Full Transcript for _truecrime OnlyFans Model Pleads Guilty In Bizarre Fetish Session Tragedy

00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:44.759 Okay? 75 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:50.000 However that how would she still shackled or eating our shackled? 76 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:54.240 I believe that she does have a watte chain of it. 77 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:58.839 Okay for today's ulinary Harris's for not proud of the jury. 78 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:02.879 That's gonna agree. Therefore says her feet and. 79 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:06.240 Legs, her out shackle and her writing armistry and. 80 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:08.879 Able to write communicate as long as she's not uncomfortable, 81 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:13.519 go ahead and stay, thank you, thank you? 82 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:15.680 Okay? Anything else is your going? 83 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:16.399 No? 84 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:21.399 People doesn't look at this, y'all. It says the men 85 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:25.519 allegedly want us to be rapped like a mummy. So 86 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:28.519 if he wanted to be rapped like a mummy, what 87 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:30.839 does that mean? So he's gonna be wrapped from his 88 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:33.839 legs all the way up now, I'm gonna let it play, 89 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:37.000 and then when we get to about ten minutes, I'll 90 00:06:37.040 --> 00:06:38.439 go ahead and stop it and we can do Q 91 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:40.079 and a people call. 92 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:41.480 Talk to Deborah Mary. 93 00:06:41.800 --> 00:07:09.040 Okay, cool, all right, doctor, right. 94 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:12.680 Now, all right, we're going to come back out. We 95 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:14.519 understand there was an issue finding the witness. 96 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:15.439 I just want to comment. 97 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:18.519 I understand the judges rulings that the shackles are not 98 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:20.360 going to come off for a preliminary hearing with the 99 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:21.319 jury's not present. 100 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:23.079 I'm still a little surprised. 101 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:25.199 Yeah, it sounds like he just didn't want to take 102 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:25.560 the time. 103 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:28.319 Yeah, she's certainly not one of those types of defendants 104 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:30.639 that one would think, uh, there will be an. 105 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:33.319 Issue with her not being shackled in court, but it doesn't. 106 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:36.120 Ready and to take them off for a preliminary hearing, 107 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:37.399 but there's no prejudice to the. 108 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:42.360 Well, first of all, this woman then wrap this man 109 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:45.040 up like a mummy and he is no longer here. 110 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:48.319 And y'all want everybody to feel safe up in the court, 111 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:53.399 are y'all? Okay, Absolutely put double shackle her because I 112 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:56.399 don't know if she's gonna leap over or anything like that. 113 00:07:56.800 --> 00:08:01.160 In those moments, you just never know. Because recently there 114 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:04.120 was this guy. He was in trial and he got 115 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:07.519 sentenced and he punched his attorney. So yeah, we need 116 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:09.040 her locked up. Let's go. 117 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:12.360 I think that's where you was. I think you're right, okay, 118 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:14.600 And I just want to say, this is a crazy, 119 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:15.480 crazy case. 120 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:16.040 Tell us more. 121 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:19.279 This is about a couple, two people living together, having 122 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:23.959 three kids, having a OnlyFans page that's idyllic family life, 123 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:26.920 but then having a secondary page where there's a sex 124 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:30.399 company where she would rent out strippers, including herself, and 125 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:32.600 this guy rented her out to do some sort of 126 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:36.279 sado masochism type stuff that went too far, and she 127 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:39.440 was filming it all for her only fans page. 128 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:41.440 It just really, for me, is another sign of the. 129 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:45.759 Time which the customer wanted. He wanted the act with 130 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:49.600 the saran wrap over the head and then wanted it 131 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:51.480 filmed and put on the page. 132 00:08:53.559 --> 00:08:56.279 Okay, So I guess I can break this down a 133 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:58.679 little bit. So that's kind of like the humiliation. He 134 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:01.759 wanted to be stripped of his power, right, but he 135 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:05.600 wanted to be wrapped up. And like I said, these 136 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:10.720 fetishes are They may seem strange to us, but they 137 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:16.759 are so normal in that world. 138 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:18.399 That the state is claiming he didn't want the bag 139 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:19.159 over the head. 140 00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:21.919 Never asked for that specifically, and they're saying the whole 141 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:24.399 thing went too far. Should have stopped. She didn't stop it, 142 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:25.919 and that's why they've charged her. 143 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:28.679 Yeah, this is going to be an interesting case. All right, 144 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:31.159 we're going to have more from this preliminary hearing in 145 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:32.799 the fatal fetish murder case. 146 00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:34.679 Stay with us here on Court TV. You're for a 147 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:44.679 sip to justice. 148 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:47.960 The married mom of three eventually called nine one one 149 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:49.799 when she realized that Dale wasn't breathing. 150 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:53.879 But the fifty Oh wow, so she's

married. So she's 151 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:58.799 a married mom of three and she has an extracurricular 152 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:03.159 activity like she's a dominatrix on the side. 153 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:05.200 Wow. 154 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:08.399 So you know what for the dominatrix out there, y'all 155 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:13.360 might have to rearrange y'all's services. And you need to 156 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:19.840 put a clause in there of some some sort. You know, hey, 157 00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:23.960 if if this gets too extreme, you know, we gotta stop. 158 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:25.960 You know, you got to have that clause in there. 159 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:29.960 Let's go five year old victim later succumbed to his injury. 160 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:31.039 Well, let's go back to court. 161 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:34.480 The first witness, Deputy Medical Examiner, doctor Deborah Berry. Again, 162 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:35.840 this is a preliminary hearing. 163 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:48.519 Thank you for your patients. We'll start off. 164 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:53.799 Spell for the record. 165 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:56.559 R A E E R our mind. 166 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:00.679 Doctor Barry, good morning to you. 167 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:01.559 Can you tell us what you. 168 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:02.159 Do for a living? 169 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:02.440 Please? 170 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:07.360 An for how long have you been a deputy medical 171 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:11.960 lexander for years? Can you briefly explain what your duties 172 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:13.080 and responsibilities are? 173 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:14.080 Yes? 174 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:19.799 I perform authoses to the gentleman because in cases the 175 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:21.000 phone in your order station. 176 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:26.200 Can you describe for us your education and background that 177 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:29.080 qualifies you for this job? Yes? 178 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:34.159 After in my undergraduate degree, gained a Masters and science 179 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:41.600 in middle school a medical doctorate only that into athology 180 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:46.279 residency program, the two pious one in neurocology and. 181 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:51.679 One in technology. Have you ever testified in court before? Yes? 182 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:54.279 Can you estimate for us about how many times? 183 00:11:57.559 --> 00:12:00.639 Can you also estimate for us about how many autopsy 184 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:02.039 autopsy's new. 185 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:04.519 Either conducted or assistant. 186 00:12:08.759 --> 00:12:11.679 I want to talk to you about just the autopsy 187 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:13.519 process in general. 188 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:17.240 Can you kind of just walk us through how it works. 189 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:17.919 And what you're looking for? 190 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:23.080 Okay, So before we get into

