Full Transcript for #26 - Making the Grade: Don’t Try Too Hard

00:03:18,509 --> 00:03:19,389 And once again, 82 00:03:19,410 --> 00:03:21,820 all you have to do is interact with us in some way, 83 00:03:21,830 --> 00:03:22,619 shape or form. 84 00:03:22,630 --> 00:03:24,839 If you want to be on the podcast yourself, 85 00:03:24,850 --> 00:03:31,059 let's get to the beef from Omaha Nebraska to whatever lane you're driving. 86 00:03:31,229 --> 00:03:34,039 This is the H and M Trucking podcast. 87 00:03:35,229 --> 00:03:49,080 Your host Marcus Bridges Trucking podcast is safety manager Dean Evans to talk a little bit about managing mountain passes. 88 00:03:49,089 --> 00:03:49,559 Dean, 89 00:03:49,570 --> 00:03:50,839 thanks so much for being here. 90 00:03:51,130 --> 00:03:52,059 Happy to be here. 91 00:03:52,070 --> 00:03:53,020 Thanks for having me, 92 00:03:53,229 --> 00:03:53,679 Dean. 93 00:03:53,690 --> 00:04:03,179 If you could give me one real standout thing from a safety perspective that drivers should always have in the back of their mind when it comes to mountain passes, 94 00:04:03,190 --> 00:04:04,779 regardless of weather. 95 00:04:04,809 --> 00:04:05,839 What would it be? 96 00:04:05,979 --> 00:04:07,919 I would say more than anything, 97 00:04:07,929 --> 00:04:07,940 uh, 98 00:04:07,949 --> 00:04:13,940 reduce your speed and leave some extra space between you and the other vehicles on the road. 99 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:15,520 I think that's a great one. 100 00:04:15,529 --> 00:04:15,710 I, 101 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:16,089 you know, 102 00:04:16,100 --> 00:04:19,670 it doesn't take much of a downgrade to make £80,000. 103 00:04:19,679 --> 00:04:22,049 Probably feel like half a million pounds. 104 00:04:22,059 --> 00:04:22,089 I, 105 00:04:22,100 --> 00:04:23,440 I would guess anyway, 106 00:04:23,450 --> 00:04:26,380 I've never had that much strap to my back, 107 00:04:26,470 --> 00:04:30,940 but I have been next to some trucks going down some pretty steep downgrades. 108 00:04:31,149 --> 00:04:32,929 And I'll be honest with you, 109 00:04:32,940 --> 00:04:35,070 it looks terrifying to me when I watch it happen. 110 00:04:35,489 --> 00:04:35,750 Yeah, 111 00:04:35,779 --> 00:04:37,459 gravity is a pretty basic thing. 112 00:04:37,470 --> 00:04:38,980 It affects everything so, 113 00:04:39,049 --> 00:04:40,220 be ready for it. 114 00:04:40,269 --> 00:04:40,529 Yeah, 115 00:04:40,540 --> 00:04:41,459 for sure. 116 00:04:41,470 --> 00:04:41,739 And, 117 00:04:41,750 --> 00:04:41,760 uh, 118 00:04:41,769 --> 00:04:43,179 the other thing that I've noticed too, 119 00:04:43,190 --> 00:04:46,929 going down some of these grades is you start to smell brakes, 120 00:04:46,940 --> 00:04:51,839 you start to smell the heat of some of the brakes of not only truck drivers but also, 121 00:04:51,850 --> 00:04:51,859 uh, 122 00:04:51,869 --> 00:04:58,015 drivers around you that have taken the grade way too quick and once those things go away, 123 00:04:58,135 --> 00:04:58,156 uh, 124 00:04:58,165 --> 00:04:59,776 it's nothing but a runaway truck. 125 00:04:59,786 --> 00:05:00,476 Ramp for, 126 00:05:00,485 --> 00:05:01,015 for you, 127 00:05:01,026 --> 00:05:01,316 ha. 128 00:05:01,325 --> 00:05:04,295 Have you had any experience with drivers needing to use, 129 00:05:04,305 --> 00:05:04,316 uh, 130 00:05:04,325 --> 00:05:06,526 a runaway ramp any time recently? 131 00:05:06,906 --> 00:05:07,335 No, 132 00:05:07,346 --> 00:05:07,915 I've actually, 133 00:05:07,925 --> 00:05:11,365 that's one thing I've never dealt with in my safety history or, 134 00:05:11,566 --> 00:05:11,885 uh, 135 00:05:11,895 --> 00:05:17,686 in my trucking career is I've never had to have a conversation with a driver that's had to use a safety ramp. 136 00:05:17,946 --> 00:05:18,596 That's good. 137 00:05:18,682 --> 00:05:18,712 I, 138 00:05:18,721 --> 00:05:20,631 I think that that's probably, 139 00:05:20,641 --> 00:05:20,652 uh, 140 00:05:20,661 --> 00:05:23,041 something you hold on to with some pride, 141 00:05:23,052 --> 00:05:23,062 uh, 142 00:05:23,071 --> 00:05:24,191 until it happens. 143 00:05:24,201 --> 00:05:24,421 Yeah, 144 00:05:24,691 --> 00:05:25,671 I think so. 145 00:05:25,861 --> 00:05:26,252 You know, 146 00:05:26,261 --> 00:05:29,261 11 of the criteria is as we know it here at, 147 00:05:29,272 --> 00:05:34,812 uh H and M we're looking for somebody that's got at least two years of driving experience. 148 00:05:34,911 --> 00:05:35,872 I think, 149 00:05:35,881 --> 00:05:36,252 you know, 150 00:05:36,261 --> 00:05:40,321 your more 10 year drivers tend to have that knowledge already that, 151 00:05:40,592 --> 00:05:40,932 you know, 152 00:05:40,941 --> 00:05:43,231 how to use your brakes and not overuse them. 153 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,179 So hopefully, 154 00:05:45,190 --> 00:05:45,320 uh, 155 00:05:45,329 --> 00:05:49,339 just experiencing itself is enough to have kept us out of that, 156 00:05:49,529 --> 00:05:53,500 that situation and what type of things on the pre tripp. 157 00:05:53,510 --> 00:05:53,519 Uh, 158 00:05:53,529 --> 00:05:56,019 can we be aware of or, 159 00:05:56,029 --> 00:05:59,579 or things that we can double check on the pre tripp that'll help us in, 160 00:05:59,589 --> 00:06:01,000 in mountain passes driving? 161 00:06:01,410 --> 00:06:01,549 Well, 162 00:06:01,559 --> 00:06:03,760 obviously you wanna make sure that, 163 00:06:03,769 --> 00:06:03,790 uh, 164 00:06:04,130 --> 00:06:04,440 your, 165 00:06:04,450 --> 00:06:07,309 your tires are all properly inflated. 166 00:06:07,329 --> 00:06:10,239 You want to make sure that your brakes are in good condition. 167 00:06:10,250 --> 00:06:11,600 You don't have any air leaks, 168 00:06:11,609 --> 00:06:14,059 probably something that's a little less common, 169 00:06:14,070 --> 00:06:15,940 but want to make sure that, 170 00:06:15,950 --> 00:06:16,079 you know, 171 00:06:16,089 --> 00:06:20,790 depending on the weather that your windshield's clear and you got plenty of washer

fluid, 172 00:06:21,209 --> 00:06:21,220 uh, 173 00:06:21,230 --> 00:06:21,779 you know, 174 00:06:21,790 --> 00:06:24,679 to make sure that you still have that visibility out the front. 175 00:06:25,209 --> 00:06:26,140 Absolutely. 176 00:06:26,149 --> 00:06:27,920 And especially in places that put, 177 00:06:27,929 --> 00:06:27,940 uh, 178 00:06:27,950 --> 00:06:30,220 any kind of deicing chemical on the road. 179 00:06:30,230 --> 00:06:31,260 I've noticed that, 180 00:06:31,459 --> 00:06:31,470 uh, 181 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:41,529 windshield wiper fluid all of a sudden becomes a necessity because that stuff gets on your windshield and maybe you get rained on a little bit and you're just rubbing it back and forth with your windshield wipers. 182 00:06:41,540 --> 00:06:46,839 It's not too long until you've got this really weird film across the outside of your windshield that, 183 00:06:47,029 --> 00:06:47,040 uh, 184 00:06:47,049 --> 00:06:49,109 it almost kind of reflects the sunlight. 185 00:06:49,119 --> 00:06:50,540 It's really hard to see through. 186 00:06:50,850 --> 00:06:51,570 Correct. 187 00:06:51,579 --> 00:06:51,619 Yeah, 188 00:06:51,630 --> 00:06:52,239 it just, 189 00:06:52,250 --> 00:06:53,980 it kind of amplifies it, 190 00:06:53,989 --> 00:06:59,980 sunlight so it's harder for your eyes to adjust and make sure you're still visible. 191 00:07:00,339 --> 00:07:01,540 It's funny to me, 192 00:07:01,549 --> 00:07:01,559 I, 193 00:07:01,570 --> 00:07:06,470 I guess funny is probably a bad word but it's interesting to me to think about these things because, 194 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:07,209 you know, 195 00:07:07,220 --> 00:07:10,769 there's so many people that just get in their rig and fire it up and off, 196 00:07:10,779 --> 00:07:17,309 they go without ever thinking about anything safety related other than maybe buckling their seatbelt and using a blinker. 197 00:07:17,519 --> 00:07:23,279 But there's way more that goes into it when you've got so much weight on your back and when you're driving such a big rig, 198 00:07:23,290 --> 00:07:25,269 especially when it comes to mountains. 199 00:07:25,279 --> 00:07:25,790 And I, 200 00:07:25,799 --> 00:07:26,019 I, 201 00:07:26,029 --> 00:07:26,529 you know, 202 00:07:26,540 --> 00:07:28,500 people are going to hear this episode in, 203 00:07:28,510 --> 00:07:30,720 in August or the first week of September and they're gonna think, 204 00:07:30,730 --> 00:07:32,500 why are we talking about this already? 205 00:07:32,839 --> 00:07:38,940 I think that's part of the reason we're bringing this up so early is because you should start thinking about it. 206 00:07:38,950 --> 00:07:39,170 Right. 207 00:07:39,179 --> 00:07:41,880 You should be thinking about it even in the best of weather. 208 00:07:41,890 --> 00:07:43,359 But as the weather starts to turn, 209 00:07:43,369 --> 00:07:45,540 it's got to be real front of mind awareness. 210 00:07:46,170 --> 00:07:47,049 Exactly. 211 00:07:47,239 --> 00:07:47,619 You know, 212 00:07:47,630 --> 00:07:49,329 the one thing to know is, 213 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:49,880 you know, 214 00:07:49,890 --> 00:07:50,220 with, 215 00:07:50,470 --> 00:07:50,869 you know, 216 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,059 in some states like Colorado, 217 00:07:53,459 --> 00:07:53,480 uh, 218 00:07:53,489 --> 00:07:55,119 and that they have, 219 00:07:55,130 --> 00:07:55,369 you know, 220 00:07:55,380 --> 00:07:57,459 chain laws that go into effect, 221 00:07:57,470 --> 00:07:57,820 you know, 222 00:07:57,829 --> 00:07:59,470 and you need to be aware of those things, 223 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,709 making sure that you have the proper equipment. 224 00:08:02,149 --> 00:08:02,470 Um, 225 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:03,070 and you know, 226 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:05,000 and when you're in those mountain passes, 227 00:08:05,399 --> 00:08:09,369 it's not uncommon for it to snow in September, 228 00:08:09,380 --> 00:08:10,769 October where it may, 229 00:08:10,779 --> 00:08:11,000 you know, 230 00:08:11,010 --> 00:08:15,130 where it may not in some of the lowlands places you're used to traveling. 231 00:08:15,299 --> 00:08:16,070 Sure. 232 00:08:16,299 --> 00:08:16,769 Well, 233 00:08:16,779 --> 00:08:17,809 I would like to, 234 00:08:17,820 --> 00:08:18,059 you know, 235 00:08:18,070 --> 00:08:21,350 I don't know how many four wheelers there are that listen to this podcast, 236 00:08:21,434 --> 00:08:23,204 but every now and then I feel like it's, 237 00:08:23,214 --> 00:08:25,704 it should be my job to kind of address them. 238 00:08:25,804 --> 00:08:27,804 It's something that four wheelers can be looking for. 239 00:08:27,815 --> 00:08:29,234 You mentioned tire chains. 240 00:08:29,244 --> 00:08:32,905 If you've got a driver pulled over on the side of the road and he's chaining up, 241 00:08:32,914 --> 00:08:35,695 there's a lot of passes that have nice chain up areas, 242 00:08:35,705 --> 00:08:40,924 there's plenty of room on the shoulder and then there's also those passes that don't have anything for room. 243 00:08:40,934 --> 00:08:47,094 It's a very narrow shoulder and you're working with a really big piece of equipment trying to get those chains on as, 244 00:08:47,104 --> 00:08:49,625 as fast and as safely as you can. 245 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,130 If you're a four wheeler out there, 246 00:08:51,140 --> 00:08:52,830 pull over and give them some room. 247 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,479 It's something I don't see. 248 00:08:54,599 --> 00:08:54,609 Uh, 249 00:08:54,619 --> 00:08:57,289 as many drivers do as I would like to just, 250 00:08:57,299 --> 00:08:57,640 you know, 251 00:08:57,650 --> 00:09:01,500 even if you got to stay in the passing lane for a couple of minutes and you're not driving, 252 00:09:01,710 --> 00:09:01,919 uh, 253 00:09:01,929 --> 00:09:03,080 at the speed of light. 254 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:04,010 That's ok. 255 00:09:04,020 --> 00:09:10,489 You'd probably rather hold up traffic in the left

