Full Transcript for TLF Special Interview: Clark Duke | Director of STRANGLEHOLD

listeners don't know. When do you 82 00:04:09.210 --> 00:04:10.090 start listening to the laps fan? 83 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:15.750 It was a long time ago. I mean, I think 84 00:04:15.789 --> 00:04:19.069 it may have been like really soon after you guys started. Wow. 85 00:04:20.750 --> 00:04:24.410 Because I've pretty much listened straight through to everything. And 86 00:04:24.449 --> 00:04:27.139 I don't think and I know when I started listening, 87 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:31.139 the back catalog was not, you know, like if you 88 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:33.220 started now, I don't know how you'd ever kind of 89 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:35.420 get caught up. But it was it was still manageable 90 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:40.149 when I started. So it's been, you know. Years and years. 91 00:04:40.449 --> 00:04:42.310 I feel like since COVID, I have no sense of 92 00:04:42.370 --> 00:04:43.509 time also. 93 00:04:43.540 --> 00:04:44.329 Totally. Forget it. 94 00:04:44.500 --> 00:04:44.689 Yeah. 95 00:04:45.500 --> 00:04:45.740 Yeah. 96 00:04:45.819 --> 00:04:47.899 And COVID in LA, I feel like was different than 97 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:49.980 other places because I feel like everybody else had like 98 00:04:50.019 --> 00:04:51.519 six months and we had like three and a half 99 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:56.720 years out here. So, yeah, I really have no sense 100 00:04:56.759 --> 00:05:02.709 of time since about 2020, but a long time. I mean, yeah, 101 00:05:02.790 --> 00:05:04.949 like long time listener, first time caller. Yeah. 102 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:05.980 Oh, that's wonderful. 103 00:05:06.180 --> 00:05:07.980 Well, what do you, do you sort of remember like 104 00:05:08.019 --> 00:05:10.000 how it landed on your radar? For a lot of people, 105 00:05:10.019 --> 00:05:12.259 it was when we had Dave Meltzer on to look 106 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:14.199 at WrestleManias and StarCasts past. 107 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:17.550 I think that, I think that was the first stuff 108 00:05:17.610 --> 00:05:19.949 I listened back to in the catalog, but the initial 109 00:05:19.990 --> 00:05:24.089 way that I found it was, you know, I was 110 00:05:24.290 --> 00:05:28.730 looking for, and this is sort of the same way 111 00:05:28.769 --> 00:05:30.910 that I approach like these movies that I'm making. I 112 00:05:31.649 --> 00:05:34.009 was looking for the thing that I wanted to exist. 113 00:05:36.009 --> 00:05:38.420 And then I found it in, in the pod. 114 00:05:38.829 --> 00:05:41.699 Correct. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Sounds good. 115 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:42.199 Yeah. Join. 116 00:05:42.660 --> 00:05:43.720 Cause I just, I just kind. 117 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:46.459 Of made, I made the route, you know, I tried 118 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:51.519 listening to every wrestling podcast that I could find. And 119 00:05:52.189 --> 00:05:57.730 this was the only one that, that just scratched that 120 00:05:57.810 --> 00:06:03.379 itch that did that, that, that, Like I was trying 121 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:05.120 to describe it to somebody the other day, because it's 122 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:06.620 a really hard thing to even like, I mean, I'm 123 00:06:06.660 --> 00:06:08.779 sure you guys know this. Everybody listening knows this with 124 00:06:08.819 --> 00:06:11.279 people in their lives to try to explain that is 125 00:06:11.300 --> 00:06:14.689 almost impossible. And even if you have wrestling fan friends 126 00:06:14.730 --> 00:06:16.209 to try to get, once you get them to listen 127 00:06:16.269 --> 00:06:18.790 to it, it's still, it's like, it's like the old 128 00:06:18.850 --> 00:06:20.629 Stern show, you know, it's just kind of like you're 129 00:06:20.649 --> 00:06:21.449 either in or you're not. 130 00:06:22.029 --> 00:06:22.189 Right. 131 00:06:22.209 --> 00:06:22.350 Yep. 132 00:06:23.089 --> 00:06:24.209 Yep. Yeah. 133 00:06:24.230 --> 00:06:26.110 I think that's, I was in, I was in immediately. 134 00:06:26.170 --> 00:06:27.149 That's, that's it. Yeah. 135 00:06:27.170 --> 00:06:28.649 That's one of the nice things is we kind of 136 00:06:28.689 --> 00:06:30.629 get the, the jokers out of the deck right away. 137 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:35.079 just because it's so not designed to appeal to everybody. 138 00:06:35.379 --> 00:06:38.579 But okay, boss, I think Clark has established his bona fides. 139 00:06:38.819 --> 00:06:41.660 People now understand why he was allowed past the velvet rope. 140 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:48.209 He's legit. I remember when he followed the show on Instagram, 141 00:06:48.490 --> 00:06:52.389 and I was like, wait, what? I was like, what? 142 00:06:52.410 --> 00:06:59.839 The Dizook? The Dizook dude? What, brother? What's wrong, brother? Um, and, uh, 143 00:06:59.959 --> 00:07:04.079 I was like, this is wild. Cause you know, didn't 144 00:07:04.100 --> 00:07:08.019 have anyone of, you know, your stature, if you will, like, uh, 145 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:10.540 following us at that time. And it was hilarious. And 146 00:07:10.579 --> 00:07:12.819 I was like, Oh my God, that's, that's, that's crazy. 147 00:07:12.860 --> 00:07:15.100 And then I'm thinking to myself, wait, he's a fan. 148 00:07:15.139 --> 00:07:17.839 He's also a wrestling fan too. Like what the fuck? 149 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:18.720 It's all crazy. 150 00:07:18.740 --> 00:07:21.490 Now, now I go back and watch Arkansas and I 151 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:25.209 see he's got a WWF t-shirt in many scenes and 152 00:07:25.250 --> 00:07:26.649 it all starts to add up. 153 00:07:26.949 --> 00:07:30.550 Um, I think that might qualify Arkansas for cinema. There 154 00:07:30.589 --> 00:07:33.350 was the sheer amount of shirts, the volume of shirts. 155 00:07:33.449 --> 00:07:36.720 There was something else too, that I think, I forget 156 00:07:36.740 --> 00:07:39.199 what it was. I, I, it is, it does qualify. 157 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:42.000 I forget what the other reason is. Look, can I 158 00:07:42.019 -->

00:07:42.439 just say this? 159 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.740 If the director follows that fucking cast, it qualifies. 160 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:47.500 That's a good point. That's a very good point. 161 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:51.879 I don't care if the movie's about French impressionism, although 162 00:07:51.899 --> 00:07:53.360 that qualifies as well, doesn't it? 163 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:53.699 Yes, it does. 164 00:07:54.620 --> 00:07:56.649 We've talked about that over the years. I guess you 165 00:07:56.670 --> 00:07:59.709 got to do a Barth biopic next. That's what you 166 00:07:59.730 --> 00:08:01.970 should do. 167 00:08:02.029 --> 00:08:05.029 Before Boss launches, let me just get this one in, Clark, 168 00:08:05.050 --> 00:08:07.800 because this is a question I should ask because JP 169 00:08:07.949 --> 00:08:10.839 asking it might be weird. But how did you think 170 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:14.019 to bring JP to Stranglehold? 171 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:19.259 So we were filming the movie in New Jersey. And 172 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:21.589 this was, yeah, like you said, two summers ago at 173 00:08:21.610 --> 00:08:27.480 this point because movies– just take fucking forever. Right. And I, 174 00:08:29.259 --> 00:08:31.000 you know, I had the main cast that we had 175 00:08:31.259 --> 00:08:34.460 flown in from LA, but then a lot of the 176 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:37.080 supporting roles we were trying to do, they had just 177 00:08:37.100 --> 00:08:38.580 told me like, Oh, it's no big deal. You know, 178 00:08:38.620 --> 00:08:40.250 we're so close to where I have, we're an hour 179 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:42.610 out of New York city. There's so many people, it's 180 00:08:42.649 --> 00:08:46.669 going to be no problem. And they were just sending 181 00:08:46.710 --> 00:08:48.490 me absolute fucking bozos. 182 00:08:48.870 --> 00:08:49.049 Wow. 183 00:08:49.509 --> 00:08:52.100 And I was just like, I got to just start 184 00:08:52.139 --> 00:08:53.799 like thinking like, who do I know in New York 185 00:08:55.100 --> 00:08:57.799 or on the East coast? And me and JP had 186 00:08:57.820 --> 00:08:59.759 never spoken before. I mean, like you, like you said, 187 00:08:59.840 --> 00:09:03.379 I did follow you guys on Instagram. I really had 188 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:05.379 no idea what either one of you look like because 189 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:09.059 your Instagram presence, you know, is nowhere. I mean, I mean, 190 00:09:09.100 --> 00:09:10.779 it is a little bit now a little more, but 191 00:09:10.820 --> 00:09:14.220 like it was, I feel like there's only like a 192 00:09:14.259 --> 00:09:17.250 couple of videos of Jack in existence, but you know, JP, 193 00:09:17.289 --> 00:09:19.129 like I did a little digging and somebody looked like, 194 00:09:19.149 --> 00:09:21.710 I was like, Oh, this is fucking perfect. but I 195 00:09:21.769 --> 00:09:25.649 literally just DM'd you on Instagram. And it was like, 196 00:09:25.730 --> 00:09:27.570 and it was, wasn't it like two days before I 197 00:09:27.610 --> 00:09:29.250 needed you to be there too? It was like, it 198 00:09:29.289 --> 00:09:30.049 was really soon. 199 00:09:30.169 --> 00:09:32.610 It was something like that. And so, you know, I 200 00:09:33.470 --> 00:09:37.149 wake up at whatever time my alarm goes off to 201 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:39.559 wake my kid up to go to school. Okay. And 202 00:09:39.580 --> 00:09:42.000 I get up hour and a half earlier so I 203 00:09:42.019 --> 00:09:42.740 can get everything ready. 204 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:46.460 And then Like Mark Wahlberg, you're in the gym at 205 00:09:46.460 --> 00:09:46.659 4 a.m. 206 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:47.700 Exactly. That's exactly right. 207 00:09:47.740 --> 00:09:50.379 Then you got nine holes of golf and then kids 208 00:09:50.470 --> 00:09:50.779 at school. 209 00:09:50.870 --> 00:09:53.389 Freddie Roach is waiting with a latte. 210 00:09:54.090 --> 00:10:00.840 We're actually recording this at 3.30 a.m. It's 1.30 on 211 00:10:00.860 --> 00:10:02.759 the West Coast. It's 1.30 here. 212 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:06.519 Lest you doubt our claims of 0% body fat. 213 00:10:08.889 --> 00:10:10.929 So it's funny you say the gym too, because so 214 00:10:10.990 --> 00:10:13.909 I wake up and I see this message and I 215 00:10:13.909 --> 00:10:16.690 was like, what the fuck? And I open it up 216 00:10:16.889 --> 00:10:19.070 and he says, look, dude, if you're around, you know, 217 00:10:19.289 --> 00:10:22.960 do you want to be in this movie? I started panicking. 218 00:10:22.980 --> 00:10:28.129 I started panicking. You know, because in a weird way, 219 00:10:28.350 --> 00:10:30.049 you know, if I can, you know, to be honest. 220 00:10:31.409 --> 00:10:33.850 I don't know. It's so, it feels shitty to say, 221 00:10:33.889 --> 00:10:35.330 but there was always a part of me that's like, oh, 222 00:10:35.450 --> 00:10:37.690 you know, maybe this will lead to something like that. 223 00:10:38.009 --> 00:10:39.809 Maybe this will lead to something. Maybe somebody out there 224 00:10:39.830 --> 00:10:40.970 is going to listen and say, hey, you know what? 225 00:10:41.009 --> 00:10:44.950 He can do that. And so I, I just, it 226 00:10:45.009 --> 00:10:47.210 hadn't happened yet. And so all of a sudden I 227 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:51.200 get the, and I am freaking out. I am pacing 228 00:10:51.220 --> 00:10:55.649 around my bedroom. My wife is asleep. And I ended 229 00:10:55.690 --> 00:10:57.090 up saying, I got to get this, I got to 230 00:10:57.110 --> 00:10:59.029 get this adrenaline out of my body. I need to 231 00:10:59.049 --> 00:11:00.610 get it out of my body. So I get on 232 00:11:00.629 --> 00:11:03.100 the Peloton, which used to be in our, in our room. 233 00:11:03.179 --> 00:11:05.000 And I'm just going. Before you respond, you got to 234 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:07.080 get a Peloton. Well, I got to like, you know, 235 00:11:07.179 --> 00:11:09.879

cause he's giving dates too. And I'm like, well, I, 236 00:11:10.299 --> 00:11:13.409 you know, that involves childcare and all sorts of different 237 00:11:13.450 --> 00:11:15.210 kinds of things to set up. And I want to 238 00:11:15.250 --> 00:11:18.210 make sure that it it's okay. And so I have 239 00:11:18.230 --> 00:11:19.610 to wait for my wife to get up. So I'm 240 00:11:19.629 --> 00:11:21.870 like peddling and peddling and peddling and peddling. She's like, 241 00:11:22.509 --> 00:11:25.799 what are you doing? What is wrong with you? I said, 242 00:11:25.820 --> 00:11:30.179 I just got off at a fucking movie. I was like, great. 243 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:31.340 You're up. Great. You're up. Great. 244 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:33.860 Let's talk. Let's talk right now. And, and then that's 245 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:36.700 what happened. And then, you know, then we, then he 246 00:11:36.759 --> 00:11:40.980 sent me the script and yeah, it was, I was, 247 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:43.279 I was so excited. It was such a thrill. 248 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:46.179 That warms my heart. That's good. That's, that's fucking excellent 249 00:11:46.220 --> 00:11:47.639 to hear. Like that's, that's beautiful. 250 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:52.789 It was honestly, you know, it's, it's, I don't want 251 00:11:52.809 --> 00:11:54.429 to say too much right now, but I do want 252 00:11:54.450 --> 00:11:56.830 to say I loved being on set so much. It 253 00:11:56.870 --> 00:12:01.340 was such a great experience. And I, I, I always 254 00:12:01.379 --> 00:12:03.539 love being on set, but I'd never been on a 255 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:05.759 movie set before. I'd always been, it's always TV that 256 00:12:05.779 --> 00:12:08.820 I've done. And so it's like, it's different. It's very different. 257 00:12:09.649 --> 00:12:12.149 And it was like, oh yeah, this is the pace 258 00:12:12.190 --> 00:12:16.950 I like. I like this pace way better. And so, yeah, 259 00:12:17.070 --> 00:12:19.889 so thank you brother. 260 00:12:20.649 --> 00:12:22.070 Oh man. What brother? 261 00:12:22.690 --> 00:12:24.879 Um, thank you. Exactly. 262 00:12:24.929 --> 00:12:27.580 No, I, that's, that, that makes me feel really happy 263 00:12:27.620 --> 00:12:30.720 because you guys have brought me so many, uh, hundreds 264 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:34.279 of hours of, of joy. So to, to give you 265 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:36.039 the single hour, uh, that's beautiful. 266 00:12:36.710 --> 00:12:37.090 Thanks, man. 267 00:12:37.129 --> 00:12:39.629 But no, it was that fast. And there were, you know, 268 00:12:39.649 --> 00:12:43.500 that's how a lot of the, a lot of the 269 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:45.809 other guys that are in the movie was sort of, 270 00:12:46.379 --> 00:12:50.340 were sort of hired under a similar frantic duress. Like 271 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:52.610 all those guys in the parking lot with my brother 272 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:55.509 that are like my brother's crew of guys, like that's, 273 00:12:55.529 --> 00:12:57.289 you know, that Ryan Nemeth is there. 274 00:12:57.309 --> 00:12:57.379 Yep. 275 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:00.899 And the other guys are like Chris Candy, who is 276 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:02.659 one of my best friends in the world from college, 277 00:13:03.350 --> 00:13:06.769 who listeners probably know from the great documentary about his dad, 278 00:13:06.789 --> 00:13:08.710 John Candy, that he's been making the rounds with. And 279 00:13:08.730 --> 00:13:12.190 I think they won an Emmy for something over the weekend. 280 00:13:14.429 --> 00:13:18.549 And I literally was just like calling people like, can 281 00:13:18.590 --> 00:13:23.759 you be here? Like Ryan Nemeth, I think flew from Australia. Yeah. 282 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:26.830 Like to be in the movie, like, like, like, like 283 00:13:26.870 --> 00:13:30.789 he traveled like a really bizarre amount of out, like, like, like, 284 00:13:30.929 --> 00:13:33.350 like more than a day. You know what I mean? Like, 285 00:13:33.389 --> 00:13:34.850 it was like, it was like an amount of hours 286 00:13:34.889 --> 00:13:37.149 that was like more than a full day just to 287 00:13:37.190 --> 00:13:38.210 get there type of thing. 288 00:13:39.269 --> 00:13:42.539 He flies from Australia, but you couldn't get Nash to 289 00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:43.620 fly in from Dato. 290 00:13:45.740 --> 00:13:48.759 So, so Nash was going to be in the movie. 291 00:13:49.570 --> 00:13:51.950 Which if I could have gotten Ash and you in 292 00:13:51.990 --> 00:13:54.210 the same room, like that was, that was also kind 293 00:13:54.230 --> 00:13:56.389 of part of my calculus, to be honest, like in 294 00:13:56.429 --> 00:13:56.809 my head. 295 00:13:56.830 --> 00:13:57.730 My man. 296 00:13:59.350 --> 00:14:00.889 And just get you guys, it's cause he was going 297 00:14:00.909 --> 00:14:02.710 to drive too. So like I could get you guys 298 00:14:02.730 --> 00:14:08.200 talking about routes. And that, that was kind of my 299 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:12.019 dream for the film. But then yeah, his agent told 300 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:14.820 us that, you know, he was not mentally in a 301 00:14:14.860 --> 00:14:18.690 place at the time. Cause this was, Not long after 302 00:14:18.730 --> 00:14:21.529 his son had passed. So I was like, yeah, that 303 00:14:21.570 --> 00:14:28.210 makes sense. But we got the great Brian Posehn instead, 304 00:14:28.269 --> 00:14:29.610 which is. 305 00:14:30.269 --> 00:14:33.110 That was hilarious. You know. He was hilarious. 306 00:14:33.129 --> 00:14:36.330 Yeah, he's so great in the movie. And it's a... Yeah, 307 00:14:36.590 --> 00:14:39.529 it worked out like it was supposed to. Although I would... Yeah. 308 00:14:40.110 --> 00:14:42.629 I still, at some point, I want to... I've actually 309 00:14:42.649 --> 00:14:44.980 had a couple of bizarre phone calls with Nash. Like 310 00:14:45.100 --> 00:14:49.769 one time... somebody I knew just gave me

his phone 311 00:14:49.809 --> 00:14:52.009 number like a few years ago. And it wasn't somebody 312 00:14:52.029 --> 00:14:54.870 through wrestling. It was somebody that like, uh, had, it 313 00:14:54.889 --> 00:14:57.070 was like a, like a PR thing. And they'd done 314 00:14:57.090 --> 00:15:00.549 like a charity deal with them. And, and she was like, 315 00:15:00.870 --> 00:15:02.269 you got to call him. Like he wants to talk 316 00:15:02.289 --> 00:15:03.639 to you. He's expecting you. I told him you were 317 00:15:03.659 --> 00:15:06.539 going to call. He's really excited. And I call him 318 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:12.799 and he answers, you know, hello. And I, you know, 319 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:14.419 I start, I tell him who I am and I 320 00:15:14.460 --> 00:15:17.620 start talking to him a little bit. And he instantly, 321 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:19.860 he goes, oh, hey, man. Yeah, I'm at the gym 322 00:15:19.940 --> 00:15:22.440 right now. Let me call you back in 15. And 323 00:15:22.460 --> 00:15:24.000 I never heard from Kevin Nash ever again. 324 00:15:27.299 --> 00:15:30.500 That sounds about right. That sounds about right. 325 00:15:30.539 --> 00:15:31.750 Yeah. 326 00:15:31.889 --> 00:15:32.610 Must be Sativa. 327 00:15:33.470 --> 00:15:37.070 It was honestly, it was exactly like what I wanted 328 00:15:37.090 --> 00:15:38.330 from my Kevin Nash experience. 329 00:15:38.350 --> 00:15:40.970 It sounded like he valentined you. Like what happened with 330 00:15:41.029 --> 00:15:43.330 us with Greg Valentine. Yeah, come back tomorrow. We'll do 331 00:15:43.350 --> 00:15:47.610 the interview tomorrow. And he's gone on a plane. No, 332 00:15:47.669 --> 00:15:50.470 knowing full well he won't be there. Exactly. That's exactly it. 333 00:15:50.509 --> 00:15:52.090 He's like, nope, I'm not, I'm not actually going to 334 00:15:52.110 --> 00:15:53.149 call him back, but I'm going to tell him I'm 335 00:15:53.169 --> 00:15:55.570 going to call him back and we'll call it a day. Look, 336 00:15:55.590 --> 00:15:57.690 could you send me the route for some bedtime reading? 337 00:16:04.129 --> 00:16:06.129 I just never could figure out like why I answered 338 00:16:06.350 --> 00:16:08.990 or what, um, what the person had told him. Like 339 00:16:09.029 --> 00:16:10.669 the reason was, um, I'll never know. 340 00:16:12.769 --> 00:16:17.159 That's awesome. That's fantastic. Um, You got, I mean, but 341 00:16:17.179 --> 00:16:20.419 that's not all you have again, quite a slew of, Oh, 342 00:16:21.299 --> 00:16:22.960 hold on. Actually, there's something I want, I want to say. 343 00:16:23.019 --> 00:16:28.639 So yeah. So, you know, cause when the, the, the 344 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:32.580 Brian Posner's character gets shot. Now I had a great line. 345 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:36.120 I had a great line that I, when I said 346 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:39.690 there was a reaction, which was, what is this? The 347 00:16:39.730 --> 00:16:41.289 Sam Peckinpah

