Full Transcript for Angie Noack (Brain Mapping Explained)

your grandpa, and your grandpa's like you guys just weren't runners, you didn't have this other gene. 00:02:02.480 --> 00:02:10.080 So give us a little background on exactly what you do in like what is brain mapping, what is brain code, start from the beginning. 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:10.479 Yeah. 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:11.680 And you are exactly right. 00:02:11.759 --> 00:02:12.960 I have that conversation with people. 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:19.120 Like, if you've you are if you've already decided that you are incapable of change, I'll hear that conversation in consults, right? 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:22.159 Like, hey, nothing ever works for me, but I guess I'll try this. 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:24.240 I'm like, then this probably isn't gonna work for you. 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:25.039 I've already decided. 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:33.039 Whenever I hear I had this conversation uh yesterday on the road drive back from Grand Canyon, is um, geez. 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:34.000 What did you just say? 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:35.520 I'm sorry, I totally lost it there. 00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:37.599 About limiting beliefs, right? 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:41.759 And about you know, having already identified that you can't overcome whatever it is. 00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:45.840 Like you've already decided this is not something that you can do or you're willing to give up. 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:46.960 Yeah, I lost it. 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:47.280 Go ahead. 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:49.439 I totally lost it. 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:51.360 I'm I'm operating, we'll talk about sleep in a minute. 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:52.240 I've seen your brain map. 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:53.759 I mean we'll talk about sleep in a minute. 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:57.199 I got about four and a half hours sleep because I just got in last night, but yeah, proceed. 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:01.199 And probably also expended, I don't know, a lot of energy in what you did, maybe running on zero. 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:05.360 Neurologically uh suppressed right now, is how I would describe it. 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:19.199 So, brain mapping and neurofeedback, what brain code centers does, a brain map is a quantitative electroencephalogram, similar to a spec'd image or like an EEG, in that we're looking at all of the electrical and neurological wave activity happening in the brain. 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:21.439 It's a baseline assessment tool, right? 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:28.879 If someone goes into the gym, they need to do some kind of fitness assessment for us to even see what is your movement like, what's your fitness fitness level like, right? 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:30.240 What are we dealing with? 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:35.919 Um, and that really is, you know, a brain map is the ability for us to take an internal look and see, okay, what's going on? 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:37.199 What are you firing? 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:39.360 Um, you know, what's happening neurologically? 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:47.840 And then we can create individualized protocols for that person in order to physiologically create new neuropathways, like a training program, right? 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:52.719 Okay, we're gonna work on the prietal lobe, here's what's happening there, the occipital lobe, here's what's happening there. 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:56.000 And everything that we're doing is truly reward-based training. 00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:57.680 It's operant conditioning of the brain. 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:05.759 We're not putting any stimulus in, we're teaching the brain to create new neuropathways on its own and ultimately committing those to permanency. 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:07.280 So, unlike muscle, right? 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:10.879 Muscle, we know, hey, we build it, and then it is easier to maintain, right? 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:14.159 You don't have to work as hard when you're maintaining as you do when you're building. 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:18.639 Your brain is gonna constantly be maintaining that pattern after we create it. 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:23.920 So once we put in the hard work, now your brain is is utilizing that and maintaining that all the time. 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:29.040 So, in a language that my you know, third grade reading level can kind of understand. 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:34.639 So the way the way I understand, I did my brain mapping with you guys like four or five years ago, and it was it was absolutely incredible. 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:40.160 I learned a lot about the patterns that I've had, and for it answered a lot of questions for me. 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:44.639 But the way I the way I see it and the way I interpret it is like at any given time, like who's driving the machine? 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:46.560 When you talk about the different waves of the brain. 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:48.560 So, kind of go into detail. 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:50.800 I know mine, you can break it down if you like. 00:04:50.959 --> 00:05:07.839 Mine was I had very high, high beta activity, hypervigilance, a lot of this stuff that from when I from growing up moved around a lot, um, and how from that, like the hypervigilance served me in a lot of areas and made me a really great coach because I pay attention to everything, but then that also leads to an inability to relax. 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:09.839 No place ever really feels like home. 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:11.439 I'm just constantly scanning. 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:22.000 So go into detail about maybe the specific waves, what you guys find, yeah, and then maybe try to play with that metaphor of like who's driving, like who's in charge at any given time. 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:22.959 Does that make sense? 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:23.759 Absolutely. 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:27.519 So all humans are capable of producing the same brainwave activity. 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:32.639 We have delta waves, which are like deep, slow, restorative, relaxation sleepwaves. 00:05:32.720 -->

00:05:37.439 So if or when you're in the best part of sleep, the brain produces super slow moving delta. 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:44.399 Theta is kind of a drifting into sleep wave where we're not fully asleep, but we're not fully awake, almost a daydreamy type place. 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:46.800 Alpha wave activity is a receptor. 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:48.560 So alpha is gonna be like a bridge. 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:56.160 It helps push our brain up into the fast, it moves it into the slow, too much or too little alpha, and we tend to feel extremely stuck. 00:05:56.319 --> 00:06:01.839 Like either I'm so stuck in the fast, my brain is racing, I can't shut it off, or I feel really stuck in the slow. 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:05.600 I'm kind of foggy, lethargic, you know, why can't I get my brain up and working? 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:11.920 Beta should be clean, focused, motivational, fresh cup of coffee in the morning energy. 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:15.839 Too much and we're overstimulated, too little, and we tend to be undermotivated. 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:17.600 High beta is fight or flight. 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:26.079 Anxiety, irritability, defense mechanisms, hypervigilance, it's a very uncomfortable place for us to be and also a very common thing that our society deals with, right? 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:29.680 You really shouldn't be producing high beta unless you're in danger. 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:39.920 But if you're trying to go to sleep at night, if you're trying to work your job, and your brain is lit up with fast wave activity, that's really never gonna serve you well, nor is it gonna feel particularly comfortable, right? 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:42.720 That's gonna be like you talked about that place of kind of hypervigilance. 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:47.360 And you're exactly right, that's what we're looking at in the brain is kind of who is the driver, right? 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:52.240 Who is the wave that is speaking over all of the other waves and kind of trumping everybody? 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:54.319 Everybody has somebody that's doing that, right? 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:57.439 Somebody who has extra theta, extra slow wave activity. 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:07.920 That's gonna be your classic kind of ADHD, you know, um inattentive, right, hard time staying focused, kind of feeling scattered, 50 tabs open but doesn't complete any tasks, right? 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:09.839 Versus your high beta, right? 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:17.360 Somebody like that is gonna be actually like, and I know this is a you know part of your part of your you know kind of history, um, is a first responder pattern, right? 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:20.079 Somebody who's like, hey, I am alert at all times, right? 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:26.879 Like I'm sitting in the corner in a restaurant, so I can scan everything because I need to know, you know, what's happening and who's coming in and what's going on. 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:27.920 I'm having a conversation with you. 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:29.600 You never have your back turned to the front door. 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:30.160 That's right. 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:31.600 Yeah, I'm having a conversation with you. 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:34.000 I've heard the other 50 conversations happening around us. 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:37.120 I could tell you so-and-so over there is getting a having a breakup right now. 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:39.279 And I'm going, oh my gosh, what are you talking about? 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:43.199 Because your brain is so alert that it's hearing all of those things. 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:45.680 Neither of which is like bad or good, right? 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:46.639 It just is. 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:50.079 It comes down to what's serving you well and what's not serving you well. 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:53.120 Having some hypervigilance, that probably keeps you safe. 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:56.639 Having too much, do you ever attach to other people? 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:58.560 Do you ever like relax ever? 00:07:58.720 --> 00:08:00.480 Can you ever just have a chill down day? 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:02.000 What does that even look like for you? 00:08:02.319 --> 00:08:08.240 Um, so that's really what we're exploring is like, okay, if this one area is serving you well, having a little bit extra, great. 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:10.240 That's not necessarily a pain point. 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:13.920 But having way, way, way too much is so underfocused. 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:18.000 Yeah, I one and one of the themes we use with our guys, like, does your state match your environment? 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:25.839 Like, it's okay to we there are times in even in the gym, we get people ramped up, ready to run through a wall, right? 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:37.200 Upregulation, they're moving weights, everything's very intense, and then we just send them out into the wild and they get in their car, they go 80 miles per hour to Whole Foods, you know, they're impatient waiting in line because they're super ramped up. 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:37.440 Yeah. 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:40.399 So, how often are people kind of confusing? 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:51.759 I want to don't want to necessarily go just go back to like the personality aspect, but we're are we over labeling symptoms and pathologies and sickness with everyone's anxious and all of these disorders? 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:57.840 Or can a lot of this just by building some awareness around how you're feeling, respiratory drive? 00:08:58.000 --> 00:08:59.360 Are there cues that people can get? 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:03.279 It's like, oh, I'm in this state and now I need to change state. 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:05.120 We are way over labeling. 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:18.799 So uh he used to be the director of the National Institute for Mental Health, Thomas Insell was like highly criticized because he said the DSM 5, right, which is um for counselors, that's our ability to

