Full Transcript for Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And The Unsealed Grand Jury Documents From Florida (Part 1-3) (11/11/26)

very quickly signed CS HB 117, 65 00:04:33.389 --> 00:04:39.910 amending Florida Statute 905.27, effective July 1, 2024. This amendment 66 00:04:39.970 --> 00:04:44.699 significantly modified the definition of furthering justice to expressly include 67 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:48.519 furthering a public interest when the disclosure is requested pursuant 68 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:54.079 to paragraph 905.272c. It cannot be understated that the amendment 69 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:57.910 to the law very clearly allows what previously was not 70 00:04:57.970 --> 00:05:01.470 legally permissible. The court's order denying the release of the 71 00:05:01.529 --> 00:05:04.769 records also gave leave of court for the Palm Beach 72 00:05:04.810 --> 00:05:08.649 Post to file a motion for reconsideration after July 1, 2024, 73 00:05:08.629 --> 00:05:14.899 under the new statute. On June 12, 2024, The Palm 74 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:18.259 Beach Post moved for reconsideration of the trial court's order 75 00:05:18.620 --> 00:05:25.319 based on the Florida Statute 905.27 as amended on July 1, 2024. 76 00:05:25.319 --> 00:05:28.860 It cannot be disputed that the 2024 amendments to Florida 77 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:34.350 Statute 905.27 were intended to remove the prior statutory hurdles 78 00:05:34.689 --> 00:05:38.769 to disclosure of the Epstein grand jury materials. In fact, 79 00:05:38.810 --> 00:05:41.949 the court notes the bill was often called the Epstein 80 00:05:41.970 --> 00:05:46.490 grand jury bill recognizing the prior statutory construction did not 81 00:05:46.529 --> 00:05:50.389 allow release of these records. In the official press releases, 82 00:05:50.470 --> 00:05:56.069 Governor DeSantis explained his reasons for signing CS HB 117 83 00:05:56.069 --> 00:05:59.800 into law. Governor DeSantis stated the public deserves to know 84 00:06:00.139 --> 00:06:04.259 who participated in the Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking. Nobody should 85 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:07.879 be protected from facing justice due to their wealth or status, 86 00:06:08.230 --> 00:06:10.790 and those who harm children should be exposed and punished 87 00:06:10.829 --> 00:06:14.389 to the fullest extent of the law. Conclusions of Fact 88 00:06:14.649 --> 00:06:20.449 and Law Florida Statute 905.272c now reads as follows. When 89 00:06:20.470 --> 00:06:23.670 a court orders the disclosure of such testimony pursuant to 90 00:06:23.709 --> 00:06:27.000 subsection 1 in response to a request by the media 91 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:30.560 or an interested person, regardless of whether that purpose is 92 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:33.560 for use in a criminal or civil case, It may 93 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:36.120 be disclosed so long as the subject of the grand 94 00:06:36.180 --> 00:06:40.079 jury inquiry is deceased, the grand jury inquiry related to 95 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:43.680 criminal or sexual activity between the subject of the grand 96 00:06:43.699 --> 00:06:46.600 jury investigation and the person who was a minor at 97 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:50.550 the time of the alleged criminal or sexual activity, the 98 00:06:50.579 --> 00:06:54.050 testimony was previously disclosed by a court order, and the 99 00:06:54.069 --> 00:06:58.050 state attorney is provided notice of the request. This paragraph 100 00:06:58.089 --> 00:07:01.029 does not limit the court's ability to limit the disclosure 101 00:07:01.069 --> 00:07:05.589 of testimony including, but not limited to, redaction. With that 102 00:07:05.649 --> 00:07:09.269 new legal mechanism in place, the court makes the following findings. 103 00:07:09.810 --> 00:07:12.410 The court finds that the request involves a matter of 104 00:07:12.470 --> 00:07:16.230 public interest. The criminal prosecution of the most infamous pedophile 105 00:07:16.509 --> 00:07:20.339 in American history began in Palm Beach County with much controversy. 106 00:07:20.819 --> 00:07:23.560 For almost 20 years, the story of how Jeffrey Epstein 107 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:27.240 victimized some of his Palm Beach County's most vulnerable has 108 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:30.209 been the subject of much anger, and has at times 109 00:07:30.290 --> 00:07:34.430 diminished the public's perception of the criminal justice system. Adding 110 00:07:34.470 --> 00:07:38.250 to the public interest, Epstein is indeed notorious and infamous, 111 00:07:38.569 --> 00:07:41.410 and is widely reported to have flaunted his wealth while 112 00:07:41.449 --> 00:07:47.209 cavorting with politicians, billionaires, and even British royalty. It's understandable 113 00:07:47.269 --> 00:07:50.279 that given those reports, the public has a great curiosity 114 00:07:50.339 --> 00:07:54.060 about what was widely reported by news agencies as special 115 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:58.060 treatment regarding his prosecution. This matter is clearly the subject 116 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:01.399 of public interest. The court finds that this request is 117 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:04.459 made by the news media, specifically the Palm Beach Post. 118 00:08:04.959 --> 00:08:07.689 The Palm Beach Post is a daily newspaper that was 119 00:08:07.750 --> 00:08:11.629 founded in 1916 as a local publication in West Palm Beach. 120 00:08:12.170 --> 00:08:14.870 For decades, the Palm Beach Post was printed and published 121 00:08:14.930 --> 00:08:18.149 daily in Palm Beach County. The court finds that despite 122 00:08:18.189 --> 00:08:20.930 its many changes, the Palm Beach Post has a long 123 00:08:21.230 --> 00:08:25.620 and rich history documenting our local community. Many local residents 124 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:28.319 still rely on the Palm Beach Post to obtain information 125 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:32.710 on national, state, and local events. The Palm Beach Post 126 00:08:32.769 --> 00:08:36.149 remains a newspaper of record in our country. The court 127 00:08:36.190 --> 00:08:39.470 finds Epstein is also widely reported to have been

deceased 128 00:08:39.549 --> 00:08:45.529 since August 10, 2019, under controversial and newsworthy circumstances, while 129 00:08:45.700 --> 00:08:49.480 under supervision at Metropolitan Correctional Center in the state of 130 00:08:49.539 --> 00:08:53.639 New York. This adds to public interest. Having reviewed the testimony, 131 00:08:53.700 --> 00:08:57.159 the court also finds the testimony relates to sexual activity 132 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:01.159 between Epstein and child victims of sex trafficking. Again, it's 133 00:09:01.220 --> 00:09:05.059 widely accepted that Epstein is a notorious and serial pedophile. 