 00:31:05 Speaker 2: Underneath Tony La Russa. By the way, look at Tony's wins. I mean, top to bottom. 00:31:11 Speaker 3: It's like looking at Phil Jackson saying he never won without Shaq or Kobe or Michael or Scottie. Tony always had one of them boys on his roster throughout his career. So, you know, Barry just had a different vibe to him. I think it would have been the same, to be honest with you, if he would have done it first. I think those two dudes doing it in the manner that they did it kind of, I don't want to say softened the blow, but it made everybody aware, okay, this shit is going on, y'all. 00:31:39 Speaker 2: Instead of it being, oh, wait a minute, the. 00:31:41 Speaker 3: Guy that we have been kind of conditioned by him and by the outside forces not to like has arrived here now. 00:31:49 Speaker 2: I think it would have been the same. 00:31:51 Speaker 1: Something else I think that's interesting to consider about him in 01 is 9-11 is around this. Like he hits homers, I want to say, yeah, it was 60-61 and 62 on September 9th. 00:32:07 Speaker 3: Wow. 00:32:07 Speaker 2: Right? 00:32:07 Speaker 1: So that's Sunday. Tuesday is 9-11. We talk a lot about the different things that, you know, happen in sport after 9-11, like these things, you know, that brought us together as a country and showed us what sport could be. But, interestingly, this is never really put on the list as one of them. Like, this is a month, you know, not even a full month after all these things have happened and Barry Bonds has just broken the home run record. 00:32:34 Speaker 2: Man, I... I lean back on it. 00:32:37 Speaker 3: I don't think that there has ever been a greater figure in his or her sport that the sport has tried to consciously forget. 00:32:48 Speaker 2: And erase and speak against like this. 00:32:52 Speaker 1: Right. 00:32:53 Speaker 2: Like you can go you can go back to O.J. Simpson. Right. 00:32:57 Speaker 3: Where it's like, all right, let's take this Heisman out of here. Let's let's take these numbers down. Let's never let's never mention him when we talk about great running backs again. But I don't know that it's happened in that way. I think it's all part of it. The Barry Bonds PR collage that, you know, like you said, in a in a American history type of way. those moments weren't highlighted or even, you know, I haven't thought about it since you, you know, since then. You just mentioned in this, Him getting 61, 62, 63 in that short amount of time, in that time period, where we're talking about what sports mean to us and celebrating when George Bush goes out onto the mound with the bulletproof vest on underneath the jacket to throw a first pitch of the World Series. 00:33:44 Speaker 2: All that was going on. 00:33:45 Speaker 3: I don't think that anybody in their respective sport who has been truly a giant, no pun intended, like Barry Bonds, has been this consciously. 00:33:56 Speaker 2: wiped from history. I don't know that it's happening. 00:33:59 Speaker 3: And for it to be that stark a contrast in terms of greatest of all time, like his numbers, I mean, that season was one of the starts of it, but like his numbers are just ridiculous. 00:34:11 Speaker 1: I mean, I'd wind up every few years and I haven't done it in a long time and somebody would pop up and make the argument that Ken Griffey Jr. was just as good as Barry Bonds. And no, the best Ken Griffey Jr. season is an average Barry Bonds season. And that's not– that is like if you use war as the metric, the best Ken Griffey Jr. season is an average Barry Bonds season. And that is not an insult to Ken Griffey Jr. That's just what Barry Bonds was hitting on. And, again, a lot of that is even if you start removing those big years, right, if you start removing 2001 through 2004, you're still looking like, I'm going to check this out now. 00:34:51 Speaker 3: And Ken had the injuries– in the Cincinnati portion of that career, right? 00:34:56 Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, and he was still ridiculous. Don't get it twisted. But his body started breaking down. And, you know, Ken Griffey Jr. 00:35:05 Speaker 3: Is probably, you know, what, top four or five center fielder of that generation in terms of defensively. And then offensively, remember when 500 home runs was, you know, you hit 500, you was the man. 00:35:19 Speaker 1: 400 basically got you in. There were a couple of exceptions, like a Dave Kingman would pop up here and there, but that's why the steroids mess things up for people a lot, because gauging what these numbers means became borderline