diagnose, has a lot of reliability, right? 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:21.200 Okay, there's a lot of consistency with diagnosis. 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:25.440 He said there's very little um uh validity. 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:29.519 And so, okay, wait, so we have a lot of consistency with diagnosis. 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:35.679 We have no ability to actually say, is this a specific neurological biological pattern, right? 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:41.600 We would never diagnose somebody with diabetes without taking a freaking look at your insulin and your blood sugar. 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:43.919 We wouldn't just go, oh, you you're feeling a little lightheaded. 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:45.279 Probably diabetes, right? 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:50.000 Versus you go to somebody for mental health and you say, Yeah, I feel like a little X, Y, and Z. 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:51.360 This, this, and this. 00:09:51.440 --> 00:09:54.799 Here's your diagnosis, here's your you know, prescription of medication. 00:09:55.039 --> 00:10:00.480 So we do over-identify with these diagnostic terms and go, this is what I am, this is it. 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:02.720 That's not necessarily one neurological pattern. 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:05.200 That could be like 50 different neurological patterns. 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:11.519 Now, the hard thing about mental health is that we also have as a culture the idea that we can turn it off and on, right? 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:13.679 Oh, you're feeling anxious, just quit it, right? 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:15.200 We'll just down-regulate. 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:18.879 And then I look at the brain and go, this is the 100% driver in your brain. 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:25.759 So the idea that this is some kind of a switch that you can turn on and off is probably, you know, not real, not realistic for you. 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:31.679 However, that's where, you know, we neurofeedback, you know, different modalities can teach you how to have flexibility. 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:33.600 Because it's not that we should never have access to that. 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:39.519 If you are being chased by a bear, high beta is pretty critical to tell you, oh my god, like get the heck out of here. 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:43.360 But if you're trying to go to sleep at night, uh totally unnecessary and detrimental. 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:44.080 Yeah. 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:47.039 Um, how long have they been doing? 00:10:47.519 --> 00:10:51.440 Because obviously we've had a lot of changes in modern technology, a lot of changes in lifestyle. 00:10:51.600 --> 00:10:51.759 Yeah. 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:53.919 Um, everybody feels stressed to the gills. 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:58.320 We have everybody prides themselves on their efficiency and getting all 80 things on their checklist done. 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:00.559 How long have they been doing QEG? 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:01.679 What's the history? 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:03.360 Like, how far back does this go? 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:05.919 Yeah, QEG started in like the 50s. 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:07.919 I mean, this is you know old technology. 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:10.240 I've literally been asked, like, did you create neurofeedback? 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:11.279 Wouldn't that be sick? 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:14.879 No, absolutely like like really you think that I'm like capable of that? 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:17.279 No, neurofeedback started in like the 1950s, right? 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:20.159 And we were doing, and there's a lot of different types of brain scans, right? 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:27.679 We know that MRIs, CTs, there's a lot of different a specifically a QEEG is an electrical neurological scan, right? 00:11:27.759 --> 00:11:30.399 We're looking at all the electrical wave activity happening. 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:40.799 And one of the founders of kind of neurofeedback and QEEG was doing these different experiments on cats, um, because we were finding out that, you know, basically we were doing a lot of animal testing. 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:42.399 I know that, you know, that's not really allowed anymore. 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:43.039 But back in the day. 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:44.480 The moment the monkey put the lipstick on it. 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:44.960 That's right. 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:46.879 Back in the day, you could kind of do whatever you wanted. 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:58.799 And we found out that when you were putting basically a radio frequency of alpha into these very feral cats' brains, we could basically turn a feral cat into like a house pet, a docile house pet. 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:06.399 We also found out that because these um different astronauts, there was another study being done, these astronauts were having a lot of negative effects from rocket fuel. 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:10.159 So we were doing testing on cats, basically, oh gosh, we have to protect our astronauts. 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:22.240 We found that several of the cats that had been um introduced to alpha frequency neurofeedback were um were not showing any signs of the disorientation from the rocket fuel. 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:24.080 So they're actually kind of immune to that. 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:30.399 So we basically figured out, oh my gosh, by training brain waves, we can change states, we can teach the brain and strengthen the brain. 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:31.600 And that's really where it started. 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:36.159 Now, I would say probably in the last 30 years, there's been a lot higher efficacy. 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:38.000 We have a lot more research studies and whatnot. 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:41.120 Back in the you know, 50s, 40s, it was like it works because it works. 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:43.519 And in the scientific community, that means absolutely nothing. 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:47.840 The anecdote tends to precede the actual research in almost all cases, right? 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:50.960 Yeah, yeah, is it you

