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Welcome to the Motherhood Mentor Podcast.
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I'm Becca, a somatic healing practitioner and a holistic life coach for moms, and this podcast is for you.
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You can expect honest conversations and incredible guests that speak to health, healing, and growth in every area of our lives.
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This isn't just strategy for what we do, it's support for who we are.
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I believe we can be wildly ambitious while still holding all of our soft and hard humidity as baby.
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I love combining deep inner healing with strategic systems and no-nonsense talk about what this season is really like.
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So grab whatever weird health beverage you're currently into and let's get into it.
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Welcome to the Motherhood Mentor podcast.
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Today I'm going to be addressing a question that I've gotten a lot recently and a question that I actually recently answered at a speaking event, and I didn't love the way that I responded to it.
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And so I decided I wanted to do one at least one, maybe a couple episodes responding to this question that I got.
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So last week or I think, yeah, last week or two weeks ago, I was speaking at a Mops event, which is an open group that moms can go to to connect with each other.
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Actually, I think it's called Mom Co right now.
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But there's lots of local groups where moms can go and connect with each other, make new friends, meet people.
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There's usually childcare, there's usually a hot meal, and it's a really great place to make connections and community.
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It's a really awesome resource for moms.
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But I got to come to this group and speak.
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And I spoke on big-hearted boundaries.
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I'm very passionate about teaching moms about boundaries because I think this is a topic that is so confusing and hard for so many people because most of the women that I meet, the people and the places and relationships that they're struggling most with boundaries, aren't those black and white boundaries with really toxic or abusive people or systems.
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It's the people in their lives that are closest to them.
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They're they're struggling with fawning and people pleasing with their spouses, their partners, their kids, especially.
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They're in this transition of motherhood where they're starting to realize that they need to have boundaries with their kids and they don't know what that looks like, right?
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And one of the things that happens, one of the ways you can tell and feel that you need a boundary is that you're feeling resentful, you're feeling overwhelmed, overstimulated, you're having outbursts of anger because your body, your boundaries are coming out sideways because you're not taking care of them and you're not dealing with them yourself.
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And so you start to kind of put that on other people when you're not owning it.
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So the question I got several times at this event, and then I've had many times before, is setting boundaries with toddlers.
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And why this conversation is so important is when your baby, when your kids are babies, they are you and your baby are biologically hardwired for you to be overly attentive to what they need and want from you.
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They cannot survive unless you are willing to forego what you want and need to get that baby's needs met.
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All of their needs are met through you.
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It is their need for you to biologically respond to them.
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Now, there's this isn't like a, we're not actually going to talk about babies and that whole season.
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That's a whole different topic.
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But one of the things that happens for so many mothers is they start to transition into this toddlerhood season and they realize that it's a different kind of hard than the baby season.
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The baby season, you are so attuned to that baby.
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And then in the toddler season, there's kind of two things happening at the same time.
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One, you biologically and relationally are entering in a new season of motherhood where you start to resent.
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And I don't mean this in a negative way.
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I think it's actually healthy that you start to have this biological, relational role of you start realizing that it's no longer in your responsibility.
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It's no longer healthy parenting to respond to this baby's wants, needs, emotions in the same way that you did when they were a baby, right?
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A toddler having a fit about you cutting their crust off their sandwich is very different than a baby requiring you to feed them.
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That's that's very different.
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And so the role and relationship to your child is changing in the toddler season.
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But people don't talk about that in parenting.
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They give this overreaching parenting advice.
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And this is where I don't love the response that I gave at this event, actually, because the hard thing with speaking and teaching is that in the moment with the mom, I can't really coach her in the same way that I would if
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we were in one-on-one, or if we were in a group, or if we're in like a smaller scenario where I can ask her lots of questions.
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And so I'm gonna take this podcast to really slow down the process because in that moment, the response that I gave was very formulaic.
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It was very like, here's what to do.
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And I actually really hate giving moms that response.
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And so I had this feeling, I'm gonna use the word guilt.
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I had this like icky feeling of like, I actually don't like how I responded because that's actually not in alignment with my values and how I want to coach and how I want to support moms, because there's so many places where you can go to learn the formula of parenting, to learn what it is you can do.