impossible. But listen to this. Ken Griffey Jr. had two seasons above nine wins over replacement. 9.7 in 96, 9.1 in 97. Barry Bonds has got a 9.7, a 9.0, a 9.9, a 9.7, and that's before we get... to the 11-9, 11-7, 9-2, 10-6 that you get late. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's no shade to anybody here, man. 00:35:58 Speaker 2: Not at all. 00:36:00 Speaker 1: This was just something completely different. In the 01-04 race, it really was like watching a superhero because obviously the PEDs shroud what happened. But he wasn't the only one that was on him. Everybody else was on him. None of them were looking like this. He won the batting title twice in that run. A 370 and a 362. What? What? On base percentage, over 500 in those four years. The lowest slugging percentage in those four years was 749. My God. 00:36:37 Speaker 3: One of. 00:36:39 Speaker 2: Those years, he had 120 intentional walks. 00:36:45 Speaker 3: Just think too, this is the era of launch angles and not giving a shit about strikeouts. 00:36:51 Speaker 2: Can you imagine? in the late 90s or early. 00:36:54 Speaker 3: Aughts, if hitting coaches and baseball people around the game were like, hey, we don't care about them strikeouts. Like, Barry was embarrassed when he got 92 strikeouts in a year, or 90 strikeouts in a year. 00:37:06 Speaker 1: Listen to this. Can you imagine if. 00:37:07 Speaker 2: They was trying to hit home, he was trying to hit home runs? 00:37:10 Speaker 1: 2001, 177 walks and 93 strikeouts. 02, 198 to 47. 03, 148 to 58. And 04... 232 walks, 41 strikeouts. 00:37:26 Speaker 2: That 0-4 season. That is the shit where. 00:37:31 Speaker 3: You look at certain dudes and you got one of your homies who's got really good results with the ladies, shall we say. 00:37:39 Speaker 2: And you got the. 00:37:40 Speaker 3: Hater in the corner like, man, when is enough enough? 00:37:43 Speaker 1: You got to have all the girls, Marcus. That old 4C is like, all right, big dog. 00:37:55 Speaker 2: You proved your point. You know what I mean? Like, he's just sitting there throwing the damn towel. Like, you can't look. 00:38:01 Speaker 3: At anybody with 200 walks in the face and be like, hey, man, you cool? Like, do you not hate this game enough that you out here obliterating records like that? 00:38:11 Speaker 1: You've seen Greg Maddux talk about pitching to Bonds. 00:38:15 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:38:15 Speaker 1: Where he's like, yeah, it's the easiest thing in the world. You don't throw him anything. At all. 00:38:21 Speaker 2: At all. 00:38:21 Speaker 1: He's like, look, I got to get 27 outs. 00:38:24 Speaker 2: At all. 00:38:25 Speaker 1: This isn't wonderful. 00:38:26 Speaker 2: Not at all. 00:38:27 Speaker 4: Hey, the total basis for me is like point differential for you when it comes to NFL teams where I'm just like how many of these bitches you collected he has he had a 400 total base yeah I think he had maybe two but I'm sure 411 bases just walking around to your local park Cincinnati coming to you LA coming to you I am collecting these bitches one by one you can give me all four or you can give me that one I'm old. 00:38:58 Speaker 3: I'm long in the tooth now. I'm not stealing nothing. So if you give me the one, you know, hopefully. 00:39:02 Speaker 2: Richard really is. 00:39:03 Speaker 1: Plus a little heavier than it used to be, you know what I'm saying? I can't really move around like. 00:39:07 Speaker 2: That no more. 00:39:08 Speaker 1: I wonder what that's about. 00:39:09 Speaker 2: That was the thing, dog. His head turned into a piano. You want to. 00:39:14 Speaker 3: Look at, like people are like. 00:39:18 Speaker 2: Look at how he filled out his uniform. It was ridiculous. 