Full Transcript for Interview: They Silenced COVID Dissent — Now AI Decides Truth

00:03:19.949 court rules on something, that amends the Constitution. I certainly 73 00:03:19.990 --> 00:03:22.090 don't agree with that. But I was kind of wondering, 74 00:03:22.110 --> 00:03:24.759 you know, what is the deal? Certainly, Trump has a 75 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:28.060 great disdain for free speech and for free press if 76 00:03:28.099 --> 00:03:31.319 it disagrees with him. I mean, he's out there calling, 77 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:34.240 just in the last couple of days, calling for the 78 00:03:34.259 --> 00:03:39.500 New They talked about the size of his crowd. And 79 00:03:39.539 --> 00:03:42.400 he's gone after people on Fox News for saying that 80 00:03:42.419 --> 00:03:44.740 the crowd was smaller than he thought it was. So 81 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:46.960 I think all of this really kind of ties in 82 00:03:46.979 --> 00:03:49.520 a lot to what's going on with AI. Who is 83 00:03:49.580 --> 00:03:52.919 the authority for truth? Who gets to decide what that is? 84 00:03:53.259 --> 00:03:55.180 I think that's a very dangerous thing. And I think 85 00:03:55.539 --> 00:03:58.120 that is really a totalitarian bent. 86 00:03:59.949 --> 00:04:01.909 Yeah, I lost you a little bit there, David. I 87 00:04:01.930 --> 00:04:03.990 lost the connection for a couple seconds, if you have 88 00:04:04.030 --> 00:04:08.189 me now. Yeah, AI is an interesting animal. I wonder, 89 00:04:08.289 --> 00:04:10.449 you know, you kind of equate that. I was talking 90 00:04:10.469 --> 00:04:13.229 to Rudy Giuliani the other day about the Cornell issue. 91 00:04:13.270 --> 00:04:14.460 And he goes, you know, it's kind of funny how 92 00:04:14.469 --> 00:04:17.360 you let Cornell police themselves and the investigators are just 93 00:04:17.379 --> 00:04:20.720 supposed to accept what they're given and equate that to AI. 94 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:22.060 It's kind of the same thing. We're going to let 95 00:04:22.100 --> 00:04:25.600 them self-regulate. Who's in charge if they screw up at 96 00:04:25.660 --> 00:04:30.329 that point? But while they're regulating, what do we do 97 00:04:30.389 --> 00:04:33.069 about China? What do we do about North Korea? What 98 00:04:33.110 --> 00:04:35.889 do we do about– think about if Iran had the 99 00:04:35.910 --> 00:04:39.920 capability to use AI and surpass us with that capability. 100 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:42.019 What would they do with it? Of course, their motto 101 00:04:42.100 --> 00:04:45.279 is death to America. So us putting guardrails on this 102 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:48.120 technology I don't think is a great idea. But we 103 00:04:48.170 --> 00:04:51.430 should be aware of what's coming on. People were worried 104 00:04:51.470 --> 00:04:54.050 about the railroads. People were worried about, you know, when 105 00:04:54.089 --> 00:04:56.410 the automobile came out. I think that's as much of 106 00:04:56.449 --> 00:04:58.810 the same fervor that we're seeing from the public, who's 107 00:04:59.149 --> 00:05:01.970 the unknown is a little bit more scary than, you know, 108 00:05:02.029 --> 00:05:03.370 the actuality of what it is. 109 00:05:03.810 --> 00:05:06.149 But isn't it interesting that, as Trump is saying, if 110 00:05:06.209 --> 00:05:09.490 you are pushing back against this and resisting it, you're 111 00:05:09.529 --> 00:05:12.250 actually on China's side. And, you know, these people are 112 00:05:12.470 --> 00:05:17.120 basically starting to equivocate people to being some kind of terrorists. 113 00:05:17.139 --> 00:05:18.839 And same thing we saw in the Biden administration when 114 00:05:18.860 --> 00:05:22.920 they said, if you're pushing back against the DEI and 115 00:05:22.939 --> 00:05:24.939 the CRT that we're trying to ram down your throats, 116 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:28.370 then you are domestic terrorists. I think there is an 117 00:05:28.490 --> 00:05:33.009 ongoing bipartisan push to start to label, over the top label, 118 00:05:33.490 --> 00:05:35.870 anybody who opposes their narrative. And that's what I think 119 00:05:35.889 --> 00:05:38.670 is really dangerous. But the logic of it, I mean, 120 00:05:38.889 --> 00:05:43.870 this fear campaign is really coming from the AI companies themselves. 121 00:05:43.889 --> 00:05:47.060 I mean, there's been a grassroots campaign against data centers 122 00:05:47.139 --> 00:05:50.779 because of noise and water and electricity usage and many 123 00:05:50.819 --> 00:05:53.279 other issues like that. But, um, you know, they're not 124 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:55.420 really looking at, I think the key issue is how 125 00:05:55.459 --> 00:05:57.240 is it going to be used in terms of surveillance? 126 00:05:57.300 --> 00:06:00.410 But when you look at, uh, the AI stuff, it's 127 00:06:00.449 --> 00:06:02.449 the same guys who are telling us that it's going 128 00:06:02.470 --> 00:06:05.170 to be this godlike intelligence and we should be afraid 129 00:06:05.189 --> 00:06:08.670 there's a certain percentage, maybe 10% chance that it's going 130 00:06:08.689 --> 00:06:12.050 to destroy all of humanity. And then when some people 131 00:06:12.069 --> 00:06:14.750 start to take them at their word, we're considered to 132 00:06:14.769 --> 00:06:17.009 be the fear mongers, I guess, when we talk about that. 133 00:06:18.730 --> 00:06:20.389 Yeah, I always look at where the messaging is coming from. 134 00:06:20.430 --> 00:06:22.370 If Bernie Sanders is going to try to tell me something, 135 00:06:22.790 --> 00:06:25.350 I immediately think the opposite. So when these guys are 136 00:06:25.370 --> 00:06:27.529 trying to tell us that there's doom and gloom, and 137 00:06:27.550 --> 00:06:31.829 if you think about what that means, put that in actuality, 10%, right? 138 00:06:31.939 --> 00:06:34.120 I mean, if there was a 1% chance that a 139 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:36.000 meteor was going to hit the earth and destroy all 140 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:38.079 life on the planet, we'd be sending Bruce

Willis up 141 00:06:38.100 --> 00:06:40.170 there to dig holes and try to blow it up 142 00:06:40.230 --> 00:06:43.149 before it, you know, before it did anything nefarious to 143 00:06:43.170 --> 00:06:44.930 the earth. But when you look at these guys saying 144 00:06:44.949 --> 00:06:47.089 there's a 10% chance I'm going, that just seems a 145 00:06:47.089 --> 00:06:49.670 little too far fetched to me. Look, I know that 146 00:06:49.709 --> 00:06:52.389 everybody's freaked out about it. I know that everybody's worried 147 00:06:52.430 --> 00:06:55.170 about it. I've seen it in good use. Everybody's worried 148 00:06:55.189 --> 00:06:56.850 about the jobs it's going to take away. I think 149 00:06:56.870 --> 00:06:58.810 it's going to create more jobs in the long run 150 00:06:58.860 --> 00:07:02.139 for people. And look, I don't have any proof of that, 151 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:06.439 except that, again, I go back to every other advancement 152 00:07:06.500 --> 00:07:09.560 in technology and in the industrial revolution and what people 153 00:07:09.579 --> 00:07:12.100 were worried about. And you can see that it worked 154 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:13.220 out just fine for us. 155 00:07:13.620 --> 00:07:16.220 Well, I agree. But it seems to me, and I've 156 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:18.019 been saying this for a while, I remember back in 2012, 157 00:07:18.019 --> 00:07:21.220 there was a study in South Korea and they said, well, 158 00:07:21.259 --> 00:07:24.600 we think by 2030, it's going to take X percentage 159 00:07:24.699 --> 00:07:28.250 of jobs in these different professions. And even at that time, 160 00:07:28.490 --> 00:07:31.670 they were looking, I thought they were pretty accurate in hindsight, 161 00:07:31.689 --> 00:07:35.870 especially because they were looking at the knowledge professions as 162 00:07:35.889 --> 00:07:38.860 being the hardest hit. lawyers, doctors, that type of thing, 163 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:41.860 less of an impact on people who are doing physical, 164 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:47.079 mechanical things and construction. And so when you look at that, 165 00:07:47.620 --> 00:07:49.000 and one of the things that I would talk about 166 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:50.829 is the fact that this is something that we've not 167 00:07:50.949 --> 00:07:53.870 seen before. We've seen a lot of technological disruption in 168 00:07:53.910 --> 00:07:57.629 certain areas, but this is not only from top to bottom, really, 169 00:07:57.670 --> 00:08:01.069 but it's also broad, very broad in terms of its impact. 170 00:08:01.649 --> 00:08:03.850 And I guess what really troubles me about it, George 171 00:08:03.889 --> 00:08:06.149 Gilder has, I've talked about this on my show many times, 172 00:08:06.170 --> 00:08:10.509 George Gilder labeled the Silicon Valley people as neo-Marxist. And 173 00:08:10.689 --> 00:08:13.990 his rationale for that was, he said that the Industrial Revolution, 174 00:08:14.509 --> 00:08:16.949 the idea that Karl Marx had was that we had 175 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:20.579 unlimited material capability. And you hear that same stuff from 176 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:23.819 a lot of the advocates in Silicon Valley for this stuff. 177 00:08:24.100 --> 00:08:25.860 And so Karl Marx said, well, we just need to 178 00:08:25.899 --> 00:08:28.060 make sure that we can redistribute it. They wind up 179 00:08:28.100 --> 00:08:30.600 redistributing it to themselves. And I think we can really 180 00:08:30.660 --> 00:08:33.860 see that with the intellectual property aspect of it. The 181 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.690 intellectual property aspect is I think a very Marxist approach 182 00:08:37.710 --> 00:08:40.009 that they've taken in terms of, well, now we will 183 00:08:40.029 --> 00:08:43.039 be the ones to distribute all the intellectual property and 184 00:08:43.059 --> 00:08:46.580 we'll take a cut of everything that is there. And clearly, 185 00:08:46.620 --> 00:08:49.200 when we look at universal basic income, that's just flat 186 00:08:49.259 --> 00:08:54.480 out communism, I think. Don't know, what do you think 187 00:08:54.500 --> 00:08:54.700 about that? 188 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:56.279 I totally agree. And my wife's been talking about that too. 189 00:08:56.320 --> 00:08:58.860 She's like, what is Elon talking about? You know, I 190 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:01.879 don't think it's, I gotta defer to Elon. I would 191 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:03.750 love to know where his thought process mold is coming 192 00:09:03.779 --> 00:09:05.909 from on this, because I guess you could expound on, 193 00:09:05.950 --> 00:09:07.769 he's a brilliant guy, don't get me wrong. I mean, 194 00:09:07.789 --> 00:09:10.070 you think about where this goes in the future. You 195 00:09:10.110 --> 00:09:13.269 mentioned like medicine and lawyers. You know, I'm in law 196 00:09:13.289 --> 00:09:16.330 school now. We use a lot of AI processes in 197 00:09:16.629 --> 00:09:20.570 LexisNexis and things like that to pick apart cases and 198 00:09:20.590 --> 00:09:22.450 to look cases up. It makes life a lot quicker. 199 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:26.389 Excuse me. Hasbro. does the same thing my wife was 200 00:09:26.429 --> 00:09:28.879 just telling me the doctors got rid of the scribes 201 00:09:28.909 --> 00:09:31.419 now because ai can do all that which is amazing 202 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:33.580 so you're right about certain jobs but i think it 203 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:36.399 might open up other jobs in other areas as far 204 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:39.870 as universal basic income it's interesting to hear that to 205 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:42.990 me i i immediately like you said scream tech you 206 00:09:43.009 --> 00:09:45.330 know communism right off the bat you know how does 207 00:09:45.350 --> 00:09:48.250 that work you know it just it really it immediately 208 00:09:48.309 --> 00:09:50.610 sounds like the old ussr or what they're doing in 209 00:09:50.649 --> 00:09:52.529 china