lane for the time and it takes you to pass by a parked big rig, 256 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:13,710 then accidentally clip a driver or something like that. 257 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:14,690 Exactly. 258 00:09:14,700 --> 00:09:14,929 I mean, 259 00:09:14,940 --> 00:09:15,210 that, 260 00:09:15,219 --> 00:09:20,150 that rule should just be any time there's a vehicle in the right lane, 261 00:09:20,159 --> 00:09:25,229 whether it's broken down or somebody's putting chains on or they're doing something, 262 00:09:25,580 --> 00:09:25,690 uh, 263 00:09:25,700 --> 00:09:27,210 emergency vehicle. 264 00:09:27,219 --> 00:09:28,770 If there's something on the shoulder, 265 00:09:28,780 --> 00:09:30,299 you should always get over. 266 00:09:30,669 --> 00:09:30,859 You know, 267 00:09:30,869 --> 00:09:34,890 you may slow up the flow of traffic in the left lane a little bit, 268 00:09:34,900 --> 00:09:40,520 but the potential danger of being in that right lane striking somebody is, 269 00:09:40,530 --> 00:09:42,520 is too intense to, 270 00:09:42,530 --> 00:09:42,539 uh, 271 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:43,520 to ignore. 272 00:09:43,690 --> 00:09:44,890 Absolutely, 273 00:09:44,900 --> 00:09:45,450 Dean. 274 00:09:45,460 --> 00:09:47,020 We always love having you on. 275 00:09:47,030 --> 00:09:47,039 Uh, 276 00:09:47,049 --> 00:09:48,049 you know what, 277 00:09:48,059 --> 00:09:49,179 whenever I talk to you, 278 00:09:49,190 --> 00:09:54,200 I feel like I'm gonna leave the conversation a more safe driver and I really appreciate that. 279 00:09:54,210 --> 00:09:55,799 Thank you so much for your time today. 280 00:09:55,809 --> 00:09:58,140 And we'll be sure to have you on again soon. 281 00:09:58,530 --> 00:09:59,520 You bet Marcus. 282 00:09:59,530 --> 00:10:02,260 And one thing to know I mentioned briefly, 283 00:10:02,270 --> 00:10:03,929 uh Colorado chain laws, 284 00:10:03,989 --> 00:10:07,559 those chain laws go into effect at September 1st. 285 00:10:07,570 --> 00:10:08,349 So that's, 286 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:08,909 you know, 287 00:10:08,919 --> 00:10:09,919 as we speak. 288 00:10:09,929 --> 00:10:10,599 That's right. 289 00:10:10,609 --> 00:10:12,080 That's right around the corner. 290 00:10:12,090 --> 00:10:13,780 As this message goes out, 291 00:10:14,010 --> 00:10:15,770 it'll already be in place. 292 00:10:15,780 --> 00:10:16,159 So, 293 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:16,880 you know, 294 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,210 be aware of those, 295 00:10:18,219 --> 00:10:24,440 those things are in place because that potential for bad weather is right around the corner. 296 00:10:24,450 --> 00:10:26,849 So be ready for it and you make me look good, 297 00:10:26,859 --> 00:10:27,119 Dean. 298 00:10:27,130 --> 00:10:28,409 When you say something like that, 299 00:10:28,419 --> 00:10:30,280 I'm right on time with this episode. 300 00:10:30,289 --> 00:10:31,179 Thank you so much, 301 00:10:31,190 --> 00:10:31,500 man. 302 00:10:31,510 --> 00:10:32,590 We'll talk to you soon, 303 00:10:32,799 --> 00:10:33,330 talk to you later. 304 00:10:33,340 --> 00:10:34,010 Bye bye bye, 305 00:10:35,010 --> 00:10:37,479 knowledge and stories from coast to coast. 306 00:10:37,489 --> 00:10:43,460 This is your driver profile time for one of my favorite parts of the show. 307 00:10:43,469 --> 00:10:47,059 We've got another driver profile hot and ready for you. 308 00:10:47,070 --> 00:10:48,820 He's been on the show with us before, 309 00:10:48,830 --> 00:10:49,840 but it's been a while. 310 00:10:49,849 --> 00:10:50,989 Please welcome back, 311 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,380 Scott Beal Scott. 312 00:10:52,390 --> 00:10:53,979 Thanks so much for joining us. 313 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,280 Thank you for making time for us. 314 00:10:56,289 --> 00:10:58,460 Drivers probably would make a, 315 00:10:58,469 --> 00:11:03,419 a difference in the way us drivers are perceived by the American. 316 00:11:04,830 --> 00:11:05,320 You know, 317 00:11:05,330 --> 00:11:06,669 I hope so. 318 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:07,250 Um I, 319 00:11:07,260 --> 00:11:16,140 I've had so much fun and I've learned so much talking to all the drivers that I've gotten to talk to both from H and M and beyond H and M, 320 00:11:16,150 --> 00:11:16,159 uh, 321 00:11:16,169 --> 00:11:18,700 just doing this podcast and, 322 00:11:18,710 --> 00:11:18,950 you know, 323 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,250 I've had some people around tell me they're like, 324 00:11:21,260 --> 00:11:24,599 you probably know more about trucking now than, 325 00:11:24,609 --> 00:11:30,130 than the average driver or the average person that actually takes an interest in trucking. 326 00:11:30,219 --> 00:11:32,719 And I have you guys to thank for that Scott. 327 00:11:32,729 --> 00:11:34,190 You've talked me so much. 328 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,789 I also feel like I'm less of a liability on the road driving around you guys. 329 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:39,229 Well, 330 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:40,280 thank you. 331 00:11:40,510 --> 00:11:41,539 That's our job. 332 00:11:41,710 --> 00:11:51,229 Do you feel like your job gets made harder on just on a day by day basis by people that don't respect what you're driving in and don't respect the, 333 00:11:51,239 --> 00:11:51,390 uh, 334 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:57,200 the skill and the preparation it takes to get it from point A to point B safely sometimes. 335 00:11:57,210 --> 00:11:57,690 Yes. 336 00:11:57,969 --> 00:11:59,539 In your bigger cities, 337 00:11:59,590 --> 00:11:59,989 they, 338 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:00,530 they're in a, 339 00:12:00,539 --> 00:12:05,489 such a big rush and they don't give us room, 340 00:12:05,500 --> 00:12:10,159 they cut in front of us and cuts our stopping time down. 341 00:12:10,250 --> 00:12:19,169 Most of us leaves a cushion between a vehicle in front of us and the vehicle to our left in another lane. 342 00:12:19,299 --> 00:12:21,619 We try to leave ourselves, 343 00:12:21,630 --> 00:12:21,690 uh, 344 00:12:21,719 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00:12:22,679 an ouch. 345 00:12:22,799 --> 00:12:23,750 That is, 346 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:23,780 uh, 347 00:12:23,789 --> 00:12:33,219 what we try to do and then people passing us on the right and they don't understand the dangers of passing us on the right. 348 00:12:33,409 --> 00:12:36,979 So I probably have brought that up before. 349 00:12:37,090 --> 00:12:37,570 Well, 350 00:12:37,580 --> 00:12:38,289 I hope so, 351 00:12:38,299 --> 00:12:38,729 Scott, 352 00:12:38,739 --> 00:12:41,690 because I don't feel like it's something that we should leave out. 353 00:12:41,700 --> 00:12:41,869 I, 354 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:41,909 I, 355 00:12:41,919 --> 00:12:42,650 you know, 356 00:12:42,849 --> 00:12:46,010 I don't know how many Four Wheelers are gonna listen to this podcast. 357 00:12:46,020 --> 00:12:47,260 I hope a bunch of them, 358 00:12:47,409 --> 00:12:47,419 uh, 359 00:12:47,429 --> 00:12:51,369 because I do feel like speaking to you drivers out there, 360 00:12:51,380 --> 00:12:53,099 you guys see this every day and, 361 00:12:53,109 --> 00:12:53,559 and what I, 362 00:12:53,570 --> 00:13:07,346 what I realize over time is that you're all dealing with the same stuff over and over and over again and it shouldn't be that hard to educate four wheelers and just make it a couple of ticks safer out there. 363 00:13:07,356 --> 00:13:07,546 You know, 364 00:13:07,556 --> 00:13:09,185 you think about, 365 00:13:09,195 --> 00:13:09,486 let's, 366 00:13:09,495 --> 00:13:10,666 let's use a percentage, 367 00:13:10,676 --> 00:13:14,226 let's say we could make it 2% safer out there on the road. 368 00:13:14,265 --> 00:13:15,976 How many lives would that save? 369 00:13:15,986 --> 00:13:16,846 How many injuries? 370 00:13:16,911 --> 00:13:17,682 How much money? 371 00:13:17,692 --> 00:13:18,101 I mean, 372 00:13:18,351 --> 00:13:18,861 there's, 373 00:13:18,872 --> 00:13:20,132 there's countless, 374 00:13:20,322 --> 00:13:20,331 uh, 375 00:13:20,361 --> 00:13:23,721 good aspects to being safer on the road and there's, 376 00:13:23,731 --> 00:13:26,512 there's very few if any to being less safe. 377 00:13:27,432 --> 00:13:29,611 Do you feel like there's anything that, 378 00:13:29,622 --> 00:13:30,682 that we should, 379 00:13:30,692 --> 00:13:30,702 uh, 380 00:13:30,711 --> 00:13:37,601 we should be doing each and every week on this podcast to try to help educate four wheelers other than what we already do, 381 00:13:37,611 --> 00:13:38,151 Scott. 382 00:13:38,601 --> 00:13:39,461 That's a question. 383 00:13:39,471 --> 00:13:40,921 It's kind of hard to answer. 384 00:13:40,932 --> 00:13:42,981 But I think they should, 385 00:13:43,101 --> 00:13:45,901 when people are getting their driver's license, 386 00:13:46,130 --> 00:13:50,809 some states has that on there about how to drive around, 387 00:13:51,020 --> 00:13:54,520 have some questions how to drive around on big trucks. 388 00:13:55,010 --> 00:13:55,039 Uh, 389 00:13:55,049 --> 00:13:58,869 they're trying to introduce speed limiters for us, 390 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:04,080 big trucks and speed limiters on the big trucks is not a solution. 391 00:14:04,929 --> 00:14:07,119 That is a worse problem. 392 00:14:07,130 --> 00:14:14,429 People are driving over 100 miles an hour in the cars and dodging in and out of traffic, 393 00:14:14,530 --> 00:14:16,280 you're just asking for trouble. 394 00:14:16,570 --> 00:14:16,830 Yeah, 395 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:17,940 I would think that, 396 00:14:17,950 --> 00:14:17,960 uh, 397 00:14:17,969 --> 00:14:19,789 limiting the speed of the trucks, 398 00:14:19,799 --> 00:14:23,070 not letting you guys move with the flow of traffic when you're able, 399 00:14:23,260 --> 00:14:23,270 uh, 400 00:14:23,289 --> 00:14:23,900 could, 401 00:14:23,909 --> 00:14:25,640 could cause a lot of problems. 402 00:14:25,650 --> 00:14:26,000 Um, 403 00:14:26,219 --> 00:14:29,460 so you're obviously against the implementation of a speed limiter. 404 00:14:29,469 --> 00:14:30,349 Do you know, 405 00:14:30,359 --> 00:14:33,549 are they trying to make this kind of a federal thing where it's, 406 00:14:33,559 --> 00:14:39,919 it's across the whole United States has the same law or is this a state by state thing that they're trying to implement? 407 00:14:40,090 --> 00:14:40,369 No, 408 00:14:40,380 --> 00:14:40,640 they're, 409 00:14:40,650 --> 00:14:41,599 it's trying to, 410 00:14:41,609 --> 00:14:42,799 they're trying to do it. 411 00:14:42,950 --> 00:14:50,320 FM CS A was trying to do it out of their office and that Congress so far congress has put a stop to it. 412 00:14:50,330 --> 00:14:51,010 Whoa, 413 00:14:51,020 --> 00:14:52,289 while we're not here, 414 00:14:52,669 --> 00:14:54,679 uh That's beyond your scope. 415 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,669 Uh You can't do that. 416 00:14:56,679 --> 00:14:57,599 So, 417 00:14:57,659 --> 00:15:00,250 so far congress has put a stop to it, 418 00:15:00,260 --> 00:15:03,640 but they're doing studies and stuff like that. 419 00:15:03,830 --> 00:15:09,099 So I have met with my congressman in Arkansas, 420 00:15:09,739 --> 00:15:10,809 French Hill. 421 00:15:11,109 --> 00:15:13,359 I went to his office while I was home, 422 00:15:13,369 --> 00:15:15,890 sat down and talked with the representative. 423 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,630 I think that's something that's often overlooked. 424 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:19,469 Scott in our, 425 00:15:19,479 --> 00:15:21,250 in our current political environment. 426 00:15:21,260 --> 00:15:21,429 You know, 427 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,690 a lot of people like to run right to the internet or post on Twitter and Facebook. 428 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:26,179 You know, 429 00:15:26,190 --> 00:15:31,690 all the things that they think are wrong with politics and with this politician or that politician. 430 00:15:31,700 --> 00:15:31,909 And, 431 00:15:32,250 --> 00:15:32,770 you know, 432 00:15:32,780 --> 00:15:34,500 when I was coming up through school,

433 00:15:34,510 --> 00:15:36,780 it was always call your congressman, 434 00:15:36,789 --> 00:15:38,039 call your representatives, 435 00:15:38,049 --> 00:15:39,099 their numbers are there. 436 00:15:39,109 --> 00:15:41,140 You can call them and leave them a message. 437 00:15:41,179 --> 00:15:43,059 You can uh write them letters, 438 00:15:43,070 --> 00:15:45,780 you can go in and actually sit down and talk to them. 439 00:15:45,859 --> 00:15:54,340 Do you feel like that's an effective way to kind of get past all the noise and get right into the ear and possibly spur some change? 440 00:15:54,719 --> 00:15:55,539 I think so. 441 00:15:56,090 --> 00:15:57,099 And I am, 442 00:15:57,109 --> 00:15:57,919 of course, 443 00:15:57,929 --> 00:16:00,940 a member of a lot of owner operators, 444 00:16:00,950 --> 00:16:01,919 Drivers, 445 00:16:02,570 --> 00:16:04,450 Independent Association. 446 00:16:04,989 --> 00:16:10,570 Uh I'm on my uh 35th year for Safe Driving award rider. 447 00:16:11,229 --> 00:16:12,780 And that's amazing. 448 00:16:12,789 --> 00:16:14,500 Congratulations on that. 449 00:16:15,020 --> 00:16:15,280 It, 450 00:16:15,289 --> 00:16:15,880 it, 451 00:16:15,929 --> 00:16:19,340 it takes work out here in the truck to uh, 452 00:16:19,349 --> 00:16:23,479 dodge incidents and a lot of people, 453 00:16:23,489 --> 00:16:27,369 especially cars don't understand that big trucks, 454 00:16:27,700 --> 00:16:35,679 I would say about 95 maybe 96% of big trucks has cameras in them. 455 00:16:35,690 --> 00:16:41,599 So they know what uh the companies that we work for or work with. 456 00:16:41,609 --> 00:16:46,539 They know what's going on out here and they can see for whether, 457 00:16:46,549 --> 00:16:46,799 oh, 458 00:16:46,809 --> 00:16:46,820 I, 459 00:16:46,830 --> 00:16:48,090 I did this, 460 00:16:48,099 --> 00:16:49,380 I didn't do that. 461 00:16:49,619 --> 00:16:51,320 Uh It's on camera, 462 00:16:51,359 --> 00:16:51,369 uh, 463 00:16:51,380 --> 00:16:56,789 black and white and tell us what the real story is now. 464 00:16:56,799 --> 00:16:58,229 Don't get me wrong. 465 00:16:58,239 --> 00:16:59,539 I'm not perfect. 466 00:16:59,549 --> 00:17:02,950 I'm not a perfect driver before I paint that picture. 467 00:17:02,979 --> 00:17:03,640 No, 468 00:17:03,679 --> 00:17:04,910 I'm a human being. 469 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,479 I make mistakes too and it tells that story also. 470 00:17:08,660 --> 00:17:09,239 So, 471 00:17:09,349 --> 00:17:10,760 and I think that it tells the, 472 00:17:10,770 --> 00:17:10,829 the, 473 00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:16,635 the larger story that it tells kind of zoomed out Scott is that nobody is a perfect driver. 474 00:17:16,645 --> 00:17:20,704 Even someone that's got a 35 year safe driving record with, 475 00:17:20,714 --> 00:17:21,655 with or IDA, 476 00:17:21,905 --> 00:17:24,635 you're still prone to, 477 00:17:24,645 --> 00:17:25,395 you know, 478 00:17:25,405 --> 00:17:26,785 overlook something or, 479