00:39:20 Speaker 3: I remember the first time that they, Ray Rattle and the boys got it got their glint first glanced at him after that training it was a spring training of uh like 2000 and like look at the way his jersey is fitting him something's not right here i'm like to hell with that you ain't never seen a brother go from a seven and five age fitted to an eight and a quarter. 00:39:40 Speaker 1: In your life in your life all he was missing was the braces that was the only thing he was missing like that's the thing about it back in the day man like reporters gotta be honest with themselves and I don't know what they were supposed to do necessarily cause you can't just come out here and be like look at him it's obvious but at the same time look at him it's obvious right like it was all these dudes all the I wish I would've said something I know you do and if this same shit happen again you do the exact same thing cause you can't just come out there and say it It's just they thought they got McGuire when they caught him with that andro in the locker. And that was light work. That was light work. 00:40:22 Speaker 2: That's Advil now. 00:40:24 Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. And he had his boys at Balco ready to hold it down. Chris Carter. I forgot. I forgot about Greg Anderson. I forgot about Greg Anderson. And that was the other thing, too. I already gave. Did you ever read Game of Shadows? 00:40:39 Speaker 2: I did not. 00:40:40 Speaker 1: I read Game of Shadows is a really interesting read in part because it lets you know baseball's done a good job. But it was like there's always more money in the dope than there is in catching them. 00:40:49 Speaker 3: Right. 00:40:49 Speaker 1: The incentives for them to keep up are always different. And so you just read it and you were like, oh, they'll always they'll always be a step behind who the guys were. But the thing is, I think I can't remember if it was on a Perlman's book or Game of Shadows, but they're like, yo, him and Greg Anderson wasn't even that cool. And Greg Anderson was willing to go to, that's a first about a whole boy hall of famer. He was willing to go to jail before he told on Barry Bonds. 00:41:10 Speaker 2: I'll put some money on your books. You're going to go to a camp. So it

ain't going to be, you know, Jim pop. You feel me? You ain't going to have, you know, the, the, the Lord do this. Did he issues? Right? Like you ain't going to be in there slanging a bang. Hey, we'll send you some, put a little something on your books. 00:41:26 Speaker 1: And then when you get out, you ain't got to do nothing. 00:41:29 Speaker 2: But go to that bank account. 00:41:30 Speaker 1: That's it. 00:41:30 Speaker 2: That's it. 00:41:31 Speaker 1: Welcome home. Welcome home, baby. Welcome home. 00:41:35 Speaker 3: And when Avon get in the car, you pick me up in this shit right here. 00:41:39 Speaker 2: No, no, no. We got a sweatsuit and an Escalade in the parking lot for you, player. Thank you so much for your service. 00:41:45 Speaker 1: But I can't explain to people what the level of excitement was around. No matter how it was that people felt about him, you could not take your eyes off what it was. You just couldn't. And I think it was helpful for him in baseball also because despite the way that people felt about him, baseball is assessed so quantitatively. That hating became borderline impossible because they are ruled by numbers. 00:42:10 Speaker 3: Not in this city. Hating was hating ran rampant. And I, I still to this day, you know, there's a tinge of the schism, and then it became a heaping helping of the schism. 00:42:27 Speaker 1: Where you're like, hey, y'all, you know you're getting very close. 00:42:31 Speaker 3: To saying some very wild things about a sport, right? Like, baseball holds people in a way that other sports don't. So when people are deemed to be cheating or not playing it fair, and then on top of it, those same people are giving you their ass to kiss, oh, my God. It was raining fire. And you also had Cubs fans who were forced to hate Sammy Sosa in a way because it's like, oh shit, he's one of these guys too. 00:43:01 Speaker 2: They already hated Mark McGuire. He went to St. Louis, the Cardinals thing. 