Full Transcript for Ochelli Effect 11-14-2026 Stu Wexler Civil Rights Cold Case CALL TO ACTION

hearing uh 70 00:04:16.850 --> 00:04:19.009 you know excuse me sir didn't you write this book 71 00:04:19.029 --> 00:04:21.009 no i think you got me mixed up with roger 72 00:04:21.050 --> 00:04:24.540 stone uh you know and and you actually ended up 73 00:04:24.769 --> 00:04:28.160 testifying about something else larry hancock has been involved with 74 00:04:28.180 --> 00:04:31.360 that committee oh wait a minute i guess in the 75 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:38.199 background on all of that because uap rfk mlk jfk 76 00:04:38.300 --> 00:04:42.759 it's funny Larry's either advising somebody or directly writing things 77 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:46.000 that are going into the record or guiding people about 78 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:49.410 what's going to go into the record. But you have 79 00:04:49.430 --> 00:04:53.610 a different... circumstance to discuss but you did first of 80 00:04:53.750 --> 00:04:56.300 all uh you know speak with the speak in public 81 00:04:56.680 --> 00:04:59.779 uh with the luna committee and maybe people forgot about 82 00:04:59.819 --> 00:05:02.420 it because they might be remembering the reverse engineering of 83 00:05:02.500 --> 00:05:05.740 alien technology and the bodies allegedly in our hands they 84 00:05:05.779 --> 00:05:08.680 might be remembering that or oh my god they were 85 00:05:08.740 --> 00:05:11.939 admitting that jfk might have been a conspiracy once again 86 00:05:12.540 --> 00:05:15.240 in public uh although the government first admitted that to 87 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:18.610 my mind with the hsca where they said Yeah, Lee 88 00:05:18.620 --> 00:05:21.009 Harvey Oswald was still involved, but, you know, it's likely 89 00:05:21.050 --> 00:05:25.009 somebody else is with him. Anyway, they did that. That's 90 00:05:25.050 --> 00:05:28.310 the second official conclusion by the U.S. government regarding the 91 00:05:28.350 --> 00:05:33.149 JFK assassination. Oh, and there was the MLK assassination considered there, too. 92 00:05:33.189 --> 00:05:35.610 And they kind of came up with the idea that, 93 00:05:35.870 --> 00:05:39.029 wait a minute, there must have been a conspiracy there, too. But, 94 00:05:39.170 --> 00:05:42.990 you know, pay no attention to the actual record. So, Stu, 95 00:05:43.089 --> 00:05:46.870 in recent years, this Luna committee caught fire a bit. 96 00:05:47.610 --> 00:05:49.850 And you, as one of the guys who has been 97 00:05:49.889 --> 00:05:53.490 deep on this, did wind up testifying. So I wonder 98 00:05:53.529 --> 00:05:56.449 if you wouldn't mind speaking to that. Because as I've 99 00:05:56.490 --> 00:05:59.240 had to interact with people throughout this, where they're saying, oh, 100 00:05:59.269 --> 00:06:02.300 why don't they do what the HSCA did? Why don't 101 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:04.439 they investigate this and that? And the third thing I've 102 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:08.040 had to repeatedly say, that this is an oversight committee. 103 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:12.000 And

this is not the whole of their work. This 104 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:15.339 is just a mandate being fulfilled that the president sent 105 00:06:15.420 --> 00:06:21.240 down to Congress. And indeed, they're trying to give life 106 00:06:21.939 --> 00:06:23.790 to the statement that he made where he said he 107 00:06:23.819 --> 00:06:27.129 wanted full disclosure of about a list of 20 things. 108 00:06:28.269 --> 00:06:30.350 Kind of exaggerating there, but it was a pretty lengthy 109 00:06:30.410 --> 00:06:33.459 list if you think about it. Of, you know, stuff 110 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:37.459 that are historical controversies. And you wound up testifying. But 111 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:40.240 I've had to explain again and again, this isn't the ARRB. 112 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:44.870 This is not the HSCA. And it's not an investigative agency. 113 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:49.610 It's oversight and collection of, you know, stray information is 114 00:06:49.649 --> 00:06:52.670 all that's gone on so far. And people also want 115 00:06:52.689 --> 00:06:55.009 them to go after Epstein and anything else. You know, 116 00:06:55.209 --> 00:06:57.470 the existence of aliens finally admitted U.S. 117 00:06:57.509 --> 00:06:57.889 Government. 118 00:06:58.350 --> 00:07:02.269 Area 51, let's go, let's go. it's an oversight committee. 119 00:07:02.490 --> 00:07:06.529 Calm down. You know, I've said that over and over again, 120 00:07:06.569 --> 00:07:09.829 but maybe I'm wrong. You were actually there. So what 121 00:07:09.970 --> 00:07:11.110 do you have to say about that? 122 00:07:11.129 --> 00:07:15.899 No, I think you're largely correct. So I testified in January, 123 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:21.819 end of January, on the King assassination. It was, first 124 00:07:21.860 --> 00:07:24.750 of all, to be somebody who taught civics for you know, 125 00:07:24.910 --> 00:07:27.350 almost 20 years and then testifying in front of Congress. 126 00:07:27.389 --> 00:07:31.629 It's pretty crazy and honor of a situation for me. 127 00:07:31.740 --> 00:07:38.920 But it very much to your point, they're under like 128 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:46.310 they can't compel things. It's really they're they're sort of 129 00:07:46.410 --> 00:07:51.089 requesting things that the government should do. And to their credit, 130 00:07:52.269 --> 00:07:56.300 and especially I would say to Congresswoman Luna's credit, they've 131 00:07:56.819 --> 00:08:02.480 been pretty aggressive. And they've gotten things, in some cases 132 00:08:02.540 --> 00:08:05.750 almost by force of will, by Luna and her staff, 133 00:08:06.790 --> 00:08:09.930 her staff I'm in contact with every so often, even 134 00:08:09.990 --> 00:08:16.470 to this day. They're very good about it. But, again, 135 00:08:16.550 --> 00:08:19.819 they're still at the mercy to some extent, to a 136 00:08:19.860 --> 00:08:24.019 large extent, of the agencies that they're involved. So they 137 00:08:24.060 --> 00:08:27.060 do have oversight, as you said. So they can go 138 00:08:27.100 --> 00:08:29.730 to the National Archives and say, how are you doing 139 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:33.149 at releasing these files that are supposed to be released 140 00:08:33.230 --> 00:08:38.590 under President Trump's executive order? And they have a decent 141 00:08:38.610 --> 00:08:42.889 amount of sway on that kind of activity. But when 142 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:47.460 you get much further, so when you say you go 143 00:08:47.500 --> 00:08:49.600 to an agency that has a little bit more in 144 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:56.639 terms of institutional power, you may have more of a 145 00:08:56.659 --> 00:09:01.809 difficult time trying to get additional material, say, from the FBI, 146 00:09:02.429 --> 00:09:08.309 additional material from the CIA. And ironically, the thing I 147 00:09:08.389 --> 00:09:13.860 testified primarily about is the thing that they could do 148 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:18.190 the most on and yet in some ways the least on, 149 00:09:19.419 --> 00:09:22.049 as I'll explain in a second, is trying to get 150 00:09:22.090 --> 00:09:25.450 the HSCA files on MLK. Now, I had four or 151 00:09:25.470 --> 00:09:30.850 five other things that I asked about MLK, and if 152 00:09:30.929 --> 00:09:37.149 I'm being fair, they've had less success getting the additional 153 00:09:37.330 --> 00:09:41.460 MLK stuff. They had a great success in conjunction with 154 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:46.929 the executive order getting the huge set of files that 155 00:09:46.970 --> 00:09:51.039 I've been after for over a decade. And that's the 156 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:53.600 Merkin files, the FBI's abbreviation for the murder of Martin 157 00:09:53.620 --> 00:09:57.389 Luther King. Almost every one of those files was released 158 00:09:57.929 --> 00:10:05.720 mostly in full on searchable. Very, very cool. But the 159 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:08.799 House Select Committee on Assassinations and many of your viewers 160 00:10:08.820 --> 00:10:10.340 will know what it is. But for those who don't, 161 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:14.220 this is the investigation in the late 1970s to both 162 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:19.409 the JFK and MLK assassination. And they were concurrent assassinations. G. 163 00:10:19.450 --> 00:10:22.990 Robert Blakey was above both of them as the head counsel, 164 00:10:23.110 --> 00:10:28.809 recently deceased. And we have– and I know the public– 165 00:10:28.830 --> 00:10:30.269 and we can talk about it. The public knows that 166 00:10:30.289 --> 00:10:33.470 we have a lot of the JFK files in part 167 00:10:33.509 --> 00:10:36.269 because of the Assassinations Record and Review Board. And a 168 00:10:36.370 --> 00:10:37.870 big part of why I'm going to be talking to 169 00:10:37.909 --> 00:10:40.370 you folks tonight is going to be trying to inform 170 00:10:40.409 --> 00:10:43.750 you about another board that's the Assassinations Records and Review 171 00:10:43.870 --> 00:10:49.220

Board but for civil rights cold cases. That being said– 172 00:10:50.769 --> 00:10:54.740 We get 95% or more of the HSCA files on JFK. 173 00:10:55.899 --> 00:11:00.529 We have basically 0% of the concurrent investigation on MLK. 174 00:11:01.230 --> 00:11:04.350 See, now there's a misconception among a lot of people 175 00:11:04.370 --> 00:11:07.250 who figure that, you know, the entirety of the HSCA 176 00:11:07.289 --> 00:11:11.039 has been revealed or, you know, that is where a 177 00:11:11.100 --> 00:11:14.840 significant amount of progress was made. Indeed, even the slide 178 00:11:14.860 --> 00:11:16.740 that people point to at the end of the Oliver 179 00:11:16.779 --> 00:11:21.100 Stone film regarding the release of files, if you read 180 00:11:21.139 --> 00:11:24.120 it carefully, it does say the files of the House 181 00:11:24.139 --> 00:11:27.000 Select Committee are the ones that we're not going to 182 00:11:27.080 --> 00:11:31.940 see until... Right. You know, 2020, whatever. And then it 183 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:34.860 was pushed up to 2017. And then we have the 184 00:11:34.980 --> 00:11:39.490 ARRB and that entire tale unfolds. But that was inspired 185 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:42.990 by people's outrage over the fact that these files from 186 00:11:43.029 --> 00:11:46.350 the 70s were still, you know, under lock and key. 187 00:11:48.029 --> 00:11:52.720 That is correct. And in the same seal applied to 188 00:11:52.980 --> 00:11:59.159 MLK files, the– but we have, again, because of law 189 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:03.409 but also because of real diligence and activity towards the 190 00:12:03.470 --> 00:12:08.919 executive orders. We have almost all of the JFK HSCA files. Now, 191 00:12:09.019 --> 00:12:10.720 we have the only ones we have on MLK were 192 00:12:10.820 --> 00:12:12.840 accidentally released in the JFK files. 193 00:12:13.139 --> 00:12:13.340 Yeah. 194 00:12:13.419 --> 00:12:16.480 Now, see, there's there's another interesting part of this is, again, 195 00:12:16.500 --> 00:12:21.100 the resistance has been all along, though, with MLK greater 196 00:12:21.539 --> 00:12:25.029 than any of the JFK stuff, because we made progress 197 00:12:25.070 --> 00:12:29.100 there with JFK, like like you said. Quite frankly, the 198 00:12:29.139 --> 00:12:32.679 majority of the HSCA stuff has now been declassified, is 199 00:12:32.779 --> 00:12:39.470 available widely, publicly, and accessible even on the websites. We've 200 00:12:39.490 --> 00:12:44.370 had better chances with accidental releases regarding MLK, although they 201 00:12:44.409 --> 00:12:49.610 were parallel and concurrent investigations by the same body. The 202 00:12:49.649 --> 00:12:55.190 House Select Committee on Assassinations, plural, that's the two assassinations. 203 00:12:56.610 --> 00:12:59.509 Just keeping this in mind, not for you, Stu, obviously, 204 00:13:00.029 --> 00:13:02.429 but for the listener, that is the thing, and this 205 00:13:02.710 --> 00:13:06.870 sometimes gets convoluted together. But that's what you were speaking 206 00:13:06.929 --> 00:13:10.889 about when you went. You could have spoken on RFK. 207 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:14.159 You could have spoken on JFK. But you were selected 208 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:19.340 because of your special attention to the Martin Luther King Jr. assassination, 209 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:24.000 which is not technically a cold case. But when you 210 00:13:24.059 --> 00:13:30.500 mentioned this potential. for an ARB of sorts, uh, for 211 00:13:30.659 --> 00:13:34.039 the civil rights cold cases, for those that are sort 212 00:13:34.059 --> 00:13:36.519 of uninitiated and those that weren't in your class when 213 00:13:36.539 --> 00:13:38.919 you were a teacher, because you had your class working 214 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:42.899 on this stuff. Okay. And you had, uh, various individuals 215 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:46.090 working on this stuff along with you credit where credit's due. 216 00:13:46.190 --> 00:13:46.429 Right. 217 00:13:47.230 --> 00:13:51.009 Um, You know, we're not just talking about let's get 218 00:13:51.049 --> 00:13:53.980 at the truth of MLK, but there are various cases 219 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:59.820 that do require reexamination to be polite and general about it. 220 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:05.019 And also maybe some examination, because some things were never 221 00:14:05.059 --> 00:14:10.139 examined at all regarding various civil rights figures and their 222 00:14:10.379 --> 00:14:13.710 murders that occurred. Yes, go ahead. 223 00:14:14.190 --> 00:14:18.309 Yeah, so we... So the history of the Civil Rights 224 00:14:18.330 --> 00:14:21.460 Cold Case Records and Review Board, which is very similar 225 00:14:21.500 --> 00:14:24.639 to the R, it emerged ultimately out of the work 226 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:29.840 Larry and I were doing on MLK. Because when you 227 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:31.690 read our books, it was first The Awful Grace of 228 00:14:31.730 --> 00:14:34.190 God and then the most updated version is Killing King. 229 00:14:35.230 --> 00:14:40.720 You'll see that we focused– Not just on the mechanisms 230 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:44.500 and the drivers on the ground of who killed Martin 231 00:14:44.519 --> 00:14:47.360 Luther King, but we were dealing with the ideology that 232 00:14:47.419 --> 00:14:51.330 ultimately was behind not just the April 4th killing, but 233 00:14:51.990 --> 00:14:55.750 multiple attempts to try and kill him beforehand. And we 234 00:14:55.799 --> 00:15:02.610 associated with a particular really dangerous right-wing perversion of Christianity 235 00:15:03.250 --> 00:15:07.789 called Christian Identity. And one of the things we established 236 00:15:07.850 --> 00:15:12.730 was that other very famous civil rights crimes, like the 237 00:15:12.789 --> 00:15:18.110 bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Alabama in 1963, 238 00:15:18.110 --> 00:15:22.809 September 1963, unbeknownst

