Full Transcript for The Nathan Weekes Case, Pt. 5: If You're Going to Accuse a Warden, Bring Receipts

for said murders. 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:25.040 When CO Julia Roberts correctional officer, Julia Roberts, and I feel comfortable using her name because she has been very vocal about this whole thing. 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:27.920 That's why I'm not hiding it. 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:33.920 But I will be hiding other names in this lawsuit while on the podcast. 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:47.279 I will be posting all the documents and stuff that I use for research on my Substack, but for reasons of this podcast, I'm not going to use their names other than Julia Roberts, because like I said, she's done news interviews and whatnot. 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:56.720 So Julia Roberts is in charge of the incoming and outgoing mail at Smith State Prison. 00:05:56.800 --> 00:06:02.879 So this includes like delivering mail to inmates out in the cell blocks, picking up their outgoing mail. 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:06.800 She catalogs the mail that's coming into the facility, catalog what's going out. 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:08.800 She, that's her thing. 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:11.759 She is the mailroom girly at Smith State Prison. 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:14.959 One of, I think, like three or four, but still one of them. 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:25.279 And she'd become her second tour of duty with GDC in March 2017 as an administrative assistant. 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:26.000 All right. 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:33.920 But had returned to, as the lawsuit said, uniformed service due to extreme staffing shortages. 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:34.399 Oh. 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:35.759 It's a lot of S's. 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:36.160 Yes. 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:37.040 And that's anything. 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:39.680 I would like you to say it one more time for clarity. 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:56.959 She had begun her second tour of duty with GDC in March 2017 as an administrative assistant, but returned to uniformed service due to extreme staffing shortages. 00:06:57.279 --> 00:06:58.160 I'm proud of you. 00:06:58.319 --> 00:06:59.360 That was impressive. 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:01.920 And that was a lot less lispy than the other one. 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:05.279 I really concentrated. 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:07.199 I really concentrated. 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:12.639 I also wanted to be known I have not had my afternoon dose of caffeine. 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:15.120 So who knows what will be coming out of my mouth today. 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:18.800 She also hasn't had cake, which means I might be dead by the end of this. 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:20.639 But I did have cornbread. 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:27.759 And if you hear stampeding across the room, it is my cat having her zoomies. 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:33.199 We are gonna leave that in. 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:34.319 All right. 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:35.120 Yep. 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:50.959 So on May 1st of 2020, she being Julia Roberts is reassigned to the mail room in part because she has received uh prior training in drug interdiction and testing. 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:57.439 Um, she had also completed the United States Postal Service training and certification course. 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:12.000 Um, so all of this entails in that she is trained A on how to handle the mail in a legal fashion, but also like to search it for um contraband, right? 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:19.600 Because the mail room is a common way for people to try and get contraband into the facility, and there goes Quinapeer stampeding across the room again. 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:22.399 Her little bell is just so loud. 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:26.560 I don't she was sleeping, okay. 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:34.320 She was sleeping right before we started this, and then she was like, Oh, Tyler and Morgan are trying to record crime. 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.679 Let me be the most right now. 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:44.639 She heard that we were discussing contraband, and because that's her business, she just comes over and is like, ah, yes. 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:46.159 Yes, uh, we are going to engage. 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:50.159 I must I must give my opinions in two ways. 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:58.080 So Julia Roberts is trained on, you know, searching the mail, looking for contraband, how because people get sneaky. 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:12.000 I remember like when I was doing my digital forensic analyst thing, people would constantly talk about in text messages like this is how you're gonna hide the contraband in the mail, and then you're gonna ship it to this person, and this is how you do all this. 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:13.679 So it gets sneaky. 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:14.320 Okay. 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:15.039 Okay. 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:39.600 I feel like I mean, I know that I, as an innocent PR specialist, does not have the knowledge or authority to question you, but at the same time, I must still question because how could you sneak contraband into the prison via mail? 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:48.000 Like, how could I send in a like I don't know. 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:56.159 I don't know what's what's the proper terminology for a baggie of weed? 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:58.559 Is what is what is that called? 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:00.000 Marijuana? 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:04.559 Well, I mean, like a a small amount for consumption purposes. 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:06.080 Like an ounce? 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:13.120 People aren't people aren't doing okay, people aren't shipping contraband in through the mail for just a little baggie of weed. 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:14.960 Well, then that makes it even worse. 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:17.360 How are you getting put it in? 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:19.279 They want to resell it. 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:21.120 Okay, so it's usually a lot. 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:22.639 Okay, let me just give you an example. 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:26.399 And I feel comfortable giving this example because it's a very well-known example. 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:28.960 Um, that