right now and i can't kind of get wrap 210 00:09:52.549 --> 00:09:55.159 my head around where Elon's going with this. I'd love 211 00:09:55.179 --> 00:09:58.570 to hear a full seminar, a dissertation on that to 212 00:09:58.590 --> 00:10:01.500 kind of understand it. And what timeframe, David? Is it, 213 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:04.259 you know, people hear that when Elon says that and 214 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:05.840 they think, well, why should I go to work if 215 00:10:05.860 --> 00:10:08.299 this is coming like now in my lifetime? Is he 216 00:10:08.340 --> 00:10:10.679 talking about now in the next 10 years? Or is 217 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:12.720 he talking about, you know, a thousand years from now? 218 00:10:12.740 --> 00:10:15.179 I'd be interested to know what his basis is for that. 219 00:10:15.350 --> 00:10:16.549 Well, he had a taste of that, didn't we, in 220 00:10:16.549 --> 00:10:18.669 2020 when everybody got locked down and then we get 221 00:10:18.690 --> 00:10:21.070 a stimulus check on it. And people got used to 222 00:10:21.110 --> 00:10:23.789 that pretty quickly. That was always a criticism that many 223 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:26.149 of us had was that if you just give people 224 00:10:26.220 --> 00:10:27.500 money and tell them to stay home, they're not going 225 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:30.039 to go to work. And, uh, so people are very 226 00:10:30.100 --> 00:10:31.559 happy to do that. Yeah. 227 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:36.360 And, and so, you know, and they still are. 228 00:10:36.679 --> 00:10:36.899 Yeah. 229 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:37.399 Yeah. 230 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:39.179 When you, when you look at that, you know, constantly 231 00:10:39.220 --> 00:10:42.620 handing out money to people and telling them to stay put, 232 00:10:43.139 --> 00:10:46.879 we saw when Michael Bloomberg was running, he, he, um, got, uh, 233 00:10:47.590 --> 00:10:50.990 uh hectored by people on the right because he insulted 234 00:10:51.029 --> 00:10:53.009 farmers and certainly he did he said anybody can do 235 00:10:53.049 --> 00:10:54.509 that kind of stuff and it's like well there's a 236 00:10:54.549 --> 00:10:56.730 lot more to it than you may think uh they've 237 00:10:56.750 --> 00:10:59.029 got to wear a lot of different hats but what 238 00:10:59.070 --> 00:11:00.929 he was saying in the context he was talking about 239 00:11:00.950 --> 00:11:03.570 the agrarian versus the industrial revolution he said we got 240 00:11:03.610 --> 00:11:05.529 rid of the farmers and then we got people working 241 00:11:05.549 --> 00:11:07.789 at factories anybody can do that he said now the 242 00:11:07.850 --> 00:11:10.269 smart ones of us are figuring out how we're going 243 00:11:10.289 --> 00:11:13.389 to take everybody's jobs and keep them from coming after 244 00:11:13.470 --> 00:11:17.179 us with guillotines And so that is really where I 245 00:11:17.220 --> 00:11:19.970 think the universal basic income stuff is. And it's kind 246 00:11:19.990 --> 00:11:22.110 of interesting to me that Elon Musk was there at 247 00:11:22.169 --> 00:11:25.549 the very beginning. That was when Andrew Yang was running. 248 00:11:25.570 --> 00:11:29.110 That was his entire platform initially. And he got a 249 00:11:29.110 --> 00:11:31.570 million dollars from Elon Musk. To my knowledge, that was 250 00:11:31.610 --> 00:11:34.000 the first time he got in the political process in 251 00:11:34.019 --> 00:11:36.620 a big degree. And it was there to push universal 252 00:11:36.659 --> 00:11:38.940 basic income. Now, he likes to say it's going to 253 00:11:38.980 --> 00:11:43.700 be a universal high income, but. I don't know. And 254 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:44.960 that's not the way it worked out when we got 255 00:11:44.980 --> 00:11:48.000 the stimulus checks, was it? No. 256 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:49.840 And when you saw, and when I was worried about 257 00:11:49.860 --> 00:11:51.779 what Yang was proposing, I think it was a thousand 258 00:11:51.799 --> 00:11:53.779 dollars a month per family or something like that, or 259 00:11:53.820 --> 00:11:55.929 per person. You know, when you do that, all you do, 260 00:11:56.009 --> 00:11:58.970 you know what the definition of inflation is. It's more 261 00:11:58.990 --> 00:12:00.990 money chasing too few goods. So all you do is 262 00:12:01.029 --> 00:12:03.250 when you throw more money into the economy, if everybody 263 00:12:03.289 --> 00:12:05.970 has that, everything just goes up naturally. I don't think 264 00:12:06.009 --> 00:12:08.679 people really understand that, you know, most, and we've gotten 265 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:10.500 away from that because most people, if you talk to 266 00:12:10.519 --> 00:12:13.080 kids now about You know, just econ 101, how much 267 00:12:13.220 --> 00:12:15.019 money is in the budget, where money comes from, where 268 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:17.480 our tax dollars go. They just think that the government 269 00:12:17.539 --> 00:12:19.659 is big brother and can pay everything off and print 270 00:12:19.700 --> 00:12:23.909 more money. And while, you know, I mean, there's a certain, 271 00:12:23.929 --> 00:12:26.309 you know, honesty to that for a kid who's just 272 00:12:26.350 --> 00:12:28.289 looking at the basics of it. When you dig into 273 00:12:28.309 --> 00:12:30.490 the weeds and you understand that it's our money and 274 00:12:30.529 --> 00:12:33.649 when you understand inflation, this universal basic income to me 275 00:12:33.789 --> 00:12:36.399 really doesn't make sense, at least in the way we 276 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:38.960 run in our capitalist society and how the country was founded. 277 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:41.820 So I don't know where he's going with that. But Elon, 278 00:12:41.860 --> 00:12:44.379 to me, I mean, he's supporting Republican candidates. He's gotten 279 00:12:44.419 --> 00:12:45.909 away from the left. I think a lot of that 280 00:12:45.929 --> 00:12:50.029 started when people

started burning down his Teslas. Or maybe 281 00:12:50.070 --> 00:12:53.730 he just came to a revelation about politics and when 282 00:12:53.769 --> 00:12:56.250 he started getting the fervor from the left. But when 283 00:12:56.629 --> 00:12:59.370 I hear that, it does make my ears perk up 284 00:12:59.429 --> 00:13:01.690 and wonder, I said before, where he's really going to 285 00:13:01.730 --> 00:13:02.149 go with this. 286 00:13:02.620 --> 00:13:04.860 You know, when I look at the chances that it's 287 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:06.820 going to destroy humanity, what I look at are things 288 00:13:06.860 --> 00:13:10.799 like the autonomous killer robots. autonomous drones and things like that. 289 00:13:10.899 --> 00:13:12.970 Now that has the capability of doing it. I don't 290 00:13:13.009 --> 00:13:16.090 believe that it's going to turn into a godlike intelligence, 291 00:13:16.169 --> 00:13:19.070 but that is the issue. How is it going to 292 00:13:19.090 --> 00:13:21.750 be used as a tool and who gets to use it? 293 00:13:21.820 --> 00:13:24.379 And to me, this whole idea that it's so dangerous 294 00:13:24.860 --> 00:13:27.059 that only a few people should be allowed to develop it, 295 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:29.500 only a few people should be allowed to have access 296 00:13:29.539 --> 00:13:31.720 to it. I've seen that game before and I know 297 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:34.549 what that is. It is a cartel that is trying 298 00:13:34.649 --> 00:13:39.600 to keep their their advantage over even domestic competition, not 299 00:13:39.629 --> 00:13:44.399 just China, but over anything, I think. What do you think? Yeah. 300 00:13:44.419 --> 00:13:46.389 And I apologize. We're having a little bit of a, 301 00:13:46.379 --> 00:13:48.179 I got you, but we're having a little bit of 302 00:13:48.220 --> 00:13:50.100 an in and out on the connection issue. But it's 303 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:51.940 funny you said that Jake Paul, and I'm not a 304 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:53.950 Jake Paul fan, but he came out, I guess it 305 00:13:53.970 --> 00:13:55.590 was a week or two ago. There was a headline 306 00:13:55.950 --> 00:13:57.610 that I read that he said, we need to go 307 00:13:57.669 --> 00:14:00.029 further with the second amendment because you need to give 308 00:14:00.070 --> 00:14:03.190 people access to, you know, rocket launchers and lasers and 309 00:14:03.230 --> 00:14:06.100 things like that. Because When you think about the Second Amendment, 310 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:09.000 it was there to protect us from a tyrannical government. 311 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:12.299 When a tyrannical government has drones, like you mentioned, and 312 00:14:12.350 --> 00:14:14.529 all this technology, what am I going to do with 313 00:14:14.590 --> 00:14:17.409 my 9mm and my carbine? I mean, he had a 314 00:14:17.509 --> 00:14:19.649 point that kind of made me think a little bit. 315 00:14:20.110 --> 00:14:22.620 I was watching a series a lot of people watch 316 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:26.259 on Paramount Plus called Lioness. They're in the third season 317 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:29.820 this year. In the first episode, I guess they're in Ukraine, 318 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:33.889 and they're surrounded by drones, thousands of war drones that 319 00:14:33.929 --> 00:14:37.330 are just flying around and they're exploding on impact. And 320 00:14:37.370 --> 00:14:40.570 that's happening now. It wasn't just sci-fi we were watching. 321 00:14:40.590 --> 00:14:43.169 This is going on in Ukraine. So when you think 322 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:45.659 about that, and if somebody wanted to take over, well, 323 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.399 if a tyrannical government wanted to use that technology on 324 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:51.570 its people, We're pretty much defenseless at this point. So 325 00:14:51.710 --> 00:14:54.870 I worry about that. I worry about AI, but I 326 00:14:54.929 --> 00:14:57.470 don't live my life worrying. I talk about it and 327 00:14:57.509 --> 00:14:59.559 report on it more than I sit here worrying about it. 328 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:02.259 But it is interesting where we're going. And if you 329 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:05.519 theorize out where that could go in the future, it 330 00:15:05.620 --> 00:15:09.200 could pose an existential threat to not only humanity, but 331 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:11.519 our country here as a whole and what we all 332 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:11.919 hold dear. 333 00:15:12.370 --> 00:15:14.590 Oh, I agree. And my son, Lance, who's here doing 334 00:15:14.610 --> 00:15:18.169 the board right now, in the past, he said, you 335 00:15:18.190 --> 00:15:21.149 look at all this fear and loathing about ghost guns 336 00:15:21.250 --> 00:15:23.870 and 3D printers. He goes, I think they're coming after 337 00:15:23.909 --> 00:15:25.210 that because they want to make sure we don't print 338 00:15:25.250 --> 00:15:27.320 our own drones. He said, I think that's really what's 339 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:31.879 down the road. They're not worried so much about individual 340 00:15:31.940 --> 00:15:35.840 guns as they are about drones being turned into IEDs, 341 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:41.620 flying IEDs. I guess that'd be fine. Yeah. They actually 342 00:15:41.659 --> 00:15:44.039 would be fried. But, yeah, when you look at what's 343 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:46.779 going on in Ukraine, the way this is advancing very rapidly, 344 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:50.299 I mean, it really is like the trench warfare right 345 00:15:50.340 --> 00:15:54.029 now of World War I. It's just horrific. People hunker down. 346 00:15:54.049 --> 00:15:56.029 They can't move. And, you know, if you move or 347 00:15:56.049 --> 00:15:59.070 especially move at night, these things hunt you down. And 348 00:15:59.110 --> 00:16:01.850 we've seen the video feed of that hunting people down. 349 00:16:01.909 --> 00:16:04.710 It's like some kind of a nightmare sci-fi from The 350 00:16:04.789 --> 00:16:07.960

Outer Limits or Twilight Zone or Terminator. You know, when 351 00:16:07.980 --> 00:16:10.850 you look at these drones. Wars that are going on 352 00:16:10.870 --> 00:16:14.289 right now. I think people, especially when we look at 353 00:16:15.809 --> 00:16:18.330 the Pentagon, I think they're taking war way too casually 354 00:16:19.070 --> 00:16:21.409 because we're at a situation right now, an inflection point 355 00:16:21.809 --> 00:16:24.309 where I think everything's going to change and change very rapidly. 356 00:16:24.669 --> 00:16:27.590 And that means that the massive advantage that we've had 357 00:16:28.090 --> 00:16:30.649 in terms of conventional weapons is just going to be 358 00:16:30.870 --> 00:16:32.029 removed very quickly, I think. 359 00:16:34.169 --> 00:16:36.899 Yeah, and that does concern me because when you see 360 00:16:36.980 --> 00:16:41.000 how quickly, how exponentially this technology is advancing, the way 361 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:44.240 we thought of war even five years ago is dramatically 362 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:47.870 different today. I was watching the other day where the U.S. 363 00:16:47.950 --> 00:16:51.610 Navy was using infrared lasers to shoot down some of 364 00:16:51.649 --> 00:16:55.850 their drones and missiles. And it's amazing the technology. My 365 00:16:55.889 --> 00:16:58.029 father worked on it. My father was DOD for 35 years. 366 00:16:58.980 --> 00:17:02.299 had seven patents on lasers, but I'm talking 30, you know, 367 00:17:02.299 --> 00:17:04.980 30 years ago to watch the advancements of where they 368 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:07.509 were back then with lasers and night vision to where 369 00:17:07.549 --> 00:17:10.269 we are today. It does concern me that in the 370 00:17:10.329 --> 00:17:12.849 next five, but that's why I worry about countries like Iran. 371 00:17:12.890 --> 00:17:15.369 That's why I, I kind of, I applaud president Trump 372 00:17:15.390 --> 00:17:17.150 for doing what he's doing. If he, and look, I'm 373 00:17:17.170 --> 00:17:19.369 going to defer to the administration. If they have more 374 00:17:19.529 --> 00:17:22.650 intelligence than I do, of course, as to what's going 375 00:17:22.750 --> 00:17:25.029 on over there and what their capabilities of everybody's worried 376 00:17:25.069 --> 00:17:27.700 about gas prices right now. And, And who knows? It 377 00:17:27.980 --> 00:17:30.210 could be a double-edged sword. I don't know. But if 378 00:17:30.269 --> 00:17:34.210 they have intelligence that Iran is developing rapidly or still 379 00:17:34.250 --> 00:17:37.230 trying to pursue this nuclear agenda, it does worry me 380 00:17:37.289 --> 00:17:39.650 that they would use it in a nefarious way because 381 00:17:39.890 --> 00:17:40.950 they haven't proven otherwise. 382 00:17:40.970 --> 00:17:42.730 Well, it worries me that they would lie about all 383 00:17:42.779 --> 00:17:45.740 that stuff. And my concern about it is that when 384 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:49.339 we