to a lot of people, but in, 239 00:15:22.970 --> 00:15:26.730 for instance, first revealed in the House Select Committee on Assassinations, 240 00:15:27.309 --> 00:15:31.000 there was a connection, there was a lead up. In fact, 241 00:15:31.149 --> 00:15:34.419 there may have been an attempt to to draw King 242 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:40.570 specifically there with that crime to kill him. And there 243 00:15:40.610 --> 00:15:44.610 were more than one instance, the Mississippi burning killings, where 244 00:15:44.629 --> 00:15:49.950 there's overlap on trying to kill King. So our initial 245 00:15:50.070 --> 00:15:53.769 two books dealt somewhat with these other crimes because we 246 00:15:53.889 --> 00:15:57.980 had to. And then the book you referenced, America's Secret Jihad, 247 00:15:59.139 --> 00:16:02.330 I went away from Larry on this one. We worked 248 00:16:02.370 --> 00:16:05.450 so well on other stuff. But I had to expand 249 00:16:05.529 --> 00:16:07.090 on this and just look at how far I could 250 00:16:07.129 --> 00:16:10.960 take it and where it led. And I wound up 251 00:16:11.379 --> 00:16:15.220 pointing out and finding out connections to a lot of 252 00:16:15.379 --> 00:16:19.600 very famous racial murders and other crimes that happened later 253 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:23.519 on that no one connected, not just with King assassination, 254 00:16:23.570 --> 00:16:28.519 but with civil rights and with this ideology. But when 255 00:16:28.580 --> 00:16:33.799 I was doing it, what I found was every time 256 00:16:34.100 --> 00:16:38.779 I was trying to take it somewhere, I would– I found, 257 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:42.519 for instance, in the case of the Birmingham bombing, that 258 00:16:42.570 --> 00:16:47.389 the FBI had wiretapped the law office of one of 259 00:16:47.549 --> 00:16:53.309 the real big white supremacists and frankly terrorists of his day, 260 00:16:53.330 --> 00:16:56.889 a guy named J.B. Stoner. And it was likely for years. 261 00:16:58.990 --> 00:17:02.669 And that might not just simply give you information on 262 00:17:03.899 --> 00:17:07.740 the Birmingham bombing. Stoner was very likely it was either 263 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:11.019 directly involved or indirectly involved as the attorney in virtually 264 00:17:11.099 --> 00:17:14.579 every major act of civil rights violence in the 1960s 265 00:17:14.940 --> 00:17:18.529 and late 1950s. You know, it gets a little bit 266 00:17:18.589 --> 00:17:21.750 shaky from a constitutional point of view, but. If they 267 00:17:21.769 --> 00:17:24.190 were bugging his law office, God knows what was going 268 00:17:24.329 --> 00:17:26.230 on there in terms of what they found out. 269 00:17:26.490 --> 00:17:29.130 And this brings up a problem that's built into this 270 00:17:29.190 --> 00:17:34.400 circumstance that is there from an institutional standpoint because the 271 00:17:34.539 --> 00:17:40.880 FBI has its incestuous involvement with the KKK at a 272 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:44.660 certain point, not just for surveillance, but they have active 273 00:17:44.700 --> 00:17:49.490 members on the payroll, let's put it bluntly. And the 274 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:53.279 thing is, you start admitting to all of the things 275 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:58.279 that went on there as a government agency. If people 276 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:02.099 were very clear on a lot of that circumstance, that 277 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:06.619 causes a big, huge question mark about the story we 278 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:09.839 were told, the prosecution, the level of justice that was 279 00:18:09.900 --> 00:18:14.160 meted out to anybody over the years. You know, how 280 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:17.519 many FBI agents were at every Klan meeting? You know, 281 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:21.660 how many guys are responsible for actually participating in the violence, 282 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:25.740 not just taking notes? You know, this becomes a whole issue. 283 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:28.829 And that's just the Klan, which, by the way, is 284 00:18:28.890 --> 00:18:32.150 not even close to the whole of what was going 285 00:18:32.309 --> 00:18:37.289 on regarding surveillance, counter surveillance, you know, literally domestic intelligence 286 00:18:37.410 --> 00:18:44.980 operations going on among these underground subcultures of individuals that, yeah, 287 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:47.599 the Klan is part of it. but not even the 288 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:52.589 largest part of the white supremacist octopus, so to speak, 289 00:18:53.109 --> 00:18:56.750 that continues to exist today. 290 00:18:58.730 --> 00:19:03.210 And that brings us– so J.B. Stoner, who I just mentioned, 291 00:19:03.990 --> 00:19:05.740 he was thrown out of the Klan because he was 292 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:08.119 too radical. He formed his own group with a guy 293 00:19:08.140 --> 00:19:11.740 named Ed Fields who's amazingly still alive at 90 and 294 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:15.190 still active in white supremacist groups. And they formed a 295 00:19:15.210 --> 00:19:18.730 group called the National States Rights Party, which sounds more, 296 00:19:18.789 --> 00:19:24.109 you know, benign, but is anything but. It's actually worse 297 00:19:24.130 --> 00:19:26.769 than the Klan. And the point that brings us to 298 00:19:27.049 --> 00:19:32.430 the bigger point, all of these issues with government surveillance 299 00:19:32.490 --> 00:19:38.839 of groups, with their investigation of these crimes, you know, 300 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:46.809 there's suspicion, maybe sometimes warranted, sometimes not. There is certainly questions, 301 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:49.809 even if they weren't in any kind of dark way involved. 302 00:19:51.220 --> 00:19:54.880 The reality was that in a lot of these civil 303 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:58.630 rights crimes that came up via my King research and 304 00:19:58.650 --> 00:20:01.849 then ultimately via my research into the history of domestic

305 00:20:01.890 --> 00:20:05.630 terrorism in the United States with America's secret jihad, there's 306 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:11.500 There was a real incentive, and not just in the 60s, 307 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:16.019 but going back to the 40s, depending on who was 308 00:20:16.059 --> 00:20:25.079 doing the investigation, what Justice Department attorney or circuit or 309 00:20:25.099 --> 00:20:31.559 whatever was involved in the case, there was a lot 310 00:20:31.579 --> 00:20:36.750 of incentive to keep whatever they found quiet. and under 311 00:20:37.170 --> 00:20:43.029 lock and key. And unfortunately, that meant, I mean, in 312 00:20:43.049 --> 00:20:46.210 the most extreme case, I brought up the Birmingham bombing, 313 00:20:46.230 --> 00:20:47.650 and this is going to come up a lot. There's 314 00:20:47.670 --> 00:20:49.000 a reason why I keep on coming back to it. 315 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:54.099 In the most extreme case of the Birmingham bombing, they 316 00:20:54.220 --> 00:21:02.099 solved that case within weeks, but never told anybody. Now, 317 00:21:02.339 --> 00:21:05.700 their argument at the time, Hoover, J. Edgar Hoover's argument, 318 00:21:06.849 --> 00:21:13.779 Not all entirely a bad one in 1963 was, well, 319 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:18.339 this was state and local jurisdiction. And, you know, no 320 00:21:18.460 --> 00:21:25.359 Birmingham or Alabama jury, DA, police force, et cetera, was 321 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:28.089 going to convict anybody for that crime. And therefore, we 322 00:21:28.109 --> 00:21:33.630 would just be exposing sources and methods, including potentially informants 323 00:21:33.710 --> 00:21:37.390 that we developed. in these groups. So we're just going 324 00:21:37.410 --> 00:21:41.150 to keep the informants and not, and not help solve 325 00:21:41.190 --> 00:21:43.430 the crime because no one's going to go to jail 326 00:21:43.470 --> 00:21:47.359 for it. Anyway, it becomes less justifiable as years go 327 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:51.740 on and creates an incentive actually for them to never 328 00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:53.170 admit that they solved it. 329 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:54.660 Yeah. 330 00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:59.259 And by the mid 1970s, the governor, well, then the 331 00:21:59.299 --> 00:22:02.349 attorney general, future governor of Alabama, a guy named Bill Baxley, 332 00:22:02.369 --> 00:22:05.980 who I've talked to, He forced it. He forced their 333 00:22:06.019 --> 00:22:11.200 hand and he brought charges and he got them. He 334 00:22:11.259 --> 00:22:15.480 convicted 15 years after the fact a guy named Dynamite 335 00:22:15.529 --> 00:22:20.509 Bob Chambliss for that bombing. And yet we still had 336 00:22:20.569 --> 00:22:24.869 cover up. We still weren't told the full story. And 337 00:22:24.890 --> 00:22:29.559 it took another 20 plus years to For a gentleman 338 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:32.829 who becomes very important to this board that I'm trying 339 00:22:32.869 --> 00:22:34.650 to save and that I need people to write their 340 00:22:34.670 --> 00:22:38.529 lawmaker about, a gentleman by the name of Doug Jones, 341 00:22:38.809 --> 00:22:41.009 who just ran for governor of Alabama and was one-time 342 00:22:41.049 --> 00:22:47.069 senator in Alabama. When he was a federal prosecutor out 343 00:22:47.410 --> 00:22:52.710 of Alabama, he brought the last people to justice for 344 00:22:52.730 --> 00:22:57.420 the Birmingham bombing. Forty years later, with FBI files that 345 00:22:57.460 --> 00:23:02.480 had been sealed— Right. For decades from the public. All 346 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:06.400 of this could have happened, say, in 1966, 1967 and didn't. 347 00:23:08.339 --> 00:23:10.900 And therefore, a bunch of people actually got away with 348 00:23:10.960 --> 00:23:15.480 it now because they died before they could be prosecuted. 349 00:23:16.059 --> 00:23:20.700 But that is the extreme version of what kind of 350 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:25.980 documents and information is being withheld by the government on 351 00:23:26.059 --> 00:23:29.140 all of these other civil rights issues. cases that are 352 00:23:29.180 --> 00:23:32.279 not King that are even not civil rights figures in 353 00:23:32.339 --> 00:23:36.440 some cases are everyday people who got killed in a 354 00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:41.400 racial murder. The government, you know, in other cases, maybe doesn't, 355 00:23:41.940 --> 00:23:44.259 you know, didn't solve the case because we knew what happened, 356 00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:46.960 but the government may have had information that could have 357 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:51.299 helped the families understood what happened. Um, and I can 358 00:23:51.339 --> 00:23:53.960 tell you, I know of a person, um, in one 359 00:23:53.980 --> 00:23:56.440 of these cases that will hopefully be released by this 360 00:23:56.539 --> 00:24:00.839 board that I'm going to ask people about, where the 361 00:24:00.859 --> 00:24:07.789 woman knew who killed her father, and the person who 362 00:24:07.809 --> 00:24:10.549 did it got away with it. But she had to, 363 00:24:10.630 --> 00:24:14.609 for 30 years, investigate herself the motive. And there were 364 00:24:14.710 --> 00:24:18.690 all sorts of salacious rumors as to why her father 365 00:24:18.730 --> 00:24:21.940 was killed, that he was sleeping with the white person 366 00:24:21.980 --> 00:24:27.079 who killed her. um him her his wife no one 367 00:24:27.140 --> 00:24:29.119 she couldn't tell to what extent they were true or 368 00:24:29.180 --> 00:24:33.970 not imagine you pick up rosa parks's autobiography and she 369 00:24:34.029 --> 00:24:36.849 raises the specter that your dead father was sleeping with 370 00:24:36.890 --> 00:24:40.289 a white woman's a white man's wife and got killed 371 00:24:40.329 --> 00:24:44.009 for it that wasn't it and she took her 30 372 00:24:44.009 --> 00:24:47.190 years of going through files to find out that what 373 00:24:47.230

