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through into the catacombs underneath. 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:42.800 And Edinburgh, as I say, there's built on several layers, and so that's quite believable that that could happen. 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:50.319 And that is believed what triggered a set of hoter guised type incidents. 00:04:50.480 --> 00:05:03.920 These these incidents mainly revolve around people feeling they've been attacked physically with you know scars, scratches, burns, um, bruising around the neck and everything. 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:05.120 That's how it started. 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:06.319 That's how it started. 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:16.560 Now, the the real entry point in the story, and of course, we we have to look at was this done for tourism, but the way this unfolds, it looks beyond that. 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:22.800 There was uh we have Edinburgh ghost tours uh around haunted places in Edinburgh, you know. 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:28.160 So it would really suit the guy that was running this tour for this place to turn out to be super haunted. 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:30.959 But I've seen a lot of documentary footage on him. 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:32.879 He was actually quite a skeptic about this at first. 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:45.439 His name was Jan Andrew Henderson, and uh he was doing the City of the Dead tours, and he had exclusive access to uh this this where this prison was and taking tourists in it. 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:57.199 And then one night when he was doing a tour, somebody collapsed on the tour in front of him, brought them around, they had bruising on the arms and the neck, and they said they felt an overwhelming presence. 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:03.439 He described it as saying it looked like they were hit by a by a bat and knocked over, and that was the start of it. 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:05.519 Even then, he's still skeptic. 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:11.360 But this happened a couple more times when he was doing tours around this particular place. 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:14.879 So then the local press, Edinburgh Even News got involved. 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:18.959 And by the way, the Edinburgh Even News is not like a tabloid paper, it's very conservative. 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:22.240 So they would be extremely skeptical about this kind of stuff. 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:29.839 But they they they went up to, you know, investigate, see what was happening, and it suddenly exploded in the Scottish press. 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:36.720 People sending in endless photographs, uh, you know, scratches, burns, bruising around the neck, all that kind of stuff. 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:37.920 Any of the Enread News. 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:39.680 We we can't verify any of it. 00:06:39.759 --> 00:06:42.240 People could have done this to themselves, no problem at all. 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:44.399 But uh, but it but but the thing blew up. 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:50.240 The thing blew up, and so then it was decided by it was the editor, the news themselves, the the paper. 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:56.639 So they they can uh they contacted uh genuine, what do we call them, spiritualist? 00:06:56.720 --> 00:06:58.000 That's probably another right word. 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:05.360 A qualified reverend, uh respected reverend to come and exercise this place. 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:08.560 Oh no, I should say, while yeah, this is a side story. 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:16.639 While this exorcism was happening, they had uh an Edinburgh Evening News photographer there taking photos of this guy conducting the exorcism. 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:22.720 And then the next day, the photographer, again, they're not a sensationalist newspaper news. 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:28.480 They've caught this one photograph of the of uh what's what I'm I need to find the man's name. 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:32.079 It's uh was oh goodness, I've not noted it down. 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:33.360 Uh I should have. 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:38.079 Uh anyway, the guy doing the exorcism, this spiritualist. 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:40.639 Um, behind them, there's a window. 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:46.480 And the photographer's taking photos, and behind them, the next day in the photos, the photographer found this image. 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:51.920 I've seen this image, and people should go and Google this related to the Mackenzie Porter guys. 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:54.959 And it looks like there's a figure watching from the window. 00:07:55.199 --> 00:08:04.240 Now, the photographer went back the next day and checked every angle, every way that a statue or something could have caused a shadow and could find nothing. 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:07.439 And even the photographer was kind of spooked in this documentary. 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:10.639 This is when things started to escalate in his documentary that started to make me interesting. 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:12.959 I was like, this is starting to get some interesting places. 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:19.680 So the man, I think the man that conducted the exorcism was spiritualist, George, and as I say, a qualified reverend. 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:29.759 And uh about two weeks later, well, on the night he was conducting the exorcism, he's he well, he staggered out of the graveyard that night saying he felt overwhelmed. 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:37.279 He said if he felt he kept conducting this exorcism, there was a presence of evil there that would put his life at risk. 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:40.399 Okay, this is this is documented, this was seen in front of witnesses. 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:43.360 And was the two weeks later exorcism on McKenzie? 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:47.039 Sorry, uh yeah, so an exorcism on the McKenzie Poltergeist, yeah. 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:54.399 And uh just on, but not on McKenzie herself, she wasn't the one receiving uh the McKenzie pollergeist. 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:56.559 Um, that's sorry, that is George McKenzie. 00:08:56.639 --> 00:09:00.080 This good I should have had this noted the