you can literally just search on the internet. 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:31.679 So I'm not like giving away trade secret secrets, right? 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:32.799 Trade secrets. 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:35.279 She is not giving away trade secrets. 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:37.120 Sequence. 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:42.879 So a common way is they'll hide it in a book. 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:53.759 And it's not just like cutting out some of the pages in the book, you know, like the stereotypical, let's cut out the center square in these pages, and we'll just hide it in there. 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:56.799 Although some still try that, and I look at that and I'm like, that is so dumb. 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:10.480 But a smarter method, and again, well known, so I'm not giving anything away, is if you buy like a hardcover book, you can flatten drugs. 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:13.440 Okay, really, really, I mean, like really flat. 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:18.080 Like you get like a vacuum sealer, and then you smush out all the air. 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:20.399 You know, you can get that junk really flat. 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:22.480 Um, especially if you run over it with a car. 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:23.039 All right. 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:28.240 And then you can hide it in the spine of the book. 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:37.039 Or you can peel back, so like you know, inside hardcovers books, it has that paper layer like attached to the actual cover. 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:45.919 You can peel back that paper layer, put your contra your flattened contraband in there, and then glue that back on top. 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:52.399 Now, I say all this because I've seen it done and it's not fooling anybody. 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:59.519 Oh, so the so people are like like doing this, but it's not actually getting to the prisoners. 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:00.720 It's not working. 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:07.440 Okay, see, see, that's what I was thinking is like how I get that it's sneaky, but how is this like actually? 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:10.080 This is what they're trying in there. 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:15.279 That's just one method, and it's the less sneaky of the methods. 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:20.159 But essentially they're hiding the contraband in other things. 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:23.919 Because like family members can mail stuff in, right? 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:29.919 Like they can, like I said, they can mail in books, um, they can mail in food items. 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:40.799 You know, you you can mail in things, and now it does have to be on like a pre-approved list, so you're not, you know, shipping in diamonds or something. 00:12:40.879 --> 00:12:41.759 I don't know. 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:46.799 But they will hide the contraband inside these other items. 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:52.960 But you have CEOs like Julia Roberts who are trained to look for this stuff, okay. 00:12:53.360 --> 00:13:00.559 Which is why I when I hear about people mailing things in

or mailing contraband in through the mailroom, I'm like, that's dumb. 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:23.200 I mean, yeah, that's I just uh I don't see how anyone could think that would be the optimal way of getting in contraband, because if I was trying to, you know, stop contraband from coming in to a prison, the first thing I would think of is alright, go to the mailroom. 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:29.039 So I'm going to heavily inspect everything that comes across my desk in there. 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:30.960 Like everything. 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:44.240 And if I'm saying that that's what I would do, someone who has no experience with this whatsoever, then I'm sure the experts would also be even better at finding it. 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:46.799 So what even what's the point? 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:49.759 I never said it was the smart plan. 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:51.440 It's just what they do. 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:54.399 And these people often don't have the highest IQs. 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:55.360 You know what? 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:57.759 That is something I didn't consider. 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:05.039 But we have to consider the other angle, which we're gonna talk about right now. 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:07.440 And there goes Guinevere again. 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:14.559 I I appreciate that pause of all right, I'm gonna decide. 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:21.120 Do I want to insult him right now or do I want to just segue? 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:24.559 Because I could see the gears turning in your head. 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:29.200 I would never told you you should have had your cake today. 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:35.360 I had cornbread with honey not the same and butter. 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:39.360 That's because I'm a true southern lady. 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:40.559 Yeah. 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:49.120 That's my body is telling me right now that I need to shut up and not say a word. 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:52.159 So moving on. 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:59.759 So in 2022, Miss Julia Roberts, who I just love saying her full name, it just flows. 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:04.559 It's almost as if Julia Roberts is a very common name for some reason. 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:16.799 Miss Julia Roberts in 2022 begins to notice an increase in the amount of contraband getting mailed into the institution. 