00:43:05 Speaker 3: This city especially, I heard some very, very interesting things said about a dude who, you know, hey, if he's not as cuddly as you want him to be, that's fine. But he's walking with the gods of your sport and no taking it back. Do you know it was up until about four years ago where people were still, Aaron Judge had to come out and be like, hey, y'all, the single season record is 73. Like, we don't have to do this goofy shit where we're talking about 61 is the real record. And, like, that was the first time I had really heard Asterisk talk in sports. 00:43:33 Speaker 1: You know how they did it. the american league record right that's how they did it the american league because that's the other thing too is that the american league had always been the superior offensive league even prior to the advent of the designated hitter like all those guys way up there were american league players and both mcguire and bonds and so i mean get those those in there too They were doing this in the National League, which was a bit uncommon. But the Sosa comp to Bonds is kind of where I want to wrap this because I think it is interesting. The Cubs turned their back on Sammy Sosa in a way that. I don't think they got nearly enough hell from people out of town because they put it basically on the fact that he didn't show up for fan appreciation day. I don't like his family. I got like fan appreciation day is like armistice day. Like it's something like it's a national holiday, right? Like, come on, man. Um, but he got the hell for that. And then, and this is, I thought was absolutely racist was the hell he got for taking the interpreter with him to Congress. At which point Sam made, Sammy made the right point. He's like, I learned English on the street, uh, They talking about throwing people in jail. No. I'm bringing somebody who does this for real. Imagine if he got caught up like Mark McGuire got caught up. I don't want to talk about the past. 00:44:58 Speaker 2: Right? Rafael Palmeiro. 00:44:59 Speaker 1: Rafael Palmeiro, lying ass. Put that finger out there. Roger Clemens, I'll never forget. Roger Clemens asked them people to have a hearing so that it appeared he could lie to them. It appeared, not saying he did, because that has not been legally proven. However, there's required a suspension of disbelief. And he asked them to set the whole thing up for him to come in there. Sammy was like. 00:45:29 Speaker 2: Tell them in English that I don't know what the hell's going on. 00:45:32 Speaker 1: Right, there will be no confusion here about what this is. But the Cubs have like, they basically required Sammy to give some sort of apology to the Cubs. 00:45:42 Speaker 2: Dude. 00:45:43 Speaker 1: And then let him come back around. 00:45:45 Speaker 3: A whole bunch of slimy shit that went on for a long time. 00:45:50 Speaker 2: And when Sammy, you know. 00:45:51 Speaker 3: Because these dudes, when the spotlight goes out, it gets dark for real. Sammy had to come back. 00:45:55 Speaker 1: Sammy didn't get dark. Sammy got the opposite of dark. 00:46:01 Speaker 2: Hey, that speaks to a. 00:46:03 Speaker 1: Sammy, are you okay? So, Sammy, are you okay? Are you okay, Sammy? 00:46:06 Speaker 2: That speaks to a. 00:46:07 Speaker 3: Whole different identity issue and politics in the diaspora that the homies in the Dominican. 00:46:14 Speaker 1: And the Venezuelan can deal with. Sammy is out there motherfucking looking like Mr. Whitehose from Pips Up, Hose Down. Sammy had the dirty to wear the pink that one time. 00:46:21 Speaker 2: The Count Chocula. Yeah, Sammy, baby. 00:46:23 Speaker 1: Come on, dog. Don't do this to me right now. 00:46:27 Speaker 2: And Sammy had people in his clubhouse turn on him. Remember, they smashed his boom box. 00:46:31 Speaker 1: They did. 00:46:32 Speaker 2: For years, we were like, was it Mark Grace? Was it Kerry Wood? 00:46:35 Speaker 3: He had people turn on him inside of that clubhouse that he made so much money for and made the