name of this exorcist. 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:10.000 I thought I had it in front of me, but um no, he was trying to exorcise the McKenzie Poltergeist, which is you know steeped in all this wicked man folklore. 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:14.320 And on the night that he was doing it, and it's well photographed, you can you can find it online. 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:19.440 Uh, he refused to enter the tomb where this guy's buried, where many of these incidents are happening. 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:22.799 Because he said he felt overwhelmed by the presence of evil. 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:27.600 And he and he also said, I feel if I continue, this this could kill me. 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:29.600 Quite an extreme thing to say. 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:31.120 Quite an extreme thing to say. 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:31.679 Yeah. 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:42.960 So a couple of weeks later, he was involved in performing a seance in a in a clairvoyant shop in Edinburgh, and he suddenly became very weak. 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:52.480 And he approached a person that was there and said, and this is documented, and this is with witnesses, I have no more good news, I've only got bad news. 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:54.720 And then he died of a heart attack. 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:57.600 Right there, yeah, right there, right there. 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:08.240 And uh, I found that like that's that's quite uh, you know, it's that's that's a potent piece of that story, but it doesn't even end there. 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:23.120 Um the the ghost tour guy by this point, all I'm trying to, I'm not shooting my ladies, all his employees, and I'm talking about 20 odd people, resigned from the job of doing ghost tours around around this graveyard. 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:24.720 They were like they wanted nothing to do with it. 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:33.919 This this was really escalating a situation that was beginning to frighten people, and uh so um Jan Anderson. 00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:45.120 Whilst he was away from he he decided to become quite obsessed with the case and decided writing a book on it, uh, only to return one home one day and find his entire uh you call it an apartment. 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:57.600 It's uh it's a block of flats that we have in Edinburgh, we call tenements, and his place was burnt out entirely, everything gone, and yet nothing was damaged around that apartment. 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:03.759 And and I this this was a tricky one to to investigate on chat GPT. 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:04.960 I I looked at it. 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:09.519 How how tricky is it to fraudulently burn down your apartment? 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:16.080 In case you could be making money or something, and of course you got a warning at first from from okay going, don't burn down your house if that's what you're thinking. 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:22.159 I'm like, no, I'm trying to find out if if this is an easy thing to cover, and it's not, and it's not anyway. 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:33.919 The the the the inspectors could find no source of the fire that that that that burn out every all all the evidence, all the all the writing that he'd be doing, and his and his entire livelihood was gone. 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:35.120 And so he left. 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:37.200 He he he's in Australia now. 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:44.159 Uh so he went as far away as you could go to get away from this kind of story, and that that was in the documentary as well. 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:47.440 He he doesn't do ghost tours or anything anymore. 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:55.840 Uh but he does speak openly in documentary about how much it escalated and how much it unsettled him and and his life, you know. 00:11:56.320 --> 00:12:13.519 I mean, you see all of that happening when you see so many people involved, and that's I guess that's something I could tag in Lady Till here about when I'm thinking about reverence, um, people just going through the graveyard tour guides and everything, where would a paranormal investigator even start or get involved in that? 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:20.320 And then no one's thinking to tap into paranormal investigators, which is crazy to me, but it seems like that would be a specialty. 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:26.320 But I think when people are moving so much in fear and you know, fear of the unknown, you just don't even know where to start. 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:27.919 But like, what's what's your thoughts on it? 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:31.120 Everything, where would you have started if you were getting involved? 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:35.919 This was in the 1999, 2000s, right? 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:36.639 Yeah. 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:45.840 So paranormal investigating was around, but maybe not exactly what we think of it today. 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:51.840 Um, and I'm not sure, I can't really speak to how popular it is in Edinburgh. 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:59.519 Um, so that is also a consideration in the States, it's really big, but in Europe it might not be as big. 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:07.919 But I know here um paranormal investigators will work with exorcists, psychics, and whoever is on the case. 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:16.559 So um, and it sounds like they probably, if they're doing ghost tours, they've probably worked with paranormal investigators at some point on this. 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:27.519 Um, I think the part that is strange um is I think the guy's name was Colin Grant that you were talking about, John. 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:27.840 Yeah. 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:37.840 So that part with him passing away and spooking everybody, and then nobody really like researching it after is kind of weird. 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:43.440 Um, because normally if somebody were to pass away, then they would do even more research. 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:47.039 So it must have really frightened some people. 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:58.799 And um, I dropped in the chat if anybody wanted to look and see, like those are

