Full Transcript for The Gracious Two - LIVE Show 085 - Brian Shapiro

just disgust me to no 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:33.020 end. So, yeah, I'm kids. I'm just saying, like, 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:35.979 there's like and I guess they're trying to make 00:02:35.979 --> 00:02:37.860 it like because there's so many kids that want 00:02:37.860 --> 00:02:39.520 to be adopted and they're trying to make the 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:41.319 process a little bit easier. But you should have 00:02:41.319 --> 00:02:43.560 to do like even if you have no criminal record, 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:45.659 none of this, you should have to go through psyche 00:02:45.659 --> 00:02:48.180 valves like to see if you could adopt a kid. 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:51.599 Yeah, I think the process is pretty stringent, 00:02:51.699 --> 00:02:55.520 generally, but it seems, you know, sometimes 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:58.419 the sicko slips through the cracks or they can, 00:02:58.419 --> 00:03:01.439 or they can lie their way through it. Who knows? 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.199 But it's just, you know, it's, I think it's in 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:06.280 a lot of states, it's probably hard enough for 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:08.680 a gay couple to adopt. And I'm sure there's lots 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:10.780 of loving gay couples out there that want to 00:03:10.780 --> 00:03:12.939 have children, adopt children and treat them 00:03:12.939 --> 00:03:15.620 very well and give them great lives. But this 00:03:15.620 --> 00:03:20.719 just makes it harder. You know, it's sad. Yeah, 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:23.280 it's ridiculous. Fucking sad, man. And not only 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:26.259 were they doing it themselves, they were basically 00:03:26.259 --> 00:03:30.580 selling them to other people. It's poor, innocent 00:03:30.580 --> 00:03:32.680 children, dude. It's fucking insane. Do you know 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:34.620 how they got, like, winded this and how they 00:03:34.620 --> 00:03:36.780 got caught? I'm not sure how they got caught. 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:41.479 I'm not sure. Oh, man. It's like, hopefully fucking... 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:43.340 I don't know. Maybe Bobby can pull up some articles 00:03:43.340 --> 00:03:46.560 on it. You would think. You would totally think. 00:03:48.179 --> 00:03:50.139 But let me I want to go to this because this 00:03:50.139 --> 00:03:54.080 is this is funny so to get off this crazy Little 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:56.460 topic we have here. I want to play just a little 00:03:56.460 --> 00:03:58.379 bit of this because I just this was fun back 00:03:58.379 --> 00:04:04.280 in the day Where is he? Screen share there we 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:07.620 go. All righty then This is hysterical Chad. 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:11.280 Do you remember these these calls? Oh Mel Gibson 00:04:26.340 --> 00:04:32.699 He's nuts hey Women can do this to you. I was 00:04:32.699 --> 00:04:35.300 just gonna say that he's not nuts I'm sure he 00:04:35.300 --> 00:04:38.399 is but like women can fucking drive you off a 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:41.699

fucking cliff 100 I've had conversations that 00:04:41.699 --> 00:04:43.899 if we're recorded I'd sound like a fucking complete 00:04:43.899 --> 00:04:46.139 piece of shit, too Like you just drove me nuts. 00:04:46.139 --> 00:04:48.620 I'm just like what the fuck is going on? Yes, 00:04:48.620 --> 00:04:52.300 and the beauty of this is is she's so Calculated 00:04:52.300 --> 00:04:55.199 dude because she says just enough and like the 00:04:55.199 --> 00:05:00.339 little word she says to fucking set him off Yes, 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:02.980 and she's doing it sweetly, but now what do you 00:05:02.980 --> 00:05:07.040 mean? It's so fucking great Not that I condone 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:10.079 that but it's you can see how it happens. Yes, 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:40.250 I Don't condone you there, but funny But now, 00:05:40.430 --> 00:05:42.550 what do you mean? I'm just trying to love you. 00:05:42.550 --> 00:05:46.610 Yeah. Fuck you, you cunt motherfucker. I'll be 00:05:46.610 --> 00:05:48.269 right. She's probably the gold digging bitch 00:05:48.269 --> 00:05:50.750 sucking his money and like just using him for 00:05:50.750 --> 00:05:53.290 that. Yes. I don't know what her name. Anybody 00:05:53.290 --> 00:05:57.250 know her name? Oksana. Oh, yeah, she was like 00:05:57.250 --> 00:06:00.740 some Russian chick. Oh, yeah. This was definitely 00:06:00.740 --> 00:06:03.060 this was her M .O. I think she was with other 00:06:03.060 --> 00:06:06.459 celebrities before. I think the unfortunate part 00:06:06.459 --> 00:06:08.800 was as he had a daughter with her and it got 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:12.160 this far before he realized. And that's when 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:14.199 she was like, yes, payday daughter with him. 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:18.100 Boom. Pregnant. Yep. Oh, yeah. And this went 00:06:18.100 --> 00:06:19.939 on for a fucking while. And then I don't know 00:06:19.939 --> 00:06:22.160 if it was before this or after this, but she 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:24.019 was just adding on like, remember, he got caught 00:06:24.019 --> 00:06:26.339 with the DUI and he was like ranting about the 00:06:26.339 --> 00:06:30.689 Jews and fuck. God bless this guy. It's it's 00:06:30.689 --> 00:06:33.029 hip now to do that. Yeah, all the kids are doing 00:06:33.029 --> 00:06:36.850 it. I Just want to play one more part where he 00:06:36.850 --> 00:06:38.709 tells her to smile and blow him I don't know 00:06:38.709 --> 00:06:40.050 if we're gonna be able to get there. It's eight 00:06:40.050 --> 00:06:46.220 minutes, but hopefully it's something quick Because 00:06:46.220 --> 00:06:48.480 somebody who loves does not behave this way. 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:52.639 I do not... Are you on a second? One second. 00:06:53.759 --> 00:07:01.100 One second, please. Can I please... No. No. I'm 00:07:01.100 --> 00:07:17.449 sorry. Oh, man, I feel so bad for him. He hates 00:07:17.449 --> 00:07:19.389 her and he's given her one more chance. He's 00:07:19.389 --> 00:07:22.170 like, it's like he knows what's going to happen, 00:07:22.529 --> 00:07:25.829 but he's trying to, like, get her under his control 00:07:25.829 --> 00:07:27.810 and back under his spell. And I think that's 00:07:27.810 --> 00:07:31.029 what fucked up his daughter's sake. Well, was 00:07:31.029 --> 00:07:34.170 it that or I don't know? I kind of see both edges 00:07:34.170 --> 00:07:38.170 here. It seems like I don't know. Either he wanted 00:07:38.170 --> 00:07:40.509 her back one last time to get her under the thumb 00:07:40.509 --> 00:07:43.569 show. He had the control. And he didn't get fucked 00:07:43.569 --> 00:07:46.250 over like he thinks he is in his mind. You know, 00:07:46.430 --> 00:07:49.569 narcissism there for sure. Yes. Yes. And it's 00:07:49.569 --> 00:07:51.129 fucking Mel Gibson. He's never had to deal with 00:07:51.129 --> 00:07:53.949 this before in his life. He's been, you know, 00:07:54.209 --> 00:07:56.209 at the upper hand in every relationship, probably 00:07:56.209 --> 00:07:58.910 since the beginning of time. Oh, yeah. Well, 00:07:59.110 --> 00:08:00.829 so it's a lot of our deal is no fucking Gibson. 00:08:01.589 --> 00:08:05.029 Exactly. Bobby says he has the article for the 00:08:05.029 --> 00:08:07.410 bring it up by a couple down there in Georgia. 00:08:07.529 --> 00:08:16.870 Those lovely people. Lovely, lovely. You doing 00:08:16.870 --> 00:08:22.230 that, Bobby? I got no share. There we go. And 00:08:22.230 --> 00:08:25.990 go. And go. Alrighty then. Couple charged. Let 00:08:25.990 --> 00:08:27.850 me get that. If I could just read that. Couple 00:08:27.850 --> 00:08:30.029 charged with molesting their adopted sons and 00:08:30.029 --> 00:08:32.549 pimping them out. My goodness. Those are hard 00:08:32.549 --> 00:08:39.220 words to read. So a local pedophile ring, dude. 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:42.500 How many of these fucking rings are in our country, 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:45.460 man? Oh, there's lots, unfortunately. Like how, 00:08:45.620 --> 00:08:47.940 bro? Like, I don't understand how these people 00:08:47.940 --> 00:08:51.720 aren't under a fucking rock. Like, I just don't 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:53.639 understand how there could be so much of this 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:55.940 going on. They've been renamed minor attractive 00:08:55.940 --> 00:08:58.240 persons, so, you know, it's all good. Yeah, but 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:00.700 that seems to be out the fucking window now. 00:09:02.570 --> 00:09:05.230 Dude, look at this. A month's long investigation 00:09:05.230 --> 00:09:07.529 by Town Hall revealed. So these fucking poor 00:09:07.529 --> 00:09:10.009 officers had to like investigate this and see 00:09:10.009 --> 00:09:12.110 this horrible shit going on for a month before 00:09:12.110 --> 00:09:15.009 they could step in and do shit, bro. Yeah. Yes, 00:09:15.049 --> 00:09:17.629 exactly. Let it continue. And look who it is, 00:09:17.690 --> 00:09:20.309 Chad. A government worker and a

banker are these 00:09:20.309 --> 00:09:23.549 two scumbags it's seen. Right. Mm hmm. A government 00:09:23.549 --> 00:09:26.929 worker. Restrictable people. Yeah. Yeah. What 00:09:26.929 --> 00:09:29.710 does he do for our government? Oh, 11 and nine 00:09:29.710 --> 00:09:36.809 years old they were. Jesus. God. I have 11 year 00:09:36.809 --> 00:09:39.470 old girls. I would fucking you would be in jail 00:09:39.470 --> 00:09:44.029 for murder. You are the red rums and motherfuckers, 00:09:44.149 --> 00:09:51.389 man. Yeah. I just wanted the rest of the article, 00:09:51.509 --> 00:09:56.009 not the. All right, nobody. Bobby, if you could 00:09:56.009 --> 00:09:59.009 just find out right in chat like how long these. 00:09:59.179 --> 00:10:03.039 guys had this they adopted them for and all that. 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:05.620 I said execute their asses, but they will they'll 00:10:05.620 --> 00:10:08.679 be dealt with in prison. Yeah, that's the one 00:10:08.679 --> 00:10:12.159 place where pedophiles are dealt with for in 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:18.240 the way they should be. Yeah. I I forget what 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:23.440 I was watching. They might start to take they 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:26.120 might be taking these child molesters and like 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:30.379 putting them in like solitary confinement because 00:10:30.379 --> 00:10:34.279 they were getting so like beat up and shit and 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:36.159 like killed and murdered and raped and stuff 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:39.259 like that. I'm not 100 percent on that, but I 00:10:39.259 --> 00:10:41.759 believe I heard that because it was it was so 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:43.419 violent what was happening to them as it should 00:10:43.419 --> 00:10:46.840 be. But I think jails are getting in trouble. 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:50.299 I have zero more. I have zero zero problem with 00:10:50.299 --> 00:10:52.840 them being killed in the most heinous way in 00:10:52.840 --> 00:10:55.659 prison. Fuck them. Correct. And anybody who is 00:10:55.659 --> 00:10:58.460 like. Trying to get them like an easier life 00:10:58.460 --> 00:11:00.639 to fuck you too. I have no remorse for you either. 00:11:00.659 --> 00:11:02.360 Something's wrong with your fucking shitty head. 00:11:02.700 --> 00:11:06.440 Yeah, exactly. What do you got here? Bob a boys 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:09.620 were sexually abused since 2019. My God, dude, 00:11:09.700 --> 00:11:13.159 that's fucking six years of disgusting this for 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:16.120 fucking kids that were looking to have a family. 00:11:16.379 --> 00:11:18.419 I got busted last year, so hopefully it was only 00:11:18.419 --> 00:11:21.360 I mean, whatever. It's still bullshit, but still 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:24.419 sucks. Still, whatever. Five years for a long 00:11:24.419 --> 00:11:28.570 time. Yeah. Years, years. After receiving a cyber 00:11:28.570 --> 00:11:31.629 tip from the U .S. National Center for Missing 00:11:31.629 --> 00:11:34.509 and Exploited Children about suspected homemade 00:11:34.509 --> 00:11:37.309 child sexual abuse material, they were making 00:11:37.309 --> 00:11:39.690 material, too. That's a brazen... Oh, they were 00:11:39.690 --> 00:11:42.409 selling that, too. Yeah. Lovely. Police used 00:11:42.409 --> 00:11:44.269 the IP address from the Google account. Upload 00:11:44.269 --> 00:11:47.429 to the local physical address. Good police work, 00:11:47.990 --> 00:11:51.240 man. Good fucking police work. Good job, but 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:53.820 look at that dude if they weren't so brazen enough 00:11:53.820 --> 00:11:55.639 to record this and put it on the internet, dude 00:11:55.639 --> 00:11:58.740 They wouldn't have never been found out Like 00:11:58.740 --> 00:12:01.600 that's fuck. Well, yeah, and how many cases are 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:03.059 out there right now where the people aren't doing 00:12:03.059 --> 00:12:06.019 that and they're fucking abusing Right, right 00:12:06.019 --> 00:12:13.299 Yeah Are we hearing anything with fucking Diddy 00:12:13.299 --> 00:12:15.740 or is this falling by the wayside is like Epstein 00:12:15.740 --> 00:12:17.779 to a question? I don't know. I haven't heard 00:12:17.779 --> 00:12:24.370 much lately It's amazing how the wheels of justice 00:12:24.370 --> 00:12:29.409 turn slowly, so you'll see. Yeah. The wheels 00:12:29.409 --> 00:12:32.970 of justice. I just hope that in the end, if they 00:12:32.970 --> 00:12:34.730 don't get it here on Earth, they get it fucking 00:12:34.730 --> 00:12:40.049 in the end. Jafiel, my mom just said, hang them 00:12:40.049 --> 00:12:43.789 in the square. So, yeah, baby, by their nutsack 00:12:43.789 --> 00:12:48.340 to fucking cog and balls. Bobby, before we bring 00:12:48.340 --> 00:12:50.580 up our guests, can you want to show that Lilies 00:12:50.580 --> 00:12:56.179 of David poster? Liz Lilies of David has a show 00:12:56.179 --> 00:13:01.080 coming up, I believe on the 26th of April. It 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:03.759 is at the Celebrity Theater in Atlantic City. 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:07.779 They are the headliners. There's some other bands, 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:11.120 Smoother Nature, Alice and Stella, Aaron and 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:13.759 Eve. But go check it out. They got an invite 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:17.799 event, right? page link will post in the description, 00:13:18.220 --> 00:13:25.500 but I will be there square. Nice. Yeah, maybe 00:13:25.500 --> 00:13:29.360 that's be a fun night. What else? What else? 00:13:29.940 --> 00:13:34.059 We do have our next guest coming on who is a 00:13:34.059 --> 00:13:39.200 longtime live fan. He is also the host of Pushing 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:44.320 the Limits radio show out of Las Vegas. Mr. Brian 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:47.519 Shapiro. What up? What's up, Brian? Great to 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:50.860 see you guys. What's up, Chad? It's nice to get 00:13:50.860 --> 00:13:52.899 away from politics and just to be able