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But I think this is one of the most problematic things for women and for mothers is that there are very few people who are teaching mothers how to know what to do on their how to feel in their own bodies, their own agency, their own values, their own relational goals with their child in the moment what you do might change.
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In one moment, something might feel really, really good as a response.
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And and the reasoning behind those responses is what actually matters.
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So my whole work in the world is teaching mothers how to make those decisions for themselves and how to feel that.
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So let's talk about toddler boundaries, having boundaries with your toddler.
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But as I'm saying toddler, this same foundational principle works for any age and any stage.
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And I'm actually finding this is very, very true for the tween and teen years because it feels it feels a little similar to those toddler stages.
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It's a whole new level and whole new set of rules, but the foundational principles really still apply.
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So coming back to there's two different things happening in this toddler season, which is that your babe you are starting to have this healthy disassociation from your child.
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And what I mean by that is for the most part, when when you have a baby, you are over-associating with that baby.
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Your mental, emotional, physiological energy is focused on what the baby needs and meeting those needs.
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And it's not always you who has to meet those needs.
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Hopefully, ideally, you have other people in your life who can also meet that baby's needs.
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But you as the mother, the baby needs you.
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And so it's your it you take it on usually as your job to make sure that baby's needs are getting met.
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And then, and then again, we're not going to focus so much on this postpartum period because it is this is one of those reasons why so many women like they say, I don't feel like myself anymore.
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It's because you literally can't feel yourself.
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It it's not, it's not a it's not a phrase, it's not a cute saying, it's not, it's not this ideological thought, like, I feel like I can't feel myself.
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It's like, no, you literally can't feel yourself somatically.
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You aren't in touch with your sensation and your lived experience of life because you are paying attention to what this other person needs.
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Your energy and your focus is going out towards this baby, and you've lost the sensory, emotional, energetic experience of how you are moving through life, what you need, what you want, what you like.
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And not every woman has this experience, but most do.
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A very good portion of people do, even if you are very healthy and there's a whole range and scale of how much women have this happen.
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But what happens in the toddler season is you start recognizing, you start naturally saying and feeling, what about me?
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Where am I in all of this?
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One, because you're in a different season.
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This baby, their needs aren't as urgent, they're not as intense, and they're not as biological, right?
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The things that they need from you stop being so much physical and they start being much more emotional, relational, and skill building.
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So they're no longer just looking to you to biologically meet their needs.
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Now they're looking to you for things like emotional regulation and problem solving and relational issues and how to be a healthy member of society.
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So it's a whole new level of hard.
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So that's happening in the mother and in the toddler because how many, how many women enter a season where all of a sudden their sweet little baby is saying no, is hitting them, is biting, is pushing all of these things that the baby starts to say, I am autonomous.
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I am not you.
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You are not me.
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And that baby, hopefully, ideally, is still attached.
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This toddler is still attached to you.
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They still have this relational safety, they still have this connection to you, but they also start to practice, find, and feel out where do I end and where do you begin?
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Where do I begin and where do I end?
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And
where do you end and where do you begin?
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What are my boundaries?
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What is it that I want and need?
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And how is that different from what you want, need, and expect from me?
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And this is terrifying for so many mothers because so many women, whether you ideologically agree with it or not, most of us were conditioned in a society to believe that it is our job as parents to have our kids comply.
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Now, this is not every woman's experience, but my experience was that I had a toddler who it didn't matter what I did, they would not comply.
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And I was trying to do this whole gentle parenting thing.
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It was so confusing for me when I had this toddler because I was split between this new whole idea of gentle attachment parenting.
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I really wanted to be this conscious mother who, like the old way of like spanking and punishing and making the child comply, it just didn't sit right with me.
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It wasn't just like a fear of being an authority.
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I wanted to be an authority.
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I wanted to create safety, but I also didn't want to crush her will.
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I had this desire of like, I want this child to grow up, knowing her strength, knowing her autonomy.
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I want her to grow up, having a voice and an opinion and knowing that that matters and being completely unapologetic.
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Well, what I didn't realize is that I would be her training ground for that.
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So now it became this battle of wills, and I would lose every time.