--> 00:24:50.029 it was was that her father was a very successful 374 00:24:51.069 --> 00:24:54.950 Dairy person, especially for a black person in, you know, 375 00:24:55.089 --> 00:25:00.950 the late 1950s. And he got killed because he was 376 00:25:01.109 --> 00:25:04.009 out competing the white people in the same industry. 377 00:25:04.450 --> 00:25:04.769 Right. 378 00:25:05.829 --> 00:25:10.069 And she had to dig for that. When I told 379 00:25:10.150 --> 00:25:14.660 my students in 2015 and taught them about all the 380 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:19.230 stuff we didn't find out about the Birmingham bombing. And 381 00:25:19.269 --> 00:25:21.809 I taught them about how there's still stuff we don't 382 00:25:21.869 --> 00:25:27.779 know about J.B. Stoner's role. They decided to do something 383 00:25:27.859 --> 00:25:31.960 about this. And in many ways, they didn't know about 384 00:25:32.019 --> 00:25:34.809 her yet. So this woman, people like this woman don't 385 00:25:34.829 --> 00:25:40.049 have to spend 30 years looking for answers. They Helped– 386 00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:43.390 with my guidance, we created a law. It was based 387 00:25:43.549 --> 00:25:47.529 on the JFK Assassinations Records and Review– Records and Collection Act. 388 00:25:48.309 --> 00:25:52.130 They wrote a bill. They got some media attention for it, 389 00:25:52.130 --> 00:25:56.710 got an article in Politico, got the attention of Bobby Rush, 390 00:25:57.650 --> 00:26:00.170 the only guy to ever beat Barack Obama in an election. 391 00:26:00.890 --> 00:26:02.210 He introduced it in the House. 392 00:26:02.230 --> 00:26:02.750 Hmm. 393 00:26:03.900 --> 00:26:05.960 It got stuck there a little bit, but then we 394 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:08.799 got very lucky that Doug Jones, who had promised us 395 00:26:08.859 --> 00:26:12.170 he would introduce it, won his Senate race in Alabama. 396 00:26:13.369 --> 00:26:16.410 It took some lobbying. It took some work, especially by 397 00:26:16.430 --> 00:26:19.950 Doug Jones and Bobby Rush, but eventually gets through the 398 00:26:19.970 --> 00:26:23.160 House and gets through the Senate, and we get the 399 00:26:23.220 --> 00:26:28.500 Civil Rights Cold Case Records and Review Board. And I 400 00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:31.119 am here, and I'm also happy to talk about the 401 00:26:31.140 --> 00:26:35.849 other stuff even more, MLK, The committee– I know I 402 00:26:36.250 --> 00:26:38.529 started about the fact, and I will get back to it. 403 00:26:38.549 --> 00:26:44.369 I know I'm doing the weave, as Trump sometimes calls it. 404 00:26:44.500 --> 00:26:48.960 But I want to let you know we created a 405 00:26:49.019 --> 00:26:53.519 website for you to mobilize because the board was not created, 406 00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:58.940 was not functional until the second half of 2024, even 407 00:26:58.980 --> 00:27:03.079 though the law passed in 2019. It's an incredibly small board. 408 00:27:03.950 --> 00:27:07.859 They're about to go

out of business in 2027, January, 409 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:11.579 unless we can do something to extend it. And we 410 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:15.200 have something in place to extend it. And all we 411 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:16.839 need– and I'll talk about it more. I know I'm 412 00:27:16.859 --> 00:27:20.240 talking a lot here, Chuck. But all we need is 413 00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.829 for people to go to the website that we'll have 414 00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:28.809 on this– in the link section on this board, and 415 00:27:29.470 --> 00:27:32.500 it will create the email for you. You just put 416 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:35.759 in your name, your zip code and your name. You 417 00:27:35.779 --> 00:27:37.440 just cut and paste. You put it into your own 418 00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:41.619 email browser and send it. It doesn't store anything. It 419 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:45.559 takes less than a minute. And we can get answers 420 00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:48.140 for people who are still wanting to know about the 421 00:27:48.180 --> 00:27:52.359 Birmingham bombing, still wanting to know about multiple dozens of 422 00:27:52.420 --> 00:27:55.799 civil rights cases where people got away with the murder. 423 00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:58.640 OK, so just allow me to do this. It is 424 00:27:58.740 --> 00:28:03.369 very much like signing a petition. Like people do online 425 00:28:03.410 --> 00:28:07.250 all the time, maybe a slight bit more effort than 426 00:28:07.289 --> 00:28:09.769 the point and click that you get with the signing 427 00:28:09.809 --> 00:28:12.170 the petitions for this and that, sending it to the 428 00:28:12.210 --> 00:28:17.039 White House. But also, just so people understand, the ARRB 429 00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:21.779 was extended a little bit beyond its original mandated lifespan 430 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:26.660 as well. Um, and this would not be unprecedented or 431 00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:31.019 unusual because again, this is a temporary agency, like you said, 432 00:28:31.099 --> 00:28:35.019 inspired by the ARRB, um, or the ARB as some 433 00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:39.319 people call it. Um, and it has a limited lifespan 434 00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:43.099 just like that thing did. Uh, so what we're talking 435 00:28:43.140 --> 00:28:46.079 about here is giving it a bit more time to 436 00:28:46.099 --> 00:28:51.220 get more done because as you said, it was only actually, uh, animated, uh, 437 00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:55.420 Two years ago, and that is not a lot of 438 00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:59.660 time to go through many, many cases where, again, the 439 00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:04.500 institutions involved, the individuals involved have been resistant for various 440 00:29:04.579 --> 00:29:09.900 reasons to allow even the things that were truly investigated 441 00:29:10.019 --> 00:29:14.279 to be revealed. So I think that's a fair summation there. 442 00:29:14.779 --> 00:29:17.000 And yes, we're going to include a link along with 443 00:29:17.019 --> 00:29:20.019 the show notes, and I'll put that out everywhere I can. 444 00:29:21.369 --> 00:29:24.210 And you can do it for yourselves. Fill in the, 445 00:29:24.309 --> 00:29:26.910 you know, the form. You'll be directed to do so. 446 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:30.819 And that's about the size of it. It's not that hard. 447 00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:36.009 Just a touch more effort than the signing a online petition, maybe. 448 00:29:37.150 --> 00:29:37.329 Yeah. 449 00:29:37.670 --> 00:29:37.869 Go ahead. 450 00:29:37.950 --> 00:29:41.890 It's literally you put in zip code. name, cut and 451 00:29:41.910 --> 00:29:45.140 paste four times, and you're done. And the reason we 452 00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:47.539 did it, just to let the folks know, first off, 453 00:29:47.700 --> 00:29:51.299 as you said, it takes one minute of your time. 454 00:29:51.380 --> 00:29:54.400 It would be incredibly appreciated by me and my former 455 00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:57.279 students if other folks would share it out. And the 456 00:29:57.319 --> 00:29:59.200 reason we didn't do it as a petition for them 457 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:03.799 We're sending it to multiple congressmen. We created this website 458 00:30:04.500 --> 00:30:09.259 that micro-targets the congressperson. So if you read some of 459 00:30:09.299 --> 00:30:12.210 the emails that will be generated, it's going to say 460 00:30:12.289 --> 00:30:17.089 things to the congressperson that will appeal specifically to that person. 461 00:30:17.470 --> 00:30:19.609 It's really neat in the way it works in that way, 462 00:30:20.589 --> 00:30:26.359 which is a real advantage over a petition. Basically, the 463 00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.869 big thing it's asking your lawmakers to do is to 464 00:30:30.250 --> 00:30:34.829 ask their party leaders to do something called suspending the rules. 465 00:30:35.890 --> 00:30:38.809 And that's important, too, because the other element of this 466 00:30:38.930 --> 00:30:42.009 is that slows this board down is they're very good 467 00:30:42.029 --> 00:30:44.359 at what they do, but they're very, very small. If 468 00:30:44.390 --> 00:30:47.359 you told me they were the smallest agency in the 469 00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:51.759 entire United States federal government, I would believe it. And 470 00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.900 so they do a thorough job, but they're doing it 471 00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:56.660 with so few people. And there's the extra element, and 472 00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:00.789 that is this, that If we try and let this 473 00:31:00.849 --> 00:31:03.829 go through the normal process instead of suspending the rules, 474 00:31:03.890 --> 00:31:08.660 which is sort of an inside baseball way that the 475 00:31:08.700 --> 00:31:12.160 House gets its job done faster, because if you ever 476 00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:14.500 learn about how a bill becomes a law in the House, 477 00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:18.220 it has to go through like five stages. Suspending the 478

00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:22.319 rules basically takes you from committee to passage, and it 479 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:25.099 goes to the president. But if we have to wait 480 00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:26.839 until the end of December, which is what we had 481 00:31:26.859 --> 00:31:28.589 to do, and I could tell the story if you 482 00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:32.029 want me to, How crazy that got even the first 483 00:31:32.069 --> 00:31:38.579 time this law passed in 2018. It's incredibly tenuous. It 484 00:31:38.630 --> 00:31:41.240 may not happen. It almost didn't happen with the original law. 485 00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:44.880 And in the two months that that's going on, these 486 00:31:45.339 --> 00:31:49.460 handful of people on the board, the staff especially, they 487 00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:52.309 have to consider whether or not to take other jobs. Okay. 488 00:31:53.089 --> 00:31:55.210 And so if we could get this thing suspended on 489 00:31:55.309 --> 00:31:57.730 Tuesday– this is why I'm so desperate to get out there. 490 00:31:58.170 --> 00:32:00.710 Tuesday is the first instance where we could possibly have 491 00:32:00.750 --> 00:32:04.279 this happen. If we could get the rules suspended on this, 492 00:32:05.019 --> 00:32:08.240 those people will have the assurance that they could just 493 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:12.079 stick and stay on the board and do their job 494 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:14.240 and work. And they'll have their job for another few 495 00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:18.809 years because this bill that we've gotten through the Senate already, 496 00:32:19.089 --> 00:32:23.309 unanimous consent, every senator agreed– If it goes through the House, 497 00:32:24.210 --> 00:32:27.470 they're going to get several extra years in order to 498 00:32:27.490 --> 00:32:31.569 do their job. It's not limitless. There's like the law 499 00:32:31.750 --> 00:32:34.509 sets what a cold case is. So there's essentially a 500 00:32:34.630 --> 00:32:37.670 virtual queue of cases that they have to go through. 501 00:32:38.099 --> 00:32:40.130 And then it's over. So it's not a thing where 502 00:32:40.150 --> 00:32:42.259 you'll be paying for it forever as a taxpayer. And 503 00:32:42.299 --> 00:32:45.240 it's relative to virtually every agency. It's also one of 504 00:32:45.259 --> 00:32:49.660 the cheapest agencies probably in the entire United States government. 505 00:32:50.789 --> 00:32:52.829 But if you fill that out and if you share it, 506 00:32:53.130 --> 00:32:54.970 so if you don't just fill it out, you do 507 00:32:55.009 --> 00:32:57.650 me a huge favor and share it because I've been 508 00:32:57.690 --> 00:33:00.700 sharing it and doing well. But the problem is, is 509 00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:04.920 my my socials are all heavily concentrated in the northeast. 510 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:08.240 And that's fine. But we really need it to be 511 00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:11.329 concentrated in other parts of the country, too, so that 512 00:33:11.390