Chicago Cubs a relevant national product. 00:46:44 Speaker 1: People loved Sammy. 00:46:47 Speaker 2: Loved Sammy. 00:46:47 Speaker 1: That year that Bonds hit 73, Sammy hit 64. 00:46:49 Speaker 2: He had to hop. He had the kiss. He had the celebration. 00:46:58 Speaker 1: Baseball been very, very good to me. 00:46:59 Speaker 2: Very, very good. 00:47:01 Speaker 1: He had that down, down. By the way, that might be the most influential or the most repeated Saturday Night Live line of all is baseball been very, very good to me. 00:47:13 Speaker 2: Man, that time, that time. 00:47:16 Speaker 3: And meanwhile, like I said, my man Frank Thomas is on the south side. Like, hey, what is it going to take for a brother with big bones to just get. 00:47:23 Speaker 2: Some respect around here? You know what I mean? 00:47:26 Speaker 1: I've been this side. 00:47:27 Speaker 2: Since I was five. 00:47:28 Speaker 1: Two-time MVP. 00:47:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, like you notice nobody came after Frank because Frank was always like, hey, you know who ain't cheating? This guy. 00:47:37 Speaker 1: Frank, like, I'll pull it out right now. Let's go. Give me a cup. I'll whip it out. Boom. 00:47:42 Speaker 2: Right now. You know what I mean? Now, what are we testing for? You know, I had a long night last night. What are we testing for? But on top of it, ain't no PDs coming this way. Nah, man. 00:47:54 Speaker 3: Sammy was adored until he wasn't adored. And then the people who caught him on the downslide, They got their just due. They got their quarter blood out of them. 00:48:08 Speaker 2: The quarter blood technique from traded places. 00:48:10 Speaker 1: So right fast, I'm going to tell a Frank Thomas story, and then I'm going to bring up why I brought up Sammy Sosa. All right. So doing Highly Questionable. And when Highly Questionable really started to really catch on, people would be so excited to come on and talk to Papi. The idea they could talk to Gonzalo would light them up. I listened to Orlando Skandrick. trying to talk to papi about rap it's one of the weirdest things i've ever seen papi you heard the new kodak black new kodak black papi you heard that and i'm like oh shit he really thinks what's going on here he really thinks that papi just be riding around with top down bumping uh the blazing hip-hop and rb wow this is crazy um so anyway frank thomas was so excited about papi being off And Poppy's, you know, classic Poppy questions. Poppy's like, Frank, tell me about your romantic side. And Frank's like, Poppy, wherever you say, I'm there. You want to see my side? I'm wherever you are. And he's like, no, no, no, your romantic side. Because Papi's not the most progressive man. He's like, no, no, no, your romantic side. He's like, I want to be wherever you are. 00:49:27 Speaker 3: Papi's like, I don't... Two people just speaking past each other. 00:49:31 Speaker 1: I don't think you heard me, big dog. And I remember, I can't remember if it was me or Dan that's like, hey, man, we need to just... We need to keep this going. Yeah, yeah, because I don't know. A rain delay, something. I don't know what's happening. I don't know if Frank Thomas knows what he's saying, but I know what Papi is hearing because it's the same thing I'm hearing, and it's about to get weird. How the hoes treat me, Frank. 00:50:01 Speaker 3: That's what it needed to turn to. 00:50:02 Speaker 1: It needed to turn to something else. Because he's just trying to get next to... He just want to hang out with Poppy. He's just trying to get next to Poppy. Poppy right here with the arm bar. This is the question for entrance right here. No, no. Romantic. Romantic. Like with girls. No, no, no. There's another story. I wasn't there for it. And I'm not going to give the name. But... They were asking something like, again, a classic Poppy question. Like, who's the first girl, the first time you kissed a girl or something like this? And his interview never aired. But the guy was obviously someone who didn't kiss girls. And he's getting a little tight. And Poppy's, no, no, no, tell me about this. He's going for it. 00:50:58 Speaker 2: I want to know. 00:50:58 Speaker 1: And the dude's trying to get out of it. And they said that the producer was in the office not really paying attention. And then he got a whiff of what was going on. Breaks into control room. Abort! Abort mission! 