134 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:09.029 The testimony taken by the grand jury concerns activity ranging 135 00:09:09.090 --> 00:09:13.129 from grossly unacceptable to rape. All of the conduct at issue, 136 00:09:13.529 --> 00:09:17.970 sexually deviant, disgusting, and criminal. The details in the record 137 00:09:18.009 --> 00:09:21.549 will be outrageous to decent people. It is also important 138 00:09:21.570 --> 00:09:24.500 to note that some of the testimony in the records 139 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.100 of Epstein's pedophilia involved other people, but there is nothing 140 00:09:28.139 --> 00:09:30.919 in this record that was outside the knowledge of law 141 00:09:30.950 --> 00:09:35.450 enforcement or prosecutors. There is no new information. And just 142 00:09:35.470 --> 00:09:38.190 to interject here, that's what I always tell you folks, okay? 143 00:09:38.230 --> 00:09:41.870 These are receipts. This is where the rubber meets the road. 144 00:09:42.190 --> 00:09:44.289 Who's been lying to you, and who's been telling you 145 00:09:44.309 --> 00:09:47.129 the truth? And who really cares about getting to the 146 00:09:47.179 --> 00:09:50.559 bottom of this? If people are out here talking about, oh, 147 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:53.720 I follow the Epstein case, I'm reporting on it, yada, yada, yada, 148 00:09:54.019 --> 00:09:56.769 and they're not even diving into the court documents, how 149 00:09:56.789 --> 00:09:59.730 could they be giving their audience or their listeners the 150 00:09:59.750 --> 00:10:02.379 really real? Because they don't even know the truth themselves 151 00:10:02.860 --> 00:10:04.899 or the closest to the truth we're going to get. 152 00:10:06.100 --> 00:10:09.049 But what these court documents do, it just backs up 153 00:10:09.149 --> 00:10:11.509 everything that we've been talking about for all these years. 154 00:10:11.950 --> 00:10:15.509 Back to the document. Tragically, the record reveals that Epstein 155 00:10:15.610 --> 00:10:19.029 used children to find more victims. The record also shows 156 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:21.419 that some of the children knew the type of people 157 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:23.940 they could be exposed to and the infamous nature of 158 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:28.080 such notable people. The court also notes that testimony was 159 00:10:28.139 --> 00:10:32.230 previously disclosed to law enforcement agencies. Furthermore, the state attorney 160 00:10:32.570 --> 00:10:36.309 was properly noticed and long ago withdrew any objections to 161 00:10:36.370 --> 00:10:39.610 release the records and early on even did his best 162 00:10:39.669 --> 00:10:43.740 to disclose the information in his office possession without delay, 163 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:47.759 via an internet portal. As a result, he was eventually 164 00:10:47.820 --> 00:10:50.500 dropped as the name party in this action after much 165 00:10:50.580 --> 00:10:55.580 inconvenience and expense. It is ordered and adjudged. The motion 166 00:10:55.639 --> 00:11:00.090 for reconsideration is granted. It is further ordered and adjudged. 167 00:11:00.429 --> 00:11:04.350 The hearing scheduled for July 8, 2024 is moot and 168 00:11:04.429 --> 00:11:08.169 is canceled. It is further ordered and adjudged. The Palm 169 00:11:08.190 --> 00:11:12.059 Beach Post petitioned to release the grand jury proceedings regarding 170 00:11:12.100 --> 00:11:19.059 Jeffrey Epstein under Florida Statute 905.27 as amended July 1, 2024, 171 00:11:19.059 --> 00:11:22.090 is granted, with only a few redactions made by the 172 00:11:22.139 --> 00:11:25.549 court to protect the identity of the minors. The court 173 00:11:25.590 --> 00:11:28.549 hereby authorizes the clerk of the court to release the 174 00:11:28.590 --> 00:11:32.580 redacted clerk notes and transcripts of the testimony in their entirety, 175 00:11:33.340 --> 00:11:36.000 attached as Exhibit A. The court is not aware of 176 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:39.840 anything more to review and disclose. Done and ordered at 177 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:42.960 West Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, Florida. And this document 178 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.480 was signed by Luis Delgado. All right, so we're going 179 00:11:46.500 --> 00:11:49.590 to wrap up this episode here. And in the next episode, 180 00:11:49.610 --> 00:11:51.990 we're going to dive into the meat and potatoes and 181 00:11:52.029 --> 00:11:55.049 get rocking and rolling. All of the information that goes 182 00:11:55.149 --> 00:11:58.389 with this episode can be found in the description box. 183 00:11:58.649 --> 00:12:02.049 What's up, everyone? And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. 184 00:12:02.750 --> 00:12:04.759 In this episode, we're going to get right back to 185 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:07.929 those grand jury documents. And this is going to be 186 00:12:07.990 --> 00:12:11.830 the actual transcript of the proceeding. And like usual, you 187 00:12:11.870 --> 00:12:14.509 might want to have your barf bag ready. In the 188 00:12:14.690 --> 00:12:17.970 5th Circuit of the 15th Judicial Circuit in and for 189 00:12:18.029 --> 00:12:22.620 Palm Beach County, Florida, Grand Jury Proceeding, Jeffrey Epstein. On 190 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:27.600 behalf of the state, Barry Krischer, State Attorney, Palm Beach, Florida, 191 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:35.019 and Lana Belahovlich,

and Mary Ann Duggan. Wednesday, July 19th, 2006. 192 00:12:35.529 --> 00:12:40.230 Grand Jury Room, Palm Beach County Courthouse, 914 a.m. to 193 00:12:40.230 --> 00:12:47.840 1252 p.m. Witnesses, Joseph Ricari, Gregory Parkinson, and Jensen Ross. 194 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:52.559 And we also have some redacted names, which are the minors, obviously. 195 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:57.230 Be it remembered that the following proceedings were had at 196 00:12:57.250 --> 00:12:59.850 the Palm Beach County Courthouse located in the city of 197 00:12:59.889 --> 00:13:04.690 West Palm Beach, state of Florida, on Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 198 00:13:04.690 --> 00:13:09.190 beginning at 9.14 a.m., with appearance as herein before noted, 199 00:13:09.370 --> 00:13:15.440 to wit, thereupon. Miss Dugan, everybody ready? Witness Joseph Ricari. 200 00:13:15.620 --> 00:13:18.200 Miss Dugan, would you raise your right hand? Do you 201 00:13:18.259 --> 00:13:21.120 swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give 202 00:13:21.179 --> 00:13:24.090 today will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing 203 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:27.029 but the truth? So help you God, the witness who 204 00:13:27.090 --> 00:13:33.129 is Joseph Ricari, I do. Miss Dugan, please have a seat. Ricari, 205 00:13:33.190 --> 00:13:39.899 thank you. The Examination by Mrs. Belahovlik. Question. Good morning. Answer. 206 00:13:40.139 --> 00:13:46.820 Good morning. Belahovlik. Detective Rakari, could you introduce yourself, please? Rakari. 207 00:13:47.259 --> 00:13:49.759 My name is Detective Joseph Rakari with the Palm Beach 208 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:54.919 Police Department. Prosecutor. Okay, what is your position there? Rakari. 209 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:59.549 I'm a detective in the Special Investigations Unit. Prosecutor. What 210 00:13:59.570 --> 00:14:05.279 do you investigate in Special Investigations? Rakari. Long-term investigations, financial crimes, 211 00:14:05.340 --> 00:14:10.220 white-collar crimes, just about any, any kind of crimes. Prosecutor. Okay. 212 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:15.779 Ones that are going on for a long period of time, though, usually. Ricari. Correct. 213 00:14:15.820 --> 00:14:23.580 A long period. Prosecutor. Not a murder that happened last night. Ricari. Right. Prosecutor. Okay. 214 00:14:23.740 --> 00:14:27.679 Did you become involved in an investigation under case number 0500368? Ricari. 215 00:14:27.710 --> 00:14:35.379 That's correct. Prosecutor. When did you become involved in this? Ricari, 216 00:14:35.940 --> 00:14:41.139 in September of 2005. Prosecutor, okay, was there another detective 217 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:45.820 investigating this case before then? Ricari, that's correct, her name 218 00:14:45.860 --> 00:14:50.450 was Michelle Pagan. Prosecutor, okay, and she at some point 219 00:14:50.690 --> 00:14:54.889 turned it over to you. Ricari, correct. Prosecutor, have you 220 00:14:54.929 --> 00:14:58.809 familiarized yourself either speaking

