Full Transcript for JD Vance Gets Heckled on Epstein, Brit Hume Says Trump is a Moron, David Cay Johnston Joins 10/20/26

America. Then when he did lose, 72 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:41.800 I'm sorry, when he did win, he suggested that he 73 00:04:43.100 --> 00:04:46.259 lost in certain places that he should have won, including California. 74 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:48.939 But more to the point, I mean, these are, you 75 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:51.250 can say, hey, these are the ravings of a guy who's, 76 00:04:51.689 --> 00:04:55.829 you know, he's nuts. He'll say anything. He'll always claim 77 00:04:55.870 --> 00:04:57.649 that he's a winner when he's losing. Look at what's 78 00:04:57.689 --> 00:05:01.850 happening in Iran. But what I'm saying is that it's 79 00:05:01.930 --> 00:05:08.230 more than just rhetorical. He has sent... the feds to 80 00:05:08.430 --> 00:05:12.949 seize the ballots in Fulton County, Georgia. He has sent 81 00:05:13.269 --> 00:05:20.600 the feds to other polling places and with demands to submit, 82 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:27.500 that is to say, give up the polling machines. What 83 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:31.459 do you call voting machines? The voting machines and the 84 00:05:31.540 --> 00:05:35.060 way in which the voting machines are constructed, that's proprietary 85 00:05:35.220 --> 00:05:38.949 and the feds have no business in it. But Trump 86 00:05:38.990 --> 00:05:47.350 has aggressively pursued this stuff. So he's setting the table 87 00:05:47.430 --> 00:05:52.779 for what will be clearly an effort to dishonor the 88 00:05:52.819 --> 00:05:57.399 election and not seat those who win in many races. 89 00:05:57.439 --> 00:06:00.379 This is my view. I've left out of that little summary, 90 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:06.360 I've left out the full-on assault suggesting that illegals are voting. 91 00:06:06.649 --> 00:06:11.649 People are in this country illegally. It's an utterly concocted narrative. 92 00:06:11.910 --> 00:06:15.629 There is no truth to it at all. And yet 93 00:06:16.490 --> 00:06:19.790 you have the feds, and that's your money and my money, 94 00:06:20.170 --> 00:06:25.139 being spent on somehow trying to gin up that entire scenario. 95 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:28.660 And it will have an effect on the election because, 96 00:06:29.500 --> 00:06:32.480 as I say, it's one more way in which they 97 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:35.759 can deny results. Did you see what. 98 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:40.920 They are alleging in California? They're saying they've filed, the 99 00:06:40.980 --> 00:06:44.879 Justice Department being the they, they've filed criminal charges against 100 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:49.310 28 people in California that they say illegally registered to 101 00:06:49.370 --> 00:06:51.170 vote and cast illegal ballots. 102 00:06:51.769 --> 00:06:53.089 I thought this was a big problem. 103 00:06:54.129 --> 00:06:57.449 Only 28? 28 people is not going to sway the 104 00:06:57.509 --> 00:06:58.430 outcome of an election. 105 00:06:58.430 --> 00:06:59.310 28 people? 106 00:06:59.329 --> 00:07:01.449 If you look at the 28, they're not illegal. They're 107 00:07:01.470 --> 00:07:02.709 not in the country illegally. 108 00:07:03.329 --> 00:07:05.430 I mean, say they were the worst of the worst 109 00:07:05.470 --> 00:07:07.290 and that they were, you know, they were they are 110 00:07:07.370 --> 00:07:09.889 not supposed to be voting and they they are snuck 111 00:07:09.930 --> 00:07:11.649 across the border just to cast a ballot. 112 00:07:12.060 --> 00:07:13.209 Say that's happened. 113 00:07:13.620 --> 00:07:17.839 Twenty eight. Well, I mean, just because you're talking about numbers, 114 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:19.899 if you look back in the history of elections, can 115 00:07:20.060 --> 00:07:24.839 you want to tell me how many illegal immigrants, that 116 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:28.660 is to say, undocumented immigrants voted in American elections? Go 117 00:07:28.699 --> 00:07:30.870 ahead and take a guess. I would imagine the number 118 00:07:30.949 --> 00:07:33.389 is quite low. In the history of elections, okay. 119 00:07:33.689 --> 00:07:34.769 In the history of elections, 100. 120 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:34.829 150. 121 00:07:34.819 --> 00:07:39.259 Oh, okay. I'll give you credit for that. 122 00:07:41.389 --> 00:07:44.629 I mean, it's a negligible number, as they say, right? 123 00:07:44.670 --> 00:07:46.629 I mean, it's not going to sway the outcome of 124 00:07:46.649 --> 00:07:49.189 an election. So they're telling me that there's a big 125 00:07:49.269 --> 00:07:52.420 problem where we've got to have a ballot measure in 126 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:54.480 the state of California to fix it because it's such 127 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:58.699 a horrible problem. And then you come out with these 128 00:07:58.779 --> 00:08:00.959 charges against 28 measly people? 129 00:08:01.740 --> 00:08:02.040 I don't know. 130 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:06.519 Indeed. Indeed. Well, it's good to have the whole crew here, 131 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:09.110 and we'll talk about that and more with guests upcoming. 132 00:08:09.550 --> 00:08:14.850 David K. Johnston, and Professor Alan Lichtman. The Mark Thompson Show. 133 00:08:14.910 --> 00:08:17.290 When I showed up to work today, Tony grabbed me, 134 00:08:17.860 --> 00:08:21.680 and he said, Mark, did you see the WNBA finals? 135 00:08:22.459 --> 00:08:24.279 And I said, Tony, I didn't realize you were such 136 00:08:24.339 --> 00:08:28.800 a women's basketball freak. And he said to me, there 137 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:30.800 are a lot of things you don't realize about me, Mark, 138 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:35.690 and one of them is I love WNBA action. I said, 139 00:08:35.710 --> 00:08:37.669 all right, well, what happened last night? He said, well, 140 00:08:37.710 --> 00:08:42.120 it happened before they even took to the basketball court. 141 00:08:42.139 --> 00:08:45.299 I said, well, what do you mean? It had to 142 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:49.360 do with the national anthem. Both the Dream and the 143 00:08:49.460 -->

00:08:53.440 Valkyries skipped the national anthem, and it's the second time 144 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:57.860 they've done it in the WNBA finals. They are required 145 00:08:58.460 --> 00:09:02.169 by their contract to to be out there and stand 146 00:09:02.230 --> 00:09:07.149 for the national anthem. And in two successive games, they 147 00:09:07.210 --> 00:09:10.289 did not. Tony, there it is, showing you the video. 148 00:09:13.860 --> 00:09:19.879 The protest, if you will, was implied because they didn't 149 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:26.909 actually state why they... wouldn't stand for the anthem. And 150 00:09:27.029 --> 00:09:28.429 what they did is they left the floor, as you 151 00:09:28.450 --> 00:09:31.289 can see there, less than a minute before the start 152 00:09:31.309 --> 00:09:34.129 of the anthem. And then they came back seconds after 153 00:09:34.169 --> 00:09:39.490 the singer sang the final note. And then Tony explained 154 00:09:39.509 --> 00:09:42.000 to me, Tony's where I get a lot of my information. 155 00:09:42.820 --> 00:09:45.269 Tony explained to me that the singer was who, Tony? 156 00:09:47.340 --> 00:09:52.019 Alanis Morissette. Alanis Morissette. Who is Canadian? 157 00:09:53.820 --> 00:09:55.649 Oh, It is. 158 00:09:55.669 --> 00:10:00.090 Why do they hate Canadians, huh? I, I, I, or something. 159 00:10:00.190 --> 00:10:02.970 I don't know. I, I don't know what the, uh, 160 00:10:04.549 --> 00:10:07.570 I mean, I think the implied message is clear, but 161 00:10:07.610 --> 00:10:10.980 they never even stated. And maybe that was smart that 162 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:14.779 they didn't state some sort of, um, you know, uh, 163 00:10:16.259 --> 00:10:19.080 treatise or mission statement or, you know, they just didn't 164 00:10:19.100 --> 00:10:19.669 comment on it. 165 00:10:20.820 --> 00:10:23.570 Uh, I don't know if the message is clear. I mean, 166 00:10:23.909 --> 00:10:25.929 is the message we don't like Trump or we don't 167 00:10:25.970 --> 00:10:27.490 like the direction America is going? 168 00:10:27.769 --> 00:10:30.639 Yeah, bingo. We don't like the direction America is going. 169 00:10:30.899 --> 00:10:32.799 That's it. I mean, you used to find it a 170 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:40.120 lot during the Civil Rights Movement. Certain high-profile black athletes 171 00:10:40.899 --> 00:10:47.450 would not stand in protest. Look, you got Colin Kaepernick 172 00:10:47.470 --> 00:10:51.840 who was on one knee. At least he told us why. Yeah, 173 00:10:51.860 --> 00:10:57.080 but I'm just saying initially he didn't. Once it got attention, 174 00:10:57.120 --> 00:11:00.700 he did. And then there were others who knelt with 175 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:03.220 him and all this other stuff. I mean, there's been 176 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:07.519 no lack of reasons to not stand for the National 177 00:11:07.580 --> 00:11:10.879 Anthem during the Vietnam War. I mean, all of these 178 00:11:10.940 --> 00:11:13.980 wars that America's been in, you can, on any number 179 00:11:14.019 --> 00:11:20.139 of things involving our Pentagon policy and our civil rights policy, etc., 180 00:11:19.980 --> 00:11:23.889 you can protest by not standing for the anthem. I 181 00:11:23.909 --> 00:11:26.250 will say something here, and I know that I will 182 00:11:26.289 --> 00:11:29.090 not be popular for this, but I think we play 183 00:11:29.129 --> 00:11:32.490 the anthem too much anyway. We play it all the 184 00:11:32.529 --> 00:11:36.230 time before every sporting event, and then there is a 185 00:11:36.350 --> 00:11:39.889 flyover with the military, so there's a conflation of patriotism 186 00:11:40.460 --> 00:11:42.220 and the military. And I don't mean to sound like 187 00:11:42.250 --> 00:11:46.539 some crazy, but I just think it's played too much. 188 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:49.370 If you want to hear a National anthems, I'll tell 189 00:11:49.389 --> 00:11:50.889 you where you go, where they play the national anthem 190 00:11:51.070 --> 00:11:55.120 a whole lot in authoritarian regimes. Go to North Korea. 191 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:59.179 They play the national anthem before movies. Before the movie starts, 192 00:11:59.620 --> 00:12:03.240 everybody has to stand for the national anthem. They play 193 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:06.240 it in Russia all the time. In the same way, 194 00:12:06.919 --> 00:12:10.820 before everything, before every kind of collection of people, they're 195 00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:15.169 playing that anthem. Now, I also see Why it's not 196 00:12:15.190 --> 00:12:17.190 that big a deal. We play the anthem before the 197 00:12:17.210 --> 00:12:19.480 sporting events. We stand up and it's not a big thing. 198 00:12:19.620 --> 00:12:24.460 You know what I mean? But I think it's defensible 199 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:27.840 to maybe, you know, move it back a click. Of course, 200 00:12:27.860 --> 00:12:31.440 we're going the other way. Somehow, by playing the anthem, 201 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:37.159 we reaffirm our patriotism. It's just an anthem. It's just 202 00:12:37.980 --> 00:12:40.970 a performative thing. But increasingly, I think America does a 203 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:44.289 lot of that performative stuff instead of real substantive stuff. 204 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:47.259 Wasn't there a story where the military was paying the 205 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:53.710 NFL to bring out veterans and flags and flyovers and 206 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:54.710 give them time? 207 00:12:54.730 --> 00:12:58.730 Oh, yeah. No, the military buys that from the NFL. 208 00:12:58.909 --> 00:13:01.210 Absolutely right. And they're smart to do it. I mean, again, 209 00:13:01.269 --> 00:13:04.809 you've really attached yourself to the most popular franchise in America, 210 00:13:04.850 --> 00:13:05.750 which is the NFL. 211 00:13:06.309 --> 00:13:10.509 I love this chat from Will in Detroit. National anthem 212 00:13:10.570 --> 00:13:14.899 flyover crap, he writes, is

propaganda and nonsense. Sincerely, us 213 00:13:14.919 --> 00:13:15.679 combat veteran. 214 00:13:16.259 --> 00:13:16.480 Yeah. 215 00:13:16.620 --> 00:13:19.870 I mean, there you go. Thank you for your service, 216 00:13:19.950 --> 00:13:22.009 as you said. And, and for that thought, I think 217 00:13:22.029 --> 00:13:26.250 that's exactly right. So, um, all right. Uh, continue with 218 00:13:26.269 --> 00:13:31.429 that did happen. And in game two of the WNBA finals, uh, 219 00:13:31.610 --> 00:13:35.100 Debbie in Idaho with a $ 20 super chat. And thank 220 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.159 you for that. We are live with super chats and 221 00:13:37.179 --> 00:13:41.120 super stickers. One way to support the show and appreciate that. 222 00:13:41.379 --> 00:13:42.610 And, uh, How does. 223 00:13:42.669 --> 00:13:44.409 Big shout out. Big shout out. That's what I want. 224 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:48.539 Recently returned from Fleet Week in San Francisco and a 225 00:13:48.620 --> 00:13:51.720 jaunt further north. Loved our time in San Francisco and 226 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:55.460 Northern California. Did not disappoint, especially a meetup with Kim 227 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:59.610 in Petaluma. Wow. It was one of the highlights, she says. 228 00:13:59.620 --> 00:14:02.049 It was fun. Thanks for meeting us, Kim. Yeah, that 229 00:14:02.070 --> 00:14:05.049 was really fun. I had a really good time. Wow. Kim, 230 00:14:05.110 --> 00:14:07.190 you could get on Kim's schedule. Big shout out. It's 231 00:14:07.230 --> 00:14:13.929 a very impressive booking. Kim is usually not available. to anyone. Um, 232 00:14:16.149 --> 00:14:19.529 I'm having, um, some lovely vanilla tea this morning. Kim 233 00:14:19.549 --> 00:14:22.659 says Miss Organic. Very good. Well, Miss Organic, we wish 234 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:25.840 you the best and thank you for, um, for jumping in. Uh, 235 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:30.379 I would love to do this quickly. And if I can, Tony, 236 00:14:30.419 --> 00:14:34.899 with your participation, I will. 237 00:14:35.620 --> 00:14:38.149 And I wanted to apologize to the Asian community, the 238 00:14:38.169 --> 00:14:39.330 Asian American community. 239 00:14:39.730 --> 00:14:43.720 JD Vance, um, is getting out there more, as you know. 240 00:14:43.909 --> 00:14:47.139 And I have a lot to share with David K. 241 00:14:47.179 --> 00:14:54.220 Johnston around J.D. Vance generally, but I think it's interesting 242 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:58.909 that he is so far out in front as the 243 00:14:58.950 --> 00:15:02.049 midterms are here, as though he can somehow help the brand. 244 00:15:02.690 --> 00:15:10.529 I'm struck by the fact that he is going low rent. 245 00:15:11.610 --> 00:15:15.070 in many of the ways that he's attacking hecklers, he's 246 00:15:15.090 --> 00:15:18.529 attacking those who disagree with his positions. Play me the 247 00:15:18.610 --> 00:15:24.409 first cut. This is J.D. Vance raging against the far-left 248 00:15:24.509 --> 00:15:29.980 cartel that doesn't love America, and then with his put-down 249 00:15:30.299 --> 00:15:32.279 of the heckler that shows up at his rally. 250 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:34.799 For too long, ladies and. 251 00:15:34.740 --> 00:15:36.899 Gentlemen, we have been ruled by corrupt. 252 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:44.139 far-left cartel that subjected this country to woke insanity for years. 253 00:15:57.350 --> 00:16:04.309 Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to have to admit something 254 00:16:04.509 --> 00:16:09.480 I said earlier. I said that we have. 255 00:16:09.700 --> 00:16:13.279 Had zero illegal border crossings in the United States of America. 256 00:16:23.019 --> 00:16:25.389 That's just such a low-rent bust, the guy. By the way, 257 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:27.460 it doesn't necessarily look Latino, but he could have been 258 00:16:27.500 --> 00:16:31.179 a Pacific Islander or whatever. It's not important. It's such 259 00:16:31.210 --> 00:16:34.309 a low-rent bust, but it's red meat to that largely 260 00:16:34.409 --> 00:16:39.049 white crowd. And again, this reminds me of the messaging 261 00:16:39.110 --> 00:16:42.590 that Trump did through all of his elections, through all 262 00:16:42.610 --> 00:16:45.830 the way back to 2016. It's the You know, white people, 263 00:16:45.889 --> 00:16:49.490 you're losing your land. And again, J.D. Vance is married 264 00:16:49.509 --> 00:16:53.549 to somebody who's not white, but the message is clear. 265 00:16:54.289 --> 00:16:57.320 And J.D. Vance is right on brand. In fact, J.D. 266 00:16:57.360 --> 00:16:59.980 Vance is so on brand that he defends the president 267 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:04.619 against the charges of corruption that have risen to the 268 00:17:04.700 --> 00:17:09.869 top of polling when it comes to Americans asked about 269 00:17:10.029 --> 00:17:13.230 the thing that bothers them the most about America now. 270 00:17:14.859 --> 00:17:20.160 Play me the question that he has given, Tony, about corruption. 271 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:24.180 I guess it's cut six or whatever cut you have 272 00:17:24.269 --> 00:17:25.720 up is fine. This looks like cut six. 273 00:17:26.069 --> 00:17:28.829 The president is making a lot of money off of crypto. 274 00:17:29.289 --> 00:17:32.190 His own IRS has barred itself from looking into his 275 00:17:32.289 --> 00:17:35.609 tax returns. You have this recent issue with the ambassador 276 00:17:35.630 --> 00:17:38.410 to Greece seeming to sell access to the White House. 277 00:17:38.769 --> 00:17:42.950 That's why people are concerned. And if there's nothing to hide, 278 00:17:42.990 --> 00:17:43.910 you say you've seen nothing. 279 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:47.019 First of all, somebody's still in access to the White House. 280 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:50.109 That's disgusting and despicable and they should suffer consequences. What 281 00:17:50.140 --> 00:17:53.589 I'm saying is I want to make those judgments based 282 00:17:53.650