all pictures from documented scratches that various people got while they were there. 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:05.919 So it's pretty, I mean, there like John was saying, there's a lot of documentation, which is crazy. 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:15.679 That's me drawing, I'm drawing notes over here because like um I wanted to definitely Google those images and maybe share them with our community and everything if possible. 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:30.960 Um, because there's with so much documented physical evidence and so many people involved, especially over 20 employees leaving, it just seems like there's so much to dig into and this traveled like in many ways. 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:34.879 We don't know where all those employees went, you know, one by one. 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:38.240 And they're definitely telling people about like, so what was your last job like? 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:39.840 Well, let me tell you. 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:50.320 Yeah, I think also because the guy who is supposedly the poltergeist, he's a pretty awful person. 00:14:50.720 --> 00:15:03.519 So you have that, you know, you got all that trauma from all the history, and and then now all of these people are experiencing their own trauma on top of that. 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:13.600 And I know um, I don't want to spoil it, but we'll be getting into like some psychological aspects of hauntings and everything later in the episode. 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:25.200 So yeah, it's a I actually had only heard about this particular um story through like friends of friends, so I never got to hear all the details. 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:27.120 So I appreciate you sharing, John. 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:28.639 No problem, yeah. 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:31.120 I wish I I should have remembered calling Grant's name. 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:33.919 I thought I would have that in front of me and I apologize for that. 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:36.000 But yeah, and no disrespect to that man. 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:44.720 He seemed like a very plausible character in Amongst Us, and yeah, I find that a little bit unsettling as well. 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:45.360 Yeah. 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:47.120 Yeah, definitely. 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:48.639 And no apologies necessary. 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:49.840 That's why we're a team. 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:51.519 I think that was excellent, excellent. 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:59.200 Unless you had anything else to you know wrap up there with John, I think Lady Teal just gave us a great segue to our next topic. 00:15:59.919 --> 00:16:01.840 All good, all good by me. 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:02.799 Perfect. 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:04.320 Take it away, man. 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:23.600 Well, we are going to travel from Scotland all the way over to Connecticut, and we're going to go back in time a little bit to the 1980s, and everybody is very familiar with uh the movies The Conjuring, I'm sure. 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:25.919 Have you guys seen The Conjuring series? 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:27.519 Top the bottom. 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:38.799 So it is one of my favorite um horror ghost story, poltergeist story series of movies that are out. 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:45.600 But um, I think the truth is a little bit different, and I think we're still trying to uncover a lot of the truth too. 00:16:45.759 --> 00:17:06.960 So I'm gonna go back to the 1980s here, and uh we're going to talk about uh an 11-year-old boy named David who all of a sudden starts seeing things, and it's not your typical monster under the bed type of things, it is a decaying old man who's snarling and threatening him. 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:12.319 And he's also telling him that he's going to hurt his family if they stay in that house. 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:15.440 And as an 11-year-old, that's pretty frightening. 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:19.440 I would be scared if I saw an old guy coming at me like that. 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:28.240 So, first, everybody just assumes it's like a kid with an overactive imagination. 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:30.480 Maybe he's getting some bad dreams. 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:35.599 Um, but then it starts escalating and then he starts having convulsions. 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:46.079 Um, then he starts getting scratches, he's being choked, he's being literally thrown around the rooms by an invisible force. 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:51.759 And I think one of the creepy parts to me is that his voice starts to change. 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:57.920 Um, instead of an 11-year-old boy voice, he starts sounding like an old man or a monster. 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:04.720 Um, of course, the family's terrified, and they go and find a priest. 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:08.319 Um, and they that doesn't exactly work. 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:19.920 So they go and find Ed and Lorraine Warren, who um we all know are famous um exorcists and also paranormal investigators. 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:41.440 Um so now the Warrens are investigating this, and I'm gonna fast forward a little bit um for the sake of time, but they get an actual Catholic exorcism approved, which if you know anything about Catholicism, getting an exorcism approved is actually a lot of paperwork. 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:47.359 So the the church isn't just like handing out exorcisms like candy. 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:53.440 Yeah, they they view those that do it as the most, I guess, certified for lack of a better word. 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:55.519 Like, you know, anyone can't do this. 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:58.559 If it didn't come for us, it's not real, you're not doing it. 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:00.960 Someone could get hurt, you know, all that sort of stuff. 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:04.400 So it's almost like the medical field almost. 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:08.480 I don't know if I'm giving like a you know analogy to it or anything. 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:09.119 Yeah. 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:10.240 Yeah, yeah. 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:14.319 They they definitely take it extremely

seriously. 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:31.200 So then um, as we advance in the story, then Arnie Johnson comes in, and Arnie is engaged to David's older sister, and so they're you know, watching David go through all of this, and they obviously want to help. 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:43.359 So he actually grabs David during one of his episodes and starts yelling at whatever it is, saying, Leave the boy alone, take me, take me instead. 00:19:43.839 --> 00:19:47.359 And according to everyone, it worked. 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:55.839 The entity switched from David's body to Arnie's body, and then the convulsions just stopped. 00:19:56.319 --> 00:19:59.759 And the Warrens called this a transmigration. 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:05.920 So, this is the idea that a possessing spirit can jump from one body to another body. 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:09.680 Um, and everybody thinks all is good. 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:12.400 Uh David's fine, case closed. 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:16.079 Then Arnie all of a sudden is not fine. 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:20.880 So Arnie starts acting weird, people start noticing changes in him. 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:30.799 Uh, he get gets into the trance states, and then we get to 1981, February 16th, where Arnie has fianc fine. 00:20:31.119 --> 00:20:32.640 Oh my goodness, I can't talk. 