look at these different issues out there, I think 385 00:17:49.380 --> 00:17:53.180 that as things are developing very rapidly, we've enjoyed a 386 00:17:53.220 --> 00:17:55.410 situation here in the United States where since the middle 387 00:17:55.430 --> 00:17:58.609 of the 20th century, where we can have coups, we 388 00:17:58.630 --> 00:18:01.029 can start wars, and we can be involved in them, 389 00:18:01.089 --> 00:18:03.109 and we don't have to worry about any repercussions because 390 00:18:03.150 --> 00:18:05.789 nobody could touch us. I think those days are rapidly 391 00:18:05.829 --> 00:18:08.470 coming to an end, and I think it is reckless 392 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:12.519 to be engaging and initiating force against other countries. I 393 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:16.099 think it's just the utmost folly, but it also concerns 394 00:18:16.140 --> 00:18:20.640 me because it tells us something about the values, the 395 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:23.180 morality of the people who are leaders. If they are 396 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:27.849 going to engage and initiating wars when we are not attacked. 397 00:18:28.329 --> 00:18:30.710 I think this whole idea of preemptive war to me 398 00:18:30.829 --> 00:18:33.430 is just anathema. I cannot accept any of that. 399 00:18:34.349 --> 00:18:36.509 Yeah. I had a guy on my show not that 400 00:18:36.549 --> 00:18:39.150 long ago who's, well, he's not, he's not in favor 401 00:18:39.170 --> 00:18:40.869 of what we're doing now, but he said, I wonder, 402 00:18:41.329 --> 00:18:42.970 you know, if we couldn't just do what we did 403 00:18:43.019 --> 00:18:44.819 last year, you know, if you still have the nuclear 404 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:47.119 capability coming, just fly a couple of planes in there, 405 00:18:47.180 --> 00:18:50.259 midnight hammer, you know, knock the capability back to the 406 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:51.940 stone age. And then, you know, we'll see you next 407 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:55.470 year type thing. So, you know, the verdict is out whether, 408 00:18:55.490 --> 00:18:57.710 you know, if people are going to agree or disagree 409 00:18:57.750 --> 00:18:59.759 with this war. I think the gas prices is going 410 00:18:59.779 --> 00:19:02.220 to lean people in the former, not the latter. Or 411 00:19:03.740 --> 00:19:05.859 I should say the latter, not the former. But when you, 412 00:19:05.940 --> 00:19:08.640 you know, I look, I don't want any wars. We 413 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:12.359 voted for this president because he said no, no forever wars. 414 00:19:12.740 --> 00:19:15.690 He didn't say no new wars. So, you know, I 415 00:19:15.730 --> 00:19:19.220 wonder what information. That's kind of like George H.W. 416 00:19:19.259 --> 00:19:22.259 Bush when he said no new taxes. And then somebody 417 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:24.640 else joked about that and said, yeah, you really meant 418 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:31.329 no new taxes. That's what it was. No, we're going 419 00:19:31.349

--> 00:19:33.150 to have wars and we're going to have lots of them. 420 00:19:33.670 --> 00:19:35.869 It really does disturb me. And of course, I think 421 00:19:35.910 --> 00:19:38.710 really when we look at the one of the key 422 00:19:38.750 --> 00:19:40.910 threats to us, I think it's coming from this this 423 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:43.740 long drug war that we've had going on for half 424 00:19:43.779 --> 00:19:47.339 a century. And while we were guarding the poppy fields 425 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:50.859 and while we were creating the crack cocaine epidemic. we 426 00:19:50.900 --> 00:19:53.380 now have to go into, and none of that worked 427 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:56.779 because it really is at heart, I think, a spiritual issue. 428 00:19:57.240 --> 00:19:58.980 And I don't think it's something that they're going to interdict. 429 00:19:59.019 --> 00:20:00.819 And I think we've got 50 years of history showing 430 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:02.880 that they can't stop it by force. But now we're 431 00:20:02.900 --> 00:20:04.380 at the point where we've got a lot of people 432 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:08.980 who are supporting preemptive strikes and Fatal strikes and killing 433 00:20:09.019 --> 00:20:11.599 people for things that, if they were arrested, would not 434 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:14.230 carry the death penalty. And I think when we look 435 00:20:14.250 --> 00:20:16.549 at what is happening, again, getting back to the drones, 436 00:20:17.289 --> 00:20:20.230 did you see the reports about the fact that they 437 00:20:20.250 --> 00:20:24.109 have found a lot of these fly-by-wire fiber optic drones 438 00:20:24.710 --> 00:20:27.980 in Mexico near the border? And the drug cartels have 439 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:30.460 a lot of money. And if they're going to initiate 440 00:20:30.500 --> 00:20:32.400 a war with them, a physical war with them, I 441 00:20:32.420 --> 00:20:34.960 think we're going to start to see that type of 442 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:37.859 thing happening here in America. I wouldn't be surprised if 443 00:20:37.900 --> 00:20:42.759 that was the gateway into that type of warfare in 444 00:20:42.779 --> 00:20:44.720 the United States, the drug issue there. 445 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:49.890 Yeah, it's possible. I do see the deaths, though, in 446 00:20:49.930 --> 00:20:52.450 this country with fentanyl. And, you know, we have been doing, 447 00:20:53.390 --> 00:20:56.029 we went from just saying no in the 1980s to now, 448 00:20:56.109 --> 00:20:59.150 you know, we're flying drones in and out of countries 449 00:20:59.170 --> 00:21:02.549 to try to stop, fight the drug war. I I 450 00:21:02.650 --> 00:21:05.309 see too many people, especially in my area. I mean, 451 00:21:05.349 --> 00:21:07.869 my wife sees it at the hospital every day where 452 00:21:07.910 --> 00:21:10.519 somebody is affected by the fentanyl issue. And I don't 453 00:21:10.539 --> 00:21:13.119 think people realize how dangerous that stuff is. So if 454 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:16.000 we sit back and do nothing, are we also complicit 455 00:21:16.140 --> 00:21:19.130 in letting our people die because of that? So, It's 456 00:21:19.170 --> 00:21:21.299 a double-edged sword, David. It's kind of the thing. It's 457 00:21:21.339 --> 00:21:22.359 a tough decision whether. 458 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:23.839 But you know, Mike, when I look at it, I 459 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:25.619 remember when they were talking about Hillary care and they 460 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:27.140 wanted to take over healthcare and I would go to 461 00:21:27.180 --> 00:21:30.079 these meetings and they were being held by a Democrat congressman. 462 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:32.519 So everybody there was pretty much for it except for me. 463 00:21:33.180 --> 00:21:35.720 And when I spoke against it, they said, well, it's 464 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:37.680 an awful, we've got all these problems with healthcare and 465 00:21:37.700 --> 00:21:39.019 they didn't list them off. And of course we've got 466 00:21:39.059 --> 00:21:41.480 problems with anything that we look at. And they said, 467 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:43.140 something's going to be done. I said, well, you might 468 00:21:43.180 --> 00:21:45.009 want to take a look to see if what you're 469 00:21:45.029 --> 00:21:49.210 doing is throwing a bucket of gasoline onto the fire, 470 00:21:49.650 --> 00:21:52.529 or if we're actually throwing water or some fire retardant 471 00:21:52.670 --> 00:21:54.549 on it. And I think when we look at our 472 00:21:54.549 --> 00:21:58.329 50 years of drug issue, to me, the fentanyl stuff 473 00:21:58.930 --> 00:22:01.970 is an underscore of the failure of that approach. And 474 00:22:01.990 --> 00:22:03.690 I think we need to look at the only people, 475 00:22:03.710 --> 00:22:06.269 the only programs that I've seen that have been effective, 476 00:22:06.289 --> 00:22:08.490 and they've been very effective in terms of 80%, 90% 477 00:22:08.490 --> 00:22:11.369 of the people getting off of drugs have been the 478 00:22:11.470 --> 00:22:15.640 ones that have been focused on morality, focused even You know, 479 00:22:15.660 --> 00:22:18.650 more explicitly as Christian or if they're looking at something, 480 00:22:18.690 --> 00:22:23.130 let's say even like Alcoholics Anonymous, where it's a vague upper, 481 00:22:23.230 --> 00:22:27.049 higher power or something like that. But to me at heart, 482 00:22:27.549 --> 00:22:30.710 it is a personal issue and it is a sickness 483 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:33.380 in our society that's not going to be solved by force. 484 00:22:37.029 --> 00:22:40.009 Yeah, I mean, look, I don't I don't love the argument, 485 00:22:40.029 --> 00:22:43.589 you know, that the Alcoholics Anonymous argument that it's a disease. 486 00:22:43.910 --> 00:22:45.910 I don't love that argument. You know, I don't I 487 00:22:45.950 --> 00:22:48.319 go back to caveman times where I'm like, where was 488 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:50.259 a

caveman who was addicted to alcohol? You know, it 489 00:22:50.299 --> 00:22:52.599 wasn't around, you know, just wasn't to me. I look 490 00:22:52.619 --> 00:22:54.539 at a disease as more of a systemic like a 491 00:22:54.579 --> 00:22:56.680 cancer or something like that. But when you when you 492 00:22:56.720 --> 00:22:59.359 have when it's floating around, I mean, you have I 493 00:22:59.380 --> 00:23:01.190 have cops. I used to be a police officer. I 494 00:23:01.210 --> 00:23:03.750 have cops who handle this stuff, who just touch it wrong. 495 00:23:03.789 --> 00:23:04.930 And the next thing you know, they got to be 496 00:23:04.990 --> 00:23:07.809 Narcan and they're rushed off to the hospital. It's gotten 497 00:23:07.869 --> 00:23:10.829 to the point where it's gotten, I think, beyond our control. 498 00:23:11.130 --> 00:23:12.990 So we need to do something different than what we're 499 00:23:13.009 --> 00:23:15.950 doing now. I don't know what the antithesis of that 500 00:23:15.970 --> 00:23:17.890 though is, David. Do you just let it go? Do 501 00:23:17.930 --> 00:23:20.170 you not address it at all? And because we have 502 00:23:20.210 --> 00:23:22.470 a mental health issue in this problem, we have a 503 00:23:22.650 --> 00:23:24.670 huge addiction issue in this problem. We just kind of 504 00:23:24.690 --> 00:23:27.059 let it go. I mean, I don't want to see 505 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:31.259 kids get exposed to some of this stuff by accident. 506 00:23:31.619 --> 00:23:33.339 And then all of a sudden you're either addicted or 507 00:23:33.380 --> 00:23:37.579 they're dying just because they took something that they didn't. Look, 508 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:40.299 drugs to me, and as a former police officer, I 509 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:41.859 saw a lot of it. We would do a lot 510 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:43.539 of arrests for drugs. And a lot of times we 511 00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:46.480 were only arresting the lowest person on the totem pole. 512 00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:48.740 We weren't actually working our way up the chain. That's 513 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:51.160 where you see the FBI. That's where you see all 514 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:54.140 these other agencies go after these drug cartels or at 515 00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:56.460 least try to get the kingpin in the area. But 516 00:23:56.759 --> 00:23:59.079 I've seen it do a lot of damage. I was 517 00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:02.049 lucky enough to grow up clean. I never did a 518 00:24:02.089 --> 00:24:04.509 drug in my life, which is great. But I see 519 00:24:04.569 --> 00:24:07.069 kids get addicted to some of this stuff that's just 520 00:24:07.710 --> 00:24:09.150 by happenstance sometimes. 521 00:24:09.930 --> 00:24:12.430 I agree. Yeah, I just go back. I constantly go 522 00:24:12.450 --> 00:24:15.269 back and look at the alcohol prohibition, for example. It 523 00:24:15.309 --> 00:24:17.170 didn't last nearly as long as this. I mean, what 524 00:24:17.190 --> 00:24:20.240 was that, maybe a decade? And we've got two constitutional 525 00:24:20.259 --> 00:24:22.420 amendments about that. Where's the constitutional amendment for any of 526 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:24.799 these drug things? To me, that is one of the 527 00:24:24.859 --> 00:24:31.640 big red flags that we have destroyed our constitution. We've 528 00:24:31.700 --> 00:24:34.210 corrupted police and courts because, again, there's a lot of 529 00:24:34.250 --> 00:24:36.210 money in it. And so you've got a lot of 530 00:24:36.349 --> 00:24:38.309 people who will look at that and say, hey, if 531 00:24:38.769 --> 00:24:41.410 somebody chooses to do that, they're going to get it somewhere, 532 00:24:41.430 --> 00:24:43.250 so I'll just look the other way. It's a real 533 00:24:43.289 --> 00:24:46.170 temptation when you're trying to regulate vice like that. And 534 00:24:46.250 --> 00:24:49.630 when we go back and look at, the alcohol experiment 535 00:24:49.710 --> 00:24:54.470 and that prohibition, what did it do? It created these gangs, 536 00:24:54.609 --> 00:24:56.730 and now we've got cartels that are much worse than anything, 537 00:24:56.769 --> 00:25:00.480 like Al Capone. And then it also created more intense 538 00:25:00.579 --> 00:25:03.220 forms of what they were trying to prohibit. They wound up, 539 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:06.059 when it started, it was more popular for people to 540 00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:08.779 drink wine and beer, but then it quickly went to whiskey. 541 00:25:09.059 --> 00:25:10.940 And I think when you look at these very intense 542 00:25:11.099 --> 00:25:14.680 drugs that we've got, even marijuana, from my understanding, has changed. 543 00:25:15.069 --> 00:25:18.369 I'm somebody else who grew up clean without drugs, so 544 00:25:18.390 --> 00:25:21.109 I don't really know. I don't have a reference point here, 545 00:25:21.150 --> 00:25:23.670 but from what I've heard from the people who claim 546 00:25:23.690 --> 00:25:28.569 that they know, marijuana has been intensified in terms of 547 00:25:29.529 --> 00:25:32.069 the power that it has as a drug. That is 548 00:25:32.109 --> 00:25:35.049 just a logical consequence, I think, of prohibition, along with 549 00:25:35.069 --> 00:25:38.809 the corruption in government and the destruction of the rule 550 00:25:38.829 --> 00:25:39.210 of law. 551 00:25:40.809 --> 00:25:43.690 Yeah, but what is the answer to that, David? Is 552 00:25:43.710 --> 00:25:46.119 it regulation? I'm not a regulation guy. I'm more of 553 00:25:46.130 --> 00:25:49.950 a I'm a constitutional conservative that leans kind of more libertarian. 554 00:25:49.990 --> 00:25:52.269 So I'm not, I don't like government regulation. I want 555 00:25:52.309 --> 00:25:54.369 government out of my life. I want a government so small. 556 00:25:54.869 --> 00:25:56.410 I don't know what's there, but I mean, we do 557 00:25:56.470 --> 00:25:59.240 have an inherent problem. Uh, so, you know, is it, 558 00:25:59.349 -->