with Detective Pagan or going through 221 00:14:58.830 --> 00:15:01.289 her reports as to what was done when she was 222 00:15:01.370 --> 00:15:05.860 detective on the case? Rakari, yes I have. Prosecutor, okay. 223 00:15:06.200 --> 00:15:07.980 How did this case come to the attention of the 224 00:15:08.019 --> 00:15:12.440 Palm Beach Police Department? Rakari, on March 14th, 2005, a 225 00:15:12.899 --> 00:15:15.899 phone call was received from Redacted, who felt that there 226 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:22.620 was a, well, some sexual activity had occurred with her daughter. Prosecutor, okay. 227 00:15:23.019 --> 00:15:28.789 And Redacted's name is Redacted. Rakari, Redacted. Prosecutor, okay. And 228 00:15:28.830 --> 00:15:34.009 who was her daughter? Rakari, her stepdaughter is Redacted. Prosecutor, 229 00:15:34.450 --> 00:15:37.649 what did redacted think was going on? Ricari, what had 230 00:15:37.700 --> 00:15:41.019 occurred was that redacted had gotten into a fight at 231 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:45.000 redacted school, and subsequent after the fight they discovered 300 232 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:48.480 bucks in her purse. When questioning the 300 dollars, she 233 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:50.440 had told him that she had received it from a 234 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:55.740 man in Palm Beach. Prosecutor, okay, did redacted also overhear 235 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:58.970 a conversation where they were talking about sex that might 236 00:15:59.009 --> 00:16:02.470 have accepted money for having sex with the man? Ricari, yes, 237 00:16:02.529 --> 00:16:05.200 that's correct. She had some kind of sexual activity with 238 00:16:05.259 --> 00:16:11.539 a man in Palm Beach. Prosecutor and was paid for it? Ricari, correct. Prosecutor, okay. 239 00:16:11.580 --> 00:16:14.879 Was Detective Pagan able to find out the circumstances about 240 00:16:14.899 --> 00:16:18.350 why the fight occurred? Ricari, it was rumored that she 241 00:16:18.389 --> 00:16:21.409 had slept with a man in Palm Beach in at 242 00:16:21.490 --> 00:16:27.669 redacted school. Prosecutor, she being redacted? Ricari, redacted. Question, correct. 243 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:32.620 From the prosecutor, okay. Rakari, correct. Prosecutor, and she heard 244 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:35.799 the rumor that she was a prostitute, and that's what 245 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:40.539 started the fight. Rakari, correct. Prosecutor, who did she have 246 00:16:40.580 --> 00:16:46.000 the fight with? Rakari, a girl by the name of Redacted. Prosecutor, okay. 247 00:16:46.500 --> 00:16:50.809 Where the fight occurred at school? Rakari, yes. Prosecutor, who 248 00:16:50.889 --> 00:16:54.870 actually found the money in Redacted's purse? Rakari, the freshman 249 00:16:54.889 --> 00:17:01.440 assistant principal? Prosecutor, okay, and how much was in the purse? Ricari, 300. Prosecutor, 250 00:17:01.740 --> 00:17:07.359 was Detective Pagan able to interview Redacted? Ricari, yeah. Prosecutor, 251 00:17:07.380 -->

00:17:10.500 where did that occur? Ricari, that occurred at the Palm 252 00:17:10.539 --> 00:17:16.250 Beach Police Department. Prosecutor, okay, did Redacted initially? Well, was 253 00:17:16.329 --> 00:17:21.549 Redacted initially honest with Detective Pagan? Ricari, originally she did 254 00:17:21.589 --> 00:17:24.869 not tell everything that occurred. It was through a subsequent interview. 255 00:17:25.380 --> 00:17:30.980 that the further information was developed. Prosecutor, what did redacted 256 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:35.740 tell Detective Pagan initially? Ricari, initially, she said that she 257 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:37.400 had gone to the house with a girl by the 258 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:40.880 name of redacted to pick up money that was owed 259 00:17:40.900 --> 00:17:44.950 to her. When she, Detective Pagan, further questioned her, she 260 00:17:45.029 --> 00:17:47.369 explained that she was taken to the house to provide 261 00:17:47.410 --> 00:17:52.109 a massage to a wealthy man in Palm Beach. Prosecutor, okay, 262 00:17:52.190 --> 00:17:54.839 so she initially denied that though, and said there was 263 00:17:54.880 --> 00:18:00.900 no act on her part between this man and herself? Ricari, correct. Prosecutor, okay, 264 00:18:00.980 --> 00:18:06.980 but she ultimately told him that she went for a massage. Ricari, correct. Prosecutor, 265 00:18:07.029 --> 00:18:11.200 to give him a massage? Ricari, correct. Prosecutor, okay, did 266 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:15.809 Redacted discuss with Detective Pagan that what Redacted had told 267 00:18:15.849 --> 00:18:18.509 her about what was going on at the house? Like, 268 00:18:18.549 --> 00:18:21.170 did you know Redacted was going to bring you here 269 00:18:21.410 --> 00:18:23.349 to do a massage and that you were going to 270 00:18:23.390 --> 00:18:28.940 get money? Ricari, yes. Prosecutor, what did redacted say redacted 271 00:18:28.980 --> 00:18:32.029 explained to her? Ricari originally let me, if I can 272 00:18:32.069 --> 00:18:35.650 read this, originally the first interview was done, I'm sorry, 273 00:18:35.769 --> 00:18:38.809 at redacted school. She was going to the house to 274 00:18:38.869 --> 00:18:42.150 provide the massage. It was offered to her by redacted 275 00:18:42.450 --> 00:18:44.849 to provide the massage to this man who was later 276 00:18:44.910 --> 00:18:50.079 identified as Jeffrey Epstein. Prosecutor, okay. Did Redacted admit to 277 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:53.720 Detective Pagan knowing that Redacted worked for this man in 278 00:18:53.779 --> 00:18:59.420 exchange for doing sexual favors? Ricari, yes. Prosecutor, did she 279 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:02.099 say that she was offered the opportunity to do those 280 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:06.500 and that's why she went there? Ricari, yes. Prosecutor, okay. 281 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:10.319 Did Detective Pagan ask Redacted if she ever discussed with 282 00:19:10.380 --> 00:19:14.220 Redacted about letting this man know

her age? Ricari, um, 283 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:17.250 it was discussed in the ride over that if if 284 00:19:17.309 --> 00:19:21.700 she was asked her age to say that she was 18. Prosecutor, okay, 285 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:24.700 and redacted and redacted agreed that she was going to 286 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:30.940 do that if asked. Ricari, yes. Prosecutor, okay. Now the prosecutor, Belahovlik, 287 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:34.849 switches gears. At this point, we're going to ask redacted 288 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:40.369 to testify, okay? Ricari, okay. Belahovlik, please hang around. You're 289 00:19:40.390 --> 00:19:45.029 going to testify again in a little bit. Ricari, okay. Belahovlik, 290 00:19:45.250 --> 00:19:49.309 thank you. Now... This is the witness herself who they 291 00:19:49.369 --> 00:19:52.869 brought up and front of the grand jury and absolutely savaged. 