to say 00:13:52.899 --> 00:13:55.700 hello to one of my favorite drummers from my 00:13:55.700 --> 00:13:57.500 favorite band since I was a kid. So I appreciate 00:13:57.500 --> 00:14:00.580 you guys having me on. Absolutely. It's our pleasure 00:14:00.580 --> 00:14:02.580 and thank you for coming on. Yeah. Man, you guys 00:14:02.580 --> 00:14:04.700 are talking about some deep stuff, huh? Wow. 00:14:05.100 --> 00:14:07.179 We don't play. We get into the subject sometimes. 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:11.620 Yeah, man. That's a terrible story. But, uh, 00:14:11.659 --> 00:14:13.259 well, how you guys doing, man? It's good to see 00:14:13.259 --> 00:14:16.519 you guys. Cold in New Jersey. I will say that 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:18.740 man. It was decent last week and now it's dropping. 00:14:19.220 --> 00:14:23.179 So it's warm here in Vegas. Oh man. I don't want 00:14:23.179 --> 00:14:24.980 to make you jealous, Chad. It's like 70, it was 00:14:24.980 --> 00:14:26.899 like 75 degrees yesterday. I was hanging out 00:14:26.899 --> 00:14:29.179 by the pool, man. It's I'm not jealous. I'm in 00:14:29.179 --> 00:14:32.200 California. It's like 81 here. I'm trying to 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:33.820 remember where I've seen you guys in Vegas. I 00:14:33.820 --> 00:14:35.659 saw you guys at the Palazzo when you guys were 00:14:35.659 --> 00:14:39.379 together. Uh, I, um, I saw you guys, God, where 00:14:39.379 --> 00:14:41.799 I saw you guys at the last time I saw you guys 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:44.159 together was at the, I think when it was the 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:46.840 hard rock. Now it's the Virgin. I saw you guys 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:51.860 there. Yes. Yeah. The hard rock became the Virgin. 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:54.940 Does anybody, uh, the hard cock became the Virgin. 00:14:56.100 --> 00:14:57.700 Uh, yeah, that was when you guys toured with 00:14:57.700 --> 00:15:00.370 Bush, I want to say. Yeah, that's the last time 00:15:00.370 --> 00:15:04.269 we played. Yeah, man. That was Vegas. Yes. That's 00:15:04.269 --> 00:15:06.409 a funny story. I went backstage after the show 00:15:06.409 --> 00:15:09.389 and wanted to say hello to Ed. You guys were 00:15:09.389 --> 00:15:11.830 long gone. Maybe I shouldn't say this, but there 00:15:11.830 --> 00:15:14.870 was a woman sitting on his lap and he was the 00:15:14.870 --> 00:15:17.370 only one back. It wasn't his wife. He was the 00:15:17.370 --> 00:15:19.490 only one back there. And I went back there. He 00:15:19.490 --> 00:15:21.210 shoots right up and we were talking for like 00:15:21.210 --> 00:15:25.429 15 minutes, but I'm just so. Yeah. I'm just so 00:15:25.429 --> 00:15:27.509 disappointed. I wish you guys were back together, 00:15:27.610 --> 00:15:31.210 man. It just, um, you know, it sucks, but all 00:15:31.210 --> 00:15:33.909 I can say is from an outsider looking in 10 years 00:15:33.909 --> 00:15:36.029 ago, I read that Ed wanted that a hundred thousand 00:15:36.029 --> 00:15:39.470 dollar bonus.

Um, I don't know if that's true 00:15:39.470 --> 00:15:42.330 or not. Yeah. And then I'm, and then I heard 00:15:42.330 --> 00:15:44.429 that he sold the rights to catalog. I don't know 00:15:44.429 --> 00:15:47.009 if that's true or not. Like to some of your music. 00:15:47.090 --> 00:15:50.070 Was that true? No, he didn't. No, no, no. Okay. 00:15:50.110 --> 00:15:52.950 Patrick and I did a publishing deal for our stuff. 00:15:53.190 --> 00:15:55.169 Yeah. So I hear that Chad 10 years ago and I'm 00:15:55.169 --> 00:15:57.269 like, man, Ed sounds like a douche bag, right? 00:15:57.570 --> 00:15:59.830 And all the times I've met him, he was always 00:15:59.830 --> 00:16:01.970 cool. And then I hear this stuff about Chad Taylor 00:16:01.970 --> 00:16:03.889 and I read the Rolling Stone article and I'm 00:16:03.889 --> 00:16:06.350 like, fuck, you seem like the only normal one 00:16:06.350 --> 00:16:10.049 in the band. Like it's like, I try to be. Yeah. 00:16:10.629 --> 00:16:12.889 Well, I mean, like, you know, it's, it's the 00:16:12.889 --> 00:16:16.090 classic lead singer, lead guitar rift that happens 00:16:16.090 --> 00:16:18.250 in a lot of bands, Rolling Stones. I mean, there's, 00:16:18.250 --> 00:16:21.460 there's, it's just, endless the what is it Guns 00:16:21.460 --> 00:16:24.840 N' Roses like you know those are the two guys 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:27.919 that are usually have a lot of ego they're very 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:30.659 generally very alpha it's just they're that that 00:16:30.659 --> 00:16:33.179 person is attracted to those positions in the 00:16:33.179 --> 00:16:36.779 band and so they're always fighting for the limelight 00:16:36.779 --> 00:16:39.000 and the spotlight and saying I wrote this and 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:43.000 I wrote that and blah blah blah but uh it's it 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:46.080 it's wild to look back on it and yeah it's it's 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:50.519 seeming that it's been more Ed, through all this, 00:16:50.659 --> 00:16:53.200 then Chad, tell you the truth. Interesting. Okay. 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:55.059 I didn't, that doesn't surprise me. Interesting. 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:57.299 The more I uncover, the more I find out. And 00:16:57.299 --> 00:16:59.659 it's like, okay. That's too bad. That's, that's 00:16:59.659 --> 00:17:02.000 too bad. You know, who knows? Maybe, maybe one 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.220 day you guys get back on stage together, but, 00:17:04.220 --> 00:17:07.440 um, Rock and roll hall of fame. Rock and roll 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:10.589 hall of fame, baby. I saw Ed in California. I 00:17:10.589 --> 00:17:12.250 want to say maybe seven or eight months ago with 00:17:12.250 --> 00:17:14.109 his with his new bandmates. And look, he put 00:17:14.109 --> 00:17:16.950 on a good show. He always does. But the best 00:17:16.950 --> 00:17:18.569 show I ever saw was when you guys were on your 00:17:18.569 --> 00:17:20.289 throwing copper tour. I'll give you the quick 00:17:20.289 --> 00:17:21.930 one minute story. You know, first song I heard 00:17:21.930 --> 00:17:24.750 was selling the drama. I was probably 14 or 15 00:17:24.750 --> 00:17:26.890 years old. I immediately fell in love with that 00:17:26.890 --> 00:17:30.349 song. Um, saw you guys MTV unplugged, which was 00:17:30.349 --> 00:17:32.450 just incredible. And then I saw you guys in Hartford, 00:17:32.450 --> 00:17:34.470 Connecticut at the Meadows music theater. I'm 00:17:34.470 --> 00:17:36.529 a stupid 15, 16 year old kid. I hadn't been to 00:17:36.529 --> 00:17:38.630 many shows to this day. It's the best show I've 00:17:38.630 --> 00:17:40.730 ever seen. I've seen thousands of shows. Then 00:17:40.730 --> 00:17:42.670 I discovered mental jewelry. Then I discovered 00:17:42.670 --> 00:17:46.109 death of a dictionary, um, throwing copper is 00:17:46.109 --> 00:17:47.789 probably the only album I could listen to front 00:17:47.789 --> 00:17:50.730 to back just because I have horrible ADHD. So, 00:17:51.049 --> 00:17:53.470 but throwing copper. And then I'll always remember 00:17:53.470 --> 00:17:55.670 this Chad, because we're both kind of old, but 00:17:55.670 --> 00:17:58.430 I bought the cassette tape. of Secret Samadhi. 00:17:58.529 --> 00:18:01.069 I took the day off from school, the day that 00:18:01.069 --> 00:18:03.170 the album came out. Now it wasn't like today 00:18:03.170 --> 00:18:05.170 where you can hear every song on the album before 00:18:05.170 --> 00:18:07.529 an album comes out, right? So I took the day 00:18:07.529 --> 00:18:11.569 off. I had my Walkman, Chad, and with me, remember 00:18:11.569 --> 00:18:14.970 those? The yellow Walkmans, right? And Secret 00:18:14.970 --> 00:18:18.650 Samadhi. Yeah, exactly. Secret Samadhi had come 00:18:18.650 --> 00:18:20.150 out. I literally took the day off from school 00:18:20.150 --> 00:18:23.130 because I was so excited. And I remember Rattlesnake, 00:18:23.230 --> 00:18:25.980 loved the song right away. Uh, and Likini's juice 00:18:25.980 --> 00:18:28.640 is, I think you and I have this in common. I 00:18:28.640 --> 00:18:29.960 think, correct me if I'm wrong, the favorite 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:32.160 songs that you like to play white discussion 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:34.279 and Likini's juice. Are those two, two of your 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:37.779 favorites or those are like two of my favorite 00:18:37.779 --> 00:18:40.559 songs. So we always had that in common, but to 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:42.859 lick Likini's juice, I just, I missed the fact 00:18:42.859 --> 00:18:44.799 that when you guys started playing songs and 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:47.099 they kind of built, you had a lot of those on 00:18:47.099 --> 00:18:50.200 copper, right? Dammit out or Creek. And was that 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:52.200 intentional that you guys get away from that? 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:57.970 Or was that like an ed thing? As we like for 00:18:57.970 --> 00:19:00.049 the first four records we what we would do is