Christmas special. 348 00:16:42.470 --> 00:16:42.850 Yeah. 349 00:16:43.429 --> 00:16:49.059 Yeah. And, What happened, man? What happened? 350 00:16:49.139 --> 00:16:51.320 You got to kill your darlings. You know, that's kind 351 00:16:51.379 --> 00:16:53.980 of the, that's the first thing they teach you. Um, 352 00:16:55.870 --> 00:16:59.850 it just, it just, it, it took away from the, 353 00:17:00.269 --> 00:17:03.669 the visceral reaction shot and the, and the violence of 354 00:17:03.690 --> 00:17:06.049 the thing to, to have a laugh line there. 355 00:17:06.069 --> 00:17:06.630 Yep. 356 00:17:07.210 --> 00:17:08.450 You had, you had a bunch of good ones. You 357 00:17:08.470 --> 00:17:10.380 had a few that I really liked there though. Um, 358 00:17:11.259 --> 00:17:13.220 but yeah, you know, you got to always serve the 359 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:13.799 larger film. 360 00:17:14.130 --> 00:17:15.430 I know I was, I was, it was funny. We 361 00:17:15.470 --> 00:17:18.450 were actually talking about that before, before you came on. 362 00:17:18.490 --> 00:17:20.900 It was like, you know, you really, I actually, I, 363 00:17:22.029 --> 00:17:23.789 I agree. I agree with that. It would have been 364 00:17:23.849 --> 00:17:26.799 awkward there. I, I, it, I was like, no, he 365 00:17:26.819 --> 00:17:29.279 made all the right choices and, and cutting that stuff 366 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:33.200 because it's like, it takes away from it. Just, yeah. 367 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:35.740 It takes away from the straight narrative that you got 368 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:38.319 going on, which is tremendous by the way. Yeah. 369 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:39.799 Thank you. 370 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:40.019 Yeah. 371 00:17:40.059 --> 00:17:42.660 I mean, David Arquette had so much. Oh, David Arquette, 372 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:47.809 another wrestler. Oh my God. Yeah. Former WCV world champion. Um, 373 00:17:48.890 --> 00:17:51.609 Arquette had so much really, really funny stuff that I 374 00:17:51.650 --> 00:17:54.789 had to cut, unfortunately. Um, but just for the same 375 00:17:54.829 --> 00:17:56.950 reason of just like, you can't just like pause for 376 00:17:56.990 --> 00:17:58.190 five minutes in the middle of the movie. 377 00:17:58.230 --> 00:18:00.019 And I know, well, I mean, I guess you could, 378 00:18:00.259 --> 00:18:02.019 but yeah, but it's, it's not, it's not a lapsed 379 00:18:02.059 --> 00:18:04.519 fan episode, you know, but you can just do that. 380 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:06.539 Yeah. That's it. 381 00:18:06.579 --> 00:18:06.759 Right. 382 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:08.440 That's the difference between a movie and a podcast. Yeah. 383 00:18:09.230 --> 00:18:13.069 in some ways, but yeah, I agree. Doquette was bloody hilarious. 384 00:18:13.109 --> 00:18:15.559 So I can imagine. You should have, he on set, 385 00:18:15.619 --> 00:18:18.799 he was an absolute riot. I remember all, I remember, 386 00:18:18.819 --> 00:18:21.180 I don't remember what he did, but I remember everyone 387 00:18:21.220 --> 00:18:25.119 was just dying with everything he said from up in 388 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:26.869 that little, that little booth he was in. 389 00:18:28.190 --> 00:18:28.490 Yeah. 390 00:18:28.569 --> 00:18:30.950 I mean, he's an example of, of somebody that's just 391 00:18:30.990 --> 00:18:33.930 such a pro that they can show up and take 392 00:18:33.970 --> 00:18:36.289 something that's not that much on the page and just like, 393 00:18:36.859 --> 00:18:39.579 turn it into something special. Like, the only other person 394 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:44.539 I've really seen, like, with my own eyes, like, in 395 00:18:44.579 --> 00:18:48.289 person do that was John Cryer. Like, I was on 396 00:18:48.329 --> 00:18:50.970 the last season of Two and a Half Men. And, like, those, 397 00:18:51.049 --> 00:18:52.710 you know, a lot of those scripts, I'd be reading these, 398 00:18:52.750 --> 00:18:55.130 I'd be like, man, these are just not great. Like, 399 00:18:55.150 --> 00:18:58.170 what's Cryer going to do with this one? And then 400 00:18:58.369 --> 00:19:00.750 you would watch him rehearse it, and he would just, like, 401 00:19:00.789 --> 00:19:04.710 through sheer willpower, like, make this shit work. And I 402 00:19:04.730 --> 00:19:07.740 was like, man, this guy... this guy is a fucking 403 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:12.500 like masterclass in, in, uh, in our kids like that. 404 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:16.880 I think it's just, um, you know, it's like that, 405 00:19:16.900 --> 00:19:18.980 that 10,000 hours or a hundred thousand hours, whatever it is, 406 00:19:19.029 --> 00:19:21.930 he's probably got a hundred thousand hours at this point. 407 00:19:22.769 --> 00:19:24.849 He was, uh, I mean, you were busy, so I 408 00:19:25.509 --> 00:19:29.730 imagine you didn't really, uh, see our cat off set 409 00:19:29.750 --> 00:19:33.349 that much. Uh, but like when we were waiting, um, 410 00:19:34.390 --> 00:19:37.259 you know, in the tents and stuff, he was always 411 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:39.400 watching a classic movie on his phone. 412 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:41.019 That's awesome. 413 00:19:41.059 --> 00:19:43.099 He would go right, like he would come, he'd come, 414 00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:45.710 he'd sit down. He wouldn't talk to anybody. He just 415 00:19:45.730 --> 00:19:48.529 would put on, put in, you know, headphones or earbuds, 416 00:19:48.549 --> 00:19:51.559 whatever he had. And, watch. I mean, I saw on 417 00:19:51.579 --> 00:19:53.529 his phone, it was black and white movie. He's always 418 00:19:53.549 --> 00:19:55.269 turned into a black and white movie. It was pretty, yeah, 419 00:19:55.289 --> 00:19:57.190 it was pretty cool. I like, I like, I dig that. 420 00:19:58.049 --> 00:19:59.589 I don't want to, I don't, I don't want to 421 00:19:59.609 --> 00:20:01.349 bother him. Like I don't want to talk to him. 422 00:20:01.390 --> 00:20:03.529 I want him to enjoy his movie. Cause I

would, 423 00:20:03.849 --> 00:20:05.670 if I was doing that, I'd want to, I'd want 424 00:20:05.690 --> 00:20:08.440 the same thing. Sounds like that was really, that was 425 00:20:08.460 --> 00:20:08.759 really cool. 426 00:20:10.339 --> 00:20:13.359 He's a great guy. He's a, he's a, somebody I've 427 00:20:13.380 --> 00:20:15.819 been friends with for a long time, years and years. Really? 428 00:20:17.180 --> 00:20:18.319 Where'd you guys, how'd you guys meet? 429 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:25.160 We met through, we had a couple of mutual friends 430 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:26.849 in LA and I just used to see him at 431 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:29.849 all the, um, all the shows. Like, I mean, like 432 00:20:29.950 --> 00:20:32.509 this is like those kind of like wilderness years for 433 00:20:32.750 --> 00:20:35.730 WWE when they were, you know, just, just really like 434 00:20:35.789 --> 00:20:38.569 unwatchably bad, you know, like the, the, like. 435 00:20:38.410 --> 00:20:40.230 2010, uh, Yeah. 436 00:20:40.299 --> 00:20:43.220 Um, and there was just this area at Staples where 437 00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:45.319 they would just like, like now it's really hard to 438 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:47.799 get tickets for like, even, but they would just like, 439 00:20:48.380 --> 00:20:50.039 I mean, they were just giving these cops away. I mean, 440 00:20:50.059 --> 00:20:53.259 they were like begging people to come in LA, you know? Um, 441 00:20:53.660 --> 00:20:55.059 now they like charge you if you want to go 442 00:20:55.099 --> 00:20:58.539 to WrestleMania and stuff, but this was in that year 443 00:20:58.599 --> 00:21:00.460 and it would just always be like, you would just 444 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:02.640 see the same people over and over. I'm just, yeah. 445 00:21:02.660 --> 00:21:04.880 I would always run a David there. Vincent Gallo would 446 00:21:04.900 --> 00:21:05.480 always be there. 447 00:21:05.500 --> 00:21:06.019 Rick Rubin. 448 00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:10.240 Um, Well, Rick Rubin was always there. I think I 449 00:21:10.289 --> 00:21:11.970 only saw Gallo once or twice, to be honest. 450 00:21:11.990 --> 00:21:13.269 Yeah, Rubin's a huge fan. 451 00:21:14.190 --> 00:21:18.809 Yep, he was always there. That's where I met... Yeah, 452 00:21:18.829 --> 00:21:23.579 that's where I met Dipperstein, Rosenberg, and David Shoemaker. You know, 453 00:21:24.019 --> 00:21:24.640 all those guys. 454 00:21:26.420 --> 00:21:29.259 That's... With Arquette, I mean, you must have talked to 455 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:32.420 him about the WCW title. Like, how does he talk 456 00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:32.759 about it? 457 00:21:33.900 --> 00:21:37.059 Yeah. I send him videos because I watched that... the 458 00:21:37.099 --> 00:21:39.009 YouTube vault stuff all the time that they got the, 459 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:42.630 the WCW vault channel on YouTube. And I just, that's 460 00:21:42.650 --> 00:21:44.809 like my default kind of just, I just put the live, 461 00:21:44.990 --> 00:21:46.470 the live stream on just whatever's on there. 462 00:21:46.529 --> 00:21:46.990 That's awesome. 463 00:21:47.190 --> 00:21:50.049 And yeah, whenever, whenever they, they have the Arquette stuff up, 464 00:21:50.109 --> 00:21:51.730 I always like send them pictures and I've got a 465 00:21:51.789 --> 00:21:53.849 fake WCW title built in my garage. 466 00:21:54.710 --> 00:21:57.400 Hey, you know who else had a fake WCW title? 467 00:21:57.420 --> 00:21:58.059 David Arquette. 468 00:22:01.849 --> 00:22:06.259 Yeah. Yeah. You know, he speaks about it really fondly. Like, 469 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:08.819 I don't know. Did you guys see his documentary he made? 470 00:22:09.099 --> 00:22:10.299 You Cannot Kill David Arquette? 471 00:22:10.380 --> 00:22:11.720 Yeah. I watched part of it. I didn't watch the 472 00:22:11.740 --> 00:22:15.400 whole thing because I did it for research. 473 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:19.430 I loved it. I thought it was so fun. But, 474 00:22:20.410 --> 00:22:22.769 you know, I think he had that kind of bittersweet 475 00:22:23.210 --> 00:22:26.970 feeling about the whole thing of like– you know, a 476 00:22:26.970 --> 00:22:28.190 lot of people treat it as a joke. And I 477 00:22:28.259 --> 00:22:30.200 think it was not a joke to him. I mean, 478 00:22:30.220 --> 00:22:32.660 I know it wasn't. He loves wrestling. Like, that's real. 479 00:22:33.900 --> 00:22:35.799 Well, you could tell quickly they pivoted off of it, 480 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:38.900 that he was like, you know, I understand wrestling well 481 00:22:38.940 --> 00:22:41.380 enough to know that this isn't going to do anyone 482 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:44.279 any favors if this continues for more than 24 hours. 483 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:46.720 And he was relinquishing the belt shortly thereafter. I'm not 484 00:22:46.740 --> 00:22:49.460 sure if Russo's ever spoken, whether he actually had a 485 00:22:49.500 --> 00:22:52.119 longer than a week or two reign in mind for 486 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:54.559 David Arquette. But yeah, I thought that was really like 487 00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:56.740 magnanimous of him. The way he came off, it was like, 488 00:22:57.220 --> 00:22:57.859 I get, I get it. 489 00:22:58.140 --> 00:22:59.160 You know, I understand. 490 00:22:59.660 --> 00:23:02.430 He's not pushing against the fans, rejecting him. Like they 491 00:23:02.470 --> 00:23:04.569 booked like a Pat McAfee to do for instance, or 492 00:23:04.589 --> 00:23:05.150 something like that. 493 00:23:06.049 --> 00:23:09.650 Right. Right. Or like when I, when, like I said, 494 00:23:09.670 --> 00:23:12.210 when I guest hosted Monday Night Raw and that's the 495 00:23:12.269 --> 00:23:15.000 only time I've ever been really, really frightened, like stage 496 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:18.950 frightened in my entire life. So like we're at, first 497 00:23:18.990 --> 00:23:20.910 of all, I was, I was extremely hung over cause 498 00:23:20.930 --> 00:23:23.029

WrestleMania was the night before and they had a party 499 00:23:23.109 --> 00:23:26.160 afterwards with all the wrestlers backstage and like all the 500 00:23:26.180 --> 00:23:29.380 wrestlers and like Billy Corgan and me. Um, and, and 501 00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:31.220 that was really surreal cause I was, I was, you know, 502 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:33.220 like 26 or something at the time. 503 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:34.059 Yeah. 504 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:38.150 Um, you're like a bulldog going into SummerSlam 92. 505 00:23:38.150 --> 00:23:42.369 Oh yeah. Yeah, man. I, yeah. So the next day, 506 00:23:42.410 --> 00:23:47.670 like I feel fucking awful. Um, And you have to 507 00:23:47.710 --> 00:23:49.549 get there at the arena, like, you know, really early, like, 508 00:23:49.609 --> 00:23:50.819 like one or two in the, like one in the 509 00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:53.619 afternoon or something. Cause this was a, yeah, this was 510 00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:55.240 in Phoenix. It was a West coast show too. So 511 00:23:55.279 --> 00:23:59.940 it was early typing and I'll never forget like that. 512 00:24:00.579 --> 00:24:02.099 You know, cause we shot all the pre-tape stuff during 513 00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:04.400 the day. That's all fine. Like, like that was really 514 00:24:04.460 --> 00:24:08.019 fun actually. Cause it's like Stephanie McMahon was producing it 515 00:24:08.059 --> 00:24:10.400 and it's all just backstage and like, it's just comedy stuff. 516 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:13.970 But then when the show is live, like, I'll never 517 00:24:14.049 --> 00:24:16.750 forget that being in gorilla position and they handed us 518 00:24:16.789 --> 00:24:21.640 the microphones and you heard our names announced outside and 519 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:26.599 then just 10,000 people booing. And I literally, my hand 520 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:31.240 started shaking and I've never, this had never happened to 521 00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:34.740 me before. And I kind of just blacked out. I 522 00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:36.299 really don't even remember the rest of it. Like, and 523 00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:39.380 I've never, I've never rewatched it. I'm like, even just 524 00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:42.400 like thinking about it gives me anxiety. 525 00:24:43.609 --> 00:24:46.170 That's such a different experience than acting in front of 526 00:24:46.210 --> 00:24:48.769 a camera. I mean, by a mile. Well, it's also, 527 00:24:48.789 --> 00:24:51.470 I mean, you know, I mean the experience of, and 528 00:24:51.490 --> 00:24:53.990 I apologize for laughing, but I, it's, it's funny to 529 00:24:54.029 --> 00:24:55.269 me and I feel horrified. 530 00:24:55.390 --> 00:24:56.450 You should laugh at me. 531 00:24:58.150 --> 00:25:01.930 But like to have the right thousands and thousands of 532 00:25:02.009 --> 00:25:06.869 people just booing you. Why, what, what were you, what 533 00:25:06.910 --> 00:25:07.609 were you promoting? 534 00:25:09.710 --> 00:25:10.490 Hot tub time machine. 535 00:25:10.890 --> 00:25:11.609 Oh, the first one. That's right. 536 00:25:12.349 --> 00:25:13.559 So, The first one, yeah. 537 00:25:13.579 --> 00:25:18.250 I guess coming soon. I remember that. Great. That'll be fun. 538 00:25:20.089 --> 00:25:21.130 And can I say, too? 539 00:25:21.150 --> 00:25:23.720 Wait, what's the qualification for Hotsub? You. 540 00:25:25.109 --> 00:25:28.609 Yeah, this is all. You're like Gene LaBelle now, man. 541 00:25:28.650 --> 00:25:31.970 You are a qualifier. Everything you've done now qualifies. Oh, wow. 542 00:25:32.849 --> 00:25:35.430 Oh, wow. Yeah, this will open up some new stuff eventually. 543 00:25:35.450 --> 00:25:38.210 I think there's a Clark Duke journey coming, honestly. If 544 00:25:39.779 --> 00:25:41.319 I can be honest about it. 545 00:25:41.380 --> 00:25:43.660 I'm hearing the booing again. I'm hearing people booing. 546 00:25:44.509 --> 00:25:46.490 Well, I mean, think of how we could elevate it 547 00:25:46.549 --> 00:25:48.670 by reaching out to Clark for like, what about this? 548 00:25:48.730 --> 00:25:50.930 What about that? I know. It's a whole different experience. 549 00:25:50.950 --> 00:25:52.569 Not to volunteer him, but you know what I mean. 550 00:25:52.650 --> 00:25:54.569 I'll text him and say, hey, you know, what was 551 00:25:54.630 --> 00:25:56.509 Cusack really like to work with? You know, all that 552 00:25:56.549 --> 00:26:02.190 kind of stuff. It's perfect. So, okay. But so you're 553 00:26:02.230 --> 00:26:04.799 out there and I, but I guess, why are they 554 00:26:04.819 --> 00:26:06.680 booing you? What's. 555 00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:08.799 Well, they booed all the guest hosts. Everybody hated the 556 00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:10.640 guest hosts. I hated the guest hosts. 557 00:26:10.660 --> 00:26:12.660 Like I understand. I did too. I mean, it's true. 558 00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:15.960 I don't blame them. Yeah. I, I, you know, I 559 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:17.640 would have Buddhist also. I mean, yeah. 560 00:26:17.660 --> 00:26:20.779 I mean, I get it all depends every single week. 561 00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:23.319 My only regret, my only regret is that I did not, 562 00:26:23.539 --> 00:26:25.119 I did my only regret is that I did not 563 00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:26.960 call an audible to the booing and do a heel 564 00:26:26.980 --> 00:26:28.700 turn because I was never going to be back on 565 00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:31.000 the show ever again. And what, like what difference would 566 00:26:31.019 --> 00:26:31.359 it have made? 567 00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:31.799 Right. 568 00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:34.420 Like if I was doing, if, if 41 year old 569 00:26:34.420 --> 00:26:37.059 2026 Clark was doing it, that's what I would do. 570 00:26:37.380 --> 00:26:40.180 I would, I would just immediately do a full heel 571 00:26:40.220 --> 00:26:40.940 turn on the crowd. 572 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:42.980 Well, don't feel bad, Clark. I mean, even Hulk Hogan 573 00:26:43.000 -->

00:26:44.400 himself couldn't bring himself to. 574 00:26:44.299 --> 00:26:49.509 Pivot on that. 575 00:26:49.609 --> 00:26:53.410 No, it was a similar crowd response. 576 00:26:53.450 --> 00:26:55.390 You just have Jimmy Hart there telling you to keep 577 00:26:55.529 --> 00:26:57.230 it cool. 578 00:26:57.250 --> 00:27:01.269 My favorite thing is somebody told me that backstage after 579 00:27:01.309 --> 00:27:06.259 that happened, that Hulk said to Jimmy, like, Jimmy, you 580 00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:07.220 got a lot of heat out here, brother. 581 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:09.839 Of course it's him. 582 00:27:10.789 --> 00:27:12.819 It becomes more and more clear why he had people 583 00:27:12.859 --> 00:27:14.680 follow him around as the years passed. 584 00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:20.980 That's so true. It's so, so, so true. Poor fucking guy. 585 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:24.079 I got to ask you, Clark, did, um, did they 586 00:27:24.259 --> 00:27:26.019 set you up a lot of scripted stuff? I'm trying 587 00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:28.279 to remember the segments, like Brian Gowertz handed you a 588 00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:29.819 bunch of stuff. Cause he used to write, I think 589 00:27:29.859 --> 00:27:31.220 the guest host stuff, he talks about it. 590 00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:34.329 Yeah, it was Gowertz. It was Gowertz. And I'm, I'm 591 00:27:34.380 --> 00:27:36.230 still friends with Gowertz to this day. Like that's where 592 00:27:36.250 --> 00:27:38.490 we met. I ended up, um, I played Gowertz on 593 00:27:38.549 --> 00:27:39.789 an episode of Young Rock. 594 00:27:39.849 --> 00:27:42.890 Oh, that's right. Holy shit. Oh man. Yeah. 595 00:27:43.630 --> 00:27:45.789 Cause he, um, yeah. Cause he called me up and 596 00:27:45.809 --> 00:27:47.259 he's like, do you want to come play me on, 597 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:51.160 on an episode? I was like, okay. Um, cause I have, 598 00:27:51.220 --> 00:27:54.630 you know, I really, um, since I've, Since I made Arkansas, 599 00:27:54.869 --> 00:27:58.170 I haven't even been acting at all. 600 00:27:58.750 --> 00:27:59.230 Yeah. 601 00:27:59.289 --> 00:28:03.390 Intentionally. And yeah, but that was something I went and 602 00:28:03.410 --> 00:28:04.869 did because I've known him since then. Yeah. 603 00:28:05.150 --> 00:28:05.569 Since then. 604 00:28:05.609 --> 00:28:05.829 Yeah. 605 00:28:06.029 --> 00:28:06.250 Great. 606 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:09.779 So they like walk you through like, you know, the 607 00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:12.220 exact verbiage. Because that's the thing about the guest hosts 608 00:28:12.339 --> 00:28:14.539 in a lot of cases, not in all. They're trained actors. 609 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:16.319 So handing them a script isn't such an imposition. 610 00:28:16.460 --> 00:28:16.619 Right. 611 00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:18.400 It's not such a tall mountain to climb. 612 00:28:19.220 --> 00:28:19.500 Yeah. 613 00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:21.319 This, I mean, this was still the only thing I 614 00:28:21.380