292 00:19:53.970 --> 00:19:57.750 Witness redacted. Miss Dugan, come on in. We're going to 293 00:19:57.789 --> 00:19:59.710 have you sit over here. Could you raise your right 294 00:19:59.750 --> 00:20:02.440 hand for me? Do you swear or affirm that the 295 00:20:02.500 --> 00:20:04.920 testimony you're about to give today will be the truth, 296 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:07.779 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help 297 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:11.529 you God? The witness, I do. Ms. Dugan, when you're 298 00:20:11.549 --> 00:20:15.549 here testifying, everything's recorded with a microphone system. So you 299 00:20:15.589 --> 00:20:17.869 have to. Can you put your hand down? You have 300 00:20:17.910 --> 00:20:21.069 to answer as you did verbally or you can't shake 301 00:20:21.089 --> 00:20:23.650 your head because that won't be recorded in the system 302 00:20:23.690 --> 00:20:26.279 that's going on. So you have to say yes or no. 303 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:29.480 You can't shake your head. And one important thing is 304 00:20:29.500 --> 00:20:31.759 you're here today before the grand jury and it's a 305 00:20:31.819 --> 00:20:35.339 crime to lie to the grand jury. And in our terms, 306 00:20:35.380 --> 00:20:38.480 we call it perjury. But in regular people's terms, it's 307 00:20:38.539 --> 00:20:41.589 lying to the grand jury. So there is one important 308 00:20:41.630 --> 00:20:44.589 rule here today. You must tell them the truth. 100% 309 00:20:44.589 --> 00:20:48.950 the truth. There is cause you cannot. There's no penalty 310 00:20:48.990 --> 00:20:52.039 for telling the truth. It's the opposite. If it can 311 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:54.980 be shown, proven that you lied to the grand jury, 312 00:20:55.259 --> 00:20:57.599 there is a crime of perjury. Do you understand that? 313 00:20:58.220 --> 00:21:02.779 That seems a bit unnecessary. No, this poor kid. The witness. 314 00:21:03.259 --> 00:21:08.279 I do. Dugan. Is that a yes? The witness. Yes. Dugan. Okay. 315 00:21:08.339 --> 00:21:10.619 So move up to the microphone a little bit. And 316 00:21:10.660 --> 00:21:13.140 be sure that you speak yes or no. And so 317 00:21:13.180 --> 00:21:15.539 that even the folks in the top of this room 318 00:21:15.940 --> 00:21:21.720 can hear your answers, okay? The witness, okay. Examination time. Belahovlik. 319 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:24.980 All right, could you tell me who you are? Answer, 320 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:30.869 I'm redacted. Belahovlik, how old are you? Redacted. Witness, 16. Belahovlik, 321 00:21:31.230 --> 00:21:35.890 what's your birthday? Witness, 1990. Belahovlik, how old were you 322 00:21:35.950 --> 00:21:41.039 in February of 2005? Witness, I was 14 still. Bella Hovlich, 323 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:44.480 14 or 15? Bella Hovlich, I was 14 still. Well, 324 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:50.299 this happened when I was 14, so Bella Hovlich, you turned, witness, 325 00:21:50.299 --> 00:21:53.329 15 in redacted of that year. Bella Hovlich, and you 326 00:21:53.349 --> 00:21:58.069 just turned 16 now? Witness, yeah. Bella Hovlich, okay, so 327 00:21:58.109 --> 00:22:02.170 you were just short of 15. Witness, uh-huh. Bella Hovlich, 328 00:22:02.230 --> 00:22:05.269 all right, where do you live? Witness, I live in redacted. 329 00:22:05.710 --> 00:22:08.819 Bella Hovlich, where do you go to school? Witness, I'm 330 00:22:08.859 --> 00:22:12.680 going to be starting school at Redacted School. Bella Hovlik, okay, 331 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:16.339 that's Redacted School. Uh-huh. Bella Hovlik, where did you go 332 00:22:16.380 --> 00:22:21.529 to high school in 2005? Witness, Redacted. Bella Hovlik, where 333 00:22:21.569 --> 00:22:27.069 is that? Witness, in Redacted. Bella Hovlik, on what road? Witness, I, 334 00:22:27.410 --> 00:22:32.529 Bella Hovlik, Redacted. Witness, yeah, probably. Bella Hovlik, what grade 335 00:22:32.549 --> 00:22:36.269 were you in in 2005 when you were at Redacted School? Witness, 336 00:22:36.349 --> 00:22:39.210 I was in 9th grade. Bella Hovlich, did you know 337 00:22:39.250 --> 00:22:43.430 someone named Redacted? Witness, yes. Bella Hovlich, how did you 338 00:22:43.450 --> 00:22:48.049 know Redacted? Witness, I used to date her cousin. Bella Hovlich, alright, 339 00:22:48.089 --> 00:22:51.450 how old's Redacted? Witness, at the time I think she 340 00:22:51.490 --> 00:22:54.730 was 18 or 19, I think. Bella Hovlich, who was 341 00:22:54.769 --> 00:22:59.250 her cousin that you dated? Witness, Redacted. Bella Hovlich, was 342 00:22:59.329 --> 00:23:02.089 Redacted going to school at Redacted? Or did you know 343 00:23:02.130 --> 00:23:05.599 her from outside school? Witness, I knew her from outside 344 00:23:05.630 --> 00:23:08.569 the school. Bella Hovlich, how much contact did you have 345 00:23:08.589 --> 00:23:11.829 with Redacted? Witness, I met her about, well, I met 346 00:23:11.869 --> 00:23:15.170 her the night before I went to Jeffrey's house. Bella Hovlich, okay, 347 00:23:15.250 --> 00:23:19.150 tell us about the night when you met Redacted. Witness, um, 348

00:23:19.329 --> 00:23:22.930 I was with my boyfriend, Redacted, at my house. And her, 349 00:23:23.130 --> 00:23:25.789 or his aunt, lives like four streets down from mine. 350 00:23:26.190 --> 00:23:28.190 So we went to say hi to his aunt and stuff, 351 00:23:28.339 --> 00:23:32.299 and Redacted was there, and I was introduced. Bella Hovlich, 352 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:35.970 had you met her before that night? Witness, um, at 353 00:23:36.009 --> 00:23:38.849 like a family football thing, like they had a family 354 00:23:38.890 --> 00:23:44.349 get-together for a football game, and she was there. Bella Hovlich, okay. Witness, 355 00:23:44.410 --> 00:23:48.049 but I just said hi to her. Bella Hovlich, alright. Witness, 356 00:23:48.089 --> 00:23:51.910 like I never knew her, like who she was. Bella Hovlich, 357 00:23:52.259 --> 00:23:57.480 not a lot, a lot of conversations. Witness, yeah. Witness again, 358 00:23:57.759 --> 00:23:59.880 it was just kind of like, hi, nice to meet you. 359 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:03.549 Bella Hovlich, okay. That night you go down there, you 360 00:24:03.589 --> 00:24:07.690 meet her. What happens? Witness? Yeah. And then it was 361 00:24:07.730 --> 00:24:10.190 just like kind of like a regular night and we 362 00:24:10.210 --> 00:24:12.869 were just hanging out watching TV. And then like it 363 00:24:12.910 --> 00:24:16.349 was like 1130 ish or 10, something like that. And 364 00:24:16.390 --> 00:24:18.589 she was like, what are you doing tomorrow? And I 365 00:24:18.650 --> 00:24:21.150 said nothing. And then she was like, oh, well, do 366 00:24:21.170 --> 00:24:24.450 you want to make like $ 200? And I was like, yeah, sure. 367 00:24:24.470 --> 00:24:27.559 And then she was like, well, you're going to have 368 00:24:27.619 --> 00:24:30.680 to like meet my friend Jeffrey Epstein. And he lives 369 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:33.710 in a big... humongous mansion and like he lives on 370 00:24:33.730 --> 00:24:36.670 the water and all this stuff. And I was like, well, 371 00:24:36.730 --> 00:24:39.450 that's really cool. And she's like, but you have to 372 00:24:39.490 --> 00:24:41.950 give him a massage for like 40 minutes and that's 373 00:24:41.990 --> 00:24:45.170 all you have to do. And you get like $ 200 374 00:24:44.410 --> 00:24:47.779 for it. And it's really easy. And I was like, okay, 375 00:24:47.819 --> 00:24:51.460 like whatever. It's just a massage. And then redacted was like, 376 00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:55.039 he was wondering what happened. And then we were just 377 00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:58.279 told him and he was like, like arguing with redacted. 