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:35.440 Fiance, Debbie. 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:36.400 Be careful. 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:38.640 She's traveling, be careful. 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:42.160 My brain's trying. 00:20:43.599 --> 00:20:53.359 Um, so they were all having pizza together, and the their landlord, 40-year-old man named Alan Bono, was there. 00:20:53.519 --> 00:21:01.839 And at some point during this party, um, Alan grabs a young girl who is here, and Arnie just snaps. 00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:08.960 He proceeds to grab a knife and stabs the landlord, Alan, over 20 times. 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:12.960 He, of course, dies, and Arnie is arrested. 00:21:13.279 --> 00:21:32.640 And this is the first case where a uh trial is using the um what I'm gonna forget the word, the defense attorney uses the argument that Arnie was not responsible because he was being possessed by a demon. 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:41.200 So, like when you say not guilty because X, Y, and Z, he said not guilty because I was possessed by a demon. 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:46.079 And this is like the first time a case has gone to trial where they've used that excuse. 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:50.880 But then it gets shut down because it's not scientific. 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:58.880 So they don't know, like you can't scientifically prove that somebody's been possessed by a demon. 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:05.359 Um So that's where it gets like kind of fascinating from the legal side of things. 00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:08.640 But he was sentenced to 10 to 20 years. 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:10.880 Um he only served five. 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:21.759 And now, if we fast forward to today, everybody has different opinions on what exactly happened. 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:29.920 Um, because even some of the family don't believe that David, the original kid, was actually possessed. 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:38.319 Um there's theories that the mom was actually sedating him with a drug that made him get into those trance-like states. 00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:54.720 And then there's also um theories that Ed and Lorraine kind of like pushed the family to do this for the movies and for the um like for the storytelling and for fame and everything. 00:22:54.880 --> 00:23:00.319 So we have all these theories that maybe it actually wasn't a possession. 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:02.319 I'm curious what y'all think. 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:04.880 I'll let you start, John. 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:08.240 Okay, so I I'm familiar with this story. 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:11.599 Well, what what stuff are we watching at night to keep us awake like this, right? 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:19.759 But I uh no, I I think I've seen a documentary on this, and and it's been a little while. 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:43.119 But what's springing to mind is other witnesses in this story seeing visible changes of perhaps, like real switches uh in periods around this was happening, but that doesn't just immediately say uh demonic possession, that could say uh mental health, uh considered you know it's a mental health thing going on. 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:48.160 Uh, I certainly remember watched dog men find it interesting that that was presenting as a defense. 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:53.359 Do we do we know much more about why why the sentence was reduced so much? 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:59.680 Uh to me, that would say, well, it was considered a psychiatric case and he he wasn't in control of his faculties. 00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:04.880 Um, but I'm not sure, does anybody know anything as to why the the sentence was was reduced so much? 00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:17.920 I I actually didn't do a whole lot of research into that side of thing, um, but I think it was just good behavior from what I remember. 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:24.480 Um because he served he served almost five years. 00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:28.880 I think it was like four years and 11 or four years and 10 months. 00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:37.680 And then it basically came down to how he was acting behind bars, and he was a good person, I guess. 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:42.880 So um, yeah, I believe that was the case as well. 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:50.160 Um, if I remember right, doing some quick research, and then also um certain parts of the movie that were accurate. 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:54.960 Um, he didn't try to run away per se, he was just gone. 00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:58.319 So that was to them kind of okay, that's odd. 00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:03.119 Like you just did this a very violent crime, 20 stabbings and all of that. 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:06.400 And then you're not even trying to get away, so that's a gap. 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:11.359 And then when

he was being um, when he was arrested, he didn't try to say I didn't do it. 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:13.279 Just like, yeah, that was me. 00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:14.640 I did it, you know. 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:30.640 And there, Ed and Lorraine were more so about the exorcism and everything, which goes to Lady Till point of uh people bringing them into it, like, oh, they talked them into doing this for the sake of fame and all of that, because they're like, it was the devil made you do it, right? 00:25:30.799 --> 00:26:08.480 So we were a little out of control, but he was always a more um timid or nice or whatever type of word you want to put on it, and that goes to the uh I'll say irony, I don't know the right word to use here, of the difference between when you're talking about mental health and everything, like John said, there are a lot of things where you can't necessarily scientifically prove it, you know, that a person is this, there's plenty of things there are, but then when it comes to um the devil making you do this or anything like that, it's not classified as mental health, it's classified as like, oh, you're just lying about possession. 00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:21.359 You know, there's just a gap in the mentality of what they you know persecuted him for, but that goes that goes to the fear of the unknown and kind of just everything we're talking about with a lot of these stories is just like scary. 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:21.839 Yeah. 00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:23.039 Can I come in on that, Ron? 00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:28.960 So I I I work uh in community engagement, I teach creative writing, and I work with mental health groups. 