00:26:02.630 is it regulation where we're regulating the marijuana market now? 559 00:26:02.710 --> 00:26:05.059 And I don't know much about, I don't, I'm not 560 00:26:05.099 --> 00:26:07.279 a pot smoker. And so it's, you know, I, when it, 561 00:26:07.299 --> 00:26:08.980 when it got regulated and you know, you hear, oh, 562 00:26:09.019 --> 00:26:11.000 it's bringing in all this money for different States, but 563 00:26:11.019 --> 00:26:13.220 now everybody seems to just have a pot card or 564 00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:16.279 whatever you get now. And everybody seems to be smoking pot. 565 00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:19.299 which is, you know, do your own thing. But, you know, 566 00:26:19.539 --> 00:26:21.500 I don't I don't I don't particularly want you driving 567 00:26:21.539 --> 00:26:24.069 a car if it's been laced or if you say 568 00:26:24.109 --> 00:26:25.910 it's getting stronger and it's going to it's going to, 569 00:26:26.049 --> 00:26:28.410 you know, you know, cause an issue. But is the 570 00:26:28.529 --> 00:26:31.920 answer more regulation? I'm torn on that because, again, like 571 00:26:31.980 --> 00:26:34.400 I said, I lean more libertarian. I don't want more 572 00:26:34.460 --> 00:26:36.640 government intrusion in our lives. 573 00:26:37.049 --> 00:26:38.569 Well, you know, when you look at alcohol, and again, 574 00:26:38.589 --> 00:26:40.769 that's not nearly as bad as some of the drugs 575 00:26:40.789 --> 00:26:43.289 we've got, but some people rank it up there with heroin. 576 00:26:44.089 --> 00:26:47.109 But depending on who you talk to, from what I've seen, 577 00:26:47.289 --> 00:26:50.769 and again, I don't have any personal experience with an 578 00:26:50.809 --> 00:26:52.609 opinion on that. I'm just saying what I've seen some 579 00:26:52.630 --> 00:26:55.849 people talk about. And, you know, we still have a 580 00:26:55.890 --> 00:26:58.470 problem with drunk driving. We still have people who become alcoholics. 581 00:26:58.869 --> 00:27:01.009 You're always going to have a situation like that, I think. 582 00:27:01.069 --> 00:27:04.430 But the other part of it is, is that When 583 00:27:04.450 --> 00:27:06.349 I go back and I look at my, when I 584 00:27:06.390 --> 00:27:08.250 was growing up, of course, everybody in my family was 585 00:27:08.289 --> 00:27:11.369 a teetotaler, but I remember when I was very young, 586 00:27:11.430 --> 00:27:13.349 I saw the movie Days of Wine and Roses, and 587 00:27:13.369 --> 00:27:16.130 that made such a big impression on me. And I 588 00:27:16.170 --> 00:27:19.430 think that when you know somebody, and there was somebody 589 00:27:19.470 --> 00:27:22.730 who was married into our family who became an alcoholic, 590 00:27:22.769 --> 00:27:25.509 when you see what it does to somebody's life, that 591 00:27:25.609 --> 00:27:29.559 is unfortunately an object lesson that is something that people 592 00:27:29.630 --> 00:27:32.279 can learn from. But I think ultimately it comes back

593 00:27:32.380 --> 00:27:35.559 to a spiritual issue. We always try to ignore the 594 00:27:35.700 --> 00:27:39.380 spiritual issues in this country and focus on the pragmatic things, 595 00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:42.880 whether it's some kind of a legal approach or technological 596 00:27:42.900 --> 00:27:45.539 approach or whatever. Sometimes we have to go back to 597 00:27:45.619 --> 00:27:48.680 the nature of the human nature that we have there 598 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:50.640 and say, you know, what is wrong with our society 599 00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:54.769 that we're trying to fill this hole with some kind 600 00:27:54.890 --> 00:27:58.589 of hallucinogen or something like that? I think that is 601 00:27:58.650 --> 00:28:02.059 the fundamental issue, and I think part of what we're 602 00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:04.579 starting to see here in this country, I mean, even 603 00:28:04.619 --> 00:28:07.029 if you look at the mothers who are killing their kids, 604 00:28:07.829 --> 00:28:10.450 this is becoming something of a trend now. I think 605 00:28:10.529 --> 00:28:13.630 that is a sickness that is there, a moral sickness. 606 00:28:14.009 --> 00:28:15.890 And I think we're really rotting from the top down. 607 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:19.220 Yeah. You know, I, as a law student too, I've 608 00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:21.319 been at mama's second year law student and I, you know, 609 00:28:21.339 --> 00:28:23.000 so I studied law. I'm watching a lot of these 610 00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:25.220 cases and when I watched the jury too, I swear 611 00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:27.059 you have to go back to that Lindsay Clancy case, 612 00:28:27.500 --> 00:28:29.240 you know, and I'm sitting here going, how could they 613 00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:31.859 be buying this? I mean, it kind of, it fits 614 00:28:31.900 --> 00:28:33.960 within the law. They were trying to argue, uh, I 615 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:37.839 think it was a postpartum psychosis over postpartum depression, which 616 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:41.240 postpartum psychosis usually sits in and sets in, in 24 617 00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:43.839 hours to maybe four months. The last baby she had 618 00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:46.460 was eight months old. So in my mind, as a 619 00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:49.240 law student, as somebody who understands this, who understands medicine 620 00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:51.940 a bit, I go, okay, that definition doesn't fit in 621 00:28:51.980 --> 00:28:53.700 the box. So you have to kind of ignore that 622 00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:56.240 and move on to the next thing. People are suspending 623 00:28:56.299 --> 00:29:00.079 logic and suspending, which goes back to your argument of like, 624 00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:02.240 I just saw a report. I think it was a 625 00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:04.859 majority now of Gen Xers. It was a larger percentage. 626 00:29:05.259 --> 00:29:07.019 Or it might have been Gen Z are now starting 627 00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:08.660 to go back to church. So I think people are 628 00:29:08.700 --> 00:29:12.029 also seeking that out, too. But when I watch these 629 00:29:12.089 --> 00:29:15.809 people stray away from logic and stray away from, you know, 630 00:29:15.869 --> 00:29:18.269 just you think about the Ten Commandments. I mean, what's 631 00:29:18.329 --> 00:29:21.349 not logical about that? Right. I mean, just basic rules 632 00:29:21.430 --> 00:29:24.670 for life and how to treat each other. People have 633 00:29:24.750 --> 00:29:28.880 strayed away from a lot of these fundamentals already. And again, 634 00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:32.200 logic in the law that they ignore what's right in 635 00:29:32.259 --> 00:29:35.029 front of them most days. So it is kind of disheartening. 636 00:29:35.650 --> 00:29:37.480 I guess what bothered me about that was not even 637 00:29:37.539 --> 00:29:39.000 so much the jury because you had a couple of 638 00:29:39.019 --> 00:29:41.480 people who started making the talk show rounds, and they 639 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:43.839 came across and kind of proud of the fact that 640 00:29:43.859 --> 00:29:47.400 they were activists of a sort and saw themselves, I guess, 641 00:29:47.460 --> 00:29:50.170 as feminists. But I guess what really concerned me was 642 00:29:50.250 --> 00:29:55.069 how broad the support was for her outside of the courtroom, outside. 643 00:29:54.849 --> 00:29:55.130 Of the jury. 644 00:29:56.930 --> 00:29:58.089 And I looked at that and I thought, what does 645 00:29:58.109 --> 00:29:59.849 that tell us about our society? And I think what 646 00:29:59.890 --> 00:30:02.480 it tells me, my personal opinion, is that what I 647 00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:04.480 think it tells us is that we have gone for, 648 00:30:04.500 --> 00:30:07.200 I don't know, back in the early 70s when Roe v. 649 00:30:07.220 --> 00:30:09.859 Wade came out. But we've had, it's been a movement 650 00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:14.789 within feminism to talk about self-actualization, how babies are in 651 00:30:14.829 --> 00:30:18.730 the way. And we have denigrated human life to that extent. 652 00:30:19.289 --> 00:30:21.490 that now we've got people who are willing to kill 653 00:30:21.509 --> 00:30:23.799 their own kids and defend people who kill their own kids. 654 00:30:24.339 --> 00:30:27.119 And we just had a case of euthanasia of a quote, 655 00:30:27.259 --> 00:30:29.440 nearly two year old. So the kid was not two 656 00:30:29.460 --> 00:30:33.049 years old, but they euthanized a kid in the Netherlands. Uh, 657 00:30:33.059 --> 00:30:35.680 that was not two years. Now the kid was sick and, um, 658 00:30:35.859 --> 00:30:39.000 and there were other issues with it, but still, um, there's, 659 00:30:39.099 --> 00:30:41.589 there's gotta be something that we can do to honor 660 00:30:41.690 --> 00:30:44.250 and to protect life. And if we've lost that as 661 00:30:44.289 --> 00:30:46.009 a society, and when I say it rots from the 662 00:30:46.049 --> 00:30:48.890 top down, because,