--> 00:28:24.940 really remember being, them being exacting about was that was 615 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:28.019 still when, um, they were very like, you had to 616 00:28:28.059 --> 00:28:31.759 call it the WWE universe. You couldn't like, like, like 617 00:28:31.779 --> 00:28:33.829 that was the only thing I really remember. Yeah. 618 00:28:33.849 --> 00:28:33.960 Yeah. 619 00:28:34.029 --> 00:28:37.390 Yeah. But, but specifically you can't say like fans. It 620 00:28:37.430 --> 00:28:40.950 was like, it has to be right. The WWE universe. 621 00:28:41.049 --> 00:28:44.029 Oh God. Can you imagine what a, what a, what 622 00:28:44.049 --> 00:28:46.970 a nauseating task for somebody who comes in. I mean, fortunately, 623 00:28:46.990 --> 00:28:49.430 you know, you're a fan. but was Corddry a fan? 624 00:28:49.630 --> 00:28:50.130 Is he a fan? 625 00:28:52.210 --> 00:28:54.589 No, no, he, he, um, I mean, he had a 626 00:28:54.609 --> 00:28:56.390 good time, but he was not, he was, he seemed 627 00:28:56.450 --> 00:28:59.809 completely like blase about the whole thing. He was, you know, 628 00:28:59.849 --> 00:29:01.650 he was impressed with like the scope of the thing, 629 00:29:01.809 --> 00:29:05.630 but he didn't, he had no, um, I, I, I didn't, 630 00:29:05.650 --> 00:29:07.589 I don't think, I don't think he has any nostalgia 631 00:29:07.609 --> 00:29:07.910 for it. 632 00:29:08.950 --> 00:29:13.299 I would, I would hope not. I would hope not. Yeah. 633 00:29:13.339 --> 00:29:15.299 I mean, he's a, yeah, he's got kids, you know, 634 00:29:20.170 --> 00:29:21.930 But he's a civilian. 635 00:29:22.150 --> 00:29:25.579 Did did did you meet Vince? 636 00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:31.519 I did not meet Vince. I was standing direct. I 637 00:29:31.579 --> 00:29:34.400 met everyone. So I was standing right next to Vince. 638 00:29:34.950 --> 00:29:37.109 And I have to say, everyone else like could not 639 00:29:37.130 --> 00:29:39.450 have been lovelier. I actually knew Triple H already because 640 00:29:39.470 --> 00:29:41.650 they used to. do this is, again, those kind of 641 00:29:41.690 --> 00:29:44.920 wilderness years. They used to they used to have SummerSlam 642 00:29:44.940 --> 00:29:46.420 in L.A. every year for a bunch of years in 643 00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:50.500 a row. And maybe like 06, 07, 08, something like that. 644 00:29:51.900 --> 00:29:53.039 For like a bunch of years in a row, they 645 00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:56.309 have SummerSlam out here. And they would always have these 646 00:29:56.430 --> 00:29:58.930 big like kickoff parties and they would run out like 647 00:29:59.230 --> 00:30:01.950 the Beverly Hills Hotel or like the pool at the 648 00:30:01.990 --> 00:30:07.390 Roosevelt or like, you know, like really beautiful venues. And 649 00:30:07.410 --> 00:30:09.470 there would just be nobody there. Like it would just 650 00:30:09.509 --> 00:30:11.809 be like me and my buddies, like I'm like celebrity 651 00:30:11.849 --> 00:30:13.750

wise there because that's the whole point is they're trying 652 00:30:13.789 --> 00:30:16.009 to get. Right. You know, like and it just be 653 00:30:16.069 --> 00:30:18.049 like me and Seth Green. And this, you know, and 654 00:30:18.069 --> 00:30:20.319 this is when I'd only, you know, done like I 655 00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:24.140 was on a TV show called Greek. Yeah. And hadn't 656 00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:26.680 really done a lot of stuff. And that's where I 657 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:29.140 met all those guys. So I remember like one night 658 00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:31.200 I was drinking at one of those and Triple H 659 00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:33.809 tried to get me to push Michael Hayes into the pool. 660 00:30:33.869 --> 00:30:36.410 Like he was really trying to convince me to push 661 00:30:36.450 --> 00:30:37.109 Michael Hayes into the pool. 662 00:30:37.130 --> 00:30:38.990 What was he wearing? What was Michael Hayes wearing? Make 663 00:30:39.029 --> 00:30:39.490 me miserable. 664 00:30:41.539 --> 00:30:42.509 It's the Lapsed. 665 00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:46.400 Fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack Encarnacio and J.P. 666 00:30:46.460 --> 00:30:46.839 Sorrow. 667 00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:57.180 It's the Rapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast. 668 00:30:57.369 --> 00:30:59.589 I mean, the same thing he's always wearing. 669 00:30:59.609 --> 00:31:04.630 He would have drowned, honestly. I mean, can you wear 670 00:31:04.630 --> 00:31:06.589 60 pounds of pinstripe and then swim? 671 00:31:06.630 --> 00:31:08.599 I don't think so. Can you imagine like that? 672 00:31:08.619 --> 00:31:10.420 The water would have turned orange. 673 00:31:12.779 --> 00:31:16.299 Just like a whale of a man. Yeah, color just 674 00:31:16.339 --> 00:31:20.079 kind of spread out in the pool, just lying there. Yeah, 675 00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:21.569 this is, yeah, Clark. 676 00:31:21.609 --> 00:31:23.480 I did not meet Vince, though. All that was to 677 00:31:23.549 --> 00:31:28.349 say I met everyone that worked there except for Vince. 678 00:31:28.450 --> 00:31:31.769 And part of it was because I was like literally 679 00:31:31.829 --> 00:31:33.609 standing in the ring before the show. There's a great 680 00:31:33.670 --> 00:31:36.289 photo of him. I was friends with Roddy Piper because 681 00:31:37.230 --> 00:31:39.329 I had directed a couple, wrote and directed a couple 682 00:31:39.349 --> 00:31:41.650 of Funny or Die videos starring Roddy and actually wrote 683 00:31:41.670 --> 00:31:44.509 and directed a pilot that did not get picked up 684 00:31:44.549 --> 00:31:46.609 for Roddy. So I was I was close to Rod 685 00:31:46.630 --> 00:31:48.410 like we would we would get lunch like once a 686 00:31:48.410 --> 00:31:51.549 month until he until he died. So Rod was there 687 00:31:51.569 --> 00:31:53.130 because it was in L.A. and Rod lived in L.A. 688 00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:56.500 And so there's a great picture before the show of 689 00:31:56.539 --> 00:31:58.980 me sitting on the top turnbuckle and Roddy standing there 690 00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:01.259 talking to me in the ring. So that's pretty, pretty neat. 691 00:32:01.299 --> 00:32:04.799 But but yeah, I remember being there like, you know, 692 00:32:04.819 --> 00:32:07.400 you see like on the. unreal in the documentaries and 693 00:32:07.420 --> 00:32:09.480 stuff like they're all kind of like mulling around the 694 00:32:09.539 --> 00:32:11.759 ring and ringside like before the show talking about stuff 695 00:32:12.059 --> 00:32:14.200 and vince was there but he never introduced himself to 696 00:32:14.220 --> 00:32:15.890 me because he doesn't fucking know who i am you 697 00:32:15.910 --> 00:32:18.390 know he's got no idea um and i was kind 698 00:32:18.410 --> 00:32:20.849 of like waiting for i i guess like in my 699 00:32:20.890 --> 00:32:22.769 head i kept thinking like well he's like he'll come 700 00:32:22.789 --> 00:32:25.319 say hi but then no he never um and he 701 00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:27.420 was you know he was he was an intimidating presence 702 00:32:27.660 --> 00:32:30.099 i was a kid he makes such a. 703 00:32:30.059 --> 00:32:32.240 Good point like on that empty summer slam party like 704 00:32:32.809 --> 00:32:35.609 And how now they charge people to bring their– charge 705 00:32:35.650 --> 00:32:36.549 celebrities tickets. 706 00:32:36.990 --> 00:32:37.410 Oh, yeah. 707 00:32:37.569 --> 00:32:40.650 This is before Ari could force people to go to 708 00:32:40.690 --> 00:32:41.400 those kind of parties. 709 00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:41.900 Right. 710 00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:47.720 People must want to go now. But I mean, yeah, 711 00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:50.039 this was kind of that wilderness period when it was 712 00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:52.099 definitely not a cool trendy thing. 713 00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:53.799 What did we miss out on with the Piper pilot? 714 00:32:53.859 --> 00:32:55.119 I'd love to know what was the idea. 715 00:32:56.750 --> 00:33:00.819 It was– I mean, the, the, the funnier dive videos 716 00:33:00.859 --> 00:33:04.180 are still up like on YouTube, at least, um, the, 717 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:06.619 those were just like, I just did like fake Piper's pits, 718 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:09.220 you know? And it was really just like me trying 719 00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:13.700 to kind of get like, um, get a little, you know, like, 720 00:33:13.740 --> 00:33:16.130 like make a little noise for Roddy just to kind 721 00:33:16.150 --> 00:33:18.309 of put them in the, in the consciousness, just to 722 00:33:18.349 --> 00:33:21.490 kind of like help this pilot's chances a little bit. Um, 723 00:33:21.670 --> 00:33:24.789 the pilot was basically that Roddy finds out he's got, um, 724 00:33:25.869 --> 00:33:28.509 an adult son from like a one night stand on 725 00:33:28.549 --> 00:33:31.619 the road. And it was like, and he moves in 726 00:33:31.660 --> 00:33:34.160 with them and, you know, he's like a, like having 727 00:33:34.180 -->

00:33:36.099 like a wild animal move in with them basically. 728 00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:37.740 I love it. That's tremendous. 729 00:33:38.049 --> 00:33:39.829 It was fun. It was fun. I mean, it was fun. 730 00:33:39.869 --> 00:33:43.910 It was, yeah, it was, it was crazy. Cause it 731 00:33:43.930 --> 00:33:45.490 had a, it had a really good cast besides Roddy. 732 00:33:45.529 --> 00:33:48.410 It was Nelson Franklin who, you know, has been in 733 00:33:49.170 --> 00:33:52.680 Veep and all kinds of stuff. And Alex Daddario from 734 00:33:52.740 --> 00:33:53.299 White Lotus. 735 00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:59.880 Yeah. Wow. That's a bummer. I want to see that. 736 00:33:59.900 --> 00:34:01.640 Do you have a copy of it anywhere? Can I 737 00:34:01.660 --> 00:34:01.880 see it? 738 00:34:03.450 --> 00:34:06.250 I'm sure I do somewhere. I'm sure it's on a 739 00:34:06.269 --> 00:34:08.730 hard drive in my desk here somewhere. 740 00:34:10.849 --> 00:34:18.829 Let's go back. Let's go back. Born in Glenwood, Arkansas, right? Yeah. 741 00:34:18.869 --> 00:34:21.510 Born in Hot Springs. Grew up in Glenwood, which is 742 00:34:21.530 --> 00:34:23.170 like 20, 30 minutes away. But yes, correct. 743 00:34:23.210 --> 00:34:28.150 And now Arkansas was very... I remember you told me 744 00:34:28.230 --> 00:34:35.619 that The Sid memorial that we did was very close 745 00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:36.260 to home for you. 746 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:46.409 Well, specifically the Viennas. I don't know why, but the 747 00:34:46.469 --> 00:34:51.199 Viennas thing is real. Like my grandfather never not had 748 00:34:51.300 --> 00:34:54.579 like a can of Viennas, a sleeve of salting crackers, 749 00:34:55.219 --> 00:34:57.739 like in the truck, ready to go, like just in case. 750 00:34:57.760 --> 00:34:59.199 It's the greatest thing I've ever heard in my life. 751 00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:02.699 Like i was trying because i remember like listening to 752 00:35:02.780 --> 00:35:05.010 the sid journey and being like i think the sid 753 00:35:05.050 --> 00:35:07.489 not the terry funk journey might my favorite but the 754 00:35:07.510 --> 00:35:10.889 sid one like the sid one really hit close to 755 00:35:10.909 --> 00:35:13.349 home because i was just like recognizing so much like 756 00:35:13.409 --> 00:35:16.550 stuff that i didn't realize was hyper local because like 757 00:35:16.570 --> 00:35:18.480 i get you guys just couldn't wrap your heads around 758 00:35:18.500 --> 00:35:21.320 the vns and i was like and i was completely 759 00:35:21.380 --> 00:35:25.579 unfazed by them which is you know equally funny um 760 00:35:29.219 --> 00:35:32.789 I actually went out and bought a can shortly after 761 00:35:32.809 --> 00:35:35.579 this interview. I haven't had one of these since childhood, 762 00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:36.159 and they're not great. 763 00:35:39.530 --> 00:35:40.710 We got one for the unwrapping. 764 00:35:40.820 --> 00:35:43.920 We're in JP's house. We're looking at each

other. It's on, 765 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:44.820 it's on the counter. 766 00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:47.079 We're like, you won't do it. I won't do it. 767 00:35:47.099 --> 00:35:47.760 You won't do it. 768 00:35:48.500 --> 00:35:49.099 They're fine. 769 00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:49.840 They're fine. 770 00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.159 They're not, they're not bad. I want to, I want to, 771 00:35:52.300 --> 00:35:53.780 I want to preface. They're not terrible. 772 00:35:54.420 --> 00:35:57.719 I'm sure they're not. It's just the look and the 773 00:35:57.860 --> 00:36:00.300 juice they're in. That makes me nervous. It's the slime. 774 00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:00.739 Yeah. 775 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:01.699 No, it's the slime. 776 00:36:01.820 --> 00:36:03.920 Yeah. That's, that's what makes me concerned. 777 00:36:03.940 --> 00:36:06.340 They can them. No, they're floating in slime. 778 00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:08.989 They're floating in slime. And you know, That's, that's their 779 00:36:09.050 --> 00:36:11.030 place in the market is they can last forever. 780 00:36:11.630 --> 00:36:11.789 Right. 781 00:36:11.809 --> 00:36:14.449 You know, they're non perishables, but they're non perishables because 782 00:36:14.489 --> 00:36:16.070 of the stuff they float them in. And that just 783 00:36:16.130 --> 00:36:19.469 isn't very appetizing. God, you know, people get over that. 784 00:36:19.690 --> 00:36:21.710 It's like sardines and spam. 785 00:36:21.750 --> 00:36:23.530 Yeah. Baloney. 786 00:36:23.829 --> 00:36:24.769 Yeah, exactly. Sure. 787 00:36:25.010 --> 00:36:28.010 But honestly, honestly, they taste, they taste like baloney. They 788 00:36:28.030 --> 00:36:30.309 just taste like slime, like baloney coated in slime. 789 00:36:30.690 --> 00:36:33.110 So, but you, you don't eat them. You don't cook 790 00:36:33.130 --> 00:36:34.849 them or anything, right? You just eat them out of 791 00:36:34.889 --> 00:36:35.230 the can. 792 00:36:36.449 --> 00:36:39.079 I don't even chew them. I just, I just, just 793 00:36:39.820 --> 00:36:41.719 one swallow. No, I'm kidding. Yeah. 794 00:36:41.780 --> 00:36:42.039 Yeah. 795 00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:43.219 But no, you don't, you don't cook them. 796 00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:45.880 No, you just, um, Jesus, you put them on a cracker, 797 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:46.980 I guess. 798 00:36:47.610 --> 00:36:50.349 Yeah. On a saltine. Yeah. Cause you need more sodium. 799 00:36:50.570 --> 00:36:52.510 They've only got like two or three days worth of 800 00:36:52.530 --> 00:36:54.969 the recommended amount of sodium for an adult male. So 801 00:36:55.449 --> 00:36:57.409 you want to add some saltines on there with it? 802 00:36:58.050 --> 00:36:59.840 I don't chew them. I just spit on them before 803 00:36:59.889 --> 00:37:03.380 I swallow them. 804 00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:07.590 Um, I just Scooby-Doo him, you know, just straight down 805 00:37:07.650 --> 00:37:08.010 the throat. 806 00:37:12.329 --> 00:37:19.960 You went to Centerpoint High School in Amity, Arkansas? Got him. Now, 807 00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:22.400 here's the thing I need you to answer for me. 808 00:37:22.420 --> 00:37:24.579 He's like Hulk Hogan on Jimmy Carson. Where'd you get 809 00:37:24.619 --> 00:37:30.849 that fucking picture, dude? You took part in the Quiz 810 00:37:30.889 --> 00:37:31.489 Bowl team. 811 00:37:33.219 --> 00:37:36.599 That's true. Yeah. You know, I'm, I'm, it's just jeopardy. 812 00:37:36.619 --> 00:37:38.579 Oh, okay. Okay. 813 00:37:38.619 --> 00:37:39.719 Cause I was like team jeopardy. 814 00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:41.820 I have never heard of that before. 815 00:37:42.739 --> 00:37:43.079 Oh really? 816 00:37:43.099 --> 00:37:44.719 They talk about it on jeopardy. I'm going to have 817 00:37:44.780 --> 00:37:47.250 a jeopardy viewer. And, um, they, a lot of the people, 818 00:37:47.690 --> 00:37:51.550 a lot of the contestants, they talk about like, um, I, 819 00:37:51.690 --> 00:37:53.369 I just found out literally a couple of weeks ago 820 00:37:53.429 --> 00:37:55.210 when somebody was talking about this on jeopardy, they do 821 00:37:55.250 --> 00:37:57.590 adult quiz bowl, which I thought quiz bowl was just 822 00:37:57.670 --> 00:38:00.630 a thing for children. Um, Cause that's when I did it. 823 00:38:00.710 --> 00:38:04.070 But apparently there's, there's like rec leagues, like adult rec 824 00:38:04.110 --> 00:38:06.949 leagues for quiz bowl. But yeah, it's just, it's just 825 00:38:06.989 --> 00:38:08.070 like three on three jeopardy. 826 00:38:08.190 --> 00:38:11.760 Cause we don't, Jack, you never had that growing up, right? No, 827 00:38:11.780 --> 00:38:13.239 I don't think it was called that. I mean, I 828 00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:15.239 didn't even, I mean, I didn't even have that. Like that's, 829 00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:16.659 that sounds actually kind of fun. 830 00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:18.780 I feel like Jack, I feel like Jack would have 831 00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:19.360 been great at it. 832 00:38:19.420 --> 00:38:20.639 Yeah, absolutely. 833 00:38:21.139 --> 00:38:23.800 I've always disappointed myself in group trivia. Like, cause I 834 00:38:23.820 --> 00:38:26.429 kind of like think of myself as someone that knows 835 00:38:26.469 --> 00:38:29.460 a lot of pointless shit, but, Like when I watch Jeopardy, 836 00:38:29.500 --> 00:38:30.599 I just, I strike out too much. 837 00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:31.360 I get intimidated. 838 00:38:31.420 --> 00:38:33.639 So I wouldn't be so sure, but maybe one day 839 00:38:33.659 --> 00:38:34.230 we'll give it a try. 840 00:38:34.250 --> 00:38:37.570 Yeah. If it's a wrestling one, I'm there. Yeah. 841 00:38:37.630 --> 00:38:40.369 I have a dream of, of, of trying Celebrity Jeopardy someday. 842 00:38:40.409 --> 00:38:43.070 Cause my friend, Steven Weber almost won it this year. 843 00:38:43.929 --> 00:38:47.670 Really? I love Steven Weber. I'm jealous that you're friends 844 00:38:47.690 --> 00:38:49.550 with him. Can I