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:39.279 And this idea that a person's uh personality can fracture and it can be one person in one moment and another person in another moment, it is quite that's a myth. 00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:43.279 That's that's not how more extreme mental health affects people. 00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:49.599 And and and I am dredging up memory from from watching this, but I'm sure I watched a documentary about this. 00:26:49.920 --> 00:27:05.279 That was the unsettling element of it, is that people that knew this person well saw real personality, persona, everything change about them and going from one state to another. 00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:14.079 And so I wouldn't, you know, I'm not saying that couldn't be mental health, but I would I wouldn't just go, that's a typical example of mental health. 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:20.720 That's not how uh more acute cases of mental health actually affect people, and that's something I find interesting. 00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:24.160 100% wordy perfectly. 00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:34.480 Yeah, it is it is weird, and he does like he did mention that he was having blackouts and things, and he couldn't remember, he doesn't even remember doing it. 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:56.240 Um, and so like it makes you wonder if there, I mean, there's something else going on, maybe, or I mean,

I know I personally have experienced blind rage where you're seeing red, but that's I've never had it to the extent that I want to go stab somebody 20 times, you know. 00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:12.160 So I I don't know if that level of intensity is different in different people too, and maybe he just, you know, had a moment of blind rage, and because of his good behavior, then everything went back to normal. 00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:30.400 But I know um there's several quotes that I found from Arnie that he's like talking about how he doesn't actually think he was possessed, and then there's several quotes where he was like earlier, closer to the time it all actually happened, he does think he was possessed. 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:35.119 So there's a little little conflicting information there too. 00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:51.680 Yeah, and it really that's why you need experts in fields, just like you and John, which you're experts in, which you've studied, which you worked hard on, and then giving um unbiased opinions, like just looking at the facts that's in front of you based on what you you know are best at. 00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:59.920 And you know, we don't know because we weren't there, so it's like it's all of those elements you read upon these stories, and it's like wow, yeah. 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:21.359 I I just find it interesting, Ron, that there was a there was a level of understanding about this, whether it was mental health or something unusual happening, that this guy lost his sense of faculty and his sense of right and wrong, but that doesn't mean to say that was the person that he really is. 00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:25.200 There seemed to be, with this short sentence, uh an understanding about that. 00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:27.279 So, so that can be mental health as well. 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:28.720 That can be mental health as well. 00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:29.039 Yeah. 00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:30.319 Excellent point. 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:32.319 Yeah, very true, very true. 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:44.319 Yeah, and I think the one thing that's really different about this case, if we compare it with the case that John just talked about, um, is there is a lot of lack of evidence with this case. 00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:50.000 Like there when I was looking at the Scotland stuff, there's pictures all over the place. 00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:56.559 There are no pictures of David levitating, there's no pictures or videos of that. 00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:00.319 Like it's there's there's nothing. 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:08.079 And in the 80s there were cameras, so like I mean, they were Polaroid cameras and stuff, but there were still cameras. 00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:09.920 There were still cameras for sure. 00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:15.759 And then um, if I remember correctly, they were deep in the they were deep in the south, right? 00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:19.920 And it was like a small town situation, and it but it was Connecticut, yeah. 00:30:20.160 -->

00:30:21.440 Oh, Connecticut, okay, yeah. 00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:32.799 So I don't know what was a around and it because that was another thing, like the amount of witnesses, we would only have the young lady, and yeah, no one else was around, right? 00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:36.400 Yeah, so yeah, interesting, great comparison. 00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:37.759 That makes complete sense, yeah. 00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:40.480 Anything else to um add there, John? 00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:44.400 It just sounds exactly like what I grew up in Scotland. 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:51.599 Yeah, I come from a small town as well. 00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.240 John, were there shit levitating around you all the time or what? 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:05.440 Like, how is it oh my time was like Twin Peaks, it was unreal. 00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:09.920 I love Twin Peaks, that's one of my favorite shows. 00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:11.039 Me too. 00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:15.119 That is excellent. 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:15.920 That was excellent. 00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:33.839 Also, I just want to throw out there, um, I don't know if y'all have ever read the contracts for uh Ed and Lorraine Warren and how they're portrayed in movies, but uh the actors who play them are some of my favorite actors and they play them very well. 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:45.519 They're like a cute couple who are there in solidarity and everything, but there are actually stories of perhaps Ed having some uh cases of infidelity. 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:59.759 And in their contract, it states that every single movie that portrays them must portray them in a way where Ed does not have any girlfriends or is not cheating or anything like that. 00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:09.519 And it's like such a specific way that it's worded where you wonder like most people probably wouldn't put that in if they had something to worry about. 00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:17.839 So it makes you think like maybe there were things going on, maybe they were not quite the stand-up people that everybody thought they were. 00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:20.880 I'm 100% with you on that point. 00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:22.400 I've read a bit about them as well. 00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:31.039 And uh, you know, they're the most famous paranormal investigators, but yeah, there's there's uh there's enough reasons to be skeptical about them as well. 00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:50.880 And then I've read that uh that number one, that was an excellent point because it goes to how you put your two cents into how a story is being portrayed and depicted when in the beginning of all the movies, it's like this is these are from real cases and everything's real, and these are the facts, you know, preface with that. 00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:54.079 But then you have something in there is like, okay, accept this part though. 00:32:54.240 --> 00:33:06.960 Um, and then I believe that they're the only people that are not a part of, to your point earlier, Late to like only people part of the