--> 00:17:56.069 on the facts and not based on a random news 283 00:17:56.109 --> 00:17:57.049 media report that I read. 284 00:17:57.210 --> 00:17:57.710 Fair enough. 285 00:17:57.990 --> 00:18:02.210 So when the facts are being investigated, let's say in January, 286 00:18:02.230 --> 00:18:06.869 if there's a Democratic-controlled Congress, will you comply and honor subpoenas? 287 00:18:07.049 --> 00:18:07.390 Of course. 288 00:18:08.029 --> 00:18:08.630 Of course I will. 289 00:18:09.029 --> 00:18:10.990 Look, I mean, we follow the law. 290 00:18:11.019 --> 00:18:12.420 So what is.... 291 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:18.099 First of all, brushed off as a random news report 292 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:23.390 is actually a gaggle of news reports well-sourced that suggest 293 00:18:23.430 --> 00:18:27.650 that the White House is open for business. They're selling pardons. 294 00:18:28.250 --> 00:18:31.880 They're selling pay to play. They're selling all sorts of 295 00:18:31.910 --> 00:18:35.480 deals for that billionaire's boys club that makes up his cabinet, right? 296 00:18:36.460 --> 00:18:41.940 The corruption associated with the self-enrichment of Witkoff and the 297 00:18:42.299 --> 00:18:47.140 Witkoff son. and the Trump son and how they got 298 00:18:47.180 --> 00:18:50.119 together in the early days of this administration. And they 299 00:18:50.140 --> 00:18:54.250 started trading meme coins and other crypto on their own platform. 300 00:18:54.970 --> 00:18:58.970 And who bought all those meme coins and essentially launched 301 00:18:59.009 --> 00:19:05.960 that platform financially? Foreign interests. When Trump announced his big 302 00:19:06.019 --> 00:19:10.279 dinner for the top meme coin purchasers of the Trump 303 00:19:10.339 --> 00:19:12.819 meme coin, who were the top purchasers? Do you know? 304 00:19:13.990 --> 00:19:18.849 They were all foreign, foreign interests. So you see in which, 305 00:19:19.210 --> 00:19:22.559 the way in which I was going to say the 306 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:25.299 White House is totally corrupt, of course, and they're completely 307 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:29.140 open for business. Trump has said it in the ramp 308 00:19:29.220 --> 00:19:32.819 up to becoming president. Give me a billion dollars, he 309 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:35.599 said to the oil magnets, and I will let you 310 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:40.309 write the legislation. And he's essentially done that. Now with 311 00:19:40.730 --> 00:19:46.779 leasing of national lands, with national park lands being leased 312 00:19:46.819 --> 00:19:52.740 for mineral extraction. I mean, this is payback. It's pay 313 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:57.140 to play. So the idea somehow that, you know, oh, 314 00:19:57.299 --> 00:20:03.359 there's gambling going on here in Casablanca? It's crazy. But J.D. 315 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:06.549 Vance knows the hymnal, and he knows what he has 316 00:20:06.609 --> 00:20:12.240 to sing, and so he does. But his defense of 317 00:20:12.779 --> 00:20:16.099 the Trumps is unflinching, and he knows that is something 318 00:20:16.140 --> 00:20:22.839 he has to do. And yet, when asked about endorsing Netanyahu, 319 00:20:23.099 --> 00:20:30.289 as Trump did earlier this week, he wasn't so excited 320 00:20:30.349 --> 00:20:33.400 about the prospect. You've got the cut. Go ahead. 321 00:20:33.619 --> 00:20:35.529 Normally don't ask yes-no questions, but I'm going to ask 322 00:20:35.549 --> 00:20:37.309 you two and try to hold you to a yes-no. 323 00:20:37.900 --> 00:20:41.099 Over the weekend, the president endorsed Benjamin Netanyahu for a 324 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:42.019 re-election in Israel. 325 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:43.680 Do you endorse Benjamin Netanyahu? 326 00:20:44.009 --> 00:20:46.730 I endorse American candidates, and that's where I'm focused on 327 00:20:46.769 --> 00:20:49.029 is the midterm. So I'm not getting involved. 328 00:20:48.789 --> 00:20:50.210 In the Israeli election. 329 00:20:50.390 --> 00:20:52.349 So you're not, you don't want to say one way 330 00:20:52.369 --> 00:20:53.480 or the other whether you support him. 331 00:20:53.490 --> 00:20:55.710 I'm not anti-endorsing him. I'm not pro-endorsing him. I'm not 332 00:20:55.730 --> 00:20:57.349 getting involved in the Israeli election. 333 00:20:57.890 --> 00:21:01.410 Okay, I'm not anti-endorsing him. I'm not pro-endorsing him. I 334 00:21:01.430 --> 00:21:04.660 don't get involved, yeah. But it's funny, he was hot 335 00:21:04.700 --> 00:21:09.579 to trot to endorse Netanyahu. Viktor Orban. Remember, he went 336 00:21:09.900 --> 00:21:13.940 to Hungary. We ran the video for you when he 337 00:21:13.980 --> 00:21:17.480 was in Hungary with Viktor Orban giving campaign speeches for 338 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:21.720 Viktor Orban on the stump in Hungary. So it's funny, 339 00:21:21.769 --> 00:21:25.009 all of a sudden he recoils from this one. And 340 00:21:25.549 --> 00:21:29.049 just as I say, as a footnote, his boss, Donald Trump, 341 00:21:31.869 --> 00:21:39.230 enthusiastically endorsing Benjamin Netanyahu. So J.D. Vance knows when to 342 00:21:39.289 --> 00:21:43.490 take baby steps away from the Trump brand, but he 343 00:21:43.529 --> 00:21:46.170 knows not to really run afoul of the Trump brand 344 00:21:46.190 --> 00:21:48.890 when it comes to questions of corruption, etc., because he's 345 00:21:49.329 --> 00:21:53.390 well aware that that's how you lose magnation, and that's 346 00:21:53.430 --> 00:21:56.579 how they throw you out of Christendom. They throw you 347 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:02.640 out of the White House circle. I have, before David 348 00:22:02.660 --> 00:22:08.730 gets here, can I, Kim, look at the triumphal arch 349 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:12.160 and the golf course stuff? Can we have time for that? 350 00:22:12.759 --> 00:22:17.660 I think so. Give it to me, Tony, in what 351 00:22:17.700 --> 00:22:20.700 we call a chunk of Trump. Open wide. 352 00:22:20.799 -->

00:22:21.160 Ready? 353 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:23.910 Here comes your chunk of Trump. 354 00:22:24.109 --> 00:22:25.369 It's my favorite food. 355 00:22:25.509 --> 00:22:27.890 With your first bite, here's Mark Thompson. 356 00:22:27.910 --> 00:22:28.289 I have a. 357 00:22:28.309 --> 00:22:32.589 Feeling it's going to be beautiful. Well, you know, Trump 358 00:22:32.630 --> 00:22:37.250 has big plans to sort of reimagine Washington, D.C., And 359 00:22:38.049 --> 00:22:40.130 one of the ways he's reimagining it is, of course, 360 00:22:40.170 --> 00:22:44.319 with a little less East Wing and a little more ballroom. 361 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:47.119 He can't stop talking about that. But the Department of 362 00:22:47.180 --> 00:22:52.259 Interior is submitting its final plans for President Trump's triumphal arch. 363 00:22:54.309 --> 00:22:57.569 It's being submitted, this plan, to the National Capital Planning 364 00:22:57.609 --> 00:23:02.710 Commission for its review. There are updated traffic and lighting plans. 365 00:23:04.150 --> 00:23:07.130 And They call it the Monumental Arch and includes a 366 00:23:07.269 --> 00:23:12.509 golden-winged statue that resembles the Statue of Liberty standing on 367 00:23:12.569 --> 00:23:17.259 top of this 25-story tall arch holding a torch with 368 00:23:17.299 --> 00:23:22.380 the so-called, quote, eternal flame. The design is being proposed 369 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:24.579 so that the flame can be visible from all angles, 370 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:28.640 says the Interior Department, while maintaining visual comfort for drivers 371 00:23:28.700 --> 00:23:34.230 and visitors surrounding the environment. The placement of the flame, 372 00:23:34.250 --> 00:23:37.890 of course, was required by the FAA because they reviewed 373 00:23:38.450 --> 00:23:41.309 the structure and they said it has to be visible pilots. 374 00:23:41.410 --> 00:23:44.450 So they determined last month that the structure is going 375 00:23:44.470 --> 00:23:47.450 to be safe to aircraft flying in the area. It 376 00:23:47.470 --> 00:23:50.839 would be built at the foot of Arlington National Cemetery 377 00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:56.299 across the Potomac on National Park Service land. And look, 378 00:23:56.720 --> 00:23:59.880 this is a he's pushing this through. It's faced a 379 00:23:59.920 --> 00:24:03.039 lot of headwinds from the very beginning. But Trump seems 380 00:24:03.099 --> 00:24:06.500 committed to this triumphal arch. And I also will say 381 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:10.509 that he is committed to this golf course. I mean, 382 00:24:11.269 --> 00:24:14.769 this has been one of the most intense showdowns between 383 00:24:14.809 --> 00:24:18.970 the administration and the federal bench in Washington. Judges are 384 00:24:19.009 --> 00:24:23.349 saying this is not cool, what's happening, to overhaul this 385 00:24:23.450 --> 00:24:27.730 public golf course and move forward with what will be 386 00:24:27.769 --> 00:24:32.819

sort of an elite pro-ready golf course. And One of 387 00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:35.240 the things that the judge has talked about is the 388 00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:38.839 fact that the government representing the White House has said, 389 00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:41.519 we didn't really have any plans in the works to 390 00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:44.079 take down these trees where we're kind of waiting to 391 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:49.180 see what the legal judgments will be, etc. And the 392 00:24:49.259 --> 00:24:53.160 judge is saying, that's BS. You guys not only had plans, 393 00:24:53.220 --> 00:24:58.970 but you executed those plans. So the back and forth 394 00:24:59.009 --> 00:25:03.089 between Trump and The judge, I think, says two things. A, 395 00:25:03.339 --> 00:25:04.960 he wants to obviously to do this golf course and 396 00:25:04.980 --> 00:25:07.200 he doesn't want anyone to stand in his way. And B, 397 00:25:07.220 --> 00:25:08.960 and I want to ask David K. Johnson about this, 398 00:25:09.470 --> 00:25:12.730 I think on some level it's a litmus test and 399 00:25:12.769 --> 00:25:16.950 yet one more bellwether for the way he is going 400 00:25:16.990 --> 00:25:20.450 to treat legal judgments that go against him. I mean, 401 00:25:20.470 --> 00:25:22.539 you may view this as a smaller thing. It's not 402 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:27.009 a small thing. He's destroyed... 400 trees, and he's reimagining 403 00:25:27.029 --> 00:25:29.589 this part of Washington. But the big news, I think, 404 00:25:29.630 --> 00:25:31.829 is that he's pushed back on this judge and basically 405 00:25:32.230 --> 00:25:35.650 flipped a bird to the judiciary. He may do that, 406 00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:40.039 stay tuned, in the upcoming election as well. So that's 407 00:25:40.059 --> 00:25:41.119 your chunk of Trump. 408 00:25:45.809 --> 00:25:47.089 That's it for this edition. 409 00:25:47.130 --> 00:25:48.190 Well, I really enjoyed it. 410 00:25:48.210 --> 00:25:50.230 But make sure to join us again next time. 411 00:25:50.329 --> 00:25:52.589 I think you might want to listen. There's nothing wrong 412 00:25:52.630 --> 00:25:53.150 with listening. 413 00:25:53.289 --> 00:25:55.609 For another chunk of Trump. 414 00:25:58.269 --> 00:26:02.029 The Mark Thompson Show. Love to have our star player 415 00:26:02.089 --> 00:26:05.250 back in action. He's a Pulitzer Prize winning investigative reporter 416 00:26:05.309 --> 00:26:08.539 and bestselling author. When it comes to Trump and knowing 417 00:26:08.619 --> 00:26:12.079 Trump's moves through time, the making of Trump and what 418 00:26:12.140 --> 00:26:15.130 Trump is doing now, he is without peer. now a 419 00:26:15.150 --> 00:26:17.569 professor at RIT, David K. Johnston. 420 00:26:18.470 --> 00:26:19.210 Hello, Mark. 421 00:26:19.730 --> 00:26:20.289 Hello, sir. 422 00:26:20.309 --> 00:26:23.299 Glad to be back with you. Sorry I wasn't available 423 00:26:23.339 --> 00:26:23.819 last week. 424 00:26:24.420

--> 00:26:28.299 Yeah, I was concerned, actually. But, you know, I'm glad 425 00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:31.839 you landed on the flight deck safely and we're back 426 00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:40.849 at it. Look, I'm concerned about the upcoming midterms, and 427 00:26:41.069 --> 00:26:43.670 I'm concerned about them in a way that we've articulated 428 00:26:43.690 --> 00:26:47.119 on this show before. And that's sort of the undermining 429 00:26:47.259 --> 00:26:49.779 of the result, which seems to be the coin of 430 00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:54.420 the realm with Trump and his functionaries. And now with 431 00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:57.329 all of those functionaries in different positions at the Justice Department, 432 00:26:57.369 --> 00:26:59.769 kind of in the season two of Trump, they seem 433 00:26:59.869 --> 00:27:04.490 poised to make some really disgusting moves that all fit 434 00:27:04.630 --> 00:27:08.470 into the authoritarian playbook that they're working. I'm wondering what 435 00:27:08.509 --> 00:27:10.380 your thoughts are two weeks out from the election. 436 00:27:11.220 --> 00:27:14.049 Oh, I think that two weeks from today, we're going 437 00:27:14.069 --> 00:27:16.609 to have all over the country problems. So in many places, 438 00:27:16.990 --> 00:27:19.750 nothing will happen. I mean, there's no point in putting 439 00:27:19.829 --> 00:27:24.839 two cents into dealing with voting in San Francisco, for example, 440 00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:28.599 unless you want to harass people. But in terms of 441 00:27:28.700 --> 00:27:31.500 affecting the outcome of elections, that makes no sense. It's 442 00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:34.140 not going to happen here. But you only need to 443 00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:38.880 hit a few thousand polling places around the country. I 444 00:27:38.940 --> 00:27:43.660 have thought about where I normally vote. And to get 445 00:27:43.740 --> 00:27:47.039 to that place, you come down a major road called 446 00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:48.839 East Avenue, or as I think of it, the Avenue 447 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:52.660 of the Mansions, where all the rich folks lived 125 448 00:27:52.660 --> 00:27:57.339 years ago. And you could, a mile from the site, 449 00:27:57.579 --> 00:28:02.480 put up a checkpoint. And that alone would stop so 450 00:28:02.549 --> 00:28:07.509 many people, delay them, create traffic backlogs that a lot 451 00:28:07.529 --> 00:28:10.410 of people might just give up and not cast a balance. 452 00:28:10.589 --> 00:28:13.890 And there are many places like this. I also think 453 00:28:13.910 --> 00:28:16.150 what she said just before you had me come on 454 00:28:16.210 --> 00:28:21.119 is exactly right. Trump is testing with this golf course 455 00:28:21.210 --> 00:28:24.660 project where he's getting rid of, uh, running areas and, 456 00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:29.299 and play areas and other things besides golf. What happens 457 00:28:29.380 --> 00:28:31.160 if I tell a judge to go jump in the 458 00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:36.720 Potomac river? And, uh, That's part of the dry run 459 00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:39.779 here for maybe this election, but more importantly for 2028. 460 00:28:39.779 --> 00:28:44.400 We should all be extremely worried about this. Now, here's 461 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:50.769 the good news. Assuming the Democrats really romp two weeks 462 00:28:50.809 --> 00:28:52.849 from today, and when I say really romp, I mean 463 00:28:53.049 --> 00:28:55.720 not that they win a majority. They win the Senate, 464 00:28:56.740 --> 00:29:02.880 and they win a significant margin in the House. One 465 00:29:02.900 --> 00:29:05.890 of the first things they should do is start passing 466 00:29:05.950 --> 00:29:10.849 laws to constrain Trump's behavior, which makes it much easier 467 00:29:10.890 --> 00:29:15.210 to go into court and stop him from doing things, including, 468 00:29:15.250 --> 00:29:17.869 you know, you're not going to build this stupid, ridiculous 469 00:29:18.069 --> 00:29:21.150 arch so you can have snipers on top to kill 470 00:29:21.190 --> 00:29:26.250 Americans in front of Arlington National Cemetery. You're not going 471 00:29:26.269 --> 00:29:28.880 to tear down more trees, whether it's the cottonwoods in 472 00:29:28.910 --> 00:29:31.930 the desert on the southern border or or the oak 473 00:29:31.970 --> 00:29:36.240 trees in DC, and really reigning him in. 474 00:29:37.250 --> 00:29:39.970 Um, he'd have to, by the way, David, he'd have 475 00:29:39.990 --> 00:29:43.109 to sign any legislation that Congress was passing though, wouldn't he? 476 00:29:43.859 --> 00:29:47.779 Well, even if they can't get it past his signature 477 00:29:47.819 --> 00:29:50.039 and they don't have enough votes to override a veto, 478 00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:54.799 it's passing these things and just get it on the board. 479 00:29:55.099 --> 00:29:56.039 Okay. Yeah. 480 00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:00.269 Um, And here's the other thing I think, and this 481 00:30:00.349 --> 00:30:05.069 is the hopeful news. I think a number of Republicans 482 00:30:05.369 --> 00:30:08.970 will step forward if the Democrats romp two weeks from 483 00:30:09.009 --> 00:30:13.109 today and break with Trump. The fever is broken. There's 484 00:30:13.130 --> 00:30:16.769 no question that the Trump fever has broken. And I 485 00:30:16.829 --> 00:30:19.069 think there's a distinct possibility that we will see a 486 00:30:19.190 --> 00:30:23.829 number of Republicans say, we've had it here. You only 487 00:30:23.890 --> 00:30:27.990 would need, assuming the Democrats get a majority in the Senate, 488 00:30:29.390 --> 00:30:33.730 even if it's 51 seats, majority of one. You would 489 00:30:33.750 --> 00:30:37.690 only need 16 more people, Republicans, to side with you 490 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:40.740 to be able to remove him from office to override vetoes. 491 00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:46.900 And I think Trump understands perfectly well that his capacity 492 00:30:46.940