00:17:26,795 --> 00:17:28,935 or react a fraction of a second, 480 00:17:28,944 --> 00:17:29,505 too late. 481 00:17:29,515 --> 00:17:31,214 That doesn't make you a bad driver. 482 00:17:31,224 --> 00:17:32,175 It just like you said, 483 00:17:32,185 --> 00:17:33,155 it makes you human. 484 00:17:33,435 --> 00:17:34,734 So you've, 485 00:17:34,744 --> 00:17:37,655 you said you've got 35 years of safe driving under your belt. 486 00:17:37,665 --> 00:17:39,895 How many years have you been driving for Scott? 487 00:17:40,390 --> 00:17:41,500 Uh this November? 488 00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:42,479 It will be 48. 489 00:17:42,530 --> 00:17:43,560 Wow, 490 00:17:43,699 --> 00:17:44,400 that's amazing. 491 00:17:44,410 --> 00:17:47,079 And how long have you been with H and M remind me this, 492 00:17:47,089 --> 00:17:51,920 March will be three years and with all that experience under your belt, 493 00:17:51,930 --> 00:17:53,339 what can you tell me is, 494 00:17:53,349 --> 00:17:57,339 is different about H and M uh from other companies that you've worked for? 495 00:17:57,410 --> 00:17:59,199 What do you like more about it? 496 00:17:59,209 --> 00:18:02,250 Uh Is there anything that you like less that you think should be changed? 497 00:18:02,869 --> 00:18:11,920 The only thing I can say that should be maybe changed is should have an ideal scale. 498 00:18:11,930 --> 00:18:13,150 I know it costs money. 499 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:14,290 I understand that, 500 00:18:14,420 --> 00:18:21,859 but I should have a airbag scale on the trailer so that we know where our weight is. 501 00:18:22,130 --> 00:18:31,310 They've got airbags on the tractor and we've got a scale on our tractors and we know what the weight is on the fifth wheel. 502 00:18:31,319 --> 00:18:31,920 So, 503 00:18:32,420 --> 00:18:39,430 but uh I think it should be more active onto the trailer. 504 00:18:39,439 --> 00:18:40,209 Also, 505 00:18:40,310 --> 00:18:45,250 I've got a couple of warnings about being over on my trailer. 506 00:18:45,260 --> 00:18:45,760 So, 507 00:18:46,060 --> 00:18:47,560 and what about H and M? 508 00:18:47,569 --> 00:18:50,050 Do you like more than some of the other companies you've worked for? 509 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,010 Especially my driver manager. 510 00:18:53,109 --> 00:19:08,300 My driver manager has 20 years over the road experience and I really like him and I can tell the difference when he is not in office. 511 00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:12,699 We end up with not so desirable runs. 512 00:19:12,939 --> 00:19:13,640 So, 513 00:19:13,650 --> 00:19:13,969 ok. 514 00:19:13,979 --> 00:19:14,420 And well, 515 00:19:14,430 --> 00:19:15,140 let's call him out. 516 00:19:15,150 --> 00:19:17,140 Let's give him a shout out here on the podcast. 517 00:19:17,150 --> 00:19:18,119 He might be listening. 518 00:19:18,130 --> 00:19:19,739 What's your driver manager's name? 519 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,079 Jerry Mickelson. 520 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:28,770 He has 27 to 30 drivers and he has said numerous times that, 521 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,449 uh he is proud of every one of his drivers, 522 00:19:32,459 --> 00:19:35,619 especially when he runs night shift. 523 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:43,739 He can tell the difference because most of his drivers solves the problems that is presented to them. 524 00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:47,050 Unless they can't get it solved. 525 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:48,910 Then they, 526 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:59,170 they call after hours to get that situation either resolved so that the company can find out how to resolve that situation. 527 00:19:59,329 --> 00:19:59,819 Mhm. 528 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:00,540 Well, 529 00:20:00,550 --> 00:20:01,680 hats off to Terry. 530 00:20:01,689 --> 00:20:02,099 I mean, 531 00:20:02,109 --> 00:20:03,550 that kind of experience, 532 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,170 uh for a driver manager over the road is, 533 00:20:06,180 --> 00:20:08,530 is amazing and I'm sure that it helps him. 534 00:20:08,540 --> 00:20:13,010 He's just gonna know things that other driver managers aren't because of that experience, 535 00:20:13,020 --> 00:20:13,459 I assume. 536 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:14,180 Yes, 537 00:20:14,189 --> 00:20:14,410 sir. 538 00:20:14,780 --> 00:20:15,829 I enjoy, 539 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:21,630 I enjoy working with him sometimes he thinks I'm a little bit more personal with him. 540 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,380 I ask him when he comes back. 541 00:20:24,579 --> 00:20:25,150 Hey, 542 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,069 did you have a family issue? 543 00:20:27,170 --> 00:20:27,530 Uh, 544 00:20:27,689 --> 00:20:31,900 anything we can do to help you in your situation. 545 00:20:32,300 --> 00:20:33,069 And he, 546 00:20:33,079 --> 00:20:35,910 he is so amazed well, 547 00:20:35,930 --> 00:20:37,310 to play into that. 548 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:44,930 I was a noncommissioned officer in the United States Army and this is what I did in the army too was drive. 549 00:20:45,229 --> 00:20:50,839 And that's the reason I have so many years of experience and, 550 00:20:50,849 --> 00:20:50,859 uh, 551 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,199 I care for my soldiers and I care for my people that, 552 00:20:55,209 --> 00:20:58,079 that's around me and I'm working for, 553 00:20:58,089 --> 00:21:01,040 I'm working with or working under me, 554 00:21:01,050 --> 00:21:02,560 trucking industry. 555 00:21:02,810 --> 00:21:05,430 I don't think of people working under me. 556 00:21:05,439 --> 00:21:06,150 They, 557 00:21:06,229 --> 00:21:13,680 they just work with me and it's hard for the civilians because I'm always military. 558 00:21:14,050 --> 00:21:17,599 Uh It's hard for the civilians to work as a team. 559 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,520 I don't care if you're purple with pink polka dots. 560 00:21:20,839 --> 00:21:23,229 I don't care if you wear brown panties. 561 00:21:23,369 --> 00:21:29,089 I don't care when you step down in a fighting position with me to defend this great nation.

562 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,069 You better be ready to do your job. 563 00:21:31,290 --> 00:21:34,750 You definitely ain't gonna like what's gonna happen next. 564 00:21:35,069 --> 00:21:35,560 So, 565 00:21:35,650 --> 00:21:36,420 for sure. 566 00:21:36,430 --> 00:21:36,839 Well, 567 00:21:36,849 --> 00:21:37,719 uh for me and, 568 00:21:37,729 --> 00:21:39,800 and everybody here at the podcast and, 569 00:21:39,810 --> 00:21:40,589 and beyond. 570 00:21:40,599 --> 00:21:43,479 Uh thank you for your service to this great nation. 571 00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:44,880 Um And you know, 572 00:21:44,890 --> 00:21:49,619 having guys like you out there is the reason that we get to do what we get to do every single day. 573 00:21:49,890 --> 00:21:55,839 Um And do you feel like that kind of family mentality really runs throughout the company that you said you're, 574 00:21:55,849 --> 00:21:59,170 you're personal with your driver manager Terry and you'll, 575 00:21:59,180 --> 00:21:59,349 you know, 576 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:00,760 you're concerned about him. 577 00:22:00,770 --> 00:22:03,560 Is that something that kind of flows through H and M as a, 578 00:22:03,569 --> 00:22:05,449 as a company as a whole? 579 00:22:05,459 --> 00:22:08,010 More than some companies, 580 00:22:08,020 --> 00:22:16,410 I've worked for the company I worked with that was more family oriented because our job was dangerous. 581 00:22:16,699 --> 00:22:19,729 But what we did we had explosives, 582 00:22:19,739 --> 00:22:22,130 ammunition and radioactive material. 583 00:22:22,540 --> 00:22:24,270 And it was, 584 00:22:24,459 --> 00:22:27,040 I don't know the correct English word for it, 585 00:22:27,050 --> 00:22:31,109 but it was more dangerous than what I do now. 586 00:22:31,630 --> 00:22:32,310 So, 587 00:22:32,319 --> 00:22:34,979 but now corporation has, 588 00:22:35,199 --> 00:22:35,469 uh, 589 00:22:35,479 --> 00:22:36,709 that company, 590 00:22:37,410 --> 00:22:39,579 two corporations has that company. 591 00:22:39,689 --> 00:22:42,339 It's less family oriented. 592 00:22:42,579 --> 00:22:43,160 So, 593 00:22:43,969 --> 00:22:45,719 word of that correctly. 594 00:22:45,729 --> 00:22:46,280 Yeah, 595 00:22:46,290 --> 00:22:47,060 absolutely. 596 00:22:47,170 --> 00:22:47,500 Well, 597 00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:48,180 it's something that, 598 00:22:48,189 --> 00:22:49,579 the reason I asked the question, 599 00:22:49,589 --> 00:22:51,420 Scott is because I, 600 00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:51,489 I, 601 00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:51,780 you know, 602 00:22:51,790 --> 00:22:55,680 talk to so many people that work for H and M almost every day of, 603 00:22:55,689 --> 00:22:57,020 of the working week. 604 00:22:57,030 --> 00:23:01,209 And what I do hear is that people that have come from other companies, 605 00:23:01,219 --> 00:23:01,229 uh, 606 00:23:01,239 --> 00:23:05,670 really do feel and believe that this company is more family oriented, 607 00:23:05,979 --> 00:23:07,329 not just because of, 608 00:23:07,339 --> 00:23:07,510 you know, 609 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:08,670 how it started and, 610 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,489 and who's running it and everything like that. 611 00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:13,729 But also just because that's the culture that's been instilled. 612 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,890 H and M cares for their drivers. 613 00:23:15,900 --> 00:23:16,069 You know, 614 00:23:16,079 --> 00:23:17,709 they're gonna do a little extra work. 615 00:23:17,719 --> 00:23:18,770 They'll deadhead you home, 616 00:23:18,780 --> 00:23:20,670 they'll get you back if you need to be back, 617 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,390 if you've got some sort of family emergency, 618 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:23,670 you know, 619 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:24,250 I've, 620 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:30,699 I've actually had a driver scheduled here just in the last couple of weeks for a driver profile like we're doing right now. 621 00:23:30,819 --> 00:23:32,239 And when I called him to, 622 00:23:32,250 --> 00:23:33,310 to do the interview, 623 00:23:33,319 --> 00:23:33,699 he said, 624 00:23:33,709 --> 00:23:34,150 listen, 625 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,510 it's not a good time for me. 626 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,030 I've got a family emergency. 627 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,099 I'm headed home. 628 00:23:38,199 --> 00:23:41,790 H and M did a great job getting me back to where I need to be. 629 00:23:42,109 --> 00:23:43,920 You don't get that with every company. 630 00:23:43,930 --> 00:23:47,540 It seems like you're more of a number for some of these bigger companies. 631 00:23:47,550 --> 00:23:47,930 And, 632 00:23:48,130 --> 00:23:48,140 uh, 633 00:23:48,150 --> 00:23:51,599 it's cool to see H and M actively try to, 634 00:23:51,609 --> 00:23:52,699 to change that and, 635 00:23:52,709 --> 00:23:55,530 and to instill that in the culture of the entire company. 636 00:23:55,540 --> 00:23:55,939 Well, 637 00:23:55,949 --> 00:23:57,290 I've had an incident, 638 00:23:57,550 --> 00:24:05,800 I'm going through an issue changing my disability percentage with the va well, 639 00:24:05,810 --> 00:24:09,880 they do not work friendly with you for scheduling, 640 00:24:09,890 --> 00:24:09,959 you know, 641 00:24:09,969 --> 00:24:13,310 doctor's appointments for that. 642 00:24:13,780 --> 00:24:22,640 And so Terry a couple of times had to jump through some hoops to get me home to get to a doctor's appointment for that. 643 00:24:22,819 --> 00:24:25,130 My regular va appointments, 644 00:24:25,219 --> 00:24:27,479 I don't have too many problems with that. 645 00:24:27,939 --> 00:24:28,750 I don't have, 646 00:24:28,810 --> 00:24:35,359 I schedule my home time around my B A appointments and it works out great. 647 00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:35,520 Uh, 648 00:24:35,530 --> 00:24:40,310 I go out between 4 to 6 weeks at a time, 649 00:24:40,770 --> 00:24:42,390 then I go home for a week. 650 00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:43,619 My wife, 651 00:24:43,689 --> 00:24:54,339 she keeps

track of my M VA appointments and we schedule our home time around that H and M is always on top of things to get me home. 652 00:24:54,449 --> 00:24:54,729 Well, 653 00:24:54,739 --> 00:24:54,900 you know, 654 00:24:54,910 --> 00:24:56,640 they want you at the top of your game. 655 00:24:56,650 --> 00:24:58,140 And if you can't see your doctor, 656 00:24:58,150 --> 00:25:00,020 you can't get your benefits moved around. 657 00:25:00,030 --> 00:25:00,260 You know, 658 00:25:00,270 --> 00:25:00,880 you can't, 659 00:25:00,890 --> 00:25:00,900 uh, 660 00:25:00,910 --> 00:25:01,959 get home time, 661 00:25:02,056 --> 00:25:04,426 you need home time or you want home time. 662 00:25:04,436 --> 00:25:07,676 These are all little things that chip away at that, 663 00:25:07,686 --> 00:25:11,495 at that rough exterior of a professional driver and sooner or later, 664 00:25:11,676 --> 00:25:11,686 uh, 665 00:25:11,696 --> 00:25:14,686 if you've got a company that won't work with you on that stuff, 666 00:25:14,755 --> 00:25:17,265 why would you even want to bring your best to the, 667 00:25:17,276 --> 00:25:21,026 to the table every day other than just the safety aspect of it? 668 00:25:21,036 --> 00:25:23,245 So it makes a lot of sense to me. 669 00:25:23,342 --> 00:25:28,411 Uh That this is why H and M tries to be the way that they are and I'm glad to hear it, 670 00:25:28,421 --> 00:25:28,651 man. 671 00:25:28,661 --> 00:25:36,112 I hate hearing that the va jerks you around when you're trying to change up your benefits because in my opinion, 672 00:25:36,121 --> 00:25:37,952 and I'm not a former serviceman. 673 00:25:37,962 --> 00:25:42,791 I just am somebody that has a tremendous amount of respect for former servicemen and, 674 00:25:42,802 --> 00:25:44,401 and current servicemen and women. 675 00:25:44,959 --> 00:25:55,609 Um I think the va you should be nothing but a quick phone call away and that stuff should all get taken care of in a heartbeat for you because of what you've given of yourself to the country. 676 00:25:55,619 --> 00:25:56,589 Unfortunately, 677 00:25:56,599 --> 00:25:57,089 me, 678 00:25:57,099 --> 00:25:57,189 I, 679 00:25:57,199 --> 00:26:01,569 I'm just one guy in my opinion and 50 cents won't buy you a good cup of coffee. 680 00:26:01,630 --> 00:26:01,910 Um, 681 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:02,869 but I, 682 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,040 I'm sorry to hear that Scottie because II, 683 00:26:05,050 --> 00:26:06,900 I can't believe that, 684 00:26:06,930 --> 00:26:10,050 uh it should ever be hard for you guys uh to, 685 00:26:10,060 --> 00:26:13,449 to mess around with that type of stuff and get it worked out the way you need to. 686 00:26:13,859 --> 00:26:14,260 Yeah, 687 00:26:14,349 --> 00:26:20,670 I want to give another shout out to the maintenance crew that uh H and M has. 688 00:26:20,949 --> 00:26:23,780 They are excellent maintenance crew. 689 00:26:23,790 --> 00:26:26,660 They got down there that takes care of us, 690 00:26:26,670 --> 00:26:40,599 including the ladies in the office and of course the people that's boots on the ground down there at the shop that gets things done for us to get our trucks fixed and get them back on the road, 691 00:26:40,770 --> 00:26:42,949 hats off to the maintenance crew and, 692 00:26:42,959 --> 00:26:42,969 uh, 693 00:26:42,979 --> 00:26:45,270 Jim and everybody down there at the shop, 694 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:45,290 uh, 695 00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:49,270 running a tight shift for sure and keeping you guys on the road, 696 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:50,880 keeping you all safe and, 697 00:26:50,890 --> 00:26:52,800 and speaking of safe real quick, 698 00:26:52,810 --> 00:26:53,030 you know, 699 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,630 today's episode is about, 700 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:54,650 uh, 701 00:26:54,660 --> 00:26:56,469 managing mountain passes. 702 00:26:56,479 --> 00:26:58,839 I know that we're a little bit early on this, 703 00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:02,949 but is there any advice that you might give to a new driver? 704 00:27:03,030 --> 00:27:03,040 Uh, 705 00:27:03,050 --> 00:27:07,989 just so we can touch on our topic real quick about managing mountain passes as the, 706 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:08,310 uh, 707 00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:08,630 the, 708 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,670 the winter driving season approaches us, 709 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:11,209 Scott. 710 00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:12,189 Yes. 711 00:27:12,489 --> 00:27:13,469 Uh, 712 00:27:13,689 --> 00:27:15,369 I have thought about this. 713 00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:16,819 Some drivers, 714 00:27:16,829 --> 00:27:23,040 some of the older drivers are worried about younger drivers how fast they drive. 715 00:27:23,180 --> 00:27:27,260 Don't outdrive your abilities, 716 00:27:27,349 --> 00:27:34,359 drive at your speed that keeps you and your vehicle safe. 717 00:27:34,369 --> 00:27:45,910 Don't get in a hurry and don't let other people push you to make a mistake and then you will have a bad ending. 718 00:27:46,099 --> 00:27:46,569 Mhm. 719 00:27:46,910 --> 00:27:47,630 For sure. 720 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:47,709 I, 721 00:27:47,719 --> 00:27:49,449 I've heard the adage before. 722 00:27:49,459 --> 00:27:51,459 Don't drive in your rearview mirror. 723 00:27:51,869 --> 00:27:51,880 Uh, 724 00:27:51,910 --> 00:27:53,410 basically you gotta, 725 00:27:53,420 --> 00:27:55,989 you gotta worry about what's in front of you more than what's behind. 726 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,229 You don't be worried about people trying to pass. 727 00:27:58,239 --> 00:28:02,390 Don't be trying to keep with the speed of everybody that's coming up behind. 728 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,989 You just drive as you will and drive as you're safe and comfortable. 729 00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:07,949 Correct? 730 00:28:08,099 --> 00:28:13,060 And also don't worry about other people, 731 00:28:13,699 --> 00:28:15,469 their driving abilities. 732 00:28:15,479 --> 00:28:22,069 What I'm saying is if it's too slick