378 00:24:58.650 --> 00:25:00.630 And then him and Redacted went to the bathroom for 379 00:25:00.670 --> 00:25:03.750 like a couple of minutes to argue. And Redacted had 380 00:25:03.829 --> 00:25:06.430 like her boyfriend there. So me and him were stuck 381 00:25:06.470 --> 00:25:09.269 in like the living room, watching TV, listening to them 382 00:25:09.349 --> 00:25:11.750 argue for a couple of minutes, and then they came back. 383 00:25:12.349 --> 00:25:15.019 Then we went outside and Redacted had called Jeffrey on 384 00:25:15.059 --> 00:25:18.460 the phone. And Jeffrey's assistant lady, I don't remember her name, 385 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:22.019 she answered the phone. And she said that somebody that 386 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:24.819 could give Jeffrey a massage tomorrow. And the lady asked 387 00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:27.519 how old I was and who I was, like what 388 00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:30.880 my name was. But redacted said that, like, I had 389 00:25:30.900 --> 00:25:33.519 to be 18. So she told the lady I was 390 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:36.359 18 and that I went to redacted and I was 391 00:25:36.420 --> 00:25:40.539 a senior and everything. And so the little assistant lady said, like, OK, 392 00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:43.380 that's fine. Come in tomorrow. So then I went home. 393 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:47.240 I and she's interrupted here by Bella Hovlich. OK, let 394 00:25:47.289 --> 00:25:52.150 me stop you here. Couple of things. Witness. OK. All right. 395 00:25:52.170 --> 00:25:53.970 We're going to wrap up right here. And in the 396 00:25:54.029 --> 00:25:56.109 next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off. 397 00:25:56.500 --> 00:25:59.920 And that's with Bella Hovlich asking the next question, which is, 398 00:26:00.269 --> 00:26:03.690 do you know if redacted and redacted were arguing about? 399 00:26:03.970 --> 00:26:06.450 All of the information that goes with this episode can 400 00:26:06.470 --> 00:26:10.119 be found in the description box. What's up everyone and 401 00:26:10.150 --> 00:26:13.539 welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. We're going to pick 402 00:26:13.619 --> 00:26:16.140 up where we left off with the grand jury transcripts 403 00:26:16.460 --> 00:26:19.279 from down in Palm Beach. And so he left off 404 00:26:19.339 --> 00:26:23.640 with Bela Hovlik asking questions of the witness. Bela Hovlik, 405 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:27.140 do you know if Redacted and Redacted were what they 406 00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:31.579 were arguing about? Witness? Yeah, because Redacted didn't want me 407 00:26:31.619 --> 00:26:34.420 to go. Because I guess he knew about, like, my, 408 00:26:34.779 --> 00:26:38.589 his cousin kind of did that already, and she's interrupted here, 409 00:26:38.990 --> 00:26:42.259 and Bela Hovlik. Did that concern you, that Redacted didn't 410 00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:44.220 want you to go, and that you were agreeing to 411 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:47.960 go anyway? Witness, well, yeah, cause, well, he was, I 412 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:50.500 was like, I guess, cause I was 14, and he 413 00:26:50.539 --> 00:26:53.039 was like 16 and stuff, and he was just like, 414 00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:56.380 don't go, don't go, don't go. And I was like, well, 415 00:26:56.440 --> 00:27:01.529 it's $ 200, and I was 14, and I was like $ 200, 416 00:27:00.329 -->

00:27:04.089 so I didn't really care what he said. Belahovlik, okay. 417 00:27:04.430 --> 00:27:07.990 And from listening to Redacted, end of that phone conversation, 418 00:27:08.339 --> 00:27:10.740 The person at Jeffrey's house was trying to verify that 419 00:27:10.779 --> 00:27:15.579 you were at least 18. Answer. Uh-huh. Question. Okay. Is 420 00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:20.789 that a yes? Witness. Yes. Sorry. Bella Hovlik. Okay. Witness. 421 00:27:21.329 --> 00:27:23.630 And but like after she hung up that phone with 422 00:27:23.670 --> 00:27:26.710 the lady, she explained to me that what we went 423 00:27:26.750 --> 00:27:29.150 back inside the house and she explained to me that 424 00:27:29.289 --> 00:27:31.089 I was going to have to like tell the lady 425 00:27:31.450 --> 00:27:33.859 like make up a lie about my whole life. Like 426 00:27:33.890 --> 00:27:37.000 that I went I'm graduating from redacted already that I'm 427 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:40.299 18 all this stuff. and that I've known Redacted for 428 00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:43.079 a long time. Like, just make it look like I 429 00:27:43.099 --> 00:27:45.859 was older. And so I agreed to do all that stuff. 430 00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:48.299 And then I went home for the night. And then 431 00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:52.059 the next morning, Redacted had another lady, like, another teenage girl. 432 00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:54.640 I don't remember her name. She was in the truck 433 00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:57.779 with her. And, like, we were leaving my house, and... 434 00:27:57.940 --> 00:28:00.329 But my dad saw. And I told him we were 435 00:28:00.349 --> 00:28:03.329 going to the mall in Palm Beach. And my dad's like, okay. 436 00:28:03.650 --> 00:28:06.150 He didn't have a problem. And since it was Redacted, 437 00:28:06.349 --> 00:28:08.859 or Redacted's cousin... He didn't care that I was going 438 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:12.680 with Redacted. But he meant like we were leaving and 439 00:28:12.740 --> 00:28:15.019 my dad was coming in the office. They were like 440 00:28:15.099 --> 00:28:18.700 pulling into my driveway and he saw Redacted and Redacted 441 00:28:18.779 --> 00:28:21.759 asked my dad for five dollars for gas. So my 442 00:28:21.779 --> 00:28:24.859 dad said like, yeah, sure. Five dollars, whatever. And then 443 00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:28.339 we left. And then when we got to Jeffrey's house, 444 00:28:29.779 --> 00:28:32.529 she gets interrupted here by Bella Hovlich. Do you know 445 00:28:32.609 --> 00:28:37.630 Jeffrey's full name? Witness, Jeffrey Epstein or Epstein or whatever. 446 00:28:38.769 --> 00:28:43.329 Bella Hovlich, where was the house? Witness, it's in Palm Beach, whatever. 447 00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:46.980 But then we pull up in the driveway. Nobody was there, 448 00:28:47.099 --> 00:28:51.460 like redacted, like he's not home. So we walked up anyways. 449 00:28:51.740 --> 00:28:53.579 We all got out of the car and there was 450 00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:55.380 like

a gate that you have to walk into to 451 00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:57.240 go to the back door. And there was like a 452 00:28:57.289 --> 00:28:59.970 security guard or whatever. And he has like a little 453 00:29:00.089 --> 00:29:03.369 office or whatever in the back. And he saw us. 454 00:29:03.410 --> 00:29:05.609 So he came up to the gate. And he asked 455 00:29:05.710 --> 00:29:08.519 us what we were there for. And redacted said Jeffrey. 