00:51:11 Speaker 2: Abandon ship! You can see him diving for the button. 00:51:13 Speaker 1: Yes, abandon ship. That is the time Dan kept going too far with Mike Tyson. I was like, hey, Mike, appreciate you, big dog. Thanks for coming through, right? Like sometimes somebody else has got to hit the button. 00:51:25 Speaker 2: You might have to run into him. 00:51:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, hey, I didn't have to do that twice. Twice with Mike Tyson. Once on the radio, once on TV, where it was clear that Mike was not having it. And I was the only, I don't know why. What was Mike going to do? 00:51:38 Speaker 2: I don't know. 00:51:38 Speaker 1: But I decided that I was not going to be a party. 00:51:42 Speaker 3: Have you seen this recent Mike Tyson video where he is surrounded by children and he's taking pictures with them. 00:51:49 Speaker 2: And one of the kids starts to throw water in the air and all shit stops. Mike is like, hey, hey, hey, no more of that. 00:51:57 Speaker 3: And you see 30 children who are probably 12 years or younger just all stop. 00:52:03 Speaker 2: And in the comments, I saw someone said, this. 00:52:06 Speaker 3: Is like having a wild tiger at a kindergarten classroom. 00:52:09 Speaker 2: Todo es posible. 00:52:12 Speaker 1: But now to loop it back to where you brought up Sammy Sosa. Yeah. Chicago turned their back on Sammy Sosa. San Francisco did no such thing. That jersey is retired. 00:52:31 Speaker 2: Come be a part of the coach. 00:52:33 Speaker 1: I mean, he comes back. He gets his standing ovations. He saved baseball in San Francisco. It

was going to take a lot more than some juice for them. They're like, no, what juice? No idea what you're talking about. They're going to build him a stadium? I mean, excuse me, a statue in front of the stadium? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. San Francisco was not going to be shamed into turning their back on him. None of it. Again, what the Cubs did was so, especially considering how sorry they'd been, Forever. There was no World Series at that point. When they went to the playoffs in 98, I want to say that was the first time they'd been there since 89? 00:53:15 Speaker 3: It was the first time they had been there since 89. And when Dusty arrived, his two years were the first back-to-back winning years in franchise history. 00:53:29 Speaker 2: So if you want to get upset. 00:53:34 Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt. No doubt. 00:53:35 Speaker 3: Him, Jock Jones, Latroy Hawkins, any brother who wasn't with the program, hey, you'll be out. 00:53:42 Speaker 2: Of there soon. And then, you know, we get this new version of Cubdom. 00:53:45 Speaker 3: But nah, Sammy and Barry and Mark will always live in my, you know, early professional life because I was 21. 00:53:53 Speaker 2: I just started doing this. So like that season in 01 was like my first little glimpse. 00:53:58 Speaker 3: Of, oh, This is what happens when scandal meets greatness meets America's pastime all at once. 00:54:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I just love how San Francisco was like, nah. 00:54:07 Speaker 2: Nah, we staying down. He with us. You're right. 00:54:10 Speaker 1: We staying down. 00:54:12 Speaker 2: You kidding me? 00:54:14 Speaker 1: We staying down. 00:54:15 Speaker 2: We got the 49ers and this group. 00:54:17 Speaker 1: You think we going to lose one of them? 00:54:19 Speaker 2: Toes down. 00:54:22 Speaker 3: Nah, and go out to the bay and talk shit if you want to and find out you'll get hit with a block of sourdough fucking around. 00:54:29 Speaker 2: Nah, nah. 00:54:31 Speaker 1: My favorite random Barry Bonds appearance. I don't know if you've seen this. So for those who are unfamiliar, there is a television show on TV one called Unsung. It's kind of like behind the music for black people. Do you know what unsung I'm about to talk about? 