for you to be on that road, 733 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:23,750 don't worry about other people. 734 00:28:24,060 --> 00:28:28,469 If it's too slick for you to be on that road, 735 00:28:28,479 --> 00:28:29,550 get off, 736 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,550 find a safe place for your vehicle to park it. 737 00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:35,310 Yep. 738 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,010 Goes all the way back to when your mom would ask you when you did something stupid as a kid. 739 00:28:40,020 --> 00:28:40,560 And she said, 740 00:28:40,569 --> 00:28:40,670 well, 741 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:41,469 why did you do that? 742 00:28:41,479 --> 00:28:41,770 He said, 743 00:28:41,780 --> 00:28:41,900 well, 744 00:28:41,910 --> 00:28:43,689 because my friend Johnny was doing it, 745 00:28:43,699 --> 00:28:44,819 what would she always say? 746 00:28:44,829 --> 00:28:46,750 She'd say if Johnny jumped off a bridge, 747 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,430 would you jump off a bridge too? 748 00:28:48,579 --> 00:28:50,119 Absolutely not mom. 749 00:28:50,130 --> 00:28:50,369 Right. 750 00:28:50,380 --> 00:28:50,650 That's, 751 00:28:50,660 --> 00:28:51,510 that's the one and, 752 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,599 and if that's kind of the same thing you're saying, 753 00:28:53,609 --> 00:28:54,599 just because, 754 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:54,890 uh, 755 00:28:54,900 --> 00:29:04,810 just because the with driver or just because the UPS driver is taken on that road doesn't mean that you have to good advice. 756 00:29:04,819 --> 00:29:05,089 It, 757 00:29:05,099 --> 00:29:05,680 it is, 758 00:29:05,689 --> 00:29:10,290 it's great advice and from a very seasoned and proven safe driver. 759 00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:12,219 And these are things that I think are, 760 00:29:12,270 --> 00:29:12,680 you know, 761 00:29:12,689 --> 00:29:15,510 some people might hear it and try to take it with a grain of salt. 762 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,979 But I think you're, 763 00:29:16,989 --> 00:29:17,300 you're, 764 00:29:17,310 --> 00:29:23,500 you're listening to one of the guys that's been out there longer than most right now and he's got a pristine safety record. 765 00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:27,260 So take his advice and heed it if you will. 766 00:29:27,420 --> 00:29:27,989 But Scott, 767 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,300 we're up against the clock here. 768 00:29:29,310 --> 00:29:30,739 I want to give you an opportunity. 769 00:29:30,750 --> 00:29:33,079 I've been doing this lately with my driver profiles, 770 00:29:33,089 --> 00:29:37,920 giving the driver an opportunity to have the floor and say anything that you want to say, 771 00:29:37,930 --> 00:29:40,079 whether it be to your fellow drivers. 772 00:29:40,089 --> 00:29:42,614 Uh the company myself included, 773 00:29:42,665 --> 00:29:45,064 say what you will please before we let you go, 774 00:29:45,204 --> 00:29:48,244 I want to say to all of my drivers, 775 00:29:48,275 --> 00:29:51,525 all the drivers that drives these trucks. 776 00:29:51,535 --> 00:29:57,165 Thank them so much for keeping America moving during COVID. 777 00:29:57,314 --> 00:30:00,194 They did an excellent job. 778 00:30:00,204 --> 00:30:11,579 They did not take all the precautions that people at home took and they got COVID more than us drivers did and us drivers, 779 00:30:11,869 --> 00:30:14,489 we've always got to take care of each other. 780 00:30:14,500 --> 00:30:18,640 Do what's best for us and be safe. 781 00:30:18,650 --> 00:30:27,819 Let people on the freeway even though then we know that they won't let you on the freeway when it's your turn to come on the freeway. 782 00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:32,369 So you've got to stay safe and have a great day. 783 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,359 There you go. 784 00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:36,150 Because last time we had John here uh I was, 785 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,660 I was excited for the sign off the entire time. 786 00:30:38,930 --> 00:30:40,800 You got a good sign off for us today. 787 00:30:41,239 --> 00:30:41,900 I do. 788 00:30:41,910 --> 00:30:44,640 May the good Lord be with you wherever you may travel, 789 00:30:44,650 --> 00:30:46,180 be well be safe. 790 00:30:46,329 --> 00:30:49,900 And as Spock used to say on the starship enterprise, 791 00:30:50,180 --> 00:30:52,140 live long and prosper, 792 00:30:52,150 --> 00:30:53,910 my friends beat me up, 793 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:54,630 Scotty. 794 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,459 There is no intelligent life form here on this planet. 795 00:31:01,469 --> 00:31:02,069 Beat me up, 796 00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:02,650 Scotty. 797 00:31:04,770 --> 00:31:04,989 Hey, 798 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,479 we really appreciate the time as always Scottie and we want you to be safe out there. 799 00:31:09,489 --> 00:31:09,729 Ok. 800 00:31:09,739 --> 00:31:12,209 Thank you so much for coming on the podcast today. 801 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:12,859 You bet, 802 00:31:12,939 --> 00:31:13,979 take care and be careful. 803 00:31:18,780 --> 00:31:19,319 All right, 804 00:31:19,329 --> 00:31:22,209 it's high time for some mandatory fun with Marcus. 805 00:31:22,219 --> 00:31:23,689 And even though I said high time, 806 00:31:23,699 --> 00:31:23,790 no, 807 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:24,739 we're not getting high. 808 00:31:24,750 --> 00:31:26,310 So please don't do that. 809 00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:26,609 We, 810 00:31:26,619 --> 00:31:28,400 we talk to drivers here. 811 00:31:28,410 --> 00:31:30,510 We don't need to be thinking about that type of thing. 812 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,040 Ok. 813 00:31:31,550 --> 00:31:33,079 We are gonna get to some mandatory fun. 814 00:31:33,089 --> 00:31:33,520 I've got, 815 00:31:33,530 --> 00:31:33,540 uh, 816 00:31:33,550 --> 00:31:38,180 a little bit of a Facebook post that I want to get to with some responses. 817 00:31:38,189 --> 00:31:38,219 Uh, 818 00:31:38,229 --> 00:31:41,630 that really run the gamut between hilarious, 819 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:41,849 uh, 820 00:31:41,859 --> 00:31:45,790 appropriate

and very inappropriate and we'll get to all that in just a second. 821 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,449 But first, 822 00:31:46,459 --> 00:31:47,770 let's get to some news. 823 00:31:52,380 --> 00:31:55,089 We haven't had any breaking news here for a while. 824 00:31:55,099 --> 00:31:55,290 And, 825 00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:55,449 uh, 826 00:31:55,459 --> 00:31:55,869 of course, 827 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,089 breaking news is hard to do when you record the episode a full week before it launches. 828 00:32:00,099 --> 00:32:01,729 But this stuff is, 829 00:32:01,739 --> 00:32:01,750 uh, 830 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,420 news that will still be in effect by the time you hear this episode. 831 00:32:05,579 --> 00:32:07,719 Um This comes from transport topics. 832 00:32:07,729 --> 00:32:08,010 Actually, 833 00:32:08,020 --> 00:32:10,630 all of these stories coming from transport topics today, 834 00:32:11,260 --> 00:32:23,780 Florida and four other states have issued emergency waivers for commercial motor vehicles that remain in effect for varying periods up to a month to deal with the aftermath of hurricane Adalia. 835 00:32:23,790 --> 00:32:32,449 Adalia hit the northeast side of Florida on August 30th as a category three hurricane swirling toward the southeastern US coastline. 836 00:32:32,459 --> 00:32:32,959 Florida. 837 00:32:32,969 --> 00:32:42,750 Governor Ron desantis issued two emergency waivers for commercial motor vehicle vehicles and certain hours of service requirements and size and weight restrictions were lifted. 838 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,400 Georgia, 839 00:32:43,410 --> 00:32:44,180 South Carolina, 840 00:32:44,189 --> 00:32:48,099 North Carolina and Kentucky posted similar orders. 841 00:32:48,109 --> 00:32:55,209 August 29th after AD made landfall near Keaton Beach where the Florida Panhandle curves around the Gulf of Mexico. 842 00:32:55,219 --> 00:33:01,300 It brought maximum sustained winds of 100 and 25 MPH. 843 00:33:02,689 --> 00:33:03,260 Uh, 844 00:33:03,270 --> 00:33:04,660 there was a lot of down trees, 845 00:33:04,670 --> 00:33:06,239 a lot of flooded roads and, 846 00:33:06,250 --> 00:33:06,260 uh, 847 00:33:06,270 --> 00:33:07,869 it even spun off some tornadoes. 848 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,579 So it looks like there's going to be a few, 849 00:33:10,589 --> 00:33:10,900 um, 850 00:33:11,380 --> 00:33:15,630 restrictions lifted and some emergency orders there that will maybe help uh, 851 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:16,630 in the aftermath, 852 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:17,949 cleaning up that mess. 853 00:33:17,959 --> 00:33:17,969 Uh, 854 00:33:17,979 --> 00:33:25,750 you know what you drivers out there are the ones that are getting all of the materials that are needed to fix these problems to where they need to be. 855 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:26,069 So, 856 00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:27,260 makes sense to me, 857 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:27,410 uh, 858 00:33:27,420 --> 00:33:28,869 lift some of these uh, 859 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:29,900 restrictions, 860 00:33:29,910 --> 00:33:31,770 get the drivers out there get the people, 861 00:33:31,780 --> 00:33:33,140 the goods that they need, 862 00:33:33,229 --> 00:33:35,510 uh so that they can rebuild and, 863 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:35,910 you know, 864 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,000 same thing kind of goes for our friends over in uh in Lahaina, 865 00:33:39,010 --> 00:33:39,670 Maui. 866 00:33:40,290 --> 00:33:43,239 Uh Such a tragic thing that happened there with the fires. 867 00:33:43,250 --> 00:33:43,959 And I know that, 868 00:33:44,250 --> 00:33:44,500 you know, 869 00:33:44,510 --> 00:33:46,780 you might not think Hawaiian Islands and trucks. 870 00:33:46,790 --> 00:33:47,439 But trust me, 871 00:33:47,449 --> 00:33:48,660 if you've ever been over there, 872 00:33:48,719 --> 00:33:52,000 there are some trucks running around out there and those guys are, 873 00:33:52,010 --> 00:33:52,020 uh, 874 00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:54,160 doing the Lord's work right now as well, 875 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:59,599 bringing goods and services to the people that need them in disaster ridden areas. 876 00:33:59,739 --> 00:34:05,359 Moving on FM CS A proposes changes to carrier fitness determination. 877 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:14,350 Federal trucking Regulators are seeking public comment on a proposal to modify the current three tier safety motor carrier fitness rating structure, 878 00:34:14,379 --> 00:34:21,129 including a review of data and other resources available for helping determine a carrier's fitness to operate. 879 00:34:21,139 --> 00:34:21,370 Now, 880 00:34:21,379 --> 00:34:28,590 I'm sure some of you drivers heard the word fitness and thought they better not be making my fitness card or my my health card harder to get. 881 00:34:28,888 --> 00:34:30,378 It doesn't have to do with the drivers. 882 00:34:30,388 --> 00:34:31,849 This is about carriers. 883 00:34:31,858 --> 00:34:31,968 Uh, 884 00:34:31,979 --> 00:34:51,839 the new FM CS A's advanced notice of proposed rule making was posted in the federal register on August 29th and it could allow the agency to scrap or modify the current way it evaluates motor carrier fitness and perhaps even develop a new method that could incorporate the agency's compliance, 885 00:34:51,849 --> 00:34:52,378 safety, 886 00:34:52,388 --> 00:34:53,188 accountability, 887 00:34:53,198 --> 00:34:54,968 safety and measurement system. 888 00:34:55,510 --> 00:35:01,179 Fitness determinations are currently based on an analysis of existing motor carrier data, 889 00:35:01,189 --> 00:35:12,840 data collected during an investigation and a compliance review conducted at a carrier's place of business and or remotely through a review of its records using a secure portal. 890 00:35:12,850 --> 00:35:18,010 So these are all things just to for the FM CS A to look at a carrier and say that carrier is fit, 891 00:35:18,020 --> 00:35:19,479 that carrier is doing well. 892 00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:22,060 They're