know, kind of qualitative, quantitative data. 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:57.200 Um, and so we really have a lot more quantitative evidence now to say, okay, actually, this is why it works. 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:00.799 And before and after brain maps, I mean, people love proof of change, right? 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:08.720 If you go to a counselor, there's nothing wrong with counseling, I believe in it, I am a counselor, um, for six years, you are the determination of if that has worked, right? 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:09.519 Like, how do you feel? 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:10.559 How do you experience yourself? 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:11.120 All those things. 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:13.200 A before and after brain map is hard to argue with. 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:16.960 Like, here you had this amount of wave activity before you have this amount now. 00:13:17.120 --> 00:13:18.639 What did you change neurofeedback? 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:20.639 Okay, then we can see the the data change there. 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:38.320 So when when you are, how much how much does environmental factors, whether it's relationships, jobs you don't like, like how many of these things are influencing us into I don't know we want to say underperform, but living like less fulfilling lives? 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:51.279 Oh, to where we do think it's just something wrong with us, how many people are mistaking some type of diagnosis or symptoms with just being in an environment that isn't conducive for who they are or what they want to be doing? 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:52.879 How often is that misinterpretive? 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:59.360 And and does is that ever something you guys go into with the when you're doing your counseling? 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:03.039 So it's finding what the triggers are that are putting the brain into that? 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:05.440 So my answer to that is kind of twofold, right? 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:11.519 Like let's say you grew up in a situation that was maybe unsafe emotionally, physically, whatever that is. 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:14.799 You probably grew up around a dysregulated nervous system, right? 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:19.440 Your brain and your body are telling you, like, hey, this is this is the regular, right? 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:25.039 So feeling hyper-vigilant and stressed out and scared and fear and whatever, that's what you grew up with. 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:27.440 So that is your baseline, that is what you know. 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:34.639 So then we're not confused why, okay, as an adult, you're probably in maybe a dysregulating relationship, right? 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:39.279 That you're with somebody who, yeah, it's a little bit unhealthy, yeah, maybe a little bit abusive, whatever that is. 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:43.120 But like, hey, my body is telling me this is this is the norm and this is what feels good. 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:49.679 Well, yeah, I'm super stressed out at work and you know, I'm I'm working 80 hour weeks or whatever, but hey, this is just this is kind of what you got to do. 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:51.039 This is a very normal feeling. 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:58.879 So that type of situation, you're probably creating it and you have decided that that's your normality because of how you were raised. 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:01.600 We also, like you said, live in hustle culture. 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:08.240 We are such an interesting culture of people that it's like you you slept five hours, I slept four. 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:12.000 Oh, you you ate, you know, you forgot to eat yesterday, I haven't eaten in three days. 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:12.720 Pay an Olympics. 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:15.600 Like what are we what are we competing against? 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:17.759 Like you're super unhealthy, I'm worse. 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:20.240 That's such a what a weird. 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:21.440 You think that's bad. 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:22.639 Yeah, you think that's bad. 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:25.039 Let me tell you how much worse mine is, like whatever that is. 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:27.440 You work 90 hours, I worked 120. 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:29.039 Not enough hours in the day. 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:37.600 So there's also a whole keeping up with the Joneses like culture of that creates, I mean, just deterioration within our brains and in our bodies. 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:40.000 So maybe you grew up in a, let's say, healthy, right? 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:47.919 What defines healthy environment, but you are so almost like manipulatively overly motivated where it's never enough. 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:50.960 And you know, that next level and that next level and that next level. 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:52.399 I mean, we see that in fitness, right? 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:56.720 More fitness competitions, more workout, more lifting, breaking my back. 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:00.639 You know, what's the average um uh lifespan of a bodybuilder? 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:02.399 It's like 45 years old. 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:02.879 Yeah. 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:03.519 What? 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:03.919 Right. 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:13.759 So I think it's probably twofold, but you're exactly right that we also create environments um staring at our phones till the second we go to bed, and then we wonder why we have, you know, an issue sleeping. 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:18.399 We eat highly processed foods all the time and then wonder why we have you know brain fog 24-7. 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:20.159 It's twofold. 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:25.840 So, how much do you guys look into the gut at all with interaction and how it influences brain? 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:27.279 Do you guys get into diet as well? 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:30.399 So, this is where we have partnerships with places like Arsenal, right? 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:32.879 Where we go, hey, we are the brain experts. 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:35.440 That's you know, I'm kind of a stay in your

lane, right? 00:16:35.519 --> 00:16:40.080 That you know, if somebody were to come to me and be like, Angie, will you create a training fitness program for them? 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:42.000 I'd be like, I won't be doing that for you. 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:42.399 No. 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:53.039 Because what works for me probably will not work for you, and also you will probably hate it because it's for me, and you know, I'm I'm not for I'm not I'm not everybody's cup of tea, and my fitness is not everybody's cup of tea. 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:55.519 I don't, you know, I'm not a gut expert. 00:16:55.679 --> 00:17:11.839 Now I know that the gut-brain connection is so interconnected and critical that if someone, you know, comes in and we're talking and we're gonna do a very deep intake, um, one, I can see inflammation markers in the brain, oxygenated stress, all these other things show up in different patterning. 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:15.599 I I regularly am like, hey, when was last time you had some blood work done? 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:27.279 It would not surprise you people saying never or you know, well, a couple years ago at my you know, annual fitness or whatever, or my annual you know, appointment with my primary care, but everything was good. 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:29.680 I'm like, could you tell me, you know, any of the what is good? 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:32.880 Because I've seen I've seen plenty of GPs to where their good is. 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:39.119 What is what is your you're not morbidly obese and you don't have like pre-diabetes at 35, so you're set? 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:39.519 Yeah. 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:42.559 There's a difference between health and like actual performance, right? 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:43.039 Absolutely. 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:47.839 So much of it's just predicated on, oh, there's nothing wrong with you, you're not gonna die in the next 12 months. 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:49.039 We'll see you again next year. 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:49.920 Yeah, or today. 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:55.039 Like, hey, this looks a little concerning, but like yeah, our gauge of what's actually healthy. 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:57.440 That's like, you know, the looking at the BMI. 00:17:57.519 --> 00:17:58.720 What gauge are we even talking about? 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:06.400 That does not, we're not looking at muscle, we're not so I never, you know, a lot of people, even you know, women in their early 40s, when was the last time you had a hormone panel done? 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:08.559 I don't know, I don't know. 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:11.119 So we we don't have those data markers. 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:13.119 So I'm gonna go, okay, I'm gonna stay in my lane. 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:18.160 Why don't you go to somewhere like Arsenal, like a functional med, like a, you know, somebody else? 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:19.519 Let's get some blood work done. 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:21.039 Let's take a look at what's going on there. 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:24.880 Because if you have some really dysregulated hormones, nerve feedback's not magic. 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:28.160 I'm you know, I'm not gonna go in and fix your pituitary gland somehow. 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:32.880 Um, so if there's other things happening, you know, we need to bring in other people that they are the expert. 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:34.960 Health is always a series of puzzle pieces. 00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:36.960 It would be sick if it was a silver bullet. 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:37.519 It's just not. 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:38.160 Sure. 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:41.759 Can you outdiscipline a dysregulated nervous system? 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:49.359 That is I honestly feel like probably I don't know why I felt you just like personally spoke to Angie. 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:51.519 Like on that, I'm like, can you, Angie? 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:52.319 Have you? 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:54.880 No, the answer is no, right? 00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:57.119 That you can be super disciplined. 00:18:57.279 --> 00:18:59.279 You cannot, I that is my superpower. 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:04.960 I am probably the most disciplined person, just like that is my superpower. 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:14.319 No, you can't outdiscipline a dysregulated nervous system because it's not happening on a thought-based level versus discipline is happening on a thought-based level, right? 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:16.640 That I'm putting patterns in place, right? 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:18.160 I want to start going to the gym. 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:19.680 What starts with going to the gym? 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:23.759 Waking up, putting your shoes on, getting a little workout fit, driving to the gym. 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:26.319 Maybe you don't even go in, but okay, you started the pattern. 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:26.559 Sure. 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:32.640 Versus a dysregulated nervous system is happening on that deeper down, like neurological level, and it's not thought-based. 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:33.680 It's very automatic. 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:36.079 The brain is taking the path of least resistance. 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:49.839 Now, one might argue that if you are so blisciplined that you start doing very wellness-oriented box breathing in the morning, grounding, sunlight first thing in the morning, can you start to reorient your nervous system? 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:50.640 You can. 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:53.599 So I, you know, honestly, it would take a lot. 00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:55.039 It would take a lot of discipline. 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:56.480 It would take a lot of time. 00:19:56.720 --> 00:19:58.880 Do I believe that people are capable of that? 00:19:59.039 --> 00:19:59.519 Yes. 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:02.880 Do I believe that people are disciplined enough to write it out? 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:07.440 Because this is not the Amazon Prime tomorrow morning on my doorstep. 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:14.480 This is, you know, let's say