If we're going to start wars when 663 00:30:48.930 --> 00:30:51.490 we have not been attacked and we're not going to 664 00:30:51.529 --> 00:30:54.849 follow the just war theory that our whole goal is 665 00:30:54.869 --> 00:30:58.259 to try to limit this to combatants with the goal 666 00:30:58.339 --> 00:31:00.759 of trying to stop this war as soon as possible, 667 00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:03.420 if that's not our goal, if we start finding other 668 00:31:03.460 --> 00:31:05.799 things to go to war for, I think that we've 669 00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:08.259 hit a slippery slope that is really going to be 670 00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:09.940 reflected in everything in society. 671 00:31:11.029 --> 00:31:12.630 Yeah, and I do agree with you that, you know, 672 00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:16.170 the sanctity of life has been diminished among society. You know, 673 00:31:16.259 --> 00:31:18.000 you and I might revere it, but when people are 674 00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:20.720 watching it every day on television, when people are seeing 675 00:31:20.779 --> 00:31:23.150 shows with violence every day, when we talk about it, 676 00:31:23.180 --> 00:31:24.980 look at our news cycle. I mean, our news cycle 677 00:31:25.019 --> 00:31:28.359 is negative, negative, negative. It's always about death and destruction. 678 00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:31.779 I think people have kind of, you know, in this 679 00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:34.880 24-hour news cycle that we've had the last maybe 30 years, 680 00:31:36.140 --> 00:31:39.299 and more prevalent now with TikTok and internet and everything 681 00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:42.400 else that we have, People have been desensitized, and that's 682 00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:45.920 a very scary thing to think about, that people, you know, 683 00:31:45.980 --> 00:31:48.940 your neighbor could not care about your own life and 684 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:51.240 the sanctity of your life, that they're, you know, they 685 00:31:51.259 --> 00:31:54.259 just don't care. It is kind of a, you know, 686 00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:57.839 it's an interesting thing to think about psychologically and where 687 00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:00.329 that leads to in generations to come. 688 00:32:00.349 --> 00:32:04.049 I agree. I remember looking at movies, and I was 689 00:32:04.089 --> 00:32:06.910 watching movies when it was, you know, it used to 690 00:32:06.950 --> 00:32:08.789 be you'd have the westerns where, you know, they would 691 00:32:09.069 --> 00:32:10.529 pull out the gun, they'd shoot the guy and then 692 00:32:10.650 --> 00:32:13.170 hit him in the hand and go bloodless, stuff like that. 693 00:32:13.190 --> 00:32:15.250 It was kind of comical. But then they started getting 694 00:32:15.289 --> 00:32:20.519 really realistic and very explicit in terms of the wounds 695 00:32:20.579 --> 00:32:23.200 and things like that. And I remember at first being 696 00:32:23.259 --> 00:32:25.460 shocked with it and then after a while getting accustomed 697 00:32:25.480

--> 00:32:27.920 to it. I really kind of stepped back and thought, man, 698 00:32:27.940 --> 00:32:30.119 you know, I'm really getting desensitized to this just in 699 00:32:30.140 --> 00:32:32.079 the movies. Now, when you do that all the time 700 00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:34.640 in the movies, I think it does, as you point out, 701 00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:37.920 desensitize us to it in real life because movies in 702 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:40.740 many ways look more realistic than if you look at 703 00:32:40.779 --> 00:32:43.559 a shooting, uh, that somebody recorded because they had a 704 00:32:43.579 --> 00:32:46.619 camcorder there or something, or, uh, some other camera was there. 705 00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:50.220 Those don't look nearly as realistic or as shocking as 706 00:32:50.259 --> 00:32:53.740 what you see on, uh, on a camera. And so, um, 707 00:32:53.859 --> 00:32:56.849 you know, on a film. And so, um, I think 708 00:32:56.890 --> 00:32:59.819 that really has desensitized us, and I think you're right 709 00:32:59.859 --> 00:33:03.640 about that. And I think that we look at these, 710 00:33:03.859 --> 00:33:06.759 we've made this argument that, hey, it's my choice, and 711 00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.619 I get to determine when life begins and play God 712 00:33:09.660 --> 00:33:12.900 in that regard. I think that it's just a short 713 00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:17.049 step to the point where we have mothers who decide, well, okay, 714 00:33:17.450 --> 00:33:21.210 it was within my right to kill the baby before 715 00:33:21.230 --> 00:33:24.730 the baby was born. but still my baby. And it's still, 716 00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:27.079 we've had a lot of ethicists like Peter Singer who 717 00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:29.339 would say, well, you're not really a person until you 718 00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:31.220 get to maybe three years old or something like that, 719 00:33:31.299 --> 00:33:34.059 once you develop a personality. And I think part of 720 00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:36.019 that really kind of takes us back to where we 721 00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:38.640 were with artificial intelligence. One of the things that they're 722 00:33:38.660 --> 00:33:40.960 really pushing on, if you notice this, not only are 723 00:33:40.980 --> 00:33:44.480 they pushing on the idea that it could kill us all, 724 00:33:44.500 --> 00:33:47.200 but we've also got the people from Anthropic who are 725 00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:49.619 lobbying very hard to try to get, for instance, the 726 00:33:49.660 --> 00:33:51.799 Pope to sign onto this because He thinks if he 727 00:33:51.819 --> 00:33:53.519 can get the Pope to sign on the fact that 728 00:33:53.940 --> 00:33:57.480 these things are conscious and that they, you know, other 729 00:33:57.619 --> 00:33:59.940 aspects of it, of humanity, he thinks if he can 730 00:33:59.980 --> 00:34:02.240 do that, that's really going to help their case. And 731 00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:04.680 I think that really is what is kind of behind 732 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:08.679 what they're pushing with this idea of superintelligence. What do 733 00:34:08.699 --> 00:34:10.119 you think about that? Do you think that is an 734 00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:11.440 aspect of what they're trying to push? 735 00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:15.980 Trying to equate, trying to bring religion into it, trying 736 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:16.539 to bring. 737 00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:18.119 Consciousness into it. Trying to get us to think that 738 00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:21.719 it is actually a living, thinking thing, rather than a 739 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:27.159 very sophisticated statistical answer that is there, that something's actually thinking. 740 00:34:28.429 --> 00:34:30.340 Sure. It would sound like that. If you ever talked to, 741 00:34:30.349 --> 00:34:31.869 I don't know if you've used AI, if you talk 742 00:34:31.909 --> 00:34:34.469 to AI, you can actually have a conversation and to 743 00:34:34.510 --> 00:34:38.289 somebody who doesn't understand that there's no heartbeat, there's no breathing, 744 00:34:38.329 --> 00:34:40.349 there's no nothing going on. It could sound like another 745 00:34:40.409 --> 00:34:42.829 person to any person. And I think, look, I think 746 00:34:42.869 --> 00:34:44.550 most people, and I hate to say this, I say 747 00:34:44.570 --> 00:34:45.980 this all the time. I said it in my first book, 748 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:47.699 but the average IQ in this country is a hundred. 749 00:34:48.110 --> 00:34:49.869 So if you think about that, half the country has 750 00:34:49.889 --> 00:34:51.449 an IQ of less than a hundred. And there's a 751 00:34:51.489 --> 00:34:54.389 lot of people who are very fallible, who will believe 752 00:34:54.429 --> 00:34:57.429 a lot of things. And then of course, nowadays, everybody 753 00:34:57.550 --> 00:35:00.780 is a keyboard warrior and everybody has an opinion on everything. 754 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:03.539 So if you can stir the masses, even if it 755 00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:05.960 starts with the Pope and then you could stir the masses, 756 00:35:06.300 --> 00:35:08.159 you can get any movement to do anything. And there's 757 00:35:08.179 --> 00:35:11.730 studies out there. You look at Germany in the 1930s, 758 00:35:11.750 --> 00:35:13.989 you look at COVID, it only takes a very small 759 00:35:14.070 --> 00:35:17.409 percentage of people to to start parroting one thing to 760 00:35:17.449 --> 00:35:20.610 move country or world in a certain direction. So they 761 00:35:20.670 --> 00:35:23.289 also know that. And they also, you know, they can 762 00:35:23.329 --> 00:35:26.969 influence people and what happens to AI moving forward by 763 00:35:27.030 --> 00:35:30.300 influencing the people that control that. People are very fallible. 764 00:35:30.550 --> 00:35:33.519 But AI can sound very real, even though it's not. 765 00:35:33.559 --> 00:35:35.139 I mean, it is, but it's not. But it's not 766 00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.300 a human person

like you and I. But I think 767 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:38.860 there would be a lot of people who would think 768 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:40.519 that that is actually happening right now. 769 00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:43.820 Oh, yeah. I remember back in the 70s when personal 770 00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:46.659 computers were first coming out. My first personal computer I had, 771 00:35:46.699 --> 00:35:48.760 there was a program that was floating around called Liza. 772 00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:54.059 And it would basically do these open-ended responses and questions 773 00:35:54.539 --> 00:35:56.679 like a psychoanalyst would do, you know, get you on 774 00:35:56.699 --> 00:35:58.909 the couch and say, well, how do you feel about that? Well, 775 00:35:58.929 --> 00:36:00.570 that's very interesting. And, you know, tell me a little 776 00:36:00.610 --> 00:36:02.670 bit about this or that. And it was just all 777 00:36:02.730 --> 00:36:05.510 open-ended questions, but it felt real. You know, when you 778 00:36:05.570 --> 00:36:07.869 work with things, these things are far more sophisticated than that, 779 00:36:07.949 --> 00:36:10.800 but they are fundamentally that. I think is really what 780 00:36:10.820 --> 00:36:11.400 we're looking at. 781 00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:12.619 Yeah. 782 00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:15.219 Let's talk a little bit about, you mentioned COVID and 783 00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:18.320 you've got a couple of books about Fauci and other things. 784 00:36:18.340 --> 00:36:20.099 Tell us a little bit about your books and tell 785 00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:22.420 us your take on what happened to us six years ago. 786 00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:25.880 Well, we were, it's ironically, we were the first company 787 00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:27.659 in New Jersey to run a COVID test. I own 788 00:36:27.699 --> 00:36:29.380 a medical clinic here in New Jersey. I had one 789 00:36:29.420 --> 00:36:31.409 down in Florida and Key West at the time as well. 790 00:36:31.820 --> 00:36:34.250 We were the very first company to do and conduct 791 00:36:34.469 --> 00:36:36.750 a COVID test before anybody else had them because we 792 00:36:36.769 --> 00:36:39.679 did something novel. We practiced good medicine. So we had 793 00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:42.210 something called a respiratory pathogen panel, and it kind of 794 00:36:42.250 --> 00:36:44.750 happened by happenstance. One of the labs that we worked 795 00:36:44.789 --> 00:36:46.889 with was one of the first 30 in the nation 796 00:36:46.909 --> 00:36:49.989 to get FDA approval to do testing. So in turn, 797 00:36:50.030 --> 00:36:54.889 we had 19,000 patients, conducted 44,000 tests. And today, I 798 00:36:55.019 --> 00:36:58.079 still have the most horizontal data in the entirety of 799 00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:00.739 the country. And that's because we measured COVID very differently. 800 00:37:01.139 --> 00:37:03.880 Most people look at COVID as negative or positive. It's not. 801 00:37:03.980 --> 00:37:07.690 It's either negative or positive with caveats. And those caveats include, 802 00:37:07.710 --> 00:37:10.280 do you have a co-infection? What is your CT value? 803 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:13.219 That's your viral load. What is any comorbidities? And we 804 00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:16.139 did something very novel that nobody else did. We called 805 00:37:16.300 --> 00:37:20.099 every single positive every night and we recorded their symptomology. 806 00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:22.449 So when you put all that together in a matrix, 807 00:37:22.869 --> 00:37:25.650 it makes COVID look very different. And in the first 808 00:37:26.389 --> 00:37:28.789 four weeks, when we had a couple hundred patients, we 809 00:37:28.829 --> 00:37:31.909 predicted the mortality rate of COVID in April of 2020. 810 00:37:31.909 --> 00:37:34.070 So I have here, this is the first book, it's 811 00:37:34.090 --> 00:37:38.110 called Fauci's Fiction. But it's not about Fauci. That's a fallacy. 812 00:37:38.170 --> 00:37:39.789 You see him on there with the mask and the 813 00:37:39.949 --> 00:37:43.389 Pinocchio nose coming through. That's because he deserves it. He 814 00:37:43.429 --> 00:37:46.389 was at the podium. So this book tells you everything 815 00:37:46.409 --> 00:37:48.289 you don't know. There's a lot of things that people 816 00:37:48.369 --> 00:37:53.639 still don't know in 2026 about how testing works, about 817 00:37:53.699 --> 00:37:58.199 what viruses do. You've probably never heard of NL63 or OC43, 818 00:37:58.699 --> 00:37:59.380 I'm guessing, right? 819 00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:01.500 No, I haven't. Let me ask you about your tests. 820 00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:02.500 Were they PCR-based? 821 00:38:03.849 --> 00:38:07.309 Yeah, so PCR, now I don't know which way you're 822 00:38:07.329 --> 00:38:09.849 going to go with this, but I want to let 823 00:38:09.889 --> 00:38:11.230 you lead and ask me your question first. 824 00:38:11.269 --> 00:38:13.070 Okay, well, let me ask you this because I have 825 00:38:13.190 --> 00:38:16.050 talked many times about PCR stuff, and I guess the 826 00:38:16.070 --> 00:38:18.300 first question I would ask was how many cycles did 827 00:38:18.340 --> 00:38:20.699 you magnify it with? 828 00:38:20.699 --> 00:38:23.659 36, but do you know that we've used PCR for 829 00:38:23.860 --> 00:38:27.139 years before COVID came out and it works perfectly well? 830 00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:29.500 And I can prove that because most people will have 831 00:38:29.539 --> 00:38:31.840 this discussion about Carrie Ellis and they'll sit here or 832 00:38:31.889 --> 00:38:34.469 somebody will have read an article And they get all mad. 833 00:38:34.510 --> 00:38:36.190 And the first question I ask them, David, is how 834 00:38:36.210 --> 00:38:38.670 many PCR tests have you conducted? And usually the answer 835 00:38:38.730 --> 00:38:40.260 is zero. You've got to remember I've done over 44,000 836 00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:43.019 of them. And what we do when