--> 00:30:48.960 and power are about to be taken away. And never 493 00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:51.819 forget what he said in the first term. I have 494 00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:54.690 an Article 2 referring to our Constitution that says I 495 00:30:54.730 --> 00:30:58.079 can do anything that I want. It says nothing within 496 00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:03.559 a million miles of that. It, in fact, severely constrains 497 00:31:03.779 --> 00:31:06.380 any president. It says you will be the errand boy 498 00:31:06.420 --> 00:31:08.299 of Congress. You will do what Congress tells you to do, 499 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:11.829 and you get to be commander-in-chief of the military. And 500 00:31:12.250 --> 00:31:17.130 Congress can do a lot to rein him in. Thirdly, 501 00:31:17.150 --> 00:31:22.730 third part of this, I am deeply concerned about Trump 502 00:31:24.299 --> 00:31:27.730 maybe making use of nuclear weapons. I mean, he keeps 503 00:31:27.809 --> 00:31:31.740 fantasizing about mass murder. He's been fantasizing about killing people 504 00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:38.420 for more than 35 years. And when he says, annihilate Iran, 505 00:31:38.460 --> 00:31:41.680 I'm going to wipe the civilization off the planet, I 506 00:31:41.700 --> 00:31:45.220 think Congress should be holding hearings starting in January on 507 00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:47.799 the military chain of command and the duty of military 508 00:31:47.940 --> 00:31:53.549 officers to refuse illegal orders. It's a very uncomfortable thing 509 00:31:53.589 --> 00:31:55.910 to do, but it's the nature of who we have. 510 00:31:56.259 --> 00:31:57.900 By the way, if you want to have a dramatic 511 00:31:58.019 --> 00:32:02.900 sense of what's going on with Trump, this Netflix show by, 512 00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:06.470 I think her name is Diane Kahn, who created it, 513 00:32:06.700 --> 00:32:15.359 starring Keri Russell, Rufus Sewell, called The Diplomat, is absolutely 514 00:32:15.500 --> 00:32:20.220 spot on. Allison Janney plays in the last three, part 515 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:23.849 of the one season and then the next two seasons, 516 00:32:23.869 --> 00:32:27.910 a Donald Trump-like doesn't really know anything and operates from 517 00:32:27.950 --> 00:32:31.759 the seat of her pants president who gets us into 518 00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:35.460 serious trouble. And it's really a very good dramatic presentation 519 00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:38.440 that can help you understand what's going on here with 520 00:32:38.460 --> 00:32:39.200 the Trump White House. 521 00:32:39.630 --> 00:32:43.259 I'm smiling because I'm hearing so much about the diplomat 522 00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:46.279 and I can't wait to jump in based on yours 523 00:32:46.619 --> 00:32:49.819 and many other endorsements. I think for any number of reasons, 524 00:32:49.859 --> 00:32:53.160 yours is a more specific related to sort of a parallel. 525 00:32:53.299 --> 00:32:54.099 It is to be clear. 526 00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:58.380 It's a

dramatic series. They do things that don't follow 527 00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:00.960 exactly how the real world works at all. So keep 528 00:33:01.009 --> 00:33:03.549 in mind that it's drama. It's not the real world. 529 00:33:04.630 --> 00:33:07.269 That said, yeah, I think it gives you a very 530 00:33:07.309 --> 00:33:10.609 good picture of what happens and the, tendency of people 531 00:33:10.650 --> 00:33:11.930 to do, sure, Mr. 532 00:33:11.950 --> 00:33:12.309 Or Mrs. 533 00:33:12.369 --> 00:33:17.970 President, whatever it is you want, and standing up to 534 00:33:18.009 --> 00:33:22.170 that person. And our role in the rest of the world, 535 00:33:22.230 --> 00:33:26.619 which Donald Trump has severely trashed, and which will, I 536 00:33:26.940 --> 00:33:29.599 don't think, I will be surprised if in what's left 537 00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:33.039 of my lifetime, we fix that. That's how badly he's 538 00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:33.339 done it. 539 00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:36.359 Oh, you see it. Do you see the way that 540 00:33:36.779 --> 00:33:39.240 the Europeans are rebooting? You see the way in which 541 00:33:39.289 --> 00:33:41.970 the Canadians are rebooting? I mean, they have a whole 542 00:33:42.069 --> 00:33:44.589 different vision of the future, and it doesn't involve the 543 00:33:44.630 --> 00:33:47.710 United States. And by the way, I'll double back to 544 00:33:47.730 --> 00:33:49.250 the Europeans here in a little bit, but I wanted– 545 00:33:49.269 --> 00:33:52.609 because before we leave the entire election situation, both of 546 00:33:52.670 --> 00:33:55.539 us are on record as saying that they're going to 547 00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:58.799 try to mess with the result without question, and it's 548 00:33:58.819 --> 00:34:01.000 going to be done in all of these different ways 549 00:34:01.019 --> 00:34:06.029 that imply chaos, et cetera. The– Vote itself looks as 550 00:34:06.109 --> 00:34:12.360 though it will usher in this tsunami of blue. But 551 00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.179 there is a kind of buzz that's percolating, which is 552 00:34:15.219 --> 00:34:19.340 that the GOP has outperformed polling in the past. And 553 00:34:19.699 --> 00:34:22.739 might they outperform it again? That's a buzz that they're 554 00:34:22.780 --> 00:34:25.099 kind of starting on Fox News Channel. But watch what 555 00:34:25.139 --> 00:34:27.639 happens when they try to float it past Fox. Brett Hume, 556 00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.340 who is a right-winger on Fox. It's cut five. 557 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:32.119 He is, but he's a very substantial person. 558 00:34:32.500 --> 00:34:33.900 Oh, no, he covered the White House. He was the 559 00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:36.159 White House correspondent for years. No, I completely agree, and 560 00:34:36.179 --> 00:34:38.059 I think that this buttresses that point. Go ahead. 561 00:34:39.739 --> 00:34:42.239 Yeah, there is, Brett, and you illustrated it very well 562 00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:45.619 with the examples you cited. Sometimes in the course of 563 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:49.639 a campaign, Brett, you'll see a candidate or a party 564 00:34:49.659 --> 00:34:53.300 that's trailing in the polls begin to catch some momentum. 565 00:34:54.989 --> 00:34:58.349 They hit on an issue. or an event turns public 566 00:34:58.409 --> 00:35:02.190 opinion in their favor. I haven't seen that yet. The 567 00:35:02.230 --> 00:35:06.369 president has been out campaigning vigorously, but I'm not sure 568 00:35:06.409 --> 00:35:08.610 it's making any difference, and what difference it's making I'm 569 00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:12.460 not sure is helping. You look at that situation, for example, 570 00:35:12.500 --> 00:35:17.440 in Texas. He's calling James Tallarico, Tallarico. Now, look, it's 571 00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:21.480 true that James Tallarico has endorsed some pretty exotic positions 572 00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:25.590 in his campaign, years in public life and that he 573 00:35:25.699 --> 00:35:28.300 is not on paper, at least, a very good fit 574 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:31.179 for the state of Texas. However, what he does not 575 00:35:31.219 --> 00:35:32.320 seem to be is a freak. 576 00:35:33.260 --> 00:35:33.780 You see him. 577 00:35:33.820 --> 00:35:35.699 He seems mild-mannered. He seems pleasant. 578 00:35:35.739 --> 00:35:39.440 He's not an unattractive candidate, whether you agree with him 579 00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:41.389 or not. And then you look at some of the 580 00:35:41.429 --> 00:35:43.510 events that have been happening, Brett. I mean, this cuddling 581 00:35:43.570 --> 00:35:47.750 up to Vladimir Putin at this moment and his turning 582 00:35:47.769 --> 00:35:54.599 his back seemingly once again on Volodymyr Zelensky. I don't 583 00:35:54.619 --> 00:35:59.219 think that plays well. Putin, the American public isn't really 584 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:03.300 sold on Zelensky, but it favors him, you know, by 585 00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:07.380 some margin. They can't stand Putin. I mean, the polling 586 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:11.000 on Putin is just terrible. Then you had this fiasco 587 00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:14.760 last week where they appointed this press secretary who might 588 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.300 with some time have turned out to be a competent 589 00:36:17.340 --> 00:36:19.550 press secretary, and they sent the poor person out there 590 00:36:19.989 --> 00:36:22.170 with no time to prepare really, only a matter of 591 00:36:22.190 --> 00:36:24.469 a day or two, and it didn't go well. Well, 592 00:36:24.489 --> 00:36:26.750 of course it didn't. It was crazy to send her 593 00:36:26.829 --> 00:36:29.750 out like that. So I don't see this White House 594 00:36:29.829 --> 00:36:33.719 and this campaigning by the president as having made much 595 00:36:33.780 --> 00:36:36.980 headway so far of the kind that you can sort 596 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:38.820 of see just watching the campaigning. 597 00:36:39.380 --> 00:36:40.719 Okay, so

David, go ahead. 598 00:36:41.739 --> 00:36:45.659 Well, one of the things you're seeing right now is 599 00:36:45.980 --> 00:36:50.550 some desperate effort to somehow claim We're really winning when 600 00:36:50.590 --> 00:36:54.309 they don't have anything. And everywhere you turn, you see 601 00:36:54.329 --> 00:36:58.760 that Trump has small audiences. They're not enthusiastic. He says 602 00:36:58.860 --> 00:37:02.079 things in front of these audiences that clearly there's no 603 00:37:02.179 --> 00:37:04.760 round of applause to them because they're not what people 604 00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:08.940 are interested in. Brett Hume was exactly right about Putin. 605 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:12.719 I mean, Donald Trump now wants to have President Xi 606 00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:17.239 of China, dictator Putin, and himself discuss the war in Ukraine. 607 00:37:17.809 --> 00:37:20.809 He reiterated either Sunday or Monday, I'm not sure where 608 00:37:20.829 --> 00:37:25.239 the rally was, that his baseless claim that Ukraine started 609 00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:31.719 this war. And now he's trying to say the reason 610 00:37:32.980 --> 00:37:36.309 when I was in California, I paid $ 7. 99 in the 611 00:37:36.349 --> 00:37:38.389 Central Valley to fill up the gas tank of my 612 00:37:38.469 --> 00:37:41.730 rented car and that diesel is over $ 8 is the 613 00:37:41.750 --> 00:37:47.650 fault of Zelensky. if you took all the diesel produced 614 00:37:47.730 --> 00:37:50.050 by the Russians and released it all to the rest 615 00:37:50.070 --> 00:37:52.320 of the world, that is Russia shut down its economy, 616 00:37:53.380 --> 00:37:57.119 you're talking about, um, maybe a one week supply of 617 00:37:57.179 --> 00:38:00.679 diesel for the whole world. The 300,000 tons of diesel 618 00:38:01.139 --> 00:38:03.280 works out to be a little more than 12 hours 619 00:38:03.340 --> 00:38:05.559 diesel in the U S that's not what's causing this. 620 00:38:06.340 --> 00:38:09.960 And Trump is counting on the poorly educated, believing his nonsense. 621 00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:13.039 The problem is the poorly educated are going to vote 622 00:38:13.059 --> 00:38:17.610 for him. Um, Nobody else is. You'd have to, you 623 00:38:17.650 --> 00:38:20.670 really have to be pretty damn stupid. And I mean 624 00:38:20.750 --> 00:38:25.510 stupid in the sense of you don't understand facts to 625 00:38:25.730 --> 00:38:27.969 be supporting Donald Trump at this point. 626 00:38:29.210 --> 00:38:33.380 They also are showing up hecklers in larger numbers at 627 00:38:33.409 --> 00:38:36.539 his rally. He's taking on a lot more in the 628 00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:38.940 way of hecklers than he used to. Play quickly, cut three. 629 00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:41.139 It's always with Trump, of course, he's a paid, these 630 00:38:41.179 --> 00:38:43.659 are paid, these are paid protesters. Go ahead. 631 00:38:43.980 --> 00:38:48.480 We get 49% more votes than we do in voters 632 00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:49.539 than we do when I'm not. 633 00:38:49.619 --> 00:38:53.400 So please pretend I'm on the ballot. And I am actually. 634 00:38:53.420 --> 00:38:57.300 You know what he is? 635 00:38:59.610 --> 00:39:18.190 They're paid protesters. They're paid protesters. Paid protesters. And I 636 00:39:18.269 --> 00:39:21.940 always say, now he goes home to mom and dad, 637 00:39:21.980 --> 00:39:24.659 they slap him around, they say, I voted for that man. 638 00:39:25.260 --> 00:39:31.429 They voted for me. What he's hearing more, David, is, 639 00:39:32.190 --> 00:39:34.969 and you see this in a J.D. Vance rally as well. 640 00:39:35.030 --> 00:39:37.010 I'd love to play you this quick cut. more about 641 00:39:37.050 --> 00:39:39.480 the Epstein files. I mean, there is a, you know, 642 00:39:39.619 --> 00:39:42.159 it's funny, that seems to have receded to the background, 643 00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:45.039 but it's not completely gone. Can you quickly play that, 644 00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:46.860 the heckle of J.D. 645 00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:47.280 Vance? 646 00:39:47.300 --> 00:39:49.739 For too long, ladies and. 647 00:39:49.699 --> 00:39:53.760 Gentlemen, we have been ruled by a corrupt, far-left cartel 648 00:39:54.099 --> 00:39:55.679 that subjected. 649 00:39:55.030 --> 00:39:57.210 This country to woke insanity for years. 650 00:39:57.250 --> 00:40:00.710 Police, the Epstein files! God bless our children! 651 00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:18.480 Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to have to admit something 652 00:40:18.940 --> 00:40:23.699 I said earlier. I said that we have. 653 00:40:23.500 --> 00:40:28.360 Had zero illegal border crossings in the United States of America. 654 00:40:36.409 --> 00:40:40.429 OK, so that is a bust on a person of color. 655 00:40:41.260 --> 00:40:41.530 Right. 656 00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:45.860 But again, who connects Epstein to everything that's going on 657 00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:46.579 with this White House? 658 00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:50.000 Well, there's nothing more dangerous to Donald than the Epstein files. 659 00:40:50.260 --> 00:40:53.420 And he knows this. And I've said on your show 660 00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:56.949 several times a long, long time ago, I don't believe 661 00:40:56.989 --> 00:41:00.389 Donald Trump can survive irrefutable proof that he is a 662 00:41:00.550 --> 00:41:04.750 serial child rapist. And I firmly believe that's what the 663 00:41:04.809 --> 00:41:05.849 evidence will show. 664 00:41:05.889 --> 00:41:06.409 I mean, I. 665 00:41:07.909 --> 00:41:13.010 Talked with Donald about related issues and his staff always 666 00:41:13.050 --> 00:41:15.000 thought his top people, that he was creepy on a 667 00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:21.500 number of levels. And so, and notice, notice that we 668 00:41:21.539 --> 00:41:25.809 don't allow anyone to have any questioning of what we're doing. Trump, 669 00:41:25.869 --> 00:41:27.530 a couple of days ago, and I'm sure you've played 670

00:41:27.570 --> 00:41:31.190 this on another part of your show, a woman, speaks 671 00:41:31.289 --> 00:41:33.889 up against Trump and immediately she's knocked to the ground 672 00:41:33.929 --> 00:41:36.969 and being kicked and beaten and Trump is encouraging them 673 00:41:37.050 --> 00:41:40.510 to do so. That's not a president of the United States. 674 00:41:41.010 --> 00:41:45.550 That is a dictator. And that's how Donald sees himself. 675 00:41:45.789 --> 00:41:50.449 And even if you like Donald Trump's policies, you know, 676 00:41:50.690 --> 00:41:52.820 God help you if you do, but if you do, 677 00:41:54.179 --> 00:41:57.699 supporting the president of the United States, urging violence against 678 00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:00.980 someone who disagrees with him should turn your stomach. And 679 00:42:01.019 --> 00:42:03.840 if it doesn't, you really need to get some basic 680 00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:05.000 moral checkup. 681 00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.039 Yeah. It was such an easy situation to lay off of. 682 00:42:09.139 --> 00:42:11.719 And yet, uh, Trump leaned in and it was about 683 00:42:11.780 --> 00:42:14.639 Epstein too, which is why it's very relevant. Um, the, 684 00:42:15.420 --> 00:42:17.860 I want to quickly, uh, ask you about what's happening 685 00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:23.139 in Europe. The, uh, the right is gaining real traction. Uh, 686 00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:26.619 maybe a right wing government may win in France. Uh, meanwhile, 687 00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:30.599 as you know, France has, uh, been, uh, informed in 688 00:42:30.619 --> 00:42:34.079 the last month or two with these protests that have 689 00:42:34.139 --> 00:42:40.079 turned ugly. Originally, it was students protesting poor funding for 690 00:42:40.139 --> 00:42:43.110 the educational system in France. But now it's kind of 691 00:42:43.230 --> 00:42:50.650 become a general strike about a protest about prices generally, 692 00:42:50.670 --> 00:42:53.630 about the cost of living in France generally. And of course, 693 00:42:53.650 --> 00:42:56.420 that spread to Europe, the right-wing rise. I wonder if 694 00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:58.480 you could speak to this and how that might manifest 695 00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:01.119 itself and show up maybe in America. 696 00:43:01.619 --> 00:43:07.139 Well, during and after World War II, serious conservative philosophers 697 00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:10.940 in Europe wrote about how did we get here. And 698 00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:13.340 what they pointed out was that if people did everything 699 00:43:13.389 --> 00:43:15.409 they're supposed to do, they showed up at work, they 700 00:43:15.590 --> 00:43:19.789 paid their bills, they saved some money, and they lost 701 00:43:19.869 --> 00:43:25.110 complete control of their situation. Then There's nothing they can 702 00:43:25.150 --> 00:43:27.489 do but turn to someone who says they will take 703 00:43:27.550 --> 00:43:29.889 care of them. And that's what Donald is. I alone 704