00:19:00.049 --> 00:19:02.349 we get in a room and play and play together and 00:19:02.349 --> 00:19:05.210 figure out songs and jam them out and and mold 00:19:05.210 --> 00:19:08.130 them in the room together and We stopped doing 00:19:08.130 --> 00:19:12.630 that Mostly it was we did a little bit for distance 00:19:12.630 --> 00:19:15.509 to hear But then after that and then came to 00:19:15.509 --> 00:19:17.089 Chad and said he don't want to write with this 00:19:17.089 --> 00:19:21.670 with him anymore So I think a lot of Chad's guitar 00:19:21.670 --> 00:19:24.839 parts influenced how we would build into like 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:29.240 big choruses and small, you know, lower verses, 00:19:29.380 --> 00:19:32.839 big choruses. I think that was more of a Chad 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:37.019 thing. So, I mean, we did, you know, we did the 00:19:37.019 --> 00:19:39.079 Gracious Few. I don't know if you listened to 00:19:39.079 --> 00:19:41.400 that record, but we kind of went back to that 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:43.559 a little bit because we were again allowed to 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:45.740 get in a room and Kevin Martin was all about 00:19:45.740 --> 00:19:47.400 it. And we just got in a room and figured out 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:49.779 songs. And that's just, I think, naturally the 00:19:49.779 --> 00:19:52.259 way the three of us, Patrick, Chad and I like 00:19:52.259 --> 00:19:55.349 to hear songs. I love songs like that that just 00:19:55.349 --> 00:19:59.890 start small, get big, maybe have a cool bridge 00:19:59.890 --> 00:20:06.549 in there. It's funny because the first record 00:20:06.549 --> 00:20:09.410 we made after Distance of Heroes called Five 00:20:09.410 --> 00:20:12.869 and Ed was living in LA and I was down there 00:20:12.869 --> 00:20:16.210 hanging out. We started recording that record 00:20:16.210 --> 00:20:18.410 kind of before Chad and Patrick came in, but 00:20:18.410 --> 00:20:20.069 it was all just songs that Ed would bring in 00:20:20.069 --> 00:20:22.170 and he'd just like, oh, play to this. It's all 00:20:22.170 --> 00:20:24.170 kind of already finished the arrangement, the 00:20:24.170 --> 00:20:28.009 structure. Yeah, it wasn't a huge. Yeah, it wasn't 00:20:28.009 --> 00:20:31.250 a huge five guy. The single you put out was OK, 00:20:31.349 --> 00:20:33.730 but it wasn't what distance to hear. I remember 00:20:33.730 --> 00:20:36.390 you guys played Woodstock and I had never heard 00:20:36.390 --> 00:20:38.390 where fishes go. And when you guys were opening 00:20:38.390 --> 00:20:40.349 with that song, I love that fucking song. You 00:20:40.349 --> 00:20:42.369 know, I always loved that song. I thought there 00:20:42.369 --> 00:20:44.509 were a lot of good songs on the distance to hear. 00:20:45.210 --> 00:20:47.250 Yeah, I was I was disappointed with five a little 00:20:47.250 --> 00:20:49.289 bit. Listen, I don't like Ed Solo stuff. I'm 00:20:49.289 --> 00:20:51.289 going to be completely honest with you. I

don't 00:20:51.289 --> 00:20:54.430 I don't think it's very good. I think it's too 00:20:54.430 --> 00:20:56.970 poppy and it's not edgy. I mean, Secret Samadhi 00:20:56.970 --> 00:21:00.069 and Copper were just unbelievable albums from 00:21:00.069 --> 00:21:03.359 front to back. Every song and. I can tell right 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:05.000 away when I resonate with something and listen, 00:21:05.180 --> 00:21:06.799 mental jewelry was great, too. I mean, there's 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:09.539 so many great songs on that album, too. And they 00:21:09.539 --> 00:21:12.940 were produced albums that like they weren't overproduced 00:21:12.940 --> 00:21:15.400 albums. You could hear the musicianship going 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:18.559 on in the room was all that was basically needed 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:21.519 in those albums. And then, you know, Ed stuff 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:24.299 and five and all that started to get like to 00:21:24.299 --> 00:21:26.960 overproduced and wacky. Yeah. Well, forever. 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:29.740 You know, for the first four records, I was kind 00:21:29.740 --> 00:21:32.380 of the guy that would be like. I don't like that 00:21:32.380 --> 00:21:36.220 idea and I don't want to play it. Every song 00:21:36.220 --> 00:21:39.279 that's on all those records, every one of those 00:21:39.279 --> 00:21:43.039 songs, at some point gave me chills playing them. 00:21:44.140 --> 00:21:46.579 And I think that was for the collective too, 00:21:46.579 --> 00:21:49.319 for everybody. Because when there was a song 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:50.740 that gave us all four chills, we were like, boom, 00:21:50.759 --> 00:21:53.799 that's a hit. That song goes on the record. But 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:57.460 then I kind of like, because I was the only guy 00:21:57.460 --> 00:21:59.220 going, I don't want to play that song, I don't 00:21:59.220 --> 00:22:01.819 feel anything. that would piss off Ed and then 00:22:01.819 --> 00:22:03.559 everyone would get pissed at me because I'm fucking 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:06.420 the vibe up and I'm just like, you know, I don't 00:22:06.420 --> 00:22:07.980 like it. What do you want me to do? Yeah. And 00:22:07.980 --> 00:22:10.420 so I stopped doing that. And just after this 00:22:10.420 --> 00:22:11.779 is here, I was like, I don't want to be the dick 00:22:11.779 --> 00:22:15.559 anymore. Yeah. So I felt like he was fighting 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:18.299 the world in his own band, you know, for. Yeah, 00:22:18.819 --> 00:22:20.799 I like the fact that you did that. It's unfortunate. 00:22:21.950 --> 00:22:23.789 That it turned out the way it did. I always wanted 00:22:23.789 --> 00:22:25.549 to ask you this the end of lightning crashes 00:22:25.549 --> 00:22:27.529 when somebody's harmonizing with that I always 00:22:27.529 --> 00:22:29.349 wondered if that was your voice. No, I didn't 00:22:29.349 --> 00:22:34.950 think back Yeah So, oh interesting so that was 00:22:34.950 --> 00:22:38.630 his own

voice. Okay, I didn't Yeah, that's the 00:22:38.630 --> 00:22:40.410 hidden track on throwing copper the high part. 00:22:40.410 --> 00:22:44.710 That's me Right saying oh cool. I sang I just 00:22:44.710 --> 00:22:46.650 sang on a lot of songs like especially on mental 00:22:46.650 --> 00:22:49.730 jewelry someone throwing copper and Mental jewelry 00:22:49.730 --> 00:22:52.240 I was doing both backups while I was playing 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:54.799 and at some point during that I was like wow 00:22:54.799 --> 00:22:57.640 I don't want like I can't do this I'm I'm doing 00:22:57.640 --> 00:23:01.380 too much here I'm not gonna sing yeah no I don't 00:23:01.380 --> 00:23:03.839 blame you yeah I always wanted to know because 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:05.579 I love the the harmonizing on the end of lightning 00:23:05.579 --> 00:23:07.299 crash you know it's interesting I talk to people 00:23:07.299 --> 00:23:10.420 you know I'm 44 years old even people my own 00:23:10.420 --> 00:23:12.039 age or people a little younger I say you know 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:14.000 my favorite band growing up was live and then 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:16.180 sometimes they'll look at me especially if they're 00:23:16.180 --> 00:23:18.569 younger Do I know that band? And then I'll start 00:23:18.569 --> 00:23:21.349 singing I Alone or Lightning Crashes. And they're 00:23:21.349 --> 00:23:23.289 like, oh, I know that song. Oh, I know that song. 00:23:23.349 --> 00:23:25.250 Like I always felt like you guys were that band 00:23:25.250 --> 00:23:27.589 that were so I mean, you guys sold a ton of albums, 00:23:27.609 --> 00:23:29.529 but I felt like you were underrated in the sense 00:23:29.529 --> 00:23:31.990 maybe the name live was a little confusing. I 00:23:31.990 --> 00:23:35.250 don't know. But you guys had so many songs on 00:23:35.250 --> 00:23:37.990 the radio that people remember. The name is hard, 00:23:38.009 --> 00:23:41.970 but also so we had the guy who was the president 00:23:41.970 --> 00:23:43.890 of our record company called Radioactive, which 00:23:43.890 --> 00:23:47.430 was a subsidiary of Universal. Was named Barry 00:23:47.430 --> 00:23:49.690 Kerf first and he was a legendary manager He's 00:23:49.690 --> 00:23:51.750 managed blondie and jane's addiction and the 00:23:51.750 --> 00:23:53.890 talking heads and the ramones and like all these 00:23:53.890 --> 00:23:56.849 bands, right? But he started record label and 00:23:56.849 --> 00:23:59.750 we were kind of one of his big first sign signing 00:23:59.750 --> 00:24:02.730 bands and he Kind of shepherded us through the 00:24:02.730 --> 00:24:06.329 whole process and was our mentor But what he 00:24:06.329 --> 00:24:08.529 didn't like is he didn't like the press. He fucking 00:24:08.529 --> 00:24:11.109 hated the press He was like they need you more 00:24:11.109 --> 00:24:13.430 than you need them you and as throwing copper 00:24:13.430 --> 00:24:17.000 was blowing up. We did a spin cover But we would

00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.140 never do the cover of Rolling Stone because he 00:24:19.140 --> 00:24:21.700 didn't want us to until we were voted artist 00:24:21.700 --> 00:24:25.039 of the year, I think in 95, five became the 96. 00:24:25.240 --> 00:24:27.779 But but yeah. And then and then he was like, 00:24:27.779 --> 00:24:29.359 now you're doing it because you've been voted 00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:33.539 by the public. But we didn't do as much press, 00:24:33.539 --> 00:24:35.980 I think, as as our contemporaries. Like it just 00:24:35.980 --> 00:24:39.279 seemed like Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden, 00:24:39.319 --> 00:24:41.119 Nirvana. They would just do everything, you know. 00:24:42.460 --> 00:24:45.759 And not that they were doing it just just to 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:48.339 do it, but like it was part of the process. So 00:24:48.339 --> 00:24:51.000 to me, that's kind of one of the reasons why 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:54.400 we just don't have the name recognition as some 00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:56.660 of our contemporaries. Because I deal with the 00:24:56.660 --> 00:24:57.880 same thing in my private life. I'm like, yeah, 00:24:57.940 --> 00:25:00.079 I played drums in this band live. And people 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:01.619 are like, I don't really know that. I'm like, 00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:03.559 oh, here, listen to this song. I'm like, oh, 00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:07.339 I know that one. Like, yeah, that's me. It's 00:25:07.339 --> 00:25:08.920 got to be a little annoying, right? It's got 00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:12.879 to be a little annoying. But I mean. Everybody 00:25:12.879 --> 00:25:15.140 within 20 years of us knows the song lightning 00:25:15.140 --> 00:25:17.839 crashes, like everybody. Like when you guys wrote, 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:19.940 when Ed wrote that song and you used, you heard 00:25:19.940 --> 00:25:21.819 the melody for the first time, did you say to 00:25:21.819 --> 00:25:24.539 yourself, this is going to be a hit? Like what, 00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:26.079 what went through your mind when you heard that, 00:25:26.259 --> 00:25:29.019 like the guitar and the lyrics? Well, once it 00:25:29.019 --> 00:25:30.779 was assembled and we had all played through it 00:25:30.779 --> 00:25:33.200 a bunch of times, I kind of felt it would be 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:35.359 a big song, but the beginning of the writing 00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:38.400 process was just that guitar riff. And then Ed 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:40.799 went away and came back with the melody and. 00:25:40.750 --> 00:25:44.089 and eventually the lyrics. Because he would just 00:25:44.089 --> 00:25:46.589 scratch a melody while we were fucking around, 00:25:46.869 --> 00:25:49.549 figuring out the song. But once it was all put 00:25:49.549 --> 00:25:51.349 together, I was like, oh my god, this is big. 00:25:52.009 --> 00:25:56.049 And what's cool about that is we would start 00:25:56.049 --> 00:26:00.190 the song with drums. At some point in the pre 00:26:00.190 --> 00:26:01.990 -production process, I think it was Jerry Harrison 00:26:01.990 --> 00:26:05.349 was like, no, the drums will sit out. Don't start 00:26:05.349 --> 00:26:07.529 playing from the beginning. Oh, wow. That's huge 00:26:07.529 --> 00:26:09.970 because when the drums come in, it really like 00:26:09.970 --> 00:26:11.869 picks up the song and brings it to another level. 00:26:12.630 --> 00:26:14.349 So he kind of left it up to me where I would 00:26:14.349 --> 00:26:16.690 come in, but I was like, okay, well, let's well, 00:26:16.690 --> 00:26:19.289 he did say like, let the first first pass and 00:26:19.289 --> 00:26:23.369 go from there. So yeah, smart, smart grads. It's 00:26:23.369 --> 00:26:25.730 one of the because it's one it's my rest period. 00:26:26.630 --> 00:26:31.630 Yeah. I mean, that's that's got it's one of the 00:26:31.630 --> 00:26:33.829 biggest hits of the nineties period. I mean, 00:26:34.509 --> 00:26:37.099 hands down. And I remember Ed was talking about 00:26:37.099 --> 00:26:39.039 Likini's juice. Chad was just fucking around 00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:41.319 with his guitar and you guys were playing a show 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:42.880 and you, I guess it was a rehearsal, right? And 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:45.240 he just shouted out weird lyrics, but there's 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:47.160 just something about that song that it just, 00:26:47.779 --> 00:26:50.099 it's probably my favorite song of all time. We 00:26:50.099 --> 00:26:53.859 wrote that song in Jamaica. We rented this house 00:26:53.859 --> 00:26:57.210 down there in Montego Bay. It was a big... Like 00:26:57.210 --> 00:26:59.509 giant mansion with like a staff and stuff. We're 00:26:59.509 --> 00:27:01.029 like, yeah fucking rock stars. Let's do this. 00:27:01.029 --> 00:27:04.630 Yeah, baby. So Chad was Chad brought that idea 00:27:04.630 --> 00:27:06.890 to to jamaica and that's where he started playing 00:27:06.890 --> 00:27:09.990 it the first time that I heard it and I remember 00:27:09.990 --> 00:27:12.369 hearing him we set up there was a master bedroom 00:27:12.369 --> 00:27:14.750 on the second floor and that's where we set up 00:27:14.750 --> 00:27:17.289 to write all the stuff and it was big enough 00:27:17.289 --> 00:27:20.349 to accommodate everybody and so I heard him playing 00:27:20.349 --> 00:27:23.130 that from downstairs Chad was up there fucking 00:27:23.130 --> 00:27:24.430 around he started playing that I was like what 00:27:24.430 --> 00:27:29.150 the fuck is that and But I don't I don't there's 00:27:29.150 --> 00:27:32.930 an interesting story about the lyrics more wine 00:27:32.930 --> 00:27:35.910 Apparently like I guess I was sitting out on 00:27:35.910 --> 00:27:38.109 the he had a microphone He was sitting out on 00:27:38.109 --> 00:27:40.750 the lounge chair on the on the the deck of that 00:27:40.750 --> 00:27:44.589 master bedroom. Oh, no, I'm to the butler Who 00:27:44.589 --> 00:27:46.789 was this guy