--> 00:33:16.730 when any of the. Republican or Democratic leaders, they're getting 513 00:33:16.789 --> 00:33:19.750 calls from everybody. That's what we're hoping, that all the 514 00:33:19.789 --> 00:33:23.029 lawmakers say, hey, I just got emails from five people 515 00:33:23.069 --> 00:33:25.769 about this. Can you put this on the agenda Tuesday? 516 00:33:27.210 --> 00:33:30.000 And that's what I'm kind of hoping for and what 517 00:33:30.019 --> 00:33:32.200 I'm very grateful that you're allowing me to pitch the 518 00:33:32.259 --> 00:33:35.579 audience on, Chuck. But happy to talk again about all 519 00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:38.279 the other stuff. Like I didn't even get done talking about, 520 00:33:39.980 --> 00:33:43.660 you know, the the MLK element of the task force. 521 00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:46.039 And one thing that people might have, and you can 522 00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:48.430 ask me it is why isn't the civil rights cold 523 00:33:48.470 --> 00:33:52.430 case board review board handling the MLK assassination? And I'm 524 00:33:52.470 --> 00:33:54.170 happy to answer that question as well. 525 00:33:55.029 --> 00:33:58.039 Yeah, I have a few questions, but while you were speaking, 526 00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:02.500 I am putting it out on Twitter. The opening statement 527 00:34:02.539 --> 00:34:06.200 and the title page and the link is, to point 528 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:09.050 it out to people. Also, I'm going to include it. 529 00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:12.900 I have included it at the chat room at ocelli.com, 530 00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:16.239 which currently doesn't have a lot of traffic because it's 531 00:34:16.260 --> 00:34:18.949 not my usual day to broadcast. But people can always 532 00:34:18.989 --> 00:34:21.710 roll it back and take a look and grab the 533 00:34:21.750 --> 00:34:23.570 link from there if you don't have the show notes. 534 00:34:24.590 --> 00:34:28.699 And you can participate in this right now, this weekend. Uh, 535 00:34:28.820 --> 00:34:30.880 I'm going to make sure that this is released, uh, 536 00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:34.519 before midnight tonight, if I can, uh, this, uh, this 537 00:34:34.579 --> 00:34:39.139 podcast and get it right on out there. Um, you know, just, uh, 538 00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:41.039 just so people have a chance to do it. And 539 00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:43.400 like you said, it shouldn't take more than a minute 540 00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:48.480 of your time, you know, and again, this is not necessarily, uh, 541 00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:52.239 about the MLK case, but good question. Uh, you know, 542 00:34:52.260 --> 00:34:54.920 the MLK case to me is not a cold case, uh, 543 00:34:55.949 --> 00:34:58.980 But there is more to be revealed there, and there's 544 00:34:59.019 --> 00:35:02.400 more to be revealed in all these cold cases. And 545 00:35:02.780 --> 00:35:07.400 many of these cases, although significant, did not receive as 546 00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:12.610 much public attention as obviously the MLK case or even 547 00:35:13.190 --> 00:35:19.079 the recent activity regarding the Malcolm X case. Right. Where, 548 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:21.760 you know, you do have actually people being released. Something 549 00:35:21.820 --> 00:35:25.369 happened that all came just out of a Netflix documentary 550 00:35:25.389 --> 00:35:29.550 and a few other activities, but also represents the collective 551 00:35:29.590 --> 00:35:32.610 work of many people who were asking questions for many 552 00:35:32.670 --> 00:35:34.590 years regarding that. I don't know if you have any 553 00:35:34.630 --> 00:35:39.199 comments about that, but let's begin with, OK, why isn't 554 00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:42.860 the MLK case included here in these, you know, with 555 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:43.360 this board? 556 00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:43.639 Go ahead. 557 00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:50.199 So the law has statutory section. When my students designed it, 558 00:35:50.349 --> 00:35:56.530 it's 95% like revising the JFK Records Review Board. Any 559 00:35:56.570 --> 00:35:59.570 of the people like Bill Simpich or Larry Schnapp or anybody, 560 00:35:59.590 --> 00:36:02.309 if they read it, they'd be like, wow, this is 561 00:36:02.469 --> 00:36:06.309 like many places almost word for word, but some words changed. 562 00:36:07.170 --> 00:36:09.989 But there's a section where we have to actually define terms, 563 00:36:10.710 --> 00:36:12.949 and a lot of that borrowed from something called the 564 00:36:13.030 --> 00:36:15.750 Emmett Till Act. which attempted to reopen a bunch of 565 00:36:15.789 --> 00:36:19.510 these cases, over 100 of them, those cases were all 566 00:36:19.590 --> 00:36:25.079 closed without resolution. But the definition of a cold case 567 00:36:26.019 --> 00:36:30.360 is defined by that section. And that section, depending on 568 00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:32.460 how stringent you want to be, and I think the 569 00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:34.900 board has been pretty stringent about it, you have to 570 00:36:35.539 --> 00:36:39.820 stick within the contours. And the problem for MLK cases 571 00:36:39.889 --> 00:36:48.460 is Local case where the person, James O'Reilly, essentially pled guilty. Now, 572 00:36:48.500 --> 00:36:52.079 of course, Congress then, as you said, Chuck, quite eloquently 573 00:36:52.099 --> 00:36:55.090 at the beginning, Congress kind of said, no, actually, we 574 00:36:55.110 --> 00:36:58.449 think this was a likely conspiracy, as they did with JFK. 575 00:36:59.329 --> 00:37:01.289 So I think that could potentially open it up. But 576 00:37:01.329 --> 00:37:06.670 the problem becomes MLK case is hundreds and hundreds of 577 00:37:06.730 --> 00:37:12.840 thousands of files. Now, MLK himself. wanted these cases solved. 578 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:17.809 People think that Hoover didn't like him because Hoover was racist. 579 00:37:17.829 --> 00:37:20.869 There was a part of that, sure. But Hoover really 580

00:37:20.909 --> 00:37:25.260 didn't like MLK because MLK was calling out the FBI 581 00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:28.769 on failing to solve these cases. There is a case 582 00:37:28.989 --> 00:37:31.429 called the Morse Ford lynching. I went and watched the 583 00:37:31.489 --> 00:37:35.010 reenactment in Georgia of this case. It's the last mass 584 00:37:35.170 --> 00:37:36.949 lynching in the history of the United States. I think 585 00:37:37.030 --> 00:37:40.230 it was in 1946. The whole town is traumatized by this. 586 00:37:40.269 --> 00:37:45.469 They still do reenactments of this lynching. And that case, 587 00:37:45.550 --> 00:37:49.030 people don't realize this, played a major role in why 588 00:37:49.050 --> 00:37:53.380 Martin Luther King himself became radicalized into the civil rights movement. 589 00:37:54.750 --> 00:37:58.190 He was on the issue with the Burmese. The reason why, 590 00:37:58.269 --> 00:38:03.610 as I was saying before, these white supremacists started doing 591 00:38:03.670 --> 00:38:07.530 murders to draw King into their kill zone because they 592 00:38:07.590 --> 00:38:10.739 knew every time they committed one of these crimes, King 593 00:38:10.780 --> 00:38:14.960 would come and protest it. So even though this case 594 00:38:15.019 --> 00:38:19.000 is probably too unwieldy and maybe out of the definition 595 00:38:19.019 --> 00:38:22.289 of of a civil rights cold case for MLK. If 596 00:38:22.489 --> 00:38:24.989 MLK is an inspiration to you folks like he is 597 00:38:25.030 --> 00:38:28.599 to me, this board is as much about what his 598 00:38:28.739 --> 00:38:34.300 spirit was as anyone's. And these cases are a part 599 00:38:34.340 --> 00:38:37.820 of the story of what, in some cases, what happened 600 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:42.599 to him. And so... I would strongly– again, everybody, if 601 00:38:42.619 --> 00:38:45.659 you could fill it out, share it. But that's why 602 00:38:45.699 --> 00:38:49.380 they don't do it because, A, it's probably technically outside 603 00:38:49.420 --> 00:38:52.239 the definition of what they can count as a civil 604 00:38:52.260 --> 00:38:58.650 rights cold case. And, B, even if it wasn't, it's massive. 605 00:38:59.570 --> 00:39:04.469 So the MLK case probably needs the full weight of 606 00:39:04.590 --> 00:39:08.860 a group like the Luna Task Force, right? to get 607 00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:10.880 at the files. And I'm happy to talk about some 608 00:39:10.900 --> 00:39:14.489 of the hangups we're having on that front. It's not 609 00:39:14.550 --> 00:39:19.570 for lack of effort by Luna. Um, but I'm hoping 610 00:39:19.750 --> 00:39:22.849 because Larry Schnapp, for everybody who doesn't know, has said 611 00:39:23.570 --> 00:39:26.369 that he, as he understands it from certain people on 612 00:39:26.389 --> 00:39:31.840 the inside, including Jeff Morley, this board is the task force, thankfully, 613 00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:34.760 is going to be renewed in the next in the 614 00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:38.480 Democratic Congress. Jared Moskowitz is going to be the chair. 615 00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:41.780 Luna will be the co-chair. And hopefully we can get 616 00:39:41.820 --> 00:39:44.530 done what we haven't gotten done yet on JFK, MLK 617 00:39:44.590 --> 00:39:45.050 and RFK. 618 00:39:47.500 --> 00:39:47.719 Right. 619 00:39:47.820 --> 00:39:51.690 And look, correcting the historical record and really actually revealing 620 00:39:51.730 --> 00:39:56.269 the historical record in many cases, not just for the 621 00:39:56.289 --> 00:39:58.449 sake of the family, but for the sake of the 622 00:39:58.489 --> 00:40:01.949 many lessons that could be learned, should truly be a 623 00:40:02.070 --> 00:40:07.570 bipartisan effort. Because I can't see how someone would object 624 00:40:07.590 --> 00:40:12.070 to to straightening this out. You know, you ask almost anybody, 625 00:40:12.210 --> 00:40:16.570 any political party about transparency, they may want to point 626 00:40:16.610 --> 00:40:20.619 to the lack of it in their opponents. But, you know, 627 00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:24.300 notice everybody points a finger because there is a lack 628 00:40:24.340 --> 00:40:28.940 of transparency that is evident across the board, whether you 629 00:40:28.980 --> 00:40:32.139 want to blame your own or not. OK, just saying. 630 00:40:32.780 --> 00:40:36.869 So this is something that, you should be, in spirit, 631 00:40:37.090 --> 00:40:40.789 a bipartisan effort. I don't know how else to put that. 632 00:40:41.889 --> 00:40:45.130 You know, and this is what I never understand is that, yes, 633 00:40:45.190 --> 00:40:47.550 there's indeed a push from one side or the other 634 00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:52.699 when it is politically convenient or advantageous, I should say, 635 00:40:53.739 --> 00:40:56.420 you know, for certain things. And of course, you know, 636 00:40:56.480 --> 00:41:00.960 even during the hearings regarding the Luna Committee, etc., you know, 637 00:41:01.019 --> 00:41:04.289 you saw political grandstanding, people trying to score points on 638 00:41:04.329 --> 00:41:07.760 a certain level. you know, trying to make their points. 639 00:41:08.769 --> 00:41:10.969 You know, before I say anything about the actual thing 640 00:41:11.010 --> 00:41:12.909 in front of me, I just want to point out 641 00:41:12.949 --> 00:41:17.929 that Donald Trump is, insert either the opposition comments, you know, 642 00:41:18.309 --> 00:41:19.929 he's a scumbag and this and that, and he did 643 00:41:19.969 --> 00:41:23.579 all this stuff wrong, or he is a great American 644 00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:25.960 and we need to thank him for every breath we breathe. 645 00:41:26.940 --> 00:41:30.119 You know, this grandstanding went on during the five minutes 646 00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:33.460 of question that people were granted, you know, during these 647 00:41:33.500 --> 00:41:37.929 hearings as well. Um, you know, that's my commentary. That's 648