thinking about changing the way that they go about that. 893 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,100 Maybe it's good, 894 00:35:23,110 --> 00:35:23,929 maybe it's bad. 895 00:35:23,939 --> 00:35:29,090 I'm not gonna claim to have enough knowledge of how they do this to make a determination on that. 896 00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:31,620 But if you uh have anything to say about it, 897 00:35:31,629 --> 00:35:33,270 please do reach out to us, 898 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,520 leave a comment on our advertisements on Facebook for the podcast episode. 899 00:35:37,649 --> 00:35:41,229 I would love to hear your feedback out there and finally, 900 00:35:41,290 --> 00:35:45,760 a little more uh fallout from the whole yellow debacle. 901 00:35:45,770 --> 00:35:50,780 Uh The headline says yellow shutdown opens up el tl market for competitors. 902 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:57,909 Yellow Corp shutdown is having a downstream effect on less than truck load space as freight volumes flow toward competitors. 903 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:03,139 The Nashville Tennessee based Transport Holding company ceased operations on July 30th. 904 00:36:03,149 --> 00:36:05,820 We all know that after nearly a century in business, 905 00:36:05,830 --> 00:36:06,860 it declared bankruptcy. 906 00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:07,820 About a week later, 907 00:36:07,909 --> 00:36:13,699 the company was highly focused on the less than truckload segment through subsidiaries like YRC freight. 908 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:19,669 Its freight volumes have already started shifting to competitors with assets expected to follow. 909 00:36:19,679 --> 00:36:20,750 There's a quote here. 910 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:21,729 Quote, 911 00:36:21,739 --> 00:36:26,649 there's enough capacity in the LTL space to absorb the Yellow business. 912 00:36:26,659 --> 00:36:30,679 This is according to Kevin Day who is president of less than truckload business. 913 00:36:30,689 --> 00:36:33,370 A fs logistics more from him. 914 00:36:33,379 --> 00:36:39,239 A lot of that has to do with just the slow progress that this all unfolded. 915 00:36:39,310 --> 00:36:42,209 It's not an abrupt event that happened over a weekend, 916 00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:44,540 but it looks like everything's gonna be good. 917 00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:48,929 Uh It looks like maybe some LTL carriers will get a little bit of extra business here. 918 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:57,370 Uh Yellow was a big company and there's gonna be a lot of gaps to fill as we talked to Tim Krueger about this all the way back at the end of July when this was going down. 919 00:36:57,500 --> 00:37:00,760 Uh Tim said you might see the needle wiggle a little bit in LTL. 920 00:37:00,770 --> 00:37:02,379 It's not gonna be substantial, 921 00:37:02,389 --> 00:37:05,360 but you probably will see some effect on the market. 922 00:37:05,370 --> 00:37:13,250 That's your news and moving over to the fun stuff. 923 00:37:13,260 --> 00:37:17,550 The mandatory fun part of mandatory fun with Marcus. 924 00:37:18,090 --> 00:37:19,649 I thought what's fun? 925 00:37:19,659 --> 00:37:19,840 Like, 926 00:37:19,850 --> 00:37:20,909 what could we do here? 927 00:37:20,919 --> 00:37:21,909 That would be fun. 928 00:37:21,919 --> 00:37:22,570 And so I, 929 00:37:22,580 --> 00:37:26,840 I found a uh post on one of my favorite Facebook pages. 930 00:37:26,850 --> 00:37:28,530 Uh It's called Rubber Side Down. 931 00:37:28,540 --> 00:37:29,100 By the way, 932 00:37:29,110 --> 00:37:30,570 you guys can go and check that out. 933 00:37:30,580 --> 00:37:35,209 It's a private group for truck drivers only the question was asked, 934 00:37:35,229 --> 00:37:36,310 share your story. 935 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,590 What is the most fun you've had while OTR? 936 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:40,939 And as you can imagine, 937 00:37:40,949 --> 00:37:41,739 friends, 938 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:48,070 uh some of these responses are not apropo of what I would call a family podcast. 939 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:48,510 Now, 940 00:37:48,689 --> 00:37:50,510 we're not necessarily a family podcast. 941 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:51,830 We know who we're talking to here. 942 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,100 So I'm gonna read these, 943 00:37:53,250 --> 00:37:55,949 but there's a chance that you might just hear a series of beeps. 944 00:37:55,959 --> 00:37:55,969 Uh, 945 00:37:55,979 --> 00:37:57,129 it depends evil. 946 00:37:57,139 --> 00:37:57,949 Listen to this. 947 00:37:57,959 --> 00:37:59,790 She'll give me her opinion on it. 948 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:07,489 But what's the most fun you've had while otr the first response is about prostitutes and drugs in three different cities. 949 00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:10,669 So I'm gonna leave that one uh to your imagination, 950 00:38:10,830 --> 00:38:14,270 but it's the same thing in all three cities and those cities are Atlanta, 951 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,270 New Orleans and Fort Lauderdale moving on. 952 00:38:16,699 --> 00:38:24,419 Uh Christian says when I was with Cr England passing through Montana and got to see the location of Custer's last Stand. 953 00:38:24,429 --> 00:38:25,800 The Battle of Big Horn. 954 00:38:25,969 --> 00:38:30,340 That is my best memory otr that was kind of what I was looking for. 955 00:38:30,350 --> 00:38:33,719 There's so many landmarks out there that you guys pass by when you're driving. 956 00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:35,139 I've always been curious. 957 00:38:35,149 --> 00:38:38,179 Uh if you decide to spend any of your time at the places, 958 00:38:38,189 --> 00:38:40,570 I know that can probably be kind of a, 959 00:38:40,580 --> 00:38:44,290 a chunk out of your paycheck because not all these places are free just to go see, 960 00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:47,229 but there are plenty of them uh that are free. 961 00:38:47,429 --> 00:38:50,189 And uh that's exactly uh what I was hoping for. 962 00:38:50,449 --> 00:38:50,489 Uh, 963 00:38:50,500 --> 00:38:51,979 in some of these comments, 964 00:38:52,250 -->

00:38:54,729 Chris says delivering fuel all over the country. 965 00:38:54,739 --> 00:39:00,330 The best part was to pull over and walk out in the Utah desert and camp out there. 966 00:39:00,469 --> 00:39:03,399 But there are an insane number of mice at night. 967 00:39:03,659 --> 00:39:06,070 There's probably also scorpions and snakes and shit, 968 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:06,370 dude. 969 00:39:06,379 --> 00:39:06,570 I mean, 970 00:39:06,580 --> 00:39:08,590 this is the desert in Utah. 971 00:39:08,810 --> 00:39:09,600 I look, 972 00:39:09,610 --> 00:39:10,370 that's awesome. 973 00:39:10,379 --> 00:39:11,330 That's brave. 974 00:39:11,489 --> 00:39:12,330 But that's really cool. 975 00:39:12,340 --> 00:39:16,389 Like you just go on a walk about and have a vision quest on your 34. 976 00:39:16,399 --> 00:39:17,129 I love it, 977 00:39:17,229 --> 00:39:17,659 Chris, 978 00:39:17,669 --> 00:39:18,560 thank you for that. 979 00:39:18,570 --> 00:39:19,459 That's huge. 980 00:39:19,879 --> 00:39:22,169 There's a lot of stuff about lot lizards in here. 981 00:39:22,179 --> 00:39:23,229 Let's just be honest. 982 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,350 I don't know how honest any of these are. 983 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,649 They might just be people making jokes or they could be people telling the absolute truth. 984 00:39:29,659 --> 00:39:30,129 And once again, 985 00:39:30,139 --> 00:39:38,659 I'm gonna have to leave those to your imagination because I want this segment to make it to air Carl says he liked to show his wife and his kids the country. 986 00:39:38,669 --> 00:39:39,280 It's cool man. 987 00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:40,560 If you get a chance to take, 988 00:39:40,570 --> 00:39:40,580 uh, 989 00:39:40,590 --> 00:39:42,580 your wife with you or your family, 990 00:39:42,590 --> 00:39:46,840 I know certain companies have certain policies about family members riding along. 991 00:39:46,850 --> 00:39:51,479 But if you're with a company that lets your wife or your kids or whoever ride along with you, 992 00:39:51,489 --> 00:39:53,479 I imagine you can make some real memories out there. 993 00:39:53,489 --> 00:39:55,260 That's like being on a family road trip. 994 00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:57,219 There's just a job that's got to be done there. 995 00:39:57,399 --> 00:39:57,939 Of course, 996 00:39:57,949 --> 00:40:00,419 that's only if your kids are well behaved back there in the sleeper. 997 00:40:00,429 --> 00:40:06,409 I could see that getting a little distracting Scott says when I was a driver trainer for Boyd brothers, 998 00:40:06,419 --> 00:40:08,570 I really enjoyed having students with me. 999 00:40:08,580 --> 00:40:11,209 Most were country boys around my son's ages. 1000 00:40:11,219 --> 00:40:12,290 I watched out for them, 1001 00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:13,530 paid for their meals. 1002 00:40:13,540 --> 00:40:15,169 Made sure they showered each day. 1003 00:40:15,179 --> 00:40:15,510 Had, 1004 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,629 spending money were properly

dressed and had smokes if they needed them. 1005 00:40:19,949 --> 00:40:20,820 That's awesome. 1006 00:40:20,830 --> 00:40:23,520 How could you ever ask for a better trainer than Scott? 1007 00:40:23,530 --> 00:40:25,139 He's buying you smokes? 1008 00:40:25,149 --> 00:40:25,790 I feel like he's, 1009 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:26,120 he's like, 1010 00:40:26,129 --> 00:40:28,820 I don't know how many of you guys are trailer park boys fans out there. 1011 00:40:28,830 --> 00:40:30,340 But if you've ever watched that show, 1012 00:40:30,580 --> 00:40:32,969 like Scott would basically be your Jacob. 1013 00:40:32,979 --> 00:40:35,399 Like Jacob smokes and all of a sudden, 1014 00:40:35,409 --> 00:40:37,199 Corey smokes like Jacob and Corey, 1015 00:40:37,209 --> 00:40:37,320 it's, 1016 00:40:37,330 --> 00:40:38,580 it's how you having that guy there. 1017 00:40:38,590 --> 00:40:41,820 But he also says he had to make sure that they showered each day. 1018 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:42,620 Which, 1019 00:40:42,629 --> 00:40:42,879 well, 1020 00:40:42,889 --> 00:40:44,560 that's a very nice thing to do. 1021 00:40:44,570 --> 00:40:51,030 I don't know that I would want to be the one that was shouldered with that responsibility because how do you check that? 1022 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,060 You can ask them, 1023 00:40:52,070 --> 00:40:57,550 take their word for it or you could probably just sniff them and know whether they were lying or not. 1024 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:58,179 Once again, 1025 00:40:58,189 --> 00:40:58,560 Scott, 1026 00:40:58,570 --> 00:41:01,770 thank you for doing that and not leaving it to anyone else. 1027 00:41:01,780 --> 00:41:06,850 Uh Trey says when I had my C LP with my trainer, 1028 00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:09,219 he is still a great friend to this day. 1029 00:41:09,229 --> 00:41:11,739 We both drive and talk quite frequently. 1030 00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:17,679 I never thought a job that isolates people like this one would give me friendships that could last a lifetime. 1031 00:41:17,959 --> 00:41:18,669 That's awesome, 1032 00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:18,850 man. 1033 00:41:18,860 --> 00:41:19,530 You're out there, 1034 00:41:19,540 --> 00:41:19,550 uh, 1035 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,530 on your C LP with your trainer and you get a lifetime friend out of the deal. 1036 00:41:23,540 --> 00:41:25,899 I've heard some horror stories about trainers, 1037 00:41:25,909 --> 00:41:27,610 falling asleep at the wheel, 1038 00:41:27,620 --> 00:41:28,929 yelling at their trainees, 1039 00:41:28,939 --> 00:41:30,310 all sorts of crazy stuff. 1040 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:37,909 Doesn't sound like Scott is that type of trainer and it sounds like Trey had a trainer a lot like Scott who was very good to him. 1041 00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:38,169 Uh, 1042 00:41:38,179 --> 00:41:39,540 thanks everybody that, 1043 00:41:39,550 --> 00:41:40,270 that replied. 1044 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:40,459 I mean, 1045 00:41:40,469 --> 00:41:41,649 this isn't my thing, 1046 00:41:41,659 --> 00:41:41,949 but, 1047 00:41:41,959 --> 00:41:41,969 uh, 1048 00:41:41,979 --> 00:41:43,899 it was really cool to read some of the stories. 1049 00:41:44,290 --> 00:41:46,429 The last one I'll bring you is from Jeff, 1050 00:41:46,439 --> 00:41:48,010 which has a funny typo in it. 1051 00:41:48,020 --> 00:41:49,949 I think it's a typo unless this is just a, 1052 00:41:49,959 --> 00:41:51,989 a turn of phrase that I haven't heard before. 1053 00:41:52,189 --> 00:41:52,199 Uh, 1054 00:41:52,209 --> 00:41:55,870 Jeff says what happens on the road stays on the toad. 1055 00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:58,639 So once again, 1056 00:41:58,649 --> 00:42:06,780 up to your imagination to tell me whether or not that is a typo or there's something behind that that I probably can't describe on this podcast. 1057 00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:06,800 Uh, 1058 00:42:06,810 --> 00:42:08,919 that's it for mandatory fun with Marcus. 1059 00:42:08,929 --> 00:42:11,040 How about an eagle screech to close it out? 1060 00:42:16,510 --> 00:42:20,739 Joining us now on the H and M Trucking podcast is service and equipment manager, 1061 00:42:20,750 --> 00:42:21,439 Jim Mussel. 1062 00:42:21,449 --> 00:42:21,689 Jim, 1063 00:42:21,699 --> 00:42:22,540 thanks for being here. 1064 00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:24,360 It's been a while since we last talked. 1065 00:42:24,370 --> 00:42:26,179 How's everything going out there in Omaha? 1066 00:42:26,889 --> 00:42:27,659 It's going good. 1067 00:42:27,669 --> 00:42:28,879 It's getting warm out again. 1068 00:42:29,250 --> 00:42:30,229 That's what I hear. 1069 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:30,600 Man, 1070 00:42:30,610 --> 00:42:34,360 I saw your guys's heat index was like 100 and 20 or something like that last week. 1071 00:42:35,169 --> 00:42:36,020 It was miserable. 1072 00:42:36,409 --> 00:42:37,459 Is there anything, 1073 00:42:37,469 --> 00:42:37,919 uh that, 1074 00:42:37,929 --> 00:42:40,909 that you guys need to watch on the trucks when the heat gets like that? 1075 00:42:41,649 --> 00:42:41,870 Well, 1076 00:42:41,879 --> 00:42:46,080 we just got to make sure that we got our tires is the biggest thing, 1077 00:42:46,090 --> 00:42:46,479 man. 1078 00:42:46,699 --> 00:42:47,080 With, 1079 00:42:47,090 --> 00:42:48,090 with the heat, 1080 00:42:48,260 --> 00:42:49,489 we got tires. 1081 00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:50,899 If they're underinflated, 1082 00:42:50,909 --> 00:42:56,040 they're blowing and that's where we're getting running into problems. 1083 00:42:56,050 --> 00:42:59,149 It's just the low inflation of tires for sure. 1084 00:42:59,229 --> 00:43:05,399 I saw some crazy videos of some of the heat around the country where tires would actually like melt if they've sat there long enough. 1085 00:43:05,409 --> 00:43:06,479 And no, 1086 00:43:06,489 --> 00:43:07,159 thank you. 1087 00:43:07,169 --> 00:43:07,320 I, 1088 00:43:07,330 --> 00:43:10,959 I'll stay out here in the good Pacific Northwest where we get a breeze every now and