say that? I'm really jealous that 845 00:38:49.570 --> 00:38:50.079 you're friends with him. 846 00:38:50.110 --> 00:38:52.860 He's the best. He's the greatest guy. 847 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:55.019 I like everything he posts on Instagram. It makes me 848 00:38:55.059 --> 00:38:57.900 very happy. He just is like, I loved him. And 849 00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:01.219 I'll tell you my favorite, one of my favorite things 850 00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:07.630 that he ever did. And I it's, it's kind of 851 00:39:08.170 --> 00:39:13.050 a very loose basis of, of my Vince McMahon is, 852 00:39:13.329 --> 00:39:18.650 is him in a studio 60. Did you ever say that? Yeah. 853 00:39:18.670 --> 00:39:18.750 Yeah. 854 00:39:18.750 --> 00:39:20.420 I did. I actually I. 855 00:39:20.309 --> 00:39:25.590 Just saw on Instagram, I think yesterday that um, the 856 00:39:25.630 --> 00:39:30.110 Warner archives, Blu-ray DVD thing is putting out studio 60. 857 00:39:30.110 --> 00:39:32.750 And I was like, it's wild because the other, everything 858 00:39:32.789 --> 00:39:34.929 else they do is like a movie from the forties. Right. 859 00:39:35.090 --> 00:39:35.349 Right. 860 00:39:36.250 --> 00:39:40.860 Um, I have, I have directed Weber in two failed, uh, pilots. 861 00:39:41.110 --> 00:39:44.239 Wow. Yeah. That's amazing. 862 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:47.880 He, uh, he damn near one celebrity jeopardy a couple 863 00:39:47.900 --> 00:39:48.320 of months ago. 864 00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:51.050 That's crazy. Yeah. 865 00:39:51.150 --> 00:39:53.320 And not to say that I think I'm smarter than Steven, 866 00:39:53.980 --> 00:39:55.179 but it didn't make me feel like. 867 00:39:55.380 --> 00:39:57.239 I think you're saying that. Yeah, you said it. It's fine. 868 00:39:57.260 --> 00:40:00.099 Listen, you said it. I'm saying I think. 869 00:39:59.920 --> 00:40:01.340 I can hang. Everyone knows. 870 00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:02.599 I think I can hang. 871 00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:05.340 I'm going to DM him tomorrow. I'm going to tell 872 00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:06.039 him that you said this. 873 00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:10.260 That's fine. We can get him on the horn right now. 874 00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:14.590 Oh my God, don't make me go crazy. Brother. Brother, right, dude. 875 00:40:14.789 --> 00:40:21.000 Um... Yeah, the only thing– Jeopardy– the place I fall 876 00:40:21.019 --> 00:40:25.530 apart on Jeopardy is geography. Like they love fucking lakes 877 00:40:25.889 --> 00:40:26.550 and rivers. 878 00:40:27.389 --> 00:40:27.750 I see. 879 00:40:28.530 --> 00:40:30.889 And I just don't– like who knows this stuff? Like 880 00:40:30.989 --> 00:40:36.349 who knows– how do people know like global lakes? 881 00:40:37.150 --> 00:40:37.349 Yeah. 882 00:40:38.210 --> 00:40:40.510 That's exactly the kind of thing I mean. It's always 883 00:40:41.170 --> 00:40:43.369 like a category I feel good about and then a 884 00:40:43.469 --> 00:40:44.349 what the fuck category. 885 00:40:45.230 --> 00:40:46.170 Like actual questions. 886 00:40:46.010 --> 00:40:48.210 But there's people that know them they know all of them. 887 00:40:48.010 --> 00:40:50.289 That's how they're emboldened to do it that way on 888 00:40:50.309 --> 00:40:53.429 the aforementioned Clark Duke journey boss under the Cinemat I 889 00:40:53.469 --> 00:40:55.929 believe I do believe at this point we need to 890 00:40:55.989 --> 00:40:57.559 include failed pilots I think. 891 00:40:57.469 --> 00:41:01.460 We'll have a whole episode of failed pilots that'll be 892 00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:03.500 a whole episode absolutely I. 893 00:41:03.500 --> 00:41:05.960 Mean if you yeah if we want to incorporate like 894 00:41:06.019 --> 00:41:08.800 failures this could be like a Terry Funk kind of 895 00:41:08.820 --> 00:41:14.199 thing we could really stretch this out for a while. 896 00:41:15.190 --> 00:41:19.829 Oh, Jesus. That's tremendous. Okay. I want to talk about. 897 00:41:20.070 --> 00:41:22.539 I think you know the journey because I text you 898 00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:25.739 about it regularly. You know the journey that I look 899 00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:26.480 forward to the most. 900 00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:26.920 Yeah. 901 00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:27.559 No. 902 00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:31.539 Nope. Nope. That's why I'm hoping... You know what? 903 00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:33.099 We don't even need to talk about it on the air. 904 00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:35.159 You're right. Because it's going to happen. 905 00:41:35.610 --> 00:41:37.050 We can talk about it. Well, you know what? I 906 00:41:37.090 --> 00:41:40.329 hope it happens now with the Hogan journey because then 907 00:41:40.349 --> 00:41:42.570 we won't even get to it. And it's great. He's 908 00:41:42.590 --> 00:41:47.090 talking about Lawler. Okay. 909 00:41:47.389 --> 00:41:50.559 Well, if Clark Duke wants it, I'll think extra. 910 00:41:50.300 --> 00:41:50.780 Hard about it. 911 00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:54.380 Nope. I, it's all I want. I think. 912 00:41:55.719 --> 00:41:57.159 He wants me to suffer is what it is. It's 913 00:41:57.179 --> 00:41:58.559 not what he wants to do. He wants me to suffer. 914 00:41:59.920 --> 00:42:00.960 No, no. 915 00:42:01.179 --> 00:42:03.119 No, he just wants us to read that affidavit from 1993. 916 00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:04.000 I know what. 917 00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:12.000 He wants. I think, no, the oat for me, the 918 00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:16.409 thing I get most excited about, is what Lawler represents 919 00:42:16.769 --> 00:42:21.309 as the type of like regional celebrity that no longer exists. 920 00:42:21.329 --> 00:42:26.590 Like a guy like Sven Gulli in Chicago. Like that 921 00:42:26.750 --> 00:42:34.130 thing where he's, because I love Memphis and I love Elvis. 922 00:42:34.269 --> 00:42:39.400 I love Graceland and the history of the town. And 923 00:42:39.460 --> 00:42:43.980 I cannot wait for all that. and the subtext and 924 00:42:44.179 --> 00:42:46.699 you know, his

fucking cousin being the hockey talk man 925 00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:49.800 and Jimmy Hart's there. Oh man, I got a great 926 00:42:49.820 --> 00:42:56.710 Jimmy Hart story. So my, my, my buddy, my buddy. 927 00:42:56.550 --> 00:42:58.849 Scott, not to sound like a complete douchebag. Did you text, 928 00:42:58.889 --> 00:43:00.969 you text me the picture of this one story you're 929 00:43:00.989 --> 00:43:01.510 going to tell? 930 00:43:02.530 --> 00:43:03.110 I think so. 931 00:43:03.139 --> 00:43:03.610 I think so. 932 00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:04.119 Yeah. 933 00:43:04.179 --> 00:43:04.500 Yeah. 934 00:43:04.619 --> 00:43:06.599 I only have one photo of me and Jimmy Hart together. 935 00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:09.380 So yeah, it has to be tremendous. Um, So that 936 00:43:09.420 --> 00:43:11.960 photo I sent you is from my friend. Scott had 937 00:43:11.980 --> 00:43:14.510 a big 40th birthday party that his brother threw him 938 00:43:15.090 --> 00:43:21.429 and he hired, um, Jimmy Hart and JBL and Farouk 939 00:43:22.429 --> 00:43:25.809 and someone else to just be there hanging around the party. 940 00:43:25.889 --> 00:43:27.429 And it was one of the most surreal things I've 941 00:43:27.489 --> 00:43:28.670 ever been to in my life. It was at a 942 00:43:28.730 --> 00:43:31.829 nightclub here in LA and, um, Akon came out and 943 00:43:31.869 --> 00:43:34.030 performed in the middle of it. Big justice and AJ 944 00:43:34.070 --> 00:43:38.030 and the big boom family were there also just mulling around. Um, 945 00:43:38.670 --> 00:43:41.449 So anyway, at one point, I find myself– me and 946 00:43:41.489 --> 00:43:45.480 Dipperstein are just standing next to Jimmy Hart in this nightclub. 947 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:47.719 It's so loud, by the way. I have earplugs in, 948 00:43:47.780 --> 00:43:51.679 and you just can't fucking hear anything. And I– but 949 00:43:51.699 --> 00:43:53.880 Jimmy Hart's just standing right next to us. So I go, hey, Jimmy, 950 00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:58.199 you know, big fan. And I said, did you really make, like, 951 00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:01.099 every WCW theme? And, you know, I'm, like, chatting with 952 00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:03.900 him a little bit, and he answers, like, my one question. 953 00:44:04.579 --> 00:44:07.469 And then Dipperstein asks him one follow-up question. And then 954 00:44:07.510 --> 00:44:10.119 he goes– It was great to meet you boys. And 955 00:44:10.139 --> 00:44:13.320 then he just, he didn't leave. He just turned about 956 00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:18.610 90 degrees, like just signaling to us that the conversation 957 00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:19.050 was over. 958 00:44:19.070 --> 00:44:23.130 Take a look at this airbrush jacket, you fucking loser. 959 00:44:25.210 --> 00:44:27.590 It was, it was so awesome. 960 00:44:27.650 --> 00:44:28.130 That's great. 961 00:44:28.309 --> 00:44:32.070 And then the picture gets posted like a week later 962 00:44:32.889 --> 00:44:36.469 of me and my friend and Dipperstein and Jimmy Hart together. 963 00:44:37.900 --> 00:44:41.400 And Jimmy DMs me on Instagram and he's like, Clark, baby. Like, 964 00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:44.469 I'm a huge fan. Like, and like, and like, we 965 00:44:44.489 --> 00:44:47.110 have this long conversation and I'm like, but I also 966 00:44:47.150 --> 00:44:50.329 keep in mind, you know, it's, he's wearing sunglasses in 967 00:44:50.369 --> 00:44:52.250 a pitch black nightclub. He had no idea who he 968 00:44:52.269 --> 00:44:52.829 was talking to. 969 00:44:52.869 --> 00:44:53.010 Yeah. 970 00:44:53.670 --> 00:44:56.139 He found out afterwards that you're connected to Hollywood and 971 00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:57.039 now he wants to be your pal. 972 00:44:57.179 --> 00:44:58.800 I get it. I love it. 973 00:44:59.550 --> 00:45:02.050 That's oh yeah dude you want you want that fucking 974 00:45:02.349 --> 00:45:03.550 you want you want to find one of those in 975 00:45:03.570 --> 00:45:05.929 the wild you can't do better than a pro wrestler he's. 976 00:45:05.809 --> 00:45:08.550 Actually he's actually my manager he's here at the house right. 977 00:45:08.409 --> 00:45:13.190 Now it's like how Shane Gillis was in the same 978 00:45:13.210 --> 00:45:14.929 room as LaMera Lee but we couldn't get him on 979 00:45:14.949 --> 00:45:16.900 the phone that's when we interviewed him. 980 00:45:20.179 --> 00:45:25.019 Oh god that's fucking so great all right I want 981 00:45:25.059 --> 00:45:28.480 to talk I'm not done with high school I am, 982 00:45:28.539 --> 00:45:30.460 but okay. I know you are, because there's just some 983 00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:33.170 things that I'm fascinated about. Jerry Lawler, on the other hand. Yeah, right. No, 984 00:45:33.190 --> 00:45:34.030 we're done with Jerry Lawler. 985 00:45:40.369 --> 00:45:44.570 Very nice. He drives a Batmobile, dude. Like he drives 986 00:45:44.630 --> 00:45:46.969 a replica Batmobile as his daily driver. 987 00:45:47.230 --> 00:45:51.739 And he sleeps in weird pajamas. We have to. 988 00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:55.940 He's got a giant Hulk Hogan or our incredible Hulk 989 00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:59.590 thing in the house. It's always Christmas time. Like, come on. 990 00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:01.800 This is going to be. Well, look, you're in for 991 00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:02.780 such a treat, dude. 992 00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:04.559 Let's put it this way. 993 00:46:04.619 --> 00:46:07.539 If he passes, I don't know if I can in 994 00:46:07.579 --> 00:46:10.219 good conscience buy things off that estate auction like I 995 00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:11.019 did for Terry Fox. 996 00:46:11.219 --> 00:46:11.460 I know. 997 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:18.730 I'm dropping everything. I am road tripping home. Memphis is 998 00:46:18.769 --> 00:46:22.030 like three hours from my mom's house. I will be there. 999 00:46:22.190 --> 00:46:28.690 Okay. Yeah, we'll figure it out. Got him. I mean, 1000 00:46:28.750 --> 00:46:31.389 I just keep thinking about it

and it just makes 1001 00:46:31.429 --> 00:46:34.420 me It's all right. You got time. You know, sometimes 1002 00:46:34.460 --> 00:46:35.119 he sends me weird shit. 1003 00:46:35.139 --> 00:46:37.179 Have you ever stayed at the Peabody Hotel? You're going 1004 00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:38.070 to love Memphis. 1005 00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:40.949 I've never been to Memphis ever. I'm sure I love Memphis. 1006 00:46:41.949 --> 00:46:44.190 I would love to go to Memphis, but I don't 1007 00:46:44.210 --> 00:46:48.210 want to visit Jerry Lawley. All right. That's, oh, God. 1008 00:46:49.269 --> 00:46:54.969 And his plastic face. Stop. Stop. He's got a Michael 1009 00:46:55.030 --> 00:46:57.150 Myers face on. That's what he has now. That's fine. 1010 00:46:57.750 --> 00:46:58.070 It's fine. 1011 00:46:58.230 --> 00:47:02.409 He went to– What's wrong with his bangs? Why are 1012 00:47:02.449 --> 00:47:04.559 you– I don't see the problem. 1013 00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:06.639 No problem. I'm just jealous. That's all. I wish I 1014 00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:08.559 had his hair. There's a lot wrong with his bangs. 1015 00:47:08.579 --> 00:47:13.699 Let me tell you. 1016 00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:14.070 I don't know. 1017 00:47:14.170 --> 00:47:15.110 You were saying about high school. 1018 00:47:15.130 --> 00:47:15.409 Yes. 1019 00:47:17.869 --> 00:47:29.659 Jerry Lawler shows up here too. Sorry. Center Point High 1020 00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:31.639 School is not just a high school, though, right? It's 1021 00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:35.679 multiple grades. It goes from like six or something. Is 1022 00:47:35.699 --> 00:47:36.119 that correct? 1023 00:47:36.409 --> 00:47:39.230 It was a middle school and a high school, yeah. 1024 00:47:39.869 --> 00:47:43.809 I mean, it's a really rural, small town. 1025 00:47:43.570 --> 00:47:45.869 Where I'm from. 1026 00:47:45.929 --> 00:47:46.070 Sure. 1027 00:47:46.090 --> 00:47:51.269 Because in 1999, you were voted class brain alongside Karen Alexander. 1028 00:47:51.289 --> 00:47:52.230 I have no idea. 1029 00:47:52.250 --> 00:47:55.090 Yeah, you did. You were. I mean, this is a fact. 1030 00:47:55.110 --> 00:47:55.679 Where the fuck. 1031 00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:59.119 This is crazy. Like you're, that's wild. Cause I don't 1032 00:47:59.159 --> 00:47:59.719 even remember. 1033 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:03.840 You wore, you wore the, you, the, okay. So first 1034 00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:07.940 of all, it's, it's funny seeing you. Okay. So basically 1035 00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:10.519 all your yearbooks are on ancestry.com. 1036 00:48:12.300 --> 00:48:12.739 Oh my God. 1037 00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:13.239 They're all there. 1038 00:48:13.380 --> 00:48:13.699 Wow. 1039 00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:14.760 I don't know if you knew that. I don't know 1040 00:48:14.780 --> 00:48:16.320 if you knew that, but I did not know that. Yeah. 1041 00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:21.550 They're there. And, and you always had a crazy shirt. 1042 00:48:21.590 --> 00:48:23.809 Everyone else was wearing like, I don't want to say 1043 00:48:23.869 --> 00:48:25.969 normal because I actually admire what you're wearing more than 1044 00:48:26.030 --> 00:48:27.800 what they're wearing. But they're wearing what you would consider 1045 00:48:27.820 --> 00:48:31.400 to be normal clothes. And you've got this outrageous shirt on. Also, 1046 00:48:31.460 --> 00:48:33.940 you're like half the size of everybody else. 1047 00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:37.519 Yeah, I remember that. That was super fun in high school. 1048 00:48:37.539 --> 00:48:40.039 I'm sure that was great, right? You must have enjoyed yourself. 1049 00:48:40.059 --> 00:48:43.599 That was so fun. Yeah. Anytime I hear about Gen 1050 00:48:43.659 --> 00:48:46.349 Alpha and like the no bullying now, I'm like, man, 1051 00:48:46.489 --> 00:48:47.150 I almost made it. 1052 00:48:47.429 --> 00:48:48.449 Oh, I know. 1053 00:48:49.329 --> 00:48:52.010 Have you heard the thing about... Well, you guys... you 1054 00:48:52.030 --> 00:48:54.929 guys may experience this cause you have kids like apparently 1055 00:48:54.989 --> 00:48:59.130 gen alpha, they just like fart and no one laughs. 1056 00:48:59.329 --> 00:49:02.099 No one thinks it's funny. Have you heard about this? 1057 00:49:02.139 --> 00:49:04.179 This was like a thing on like Tik TOK and 1058 00:49:04.219 --> 00:49:06.699 Instagram the last week, like making the rounds, like, like 1059 00:49:06.780 --> 00:49:09.420 adult reaction videos to like their children telling them about 1060 00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:10.099 this phenomenon. 1061 00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:13.710 I have not heard this one. Cause my kid laughs 1062 00:49:13.789 --> 00:49:16.630 at everything, every fart that ever comes out of somebody's body. 1063 00:49:18.309 --> 00:49:20.380 I mean, I don't know how you, but I, telling 1064 00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:22.480 you this it's not and it was there were some 1065 00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:24.920 in the UK like it's global like this is a 1066 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:27.880 crazy psyop being run on the children and I don't 1067 00:49:27.900 --> 00:49:30.300 know why I don't know who benefits from this yeah. 1068 00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:32.460 It seems very creepy a kid not laughing at a 1069 00:49:32.500 --> 00:49:36.179 fart it seems yeah it seems AI unfathomable it seems 1070 00:49:36.340 --> 00:49:37.650 AI you're right it seems like it's brought to you 1071 00:49:37.670 --> 00:49:42.570 by like Grok or something very bizarre I'll have to 1072 00:49:42.590 --> 00:49:43.449 look into that, Clark. 1073 00:49:43.489 --> 00:49:45.090 I'm concerned. I have not heard that one. 1074 00:49:45.110 --> 00:49:48.239 Oh, no. Do a little dive on this. This is 1075 00:49:48.260 --> 00:49:48.960 going to blow your mind. 1076 00:49:48.980 --> 00:49:50.880 Yeah, I'll just have to shit my pants at the 1077 00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:51.880 dinner table and see what happens. 1078 00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:54.260 Well, that's what I

said. I said, I just want 1079 00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:56.940 to find some children and fart now. That's all I 1080 00:49:56.980 --> 00:49:58.639 can think about and just see what they do. 1081 00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:00.889 Invite them in and just start farting and see what happens. 1082 00:50:03.059 --> 00:50:06.059 This is, again, this is too close to the Lawler stuff. 1083 00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:10.199 Are you reading off the affidavit? Another thing that Lawler does, 1084 00:50:10.219 --> 00:50:11.840 he brings children in so he can fart in front 1085 00:50:11.900 --> 00:50:12.960 of them. That's a classic. 1086 00:50:13.139 --> 00:50:13.420 Stop. 1087 00:50:13.460 --> 00:50:15.989 Just because he's a Cleveland Browns fan. 1088 00:50:17.590 --> 00:50:19.969 Stop, please, on this poor guy. I can think about 1089 00:50:19.989 --> 00:50:22.909 the Browns he has. Never mind. What can Brown do 1090 00:50:22.949 --> 00:50:30.849 for you? What's junior beta? What's beta in general? In 1091 00:50:30.869 --> 00:50:32.829 high school, you were part of the junior beta team. 1092 00:50:34.469 --> 00:50:34.949 I don't know this. 1093 00:50:37.190 --> 00:50:38.170 I'm trying to remember. 1094 00:50:38.230 --> 00:50:39.170 From the sound of it, it doesn't look like you 1095 00:50:39.190 --> 00:50:39.730 know what this is either. 1096 00:50:40.929 --> 00:50:44.320 I think it was, wasn't it like a, like a, 1097 00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:47.159 was it like the business thing? 1098 00:50:47.179 --> 00:50:47.980 Maybe. 1099 00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:48.400 Okay. 1100 00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:49.699 Maybe. 1101 00:50:49.780 --> 00:50:50.340 Okay. 1102 00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:59.190 I feel like it was. Yeah. I mean, that tracks that. Yeah. 1103 00:50:59.210 --> 00:50:59.829 It was for sure. 1104 00:50:59.889 --> 00:51:03.139 Also that. I, I, I, the one thing that bothered 1105 00:51:03.179 --> 00:51:05.280 me about your yearbooks was that they didn't explain what 1106 00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:07.550 these fucking things were. They just said, this is what 1107 00:51:07.590 --> 00:51:10.210 the team was. And then that was it. And I'm like. 1108 00:51:10.230 --> 00:51:13.369 Well, what if some wrestling podcaster researched it later? 1109 00:51:13.389 --> 00:51:15.199 What if some wrestling podcaster 30 years later, 25 years 1110 00:51:15.219 --> 00:51:20.940 later is like, Hey, what is this? Um, you play 1111 00:51:20.980 --> 00:51:22.820 golf too. You play golf now. 1112 00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:23.360 Yeah. 1113 00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:24.280 You still play golf. Yeah. 1114 00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:24.739 Nice. 1115 00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:25.460 I didn't know that. 1116 00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:26.559 A little bit. I like to golf. 1117 00:51:26.659 --> 00:51:26.820 Yeah. 1118 00:51:27.139 --> 00:51:29.320 I'm not, I'm not any good, but I enjoy it. I. 1119 00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:34.789 I, I used to golf. Um, uh, is there still, 1120 00:51:34.809 --> 00:51:36.210 I don't know with the