six months to a year of everyday, relentless discipline to change that pattern. 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:15.039 Is it possible? 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:17.839 But also, it would have to do a lot with are they doing the right things? 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:26.400 Because everybody I work with, they all have their morning routine, and a lot of it for a long time has just been autonomous, they're no longer even present for it. 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:28.480 And it's like, is this even serving you anymore? 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:39.119 So are the are the interventions where I think a lot of people get confused with trying to up regulation, down regulation, trying to control this, is they're using the wrong interventions. 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:48.319 So that might not, what based on what you guys would actually find if you looked under the hood, they may be doing all of these things that social media is telling them is good that worked for somebody else. 00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:49.839 Somebody else is not what they need. 00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:50.240 Yeah. 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:58.880 That's the hard thing, right, about wellness across the board is that there's this one supplement that like that glutathione for everybody. 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:04.799 If if you don't have a super congested liver, like why are you, you know, chugging a bunch of glutathione every day? 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:07.200 If you, you know, I take melatonin. 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:17.440 Okay, is now, you know, did you actually need more melatonin, or are you, you know, shedding your brain with blue light up until the second you go to bed at night and your brain has no idea that it's actually nighttime anymore? 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:21.359 So do you have a do you have a melatonin issue or do you have a screen time issue? 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:29.200 Um, so yeah, but honestly, yeah, reflecting back, really extreme discipline might be able to change a dysregulated nervous system. 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:34.720 It would be about making sure that you're doing all the things to heal the type of dysregulated nervous system that you have. 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:35.119 Yeah. 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:41.599 So we we talk about obviously we can't have this conversation without getting into the technology, the phone use, the late work emails. 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:41.759 Yeah. 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:45.119 Um, you know, Matthew Walker, I've read a lot, I've been a big fan of Matthew. 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:56.000 I all of my athletes, Matthew Walker was the author of Why We Sleep, and it scared the shit out of me from somebody who did shift work in the military forever, pride myself on being up for 30 hours traveling. 00:21:56.079 --> 00:21:59.680 And so I I made my dad read it, I made everybody in my family read it. 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:10.400 And a lot of the he's actually changed his stance on some things when it comes to sleep regarding, and you you can probably talk about this a little

in greater depth. 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:16.559 But melatonin just kind of brings everybody to the start line of sleep, and then it does its thing. 00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:41.680 And he was saying that oftentimes what's been mistaken for obviously you don't want blue light right to the dome before you go to bed, but how just just how distracting the tell the phone is to the brain, to where oftentimes it's the notion of looking at your phone or even having your phone close is calling your attention, and that's oftentimes what leads to restlessness at night and ability to sleep. 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:46.400 So, how much is technology just completely overtaking the human experience? 00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:47.920 It's unbelievable. 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:57.920 Um, there's a book called Glow Kids, it talks about the uh technology addiction in America, and it compares the brains of children addicted to technology to adults addicted to cocaine. 00:22:58.079 --> 00:22:59.759 They look extremely similar. 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:05.359 So, one, right, our youth, and I I can't even get into that because that's a whole different situation, right? 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:08.559 That you know, you and I, I didn't grow up with computers in the school. 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:10.880 And if you did, it was like computer lab time, right? 00:23:10.960 --> 00:23:12.720 You when you like, you know, spent 15 minutes. 00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:13.680 I have no idea typing. 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:15.519 Playing Oregon Trail and Frogger. 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:16.079 Yeah. 00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:30.960 And then you went home, and like, unless you were like, I don't know, a filthy, wealthy, you didn't have like a PlayStation or anything like that, you were playing freaking outside, or you got on, you know, AOL for 15 minutes and you know, clogged up the phone line to d, you know, to message the people you just saw 15 minutes ago. 00:23:31.119 --> 00:23:35.759 Um, otherwise, you didn't have phones, you didn't have screens, you know, you were getting hurt outside. 00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:36.799 That's what you were doing. 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:38.880 Versus now we are so distracted. 00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:45.519 And I mean, it gets into one, what it's doing to our brain on a neuro level, neurological level, which is overstimulation, right? 00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:47.119 We are constantly flooding our brain. 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:51.599 There's a book called Dopamine Nation, one of the most impactful books I've ever read. 00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:53.039 It talks a lot about addiction. 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:59.359 And if you're not, if you haven't struggled with, let's say, traditional drug addiction or alcohol addiction, you're like, oh, that doesn't really relate. 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:01.119 Everybody has a dopamine addiction. 00:24:01.279 --> 00:24:08.880 Our culture is absolutely being overtaken by a dopamine epidemic where we constantly are inundated with dopamine all the time, right? 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:14.160 A like on your pick, you know, posting, whatever that is, you know, I want it now, I want it more. 00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:18.480 That when we don't constantly have that, we are seeking it like addicts, right? 00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:21.119 I need more, I want more, how do I get more? 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:25.680 And then our brain naturally is producing less because it's producing too much. 00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:26.960 So it keeps pulling back. 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:31.440 So we need a bigger hit to produce what we were able to produce before. 00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:39.119 So you're absolutely right that I mean, on probably 15 different levels, technology is hurting us, right? 00:24:39.200 --> 00:24:48.000 That we have more and more and more information and access to mental health than ever before in in human history, and we are somehow sicker. 00:24:48.720 --> 00:25:01.920 So, as somebody who wants, you know, I'm sure a lot of us have been there where we pride ourselves on our ability to multitask and you know, juggle five different things at one time, and now we're finding we're losing our ability to actually focus and do deep work. 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:12.960 So speak a little bit about like what where you guys find people who come in with that inability to focus, how potentially brain mapping and find this out. 00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:27.839 Like, what is the mechanism of focus, um, flow, deep work, stuff like that, and how what would be some guidelines around how somebody can not use technology to help them out in those situations? 00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:29.440 So when it comes to focus, right? 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:35.599 One, that's why we do a brain map because your inability to focus might be complete, a totally different pattern to my inability to focus. 00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:36.400 Probably is. 00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:41.359 If you've seen a brain map, you've seen a brain map that they are all literally completely different. 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:45.440 So we have to differentiate between why is your brain actually having a hard time focusing? 00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:49.440 Is it producing too much low wave activity so it's not actually picking things up? 00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:55.680 Is it producing way too much where it's just not, you know, even able to focus on anything because it has a thousand tabs open? 00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:56.480 Why is that? 00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:00.559 So that's the first thing that we're gonna do is figure out why are you actually having a hard time focusing. 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:04.079 Also, I would, I mean, I am a multitasker. 00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:08.319 I can do a lot of you know different things at the same time, completing tasks. 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:10.559 I have a pretty, I have like a faster processing speed. 00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:12.799 So my brain is kind of geared to doing that. 00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:14.720 Um, is that the right way?