then. 1089 00:43:11,250 --> 00:43:11,699 Yeah. 1090 00:43:12,169 --> 00:43:12,419 Yeah. 1091 00:43:12,929 --> 00:43:13,419 Well, 1092 00:43:13,429 --> 00:43:16,580 I'm gonna switch gears with you a little bit here and talk more towards the, 1093 00:43:16,590 --> 00:43:16,979 uh, 1094 00:43:16,989 --> 00:43:21,080 the winter side of driving is today we're discussing managing mountain passes. 1095 00:43:21,260 --> 00:43:21,580 And, 1096 00:43:21,590 --> 00:43:21,600 uh, 1097 00:43:21,610 --> 00:43:24,080 the reason I wanted to have you on is because of your, 1098 00:43:24,090 --> 00:43:25,899 your breadth of experience here. 1099 00:43:26,050 --> 00:43:35,939 Talk to me a little bit about the maintenance side of mountain pass driving and how the drivers can stay prepared for anything that might befall them as the weather starts to turn. 1100 00:43:36,370 --> 00:43:36,679 Well, 1101 00:43:36,689 --> 00:43:37,139 they just, 1102 00:43:37,149 --> 00:43:37,290 you know, 1103 00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:39,030 they got to watch their road conditions, 1104 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,320 always watch the weather up ahead of them, 1105 00:43:41,820 --> 00:43:42,830 kick on the news, 1106 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:43,899 kick it on the radio. 1107 00:43:43,989 --> 00:43:44,330 I mean, 1108 00:43:44,340 --> 00:43:44,790 listen, 1109 00:43:45,399 --> 00:43:47,010 the parts of the country you're going into, 1110 00:43:47,020 --> 00:43:47,889 you got to know where your, 1111 00:43:48,169 --> 00:43:49,669 what your weather's like. 1112 00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:49,949 Um, 1113 00:43:50,139 --> 00:43:51,360 make sure that they always, 1114 00:43:51,370 --> 00:43:51,520 you know, 1115 00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:54,669 their safety chains for the wheels are good and, 1116 00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:55,229 you know, 1117 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,899 I know they don't see them much. 1118 00:43:57,250 --> 00:43:59,570 I don't think they pull on that panel and look at them enough, 1119 00:43:59,580 --> 00:43:59,870 but, 1120 00:43:59,879 --> 00:44:00,090 you know, 1121 00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:04,810 it doesn't hurt to give them a shot and make sure that they're all good and, 1122 00:44:04,820 --> 00:44:04,830 uh, 1123 00:44:05,169 --> 00:44:07,679 maybe something at the beginning of the season to do, 1124 00:44:07,689 --> 00:44:07,879 um, 1125 00:44:07,889 --> 00:44:09,179 since we're talking about it, 1126 00:44:09,189 --> 00:44:09,479 I mean, 1127 00:44:09,489 --> 00:44:09,939 go ahead, 1128 00:44:09,949 --> 00:44:10,419 pop your, 1129 00:44:10,429 --> 00:44:11,100 pop your, 1130 00:44:11,110 --> 00:44:11,260 uh, 1131 00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:14,179 the cap on that thing and take a look at those chains. 1132 00:44:14,189 --> 00:44:14,219 They, 1133 00:44:14,229 --> 00:44:15,560 they don't get used very often. 1134 00:44:15,570 --> 00:44:17,379 You never know if they're in good working order, 1135 00:44:17,389 --> 00:44:17,979 I would assume. 1136 00:44:18,399 --> 00:44:18,909 Right. 1137

00:44:18,919 --> 00:44:19,060 Yeah, 1138 00:44:19,070 --> 00:44:21,030 because they just sit there on the side of the truck and, 1139 00:44:21,340 --> 00:44:21,580 you know, 1140 00:44:21,590 --> 00:44:23,340 over all the miles they drive and, 1141 00:44:23,350 --> 00:44:25,419 and that bouncing and shaking, 1142 00:44:25,429 --> 00:44:27,419 they get wedged in there and they turn into, 1143 00:44:27,429 --> 00:44:30,040 like locked up rocks and, 1144 00:44:30,050 --> 00:44:31,699 and it takes a little bit to get them out. 1145 00:44:31,709 --> 00:44:32,219 If they, 1146 00:44:32,959 --> 00:44:34,409 they haven't moved them around, 1147 00:44:34,419 --> 00:44:35,750 it's nice to take them out, 1148 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:36,750 set them on the ground, 1149 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:37,590 measure them out, 1150 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:38,330 make sure that, 1151 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:38,939 you know, 1152 00:44:38,949 --> 00:44:42,010 you got what you need and there's no damage on them. 1153 00:44:42,020 --> 00:44:43,090 So that's the biggest thing. 1154 00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:46,570 You wanna make sure that you got that properly and make sure, 1155 00:44:46,580 --> 00:44:46,889 you know, 1156 00:44:46,899 --> 00:44:49,110 just don't try and overdrive the road. 1157 00:44:49,330 --> 00:44:49,659 I mean, 1158 00:44:49,669 --> 00:44:50,469 that's the biggest thing, 1159 00:44:50,479 --> 00:44:51,330 Black Ice. 1160 00:44:51,340 --> 00:44:53,399 You don't notice Black Ice until it's too late. 1161 00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:53,969 Yeah, 1162 00:44:54,330 --> 00:44:55,290 100%. 1163 00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:55,669 And, 1164 00:44:55,780 --> 00:44:56,429 you know, 1165 00:44:56,610 --> 00:44:56,620 I, 1166 00:44:56,629 --> 00:45:01,790 I have very little personal experience with a lot of things that we talk about on this podcast. 1167 00:45:01,939 --> 00:45:01,949 Uh, 1168 00:45:01,959 --> 00:45:05,330 as far as driving is concerned but is with tire chains. 1169 00:45:05,469 --> 00:45:06,929 Uh I was actually on, 1170 00:45:06,939 --> 00:45:07,800 uh Cabbage Hill. 1171 00:45:07,810 --> 00:45:08,469 A lot of, 1172 00:45:08,479 --> 00:45:10,290 a lot of drivers know Cabbage Hill out here, 1173 00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:12,189 interstate 84 in Oregon. 1174 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:13,050 Um, 1175 00:45:13,060 --> 00:45:15,830 late at night and a we passed a, 1176 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:26,570 a log truck that had tire chains on and one of his chains snapped off his tire and flew around and hit the back window of the suburban I was in and completely shattered. 1177 00:45:26,580 --> 00:45:27,510 It blew it out. 1178 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:27,830 I mean, 1179 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:28,280 we're doing, 1180 00:45:28,290 --> 00:45:28,439 you know, 1181 00:45:28,449 --> 00:45:32,010 65 60 miles an hour up there and, 1182 00:45:32,020 --> 00:45:32,030 uh, 1183 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:32,620 very, 1184 00:45:32,629 --> 00:45:33,989 very scary ordeal, 1185 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,189 but maybe one that could have been prevented if that driver had checked his chains for, 1186 00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:38,209 uh, 1187 00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:38,969 you know, 1188 00:45:38,979 --> 00:45:40,850 for durability before that trip. 1189 00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:42,000 Yes. 1190 00:45:42,010 --> 00:45:42,469 Yes. 1191 00:45:42,540 --> 00:45:44,030 I always want to make sure they're tight, 1192 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,760 not loose and I wanna make sure that your extras always got a bungee cord on it. 1193 00:45:48,770 --> 00:45:49,840 So it's pulling it in. 1194 00:45:49,850 --> 00:45:53,280 So it doesn't sit there and fly in the wind for sure. 1195 00:45:53,479 --> 00:45:54,870 What other types of things, 1196 00:45:54,879 --> 00:45:54,889 uh, 1197 00:45:54,899 --> 00:45:58,870 should I be looking for if I've been on a mountain pass recently? 1198 00:45:58,879 --> 00:46:00,439 Maybe I just got finished, 1199 00:46:00,620 --> 00:46:00,629 uh, 1200 00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:02,399 with kind of a hairy drive. 1201 00:46:02,409 --> 00:46:03,800 II I made my, 1202 00:46:03,810 --> 00:46:03,820 uh, 1203 00:46:03,830 --> 00:46:04,600 my delivery. 1204 00:46:04,610 --> 00:46:06,489 Maybe I'm on a post trip inspection. 1205 00:46:06,770 --> 00:46:06,780 Uh, 1206 00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:09,969 is there anything that I should be keeping an eye out for, 1207 00:46:09,979 --> 00:46:09,989 uh, 1208 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,239 that the mountain pass could have caused on the truck? 1209 00:46:12,949 --> 00:46:13,260 Well, 1210 00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:13,820 you know, 1211 00:46:13,830 --> 00:46:16,939 if you're running through like snow or ice and stuff, 1212 00:46:16,949 --> 00:46:17,699 just make sure that, 1213 00:46:17,709 --> 00:46:17,979 you know, 1214 00:46:17,989 --> 00:46:21,379 you don't have build up everywhere that it shouldn't be, 1215 00:46:21,389 --> 00:46:21,659 you know, 1216 00:46:21,669 --> 00:46:25,639 between the dries sometimes you'll see it pack up the ice and snow, 1217 00:46:25,649 --> 00:46:26,889 build up in there. 1218 00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:30,340 Ice up on your windshield wiper blades, 1219 00:46:30,540 --> 00:46:32,120 wiper blades is your biggest thing. 1220 00:46:32,129 --> 00:46:35,080 Make sure you got a good set of wiper blades when winter comes. 1221 00:46:35,175 --> 00:46:35,824 So, 1222 00:46:35,834 --> 00:46:35,844 uh, 1223 00:46:36,455 --> 00:46:38,344 that ice does build up on there and, 1224 00:46:38,354 --> 00:46:38,864 you know, 1225 00:46:39,235 --> 00:46:40,824 get that stuff swept away, 1226 00:46:40,834 --> 00:46:44,895 make sure your defroster's working mirror heats everything on the trucks, 1227 00:46:44,905 --> 00:46:47,485 working in proper order for sure. 1228 00:46:47,495 --> 00:46:47,804 And, 1229 00:46:47,814 --> 00:46:47,824 uh, 1230 00:46:47,834 --> 00:46:48,695 make sure that, 1231 00:46:48,705 --> 00:46:48,715 uh, 1232 00:46:48,725 --> 00:46:50,294 that window washing fluid is, 1233

00:46:50,304 --> 00:46:50,314 uh, 1234 00:46:50,324 --> 00:46:50,905 filled up. 1235 00:46:50,915 --> 00:46:51,685 That's another one. 1236 00:46:51,695 --> 00:46:51,945 It's, 1237 00:46:51,955 --> 00:46:51,965 uh, 1238 00:46:51,975 --> 00:46:56,824 it's gross on your windshield after not very many miles in that type of weather. 1239 00:46:57,165 --> 00:46:57,185 Yeah. 1240 00:46:57,909 --> 00:46:58,520 Well, 1241 00:46:58,530 --> 00:46:59,179 Jim, 1242 00:46:59,189 --> 00:46:59,199 uh, 1243 00:46:59,209 --> 00:47:00,800 before I let you go here, 1244 00:47:00,810 --> 00:47:01,459 you know, 1245 00:47:01,469 --> 00:47:01,739 um, 1246 00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:04,649 I know that I'm gonna end up trading a few punches with, 1247 00:47:04,659 --> 00:47:04,669 uh, 1248 00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:05,629 with James, 1249 00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:05,770 uh, 1250 00:47:05,780 --> 00:47:07,379 over college football. 1251 00:47:07,389 --> 00:47:09,969 And I have to ask because I know you're a sports guy. 1252 00:47:10,209 --> 00:47:10,219 Uh, 1253 00:47:10,229 --> 00:47:13,959 are you ready for the Oregon Ducks to show up in the big 10 next year? 1254 00:47:14,649 --> 00:47:14,659 Oh, 1255 00:47:14,689 --> 00:47:15,780 I'm ready for it. 1256 00:47:15,790 --> 00:47:17,120 I'm ready for any, 1257 00:47:17,129 --> 00:47:19,110 anybody that wants to come out and play. 1258 00:47:19,310 --> 00:47:22,800 That's that attitude that out there in the Midwest is bringing on. 1259 00:47:22,919 --> 00:47:22,939 Uh, 1260 00:47:22,949 --> 00:47:23,600 you, 1261 00:47:23,610 --> 00:47:26,379 you guys haven't done anything to scare us in the last 10 years. 1262 00:47:26,959 --> 00:47:27,239 Yeah. 1263 00:47:27,250 --> 00:47:27,540 I don't, 1264 00:47:27,550 --> 00:47:30,929 I don't think they've done enough to scare anybody in the last 10 years. 1265 00:47:31,209 --> 00:47:31,620 Well, 1266 00:47:31,629 --> 00:47:34,689 we did get out of Ohio State with a win a couple of years ago. 1267 00:47:35,229 --> 00:47:36,169 That's good. 1268 00:47:37,070 --> 00:47:37,270 Yeah, 1269 00:47:37,290 --> 00:47:37,620 I mean, 1270 00:47:37,629 --> 00:47:39,639 has Nebraska done that any time recently? 1271 00:47:39,979 --> 00:47:40,330 Yeah. 1272 00:47:40,540 --> 00:47:40,929 Yeah. 1273 00:47:40,939 --> 00:47:44,280 I didn't really say much on that because I don't really, 1274 00:47:44,290 --> 00:47:46,139 I really don't boast for all of them. 1275 00:47:46,399 --> 00:47:47,129 I watch it. 1276 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:48,919 I don't really root for a certain side. 1277 00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:49,669 Ok. 1278 00:47:49,699 --> 00:47:50,110 All right. 1279 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:50,340 Well, 1280 00:47:50,350 --> 00:47:50,570 good. 1281 00:47:50,580 --> 00:47:53,110 Then we can still be friends then when 2024. 1282 00:47:54,030 --> 00:47:54,129 Yeah. 1283 00:47:54,699 --> 00:47:55,469 Awesome. 1284 00:47:56,260 --> 00:47:56,469 Well, 1285 00:47:56,479 --> 00:47:56,729 Jim, 1286 00:47:56,739 --> 00:47:58,100 I always appreciate the insight. 1287 00:47:58,110 --> 00:47:59,429 Thank you so much for your time. 1288 00:47:59,439 --> 00:47:59,449 Uh, 1289 00:47:59,459 --> 00:48:00,659 we'll be back in touch soon. 1290 00:48:00,669 --> 00:48:01,110 Ok. 1291 00:48:01,649 --> 00:48:01,800 Yeah, 1292 00:48:01,810 --> 00:48:02,340 no problem. 1293 00:48:02,530 --> 00:48:06,370 That's Jim Mus Service and equipment manager H and M trucking. 1294 00:48:09,149 --> 00:48:12,280 And now H and M President James Fonda, 1295 00:48:18,270 --> 00:48:21,040 we've given him a couple week break here from the podcast, 1296 00:48:21,050 --> 00:48:25,340 but it's time to get back to Hammer and please welcome President of H and M trucking. 1297 00:48:25,439 --> 00:48:27,080 James Fonda of the podcast. 1298 00:48:27,090 --> 00:48:27,479 How are we doing, 1299 00:48:27,489 --> 00:48:28,000 James? 1300 00:48:28,399 --> 00:48:28,639 Hey, 1301 00:48:28,649 --> 00:48:29,020 how's it going? 1302 00:48:29,479 --> 00:48:30,949 I can't complain, 1303 00:48:30,959 --> 00:48:31,209 man. 1304 00:48:31,219 --> 00:48:31,939 I never can. 1305 00:48:31,949 --> 00:48:38,020 There's nobody listening and you're just the wrong guy to complain to because you've got enough going on today. 1306 00:48:38,030 --> 00:48:40,489 We're talking about managing mountain passes and, 1307 00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:40,510 uh, 1308 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:41,409 we're getting ahead of it. 1309 00:48:41,419 --> 00:48:42,510 A little bit because, 1310 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:42,530 uh, 1311 00:48:42,540 --> 00:48:44,709 in talking to Dean in safety, 1312 00:48:44,860 --> 00:48:46,530 he told us a little bit about how, 1313 00:48:46,540 --> 00:48:46,679 you know, 1314 00:48:46,689 --> 00:48:49,350 chain requirements start to come into play. 1315 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:49,409 Uh, 1316 00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:55,260 early September for a lot of the mountain states been kind of talking to everybody about, 1317 00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:55,580 you know, 1318 00:48:55,590 --> 00:48:56,399 safety, 1319 00:48:56,409 --> 00:48:59,320 that type of thing maintenance when we talked to Jim from the shop, 1320 00:48:59,330 --> 00:49:01,659 but from the president of the company, 1321 00:49:01,669 --> 00:49:03,979 when it comes to managing mountain passes, 1322 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:04,580 what, 1323 00:49:04,590 --> 00:49:05,379 what advice, 1324 00:49:05,389 --> 00:49:08,620 what type of things would you pass on to your drivers since you've got the, 1325 00:49:08,629 --> 00:49:08,659 uh, 1326 00:49:08,669 --> 00:49:10,350 their open ear right now? 1327 00:49:10,899 --> 00:49:12,510 Don't try too hard. 1328 00:49:12,949 --> 00:49:14,919 A couple of years ago we had a driver that went up. 1329 00:49:14,929 --> 00:49:15,320 He, 1330 00:49:15,709 --> 00:49:17,270 I'm not sure why he did this. 1331 00:49:17,610 --> 00:49:19,260 He gave different reasons, 1332 00:49:19,739 --> 00:49:21,439 but essentially he went up, 1333