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:17.759 Okay. 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:28.399 Now, because she's a good employee, she follows policy and says, hard no, this is not coming into the prison. 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:37.039 And I'm gonna be honest, I don't know what happens with the contraband that gets caught coming into the mailroom. 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:40.159 That was never part of my duties, part of my job. 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:41.360 I never had to know. 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:42.559 I just had to report. 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:43.279 Fair enough. 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:46.960 If I found it in the cell phones of people trying to do that, that was as far as it went. 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:50.559 So I don't know what you're supposed to do with those contraband once it happens, but that's not important. 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:54.480 So she follows policy and is like, hard, no, this isn't coming into the prison. 00:15:54.799 --> 00:16:05.279 But she claims that Warden Bryan Adams would countermand these decisions and tell her he'd authorized the items. 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:10.240 Oh I think we need to, I I think we need to provide some clarification. 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:11.039 Okay. 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:14.799 Cause there's two different types of contraband. 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:15.840 All right. 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:16.720 Okay. 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:19.200 And this is not in the lawsuit. 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:22.240 So I guess technically this is my opinion, but it's also my experience. 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:24.080 So do with that what you will. 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:28.240 Um, because that's what we want to say to prevent us from being sued. 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:29.679 Exactly. 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.960 So there are items known as nuisance contraband. 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:42.240 Um, these are things like unauthorized clothing, unauthorized shoes, jewelry, those types of things. 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:51.120 Essentially things they weren't supposed to have, but ultimately didn't threaten the safety of the staff and the other inmates. 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:59.600 So, like almost better to just let it slide on certain occasions to just kind of tame the inmates. 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:01.120 Yes. 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:10.720 Like, well, not necessarily tame the inmates, but just because it's like let me think about how to word this. 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:18.880 It's it wasn't worth the time and effort to do something about it when so many other things are constantly happening. 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:27.519 So if we take a look at, say, orange is the new black, which is a very perfect example of exactly how a person works. 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:29.680 I've never watched it. 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:45.200 Honestly, uh it's I'm not gonna say my opinion on it because there are people who are gonna get very mad depending on what I say, and then you don't want to start uh an argument in the comments section? 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:45.759 You know what? 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:46.400 Alright, fine. 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:47.359 We'll start an argument. 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:51.119 Orange is the new black is not that great. 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:54.960 It's just not I'm sorry, but it's not. 00:17:55.119 --> 00:18:02.240 But there is a character who always has super, super thick makeup on. 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:05.440 And this like obviously she's not allowed to have it. 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:10.000 There are even times in the show where it's like commented on that she's not allowed to have it. 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:12.799 Female inmates can have makeup. 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:14.240 Really?

00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:17.680 They actually sell it in commissary. 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:20.720 Okay. 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:23.200 Plot twist. 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:27.359 Maybe I might be misremembering that then. 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:34.880 Or maybe the show just took some creative liberties because I get I get what you're saying. 00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:38.559 Yes, it's it's like that's kind of what nuisance contraband is. 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:48.400 Or like if you find um because inmates' items, when they come into the facility, they're locked, like what they have. 00:18:48.960 --> 00:19:03.599 Um, and so I remember this one time it was uh involved a staff compromise case where um a female officer, I can't remember if it was a correctional officer or another type of law enforcement officer, it doesn't really matter. 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:14.400 Um, she had gotten him in a wedding band, even though per his paperwork he was not legally married, but they were husband and wife. 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:25.440 But the ring is considered nuisance contraband because it's not on his logs of stuff, he's not supposed to have it, but ultimately it wasn't hurting anyone. 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:33.279 The only reason it got noticed was because she, the corrupt officer, had smuggled it in for him. 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:33.920 Okay. 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:41.759 So if it's not hurting anyone, if it's not harming anyone, it's probably nuisance contraband. 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:48.079 Yes, it's one of those things where if a staff member of the facility noticed it, they would take it away. 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:58.720 But they didn't actively go raiding the prison cell looking for these types of items unless it's somehow connected to a larger case and could be used as evidence. 00:19:59.119 --> 00:19:59.680 Sure. 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:05.279 Okay, so we have nuisance contraband, and then you have the real contraband. 00:20:05.920 --> 00:20:07.440 The real contraband. 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:11.119 The real contraband, drugs, weapons, power tools. 