fires and stuff. I don't know. 1121 00:51:36.250 --> 00:51:40.730 Is there still a, a course by, um, uh, near 1122 00:51:40.750 --> 00:51:44.230 Griffith park? Do you know? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I used 1123 00:51:44.250 --> 00:51:46.269 to golf there every now and again when I lived 1124 00:51:46.309 --> 00:51:46.630 out there. 1125 00:51:46.889 --> 00:51:46.969 Yeah. 1126 00:51:47.010 --> 00:51:49.150 It was always fun. I enjoyed that. 1127 00:51:49.780 --> 00:51:53.000 It is fun. I haven't played, I probably haven't played 1128 00:51:53.019 --> 00:51:55.400 in like three years, but I do like to golf. 1129 00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:57.239 Was your team good in high school? Do you remember? 1130 00:51:59.300 --> 00:52:01.789 I don't think so. I was never like a starter 1131 00:52:01.809 --> 00:52:03.829 or anything. I just liked the activity of like every 1132 00:52:03.869 --> 00:52:05.889 day after school, you just go play nine holes of golf. 1133 00:52:06.489 --> 00:52:08.889 I just kind of liked it as a, yeah, I 1134 00:52:08.929 --> 00:52:09.730 just like, this is great. 1135 00:52:10.190 --> 00:52:11.230 That's tremendous. 1136 00:52:12.329 --> 00:52:14.769 Well, that era that he was talking about, you know 1137 00:52:14.789 --> 00:52:16.550 who I remember being a hell of a golfer, JP, 1138 00:52:16.630 --> 00:52:22.110 was Chavo Guerrero. As Kerwin White. 1139 00:52:23.309 --> 00:52:23.530 Right. 1140 00:52:25.070 --> 00:52:27.289 I love Chavo. Did he really? 1141 00:52:27.449 --> 00:52:27.989 True story. 1142 00:52:28.010 --> 00:52:29.429 Did he smash the ball? 1143 00:52:29.449 --> 00:52:32.289 True story. Last time I was in Memphis, I had 1144 00:52:32.309 --> 00:52:33.610 dinner with Chavo Guerrero. Oh, yeah? 1145 00:52:33.659 --> 00:52:34.030 Did you really? 1146 00:52:34.050 --> 00:52:38.039 It was a real story, yeah. Because he worked on 1147 00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:38.500 Young Rock. 1148 00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:41.179 Oh, that's right. He did a lot of the wrestling coordinating. 1149 00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:46.079 But I had met him backstage at the Lucha Underground 1150 00:52:46.460 --> 00:52:48.260 years ago because they shot all those out here in LA. 1151 00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:51.030 And I remember we went to one of them. Because 1152 00:52:51.050 --> 00:52:54.130 they would tape like, you know, like a season's worth 1153 00:52:54.190 --> 00:52:55.750 in like two days or something crazy. 1154 00:52:56.170 --> 00:52:58.530 That reminds me actually, before TP asks you what you 1155 00:52:58.550 --> 00:53:02.860 used to order for lunch in high school. When Stephanie 1156 00:53:02.900 --> 00:53:05.860 was producing you on that guest host. I actually already 1157 00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:08.739 know what he had for lunch. How naive of me. 1158 00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:11.059 What does it mean to produce one of those things? 1159 00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:13.119 Is she just standing behind the camera with her arms 1160 00:53:13.179 --> 00:53:13.780 folded or? 1161 00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:18.309 I would say it's, it seemed like the equivalent of 1162 00:53:18.630 --> 00:53:20.559 like a director thing. You know, like a. 1163 00:53:21.860 --> 00:53:22.940 Does she give you notes? 1164 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:24.440 Like a television director. 1165 00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:26.400 Does she walk up to you and whisper, like, don't 1166 00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:29.480 do it again this way, but try to think about this. 1167 00:53:29.539 --> 00:53:33.119 Maybe get some inspiration from some childhood memory. Does she 1168 00:53:33.139 --> 00:53:33.440 do that? 1169 00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:35.920 I don't know if it was anything that in-depth, but 1170 00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:39.860 she was especially lovely. My only recollection I have of 1171 00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:43.679 Stephanie McMahon was just how lovely and nice she was. 1172 00:53:43.699 --> 00:53:46.489 Yeah, she has that effect on everyone who meets her. 1173 00:53:46.889 --> 00:53:49.110 It's really hard to find someone that Unless you're talking 1174 00:53:49.130 --> 00:53:52.050 about like Joni Lauer or something to find someone that 1175 00:53:52.289 --> 00:53:54.389 really goes in on her, you know, because she knows 1176 00:53:54.409 --> 00:53:55.489 how to get over with everybody. 1177 00:53:55.659 --> 00:53:57.019 So I give her credit for that for sure. 1178 00:53:57.460 --> 00:54:00.559 You know, I got to say, it's, it seems, it 1179 00:54:00.579 --> 00:54:03.440 seems kind of genuine. I, as somebody that's around a 1180 00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:08.039 lot of like, you know, to quote Sid, my, my 1181 00:54:08.099 --> 00:54:14.500 fellow Arkansan bogus characters. I thought, I thought that Stephanie 1182 00:54:14.579 --> 00:54:17.699 seemed like she just seems sincerely nice in my, in 1183 00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:18.369 my experience with her. 1184 00:54:18.489 --> 00:54:19.210 There you go. That's amazing. 1185 00:54:19.230 --> 00:54:21.550 Check one in her column. Back to high school. 1186 00:54:24.809 --> 00:54:26.750 I really did not see this coming. I'm not going 1187 00:54:26.789 --> 00:54:27.269 to lie. 1188 00:54:28.610 --> 00:54:30.469 Neither did Jack actually. I didn't tell Jack what I 1189 00:54:30.510 --> 00:54:35.489 was preparing either. I'm like flummoxed. So really just one 1190 00:54:35.530 --> 00:54:38.590 more question because I just, again, there's no explanation in it. 1191 00:54:38.650 --> 00:54:43.320 And I searched long and hard. What is the gifted 1192 00:54:43.380 --> 00:54:44.340 and talented class? 1193 00:54:47.389 --> 00:54:48.909 I think it was just what it sounded like. It 1194 00:54:48.949 --> 00:54:51.710 was like, um, if you had a certain like GPA 1195 00:54:52.550 --> 00:54:56.050 put into this, um, this class that had a, like, 1196 00:54:57.320 --> 00:54:59.900 you know, like a, whatever the curriculum was, it was just, 1197 00:54:59.920 --> 00:55:01.619 I think it was just a, it was just a class. 1198

00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:03.079 You guys put on a tea party. 1199 00:55:05.820 --> 00:55:07.920 Man, I don't remember any of this. This is, this is, 1200 00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:09.559 I got to get on ancestry.com. 1201 00:55:09.579 --> 00:55:12.929 This is wild. Yeah. It's all, it's, it's, listen, Normally, 1202 00:55:13.210 --> 00:55:15.820 if you look somebody up, which sounds so fucking creepy 1203 00:55:15.860 --> 00:55:17.699 now that I'm actually talking, because I don't think I've 1204 00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:24.219 ever talked with anyone who I've investigated before. But like, 1205 00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:24.760 you know. 1206 00:55:24.780 --> 00:55:25.820 This is an interrogation. 1207 00:55:27.340 --> 00:55:28.340 It's like all your stuff. 1208 00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:29.300 This is a shakedown. 1209 00:55:29.469 --> 00:55:33.809 Usually people, it's like you get all these documents. Yours 1210 00:55:33.869 --> 00:55:36.809 is all pictures. You look up you, it's all pictures. 1211 00:55:37.389 --> 00:55:40.210 And it's all from these yearbooks. It's actually, it's pretty wild. 1212 00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:43.980 That is wild because I, you know, my, my family, 1213 00:55:44.019 --> 00:55:48.719 we never, um, were big, like photo takers. So I, I, um, 1214 00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:50.139 there were some undertakers. 1215 00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:52.769 I'm so glad you said that. I was just about 1216 00:55:52.809 --> 00:55:55.469 to say that. Oh, this guy listens for sure that 1217 00:55:55.510 --> 00:55:58.170 this is a shoot. 1218 00:56:00.630 --> 00:56:04.440 Um, yeah, I've, I've internalized the rhythm of, of the show. Um, I, um, 1219 00:56:07.260 --> 00:56:09.269 I completely lost my train of thought. Oh yeah. I have, 1220 00:56:09.369 --> 00:56:11.090 I don't really have a lot of childhood photos, so 1221 00:56:11.130 --> 00:56:12.789 I got to get on here. This is actually interesting 1222 00:56:12.809 --> 00:56:15.829 to me because yeah, I feel like there's like a 1223 00:56:15.909 --> 00:56:19.360 gap between like my, cause I was a child actor 1224 00:56:20.219 --> 00:56:22.360 for a few years. I don't know if we've got, 1225 00:56:22.420 --> 00:56:23.199 if you're going to get to that. 1226 00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:29.400 Go ahead and talk about it. It's a perfect segue. 1227 00:56:30.530 --> 00:56:30.800 Yeah. 1228 00:56:30.860 --> 00:56:34.150 So I'm, I'm from the middle of nowhere in Arkansas and, 1229 00:56:34.929 --> 00:56:37.130 my mom had a childhood friend that she was in 1230 00:56:37.190 --> 00:56:39.860 pageants with. I was also in pageants. I was a 1231 00:56:39.860 --> 00:56:40.920 little Mr. Pike County, 1990. 1232 00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:43.360 By the way, just interrupt for one second. Your mother 1233 00:56:43.420 --> 00:56:46.199 is lovely by the way. When I met her on set, 1234 00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:47.219 she's so lovely. 1235 00:56:48.820 --> 00:56:50.340 I think she's really great in the movie too. 1236 00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:52.880 She is great in the movie. She's fantastic. 1237 00:56:54.070 --> 00:56:56.309 That was all improv by the way, her entire scene, 1238 00:56:56.369 --> 00:56:58.969 she had like, she had one scripted line and she 1239 00:56:58.989 --> 00:57:00.750 was like, can I just try something? I said, you 1240 00:57:00.769 --> 00:57:03.710 can do anything you want. Um, Yeah, go for it. 1241 00:57:03.809 --> 00:57:04.409 That's amazing. 1242 00:57:04.630 --> 00:57:06.650 Jake will be able to keep up, do anything you want. 1243 00:57:06.670 --> 00:57:08.210 I'm going to set cameras up on both of you. 1244 00:57:08.230 --> 00:57:10.170 That's awesome. So you can talk over each other. Don't 1245 00:57:10.190 --> 00:57:11.869 worry about it. Do anything you want. And that's what 1246 00:57:11.909 --> 00:57:12.170 she did. 1247 00:57:12.329 --> 00:57:13.949 You know who she is in the movie, right, Jack? 1248 00:57:14.510 --> 00:57:18.179 I do. She's in Arkansas too, right, Clark? She is, yeah. 1249 00:57:18.219 --> 00:57:18.679 On the couch? 1250 00:57:19.699 --> 00:57:20.000 Yeah. 1251 00:57:20.059 --> 00:57:21.300 Most people don't know that. 1252 00:57:21.780 --> 00:57:21.960 Yeah. 1253 00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:25.139 Even like friends and family and people back home didn't 1254 00:57:25.179 --> 00:57:27.599 seem to know that was her in Arkansas. Wow. 1255 00:57:27.980 --> 00:57:33.420 Yeah. Actually, we watched Arkansas. Believe it or not. A 1256 00:57:33.420 --> 00:57:35.920 couple weeks ago. I got hip to it watching this movie. 1257 00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:37.079 It's a really good movie, man. 1258 00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:42.139 Thank you. Yeah, I didn't watch it for a long time, 1259 00:57:42.159 --> 00:57:45.329 but I saw it randomly about a year ago. It 1260 00:57:45.369 --> 00:57:50.389 was on, I don't know, on some channel. I saw 1261 00:57:50.429 --> 00:57:52.570 it and I sat down and watched it. Yeah, I 1262 00:57:52.610 --> 00:57:53.150 was pleased with it. 1263 00:57:53.150 --> 00:57:53.769 That's awesome. 1264 00:57:54.110 --> 00:57:56.030 So when you said you were a pageant winner, what is, 1265 00:57:56.530 --> 00:57:58.940 I mean, I know what a girl beauty pageant is, 1266 00:57:58.980 --> 00:58:00.599 but what kind of pageant are we talking about? 1267 00:58:01.550 --> 00:58:03.670 You know, it's like five-year-olds, so there's no like talent 1268 00:58:03.690 --> 00:58:06.429 or anything. It's basically just who's the most beautiful child. 1269 00:58:06.550 --> 00:58:08.030 So you're a beautiful child is what you're saying. 1270 00:58:08.309 --> 00:58:14.360 Also, this is– oh, my God. I was a breathtaking child. 1271 00:58:14.429 --> 00:58:19.360 It's been downhill ever since age five or whatever that was. Well, 1272 00:58:19.420 --> 00:58:21.940 and this sort of– you know, I really– I feel 1273 00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:24.079 like I have like empiric proof of like being a 1274 00:58:24.099 --> 00:58:27.510 beautiful child because

to get back to my story– My 1275 00:58:27.550 --> 00:58:29.630 mom had this childhood friend from pageants. By the way, 1276 00:58:29.670 --> 00:58:32.329 pageants like Vienna's completely normal in the South. None of 1277 00:58:32.349 --> 00:58:33.250 this is weird. 1278 00:58:33.289 --> 00:58:33.989 Everyone I know. 1279 00:58:34.289 --> 00:58:36.710 Yeah, that's good that you appreciate that this doesn't sound 1280 00:58:37.010 --> 00:58:37.570 kosher to us. 1281 00:58:37.590 --> 00:58:38.809 Yeah, right. 1282 00:58:38.969 --> 00:58:39.150 No. 1283 00:58:39.269 --> 00:58:41.300 So, yeah, I have to I have to lay that 1284 00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:43.179 out that like none of this is considered weird in 1285 00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:45.320 the South. Like my uncle was in pageants. My best 1286 00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:47.679 friend in high school was in the pageant. Like everyone 1287 00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:48.019 did this. 1288 00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:54.840 It's the lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack Encarnacio and J.P. 1289 00:58:54.909 --> 00:58:55.280 Sorrow. 1290 00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:05.650 It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast. 1291 00:59:05.809 --> 00:59:07.730 But anyway, my mom was in, like, my mom was 1292 00:59:07.849 --> 00:59:09.030 like the Miss Arkansas pageant. 1293 00:59:09.510 --> 00:59:09.949 Yeah. 1294 00:59:10.050 --> 00:59:14.090 And she had a friend from the pageants that that 1295 00:59:14.110 --> 00:59:19.760 had came out to L.A. and had was was working 1296 00:59:19.780 --> 00:59:21.920 a little bit like I think was, you know, had 1297 00:59:21.940 --> 00:59:24.360 done like like a like a Friday the 13th movie 1298 00:59:24.380 --> 00:59:26.980 and some commercials and stuff like that and came out 1299 00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:29.820 to visit her. And I was I think I was five. 1300 00:59:31.179 --> 00:59:36.510 So this would be like nineteen like ninety. And her, her, 1301 00:59:36.570 --> 00:59:40.030 my mother's friend, her manager saw me and he goes, well, 1302 00:59:40.050 --> 00:59:43.119 we gotta, we gotta send him out. Um, cause you, 1303 00:59:43.179 --> 00:59:45.099 but you also got to keep in mind the context of, 1304 00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:49.159 you know, the nineties was the high point of children 1305 00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:52.400 on television. This is like post Macaulay Culkin, Elijah Wood. 1306 00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:54.980 This is like every sitcom, like think of all those 1307 00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:58.000 TGIF shows. It's all a bunch of kids, right? Like every, 1308 00:59:58.179 --> 01:00:03.239 every sitcom on TV had kids on it. Um, So 1309 01:00:03.559 --> 01:00:05.800 he sends me out on a commercial and, um, and 1310 01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:08.000 I book it and I did, I did a bunch 1311 01:00:08.019 --> 01:00:10.500 of commercials. I like a, like a Toyota, like Superbowl ad. 1312 01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:12.820 I did a big, I have huge Pop-Tarts commercial. 1313 01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:15.929 Is it? Well, there's one. So one of them, uh, 1314 01:00:17.010 --> 01:00:19.170 the Madison County record made a mention of you in 1315 01:00:19.210 --> 01:00:23.869 a cereal commercial when you were six. Do you remember that? Yeah. 1316 01:00:23.909 --> 01:00:28.110 I think, uh, it was, uh, it was the Kellogg's, the, um, 1317 01:00:28.909 --> 01:00:31.650 the snack packs, like the multi packs with the, you know, the, 1318 01:00:31.690 --> 01:00:33.809 all the tiny cereals, I think. I think it was that. 1319 01:00:34.150 --> 01:00:36.929 And I don't, I'm like, maybe I have a VHS somewhere. The, 1320 01:00:37.050 --> 01:00:38.989 the pop tarts one is on YouTube because somebody sent 1321 01:00:39.010 --> 01:00:42.739 it to me recently. And that was, so that was fun. Um, 1322 01:00:43.260 --> 01:00:47.400 but I did these commercials and then CBS, the network 1323 01:00:48.260 --> 01:00:51.059 signed me to a talent holding deal when I was 1324 01:00:51.539 --> 01:00:52.219 six years old. 1325 01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:53.039 Amazing. 1326 01:00:53.940 --> 01:00:57.460 And so, and, and like, you know, like I said, 1327 01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:00.480 none of this was planned. Like this, like came from 1328 01:01:00.539 --> 01:01:06.989 like a vacation. Um, And yeah, so I ended up 1329 01:01:07.369 --> 01:01:11.570 on this sitcom, uh, called Hearts of Fire with John Ritter, 1330 01:01:11.590 --> 01:01:15.780 Billy Bob Thornton, Marky Post, Leslie Jordan was on the show, 1331 01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:19.880 Ed Asner, like insane cast, like all time, like, like 1332 01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:23.800 hall of fame cast on this thing. And did that for, 1333 01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:29.860 for three seasons. And then after that, um, we, we 1334 01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:31.679 just went back to Arkansas. We just moved back home. 1335 01:01:31.699 --> 01:01:34.869 Like my mom thought it was important. And, and, and I, 1336 01:01:35.110 --> 01:01:38.190 she was right to have to get to, to have 1337 01:01:38.230 --> 01:01:42.130 the normal, the normal, like, like child high school experience. 1338 01:01:42.170 --> 01:01:45.030 And she was insistent. I go to college, um, above 1339 01:01:45.070 --> 01:01:48.699 all else. And so, yeah, so we, we moved back 1340 01:01:48.739 --> 01:01:51.469 to Arkansas for, uh, for high school. And then I, 1341 01:01:52.300 --> 01:01:56.070 I think having like seen the kind of larger world 1342 01:01:56.119 --> 01:01:59.150 out there, I was, I was pretty bored. In high school. 1343 01:01:59.210 --> 01:02:02.269 So I actually, um, my junior year of high school, 1344 01:02:02.309 --> 01:02:04.190 I took all my senior classes at night. Like I 1345 01:02:04.230 --> 01:02:06.949 would go to high school during the day and then 1346 01:02:06.969 --> 01:02:09.940 I would drive to a community college and just took 1347 01:02:09.980 --> 01:02:12.400 all my senior classes at night. So I, I graduated 1348 01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:15.480 high school, like right