00:49:21,449 --> 00:49:21,510 uh, 1334 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:22,149 you know, 1335 00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:27,229 that the around like a road around the like Tahoe is not meant for semis, 1336 00:49:27,439 --> 00:49:27,889 right? 1337 00:49:27,899 --> 00:49:29,830 And long story short, 1338 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,790 he almost to himself off of a cliff. 1339 00:49:31,979 --> 00:49:32,590 So. 1340 00:49:32,620 --> 00:49:32,719 Oh, 1341 00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:33,709 wow. 1342 00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:33,729 I, 1343 00:49:33,739 --> 00:49:34,250 you know what, 1344 00:49:34,260 --> 00:49:37,610 I think we heard that story all the way back in the unplugged OTR days. 1345 00:49:37,620 --> 00:49:37,919 He was, 1346 00:49:37,929 --> 00:49:39,409 he was up a goat trail somewhere. 1347 00:49:39,419 --> 00:49:39,760 Did they have? 1348 00:49:39,770 --> 00:49:40,429 And he had to, 1349 00:49:40,439 --> 00:49:41,629 he couldn't turn around, 1350 00:49:41,639 --> 00:49:41,830 right. 1351 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,510 They had to pull him off the mountain backwards. 1352 00:49:44,250 --> 00:49:44,550 Yeah. 1353 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:44,790 Yeah. 1354 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:45,909 Not just saying they're like, 1355 00:49:45,919 --> 00:49:46,389 maybe like, 1356 00:49:46,489 --> 00:49:46,520 I, 1357 00:49:46,530 --> 00:49:47,050 I don't know, 1358 00:49:47,060 --> 00:49:47,669 there's other, 1359 00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:48,580 other trucks too. 1360 00:49:48,590 --> 00:49:50,149 But yeah, 1361 00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:50,939 it was, 1362 00:49:50,959 --> 00:49:50,969 uh, 1363 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,300 a deal and he was like, 1364 00:49:53,310 --> 00:49:53,320 oh, 1365 00:49:53,330 --> 00:49:54,280 I got redirected. 1366 00:49:54,290 --> 00:49:54,310 I, 1367 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,919 I promise you that pass? 1368 00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:59,449 Yeah, 1369 00:49:59,459 --> 00:49:59,939 that's right. 1370 00:49:59,949 --> 00:50:00,860 Because he said he had a call, 1371 00:50:01,149 --> 00:50:01,860 that's all you want. 1372 00:50:01,870 --> 00:50:03,379 But I'm gonna call bullshit. 1373 00:50:06,290 --> 00:50:06,300 Oh, 1374 00:50:06,310 --> 00:50:07,020 man. 1375 00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:07,290 Well, 1376 00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:07,459 you know, 1377 00:50:07,469 --> 00:50:08,159 we talked to, 1378 00:50:08,169 --> 00:50:08,179 uh, 1379 00:50:08,189 --> 00:50:11,560 Scott Beals and that was one thing that he touched on towards the end of, 1380 00:50:11,570 --> 00:50:11,580 uh, 1381 00:50:11,590 --> 00:50:13,189 his conversation with me was, 1382 00:50:13,489 --> 00:50:13,790 you know, 1383 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:14,000 what? 1384 00:50:14,010 --> 00:50:14,449 Don't, 1385 00:50:14,459 --> 00:50:14,469 uh, 1386 00:50:14,479 --> 00:50:15,899 don't put yourself up other, 1387 00:50:15,909 --> 00:50:23,300 against other drivers if you see another driver driving really fast on a mountain pass or maybe it's icy out or whatever just because he's doing, 1388 00:50:23,310 --> 00:50:25,129 it doesn't mean that you got to try to do it. 1389 00:50:25,750 --> 00:50:26,479 Right. 1390 00:50:26,489 --> 00:50:26,600 Right. 1391 00:50:26,610 --> 00:50:27,330 Just wait, 1392 00:50:27,659 --> 00:50:28,699 it'll pass. 1393 00:50:28,709 --> 00:50:29,540 Sure. 1394 00:50:29,550 --> 00:50:30,060 And, 1395 00:50:30,070 --> 00:50:30,649 you know, 1396 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,169 most of the guys have been around here. 1397 00:50:32,179 --> 00:50:32,379 They know, 1398 00:50:32,389 --> 00:50:32,689 like, 1399 00:50:32,699 --> 00:50:33,219 if, 1400 00:50:33,229 --> 00:50:33,239 uh, 1401 00:50:33,580 --> 00:50:41,020 if there's like AAA horrible storm that you're held up for more than a reasonable amount of time and I usually chip in some money, 1402 00:50:41,350 --> 00:50:41,360 uh, 1403 00:50:41,370 --> 00:50:42,919 to make sure that they're, 1404 00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:43,570 you know, 1405 00:50:43,580 --> 00:50:45,209 they can still eat and got some money. 1406 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:46,280 Sure. 1407 00:50:46,290 --> 00:50:46,669 Sure. 1408 00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:51,590 And I know that there was a big one last year out there in kind of I 80 going through Wyoming. 1409 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,020 There was a bunch of people that got stopped for a while last year. 1410 00:50:54,030 --> 00:50:55,199 We talked about that and, 1411 00:50:55,610 --> 00:50:55,870 you know, 1412 00:50:55,879 --> 00:50:56,189 it's, 1413 00:50:56,199 --> 00:50:57,030 it's good to know. 1414 00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:57,050 I, 1415 00:50:57,060 --> 00:50:59,820 I think that's one of the things I always ask the drivers. 1416 00:50:59,830 --> 00:50:59,919 Like, 1417 00:50:59,929 --> 00:51:06,850 what do you like about H and M and they take care of you is what I hear and I feel like that's a very broad term for, 1418 00:51:06,860 --> 00:51:08,209 for kind of what you're talking about. 1419 00:51:08,219 --> 00:51:08,350 Like, 1420 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,270 you kick them some money, 1421 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:09,530 you'll, 1422 00:51:09,540 --> 00:51:13,760 you'll take care of them when things that are out of their control befall them on their route. 1423 00:51:14,090 --> 00:51:14,270 Yeah, 1424 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:14,570 when it, 1425 00:51:14,580 --> 00:51:15,000 when it's, 1426 00:51:15,010 --> 00:51:15,229 you know, 1427 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:15,840 when it's like, 1428 00:51:15,850 --> 00:51:16,870 those excessive times, 1429 00:51:16,879 --> 00:51:17,100 like, 1430 00:51:17,110 --> 00:51:17,310 for, 1431 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:17,570 like, 1432 00:51:17,580 --> 00:51:19,919 four days they're shut down for. 1433 00:51:20,479 --> 00:51:21,179 And, 1434 00:51:21,479 --> 00:51:21,489 uh, 1435 00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:21,909 yeah, 1436 00:51:22,219 --> 00:51:22,520 um, 1437 00:51:22,530 --> 00:51:22,830 you know, 1438 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:23,570 but normal stuff, 1439 00:51:23,580 --> 00:51:25,070 like they all understand too, 1440

00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:25,419 like, 1441 00:51:25,860 --> 00:51:26,389 you know, 1442 00:51:26,399 --> 00:51:28,189 they stuff for one day. 1443 00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:28,379 It's, 1444 00:51:28,389 --> 00:51:28,929 well, 1445 00:51:29,550 --> 00:51:30,060 we're not, 1446 00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:30,739 it's like, 1447 00:51:30,750 --> 00:51:30,949 well, 1448 00:51:30,959 --> 00:51:32,439 why can't I just go south for, 1449 00:51:32,449 --> 00:51:32,620 or, 1450 00:51:32,629 --> 00:51:32,889 you know, 1451 00:51:32,899 --> 00:51:33,340 and get around. 1452 00:51:33,350 --> 00:51:33,679 It's like, 1453 00:51:33,689 --> 00:51:38,919 because the customers not paying that and especially in today's market where their rates are just dog shit, 1454 00:51:39,250 --> 00:51:39,439 not, 1455 00:51:39,449 --> 00:51:41,159 not gonna just pay to do dumb things. 1456 00:51:41,169 --> 00:51:41,629 So, 1457 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:42,649 you know, 1458 00:51:42,659 --> 00:51:42,929 there's, 1459 00:51:42,939 --> 00:51:44,550 there's just some give and take. 1460 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:44,800 Um, 1461 00:51:44,810 --> 00:51:45,330 and that's, 1462 00:51:45,340 --> 00:51:46,800 that's everything in the world. 1463 00:51:46,810 --> 00:51:47,139 So, 1464 00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:48,340 absolutely. 1465 00:51:48,350 --> 00:51:48,360 Uh, 1466 00:51:48,370 --> 00:51:48,379 I, 1467 00:51:48,389 --> 00:51:51,449 I guess with the freight market in general there's been a lot of, 1468 00:51:51,459 --> 00:51:51,469 uh, 1469 00:51:51,479 --> 00:51:52,520 a lot of give lately. 1470 00:51:52,530 --> 00:51:53,409 Not much take. 1471 00:51:53,419 --> 00:51:53,510 Huh? 1472 00:51:54,050 --> 00:51:54,649 Right. 1473 00:51:54,659 --> 00:51:54,989 Yeah, 1474 00:51:55,590 --> 00:51:56,909 I was gonna give you certain. 1475 00:51:57,340 --> 00:51:59,110 That's what Tim told us last week. 1476 00:51:59,120 --> 00:51:59,229 I'm, 1477 00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:00,649 I'm excited about it. 1478 00:52:00,659 --> 00:52:00,669 Uh, 1479 00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:01,030 you know, 1480 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,590 it's funny because you guys talked about going all the way back to spring and, 1481 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:06,870 and even before that, 1482 00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:09,389 a lot of you and when I say a lot of you, 1483 00:52:09,399 --> 00:52:09,649 I mean, 1484 00:52:09,739 --> 00:52:14,250 you and a bunch of other people that are very well tuned into the industry told me, 1485 00:52:14,260 --> 00:52:17,989 August where we feel like we're going to see the bottom in August and here we are. 1486 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,699 Last couple days of August got our first good news on the podcast about the market and God knows how long. 1487 00:52:23,709 --> 00:52:25,530 So I've got my fingers crossed. 1488 00:52:26,139 --> 00:52:26,399 I mean, 1489 00:52:26,409 --> 00:52:27,899 he's trying to get some movement on the, 1490 00:52:27,909 --> 00:52:29,159 on the brokerage side, 1491 00:52:29,570 --> 00:52:32,659 but it really like the last like week he's got a, 1492 00:52:32,669 --> 00:52:34,149 they've got a couple of wins over there. 1493 00:52:34,399 --> 00:52:34,929 But, 1494 00:52:34,939 --> 00:52:34,949 uh, 1495 00:52:34,959 --> 00:52:35,169 and, 1496 00:52:35,179 --> 00:52:35,419 you know, 1497 00:52:35,429 --> 00:52:37,050 there's been a little bit of movement now, 1498 00:52:37,060 --> 00:52:37,080 uh, 1499 00:52:37,090 --> 00:52:38,570 the last two days on, 1500 00:52:38,580 --> 00:52:39,260 on the, 1501 00:52:39,540 --> 00:52:40,979 on the asset side. 1502 00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:42,270 But right now it's, 1503 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:43,209 it's just still, 1504 00:52:43,439 --> 00:52:44,330 we're just waiting for, 1505 00:52:44,340 --> 00:52:44,459 you know, 1506 00:52:44,469 --> 00:52:46,429 these small guys just to fall out. 1507 00:52:48,530 --> 00:52:49,209 Well, 1508 00:52:49,219 --> 00:52:49,229 uh, 1509 00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:49,830 you know what, 1510 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,159 I'm a gambling man and I'm, 1511 00:52:51,169 --> 00:52:53,139 I would gamble on it at this point in time. 1512 00:52:53,149 --> 00:52:53,159 I, 1513 00:52:53,169 --> 00:52:54,100 I would say it's been, 1514 00:52:54,110 --> 00:52:55,699 it's been bad for so long. 1515 00:52:56,090 --> 00:52:57,239 Exactly. 1516 00:52:58,030 --> 00:52:58,459 In fact, 1517 00:52:58,469 --> 00:53:00,070 I'm going to Vegas in about a week, 1518 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:00,610 James. 1519 00:53:00,620 --> 00:53:01,479 And so, 1520 00:53:01,489 --> 00:53:01,500 uh, 1521 00:53:01,510 --> 00:53:01,780 you know, 1522 00:53:01,790 --> 00:53:03,550 if you've got any gambling advice, 1523 00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:03,879 any, 1524 00:53:03,889 --> 00:53:05,939 anything that's worked for you in the past, 1525 00:53:05,949 --> 00:53:09,239 I'd like to come home with a fat stack of cash to spend on my wife. 1526 00:53:09,250 --> 00:53:09,620 But, 1527 00:53:09,899 --> 00:53:09,909 uh, 1528 00:53:09,919 --> 00:53:11,540 it doesn't always happen that way. 1529 00:53:12,090 --> 00:53:12,610 You know, 1530 00:53:12,620 --> 00:53:12,639 I, 1531 00:53:12,649 --> 00:53:13,560 when I go there, 1532 00:53:13,570 --> 00:53:14,590 I just play blackjack, 1533 00:53:15,449 --> 00:53:16,719 I'll put too. 1534 00:53:16,750 --> 00:53:17,899 But blackjack, 1535 00:53:17,909 --> 00:53:18,360 you know, 1536 00:53:19,129 --> 00:53:19,580 you can just, 1537 00:53:19,590 --> 00:53:20,389 I can just plow, 1538 00:53:20,419 --> 00:53:20,729 you know, 1539 00:53:20,739 --> 00:53:22,169 sit the amputation for a few hours. 1540 00:53:22,179 --> 00:53:27,020 You typically sure you a poker player at all a little bit. 1541 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:27,860 Not as much. 1542 00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:28,699 See, 1543 00:53:28,709 --> 00:53:28,840 it's, 1544 00:53:28,850 --> 00:53:29,050 it's, 1545 00:53:29,060 --> 00:53:29,649 I would, 1546 00:53:29,659 --> 00:53:30,270 I would say, 1547 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:30,449