456 00:29:08.859 --> 00:29:11.200 And so the guy was like, okay. And he opened 457 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:13.539 the gate. All three of us went in to the 458 00:29:13.579 --> 00:29:16.339 back door towards the kitchen. Because I guess the kitchen's 459 00:29:16.380 --> 00:29:19.180 right there when you open the door. So we were 460 00:29:19.220 --> 00:29:21.769 sitting like in a bar like this. And we were 461 00:29:21.789 --> 00:29:24.849 waiting for about 15 minutes. And then Jeffrey and the 462 00:29:24.890 --> 00:29:27.930 assistant walked in through the back door also. And that's 463 00:29:27.970 --> 00:29:30.559 when I first met Jeffrey. And we shook hands. And 464 00:29:30.579 --> 00:29:33.380 then the lady also introduced herself too. And then the 465 00:29:33.420 --> 00:29:35.880 lady was talking to Redacted and to the other girl 466 00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:38.569 for a couple of seconds. And then Jeffrey said who's 467 00:29:38.589 --> 00:29:41.430 going to go first or whatever. and redacted and the 468 00:29:41.490 --> 00:29:44.630 other girl's like i don't care and then jeffrey's like 469 00:29:44.670 --> 00:29:47.059 how about you pointing to me and i was like 470 00:29:47.140 --> 00:29:50.539 okay and then i was like looking back at redacted 471 00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:53.319 and laughing and then she was just like scooted her 472 00:29:53.339 --> 00:29:56.119 hand to go and she was laughing too and i 473 00:29:56.140 --> 00:29:59.569 was like okay so then We, in the kitchen, it 474 00:29:59.609 --> 00:30:01.970 was like a little hallway, not really, but it's like 475 00:30:02.069 --> 00:30:05.130 a stairway to go upstairs, and we were walking up there. 476 00:30:05.569 --> 00:30:08.200 And the assistant lady walked me up there, and as 477 00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:11.319 Jeffrey was talking to them after. And then she was 478 00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:13.700 pointing out, like, all these pictures and all this stuff, 479 00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:16.680 and then leading me to, like, a bathroom. It was, like, 480 00:30:16.819 --> 00:30:19.900 really big, though. And, like, there were two closets. And 481 00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:22.400 she went into the closet and pulled out the massage 482 00:30:22.420 --> 00:30:24.980 table and set it out in front of, like, this couch. 483 00:30:25.470 --> 00:30:27.630 And then she put like a little blanket or whatever 484 00:30:27.950 --> 00:30:30.650 over the massage table. And then she opened up a drawer. 485 00:30:31.109 --> 00:30:32.930 And there was like a whole bunch of

different like 486 00:30:33.009 --> 00:30:36.309 lotions for getting massages. And she just picked like a 487 00:30:36.349 --> 00:30:38.430 couple of them out and just set them on the 488 00:30:38.470 --> 00:30:41.130 vanity table. There was a big, big mirror on the 489 00:30:41.190 --> 00:30:44.769 other wall opposite to the massage table. And then, and 490 00:30:44.809 --> 00:30:47.769 then she told me to get, um, well, not undressed, 491 00:30:47.829 --> 00:30:50.950 but like put, keep your bra and panties on. And 492 00:30:51.029 --> 00:30:54.390 I was like, okay. And then she said, she's interrupted 493 00:30:54.430 --> 00:31:00.049 here by Bella Hovlich. Had Redacted told you about that before? Witness? No, 494 00:31:00.069 --> 00:31:02.349 I thought, like, it was going to be a massage, like, 495 00:31:02.369 --> 00:31:05.390 you keep your clothing on, and that when I got 496 00:31:05.430 --> 00:31:08.569 in the room, that's when the lady, like, explained that 497 00:31:08.589 --> 00:31:10.900 I would have to do, just to get undressed and 498 00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:13.920 keep my bra and panties on, and then, she's interrupted 499 00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:18.349 by Bella Hovlik, and did you do that? witness yes 500 00:31:18.890 --> 00:31:21.789 bella hovlich is that a yes witness yes and then 501 00:31:21.809 --> 00:31:23.470 to stay in the room for a couple of seconds 502 00:31:23.750 --> 00:31:25.569 and then jeffrey would be coming in the room any 503 00:31:25.609 --> 00:31:29.029 minute and then jeffrey did come in the room and 504 00:31:29.049 --> 00:31:31.440 he said hi and he shook my hand again but 505 00:31:31.500 --> 00:31:33.279 then he went out of the room and he got 506 00:31:33.339 --> 00:31:35.680 undressed but he had a towel on and then he 507 00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:38.279 came into the room again and laid belly down on 508 00:31:38.299 --> 00:31:41.940 the massage table bella hovlich okay stop a minute what 509 00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:45.650 did this man look like this jeffrey epstein witness old 510 00:31:46.289 --> 00:31:55.180 bella hovlich how old Witness, um, he looked like maybe 50-ish. Belahovlik, okay. Witness, 40. Belahovlik, 511 00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:57.960 how was he dressed when you initially met him? Witness, 512 00:31:58.299 --> 00:32:00.740 like he was going golfing. He just had like a 513 00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:05.309 polo t-shirt on and khaki pants. Belahovlik, okay. And how 514 00:32:05.349 --> 00:32:08.950 were you met when you first went to his, were 515 00:32:08.970 --> 00:32:12.539 you dressed when you first went to his house? Answer, Yeah, 516 00:32:12.579 --> 00:32:16.299 I was wearing a regular t-shirt, my Hollister shirt, and 517 00:32:16.339 --> 00:32:19.440 just some jeans. Bela Hovlik. Okay, what kind of underwear 518 00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:23.240 did you have on? Answer. A thong. Bela Hovlik. And 519 00:32:23.259 --> 00:32:26.420 the bra? What type of bra? Answer. It was a bra. 520 00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:31.960 Bela Hovlik. Okay, no special. Answer. Uh-huh. Bela Hovlik. Certain type, 521 00:32:32.099 --> 00:32:35.460 but thong underwear. Were you uncomfortable getting down to your 522 00:32:35.500 --> 00:32:39.440 bra and underwear? Answer. Yeah, like at I was kind 523 00:32:39.460 --> 00:32:41.900 of hesitant. I was like sitting in the room for 524 00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.589 until Jeffrey came in, like thinking like to myself, well, 525 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:49.130 like what's going on? Like, I don't know. I was 526 00:32:49.170 --> 00:32:51.710 kind of hesitant, but then I just didn't care because 527 00:32:51.750 --> 00:32:54.609 I wanted $ 200 because I wanted to spend it. So 528 00:32:54.670 --> 00:32:57.069 I just didn't care. I just, and she's cut off 529 00:32:57.109 --> 00:33:00.839 here by Bella Hovlig once again. Okay. All right. So 530 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:03.240 he comes out and he's in a towel. Start from there. 531 00:33:03.859 --> 00:33:06.940 answer and then he like laid on the massage table 532 00:33:07.299 --> 00:33:09.299 like got on his stomach and then he told me 533 00:33:09.380 --> 00:33:11.900 like to grab any of the three lotions that she 534 00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:14.089 had put down on the table and so I just 535 00:33:14.109 --> 00:33:16.769 grabbed one of them and then I just gave like 536 00:33:16.950 --> 00:33:19.970 I sat first I wasn't sitting on the table because 537 00:33:20.009 --> 00:33:21.829 he was sitting on the table and it was kind 538 00:33:21.869 --> 00:33:24.230 of like I just stood up and then I started 539 00:33:24.250 --> 00:33:27.849 to give him a massage and then he's making conversation 540 00:33:28.329 --> 00:33:30.920 asking me exactly what redacted was going to tell me 541 00:33:30.980 --> 00:33:34.099 to do like if What high school do you go 542 00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:38.299 to and all that stuff? So, Bella Hovlich, did he 543 00:33:38.380 --> 00:33:41.539 ask how old you were? Answer, yes, and I, to 544 00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:43.759 that she's cut off by Bella Hovlich. And what did 545 00:33:43.779 --> 00:33:46.579 you tell him? Answer, I told him I was 18. 546 00:33:46.579 --> 00:33:48.500 And he asked me, like, what do I like to 547 00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:51.579 do in my spare time? And I said, I dance 548 00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:55.759 and all this stuff and just making small talk. And 549 00:33:55.779 --> 00:33:57.940 then he's like, oh, well, you don't have to stand up. 550 00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.000 You can sit on the table. And so I sat 551 00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.119 on the table and I was giving him a massage. 552 00:34:02.420 --> 00:34:04.359 And I think the massage, it was a couple of minutes, 553 00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.259 like 15 or 20 minutes. And this whole time we 554 00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:10.940 were just conversating about anything. And he was telling me 555 00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:13.420 how he had another house in New York and just 556 00:34:13.480