00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:19.759 Do we want to be, do we want to do that where we have 50 tags open and we're doing a hundred different things? 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:25.680 I did a consultation with an 18-year-old who literally the first words out of his mouth were, I just need the ability to multitask. 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:27.119 I need to do a hundred different things at once. 00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:29.359 And I'm going, but why? 00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:30.640 Why do you need to do that? 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:34.319 What if you could do five things really well, then a hundred things half-ass? 00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:36.319 Like that, you know, is that really the goal? 00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:48.319 So we need to figure out why that's happening and then tailor everything that you're doing, whether it's neurofeedback, whether it's tasks, whether it's, you know, kind of different uh modalities that you're doing at home to be able to do that. 00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:52.559 Bilateral stimulation, tapping, box breathing, uh puzzling is a big one. 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:58.480 It's working in the hippocampus and teaching your brain to truly like hold on to things memory-wise better, right? 00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:01.039 You know, creating increase cognition and focus. 00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:02.880 So it just totally depends. 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:11.039 But yes, we're gonna create an individualized plan around your brain, why your brain is having a hard time doing that, so that we can start to overcome those things. 00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:14.000 How important is exercise to brain health? 00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:14.960 Critical. 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:20.240 I believe that exercise, there's a difference between fitness and wellness, a very big difference. 00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:23.680 I know a lot of people who are very, very fit who are very unwell, right? 00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:29.359 That they're, you know, all the trash protein powder and you know, trash bars and whatever. 00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:35.359 Not all bars and not all protein powder is trash, a lot are and have tons of additives and fillers and you know, all this stuff. 00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:38.240 But you look on the outside so good. 00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:41.680 On the inside, I don't even know what's probably going on, right? 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:43.599 Um, but actual fitness. 00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:51.279 So if we're talking about not extreme one way or the other, but we're talking about, you know, exercise, cardio for your, you know, vascular system for your heart. 00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:55.359 We're talking about lifting for your bones and for your muscles and for your brain. 00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:58.319 We're talking about going outside, right, and and doing fitness. 00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:03.599 A walk inside on a treadmill is very different um than a walk outside just for your neurological health. 00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:07.039 I believe it is an absolute critical component, just like sleep. 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:07.279 Sure. 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:10.160 Now, sleep is probably the- My next question was gonna be sleep. 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:11.359 Sleep's the number one. 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:11.759 Yeah. 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:17.440 Sleep is the number one longevity health, wellness, mental health. 00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:23.440 Like if I could hammer anything in, I know that we're so, oh seed oils, all the things, which I know I said that sarcastically. 00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:24.640 I also believe in no seed oils. 00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:26.319 Like, I also believe in no seed oils. 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.319 If if everybody in the world could change one thing, I would have them prioritize sleep. 00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:30.720 Nothing else. 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:34.160 That if it's like, hey, it's one or one or bust, it is sleep. 00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:36.720 And that is getting eight to nine hours of sleep. 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:38.799 That an opinion, well, what if I get six? 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:39.519 Get more. 00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:41.440 That I'm sorry, get more. 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:42.799 That that is the one thing. 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:50.799 There's literally areas and valves in your brain that only open up and and detox during certain aspects of sleep. 00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:59.119 So if you're only getting four hours, six hours, and it's fragmented and you go to bed at a different time every night and whatever, your brain is literally not detoxing. 00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:02.480 That it's you know, you're building up plaque in your brain. 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:04.480 Also, sleep medication. 00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:09.599 So I I've actually been on probably a multi-year journey of getting off sleep aids. 00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:16.640 I've never been on a um like heavy, heavy prescribed sleep medication, but I have been on antihistamines for a long time. 00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:21.119 And we know there is a very heavy correlation between antihistamines and dementia. 00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:31.119 And when I started reading that research with like H1, H2 blockers, Pepsid, Zertec, like what and what maybe I'm uh unisom, uh hydroxine. 00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:31.440 Yeah. 00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:40.319 So yes, I mean, if you're taking an antihistamine for all antihistamines are kind of created pretty equal, but there's a lot of sleep aids, and the reason they work is they are antihistamines. 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:45.759 That we have histamine intolerances are histamine spikes at night, so it helps us go to sleep and then stay asleep. 00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:51.039 And because something like unisom is, oh well, you can take it while pregnant, it must be safer. 00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:53.920 Absolutely not, right? 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:57.680 That maybe in the moment it's safer, it doesn't have as many side effects right now. 00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:01.759 But if you have dementia at 65, is that safer?

00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:07.200 Um, and so I've been going through a process of weaning off and getting off those sleep meds, and that is freaking hard. 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:10.960 It takes a lot of work, it takes a ton of discipline, it sucks. 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:16.559 And I absolutely understand why people just stay on sleep meds forever because they're like, well, sleep is more important. 00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:18.160 What if you're not actually sleeping? 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:19.920 What if you're just getting knocked out, right? 00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:26.079 And you know, for these really, really heavy sleep medications that are like heavily prescribed, you're not actually sleeping. 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:32.720 You're literally blacking out and waking up, which is why you're still tired, which is why you're still foggy, all these things, but you're getting sleep. 00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:34.799 You're not you're not getting any type of quality. 00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:39.519 Yeah, I've talked to a lot of clients who would use, obviously, we're in Colorado, so cannabis is legal. 00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:39.759 Yeah. 00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:44.880 Um and people that would have to have, you know, a couple drinks when they come home from work. 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:45.440 Of course, yeah. 00:30:45.680 --> 00:31:15.119 And so go into obviously we know sleep is in is critical, yeah, but go into how all these other interventions, well, number one, what side effects do these interventions have if somebody was using cannabis or any of its, you know, the derivatives or having a couple drinks after work to relax, how do those affect sleep, quality sleep, and then what type of rituals or interventions can people put in place to begin to groom the body and the mind? 00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:18.480 Like, okay, it's time to sleep, so now we're gonna start shutting it down naturally. 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:18.960 Yeah. 00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:28.400 As someone who used to have a really like a very insomnia sleep problem, I can absolutely understand that you will do anything to get sleep, right? 00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:36.000 That and so there is no freaking judgment that I get why you're taking a sleep aid or smoking a joint before you go to bed or having a couple drinks. 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:36.799 I get it. 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:40.240 It's not the answer, and it's it it's detrimental. 00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:40.880 Period. 00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:46.319 End of discussion, you're not getting good sleep, you're getting dysregulated, fragmented sleep. 00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:50.079 So it it it that's not the answer, but I understand why it's happening. 00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:53.119 So each of these things kind of affect the brain differently, right? 00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:58.640 That so cannabis affects the brain by creating alpha slowing in the prefrontal cortex. 00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:08.400 So truly, when you talk about, you know, the pothead who seems slow, who's kind of, you're absolutely destroying your prefrontal cortex, which is your executive functioning, right? 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:11.119 The way in which your brain makes decisions. 00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:17.119 So, I mean, sleep aside, you are quite literally eating your brain and destroying your brain. 00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:19.599 So, what I mean, I could talk about that all day long. 00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:21.200 So that is a really hard thing. 00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:24.319 As well as, you know, people talk about, well, it's not addictive. 00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:26.079 What? 00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:32.079 Have you like, have you ever met somebody who write like on the twice a year I have a little like puff away? 00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:32.480 Yeah. 00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:33.519 I meet very few people. 00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:36.480 Most people who I talk about, who who I talk to, it's possible. 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:39.279 And if you smoke a joint twice a year, like peace be with you. 00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:39.519 Sure. 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:48.480 Um, but more so I talk to people who use it as their end-all, like, I have to smoke when I'm stressed out, I smoke before I go to sleep, I smoke to have a good time. 00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:52.319 I d okay, so it you, yeah, you absolutely are addicted to that. 00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:54.799 Alcohol, as we know, is a downer, right? 00:32:54.880 --> 00:33:00.640 So that's creating a whole bunch of other issues, but it's downregulating your nervous system. 00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.359 And that's why you're using it to downregulate to go to bed. 00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:04.240 I have this conversation. 00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:09.440 We work a ton with first responders across Colorado and the United States. 00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:15.359 And I meet so many first responders who are like, I don't, I wouldn't even think about trying to go to bed with not being three deep whiskey. 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:22.400 And I get it because I look at your brain and understand that we need to teach your brain to downregulate by itself. 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:25.759 One, so you don't have a problem with alcohol, first and foremost. 00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:28.000 Probably let's get you sober to begin with. 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:33.119 Um, as you know, alcohol over time is going to literally destroy your brain, right? 00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:34.000 Pickle your brain. 00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:36.240 And you you can't unpickle that cucumber, right? 00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:37.759 It that like when that's done, that's done. 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:39.519 So let's get you sober to begin with. 00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:51.279 But then adding neurofeedback in, right, to help regulate your brain in a way that now we're not constantly needing to put something synthetic in to do to our brain what our brain's not able to do on its own. 00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:53.519 So walk me through the neurofeedback process. 00:33:53.680 -->

