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Welcome back to the Leadership Match.
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And today I am joined by Michael King, CEO of Teams.coach, certified executive coach, keynote speaker, and architect of high-performing teams.
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Michael has spent nearly two decades helping leaders, executives, entrepreneurs, and organizations build healthier, more aligned, and more collaborative teams.
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And I love one thing that Michael says.
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If God is in the dream, the devil is in the details.
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That is leadership.
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Vision matters, but without strategy, structure, trust, and action, momentum can disappear fast.
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Michael, welcome to the leadership match.
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Martin, great.
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Thank you so much for having me.
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It's an honor, it's a privilege.
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Love working with you.
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Me too.
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Long, long friends.
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And uh I worked with you as a coach.
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Amazing, amazing, highly recommended.
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So here we go.
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We're gonna kick it off with Beyond the Tito.
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Before you became an executive coach and founder of Teams that coach, what experience shaped the way you think about leadership?
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Yeah, thanks.
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That's a that's a great question.
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Um my journey started off.
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So I was I started off as a as a as as a as a guy with a dream.
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I was, you know, I was a musician, was in uh the recording industry as a recording artist, um, and then became a worship leader and executive pastor in one of America's fastest growing churches.
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I, you know, I get to work with leaders across a lot of different spectrums.
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I have a different respect for for church leaders that actually know how to get things done because the amount of dexterity and flexibility and high-level talent that you have to have in order for you to be a really capable church leader, it's it it takes a it takes a special person.
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Now, like hear me on that in a little bit.
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It's just in I think the reason why that is, is because you don't know what you're gonna get thrown at you day to day in a high-level church.
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Like you some, you know, the hats that I've had to wear, I've had to wear hats of a production leader, I've had a a chief musician of the house, uh chief of staff, um, guest experience coordinator, systems architect, like building, you know, I had over
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a thousand people in my leadership pipeline, so I didn't necessarily know what was going to happen on a day-to-day basis.
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But also within that same context, I knew what it took to be a part of a great team, and I also knew what it felt like to be a part of a horrible team.
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And those things really influenced my heart and influenced my things.
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So when I when I felt like that, I was getting called into executive coaching and whatnot, because though those doors opened a little bit organically because of the type of success that I was having within church ministry, right?
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And I came out of it with one perspective and and really one kind of mission.
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What would happen if I could help contribute to the idea that no one ever had to be a part of a horrible team ever again?
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What if I could actually contribute to leading the way in making sure that that failure was a choice instead of an accident?
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That's pretty strong.
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So that was my motivation on that.
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And um, and man, I think I think sometimes with the amount of leadership materials that are available for high capacity leaders, there's so many like resource guides, there's so much YouTube tracks out there, there's so many different leaders that you can partner with to making sure that you're building the right system strategies and structures so you can succeed.
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So if if you are failing in business, if you are failing in life right now, like unfortunately, I do my my opinion is that yeah, sometimes bad things do happen to us and we didn't see it coming.
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But more times than not, failure is a choice now.
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Yeah, there's definitely enough tools out there to help people out, that's for sure.
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Um, you help leaders fix misalignment before it destroys momentum.
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What does misalignment usually look like before it becomes obvious?
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Yeah.
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So when you think about this, that is that uh you're a high capacity leader.
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I mean, you're killing it.
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You do so many cool things, Martin.
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And thank you.
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Um but you also recognize this is that you wake up every single day with in strategy mode.
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You're thinking about, okay, what are the things that I can deliver?
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How can I move the needle?
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You you tracking with me?
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Yeah.
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Every morning.
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But also to strategies that aren't effective cause burnout.
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So when you think about um, when you think about how you're putting your energy, the the alarm clock goes off in the morning.
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Sometimes before I even my feet even hit the side of the bed, I'm reaching over to my iPhone and I'm looking at my calendar.
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I'm looking at all the things I'm committing my time to, and I'm recognizing that sometimes, like, man, it gets so discouraging to see a day full of commitments without having proof that I'm actually getting any ROI on my time.
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Strategy without outcomes produces burnout.
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And so I'll say that over and over and over again.
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But structure is always your gateway to effective strategy.