--> 00:34:15.940 a whole bunch of stuff that I was like amused by. 557 00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:18.440 And then after like 20 minutes of giving him a 558 00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:21.340 massage or 30 minutes or something, it was around that time, 559 00:34:21.699 --> 00:34:23.280 he asked me if I wanted to make an extra $ 100. 560 00:34:23.219 --> 00:34:27.630 Bela Hovlik, Before we get there, let me just ask 561 00:34:27.650 --> 00:34:30.230 you a couple of things. You said that the assistant 562 00:34:30.570 --> 00:34:36.110 had you undress? Answer, yeah. Bela Hovlik, is that a yes? Answer, yeah. 563 00:34:36.449 --> 00:34:39.389 Bela Hovlik, do you remember telling Detective Pagan that it 564 00:34:39.409 --> 00:34:43.570 was Jeffrey Epstein that asked you to undress? Answer, no. 565 00:34:43.750 --> 00:34:46.329 I'm like positive it wasn't Jeffrey because he didn't come 566 00:34:46.369 --> 00:34:48.340 in the room till after I was already in my 567 00:34:48.389 --> 00:34:52.159 underwear and my bra. Bela Hovlik, okay. So if that's 568 00:34:52.179 --> 00:34:56.550 in her report, that's incorrect. Witness, yes. Belahovlik, all right. 569 00:34:56.929 --> 00:34:58.829 When you talk about getting on the table, do you 570 00:34:58.869 --> 00:35:02.570 recall telling Detective Pagan that you were actually straddling him 571 00:35:02.750 --> 00:35:07.449 and your... She cuts off Belahovlik here. Answer, that's, yeah. 572 00:35:07.710 --> 00:35:10.409 That's what, when I got on the table, like, after he, 573 00:35:10.510 --> 00:35:14.090 after a couple of minutes. Belahovlik, okay. And you were 574 00:35:14.110 --> 00:35:18.880 straddling him with your bare buttocks to his bare buttocks? Answer, yeah. Well, 575 00:35:18.929 --> 00:35:21.559 kind of. There was a towel that, like, it was 576 00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:24.079 kind of covering his butt, but not really covering his butt. 577 00:35:24.550 --> 00:35:27.250 It was like not really covering his butt. But I 578 00:35:27.269 --> 00:35:29.730 was laying like on his lower back near his butt. 579 00:35:30.190 --> 00:35:34.349 But like, I wasn't on his butt. Bella Hovlich, so 580 00:35:34.449 --> 00:35:37.170 if she wrote, you stated you exposed your bare buttocks, 581 00:35:37.670 --> 00:35:42.250 were touching his bare buttocks. Answer, that'd be kind of correct. 582 00:35:42.869 --> 00:35:46.849 Bella Hovlich, okay. Bella Hovlich, so how long did that 583 00:35:46.889 --> 00:35:49.550 go on when you were sitting on top of him? Answer, 584 00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:52.800 Until like the massage part was over. And then he 585 00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:55.320 like asked, well, would you like to make an extra 586 00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:59.199 hundred dollars? And then I said, sure. And then he's like, but, um, 587 00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:01.559 you have to like, you're not going to be giving 588 00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:04.559 the massage anymore. It's going to be something different. And 589 00:36:04.619 --> 00:36:07.460 I was like, well, what is it? And then he's like, um, 590 00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:11.469 can I use a vibrator on you? And I said, OK. 591 00:36:11.869 --> 00:36:14.139 And then so then he got up and he went 592 00:36:14.179 --> 00:36:16.579 into his like other room for a couple of seconds, 593 00:36:16.980 --> 00:36:19.400 like literally a couple of seconds and then came back 594 00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:22.079 into the room. And next to the little vanity, big 595 00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:25.019 mirror and all the big table there was like on 596 00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:27.920 the floor, there was just like the vibrator. It looked 597 00:36:27.940 --> 00:36:31.239 like a vibrator to me. Bella Hovlik, what did it 598 00:36:31.260 --> 00:36:34.869 look like? Answer, it was like purple and it was like, 599 00:36:35.289 --> 00:36:37.949 it was like kind of a like massager, but not really. 600 00:36:38.269 --> 00:36:40.469 Like it looked like a massager, but it wasn't really 601 00:36:40.489 --> 00:36:43.869 a massager. And she's cut off by Bella Hovlik here. 602 00:36:44.449 --> 00:36:48.289 What was it shaped like? Answer, um, like circular in 603 00:36:48.329 --> 00:36:50.110 the top. And then it was like a handle on 604 00:36:50.130 --> 00:36:55.539 the bottom. Bella Hovlik, okay, all right. Witness, and then 605 00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:58.340 after he grabbed that, he laid me back on the 606 00:36:58.380 --> 00:37:00.500 table and except this time he was on his back. 607 00:37:00.869 --> 00:37:02.809 And I was partially on the table, like half of 608 00:37:02.869 --> 00:37:04.889 my butt cheek and my leg was on the table 609 00:37:05.230 --> 00:37:07.409 and the one leg was on the floor. And like 610 00:37:07.469 --> 00:37:11.360 sometimes I'd put it on the couch, like cause the 611 00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:13.440 couch was right here and the table was right there. 612 00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:17.239 So it was kind of close. And I, he told 613 00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:20.000 me to keep giving him a massage, but to give 614 00:37:20.059 --> 00:37:23.320 a massage on his chest. Bela Hovlig, so you're sitting 615 00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:27.829 on the table now and he's standing up. Witness? No, no, no. 616 00:37:28.130 --> 00:37:30.010 He was lying back on the table, but, like, I 617 00:37:30.030 --> 00:37:32.230 was kind of on the table. Like, half my butt 618 00:37:32.309 --> 00:37:34.250 and my leg was on the table, and the other 619 00:37:34.289 --> 00:37:37.050 half was, like, part, like, on the couch. Like, I 620 00:37:37.070 --> 00:37:40.730 was holding. She's interrupted here again by Bela Hovlik. Okay, 621 00:37:40.769 --> 00:37:46.530 but he's laying down. Witness? Yeah. Bela Hovlik? Okay. Witness? And, um, 622 00:37:46.570 --> 00:37:49.050 then I was giving a massage on his chest, and 623 00:37:49.090 --> 00:37:51.280 he was still talking for a couple of minutes. Then 624 00:37:51.300 --> 00:37:53.840 he used the vibrator. And, like, that