00:43:29.949 --> 00:43:35.980 can save you. And this holding the federal minimum wage. 705 00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:36.000 To $ 7. 706 00:43:35.900 --> 00:43:37.980 25 since 2009, and for waitstaff, for waiters, bartenders, people 707 00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:39.960 like that, to $ 2. 13 since 1993. So it's less than 708 00:43:39.980 --> 00:43:51.429 a buck an hour in real money today. creates an 709 00:43:51.730 --> 00:43:55.210 artificial floor to push down the wages of everybody who 710 00:43:55.250 --> 00:43:58.389 makes up to about $ 40 an hour. So if you 711 00:43:58.409 --> 00:44:03.690 make $ 1, 000 a week, $ 25 an hour, you'd be making 712 00:44:03.829 --> 00:44:06.150 a lot more money if the minimum wage had been 713 00:44:06.210 --> 00:44:08.750 raised to where it should be, which is around $ 26 714 00:44:08.690 --> 00:44:14.219 an hour. Not having sufficient income to live your life 715 00:44:14.460 --> 00:44:19.079 on a full-time job is creating an a state of 716 00:44:19.300 --> 00:44:22.769 fear and terror, and Donald is exploiting that. And at 717 00:44:22.849 --> 00:44:26.230 every chance, they describe, as you just heard J.D. Vance do, 718 00:44:26.309 --> 00:44:32.789 a left-wing cartel. These people hate America. Tallarico holds these 719 00:44:33.110 --> 00:44:35.679 views that don't fit with Texas. I'm sorry, he wants 720 00:44:35.739 --> 00:44:39.760 universal health care, basically with no out-of-pocket cost, like other 721 00:44:39.860 --> 00:44:45.000 modern countries have. He wants to have Social Security that 722 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.820 pays a minimum benefit so that you don't starve in 723 00:44:47.860 --> 00:44:51.039 your old age or we end up with senior suicides. 724 00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:55.809 And some other basic reforms for people. Those are not 725 00:44:56.150 --> 00:45:00.309 way out in space ideas. In fact, the Republican Party 726 00:45:00.550 --> 00:45:06.710 up through George W. Bush and Mitt Romney supported strengthening 727 00:45:06.789 --> 00:45:08.469 Social Security and its platform. 728 00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:12.829 It's funny that a lot of what you're talking about 729 00:45:12.849 --> 00:45:16.030 when it comes to cost of living, Social Security, entitlement programs, 730 00:45:16.769 --> 00:45:18.829 are now being talked about in the same breath with 731 00:45:18.869 --> 00:45:21.630 the kind of corruption, the unabated corruption that's going on 732 00:45:21.670 --> 00:45:26.489 in Washington. And Vance, who is taking on a more 733 00:45:26.530 --> 00:45:29.150 prominent role here as the midterms ramp up, and he's 734 00:45:29.190 --> 00:45:31.670 clearly got his eye on maybe the White House as well, 735 00:45:32.469 --> 00:45:36.920 was asked about corruption in this White House. It's almost laughable, David. 736 00:45:36.940 --> 00:45:38.260 Play for David if you would, cut six. 737 00:45:39.429 --> 00:45:41.110 I'm going to take heat for not spending the rest 738 00:45:41.139 --> 00:45:43.659 of the interview on this, but I'm just going to 739 00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:45.440 ask you one more. I know you don't spend all 740 00:45:45.460 --> 00:45:48.780 your time scrutinizing the Trump family deals, but are you 741 00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:51.199 saying to the extent you've seen information about them, forget 742 00:45:51.619 --> 00:45:54.010 the kind of scales of justice you say, they suffered 743 00:45:54.050 --> 00:45:55.449 a lot, so now they're making it back. 744 00:45:55.690 --> 00:45:57.070 No, no, no, I wouldn't say that. 745 00:45:58.590 --> 00:46:00.989 What I would say is I don't think there's evidence 746 00:46:01.030 --> 00:46:04.440 that the Trump family has become enriched by politics. I 747 00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:09.380 think that the fact that their lives were so destroyed, 748 00:46:09.420 --> 00:46:11.969 or almost destroyed, I should say, is I think evidence 749 00:46:11.989 --> 00:46:13.650 that they've sacrificed a lot for politics. 750 00:46:13.690 --> 00:46:16.550 Now, Don Jr. is a very good friend of mine. 751 00:46:16.909 --> 00:46:17.550 Don Jr. 752 00:46:17.590 --> 00:46:20.409 who, by the way, I've seen him ten times probably 753 00:46:20.429 --> 00:46:22.690 in my office in the West Wing. Has he ever 754 00:46:22.809 --> 00:46:26.079 tried to foist a business deal on me or tried 755 00:46:26.099 --> 00:46:28.300 to take a client of his and give them access 756 00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:29.420 to the Vice President of the United States? 757 00:46:29.539 --> 00:46:32.960 Absolutely not. Now, has Don made some money in business? Yeah, 758 00:46:33.139 --> 00:46:35.820 he has. But I guess I don't think the standard. 759 00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:38.739 Should be the president's son who's not involved in politics 760 00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:40.070 should not be able to live his life. 761 00:46:40.530 --> 00:46:42.130 I think the standard should be the. 762 00:46:42.070 --> 00:46:45.010 President's son should not be selling access to the president. 763 00:46:45.219 --> 00:46:46.510 And I see no evidence that's happening. 764 00:46:46.710 --> 00:46:50.530 And from their crypto deals to their ties to companies 765 00:46:50.550 --> 00:46:52.329 that have business for the government, you haven't seen a 766 00:46:52.449 --> 00:46:54.989 single deal that if they'd asked you about it, you'd say, yeah, 767 00:46:55.210 --> 00:46:56.989 I probably wouldn't do that one, even if it's only 768 00:46:57.050 --> 00:46:57.550 the appearance. 769 00:46:57.670 --> 00:47:00.130 Well, what I'd say is I haven't seen anything. 770 00:47:00.489 --> 00:47:03.059 Any evidence that they're selling access to their dad or 771 00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:06.460 selling access to public officials like am i an expert 772 00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:09.320 on every business transaction the trump family of the trump 773 00:47:09.460 --> 00:47:12.940 you know the the president's relatives or former business associates 774 00:47:13.219 --> 00:47:15.780

have been involved in no but what i'm saying is 775 00:47:16.179 --> 00:47:18.400 i wouldn't expect eric or don to not be able 776 00:47:18.420 --> 00:47:21.099 to earn a living and to me the question is 777 00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:22.440 are they selling access to their. 778 00:47:22.340 --> 00:47:24.019 Dad and i just don't think they are in all 779 00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:28.940 the presidents crypto so uh david Please. 780 00:47:29.059 --> 00:47:32.650 I mean, let's take the narrowest possible measure that we 781 00:47:32.690 --> 00:47:35.369 can have. Let us allow do it in a way 782 00:47:35.409 --> 00:47:37.869 that allows us to go back to Hunter Biden, who 783 00:47:38.309 --> 00:47:41.869 what he did, I think, is deplorable. But nothing he 784 00:47:41.909 --> 00:47:46.070 did was illegal. Nothing. He has no political power whatsoever. 785 00:47:46.730 --> 00:47:49.550 He got himself on a couple of boards, notably Burisma 786 00:47:49.590 --> 00:47:56.050 in Ukraine at ridiculously high values to. Let's put stock 787 00:47:56.090 --> 00:47:58.469 in a company, then get the U.S. government to either 788 00:47:59.130 --> 00:48:01.909 make it a guaranteed loan or directly loan it money 789 00:48:01.969 --> 00:48:05.809 from daddy's account known as the budget of the United States. 790 00:48:07.710 --> 00:48:12.800 The willful blindness and the lack of moral character of J.D. 791 00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:16.380 Vance are extraordinary. One of the issues the Democrats are 792 00:48:16.420 --> 00:48:20.039 going to face over the next two years is do 793 00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:23.250 they want to push J.D. Vance into the forefront for 794 00:48:23.269 --> 00:48:27.369 the Republican Party? Or do they want to tear him apart? Basically, 795 00:48:28.289 --> 00:48:30.429 they have to say, gee, is he the one who's 796 00:48:30.449 --> 00:48:33.690 the easiest to defeat? So we want to promote him. 797 00:48:34.699 --> 00:48:36.239 Or do we want to get him out of there? 798 00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:37.980 Because if he got in, it would be so awful. 799 00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:42.679 We could live with the immoral Marco Rubio, who used 800 00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:46.920 to say Donald Trump was a crook and whatnot, and 801 00:48:46.980 --> 00:48:50.159 now does whatever he wants. I mean, the Republicans are 802 00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:53.710 really facing a serious problem that should be obvious in 803 00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:58.909 about finding new leadership. But the Democrats face a similar 804 00:48:58.969 --> 00:49:01.530 problem in terms of who do they want to run 805 00:49:01.590 --> 00:49:04.469 against and how are they going to behave. 806 00:49:06.309 --> 00:49:10.530 It's funny, J.D. Vance also was pretty full-throated dumping on 807 00:49:10.590 --> 00:49:12.429 Trump before he became vice president. 808 00:49:13.429 --> 00:49:16.010 He said he was absolutely unfit to be president of 809 00:49:16.030 --> 00:49:18.929 the United States. And all of these people have shown 810 00:49:18.989 --> 00:49:22.840 that they lack moral character. They do not operate from principles. 811 00:49:24.699 --> 00:49:28.050 I don't like the positions of a number of politicians 812 00:49:28.110 --> 00:49:30.829 across the spectrum, but I respect the ones who operate 813 00:49:30.849 --> 00:49:34.269 with principle. In Washington, the Heritage Foundation has shown that 814 00:49:34.289 --> 00:49:38.900 they're pretty craven Cato is a libertarian organization, and they 815 00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:42.559 are consistent to their values. And the few times somebody 816 00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:45.449 has called them out and said, wait a minute, they 817 00:49:45.469 --> 00:49:48.010 immediately reassess and go, you know what? You're right about that. 818 00:49:48.050 --> 00:49:51.030 We didn't get that exactly right. And they reassess. And 819 00:49:51.070 --> 00:49:54.429 that's the difference between being principled and not. This is 820 00:49:54.550 --> 00:50:00.570 part of a deeper problem, Mark. Young people, and please 821 00:50:00.630 --> 00:50:02.349 do not, folks, think that I'm saying, oh, it was 822 00:50:02.369 --> 00:50:04.369 great in the good old days. That's not my point. 823 00:50:06.090 --> 00:50:08.530 We constantly have problems and we have to manage those problems. 824 00:50:08.550 --> 00:50:10.829 We don't solve problems. We manage them in public life. 825 00:50:12.090 --> 00:50:15.449 But most young people today have had no moral training. 826 00:50:17.030 --> 00:50:22.360 My parents were atheists. I call myself a devout non-believer. 827 00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:25.940 But I had to go to Sunday school with the 828 00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:29.139 Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and the Lutherans. 829 00:50:29.789 --> 00:50:34.289 because they wanted me to have some moral education outside 830 00:50:34.329 --> 00:50:39.130 the home and with the Catholics for a while. I 831 00:50:39.230 --> 00:50:41.519 asked my students the other day, can you articulate this 832 00:50:41.619 --> 00:50:45.599 moral principle? And these are juniors and seniors who are 833 00:50:45.659 --> 00:50:48.340 really good. They're the best class of students I think 834 00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:51.059 I've ever taught. And there was only one person in 835 00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:54.480 the class who really had the language and the familiarity 836 00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:56.619 and the comfort to be able to do this. And 837 00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:59.150 I've talked about this with many other people who teach 838 00:50:59.710 --> 00:51:04.769 public school or university across the country, friends, former colleagues, 839 00:51:04.849 --> 00:51:08.070 et cetera. And they all report the same thing. So 840 00:51:08.170 --> 00:51:15.960 somehow we're not inculcating underlying moral principles in people's lives 841 00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:18.179 in a way that resonates. That doesn't mean that they 842 00:51:18.219

--> 00:51:20.900 don't know right from wrong or something else. But if 843 00:51:20.940 --> 00:51:23.619 you can't articulate it, you're not feelable. 844 00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:28.619 Yeah, you make a good point because– and I have 845 00:51:28.659 --> 00:51:30.340 to say that at the– I don't mean to always 846 00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:32.880 make it a Trump dump. But at the top, you 847 00:51:32.920 --> 00:51:37.139 do expect public officials to sort of represent and reflect 848 00:51:37.219 --> 00:51:39.579 on some level a general– even if it's just a 849 00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:44.500 political benefit that you can get from performing in a 850 00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:48.440 certain way. As you pointed out, to sort of suggest 851 00:51:48.460 --> 00:51:50.960 that you're tolerant. Maybe you're not really tolerant, but you're 852 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:54.429 tolerant of opposing voices. I feel like that's left the building. 853 00:51:54.789 --> 00:51:57.860 It's sort of now my way or the highway. There's 854 00:51:57.889 --> 00:52:00.429 a tribalism now. I think it's all part of that 855 00:52:00.969 --> 00:52:03.739 change that we've seen evolve in America, don't you think? 856 00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:08.199 Absolutely. And this is a long-term issue. This didn't come 857 00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:11.539 out of nowhere. I mean, the whole Vietnam War opposition 858 00:52:11.539 --> 00:52:16.320 50 years ago was grounded in moral attitudes. Now, was 859 00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:17.639 there some, you know, I don't want to go get 860 00:52:17.659 --> 00:52:19.199 killed in the war? Sure, of course there was. That's 861 00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:23.199 true in every war. But it was grounded in Why 862 00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:26.900 are we killing these people in Southeast Asia? Why are 863 00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:30.480 we spending all this treasure on that? And that's gone. 864 00:52:30.500 --> 00:52:35.559 And the mindlessness of USA, USA, it's just mindless. It's jingoism. 865 00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:42.469 And hopefully we will see some leaders emerge over the 866 00:52:42.510 --> 00:52:46.909 next few years who will promote a more moral America. 867 00:52:48.889 --> 00:52:51.789 Some of the debates that have been held for governor 868 00:52:51.969 --> 00:52:56.940 and senator where the issue of access to women's reproductive 869 00:52:56.980 --> 00:53:01.489 health care has come up, reveal how utterly bankrupt the position, 870 00:53:01.510 --> 00:53:05.590 I am always totally pro-life. Well, you got to choose 871 00:53:05.690 --> 00:53:08.610 in this case. Baby's going to die and there are 872 00:53:08.630 --> 00:53:11.230 five kids already or mama's going to die. What do 873 00:53:11.250 --> 00:53:12.409 you do? Well, I'm pro-life. 874 00:53:12.750 --> 00:53:14.050 That's A, not an answer. 875 00:53:14.170 --> 00:53:16.389 And B, I think the answer to that, because I've 876 00:53:16.510 --> 00:53:20.960 literally been in that situation, is pretty clear. Kid's going 877 00:53:20.980 --> 00:53:22.739 to die if you have to make a choice because 878 00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:27.460 you otherwise have five children without a mother. But this mindlessness, 879 00:53:27.619 --> 00:53:32.980 this need to control women's bodies, this need to denigrate 880 00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:38.440 women is fundamental to who these people around Trump are. 881 00:53:39.460 --> 00:53:42.500 And then this lethality. I mean, the purpose of a 882 00:53:42.539 --> 00:53:46.059 military is to not use it. It is not to 883 00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:50.320 kill all the people you can. And by the way, 884 00:53:50.420 --> 00:53:56.409 how bizarre that what Pete Hegseth is proposing with his 885 00:53:56.449 --> 00:54:02.469 testosterone injections and those stuff is basically gender affirming care. 886 00:54:04.510 --> 00:54:05.889 I never thought of it from that perspective. 887 00:54:06.530 --> 00:54:09.730 The irony of this is just like. And they don't 888 00:54:09.769 --> 00:54:11.530 see it, of course. They're completely blind to it. 889 00:54:12.949 --> 00:54:15.610 David, I love that you're back. Thank you for joining us. 890 00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:19.829 There was one quick question, I think. Let me get it. 891 00:54:20.860 --> 00:54:21.420 It may be. 892 00:54:21.699 --> 00:54:24.349 What's Trump's biggest lie? 893 00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:27.239 Harry is asking that. What's Trump's biggest lie? I don't know. 894 00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:31.059 Oh, that I alone... I'm the only person qualified to 895 00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:35.929 be president. Donald is completely unqualified to be president. I mean, 896 00:54:35.949 --> 00:54:39.789 the reason... I started paying such close attention to him 897 00:54:39.889 --> 00:54:43.099 in 1988. It wasn't just that he was a great story. 898 00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:46.280 He was. But I could see this guy getting to 899 00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:51.179 the White House. And I was terrified is a bit strong, 900 00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:57.639 but I was really deeply disturbed about that because he's incompetent. 901 00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:03.630 He knows nothing. He's crazy. And there's lots of evidence. 902 00:55:04.230 --> 00:55:06.730 Even back then, there was lots of evidence that that 903 00:55:06.789 --> 00:55:12.170 he doesn't see an age barrier about women. Oh, and 904 00:55:12.190 --> 00:55:13.550 girls of course are not women. 905 00:55:15.570 --> 00:55:19.159 Uh, the, the treatment of women also within this administration, 906 00:55:19.219 --> 00:55:23.300 clearly they're the ones who are the most expendable, you know? Uh, but, uh, 907 00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:26.659 I wanted to, uh, also quickly, I know I'm, I 908 00:55:26.679 --> 00:55:29.440 got another minute or so. I want to, uh, read 909 00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:35.579 you this email that came in asking essentially, um, I 910 00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:37.659 believe the Department of Justice has to do the work 911 00:55:37.840 -->