like, 1548 00:53:30,459 --> 00:53:31,699 if I just met you and, 1549 00:53:31,709 --> 00:53:34,899 and never really knew anything about you and hadn't asked that question, 1550 00:53:35,199 --> 00:53:37,409 I would guess you to be a poker player because it's, 1551 00:53:37,419 --> 00:53:38,629 it always looks like you're, 1552 00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:39,070 you know, 1553 00:53:39,310 --> 00:53:40,239 like you're scheming, 1554 00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:42,110 like you've got something going on back there, 1555 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:42,389 James, 1556 00:53:42,399 --> 00:53:43,780 like you're thinking three steps ahead. 1557 00:53:43,790 --> 00:53:45,449 That's a poker player's mentality. 1558 00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:45,679 I, 1559 00:53:45,699 --> 00:53:49,550 I like poker nights before IK I last one I did, 1560 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:50,389 Leslie made me, 1561 00:53:50,429 --> 00:53:50,659 she's like, 1562 00:53:50,669 --> 00:53:51,669 you need a poker night. 1563 00:53:51,820 --> 00:53:52,879 Uh We did one like, 1564 00:53:52,889 --> 00:53:53,120 I don't know, 1565 00:53:53,129 --> 00:53:54,010 last winter. 1566 00:53:54,260 --> 00:53:54,879 So it's been, 1567 00:53:54,889 --> 00:53:55,370 it's, 1568 00:53:55,399 --> 00:53:55,620 you know, 1569 00:53:55,629 --> 00:53:56,310 all my friends. 1570 00:53:56,489 --> 00:54:01,100 So I kind of like ones but once a while. 1571 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:01,340 So, 1572 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:02,229 yeah. 1573 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:02,739 No, 1574 00:54:02,750 --> 00:54:03,350 it's funny, 1575 00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:03,570 man, 1576 00:54:03,580 --> 00:54:03,750 you, 1577 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,270 you remind me that I enjoy poker. 1578 00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:07,030 Uh I mean, 1579 00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,830 I'm not gonna lie but, 1580 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:15,379 uh sometimes I feel like I'm playing a poker all the time. 1581 00:54:15,500 --> 00:54:16,449 Exactly. 1582 00:54:16,459 --> 00:54:17,449 That's what I was thinking. 1583 00:54:17,459 --> 00:54:17,639 Yeah. 1584 00:54:17,649 --> 00:54:17,979 You know, 1585 00:54:17,989 --> 00:54:23,399 my dad started taking me to his poker nights when I was like 10 just because it was like, 1586 00:54:23,409 --> 00:54:23,959 mom was like, 1587 00:54:23,969 --> 00:54:26,090 get this kid out of the house and my dad was like, 1588 00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:26,169 well, 1589 00:54:26,179 --> 00:54:27,350 I'm not missing poker, 1590 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,179 so I started really, 1591 00:54:29,189 --> 00:54:30,120 really young, 1592 00:54:30,129 --> 00:54:35,689 uh getting to know the game and everything like that and it's just a miracle at this point that I'm not a degenerate gambler. 1593 00:54:35,699 --> 00:54:36,330 So, 1594 00:54:36,340 --> 00:54:38,060 uh I guess we're winning somewhere. 1595 00:54:38,070 --> 00:54:39,070 That's the way to look at it. 1596 00:54:39,590 --> 00:54:40,310 There you go. 1597 00:54:40,939 --> 00:54:42,459 And speaking of winning

somewhere, 1598 00:54:42,469 --> 00:54:42,479 uh, 1599 00:54:42,489 --> 00:54:44,429 I'm gonna win on the football field this weekend. 1600 00:54:44,439 --> 00:54:44,770 We got a, 1601 00:54:44,780 --> 00:54:44,790 uh, 1602 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,229 high school JV team coming to play the Ducks. 1603 00:54:47,469 --> 00:54:47,530 Uh, 1604 00:54:47,540 --> 00:54:49,590 what do you got going on out there in, 1605 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:49,610 uh, 1606 00:54:49,620 --> 00:54:49,790 in, 1607 00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,149 in Nebraska and Lincoln? 1608 00:54:51,159 --> 00:54:53,060 You got any big games you're going to this weekend? 1609 00:54:53,330 --> 00:54:54,310 I think, 1610 00:54:55,100 --> 00:54:55,360 you know, 1611 00:54:55,370 --> 00:54:56,590 I wasn't really paying attention. 1612 00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,030 I just realized it got snuck up on me. 1613 00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:58,719 We played at night, 1614 00:54:58,729 --> 00:54:59,439 played the go, 1615 00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:02,790 well, 1616 00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:03,780 you know, 1617 00:55:03,810 --> 00:55:03,820 uh, 1618 00:55:03,830 --> 00:55:03,840 I, 1619 00:55:03,850 --> 00:55:06,270 I really don't know what to think. 1620 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:07,060 I think that, 1621 00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:07,149 uh, 1622 00:55:07,590 --> 00:55:07,760 you know, 1623 00:55:07,770 --> 00:55:08,719 a new coach, 1624 00:55:08,729 --> 00:55:08,889 you know, 1625 00:55:08,899 --> 00:55:09,229 every, 1626 00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,320 every Nebraska coach for the first time they've ever put Minnesota would be Minnesota. 1627 00:55:13,870 --> 00:55:14,639 So, 1628 00:55:14,649 --> 00:55:15,600 on that note, 1629 00:55:15,610 --> 00:55:16,840 who the hell knows? 1630 00:55:16,850 --> 00:55:17,520 Um, 1631 00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:18,909 well, 1632 00:55:18,919 --> 00:55:20,090 here's something you can bet on. 1633 00:55:20,649 --> 00:55:22,689 Minnesota has been pretty good for the last few years. 1634 00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:23,010 Yeah, 1635 00:55:23,020 --> 00:55:24,889 they have PJ fleck out there. 1636 00:55:24,899 --> 00:55:25,949 He's a good coach. 1637 00:55:25,959 --> 00:55:26,169 Uh, 1638 00:55:26,179 --> 00:55:26,669 you know, 1639 00:55:27,050 --> 00:55:29,000 here's something you can bet on. 1640 00:55:29,060 --> 00:55:30,209 Like Nebraska. 1641 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:30,379 I mean, 1642 00:55:30,479 --> 00:55:31,070 it's not like, 1643 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:31,320 I mean, 1644 00:55:31,330 --> 00:55:32,159 I like to go to Oregon. 1645 00:55:32,169 --> 00:55:32,260 You know, 1646 00:55:32,270 --> 00:55:32,709 they're like, 1647 00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:33,270 they're like a tier, 1648 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:34,320 they're like a lower tier. 1649 00:55:34,330 --> 00:55:34,570 Like, 1650 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:35,850 I mean, 1651 00:55:35,860 --> 00:55:36,830 you keep saying that, 1652 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:37,860 but I'm curiously, 1653 00:55:37,870 --> 00:55:41,449 I see one person in the preseason rankings and I don't see the other. 1654 00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:43,149 You'll be down there soon. 1655 00:55:45,219 --> 00:55:45,649 Well, 1656 00:55:45,659 --> 00:55:51,909 all I was gonna say is there's one thing you can bet on and that's that you and I are gonna trade punches for the entire college football season. 1657 00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,129 And I'll be honest with you, 1658 00:55:53,139 --> 00:55:53,879 I can't wait. 1659 00:55:53,889 --> 00:55:55,209 It's my favorite time of the year. 1660 00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:56,139 Oh, 1661 00:55:56,149 --> 00:55:56,439 yes, 1662 00:55:56,449 --> 00:55:57,090 I am. 1663 00:55:57,100 --> 00:55:58,919 I'm more eager for next year. 1664 00:55:58,959 --> 00:55:59,879 I'm only like, 1665 00:55:59,889 --> 00:56:00,100 saying, 1666 00:56:00,110 --> 00:56:01,000 let's skip this year. 1667 00:56:01,010 --> 00:56:02,610 Let's just move on to next year. 1668 00:56:02,649 --> 00:56:03,510 Bring your, 1669 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,830 bring your happy ass over here to the big 10. 1670 00:56:06,439 --> 00:56:06,820 So, 1671 00:56:06,830 --> 00:56:08,250 so you get beat up a little bit. 1672 00:56:08,709 --> 00:56:09,169 Hey, 1673 00:56:09,179 --> 00:56:09,729 if your, 1674 00:56:09,739 --> 00:56:10,489 if your, 1675 00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:10,510 uh, 1676 00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,280 if your grandma lives in Lincoln, 1677 00:56:13,580 --> 00:56:14,100 ok. 1678 00:56:14,419 --> 00:56:17,610 I'm gonna steal a little line from one of my favorite football movies. 1679 00:56:17,620 --> 00:56:17,629 Uh, 1680 00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:18,649 Varsity blues here. 1681 00:56:18,659 --> 00:56:20,270 But if your grandma lives in Lincoln, 1682 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,709 tell her to batten down the hatches because the ducks are coming to burn her house down. 1683 00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:24,219 All right, 1684 00:56:27,879 --> 00:56:28,889 it's gonna be fun, 1685 00:56:28,899 --> 00:56:29,219 James. 1686 00:56:29,229 --> 00:56:30,439 I'm looking forward to it. 1687 00:56:30,550 --> 00:56:32,899 Uh I'm gonna let you get off here and get back to it. 1688 00:56:32,909 --> 00:56:35,139 Thank you so much for your time today and we'll talk to you soon. 1689 00:56:35,149 --> 00:56:35,679 Ok? 1690 00:56:42,060 --> 00:56:43,540 I just love having music. 1691 00:56:43,550 --> 00:56:45,060 Take me from segment to segment. 1692 00:56:45,070 --> 00:56:49,919 If I could give you one piece of advice as a guy that does what I do, 1693 00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:50,800 it would be, 1694 00:56:50,810 --> 00:56:53,860 get yourself some music to walk around to like, 1695 00:56:53,870 --> 00:56:56,969 even if it's just a base slide when you walk into a door, 1696 00:56:56,979 --> 00:56:59,429 like in Jay and Silent Bob strike back like, 1697 00:57:00,330 --> 00:57:02,510 or maybe a Seinfeld type thing. 1698 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:03,120 I don't know, 1699 00:57:03,129 --> 00:57:04,520 maybe a rim shot like, 1700 00:57:04,530 -->

00:57:04,979 but, 1701 00:57:05,060 --> 00:57:05,070 uh, 1702 00:57:05,090 --> 00:57:05,500 you know, 1703 00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:07,260 every time you walk into a room, 1704 00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:10,050 maybe you're a jokester and you just like that. 1705 00:57:10,129 --> 00:57:10,139 Uh, 1706 00:57:10,350 --> 00:57:10,600 you know, 1707 00:57:10,610 --> 00:57:11,850 you're always telling jokes, 1708 00:57:11,860 --> 00:57:13,639 like you come into a room and you just get, 1709 00:57:14,729 --> 00:57:15,820 that'd be kind of cool. 1710 00:57:15,830 --> 00:57:16,320 I don't know. 1711 00:57:16,860 --> 00:57:19,590 I'm gonna get to thinking about some things and you guys have to listen. 1712 00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:20,790 That's just the way that this goes. 1713 00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:28,669 Thank you for downloading episode 26 of the H and M Trucking Podcast all about managing mountain passes. 1714 00:57:28,810 --> 00:57:30,120 I want to remind you, 1715 00:57:30,129 --> 00:57:30,139 uh, 1716 00:57:30,149 --> 00:57:34,699 some advice that we got from not only company president James Fonda, 1717 00:57:34,709 --> 00:57:35,560 but also, 1718 00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:35,649 uh, 1719 00:57:35,659 --> 00:57:37,679 driver Scottie Beals. 1720 00:57:38,030 --> 00:57:39,500 If you don't feel comfortable, 1721 00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:42,300 just don't try it when it comes to mountain passes. 1722 00:57:42,310 --> 00:57:42,659 All right, 1723 00:57:42,669 --> 00:57:49,560 don't watch the guy in the lane next to you and think you can do what he does if you're not comfortable out there and you're unsure of it in any way, 1724 00:57:49,570 --> 00:57:50,459 shape or form. 1725 00:57:50,659 --> 00:57:52,959 Just call it quits for the day, 1726 00:57:52,969 --> 00:57:53,939 call your dispatcher, 1727 00:57:53,949 --> 00:57:56,600 call your driver manager and figure out, 1728 00:57:56,610 --> 00:57:56,620 uh, 1729 00:57:56,629 --> 00:58:02,780 some type of work around and don't let that work around be driving up the side of a mountain, 1730 00:58:03,020 --> 00:58:04,864 all these things and badly. 1731 00:58:04,875 --> 00:58:04,895 I, 1732 00:58:04,905 --> 00:58:06,024 I promise you that. 1733 00:58:06,034 --> 00:58:09,225 So that's what we've learned today in this episode. 1734 00:58:09,235 --> 00:58:11,625 And I just want to say thanks to Jim Mussel, 1735 00:58:11,635 --> 00:58:14,284 James Fonda Scott Beals and of course, 1736 00:58:14,294 --> 00:58:23,564 Dean Edmonds for coming on this episode and helping us out next week's episode is going to be that hot fire as the kids would say. 1737 00:58:23,574 --> 00:58:23,665 Well, 1738 00:58:23,675 --> 00:58:24,764 they don't say that anymore. 1739 00:58:24,774 --> 00:58:26,264 They'd probably say it's like no, 1740 00:58:26,274 --> 00:58:27,405 no cap or something. 1741 00:58:27,584 --> 00:58:28,784 I don't speak the language. 1742 00:58:28,794 --> 00:58:29,834 I'm pushing 40. 1743 00:58:30,135 --> 00:58:33,300 But next week's episode is all about the driver. 1744 00:58:33,310 --> 00:58:36,530 We got another driver appreciation episode coming up next week, 1745 00:58:36,540 --> 00:58:38,770 it's drivers from wall to wall. 1746 00:58:38,780 --> 00:58:42,120 And I'm always looking forward to talking to more H and M drivers. 1747 00:58:42,129 --> 00:58:42,530 So, 1748 00:58:42,540 --> 00:58:46,479 if you're interested in being on that episode now is the time to reach out. 1749 00:58:46,489 --> 00:58:47,020 Ok, 1750 00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:50,949 I'm scheduling them right now as we speak and I want to talk to you. 1751 00:58:50,959 --> 00:58:52,675 If you're out there listening to me, 1752 00:58:52,685 --> 00:58:54,935 don't forget to like and subscribe to the podcast. 1753 00:58:54,945 --> 00:58:57,475 Subscribing doesn't cost you one red cent, 1754 00:58:57,554 --> 00:59:05,834 but it will tell you every single time we have a new episode which don't forget is Wednesday's 5 a.m. central time. 1755 00:59:05,844 --> 00:59:06,915 You guys have been great. 1756 00:59:06,925 --> 00:59:07,895 It's been real. 1757 00:59:07,905 --> 00:59:08,965 It's been fun, 1758 00:59:09,094 --> 00:59:10,114 but I gotta go. 1759 00:59:10,125 --> 00:59:11,074 It's dinner time. 1760 00:59:11,084 --> 00:59:12,534 Stay fresh cheese bags. 1761 00:59:17,179 --> 00:59:20,209 Thank you for listening to the H and M Trucking podcast. 1762 00:59:20,219 --> 00:59:21,590 Please leave a review. 1763 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:27,229 Subscribe and connect with Marcus over at the H and M trucking social media channels. 1764 00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:29,610 And if you're considering a job at H and M, 1765 00:59:29,620 --> 00:59:32,510 find us at HM trucking dot com. 1766 00:59:32,620 --> 00:59:34,199 Until next time, 1767 00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:37,290 stay safe and ahead of the curve drivers.