00:41:37.969 --> 00:41:41.639 not Stu, but that, that is what happened. You were there. Okay. 649 00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:44.059 You saw, well, I mean, I, I, I experienced it 650 00:41:44.099 --> 00:41:49.119 to some extent. I mean, with my, with, with my hearing, um, 651 00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:54.420 it's about the MLK assassination files, right? And they turned 652 00:41:54.460 --> 00:41:58.949 it into an entire thing about Quintel pro and they 653 00:41:58.969 --> 00:42:01.730 were all under the misperception. And God knows if you 654 00:42:01.769 --> 00:42:05.389 watch the hearing, um, You'll see me almost ripping what 655 00:42:05.429 --> 00:42:08.469 little hair I have left out of my head trying 656 00:42:08.510 --> 00:42:12.389 to correct them that they all were under the impression 657 00:42:12.409 --> 00:42:16.719 that what was released were the scurrilous Quinto Pro stuff 658 00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:21.239 on King. None of that was released. Thus far, everything 659 00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:24.739 that's been released, hundreds of thousands of files from the FBI, 660 00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:28.880 not from the HSCA, have been the crime, have been 661 00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:31.579 related to the criminal investigation of Martin Luther King's murder. 662 00:42:32.500 --> 00:42:34.929 And it was driving me crazy because everybody was trying 663 00:42:34.949 --> 00:42:39.829 to score points with Quinto Pro from both sides. And 664 00:42:39.969 --> 00:42:44.630 trying to imply that it was a hit job on King. 665 00:42:45.210 --> 00:42:47.119 And it was nothing of the sort. And the big 666 00:42:47.219 --> 00:42:49.320 problem and why I was trying so hard to correct 667 00:42:49.380 --> 00:42:54.159 it is that can contribute to scaring the King family 668 00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:57.760 from supporting what I was asking for. If they think 669 00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:02.420 it's going to be scurrilous material– They could work to 670 00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:04.989 try and not get it released because there is scurrilous 671 00:43:05.050 --> 00:43:10.489 material that's probably largely exaggerated or false on King. In 672 00:43:11.099 --> 00:43:15.210 the files, it's a pretty good bet. But it what 673 00:43:15.269 --> 00:43:17.590 it doesn't have to be what's released in connection with 674 00:43:17.630 --> 00:43:18.250 his murder. 675 00:43:18.750 --> 00:43:19.230 Well, right. 676 00:43:19.349 --> 00:43:20.750 And that was my whole theme. 677 00:43:20.769 --> 00:43:24.170 Yeah, because even the true scurrilous material, there is some 678 00:43:24.250 --> 00:43:29.909 true scurrilous material. But there is also fabricated, exaggerated, as 679 00:43:29.949 --> 00:43:33.449 you said. I mean, you know, you name it. They 680 00:43:33.510 --> 00:43:37.239 are concerned with the legacy, you know, of Dr. 681 00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:37.489 King. 682 00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:42.960 So. That is their main concern. And look, you can 683 00:43:43.019 --> 00:43:48.260 do this without, you know, besmirching the man postmortem. OK, 684 00:43:48.659 --> 00:43:51.599 you know, I'm not saying you, Sue, but I'm saying 685 00:43:51.659 --> 00:43:54.880 it can be done. So there are people that are 686 00:43:54.900 --> 00:43:59.159 concerned with that. Rightfully so. You know, we've already heard 687 00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:02.719 enough about, you know, well, he was sleeping with this 688 00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:05.019 one or whatever. And they have a recording. Hey, something 689 00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:06.860 happened in that hotel room. Hey, it turns out it 690 00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:10.099 wasn't him. You know, I've heard this for years and 691 00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:13.239 years already. You know, and of course, there were the 692 00:44:13.300 --> 00:44:17.579 plans to do things like, you know, give them a threat. Hey, 693 00:44:17.659 --> 00:44:19.320 you can end up being a junkie dead in an 694 00:44:19.460 --> 00:44:21.780 alley anyway, even though you've never done drugs, my friend. 695 00:44:22.690 --> 00:44:25.070 You know, and why don't you kill yourself? Here's a letter. 696 00:44:25.750 --> 00:44:29.610 You know, these things have come up. OK, and they 697 00:44:29.650 --> 00:44:33.349 do lead to some pretty nasty stuff. Indeed, COINTELPRO should 698 00:44:33.389 --> 00:44:42.320 be an embarrassment. you know, to our law enforcement agencies 699 00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:47.059 in the federal government. It should be. Various people, you know, 700 00:44:47.099 --> 00:44:51.409 they attempted to neutralize in their language one way or another. 701 00:44:51.750 --> 00:44:54.190 And that does include killing them, imprisoning them. And it 702 00:44:54.230 --> 00:44:57.969 didn't matter if it was rightfully or wrongfully done, you know, 703 00:44:58.309 --> 00:45:01.469 so on and so forth. And there's much to be 704 00:45:01.510 --> 00:45:06.559 said there. But we can get at the truth here without, 705 00:45:07.699 --> 00:45:12.280 you know, fouling the victim's legacy, basically. I mean, I'm 706 00:45:12.300 --> 00:45:14.039 trying to put this as politely as possible. 707 00:45:14.980 --> 00:45:17.380 Well, that was literally my whole testimony. 708 00:45:17.699 --> 00:45:18.260 Yeah. 709 00:45:18.300 --> 00:45:22.199 My whole testimony was we can do this in a 710 00:45:22.260 --> 00:45:28.019 selective way. Right. And what we're facing now is resistance 711 00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:30.019 from the clerk of the House of Representatives on the 712 00:45:30.179 --> 00:45:35.849 HSCA stuff. And then my other four requests, I'm waiting. 713 00:45:35.909 --> 00:45:38.110 I need to probably follow up in a week or two. 714 00:45:38.590 --> 00:45:41.210 The other four main aspects of my request included things 715 00:45:41.269 --> 00:45:44.889 like just getting the files directly on certain people and 716 00:45:44.909 --> 00:45:50.769 groups from the FBI and other agencies, seeing what foreign 717 00:45:50.809 -->

00:45:54.159 governments had to provide. You know, Ray went to Mexico, Canada, 718 00:45:54.179 --> 00:45:58.519 and the UK. And then a big one is would 719 00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:01.440 they be willing to run fingerprints? And it's, it's, is 720 00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:05.860 that in their ambience? Because I have them, they're scanned 721 00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:09.380 to specs and they can be run fingerprints that were 722 00:46:09.420 --> 00:46:15.099 never matched in the King assassination. And why not see 723 00:46:15.139 --> 00:46:17.039 if we can find out if this, you know, if 724 00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:19.469 it shows up as being a member of the criminal underworld, 725 00:46:19.510 --> 00:46:22.769 we have a big problem on our hands, right? So, um, 726 00:46:23.949 --> 00:46:26.730 those were the, the main things I was asking for. 727 00:46:28.309 --> 00:46:30.230 And the number one thing was to try and get 728 00:46:30.250 --> 00:46:34.590 the clerk to release selectively the files, selectively meaning don't 729 00:46:34.690 --> 00:46:37.599 give out the Cointelpro stuff. It's all in one place. 730 00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:39.119 We know what the file name is. We know the 731 00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:42.579 section of the report. Don't release it. Keep that out. 732 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:50.019 Release everything else. And let us see executive session testimony, 733 00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:53.110 staff reports, et cetera, that we have all of them 734 00:46:53.170 --> 00:46:58.070 from JFK and none of them from MLK, right? Um, 735 00:46:58.929 --> 00:47:01.489 there's less stuff on RFK. I tried to get some 736 00:47:01.530 --> 00:47:03.389 input on that as well. Larry and I have done 737 00:47:03.429 --> 00:47:06.610 a lot on that. Um, but there's stuff that can 738 00:47:06.630 --> 00:47:09.769 be released there that wasn't released. They did release a lot. 739 00:47:09.809 --> 00:47:16.800 And unfortunately we're not very, um, uh, discreet in what 740 00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:21.840 they released. They should have redacted and withheld some stuff without, 741 00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:25.159 or consulted with the RFK family before they released some stuff, 742 00:47:25.219 --> 00:47:29.670 I think. But, um, They did. There's still more on 743 00:47:29.690 --> 00:47:34.050 that that can be done. I hope this task force 744 00:47:34.949 --> 00:47:39.130 stays with their feet on the pedal. I hope I 745 00:47:39.170 --> 00:47:43.570 even get a chance to testify again and sort of 746 00:47:45.250 --> 00:47:49.769 explain one more time where things stand and maybe argue 747 00:47:49.829 --> 00:47:52.949 against what the clerk of the House has to say. 748 00:47:54.630 --> 00:47:59.030 And then we can work it from there. And then, 749 00:47:59.070 --> 00:48:03.929 you know, again, you're doing part of the work. On MLK, 750 00:48:03.949 --> 00:48:06.150 you should do it anyway just for these victims and 751 00:48:06.170 --> 00:48:09.789 their families and

their communities just by extending this review port. 752 00:48:10.250 --> 00:48:10.469 Right. 753 00:48:11.139 --> 00:48:13.739 And, you know, sending the email and sharing it, et cetera, 754 00:48:14.659 --> 00:48:18.900 to anyone who does that, very much appreciated. But, yes, 755 00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:24.510 I think, you know, a lot of people throw– shade 756 00:48:24.550 --> 00:48:27.260 his way, but I think Jeff is actually, having Jeff 757 00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:31.019 on the staff has been a big help for JFK, 758 00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:34.239 and I think we'll probably see, my guess is we'll 759 00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:37.539 see just how much when we get the, this interim 760 00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:41.659 report out about JFK, you know, um, but there's no 761 00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:45.489 such person on MLK. I, I, I occasionally call up, right. 762 00:48:46.150 --> 00:48:48.989 Well, but yeah, no, I understand. Let me, let me 763 00:48:49.050 --> 00:48:52.530 interrupt you because I, I want, there might be somebody 764 00:48:52.590 --> 00:48:55.519 listening to all this and saying, okay, you know, I 765 00:48:55.579 --> 00:48:59.539 support the spirit of this, but I'm a little confused. Um, 766 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:03.980 So here's what the ultimate question should be here regarding 767 00:49:04.019 --> 00:49:06.420 this before we move on to just, you know, tell 768 00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:08.320 me about what your thoughts are on the, you know, 769 00:49:08.389 --> 00:49:10.190 on the committee and the other things that we might 770 00:49:10.210 --> 00:49:13.630 get to if we have time. But um in the 771 00:49:13.730 --> 00:49:19.500 best of all worlds right um your best results that 772 00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:24.199 you could imagine ultimately uh you know what is it 773 00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:27.380 that is the uh you know the dream goal here 774 00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:30.590 uh that you'd like to accomplish like how would you 775 00:49:30.659 --> 00:49:35.070 summarize that to people what would be You know, the 776 00:49:35.349 --> 00:49:39.769 the gain here, what would be the the best possible 777 00:49:39.929 --> 00:49:45.239 outcome for these efforts, for this committee, et cetera? What 778 00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:49.119 is it that you actually seek? Ultimately, if you were to, 779 00:49:49.340 --> 00:49:52.670 you know, boil it down to its most simple statement, 780 00:49:52.889 --> 00:49:54.489 how would you explain that to somebody? 781 00:49:55.369 --> 00:50:00.119 The ideal world would be on Monday. Speaker Johnson, Majority 782 00:50:00.139 --> 00:50:06.949 Leader Scalise, and Minority Leader Jeffries are overwhelmed with emails 783 00:50:07.070 --> 00:50:11.650 and phone calls from lawmakers who received your emails from 784 00:50:11.670 --> 00:50:17.789 this website. And they're all telling them tomorrow, Tuesday, that 785 00:50:17.809 --> 00:50:28.210 would be November 17th, put the S-1510 on the agenda 786 00:50:28.570 --> 00:50:31.409 and suspend the rules so that this can go to Trump, 787 00:50:31.530 --> 00:50:34.230 get signed, and this board can have another few years. 788 00:50:35.050 --> 00:50:38.550 So my ideal would get mass mobilization that leads to 789 00:50:38.610 --> 00:50:43.099 people in the Congress contacting their leaders, their party leaders, 790 00:50:43.139 --> 00:50:46.679 and telling them, let's get this done tomorrow. Let's get 791 00:50:46.699 --> 00:50:47.760 this done on Tuesday. 792 00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:49.179 Right. 793 00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:53.199 And then that would be my dream world, because then 794 00:50:53.409 --> 00:50:57.349 it almost definitely will go through. And then we just 795 00:50:57.369 --> 00:50:58.789 have to do a little bit of extra work on 796 00:50:58.849 --> 00:51:02.840 President Trump. But this is hugely bipartisan. Ted Cruz champions it, 797 00:51:03.389 --> 00:51:10.599 and John Ossoff championed it in the Senate. Bonnie Watson Coleman, 798 00:51:11.099 --> 00:51:14.260 Brian Fitzpatrick, and Mike Lawler championed it in the House. 799 00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:19.369 That's the whole range of the— of the continuum of 800 00:51:19.590 --> 00:51:21.530 political ideology all in one bill. 801 00:51:21.670 --> 00:51:24.889 I was just going to say, Ossoff is literally, you know, 802 00:51:24.949 --> 00:51:30.239 the Democrats' Democrat from Georgia, while Ted Cruz is, you know, 803 00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:35.039 the Trump Republican who, you know, didn't even mind all 804 00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:37.739 the things that went on there during the, you know, 805 00:51:37.820 --> 00:51:42.610 the primaries, has been a staunch supporter of Republican everything 806 00:51:42.619 --> 00:51:46.960 and Trump everything. And, you know, Ossoff definitely not in 807 00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:50.869 that camp. If you got these guys agreeing. Um, that's 808 00:51:51.050 --> 00:51:59.559 quite a diverse, uh, rainbow, uh, you know, range of individuals. Okay. 809 00:51:59.940 --> 00:52:02.920 Just saying you just take those two good enough to 810 00:52:02.980 --> 00:52:06.300 explain to you that that should cover just about everything 811 00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:09.630 politically outside of the, you know, the wide eyed, uh, 812 00:52:09.789 --> 00:52:12.710 one-off crazy independent you might get here or there that 813 00:52:12.769 --> 00:52:16.389 covers the majority of our, uh, political paradigm right there. 814 00:52:17.500 --> 00:52:20.400 Yeah, and it passed unanimous consent in the Senate, which 815 00:52:20.460 --> 00:52:24.239 not a single senator objected to it. And it went 816 00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:26.920 36 to 4 in the House committee. We're just looking 817 00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:32.199 for the same unanimity in the House in letting them 818 00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:34.530 suspend the rules that we got in the Senate. And 819 00:52:34.550 --> 00:52:36.090 then it goes to the president right away. 820 00:52:36.269 -->