was for, like, 625 00:37:53.889 --> 00:37:58.210 ten minutes maybe or so, I think. And then, Bela Hovlich, now, 626 00:37:58.869 --> 00:38:01.429 I have to be detailed here. Where was he using 627 00:38:01.630 --> 00:38:08.309 the vibrator? Witness, can I say along my vagina? Bela Hovlich, okay. Witness, 628 00:38:08.630 --> 00:38:12.139 I don't know what else to say. Bela Hovlich, all right, 629 00:38:12.179 --> 00:38:15.309 go ahead. Okay. And then, and then after for a 630 00:38:15.329 --> 00:38:18.090 couple of minutes, that's what he was doing. And then 631 00:38:18.110 --> 00:38:20.269 he jerked off for a couple of minutes. Like I 632 00:38:20.309 --> 00:38:22.849 was still on the table and redacted told me that if, 633 00:38:23.250 --> 00:38:25.389 if you like, if he does that, then you have 634 00:38:25.409 --> 00:38:27.650 to get more money because that's like, he gives you 635 00:38:27.710 --> 00:38:30.449 extra money if he jerks off anyways, because I guess 636 00:38:30.510 --> 00:38:34.679 it's some like is indiscernible or whatever. And to that, 637 00:38:34.699 --> 00:38:37.679 she's cut off once again by Bella Hovlik and redacted 638 00:38:37.699 --> 00:38:42.340 had told you that before answer. Mm-hmm. She, I, she 639 00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:44.739 told me that, like, the night that I, like, had 640 00:38:44.780 --> 00:38:47.320 this whole conversation with her, and she told me about it. 641 00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:50.619 Bella Hovlik, okay, so she didn't just tell you you 642 00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:53.320 were going for a massage. She told you that there, 643 00:38:53.710 --> 00:38:57.110 you might have to take your clothes off? Witness, no, 644 00:38:57.210 --> 00:38:58.550 she didn't tell me that I would have to take 645 00:38:58.590 --> 00:39:00.789 my clothes off, but she said that if he jerks 646 00:39:00.889 --> 00:39:03.110 off in front of you, then you can get more money. 647 00:39:03.630 --> 00:39:07.480 Bella Hovlik, okay, so when he offered you the extra $ 100, 648 00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:14.179 you had a pretty good idea of what was coming next? Answer, yeah. Belahovlik, okay. Answer, and, um, 649 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.500 Belahovlik once again cuts her off. And when you say 650 00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:21.340 jerked off, what do you mean? Answer, he put his 651 00:39:21.389 --> 00:39:23.650 hand on his penis and started going up and down 652 00:39:23.730 --> 00:39:26.599 kind of fast. Bela Hovlich, could you see his penis 653 00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:31.639 at that point? Answer, yeah. Bela Hovlich, is that a yes? Answer, yes. 654 00:39:31.980 --> 00:39:34.360 Bela Hovlich, all right, go ahead. That went on for 655 00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:37.829 how long? Answer, a couple seconds maybe? Like, yeah, like 656 00:39:37.829 --> 00:39:41.610 40 seconds. And then after that, like the massage was over. 657 00:39:42.010 --> 00:39:44.329 And he went into, out of the door... back to 658 00:39:44.349 --> 00:39:47.030 wherever he goes... I couldn't see where he was going... 659 00:39:46.789 --> 00:39:49.610 because the door... was this way... and he walked out... 660 00:39:49.889 --> 00:39:53.130 and I guess he had like... his money behind the door... 661 00:39:52.929 --> 00:39:54.880 because it only took a couple of seconds... for him 662 00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:57.139 to come back into the room... and then he opened 663 00:39:57.179 --> 00:40:00.820 his money... like this wad... and gave me $ 300 bills... 664 00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:04.280 and told me thank you... and I... and then he's like... 665 00:40:04.260 --> 00:40:06.780 there's a notepad there... next to the couch... and told 666 00:40:06.820 --> 00:40:08.929 me to write my name and number... because I had 667 00:40:08.969 --> 00:40:10.789 a cell phone at the time... and he told me 668 00:40:10.829 --> 00:40:12.980 to write my cell phone number down... and how he 669 00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:14.940 could get a hold of me, and all this stuff. 670 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:18.739 So I wrote my number down, and wrote my name, 671 00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:21.159 and then after that he just left the room, and 672 00:40:21.219 --> 00:40:23.550 told me I could get dressed again, and that it 673 00:40:23.590 --> 00:40:27.630 was done. I was over. Belahovlik, did you actually see 674 00:40:27.670 --> 00:40:33.349 him ejaculate? Answer, no. Belahovlik, okay. Did he not ejaculate, 675 00:40:33.469 --> 00:40:35.829 or you didn't see that? Answer, if he did, I 676 00:40:35.849 --> 00:40:39.260 didn't see it. Belahovlik, do you recall telling Detective Pagan 677 00:40:39.300 --> 00:40:43.610 it happened in a different sequence? Answer, no. Bella Hovlich, 678 00:40:43.869 --> 00:40:46.210 and that he masturbated first before he put the vibrator 679 00:40:46.269 --> 00:40:49.860 on your vagina? Answer, maybe. This was like two and 680 00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:54.960 a half years ago, so... Bella Hovlich, okay. Witness, that 681 00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:57.800 could have happened. Bella Hovlich, do you recall not telling 682 00:40:57.820 --> 00:41:01.500 her about the vibrator at all? Answer, yeah. Bella Hovlich, 683 00:41:01.780 --> 00:41:03.880 the first time you talked to her? Answer, yeah, I 684 00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:06.940 remember that because I was scared. Bella Hovlich, okay, why 685 00:41:06.980 --> 00:41:09.440 were you scared about that? and not scared about telling 686 00:41:09.460 --> 00:41:12.400 her that he ejaculated in front of you, or masturbated 687 00:41:12.539 --> 00:41:16.300 in front of you. Answer, cause that's his body, and 688 00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:19.429 the vibrator's on my body. Bella Hovlich, so you didn't 689 00:41:19.489 --> 00:41:23.210 want to admit that you had allowed him to touch you? Answer, yeah. 690 00:41:23.610 --> 00:41:27.690 Bella Hovlich, and he gave you $ 300. Answer, yeah. Bella Hovlich, 691 00:41:27.929 --> 00:41:31.780 you left your number so he'd contact you again? Answer, yeah. 692 00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:35.230 Bella Hovlich, okay. When he left the room, what happened? 693 00:41:35.789 --> 00:41:38.429 You got dressed? Did he take you downstairs? You go 694 00:41:38.469 --> 00:41:43.860 downstairs by yourself? Answer, I just went downstairs by myself. Belahovlik, 695 00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:47.320 who was down there? Was the redacted still down there? Answer, uh-huh. 696 00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:50.099 The redacted was there, and the other girl was there, 697 00:41:50.260 --> 00:41:52.460 and the assistant lady. She might have been there, but 698 00:41:52.539 --> 00:41:55.260 I don't know. I can't remember. But then after that, 699 00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:58.239 we left. Like, they didn't do anything. They didn't. She 700 00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:02.079 got money, but she didn't do anything. Belahovlik, who? Who 701 00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:07.840 is she? Answer from the witness. Redacted did. Bella Hovlich. Okay, 702 00:42:07.860 --> 00:42:10.619 do you know how much money she got? Answer. I 703 00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:15.019 think it was $ 300 too. Bella Hovlich. Okay. Witness. Or 704 00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:19.079 maybe $ 200, $ 300. Bella Hovlich. Do you know what that 705 00:42:19.099 --> 00:42:22.969 was for? Answer. No. At the time, I thought maybe 706 00:42:23.030 --> 00:42:25.429 she did something with somebody else in the house. But 707 00:42:25.449 --> 00:42:28.190 then I was like thinking there was only Jeffrey and 708 00:42:28.210 --> 00:42:30.469 the lady there. Like I didn't think anything of it. 709 00:42:30.849 --> 00:42:33.619 And I, she's cut off here by Bella Hovlich. But 710 00:42:33.659 --> 00:42:37.320 did you learn that she got money for bringing you there? Answer, yeah. 711 00:42:37.590 --> 00:42:39.650 I kind of figured that when I got back home, 712 00:42:39.769 --> 00:42:42.489 like I was thinking about it for a while and 713 00:42:42.550 --> 00:42:45.190 I realized, well, it's probably because she brought me there. 714 00:42:45.630 --> 00:42:47.110 All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here. 715 00:42:47.489 --> 00:42:49.289 And in the next episode, we're going to pick up 716 00:42:49.610 --> 00:42:52.289 where we left off. All of the information that goes 717 00:42:52.349 --> 00:42:55.369 with this episode can be found in the description box.