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:21.359 You know, the items that could like physically harm either through overdose, injury, or be used as items to escape the facility. 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:22.319 Okay. 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:24.079 That makes sense. 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:28.319 You didn't even react to the power tools. 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:41.680 Well, okay, so when I heard that, my instant thought was like, okay, they have to be small. 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:51.759 Because if you're you can't get a full chainsaw in there, and then you're giving me a look that means that you might know. 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:53.039 Okay. 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:56.000 I've never seen a full chainsaw, no. 00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:57.200 Wow. 00:20:57.359 --> 00:20:58.960 Okay, so you just played me. 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:00.319 All right, got it. 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:05.039 No, but I have like hand-powered tools. 00:21:05.279 -->

00:21:26.799 You know, like I would I mean, that's just like, okay, you've you've got that in because you would have to have it quiet enough to where when it gets in there, the COs aren't gonna hear it, and I'm thinking immediately that you're getting in like drills and stuff like that, so you can try and formulate some kind of escape. 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:27.279 Yeah. 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:30.960 That's that's what goes into my head when I hear power tools. 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:31.839 Yeah. 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:35.519 So one time, side quest. 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:36.640 Side quest. 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:39.200 Um, there was a jail escape. 00:21:39.440 --> 00:21:46.480 I say jail because this is not a state facility, it is a county jail, not run by the state of Georgia. 00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:53.440 But there was a jail escape, and four prisoners went AWOL. 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:59.680 Um, how they got out was they had a power tool and they literally chiseled around. 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:08.720 The window in the day room, like chiseled the concrete to widen the window so they could slip out. 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:10.079 Wow. 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:10.720 All right. 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:12.000 That takes some dedication. 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:12.880 It did. 00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:13.599 It did. 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:17.200 And I I have seen pictures of said chiseling. 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:21.599 And when I first saw it, because we helped with the escape. 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:25.279 Like we were part of the like we Oh, you helped them escape? 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:26.079 Yeah. 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:26.960 Yes. 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:28.000 Yes, I did. 00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:30.720 No, Tyler, stop trying to incriminate me. 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:32.559 I helped catch them. 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:37.359 Or not me, but like my team, we were part of the efforts to help catch them. 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:44.799 Um and I remember seeing those pictures and thinking to myself, similarly, like, how did nobody hear this? 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:49.599 Because if you are actively like drive. 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:50.480 Drilling. 00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:51.359 Morgan. 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:53.920 Driggling? 00:22:57.039 --> 00:22:58.000 Driggling. 00:22:58.400 --> 00:23:01.599 That's that's what you're gonna go with here. 00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:05.519 Drilling into concrete blocks. 00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:07.519 How are you not hearing that? 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:10.000 I mean But apparently nobody did. 00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:12.400 I slithered out. 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:15.759 If it is loud enough during the day. 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:18.319 I think it was at night. 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:20.240 No, yeah, it happened at night. 00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:27.359 So my I'm thinking it's an under because that's was when I was trying to re-remind myself of this case. 00:23:28.240 --> 00:23:34.160 A lot of the quotes I was seeing from the sheriff, I don't know if he's still the sheriff, probably not after that incident. 00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:43.039 Um he was blaming the understaffing and that there was only one staff member in that block at the time. 00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:50.640 And I think there were like only a total of four on in the building because it was the night shift. 00:23:50.799 --> 00:23:52.079 Yeah, that's way too few. 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:54.319 It's a problem county here in the state. 00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:55.839 I can tell you that much. 00:23:56.240 --> 00:24:04.240 I mean, if if I am a CEO and it is me alone in an entire block, I can tell you this. 00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:06.640 I don't care what I hear. 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:11.680 I am not leaving the safe area that I've got. 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:12.880 Done matter. 00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:16.559 Someone's over there dying sucks. 00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:18.079 That's a skill issue, man. 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:25.200 If someone's trying to break out of prison, then Godspeed to you, good sir. 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:26.960 I'm staying here. 00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:29.440 That's a skill issue. 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:32.640 Oh man, this isn't a video game. 00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:41.920 Of course, me, every time I'm fighting a boss battle and I die instantly, I'm like, hmm, Morgan, is this a skill issue or a game design issue? 00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:43.200 Anyway, moving on. 00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:50.079 Now, an important side note before we proceed through the rest of this civil lawsuit. 