when I turned 17, um, and 1349 01:02:15.539 --> 01:02:16.940 came out to LA for college. 1350 01:02:17.340 --> 01:02:20.519 That's funny. Cause like you, you, you were like, you said, 1351 01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:23.920 I want to, uh, uh, I'm tired of high school. 1352 01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:26.820 I'm going to learn more me. I was like, I 1353 01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:29.469 don't want to do anything. You're better. You did a 1354 01:02:29.929 --> 01:02:30.889 smarter thing than I did. 1355 01:02:32.090 --> 01:02:34.090 Well, I knew what I wanted to do. I knew 1356 01:02:34.130 --> 01:02:35.969 that I wanted to be a movie director. So and 1357 01:02:36.010 --> 01:02:37.489 I knew I wanted to go to film school since 1358 01:02:37.530 --> 01:02:43.309 I was about 12. So I I applied to UT 1359 01:02:43.349 --> 01:02:45.489 and USC and Loyola and I got into I think 1360 01:02:45.510 --> 01:02:48.440 I got into all those. And I actually came out 1361 01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:51.360 here to go to SC and I went downtown and 1362 01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:54.440 this was, you know, this was 2000. this is 2002. 1363 01:02:54.429 --> 01:02:56.590 So like downtown LA was, I mean, downtown LA is 1364 01:02:56.610 --> 01:02:58.440 still really sketchy, but it was, it was, it was 1365 01:02:58.519 --> 01:03:00.860 probably worse than it was. It was definitely worse. 1366 01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:04.360 When did you, when did you, when was this? 1367 01:03:04.360 --> 01:03:04.559 2002. 1368 01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:04.719 Okay. 1369 01:03:05.500 --> 01:03:07.039 This would have been my freshman year. 1370 01:03:07.059 --> 01:03:10.429 A couple of years before I lived out there. Um, yeah, 1371 01:03:10.449 --> 01:03:12.329 it was nasty. Yeah. It was, it was rough. 1372 01:03:12.769 --> 01:03:15.289 If you know where, if you know where Loyola, uh, 1373 01:03:15.510 --> 01:03:18.329 Loyola is, you know, it's down in Marina Del Rey 1374 01:03:18.349 --> 01:03:22.900 and it's just, it's like the most beautiful campus. Um, it, 1375 01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:26.690 it's just awesome. Like, it's just so pretty. And, and, and, 1376 01:03:26.699 --> 01:03:28.780 you know, they're like, like USC is the number one 1377 01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:31.809 film school and LMU is like the number five. But 1378 01:03:31.849 --> 01:03:35.230 I actually, I love the program because at USC, it's 1379 01:03:35.349 --> 01:03:38.530 way more focused on theory and it was way more 1380 01:03:38.570 --> 01:03:42.150 focused on physical production at Loyola. Like everybody, every undergrad 1381 01:03:42.190 --> 01:03:45.090 makes at minimum two films. And that works out great 1382 01:03:45.139 --> 01:03:48.960 for me because my thesis film was actually the, the 1383 01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:51.119 first episode of Clark and Michael would be a Michael Cera. 1384 01:03:51.460 --> 01:03:51.739 Nice. 1385 01:03:51.860 --> 01:03:54.599 And then, I ended up, and then we sold that 1386 01:03:54.980 --> 01:03:59.679

to CBS. Again, CBS has always been there for me, uh, 1387 01:03:59.750 --> 01:04:04.650 my whole life. And, um, yeah. And then, and then 1388 01:04:04.690 --> 01:04:08.730 from there I, I, I, you know, acted for all 1389 01:04:08.750 --> 01:04:12.289 through my twenties and most of my thirties until, uh, yeah, 1390 01:04:12.309 --> 01:04:14.309 until I made Arkansas basically. 1391 01:04:15.110 --> 01:04:18.489 Jack, have you ever seen the Clark and Michael show? Yes, 1392 01:04:18.750 --> 01:04:20.489 I have. So fucking funny. Yeah. Amazing. 1393 01:04:20.690 --> 01:04:24.619 I mean, It was such a great time. You mentioned 1394 01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:28.449 Funny or Die. There was just so much space for 1395 01:04:29.489 --> 01:04:30.309 pitches like that. 1396 01:04:30.929 --> 01:04:31.650 I don't know. 1397 01:04:31.670 --> 01:04:34.010 Maybe I just don't pay enough attention anymore, but there's 1398 01:04:34.030 --> 01:04:39.010 got to be a million great ideas like that that 1399 01:04:39.050 --> 01:04:40.090 have nowhere to get made now. 1400 01:04:41.570 --> 01:04:44.090 Well, the craziest one that came out of it is– 1401 01:04:44.349 --> 01:04:48.119 I don't know if you guys saw Nirvana, the band– 1402 01:04:48.449 --> 01:04:49.510 the movie. 1403 01:04:49.969 --> 01:04:51.590 No, I haven't seen it. I know what you're talking about. 1404 01:04:51.610 --> 01:04:56.199 No. at one, uh, TIFF, the Toronto film festival last year. 1405 01:04:56.940 --> 01:04:59.659 And I actually have, um, I'm friends with those guys, 1406 01:04:59.780 --> 01:05:03.420 but the, the origin of their show, which they're from 1407 01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:07.650 Toronto was, was they saw Clark and Michael and basically, um, 1408 01:05:08.329 --> 01:05:11.369 like I remember when, when Jay McCarroll from the, from the, 1409 01:05:12.070 --> 01:05:15.309 from Nirvana, the band, the movie, the show sent me 1410 01:05:15.389 --> 01:05:18.949 the episodes. Um, it was like watching a cover band. 1411 01:05:19.210 --> 01:05:20.429 It was, it was really surreal. 1412 01:05:20.789 --> 01:05:21.070 Wow. 1413 01:05:21.449 --> 01:05:24.250 Um, but I mean, they've obviously taken it so much 1414 01:05:24.289 --> 01:05:26.510 further than me and Michael did. Like, I mean, they've like, 1415 01:05:27.730 --> 01:05:30.429 I love that movie. Everybody should watch that movie. Um, 1416 01:05:32.300 --> 01:05:34.260 but yeah, there was, there was, it was definitely a time, 1417 01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:37.760 you know, that was when like UCB had started in LA. Um, 1418 01:05:37.860 --> 01:05:39.599 and there were a lot of people, like I remember 1419 01:05:39.739 --> 01:05:41.380 hanging out there all the time and going to shows 1420 01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:43.510 all the time. And, and there was like an energy, 1421 01:05:43.550 --> 01:05:45.630 like that was like, there were just a bunch of 1422 01:05:45.690 --> 01:05:48.909 us around that were doing a lot of shit like that. Like, 1423

01:05:49.010 --> 01:05:51.690 you know, that was when like Derek Waters did drunk history. 1424 01:05:51.289 --> 01:05:55.039 And, That's a great example of what I mean. Like 1425 01:05:55.059 --> 01:05:55.719 Comedy Central. 1426 01:05:55.739 --> 01:05:58.239 I mean, they were, you know, they had like six, 1427 01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:01.860 seven things going and now it's like, it's, there's nothing 1428 01:06:01.900 --> 01:06:02.380 on that channel. 1429 01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:04.429 I don't think. 1430 01:06:03.949 --> 01:06:04.869 The channel exists. 1431 01:06:05.030 --> 01:06:05.369 Yeah. 1432 01:06:05.409 --> 01:06:08.829 It's, it's, it's fucking grim. It's, it's a weird, it's 1433 01:06:08.849 --> 01:06:11.329 a weird time now. Cause this was like, you know, 1434 01:06:11.510 --> 01:06:13.489 I remember Clark and Michael came out a year or 1435 01:06:13.510 --> 01:06:16.760 two before YouTube existed. So, I mean, it was really like, yeah. 1436 01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:19.159 I can remember loading comedy videos like that and like 1437 01:06:19.219 --> 01:06:20.550 JavaScript in a website. 1438 01:06:20.929 --> 01:06:21.329 Yeah, right. 1439 01:06:21.929 --> 01:06:25.900 Yeah. We were just way too early. I feel like– 1440 01:06:26.309 --> 01:06:28.710 I don't know if there's any history books that even 1441 01:06:28.750 --> 01:06:31.139 exist to represent this, but I feel like we were 1442 01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:37.579 the first like backed by someone web series. Like, I mean, 1443 01:06:37.659 --> 01:06:39.719 I don't have any, I'm sure, I'm sure like somebody's 1444 01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:40.400 got some answer. 1445 01:06:40.420 --> 01:06:42.159 The first one that comes to mind is just someone 1446 01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:42.780 out in the world. 1447 01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:46.730 I don't, yeah, I don't know anybody that did it 1448 01:06:46.789 --> 01:06:49.530 before us, but we were, we were approximately 20 years 1449 01:06:49.630 --> 01:06:50.070 too early. 1450 01:06:50.269 --> 01:06:50.710 Absolutely. 1451 01:06:50.750 --> 01:06:50.889 Yeah. 1452 01:06:50.929 --> 01:06:51.090 Right. 1453 01:06:52.369 --> 01:06:55.489 But people seem to really still find it now and 1454 01:06:55.690 --> 01:06:57.889 like it a lot. And I got it. I, you know, 1455 01:06:58.550 --> 01:07:01.449 I remember I watched them a couple of years ago 1456 01:07:01.489 --> 01:07:03.909 and I was kind of I was kind of blown 1457 01:07:03.949 --> 01:07:06.070 away by like, I like, I am not embarrassed by these. 1458 01:07:06.090 --> 01:07:08.269 These are really fucking funny. I made when I was 1459 01:07:08.349 --> 01:07:09.130 like 20. 1460 01:07:09.130 --> 01:07:15.219 There's, there's one shot that I remember so much. And you're, you're, 1461 01:07:15.579 --> 01:07:17.400 I think, I don't know, it's either you or Sarah 1462 01:07:17.420 --> 01:07:22.030 was sitting on the couch and you're, one of yours 1463 01:07:22.309 --> 01:07:24.889 foot in a sock was in the

foreground and there's 1464 01:07:24.929 --> 01:07:28.550 just a gaping hole in the sock. And it was 1465 01:07:28.590 --> 01:07:31.070 just like, Oh my God. And it's like, you know, 1466 01:07:31.110 --> 01:07:33.079 you're like separated, like you're on one side of the 1467 01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:34.780 sock and he's on the other. And it was just 1468 01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:37.800 the fucking, the composition of that shot is just too 1469 01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:39.579 fucking much for me. I was, I loved it. It 1470 01:07:39.619 --> 01:07:40.219 was so funny. 1471 01:07:40.579 --> 01:07:45.010 Yeah. Yeah. That was real. Those are my socks. That 1472 01:07:45.030 --> 01:07:46.570 was all, it was all real. 1473 01:07:47.130 --> 01:07:48.650 No, that's good. That's good. That's perfect. 1474 01:07:49.760 --> 01:07:53.659 Um, but anyway, back to eighth grade or whatever. 1475 01:07:53.679 --> 01:07:59.179 Um, we're past that. We're good with that now. Um, really? So, uh, uh, 1476 01:08:01.059 --> 01:08:04.550 you got what, what, I mean, you said you wanted 1477 01:08:04.570 --> 01:08:06.510 to make movies from when you were 12 years old 1478 01:08:07.130 --> 01:08:13.030 and what finally got you to take that step with Arkansas? 1479 01:08:14.809 --> 01:08:17.399 Well, I mean, it was sort of always my plan. 1480 01:08:17.409 --> 01:08:18.640 I mean, you know, like I said, I went to 1481 01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:20.659 film school and Clark and Michael, you know, me and 1482 01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:22.439 Mike wrote them and I directed them and edited all 1483 01:08:22.460 --> 01:08:24.380 of them. Um, so that was, that was really my, 1484 01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:27.060 my plan. But then from being in Clark and Michael, 1485 01:08:27.100 --> 01:08:32.800 the acting stuff, uh, the acting stuff happened, which, you know, like, yeah, 1486 01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:35.899 being like get the star in comedy movies and you're 1487 01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:39.520 throughout my twenties was a fucking blast. Um, but, but 1488 01:08:39.550 --> 01:08:41.569 I had all, you know, the directing was always the plan. 1489 01:08:41.609 --> 01:08:44.779 Like I optioned the book for Arkansas, like You know, 1490 01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:46.729 like eight years or something before I ever made it 1491 01:08:46.859 --> 01:08:49.590 when I was like 33 or I think it was 1492 01:08:49.590 --> 01:08:51.210 33 when I made it. But I had the book 1493 01:08:51.250 --> 01:08:53.630 for like almost a decade. It had been trying to 1494 01:08:53.670 --> 01:08:55.689 make it. But, you know, I just I just kept 1495 01:08:55.689 --> 01:08:57.750 kind of kicking the can down the road because, um, 1496 01:08:58.729 --> 01:09:00.970 you know, he'd get another job and just, it's, it's, 1497 01:09:01.529 --> 01:09:03.989 it's hard. Like you can't, it's, it's really, you know, 1498 01:09:04.010 --> 01:09:05.439 if you're on a TV show that works like nine 1499 01:09:05.449 --> 01:09:07.800 months a year and, um, there was just always something 1500 01:09:07.810 --> 01:09:09.100 kind of in the way. And I mean, I think 1501 01:09:09.140 --> 01:09:13.380 the honest answer is, uh, right, right when I turned 30, my, 1502 01:09:13.500 --> 01:09:16.739 my grandfather passed who was, um, who was more like a, 1503 01:09:16.979 --> 01:09:18.829 like a father than a, than a grandfather to me. 1504 01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:23.090 And I think that was kind of my first sense of, 1505 01:09:23.890 --> 01:09:25.390 you know, any kind of, and I think it like 1506 01:09:25.430 --> 01:09:27.430 dovetailed with the turning 30s. So I think there was 1507 01:09:27.470 --> 01:09:30.210 just like the first kind of sense of passage of time, 1508 01:09:30.250 --> 01:09:33.250 of mortality, of like, you know, you don't have unlimited time. 1509 01:09:33.289 --> 01:09:34.670 Like if you really want to do this, like you 1510 01:09:34.689 --> 01:09:37.949 better get started. And then even from there, you know, 1511 01:09:37.989 --> 01:09:41.859 it took, yeah, it took, I think, three years of 1512 01:09:41.899 --> 01:09:44.300 just like working on it every day to actually, I mean, 1513 01:09:44.340 --> 01:09:47.770 making anybody will tell you making an indie is pretty difficult. it's, 1514 01:09:47.930 --> 01:09:49.710 I don't know anybody who has like a, like a 1515 01:09:49.770 --> 01:09:53.250 really great time or process. Like I've like the one 1516 01:09:53.270 --> 01:09:55.890 that I'm, I'm in prep on now. Um, I feel 1517 01:09:55.909 --> 01:09:59.439 like I figured enough things out that like, I've sort of, it's, 1518 01:09:59.579 --> 01:10:01.560 it's going a little better, but I mean, it's always, 1519 01:10:01.760 --> 01:10:04.560 it's always hard. Um, an indie, an indie film is 1520 01:10:04.579 --> 01:10:06.600 always hard, but, but yeah, I mean, that was me 1521 01:10:06.619 --> 01:10:07.890 and I had no idea what I was doing. And, 1522 01:10:07.899 --> 01:10:09.810 you know, there was so much just sitting around trying 1523 01:10:09.850 --> 01:10:13.449 to attach, um, attach actors. Cause it's this chicken and 1524 01:10:13.489 --> 01:10:16.460 egg thing of like, nobody wants to finance it unless 1525 01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:18.640 you have cast attached and no cast wants to attach 1526 01:10:18.659 --> 01:10:22.960 unless it's already financed and it's real. So really, I mean, 1527 01:10:22.979 --> 01:10:24.760 the thing that made it happen was just Liam, Liam 1528 01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:28.159 Hemsworth said, yes, just, just read the script and wanted 1529 01:10:28.180 --> 01:10:29.579 to do it. And that was, and after that we were, 1530 01:10:29.699 --> 01:10:30.189 we were all good. 1531 01:10:30.850 --> 01:10:33.329 That's crazy. Did you know him beforehand? 1532 01:10:33.369 --> 01:10:36.590 Yeah. It took years. No, I did not. I did not. We, 1533 01:10:36.630 --> 01:10:39.890 we had a, yeah, basically a blind date. I remember 1534 01:10:39.930 -->

01:10:43.529 I showed up and I am, I mean, this is my, 1535 01:10:43.590 --> 01:10:45.810 we're friends now, but I, at the time he told 1536 01:10:45.829 --> 01:10:48.090 me this way later, he goes, when he told me 1537 01:10:48.109 --> 01:10:49.630 he wanted to do it, he said, I looked so 1538 01:10:49.689 --> 01:10:51.869 surprised that he was worried he had made a mistake. Yeah. 1539 01:10:51.890 --> 01:10:52.609 Yeah. 1540 01:10:52.989 --> 01:10:55.350 Cause I just, I never like, you know, cause I just, 1541 01:10:55.729 --> 01:10:57.630 you have so many of these, like, you know, you 1542 01:10:57.670 --> 01:10:59.810 wait for somebody, you read it for weeks and you'd 1543 01:10:59.829 --> 01:11:06.729 have lunches and like, um, but yeah, Liam, uh, that, 1544 01:11:06.770 --> 01:11:08.220 that always made me laugh. He said, I looked, I 1545 01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:10.239 looked so shy. I looked so surprised when he said 1546 01:11:10.260 --> 01:11:14.020 he wanted to do it. Yeah. my reaction gave him pause. 1547 01:11:14.560 --> 01:11:16.039 So you, you option the book and I can see 1548 01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:18.199 why the novel stood out on the bookshelf. Cause it's 1549 01:11:18.539 --> 01:11:21.250 fucking called Arkansas and you're a Kansan. Do you think 1550 01:11:21.270 --> 01:11:24.470 that that's helped you to represent a point of view 1551 01:11:24.550 --> 01:11:25.390 from a state that. 1552 01:11:25.810 --> 01:11:27.010 Has to be underrepresented? 1553 01:11:27.090 --> 01:11:29.510 I mean, I don't know the first thing about what 1554 01:11:29.550 --> 01:11:31.729 it's like to live in Arkansas, but I watch Arkansas 1555 01:11:32.260 --> 01:11:33.140 and I watch. 1556 01:11:33.859 --> 01:11:36.399 Well, now I know that. Now I know that. So 1557 01:11:36.439 --> 01:11:37.659 that helps. Sucking down Viennas. 1558 01:11:38.619 --> 01:11:44.760 Um, and yeah, what a visual. And, um, And Stranglehold 2, 1559 01:11:44.760 --> 01:11:46.279 like there's like this. I mean, I don't know if 1560 01:11:46.300 --> 01:11:47.760 you grew up one of those trailers that the main 1561 01:11:47.779 --> 01:11:50.310 characters do, but it's sort of like you have the 1562 01:11:50.350 --> 01:11:53.470 Christmas theme, which, of course, is a fucking direct route 1563 01:11:53.510 --> 01:11:54.029 to my heart. 1564 01:11:54.310 --> 01:11:57.710 Yeah, I think I've said this. I don't know that 1565 01:11:57.750 --> 01:12:00.689 this really checked off so many bucket list. So many 1566 01:12:00.729 --> 01:12:03.119 for me. Like I want to be in a Christmas movie. 1567 01:12:03.270 --> 01:12:06.029 I wanted to play an Italian monster. I wanted to 1568 01:12:06.050 --> 01:12:09.130 get killed on camera. I wanted to work with a 1569 01:12:09.170 --> 01:12:13.510 bunch of fucking carnies in the movie. I wanted Ron 1570 01:12:13.550 --> 01:12:15.800 Perlman to look even more like David Schultz. 1571 01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:22.100 He really does. 1572 01:12:22.399 -->