00:55:42.840 on RICO, the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act. They're 912 00:55:43.139 --> 00:55:48.550 basically saying to go after and dismantle the corruption of Trump, 913 00:55:49.070 --> 00:55:53.630 the RICO Act needs to be employed. Can you explain 914 00:55:53.650 --> 00:55:54.630 what that is from Jeanette? 915 00:55:54.650 --> 00:55:58.190 Yes, I can. And I'm teaching white collar crime this semester, 916 00:55:58.309 --> 00:56:00.610 and specifically the RICO Act is a big part of that. 917 00:56:01.210 --> 00:56:04.210 A guy named Robert Blakey was a career prosecutor. he 918 00:56:04.250 --> 00:56:07.750 realized that we were not succeeding in getting mobsters because 919 00:56:07.869 --> 00:56:10.489 if somebody became a turncoat, they just kill that turncoat. 920 00:56:11.469 --> 00:56:14.610 And we needed some other law in order to convict people, 921 00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:18.500 particularly because of deniability. There's a great scene in the 922 00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:22.500 beginning of Goodfellas where the guy who plays the head 923 00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:25.079 of the mob, nobody speaks to him. The guy who 924 00:56:25.099 --> 00:56:28.039 wants something speaks to an intermediary who then speaks to him, 925 00:56:28.059 --> 00:56:32.460 who brings back the message. And The Racketeering Influence and 926 00:56:32.500 --> 00:56:36.019 Corrupt Organizations Act allows you to go after the whole conspiracy. 927 00:56:36.820 --> 00:56:40.719 And in conspiracy law, you and I, you're in Studio City, right? 928 00:56:40.900 --> 00:56:43.530 I'm in Rochester, New York. We can still be in 929 00:56:43.550 --> 00:56:48.769 a conspiracy. You need one affirmative act and you can 930 00:56:48.809 --> 00:56:52.690 get the whole operation. Now, this Justice Department is never 931 00:56:52.710 --> 00:56:55.570 going to go after anybody in the Trump administration. And 932 00:56:55.710 --> 00:56:58.670 I don't know what tolerance the public will have for 933 00:56:58.730 --> 00:57:01.530 going after people in the Trump administration after it's over. 934 00:57:02.530 --> 00:57:06.030 I certainly think the selling of pardons is something that 935 00:57:06.210 --> 00:57:12.840 should be gone after without hesitation. And some of these 936 00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:16.559 corrupt business deals should be gone after. But the focus 937 00:57:16.619 --> 00:57:18.980 ought to be on building a better economy that works 938 00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:23.460 for everybody. We've had now 45 years of government of, by, 939 00:57:23.500 --> 00:57:27.550 and for the rich that began with Ronald Reagan. A 940 00:57:27.570 --> 00:57:30.150 little bit happened under Carter, but that was not his 941 00:57:30.269 --> 00:57:34.050 direct goal. His goal was pulling back on regulations and 942 00:57:34.090 --> 00:57:40.219 that happened to play into this. So the Racketeering Influenced 943 00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:43.559 and Corrupt Organizations Act is a very powerful tool, as 944 00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:46.559 is conspiracy law, which is tied up with that. There 945 00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:50.099 are 35, I think that's 35, maybe it's 36, specific 946 00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:55.750 crimes covered by it and absolutely should be used. Many 947 00:57:55.909 --> 00:57:59.829 states have a state RICO, and some of the other 948 00:57:59.869 --> 00:58:02.360 things that have taken place, I believe, can be prosecuted 949 00:58:02.389 --> 00:58:08.300 by state prosecutors. So you may see people like the 950 00:58:08.340 --> 00:58:17.139 attorney general in Minnesota, Ellison, maybe Bonta in California, go 951 00:58:17.300 --> 00:58:21.630 after some state-level RICO cases. But yes, that's the way 952 00:58:21.670 --> 00:58:25.030 to get at these things. But we should focus on 953 00:58:25.070 --> 00:58:30.320 the people corrupting the government in doing this, not necessarily, 954 00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:32.320 you know, gee, it'd be great to see Don Jr. 955 00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:34.800 go to prison. That's not going to sell well generally 956 00:58:34.820 --> 00:58:37.219 with the public, even though he's corrupt as can be. 957 00:58:38.050 --> 00:58:40.889 You want to go after the corrupting of the system. 958 00:58:42.050 --> 00:58:43.349 And they're probably going to have to spend a little bit. 959 00:58:43.789 --> 00:58:44.030 I'm sorry. 960 00:58:44.050 --> 00:58:45.750 No, I was just going to say it's so interesting because, 961 00:58:45.769 --> 00:58:49.110 of course, Trump rode to power on I'm going to 962 00:58:49.449 --> 00:58:52.820 take vengeance for myself and for you. My vengeance is 963 00:58:52.860 --> 00:58:54.019 your vengeance type thing. 964 00:58:54.039 --> 00:58:56.780 And I think the Democrats would be foolish if they're 965 00:58:56.820 --> 00:58:59.179 not better than that. They don't say, we're going to 966 00:58:59.219 --> 00:59:01.239 do a lot, but we're not going to sink to 967 00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:04.909 your level. You know, Michelle Obama's phrase, when they go low, 968 00:59:04.949 --> 00:59:05.550 we go high. 969 00:59:06.130 --> 00:59:06.929 You can't do what Biden did. 970 00:59:06.949 --> 00:59:12.780 You can't, you know. let people who voted against your 971 00:59:13.110 --> 00:59:15.900 infrastructure project show up and turn a shovel, which is 972 00:59:15.940 --> 00:59:20.099 what he did. He tried to rise above it, and 973 00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:22.099 Trump has made it clear that if you didn't vote 974 00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:24.820 for me, I don't care that a hurricane took out 975 00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:26.960 your whole town. I'm not giving you guys any money. 976 00:59:28.780 --> 00:59:31.239 we need to be president of the whole country and 977 00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:34.980 we need to break that culture. And part of that, 978 00:59:35.059 --> 00:59:39.719 I hope will be discussions about building a broadly prosperous. 979 00:59:40.409 --> 00:59:46.329 It's my

next book, broadly prosperous and moral society. 980 00:59:47.730 --> 00:59:51.230 Well, you've started this conversation with a reference to something 981 00:59:51.250 --> 00:59:54.610 that I feel is so important. And that is that 982 00:59:54.670 --> 00:59:57.690 when the Democrats come, do take power and when they 983 00:59:57.769 --> 01:00:01.550 actually get in, what they do is very important. And 984 01:00:01.610 --> 01:00:04.969 you can begin to at least put on the board, 985 01:00:05.030 --> 01:00:08.369 as you said, even if Trump rejects it, a legislation 986 01:00:08.389 --> 01:00:11.750 that is designed to curb corruption generally. And I think 987 01:00:11.789 --> 01:00:14.690 that based on polling, that would land very well with 988 01:00:14.730 --> 01:00:16.889 an American populace that's had enough of the corruption. 989 01:00:16.909 --> 01:00:17.590 Yeah. 990 01:00:17.690 --> 01:00:20.269 And, you know, as my wife, the mother of two 991 01:00:20.289 --> 01:00:23.219 of my kids and mother to all eight of them, 992 01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:27.139 and a CEO until she retired, used to always say, David, 993 01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:30.500 pick your fights, let it go, unless it's that, you know, 994 01:00:30.539 --> 01:00:33.260 why is it that important? Pick your fights. The Democrats 995 01:00:33.300 --> 01:00:36.280 need to pick their fights, and they need to do 996 01:00:36.340 --> 01:00:41.119 so strategically and in the public interest. They don't have 997 01:00:41.139 --> 01:00:44.280 the resources to go after everything. They want to go 998 01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:47.719 after things that will resonate broadly with people, even if 999 01:00:47.780 --> 01:00:49.590 they will never vote for a Democrat. 1000 01:00:50.989 --> 01:00:53.989 David, so grateful. For your time, thanks for coming through. 1001 01:00:54.010 --> 01:00:54.630 See you next week. 1002 01:00:54.650 --> 01:00:58.210 See you next week. David K. Johnston, everybody. Right on. 1003 01:01:01.110 --> 01:01:02.269 The Mark Thompson Show. 1004 01:01:04.489 --> 01:01:05.170 It was great. 1005 01:01:05.250 --> 01:01:05.730 I loved it. 1006 01:01:07.769 --> 01:01:10.070 How would you handle this? We could try ignoring it, sir. 1007 01:01:11.260 --> 01:01:11.659 Morning. 1008 01:01:12.900 --> 01:01:15.659 You cannot say you love your country. Where are my 1009 01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:16.960 weed smokers at? 1010 01:01:17.019 --> 01:01:18.340 Stay at home and get baked. 1011 01:01:20.150 --> 01:01:22.409 Thanks for being here, everybody. Smash the like button if 1012 01:01:22.429 --> 01:01:24.070 you would. I know it's a stupid little thing, but 1013 01:01:24.110 --> 01:01:26.929 it helps us in the YouTube universe. Smash it with 1014 01:01:26.989 --> 01:01:29.010 your iron rod. Yeah, do it with your iron rod. 1015 01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:32.280 And subscribe to the show. It's free, of course, to you. 1016 01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:36.480 And we are really on this platform, YouTube

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--> 01:03:39.699 We have Professor Alan Lichtman on the way in. I 1051 01:03:39.909 --> 01:03:42.389 don't know if you know this about him, but he's 1052 01:03:42.449 --> 01:03:44.849 something of a presidential. 1053 01:03:48.010 --> 01:03:49.329 prediction expert. 1054 01:03:49.869 --> 01:03:53.699 And recently I saw an article where he's predicting that 1055 01:03:54.030 --> 01:03:56.719 the Democrats will take back the Senate. So we'll ask 1056 01:03:56.760 --> 01:03:59.099 him about that and a lot more. That is all 1057 01:03:59.139 --> 01:04:00.639 coming up here on the Mark Thompson Show. 1058 01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:06.469 Indeed. Thank you. Thank you for that delayed smattering of 1059 01:04:06.510 --> 01:04:10.469 recorded applause. I appreciate that. I'm excited that he is back. 1060 01:04:11.630 --> 01:04:13.670 I must tell you that I've got mad respect for 1061 01:04:13.789 --> 01:04:20.139 Alan Lichtman, acclaimed historian, professor for years and real dynamism 1062 01:04:20.179 --> 01:04:23.500 when it comes to the way that he educates. He 1063 01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:29.329 is a civil rights advocate and, as I say, acclaimed historian. 1064 01:04:29.369 --> 01:04:33.429 His latest book is Great American Presidents, the Twelve Who 1065 01:04:33.510 --> 01:04:38.190 Transformed the Nation. And I found out a fact about 1066 01:04:38.429 --> 01:04:43.789 Alan Lichtman, and it is kind of fun. When he 1067 01:04:43.829 --> 01:04:48.019 was in California in the 1980s, he was a visiting 1068 01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:51.940 professor at the California Institute of Technology and had a 1069 01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:58.980 17-episode stint on the game show Tic-Tac-Dough. What? I know. 1070 01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:03.360 And just to answer the question, did he win, he 1071 01:05:03.409 --> 01:05:05.989 won $ 100, 000 on that show. 1072 01:05:06.030 --> 01:05:06.210 What? 1073 01:05:06.309 --> 01:05:11.050 How about it from Washington, D.C., Professor Alan Lichtman. 1074 01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:14.360 Hey, that was cash and prizes, but it was a 1075 01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:15.820 lot of money in 1981. That's incredible. 1076 01:05:15.980 --> 01:05:19.010 I was the big free show winner of that year. 1077 01:05:19.610 --> 01:05:24.130 You saw the movie about Tic-Tac-Dough. Tic-Tac-Dough, wasn't that the 1078 01:05:24.230 --> 01:05:27.329 one with the whammies or not? Maybe not. 1079 01:05:27.449 --> 01:05:29.570 No, that was the one with the Tic-Tac-Dough board. Wink 1080 01:05:29.650 --> 01:05:33.630 Martindale was the host, the famous Wink Martindale, not the 1081 01:05:33.690 --> 01:05:35.869 defensive coordinator in the NFL. 1082 01:05:36.389 --> 01:05:36.610 Right. 1083 01:05:36.809 --> 01:05:39.929 Recently passed away at a ripe old age. 1084 01:05:40.510 --> 01:05:43.000 I played tennis with Wink Martindale, and I didn't know 1085 01:05:43.019 --> 01:05:44.440 it was going to be. He was in a doubles 1086 01:05:44.500 --> 01:05:46.559 thing in Palm Springs, and I thought, oh, my God, 1087 01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:50.119 this is the most Hollywood thing, that it's Wink Martindale. 1088 01:05:50.139 --> 01:05:52.260 I think he had, in my memory, he had a 1089 01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:56.670 Rolls Royce, like a red Rolls Royce. That's maybe my memory, 1090 01:05:56.710 --> 01:05:57.829 like ginning it up a little bit. 1091 01:05:57.849 --> 01:05:58.809 Wouldn't surprise me one bit. 1092 01:05:59.250 --> 01:06:03.449 Yeah, really wild. Professor Lichtman, it's so great that you're here. 1093 01:06:03.570 --> 01:06:08.030 I've invited... listeners and viewers to real time ask us 1094 01:06:08.090 --> 01:06:12.050 questions and ask you questions, really. And I hope people 1095 01:06:12.070 --> 01:06:14.389 will take advantage of that. But let me ask you, 1096 01:06:15.050 --> 01:06:17.130 as an historian, it seems as though this is an 1097 01:06:17.190 --> 01:06:22.829 inflection moment in American political culture, how you assess what's 1098 01:06:22.849 --> 01:06:25.070 going to happen in two weeks in the midterms and 1099 01:06:25.409 --> 01:06:29.130 how you assess generally the state of politics in America 1100 01:06:29.190 --> 01:06:31.489 and how that might play out in those two weeks. 1101 01:06:32.010 --> 01:06:35.789 Thanks for asking me the small questions, Mark. There have 1102 01:06:35.829 --> 01:06:40.329 been other critical inflection points. I'll just point to a couple. 1103 01:06:40.690 --> 01:06:47.530 Of course, 1860, when the long-simmering conflict over slavery, so 1104 01:06:47.570 --> 01:06:50.739 many decades came to a head with the secession of 1105 01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:54.139 the South, which occurred to a great extent even before 1106 01:06:54.300 --> 01:06:59.019 Abraham Lincoln was elected president. And both sides, the North 1107 01:06:59.059 --> 01:07:01.460 and the South, thought the Civil War would end quickly. 1108 01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:05.039 The South would end quickly. They thought because of their 1109 01:07:05.099 --> 01:07:09.780 superior generalship and military, the North thought it would end 1110 01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:14.260 quickly because of the superior numbers, arms, and industry. They 1111 01:07:14.300 --> 01:07:17.550 were both wrong. The war dragged on for four bloody years. 1112 01:07:17.949 --> 01:07:22.289 And in the re-election of 1864, few people know this, 1113 01:07:22.429 --> 01:07:26.710 Abraham Lincoln wrote a personal letter saying he expected to 1114 01:07:26.789 --> 01:07:31.289 lose in 1864, and he hoped to cooperate with the 1115 01:07:31.349 --> 01:07:35.809 winner in his former General McClellan, to keep the Union together. 1116 01:07:36.150 --> 01:07:39.130 Of course, the great victories of General Sherman and Grant 1117 01:07:39.409 --> 01:07:42.969 turned things around. The other great inflection point, of course, 1118 01:07:43.010 --> 01:07:46.710 was 1932. The nation was in despair. It was the 1119 01:07:46.849 -->

01:07:52.389 bottom of the Great Depression. Americans believed that perhaps American 1120 01:07:52.449 --> 01:07:58.070 prosperity was over. Perhaps American society was in permanent decline. 1121 01:07:58.469 --> 01:08:01.329 And FDR turned that around. not just with his New 1122 01:08:01.349 --> 01:08:05.690 Deal programs, but with his stirring rhetoric that gave Americans hope. 1123 01:08:05.969 --> 01:08:08.550 We have nothing to fear but fear again. Now we're 1124 01:08:08.610 --> 01:08:13.139 at another inflection point. Just as importantly, we have a 1125 01:08:13.199 --> 01:08:18.640 president who cares nothing about democratic norms, who is inclined 1126 01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:22.159 to be an authoritarian, whose favorite leaders around the world 1127 01:08:22.380 --> 01:08:26.819 are the worst murderous dictatorial thugs like Vladimir Putin and 1128 01:08:26.899 --> 01:08:32.199 Kim Jong-un. This is a chance to not stop, but 1129 01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:36.619 at least check the grave threats to American democracy that 1130 01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:40.899 are posed right now. So this is yet another big 1131 01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:45.560 inflection point, perhaps differently than the Civil War and the 1132 01:08:45.619 --> 01:08:49.510 Great Depression, but no less perilous for the future of 1133 01:08:49.609 --> 01:08:51.489 our society and our country. 1134 01:08:51.909 --> 01:08:56.149 You frame it so well. And uh i wonder even 1135 01:08:56.220 --> 01:08:59.020 as you describe trump in just that way and you 1136 01:08:59.220 --> 01:09:01.180 i think broad strokes i think you could have gotten 1137 01:09:01.220 --> 01:09:03.300 into all the other ways you know with the open 1138 01:09:03.340 --> 01:09:07.369 corruption and this sort of thing but uh I wonder, 1139 01:09:07.409 --> 01:09:10.449 it almost seems un-American, this president that we have, in 1140 01:09:10.489 --> 01:09:12.810 terms of what he's doing and the way he's sidling 1141 01:09:12.869 --> 01:09:15.750 up to these authoritarian leaders, etc. But let me ask 1142 01:09:15.770 --> 01:09:19.000 you about what he's doing with the American levers of 1143 01:09:19.060 --> 01:09:24.020 power that are at his disposal, specifically the DOJ, sending 1144 01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:28.550 so many DOJ representatives of the federal government to these 1145 01:09:28.619 --> 01:09:33.770 polling places, the seizing of the ballots in Fulton County. 1146 01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:37.140 The ways in which clearly Trump, and of course he 1147 01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:40.260 is on blast with saying that this is a corrupt 1148 01:09:40.579 --> 01:09:41.439 electoral system. 1149 01:09:42.060 --> 01:09:44.159 Projection, Mark, projection. 1150 01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:47.239 Right, right. So tell me how you think this might 1151 01:09:47.930 --> 01:09:50.050 play out as he seeks, I think, clearly a kind 1152 01:09:50.069 --> 01:09:51.510 of chaos around the election. 1153 01:09:52.329 --> 01:09:56.729