00:24:50.799 --> 00:25:08.960 The official code for when an inmate is charged with possession of contraband, part of that code states, and I quote, without the authorization of the warden or superintendent or his or her designee. 00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:09.599 Okay. 00:25:09.759 --> 00:25:11.519 I'm gonna need you to remember that. 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:13.920 That okay, yep. 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:15.279 I think I know where you're going with this. 00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:16.160 All right, carry on. 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:16.720 Okay. 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:25.519 So Miss Julia Roberts notices that there's an increase in the packages containing contraband coming into the facility in 2022. 00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:27.039 She tries to report it. 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:29.359 The warden's like, I allowed it. 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:30.240 It's fine. 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:33.519 And at that point, there ain't really nothing she can do about it, right? 00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:38.480 So the packages then start arriving with the warden's name on them. 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:41.440 Now, in and of itself, nothing too crazy. 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:42.640 That does happen. 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:45.039 It's again, nothing too crazy. 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:46.400 That's the thing. 00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:47.039 Yeah. 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:49.920 But our homegirl is keeping receipts. 00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:54.559 She's got the logbooks,

pictures, and emails. 00:25:54.799 --> 00:26:03.920 She is making notes of which boxes were removed from the mailroom since she had ended her shift the day before. 00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:04.559 Okay. 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:16.720 And she also noted that of the boxes that were removed, there was no documentation as to who'd removed them in her log or in the logbook, in the mailroom logbook. 00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:19.119 Dang, Julia. 00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:20.319 I know. 00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:21.920 So things are escalating. 00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:27.599 Packages start getting delivered directly to the warehouse instead of the mailroom. 00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:28.480 Oh. 00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:29.200 Yes. 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:31.359 So they'repassing her. 00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:33.039 They're bypassing, exactly. 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:37.759 They're bypassing the search and documentation process and her logbook. 00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:40.880 Yes. 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:55.279 So one example that Miss Roberts had included in the civil lawsuit was uh of like an example of these types of incidents, right? 00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:56.640 Of which there were many. 00:26:56.799 --> 00:26:57.839 I'm gonna give one. 00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:06.880 So a pair of high dollar shoes had been mailed in to the mailroom. 00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:11.920 And she wasn't gonna let them in because those are considered contraband. 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:19.680 They're not like you don't you can't just get in a pair of you know Jordans mailed to you. 00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:21.440 Like that's not approved. 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:25.920 Like you're not supposed to have high dollar luxury items getting mailed to you at the prison. 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:26.880 Like, that's not how that works. 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:28.960 That's also for your own safety. 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:33.839 Like, man, if you are walking around with top dollar shoes, try and steal those things. 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:35.599 Yeah, you're a target now. 00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:38.559 You ain't a baller because you've got that. 00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:39.440 People don't care. 00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:42.480 Yeah, and inmates kill each other over things like that. 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:44.640 So yeah, you just don't do it. 00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:52.240 So, but anyway, because she had denied this package, this inmate threatens her twice in one day. 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:52.720 Oh. 00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:57.039 And so she writes up a disciplinary report for him. 00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:15.759 But then Warden Adams demanded, she used the word demanded, not me, in the lawsuit, that she bring the shoes into his office where the deputy, I'm clearly on point today, where the deputy warden of security was also present. 00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:16.319 Okay. 00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:25.119 And then the shoes were taken and given to the inmate by the warden, and the disciplinary report was dismissed. 00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:26.880 And all this was like right in front of her. 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:28.400 Like she witnessed all this. 00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:29.119 Yeah. 00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:30.400 Oh man. 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:36.720 And according to the lawsuit, all of it is documented in her logbook with both pictures and emails. 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:38.799 Oh, this warden's a fool. 00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:39.519 Hmm. 00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:57.920 So the suit also details how in May of 2022, Roberts had over 20 boxes from the USPS that'd been mailed into the institution that contained contraband, part of which included approximately 15 PlayStation game controllers. 00:28:58.240 --> 00:28:58.720 What? 00:28:59.359 --> 00:28:59.920 Huh? 00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:04.079 This is uh I needed that moment. 00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:04.640 I wanted that. 00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:06.640 That was a good shock moment. 00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:09.839 Thank you for validating my research efforts. 