01:12:23.500 Oh, my God. He really does. 1573 01:12:23.539 --> 01:12:24.579 With the earrings. 1574 01:12:24.659 --> 01:12:25.000 Oh, shit. 1575 01:12:25.060 --> 01:12:25.460 Yeah. 1576 01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:27.319 I haven't done that. 1577 01:12:27.579 --> 01:12:28.739 I mean, I was looking to see if he's going 1578 01:12:28.760 --> 01:12:30.720 to slap John Stossel before he returned. 1579 01:12:30.500 --> 01:12:32.420 Fire at the end. 1580 01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:36.010 But so is this like– are you getting stuff in 1581 01:12:36.050 --> 01:12:37.710 that's like what it's like to grow up in Arkansas, 1582 01:12:37.750 --> 01:12:39.670 what it's like to have Christmas in Arkansas? Is that 1583 01:12:39.729 --> 01:12:40.869 going on in Stranglehold? 1584 01:12:42.729 --> 01:12:45.850 I mean, yeah. I mean, for Arkansas, the first one, 1585 01:12:46.670 --> 01:12:50.720 the truth is that my– my other grandfather was this 1586 01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:53.239 kind of tertiary Dixie mafia character. And I'd always wanted 1587 01:12:53.260 --> 01:12:55.840 to write something about that. So then when I, when 1588 01:12:55.880 --> 01:12:58.819 I read, yeah. So when I read the book, I 1589 01:12:58.850 --> 01:13:01.310 was like, well, this is like a better version than 1590 01:13:01.350 --> 01:13:04.350 what I was going to come up with. Um, and the, the, 1591 01:13:04.590 --> 01:13:07.289 the book, the Arkansas book just really hit me as like, um, 1592 01:13:08.270 --> 01:13:09.470 like it occurred to me the other day. Like, I 1593 01:13:09.510 --> 01:13:12.250 feel like the, the, the theme with both of these 1594 01:13:12.310 --> 01:13:15.229 movies is I feel like, um, they're both about like 1595 01:13:15.710 --> 01:13:17.810 the kind of death of the American dream. But to me, 1596 01:13:17.850 --> 01:13:21.170 like Arkansas is, Arkansas is about millennials and stranglehold is 1597 01:13:21.229 --> 01:13:22.270 about Gen Z. Yep. 1598 01:13:22.989 --> 01:13:23.149 Yeah. 1599 01:13:23.689 --> 01:13:25.510 Like that was like in my mind, that's kind of, 1600 01:13:25.510 --> 01:13:27.319 and I, and I like, I'm not going to act 1601 01:13:27.340 --> 01:13:28.720 like I was like smart enough to do this ahead 1602 01:13:28.739 --> 01:13:30.920 of time, but like in hindsight, those are the, that's 1603 01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:33.020 the kind of the thematic thread that jumps out at me. 1604 01:13:35.460 --> 01:13:38.430 You know, I, Yeah, Arkansas was a book I adapted, 1605 01:13:38.449 --> 01:13:41.130 but the thing that– I think the thing that resonated 1606 01:13:41.149 --> 01:13:43.329 with me was wanting to make something about my grandfather 1607 01:13:43.489 --> 01:13:47.229 and recognizing that in it and recognizing the two guys, 1608 01:13:47.289 --> 01:13:49.090 the characters that were my age in the book that 1609 01:13:49.250 --> 01:13:51.430 I related to of just this kind of malaise they had. 1610 01:13:51.449 --> 01:13:53.390 Malaise. Yeah. 1611 01:13:53.449 --> 01:13:55.329 I mean that– you really nailed that, the malaise. It's 1612 01:13:55.409 --> 01:13:58.890 like some of the lines– some of the dialogue in Stranglehold, 1613 01:13:58.949 --> 01:14:00.729 so folks that are going to think about checking it out, 1614 01:14:00.750 --> 01:14:03.270 I'd encourage it because like, whoa, like it punches above 1615 01:14:03.310 --> 01:14:05.399 its weight all of a sudden. Like they're making serious 1616 01:14:05.460 --> 01:14:09.350 fucking points about the– the moment we're in and, you know, 1617 01:14:09.470 --> 01:14:12.270 just some of the, some of the dialogue and stranglehold 1618 01:14:12.289 --> 01:14:18.310 that the characters have Clark about, you know, doomerism, COVID vaccines, ivermectin, 1619 01:14:18.430 --> 01:14:22.060 like you thread it all in and, you know, foreign invaders, 1620 01:14:22.449 --> 01:14:25.300 the stars and bars being replaced by old glory. I 1621 01:14:26.779 --> 01:14:30.020 suppose you're calling upon like what, you know, your home 1622 01:14:30.060 --> 01:14:32.640 state to be like, as opposed to just, you know, 1623 01:14:32.899 --> 01:14:35.539 creating a whole cloth fantasy about what it's like down there. 1624 01:14:35.880 --> 01:14:36.739 at that moment in time. 1625 01:14:38.439 --> 01:14:38.760 Yeah. 1626 01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:42.100 A hundred percent. And it's so good to hear. Cause 1627 01:14:42.340 --> 01:14:44.739 you guys are literally the first people I've, I've talked to, like, 1628 01:14:44.779 --> 01:14:47.159 I'm about to do a couple of weeks of, you know, 1629 01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:48.779 podcasts and talking to people, but this is the first 1630 01:14:48.810 --> 01:14:50.649 time I've got to like talk to anybody that's watched 1631 01:14:50.670 --> 01:14:53.409 the movie cold. So that's, that's great to hear that, that, 1632 01:14:53.569 --> 01:14:55.770 that stuff comes through and lands and worked for you 1633 01:14:55.789 --> 01:15:00.689 like that. I, yeah, I mean, to me, that's like, 1634 01:15:00.770 --> 01:15:03.939 that's the reason the movie exists is, is that, Like 1635 01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:06.039 for me to like, you know, the heist is sort 1636 01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:08.579 of an excuse for me to get to like talk 1637 01:15:08.619 --> 01:15:11.439 about this stuff that's interesting to me about that I 1638 01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:15.119 see in the world. And it was important to me 1639 01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:18.289 that like, you know, the interesting thing for me is 1640 01:15:18.350 --> 01:15:21.890 I feel like I don't really think anybody's a villain. 1641 01:15:21.970 --> 01:15:24.350 Like to me, like Perlman's character, you know, like he's 1642 01:15:24.390 --> 01:15:26.310 kind of ostensibly the villain in the movie. But to me, 1643 01:15:26.369 --> 01:15:28.270 like he's sort of the most innocent guy that makes 1644 01:15:28.310 --> 01:15:30.729 the most sense. And I also feel like he has 1645 01:15:30.770 -->

01:15:33.350 the exact same politics as the people robbing him. 1646 01:15:33.380 --> 01:15:33.460 Yeah. 1647 01:15:34.100 --> 01:15:37.420 Um, but they just like express it differently. Like they're, 1648 01:15:38.279 --> 01:15:40.020 I don't know. I, I, you know, the one that 1649 01:15:40.039 --> 01:15:43.819 you ask if, um, you know, if there's anything to 1650 01:15:43.859 --> 01:15:46.470 like me making these movies set there, I mean, I, 1651 01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:51.270 I definitely think it, um, I think it's an underserved market. 1652 01:15:51.289 --> 01:15:52.649 I mean, not just Arkansas, but the middle of the 1653 01:15:52.689 --> 01:15:56.069 country in general, um, which is very clear when you 1654 01:15:56.109 --> 01:15:58.930 see the success of Landman, you know, and all the 1655 01:15:58.949 --> 01:16:02.729 Taylor Sheridan shows, like, like clearly, um, There's. 1656 01:16:02.520 --> 01:16:05.470 A thirst to understand what's going on in those hinterlands. 1657 01:16:06.590 --> 01:16:08.390 The coastal people would think about it as just a 1658 01:16:08.949 --> 01:16:11.449 place that just is flat culturally. But there are these 1659 01:16:11.489 --> 01:16:14.489 little nuanced things about living there. Just to see these 1660 01:16:14.569 --> 01:16:16.670 guys– just see the guy live in a trailer and 1661 01:16:16.710 --> 01:16:19.949 then be a greeter at what looks like a totally 1662 01:16:20.130 --> 01:16:24.989 polished metropolitan grocery store. Like with all of the trappings 1663 01:16:25.069 --> 01:16:29.149 of like a big city Whole Foods. And it's just 1664 01:16:29.170 --> 01:16:32.989 like– yeah, they– you know, and everyone's on their state-of-the-art 1665 01:16:33.090 --> 01:16:37.310 iPhones and there's texting. It's like, they're just as technologically advanced, 1666 01:16:37.369 --> 01:16:40.569 but they use it to activate a different culture than 1667 01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:41.859 we would think about on the coast. 1668 01:16:42.680 --> 01:16:44.640 Well, and this is what's really interesting for me the 1669 01:16:44.680 --> 01:16:46.699 last few years that I noticed is, you know, when 1670 01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:49.100 I was in high school, there was a local regional 1671 01:16:49.479 --> 01:16:54.020 culture and now the internet has had this flattening effect 1672 01:16:54.050 --> 01:16:58.310 where we like there, I mean, that was sort of 1673 01:16:58.329 --> 01:17:00.539 the interesting thing to me is showing this, like, A 1674 01:17:00.619 --> 01:17:03.239 stripper in a trailer in the middle of Arkansas is 1675 01:17:03.300 --> 01:17:07.689 having to watch these same videos of people living this 1676 01:17:07.729 --> 01:17:09.329 high life on private jets and shit. 1677 01:17:09.350 --> 01:17:09.930 So good. 1678 01:17:10.449 --> 01:17:10.750 Yep. 1679 01:17:10.770 --> 01:17:12.810 I have to say I haven't really– sorry to cut 1680 01:17:12.829 --> 01:17:13.810 you off, but I want to get this in. I 1681 01:17:13.880 --> 01:17:16.279 haven't seen that depicted yet. And I don't watch movies 1682 01:17:16.319 --> 01:17:17.899 as voraciously as JP does, so maybe it's all over 1683 01:17:17.920 --> 01:17:20.399 the place. but to see like the depiction boss of 1684 01:17:20.439 --> 01:17:24.430 like a mom and her position, you know, using YouTube 1685 01:17:24.470 --> 01:17:26.529 to like babysit the two-year-old in the high chair. 1686 01:17:26.810 --> 01:17:30.010 Like that is so where we're at. No one would 1687 01:17:30.109 --> 01:17:33.529 think to make that cinematic, but it's here. No, I mean, 1688 01:17:33.569 --> 01:17:36.220 I think it's, it opens up a whole different, a 1689 01:17:36.300 --> 01:17:41.260 whole different view of, of honestly the whole influencer thing 1690 01:17:41.500 --> 01:17:46.189 and like how, and how people kind of, What's the word? 1691 01:17:46.229 --> 01:17:48.350 I don't think of the word, but like they, they, they, 1692 01:17:48.470 --> 01:17:51.270 they use it as kind of this either, either an 1693 01:17:51.310 --> 01:17:53.390 addiction to make themselves feel better or to make themselves 1694 01:17:53.430 --> 01:17:54.590 feel worse. Yeah. 1695 01:17:54.869 --> 01:17:55.829 You know, mostly worse. 1696 01:17:55.890 --> 01:17:56.149 Yeah. 1697 01:17:56.329 --> 01:17:56.649 Yeah. 1698 01:17:56.850 --> 01:17:58.909 Well, I don't know if they choose to make themselves 1699 01:17:58.930 --> 01:18:00.750 feel worse by watching it, but they do feel worse 1700 01:18:00.789 --> 01:18:03.760 by watching it, realizing that they don't have this life 1701 01:18:03.810 --> 01:18:06.239 that they kind of wish they had when they probably 1702 01:18:06.279 --> 01:18:07.319 don't wish they had it. 1703 01:18:08.199 --> 01:18:10.989 And the, and the life isn't real to begin with. Right. Um, 1704 01:18:11.250 --> 01:18:13.409 that's being portrayed on the, on the, on the screen. 1705 01:18:13.529 --> 01:18:16.170 I mean, to me, like I, yeah, I don't know 1706 01:18:16.210 --> 01:18:17.869 how you make a movie about right now that the 1707 01:18:17.909 --> 01:18:20.270 characters aren't always on their phones or on the screen. 1708 01:18:20.369 --> 01:18:22.909 And that was, and that, that was to me something 1709 01:18:22.930 --> 01:18:25.260 that was really funny. I mean, like for, I'll just 1710 01:18:25.270 --> 01:18:27.380 give you an example. Like the text that, that Jake's 1711 01:18:27.399 --> 01:18:29.949 character sends me throughout the movie. 1712 01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:31.439 Yeah. 1713 01:18:31.479 --> 01:18:33.819 Where he keeps texting. Um, and that's my cameo in 1714 01:18:33.840 --> 01:18:37.500 the movie. He texts me. Yeah. Um, that was a 1715 01:18:37.520 --> 01:18:38.439 real DM I got. Yeah. 1716 01:18:40.460 --> 01:18:41.960 I was going to ask if that was the case, 1717 01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:42.800 if that happened. 1718 01:18:43.340 --> 01:18:45.300 Those that don't know, it's like his old friend hitting

1719 01:18:45.340 --> 01:18:47.489 up Clark Duke, who's now a big deal on Instagram, 1720 01:18:47.569 --> 01:18:49.939 asking him for a hundred bucks and then leaving him out. 1721 01:18:50.300 --> 01:18:53.159 on read and all of the emotional baggage that comes 1722 01:18:53.180 --> 01:18:55.310 with being left on read and then sending a follow up, 1723 01:18:55.340 --> 01:18:57.220 like way to, way to watch out for your homeboys, 1724 01:18:57.260 --> 01:18:57.819 you know, whatever. 1725 01:18:57.840 --> 01:18:57.920 Yeah. 1726 01:18:58.539 --> 01:19:00.500 That's, that's, that's an interesting. 1727 01:19:00.680 --> 01:19:02.800 Well, it wasn't a friend. It was a total stranger. Oh, okay. 1728 01:19:02.819 --> 01:19:03.779 Well, that's a little different. 1729 01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:06.779 He was, It's a total stranger asking someone that he 1730 01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:08.979 follows on Instagram, like a celebrity. 1731 01:19:09.119 --> 01:19:11.659 Now, within the context of the movie, Clark, is it 1732 01:19:11.699 --> 01:19:14.100 a total stranger? Or does that character know Clark Duke? 1733 01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:15.739 Or is he a stranger to. 1734 01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:16.460 You, too, in the movie? 1735 01:19:17.180 --> 01:19:18.170 He's a stranger to me, too. 1736 01:19:18.199 --> 01:19:20.130 Oh, okay. I didn't get that. Got it. Okay. 1737 01:19:20.510 --> 01:19:22.810 Well, then that's a failure on my part as a filmmaker. 1738 01:19:22.970 --> 01:19:23.850 That should be more clear. 1739 01:19:24.010 --> 01:19:27.869 It's just as interesting. I got it. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. 1740 01:19:27.890 --> 01:19:32.340 I am not the A-B test group here. But yeah. 1741 01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:34.460 But that's not the audience. I mean, you know, I want, 1742 01:19:34.779 --> 01:19:39.739 you know, it's interesting because, you know, back to the 1743 01:19:39.779 --> 01:19:41.539 kind of Arkansas and the middle of the country in 1744 01:19:41.560 --> 01:19:44.619 general being like an underserved audience. I even kind of 1745 01:19:44.649 --> 01:19:48.350 felt that way about, you know, like it's like I 1746 01:19:48.390 --> 01:19:52.250 was I was torn about the not being in a 1747 01:19:52.310 --> 01:19:54.989 theatrical release thing. And you know, I like, I mean, 1748 01:19:55.010 --> 01:19:57.250 first of all, I had, that's an aspect of this 1749 01:19:57.390 --> 01:19:59.989 process that I have zero control over, by the way, 1750 01:20:00.380 --> 01:20:03.659 you know, who like, because we had, we had other offers, um, 1751 01:20:04.020 --> 01:20:06.100 that would have involved theatrical, but they were for less money. 1752 01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:08.100 You know, the, the quiver, the company that bought it 1753 01:20:08.680 --> 01:20:11.699 made the best offer. And so that was who the 1754 01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:15.149 financiers went with. And I have zero power over that, 1755 01:20:15.689 --> 01:20:18.210 but you know, the more I thought about it, um, 1756 01:20:19.859 --> 01:20:22.449 I kind of feel like that's where the audience for 1757 01:20:22.470 --> 01:20:26.989 this movie is anyway, because, you know, for me, like, 1758 01:20:27.149 --> 01:20:30.829 like being in Glenwood, Arkansas in the nineties, all my 1759 01:20:30.930 --> 01:20:36.180 formative movie going experiences are VHS rentals. Like, like watching, 1760 01:20:36.500 --> 01:20:38.619 you know, like boogie nights when I was 12 years old, 1761 01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:40.180 like my mom just told the guy at the video store, 1762 01:20:40.220 --> 01:20:42.979 like let him rent whatever he wants. So like, I 1763 01:20:43.020 --> 01:20:46.479 just watched like all those Miramax movies, you know, all 1764 01:20:46.579 --> 01:20:49.460 like Soderbergh and, you know, just all that shit when 1765 01:20:49.500 --> 01:20:53.659 I was like, like 13. And, you know, when I 1766 01:20:53.729 --> 01:20:56.149 moved to LA and especially when I lived in Hollywood 1767 01:20:56.170 --> 01:20:57.750 and the Arclight was open and there was this like, 1768 01:20:57.949 --> 01:21:00.069 there was this like golden few years there where there was, 1769 01:21:00.710 --> 01:21:04.369 you had the Arclight and there was also a pipeline 1770 01:21:04.529 --> 01:21:06.949 of really interesting indie films to go to all the time. 1771 01:21:07.449 --> 01:21:09.979 I mean, now, you know, the Arclight closed, most of 1772 01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:13.329 the theaters in LA, like, I mean, there's a resurgence 1773 01:21:13.369 --> 01:21:15.489 now of like rep theaters. 1774 01:21:15.510 --> 01:21:17.949 Hold on, hold on, hold on. The Arclight closed? 1775 01:21:19.649 --> 01:21:21.350 Oh, like week, day one of COVID. 1776 01:21:21.489 --> 01:21:23.560 Yeah. Like it hasn't reopened? 1777 01:21:25.000 --> 01:21:25.220 No. 1778 01:21:25.520 --> 01:21:29.220 Sony finally bought it the other, or maybe they're leasing it, 1779 01:21:29.279 --> 01:21:32.140 the Dome. They're going to reopen it as the Alamo Drafthouse. 1780 01:21:32.579 --> 01:21:35.039 But I mean, it's been closed for six years, over 1781 01:21:35.060 --> 01:21:40.270 six years. But, you know, apart from like, that part 1782 01:21:40.289 --> 01:21:41.949 of my life when I lived in Hollywood and would, 1783 01:21:42.069 --> 01:21:43.449 I would go to Arclight like three or four nights 1784 01:21:43.489 --> 01:21:46.689 a week. But other than that, you know, the really 1785 01:21:46.750 --> 01:21:50.310 like formative movie going or movie watching experiences of my 1786 01:21:50.350 --> 01:21:53.340 life were on, on TV and on video. And, um, 1787 01:21:54.699 --> 01:21:57.159 you know, my hope is that, that, and I know 1788 01:21:57.199 --> 01:21:58.819 this will be the case. I think this will be 1789 01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:03.520 the case because I know, you know, even for Arkansas, well, Arkansas, 1790 01:22:03.539 --> 01:22:05.560 the movie was a bizarre thing because like it

literally 1791 01:22:05.640 --> 01:22:08.380 was supposed to be released and then COVID happened. So 1792 01:22:08.420 --> 01:22:09.579 we were kind of, and it was going to be 1793 01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:12.600 a theatrical film. Um, and then it was sort of 1794 01:22:12.649 --> 01:22:15.289 like the, I mean, there was like that period where 1795 01:22:15.310 --> 01:22:17.069 it was literally just us and Sonic the Hedgehog. Those 1796 01:22:17.090 --> 01:22:18.970 are like the only movies you could buy. You know, 1797 01:22:19.010 --> 01:22:22.189 this is like, this is like before everything, you know, it's, 1798 01:22:22.250 --> 01:22:24.340 it's hard to imagine that it's so different like five 1799 01:22:24.380 --> 01:22:28.800 years later, but, um, yeah. So we were like this 1800 01:22:28.859 --> 01:22:32.520 weird test case for, you know, uh, kind of straight to, 1801 01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:36.380 I mean, there's always been like straight to video movies, but, um, Yeah, 1802 01:22:36.399 --> 01:22:39.880 for straight to digital releases. So I don't know, like even, 1803 01:22:40.159 --> 01:22:43.279 you know, sort of the release of this, I'm hopeful, 1804 01:22:43.380 --> 01:22:45.770 like would I like prefer it to be, you know, 1805 01:22:45.859 --> 01:22:48.159 in theaters everywhere? Of course I would. But there's also 1806 01:22:48.239 --> 01:22:50.689 part of me that recognizes, I don't know if there's 1807 01:22:50.989 --> 01:22:52.850 a lot of value in the movie coming out in 1808 01:22:52.890 --> 01:22:56.390 like 10 to 100 theaters and making like $ 100. Right, right. 1809 01:22:57.909 --> 01:23:00.970 Like you might as well just spend your marketing and go, 1810 01:23:02.109 --> 01:23:04.609 you know, where I think the audience for this movie 1811 01:23:04.630 --> 01:23:08.640 probably is, which is- Hopefully, I mean, not exclusively, but, 1812 01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:11.720 you know, my goal is with both these movies so 1813 01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:14.119 far has been to make a movie about the place 1814 01:23:14.180 --> 01:23:19.050 that was also, you know, not like glazing them and 1815 01:23:19.109 --> 01:23:21.010 not like trashing them. Like, I mean, I want to 1816 01:23:21.529 --> 01:23:23.590 it's like laughing with them, not at them, because it's, 1817 01:23:23.890 --> 01:23:25.949 you know, it's me. I'm from there. I mean, it's 1818 01:23:26.090 --> 01:23:28.630 I don't want to I don't want to glorify or 1819 01:23:28.989 --> 01:23:32.159 trash the place. And I feel like that's usually I mean, 1820 01:23:32.180 --> 01:23:34.229 you know, the portrayal of the South in film is is. 1821 01:23:34.979 --> 01:23:36.170 always fucking terrible. 1822 01:23:36.390 --> 01:23:36.630 Yes. 1823 01:23:36.729 --> 01:23:40.569 It's always belittling and insulting and like, and condescending. And 1824 01:23:40.649 --> 01:23:43.189 cause that's how most of the country feels about the South. 1825 01:23:43.310 --> 01:23:46.550 And that just is

what it is. Um, so yeah, 1826 01:23:46.590 --> 01:23:49.789 my goal is to, to show as much, you know, 1827 01:23:50.130 --> 01:23:54.510 nuance for good and ill about the people in the place, um, 1828 01:23:54.789 --> 01:23:55.510 with both the movies. 1829 01:23:57.399 --> 01:24:00.260 It's tremendous. And it comes across honestly. 1830 01:24:00.619 --> 01:24:04.140 Um, I'm, uh, and that has been my Ted talk. 1831 01:24:08.819 --> 01:24:14.729 I want to ask one question that one production question 1832 01:24:14.770 --> 01:24:18.369 that I, I, I wish I'd been there on the 1833 01:24:18.430 --> 01:24:20.470 day that you did it because I would love to 1834 01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:25.479 have watched it. It's the, it's the shot. Where Bailey 1835 01:24:26.609 --> 01:24:28.489 comes into the strip club and it's this one shot 1836 01:24:28.710 --> 01:24:31.489 that just goes all over the place. And you meet everybody. 1837 01:24:32.109 --> 01:24:34.850 You meet everybody who's going to really impact the story. 1838 01:24:35.430 --> 01:24:42.130 And it's such a beautiful shot. And I don't know. 1839 01:24:42.149 --> 01:24:44.710 Just tell me about it. I need to know everything 1840 01:24:44.750 --> 01:24:47.409 about it. Why you chose it, why you designed it, 1841 01:24:47.520 --> 01:24:49.199 and what the process was like making it. 1842 01:24:50.930 --> 01:24:53.350 The process of making it is, you know, you rehearse 1843 01:24:53.390 --> 01:24:55.510 it and you block it and you rehearse it to death. 1844 01:24:55.569 --> 01:24:57.409 And then you just start shooting the rehearsals in case 1845 01:24:57.430 --> 01:25:00.850 you get lucky. And we did it seven or eight 1846 01:25:00.869 --> 01:25:03.829 times and got lucky. I mean, that was me. You know, 1847 01:25:03.850 --> 01:25:06.369 this is a small movie. It's mostly in one location. 1848 01:25:08.310 --> 01:25:11.189 But that was me wanting to, you know, to try 1849 01:25:11.229 --> 01:25:14.250 to do like the Paul Thomas Anderson or Scorsese steadicam shot. 1850 01:25:14.310 --> 01:25:18.529 Like to give the movie, you know, it's a small, 1851 01:25:19.010 --> 01:25:21.800 you know, kind of character movie. but I wanted to 1852 01:25:21.949 --> 01:25:26.600 have like a bigger feel. Um, and, and, you know, 1853 01:25:26.619 --> 01:25:28.260 that was, that was sort of my approach with Arkansas too, 1854 01:25:28.279 --> 01:25:30.880 because Arkansas is really just like people talking and it's 1855 01:25:30.939 --> 01:25:33.020 mostly only like two or three people at a time talking. 1856 01:25:33.039 --> 01:25:34.600 There's never even a bunch of people. It's literally, it's 1857 01:25:34.659 --> 01:25:38.479 usually like two people talking. Um, so my approach to 1858 01:25:38.520 --> 01:25:40.819 that was like my North star in Arkansas was, was 1859 01:25:40.899 --> 01:25:42.319 once upon a time in the West, like, and that 1860 01:25:42.340 --> 01:25:44.920 was the score. And that was like, like