Trump is unique in all of American history, even not 1154 01:09:56.770 --> 01:10:04.890 accepting our worst presidents. in significantly undermining and degrading the 1155 01:10:04.949 --> 01:10:09.670 integrity of the American vote. That cuts to the heart 1156 01:10:10.109 --> 01:10:13.510 of our democratic republic. And the thing that is so 1157 01:10:13.569 --> 01:10:18.380 dangerous and so sad about it is it's all fabricated. 1158 01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:23.840 It runs counter to every bit of election evidence that 1159 01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:26.899 we have that shows his defeat in 2020 and other elections. 1160 01:10:28.869 --> 01:10:33.869 quoting his own cyber security chief, were secure and fair. 1161 01:10:34.109 --> 01:10:37.550 I'll give you one significant fact that the media has missed. 1162 01:10:37.890 --> 01:10:41.800 Remember his great Oval Office address in which he was 1163 01:10:41.840 --> 01:10:46.079 going to prove widespread electoral fraud. You don't do an 1164 01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:49.619 Oval Office address unless you have something really important to 1165 01:10:49.640 --> 01:10:53.619 convey to the American people. This is six years after 1166 01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:58.979 he claimed millions of illegal voters took a landslide election 1167 01:10:59.060 --> 01:11:02.800 away from him in 2020. He had six years to 1168 01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:06.039 prove this. How many legal votes did he document in 1169 01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:10.430 his big Oval Office address? Zero. The only thing he 1170 01:11:10.510 --> 01:11:14.810 cited was a few fraudulent registrations in the state of 1171 01:11:14.890 --> 01:11:18.789 Michigan that Joe Biden won big. They were all caught. 1172 01:11:19.250 --> 01:11:23.529 They were all flagged. Nobody voted on the basis of 1173 01:11:23.569 --> 01:11:28.229 those fraudulent registrations. In other words, given six years to 1174 01:11:28.270 --> 01:11:33.020 prove his point, he came up entirely empty. That's what 1175 01:11:33.060 --> 01:11:36.979 makes this so dangerous. It's all fabricated. It's all made up. 1176 01:11:37.420 --> 01:11:40.920 It's all designed not to promote any principle, not to 1177 01:11:40.979 --> 01:11:45.119 promote fair elections, quite the contrary, but to perpetuate in 1178 01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:51.600 power our authoritarian, inclined president. Now, he's tried, tried hard, 1179 01:11:51.659 --> 01:11:54.510 and so far has not gotten anywhere yet. in the 1180 01:11:54.590 --> 01:11:58.069 courts with his executive orders. Now, what we are worried 1181 01:11:58.109 --> 01:12:00.909 about is what you put your finger on, disruption at 1182 01:12:00.939 --> 01:12:04.279 the polls. I am a little less worried than most 1183 01:12:04.380 --> 01:12:08.359 observers about that for two reasons. One, you don't do 1184 01:12:08.420 --> 01:12:14.039 that overnight. That takes a tremendous amount of detail and planning. 1185 01:12:14.340 --> 01:12:17.239 You'd have to be planning

it now or even earlier, 1186 01:12:17.659 --> 01:12:22.579 and there's no indication that such elaborate planning has taken place. 1187 01:12:22.619 --> 01:12:26.270 And we've seen how utterly incompetent this administration is. They 1188 01:12:26.289 --> 01:12:29.989 can't even wage a successful war against a third-rate power 1189 01:12:30.369 --> 01:12:34.189 like Iran. Second point, who votes at the polls? It's 1190 01:12:34.369 --> 01:12:39.949 mostly Republicans. Democrats mostly vote early or by mail. So 1191 01:12:40.060 --> 01:12:42.800 to the extent he disrupts the polling, it may be 1192 01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:48.859 self-defeating for Republicans unless he does something totally horrible and 1193 01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:54.140 targets only Black areas. He's always blaming Black people. totally 1194 01:12:54.199 --> 01:12:59.060 baselessly for fraud, you know, talking about Philadelphia, Detroit, Chicago. 1195 01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:02.800 That would be the only scenario that would benefit Republicans. 1196 01:13:03.100 --> 01:13:07.920 Across-the-board intervention would be very bad for Republicans. 1197 01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:13.479 I then take you from the polling, from the voting, 1198 01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:18.989 and I take you to the post-voting days. Obviously, you know, 1199 01:13:19.010 --> 01:13:22.189 the old days of election night and this sort of, 1200 01:13:22.210 --> 01:13:25.189 those were way gone. So it's going to be the 1201 01:13:25.250 --> 01:13:28.140 days that follow. And I don't even mean literally the days. 1202 01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:29.779 It might be a week or two. 1203 01:13:29.800 --> 01:13:31.699 In California, it might be. 1204 01:13:33.340 --> 01:13:38.479 And also the seeds of undermining results, I think, may 1205 01:13:38.539 --> 01:13:43.130 be sown during that period as well, after the actual 1206 01:13:43.670 --> 01:13:46.510 day of the election. So my question is, as you 1207 01:13:46.550 --> 01:13:50.300 look at those levers of power that Trump has, the 1208 01:13:50.340 --> 01:13:53.880 ways in which the feds seem clearly bent on involving 1209 01:13:53.920 --> 01:13:58.300 themselves with elections from California to Georgia. Tell me how 1210 01:13:58.460 --> 01:14:00.100 that might go down in your judgment. 1211 01:14:00.420 --> 01:14:03.939 Well, first of all, let me quote the Constitution. The 1212 01:14:03.979 --> 01:14:10.970 Constitution cedes the administration of election to the states, with 1213 01:14:11.010 --> 01:14:14.590 the exception that Congress can pass laws like the Help 1214 01:14:14.649 --> 01:14:20.020 America Voting Act or the Voting Rights Act of 1965. 1215 01:14:20.020 --> 01:14:24.739 The president has zero, and I repeat, zero role in 1216 01:14:24.779 --> 01:14:30.260 the administration or investigation of elections. So I don't think 1217 01:14:30.340 --> 01:14:34.100 he is going to succeed in that. He tried after 1218 01:14:34.140 --> 01:14:39.819 the 2020 election. He lost, launched over 60 significant lawsuits. 1219 01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:43.779 You know how many he won? Zero, including in front 1220 01:14:43.880 --> 01:14:49.020 of Republican appointed conservative judges, and some judges even appointed 1221 01:14:49.079 --> 01:14:52.449 by Trump himself. You know, the courts have been pretty good, 1222 01:14:52.710 --> 01:14:56.869 leaving aside racial issues, when it comes to straight election matters, 1223 01:14:57.329 --> 01:15:00.710 even the Supreme Court has been pretty good about preserving 1224 01:15:00.750 --> 01:15:03.689 the integrity of our elections. So Trump is going to 1225 01:15:03.989 --> 01:15:07.229 face a very uphill battle. Obviously, he could send in 1226 01:15:07.270 --> 01:15:10.819 the National Guard or other federal law enforcements like he 1227 01:15:10.859 --> 01:15:16.630 did a while ago in Georgia to try to seize ballots. But, uh, Again, 1228 01:15:16.689 --> 01:15:18.850 that would take a lot of planning to do that 1229 01:15:18.949 --> 01:15:22.090 on a widespread basis. And it wouldn't change in any 1230 01:15:22.149 --> 01:15:25.909 way the certification of the states of their votes. You've 1231 01:15:25.930 --> 01:15:30.069 got to understand about Donald Trump is everything is transactional. 1232 01:15:30.420 --> 01:15:34.279 No such thing as truth. So any election that he 1233 01:15:34.340 --> 01:15:38.720 or his party loses, he will declare as illegitimate. But 1234 01:15:38.739 --> 01:15:42.420 there's a big gap between that declaration and actually doing 1235 01:15:42.500 --> 01:15:45.720 something about it. He failed in 20. 20 that's why 1236 01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:49.579 he had to organize that insurrection on january 6th as 1237 01:15:49.659 --> 01:15:51.800 a last-ditch desperate measure. 1238 01:15:52.529 --> 01:15:56.930 I mean you have appropriately identified the legal and constitutional 1239 01:15:56.989 --> 01:16:00.270 pushback on any kind of attempt of the sort we're 1240 01:16:00.310 --> 01:16:02.649 describing but what's happening is there are a lot of 1241 01:16:02.869 --> 01:16:05.569 uh trump henchmen in place like that mark wayne mullen 1242 01:16:05.590 --> 01:16:09.789 for example who you know is running uh homeland security 1243 01:16:09.869 --> 01:16:13.939 and and uh saying that if states who don't play 1244 01:16:13.979 --> 01:16:19.060 ball with the feds and submit the election materials that 1245 01:16:19.100 --> 01:16:24.420 the feds want, they could be subject to the kind 1246 01:16:24.460 --> 01:16:27.979 of repercussions that would be associated with fines personally and 1247 01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:31.579 even prison time for some of those involved in those 1248 01:16:31.659 --> 01:16:36.060 state elections. So it's the feds threatening the states through 1249 01:16:36.239 --> 01:16:39.159 Mark Wayne Mullen and others to play ball with the 1250 01:16:39.199 --> 01:16:40.800 feds or suffer the consequences. 1251 01:16:41.390 -->

01:16:45.390 Yes, that's a very serious issue. And in terms of 1252 01:16:45.470 --> 01:16:49.810 Trump's cabinet appointments like Mullen or Pete Hegseth or Todd 1253 01:16:49.850 --> 01:16:54.710 Blanch or RFK Jr., he has only one criteria. It's 1254 01:16:54.770 --> 01:16:59.270 not competence. It's not ability. It's not honesty. It's sycophancy 1255 01:16:59.510 --> 01:17:03.510 to Trump. It's loyalty to Trump. I have no doubt 1256 01:17:03.930 --> 01:17:08.470 that whatever Trump demands, Markway Mullen and Kash Patel, Todd 1257 01:17:08.489 --> 01:17:12.229 Blanch will simply march to the beat of that drum, 1258 01:17:13.229 --> 01:17:18.149 no doubt. But they are also incompetent. And again, that's 1259 01:17:18.390 --> 01:17:20.750 a big factor. And they have to face the courts. 1260 01:17:21.090 --> 01:17:25.260 They just can't willy-nilly issue fines and criminal penalties. They've 1261 01:17:25.359 --> 01:17:30.579 tried that, for example, with James Comey, Letitia James, Davey Hearn, 1262 01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:34.199 who they claimed sabotaged the reflecting pool, when in fact 1263 01:17:34.260 --> 01:17:39.329 it was his own incompetent contractor who ruined the reflecting pool. 1264 01:17:39.350 --> 01:17:43.939 They've gotten nowhere. with these attempts to criminalize their enemies. 1265 01:17:44.020 --> 01:17:46.779 And I don't think, you know, they'll be any more successful. 1266 01:17:47.039 --> 01:17:52.010 You know, I applaud our courageous governors, our courageous election 1267 01:17:52.050 --> 01:17:55.590 officials who, you know, need to conduct an honest and 1268 01:17:55.649 --> 01:17:58.869 fair election. And you're right, at risk to their personal 1269 01:17:58.930 --> 01:18:02.430 prosperity and personal freedom. Just being charged, even if you're 1270 01:18:02.470 --> 01:18:06.869 not convicted, is a terrible thing. It's expensive. It's time consuming. 1271 01:18:07.270 --> 01:18:11.250 It is anxiety promoting. And Trump knows that. He doesn't 1272 01:18:11.310 --> 01:18:12.569 care about anyone but himself. 1273 01:18:14.010 --> 01:18:16.420 Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that because I oftentimes will 1274 01:18:16.460 --> 01:18:18.880 say the government doesn't have to win a case. Just 1275 01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:21.439 bringing a case against you can be ruinous, you know. 1276 01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:22.159 That's right. 1277 01:18:22.689 --> 01:18:24.699 And in this case, I just think it speaks to 1278 01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:27.960 the absurdity of kind of what you're talking about. I 1279 01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:31.460 saw it. I was looking for the number of roughly 250,000 1280 01:18:31.460 --> 01:18:35.720 potential non-citizen registered voters. They're saying this is what they're 1281 01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:39.520 claiming at DHS across California, New Jersey, Nevada, and Pennsylvania. 1282 01:18:39.739 --> 01:18:40.609 That's absurd. 1283 01:18:40.890 --> 01:18:42.409 I mean, let me comment on that. 1284 01:18:42.670 --> 01:18:43.109 Yeah. 1285 01:18:43.890 --> 01:18:46.250 I've studied this. I've been an expert witness in 110 1286 01:18:46.250 --> 01:18:50.500 or more civil rights and voting rights cases. I've seen 1287 01:18:50.920 --> 01:18:55.520 these charges for years. And the problem is they're all allegations. 1288 01:18:55.979 --> 01:18:59.229 Every time you look at them, they fall apart. Either 1289 01:18:59.670 --> 01:19:03.729 the persons became naturalized and weren't included or the database 1290 01:19:03.770 --> 01:19:06.909 is mistaken or the matching is mistaken. And this 250,000 1291 01:19:06.909 --> 01:19:13.010 figure is utterly false. It was proven in Nevada. He 1292 01:19:13.090 --> 01:19:19.029 claimed as part of this, you mentioned Nevada, close to 16,000 1293 01:19:19.029 --> 01:19:24.039 non-citizens registered. Well, when that was scrutinized, guess what? It 1294 01:19:24.159 --> 01:19:30.539 fell to under 200, less than 2%. And those were 1295 01:19:30.619 --> 01:19:35.560 only suspected, not even proven non-citizens. I believe when you 1296 01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:39.949 even investigate those, it will be vanishingly small. I've studied 1297 01:19:39.989 --> 01:19:43.109 this for years, Mark. And the truth is, which Trump 1298 01:19:43.149 --> 01:19:47.319 doesn't care about, a non-citizen is more likely to be 1299 01:19:47.380 --> 01:19:51.180 struck by lightning than to cast an illegal vote. Give 1300 01:19:51.220 --> 01:19:54.619 you one more piece of information. They hate California, right? 1301 01:19:54.920 --> 01:20:00.409 That's their big target. There's this huge illegal voter campaign 1302 01:20:00.930 --> 01:20:05.750 in California. You know what they came up with? 28 potential, 1303 01:20:05.789 --> 01:20:10.250 not proven, non-citizens. on the registration rolls are voted. I'm 1304 01:20:10.270 --> 01:20:15.229 not sure which. There are 23 million persons on the 1305 01:20:15.260 --> 01:20:19.619 registration rolls. You do the math. 28 out of 23 million. 1306 01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:23.939 You know, it's one one-thousandth or less of 1%. You know, 1307 01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:27.899 to quote an old saying, they have made a molehill 1308 01:20:28.319 --> 01:20:29.859 out of an alleged mountain. 1309 01:20:31.640 --> 01:20:35.590 The concocted, fictitious nature of it is. 1310 01:20:37.199 --> 01:20:40.500 But the way that they've marshaled federal resources and our 1311 01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:43.859 taxpayer dollars going into all of this from the Justice 1312 01:20:43.880 --> 01:20:49.220 Department to Homeland Security and on, it's it's remarkable. It's 1313 01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:53.199 and it's clearly the commitment. Now, while I have you, 1314 01:20:53.220 --> 01:20:55.699 you know, I always when you're going to come on, 1315 01:20:55.739 --> 01:21:00.680 I collect comments. clippings on you and things you said. And, 1316 01:21:00.720 --> 01:21:01.939 you know, I just sort of. 1317 01:21:01.939 -->

01:21:05.090 Oh, you're holding me to everything I said over 45 years. 1318 01:21:05.989 --> 01:21:09.229 No, but this is about most. So the headline is 1319 01:21:09.289 --> 01:21:15.520 in Newsweek. U.S. polling Nostradamus predicts which Senate seats Democrats 1320 01:21:15.619 --> 01:21:18.869 are going to flip in And that Nostradamus is here 1321 01:21:19.050 --> 01:21:19.430 with us. 1322 01:21:20.449 --> 01:21:22.949 I did not choose that name. 1323 01:21:23.250 --> 01:21:25.189 No, no, no, no. They gave you that name. 1324 01:21:25.229 --> 01:21:27.609 I'm not more accurate than Nostradamus. 1325 01:21:29.250 --> 01:21:31.090 I see. That was the problem with the Nostradamus. He 1326 01:21:31.130 --> 01:21:36.569 wasn't accurate enough. But you are someone who doesn't shy 1327 01:21:36.609 --> 01:21:41.500 away from looking at. the way the political tea leaves 1328 01:21:41.579 --> 01:21:45.079 are settling and then making a prediction. So you do 1329 01:21:45.140 --> 01:21:47.859 go on the record with Democrats taking control of the 1330 01:21:47.899 --> 01:21:53.340 Senate and that Republican-held seats will flip to Democrats. Give 1331 01:21:53.359 --> 01:21:54.579 me a moment on that, if you would. 1332 01:21:54.979 --> 01:21:59.020 Yeah, I haven't outright said Democrats will take the Senate. 1333 01:21:59.060 --> 01:22:02.600 I've said it's a two-thirds probability because there are so 1334 01:22:02.659 --> 01:22:06.810 many seats that are not decided. But let me say this. 1335 01:22:06.890 --> 01:22:09.310 Let me give you the historical background Then I'll give 1336 01:22:09.350 --> 01:22:12.010 you the granular analysis of what's going on right now. 1337 01:22:12.390 --> 01:22:16.779 The historical background is that midterm elections are bad news 1338 01:22:17.260 --> 01:22:20.340 for the party holding the White House. They almost always 1339 01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:25.399 lose seats. On average, they lose about 25 House seats 1340 01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:29.779 and three Senate seats. But when the approval rating for 1341 01:22:29.819 --> 01:22:33.399 the president is as miserable as Donald Trump's, the worst 1342 01:22:33.479 --> 01:22:36.859 for any president at this time in their term, the 1343 01:22:36.930 --> 01:22:42.189 numbers rise. balloon to 40 House seats and six Senate seats, 1344 01:22:42.310 --> 01:22:45.689 enough for the Democrats to take back the Senate. The 1345 01:22:45.770 --> 01:22:48.750 other thing, the one polling, and I'm not really a 1346 01:22:49.050 --> 01:22:52.130 Nostradamus of polling, I have my own systems, but leave 1347 01:22:52.149 --> 01:22:57.220 that aside. The one predictive poll is the generic congressional poll. 1348 01:22:57.699 --> 01:23:01.619 It's congressional, but it also predicts, at least reasonably, not perfectly, 1349 01:23:01.979 --> 01:23:05.960 Senate elections. And Democrats are ahead by eight to nine points. 1350 01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:12.590 The other two things are, Democrats have greater enthusiasm for voting. 1351 01:23:12.869 --> 01:23:16.590 Usually Republicans are ahead on that. It's flipped this time, 1352 01:23:16.649 --> 01:23:20.340 I think, because of the, you know, the miserable situation 1353 01:23:20.380 --> 01:23:23.380 in the country and the unpopularity of a president who's 1354 01:23:23.420 --> 01:23:28.760 down at about one third or less approval. That really matters. 1355 01:23:29.060 --> 01:23:33.020 The other thing that is predictive is how well Democrats 1356 01:23:33.039 --> 01:23:36.359 have done in the off-year elections, like the New Jersey 1357 01:23:36.399 --> 01:23:40.819 and Virginia governorships. and the special elections. They've way outperformed 1358 01:23:40.840 --> 01:23:44.600 the polls. Usually Republicans outperform the polls. It's been different 1359 01:23:44.619 --> 01:23:50.140 this time, and they way outperformed previous election results in 1360 01:23:50.180 --> 01:23:54.510 the states or the districts. So the big picture does 1361 01:23:54.569 --> 01:23:58.210 suggest Democrats are going to do very well. The other 1362 01:23:58.270 --> 01:24:03.449 thing that is remarkable, having seen this almost in my lifetime, 1363 01:24:03.489 --> 01:24:07.449 and I'm 79, is how well Democrats are doing in 1364 01:24:07.569 --> 01:24:13.380 deep red states. Kansas is my, you know, great example. 1365 01:24:14.420 --> 01:24:16.539 You know, in the last time the Democrats won a 1366 01:24:16.600 --> 01:24:22.760 Senate election in Kansas, Herbert Hoover was president of the 1367 01:24:22.840 --> 01:24:27.800 United States. It was 1932, and the Democrats are very 1368 01:24:27.880 --> 01:24:32.319 competitive in Kansas. They well could win. They're competitive in Iowa. 1369 01:24:32.380 --> 01:24:34.930 It doesn't go back that far, but it's been a 1370 01:24:34.970 --> 01:24:39.539 while since Democrats have won in Iowa. They're extremely competitive 1371 01:24:39.939 --> 01:24:43.039 and even slightly ahead, if you believe the polls, in Texas. 1372 01:24:43.579 --> 01:24:47.340 No Democrat has won a statewide election for any office, 1373 01:24:48.359 --> 01:24:53.600 including the Senate and all state offices, in more than 1374 01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:58.529 20 years. So the fact that Democrats are competitive in 1375 01:24:58.630 --> 01:25:02.609 places you would never expect Democrats to be competitive and 1376 01:25:02.649 --> 01:25:06.630 can even flip those deep red states, Nebraska even, You know, 1377 01:25:06.670 --> 01:25:10.250 it's not a Democrat. It's Osborne and independent. The Democrat 1378 01:25:10.270 --> 01:25:15.710 has withdrawn. But there's a real possibility Nebraska could flip. 1379 01:25:15.750 --> 01:25:18.170 I'm not saying all these states would flip. They don't 1380 01:25:18.210 --> 01:25:21.449 have to. You know, I think the Democrats are well ahead, 1381 01:25:21.489 --> 01:25:28.039 for example, in North Carolina, well positioned in Alaska, well