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:16.480 I'm shocked for a reason that you don't think I'm shocked by it, but you know, don't ruin my moment. 00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:17.440 Be proud of yourself. 00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:18.640 Don't ruin my moment. 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:19.200 Okay. 00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:27.119 So game controllers can be used to fly drones from within the prison. 00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:39.440 So if you have a monitor in which pretty much every dorm has a TV, or TV's plural. 00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:49.920 So back in my day, prisoners just had a concrete wall and a toilet, and that's all they had, and now they got them dang TVs up in there. 00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:52.559 Oh yeah, causing all kinds of problems. 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:54.799 I remember one time, side quest. 00:29:55.119 --> 00:30:07.839 I remember one time we get this phone in, one of my analysts is going through their phones, and she comes across some photos and videos of inmates in a cell with a huge TV. 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:29.039 I say huge, it was probably like a 36-inch or something equivalent, um, and a PlayStation or an Xbox, I don't remember which, but it was a gaming system, and they're sitting there like playing a video game inside the cell, and we're thinking that these inmates had gotten a contraband drop that somehow contained all these electric items. 00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:30.000 So we were so confused. 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:35.920 We're like, how could you possibly get in a contraband drop with this huge TV and a gaming system? 00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:37.200 Like, it didn't make sense. 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:50.240 And then we realized that the TV had been taken down off the wall in the day room, and they had the PlayStation because some prisons had gaming systems. 00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:58.480 And if you were, if your dorm was like on good behavior, you could play the gaming system. 00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:00.640 And now, of course, it didn't connect to internet. 00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:01.440 Sure.

00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:01.839 Yeah. 00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:07.279 And they had like only certain games that they had access to. 00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:12.960 So like some racing games, you know, the latest NBA or football or whatever. 00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:14.559 Probably not the latest, but you know what I mean. 00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:15.599 Like benign games. 00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:18.640 So they're probably not in there playing Grand Theft Auto. 00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:20.559 No, they're not playing GTA. 00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:21.359 GTA. 00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:26.799 No, I would not be surprised if all of a sudden we hear reports of inmates having GTA 6 come November. 00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:29.359 Just as for a later episode. 00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:35.440 Okay, so anyway, that side quest is over. 00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:56.160 Um if you have a monitor, in this case the TV, if you have a cell phone, which you can use as internet because you know hotspots, and if you have game controllers, you can connect these to the drones and you can fly them from within the prison to make sure that they get to the right building for the drops. 00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:57.680 That is insane. 00:31:58.400 --> 00:31:59.519 It's crazy. 00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:00.480 Yeah. 00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:02.240 It's crazy. 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:12.880 Um, and that just reiterates the point that I have been making for like eight years, probably more now, that prisons are not made for the modern modern era. 00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:14.400 They're just not. 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:18.720 No, that is that is painfully evident here. 00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:27.119 And I mean we know that technology accelerates exponentially. 00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.240 That is that is an exponential thing. 00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:31.039 Alright? 00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:34.960 Buildings, however, do not. 00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:38.480 Once they're done, they're done for the most part. 00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:50.319 You can upgrade them to an extent, but the way to make a modern prison would be to tear down that previous prison and put a brand new one up in its place. 00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:54.559 So there's this prison. 00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:56.799 I want to say it's in Colorado. 00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:58.799 I could be wrong. 00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:07.119 And I don't remember the name of it, but it is the highest security facility in the country. 00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:10.240 Um it houses, huh? 00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:11.200 Allegedly. 00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:12.880 Oh no, it is. 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:15.359 Uh CIA black sites. 00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:16.640 Oh my god. 00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:25.440 It is the most public-facing highest security facility in the country. 00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:26.400 All right. 00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:34.960 It houses like very familiar people like the Boston Marathon bombers. 00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:38.480 You're talking terrorists, cartel leaders. 00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:39.920 Yes, I know of this place. 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:40.240 Yeah. 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:40.640 Yes. 00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:44.720 The the tip of the top, the people who cannot be with other people. 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:46.000 With other people. 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:46.640 They're there. 00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:46.880 Yeah. 00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:47.440 Yeah. 