the shooting 1861 01:25:44.979 --> 01:25:48.340 anamorphic and trying to just like kind of subconsciously give 1862 01:25:48.359 --> 01:25:52.029 you this sense of scope. Um, through the cinematography and 1863 01:25:52.050 --> 01:25:54.149 the score. Cause it's, it's a, it's a small story 1864 01:25:54.189 --> 01:25:58.729 about like three people or four people. And yeah. So the, 1865 01:25:58.770 --> 01:26:00.729 the steady cam shot in stranglehold is just, you know, 1866 01:26:00.850 --> 01:26:02.909 me trying to give the movie some, just some kind 1867 01:26:02.930 --> 01:26:05.149 of propulsion and production value up top just to make 1868 01:26:05.189 --> 01:26:08.720 it feel like, yeah, just, I mean, just like those 1869 01:26:08.760 --> 01:26:10.270 sequences I love in like boogie nights. 1870 01:26:10.760 --> 01:26:13.079 Yeah. Yeah. That's a great shot. 1871 01:26:13.100 --> 01:26:14.800 I know exactly shot you're meaning. And it put me 1872 01:26:14.859 --> 01:26:17.199 right in this, which I have always said this on cinema. 1873 01:26:17.239 --> 01:26:20.300 And I realized this about my movie, preferences because of 1874 01:26:20.340 --> 01:26:23.680 cinema is I love small box movies that, that only 1875 01:26:23.720 --> 01:26:26.279 have two or three locations. Like I am there for that. 1876 01:26:26.439 --> 01:26:29.399 Like once you go beyond that, I'm just like, this is, 1877 01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:31.699 this is goofy. Like stop trying so hard. 1878 01:26:31.899 --> 01:26:34.569 If you can, if you can make something like, if 1879 01:26:34.590 --> 01:26:36.970 you can make something interesting for 90 minutes to two 1880 01:26:37.010 --> 01:26:40.649 hours in a limited amount of locations, you've done, you've 1881 01:26:40.670 --> 01:26:41.550 worked a magic trick. 1882 01:26:42.109 --> 01:26:43.789 I have a shot at coming away from a movie 1883 01:26:43.810 --> 01:26:45.250 with what I want to come away from, which is 1884 01:26:45.390 --> 01:26:48.850 experiencing a world of, That I would never otherwise experience 1885 01:26:49.989 --> 01:26:52.649 in coming away feeling like I have some texture to 1886 01:26:52.689 --> 01:26:54.909 something that I haven't witnessed in my own– with my 1887 01:26:54.949 --> 01:26:57.359 own two eyes but I've seen represented particularly by someone 1888 01:26:57.380 --> 01:27:00.800 who knows Arkansas well. Now, does that strip club– is 1889 01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:03.159 that evocative for you, Clark? Did you spend some time 1890 01:27:03.199 --> 01:27:04.659 or strip club is a big thing down there? 1891 01:27:06.409 --> 01:27:08.529 Uh, not, not in the way that it is in 1892 01:27:08.630 --> 01:27:12.350 like Atlanta or, you know, something like that. Um, but there, 1893 01:27:12.600 --> 01:27:14.439 there were, there, there are a couple in hot Springs. 1894 01:27:14.529 --> 01:27:16.119 One of them we drive by and I have in, 1895 01:27:16.340 --> 01:27:18.140 in the first movie, uh, it's called centerfolds. 1896 01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:22.300 Um, Oh yeah. Yeah. Um, basically. 1897 01:27:22.359 --> 01:27:22.520 Yeah. 1898 01:27:22.579 --> 01:27:24.300 I mean, honestly, no, I don't think I've, I don't 1899 01:27:24.340 --> 01:27:26.100 think I've ever been in a strip club in Arkansas, 1900 01:27:26.119 --> 01:27:27.539 to be honest. I have been in a lot of 1901 01:27:27.560 --> 01:27:28.460 strip clubs, other places. 1902 01:27:28.840 --> 01:27:31.899 Oh yeah. Um, less you think less of Clark. Yeah. 1903 01:27:33.119 --> 01:27:33.420 Yeah. 1904 01:27:33.779 --> 01:27:35.800 No, that's great. Yeah. So I'll abandon that. 1905 01:27:35.819 --> 01:27:37.479 When I was in Arkansas, I was child, you know, 1906 01:27:37.560 --> 01:27:39.140 like when I would have, when I would have been 1907 01:27:39.180 --> 01:27:43.170 going to strip clubs, uh, my strip club going years were, were, 1908 01:27:43.310 --> 01:27:47.210 were not in Arkansas, but, um, you know, I think there's, 1909 01:27:47.310 --> 01:27:51.430 there's kind of a, I was really pleased when the, um, the, the, 1910 01:27:51.609 --> 01:27:53.770 the owner proprietor of the strip club that we were 1911 01:27:53.789 --> 01:27:58.270 filming at, uh, filming stranglehold in after we shot that 1912 01:27:58.350 --> 01:28:04.210 scene that ends with Justin Long's character saying to, uh, uh, Bailey, the, the, 1913 01:28:04.289 --> 01:28:06.810 the main character telling her, she said she, she needs 1914 01:28:06.850 --> 01:28:09.090 more money. And he said, and the scene ends with 1915 01:28:09.130 --> 01:28:11.149 him saying to her, if you want better tips, show 1916 01:28:11.180 --> 01:28:12.699 your asshole more. It ain't rocket science. 1917 01:28:12.819 --> 01:28:12.939 Yep. 1918 01:28:13.100 --> 01:28:13.800 And slams the door. 1919 01:28:13.819 --> 01:28:13.890 Yep. 1920 01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:18.180 After we, after I called cut after that scene, the 1921 01:28:18.300 --> 01:28:20.079 owner of the strip club come up to, he goes, dude, 1922 01:28:20.500 --> 01:28:22.979 that shit, that is the, that is so real. I'm, 1923 01:28:23.119 --> 01:28:25.140 I say that to these girls all the time. 1924 01:28:25.279 --> 01:28:30.630 Oh my God. That's so good, man. 1925 01:28:30.689 --> 01:28:33.060 That's such a thrill when someone, that's like for us, 1926 01:28:33.119 --> 01:28:35.560 like when we, we dive into some place that we 1927 01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:37.270 don't know the first thing about. And by the time 1928 01:28:37.279 --> 01:28:39.210 we're done, people are like, you kind of nailed it. 1929 01:28:39.210 --> 01:28:40.939 And it's like, that's such a weird feeling because it's 1930 01:28:40.979 --> 01:28:43.060 not like I've personally walked those hallways. 1931 01:28:43.140 --> 01:28:45.920 I mean you guys have done that so much with 1932 01:28:46.279 --> 01:28:48.149 the characters. Right. 1933 01:28:48.210 --> 01:28:48.310 Yeah. 1934 01:28:48.329 --> 01:28:49.939 When we

meet people in the business and they're like– 1935 01:28:50.050 --> 01:28:51.590 like who just told us this? Doug Williams in the 1936 01:28:51.649 --> 01:28:53.560 UK when we were out there. He's like, no, it's– 1937 01:28:53.909 --> 01:28:56.329 You nailed it on TNH. That's what it was like 1938 01:28:56.489 --> 01:28:58.189 to work there during that era. I'm like, how the 1939 01:28:58.229 --> 01:29:00.180 fuck did that happen? All we did was listen to 1940 01:29:00.189 --> 01:29:01.350 Hulk say, yaw, yaw, yaw, 300,000 times. 1941 01:29:01.380 --> 01:29:08.199 Yaw, yaw, yaw. Now, you mentioned, Clark, some mob adjacency. 1942 01:29:08.350 --> 01:29:09.510 Get the soundboard out. 1943 01:29:09.770 --> 01:29:14.789 You don't think we were ready with that shit? One, two, thranoli. 1944 01:29:14.909 --> 01:29:17.539 It's all here, man. Keep going, keep going. Double biz. 1945 01:29:17.710 --> 01:29:23.359 Keep going. Wrestling fans. Double biz. One, two, thranoli. 1946 01:29:24.659 --> 01:29:26.460 You get in. 1947 01:29:26.380 --> 01:29:27.760 That ass, man. 1948 01:29:27.939 --> 01:29:32.739 All right, all right, all right, all right, all right, 1949 01:29:32.819 --> 01:29:34.050 all right, all right. We're live. 1950 01:29:34.979 --> 01:29:36.159 We didn't make it to the gunshots. 1951 01:29:36.960 --> 01:29:39.060 You got hit him with a bomb. Thank you. 1952 01:29:40.079 --> 01:29:44.380 So, of course, you get into the mob adjacency of 1953 01:29:44.439 --> 01:29:46.319 any strip club and you mentioned your uncle a bit 1954 01:29:46.600 --> 01:29:47.300 or your grandfather. 1955 01:29:47.319 --> 01:29:47.779 Pardon. Yes. 1956 01:29:47.819 --> 01:29:49.539 Can you tell me more about that? I mean, was 1957 01:29:49.579 --> 01:29:53.430 he was he moving alcohol and prohibition? Was he moving 1958 01:29:53.850 --> 01:29:54.600 the good stuff? 1959 01:29:54.689 --> 01:29:55.310 What was he moving? 1960 01:29:57.029 --> 01:29:58.609 I actually don't want to get into too much because 1961 01:29:58.649 --> 01:30:01.390 I'm kind of thinking of writing something about it, literally 1962 01:30:01.409 --> 01:30:01.750 about it. 1963 01:30:03.609 --> 01:30:05.310 I was horrified I just asked you about a deep 1964 01:30:05.369 --> 01:30:06.390 family trauma, but okay. 1965 01:30:06.449 --> 01:30:07.670 All right. If that's the reason– No. 1966 01:30:08.609 --> 01:30:10.149 No, no, no. No, I brought it up. 1967 01:30:10.750 --> 01:30:11.149 Yeah, that's right. 1968 01:30:11.189 --> 01:30:14.789 No, I mean I will say it wasn't anything like– 1969 01:30:15.829 --> 01:30:18.510 the thing that I have in mind is more– would 1970 01:30:18.529 --> 01:30:21.720 be like extrapolating from it because the reality was probably 1971 01:30:22.109 --> 01:30:24.899 more mundane than I'm making it sound. 1972 01:30:24.920 --> 01:30:26.699 That's a good point about Arkansas too. It's like you 1973 01:30:26.939 --> 01:30:30.920 say like there's no multi-generation mob families

with all these 1974 01:30:30.979 --> 01:30:34.479 traditions and codes. It's just– You can just be a 1975 01:30:34.960 --> 01:30:38.800 run-of-the-mill Levi's-wearing guy and kind of be mob-adjacent down there. 1976 01:30:40.020 --> 01:30:42.579 It doesn't really– there's no fancy dinners. 1977 01:30:43.300 --> 01:30:46.979 So the city of Hot Springs actually has a really 1978 01:30:48.020 --> 01:30:51.340 storied like organized crime past. Because I mean like my– 1979 01:30:51.550 --> 01:30:54.550 a guy I'm friends with, David Hill, who's a journalist 1980 01:30:54.609 --> 01:30:57.189 for– I mean he's wrote for like Grantland and The 1981 01:30:57.250 --> 01:31:01.250 Ringer and a lot of magazine work too. He wrote 1982 01:31:01.270 --> 01:31:05.329 this great book called The Vapors. that's about the history 1983 01:31:05.350 --> 01:31:07.300 of Hot Springs as a town. And Hot Springs is 1984 01:31:07.340 --> 01:31:12.479 basically like a vacation town for the Chicago, Kansas City, 1985 01:31:12.520 --> 01:31:16.239 New Orleans mob. Like the big hotel– like the hotel 1986 01:31:16.260 --> 01:31:17.939 that I went to like my high school prom at, 1987 01:31:18.619 --> 01:31:19.920 Al Capone had like a suite at. 1988 01:31:20.119 --> 01:31:22.729 That's what I'm getting. That's it. 1989 01:31:23.619 --> 01:31:25.579 And basically, I mean the climax of his book, The 1990 01:31:25.619 --> 01:31:27.460 Vapors– and The Vapors is the name of a casino 1991 01:31:27.500 --> 01:31:32.819 that was downtown– is they were– the mob wanted Vegas 1992 01:31:32.859 --> 01:31:34.880 to be in hot Springs. Vegas was supposed to be 1993 01:31:34.899 --> 01:31:36.319 in hot Springs. Like they didn't want to go out 1994 01:31:36.340 --> 01:31:39.680 in the middle of fucking nowhere in Nevada. Um, they, 1995 01:31:40.010 --> 01:31:41.100 they want to be there in the middle of the 1996 01:31:41.149 --> 01:31:43.470 country and this, cause hot Springs is really beautiful. Like, 1997 01:31:43.489 --> 01:31:49.550 like scenic, like geographically scenically. And yeah, it's a great 1998 01:31:49.569 --> 01:31:51.109 book that everybody wants to pick it up. Like, cause 1999 01:31:51.289 --> 01:31:55.359 so there actually is like this weird, um, like organized 2000 01:31:55.420 --> 01:31:57.880 crime backstory to, to hot springs. 2001 01:31:57.899 --> 01:31:59.380 I had no idea, but I was picking up in 2002 01:31:59.420 --> 01:32:01.600 the movies. I'm like, he's, there's something here, you know, 2003 01:32:01.619 --> 01:32:03.979 there's something like true about this. He's not just trying 2004 01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:07.460 to drop a, a Nevada mob story into Arkansas. Like 2005 01:32:07.479 --> 01:32:10.920 this is in, this is in the, in the Philippines. Yeah. 2006 01:32:10.979 --> 01:32:14.279 Downtown hot springs has like the, the, the gangster museum 2007 01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:17.359 and all this like a like kitschy kind of, you know, 2008 01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:20.119 photo op stuff. You can walk around. Wow. 2009 01:32:20.390 --> 01:32:20.930 That's crazy. 2010 01:32:22.159 --> 01:32:22.270 Yeah. 2011 01:32:22.279 --> 01:32:26.229 All right. Well, listen, we've been here for a while. 2012 01:32:26.590 --> 01:32:27.569 I don't want to take up too much more of 2013 01:32:27.590 --> 01:32:29.229 your time. So I just want to say, thank you 2014 01:32:29.250 --> 01:32:29.409 so much. 2015 01:32:29.430 --> 01:32:31.210 I don't even know if we, did we ever tell 2016 01:32:31.229 --> 01:32:35.130 the listeners like really what, like, uh, like that the movie, 2017 01:32:35.149 --> 01:32:37.010 did we mention the movie being out? Like that they 2018 01:32:37.029 --> 01:32:37.949 can watch? I think we did. 2019 01:32:37.970 --> 01:32:39.789 I did at the top of the show. I did talk, 2020 01:32:39.829 --> 01:32:41.250 I did say at the top of the show, but yeah, 2021 01:32:41.270 --> 01:32:43.350 go ahead. Plug the movie one more time. Cause I 2022 01:32:43.369 --> 01:32:44.100 want people to go see it. 2023 01:32:46.130 --> 01:32:52.600 Stranglehold available on demand on digital Friday, October 2nd. 2024 01:32:53.239 --> 01:32:55.159 God, he hits us with that, JP, and now I 2025 01:32:55.180 --> 01:32:55.960 feel like the bad guy. 2026 01:32:55.979 --> 01:33:01.359 How is that fair? We're always the bad guys. 2027 01:33:02.300 --> 01:33:06.060 The great Ron Perlman. Ron Perlman really, really, yeah, he 2028 01:33:06.079 --> 01:33:07.199 really pours it on in this one. 2029 01:33:07.539 --> 01:33:11.000 I'm, I'm, I have, I have some, I did interact 2030 01:33:11.039 --> 01:33:13.640 quite a bit with him as if you watch the movie, 2031 01:33:13.699 --> 01:33:17.000 I'm not going to share these stories now, but I 2032 01:33:17.039 --> 01:33:19.460 have a funny feeling that this movie will be on, 2033 01:33:20.039 --> 01:33:23.310 will be under the Cinemat sooner than later. That's just, 2034 01:33:24.029 --> 01:33:28.210 that's just my, my foresight here. And hopefully you can come. 2035 01:33:28.229 --> 01:33:30.869 Let me just say it's, it's true. I felt a 2036 01:33:30.899 --> 01:33:33.779 lot of pressure because I know people are only going 2037 01:33:33.800 --> 01:33:35.960 to think I love the movie because Clark is a 2038 01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:38.930 solar system member and that does give him a leg up, 2039 01:33:39.359 --> 01:33:43.579 but I kind of like adored the movie. I was like, yeah, 2040 01:33:44.479 --> 01:33:46.199 because you got me with the Christmas to start with, 2041 01:33:46.260 --> 01:33:48.279 but it's like, and then what I love is it's not, 2042 01:33:48.989 --> 01:33:51.430 It's not like those WWE films where like it's– there's 2043 01:33:51.449 --> 01:33:55.079 some ornaments in the background and that's just like trying 2044 01:33:55.100 --> 01:33:57.600 to get an ABC family or whatever the fuck. It 2045 01:33:57.640 --> 01:34:00.539 was like– no, this actually is a wonderful time to 2046 01:34:00.579 --> 01:34:02.779 tell the story. I even texted you, JP. I'm like, 2047 01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:03.979 who's the director? 2048 01:34:04.010 --> 01:34:07.050 It's Shane Black who talked about how evocative setting a 2049 01:34:07.069 --> 01:34:10.289 movie on Christmas can be and how it just– It heightens. 2050 01:34:10.510 --> 01:34:13.569 It heightens. It does. Yes. It does. 2051 01:34:13.609 --> 01:34:13.770 Yes. 2052 01:34:13.909 --> 01:34:16.140 It's the one time of year that you would get 2053 01:34:16.189 --> 01:34:20.630 drunk and think about robbing– because you're because you're. 2054 01:34:20.510 --> 01:34:22.989 Taking stock of like where you're at and like yeah 2055 01:34:23.109 --> 01:34:25.260 you're so in your if you're in these characters positions 2056 01:34:25.319 --> 01:34:27.359 it's so much easier to find yourself thinking like man 2057 01:34:27.380 --> 01:34:29.460 i gotta make a move here like you know i 2058 01:34:29.640 --> 01:34:32.880 i cannot grow old in salem's lot as eminem once 2059 01:34:32.920 --> 01:34:38.159 said and it's fucking great so uh highest recommendation and 2060 01:34:38.180 --> 01:34:40.479 of course he's done the right thing uh. 2061 01:34:40.090 --> 01:34:42.270 But i'll say joining us i'll say too you know 2062 01:34:42.310 --> 01:34:45.079 honestly as Of course, I feel pressure to like it 2063 01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:47.800 as well, but I genuinely enjoyed it as well. I 2064 01:34:47.899 --> 01:34:50.979 genuinely enjoyed it. Like it was, it was, it truly is. 2065 01:34:52.039 --> 01:34:54.020 It's on my list. It's on my list. I mean, 2066 01:34:54.039 --> 01:34:56.640 it was, it was going to be anyway, but it's 2067 01:34:56.680 --> 01:34:59.520 on my list now every year for my Christmas movie list. 2068 01:34:59.979 --> 01:35:03.550 And it'll be, it'll be. Solar system hit all the reviews. 2069 01:35:03.600 --> 01:35:06.710 You can let the people know because when someone smiles 2070 01:35:06.789 --> 01:35:09.090 upon the solar system, we smile back at them. This 2071 01:35:09.130 --> 01:35:10.130 is America after all. 2072 01:35:10.310 --> 01:35:10.930 You're damn right. 2073 01:35:11.310 --> 01:35:11.529 Amen. 2074 01:35:12.399 --> 01:35:13.810 Clark, thank you so much for joining us. 2075 01:35:15.229 --> 01:35:19.649 An absolute pleasure. This is the, yeah, I already know 2076 01:35:19.670 --> 01:35:21.649 this is the high point of all the press tour. 2077 01:35:22.590 --> 01:35:27.119 This is a production of the Labs Entertainment Group. Its 2078 01:35:27.159 --> 01:35:29.460 content is intended for private use only.