you're trying to 837 00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:44.900 look at data and you want to prove the data 838 00:38:44.980 --> 00:38:49.280 is either null or correct, you show repeatable data. So 839 00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:51.280 what you could do with testing, and the reason I 840 00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:53.369 tell you I have the most amount of horizontal data 841 00:38:53.409 --> 00:38:56.269 in the country is because we've tested people from school 842 00:38:56.309 --> 00:38:59.539 districts to police departments every single week. So when you 843 00:38:59.579 --> 00:39:02.400 test the same hundred cops every single week at a 844 00:39:02.420 --> 00:39:05.420 police department for three straight years, you get what's called 845 00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:08.559 horizontal data. So if I got a cop who's upset 846 00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:11.159 and says to me, you know, I'm positive, but I 847 00:39:11.300 --> 00:39:14.659 don't have any symptoms. I'm explaining to that police officer, 848 00:39:14.699 --> 00:39:16.449 first of all, that that is the norm. And I 849 00:39:16.489 --> 00:39:18.789 can get into that in a second, but I can 850 00:39:18.849 --> 00:39:21.909 test based on the hypothesis that everybody else will tell 851 00:39:21.929 --> 00:39:24.380 you that PCR testing doesn't work. They'll tell you I 852 00:39:24.420 --> 00:39:27.360 can find anything on anybody at any time. Well, that's 853 00:39:27.389 --> 00:39:28.380 what Kerry Moore said. 854 00:39:28.739 --> 00:39:30.360 That's what the inventor said. 855 00:39:30.989 --> 00:39:34.369 He's absolutely wrong. If you cycle it up to 42 856 00:39:34.369 --> 00:39:37.820 or 55 cycles, then yeah, you can. But at 36, 857 00:39:37.809 --> 00:39:40.070 at a reputable number, when you're making a positive call, 858 00:39:40.110 --> 00:39:42.400 and here's how you prove it. When I test 100 859 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:46.679 cops and I get one positive and 99 negatives, I 860 00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:50.079 can test that same group the next day, double blind. 861 00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:52.699 Nobody knows. The lab has no idea. They're just assigned 862 00:39:52.739 --> 00:39:55.519 a number. I can get that one cop positive again 863 00:39:55.539 --> 00:39:58.000 the next day and the other 99 negative. Now, based 864 00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:01.909 on that, the hypothesis that everybody else wants to tell 865 00:40:01.949 --> 00:40:04.550 me is incorrect because you're telling me I'm going to 866 00:40:04.610 --> 00:40:07.090 find something on everybody. Now I've narrowed it down. Now 867 00:40:07.130 --> 00:40:09.769 I'll do it a third time. And in the third instance, 868 00:40:09.829 --> 00:40:12.550 I'll get the exact same data that will tell you 869 00:40:12.590 --> 00:40:16.420 that PCR testing works properly if you are cycling it 870 00:40:16.460 --> 00:40:18.230 correct and if you know what you're doing. And I 871 00:40:18.250 --> 00:40:20.530 work with a lot of reputable labs who care about 872 00:40:20.570 --> 00:40:23.030 their calls. And again, I'm having this argument with people 873 00:40:23.050 --> 00:40:25.679 who have never done this before and I'm doing it 874 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:28.360 in real time. And it comes down to what is 875 00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.980 your viral load? Because there is, you, you started to 876 00:40:31.019 --> 00:40:35.119 see patterns with COVID. If you had cycled between 27 877 00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:38.300 and 36 on a PCR test, your symptom, you're not 878 00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:41.559 going to have classic symptomology will be called classic symptomology. 879 00:40:41.940 --> 00:40:43.360 If you're cycling around 18 or 19, you may have 880 00:40:43.380 --> 00:40:47.420 a symptom. But what we learned during COVID, David, was 881 00:40:47.460 --> 00:40:50.199 that we were also looking for co-infections on sick people. 882 00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:53.320 And the sickest of the sick always had a co-infection. 883 00:40:53.340 --> 00:40:55.929 It was COVID and staph, COVID and H flu. I 884 00:40:55.969 --> 00:40:58.869 just briefed Ron Johnson on this on the Hill. And 885 00:40:58.909 --> 00:41:01.210 his staff was mind blown because they're going, oh, well, 886 00:41:01.230 --> 00:41:02.750 I guess you wouldn't know it was there if you 887 00:41:02.769 --> 00:41:04.989 weren't looking for it. And I go, exactly. We just 888 00:41:05.010 --> 00:41:07.809 happen to be looking for it because we practice proper medicine. 889 00:41:07.849 --> 00:41:11.050 Most facilities were just testing for COVID, yay or nay. 890 00:41:11.130 --> 00:41:13.130 And they were using rapid tests, which you might as 891 00:41:13.150 --> 00:41:15.010 well throw out. Those are the dumbest thing in the world. 892 00:41:15.340 --> 00:41:16.920 You need 10 to the sixth to 10 to the 893 00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:20.199 ninth power of virus to turn a rapid test positive, 894 00:41:20.260 --> 00:41:22.079 which is why you a lot of times get a 895 00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:24.360 positive on a PCR and a negative on a rapid. 896 00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:27.760 You need a lot more virus. But a positive rapid 897 00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:32.739 could be positive for OC43, NL63, I mentioned before, things 898 00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:35.860 you've never heard of because they weren't politicized during a 899 00:41:35.900 --> 00:41:38.989 political campaign. But there are seven different coronaviruses that we 900 00:41:39.010 --> 00:41:41.869 test for, and a rapid test can pop positive for 901 00:41:42.010 --> 00:41:43.650 any one of those, and a person will think they 902 00:41:43.690 --> 00:41:47.150 have COVID. PCR test is the only way to properly 903 00:41:47.190 --> 00:41:49.340 diagnose what you have and at what level and how 904 00:41:49.380 --> 00:41:50.429 much of it is in your system. 905 00:41:51.139 --> 00:41:53.099 Well, that's interesting. I guess the other question I would 906 00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:55.300 have is, how do we know what

we're testing for? 907 00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:59.400 Christine Massey wrote off to hundreds of different authorities, maybe 908 00:41:59.420 --> 00:42:02.320 you know about her, and said, have you isolated the 909 00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:06.239 COVID-19 virus? And they all come back and say, no, 910 00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:08.539 we haven't. We don't do that. And so if you've 911 00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:11.840 got a standard that somebody has given you, Have they 912 00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:14.659 done the science to make sure that that is what 913 00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.940 you're looking for is something that actually gets people sick. 914 00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:21.179 And it doesn't surprise me that you would find co-infections 915 00:42:21.219 --> 00:42:24.300 because we had, I remember that two weeks worth of 916 00:42:24.380 --> 00:42:29.250 data from Italy in terms of the COVID pandemic before 917 00:42:29.309 --> 00:42:32.329 the emergency was declared by Trump on that Friday, the 13th. 918 00:42:32.889 --> 00:42:37.150 And they had the average age was a couple of 919 00:42:37.170 --> 00:42:41.590 years beyond life expectancy in Italy and And on average, 920 00:42:41.630 --> 00:42:44.130 they had two and a half comorbidities. And that's something 921 00:42:44.170 --> 00:42:47.869 that we saw hold up for quite some time. Yeah. 922 00:42:48.190 --> 00:42:50.809 Most people in the beginning, if people were dying in 923 00:42:50.829 --> 00:42:54.130 the beginning, it was because of an undiagnosed bacterial co-infection 924 00:42:54.750 --> 00:42:57.309 or it was because we weren't treating it properly, which is, 925 00:42:57.590 --> 00:42:59.090 you know, those are the two biggest things when you 926 00:42:59.130 --> 00:43:00.849 have a novel virus and no one knows how to 927 00:43:00.889 --> 00:43:03.030 treat it. We were throwing flu protocol at this thing, 928 00:43:03.050 --> 00:43:05.880 which flared it up. But when you say isolation, you're 929 00:43:05.940 --> 00:43:08.059 isolating the signal from it. You tell me I got 930 00:43:08.059 --> 00:43:11.599 31 things. on my respiratory pathogen panel, and everybody's going 931 00:43:11.619 --> 00:43:13.719 to make an argument that you're not isolating it. If 932 00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:15.960 everybody would listen to the actual people who did this 933 00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:19.179 on the ground for years, three straight years, and you 934 00:43:19.219 --> 00:43:21.010 came into my office and I showed you the data, 935 00:43:21.030 --> 00:43:23.349 you'd have a much different opinion from what you've heard 936 00:43:24.110 --> 00:43:26.170 out in the ether. Because I can tell you still 937 00:43:26.190 --> 00:43:29.449 to this day, and it's funny, you know, the Biden 938 00:43:29.469 --> 00:43:34.099 administration had asked Amazon to censor books on COVID and vaccines. 939 00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:37.179 And my two books were two of those books, Fauci's 940 00:43:37.219 --> 00:43:41.460 Fiction and Vaccine Fiction, because they didn't want this information out. 941 00:43:41.619 --> 00:43:43.219 They still don't. I mean, it's kind of, we've kind 942 00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:45.940 of glazed over it now that we're six years past COVID, 943 00:43:46.539 --> 00:43:49.099 but people still today can't tell me what a virus is, 944 00:43:49.139 --> 00:43:51.639 how it transmits, how small it is, why we do 945 00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:54.280 not wear masks for viruses. Why I didn't recommend this 946 00:43:54.429 --> 00:43:58.150 ridiculous shots that they call vaccines that are not vaccines. 947 00:43:58.230 --> 00:44:01.110 If you go back to the traditional terminology, there's so 948 00:44:01.150 --> 00:44:03.489 much to it. And it is amazing to me that 949 00:44:03.550 --> 00:44:06.230 we went through this fog of war and, with the lockdowns, 950 00:44:06.289 --> 00:44:09.010 with kids out of school, with businesses being shuttered, and 951 00:44:09.070 --> 00:44:11.730 still nobody wants to know what's going on. And then 952 00:44:11.809 --> 00:44:13.769 on our side of the aisle, people who actually pay 953 00:44:13.829 --> 00:44:16.489 attention to this stuff, I got Dan Ball calling me 954 00:44:16.510 --> 00:44:20.710 from OAN. This is always how it works. When you 955 00:44:20.750 --> 00:44:23.429 watch this stuff in real time and you watch people 956 00:44:23.510 --> 00:44:25.239 on our side go down a rabbit hole, I mean, 957 00:44:25.260 --> 00:44:27.900 it even happened in Ron Johnson's office. Ron Johnson is 958 00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:30.159 focused more on, you know, did it come out of 959 00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:31.880 the lab leak and what did he cover up there? 960 00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:35.389 And I'm going, if you knew the foundational stuff, about COVID, 961 00:44:35.489 --> 00:44:37.849 it would help you go down whichever rabbit hole you're 962 00:44:37.869 --> 00:44:40.869 picking because they're all going in different directions, David. It's 963 00:44:40.929 --> 00:44:43.480 funny to watch, but it's very sad at the same time. 964 00:44:43.780 --> 00:44:46.980 Yeah, I really believe the bioweapon was the vaccine. I 965 00:44:47.019 --> 00:44:49.400 think that, you know, especially if you go back and 966 00:44:49.420 --> 00:44:51.840 you look at excess morbidities, we had a lot of 967 00:44:52.820 --> 00:44:56.320 the hospitals were being paid so much as a bonus 968 00:44:56.429 --> 00:44:59.550 to find COVID and to treat COVID that they didn't 969 00:44:59.570 --> 00:45:01.670 want to treat other issues as well. So people were 970 00:45:01.690 --> 00:45:04.139 pushed out of the hospitals. Then once they started treating them, 971 00:45:04.179 --> 00:45:06.559 if they thought they had COVID, they were using things 972 00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:11.750 like remdesivir, which was exacerbating their health condition, and ventilators. 973 00:45:11.789 --> 00:45:15.110 And so to me, it made perfectly good sense that 974 00:45:15.130