00:52:39.269 You see, now, has anybody thought of going the other 821 00:52:39.309 --> 00:52:41.389 direction here? Because this just occurred to me while you 822 00:52:41.409 --> 00:52:45.429 were speaking. You know, because Trump has no problem if 823 00:52:45.489 --> 00:52:51.380 somebody says, you know, basically, sir, this would further. Your 824 00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:56.929 executive order, this right here alone, would actually empower your 825 00:52:56.989 --> 00:53:01.610 executive order even further about transparency and revealing, you know, 826 00:53:01.670 --> 00:53:06.469 the other cases as well as other historical controversies that, 827 00:53:07.070 --> 00:53:09.280 you know, you could name a number of how many 828 00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:14.000 families are affected or involved here, how many different states, whatever. 829 00:53:14.699 --> 00:53:18.090 This affects a lot of people. And this is, you know, 830 00:53:18.130 --> 00:53:25.429 maybe not as top shelf in the public consciousness as JFK, MLK, RFK. 831 00:53:25.510 --> 00:53:30.889 But this is right there. And this furthers the spirit 832 00:53:30.929 --> 00:53:34.469 of your agenda and bolsters it all and could add 833 00:53:34.510 --> 00:53:37.340 to your legacy. If somebody just explains that to Trump 834 00:53:37.550 --> 00:53:42.900 in 20 seconds, he might actually go and also tell 835 00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:46.780 the representatives, OK, OK. I want this done. 836 00:53:47.619 --> 00:53:52.500 So before I try to, so, so I tried to 837 00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:54.840 do what we did at the end of what we 838 00:53:54.860 --> 00:53:58.429 did in 20 of the, of the first law, which 839 00:53:58.489 --> 00:54:04.610 is I tried to contact Christopher Ruddy who helped us. 840 00:54:04.949 --> 00:54:08.570 Jim Jordan's office helped us. They were the ones who 841 00:54:08.590 --> 00:54:10.320 helped us get president Trump to sign it. It's a 842 00:54:10.340 --> 00:54:13.320 crazy story. There was a lot involved there. That's kind 843 00:54:13.340 --> 00:54:17.219 of funny, but in any event, But I'm not having 844 00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:19.800 nearly the success I had in January of 2019. And 845 00:54:19.909 --> 00:54:23.349 it took a while in January 2019, but I did 846 00:54:23.369 --> 00:54:26.570 not have that success because I did think of that. Unfortunately, 847 00:54:26.650 --> 00:54:28.630 it doesn't seem to be working. So I think we 848 00:54:28.670 --> 00:54:31.630 have to go the conventional route and try and go 849 00:54:31.670 --> 00:54:36.460 bottoms up. and get to the leaders. 850 00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:39.280 That's fine. I just thought it was a fair question. 851 00:54:39.300 --> 00:54:41.940 No, it's a great idea. Trust me, I thought of it. Unfortunately, 852 00:54:41.980 --> 00:54:45.920 I had no success. It's actually a very smart idea. 853 00:54:46.590 --> 00:54:49.090 There is no reason not to double cover here either, 854 00:54:49.289 --> 00:54:53.570 because if the president is behind it and starts discussing 855 00:54:53.630 --> 00:54:58.449 it or brings it up in public, that automatically, especially 856 00:54:58.510 --> 00:55:04.130 this president, automatically means it's going to get attention. That's 857 00:55:04.150 --> 00:55:04.860 a guarantee. 858 00:55:04.929 --> 00:55:11.400 If he called Scalise and Johnson tomorrow, it would be 859 00:55:11.460 --> 00:55:14.719 over and done with. They would absolutely put it on 860 00:55:14.739 --> 00:55:19.239 the agenda. It would get through. I just, you know, again, 861 00:55:19.500 --> 00:55:21.980 I have not had success getting to him this time around, 862 00:55:22.099 --> 00:55:26.070 but I am having some success with the mobilization effort, 863 00:55:26.090 --> 00:55:28.590 but would love more people to become involved. 864 00:55:28.710 --> 00:55:28.989 Oh, yeah. 865 00:55:29.030 --> 00:55:31.489 But if you got Trump to even utter something about 866 00:55:31.530 --> 00:55:36.780 this committee, you know, in passing to a journalist, a 867 00:55:36.860 --> 00:55:40.480 million podcasters would begin saying, To dig into it, find 868 00:55:40.539 --> 00:55:42.760 out what it was. I'm serious. Overnight, that would probably. 869 00:55:42.780 --> 00:55:43.179 No, no, no. 870 00:55:43.219 --> 00:55:43.539 I know. 871 00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:43.940 I know. 872 00:55:44.019 --> 00:55:44.260 I know. 873 00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:44.500 I know. 874 00:55:44.539 --> 00:55:44.800 I know. 875 00:55:44.820 --> 00:55:47.420 The only issue, again, as we as I try to 876 00:55:47.460 --> 00:55:50.000 say so far has not succeeded. 877 00:55:50.460 --> 00:55:52.539 No, fair enough. I'm just trying to point out it 878 00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:55.280 is a good idea. It just it doesn't. 879 00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:56.159 It's a great idea. 880 00:55:56.320 --> 00:55:56.920 Yeah. 881 00:55:56.960 --> 00:55:59.260 But, you know, I thought of it just didn't work. 882 00:56:00.260 --> 00:56:03.039 Cause even like I said, great minds think alike. 883 00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:05.039 Yeah. I mean, but, but even if he mentioned it, 884 00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:06.900 I mean, imagine that for a moment, the news media 885 00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:08.699 would have to go figure out what the hell it was. 886 00:56:09.019 --> 00:56:09.480 Oh yeah. 887 00:56:09.739 --> 00:56:12.179 Again, it would, it was, it was the Holy grail. 888 00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:14.489 It just didn't work for it. It worked for us, 889 00:56:14.829 --> 00:56:17.869 you know, obviously getting to him to sign it was 890 00:56:17.909 --> 00:56:22.630 a crazy story. It was very, very last minute and 891 00:56:22.769 --> 00:56:25.809 we really had to do some crazy things to try 892 00:56:25.849 --> 00:56:29.469 and get his attention. Um, but it ultimately worked. 893 00:56:29.489 --> 00:56:33.760 So, Well, yeah, no problem. But it would be, listen, 894 00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:36.900 whatever effort you made and

whether you failed or not, 895 00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:39.980 that might more specifically speak to the moment in which 896 00:56:40.019 --> 00:56:43.380 you tried it than, you know, the validity of the idea. 897 00:56:43.820 --> 00:56:47.599 But I've taken almost an hour of your time already, Stu. And, 898 00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:50.280 you know, I want to sort of tie a bow 899 00:56:50.420 --> 00:56:54.920 on this. And again, the link, OK, to the website. 900 00:56:54.940 --> 00:56:57.420 And I have it in front of me just and 901 00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:00.260 also I've now published what they call an article on 902 00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:05.179 X regarding this, giving people the link and a quick description, 903 00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:10.340 which I directly lifted from the website and just put 904 00:57:10.380 --> 00:57:12.500 it out as an article on X. I just tweeted 905 00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:15.920 that out. whatever you call it, X post, all right, whatever. 906 00:57:17.300 --> 00:57:20.940 You know, the Civil Rights Cold Case Records, that is 907 00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:24.599 at the top of the website. And of course, Civil 908 00:57:24.780 --> 00:57:29.510 Rights Cold Case Records, okay, is what you'll see to 909 00:57:29.570 --> 00:57:33.409 click on. And, you know, you see it here, your 910 00:57:33.449 --> 00:57:37.309 representative can help finish the work. Okay, the Civil Rights 911 00:57:37.349 --> 00:57:43.530 Cold Case Records Review Board releases long-withheld federal records concerning 912 00:57:43.789 --> 00:57:46.949 decades-old civil rights murders. You already know this if you 913 00:57:46.969 --> 00:57:52.690 were listening. Its authority runs out in January. Therefore, S-1510 914 00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:58.739 would extend. It is so the board can complete its mission. Now, 915 00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:02.860 that's the first paragraph on the landing page, okay? I 916 00:58:02.900 --> 00:58:05.300 assume that's the— yeah, it is the homepage. I'm just looking. 917 00:58:05.949 --> 00:58:09.380 It is the homepage and everything is interactive. And all 918 00:58:09.389 --> 00:58:11.880 you got to do to start is to click create 919 00:58:11.940 --> 00:58:16.719 my email to my representative. So it is that simple. 920 00:58:17.099 --> 00:58:21.070 It's just probably, I don't know, 20 seconds more effort 921 00:58:21.110 --> 00:58:24.369 than signing a petition to get it done. Also, at 922 00:58:24.389 --> 00:58:26.250 the top of the website, there's a big red button 923 00:58:26.269 --> 00:58:27.449 that says create my email. 924 00:58:29.349 --> 00:58:30.130 We put it everywhere. 925 00:58:30.670 --> 00:58:35.900 Hey, look, you covered both ends. Just saying. Okay. And 926 00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:39.039 this thing is also broken down in posts here. You know, one, 927 00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:43.639 the board, two, the cases, three, student made law, four, S. 928 00:58:43.590 --> 00:58:43.639 1510. 929 00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:49.420 Okay. And all of those sections here on the website, 930 00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:53.599 easily consumable. And the majority of it, you've actually heard 931 00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:57.619 Stu Wexler just explain now. So not only an author, 932 00:58:57.739 --> 00:59:04.349 but an activist regarding the historical record and indeed justice 933 00:59:04.590 --> 00:59:08.070 and the civil rights cold cases themselves, not alone. As 934 00:59:08.110 --> 00:59:10.570 he said, his students had worked with him on this. 935 00:59:11.030 --> 00:59:14.880 He's worked with others, you know, for a long time. 936 00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:18.199 For a long time. When did you actually start to 937 00:59:18.260 --> 00:59:22.380 work on what it is we see now? Just out 938 00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:25.880 of curiosity, when did that work begin for you exactly? 939 00:59:26.820 --> 00:59:29.719 So we started on this law in my classes in 2015. 940 00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:36.909 And there are students now who are 28 years old 941 00:59:36.949 --> 00:59:38.730 who still do stuff for it when they can. 942 00:59:38.750 --> 00:59:39.469 Yeah. 943 00:59:41.130 --> 00:59:45.150 That's what's amazing about it. We took us even after 944 00:59:45.190 --> 00:59:48.090 the law passed. We lobbied for an appropriation. We lobbied 945 00:59:48.170 --> 00:59:52.739 for a support bill. We wrote a Supreme Court friend 946 00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:55.719 of the court brief. So it was like my class 947 00:59:55.760 --> 00:59:56.519 for eight years. 948 00:59:56.920 --> 01:00:00.860 Yeah. And in 2014 and 15, if anybody goes back 949 01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:04.820 in my archive and listens to when Stu appeared, of course, 950 01:00:04.860 --> 01:00:06.840 I was talking to him about the book, The Awful 951 01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:10.289 Grace of God at first. Uh, and, uh, also interviewed 952 01:00:10.329 --> 01:00:14.150 Stu separately from Larry, but then with Larry, uh, back 953 01:00:14.230 --> 01:00:16.750 then when this show was still kind of new, cause 954 01:00:16.809 --> 01:00:19.469 I only started it in 2013. So I've been around 955 01:00:19.489 --> 01:00:23.300 doing this for 13 years. Um, the point is it 956 01:00:23.340 --> 01:00:26.599 was being brought up then because it was happening then. Uh, 957 01:00:26.780 --> 01:00:28.840 but we didn't go into it because I was busy 958 01:00:28.940 --> 01:00:32.219 on the books and I was busy on MLK. Uh, 959 01:00:32.500 --> 01:00:37.730 and you know, As Stu said, the actual, you know, 960 01:00:37.909 --> 01:00:42.610 agency not really animated until 2019, I believe you said, right? 961 01:00:43.460 --> 01:00:46.739 Well, it didn't get signed. It wasn't animated until 2024. 962 01:00:46.739 --> 01:00:48.780 Oh, excuse me. It was signed in 2019, but animated 963 01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:49.239 in 2024. 964 01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:53.179 So it's literally been operating in a functional way for 965 01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:57.150 two years, and yet it's