named Trevor who had been the butler 00:27:46.789 --> 00:27:49.190 for like for like the Queen of England and stuff 00:27:49.190 --> 00:27:51.130 so he was he was always carrying around a tray 00:27:51.130 --> 00:27:53.150 of rum punch and shit, but he was yelling to 00:27:53.180 --> 00:27:56.640 The Trevor more wine. Because I got to have it. 00:27:56.660 --> 00:28:00.460 Come on. What's what's up with the more skin? 00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:02.839 Because I got to eat it. I don't know. Then he 00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:06.259 loses. Yeah. He was going to eat Chad Taylor. 00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:09.059 And then and then it's weird how he would like 00:28:09.059 --> 00:28:12.680 add lyrics in concerts like burn my eyes so I 00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:15.099 can see. I never really understood that when 00:28:15.099 --> 00:28:17.160 he when he like added certain weird lyrics on 00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.769 stick. I don't know either. His eyes were like 00:28:19.769 --> 00:28:22.950 a phoenix rising from the ashes. They burnt out 00:28:22.950 --> 00:28:25.549 and became new. I do this with lots of songs. 00:28:25.710 --> 00:28:27.390 I don't pay attention to lyrics. I listen to 00:28:27.390 --> 00:28:29.869 melody and especially live because that's what 00:28:29.869 --> 00:28:32.289 I would key off of. But yeah, go ahead. So you 00:28:32.289 --> 00:28:34.410 just you don't even talk to these guys anymore. 00:28:34.450 --> 00:28:36.250 You guys don't even talk to each other anymore. 00:28:36.630 --> 00:28:39.170 I'm having preliminary conversations with Chad 00:28:39.170 --> 00:28:43.130 about some things, but yeah. Well, that's good. 00:28:43.309 --> 00:28:45.369 I mean, that's a start, I guess. Right. But. 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:50.240 Would you say Ed is an ego maniac? 100%. 100%. 00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:53.140 Was he always, Chad, or did it grow? No, he wasn't 00:28:53.140 --> 00:28:58.500 always, but it became worse and worse. When do 00:28:58.500 --> 00:29:00.519 you think that started, where you guys started 00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:02.160 to have some fric... I mean, I'm not talking 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:04.059 about just a regular argument between friends, 00:29:04.059 --> 00:29:06.400 we all do that. I'm like, when did you start 00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:08.900 to realize, Chad, that, okay, this is a problem, 00:29:09.299 --> 00:29:11.799 it's affecting our relationship, and this could 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:14.059 be a problem down the road? When did that start? 00:29:15.529 --> 00:29:18.109 Me seeing it as a problem probably sometime in 00:29:18.109 --> 00:29:22.569 like 99 2000 When when he came to Chad and said 00:29:22.569 --> 00:29:25.029 he wasn't gonna write to his ideas anymore. I'm 00:29:25.029 --> 00:29:28.390 like, that's probably not great And then just 00:29:28.390 --> 00:29:30.970 that whole time period from 2000 to 2009 when 00:29:30.970 --> 00:29:33.390 we broke up the first time there was really no 00:29:33.390 --> 00:29:37.490 communication between Ed and the three of us 00:29:37.490 --> 00:29:39.329 I mean we'd see each other hang out and talk 00:29:39.329 --> 00:29:42.529 and stuff but like talking about anything Significant 00:29:42.529 --> 00:29:45.670 or serious about the band And that killed the 00:29:45.670 --> 00:29:47.890 distance to here, too, because the Chad Taylor 00:29:47.890 --> 00:29:50.269 songs from their change, don't wait and all that 00:29:50.269 --> 00:29:53.450 were fucking amazing. They were heavy. You guys 00:29:53.450 --> 00:29:56.849 were rocking and, you know, not saying that the 00:29:56.849 --> 00:29:58.869 distance here wasn't great, but there was a alternate 00:29:58.869 --> 00:30:01.589 version that was fucking rocking. Oh, for sure. 00:30:01.690 --> 00:30:07.130 Yeah. And that was kind of became Ed's. He decided 00:30:07.130 --> 00:30:11.210 to not include those songs on this here. For 00:30:11.210 --> 00:30:14.250 good or bad. Do you think that? Do you think 00:30:14.250 --> 00:30:17.029 that there's any chance down the road you'll 00:30:17.029 --> 00:30:19.210 start talking to Ed again? And I don't know. 00:30:19.269 --> 00:30:21.109 I mean, there's, there's obviously a lot of money 00:30:21.109 --> 00:30:23.109 involved, but, but I mean, just for the sake 00:30:23.109 --> 00:30:24.809 of even friendship, forget about even getting 00:30:24.809 --> 00:30:27.269 on stage with them again. You know, I don't know 00:30:27.269 --> 00:30:28.730 if I want to be his friend again. I don't, I 00:30:28.730 --> 00:30:32.470 don't know if he was ever really my friend. Really? 00:30:33.630 --> 00:30:35.910 It's just, you don't feel the same way about 00:30:35.910 --> 00:30:39.269 Chad and Patrick that you do about Ed? Uh, no, 00:30:39.369 --> 00:30:43.009 I mean, Chad and Patrick are. They were they've 00:30:43.009 --> 00:30:45.289 they've been my friends forever. I mean, you 00:30:45.289 --> 00:30:47.269 know, there's some bright shit that went down. 00:30:47.450 --> 00:30:50.450 I think we'll figure that out eventually. But 00:30:50.450 --> 00:30:53.069 that thing is like at this point, it's just it's 00:30:53.069 --> 00:30:56.769 just wild to look back on. Like you feel used, 00:30:56.910 --> 00:30:59.250 Chad, like you feel used like the relationship 00:30:59.250 --> 00:31:03.630 was always kind of surface and not friends friendship, 00:31:03.630 --> 00:31:05.990 because like if you really get into it, like 00:31:05.990 --> 00:31:08.890 how does a friend fucking do this to another 00:31:08.890 --> 00:31:12.009 friend? in the grand scheme of things. Yeah, 00:31:12.049 --> 00:31:15.490 I mean, yes, I think it was very surface. I think 00:31:15.490 --> 00:31:18.069 it's very surface with most most people. Because 00:31:18.069 --> 00:31:20.309 wasn't the story that he kind of came into your 00:31:20.309 --> 00:31:23.109 audition for the band with like the ulterior 00:31:23.109 --> 00:31:25.609 motive of being the lead singer, but didn't come

00:31:25.609 --> 00:31:27.450 in there and say that to you guys like he came 00:31:27.450 --> 00:31:29.890 in there and I think to audition is like a guitarist 00:31:29.890 --> 00:31:31.769 or something. Yeah, he wanted to come to practice 00:31:31.769 --> 00:31:34.130 and play guitar. That's what he told Chad because 00:31:34.130 --> 00:31:36.089 Chad Chad and him knew each other from elementary 00:31:36.089 --> 00:31:39.759 school. I sort of knew Ed in middle school. So 00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:41.460 eighth grade, we did our talent show, the three 00:31:41.460 --> 00:31:43.680 of us, Patrick, Chad and I, and then I was in 00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:46.720 the audience and came to practice during that 00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:49.359 summer between middle school and high school. 00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:51.960 Yeah. With saying he wanted to play guitar and 00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:53.900 then we were like, Oh, let's sing a song. So 00:31:53.900 --> 00:31:55.980 we did a song and he sang and when he left, we 00:31:55.980 --> 00:31:58.180 were like, Oh, he's our singer. So we totally 00:31:58.180 --> 00:32:00.660 invited him in. Yeah. I think he's telling the 00:32:00.660 --> 00:32:04.559 story. Like he started the band now. Oh, Jesus. 00:32:04.700 --> 00:32:07.410 Okay, Chad. Chad, from a decent, from a decent 00:32:07.410 --> 00:32:09.289 human being perspective, this is the part that 00:32:09.289 --> 00:32:11.569 I just can't realm that, you know, you guys were, 00:32:11.670 --> 00:32:13.029 whether you were close with that or not, you 00:32:13.029 --> 00:32:14.690 guys were friends since middle school, right? 00:32:14.930 --> 00:32:16.829 And he gets on stage with these guys that he's 00:32:16.829 --> 00:32:19.210 known for maybe several years, making all this 00:32:19.210 --> 00:32:21.630 money, knowing that you guys are making a fraction. 00:32:22.269 --> 00:32:24.509 And it's like, even the differences that you 00:32:24.509 --> 00:32:26.190 guys have had, I don't know how he could look 00:32:26.190 --> 00:32:28.710 himself in the mirror and say, fuck those guys. 00:32:28.930 --> 00:32:30.849 I'm doing my own thing. And they, you know, I 00:32:30.849 --> 00:32:32.769 mean, that's really what he's doing. Fuck those 00:32:32.769 --> 00:32:35.210 guys. Instead of picking up the phone and saying, 00:32:35.589 --> 00:32:38.289 look, we may never get along, but let's get in 00:32:38.289 --> 00:32:40.490 a room and let's talk at a minimum. I would do 00:32:40.490 --> 00:32:43.150 that. Right. That's not how he works. He has 00:32:43.150 --> 00:32:45.950 people talk for him. He has his, he has his manager 00:32:45.950 --> 00:32:48.049 or his lawyer or whoever the fuck you want. He, 00:32:48.049 --> 00:32:49.990 he, he will not sit in a room with you and actually 00:32:49.990 --> 00:32:52.569 have a real conversation. Well, that's a coward. 00:32:52.809 --> 00:32:55.190 He's a coward. We came back together in 16. I 00:32:55.190 --> 00:32:57.750 was like, we need

band therapy. I told this story 00:32:57.750 --> 00:32:59.750 many times. Like, yeah, we need band therapy 00:32:59.750 --> 00:33:03.279 and no one, no one wanted to do it. I mean, maybe 00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:05.400 Patrick would have done it if everyone else said, 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:07.920 yeah, they were going to do it. But like Ed and 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.940 Chad and management would not put put the even 00:33:10.940 --> 00:33:13.460 put any energy into like even thinking about 00:33:13.460 --> 00:33:15.019 it. And I was like, OK, this is going to end 00:33:15.019 --> 00:33:17.880 in tragedy. Yeah. And so that's and like you 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:19.680 said, that's so unfortunate. If you can't get 00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.140 in a room and discuss something with with people 00:33:22.140 --> 00:33:25.500 that you've grown up with. Like, what the fuck? 00:33:25.940 --> 00:33:29.220 It's just insane. I mean, Chad, we don't really 00:33:29.220 --> 00:33:31.309 know each other, but. we were still able to have 00:33:31.309 --> 00:33:33.329 like a 30 minute political conversation, even 00:33:33.329 --> 00:33:34.869 though we're on opposite ends of the spectrum. 00:33:34.930 --> 00:33:37.990 So if we can do that, I'm pretty sure exactly, 00:33:38.369 --> 00:33:39.890 I would give them the benefit of the doubt. But 00:33:39.890 --> 00:33:42.789 like at this point, it's just he, I mean, when 00:33:42.789 --> 00:33:45.170 we, when we sued him the first time in 2009, 00:33:45.170 --> 00:33:47.509 we called him and we're like, Hey, we got a problem. 00:33:47.569 --> 00:33:50.690 Like, we want to talk about this. Ignore, not 00:33:50.690 --> 00:33:52.630 even, he wouldn't even think he wouldn't even 00:33:52.630 --> 00:33:54.569 acknowledge it. And we're like, okay, well, we're 00:33:54.569 --> 00:33:58.279 going to get going. because we feel strongly 00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:00.740 about this, still just ignored it. Like, OK, 00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:02.599 well, then we're suing you. And you know what 00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:06.380 it is, Brian, like Chad has Chad Gracie has no 00:34:06.380 --> 00:34:08.539 problem getting into the room because he's kind 00:34:08.539 --> 00:34:10.719 of been on the right side, like throughout this 00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:12.780 whole thing. Of course, bad decisions here and 00:34:12.780 --> 00:34:15.420 there. Right. But he's willing to get everything 00:34:15.420 --> 00:34:18.519 out. Talk about his portion of it. He's apologized 00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:21.300 for portions of his part in it and stuff like 00:34:21.300 --> 00:34:24.440 that. So he's been trying to be the bigger man 00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:27.389 throughout this entire situation. I would say 00:34:27.389 --> 00:34:31.769 there's two people in Original Live that don't 00:34:31.769 --> 00:34:34.869 want everybody talking together and getting to 00:34:34.869 --> 00:34:37.769 the bottom of things, because there was, I believe, 00:34:37.969 --> 00:34:42.269 two in that band that brought it down from whoever 00:34:42.269 --> 00:34:45.730 started it. Chad and Ed. Not this Chad, Chad 00:34:45.730 --> 00:34:47.730 Taylor and Ed. However it started, who threw 00:34:47.730 --> 00:34:50.429 the first punch, I don't know. But that's where 00:34:50.429 --> 00:34:53.630 the friction became. And those, I would think 00:34:53.630 --> 00:34:56.130 that's why conversations didn't happen, because 00:34:56.460 --> 00:34:58.940 Shit would have been a spotlight on individuals 00:34:58.940 --> 00:35:02.960 who cause shit and they didn't want that. I don't 00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:05.300 know. You know, listen, I can only go by, you 00:35:05.300 --> 00:35:07.880 know, meeting you guys, the band probably dozens 00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:10.480 of times since I was a kid. And I always thought 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:13.079 Ed was aloof. He's just a weird cat. He's just 00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:15.119 different. He's just ego different. And then, 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:17.059 you know, meeting you back in the day and even 00:35:17.059 --> 00:35:19.420 Chad Taylor, just down to earth. Nice to talk 00:35:19.420 --> 00:35:21.980 to Chad Taylor. He'll talk to any fan, at least 00:35:21.980 --> 00:35:24.639 from what I've seen. and the way he treated me 00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:26.480 just really cooled the fans and stuff. And Ed 00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:28.239 was just like, okay, here's an autograph. Here's 00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.500 a picture moving on. I mean, that's kind of what 00:35:30.500 --> 00:35:33.360 I saw from him until recently when I met him 00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:36.159 last year. But yeah, it just, it sucks when, 00:35:36.619 --> 00:35:38.579 you know, like I said, hands down, you guys are 00:35:38.579 --> 00:35:40.719 my favorite band since I was 14 years old, still 00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:43.619 to this day. And I'll still go and I'll, yeah, 00:35:43.619 --> 00:35:45.480 of course I'll still go and I'll see Ed because 00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:47.400 it's live and you know, on the throwing copper 00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:49.960 25 year anniversary, Ed with an acoustic guitar. 00:35:50.260 --> 00:35:52.139 That was cool. playing the album front to back. 00:35:52.579 --> 00:35:54.619 I actually saw you guys chat in Atlantic City 00:35:54.619 --> 00:35:58.960 with Chris Shin, right? Is that his name? I saw 00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.340 that show where he did, you guys did Copper front 00:36:01.340 --> 00:36:04.119 to back and I thought you guys were great. I 00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.300 was in that show in Atlantic City and I thought 00:36:07.300 --> 00:36:09.119 he did a good job. By the way, I thought that 00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:12.599 album was pretty good, by the way. Re -released 00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:14.719 that at some point, but yeah, I enjoyed that 00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:18.179 record. I really thought it was good with Chris. 00:36:18.539 --> 00:36:21.380 and just doing the old school way, the way we