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Right.
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When my kiddo was a toddler, I was very, I was very much in fawning and codependency.
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And what that looked like is I was attuning to her.
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I needed her to be happy and healthy in order for me to be okay.
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And so when she would have fits, when she would have anger outbursts, when she would have this normal range of emotions, it triggered me.
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And so now I'm mirror, I'm either mirroring her or I'm trying to stifle her because I had fear of the normal, healthy human experience.
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And, you know, without getting too deep into my own personal parenting experience, I just think there's so many women who they enter the toddler stage and all of a sudden they go, Oh, this is a different season of motherhood.
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And same thing when your kids get into elementary, and like I see a another big parenting shift that usually happens right around six years old, it seems like, where all of a sudden they're not little kids,
but they're not quite big kids yet either.
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And you start having expectations for them and they start having even more autonomy and they start, they start having big kid problems.
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This is no longer little kid problems.
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And I'm talking in a lot of generalities.
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I think if you have a kid who has special needs, or maybe they have a mental or physical health condition, you're going to experience different timelines of things, or you might experience things earlier or later, or you might have it at a different intensity.
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And so I just want to name that that I'm talking about some general experiences, but by no means does this mean it's quote unquote normal or this is what you should expect.
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But there's a big shift in toddlerhood, usually at six years old, and then around that 12 to 13, and again at that like 15, 14 age is what I'm learning in my own experience, and then also through working with other other mothers.
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So there's these different stages where your roles, relationships, and boundaries with your kids have to change because the rules of your relationship and your dynamic are shifting, and you start realizing what is yours and what isn't yours.
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So when you think of parenting, I really like to think of parenting as leadership.
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So the question I get all the time, right, is my two or three-year-old, they want snuggles, but I am so overstimulated and then touching me feels like nails on a chalkboard.
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I feel cringy, I feel overwhelmed, I feel overstimulated, and I don't want snuggles.
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How do I set a boundary with my toddler?
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Again, in the moment, I don't necessarily know if I love the responses that I gave.
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I hope they were really helpful for those women.
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I hope it gave them permission and empowerment and at least an idea of where to start of something different they can try.
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But if I were to go back and if I were, and you know, I'm recording this message essentially for them, or if this is you, of I want you to put yourself in the position of a leader with your toddler.
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They are no longer a baby.
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And so your positioning and your role and your relationship, it is changing.
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That's not just in your head, it's shifting and it's changing.
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And what used to work isn't working for you anymore.
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And I think what's really, really hard is depending on your dynamic with your baby, depending on your personality, depending on what you're doing for work, depending on your capacity, your mental, emotional health, your relational, what you desire.
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Each woman desires something so completely different in this season, especially in toddlerhood.
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This is a season where there's a lot of women, there's a lot of moms who start remembering their ambitions and their joys and their pleasures and identity outside the role of parent, outside the role of mom.
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Some women have been carrying and navigating that weird tricky balance of holding both at the same time this entire time.
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Some women thought they wanted to be a stay-at-home mom and they get to this section of parenting and they're like, huh, this isn't this.
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I want more, I want different.
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And so the way that you respond to that toddler in the moment, yeah, I can give you some really helpful ideas of what to do.
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And I'm not going to list those here.
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What I want to focus on instead is how you know what to do in that moment.
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So I want you to start thinking of yourself as a leader.
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And what I mean by that is you need to feel a couple different things.
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So, one, you need to be able to feel the separation between you and your toddler.
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The next time your toddler is throwing a fit, the next time they want snuggles, the next time they want or need something for you, just feel the separation between what is them and theirs.
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What are their feelings, what are their emotions, what are their wants and needs, and what is what is you?
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Can you feel you in that moment?
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Do a body scan.
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Check into what do I want right now?
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What do I need right now?
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Check into your consent.
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Do I want to hug them right now?
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Do I have capacity to hug them right now without resenting them?
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Right.
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Consent is not just yes and no.
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It's this full range of experience of I don't want to, but I want to want to.
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Or I don't have the desire, but I have the capacity and I'm willing to do this because relationally it aligns with my values to respond this way.