00:34:00.160 So somebody comes in, they get their mapping, and you put a paper in front of and say, here's your brain. 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:00.720 Yeah. 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:02.079 What happens after that? 00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:04.240 Yeah, so we're absolutely gonna walk through, right? 00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:08.719 Like we did, hey, here's what I'm seeing in your brain, here's what's going on, you know, neurological patterns. 00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:09.920 I'm very big on education. 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:13.519 I don't want, you know, to bring someone in and be like, your brain's got issues, let's heal it. 00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:16.480 And they're like, okay, I guess I just trust you. 00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:18.000 No, like don't blindly trust me. 00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:21.199 Let me explain to you what's going on and how we're gonna change that, right? 00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.880 And then the actual neurofeedback process is probably between like six to nine months. 00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:26.480 I'd say let's start with six. 00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:29.599 If people are coming in person, they're doing two times a week. 00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:31.599 We do have a global remote program. 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:34.400 I can do a brain map and neurofeedback from anywhere. 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:39.199 So if someone is not near Colorado or lives in the mountains or something, you don't have to go anywhere. 00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:40.079 Stay in your home. 00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:50.239 I will ship everything to you, and we can do it that way, which is that was a baby that was birthed out of COVID that, you know, people in you know, two days decided, I'm never going into an office ever again. 00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:57.440 So we said, okay, then we have to meet people where they're at and create, you know, a product and a program that that can be done from anywhere. 00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:05.679 Um, the remote's gonna be similar, you know, uh nine months or sorry, probably six to nine months, uh, three to four times a week, 20 minute sessions, right? 00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.639 So this is a very low barrier to entry, right? 00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:11.039 You know, that even right when we talk about fitness, right? 00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:12.320 Work out three times a week. 00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:14.559 Let's start with three times a week for 30 minutes, right? 00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:19.039 That if someone is not willing to commit that, then you're probably just not willing, you're not there yet. 00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:19.760 You know what I mean? 00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:25.039 Because when people do say things like, I just don't have time, we make time for the things that we value, period. 00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:26.559 You know, we put finances. 00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:36.320 I was listening to a podcast yesterday, and you know, one was talking about health and wellness, and she goes, I never hear somebody say I can't get my roots done because the economy is rough. 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:39.360 I was like, oh damn, like that's those brows gotta get done, dude. 00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:42.320 Those brows gotta get those lashes gotta get tinted. 00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:49.039 So it's like, you know, what you're putting finance towards the things that matter to you, you know, and really we try to make neurofeedback very cost affordable. 00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:57.360 So you're talking about probably a six-month commitment, probably an hour and a half to two hours a week commitment to change your brain and to change your life. 00:35:57.679 --> 00:35:58.639 So, what does that look like? 00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:00.480 So, how are you changing their brain? 00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:02.719 Yes, what is the actual neurofeedback doing? 00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:03.119 Yeah. 00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:11.039 So when someone you know comes into the office, or if they have the remote headset on, they'll have um a headset on that has a lot of little electrodes embedded into it. 00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:15.280 Key component there's never ever any electrical stimulus going into their brain. 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:17.039 This is not weird shock, anything. 00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:19.679 Nothing, this is not ECT, nothing's going in. 00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:24.000 The electrodes are picking up information, monitoring and reading what the brain is doing. 00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:31.840 So electrodes pick up the electricity, and then the feedback loop of neurofeedback is the electrodes are gonna pick it up, it's gonna go into an amplifier. 00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:38.719 It's if it's remote, it's an app on your phone, and then it gets fed back to you through visual and auditory forms of reward, watching, listening. 00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:47.519 Those things are very much working as a mirror for your brain, that your brain gets to experience in real time what it's doing and training itself. 00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:53.920 Um, for example, right, I might have someone watching a brain game, playing a brain game, you know, or watching a show. 00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:55.599 Both of those things are very passive. 00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:00.639 So this is not something that you're coming in, and especially when we work with high-achieving people, like, I'm gonna win neurofeedback. 00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:08.559 Nope, that today, today is not that's you know, you almost have to get out of your own way because it's not about your thoughts, like, oh, create more theta. 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:12.960 It's a it's that underlying neurological pattern that's happening so automatically. 00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:16.239 That's what I'm training, what you're not even thinking about, right? 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:30.719 Um, so you know, let's say that somebody today is doing the plane games this little plane and goes through all these tunnels, their brain is physically controlling how fast it's going, how much exhaust is coming out, the music going up and

down, but not with thoughts, with waves. 00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:35.760 So they put the headset on, they have the phone in front of them, and I'm gonna walk them through, right, how to kind of prepare for that. 00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:37.679 Take some deep breaths, get into that place. 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:39.679 It's hard to tell people, do nothing, right? 00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:42.880 But really, if you know, if I were to just say it straight, it'd be like, do nothing. 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:43.760 Just watch it. 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:44.719 Be present. 00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:48.000 You're not trying to create anything, you're not trying to make that happen. 00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:51.519 Let your brain do what it's gonna do automatically and take over. 00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:54.559 So the plane, you know, pedaling along, going slowly. 00:37:54.800 --> 00:38:00.480 As the brain is doing that, um, there it's basically experiencing either lack of reward or reward. 00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:01.360 There's no punishment. 00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:08.480 So if the screen is dark, if the plane is going slow, if the volume is low, their brain is just being told right now, that's not what I'm looking for. 00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:12.800 Fortunately, as human beings, we have phenomenal performance-based brains. 00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:18.159 Our brains are always looking for reward stimulus and looking for novelty, right? 00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:22.960 That if right now we heard a crash outside, automatically we would both look towards it. 00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:26.400 Not because we're like, damn, that the sound of that crash was so enjoyable. 00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:27.199 It's novelty. 00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:29.599 Our brain's like, oh my God, what just what just happened? 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:33.440 So things are happening in the system that we've created to be novelty. 00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:40.239 So the brain is staying engaged and automatically it's gonna fire off different wave activity in order to seek that reward. 00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:41.599 And it doesn't know what to do right away. 00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:43.679 It's very much a learning experience. 00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:56.480 So if your brain, we know your brain is producing tons of high beta all the time, only when your brain is producing X amount of theta that I'm asking for, slower, calmer wave activity within thresholding, is it gonna receive reward? 00:38:56.639 --> 00:39:09.199 But the minute it gives me even four holts of Hertz of micro voltage and theta, your plane speeds up, the exhaust, you know, goes out, the music goes up, your brain is told now through novelty reward, wait a second, yeah, that was it, keep going. 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:16.880 And we do those things enough times over time, moving the sensors around, training different areas of the brain that we commit those new patterns to permanency. 00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:19.840 So this is something that's progressive throughout the process. 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:22.239 Yeah, nothing magic happens at six months, right? 00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:27.760 If you go to the gym for six months, it's not like on day, you know, 600 and four, what that you're like, now I'm shredded. 00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:29.679 Today is the day I woke up and I'm jacked. 00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:31.360 It is that progressive change over time. 00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:36.960 That's also the way we, you know, take pictures of our bodies because we might get six weeks in and be like, I have lost nothing. 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:39.440 I am exactly the same, the gym sucks. 00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:42.239 And then we look back at pictures and go, all right, girl, yeah. 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:42.559 Right. 00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:47.840 I see a little definition and hey, you step on the scale and you're like, five pounds off, what's up? 00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:49.119 Okay, now I see that. 00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:52.960 But when you live in your brain every single day, sometimes it's hard to gauge that change. 00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:57.280 We're watching what the brain is producing via micro voltage every single session. 00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:04.079 So, yes, we're tracking that change qualitatively, your feedback to me, we're also trained tracking it quite quantitatively, right? 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:05.119 The actual numbers. 00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:09.679 Yeah, so how if somebody went somebody goes through this process, you see their brain change. 00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:17.920 Obviously, I imagine you guys see a lot of different types of individuals for a myriad of different challenges or problems or activity in the brain. 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:18.159 Yeah. 00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:22.719 What if when somebody goes through the six to eight months, what are they reporting? 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:26.239 How is it affecting their quality of life or their relationships or their job? 00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:26.639 Yeah. 00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:28.159 What results you guys see? 00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.159 Without talking about anything specifically, right? 00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:37.440 Because we train anxiety, depression, PTSD, trauma, you know, brain injuries, mental health related to brain injuries, you know, physics, all these things. 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:43.039 Um, I would say that, you know, people are sleeping deeper, waking, feeling more rested, more focused. 00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:48.159 If it's somebody, especially with overstimulation, like less or no anxiety, right? 00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:58.239 That I literally have people going from I have panic attacks regularly to I do not remember what anxiety feels like, having, you know, no energy to clean, consistent energy, right? 00:40:58.400 --> 00:40:59.519 And now this is gonna span. 00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:00.159 You're exactly right. 00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:04.559 That if someone started on a 10, you know, realistically, you know, can we get to a zero every