that are certified exorcists but not a part of the Catholic Church, something like that. 00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:09.759 I think yeah, recognized or something. 00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:12.720 Yeah, another interesting thing about them, yeah. 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:19.279 But yeah, so some of the best movies and horror and thrilling, you know, thrilling movies. 00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:20.720 I love those movies. 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:39.440 Yeah, definitely my favorite, and I love how they kept the same actors the entire course, so it gives that continuity of the story, and I believe um it's the woman that plays Lorraine's younger sister that's the um young lady from the Nun series. 00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:45.519 Yeah, and she's she also plays in uh I think American Horror Stories, too. 00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:47.200 Yep, yep, yep. 00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:48.400 Also one of my favorites. 00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:53.200 We can have a we're gonna have to add an episode about uh horror stories for sure. 00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:54.720 And even Loubi Club. 00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:58.720 Yay, let's do it. 00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:03.519 Um all right, so moving on to our next topic. 00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:05.279 Um, lead eye mask. 00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:07.359 We're going, we're traveling to Brazil here, John. 00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:08.960 You want to take it away? 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:29.280 Yeah, so I'm just discovering this this story via Lady Chill uh today about these Mexican guys who were found with uh lead can eye masks on, and they had instructions in their pockets as well, written out, and and no both dead, nobody could figure out reason for death. 00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:45.039 It's it's to do with um well possibly to do with aliens, UFOs, and that I have my own story around that that I'm not gonna get into in episode one, but I have other stuff about a friend that I can get into tonight. 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:48.880 Uh it it's I'm a believer in that kind of thing. 00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:54.159 Uh, I've just been able to see Spielberg's new movie Disclosure Day, which everybody found quite disappointment. 00:34:54.559 --> 00:35:03.599 But I I thought it was beautiful in the message that it sent out that if the aliens are coming, all they're trying to teach is us we need to be more empathetic towards each other. 00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:05.039 That was the message of the movie. 00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:12.159 It wasn't quite as thrilling as War of the Worlds, which was, you know, we're all gonna die if we don't find up theirs. 00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:24.880 But it's certainly very intriguing story, and uh yeah, I I I have some intriguing stuff in my own life, and and we're friends around the whole our aliens rule thing. 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:29.599 So, so so so let maybe Lady Teal take over this one, maybe not a bit more than me. 00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:33.440 Yeah, I can I can give you the rundown of what happened. 00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:50.159 Um, so there is

a kid in the local town that was flying a kite, and it's just a normal sun, summy, summer day, and he notices something, he goes to take a look, and there's just two men lying there completely dead. 00:35:50.320 --> 00:36:04.559 So at first glance, you think it could be anything, it could be gang related, it could be maybe they had a fight, and you know, but both men are in formal suits, and then they have raincoats on top of them. 00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:10.000 There's no wounds, there's no blood, there's no sign of struggle at all. 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:13.519 It just looks like they laid down and died. 00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:26.400 And then next to them, there was an empty water bottle, there were some wet towels, and then covering their eyes, they didn't have sunglasses or goggles or anything else on. 00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:30.480 It was like homemade masks that were cut out of lead. 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:32.559 And they're they're very crude. 00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:38.639 It was like hand cut, um, like maybe you would cut metal with like sniffs or something. 00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:42.320 So now these men were their names were. 00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:51.119 Um, their years are Manuel. 00:36:52.000 --> 00:37:04.480 If I can get my words out, the men who were killed, um their names are Manuel Pereira de Cruz, 32 years old, Miguel Jose Viana, 34 years old. 00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:06.639 And they were both technicians. 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:14.880 Um, they actually seem to be good friends, uh, so no malintent or anything like that. 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:21.760 But they told their families that they were heading out to buy work supplies, and instead they take a bus in the opposite direction. 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:22.800 So that's weird. 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:27.519 Like they're telling friends and family they're doing one thing, they go and do a different thing. 00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:42.159 Um, they've got a significant amount of cash on them, like enough to buy a used car down there, but they buy raincoats, but it's summer day and it's not raining, so that's weird to you. 00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:48.000 Um, and then they bottle buy a bottle of water from a bar, y'all. 00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:49.760 Like that is super weird. 00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:58.320 Buy a bottle of water in a soup. 00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:00.400 Yeah. 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:06.159 So everybody said that they like whoever interacted with them, they said they seemed kind of nervous. 00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:09.679 Um, and they kept like checking their watches and all of that. 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:18.960 Um, but the last confirmed sighting of them was they hitched a ride up to this hill in a Jeep with two men who were never identified. 