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And this is where it gets so hard in toddlerhood is you have to start feeling for you.
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You as the parent, you have to start prioritizing that that baby's needs, that that baby who's not a baby anymore, they're a toddler.
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You you have to start creating this discernment, this
adult maturity that takes responsibility for how you choose your own agency, you choose how you respond.
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You have agency to say yes or no.
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That toddler is not the leader.
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You cannot give them, you cannot give this toddler or this baby, they are a baby.
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You cannot give them the authority.
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This doesn't mean that you strip them of their own autonomy and their own authority and that you don't let them want what they want and need what they need, but you start remembering that you matter in this relationship.
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How many women do you know in your life?
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How many of you have a mother or a mother-in-law who does not take care of herself and she makes it her kids' her kids' job, her family's job to take care of her needs, even as a grown-ass adult.
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This generation of mothers is changing that.
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And I see it, and it's very, very hard because you have these underlying unconscious expectations that it is your job to become a martyr to take care of your baby.
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Now, there are moments, there are seasons, there are times where you self-sacrifice, where you say, I'm doing this not because it's what I want, I'm doing this not because it's what I need.
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I'm doing this because I love this person and I'm going to lay my life down for them.
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But you do that out of your choice and your agency and your love, not out of codependency, not out of if I meet your need, you'll be okay, and therefore I'm okay.
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Your job as a mom, at least this is my, this is my belief in parenting.
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You can take it or you can leave it.
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You don't have to agree.
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I don't think that makes you a bad mom, but this approach has changed my life.
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It genuinely has changed my motherhood, and I truly believe that it has changed my children.
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It's also changed my marriage.
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Side story.
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But you have to put yourself in this place where you feel what is what is yours and what is not.
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Healthy relationship for your children is that they have a mom who is fully embodied in her own agency, her own choice, and she makes choices as a full-grown adult who is living in maturity, and she doesn't need that kid to be okay for her to be okay.
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And that is hard.
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That is hard to protect your big, beautiful, bleeding heart because most mothers have taken on this godlike responsibility of, I just want my kids to be happy and healthy.
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Well, welcome to toddlerhood or teenagers or big kids where you actually don't have that much control.
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You actually don't have that much power over your kids because unfortunately, you and them are both going to have a human experience, whether you like it or not.
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It doesn't matter how good you do this job, it doesn't matter how good you do with this relationship, they are going to have a human experience and you can't protect them from that.
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That is the worst part of motherhood.
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I swear it.
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It is the biggest grief in the entire world that I have seen women, I have walked, I have watched, let me slow down.
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I have watched women walk this over and over and over.
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It doesn't matter how well they did it.
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It didn't matter how perfect they were, it didn't matter that they showed up to the exact steps and the exact signs, they still had to have the human experience as a mother and they had to watch their child have a human experience as a sole sovereign human.
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One, because your child is a different person and they're going to have choice and agency no matter how good or how bad you do.
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How many people know someone who had really shitty, awful, abusive, terrible parents and still chose to become wonderful, well-rounded adults?
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Right?
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And I'm not saying that we don't have power or influence or impact on our kids.
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I believe the relationship our kids have with us is one of the most impactful they will ever have.
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I work with adult women who are very healthy, who are very high-functioning, who are very ambitious.
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And one of the hardest relationships for them still is the way that their parents made them feel about themselves and about life.
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So I want you to consider what message am I sending my toddler about me?
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Am I a safe, regulated, whole person, not perfect person?
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Your kids don't need a perfect mother.
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In fact, they have a human mother.
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Whether they want it or not, they have a human mother.
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But how do you hold your humanity?
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How do you hold your humanity?
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How do you show up to it?
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How do you work through those days?
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Where you feel like shit and you feel like a crumb, like a crummy, cranky bridge troll, and you're luteal and you're overwhelmed and you're overstimulated and you're having a shit day.
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How do you show up to your humanity on those days?
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Because that is the biggest part of parenting.
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You how the parenting comes from the parent.
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The act, the role, the relationship of parenting your kid, it comes from the parent.
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It comes from you.
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So if you want to show up well to your kid, you have to learn how to show up for you.
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You have to take radical responsibility for not only your behaviors, but what's driving the behaviors.