her testimony, I just 191 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:25.519 want to run this back through with you guys, if 192 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:28.080 you are just now rolling in. We are covering the 193 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:35.159 fatal fetish murder trial California versus Mikayla Okay. The victim 194 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.240 is identified as Michael Dale, a fifty six year old man. 195 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:43.159 The police said he paid for paid the young lady 196 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:49.399 for fetish sex encounter. What we have now is direct examination. 197 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:53.759 We got Deborah Bury, the deputy medical examiner, and she's 198 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:57.519 given us the rundown. What's the process, what happened, what 199 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:00.320 does she do, what does she find out and how 200 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:02.320 did she come up with expectsia. 201 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:07.639 Sure, so it starts with a sand vision of the 202 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:12.679 BANDI has received a document signs of medical intruition or 203 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:18.200 stars unifying box or any signs of injury or macancies. 204 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:22.799 Then we open up on you do same thing internally. 205 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:28.960 With yours before you start an autopsy in cases involving 206 00:13:29.559 --> 00:13:35.279 the police, is there any information that you want to 207 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:38.480 know before you start an autopsy from the police. 208 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:42.120 Ins prior to an autopsy you received in the SA 209 00:13:42.360 --> 00:13:46.000 report where they tell us kind of be the certain starving, 210 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:50.480 the death happened prior to it, whether it is transported 211 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:58.279 to hospital, things like that in a auservolved or policevolved death. 212 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:04.840 Say, how about. 213 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:10.240 Any pre existing medical conditions and why is that important 214 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:11.200 in your analysis? 215 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:16.840 It's good to put everything in a context and designed 216 00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:22.519 for many special procedures. In the autopsy instance, if seen 217 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:27.639 it hasgulous if you might want toolation room. 218 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:31.879 How about toxicology results? Is that something you also take into. 219 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:34.879 Consideration when we finalize. 220 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:40.080 The yes and during the autopsy process? Are blood samples 221 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:46.600 taken for that purpose? Does the emmy's office have its 222 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:49.440 own toxicology lab or how does that work. 223 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:56.480 In conducting an autopsy? What is the ultimate role for 224 00:14:56.559 --> 00:15:04.320 you to show the cause of er? When conducting an autopsy? 225 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:07.879 Can you tell us who is present? Who are the 226 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:09.679 parties involved with you? 227 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:16.240 So typically at an AUTOSI there's the pathologist, autosy technicians. 228 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:19.360 We go the first AUTOSI specialists who will help with 229 00:15:19.399 --> 00:15:23.720 the proceders, the manual performance of the autosy. We might 230 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:26.480 have launch to an aulsers present. 231 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:29.039 In cases where there is a conserver problay. 232 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:31.200 Sometimes in deputies to parities. 233 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:35.159 What is a witnessing pathologist? 234 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:40.399 So at this office, in cases of an onside, we 235 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:43.200 have the witnessing pathologist in the event that the olives 236 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:45.679 performing the autosity candor. 237 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:54.879 And during the autopsy process. What is the witnessing pathologist's role. 238 00:15:56.879 --> 00:15:57.679 Essentially just to. 239 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:03.039 Be present in the room, maybe look over and findings. 240 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:05.879 It dependsn't howld I want to be and I'm going you. 241 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:06.919 Get boring the todays. 242 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:10.320 I want to talk to you about your role in 243 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:15.440 this case. Were you assigned to be the witnessing pathologist 244 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:21.039 in me case two zero two three zero one three 245 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:23.159 one six with the patient. 246 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:24.720 By the name of Michael Dale. 247 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:30.200 Yes, it was the date of examination April twenty second 248 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:31.240 of twenty twenty three. 249 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:33.039 Yes, who was. 250 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:37.519 The pathologist actually conducting the autopsy that day? 251 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:43.120 It was doctor Could you spell that for the record please, B. 252 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:47.799 E T H A N N c H A B 253 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:49.320 E R. 254 00:16:50.399 --> 00:16:53.240 Now, as a witnessing pathologist for the case, can you 255 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:57.320 sort of walk us through how the autopsy occurred with 256 00:16:57.879 --> 00:16:58.840 doctor Shaper here. 257 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:02.159 Yes, reagine she did exactly what we always do, to 258 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:04.799 which you're greatabiliy there. 259 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:06.720 So she documents all. 260 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:13.400 Of the medical divisions, she removes that many three things 261 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:17.720 like the catholics. Then she documents things like identifying body 262 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:21.000 arts or injuries, and. 263 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:28.200 Okay, as a witnessing pathologist. You mentioned before that. 264 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:33.880 You routinely obtain

information from the police department. 265 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:35.960 Was that done in this case as well? 266 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:39.039 I guess the detective is that the autopsy and. 267 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:41.240 Doctor jass them. 268 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:45.200 And as a part of that discussion, were you shown 269 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:48.119 as a series of videos from the. 270 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:51.039 Defendant or the suspect's cell phone as well. 271 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:54.160 Prior to doctor Sheaber finalizing the case. 272 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:55.000 Ideaity and videos? 273 00:17:55.200 --> 00:18:06.119 Yes, can you explain to us what a neuropathology consultation is? 274 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:12.279 Sure, so when the brain is rude at autopsy, it's fresh, 275 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:15.960 so it's kind of soft and hard to evaluate. The 276 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:19.440 nerpathology console was when the brain and formalan would it 277 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:23.160 fix for about two weeks or more and then someone 278 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:26.839 who has a fellowship is whats retied in nerve pathology 279 00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:29.680 and examines it for a more detail way? 280 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:30.799 Okay? 281 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:36.119 And can you explain for us what sorts of cases 282 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:39.680 are you looking to get that extra consultation. 283 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:39.680 For the brain. 284 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:45.960 That really depends on the pathologist. I'm doing for a 285 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:49.799 seizure case, for sure, or sometimes in a homicide it's 286 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:52.559 just nice to have another set of ice to confirm that. 287 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:56.720 There's something And would that consultation. 288 00:18:57.799 --> 00:19:01.440 Would it essentially reveal more information about the state of 289 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:01.880 the brain. 290 00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:07.599 How about in cases involving asphyxiation. 291 00:19:09.720 --> 00:19:12.599 It depends on again pathologists with their freshingness. 292 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:19.640 Was a neuropathology consultation sought and obtained. 293 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:20.319 In this case as well? 294 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:21.079 Yes? 295 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:22.240 All right? 296 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:29.200 So was doctor Shaber ultimately able to make some findings 297 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:31.880 based on her examination. 298 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:34.319 And autopsy process? Yes? Ultimately. 299 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:38.559 Did you agree with doctor Shafer's findings based on your 300 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:45.839 review of the case? Yes, let's talk about those findings, 301 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:47.839 starting with the cause of death. 302 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:49.440 What was the cause of death here? 303 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:50.000 Sure? 304 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:54.480 The cause of death was complications of anxi scheming is 305 00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:59.920 amblalthy due to resuscated un of pulmonary arrest due to asphixia. 306 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:03.480 Do the new plastic bag secure and overnose and a mouth? 307 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:08.720 Can you break that down for us just to complain English. 308 00:20:09.680 --> 00:20:12.279 Essentially, there was a lack of oxygen to the brain 309 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:15.119 because of the plastic wrapping round the head, needing to 310 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:19.359 fail a dream. 311 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:26.519 How about the manner of death? Doctor? 312 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:33.160 We talked about earlier about pre existing medical conditions and 313 00:20:33.279 --> 00:20:39.559 health complications. In the report it notes some pre existing 314 00:20:39.640 --> 00:20:44.680 health complications. How was it that you're able to rule 315 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:47.519 those out as a potential cause of death. 316 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:51.759 So as part of what the whole autopsy is intended 317 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:56.160 to do, we see something like a HYE cardial infarct 318 00:20:56.240 --> 00:21:02.079 suggest a heart attack. That might change the interpreter, but ultimately, 319 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:05.359 especially in the case of aspisia, it's akin to a 320 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:08.079 gunshot world where it's an isolated event. The person might 321 00:21:08.119 --> 00:21:11.359 have a bunch of quantic disease as well, but that 322 00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:12.000 that event is. 323 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:15.480 What really consident. Last couple of questions for you. 324 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:23.160 There are also some toxicology findings, specifically blood alcohol content 325 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:29.960 point three zero eight and some trazodone on board as well. Again, 326 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:32.880 how are you able to rule those out as a 327 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:34.720 potential causal factor? 328 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:38.599 Yeah, exactly the same as with the natural disease, where 329 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:43.359 we have this isolated occurrence, this event where the disease 330 00:21:43.640 --> 00:21:46.640 was responsive and when unresponsive during this event. 331 00:21:46.880 --> 00:21:48.000 So regardless of when. 332 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:50.960 The toxicology shows, this was the excitings and led to 333 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:51.319 the death. 334 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:55.480 Thank you, doctor IV know further questions all right? Across denation. 335 00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:58.319 All right, So, according to the medical disamin a cause 336 00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:01.640 of that asphyxia because of that plastic bag over the head, 337 00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:03.759 there were some other possibilities, but she got to rule 338 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:06.319 them out. We'll have more from the medical examiner in fact, 339 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:06.920 without