00:36:21.380 --> 00:36:24.280 did it. Like, you know, I get you this idea and 00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:26.019 this is fucking great. Let's put it together 00:36:26.019 --> 00:36:29.380 and get the arrangement going. And Chris is hashing 00:36:29.380 --> 00:36:31.760 out the melody and then he figures out the lyrics 00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:34.760 and we made that record the way we made old school 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:38.599 live records. I guess I have you guys to blame 00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:41.619 because I saw you with Chris in Hollywood on 00:36:41.619 --> 00:36:43.980 Sunset Boulevard at House of Blues. And I met 00:36:43.980 --> 00:36:46.619 my ex -fiance at your show there. So I have you 00:36:46.619 --> 00:36:48.460 to blame for that. Yeah. I have you to blame 00:36:48.460 --> 00:36:51.059 for that. But that was, you know, Chris is a 00:36:51.059 --> 00:36:52.940 good dude and how that's all right. Chris is 00:36:52.940 --> 00:36:55.139 a good dude. And I thought that was a really 00:36:55.139 --> 00:36:57.099 underrated album. I thought he did a really good 00:36:57.099 --> 00:36:59.219 job under under those circumstances. That's not 00:36:59.219 --> 00:37:02.500 easy. You know, and I thought he did well. Stepping 00:37:02.500 --> 00:37:06.019 into that role is very hard. And And Chris is 00:37:06.019 --> 00:37:08.199 a great guy. He's a beautiful human being. I 00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:10.000 loved hanging out with him, laughing with him. 00:37:10.019 --> 00:37:14.960 He's very funny. And we just knew at some point, 00:37:15.860 --> 00:37:18.260 we knew at some point I was going to come back. 00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:23.280 So that's kind of what happened. And we talked 00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:25.920 to Chris about that eventuality. It's just, I 00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:28.800 mean, I'm sad that he went in Rolling Stone and 00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:32.159 was just not happy about the way it ended, whatever. 00:37:32.219 --> 00:37:36.309 I mean, hey. What did he expect? I mean, yeah, 00:37:36.590 --> 00:37:38.710 it's, you know, it's unfortunate, but it happened. 00:37:38.889 --> 00:37:40.809 Whatever it's, you know, you gotta move on. I'd 00:37:40.809 --> 00:37:43.449 love to talk to him again. I haven't, I haven't 00:37:43.449 --> 00:37:48.909 seen him since 2014 or 15. His family has a lot 00:37:48.909 --> 00:37:51.630 of money. That's probably irrelevant to the conversation. 00:37:53.289 --> 00:37:56.829 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's great for 00:37:56.829 --> 00:37:59.150 him. I'm happy for him. George Shinn is an amazing, 00:37:59.150 --> 00:38:02.210 uh, talented guy. He's got some new music coming 00:38:02.210 --> 00:38:04.769 out. Definitely. I think about a year ago he 00:38:04.769 --> 00:38:07.309 was like putting stuff out saying a new album 00:38:07.309 --> 00:38:08.590 was coming soon. I don't know if it dropped. 00:38:08.889 --> 00:38:14.030 I didn't catch it. Patrick went down and played 00:38:14.030 --> 00:38:16.409 some shows

with him for that record. What do 00:38:16.409 --> 00:38:18.469 you make of Chad Taylor doing a couple of those 00:38:18.469 --> 00:38:21.130 shows with Patrick and singing some of your songs 00:38:21.130 --> 00:38:23.989 in a different kind of way? I thought that was 00:38:23.989 --> 00:38:26.389 a little bizarre. Did you see any of those videos? 00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:29.400 No, I didn't watch any of them. I heard about 00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:32.280 it all, but it was strange. It was very strange. 00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:41.739 For all the faults of Chad, he is a great human 00:38:41.739 --> 00:38:45.179 being at his core, but there was just some bullshit 00:38:45.179 --> 00:38:47.559 that went down with one of our companies. I couldn't 00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:49.440 get financials and he refused to give them to 00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:53.539 me and just cut me off. But having said that, 00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:57.440 looking back on live, he's very key to a lot 00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.380 of like the cool shit that's on the records like 00:39:00.380 --> 00:39:05.019 the guitar parts and and and just the uh the 00:39:05.019 --> 00:39:07.800 texture of the records like that's that's a lot 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.340 of chad his passion for the music chad might 00:39:10.340 --> 00:39:12.900 have been what fucked up some shit too like the 00:39:12.900 --> 00:39:14.980 the fact that he loved it so much and then he's 00:39:14.980 --> 00:39:17.460 taking credit for some of the songs that he wrote 00:39:17.460 --> 00:39:19.260 like that could have been a part of it too because 00:39:19.260 --> 00:39:22.239 you could definitely see his passion for live 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:24.880 and i think that was him playing these chad taylor 00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:27.690 and friend shows like This music is such a big 00:39:27.690 --> 00:39:30.489 part of my life. I can't just let it go and not 00:39:30.489 --> 00:39:33.150 do anything with it. Like, I still love it. Like, 00:39:33.389 --> 00:39:35.590 I think he, yeah, I think he still, you know, 00:39:35.690 --> 00:39:37.250 had always had that love and passion. Oh, yeah. 00:39:37.309 --> 00:39:39.289 He's very proud of and he loves the music that 00:39:39.289 --> 00:39:41.389 he helped contribute to. He should. He should. 00:39:41.670 --> 00:39:45.289 He should. I remember interviewing. I remember 00:39:45.289 --> 00:39:48.769 Chad interviewing a five year throwing copper 00:39:48.769 --> 00:39:51.510 tour that he did with an R. And I asked him because 00:39:51.510 --> 00:39:53.510 the turn and I asked him, I said, what do you 00:39:53.510 --> 00:39:55.590 think of Chris? And did you listen to the turn? 00:39:55.690 --> 00:39:58.090 And his answer was, no, I didn't listen to it. 00:39:58.110 --> 00:40:00.590 I thought he was lying. There's no chance he 00:40:00.590 --> 00:40:02.449 didn't hear it. Right. I mean, I didn't want 00:40:02.449 --> 00:40:04.030 to say that on the air, but I'm like, dude, you're 00:40:04.030 --> 00:40:07.090 lying to me. Yeah. Right. Now, conversely, I 00:40:07.090 --> 00:40:10.670 never listened to any of his solar records. Chad, 00:40:10.789 --> 00:40:12.369 you're not missing anything. And it pains me 00:40:12.369 --> 00:40:15.389 to say that because, you know, but that's, that's 00:40:15.389 --> 00:40:18.279 what I'm thinking. I mean, it's just like, We 00:40:18.279 --> 00:40:20.519 jokingly call it song from songs from Ed's mountain. 00:40:21.420 --> 00:40:25.559 I mean, that's funny. It's the same stuff. It's 00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:29.739 got no edginess to it. In my opinion. You know, 00:40:29.780 --> 00:40:32.239 it's not it doesn't sound like live. It sounds 00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:34.900 like a guy that it's like pop music to me. It 00:40:34.900 --> 00:40:36.800 just it's not the same. It just doesn't sound. 00:40:37.179 --> 00:40:39.139 I just don't like it. It doesn't it doesn't resonate 00:40:39.139 --> 00:40:42.519 with me. That is that is that's that's Ed with 00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:44.519 no one around him telling him no. That's that's 00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.010 what it is. So you think if you guys weren't 00:40:47.010 --> 00:40:49.250 around him, that's what Ed would have sounded 00:40:49.250 --> 00:40:54.090 like 25, 30 years ago? I don't know if he would 00:40:54.090 --> 00:40:57.429 have sounded like that from the get, but I'm 00:40:57.429 --> 00:41:00.570 not sure how to answer that. I mean, we definitely 00:41:00.570 --> 00:41:05.590 all had say in what idea was being played to 00:41:05.590 --> 00:41:09.050 and the arrangement of the idea and figuring 00:41:09.050 --> 00:41:12.590 out what sounded cool, where, we were all involved 00:41:12.590 --> 00:41:16.800 in that process. I don't know if he would have 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:21.079 been, you know, quote unquote, cheesy then. That's 00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:22.960 what it sounds like. No, but you're right. It 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:27.659 is cheesy. You're right. I don't like it. Even 00:41:27.659 --> 00:41:30.039 some live songs where he doesn't sing certain 00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:31.760 parts of certain songs and he kind of puts the 00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:33.380 mic out into the crowd. I hate that. I don't 00:41:33.380 --> 00:41:35.820 like that. But but I still think his voice is 00:41:35.820 --> 00:41:38.039 capable. I mean, I think when he when he has 00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:40.340 when he has an acoustic guitar, I mean, I just 00:41:40.340 --> 00:41:42.380 you can hear it. You know, he still sounds great. 00:41:43.299 --> 00:41:45.539 I will detract nothing from his talent. He's 00:41:45.539 --> 00:41:47.920 an amazing singer. He's an amazing performer, 00:41:48.420 --> 00:41:51.800 plays guitar pretty well. And, you know, obviously 00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:54.119 the lyrics and melody that he's written over 00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:56.719 the years have been astounding. Yeah. All that 00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:59.519 could be true and you could