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:50.880 So this prison is underground. 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:54.559 It is made completely of concrete. 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:56.799 These inmates never go outside. 00:33:57.039 --> 00:33:59.359 There's like a little room they can go to. 00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:00.960 It's got like a sunlight. 00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:04.319 Very, very, very far above their heads. 00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:09.039 Um, but they're in solitary forever. 00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:09.519 Wow. 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:10.800 They never go outside. 00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:16.000 And because it's underground, things like contraband drops don't happen. 00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:23.679 And I'm sure the screening process for the COs and stuff that work there are insane. 00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:26.320 I mean, yeah, they would have to be. 00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:39.119 If you are going through all that trouble to keep these prisoners isolated, you would have to go through the same trouble for all the people who are going to be interacting with them on a daily basis. 00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:40.000 Yeah. 00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:47.360 So it takes that, and people, people are on two sides of the fence when it comes to that facility, right? 00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:50.639 You have your people who are like, they deserve it. 00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:52.079 They did all these horrible things. 00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:55.440 They killed all these people, like they don't deserve to see the light of day ever again. 00:34:55.519 --> 00:35:00.559 But then you have the other camp over here who are like the civil rights groups that are like, this is inhumane treatment. 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:05.039 Nobody should be deprived of sunlight or whatever the arguments are. 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.079 So it's a very, it's a very polarizing thing. 00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:08.639 Okay. 00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:09.280 Sure. 00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:11.360 But that goes for any prison. 00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:14.079 Like, even so, like Smith State Prison. 00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:17.519 Clearly, terrible things happen there constantly. 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:21.840 You know, because you're holding some of the worst of the worst inmates in the state. 00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:26.480 You have understaffing, and the staff you do have are getting compromised left and right. 00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:37.599 People are screaming because, you know, it's unit's unsafe conditions, whether it's because the facility is falling apart, usually because the inmates are the ones tearing it up, but what if? 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:42.079 Or because, you know, they're

getting they're beating each other up. 00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:44.480 It's you can't win. 00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:45.440 You can't. 00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:45.760 Yeah. 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:46.559 You can't win. 00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:48.880 Antiways. 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:49.440 Anti ways. 00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:53.039 Let us conclude that side quest and return to our main quest. 00:35:53.519 --> 00:36:06.320 So on May 4th, 2022, Miss Julia Roberts reports her concerns about the warden and other staff at Smith State Prison to OPS investigators. 00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.960 Now, OPS stands for Office of Professional Standards. 00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:12.400 It is a very large department. 00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:14.320 It is the department I used to belong to. 00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:19.519 Um, but it has several like subunits up under that office. 00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:20.000 Sure. 00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:24.000 Um, but it is typically the office that handles the criminal investigations. 00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:29.199 Um, as and it also has like the internal affairs division in there. 00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:29.679 Okay. 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:36.320 Um, so she contacts investigators and she meets with two of them. 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:38.559 I actually know who one of them are, and I really like her. 00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:41.599 So it's like, okay, like you did have a good investigator on this case. 00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:57.679 Um, but she shows them her logbook entries, the documentation, the pictures she took of the contraband, and she expressly shares her concerns that warden Brian Adams was breaking the law as well as GDC policies. 00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:18.480 And this complaint then gets escalated to the regional director, who then, according to the lawsuit, breached the GWA confidentiality prohibition by then telling Warden Brian Adams about her report, along with the source of said information. 00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:45.760 Now, because I know you're gonna ask, GWA stands for Georgia Whistleblowers Act, which, and I quote, protects public employees like Roberts, who provide information of violations of law, rule, or regulation to superiors of government agencies from personnel action that adversely impacts the terms and conditions of the employee's job, including harassment and constructive termination. 00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:58.960 It also requires that investigating these reports of violations to keep the identity of the reporting employee from the officials about whom the reports have been made to prevent those employees from being motivated to retaliate. 00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:08.559 So there's a literal act that was passed to make sure that people like her are safe. 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:09.519 Yes. 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:26.800 And I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that one of the first things that you do in making sure that a whistleblower is safe is you make sure to not tell the person the whistle is being blown on. 00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:28.320 Correct. 