her quest. 340 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:14.440 Yeah that was a lie. Wow. But you know they 341 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:19.839 get into they get real in depth with with this case. 342 00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:23.160 You know, they're gonna have the experts come in, they're 343 00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:28.000 going to testify. You know, she had someone in there 344 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:30.759 looking over her. She was the one that was looking 345 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:36.119 over the the initial person that was doing an autopsy. 346 00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:36.759 M hm. 347 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:41.400 I just don't understand why, sister take that bag off 348 00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:42.359 of his head. 349 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:47.400 Were you aware that the plastic bag and numerous perforations. 350 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:51.720 Yeah, now you indicated. 351 00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:58.680 That well at the time, doctor Shafer, she said that 352 00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:03.519 the that the probable cause of death's asphyxiation, that you 353 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:08.599 wanted to do a toxicology scream correct, Yes. 354 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:10.039 And the toxicology spreading was done correct. 355 00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:13.920 Yes, So if they did a toxicology, what is that 356 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:17.640 they would see maybe if he was on any substances 357 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:22.519 or if he was you know, had took any viagra 358 00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:27.000 or something like that, but they would find that in 359 00:23:27.039 --> 00:23:28.559 his blow work anyway. 360 00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:32.880 And alcohol at a certain level blood alcohol level, can 361 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:38.839 he failed correct? Yes, they can't cause respiratory failure correct, Yes, Now, 362 00:23:39.640 --> 00:23:44.359 the toxicology was all came back at the time that 363 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:47.160 he was tested, he had a point that mister Dale 364 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:49.319 on a point three to three blood alcohol. 365 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:52.960 Level correct, Yes, in the hospital, right, Yes. 366 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:58.079 So you're familiar as a doctor with generally how alcohol 367 00:23:58.240 --> 00:23:58.880 was in the system. 368 00:23:59.279 --> 00:23:59.599 Correct. 369 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:04.599 When you start ingesting it, it goes in your alcohol 370 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:07.880 level spikes, and then at some point you start eliminating. 371 00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:08.440 Correct. 372 00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:13.200 So is it fair to say that if mister Dale 373 00:24:13.240 --> 00:24:18.039 had not consumed any alcohol from the time that he 374 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:23.039 went in that he became unresponsive to the time they 375 00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:23.519 moved to the. 376 00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:27.759 Hospital, that this alcohol level may have been higher at 377 00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:28.480 the time. 378 00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:31.359 That the

incident handled. 379 00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:36.079 That would make sense because you don't know what his okay. 380 00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:38.799 So if he was drinking, you don't know how much 381 00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:42.559 he had, and if he was like freaking out his stuff, 382 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:45.039 that's going to raise up his blood pressure, that's going 383 00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:46.279 to speed up his heart rate. 384 00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:53.680 Sure, it might have been higher than the point three 385 00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:57.839 and typically for most people, point four to ZHO is 386 00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:01.200 considered to be a near fatal fatal level of alcohol. 387 00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:02.960 Correct, Yes, says it correct. 388 00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:08.920 Now, alcohols are depressive, correct, Yes, and that's what suppresses 389 00:25:09.319 --> 00:25:12.599 the fact that you're breathing correct. Is the depressor that 390 00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:19.319 yes he system correct? Yes he had was it point 391 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:28.480 one three nanograms of Now that's a therapeutic level, correct. 392 00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:32.440 Actually therapeutic, Yeah. 393 00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:34.640 But it's a depressant as well. Imagine to have a 394 00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:35.960 reaction with alcohol. 395 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:40.759 So listening y'ull, what her attorney is saying is this 396 00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:46.559 man was drinking and he was on medication. So this 397 00:25:46.839 --> 00:25:52.039 was his fetish, but he didn't take the proper precautions 398 00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:56.480 before he went into this fetish. In my opinion, he 399 00:25:56.519 --> 00:25:59.359 should have went and got him a health screening to 400 00:25:59.480 --> 00:26:02.440 check us breathing and all that. I mean, if he 401 00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:04.920 was gonna want to get wrapped up like a mummy, 402 00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:09.079 I would think that he would do his research before 403 00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:13.480 he got wrapped up. And last time I checked what 404 00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:18.079 the mummy wrapped up in like a goze like that 405 00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:21.319 Gods like if you like sprang your ankle or your 406 00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:24.359 arm or your wrists or something, and that cotton thing 407 00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:28.279 and you would just wrap it around. I've never heard 408 00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:29.960 of a mummy being wrapped up. 409 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:36.119 And plastic cancer alcohols are fast correct, yes, so the 410 00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:41.039 two together could cause a person's respiratory. 411 00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:44.960 To be respiratory to be surprised. 412 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:47.079 Correct. 413 00:26:49.279 --> 00:27:01.000 Now, he also had diabetes to yes and hepatitis, and 414 00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:07.279 all of those uh conditions combined those could contribute to 415 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:09.960 the fact that the asphyxiation comes out quicker. 416 00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:10.400 Correct. 417 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:14.960 In other words, you'd have less of a reserve of 418 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:16.559 oxygen than a normal person. 419 00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:17.319 Correct. 420 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:25.440 So somebody could actually, to an observer, become asphyxiated quicker 421 00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:44.920 than what they were expecting. Have you seen other bondage 422 00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:46.920 cases which resulted in depth. 423 00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:55.000 Nothing for any reader, nothing species. 424 00:27:57.079 --> 00:28:02.119 So she's never covered a case with bondage. But she's 425 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:08.160 up here testifying chowd hers Herney is really working for her. 426 00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:10.400 But see, this is my thing. That's why I said, 427 00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:13.839 why didn't he go for like a health screening or 428 00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:16.880 something before? He just went in there getting wrapped up 429 00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:18.839 like a mummy. And like I said, why didn't he 430 00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:22.799 use cotton instead of the plastic? 431 00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:29.200 Yes? Yes, I think if you're trying to start the way. 432 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:35.960 Still with us Former Deputy Public Defender Philip Debay, Philip, 433 00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:36.720 I have to ask. 434 00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:39.079 On your law, this should be nothing more than an 435 00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:43.960 involuntary manslaughter and what that means is that it's an 436 00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:49.640 unintentional killing caused by criminal negligence and a complete. 437 00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:54.640 Le Michael Dale during a paid encounter in April of 438 00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:55.559 twenty twenty three. 439 00:28:55.839 --> 00:29:00.319 According to court documents, Dale paid michaela oh wowy, so 440 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:02.039 we can go ahead and read this and then I'll 441 00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:04.599 skip it up, it says model charged with murder only 442 00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:05.880 fans fetish encounter. 443 00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:11.720 Michael Dale died of exphyxiation after allegedly asked to be 444 00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:17.000 wrapped in saram wrapped like a mummy. Dale asked to 445 00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:22.000 be bound by duct tape and women's boots glued to 446 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:26.799 his feet. Court documents say plastic wrappings were left in 447 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:31.839 place for eight minutes while Mikayla was recording something else. 448 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:37.240 So she went and veered off to something else, trying 449 00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:40.559 to get tape recordings, and this man is over here 450 00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:45.119 saying he was he shaken? Was he moving like a fish? 451 00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:46.559 You know? 452 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:50.400 Was he