still be, you know, 00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:02.219 so it happens. Personal question. You don't have 00:42:02.219 --> 00:42:04.739 to answer it, but like, did you guys, any of 00:42:04.739 --> 00:42:06.659 you guys ever get into physical altercations 00:42:06.659 --> 00:42:08.179 when you guys weren't getting along? I'm just 00:42:08.179 --> 00:42:10.679 curious. Oh, Chad and Ed fought a couple of times, 00:42:10.940 --> 00:42:13.429 but this is back when we were younger. nothing 00:42:13.429 --> 00:42:15.750 like that one when we were older but like in 00:42:15.750 --> 00:42:18.869 high school and stuff in middle school yeah on 00:42:18.869 --> 00:42:21.550 a lighter note how the fuck did you grow up in 00:42:21.550 --> 00:42:23.570 york pennsylvania like there's nothing there 00:42:23.570 --> 00:42:26.809 dude like i live in vegas i know the song shit 00:42:26.809 --> 00:42:29.630 town is about but like okay so i grew up in a 00:42:29.630 --> 00:42:31.929 small town in connecticut but we were in between 00:42:31.929 --> 00:42:35.789 new york and boston so if i wanted some fun i 00:42:35.789 --> 00:42:38.519 could just drive a couple hours right like I 00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:40.860 would have lost my mind. I don't know. Well, 00:42:40.860 --> 00:42:43.139 it'd be fair. We were 45 minutes from Baltimore 00:42:43.139 --> 00:42:45.159 an hour and a half from Philly. So we did have 00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:47.199 access to those things, but I don't know. You 00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:49.480 know, I mean, we, you know, we did write a song 00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:51.619 about it called shit town, but you know, when 00:42:51.619 --> 00:42:54.440 you're, when you're a young kid, like you have 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:57.599 what you have and you can figure out what to 00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:00.280 do in those small towns. But once we started 00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:04.760 traveling, we were like, Oh, okay. Yeah. The 00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:06.719 world's a lot different than fucking York. What 00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.130 was it? What was it like when you're the artist 00:43:09.130 --> 00:43:12.809 of the year? I would imagine the ladies are not 00:43:12.809 --> 00:43:15.150 difficult to come by without getting into detail. 00:43:15.369 --> 00:43:17.150 But like, what is that lifestyle like when you 00:43:17.150 --> 00:43:19.869 have chicks, when you're single and you have 00:43:19.869 --> 00:43:23.010 chicks waiting for you backstage? And I mean, 00:43:23.389 --> 00:43:25.550 there's a lot of people in life that never have 00:43:25.550 --> 00:43:27.949 those kinds of opportunities that you guys had. 00:43:28.010 --> 00:43:30.250 You're playing in front of 30, 40 ,000 people. 00:43:30.489 --> 00:43:32.349 There's beautiful women waiting for you guys, 00:43:32.429 --> 00:43:35.630 right? What was that like back then? Um, it was 00:43:35.630 --> 00:43:37.789 always very fucking cool. I mean, so the first 00:43:37.789 --> 00:43:39.610 show, the very first show we ever played was 00:43:39.610 --> 00:43:41.369 like that eighth grade talent show. And it was 00:43:41.369 --> 00:43:43.710 Chad Patrick and I, and we won the talent show. 00:43:43.769 --> 00:43:45.769 We had all these girls screaming at us, all the 00:43:45.769 --> 00:43:47.550 girls that we went to school with who wouldn't 00:43:47.550 --> 00:43:49.710 really look at us now screaming at us were like, 00:43:49.869 --> 00:43:51.769 okay, this is pretty fucking cool. I get this. 00:43:52.070 --> 00:43:56.550 I want to do this, you know? So, but as we, when 00:43:56.550 --> 00:43:59.860 we started becoming big, I was I had a girlfriend 00:43:59.860 --> 00:44:02.760 and I got married in like 90 when I got married 00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:06.840 96. You moron. I know. I had a girlfriend from 00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:12.699 like 93. And I was faithful to her. And a good 00:44:12.699 --> 00:44:15.360 guy married. That was my first wife until 99 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:20.579 2000. And then I had two years of rock stardom 00:44:20.579 --> 00:44:23.199 being on the road and I had a pretty, pretty 00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:26.969 fun time. That was Yes, it makes picking up chicks 00:44:26.969 --> 00:44:29.789 a lot easier, that's for sure. It's some social, 00:44:29.789 --> 00:44:31.550 what do they call it? Social lubrication, for 00:44:31.550 --> 00:44:34.869 sure. Did you ever have any famous celebrities 00:44:34.869 --> 00:44:39.110 like women reach out to you during that time? 00:44:40.349 --> 00:44:42.969 I reached out to a couple and interacted with 00:44:42.969 --> 00:44:46.969 a few, but I never had anyone reach out to me 00:44:46.969 --> 00:44:50.159 just directly, no. Yeah, I remember the days 00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:51.840 when Dennis Rodman used to hang out with you 00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:55.059 guys Right, and that was he's quite the character, 00:44:55.059 --> 00:44:58.360 but that's pretty cool Remember remember Chad 00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:01.500 when he was doing that MTV show and I remember 00:45:01.500 --> 00:45:03.860 one of the episodes he was wearing a live shirt 00:45:03.860 --> 00:45:05.420 I thought that I thought that was pretty cool. 00:45:05.659 --> 00:45:09.400 Yeah, he Dennis is awesome. He's a Dennis is 00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:12.139 a great guy He just he when he drinks he becomes 00:45:12.139 --> 00:45:14.159 a fucking asshole, but he's amazing guy when 00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:17.380 he's sober uh very emotional and like very like 00:45:17.380 --> 00:45:19.579 he's like very great one -on -one with you when 00:45:19.579 --> 00:45:22.219 he's sober but he start drinking and lose it 00:45:22.219 --> 00:45:24.460 but yeah he come to the shows and like he just 00:45:24.460 --> 00:45:26.679 walk on stage who the fuck's gonna stop him so 00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:29.099 you just get out there and just start singing 00:45:29.099 --> 00:45:31.699 it's tough and we're like okay why not yeah i 00:45:31.699 --> 00:45:35.900 remember i remember us

for a while that's funny 00:45:35.900 --> 00:45:37.739 i remember uh when you guys played a show in 00:45:37.739 --> 00:45:39.719 new york i want to say it was the distance to 00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:42.539 hear tora i don't remember a basketball player 00:45:42.539 --> 00:45:44.380 by the name of Jason Williams who I think at 00:45:44.380 --> 00:45:46.179 the time played for the New Jersey Nets was at 00:45:46.179 --> 00:45:48.780 your show and he loved you guys and I was talking 00:45:48.780 --> 00:45:53.639 to him for a little bit. I wanted to ask you 00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:55.699 guys this question because I know you guys talked 00:45:55.699 --> 00:45:58.599 about REM and U2, the bands that influenced you 00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:01.519 guys. A lot of alternative rock bands that I 00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:04.360 talked to say they were influenced by a band 00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:06.079 called Failure. I don't know if you know who 00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:10.030 Ken Andrews is. He's a record producer. No, that 00:46:10.030 --> 00:46:12.489 doesn't ring a bell. Okay. But you guys were 00:46:12.489 --> 00:46:15.730 R .E .M. and U2 were like your biggest for you. 00:46:16.769 --> 00:46:19.909 Yeah. I mean, we covered all that stuff when 00:46:19.909 --> 00:46:21.409 we were in middle school and high school. We 00:46:21.409 --> 00:46:26.269 covered U2, R .E .M., Smiths, InXS. I mean, but 00:46:26.269 --> 00:46:29.869 U2 and R .E .M. were definitely for me anyway. 00:46:30.369 --> 00:46:33.489 I think the biggest influences. Yeah, that's 00:46:33.489 --> 00:46:37.139 cool. It's so nice to be able to talk music because 00:46:37.139 --> 00:46:39.539 I have to talk politics every day and I get so 00:46:39.539 --> 00:46:42.260 burnt out. You have no idea. I do 10 hours. I 00:46:42.260 --> 00:46:44.920 did the Pierce Morgan show last week and that's 00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:46.800 it. You know, I, I think I asked you, I saw you 00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.860 on there. I was like, yeah, that was me. That's 00:46:49.860 --> 00:46:52.559 me. I did it. I was Pierce, Brian. Um, you know, 00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:54.820 I'm going to Chad, I had asked you, do you ever 00:46:54.820 --> 00:46:57.599 get nervous on stage? I never get nervous doing 00:46:57.599 --> 00:46:59.880 radio, but I was hyperventilating Chad before 00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:01.739 going on Pierce. Cause that's, that's a big deal 00:47:01.739 --> 00:47:04.000 for me. Right? So the first time I, I went on 00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:06.019 twice last month. The first time I was literally 00:47:06.019 --> 00:47:09.300 hyperventilating. But once I started talking, 00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:10.920 it's kind of like what you said, get into that 00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:13.780 first song, you're fine. For me, it was once 00:47:13.780 --> 00:47:17.059 I started talking, I was okay. But man, I was 00:47:17.059 --> 00:47:20.059 pretty nervous before going on that show, because 00:47:20.059 --> 00:47:21.500 there's a lot of

people watching. There's a lot 00:47:21.500 --> 00:47:24.460 of people watching. I had the most problem doing 00:47:24.460 --> 00:47:27.119 live TV, like Saturday Night Live or like playing 00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:30.920 on David Letterman or any of those talk shows. 00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:33.380 Right. because I didn't want to think about the 00:47:33.380 --> 00:47:36.099 millions of people watching. And I remember that 00:47:36.099 --> 00:47:38.780 was when Chevy Chase hosted, right? That was 00:47:38.780 --> 00:47:40.260 one of the times you did it. We did it twice. 00:47:40.420 --> 00:47:42.519 Yeah, we did it with David Hyde Pierce the first 00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:44.280 time, and then Chevy Chase the second time. Yeah. 00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:47.820 That Lachini's used live performance when Chevy 00:47:47.820 --> 00:47:51.460 Chase hosted was so awesome. I still remember 00:47:51.460 --> 00:47:54.579 that. And I remember Patrick's leopard pants. 00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:58.840 For whatever reason, I still remember that. What 00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:00.659 was the deal when you guys were with Chris and 00:48:00.659 --> 00:48:02.519 and and it seemed like Chad and Patrick like 00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:04.380 put like dirt on their shirts and stuff What 00:48:04.380 --> 00:48:07.099 was up with that? I came up with that. We were 00:48:07.099 --> 00:48:09.659 all doing we were putting like like powder on 00:48:09.659 --> 00:48:12.699 us We wear black and put powder on us. I don't 00:48:12.699 --> 00:48:15.639 know Sometimes we thought it would be a cool 00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:19.780 static stuff Yeah, what is that like doing Saturday 00:48:19.780 --> 00:48:21.699 Night Live man, that's unbelievable. How many 00:48:21.699 --> 00:48:23.619 bands can say they've done Saturday Night Live? 00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:25.260 I mean, that's amazing. Yeah, the first time 00:48:25.260 --> 00:48:28.150 we got it that was Probably the most nervous 00:48:28.150 --> 00:48:30.550 I was to to do that the first time like Saturday 00:48:30.550 --> 00:48:34.150 Night Live like oh my god here we are and uh, 00:48:34.230 --> 00:48:35.650 That's when you know, you've made it right? That's 00:48:35.650 --> 00:48:39.030 when you know, you're great too. That was uh, 00:48:39.469 --> 00:48:42.650 What was uh guy's name chris farley? Yeah, we 00:48:42.650 --> 00:48:45.269 love him And if you look at the end if you watch 00:48:45.269 --> 00:48:48.349 that show to the end There's a point where patrick 00:48:48.349 --> 00:48:50.250 chad and I surround chris farley and we start 00:48:50.250 --> 00:48:52.329 hugging him and jumping up and down And he's 00:48:52.329 --> 00:48:55.989 just kind of like what the fuck That's so cool 00:48:56.139 --> 00:48:58.880 You know, it reminded me of you guys, I just 00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:01.440 saw the band Fuel. And I think you guys toured 00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:02.780 with them back in the day. Great band, right? 00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:04.679 But Brett Scallions is no longer the lead singer. 00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:07.420 Him and their guitar player, Carl Bell, have 00:49:07.420 --> 00:49:09.559 gotten into it. And I talked to Carl after the 00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:12.639 show, right? And I said, Carl, he's done my show 00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:14.139 before. I said, Carl, do you still talk to Brett? 00:49:14.659 --> 00:49:16.639 And he went from smiley face, hey, how you doing, 00:49:16.860 --> 00:49:19.639 Brian, to like, you could see the anger in his 00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:22.619 face, right? And I'm like, man, it's just, it's 00:49:22.619 --> 00:49:24.710 brutal. You know, you guys make magic together 00:49:24.710 --> 00:49:27.170 and now it's so bad that, you know, you hear 00:49:27.170 --> 00:49:29.090 somebody's name and it just changes your mood, 00:49:29.090 --> 00:49:31.469 man. I mean, I mean, he, I think his relationship 00:49:31.469 --> 00:49:34.230 with Brett is probably even worse than your relationship 00:49:34.230 --> 00:49:37.909 with Ed. I mean, that seemed to me, but they've 00:49:37.909 --> 00:49:40.769 historically been really bad because we're very 00:49:40.769 --> 00:49:42.849 familiar with fuel because they had the same 00:49:42.849 --> 00:49:44.789 manager as us for a while. They actually moved. 00:49:46.010 --> 00:49:49.130 Excuse me. They moved to Pennsylvania to get 00:49:49.130 --> 00:49:51.750 our management, which was David Sestak at media 00:49:51.750 --> 00:49:54.920 five. um at the time right so we're very familiar 00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:57.760 with them we yeah watched them do come up all 00:49:57.760 --> 00:49:59.780 their shows coming up and stuff and then they 00:49:59.780 --> 00:50:02.260 exploded and did really well and then you found 00:50:02.260 --> 00:50:05.920 out that carl and uh and brett hated each other 00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:10.360 yeah sucks so so chad i got into radio because 00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:13.320 of howard stern and i still remember you made 00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:15.000 one appearance on that show is that we were on 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:17.280 twice you do more we were on in the 90s oh i 00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:20.860 didn't know that 2000s yeah okay What the show 00:50:20.860 --> 00:50:23.300 where it was a very attractive female manager 00:50:23.300 --> 00:50:25.699 you guys had at the time was like dancing with 00:50:25.699 --> 00:50:27.360 Howard Do you remember that was that the show 00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:32.179 in the 90s? I think she was one record company 00:50:32.179 --> 00:50:36.179 ladies What was that like doing Howard well, 00:50:36.179 --> 00:50:39.460 it's amazing I was a big fan of Howard and he 00:50:39.460 --> 00:50:42.980 it was just I mean a great honor to do that because 00:50:42.980 --> 00:50:46.949 I loved listening to show yeah, and I would imagine 00:50:46.949 --> 00:50:49.590 you don't like his politics these days. Yeah, 00:50:49.730 --> 00:50:51.989 kind of. Yeah. I mean, whatever. It's the COVID