single time? 00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:04.960 No. 00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:06.880 Can I get somebody down to a three? 00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:07.519 Well, yeah. 00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:09.199 Is a three life changing? 00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:10.159 Absolutely, right? 00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:16.639 You know, somebody who goes from, Angie, you know, I it takes me three hours to fall asleep to what if you could fall asleep within 20 minutes, right? 00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:19.360 You know, feel feel that regulation happening, get tired. 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:25.119 So um it does depend on what somebody comes in with, but across the board, we're looking for life transformation change. 00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:27.760 I'm not looking for, you know, uh, maybe 10%. 00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:29.679 Now 10% would be great. 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:30.800 We're looking for more than 10. 00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:41.519 Yeah, with when anecdotally, a lot of the individuals I've worked with, you know, you hear this term high performance, high performers thrown around all the time, even though very few people say how to define it. 00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:47.199 And oftentimes, you know, that comes with an inability to relax, they have three gas pedals and no brakes. 00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:58.960 And a lot of people that I've spoken with are reluctant to get seek help or therapy or whatever you guys do because they feel they're losing their edge. 00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:04.960 And I try to explain to them that this will make them far more productive in the areas that they want to be productive. 00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:20.239 So for the the individual out there that might be scared to lose their edge, or maybe you can talk a little bit about the difference between at what point does high performance become self-destructive, yeah, and where are people going if they continue to follow that path without an intervention? 00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:23.679 Or what are you seeing in the brains of people who don't have that brake pedal? 00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:32.719 I actually hear this a lot, you know, that like, well, yeah, I'm you know super anxious, but that's where you know I'm I'm motivated, that's where I get stuff done, that's how I have energy. 00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:34.880 So I think about it, you know, kind of like this, right? 00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:39.440 So if you and I, you know, go to the gym and we both, you know, pick up a weight, right? 00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:41.280 You know, it's down on the ground, we both pick it up. 00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:43.440 We have both, you know, picked up weight, right? 00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:47.519 Now, if you're doing it properly and you do a deadlift, you're gonna build muscle. 00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:51.039 If I do it improperly, I'm gonna throw out my back, I'm gonna feel crummy. 00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:52.320 Did we both pick up a weight? 00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:55.119 Well, yeah, like technically we're both doing the exact same thing. 00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:57.519 You're doing it properly, I'm doing it improperly. 00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:01.920 So, yes, two people, you know, you are going 100 miles an hour, right? 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:03.519 You're getting a lot of stuff done. 00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:07.679 If you are doing it improperly, it will deteriorate you over time, right? 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:11.679 That's where you hear about people having, you know, I don't know, heart attacks at 45, a stroke. 00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:14.000 You are so starting, people start to burn out, right? 00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:16.079 That think about your brain like a car. 00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:25.920 If you are driving a Ferrari, even a Ferrari is not meant to go 100 miles an hour all the time on the freeway with absolutely no, you know, maintenance or no gas or no anything. 00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:29.280 At some point, that high-powered vehicle is gonna start to burn out, right? 00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:33.519 What people don't understand is I'm not trying to take your Ferrari and make it a Kia, right? 00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:36.480 Now there's nothing wrong with driving a Kia that's gonna get you from A to B. 00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:39.440 But if you have a Ferrari, you're never trying to trade that in, right? 00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:43.119 I'm trying to give you control of the high powered vehicle that you're driving. 00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:46.960 And when you need to go 100 miles an hour, it should be able to have that kick. 00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:48.480 Fire it up, let's go. 00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:55.280 It also should be able to go 80 and 60 and 30 and park and shut off and then woo ramp back up to 100. 00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:56.960 But you don't have the flexibility to do that. 00:43:57.039 --> 00:43:59.039 So right now you're just 100 miles an hour all the time. 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.400 the things that is not maintainable for anybody. 00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:07.760 Like don't don't come to me with anybody at you know 95 going, I lived the best life going a hundred miles. 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:08.719 You didn't make it to 95. 00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:12.960 Yeah in training we use the metaphor the body will compensate until the split second it can't anymore. 00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:15.440 So it's supposed to be it'll hold itself together for a long, long time. 00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:19.039 That's why people can get away with training like an asshole for years and years and years. 00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:25.679 And then the moment the one thing holding it together snaps, you have catastrophe, injury or worse. 00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:30.320 So how is the brain compensating for our lifestyle and for our stress? 00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:34.000 And then what will that end up leading to if there isn't some intervention? 00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.519 So that's where honestly people have significant cognitive decline. 00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.000 So one, our brains are incredible, right?

00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:45.360 We know from an athletic standpoint that your brain will give up far before your body actually needs to. 00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:48.639 So your brain truly determines if you can do something or not. 00:44:48.719 --> 00:45:01.760 If you tell yourself you can't then you cannot versus if the if stakes were were on the line like absolutely you could if you needed to run a marathon right now I guarantee you any person mind over matter physically could do it. 00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:02.719 Would it be easy? 00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:02.960 No. 00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:03.760 Would it be fun? 00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:04.239 No. 00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:07.840 If it was you know life or death yeah they could absolutely make it happen. 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:10.000 Your brain is just telling you you know that you cannot. 00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:17.679 So if you're telling your brain we have to make this happen we have to go we can't sleep all those things your brain will rise to the occasion and match that. 00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:19.039 So your brain is incredible. 00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:25.679 At some point cognitively and I see this in brain patterns all the time where someone comes in and they're experiencing brain fog. 00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:31.679 They are exhausted right all these different things I look at their brain and their brain is producing excess delta now. 00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:33.920 Delta is excess slow wave activity. 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:42.320 It is just like puttering out fumes right that you have run so hard for so long that now your brain is starting to gas out, right? 00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:49.840 And now unfortunately rather than if we had just done some maintenance on the front end, now we're like in a full engine repair, right? 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:55.360 Okay, now we have to you know push down some of this delta, we have to increase some of this we probably your system, right? 00:45:55.440 --> 00:46:01.199 You know, you talk about adrenal fatigue and you know all these stuff probably your whole body is burnt right you have gut issues, all these things. 00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:19.199 So now we need to put 15 different things in place versus how do you realize that at you know 28 30 35 years old versus 45 that there was an actual problem and we needed some maintenance you know now we're in repair versus had we just put some things in place earlier, we could have avoided this like full system repair. 00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:31.039 What are things that you see that are shocking you in a lot of these things that what shocks Angie it it's hard to shock me because I've seen so many different so many different brain maps. 00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:39.679 I will say I see a lot of what look like physiological like brain injuries showing up. 00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:45.199 So I do see a lot of people with excess delta who don't have a brain injury pattern. 00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:50.159 And you know I'll ask that because that is a a common pattern of like a concussion or a TBI or something like that. 00:46:50.239 --> 00:47:05.920 And people are like no I've never had that and it is either from you know brain burn up burnout I see a lot of mold even here in Colorado like mold is a very big thing or lines you know things like that where people are showing other you know neural almost like a neurological injury and they're showing all the symptoms of it. 00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:11.679 I I did a brain map review for a young man he was probably 28 years old who I saw this very heavy delta pattern. 00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:12.639 I go, what's going on? 00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:14.320 Did you have a you know do you have a concussion history? 00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:16.880 He's like no didn't play contact sports nothing like that. 00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:30.719 But all of the symptoms that he was talking about you know so much fatigue so much you know oh my gosh mental fog I was like oh my God like two minutes before we got off the call he goes you know what I found out six weeks ago that I have black mold in my house and we're having to renovate. 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:35.519 I was like you're hearing a lot about mold right now a lot about mold right now a lot. 00:47:35.840 --> 00:48:04.480 And I do believe also you know some people you know might be a little bit more neurologically sensitive right that you know it it depends right some one person could live in a moldy house and they really don't show a lot of symptoms in another person right I believe there's also gene expression and there you know we might have an underlying gene or pattern for something and it never gets expressed versus if we have a virus or you know different things I'm not trying to get too political but if we have different things that can come in and then you know transform and change something in our body to express those genes. 00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:07.440 And now we're hypersensitive to a lot of other things. 00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:17.519 So honestly just you know in in today's world we need to be very careful on what we're ingesting and putting in our bodies and especially you know in in the day and age of like peptides for everything. 00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:29.920 And I I'm a fan I you know I like some peptides know what you're doing you know research what's going into your body because it can have very lasting effects in other ways and can trigger things that might have not been triggered before. 00:48:30.159 --> 00:49:34.960 Yeah as somebody who grew up rough and tumble kid snowboarding accidents bike accidents BMX accidents um concussive blasts in the military where are you seeing these show up and how vital is how important is this for veterans like myself or uh sport performance athletes people who've car crashes anything because from what I've learned is they can see this stuff all the way back from almost infancy like that time when you were five years old and you ran your bike into the