flapping around like a fish? And she was 453 00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:54.680 too busy recording something else for her only fans. Girl, 454 00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.880 you should have been focused on that content, that content 455 00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:03.839 only one job at a time. You are dealing with plastic. Oh, 456 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:09.079 with this man's face, like anybody that's dealing with plastic, 457 00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:11.319 you're gonna know. Well, let me keep an eye on 458 00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:14.000 him because it is over his face and his nose 459 00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:14.759 and his eyes. 460 00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:18.839 He was taken to the hospital, where he later died 461 00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:22.799 of assixiation. According to the medical examiner. Mikayla is in 462 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:25.119 court now for a preliminary hearing. That means there's no 463 00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:27.680 jury at all. The judges hearing this. We're bringing that 464 00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:30.720 preliminary hearing too, So let's go back inside. Right now, 465 00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:33.559 the victim, Michael Dale's roommate is testifying. 466 00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:40.039 Oh Jesus, I want to cheer your attention back to child. 467 00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:43.480 So listen, were about to get into his roommate. I 468 00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:46.359 wonder if his roommate knew that he had like this 469 00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:51.440 type of fetish and VNC. I was thinking that mister Michael, 470 00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:55.279 I was thinking that he was some merry guy, you know, 471 00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:57.839 that just wants to get out, have a little fun 472 00:30:58.039 --> 00:30:59.160 and come on back home. 473 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:01.359 But not Chiab. 474 00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:03.200 They said that you got a roommate. So let's listen 475 00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:03.839 to the roommate. 476 00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:08.039 April seventeenth of twenty twenty. 477 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.880 Three, regarding an incident where the police came to the 478 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:13.960 house you were living at at the time. 479 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:15.599 Do you remember what I'm referring to. 480 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:19.880 Yes, At that time, were you living at six eighty 481 00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:25.039 five Terrace Avenue, City of Escondido, County. 482 00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:29.319 Of San Diego. Yes, can you describe for us, sir? 483 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:35.960 Is this house apartment a condo, a single story, single 484 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:41.599 story five vision feeback? 485 00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:46.559 Are we in a residential area? Yeah? In neighborhood? 486 00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:49.440 Can you describe for us just briefly sort of a 487 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:50.839 layout of the house. 488 00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:52.240 You walk in the front door. 489 00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:54.200 Will you walk into the front door? 490 00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:58.599 To your body is the kitchen you go elm morphee, 491 00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:03.119 And there's the hallway to the one, two, three bedrooms, 492 00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:10.160 and then there's to your right, like I said, this kitchen, 493 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:16.480 living room, another room, and then the corridor chieving the garage. 494 00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:21.440 So back on April seventeenth of twenty twenty three, who 495 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:23.559 was all living at this home. 496 00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:33.240 At this time? We there's a roommate named Helen, a 497 00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:45.119 roommate named Cindy, and we had another roommate a male gosh, 498 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:48.519 you can't remember what his name was, and then Michael Dale. 499 00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:54.839 Okay, so Michael, another male view and then two females. 500 00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:55.599 Females. 501 00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:59.759 Did everyone have their own room or their share rooms? 502 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:04.279 Everybody had their own room, okay, we had one shared 503 00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:11.400 bathroom between the three other than the master bedroom. 504 00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:15.000 I want to talk to you now about Mike Dale. 505 00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:19.279 So this incident we're talking about April seventeenth and twenty 506 00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:23.079 twenty three, about how long had Michael Dale been living 507 00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:23.920 there up to. 508 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:28.279 He'd only been in there about five days, maybe about 509 00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:28.640 a week. 510 00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:32.000 Throughout the five days, maybe a week that he had 511 00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:32.400 been there. 512 00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:35.400 Had you had many interactions with mister Dale. 513 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:38.400 No, I only talked to him about twice. When I 514 00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:42.720 saw him in the kitchen, it was haven't you doing 515 00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:43.359 the type of thing? 516 00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.359 I asked him if he needs do anything because he had. 517 00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:47.920 Just moved in. 518 00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:52.079 But in the five days, not only basically saw them twice. 519 00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:56.519 So mister Dale's bedroom, right, So you walk in the 520 00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:59.640 front door, how do you get to his bedroom? 521 00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.880 Walk through the front door, you get a double feed. 522 00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:06.880 To the hallway and okay, so y'all, let me ask 523 00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.760 y'all this before we get up into it. Because they're 524 00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:13.800 all roommates. I'm thinking that this man had his own home, 525 00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:16.719 you know, he was doing his own thing. He has roommates. 526 00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:22.320 You have a roommate that went off and did some fetish. 527

00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:26.079 The police come and knocking at the door asking you 528 00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:29.119 about it. Unlive man, and then they let you know 529 00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:32.719 that this man was wrapped up and tangled up in 530 00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:38.719 some saram wraps for his fetish. Let's get into. 531 00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:42.400 It is all around the end of the hallway. 532 00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:44.280 And where is that. 533 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:48.000 In relation to where your bedroom was at. 534 00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:51.000 It's completely on the other side of the house. My 535 00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:57.519 bedrooms in the garage, so completely opposite sides of the house. 536 00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:00.719 So I want to talk to you now about that 537 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:05.280 day April seventeenth and twenty twenty three. Do you remember 538 00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:10.320 seeing mister Dale that day? That day, he, like I said, 539 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:11.440 I was in my garden. 540 00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:15.559 He opened his window or came on the slider door, 541 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:18.280 I can't remember, and said that he was gonna have 542 00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:21.280 to print over from a certain time to a certain time, 543 00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:24.400 and then that was it for the day. 544 00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:26.840 You said you were out in the garden. Yeah, do 545 00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:30.119 you remember about what time of day it was? Or 546 00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:32.280 it was probably pretty early? 547 00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:37.280 I probably said, Kim thirty or eleven, maybe I'm not 548 00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:38.360 too sure exactly. 549 00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:43.719 That's okay, So the day goes on. Did you see 550 00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:45.480 mister Dale again that. 551 00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:50.079 I didn't see mister Dale again until the whole incident happened. 552 00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:55.800 So you see him when you're out in the garden earlier. 553 00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:57.639 Do you remember. 554 00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:01.679 What happened between at the time where you're in your 555 00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:06.320 garden and the next time you saw him after the incident, 556 00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:07.639 like where you're at the house. 557 00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:11.079 I was at the house, but I suffered from from 558 00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:15.559 the paint and cancer survivor, so a lot. 559 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:19.199 Of times if I do anything, I'll be down for hours. 560 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:23.480 So after I saw him. 561 00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:27.320 Oh my god. So just imagine you have a roommate. 562 00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:31.159 He's a Kansas survivor. He in there trying to live 563 00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:35.280 his life, go do his gardening and thinking that he's 564 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:41.639 with I'm not gonna say not sane, but he's living 565 00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:48.599 with someone that has a fetish. This outside the norm. 566 00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:58.920 This man seemed like he is shocked, he is blown away. 567 00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.440 Let's get into which this is a lot. 568 00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:05.800 I didn't see Hi again, like I said, until the concident. 569 00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:11.039 I pretty much was in my room up until that point. 570 00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:14.800 I did make dinner around three three thirty in the afternoon, 571 00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:20.159 but I didn't see anybody at that time. I rarely 572 00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:22.519 see that other roommates unless you know, they need something 573 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:25.679 for me, or they're doing longer, or or they're in. 574 00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:26.880 The kitchen for me or something. 575 00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:31.440 But okay, can you describe for us. 576 00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:35.840 How it was that you became aware of the incident. 577 00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:42.079 I came in to get dessert and I heard some commotion. 578 00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:47.079 I put my dessert back, and then I was proceeding 579 00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:50.679 back to my room to call my sister because I 580 00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:53.920 was like, what's going on. I got a text from 581 00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:57.840 one of the roommates saying, all this, lilas. 582 00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:03.559 Here's an overruled offco Next question, So you mentioned the commotion. 583 00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:08.159 Could you tell from where the commotion was coming from. 584 00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:08.679 Yeah? 585 00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:10.880 I could tell it was coming from Michael's room because 586 00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:13.840 there was only three of us whom at the time. 587 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:21.519 Helen, you know what now, So this man was in 588 00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:25.480 there getting busy while his roommates were there, getting his 589 00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:30.239 fetish off, getting it wrap me up Gloody's boot song. 590 00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:34.800 And this is while his roommates were there. I don't 591 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:38.599 she's very bold because I would have been paranoid. I 592 00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:41.480 would have been I don't know. For me, I would 593 00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:46.000 have been like, uh huh, it's people here, uh huh. 594 00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:50.000 And then you white, no, ma'am. Then they thinking man 595 00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:54.320 and then look at it. Now he's gone. And it 596 00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:59.000 was a black woman in the room. 597 00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:03.280 Michael and all the other roommates were either at work 598 00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:04.079 or gone. 599 00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:08.400 You also mentioned you texted your your sister. How does 600 00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:12.639 your sister fit into this house? My sister owns the house. 601 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:17.239 She's basically the