00:50:51.989 --> 00:50:56.130 really fucked him up, but whatever. Well, he's 00:50:56.130 --> 00:50:58.150 always been a likes Trump. He just doesn't like 00:50:58.150 --> 00:51:00.550 the people who voted for him. So he's coming 00:51:00.550 --> 00:51:04.710 around. Yeah. He has been pretty consistent with 00:51:04.710 --> 00:51:06.829 that, but he's a germaphobe. You know, he's like 00:51:06.829 --> 00:51:10.469 major, major OCD. You know what I mean? So that 00:51:10.469 --> 00:51:13.039 yeah. He's it's very strange because off the 00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:15.039 air he's I've met him off. He's very different. 00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:18.159 He's very quiet He's very reserved stays in his 00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:20.619 home, but you get that guy in front of a microphone 00:51:20.619 --> 00:51:22.659 Like i'm always an asshole, you know i'm an asshole 00:51:22.659 --> 00:51:25.880 on and off the air. Yeah, but But you know, you 00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:27.579 know what? I mean, like some people have a persona 00:51:27.579 --> 00:51:29.980 on the air and off the air But I I listened to 00:51:29.980 --> 00:51:32.500 his his show back in the early 90s and I said 00:51:32.500 --> 00:51:34.739 man, I want to do that Unfortunately now there's 00:51:34.739 --> 00:51:36.960 more male nudity than female nudity. I can't 00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:41.630 say i'm a big fan of that But you know, Chad, 00:51:42.010 --> 00:51:44.710 regardless of his political views, I think he's 00:51:44.710 --> 00:51:46.409 the best ever at interviewing people. By far. 00:51:46.570 --> 00:51:48.449 He gets stuff out of people. I've said that many, 00:51:48.489 --> 00:51:50.670 many times. He gets, especially now he's moving 00:51:50.670 --> 00:51:52.469 into more like the interviewing thing instead 00:51:52.469 --> 00:51:56.389 of the, like all the gags and shit. Yeah, he 00:51:56.389 --> 00:51:58.590 gets stuff out of people that no other interviewer 00:51:58.590 --> 00:52:00.429 would get them to talk about. He treats it like 00:52:00.429 --> 00:52:03.840 a therapy session. You know what? Right. You 00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:05.980 know, you know who I get got to get Chad to debate 00:52:05.980 --> 00:52:08.179 a friend of mine the lead singer of filter Richard 00:52:08.179 --> 00:52:11.239 Patrick He's a huge liberal. Yeah, but he's a 00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:14.619 great guy Yeah, he's a good dude. He did a lot 00:52:14.619 --> 00:52:17.420 of drugs back in the day. But boy, can you imagine 00:52:17.420 --> 00:52:19.079 if you and him got into a debate? Oh my god, 00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.519 you guys are like completely different debate 00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:27.000 He doesn't even yeah, he doesn't even he rarely 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:28.840 talks to his brother anymore You know the the 00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:31.280 actor Robert Patrick, you know from the Terminator 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:33.860 movies because Robert is far to the right and 00:52:33.860 --> 00:52:35.739 he's far to

the left. How funny, same house, 00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:39.559 all different views. How did you like Marv visiting 00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:41.820 Trump in the White House? Were you for that? 00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:44.079 Because I was all for that because I think it's 00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:47.559 great to bridge the gap. Yeah, that's a good 00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:51.679 question. So I've met Bill a few times. So here's 00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:54.679 my feeling on that. It's my same feeling with 00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:57.219 Gavin Newsom interviewing Charlie Kirk and Steve 00:52:57.219 --> 00:53:00.260 Bannon. I don't mind them doing those interviews 00:53:00.260 --> 00:53:01.679 because I interview people like that all the 00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:04.550 time. but I want to see some pushback. So if 00:53:04.550 --> 00:53:06.449 Bill Maher just goes there with just the intention 00:53:06.449 --> 00:53:08.670 of being nicey -goosey after all the things he 00:53:08.670 --> 00:53:11.409 said about him, I think that's disingenuous. 00:53:11.550 --> 00:53:13.289 I'm not saying you have to go in there and call 00:53:13.289 --> 00:53:16.090 him names. I'm saying, why not challenge him 00:53:16.090 --> 00:53:18.610 a little bit? Hey, Mr. President, when I called 00:53:18.610 --> 00:53:20.730 you the orange orangutan, why did you file a 00:53:20.730 --> 00:53:24.730 lawsuit against me? Something like that. I don't 00:53:24.730 --> 00:53:26.489 know how that conversation went. I know that 00:53:26.489 --> 00:53:29.280 Kid Rock, they're mutual friends, right? and 00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:31.159 Kid Rock is the one who made that happen. Okay, 00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:33.199 fine. I didn't like the Kid Rock interview on 00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:34.900 Bill Maher's show because I want to see some 00:53:34.900 --> 00:53:36.320 pushback. I want to see that with everybody, 00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:39.900 right? I don't like puffer interviews. And I 00:53:39.900 --> 00:53:41.719 understand Bill Maher's friends with Kid Rock. 00:53:42.139 --> 00:53:43.760 Challenge people. There's a way to do it and 00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:46.440 do it respectfully. So I don't know what happened 00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:48.000 there. So you're saying to challenge because 00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:50.159 it's natural, right? Like they should be challenging 00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:52.260 because it's natural. What they're doing by not 00:53:52.260 --> 00:53:54.099 challenging is the unnatural. They're almost 00:53:54.099 --> 00:53:57.219 like acting like they like each other. Well, 00:53:57.219 --> 00:53:59.860 I can only put myself in the position of if Donald 00:53:59.860 --> 00:54:01.760 Trump, which he never would, but if I was invited 00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:04.260 to the White House, I wouldn't call names. I 00:54:04.260 --> 00:54:07.300 would be respectful. I would go. Even though 00:54:07.300 --> 00:54:09.820 I can't stand the man, but or if I played a round 00:54:09.820 --> 00:54:12.980 of golf

with him, right? I would a couple of 00:54:12.980 --> 00:54:15.420 my friends who are left leaning were offered 00:54:15.420 --> 00:54:17.019 to play golf with Trump. They're professional 00:54:17.019 --> 00:54:19.099 poker players and they didn't do it. And I said, 00:54:19.219 --> 00:54:21.360 man, you should have done it. You know, play 00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:23.659 around to golf with them. See what he is like 00:54:23.659 --> 00:54:25.980 away from the camera and maybe throw in a few 00:54:25.980 --> 00:54:28.300 questions. I would take that opportunity. So, 00:54:28.300 --> 00:54:29.920 so Chad, to answer your question, I know I'm 00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:31.780 rambling here, but I don't have a problem with 00:54:31.780 --> 00:54:34.340 him going, but it sounds to me like he didn't 00:54:34.340 --> 00:54:36.360 challenge him at all. And it was all joking and 00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:38.539 having fun. Look at the nasty stuff that you 00:54:38.539 --> 00:54:40.840 guys have said to one another. Why not challenge 00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:42.980 him a little bit? That's that's, I feel like 00:54:42.980 --> 00:54:44.960 bill doesn't do that as much as he used to that. 00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:47.119 That's my problem with bill these days. Fair 00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:49.639 enough. Yeah. I mean, it was, I don't know if 00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:52.039 this is fact or not, but I heard that he. he 00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:54.079 brought a whole list of the things that he's 00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:56.199 called Trump. Right. And then Trump signed it. 00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:58.519 And Trump signed it. He endorsed it. It's like, 00:54:58.860 --> 00:55:01.039 yeah, okay, you call me. See, I think that's 00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:04.280 funny. I think that's funny. Right. I think I 00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:05.860 don't have a problem with that at all. But, you 00:55:05.860 --> 00:55:07.619 know, maybe throw a few questions in there. You 00:55:07.619 --> 00:55:09.900 know, I mean, I, I don't know that that's that's 00:55:09.900 --> 00:55:13.280 what I would have done. But Bill is, you know, 00:55:13.340 --> 00:55:15.159 I think that there are some people that are phony. 00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:17.380 I think there's a side of Bill that's phony. 00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:19.780 He's a very intelligent guy, but I look at Joe 00:55:19.780 --> 00:55:22.059 Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski, right? They 00:55:22.059 --> 00:55:24.559 bash Trump 24 -7, and then all of a sudden they 00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:27.380 go to Mar -a -Lago to make good with him. Now, 00:55:27.380 --> 00:55:28.960 why are they doing that? Not because they want 00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:30.460 to be Donald Trump's friend, because they want 00:55:30.460 --> 00:55:32.059 him on the show, and they know it's good for 00:55:32.059 --> 00:55:34.460 their ratings. I think that's bullshit. I think 00:55:34.460 --> 00:55:36.579 you should trade, whether you agree with them 00:55:36.579 --> 00:55:38.519 or not, I think people should stay true to who 00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:41.360 they are. There's a way to do it respectfully. 00:55:42.750 --> 00:55:44.610 You know, I mean, I have people on my show all 00:55:44.610 --> 00:55:47.630 the time. You know, I mean, you know, Roger Stone 00:55:47.630 --> 00:55:50.309 did my show and Vivek Ramaswamy and Robert F. 00:55:50.349 --> 00:55:52.829 Kennedy, Jr. I don't call them. I treat people 00:55:52.829 --> 00:55:55.469 the way they treat me. Right. And I had Enrique 00:55:55.469 --> 00:55:58.050 Tario on Chad about a week after you did the 00:55:58.050 --> 00:56:00.510 show. He did a 45 minute interview with me. Now, 00:56:00.510 --> 00:56:02.929 I think he's a bad guy. I think, you know, he's 00:56:02.929 --> 00:56:05.349 a he's a really bad dude. And I think he's only 00:56:05.349 --> 00:56:07.670 in it for himself. But people were very angry 00:56:07.670 --> 00:56:11.139 at me, my listeners, because I treated him. with 00:56:11.139 --> 00:56:14.059 respect and I so what good is it going to be 00:56:14.059 --> 00:56:16.679 if I call him a traitor then he hangs up the 00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:18.300 phone and we don't have an interview and that's 00:56:18.300 --> 00:56:20.360 right I don't want I don't want to do that things 00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:22.599 that just sucks about today is that you can't 00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:25.019 be like you can't have someone like that on and 00:56:25.019 --> 00:56:27.159 then your fans are like why like they're pissed 00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:29.440 at you it's like right trying to like it's good 00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:31.500 to hear everyone's perspectives about things 00:56:31.500 --> 00:56:35.320 and and understand the other side for how they 00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:38.280 believe what they believe and not have to bash 00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:41.320 each other constantly or then be pissed off that 00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:43.659 like Bill Maher went to see Trump or Bill Maher 00:56:43.659 --> 00:56:46.000 did this or, or you have someone on that they 00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:47.440 don't like. It's like, that's just the point. 00:56:48.179 --> 00:56:51.619 There has to be a bridge between the two sides. 00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:54.219 Right. Like what don't you want spoken about 00:56:54.219 --> 00:56:56.000 because these guys are getting together? Like 00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:57.980 what, what is that? Like what could possibly 00:56:57.980 --> 00:57:01.239 happen? Yeah. Chad, that's my problem with the 00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:03.719 media today. I used to watch Crossfire with Tucker 00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:06.059 Carlson. If you remember, I thought it was a 00:57:06.059 --> 00:57:08.639 great show. Hannity and Combs. Hannity and Combs 00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:11.039 was a really good show because you got to hear 00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:14.760 both sides. If you listen to right -wing radio, 00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:17.699 rarely do they ever interview people they disagree 00:57:17.699 --> 00:57:19.960