about to go out of. 966 01:00:58.070 --> 01:01:00.869 operations unless we save it right now two years asking 967 01:01:00.909 --> 01:01:03.010 everybody to help and that is and i thank you 968 01:01:03.050 --> 01:01:04.389 so much for letting me help. 969 01:01:04.349 --> 01:01:07.030 No absolutely for your help two years just to be 970 01:01:07.070 --> 01:01:09.519 clear here two years how many cases are we talking 971 01:01:09.579 --> 01:01:11.139 about are encompassed by this. 972 01:01:11.739 --> 01:01:15.460 So they've already released 63 but my guess is i 973 01:01:15.500 --> 01:01:17.820 mean it's not a fixed number per se that they 974 01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:21.619 that i think they they know exactly but it's probably 975 01:01:21.659 --> 01:01:23.780 a few hundred cases right. 976 01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:29.289 And only two years to work on even the 63 Correct. 977 01:01:29.369 --> 01:01:31.650 And, you know, quite a lot of the initial ones 978 01:01:31.730 --> 01:01:35.809 are stuff where, you know, it's not a big fight 979 01:01:35.829 --> 01:01:38.469 to get the material out. There's still stuff where you 980 01:01:38.489 --> 01:01:40.909 need to get grand jury records out and that's going 981 01:01:40.929 --> 01:01:42.909 to take them longer to fight that fight. 982 01:01:43.190 --> 01:01:43.929 So, right. 983 01:01:45.969 --> 01:01:48.469 Whatever time we could add, you know, seven years or 984 01:01:48.489 --> 01:01:52.949 whatever is being added by S-1510, that would be amazing. 985 01:01:53.900 --> 01:01:54.099 Right. 986 01:01:54.380 --> 01:01:56.199 And for those people that believe, you know, the government 987 01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:58.019 does waste a lot of money, I agree with you, 988 01:01:58.079 --> 01:02:02.650 first of all. But secondly, this is not a high expenditure. 989 01:02:03.599 --> 01:02:08.699 activity here. This is not something that is anywhere near 990 01:02:09.340 --> 01:02:14.750 an expensive agency, temporary or otherwise, in the federal government. 991 01:02:14.809 --> 01:02:17.489 But also, by the way, it is a temporary agency, 992 01:02:17.550 --> 01:02:21.389 so it has a finite existence. You're not trying to 993 01:02:21.429 --> 01:02:24.590 give consent to something that'll be there forever, serve no purpose, 994 01:02:24.659 --> 01:02:26.980 and just write out paychecks for people who do nothing, 995 01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:32.099 as many government agencies become at a certain point. or 996 01:02:32.139 --> 01:02:37.130 many bureaucracies within the government agencies also generate, you know, 997 01:02:37.510 --> 01:02:41.590 circumstances like that. Obviously, this is not the case here. 998 01:02:41.710 --> 01:02:43.429 So I just want to, you know, tell people this year, 999 01:02:43.670 --> 01:02:46.190 we're not talking about something that's going to cost a lot. 1000 01:02:46.630 --> 01:02:51.599 We're not talking about something that is frivolous. We're not 1001 01:02:51.659 --> 01:02:55.460

talking about something that couldn't accomplish a great many things, 1002 01:02:55.619 --> 01:02:59.599 even if you're just talking about giving peace of mind 1003 01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:04.619 to families who have been affected for 60 years, 70 years. 1004 01:03:05.769 --> 01:03:08.969 You know, there are cases from the 1950s that are 1005 01:03:09.010 --> 01:03:13.429 definitely part of this. There are cases from the 1960s. 1006 01:03:13.849 --> 01:03:17.190 I'm guessing here there are cases from the 70s as 1007 01:03:17.250 --> 01:03:20.550 well that are also part of this. But the majority 1008 01:03:20.570 --> 01:03:22.190 of them would probably be in the decade of the 1009 01:03:22.489 --> 01:03:27.369 50s and the 60s. And, you know, How long should 1010 01:03:27.469 --> 01:03:31.739 justice be delayed is the ultimate question. It's not a 1011 01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:34.880 high cost thing. And we're not asking you to contribute 1012 01:03:34.900 --> 01:03:38.340 to anything. Just you're on the Internet because otherwise you 1013 01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:41.400 couldn't hear this show now. So you're on the Internet. 1014 01:03:41.539 --> 01:03:45.079 You can use a browser and go to the clickable link, 1015 01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:47.360 which will be in the show notes is, you know, 1016 01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:50.900 on my chat room. I did put out on Twitter. 1017 01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:54.710 I will put out on Facebook later. et cetera, et cetera. 1018 01:03:54.730 --> 01:03:57.889 I'll put out on my social media and the big 1019 01:03:57.929 --> 01:04:01.059 red button, create my email. It'll do most of the 1020 01:04:01.099 --> 01:04:04.179 work for you. And it won't be just a petition. 1021 01:04:04.460 --> 01:04:10.900 As Stu said, it'll specifically address the appropriate representative based 1022 01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:16.190 on who you are and where you are more appropriately. Okay. 1023 01:04:16.570 --> 01:04:19.929 So you can show who you are by allowing this 1024 01:04:19.989 --> 01:04:24.579 thing to help you give a nudge to the establishment 1025 01:04:24.619 --> 01:04:29.570 to tell them that the record is in need of 1026 01:04:29.989 --> 01:04:34.469 revision and revelation. So that is the way I would 1027 01:04:34.510 --> 01:04:36.590 put it, Stu. Anything you'd like to say here as 1028 01:04:36.630 --> 01:04:39.750 we close out? I again, thank you for taking the time. Look, 1029 01:04:39.829 --> 01:04:41.489 in the very near future, I'd love to talk to 1030 01:04:41.510 --> 01:04:43.789 you about some of these other things. Like I'm now 1031 01:04:43.849 --> 01:04:46.610 intrigued by what the story is about what you had 1032 01:04:46.659 --> 01:04:48.500 to do to get Trump to sign the bill in 1033 01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:52.639 the first place. I would love to hear that story. Um, 1034 01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:58.360 I'm thinking you're not a natural Trump supporter either. Uh, 1035 01:04:59.619 --> 01:05:03.909 you know, I mean,

it's my guess. Um, you know, Stu, uh, 1036 01:05:03.929 --> 01:05:05.269 I don't want to speak for you, you. 1037 01:05:05.219 --> 01:05:06.860 Know, probably a pretty good guess. 1038 01:05:06.989 --> 01:05:07.469 Okay. 1039 01:05:07.510 --> 01:05:09.949 But, uh, you know, but we were willing to work 1040 01:05:09.969 --> 01:05:12.170 on both sides. It's a, that's a great story. There's 1041 01:05:12.190 --> 01:05:14.630 like 10 great stories as to what happened when these 1042 01:05:14.690 --> 01:05:15.489 kids worked on this. 1043 01:05:15.710 --> 01:05:15.929 Right. 1044 01:05:16.369 --> 01:05:18.130 Um, and the things that we like had to figure 1045 01:05:18.230 --> 01:05:21.269 out how to work around and get through, um, I 1046 01:05:21.349 --> 01:05:24.030 am going to write a book soon on it. I 1047 01:05:24.070 --> 01:05:26.070 just don't want to write it until we're finished. And 1048 01:05:26.090 --> 01:05:28.059 this is really probably what will finish it. 1049 01:05:28.510 --> 01:05:28.760 Right. 1050 01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:31.860 If we can get it extended. Then I'm done with 1051 01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:33.360 the story and I can write the story. 1052 01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:33.820 Right. 1053 01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:37.139 And if not, sadly, you can write the story, too. 1054 01:05:37.260 --> 01:05:38.239 But it might. 1055 01:05:38.119 --> 01:05:40.519 Have a not as good ending. Hopefully it'll have a 1056 01:05:40.539 --> 01:05:40.940 happy end. 1057 01:05:41.159 --> 01:05:41.400 Right. 1058 01:05:41.460 --> 01:05:45.059 It'll have a slightly less happy ending where, you know, 1059 01:05:45.260 --> 01:05:48.869 we fought the good fight. But here's what happened. And 1060 01:05:49.010 --> 01:05:51.690 you again, the listener, you hearing the sound of my 1061 01:05:51.750 --> 01:05:55.389 voice out there, not Stu, but everybody else. you can 1062 01:05:55.429 --> 01:05:57.789 become part of it just by going clicking that button 1063 01:05:57.829 --> 01:06:01.280 and following some directions over at the website link is 1064 01:06:01.340 --> 01:06:03.920 provided in the show notes it's on my site it's 1065 01:06:04.059 --> 01:06:06.119 on my twitter if you're x whatever you want to 1066 01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:08.260 call it if you follow me there and i'll put 1067 01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:11.039 it out in other places and uh we'll see if 1068 01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:13.860 we can sneak this onto youtube somehow and maybe rumble 1069 01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:18.079 and uh the video platforms in audio form uh that'll 1070 01:06:18.099 --> 01:06:20.590 take a little more doing but uh let me get 1071 01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:24.309 out the audio podcast tonight And to do so, yeah, 1072 01:06:24.369 --> 01:06:26.090 I'm going to ask you, Stu, how you want to 1073 01:06:26.130 --> 01:06:28.489 close this out. I give you the floor and that'll 1074 01:06:28.530 --> 01:06:30.590 be that. We'll just close it out in the audio 1075 01:06:30.610 --> 01:06:33.409 form and I'll work as quickly as I can to 1076 01:06:33.449 --> 01:06:34.150 get it out tonight. 1077 01:06:35.289 --> 01:06:38.159 Thank you, Chuck. Thank you, everybody who signs. And please 1078 01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:40.320 also share it to everybody else and tell them to 1079 01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:42.159 share it. Let's make this go viral. 1080 01:06:43.539 --> 01:06:46.300 Very important, because you know what? With a handful of people, 1081 01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:48.360 believe it or not, you might be able to get 1082 01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:52.349 some action here. You know, your particular handful of people 1083 01:06:52.949 --> 01:06:56.050 are significant here. This is not necessarily a drop in 1084 01:06:56.070 --> 01:06:57.849 the bucket thing. There is a bit of a force 1085 01:06:57.909 --> 01:07:02.780 multiplier here that can be ignited, if you will. You 1086 01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:07.460 can give ignition to the high speed chemistry that this 1087 01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:14.380 could become and progress could be made regarding, you know, again, 1088 01:07:14.599 --> 01:07:18.809 the murky history of. Of this circumstance, which again, you know, 1089 01:07:18.849 --> 01:07:20.920 there's a lot of things here. We could go into 1090 01:07:20.940 --> 01:07:23.360 the politics of it, but the politics of then are 1091 01:07:23.420 --> 01:07:27.159 not the politics of now. And when is it ever 1092 01:07:27.199 --> 01:07:30.699 a bad time for the truth? I can't think of 1093 01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:31.550 it myself. 1094 01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:32.300 You know, there might be. 1095 01:07:58.449 --> 01:08:02.969 We'll be right. 1096 01:08:11.269 --> 01:08:11.769 Back. 1097 01:08:29.989 --> 01:08:42.329 Ocelli.com WallStreetWindow.com WallStreetWindow.com Michael Swanson, the brilliant author of The 1098 01:08:42.390 --> 01:08:44.829 War State, gives you the benefit of his knowledge. 1099 01:08:45.970 --> 01:08:53.270 WallStreetWindow.com Go there now. Go there now. Go there now. 1100 01:08:53.300 --> 01:08:54.199 Ocelli.com. 1101 01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:57.520 The most underrated voice in all of our media. 1102 01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:08.779 Chuck Ocelli. The voice they like to jam. of the 1103 01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:11.520 never united man, they'd stay the madder, read a red 1104 01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:12.560 or orange margarita. 1105 01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:14.579 One nation beneath. 1106 01:09:13.939 --> 01:09:17.000 The anti-gods, and anything they would deem worthy of bragging, 1107 01:09:17.020 --> 01:09:21.069 completely divided and split, into algorithms atomized, without the liberty 1108 01:09:21.090 --> 01:09:21.789 to speak freely. 1109 01:09:21.909 --> 01:09:24.649 And justice for only the elite that can afford to rent, 1110 01:09:24.710 --> 01:09:25.569 but not own. 1111 01:09:25.470 --> 01:09:28.670 Justice for the seat of the transhumanist jack bro, space 1112 01:09:28.810 --> 01:09:29.470 axe rocket. 1113