landlord. Okay, and you texted your sister. 602 00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:22.400 I called apologies, You called your sister. What was sort 603 00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:24.239 of the purpose of the phone call to your sister? 604 00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:28.280 I was called because. 605 00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:35.519 Michael had brought home of female and stuff. What's going 606 00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:40.559 on that we don't really allow kind of in the house. 607 00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:45.320 We don't have overnight guests. We try to be respectful. 608 00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:50.480 So this is what I mean when I say the humiliation. 609 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:55.119 Michael wanted to be humiliated. He wanted to be embarrassed. 610 00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:59.280 He is a I don't know what it is, but 611 00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:03.840 it's this little trigger where people they want to get caught, 612 00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:09.519 they want to be seen. But it's like the excitement 613 00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:14.239 of somebody finding out or somebody catching them in the act. 614 00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:19.039 That will turn them on. It'll like get their wheels turning. 615 00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:23.559 It's a fetish. It's in the moment. It's a turn on. 616 00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:29.760 You gotta think about it. This is getting this man hot. 617 00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:34.840 You know, Hey, I got roommates here. They're another room, 618 00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:39.039 you know, in that moment, he was thinking about his fetish. 619 00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:43.480 He wasn't thinking about the rules, and he wasn't thinking 620 00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:47.480 about how uncomfortable everybody else was. Now, if you're just 621 00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:51.159 now joining in with us, we are covering the fatal 622 00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:57.079 fetish murder trial California versus michaela the victim Michael Dale report. 623 00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:00.639 The police found text messages where he asked to be 624 00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:05.320 wrapped like a mummy. This is direct examination. We have 625 00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:11.239 Andrew Smith, Michae o'delle's roommate. Smith said, I came inside 626 00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:15.400 the house and I heard some commotion. I was concerned. 627 00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:22.000 I'm wondering why Andrew didn't call now one one Andrew, 628 00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:25.639 you should have doubt nine one one, and then you 629 00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:27.079 should have called your sister. 630 00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:35.960 But it sounded like, you know, stuff's going on that 631 00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:37.320 shouldn't be going on. 632 00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:42.719 It to eat his own but like, yeah, that could 633 00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:44.880 you be more specific what was going on? 634 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:46.199 What wasn't allowed in the house. 635 00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:49.119 Well, they are nice, but. 636 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:52.039 He brought home. 637 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:57.480 I don't know how you want me to say, just 638 00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:04.719 use your work across the fut under or whatever and 639 00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.440 kind of go get hotel for that. You know, you 640 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.199 move in five days and this is what's going on. 641 00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:13.679 I've gotten a text from the other roommate. 642 00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:17.599 She said it was all the noise was going on 643 00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:20.719 and she was scared. 644 00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:27.519 So other than you, mister Dale and his guest, who 645 00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:29.320 else was home at this. 646 00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:29.760 Point in time? 647 00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:33.800 Helen the other roommate, Your other roommate, Yeah, this is 648 00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:35.360 the one you were texting with. 649 00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:36.119 Oh. 650 00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:39.760 Yes, she had sent me the text telling me that. 651 00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:44.280 Listen, she must have been in there beating his ass, 652 00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:47.599 you know, because some of them they want like a spanking, 653 00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:50.719 They might want to get hit, they might want to 654 00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:54.400 get punched. So I'm thinking, was she in there tearing 655 00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:59.599 his ass up? Because sometimes, like okay, when you're wrapping 656 00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:02.840 them or you're doing the act, they'll want to be 657 00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:10.119 verbally abused. You may not understand, but in these acts 658 00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:13.480 sometimes they want to be verbally abused. They want you 659 00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:17.039 to use certain type of words, They want you to 660 00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:23.199 use all your man power. They really want to feel. 661 00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:30.599 It's like a hurt. It may not make sense, but 662 00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:32.039 let's go ahead and take a listen. 663 00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:37.760 You're say's just dad, So. 664 00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:44.239 You're sensing this commotion coming from mister Dale's room. 665 00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.599 You mentioned you put your dessert away. What do you 666 00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:48.400 remember next? 667 00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:55.039 I remember next was Helen coming out to the garage. 668 00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:56.039 Say that. 669 00:43:57.920 --> 00:43:59.960 Jack hing, here's an overall. 670 00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:03.039 Back on lest there you can continue coming out and 671 00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:08.880 saying that the girl needed help. So I came into 672 00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:14.480 the house and walked towards Michael Dale's room with Helen 673 00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:16.000 and the girl. 674 00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:19.159 And that's what I called. 675 00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:22.039 Mister Dale, and I said, you know, you guys, we 676 00:44:22.239 -->

00:44:26.320 called nine one one, so one of the girls, I'm 677 00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:32.159 not too sure who found one. We got the nine 678 00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:34.760 one one operator on the phone. 679 00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:39.559 And Andrew, you should have called the police. Andrew, I 680 00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:42.079 feel like had you called the police and got them 681 00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:45.360 all out there, help would have been on the way. 682 00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:48.480 But what you did was you went into room and 683 00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:53.079 you called your sister because she was a landlord. At 684 00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:55.320 the end of the day, when it's an emergency situation 685 00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:57.960 going on like that, I don't need if I had 686 00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:01.280 a property, I don't need you to call me down 687 00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:05.519 now one one. You hear noises, Oh it's getting violent. 688 00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:09.199 No down now one one. I should be the last 689 00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:11.760 person that you call down now one one. When the 690 00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:13.880 police and stuff get there, call me. 691 00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:19.519 We said, you know, he wasn't breathing, So he was like, 692 00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:20.800 you guys start CPR. 693 00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:22.199 The girls looked at me. 694 00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:25.199 To do it, but in life, physic ball, I would 695 00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:33.960 have been we would have. So the girl started CPR. 696 00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:38.719 When I saw the situation, you know, the CPR was started, 697 00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:41.559 I wanted to the front door and open it up 698 00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:45.199 for the ambulance or police officers that we're gonna be comming. 699 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:48.960 Okay, you're mentioning that the girl are you talking about 700 00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:51.039 Helen or the female guest? 701 00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:55.119 Oh, female guest, that same female guest that you're describing. 702 00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:56.920 Do you also see here in the courtroom? 703 00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:00.679 Yes, for the record, can you please describe where she 704 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:03.880 seated and what color shirt she's wearing. 705 00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:09.840 It was red or pink, and it was I'm sorry today. 706 00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:13.159 Where is she today? O'm sorry, she's sitting over there. 707 00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:17.440 She has a voice, flesh on the witnesses identified, thank you. 708 00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:23.440 So to back up a little bit, the commotion you 709 00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:27.159 hear are you talking about noises? 710 00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:28.400 Voices? 711 00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:29.239 Music? 712 00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:35.079 Noises and voices? Could you tell whose voice? 713 00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:38.719 Okay, so this is my thing. If you're hearing noises 714 00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:42.760 and voices and things like that, it's rowdy in there. 715 00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:49.119 Why wouldn't you call the police. Hey, we got a 716 00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:54.159 noise complaint because whatever's going on in there. Seems like 717 00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:57.079 y'all don't want any parts of it. And I don't 718 00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:02.440 blame you, But if mymate and something is going on 719 00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:05.000 and it's loud and it's banging and this, this, and 720 00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:09.719 it's that we're calling the cops they in there, I'm 721 00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:15.480 I'm gonna automatically think these two individuals have been they're intoxicated, 722 00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:18.400 and they didn't got into a fight. I'm not about 723 00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:21.280 to get up in it. So let's go ahead down 724 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:26.920 nine one one. I'm gonna stand by and wait until 725 00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:30.440 they get there, open up the door, and boom. I 726 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:33.039 just kind of feel like this could have been prevented. 727 00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:36.280 You all, it was Michael Dale. 728 00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:40.960 Well, let me say what I heard. Well, up, let 729 00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:43.920 me ask you another question. You hear Michael Dale's voice, 730 00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:45.880 could you describe for us? 731 00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:49.679 Are you able to tell if he's calmed, if he's panicked, 732 00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:51.039 if he's something else. 733 00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:55.480 I couldn't really tell, you know, because, like I said, 734 00:47:55.480 --> 00:48:01.679 the door is closed, and I'm probably three firty feet 735 00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:11.039 from his room. I could just hear him say, can 736 00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:15.800 we we stopped? I'll pay you a certain amount more 737 00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:20.559 money to stop. And that's when I realized that it 738 00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:21.320 wasn't a friend. 739 00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:21.880 It was. 740 00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:26.239 Prostitute or okay. 741 00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:31.840 So wait a minute, y'all, let's go back. Hold on, 742 00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:36.119 what do you say? I want to hear this because 743 00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:39.719 he said, if you stop, I'll pay you more money. 744 00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:42.840 And that's when he knew that it was a prostitute. 745 00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:46.679 Let's take this back. I'm gonna let it flow through. 746 00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:50.679 Well, let me say what I heard. What's up? Let 747 00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:53.639 me ask you another question. You hear Michael Dale's voice, 748 00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:55.519 could you describe for us? 749 00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:59.440 Are you able to tell if he's calm, if he's panicked, 750 00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:00.760 if he's something else. 751 00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:05.199 I couldn't really tell, you know, because,