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It's, you know, because I because I've because if you think about it, right, I like you have heard probably some of the most ridiculous ideas that you're going, there's no way that that strategy is going to work.
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That's a horrible idea.
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Like we kind of deal with one with with even with like on our keynote or our creative film vertical that we do here, um, where it's like I write songs about ideas and topics that leaders don't talk about.
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Somebody told me once that that was a that was a horrible idea, that there's no way that that would possibly work.
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Well, the reason why it works is because I have great people that help execute it.
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Does that make sense?
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Yeah.
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Like structure is always your gateway to effective strategy.
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So when we're thinking about alignment and to be able to get everything back in alignment so you don't waste your time on ineffective strategy, that's really what it comes down to is like, okay, are you communicating at the highest levels of clarity within your organization?
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Do you have people in the right seats?
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And here's a challenge for every leader that's possibly listening to this.
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Like on your org chart, if you can't answer these two things for every single person that currently works with you, number one, what is the one singular reason for their existence on your team?
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Like, what's their one singular outcome that they should be the deliver delivering?
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And then number two, how do you measure success?
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Like if you can't answer those two things, you're already out of alignment.
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So just fix those two things.
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Get back in alignment.
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And speaking of burnouts, you talk about
building healthy, fun, collaborative, and trusting team cultures.
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So why does fun matter in high-performing teams?
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Even in our relationship, like um, I I gave up on being the smartest person in the room a long time ago because I keep on bumping into guys like you that are just like 300 times smarter than I could ever want to be.
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And even as a keynote speaker, like you know, being smart and coming up with all the answers, et cetera, um, those things are like I want to be a good steward of knowledge.
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I want to be a continual learner and all those things.
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But people will only remember one thing about you, and that's how you make them feel.
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And so when you create a culture of fun, when you create a culture that there's a lot of emotional and psychological safety where people can put their guard down, you do get the best out of people.
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I've never once ever been a part of a team where creativity flourished without fun, ever.
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And creativity uh doesn't exist without healthy margins, healthy relationships, healthy collaborations.
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And so you wanna you want to be able to champion those things.
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Now let's talk about your team's mythology, which includes targets, engagement, action, momentum, and synergy.
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Which one do leaders usually skip or underestimate?
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Oh man, that's I've never had that question answered.
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So let me start.
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I like it.
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Yeah, that's that's really that's really good.
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I think where the obvious one that's that's easy to the easiest one to fix out of all five of them is the target.
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For so just like I said earlier, so when you're looking at alignment, when you're looking at that org chart, for everybody on your team to recognize this is why I'm here.
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Um, this is my number one goal of of my of my role.
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But within that, too, most people can't say, so like if you're on our platforms and if you're if you're on our on our app, you get this nudge every single Monday saying, hey, declare your target for this week.
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Like, what are you putting your energy on?
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What are you, what's your what's your promise for you to be able to deliver for this week?
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Super important.
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The one that people miss out on is the momentum card.
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Here's why is because I don't I don't look at momentum as far as like what more can we do so we can go faster.
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I look at momentum as do are you able to clearly identify the things that are slowing you down?
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And do you have the ability to modify or remove those things from your life so you can go faster, so you can get bet more things done?
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Like what's the big distraction?
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Yeah, that's uh distractions are bad.
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That's yeah.
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Absolutely.
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That's how smart I am.
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Well, I I I think when it comes to I distractions are are are bad.
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But distractions, like as long as you know that they're distractions, can help you become the best version of yourself.
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That is true.
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That is true.
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So here's a question for growing companies.
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When a company is growing or changing fast, what should leaders do first?
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Clarify vision, improve communication, or rebuild systems?
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All the above.
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Um Well, because if you think about it, is that um vision should be a vision should be act, it should be a noun and it should be a verb.
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It should be an active living part of your organization organization.
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It should be a part of your living organism.
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So like um, like here with with teams.coach, also with within my on my on my creative team, we talk about vision as being active.
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It's something where it's inescapable.
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Um, like I don't want anybody on my team to ever have to guess what vi what our vision is.
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And so I want to make sure that that's active and that's aware.
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Same thing with our mission and our value statements and our attributes and our behaviors.
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Like it's it's active, it's in real time.