--> 00:45:17.150 we would see a big spike once they started the 975 00:45:17.750 --> 00:45:20.920 mRNA jabs. But the whole thing, it's just. 976 00:45:20.820 --> 00:45:22.360 So- You want to know what we used? 977 00:45:22.380 --> 00:45:23.179 What did you use? 978 00:45:24.139 --> 00:45:25.739 You want to know what we used for four years? 979 00:45:25.780 --> 00:45:28.380 We had 19,000 patients. We did not have one die. 980 00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:30.559 I only had four go to the hospital, and that's 981 00:45:30.579 --> 00:45:34.760 because they had comorbidities. And we used vitamin C, vitamin D, zinc, 982 00:45:35.010 --> 00:45:37.289 and electrolytes if you needed it. That was it. That's 983 00:45:37.409 --> 00:45:40.010 all we used. If you had a bacterial co-infection, we 984 00:45:40.030 --> 00:45:43.230 would write you a script for the antibiotic. But the 985 00:45:43.269 --> 00:45:45.230 hysteria and the fear went nuts. And I want you 986 00:45:45.250 --> 00:45:47.980 to equate that to those shots because we did this 987 00:45:48.340 --> 00:45:50.780 testing and treatment for one straight year before the shots 988 00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:53.599 came out. The shots weren't immediate. People forget this. And 989 00:45:53.659 --> 00:45:56.260 when my patients would come to me after not losing one, 990 00:45:56.750 --> 00:45:59.389 after only sending four to the hospital, patients would come 991 00:45:59.429 --> 00:46:01.389 and say, do I need this shot? And the answer 992 00:46:01.429 --> 00:46:03.869 was a laughable no. And I've said that a thousand times. 993 00:46:04.570 --> 00:46:07.869 Laughable because one, it doesn't work. It's designed like a 994 00:46:07.909 --> 00:46:10.710 flu shot. It gives you 120 day antibody response on average. 995 00:46:11.010 --> 00:46:12.730 And two, you don't need it. So why am I 996 00:46:12.750 --> 00:46:15.750 going to give you an experimental mRNA technology to put 997 00:46:15.809 --> 00:46:18.510 in your body out of fear when all my patients 998 00:46:18.570 --> 00:46:20.429 are fine? So we tell everybody, no, this is the 999 00:46:20.530 --> 00:46:23.429 dumbest thing I've ever seen in my entire career. The 1000 00:46:23.570 --> 00:46:26.429 second dumbest thing was the masking. But I mean, we 1001 00:46:26.449 --> 00:46:29.289 can get into that. What about the six foot distance? 1002 00:46:29.349 --> 00:46:31.750 I think that's got to be up there too. One 1003 00:46:31.769 --> 00:46:36.150 of the top idiotic things. Yeah, because I quote Dr. 1004 00:46:37.010 --> 00:46:40.050 Lydia Baruba from MIT in my book. And she did 1005 00:46:40.070 --> 00:46:42.969 a study on just breathing alone in a room. And 1006 00:46:43.010 --> 00:46:46.369 the spread was 27.2 feet. That's a real number. That's 1007 00:46:46.409 --> 00:46:49.610 not some made up six foot number. We don't wear masks. 1008 00:46:49.750 --> 00:46:52.010 My patients would run in the office sometimes and yell 1009 00:46:52.050 --> 00:46:53.369 at me and say, why aren't you wearing a mask? 1010 00:46:53.389 --> 00:46:54.570 And I'd say, what do you do for a living? 1011 00:46:54.610 --> 00:46:56.210 Why do you, I don't come to your office and 1012 00:46:56.230 --> 00:46:58.309 tell you how to do the accounting in my books. 1013 00:46:58.670 --> 00:47:00.710 Like seriously, we don't, you know, it's people wearing these 1014 00:47:00.750 --> 00:47:02.969 ridiculous masks. I always equated that too. I have a 1015 00:47:03.010 --> 00:47:04.730 vape pen here. I would do that with my audience, 1016 00:47:04.750 --> 00:47:07.320 my patients in the office, because when you have a 1017 00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:10.760 particle that's less than 0.25 microns, they don't settle by gravity. 1018 00:47:11.070 --> 00:47:14.030 COVID is 0.1 microns. So when someone is symptomatic in 1019 00:47:14.050 --> 00:47:17.550 a room, it's just kind of hanging there like this. 1020 00:47:18.309 --> 00:47:21.409 And when you can fit 100 million COVID particles on 1021 00:47:21.429 --> 00:47:24.780 a pinhead and someone is symptomatic in a room, what 1022 00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:26.739 do you think's going on when it only takes one 1023 00:47:26.860 --> 00:47:30.300 particle to infect you? One, one live particle. So this mask, 1024 00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:32.679 what would happen, David, was people were coming in with these, 1025 00:47:32.940 --> 00:47:35.409 wearing the mask nonstop. They would always come in with 1026 00:47:35.449 --> 00:47:39.010 staph aureus, which is a respiratory staph infection because they're 1027 00:47:39.050 --> 00:47:41.380 creating a warm environment. And they would come in with 1028 00:47:41.449 --> 00:47:46.260 moraxella catarrhalis or klebsiella pneumonia. Anything, any bacterial infection, it 1029 00:47:46.300 --> 00:47:49.190 was rampant. And people were getting sick and not realizing it. 1030 00:47:49.219 --> 00:47:51.550 But yet they put this stupid, dirty mask back on. 1031 00:47:51.820 --> 00:47:53.840 So there's a lot to it. There's a lot in 1032 00:47:53.860 --> 00:47:56.969 Fauci's fiction. Vaccine fiction picks it up and goes through 1033 00:47:57.010 --> 00:47:59.409 the data of what we saw. But we immediately saw 1034 00:47:59.469 --> 00:48:02.110 issues with the shots immediately. It wasn't like, you know, 1035 00:48:02.150 --> 00:48:04.469 a year later. It was like some of these patients 1036 00:48:04.510 --> 00:48:06.309 that we worked with, we didn't do the shots, but 1037 00:48:06.329 --> 00:48:08.590 they were forced to get them through their work. They'd 1038 00:48:08.650 --> 00:48:10.820 come back into me now as the COVID guy who 1039 00:48:10.860 --> 00:48:14.170 knew everything about this. saying, why am I having joint issues, 1040 00:48:14.230 --> 00:48:17.440 heart issues? You've heard about pericarditis and myocarditis. But what 1041 00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:20.900 we saw was it was flaring things up that were 1042 00:48:20.940 --> 00:48:23.340 dormant

in the system. So if you were bound to 1043 00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:24.960 get it, it's the guy who would have a heart 1044 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:27.579 issue at 70, it's now coming out at 50. It's 1045 00:48:27.619 --> 00:48:29.610 the woman who would have a joint issue at 40, 1046 00:48:29.610 --> 00:48:32.289 and now it's exhibiting itself at 20. That's what we 1047 00:48:32.309 --> 00:48:35.050 were seeing in abundance And it was, I mean, you 1048 00:48:35.090 --> 00:48:37.590 said some crazy stuff that we saw. And if you 1049 00:48:37.610 --> 00:48:39.369 talk to all the nurses in the hospital, they'll tell 1050 00:48:39.409 --> 00:48:44.510 you the same thematic approach. Things we have never seen. Tumors, 1051 00:48:44.550 --> 00:48:47.679 you know, you talk about turbo cancers now. We were 1052 00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:51.480 seeing this within weeks, within months of these shots coming out. 1053 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:53.960 We were trying to tell people, but again, we were 1054 00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:56.579 banned by the Biden White House. Interviews like this would 1055 00:48:56.619 --> 00:48:59.829 get censored, pulled off YouTube, pulled off, you know, where 1056 00:49:00.170 --> 00:49:03.000 Rumble always did a good job. But everybody else, man, 1057 00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:05.820 I'll tell you, we have a hard time even today 1058 00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:08.840 getting the message out about this stuff. And it's a shame. 1059 00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:12.570 I wish everybody, I've had even liberals read my book 1060 00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:14.909 and say to me, man, I wish everybody knew this, 1061 00:49:15.940 --> 00:49:18.639 because it's not political. It's just these are the facts 1062 00:49:18.699 --> 00:49:22.320 we saw. Here's the data. Now think about what Fauci 1063 00:49:22.340 --> 00:49:23.920 was telling you and see if any of that made 1064 00:49:23.980 --> 00:49:24.380 any sense. 1065 00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:26.409 Which takes us back to one of the first things 1066 00:49:26.429 --> 00:49:28.949 we were talking about, which is free speech. Free speech 1067 00:49:29.010 --> 00:49:32.369 is so essential. And, you know, we start taking people 1068 00:49:32.630 --> 00:49:35.889 down who are saying, well, you know, this helped. Maybe 1069 00:49:35.909 --> 00:49:37.710 you want to try this. And you look at it, 1070 00:49:37.730 --> 00:49:40.769 it's not even something that has any negative adverse effect 1071 00:49:40.809 --> 00:49:42.630 for them. So why not allow them to try that? 1072 00:49:43.050 --> 00:49:45.409 But we're not allowed to say that. To me, that 1073 00:49:45.429 --> 00:49:47.900 was a giant red flag. And so was the issue 1074 00:49:48.500 --> 00:49:51.280 of going back to the first one of these germ 1075 00:49:51.300 --> 00:49:55.300 games that was two months before 9-11, dark winter. I 1076 00:49:55.340 --> 00:49:57.619 looked at it and it's like, They're following the script 1077 00:49:57.769 --> 00:50:00.469 that

they've been practicing on an annual basis for 20 years. 1078 00:50:01.250 --> 00:50:03.630 To me, the whole thing looked fishy from the start. 1079 00:50:04.230 --> 00:50:06.929 And as you point out, it's an untested experimental thing. 1080 00:50:08.170 --> 00:50:11.829 But they had tested the psychological approach to all of that. 1081 00:50:11.889 --> 00:50:14.230 And I think it is key. That's why the First 1082 00:50:14.250 --> 00:50:17.489 Amendment is so foundational. And we have to really guard that. 1083 00:50:17.889 --> 00:50:19.179 And we have to make sure we don't get into 1084 00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:21.900 a situation where the politicians are going to be the 1085 00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:23.880 ones who are going to decide what can and cannot 1086 00:50:23.940 --> 00:50:27.260 be said. Or even artificial intelligence is going to be 1087 00:50:27.380 --> 00:50:33.480 accepted as some neutral arbiter of truth. And I think 1088 00:50:33.500 --> 00:50:35.420 that's really where they're pushing this. They want people to 1089 00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:38.500 trust this so that they can then, and it can 1090 00:50:38.539 --> 00:50:43.179 be manipulated. I mean, they have people who are basically 1091 00:50:43.260 --> 00:50:45.780 hired to do that type of thing. You can move 1092 00:50:45.860 --> 00:50:48.860 an AI one direction or the other. They actually work 1093 00:50:48.889 --> 00:50:51.750 at it pretty hard. Absolutely. And so, but the main 1094 00:50:51.869 --> 00:50:53.550 thing is the public is going to think that this 1095 00:50:53.650 --> 00:50:56.730 is an objective standard. They don't realize that it's being 1096 00:50:56.809 --> 00:50:58.190 manipulated or biased. 1097 00:50:58.449 --> 00:51:01.210 Sure. I talked about it in my second book in Fauci, 1098 00:51:01.309 --> 00:51:03.980 in Vaccine Fiction, because I wanted to point out, it's funny, 1099 00:51:04.019 --> 00:51:05.900 I mean, when my first book came out, I asked AI, 1100 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:08.360 I said, could you tell me about this book, Fauci's Fiction? 1101 00:51:08.380 --> 00:51:10.739 And it goes, sure. And it started telling me all 1102 00:51:10.780 --> 00:51:13.619 about the book. It's anti-Fauci. It says this about Fauci. Now, 1103 00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:15.429 I only mentioned Fauci three times in the book, and 1104 00:51:15.489 --> 00:51:17.829 I don't say anything negative. And I did that for 1105 00:51:17.849 --> 00:51:19.630 a reason. I wanted to see if people would actually 1106 00:51:19.670 --> 00:51:23.429 pay attention to the data. And so then AI started 1107 00:51:23.469 --> 00:51:26.030 pointing out passages and it said, yeah, Schwartz says this 1108 00:51:26.110 --> 00:51:28.519 on page 32. And I'm like, that doesn't, I'd flip that. 1109 00:51:28.860 --> 00:51:31.219 Not only was it not on page 32, but it 1110 00:51:31.260 --> 00:51:33.039 wasn't even in the entirety of the book. It was 1111 00:51:33.059 --> 00:51:36.000 just hallucinating these