like I said, 752 00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:10.599 the door is closed, and I'm probably thirty feet twenty 753 00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:17.679 five thirty feet from his room. I could just hear 754 00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:24.599 him say, can we we stop? I'll pay you a 755 00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:27.639 certain amount of more money to stop. And that's when 756 00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:30.920 I realized that it wasn't. 757 00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:31.639 A friend, it was. 758 00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:37.320 Prostitute or okay, whatever you want to say. 759 00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:42.920 So you hear mister Dale's say this comment, are you 760 00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:45.039 in the kitchen at that point? 761 00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:47.440 Basically in the kitchen? 762 00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:51.360 And so after that is that when you go back 763 00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:52.000 to the garage. 764 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:54.000 That's when I went back to the garage and called 765 00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:58.280 my sister and was trying to decide what we should do, 766 00:49:58.400 --> 00:49:59.599 call employees or. 767 00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:06.559 Because, like I said. 768 00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:07.920 In that moment right there, you should have called the police. 769 00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:14.880 In that moment right there, you should have called the police. 770 00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:18.679 That man sounds like he's in there fighting for his life, 771 00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:21.559 saying if you stop, then I'll give you more money. 772 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:28.800 But y'all were hearing the kerfuffle and the noises way 773 00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:34.400 way before you decided that you were going to take 774 00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:38.199 some action. When it was when it was loud, or 775 00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:40.800 when it whenever it disturbed me. I would have been 776 00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:44.360 over there banking on that door. What y'all got going 777 00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:50.079 on near y'all too damn loud? 778 00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:57.599 It was carry noises? Fight? Is Helen? Where is Helen 779 00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:01.360 in the house when this is going on? She was 780 00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:02.039 in her room? 781 00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:02.679 I do you believe? 782 00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:05.760 Like I said, I wasn't in the house, so. 783 00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:09.800 I'm not too sure, but I'm sure she was probably 784 00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:12.079 in her room because that would be her. 785 00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:12.800 Shame this place. 786 00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:18.119 So you were telling us before about how you leave 787 00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:21.920 the garage and you walk toward mister Dale's room. 788 00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:25.880 Is that right? Did you actually go in and see 789 00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:27.360 what was going on in the room because I. 790 00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:31.400 Went into Michael Dale's room and he was laying on 791 00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:32.320 the floor. 792 00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:37.880 Not breathing. And that's when I was like getting called 793 00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:41.400 one one and like I said, I can't remember. 794 00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:43.760 We need to squeeze in a break here. Up next 795 00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:44.639 to the roommate. 796 00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:49.280 Testifies about what he saw the defendant doing when the 797 00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:50.760 alleged victim. 798 00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:53.960 Was all right, y'all, so listen, let's get into it. 799 00:51:54.719 --> 00:52:01.320 This man is said they were hearing noises and he 800 00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:04.679 decided that he was gonna go and call his sister 801 00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:09.639 instead of calling the cops. He decided to call his sister. 802 00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:16.559 Mister Michael was in there yelling out, hey stop, I'll 803 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:21.920 pay you more money if you stop. But do y'all 804 00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:25.519 think that she was on adrenaline rush? She was like, 805 00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:30.079 oh no, you told me this, you know, like she 806 00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:32.599 just got on that rush. Oh no, I'm in control. 807 00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:33.480 You shut up. 808 00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:36.639 I don't know what y'all think. 809 00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:45.159 Helen or mckaylen. 810 00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:48.440 I'm sorry, McKayla. 811 00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:51.519 I don't know which one you called nine one one, 812 00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:57.280 But once we got them on and they were, you know, 813 00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:01.079 given directions for CPR, Lokelen started to see the r. 814 00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:04.920 You mentioned, mister Dale, was on the ground. Can you 815 00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.599 tell us is he laying on his back, on his side? 816 00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:08.840 He was on his back. 817 00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:14.480 What do you remember about his clothing? 818 00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:18.840 He had no shirt on. He loved to be like 819 00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:20.079 a pair of sweats. 820 00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:24.280 And then from his feet to about his waist was 821 00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:24.840 wrapped in. 822 00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:25.960 Sweam, wrapped. 823 00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:29.679 Like clear plastic wrap. 824 00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:32.400 Yeah. And then. 825 00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:42.480 His hands were said and they were tied up. I 826 00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:44.719 can't remember if it was rope or tape. 827 00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:50.519 And to be clear, the witness put his hands above 828 00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:54.239 his head with one hand over the other, as if 829 00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:57.639 hands and arms were being sustended over the body of gatine. 830 00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:01.199 And then he was betting there And that was. 831 00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:05.880 When you saw mister Dale in this state? Could you 832 00:54:05.920 -->

00:54:08.519 tell something was wrong? Yes? 833 00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:13.039 I kind of looked at his eyes and kind of 834 00:54:13.079 --> 00:54:14.880 noticed that he wasn't breathing that I. 835 00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:21.480 Was like, all right, so uh nine one once called 836 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.599 did you stick around and wait for police arrival? 837 00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:30.239 I went out into the kitchen, opened up the front door, 838 00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:34.000 kind of hang out for a second. 839 00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:38.079 Well before that, I took the animals, had a cat 840 00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:38.840 in the house that. 841 00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:42.079 Was outside, put them all together, and then opened up 842 00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:45.800 the door and waited for the first. 843 00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:48.760 Final of I know you fucking line. 844 00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:51.119 I know you. 845 00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:52.199 Now. 846 00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:56.280 He went to go get the animals first. Your friend 847 00:54:56.559 --> 00:55:02.559 is laying there. You didn't want to give him CPR. 848 00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:13.719 I know you, lion Wow. So you were so upset 849 00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:18.320 that he had brought this young lady Hall which he 850 00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:22.880 refers to her as a prostitute. They just recently had 851 00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:28.840 him address her as the friend or a Michayla. Let's 852 00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:29.519 get into it. 853 00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:34.199 Was a police officer got there first. 854 00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:37.400 Sorry guys, if you are just now tuning in with us, 855 00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:42.000 we are covering the case fatal fetish murder case California 856 00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:46.119 versus MICHAELA. The victim is Michael Dale. The cause of 857 00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:52.000 his death was listed as expeciation. The affidavit says he 858 00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:56.599 died while the bag on his head secured with duct tape. 859 00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:02.800 Direct examination, we have Andrew Smith, Michael Dale's roommate. Smith 860 00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:06.679 says Dale was wrapped and plastic wrap from feet to waste, 861 00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:11.400 with his hands above him. Let's get into it. Make 862 00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:14.679 sure you like shere, subscribe, tell somebody that we're live. 863 00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:20.039 And then I walked him back to the bedroom. 864 00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:24.840 I don't know if he started to do take over 865 00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:26.480 the CPR or not. 866 00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:30.320 I'm not too sure, because I kind of stayed in 867 00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:32.239 the living room at that point. 868 00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:35.239 You mentioned taking a step back. 869 00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:40.320 You mentioned his hands sort of above his head tied together. 870 00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:43.440 How about his face or his head? Was there anything 871 00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:45.440 covering his face or head when you saw him? 872 00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:47.400 No, not that I recall. 873 00:56:48.679 --> 00:56:51.719 I kind of like went in quick, you know, kind 874 00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:56.199 of saw him laying there, looked and saw that he 875 00:56:56.320 --> 00:56:58.920 wasn't breathing, and his eyes kind of looked weird. And 876 00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:02.039 that's when I was just like, that's called ninety one one. 877 00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:10.480 I may have just one moment. Thank you, sir. I 878 00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:13.280 have no further questions about the familyation. 879 00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:17.480 Thank you. Good morning, Good morning. 880 00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:21.559 So your sister always that house, Yeah, and your bedroom 881 00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:25.440 is on the other side of that Yes, so while 882 00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:27.239 you were in your bedroom you couldn't really hear what 883 00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:27.719 was going on. 884 00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:32.000 You didn't know mister dall Dale about well correct, not 885 00:57:32.119 --> 00:57:32.400 at all. 886 00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:36.119 Ye had a kind of a loud boys kind of 887 00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:40.039 he was kind of bulls three. 888 00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:42.480 Yeah. 889 00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:46.400 I mean I don't know really how any can explain that, 890 00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:52.079 but like he you know, really kind of deepish, you know, 891 00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:57.000 kind of loudish voice, but not like super loud, but 892 00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:00.199 you know, more so versus. 893 00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:02.639 Now are you talking. 894 00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:07.440 No, that's so point. 895 00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:08.079 You go into the. 896 00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:13.480 Kitchen here with us now to discuss criminal defense Toorney Silva, 897 00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:16.320 Megridicci and Silva, thank you for joining both of us. 898 00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:19.599 We always appreciate you coming on. This is one of 899 00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:22.039 those cases that the details and the facts are just 900 00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:24.400 so sortid that you think when it gets to a jury, 901 00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:26.800 because I think it's going to get past the preliminary 902 00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:30.239 hearing phase, and if this case goes before a jury, 903 00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:32.920 some are going to be very uncomfortable no matter what 904 00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:36.000 they say during v day or listening to the details 905 00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:39.559 of the alleged consensual act that the two were engaging in. 906 00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:43.159 Absolutely first of Joshlyn and Michael. 907 00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:44.360 You know I adore you both. 908 00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:48.760 You are the dream country. 909 00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:52.079 Of course, we're going to hear very differing opinions