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Because here is where I don't love this whole parenting idea of I can just tell you what to do with your toddler.
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Because in one moment, that might be a really healthy response.
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And in another moment, you might be completely taking yourself out of your agency and out of your values.
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In one moment, what will feel like caring for your kid will feel like absolutely destroying your capacity for the day.
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Sometimes your toddler has to wait.
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And sometimes you're going to decide, you know what?
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In this moment, me meeting their need actually feels really valuable, even if it's not what I want.
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But can you do that from a place of choice and agency, not shame?
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Not what you're supposed to do.
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So some of the things that are going to really impact your parenting, these skills that you can grow, these are skills.
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And I think this is what's hard is that, like for me, I'll be fully honest, when I was a new mom and a young mom, and even still to this day, there are times where I look at how I'm parenting and I say, this isn't it.
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This is not matching up to my ideals and my values and the standards that I want to hold myself to as a parent.
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But I don't do that out of shame.
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I don't do that out of what a piece of shit, what is wrong with you, how terrible of you.
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I say, what are the skills I need to develop to be able to change my behaviors?
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How do I change my attitude?
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What resources, what capacity do I need to build in myself so that I can change the way that I'm showing up?
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Because I'm actually, I have this weird, not weird, I have this different approach to mom shame and mom guilt.
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Mom shame is when you are feeling paralyzed.
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Paralyzed is a very important part because most of the women I've met have some sort of paralyzation with shame of like, oh, I'm experiencing mom guilt.
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If you tell me I'm experiencing mom guilt, I will ask you point blank, what is the behavior that you are doing that is out of alignment that is in your power to change?
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So if you tell me I have mom guilt, I'm dealing with mom guilt for how many hours I'm working, I'm going to say, okay.
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So you need to change the hours you're working.
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Mom guilt tells you I'm not parenting in the way that I want to.
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I'm not showing up.
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I don't have the identity or the behavior or the relationship that I want.
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And I think it's important, I think it's valuable that we are able to see, feel, and be able to change the gap between where we are and where we want to be.
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That's empowering.
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That is feeling your power.
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That is feeling your capacity to say, this matters to me, and I'm gonna figure out how to do it.
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Not because I'm a piece of shit, but because I love this person.
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I love me, and this isn't working for us.
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This isn't working for me, or it's not working for them.
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So I'm gonna change it.
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I'm gonna do something about it.
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Guilt, there's something for you to do.
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Shame, it doesn't matter how fast you go, it doesn't matter how good you run, you will feel like you can't get there because it just goes faster.
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Shame, so many people feel it differently in their bodies, but most of what people are saying when they say mom guilt, they're actually they're talking about shame.
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It's this deep feeling of I'm bad, there's something wrong with me.
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But it it's important for me to say shame is really hard to see in people who have done a lot of healing and growth work because it's no longer logical.
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Because my experience in my own life and with a lot of the clients I've worked with is we've done a lot of therapy.
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We've done a lot of personal growth work.
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A lot of times we are the coaches and therapists.
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So, like, we're so good with our own bullshit that like we actually sometimes don't have the cognitive thoughts anymore around like, I'm I can't do this, I'm no good, I'm a shitty mom.
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It's a feeling that happens in our body.
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It's an unconscious bullshit that comes up.
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It's an unconscious shame that's happening somatically.
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It's happening as a sensation in our bodies of feeling bad, but not knowing what to do with it, not knowing how to change it.
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It's it's not I'm doing something out of my behavior, out of my values.
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It's I'm wrong.
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I'm doing something wrong and someone's going to catch me, or I'm going to be humiliated, or I'm never good enough.
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Like, man, I'm doing all of the right things.
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I I have everything looks great, but it doesn't feel great.
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That's usually and often very much shame.
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And shame is very much a cultural relational, relational byproduct.
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And so I have found that shame cannot be broken individually.
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It cannot be, it cannot be broken you on your own.
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And even I would, I would wager to say not even in one-on-one where it's you and one other person.
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It has to be a communal experience where someone you witness someone else experiencing or sharing or talking about that thing you're going through, and you have a witness to it that is not shameful.