1382 01:25:28.100 --> 01:25:33.220 positioned in Maine. Maine is the only state that is 1383 01:25:33.300 --> 01:25:38.170 contested that Harris won. The only state, all these other 1384 01:25:38.210 --> 01:25:41.869 states that are competitive this year were won by Trump. 1385 01:25:42.529 --> 01:25:46.449 So it just shows you how remarkable the politics are 1386 01:25:46.569 --> 01:25:50.250 playing out this time. Obviously, I don't have a system. 1387 01:25:50.770 --> 01:25:54.250 It's just my own knowledge. And I'm not guaranteeing it, 1388 01:25:54.369 --> 01:25:56.350 but I'm saying it's more likely than not. 1389 01:25:56.670 --> 01:25:58.569 Yeah, no, and I think you've kind of shown the math, 1390 01:25:58.630 --> 01:26:01.989 which is pretty impressive. We had a question up there. 1391 01:26:02.010 --> 01:26:06.289 I just wanted to address it from Scott, who was asking, Basically, 1392 01:26:06.310 --> 01:26:07.449 if you can put it back up there. But if 1393 01:26:07.479 --> 01:26:09.420 you can't, I'll just summarize it. I just took a 1394 01:26:09.449 --> 01:26:11.199 glance at it, but I think it was. How long 1395 01:26:11.239 --> 01:26:17.079 can they create a chaos, meaning the Trumpies in the 1396 01:26:17.119 --> 01:26:19.420 White House or in the administration who are doing the 1397 01:26:19.439 --> 01:26:22.699 bidding of creating chaos and questions? How long can they 1398 01:26:22.739 --> 01:26:26.939 do that before the feds then before it goes to 1399 01:26:26.979 --> 01:26:28.859 a vote in the charities? How long can a delay 1400 01:26:28.899 --> 01:26:32.090 in certification last? at the federal level last before it 1401 01:26:32.149 --> 01:26:34.470 goes to the state-by-state legislature vote. 1402 01:26:34.609 --> 01:26:38.149 There is no certification at the federal level. As I said, 1403 01:26:38.170 --> 01:26:42.710 the Constitution limits the administration of elections to the states 1404 01:26:43.130 --> 01:26:49.319 with the possible intervention of congressional laws. No certification takes 1405 01:26:49.380 --> 01:26:54.300 place at the federal level. That's even true in presidential elections. 1406 01:26:54.420 --> 01:26:58.289 Each state certifies their own electoral votes. When you get 1407 01:26:58.369 --> 01:27:01.489 to the counting that Trump tried to disrupt, it's a 1408 01:27:01.510 --> 01:27:05.750 ministerial activity. You know, Trump tried to get Mike Pence 1409 01:27:05.789 --> 01:27:08.529 to change the votes. You can't do that. All the 1410 01:27:08.550 --> 01:27:12.210 vice president does is read the certifications from the states. 1411 01:27:12.529 --> 01:27:15.409 So there's no required certification. 1412 01:27:15.560 --> 01:27:18.010 What I have heard is, you know. 1413 01:27:18.039 --> 01:27:23.520 Mike Johnson might stop Democratic House members from being admitted. 1414 01:27:23.579 --> 01:27:26.119 He can delay it, but he can't stop it. And 1415 01:27:26.159 --> 01:27:28.560 if he tries... I do think he'll get slapped down 1416 01:27:28.600 --> 01:27:31.340 by the courts. What does worry me a bit is 1417 01:27:31.359 --> 01:27:33.520 this administration doesn't seem to care about the courts. 1418 01:27:34.779 --> 01:27:38.470 Right. I mean, that's a huge, huge component in all 1419 01:27:38.510 --> 01:27:41.770 of this. I think that comment refers back also to 1420 01:27:41.829 --> 01:27:47.390 that presidential election during which it was suggested by certain 1421 01:27:47.449 --> 01:27:51.710 strategic states not certifying the results. You then take the 1422 01:27:51.770 --> 01:27:55.109 electoral count down. This is around the presidential election again. 1423 01:27:55.130 --> 01:27:59.770 And then it would go to chamber and, uh, you 1424 01:27:59.810 --> 01:28:01.789 can go to the house. Yeah. Go to the house. 1425 01:28:01.829 --> 01:28:05.529 And then it's one vote per state. Right. That's the idea. 1426 01:28:05.560 --> 01:28:08.039 And that's a presidential election. 1427 01:28:08.060 --> 01:28:10.460 Exactly. But I think that was the genesis of that question. 1428 01:28:10.699 --> 01:28:10.939 Yeah. 1429 01:28:11.500 --> 01:28:14.420 We'll face that again, Mark, when you ask me questions, 1430 01:28:14.439 --> 01:28:16.899 when we get closer to the presidential election. 1431 01:28:16.920 --> 01:28:17.119 Okay. 1432 01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:19.859 Very, very good. Uh, it was also suggested as I 1433 01:28:20.079 --> 01:28:22.930 think we touched on it before that, uh, One of 1434 01:28:22.970 --> 01:28:26.930 the keys should be updated to include corruption. That's interesting. 1435 01:28:26.949 --> 01:28:29.859 I mean, corruption is big on everybody's mind, Professor. And, 1436 01:28:29.960 --> 01:28:31.800 you know, it's interesting that they would even– here it is. 1437 01:28:32.140 --> 01:28:35.020 I think Alan needs to add the corruption topic as 1438 01:28:35.079 --> 01:28:36.960 a key, I have it. 1439 01:28:36.970 --> 01:28:42.100 I have a scandal key. You know, the corruption, like 1440 01:28:42.119 --> 01:28:46.420 the Nixon administration and now the Trump administration will definitely 1441 01:28:46.500 --> 01:28:49.279 play into the scandal key. Let me say this, you know, 1442 01:28:49.819 --> 01:28:55.539 compared to Trump, Richard Nixon was a petty criminal, much 1443 01:28:55.640 --> 01:29:00.449 less corrosive of our fundamental values and our democracy. than 1444 01:29:00.489 --> 01:29:04.220 Donald Trump. And that's really sad because I had always 1445 01:29:04.279 --> 01:29:08.399 believed Nixon represented the ultimate low point in corruption. And 1446 01:29:08.680 --> 01:29:12.520 Trump has easily stopped, topped him, easily topped him. 1447 01:29:13.079 --> 01:29:16.550 Tony, share with the professor, if you would, speaking of corruption, 1448 01:29:16.600 --> 01:29:18.989 that there are some high profile people who don't think 1449 01:29:19.029 --> 01:29:22.550 that Trump is that corrupt. Go

ahead. And if you 1450 01:29:22.590 --> 01:29:27.810 would share the cut, you can, you can choose Tony. 1451 01:29:28.319 --> 01:29:33.550 Either one with J.D. Vance being asked about President Trump's 1452 01:29:33.590 --> 01:29:36.930 corruption and self-enrichment during the time of his administration. 1453 01:29:38.170 --> 01:29:39.810 I'm going to take heat for not spending the rest 1454 01:29:39.829 --> 01:29:42.319 of the interview on this, but I'm just going to 1455 01:29:42.359 --> 01:29:44.119 ask you one more. I know you don't spend all 1456 01:29:44.159 --> 01:29:47.460 your time scrutinizing the Trump family deals. But are you 1457 01:29:47.500 --> 01:29:50.079 saying things that you've seen information about them? Forget the 1458 01:29:50.319 --> 01:29:53.029 kind of scales of justice. You say they suffered a lot. 1459 01:29:53.050 --> 01:29:54.109 So now they're making it back. 1460 01:29:54.369 --> 01:29:55.770 No, no, no. I wouldn't say that. 1461 01:29:56.710 --> 01:29:59.670 What I would say is I don't think there's evidence 1462 01:29:59.689 --> 01:30:03.130 that the Trump family has become enriched by politics. I 1463 01:30:03.149 --> 01:30:08.069 think that the fact that their lives were so destroyed, 1464 01:30:08.109 --> 01:30:10.649 or almost destroyed, I should say, is I think evidence 1465 01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:12.340 that they've sacrificed a lot for politics. 1466 01:30:12.380 --> 01:30:15.220 Now, Don Jr. is a very good friend of mine. 1467 01:30:15.600 --> 01:30:16.239 Don Jr. 1468 01:30:16.279 --> 01:30:19.100 who, by the way, I've seen him ten times probably 1469 01:30:19.119 --> 01:30:21.359 in my office in the West Wing. Has he ever 1470 01:30:21.500 --> 01:30:24.869 tried to foisted business deal on me or tried to 1471 01:30:25.229 --> 01:30:27.029 take a client of his and give them access to 1472 01:30:27.050 --> 01:30:28.090 the Vice President of the United States? 1473 01:30:28.189 --> 01:30:31.430 Absolutely not. Now, has Don made some money in business? 1474 01:30:31.449 --> 01:30:32.229 Yeah, he has. 1475 01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:34.520 But I guess I don't think the standard. 1476 01:30:34.220 --> 01:30:37.439 Should be the president's son who's not involved in politics 1477 01:30:37.460 --> 01:30:38.739 should not be able to live his life. 1478 01:30:39.199 --> 01:30:40.819 I think the standard should be The. 1479 01:30:40.739 --> 01:30:43.699 President's son should not be selling access to the president. 1480 01:30:43.920 --> 01:30:45.000 And I see no evidence of that. 1481 01:30:45.079 --> 01:30:49.199 And from their crypto deals to their ties to companies 1482 01:30:49.220 --> 01:30:51.020 that have business for the government, you haven't seen a 1483 01:30:51.140 --> 01:30:53.659 single deal that if they'd asked you about it, you'd say, yeah, 1484 01:30:53.880 --> 01:30:55.680 I probably wouldn't do that one, even if it's only 1485 01:30:55.720 --> 01:30:56.239 the appearance. 1486 01:30:56.340 --> 01:30:59.779 Well, what I'd say is I haven't seen any evidence 1487 01:30:59.840 --> 01:31:02.439 that they're selling access to their dad or selling access 1488 01:31:02.479 --> 01:31:05.680 to public officials. Like, am I an expert on every 1489 01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:09.180 business transaction? The Trump family, the Trump, you know, the 1490 01:31:09.220 --> 01:31:12.720 president's relatives or former business associates have been involved in? 1491 01:31:13.119 --> 01:31:13.399 No. 1492 01:31:13.520 --> 01:31:16.079 But what I'm saying is I wouldn't expect Eric or 1493 01:31:16.119 --> 01:31:17.699 Don to not be able to earn a living. 1494 01:31:18.399 --> 01:31:20.739 And to me, the question is, are they selling access 1495 01:31:20.760 --> 01:31:22.159 to their dad? And I just don't think they are. 1496 01:31:22.510 --> 01:31:23.970 And all the like the president's crypto. 1497 01:31:25.149 --> 01:31:29.430 Well, there's an objective observer, J.D. 1498 01:31:29.489 --> 01:31:29.829 Vance. 1499 01:31:29.949 --> 01:31:33.090 I'll take everything he says at his word. We've seen nothing. 1500 01:31:33.619 --> 01:31:36.520 You know, we're the three monkeys, see no evil, hear 1501 01:31:36.579 --> 01:31:40.039 no evil, speak no evil. What a pile of nonsense. 1502 01:31:40.359 --> 01:31:44.359 First of all, he very narrowly defines corruption as selling 1503 01:31:44.479 --> 01:31:47.800 access to the president. That's just one aspect of it. 1504 01:31:47.979 --> 01:31:56.029 And we know Trump is doing that, right? You pay $ 100, 000. 1505 01:31:52.229 --> 01:31:56.149 Who could do that other than his multimillionaire and billionaire friends? 1506 01:31:56.449 --> 01:32:00.630 And guess what? You get privileged access to official money. 1507 01:32:00.909 --> 01:32:05.569 presidential communications on Truth Social. That is the most blatant 1508 01:32:05.750 --> 01:32:09.770 act of selling access we have ever seen. And in 1509 01:32:09.810 --> 01:32:12.449 terms of, oh, the enrichment of Trump and his family 1510 01:32:12.689 --> 01:32:16.010 have nothing to do with the presidency. Of course, Trump 1511 01:32:16.050 --> 01:32:19.609 has gotten over a billion dollars from his crypto ventures, 1512 01:32:19.869 --> 01:32:31.670 which are intimately tied to the policies of the president. president? 1513 01:32:32.250 --> 01:32:35.000 Is that because he's such a great businessman? If so, 1514 01:32:35.039 --> 01:32:37.819 why didn't that happen during the four years of Biden? 1515 01:32:38.239 --> 01:32:41.239 Maybe he's not selling access to the president, but all 1516 01:32:41.279 --> 01:32:45.729 these contracts, these government contracts are being steered to companies 1517 01:32:46.149 --> 01:32:49.989 in which Don Jr. has an interest. And then let's 1518 01:32:50.029 --> 01:32:54.329 look at this ballroom fiasco. You know, he's taking money 1519 01:32:54.770 --> 01:32:59.699 from these big companies with direct access to to public 1520