about 910 00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:55.039 that once we hear those closing arguments tomorrow, And what 911 00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:57.840 I'll be paying attention to is how the defense wraps 912 00:58:57.880 --> 00:58:58.480 this up. 913 00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:02.960 And how oh no naytuarick MASTERMM murder trout of every 914 00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:08.559 twenty twenty third, Donna Adamson arrested at Miami Airport as 915 00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:12.719 she and her husband were boarding overseas flights. Oh, we 916 00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:14.519 might have to get into that one too. 917 00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:18.000 How much they're going to lean into playing or pointing 918 00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:20.880 the finger rather at the children of Donna Aedelson as 919 00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:22.400 the ones who were the true villains here. 920 00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:23.440 Michael Ashley. 921 00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:26.800 Yeah, unfortunate position for a mom to be in. Julie Jennet, 922 00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:29.000 thank you so much for that report. I want to 923 00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:31.079 get you back to California now with more testimony and 924 00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:34.960 the preliminary hearing for accused murderer and OnlyFans model MICHAELA. 925 00:59:35.079 --> 00:59:35.719 Ryler's there. 926 00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:38.159 She's accused of killing one of her clients during a 927 00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:41.639 paid encounter. The roommate of the alleged victim is on 928 00:59:41.719 --> 00:59:44.719 the standstill under cross examination by the defense. 929 00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:50.239 And you're making yourself fluid, gret I was going to 930 00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:53.599 get some ice cream, getting some ice. 931 00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:55.400 Cream, and that's when you've heard something. 932 00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:58.840 They kind of alerted you and kind of your radar off. 933 00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:00.360 Yeah, that's off. 934 01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:02.400 The ice cream back, and that's what I want. 935 01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:05.960 To Now we've heard something about stopping you heard something 936 01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:06.639 about money. 937 01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:07.639 Fair statement. 938 01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:09.800 Yes, it's a fair to say that you really didn't 939 01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:13.960 hear exactly what what exactly, but just kind of caught 940 01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:14.480 your attention. 941 01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:17.360 It caught my attention that money was involved, and that's 942 01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:21.920 what idea that it wasn't like friend, Okay, So it 943 01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:25.280 was the money that really kind of caught your attention. Yeah, 944 01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:25.880 it wasn't. 945 01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:29.800 Well, well that and well it was we'll stop, can 946 01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:30.360 we stop? 947 01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:33.559 Or can we stop? I'll pay you X amount of money. 948 01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:36.559 That's that whole cite. It's caught my attention. 949 01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:39.639 Now he's in the door. He's in his room. Dale's 950 01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:43.639 in his room. Correct, Yeah, the door is closed, correct. Yes, 951 01:00:44.679 --> 01:00:45.880 they were playing music in there? 952 01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:46.280 Correct? 953 01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:50.280 Did you hear music in there? Not that I recall it. 954 01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:54.760 I mean I kind of heard some noise, ish noises 955 01:00:55.599 --> 01:01:00.559 and then Michael Dale's plice, So I don't you know because. 956 01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:06.880 The or music or whatnot, but I you know, and 957 01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:07.199 what you. 958 01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:09.800 Called your sister who were concerned about the fact that 959 01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:11.800 there might be all. 960 01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:13.480 Right, we're just gonna pause it right there. You just 961 01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:16.480 now tuning in. We are covering the fatal fetish murder 962 01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:23.360 case California versus Mikayla. Mikayla allegedly film fetish encounter for 963 01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:29.239 her only fans account called nine one one reporting Client Responsive. Now, 964 01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:32.440 this was a paid gig. Okay, let's get into it. 965 01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:35.519 This was consensual with two adults. 966 01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:38.119 So I had some prostitution going out there. 967 01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:42.199 Yes, at least at that point, you weren't concerned for 968 01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:46.719 mister Gail said, correct, Yeah, I was more concerned for 969 01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:48.400 the bringy Hellen. 970 01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:52.599 Because she was, like I said, Jassy. 971 01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:55.679 Was funny, and she had the door, and she had 972 01:01:55.679 --> 01:01:56.480 the room next door. 973 01:01:57.079 --> 01:01:58.239 Yes they have. 974 01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:03.079 Or or why not? 975 01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:07.559 But I you know, and what you called your sister. 976 01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:10.400 We're concerned about the fact that there might be some 977 01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:12.280 acts of prostitution going out there. 978 01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:16.400 Yes, at least at that point you were concerned for 979 01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:17.000 mister devil. 980 01:02:18.079 --> 01:02:24.639 So listen, he was more concerned about the prostitution rather 981 01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:28.199 than the man's life. If you look at this, like 982 01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:31.239 I said earlier, this dude went in there and called 983 01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:35.119 his sister. Why didn't you call the police? Why didn't 984 01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:39.920 you call the police? Your senses had already went off. Okay, 985 01:02:41.119 --> 01:02:43.599 that would have really alerted me to call the police, 986 01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:47.000 because

first of all, this is my roommate. I don't 987 01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:50.199 know his business. Whatever the case may be. She may 988 01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:52.000 have put something in this drink, or they might be 989 01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:54.320 in their fight, and let me call the police so 990 01:02:54.519 --> 01:02:58.800 they could come in and escort them on out. That 991 01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:02.320 was your way of getting both of them out of 992 01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:07.280 the house that night. He could have taken her home 993 01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:10.920 or got got her an uber or something. But you 994 01:03:11.039 --> 01:03:17.360 could have possibly saved that man's life. You were worried 995 01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:22.280 about prostitution and his acts, and it was a black 996 01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:26.000 woman up in there. Let's get into it. 997 01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:27.320 Correct. 998 01:03:28.519 --> 01:03:28.760 Yeah. 999 01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:33.480 I was more concerned for the Helen because. 1000 01:03:33.199 --> 01:03:36.920 She was, like I said, she to me, was fighting 1001 01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:39.639 and she had to out door. She had the room 1002 01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:40.079 next door. 1003 01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:41.800 Yes they have. 1004 01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:46.000 But what was he so concerned with Helen Ford? Helen 1005 01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:50.559 was tied up, Helen wanted no damn saran wrap. What 1006 01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:53.400 was he concerned for Helen? For Helen was walking around 1007 01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:56.719 in her room. Helen was not restrained with no plastic 1008 01:03:58.159 --> 01:03:58.440 all that. 1009 01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:16.719 Now, you didn't see Michaela arrived with mister Dale at 1010 01:04:16.760 --> 01:04:23.280 the Reds, No I did not. Did you tell Detective 1011 01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:27.320 Hand or Officer Hand on. 1012 01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:34.280 May eleven, two thousand and three if you saw them 1013 01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:35.000 running together? 1014 01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:37.320 No? I did not. 1015 01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:44.880 Now, Michaela she didn't try and leave, correct, she didn't 1016 01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:45.440 try and run. 1017 01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:48.000 In fact, she gave cprs. 1018 01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:50.760 Mister she started the CPR and like I said, I 1019 01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:53.239 don't know if the cop I think the cop took. 1020 01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:54.679 Over when he arrived. 1021 01:04:55.239 --> 01:05:00.760 I'm not t shirt and then Anne lands and a workoff. 1022 01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:07.480 You know what if this does go to trial, I 1023 01:05:07.639 --> 01:05:13.639 feel like this Andrew is not being honest. Andrew response 1024 01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:16.519 was probably like way different than what he's trying to portray. 1025 01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:23.280 Andrew was pissed off because that man was getting him 1026 01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:25.920 a piece of ass. And Andrew had to hear it. 1027 01:05:27.320 --> 01:05:34.199 She's attractive, She's not an ugly woman. Now listen. Michayla. 1028 01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:41.480 The report says officers found her performing CPR a man 1029 01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:46.639 who died. She had compassion, This was something that he wanted. 1030 01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:51.000 This was consensual. I don't think that Michaela went into 1031 01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:57.280 this agreement with this fetish thinking that her client was 1032 01:05:57.360 --> 01:06:02.239 gonna be gone to glue. Let's get into it. 1033 01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:11.320 They had Mikayla come outside and pretty much stand there outside. 1034 01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:16.440 They asked me, I bought her lay here. Let me 1035 01:06:16.519 --> 01:06:19.440 ask you, Michaela. At the time, she seemed to be 1036 01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:24.159 concerned about mister Dale. She was upset about what was happening. Yes, 1037 01:06:28.280 --> 01:06:31.480 and she ansert because she came out asking for help 1038 01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:32.679 for from Helen. 1039 01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:35.360 And then Helen asked me, and that's what I came here, 1040 01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:38.639 so she came out. She said he needs help hold 1041 01:06:38.679 --> 01:06:40.440 nine one one or something to that effect. 1042 01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:43.039 I'm not too sure. 1043 01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:44.599 I wasn't in that, you know, because this is what 1044 01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:47.599 she said to Helen. Helen came to me, we need help. 1045 01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:51.679 That's when I came in the house and we all 1046 01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:53.440 proceeded into the bedroom. 1047 01:06:57.079 --> 01:07:00.639 And MICHAELA. She waited around until the police got there 1048 01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:06.679 as well. Right, Yes, she she she'd never left, like 1049 01:07:06.760 --> 01:07:07.559 I said, the only time. 1050 01:07:07.639 --> 01:07:09.400 I think that she had come out of the bedroom 1051 01:07:09.400 --> 01:07:13.840 because I think the first police officer chop over CPRR. 1052 01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:18.440 From her, and then the other cop. 1053 01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:20.719 Had her. 1054 01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:22.920 I think I think you had her. 1055 01:07:22.920 --> 01:07:23.599 Go out front. 1056 01:07:24.159 --> 01:07:28.360 I think she was pretty much out front from after 1057 01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:31.039 the second police. 1058 01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:33.039 Officer I do believe got there than you. 1059 01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:35.000 Now. 1060 01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:37.599 When the officers arrived unscene, you talked. 1061 01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:40.239 With him briefly, real briefly. 1062 01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:42.480 They kind of like where, and I'm like, you know, 1063 01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:46.400 showed them where to go. Did you tell them a 1064 01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:49.599 little bit about what