00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:20.639 We don't even know who they are. 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:22.559 Nobody's ever seen them. 00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:30.320 Um, so then we have a notebook that's found right next to the bodies, and somebody had written a set of instructions. 00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:42.719 It said 4:30 p.m., be at the determined place, 6 30 p.m., swallow capsules, after effect, protect metals, wait for mask signal. 00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:47.519 I don't know what that means. 00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:50.400 Can I comment that? 00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:51.920 I I I love this. 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:53.599 That's the I mean the truth is out there. 00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:56.800 I don't need anything more from that story. 00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:00.480 Yeah, it's this aliens and it's government conspiracy. 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:01.920 You don't need to tell me anything more. 00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:04.239 Like, yeah, uh that's stunning. 00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:08.639 That is a stunning story of you know the unexplained. 00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:10.639 And uh yeah, sorry, I just love it. 00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:13.599 No, they oh no, your light turned off. 00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:15.679 I'll get it, I'll get it back on again. 00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:18.719 The aliens heard you and you're testing. 00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:21.199 You said too much, John. 00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:26.639 You said it keeps happening. 00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:30.800 You've no idea what it's like doing this on a spooky night when my light's going on all the time. 00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:32.719 We'll fix that for the next time. 00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:34.079 And it's fine. 00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:43.360 Well, so the note said that they get it gave instructions to swallow capsules, but no capsules were ever found. 00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:49.679 And then there it was like a really long time before the autopsy actually happened. 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:53.920 So they couldn't actually run like a toxicology testing thing. 00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:58.239 So we don't actually even know if they took any capsules. 00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:08.960 Um, so there's one theory that's like the most credible theory, and that is they were also known as scientific spiritualists. 00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:20.719 Um, so they used like electronics and radio equipment to make contact with the spirit world, which is kind of cool and kind of similar to like what some paranormal investigators do. 00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:27.360 They also tried to make contact with Mars, um, which is also interesting, I think. 00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:36.079 And then two months before the men died, there was a device that the three of them had built and it exploded. 00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:41.840 Which I don't know if that's where like the lead scraps come from or what. 00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:50.159 Um, but those they found like similar tools and similar material from that that were sitting next to them. 00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:52.239 So it kind of makes you wonder. 00:40:52.480 --> 00:41:02.400 Um and when I think of like scientific spiritualism, I don't sometimes I kind of lean more into Scientology. 00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:08.639 I know it's not the same thing, but then sometimes I get

like weird cult vibes from the story too. 00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:19.280 So um, we also have like a yoga instructor who told the newspaper that this spiritualist scene was using psychedelic drugs. 00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:24.400 Um, so maybe they overdosed accidentally or something. 00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:26.400 That's what the capsules were. 00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:28.400 Maybe it was like a ritual of some sort. 00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:32.639 That's the first credible theory, but there's still a lot of missing holes in it. 00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:37.840 The second theory, that's the most popular one, is what John said, UFOs. 00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:51.199 And the reason UFOs is the second theory, is because a woman who lived near that hill actually saw a an orange UFO hovering over where they were. 00:41:57.360 --> 00:41:58.960 Yeah, I'm I'm with it as well. 00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:16.400 And I I also that there's a new uh dialogue emerging about seeing UFOs or UFO encounters that is to do more with consciousness and or perceived reality than people traveling billions of light years across because that's impossible almost. 00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:18.480 And I kind of like the angle of that as well. 00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:20.400 That might lead us into what we're gonna talk about later. 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:22.239 But yeah, just a thought on that. 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:23.199 Yeah, yeah. 00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:25.760 Yeah, I I like that idea too. 00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:34.719 And like with the theory that the universe might be multiple dimensions, or you know, any how do you travel from multiple dimensions? 00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:38.239 But if it's consciousness, that would be super easy. 00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:42.320 So it's a fascinating story. 00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:50.880 Deja vu, I think was my first experience because I've been thinking about that into that for a long time, just like you know, you had John. 00:42:51.119 --> 00:43:01.199 And I think deja vu is the first time I really thought about like that concept of your I've already done this, and I've that familiar feeling, it's literally this spiritual consciousness. 00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:10.559 Like, no, you really have, and it's this playback or a mistake with the system of the aliens or whatever, you know, you weren't supposed to see that, you know. 00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:19.440 I mean, however, some concept of that is, especially when um, if we're talking specifically about this story, like it's the laying side by side for me, right? 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:23.599 Like you said, that's how they were found with no wounds or anything like that. 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:39.199 So even if I guess you could take capsules of some sort that you think would kill you, or potentially, and you both lay down side by side, but like if you overdose, I mean you're dropping and it's not perfectly side by side. 