mailbox which exactly what I did go into that how important is it that people begin to intercept this and then what happens if they don't down the road where you've seen the concussive the impact oh my gosh in in cognition right and mental clarity and you know your brain's ability to kind of bounce back that I actually believe and just anecdotally have seen that one major like very severe TBI is actually a lot less detrimental depending on the severity you know that that's with a couple of caveats than compounding concussions over time. 00:49:35.119 --> 00:50:07.760 Right that we see that in football players right you have guys who are 38 years old trying to commit suicide who have all the money and all the things why is that because their brains are so heavily impacted and they are so for lack of a better term messed up that they don't even want to live anymore right they they are not in control of their emotions they're super reactive lashing out angry all these things screaming at their kids screaming at their wife whatever and they're going oh my gosh I have I have literally no control over this and then we look at their brain and they have damage in the prefrontal cortex and I'm not even getting into white and gray matter damage. 00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:47.840 I'm just talking about surface wave activity that their brain is so lit up with all of these other things that that feels like they're their only option and I've worked with a lot of these guys whether it's you know a veteran or NFL or NHL or you know all these different high impact areas first responders right who you know probably it's you know rub some dirt in it until you can't anymore right until now wait I have no you know I'm on my fifth divorce and I have no successful relationships and I I can't work right I might be on like medical leave because I am so unwell but then you know it's like but technically you know what's wrong right that you know you might have an a normal MRI but you have a very abnormal Q E E G. 00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:51.360 That just means you don't have a skull fracture that doesn't mean that everything's normal. 00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:52.159 Yeah. 00:50:53.039 --> 00:51:34.159 What are some things from from your experience and what you've seen what are some things that might actually piss some people off as far as some inconvenient truths about the brain and the mind and I or what misconceptions do you see when you open the wild jungle of social media and you see a lot of stuff that that isn't proven that's being screwed what are some inconvenient truths that are hard pills to swallow for a lot of people about I think well I mean there's a lot a lot of hard you know pills to swallow but one is probably just that what people think that they're doing to be healthy is isn't. 00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:35.119 You know what I mean? 00:51:35.199 --> 00:52:05.599 That you know when you break down food, when we look at highly processed food um there's a book called Metabolical that I read that our food and this highly processed chemically filled food is designed to make you addicted to it right so you're walking around you know holier than thou that I don't do drugs, you know, I'm so fitness, wellness, you know, I'm all the things and you're eating highly processed trash that your body cannot possibly digest that's literally poisoning you over time and is you know affecting your brain. 00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:34.800 So the you know the kind of the kind of wellness trends right of all the different you know the um the uh drinks that we drink you know all these different you know 50 000 million grams of protein that will probably piss people off that we don't need nearly as much protein as we are being fed you know 200 grams a day get the you don't need to like stop it stop it right like I truly have been more pressured to eat more protein like now as an adult that I was ever pressured to I don't know smoke weed when I was 15. 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:38.159 Like there is more pressure now to do all of these things. 00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:55.199 You don't need it right uh the carnivore all this like all the meat all the things I this is you know you could argue both ways your body absolutely needs vegetables it needs detoxification that there is balance to everything. 00:52:55.280 --> 00:53:05.360 I've read a ton of plant-based diet books and a ton of you know meat-based diet books and honestly I probably believe that the one that's has heavier research is plant-based. 00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:10.960 The only diet on the planet that can reverse heart disease is a plant-based vegan diet. 00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:17.199 I'm not talking about a ton of highly processed vegan trash I'm talking about plants and natural plant-based foods. 00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:21.599 So like get the frick out of here that that's the only thing that can reverse heart disease. 00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:40.239 So that'll probably piss people off who are sitting around eating a steak for breakfast and a steak for dinner smothered in butter and like I'm figuring slightly like personally offend everybody like get you get you some freaking you know carnivorous veg or um like you know carciferous vegetables that your brain absolutely needs to detoxify. 00:53:40.480 --> 00:54:22.320 Yeah well we're seeing and people are starting to become aware of that fiber is also a macronutrient that needs to be accounted for outside of strictly just carbohydrate like fiber you need so many grams of fiber per uh grams of uh of protein um yeah for your body to even be able to absorb so there's actually a book called Fiber Fueled it's one now it's definitely on one side so if you're if you love meat and you're a carnivore read it with the lens of like it's actually not condemning of meat in any way it's just like hey this is this is also why fiber and plants are incredible and and treat our bodies so well and our brains so well that's an incredible book if you're

looking to actually you know expand you know expand your understanding. 00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:35.599 Yeah so if if people are listening to this and they're experiencing all the very relatively normal human things of anxiety or sadness or just maybe experiencing it a little too often, right? 00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:36.960 Because all these things are normal. 00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:46.719 What would your advice be to them as far as if they were seeking out to to figure out how to get in touch with you, how this can help them? 00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:53.280 Like what would be your your recommendation or I so I mean we do completely free consultation. 00:54:53.360 --> 00:55:09.039 So at Braincode Centers is our Instagram Braincodecenters.com is our website I never want it to cost someone something to find out even what their options are right so doing a consultation is a great place to start just on let's have a conversation right let's see if this even feels like a right fit for you. 00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:32.559 Also I just am a big believer in like understanding our bodies better and and and who we are right so even if you're like oh neurofeedback doesn't sound right for me do a brain map right that that's like doing blood work before spending$500 a month in supplements right like are you just taking a very expensive pee every single day because you you know you're a billion milligrams of magnesium and don't have any like deficiency in magnesium. 00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:40.639 Let's understand what's happening internally neurologically so that we can create some plans around that and I have people do that all the time. 00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:49.119 They just want to do a brain map they just want to understand things better so that we can create a plan and even make micro changes every day that are going to have really big impact. 00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:49.599 Sure. 00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:50.960 So where can people find you? 00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:59.840 At Brain Code Centers our Instagram is a great place follow us, DM us um I am the worst at social media but the owner Rachel is fantastic. 00:55:59.920 --> 00:56:09.519 She runs the Instagram she will DM you back right away we can set you up for a consultation go peek around on our website we have great Google reviews we have a lot of testimonials so don't just trust me. 00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:25.840 I mean I have done a lot of neural feedback for myself personally I had a you know a skull fracture traumatic brain injury back in the day and and and I'm truly like you know kind of a beacon for your brain is capable of healing that you know my brain was unwell and I have found a lot of healing with alternative medicines. 00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:52.159 We give a lot of like brain health tips and stuff on our Instagram um and yeah go read the testimonials this is coming from hundreds of people who have had really life transformative change with the modality that we offer yeah and you've done a lot of speaking you have some YouTube videos and stuff like that so Angie Nowak um obviously we had our we're excited we're gonna have a partnership with you guys yeah um trying to get everything under one roof and get people the access and access to the resources they need so I appreciate the time Angie thank you so much. 00:56:52.559 --> 00:57:00.639 Yes, I think we're gonna get it