happened? No, I didn't. 1065 01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:50.480 I didn't talk to. 1066 01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:56.119 Anybody about what happened until the detectives got there, I believe. 1067 01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:04.880 Thank you, Grove any readwret No, thank you sir, thank you. 1068 01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:10.360 Thanks. 1069 01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:14.639 We and us now on the stand. 1070 01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:22.479 Here at around ten of eleven pm, did you get 1071 01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:27.119 a call for service at six eighty five Terrace Avenue. 1072 01:08:28.359 --> 01:08:30.920 All right, guys, if you are just now tuning in, 1073 01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:36.640 we are covering the fatal fetish murder case California versus Mickayla. 1074 01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:41.560 Michayla charged with second degree murder man who paid her 1075 01:08:41.800 --> 01:08:47.119 for fetish sex died by expeciation in twenty twenty three. 1076 01:08:47.239 --> 01:08:50.319 This is the pre trial hearing. We're hearing from Officer 1077 01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:57.880 Daniel Edwards as well. We're just gone as Coloandildo Dido PD. 1078 01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:01.880 He's the only the only fans model charged with murders 1079 01:09:02.079 --> 01:09:05.079 and we're about to get his testimony. Let's take a 1080 01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:07.399 listen to the Invescandido County. 1081 01:09:07.159 --> 01:09:11.680 Of San Diego. Did you respond? Were you the first 1082 01:09:11.760 --> 01:09:12.119 one there? 1083 01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:12.760 I was? 1084 01:09:14.359 --> 01:09:15.319 At what time did you. 1085 01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:18.960 Arrive at the residence for those approximately five minutes after 1086 01:09:19.039 --> 01:09:25.920 the initial call service around ten to sixteen? So walk 1087 01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:28.039 us through what happened? Droll up unseen. 1088 01:09:29.159 --> 01:09:32.399 So listen he said he got there five minutes after. 1089 01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:39.159 I felt like when Andrew, which is the roommate, if 1090 01:09:39.359 --> 01:09:45.279 Andrew had called the police Andrew was very aware that 1091 01:09:45.439 --> 01:09:48.319 there was a prostitute in the house, because he keeps 1092 01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:53.760 pointing out he told the cops when when he first 1093 01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:58.159 initially spoke with him that she was a prostitute. I 1094 01:09:58.239 --> 01:10:02.479 mean he drove props to ants so much that he 1095 01:10:02.760 --> 01:10:09.279 registered it with everybody that she was a prostitute. Let's 1096 01:10:09.319 --> 01:10:11.560 go what happens next. 1097 01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:16.239 When I said before heard, there was two people standing 1098 01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:20.439 on side of the residents who were They were residents. 1099 01:10:20.119 --> 01:10:21.119 At that home. 1100 01:10:21.439 --> 01:10:22.000 They see it. 1101 01:10:22.159 --> 01:10:23.800 There was a naile inside of the residence in the 1102 01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:28.319 medical assistance. I walked inside their city along always the left. 1103 01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:32.319 The male's room was at the end of that hallway. 1104 01:10:33.199 --> 01:10:34.640 Walk inside, I see a male. 1105 01:10:35.159 --> 01:10:38.279 Laying on the snack here, you know, providing a CPR. 1106 01:10:39.039 --> 01:10:42.560 The female providing CPR. Do you see that same female 1107 01:10:42.600 --> 01:10:46.880 here in court today? The table to my right witness 1108 01:10:46.960 --> 01:10:48.079 is identified. 1109 01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:52.479 That you mentioned the male uh laying down? 1110 01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:53.079 Uh. 1111 01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:57.600 Can you describe for us what you remember about his appearance? 1112 01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:01.960 So you pure to be unconscious who was lying on 1113 01:11:02.079 --> 01:11:06.359 his back. He didn't have a sear on his starts 1114 01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:11.199 or above his head down like this and pure to 1115 01:11:11.319 --> 01:11:15.199 be like some sort of tape and wrote his his wrists. 1116 01:11:16.279 --> 01:11:20.039 He was wearing red hands and both of his legs 1117 01:11:20.119 --> 01:11:23.399 kind of got the black clear plastic rap. And he 1118 01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:24.880 was also warning some black boots. 1119 01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:27.279 And once again he said like this and he put 1120 01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:29.399 both hands over his head with his wrists together. 1121 01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:35.680 Next question, when you arrived on scene and went back 1122 01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:41.600 to the bedroom, was your body came rolling mission to 1123 01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:44.960 approach him. Yeah, And for the record, I'm approaching with 1124 01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:48.039 people's one companying transcript. 1125 01:11:48.199 --> 01:11:49.960 This is one of the videos we discussed. 1126 01:11:50.079 --> 01:11:53.199 Rather a. 1127 01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:00.279 H. 1128 01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:14.520 For the record, I've provided copies of transfers to both 1129 01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:15.479 the council recording. 1130 01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:17.960 So I'm gonna push play. I want you to watch 1131 01:12:18.039 --> 01:12:19.760 the video and let me not recognized. 1132 01:12:19.800 --> 01:13:16.479 O m H, not one one. 1133 01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:22.119 Can we take the one phone away? Okay? 1134 01:13:37.479 --> 01:13:53.600 Yeah, okay, all right, guys, So listen here. Fatal fetish 1135 01:13:53.720 --> 01:13:58.239 murder case, California versus Michayla. This was a preliminary hearing. 1136 01:13:58.520 --> 01:14:02.399 Michaela is charged is being charged with second degree murder. 1137 01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:06.039 The man who paid her for fetish sex died by 1138 01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:12.439 exphyxiation in twenty twenty three. The direct examination is with 1139 01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:18.359 Officer Daniel Edwards and he's with the police department. Edwards said, 1140 01:14:18.399 --> 01:14:22.760 his arms were bound above his head, taped around his wrist, 1141 01:14:23.039 --> 01:14:27.319 and legs bound by clear wrap. Listen, we're gonna follow 1142 01:14:27.359 --> 01:14:33.880 this case. I in my opinion, the man wanted to 1143 01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:38.079 be wrapped up like a mummy, and so she provided 1144 01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:41.640 that service and it went a little so far. You guys, 1145 01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:44.039 please make sure you like shares subscribed to the channel. 1146 01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:47.279 Let somebody know that we are on true crime and 1147 01:14:47.640 --> 01:14:50.600 we'll see you soon. Have a great rison on purpose, 1148 01:15:09.560 --> 01:16:58.279 statute 1149 01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:03.199 Actility,