01:32:59.800 --> 01:33:04.880 policies who are directly implicated by what Trump does. NVIDIA, 1521 01:33:05.279 --> 01:33:09.119 who pledged a huge amount of money, gets an opportunity 1522 01:33:09.180 --> 01:33:14.130 to sell advanced chips to China despite threats to national security. 1523 01:33:14.470 --> 01:33:21.670 Another company gets a deal with selling access to air 1524 01:33:22.069 --> 01:33:27.220 to AT & T after they've pledged $ 50 million to 1525 01:33:27.279 --> 01:33:30.979 Trump's ballroom. You know, it's not a quid pro quo. 1526 01:33:31.000 --> 01:33:34.000 They're not walking into the Oval Office and saying, hey, 1527 01:33:34.039 --> 01:33:36.439 if I contribute this, are you going to approve my 1528 01:33:36.479 --> 01:33:39.760 merger or let me sell chips to China? But you 1529 01:33:39.779 --> 01:33:44.779 don't have to have an explicit quid pro quo for 1530 01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:47.680 this to happen. And this is just a few of 1531 01:33:47.699 --> 01:33:51.510 the many, many examples of the ultimate corruption theory. in 1532 01:33:51.550 --> 01:33:52.550 this administration. 1533 01:33:52.750 --> 01:33:54.010 Yeah, it's implicit. 1534 01:33:54.689 --> 01:33:54.890 J.D. 1535 01:33:55.010 --> 01:33:57.770 Vance may not say anything. The American people do. That's 1536 01:33:57.789 --> 01:33:59.489 why two-thirds are concerned. 1537 01:33:59.750 --> 01:34:01.529 He's never come to me and asked for a... Oh, 1538 01:34:01.550 --> 01:34:03.909 you're right. Is that the standard? He's never walked into 1539 01:34:03.930 --> 01:34:06.270 your office and asked you to be a part of 1540 01:34:06.329 --> 01:34:12.869 a deal? And as someone commented, Trump's son started that 1541 01:34:12.949 --> 01:34:16.189 club in Washington when Trump ascended to the presidency. The 1542 01:34:16.229 --> 01:34:20.060 club is half a million dollars to join as a member. 1543 01:34:20.260 --> 01:34:23.739 And that gives you access to, I think the club's 1544 01:34:23.779 --> 01:34:26.300 even called, I forget what it's called, but. 1545 01:34:26.239 --> 01:34:27.640 It's- Of course it gives you access. 1546 01:34:27.779 --> 01:34:28.920 Yeah, of course it does. 1547 01:34:29.199 --> 01:34:32.760 And look, look what's going on in this campaign. The 1548 01:34:32.840 --> 01:34:37.409 candidates are so bad, like Ken Paxton and Marshall in Kansas, 1549 01:34:37.770 --> 01:34:40.310 are so bad, they can't raise any money. So where 1550 01:34:40.369 --> 01:34:46.069 is the money pouring in from the billionaires? Elon Musk 1551 01:34:46.250 --> 01:34:49.119 alone I don't know how much he's contributed, but a 1552 01:34:49.159 --> 01:34:54.260 few weeks ago, it was $ 276 million from one person. 1553 01:34:54.579 --> 01:34:58.359 And I'm sure it's more now and other billionaires. That's 1554 01:34:58.760 --> 01:35:03.149 who is keeping Republicans afloat. You know, Donald Trump claims 1555 01:35:03.229 --> 01:35:06.210 to be a populist. I'm for the little guy. And 1556 01:35:06.250 --> 01:35:10.470 yet everything he does enriches his rich friends, and they're 1557 01:35:10.510 --> 01:35:15.029 paying him back by pouring all this money into Republican campaigns. 1558 01:35:15.310 --> 01:35:19.039 And Mark, it's obscene. The inequities of wealth are so 1559 01:35:19.100 --> 01:35:23.000 enormous now in our country that these few billionaires, a 1560 01:35:23.039 --> 01:35:28.119 handful of them, exercise enormous power over our democratic system. 1561 01:35:28.229 --> 01:35:29.829 It's a horrible shame. 1562 01:35:29.850 --> 01:35:33.590 It's so true. And at a time when regulation is 1563 01:35:33.630 --> 01:35:37.350 so desperately needed in many of the areas from which 1564 01:35:37.449 --> 01:35:44.109 these super rich oligarchical folk come, meaning the The Palantirs 1565 01:35:44.170 --> 01:35:46.229 of the world, the musks of the world, these are 1566 01:35:46.930 --> 01:35:50.329 they've worked hard and now essentially have gotten all the 1567 01:35:50.369 --> 01:35:53.350 regulatory mechanisms to melt away. Right. 1568 01:35:53.390 --> 01:35:56.239 Trump has said, do anything you want. Yeah, I don't care. 1569 01:35:57.079 --> 01:36:02.039 Destroy the environment, pollute the air, pollute the waters, you know, 1570 01:36:02.119 --> 01:36:05.590 burn fossil fuels and kill the planet off. I don't care. 1571 01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:07.720 Do whatever you want. Just support me. 1572 01:36:08.949 --> 01:36:10.159 By the way, the name of that club is the 1573 01:36:10.279 --> 01:36:13.960 Executive Club. The Executive Branch, I think it's called. Is 1574 01:36:13.979 --> 01:36:18.180 that what it's called? Yeah, Executive Branch. It's called– their 1575 01:36:18.220 --> 01:36:20.500 private club in Washington is called the Executive Branch. 1576 01:36:21.060 --> 01:36:23.000 I don't think you and I are ponying up a 1577 01:36:23.039 --> 01:36:24.239 half a mil to join that. 1578 01:36:26.260 --> 01:36:29.159 Hey, Professor, love talking to you. I hope we do 1579 01:36:29.189 --> 01:36:32.989 it again soon. Major election ahead. And again, I'll mention 1580 01:36:33.029 --> 01:36:37.109 your book, Great American Presidents, The Twelve Who Transformed the Nation. 1581 01:36:37.609 --> 01:36:40.750 We talked to Professor Lichtman about that book almost exclusively 1582 01:36:40.869 --> 01:36:42.869 in our last conversation. We did. If you want to 1583 01:36:42.930 --> 01:36:45.090 find it, you can find it on this channel. And 1584 01:36:45.409 --> 01:36:46.810 it was a really fascinating. 1585 01:36:47.689 --> 01:36:48.680 Can I add one thing? 1586 01:36:48.880 --> 01:36:49.319 Yes, please. 1587 01:36:49.340 --> 01:36:52.340 I want to remind everyone of my live show with 1588 01:36:52.399 --> 01:36:59.029 my son, 9 p.m. Eastern. Tuesday and Thursdays, at Alan 1589 01:36:59.069 --> 01:37:05.149 Lichtman YouTube. We started with nothing, Mark. We now have 186,000 1590 01:37:05.149 -->

01:37:10.920 subscribers and over 26 million YouTube views. So catch us. 1591 01:37:11.439 --> 01:37:15.760 Wow, that's impressive, sir. I love it. Okay, I'll have 1592 01:37:15.779 --> 01:37:18.560 links to everything underneath this conversation as well. Thanks, Mark. 1593 01:37:18.779 --> 01:37:23.520 Come visit again. See you, Professor. Professor Alan Lichtman, everyone. Bravo, bravo. 1594 01:37:24.430 --> 01:37:28.909 The Mark Thompson Show. He's great. He's great. Thanks, Professor Allen, 1595 01:37:28.949 --> 01:37:32.670 says Tammy. Yeah. A lot of love for Alan Lichtman. 1596 01:37:33.050 --> 01:37:37.409 Gregory with a thank you, et cetera. Thank you, Professor, 1597 01:37:37.430 --> 01:37:41.449 from Vilma. He's a super smart guy. He's been active 1598 01:37:41.489 --> 01:37:45.159 in politics and civil rights and issues involving voting for 1599 01:37:45.279 --> 01:37:48.300 so long. I consider it a real luxury to have 1600 01:37:48.340 --> 01:37:55.579 him come through here. Applause for Alan Lichtman from Gordon. Yeah. 1601 01:37:56.859 --> 01:38:03.279 It's a, I think it's close to a wrap. Miss 1602 01:38:03.340 --> 01:38:05.899 Kitty says, thank you, Professor Lichtman. Yeah, a lot of 1603 01:38:05.960 --> 01:38:09.739 love for Alan Lichtman from our audience. I don't blame you. 1604 01:38:10.699 --> 01:38:13.779 Richard Delamater with a super chat for a couple bucks. 1605 01:38:13.810 --> 01:38:14.090 Big shout out. 1606 01:38:14.550 --> 01:38:17.949 Will the Ark have fire hoses to wash off the pee? 1607 01:38:18.020 --> 01:38:20.899 What does that refer to from Richard Delamater? Kim? 1608 01:38:21.100 --> 01:38:23.640 Not sure. Didn't understand it when it was popped up there. 1609 01:38:23.659 --> 01:38:27.289 We normally don't put up– oh, the Arch. 1610 01:38:27.430 --> 01:38:27.750 I see. 1611 01:38:27.970 --> 01:38:33.920 Absolutely. Thank you, Tony. Tony gets it. Thanks, Tony. There 1612 01:38:33.939 --> 01:38:36.520 will be quite a bit of pee, I suspect. But 1613 01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:39.850 if you pee on it, it could be a prosecutable offense. 1614 01:38:39.909 --> 01:38:44.149 Who knows what they're going to do to you. WZ583 1615 01:38:44.229 --> 01:38:46.649 with a super sticker. Big shout out. For $ 20, WZ583. 1616 01:38:50.399 --> 01:38:52.600 Just rolls off the tongue, baby. I love that. WZ583, 1617 01:38:52.640 --> 01:38:56.720 thank you so, so much. Thank you so, so much. 1618 01:38:57.100 --> 01:38:59.560 CC Ryder with the $ 10 Super Chat. Big shout out. 1619 01:38:59.600 --> 01:39:03.520 Big shout out. Remember Trump called Zelensky July 25th, 2019 1620 01:39:03.520 --> 01:39:06.600 to shake him down just one day after Mueller testified 1621 01:39:06.619 --> 01:39:10.930 before Congress. He doubles down on corruption. What else will 1622 01:39:10.970 --> 01:39:18.710 he do next year that warrants removal? Yeah. You know, again, 1623 01:39:18.729 --> 01:39:22.989 whenever I see... Warranting removal and removal,

I think, well, 1624 01:39:23.890 --> 01:39:26.569 they're two different things. I mean, you can, I think, 1625 01:39:26.670 --> 01:39:31.319 safely say that he's done many things that warrant removal, 1626 01:39:31.460 --> 01:39:36.140 everything from corruption to illegality. I mean, he's really transformed 1627 01:39:36.979 --> 01:39:40.159 the White House in ways that are at the very 1628 01:39:40.380 --> 01:39:46.600 heart of corruption. But to remove him, you need the 1629 01:39:47.539 --> 01:39:52.500 instruments of government. And those instruments of government are populated 1630 01:39:52.560 --> 01:39:56.479 right now with those who won't remove him, just to 1631 01:39:56.600 --> 01:40:00.079 kind of state it bluntly and simply. And so when 1632 01:40:00.119 --> 01:40:02.979 I hear 20th Amendment, got to remove him, got to 1633 01:40:03.039 --> 01:40:06.880 impeach him, remove him, it's not that I disagree, obviously, 1634 01:40:07.319 --> 01:40:13.369 but I just feel as though it's us screaming in 1635 01:40:13.390 --> 01:40:16.529 the night. I don't think that screaming in the night 1636 01:40:16.670 --> 01:40:18.670 is such a bad thing because enough of us scream 1637 01:40:19.350 --> 01:40:22.689 Enough noise is made, it cuts through, just to extend 1638 01:40:22.710 --> 01:40:25.470 the metaphor. But I also feel as though from the standpoint, 1639 01:40:25.550 --> 01:40:31.369 a practical standpoint, there is no real likely removal from 1640 01:40:31.550 --> 01:40:36.569 office in the future for Donald Trump. So that may 1641 01:40:36.609 --> 01:40:39.699 be the scariest thing. They can file charges against 28 1642 01:40:39.699 --> 01:40:43.020 in California, says Agolf. Because they don't need to win 1643 01:40:43.079 --> 01:40:46.119 the cases. They just need the accusations before the election. Right. 1644 01:40:46.420 --> 01:40:48.399 And that's what I talk about all the time. They 1645 01:40:48.539 --> 01:40:51.470 don't need to prove any of these things. These things 1646 01:40:51.739 --> 01:40:55.649 all will be refuted in court. But the idea is 1647 01:40:56.189 --> 01:41:00.170 bring it and create the chaos, create the question, kill 1648 01:41:00.189 --> 01:41:04.529 the clock. Now months have gone by. Something has to happen. 1649 01:41:04.609 --> 01:41:07.069 It goes to the Supreme Court. And we know what's 1650 01:41:07.090 --> 01:41:09.399 happened with the Supreme Court. Look at what they did 1651 01:41:09.449 --> 01:41:15.649 to Al Gore. They gave the election. They gave the 1652 01:41:15.710 --> 01:41:19.850 election to George Bush. It was an incredible thing. It 1653 01:41:19.869 --> 01:41:23.930 was banana republic madness. But the Supreme Court is very 1654 01:41:23.989 --> 01:41:27.850 capable of handing the election to those who didn't actually win. 1655 01:41:28.899 --> 01:41:32.000 So you're right, Adolf, is I guess what I'm saying. 1656 01:41:32.739 --> 01:41:38.750 The attempt to create enough chaos... a cloud of chaos 1657 01:41:38.890 --> 01:41:44.069 around something that is completely concocted, fictitious. I mean, look 1658 01:41:44.109 --> 01:41:46.859 at what happened when they went to court with Rudy 1659 01:41:46.899 --> 01:41:50.119 Giuliani claiming, oh, yeah, I've got the case. I've got examples. 1660 01:41:50.159 --> 01:41:52.680 I've got evidence. I just left the evidence of the 1661 01:41:52.880 --> 01:41:56.060 election corruption in my other pants. Let me run home, 1662 01:41:56.380 --> 01:41:58.420 get it, we'll delay this, and I'll bring it back. 1663 01:41:58.880 --> 01:42:02.909 And he did that 60 times and lost everything. And 1664 01:42:02.949 --> 01:42:04.439 I get it. Well, he didn't lose every time because 1665 01:42:04.460 --> 01:42:06.380 he didn't have evidence, Mark. He lost because he didn't 1666 01:42:06.399 --> 01:42:11.279 have standing and so on. Fine! Across the board, wall 1667 01:42:11.319 --> 01:42:15.510 to wall, they lost. And so eventually, if you're actually 1668 01:42:15.550 --> 01:42:21.050 going through court, the legal system will likely, anyway, offer 1669 01:42:21.090 --> 01:42:23.909 a refutation of all of the crap that you're throwing up, 1670 01:42:24.149 --> 01:42:28.000 which is, you know, illegals voting and there were a 1671 01:42:28.579 --> 01:42:34.340 bunch of fake ballots and... But That takes time. And 1672 01:42:34.399 --> 01:42:39.220 in that time, you can exploit the chaos to undermine 1673 01:42:39.279 --> 01:42:42.399 the results. And again, it's not just that. We've been 1674 01:42:42.439 --> 01:42:44.850 talking a lot about that. It's also what's happening at 1675 01:42:45.439 --> 01:42:51.930 the places where they count the ballots. And around that, 1676 01:42:52.390 --> 01:42:57.430 there can be now a new kind of meddling, a 1677 01:42:57.529 --> 01:43:00.470 new kind of corruption. And so I think we need 1678 01:43:00.479 --> 01:43:02.670 to watch that as well. Thank you for a great show, 1679 01:43:02.710 --> 01:43:07.970 says Panka S. I'm watching you from South Ontario, Canada. 1680 01:43:08.010 --> 01:43:10.010 What's up, Canada? Hi, Canada. 1681 01:43:10.050 --> 01:43:10.390 We're sorry. 1682 01:43:10.430 --> 01:43:14.369 Wishing you a great success around the elections. Beat the 1683 01:43:14.409 --> 01:43:19.310 hell out of these corrupt maggots. Yeah, well, we're trying. 1684 01:43:19.810 --> 01:43:22.029 We sure are trying. It's funny. I was reading, and 1685 01:43:22.449 --> 01:43:24.449 I'm just getting into it, the latest edition, I think, 1686 01:43:24.470 --> 01:43:27.310 of The Economist, which is a podcast. Kind of a 1687 01:43:27.350 --> 01:43:30.890 cool magazine to jump in and out of. And on 1688 01:43:30.930 --> 01:43:36.520 the cover, when I'm mentioning it, is Mark Carney from Canada. 1689 01:43:36.699 --> 01:43:40.640 So the Canadians are, you know, the adults in the room. 1690 01:43:40.939 --> 01:43:42.840 What can I tell you? Great to have the

Canadians 1691 01:43:42.960 --> 01:43:44.920 on board. Appreciate all of you. 1692 01:43:45.539 --> 01:43:49.430 When for Carney yesterday, they had a referendum on whether 1693 01:43:50.100 --> 01:43:53.989 folks in Alberta wanted to leave Canada, go it alone. 1694 01:43:55.010 --> 01:43:57.180 And the voters said, no, we're part of Canada. 1695 01:43:57.350 --> 01:44:02.380 Yeah, there it is. What's on the show tomorrow, Kim McAllister? 1696 01:44:03.000 --> 01:44:05.560 We have a good show tomorrow. 1697 01:44:05.579 --> 01:44:07.829 It's the Wednesday show. We love the Wednesday show. 1698 01:44:08.920 --> 01:44:09.600 Kim, how are you? 1699 01:44:09.640 --> 01:44:11.899 I'm laughing when you can always tell when Kim's vamping. 1700 01:44:12.439 --> 01:44:14.699 We have a wonderful show tomorrow. We have a great show. 1701 01:44:14.760 --> 01:44:17.500 It's our Wednesday show, and we do those on Wednesdays. 1702 01:44:19.060 --> 01:44:21.300 Let me look here. We have a great show. 1703 01:44:21.319 --> 01:44:23.239 John Rothman is our Wednesday show. 1704 01:44:23.279 --> 01:44:25.470 I don't think we're in wildly better shape. 1705 01:44:25.560 --> 01:44:27.090 All right. What's happening? 1706 01:44:27.130 --> 01:44:28.930 John Rothman is on the show. 1707 01:44:28.949 --> 01:44:32.829 Whoever is producing this thing has no idea what they're doing. 1708 01:44:33.069 --> 01:44:33.289 All right. 1709 01:44:33.350 --> 01:44:34.989 Belinda Weymouth, John Rothman. 1710 01:44:35.470 --> 01:44:36.449 Jared Sexton. 1711 01:44:37.250 --> 01:44:38.689 Yeah. Jared Yates Sexton. 1712 01:44:39.109 --> 01:44:39.270 Yes. 1713 01:44:39.289 --> 01:44:42.310 And I believe we tee up something. Oh, there it is. 1714 01:44:42.369 --> 01:44:46.699 Thank you, Tony. There's the economist cover. I love my Tony. 1715 01:44:46.760 --> 01:44:51.140 Thank you. That's cute. I think we're going to– I 1716 01:44:51.159 --> 01:44:52.699 just finished a couple of big interviews, so I hope 1717 01:44:52.720 --> 01:44:55.140 you'll grab one of those, Kim, because there have been 1718 01:44:55.180 --> 01:44:58.390 some really good conversations, and I just finished them in 1719 01:44:58.409 --> 01:44:59.289 the last couple of days. 1720 01:45:00.689 --> 01:45:01.609 That's not fake. 1721 01:45:01.850 --> 01:45:06.960 That's real. Yeah. I'm looking forward to that. Well– And 1722 01:45:06.979 --> 01:45:35.029 support our effort if you'd like. through Patreon and PayPal. 1723 01:45:35.050 --> 01:45:39.710 There are links to Patreon and PayPal underneath this video. Again, 1724 01:45:40.210 --> 01:45:44.479 without you, we don't exist. So thanks for being here. 1725 01:45:45.079 --> 01:45:49.420 It's a big week ahead. Great conversations ahead as well. 1726 01:45:49.779 --> 01:45:52.960 Thanks to David K. Johnston. Thanks to Professor Alan Lichtman. 1727 01:45:53.380 --> 01:45:58.560 And now, if you would please, the great Shadow. I'm 1728 01:45:58.619 --> 01:46:02.899 Shadow Stevens for the Mark Johnson Show. Thank you, Kim. 1729 01:46:02.939 --> 01:46:04.520 Thank you. Tony, Tony back. 1730 01:46:05.340 --> 01:46:05.939 Out of time. 1731 01:46:06.020 --> 01:46:08.789 Bye-bye. But we're out of time. Bye-bye.