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You have a witness that is loving and compassionate.
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It might still hold you accountable.
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It might still share some hard truths, but it doesn't do it in like a shitty beating you up kind of way.
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It's like if you're down, shame kicks you.
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If you're down, guilt offers you a hand and says, get up.
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Get up.
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Like, let's do this.
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What do you need to do this?
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That's the difference.
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And you get to decide if you don't like the way that you're showing up as a mother, if you don't like the way that you are parenting, you have the option to either kick yourself while you're down or to look at yourself while you're down and say, All right, let's do something about it.
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Let's change it, let's shift the way that we take care of ourselves or our kids or our household or whatever it is for you.
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Another piece of this that I want to mention is that, like, even when you're parenting really, really well, like let's say you are parenting in alignment with your values, you are showing up in a way you're really proud of, it can still be really freaking hard.
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So many women think that if I'm doing the right thing, it will feel good and it will feel easy.
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And I actually find that is not always true.
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In fact, it's often not true.
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Some of the times when I am parenting at my best, when I am showing up as the healthiest mother that I can, when I am behaving and my values and healthy boundaries and standards, while also being compassionate and caring and supporting my kids, teaching my kids, it's uncomfortable.
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I don't like it, or they don't like it, or both of us don't like it, right?
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Like giving my kids consequences or letting them learn hard lessons or watching them struggle without coming in to save them.
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There are so many hard things about parenting, not just when you're not doing it well.
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That's really important for you to hear that just because it's hard doesn't mean you're not doing it well.
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In fact, it might be a sign that you're doing it right.
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I we live in a culture that says that if you are healthy and you know, you're taking care of your mental and emotional health, and you have boundaries and you know, all of these things, if you're healthy spiritually, that like things will feel good and easy, and that is not true.
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I don't know a single healthy, happy, successful person that doesn't still experience the full reality of their humanity, especially as a parent.
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Especially as a parent.
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Like it's freaking hard.
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So I really hope that this podcast supported you, that it gave you really good ways to feel into the season of parenting that you're in and how you can show up to it.
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I'm really curious and I would absolutely love to hear from you.
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What season of parenting are you in?
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And like what are some common struggles that you're having having in this season?
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Because I really want to record more podcasts like this where I'm answering questions in longer form.
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One of the things that drives me crazy about social media is trying to take these nuanced, complex topics and make them into like quick little one-minute videos.
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I think they can be really inspirational or quote unquote empowering.
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But I think the problem with that is that inspiration makes you feel good in the moment, but it usually doesn't actually spur you to action.
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And my hope as a mentor, as a practitioner, as a coach is not just to like inspire you, it's to get you into action.
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I don't want to just make you feel good for a moment.
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I want you to create a life that feels really fucking good.
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A life that you lay your head down on the pillow at night most nights, even on the on the really, really good days and on the shit days, and you say, I like how I held my humanity today.
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I like how I held my kids' humanity.
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I like how I showed up.
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And if you don't, if you don't like how you showed up, you're able to feel in your body, in your soul, in that deep gut place, I know how to change this.
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I know the pivots to make.
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I know if I need to hit the gas or hit the brakes or make a pivot or I need to get some support.
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I need to change the way I'm showing up for myself so that I have capacity to change this relationship.
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So if you, if you loved this podcast episode, if this was helpful and supportive for you, please help by sharing it on social media.
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Tag me.
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I'd love to hear your aha moments.
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Take a moment and follow so you see all of the next ones.
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And definitely send me, send me a DM or send me an email and tell me the season of parenting you're in and tell me what's hardest about you, hardest about you, hardest about this season.
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Is it motherhood?
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Is it parenting?
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Is it business?
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Is it all of it all at the same time?
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I really want to hear from you so I can create more episodes like this where I give you actually tangible supportive ways to be able to change things in a way that's supportive and gracefelt, but also brings you back to this place of feeling your grit and your fortitude because all of those things matter and you have all of them.
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So take up audacious space.
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I hope you have a wonderful day, and I'll see you next time.
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Thanks for joining me on today's episode of the Motherhood Mentor Podcast.
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Take really good care of yourself, and I'll see you next time.