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Your systems, so when we think about it, just like structure is your gateway to effective, um, effective strategy, your systems are your gateway to effective scale.
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So when you're thinking about an organization that's moving incredibly fast, your systems, you have to be able to adapt your systems in order for you to actually be scalable because the business world is changing at lightning speed now today.
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Your systems have to be adaptable to what's actually happening in real time today.
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And guess what?
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Your systems that were relevant yesterday, they're not gonna be relevant tomorrow.
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So so you know, keep that on your radar.
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But your speed of communication determines your speed of culture.
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So again, you want to keep so if structure is your gateway to effective strategy, communication is gonna be your secret weapon for you to be able to have effective strategies.
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So all three of them are in sync or gotta be at the rest.
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Yeah.
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Great question.
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Great question.
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Yeah, that's a great answer.
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So let's get down to the match of the show.
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If you could match every leader with just one habit or idea or even a practice to build a stronger team, what would it be?
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Um I would say I would say the the practice of proximity.
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Um and here's what I mean by that is you can't you can't um you can't build a great team and you can't replicate yourself in leadership unless you unless you spend time with people.
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And so build your team by design and know who you're inviting in.
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Surround yourself with the five loudest voices that you feel like are the people that can carry, carry, you know, the vision for your organization and for your business the best.
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But spend try to spend time with the people that you feel like that can actually replicate the things that you do.
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The faster that you can replicate who you are as a business leader will immediately give you return.
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Like, so the faster that you can do that, so when it comes to your character, when it comes to your competency, when it comes to your chemistry, when it comes to your centric value systems, when it comes to your vision, the faster that you can replicate those things in other people will determine the type of scale and impact that your organization can have.
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Because if I was if if if I'm coaching you or if I'm coaching other leaders, the first thing I'm going is like, okay, I need to figure out how to get more out of you.
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In order to get more out of you, I have to open up your bandwidth.
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So I need to figure out ways to be able to have more people do what you do inside of your organization.
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I like that.
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What is one action a leader can take this week to create more alignment and momentum with their team?
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To be a contagious and vivacious visionary.
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Never allow your a day to go by without vision to be present in something that you're doing, whether it's through your email communication, whether that's through a team meeting, whether that's through email communication, whatever whatever it is, make sure that vision is alive.
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You know, one of the things, um, one of my friends, his name's Jeff Hazelett, he's the he's the he's the chairman of the board for the C-suite network and former CMO of Eastman Kodak.
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He puts he puts whatever it is in the signature line of of his email communication, and he changes it up like weekly.
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So if there's times when I'll get an email from him and then I'll notice that he changed out the PS at the very bottom of his email, but he puts a PS in a signature line for his emails.
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So whatever the most important thing that he needs his team to know about for that week, it's there.
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Make sure that every single email has it on there so everybody gets it.
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Interesting.
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I like that.
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Very complicated, very simple.
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Yeah.
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So, Michael, where should people connect with you if they want to build a healthier, more aligned team?
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Thank you for that opportunity.
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When I um when I first started executive coaching, I started off with the idea that again, like I said, I wanted to help people to be able to make sure that they were a part of a team that never fails and to for them to escape the idea of ever being a part of a bad team again.
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We started a a film series in which I combined creativity and micro keynotes.
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And the part of that vision was is that I wanted to be able to create a resource that that organizations can actually utilize our creative films within their companies.
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So if you're looking for creative resources and if you're looking for keynotes for conferences, team events, et cetera, or if you'd love to have me uh invited into any type of coaching experience, please check out michaelking junior.com.
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So that's michaelkingjr.com, or go to teams.coach and you can see everything that we're currently doing in real time.
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And if you haven't seen the videos that Michael's putting out, you're missing out.
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Amazing.
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That's all I'm gonna say.
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So to wrap it up, that was a great reminder, the conversation, that leadership is not just about having a vision, it is about creating the structure, trust, clarity, and momentum that help people move together.
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Thanks for joining us on the leadership match.
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Leadership is built one conversation, one connection, and one action at a time.
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If this conversation gave you one idea to act, um great.
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Subscribe, share it with another leader, and I'll see you in the next match.
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Thank you, Michael.
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Hey, thank you, Martin.