00:54:47 Speaker 3: I don't know which one, but I love, I didn't know I needed the after seven unsung on a Saturday at 10 a.m. 00:54:53 Speaker 2: In the morning. You know what I mean? 00:54:54 Speaker 1: For reasons that I do not understand, Barry Bonds is in the unsung for Johnny Gill. Barry Bonds, friend. He just, he apparently, he and Johnny Gill, because I don't know what music I thought Barry Bonds listened to, but I didn't really imagine Barry Bonds running the Slow Jams. However, I really didn't expect him to be listening to the rap, and I don't think he's out there listening to ACDC, so the Slow Jams would be what he would listen to. But yeah, it's Barry Bonds, friend, just in the Johnny Gill unsung. The Johnny Gill unsung at the end has a

whole section that's about, I mean... Whenever I saw Johnny, it was always women around. It goes into the whole block. It's just, I don't know what you heard, but Johnny was out here making it happen. 00:55:49 Speaker 2: And all you had was Poppy on the side. 00:55:52 Speaker 1: Yes. What is your romantic side like? Johnny Gill's like, I'm glad you asked. 00:55:58 Speaker 2: I got a long earring, too. 00:55:59 Speaker 1: How did we never see no pictures of Johnny Gill and Barry Bonds? They ain't get out nowhere. Nothing like that. It's out of nowhere. Barry Bonds. And I want to know, did Barry Bonds call them? Did they call Barry Bonds? How did they know this? But that's the last. That's just Barry Bonds. 00:56:16 Speaker 2: He just pulled up. 00:56:17 Speaker 3: Hey, hey, before you, let me set the record straight on my man, Johnny Gill, before y'all go any further. 00:56:23 Speaker 2: Where's my seat? This is a man who did not want to do media, by the way. No, no, no. 00:56:28 Speaker 1: He's like, all these guys, they finally do a media now that, you know, they got to do it every day. Right, right. 00:56:34 Speaker 3: And most of the people who covered them have died. 00:56:36 Speaker 1: That is correct. 00:56:37 Speaker 3: Like a lot of these old baseball cats are no longer with us. So he can peek his head out every once in a while. They have that Marlins run where he's the hidden coach where everybody blames everything on him. 00:56:46 Speaker 1: It was hitting home runs and batting practice. 00:56:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, nah, he going to always be that dude, man. 00:56:52 Speaker 3: It's the greatest athlete that we don't talk enough about, I think, in sports history. 00:56:58 Speaker 1: He had a great name, too. Barry Bonds. 00:57:01 Speaker 2: Oh, come on, man. 00:57:02 Speaker 1: All-time great sports day. 00:57:04 Speaker 2: All-time great sports day. Anytime Wesley Snipes can play you in a movie, you know. That's right. 00:57:09 Speaker 1: That was in The Fan. 00:57:10 Speaker 2: The Fan. Yeah. They made Benito Santiago look like a hater. You know what I'm saying? 00:57:15 Speaker 3: They made him look like Barry Bonds had Benito Santiago killed in. 00:57:19 Speaker 2: The shower in The Fan. 00:57:21 Speaker 1: Remember? 00:57:22 Speaker 2: Robert De Niro and all that. Yeah. 00:57:24 Speaker 1: Also, Wesley Snipes, such a bad athlete that. The white boys was faster than him in Major League, and they had to slow all the shots down of him running because he wasn't actually fast and his character was fast. 00:57:35 Speaker 2: Well, all I needed to see was white men can't jump to be like, oh, okay. 00:57:39 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:57:40 Speaker 2: Okay. You see Woody Harrelson's jump shot, and you go, okay. One of these guys hooped. 00:57:47 Speaker 1: On that note, that's Jason Goff. Check him out. 312 Sports. Check him out. Jason Goff, unscripted. My brother, I appreciate you. 00:57:55 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, man, as always. 00:57:57 Speaker 1: All right, man. And ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on The Right Time. We do this four days a week. Ryan Brumley handling everything behind the scenes. Thank you, sir. Hit the voicemail line, 323-596-7767. And remember, follow The Right Time. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. And we'll talk to you guys in a couple of days. Take it easy.