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:41.280 So the accidental part of it. 00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:53.039 It's just so many little things here that point to the supernatural situation happening more than just psychedelics gone wrong with the crazy space people. 00:43:57.679 --> 00:43:59.760 Well, yeah, I mean, I'm I'm old, I'm 56. 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:05.039 I'm from the 1990s, and as far as I know, you can't overdose on psychedelics. 00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:11.360 Yeah, but that was my youth. 00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:12.559 That's a long, long time ago. 00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:21.599 But uh yeah, I don't know if you can overdose on those kind of drugs, apart from you know, you maybe send your brain a bit sideways, but I don't know if physically if that can kill you. 00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:24.159 Uh those those kind of experiences. 00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:26.880 So yeah, worth considering in that as well. 00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:27.519 Yeah. 00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:29.280 Yeah, yeah, 100%. 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:33.920 Um, anything else to add there, Leto, before we move on? 00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:40.239 I just wanted to say there's a lot happening in South America right now with UFOs. 00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:43.760 So all right, it makes you wonder. 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:48.559 I mean, if we're looking at real, you know, so many UFO stories. 00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:56.639 Like, I don't, you know, if you guys remember a couple years ago, the whole radar balloons popping up everywhere, and there's like, oh, they're just going off course. 00:44:56.800 --> 00:45:00.000 Don't look at that, you know, stop looking up at the sky, guys. 00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:02.559 But, you know, what was that really like? 00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:15.039 You know, just so many questions in the world and multiple situation cases that just really makes you think there's something else there, and it's all paranormal, it's all worth investigating, it's all worth talking about. 00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:20.000 But it always gets to a point where someone just said, like, please take your tinfoil hat off. 00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:25.440 Um, we're getting close to the end here. 00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:36.079 So if we wanted to talk about um Widow's Bay, is what I have down here when we're talking about, you know, uh this final season concluding on Apple TV. 00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:37.679 Have you guys been following that? 00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:39.920 I binged it. 00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:42.000 Wonderful, wonderful. 00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:44.239 Yeah, I've always I've watched Widows Bay too. 00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:50.159 Uh great, really, because uh because it was spooky at parts and extremely funny other parts. 00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:59.679 And I think that's a really difficult mix to pull off as both the the the comedy and the you know slightly unsettling thing that Widows Bay has got on. 00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:00.400 I thought it was great. 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:01.440 I thought it was great. 00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:02.880 Yeah, awesome. 00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:12.400 I think we could wrap with, you

know, Lake Two, if you wanted to tell us since you got the binge it, like most recent, if you want to tell us about your favorite scene or anything, something light for us to wrap up on. 00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:16.480 Just I well, okay, one of my favorite scenes. 00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:20.880 I mean, this is spoilers for anybody who hasn't watched it, obviously. 00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:24.880 So um giving you guys plenty of advanced notice. 00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:37.920 Um, so one of my favorite scenes was when the one gal who's like the mayor's assistant, um, she throws the party and she reads the book and she thinks it's like the best party in the whole world. 00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:50.960 And there's like the scene where she's dancing and she's just having the time of her life because she's socially awkward, but all of a sudden everybody loves her and it's because of this book, and it helped her so much. 00:46:51.119 --> 00:47:05.840 But there's like a quick moment in the scene where it goes from everybody's dancing and having fun to everybody is just standing still and they're in a trance, and it's so creepy, but it's also funny at the same time. 00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:10.400 And that's like that was one of my favorite episodes. 00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:12.719 Absolutely love that. 00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:23.119 This is like the great things that make these shows so great is that great camera work, camera work, and those great little moments that just make you say, What just happened there? 00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:25.760 And then everyone on cue to just stop and do it. 00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:28.079 It's just like I love it, I love it. 00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:30.239 These are this is why I binge these type of shows. 00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:37.679 I can go into a whole rant about one of my favorites where I had a similar moment somewhere in there was the fall of the house of usher. 00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:46.480 I think we might have talked about that off pod one time, but uh before I take up so much time, we're definitely gonna talk about that in one of our next episodes. 00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:49.199 But if everyone's good, I think we can wrap here. 00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:53.679 If anyone else had anything they want to bring up or say, I'm all good, Ron. 00:47:53.760 --> 00:48:01.199 Uh, fall of the House of Usher is one of the greatest horror things that's been made in recent years, and he's a stunning director. 00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:03.119 So I look forward to any work from him. 00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:05.920 So I'm happy to wind up on that and we can move on. 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:06.400 Yeah. 00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:07.199 Yep. 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:10.239 Well, we can we definitely, like I said, add that to the list. 00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:13.440 But I think we could uh wrap things up here. 00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:16.719 Um, once again, we are the Haunted Minds podcast. 00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:22.239 I am Buddy Graves, my amazing partners in crime here, Lady Till, John Scott Comedy. 00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:24.159 And we'll see you again soon.