things. So, you know, you think about 1112 00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:38.369 people like in the news, if they were thinking about 1113 00:51:38.409 --> 00:51:40.300 having me on a show. And they wanted to do 1114 00:51:40.340 --> 00:51:42.500 a little research. If they asked AI about what was 1115 00:51:42.539 --> 00:51:44.519 in the book, they'd be talking to somebody else. They 1116 00:51:44.539 --> 00:51:46.199 wouldn't have a clue as to what was in this book. 1117 00:51:46.579 --> 00:51:50.300 So I've seen it in action. I talked about it. 1118 00:51:50.380 --> 00:51:52.969 I wanted people to understand it from my perspective because 1119 00:51:53.010 --> 00:51:56.170 as somebody who's been censored, as somebody who's had the 1120 00:51:57.110 --> 00:52:02.969 boot on my neck with suppression and shadow banning, I've 1121 00:52:03.010 --> 00:52:05.500 saw it in real time. People would talk about it 1122 00:52:05.539 --> 00:52:07.989 before me. And they would, you know, people, sometimes I'd 1123 00:52:08.030 --> 00:52:09.730 hear people talk about it and go, and I didn't 1124 00:52:09.809 --> 00:52:12.409 really understand it, but I would be doing interviews, David, 1125 00:52:12.449 --> 00:52:14.420 like this live. And I'd have the host tell me 1126 00:52:14.460 --> 00:52:16.800 we just got pulled off YouTube, like, you know, for 1127 00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:19.519 talking about testing and how testing works or something like that. 1128 00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.460 So people really don't know they were forced down rabbit 1129 00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:25.099 holes because they went to go find something because they 1130 00:52:25.139 --> 00:52:27.380 wanted to know, but I really just wish they would 1131 00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:29.300 know the basics again, from the people who did it 1132 00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:31.440 on the ground. It was very, it was very obvious 1133 00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:34.659 to us very quickly within about four weeks. that this 1134 00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:36.539 was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. And 1135 00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:39.820 I told people, I said, look, this will probably be 1136 00:52:39.860 --> 00:52:42.920 done in about four or five months. And then we 1137 00:52:42.940 --> 00:52:44.760 got another year, two years. I mean, it was just 1138 00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:47.320 crazy to watch this in real time. I'd be telling 1139 00:52:47.380 --> 00:52:51.099 people on radio interviews what I'm telling you now, or just, 1140 00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:53.380 you know, basic stuff that this is fine. Nobody's dying 1141 00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:55.420 from it. They'd look at me like I had three 1142 00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:57.940 heads and I was going to kill everybody on the planet. 1143 00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:00.980 I get laughed at, ridiculed. And then of course, you know, 1144 00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:04.230 years later, people realize we were right. But in that, 1145 00:53:04.489 --> 00:53:06.739 in that timeframe and to what we were talking about, 1146 00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:10.320 a lot of people have developed a lot of cognitive distortion. 1147 00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:16.079 anchor biases or confirmation biases, and then taken that confirmation bias, 1148 00:53:16.500 --> 00:53:19.420 gone down a rabbit hole and made a conclusion based 1149 00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:22.880 on no one doing anything to the extent that we did. 1150 00:53:23.260 --> 00:53:26.280 And it's very frustrating for somebody like me, who's, I'm a, 1151 00:53:26.449 --> 00:53:28.840 I'm a straight shooter. I'm a data guy. I'm going 1152 00:53:28.860 --> 00:53:30.429 to tell you exactly what we saw. And if you 1153 00:53:30.469 --> 00:53:32.530 saw that data in my office, you'd have a lot 1154 00:53:32.570 --> 00:53:33.929 of different conclusions about COVID. 1155 00:53:34.409 --> 00:53:36.869 Well, you know, I remember this from the early days 1156 00:53:36.949 --> 00:53:39.130 and I would go to a restaurant locally in Austin 1157 00:53:39.210 --> 00:53:41.019 and I would, I didn't want to go to a 1158 00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:42.579 chain because I figured, well, they're going to just be 1159 00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:46.920 following some corporate rules here. But I'll go places that 1160 00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:49.079 are owned by a local person. And the local guy 1161 00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:50.960 would come there and say, sorry, you can't eat in 1162 00:53:50.980 --> 00:53:53.070 here without a mask. I said, everybody that's sitting here 1163 00:53:53.110 --> 00:53:54.889 doesn't have a mask on. You're not going to let 1164 00:53:54.909 --> 00:53:57.050 me walk five feet into your restaurant without a mask. 1165 00:53:57.329 --> 00:53:59.170 I said, you know how ridiculous this is. Yeah, I know, 1166 00:53:59.190 --> 00:54:01.550 but we've got to follow the rules. And to me, 1167 00:54:01.650 --> 00:54:05.469 that was the most dangerous thing. And I think that 1168 00:54:05.510 --> 00:54:07.449 the powers that be have seen this and they realize 1169 00:54:07.469 --> 00:54:10.179 they've got a very powerful tool. They realized just how 1170 00:54:10.300 --> 00:54:14.000 easy it was to get people to either shut their 1171 00:54:14.019 --> 00:54:16.610 mind off because they're so afraid. You create this fear, 1172 00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:19.360 they shut it off. Or they are afraid of the 1173 00:54:19.429 --> 00:54:21.630 authorities and what the authorities will do to them, and 1174 00:54:21.670 --> 00:54:23.809 they will comply for that. I think that is really 1175 00:54:23.849 --> 00:54:25.829 where we are right now. I think it's still a 1176 00:54:25.889 --> 00:54:29.630 very dangerous situation because it was never really confronted and 1177 00:54:29.670 --> 00:54:32.429 shut down. They shut us down on our side instead, 1178 00:54:33.690 --> 00:54:35.610 instead of us shutting down the systems. 1179 00:54:36.820 --> 00:54:38.980 You know, it's funny, everybody calls it a plan Demick,

1180 00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:41.260 but I don't like that term. I think they, they, they, 1181 00:54:41.380 --> 00:54:44.309 this thing came out of a lab. I'm convinced of it. 1182 00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:47.139 I hated that whole zoonotic, uh, you know, concept that 1183 00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:50.280 Pouchy had and, uh, it, it escaped and people used 1184 00:54:50.300 --> 00:54:52.780 it as a tool once they saw, and of course 1185 00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:55.019 at election season that just blew it all up. But 1186 00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:57.760 once they saw they could run some of these scenarios, 1187 00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:00.550 they probably had in the bag for years. and wanted 1188 00:55:00.590 --> 00:55:03.460 to know about compliance from the populace and what we 1189 00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:06.030 would do if something like this were to happen. They 1190 00:55:06.110 --> 00:55:08.989 ran those tests. They studied us. They, they, they, they 1191 00:55:09.030 --> 00:55:11.010 saw how far they could push and they really put, 1192 00:55:11.570 --> 00:55:14.570 I was surprised David as well about how far they push. 1193 00:55:14.610 --> 00:55:17.130 I could not believe people went along with this. I mean, 1194 00:55:17.170 --> 00:55:19.050 the only time I ever wore a mask was in 1195 00:55:19.090 --> 00:55:21.469 an airplane because I had to, to fly. But as 1196 00:55:21.489 --> 00:55:23.429 soon as I got out of that plane into the, uh, 1197 00:55:23.530 --> 00:55:25.289 into the terminal, I took that thing off. People were 1198 00:55:25.309 --> 00:55:27.469 staring at me. This guy's going to kill people. Meanwhile, 1199 00:55:27.489 --> 00:55:29.449 I'm walking around going, I do this for a living. 1200 00:55:29.570 --> 00:55:32.960 Like I literally test a hundred COVID patients a day. Uh, 1201 00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:34.519 it is what it is at a 19,000. We had 4,000 positives. 1202 00:55:37.300 --> 00:55:39.860 Out of that, like I said, we didn't lose anybody. 1203 00:55:40.340 --> 00:55:42.860 Four out of 4,000 went to the hospital and they're 1204 00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:47.360 all fine. It was so blatantly obvious to us within 1205 00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:50.519 weeks that we could have stopped all of this if 1206 00:55:50.579 --> 00:55:54.300 the free speech issue was handled at that, which I 1207 00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:56.840 won't think it'll ever be. And you go back to 1208 00:55:56.880 --> 00:55:59.280 the White House thing. See, that's a different animal for 1209 00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:02.320 me because they're not controlling what the people are saying. 1210 00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:04.599 They're just telling them, all right, no more hard pass 1211 00:56:04.619 --> 00:56:06.639 for you. You can go say what you want. The 1212 00:56:06.659 --> 00:56:09.909 First Amendment protects people from the government infringing upon their 1213 00:56:09.969 --> 00:56:12.710 right to free speech, not YouTube or, you know, and 1214 00:56:12.750 --> 00:56:14.469 I get people get mad. I get mad about it, too. 1215 00:56:14.809 --> 00:56:17.530 But if a technology company wants to pull you off 1216 00:56:17.570 --> 00:56:21.469 their platform, they can. Unfortunately, that's not a First Amendment protection. 1217 00:56:21.809 --> 00:56:24.900 But if the government, like Biden, says to Amazon, we 1218 00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:27.559 want you to censor books on these topics, that is 1219 00:56:27.619 --> 00:56:28.820 a First Amendment infringement. 1220 00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:31.099 I agree. I agree. And I don't think they have 1221 00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:32.500 a right to be. I mean, you and I are 1222 00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:34.239 not part of the White House press pool. It's a 1223 00:56:34.699 --> 00:56:36.800 Something of a guild of a little bit of a 1224 00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:39.090 cartel there as it is. And I guess that's one 1225 00:56:39.110 --> 00:56:41.070 of the reasons why they're so upset about it. However, 1226 00:56:41.489 --> 00:56:43.829 when you look at what Trump has done in terms 1227 00:56:43.869 --> 00:56:48.989 of lawsuits, in terms of threatening people's licenses with the FCC, 1228 00:56:49.050 --> 00:56:51.789 I think there's a real issue there with respect for 1229 00:56:51.869 --> 00:56:56.360 the First Amendment. And that applies to individual speech as well. 1230 00:56:56.449 --> 00:56:59.139 So to me, that is the issue that it needs 1231 00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:02.039 to be respected. But again, you know, one of the 1232 00:57:02.099 --> 00:57:04.260 only things that they really tested with this stuff was, 1233 00:57:04.539 --> 00:57:07.599 I remember back, I think it was in August of 2020, 1234 00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:10.320 I saw what a test that Yale had done. And 1235 00:57:10.340 --> 00:57:13.119 they had a long list of different arguments that you 1236 00:57:13.139 --> 00:57:14.869 would make to get people to take the vaccine. And 1237 00:57:14.969 --> 00:57:18.130 they had tested those to see if they would work. 1238 00:57:18.150 --> 00:57:20.289 They would have a control group that they would not 1239 00:57:20.349 --> 00:57:22.269 give the argument to. And then they would see how 1240 00:57:23.210 --> 00:57:25.929 how open they were to it versus the other group 1241 00:57:25.969 --> 00:57:28.389 that got the arguments. And it was all the same 1242 00:57:28.449 --> 00:57:31.090 arguments that we saw being put out there by everyone 1243 00:57:31.250 --> 00:57:33.409 in authority, whether it was in the media or whether 1244 00:57:33.429 --> 00:57:35.690 it was in the churches. It was always the same 1245 00:57:35.829 --> 00:57:38.969 arguments straight out of these talking points at Avial. So 1246 00:57:39.010 --> 00:57:42.820 they understand just how important speech is. And you and 1247 00:57:42.889 --> 00:57:45.780 I understand that from a firsthand standpoint as well. Thank 1248 00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:48.320 you so much for coming on. It was very interesting 1249 00:57:48.340 --> 00:57:50.420 to talk to you. And we really have to focus 1250 00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:53.889 on on the ability to have open speech. And both 1251 00:57:53.909 --> 00:57:57.619 of us have gone through this purging and this censorship. 1252 00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:00.440 And we don't want to see this spreading. That really 1253 00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:02.800 is a fatal disease for society, isn't it? 1254 00:58:04.380 --> 00:58:06.789 It is. And I hope it changes. But it takes 1255 00:58:06.829 --> 00:58:09.530 more people like you and I to keep the message 1256 00:58:09.610 --> 00:58:12.550 out there and let everybody know what's happening. So congratulations 1257 00:58:12.630 --> 00:58:13.250 on what you're doing. 1258 00:58:13.550 --> 00:58:13.989 My pleasure. 1259 00:58:14.010 --> 00:58:14.309 Thank you. 1260 00:58:14.369 --> 00:58:16.949 MichaelSchwartz.com. Thank you very much, Michael. Appreciate it. 1261 00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:17.460 You got it. 1262 00:58:27.909 --> 00:58:34.070 The common man. They created common core to dumb down 1263 00:58:34.139 --> 00:58:37.860 our children. They created common past to track and control us. 1264 00:58:38.260 --> 00:58:42.179 Their commons project to make sure the commoners own nothing. 1265 00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:49.670 And the communist future. They see the common man as simple, unsophisticated, ordinary. 1266 00:58:50.789 --> 00:58:54.070 but each of us has worth and dignity created in 1267 00:58:54.110 --> 00:58:58.800 the image of God. That is what we have in common. 1268 00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:02.239 That is what they want to take away. Their most 1269 00:59:02.300 --> 00:59:07.789 powerful weapons are isolation, deception, intimidation. They desire to know 1270 00:59:08.010 --> 00:59:12.719 everything about us while they hide everything from us. It's 1271 00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:15.760 time to turn that around and expose what they want 1272 00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:19.659 to hide. Please share the information and links you'll find 1273 00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:24.219 at TheDavidKnightShow.com. Thank you for listening. Thank you for sharing. 1274 00:59:30.130 --> 00:59:32.489 If you can't support us financially, please keep us in 1275 00:59:32.530 --> 00:59:35.300 your prayers. TheDavidKnightShow.com