with. Clay Travis doesn't do it. Mark Levin doesn't 00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:22.820 do it. Sean Hannity, very rare. I can't listen 00:57:22.820 --> 00:57:25.880 to that. And I would rather interview somebody 00:57:25.880 --> 00:57:29.250 that I disagree with. Then do a puffer interview 00:57:29.250 --> 00:57:30.730 with somebody that I agree with on everything. 00:57:30.789 --> 00:57:32.690 Listen, I'll interview people that I agree with 00:57:32.690 --> 00:57:34.650 on a lie. Jasmine Crockett on a few weeks ago, 00:57:34.929 --> 00:57:37.929 but I would rather interview somebody that I 00:57:37.929 --> 00:57:39.690 disagree with. And I would think as a listener, 00:57:40.150 --> 00:57:42.250 you would want to hear that good spirited debate 00:57:42.250 --> 00:57:45.170 instead of people just agreeing with one another 00:57:45.170 --> 00:57:47.230 all the time. I can't stand that. It's just like, 00:57:47.409 --> 00:57:48.670 okay, if you're a Republican, you're going to 00:57:48.670 --> 00:57:50.449 listen to Fox news. Okay. If you're a Democrat, 00:57:50.530 --> 00:57:52.409 you're going to listen to MSNBC. I just think 00:57:52.409 --> 00:57:57.380 it's. Yeah, I just don't like it, man. I don't 00:57:57.380 --> 00:58:00.039 like it. I think CNN, obviously CNN leads to 00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:02.039 the left, but at least they have more Republicans 00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:05.480 on panels, at least. Very few. I know Fox News 00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:07.579 has a few, but I just think the media today, 00:58:07.699 --> 00:58:09.980 it's just on both sides. I think it's extremely 00:58:09.980 --> 00:58:14.260 biased, and it's frustrating for me. Yeah, I 00:58:14.260 --> 00:58:16.460 agree with you. It doesn't seem like there's 00:58:16.460 --> 00:58:21.300 real journalism anymore. There's no real journalists 00:58:21.300 --> 00:58:24.500 digging into things and going, Despite what the 00:58:24.500 --> 00:58:26.820 political ramifications of it are, it's like, 00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:28.599 no, this is fucked up. Like I'm going to go into 00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:30.219 the story and figure out what's going on with 00:58:30.219 --> 00:58:32.840 this. Right. Yeah. You know why Chad though? 00:58:33.019 --> 00:58:35.739 Look at, look at X for example. Okay. There are 00:58:35.739 --> 00:58:38.539 so -called journalists on X, uh, like after the, 00:58:38.539 --> 00:58:41.280 uh, terrorist attack in New Orleans, right? Everybody 00:58:41.280 --> 00:58:44.420 was saying it's an illegal immigrant. It's open 00:58:44.420 --> 00:58:47.599 border policy and they don't wait an hour or 00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:50.030 two before getting the news correct. Now. they 00:58:50.030 --> 00:58:51.550 make more money by doing that though. If they 00:58:51.550 --> 00:58:53.590 wait an hour or two and they get a story correct, 00:58:54.130 --> 00:58:56.150 they're not going to make as much money as if 00:58:56.150 --> 00:58:58.730 a Laura Loomer tweets something out saying, oh, 00:58:58.730 --> 00:59:00.510 it was an illegal or whatever the case may be. 00:59:00.750 --> 00:59:03.110 These are the times we're living in today. It's 00:59:03.110 --> 00:59:05.369 not about getting it right. It's about getting 00:59:05.369 --> 00:59:09.829 clicks. That's what's so dangerous and it's frustrating. 00:59:09.929 --> 00:59:12.989 I was a reporter for 10 years and then I decided 00:59:12.989 --> 00:59:16.900 to be a talk show host. I like to be opinionated, 00:59:16.940 --> 00:59:18.960 but I think there's also ways of being opinionated 00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:21.800 while being responsible, and not just throwing 00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:25.099 stuff at a wall and hoping that it sticks. It's 00:59:25.099 --> 00:59:29.219 important to get stuff right. The one and only 00:59:29.219 --> 00:59:30.920 Brian Shapiro. So the way we do this, Brian, 00:59:31.019 --> 00:59:33.659 is we always leave the audience wanting more 00:59:33.659 --> 00:59:36.119 from the guest. And I know you have your show 00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:38.440 coming up relatively soon. Tell the audience 00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:40.659 where they could find your radio show and all 00:59:40.659 --> 00:59:43.849 that jazz, and where they could find you. If 00:59:43.849 --> 00:59:45.710 only my dating life was like that, they would 00:59:45.710 --> 00:59:47.070 want more for me as well. But that's another 00:59:47.070 --> 00:59:50.590 story for another show. So thank you, guys. First 00:59:50.590 --> 00:59:52.210 of all, let me just say thank you, guys. Chad, 00:59:52.449 --> 00:59:54.429 I've been a huge fan of yours for such a long 00:59:54.429 --> 00:59:56.570 time. So this was a lot of fun. I really appreciate 00:59:56.570 --> 00:59:58.650 you. And thank you for having me on, both of 00:59:58.650 --> 01:00:00.909 you guys. I really appreciate it so much. This 01:00:00.909 --> 01:00:04.170 was fun. So the show is called Pushing the Limits. 01:00:04.710 --> 01:00:09.130 The website is pushingthelimits .live. uh and 01:00:09.130 --> 01:00:11.630 uh yeah i'm on in about an hour i do 12 to 2 01:00:11.630 --> 01:00:13.570 monday through friday my youtube page is probably 01:00:13.570 --> 01:00:16.570 the best place to watch the show uh the chat 01:00:16.570 --> 01:00:21.429 is crazy it's fun uh at ptl radio show uh at 01:00:21.429 --> 01:00:24.449 ptl radio show is uh the best place to watch 01:00:24.449 --> 01:00:27.530 me on youtube and on tiktok and uh thanks again 01:00:27.530 --> 01:00:30.309 gentlemen this has been um it's a nice getaway 01:00:30.309 --> 01:00:33.110 from uh what i have to talk about every day so 01:00:33.110 --> 01:00:35.420 um I appreciate you guys and you guys are welcome 01:00:35.420 --> 01:00:37.260 to come on my show again anytime. It's been a 01:00:37.260 --> 01:00:39.460 lot of fun and I appreciate it. Thank you so 01:00:39.460 --> 01:00:41.239 much. Thank you, Brian. Appreciate it as well. 01:00:41.360 --> 01:00:43.579 My pleasure. Thank you. Brian

Shapiro. Seriously, 01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:45.760 go check out his show, folks. He's he's on there 01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:48.800 from 12 to two Vegas time. And he really does 01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:50.960 put on a good show. He's a cool dude, has some 01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:54.139 cool discussions and mixes it up with the guests. 01:00:55.619 --> 01:00:58.559 Always, always cool to talk to Brian. And I could 01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:02.900 sit back and let that dude go. He's awesome. 01:01:03.730 --> 01:01:05.130 Troy put in the comments. He's like, I thought 01:01:05.130 --> 01:01:07.329 Brian didn't want to talk politics. And then 01:01:07.329 --> 01:01:10.690 I mean, we were skimming the surface talking 01:01:10.690 --> 01:01:13.409 about the trying to trying to bridge the gap 01:01:13.409 --> 01:01:17.070 here, man. Yeah. All this fucking ridiculousness 01:01:17.070 --> 01:01:19.369 of you're there for this side and you're for 01:01:19.369 --> 01:01:21.090 this side and you can't talk to one another. 01:01:21.210 --> 01:01:22.969 It's just ridiculous at this point. That's why 01:01:22.969 --> 01:01:24.789 that's why I brought the Bill Maher thing. It's 01:01:24.789 --> 01:01:27.050 like, I thought that was a great step. Yeah. 01:01:27.070 --> 01:01:30.519 Omar to go to Trump. Now, I mean, We, I don't 01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:32.780 think anybody's been privy to the actual conversation. 01:01:32.820 --> 01:01:34.920 So we don't know what happened in that, in that 01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:37.099 meeting. Did, did Bill Maher push back on Trump 01:01:37.099 --> 01:01:40.460 a little bit? I don't know. Maybe. Right. I did. 01:01:40.460 --> 01:01:42.260 Bill Maher do it like an after report on that, 01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:44.519 like on his show or on his podcast. I haven't 01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:46.760 seen it. I don't know. I just heard like the 01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:48.679 headline that they spoke. I didn't, and they 01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:51.179 talked and I didn't hear, I didn't see anything 01:01:51.179 --> 01:01:53.760 from it. I mean the reports where it went well, 01:01:54.019 --> 01:01:56.360 whatever that means. Yeah. Well, yeah, I agree 01:01:56.360 --> 01:01:57.920 with Brian. Like he should have like, why'd you 01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:02.659 call me this? And I think with Bill Maher, with 01:02:02.659 --> 01:02:06.239 Trump, it was a lot of like, either miscommunication 01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:08.940 or jealousy, I think from Bill towards Trump, 01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:11.260 to be honest, I think Bill was a little jealous 01:02:11.260 --> 01:02:15.440 of Trump and the power he wielded and some of 01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:18.260 the stuff he was doing, because as like from 01:02:18.260 --> 01:02:22.469 2020 to 2024, Bill Maher's like was still labeled 01:02:22.469 --> 01:02:25.050 as a left, but everything he was saying was starting 01:02:25.050 --> 01:02:29.210 to lean right. And like his I don't know what's 01:02:29.210 --> 01:02:31.010 lean

right. It's just like lean back towards 01:02:31.010 --> 01:02:34.250 the middle. Common sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, 01:02:34.289 --> 01:02:35.690 that's what I mean. Unfortunately, that's right 01:02:35.690 --> 01:02:38.250 nowadays, even though it technically isn't right. 01:02:38.269 --> 01:02:39.949 The common sense is that's what I'm trying to 01:02:39.949 --> 01:02:41.530 point out. It's like, yes, it's called right 01:02:41.530 --> 01:02:43.469 wing now, but it's just basically the center. 01:02:44.050 --> 01:02:47.889 Right. I completely fucked up, gentlemen. I was 01:02:47.889 --> 01:02:51.369 I had every idea to go pee before the show started 01:02:51.369 --> 01:02:55.050 and then 159 hit and I didn't go. So I'm like, 01:02:55.050 --> 01:02:56.809 I've been pinching this bad boy for a little 01:02:56.809 --> 01:03:00.070 bit. So let's get about three, four or five minutes 01:03:00.070 --> 01:03:02.690 left. And then I got like when I get up, it's 01:03:02.690 --> 01:03:04.769 going to like drip out a little bit. So what 01:03:04.769 --> 01:03:07.510 about Bobby? Where depends. I'm going to get 01:03:07.510 --> 01:03:11.190 those rock death diapers that you can wear to 01:03:11.190 --> 01:03:19.809 concerts. That's a thing, dude. They make those 01:03:19.809 --> 01:03:23.230 for rock concerts? Yeah. I mean, I knew we had 01:03:23.230 --> 01:03:26.610 fans that would stand in the fucking front from 01:03:26.610 --> 01:03:29.929 the doors open until the fucking hotel and they 01:03:29.929 --> 01:03:32.630 would wear the pens. Do they make a specific 01:03:32.630 --> 01:03:36.190 diaper now for rock fans? Yeah, it's like a leather 01:03:36.190 --> 01:03:39.289 outside and then you can replace the inside with 01:03:39.289 --> 01:03:43.559 the thing. Yeah, didn't we didn't we show those 01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:47.940 on the show? There's a market for that is fucking 01:03:47.940 --> 01:03:50.300 hilarious the fact that people would stand in 01:03:50.300 --> 01:03:53.659 the front row of Their favorite brand that yeah 01:03:53.659 --> 01:03:59.300 that they need to wear diapers is insane You 01:03:59.300 --> 01:04:01.820 couldn't you couldn't fucking pay me to do that 01:04:01.820 --> 01:04:04.679 Okay, who was Nirvana came back and fucking Kurt 01:04:04.679 --> 01:04:07.400 came Kurt Cobain came back from the dead Right 01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:09.820 not stand in the front row and piss in my diaper 01:04:09.820 --> 01:04:13.659 to fucking watch him Like like if you put the 01:04:13.659 --> 01:04:16.280 diaper on because it was general admission and 01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:18.000 you were worried about like wake making your 01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:21.239 way through, like maybe I'm starting to see because 01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:23.480 it could take fucking 10 minutes to get through. 01:04:23.980 --> 01:04:26.260 But if you're just there and fucking in the front 01:04:26.260 --> 01:04:29.380 row pissing just so you don't have to leave and 01:04:29.380 --> 01:04:31.019 not miss a show. Something's wrong with you, 01:04:31.539 --> 01:04:34.019 dude. Something's wrong. I might get one for 01:04:34.019 --> 01:04:37.519 the for this show, actually. Yeah, do that. And 01:04:37.519 --> 01:04:39.300 then I don't have to worry. Maybe they'll sponsor 01:04:39.300 --> 01:04:42.019 the show. I'll wear one, too. Fuck it. Oh, that's 01:04:42.019 --> 01:04:43.880 a good idea. Let's get them that work. Actually, 01:04:43.940 --> 01:04:46.460 we should come up with somebody to invent something 01:04:46.460 --> 01:04:49.099 for like a I guess they already have a catheter. 01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:50.980 I was going to say a tube I can hook up to my 01:04:50.980 --> 01:04:53.179 dick. Fuck that. I don't have a catheter. I'm 01:04:53.179 --> 01:04:54.860 literally. I'll take the diaper over the catheter. 01:04:55.300 --> 01:04:59.139 I'm good. Ditto, ditto. Yeah, catheter hurts. 01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:01.320 Bobby, anything real quick, because I'm not joking. 01:05:01.460 --> 01:05:04.030 I'm literally exploding here. If we have stuff 01:05:04.030 --> 01:05:05.929 I can put on a five minute bathroom break and 01:05:05.929 --> 01:05:07.690 come back. It'll only take me three minutes. 01:05:08.170 --> 01:05:11.710 I really I really don't have much. I want to 01:05:11.710 --> 01:05:14.469 show about the social media urging black people 01:05:14.469 --> 01:05:19.130 to stay home. Oh, for the hands off. Yeah. Yeah, 01:05:19.530 --> 01:05:23.429 this is the urging for the hands off protest. 01:05:23.510 --> 01:05:26.329 There was a whole slew of liberal social media 01:05:26.329 --> 01:05:29.110 telling black people to stay home. Like what 01:05:29.110 --> 01:05:34.000 is going on? Yeah. They say black folks on social 01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:37.420 media are warning black Americans not to participate 01:05:37.420 --> 01:05:40.119 in an upcoming global protest against the Trump 01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:43.400 administration and Elon Musk. April 5th, thousands 01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:46.099 of people in the U .S. and around the world are 01:05:46.099 --> 01:05:49.480 preparing to protest. So that already happened. 01:05:49.579 --> 01:05:52.400 That already came and went. Yeah, it happened 01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:55.539 on Sunday or Saturday or whatever. Yeah. Right. 01:05:55.739 --> 01:05:58.199 Yeah. All right, boys. All right. Time for John. 01:05:59.960 --> 01:06:02.480 Chad, I'll text you after this to game plan shit. 01:06:02.860 --> 01:06:05.440 All right. Sounds good. Later, people. We love 01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:06.519 you guys. Thank you, everyone.