01:09:29.270 --> 01:09:31.930 To hell, there's an opportunity to be slaughtered by the 1114 01:09:31.989 --> 01:09:32.569 systems that. 1115 01:09:32.510 --> 01:09:34.460 Feed, it's for the rest of us all! 1116 01:09:36.819 --> 01:09:38.800 Right to life, country, we just might make. 1117 01:09:38.739 --> 01:09:41.979 It so The death penalty will be the punishment for 1118 01:09:42.180 --> 01:09:43.640 daring To burn. 1119 01:09:43.220 --> 01:09:46.380 The flag of war and A truth. 1120 01:09:46.220 --> 01:09:48.939 Already ablaze, we'll make some orange seasons It's the third 1121 01:09:49.020 --> 01:09:52.359 term because that is God's choice for ages Orange in the. 1122 01:09:52.140 --> 01:09:53.659 New world, butter or taco. 1123 01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:56.979 Crazy promise, guy, dance, marketer And Jesus, well, as we 1124 01:09:57.050 --> 01:10:01.489 save ourselves From communism and fascism, when evil we go fascism. 1125 01:10:01.010 --> 01:10:01.649 In Cleopatra. 1126 01:10:03.340 --> 01:10:06.720 Bible Pod 3 where the Antichrist is a transgender whore 1127 01:10:06.779 --> 01:10:07.800 And Babylon. 1128 01:10:07.359 --> 01:10:10.779 Has franchises that merely include a Trump Tower And McDonald's 1129 01:10:10.859 --> 01:10:14.100 in every new city on the present for profit planet. 1130 01:10:17.310 --> 01:10:19.069 The Needs of God. 1131 01:10:22.909 --> 01:10:27.970 The Needs of God An atheist does what an atheist 1132 01:10:28.210 --> 01:10:31.359 can afford to read would not own justice with a 1133 01:10:31.460 --> 01:10:33.470 seat on the transhumanist tech, bro. 1134 01:10:33.810 --> 01:10:38.130 Space X rocket to hell. It's the opportunity to wreck butt. 1135 01:10:52.739 --> 01:10:55.210 Don't forget that though, we are a rising. 1136 01:10:54.970 --> 01:10:57.529 Light country, we just might make it so. 1137 01:10:57.550 --> 01:11:02.329 Death penalty will be the punishment for death. 1138 01:11:12.810 --> 01:11:14.750 The views expressed by caller schools or anyone else who 1139 01:11:14.789 --> 01:11:16.529 happens to get on the air at Ocelli.com do not 1140 01:11:16.550 --> 01:11:19.829 necessarily reflect the views of Ocelli.com or Chuck Ocelli, and 1141 01:11:19.850 --> 01:11:22.130 we are not responsible for any stupidity which might ensue. 1142 01:11:22.250 --> 01:11:22.529 Thank you. 1143 01:11:22.649 --> 01:11:27.890 The Ocelli.com radio network. The War State by Michael Swanson 1144 01:11:27.970 --> 01:11:30.989 explains the great national transformation that took place and put 1145 01:11:31.029 --> 01:11:33.989 the Kennedy presidency in the context of the times and 1146 01:11:34.050 --> 01:11:37.760 reveals never before published information about the Cuban Missile Crisis. 1147 01:11:38.149 --> 01:11:40.880 President Kennedy would not have been assassinated if he had 1148 01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:44.779 been president 200 years ago. His assassination took place in 1149 01:11:44.819 --> 01:11:47.180 the context of the Cold

War and the rise of 1150 01:11:47.220 --> 01:11:50.479 the national security state. Before World War II, the United 1151 01:11:50.539 --> 01:11:53.659 States was a continental republic. In the decade that followed, 1152 01:11:53.770 --> 01:11:57.489 it became an imperial superpower. Generals such as Curtis LeMay 1153 01:11:57.569 --> 01:12:00.350 not only wanted to invade Cuba, but knew that there 1154 01:12:00.369 --> 01:12:03.510 were short-range missiles on the island armed with nuclear warheads 1155 01:12:03.770 --> 01:12:06.560 that they could not destroy because they were on mobile launchers. 1156 01:12:06.770 --> 01:12:09.460 Their invasion could have led to a third world war, 1157 01:12:09.920 --> 01:12:12.800 and they wanted to go to war anyway. The War 1158 01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:16.159 State by Michael Swanson reveals why and will show you 1159 01:12:16.199 --> 01:12:20.920 what President Kennedy was up against. For more information, thewarstate.com. 1160 01:12:21.420 --> 01:12:27.119 In Denial, Secret Wars with Airstrikes and Tanks by Larry Hancock. 1161 01:12:27.979 --> 01:12:31.539 Secret Wars became a staple of U.S. covert operations and 1162 01:12:31.579 --> 01:12:35.689 are still happening today. Larry Hancock's book, In Denial, rips 1163 01:12:35.750 --> 01:12:38.630 the cover off many of them. Using new files, it 1164 01:12:38.670 --> 01:12:41.210 exposes things about the Bay of Pigs that no one 1165 01:12:41.250 --> 01:12:42.770 has ever written about before. 1166 01:12:43.149 --> 01:12:45.010 It shows why it really failed. 1167 01:12:44.729 --> 01:12:46.739 And why the United States did not. 1168 01:12:46.699 --> 01:12:49.720 Learn from it. It also shows why other countries today 1169 01:12:49.819 --> 01:12:53.399 are doing secret operations with more success. This is the 1170 01:12:53.439 --> 01:12:57.210 book that puts what some want to deny into the light. 1171 01:12:57.609 --> 01:13:02.680 In denial, secret wars with airstrikes and tanks. Larry Hancock. 1172 01:13:03.869 --> 01:13:08.590 For more information, go to Larry-Hancock.com. Pick up your copy 1173 01:13:08.649 --> 01:13:12.689 of In Denial at Amazon.com in digital or physical form. 1174 01:13:12.729 --> 01:13:15.409 What are the dynamics of a crowd? How do you 1175 01:13:15.449 --> 01:13:17.489 move a mob? How do you excite? How do you 1176 01:13:17.529 --> 01:13:20.729 make them feel as one with you? I don't know how. 1177 01:13:20.850 --> 01:13:22.590 Join them first. Join them? 1178 01:13:22.930 --> 01:13:23.250 Yes. 1179 01:13:23.770 --> 01:13:25.850 When you speak to them, speak to them as if 1180 01:13:25.890 --> 01:13:28.090 you were a member of the mob. Speak to them 1181 01:13:28.590 --> 01:13:33.310 in their language, on their level. Make their hate your hate. 1182 01:13:33.399 --> 01:13:36.340 If they are poor, talk to them of poverty. If 1183 01:13:36.359 --> 01:13:39.079 they are afraid, talk to them of their fears. If 1184 01:13:39.100 --> 01:13:42.460 they are angry, give them objects for their anger. But 1185 01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:45.239 most of all... The thing that is most of the 1186 01:13:45.300 --> 01:13:48.880 essence is that you make this mob an extension of yourself. 1187 01:13:48.899 --> 01:13:52.359 What are the dynamics of a crowd? How do you 1188 01:13:52.420 --> 01:13:54.340 move a mob? How do you excite them? How do 1189 01:13:54.359 --> 01:14:00.279 you make them feel as one with you? Join them first. Yes, 1190 01:14:00.779 --> 01:14:02.850 when you speak to them, speak to them as if 1191 01:14:02.890 --> 01:14:05.329 you were a member of the mob. Speak to them 1192 01:14:05.590 --> 01:14:10.270 in their language, on their level. Make their hate your hate. 1193 01:14:10.369 --> 01:14:13.310 If they are poor, talk to them of poverty. If 1194 01:14:13.350 --> 01:14:16.029 they are afraid, talk to them of their fears. If 1195 01:14:16.050 --> 01:14:19.449 they are angry, give them objects for their anger. But 1196 01:14:19.529 --> 01:14:22.819 most of all, the thing that is most obvious is 1197 01:14:22.859 --> 01:14:26.220 that you make this mob an extension of yourself. 1198 01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:31.460 What are the. 1199 01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:33.539 Dynamics of a crowd? 1200 01:14:33.579 --> 01:14:34.770 How do you move a mob? 1201 01:14:34.779 --> 01:14:36.890 How do you excite? How do you make them feel 1202 01:14:36.909 --> 01:14:40.470 as one with you? Join them first. 1203 01:14:40.729 --> 01:14:41.170 Join them. 1204 01:14:41.489 --> 01:14:44.289 Yes, when you speak to them, speak to them as 1205 01:14:44.329 --> 01:14:46.439 if you were a member of the mob. Speak to 1206 01:14:46.479 --> 01:14:50.500 them in their language, on their level. Make their hate 1207 01:14:50.819 --> 01:14:53.760 your hate. Talk to them of poverty. Talk to them 1208 01:14:53.819 --> 01:14:57.000 of their fears. Give them objects for their anger. Make 1209 01:14:57.060 --> 01:14:59.319 this mob an extension of yourself. 1210 01:15:00.359 --> 01:15:03.369 Revelation through conversation. 1211 01:15:02.489 --> 01:15:05.609 Do you like history real history that you were never 1212 01:15:05.710 --> 01:15:10.170 taught in schools why the vietnam war nuclear bombs and 1213 01:15:10.289 --> 01:15:14.439 nation building in southeast asia by author mike swanson with 1214 01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:18.899 new documentation never seen before that'll open your eyes to 1215 01:15:18.979 --> 01:15:22.420 events that led up to this why The Vietnam War, 1216 01:15:22.680 --> 01:15:29.899 Nuclear Bombs and Nation Building in Southeast Asia, 1945-1961. Get 1217 01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:33.279 your copy today at Amazon.com. 1218 01:15:33.600 --> 01:15:33.930 Why? 1219 01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:36.689 The Vietnam War by author Mike Swanson. 1220 01:15:36.930 --> 01:15:39.869 I want them to appreciate the incredible job we're doing. 1221 01:15:40.090 --> 01:15:41.850 We are doing a job the likes of which has 1222 01:15:41.930 --> 01:15:42.800 never been done before. 1223 01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:45.960 You're going to have mental depression for people. You're going 1224 01:15:45.979 --> 01:15:48.779 to have large numbers of suicides. Take a look at 1225 01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:51.869 what happens in a really horrible recession or worse. So 1226 01:15:51.909 --> 01:15:54.250 you're going to have tremendous suicide, but you know what 1227 01:15:54.289 --> 01:15:55.689 you're going to have more than anything else? 1228 01:15:56.010 --> 01:15:56.609 Drug addiction. 1229 01:15:57.109 --> 01:15:59.470 You will see drugs being used like nobody's ever used 1230 01:15:59.489 --> 01:16:01.630 them before. And people are going to be dying all 1231 01:16:01.689 --> 01:16:02.789 over the place. 1232 01:16:02.810 --> 01:16:06.270 From drug addiction. I want them to appreciate the incredible 1233 01:16:06.310 --> 01:16:06.850 job we're doing. 1234 01:16:07.029 --> 01:16:08.810 We are doing a job the likes of which has 1235 01:16:08.869 --> 01:16:09.869 never been done before. 1236 01:16:10.189 --> 01:16:13.029 I want them to appreciate the incredible job we're doing. 1237 01:16:13.329 --> 01:16:15.300 We are doing a job the likes of which has 1238 01:16:15.310 --> 01:16:16.270 never been done before. 1239 01:16:16.449 --> 01:16:18.840 You're going to have mental depression for people. You're going 1240 01:16:18.859 --> 01:16:21.819 to have large numbers of suicides. Take a look at 1241 01:16:21.939 --> 01:16:24.880 what happens in a really horrible recession or worse. So 1242 01:16:24.920 --> 01:16:26.939 you're going to have tremendous suicides. 1243 01:16:26.979 --> 01:16:28.130 But you know what you're going to have more than 1244 01:16:28.189 --> 01:16:30.930 anything else? Drug addiction. You will see drugs. 1245 01:16:30.710 --> 01:16:33.310 Being used like nobody's ever used them before. And people 1246 01:16:33.329 --> 01:16:35.529 are going to be dying all over the place from 1247 01:16:35.590 --> 01:16:36.270 drug addiction. 1248 01:16:43.569 --> 01:16:46.800 Let's get out of town and tell them that once 1249 01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:47.810 again they've lost a million men. 1250 01:16:47.819 --> 01:16:48.569 Lord, I've missed a lot. 1251 01:17:10.899 --> 01:17:13.060 Like you've never seen before, it's what you're fighting for. 1252 01:17:13.060 --> 01:17:16.720 Falling for It's all this drunken, sexist beat, the streets alive. 1253 01:17:16.359 --> 01:17:20.960 With their heat beat Drinking laser light, just losing it, 1254 01:17:21.020 --> 01:17:21.399 so good 1255 01:17:21.430 --> 01:17:25.149 I've never been so free