00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:31.920 Which is what literally just happened. 00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:32.880 Yes. 00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:42.800 The by the regional director, no less, who I will say the lawsuit does state who the regional director was at the time. 00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:46.559 Um probably a name we shouldn't say. 00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:48.400 I'm not gonna say it, but I will say this. 00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:50.559 He was promoted a year later. 00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:54.719 Okay, now I kind of want you to say his name so that way we can. 00:38:55.519 --> 00:39:06.559 I'm not gonna say it because these are her claims, and I think that's what we need to remember is in civil lawsuits, they are one singular person's claims. 00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:07.039 Okay. 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:16.800 Now, I'm not saying she's wrong because honestly, and we're gonna get into this, we're gonna find out that many of the current concerns she had were clearly very legitimate. 00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:17.360 Okay. 00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:17.760 True. 00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:22.960 And with all the receipts she had, I'm like, yeah, girl, you you were doing it. 00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:23.519 Okay. 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:32.800 Um, but I'm also not out here trying to make somebody's life difficult on a civil lawsuit, which is very different from a criminal lawsuit. 00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:41.440 Yeah, the burden of proof on a uh civil lawsuit is not beyond all reasonable doubt. 00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:44.480 It's just a majority doubt. 00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:48.079 Like it I've heard it described as 51, 49%. 00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:59.519 If you are 51% sure that it happened, then that is grounds to adjudicate guilty or whatever. 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:01.760 Not guilty, that's criminal. 00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:11.280 But you know, you would then award the plaintiff if you are 51% sure that these claims are valid. 00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:14.719 And you don't even have to reward them the full extent. 00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:16.480 Like true, yeah. 00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:21.840 Because the the plaintiff's argument can be broken down into pieces. 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:25.199 And now, granted, I don't know how many pieces are there are in this lawsuit. 00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:29.119 Um, but you can award some and deny others. 00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:32.960 So, but I think I want to like make that clear for people. 00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:36.239 Like, a civil lawsuit is not a criminal investigation. 00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:45.039 So even though somebody is named in this lawsuit, in which some people named in this lawsuit, again, I knew who they were, and I'm like, I don't believe that. 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:45.920 Yeah. 00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:50.800 One of them being the very man who Nathan Weeks put a hit out on. 00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:51.840 You knew him? 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:52.960 So Oh, right. 00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:54.159 Yes, we talked

about this. 00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:56.159 Well, not like I met him. 00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:56.639 Yeah. 00:40:56.880 --> 00:41:03.280 But I'm like, you were pointing to a man in your lawsuit saying that he allowed the introduction of contraband. 00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:12.639 When over here we have an inmate who put a hit out on him because he was not letting the contraband in. 00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:15.360 Yeah, we got a little bit of a contradiction there. 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:16.880 It's a little bit of a contradiction. 00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:17.679 So that's what I'm saying. 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:24.239 Like, I believe many of her claims in this lawsuit are true, just considering what the ultimate outcome is. 00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:30.800 But I also encourage people to in any civil lawsuit, like take it with a grain of salt. 00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:32.079 Okay. 00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:33.199 Anyways. 00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:33.599 Yep. 00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:35.119 Moving on. 00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:36.320 Okay. 00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:43.679 So Miss Julia Roberts gets pulled into Warden Bryan Adams' office. 00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:50.400 Whereupon he claims that he received a call from the regional director to discuss the contraband. 00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:58.239 So this is kind of why I'm like, I I very much think the violation of the whistleblowers act did happen. 00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:10.400 Because the warden whom she was reporting on pulled her into his office and was like, Yeah, hey, I got a call from the regional director about this contraband. 00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:15.360 Yeah, that's not that that's not yeah. 00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:16.079 Yeah. 00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:30.320 And then Adams then ordered Roberts to no longer contact the regional director, stating, and I'm quoting from the lawsuit here, I'm giving you a direct order to not contact the regional director or investigators again. 00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:34.719 If you have anything to report, it is to be reported to me directly. 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:35.840 Is that understood? 00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:37.280 All right. 00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:40.960 Um that doesn't seem legal. 00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:43.599 Now, there's a caveat to that. 00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:44.239 Okay. 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:52.320 So law enforcement very much likes to act like the military when it comes to chain of command. 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:52.880 Oh. 00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:59.519 So if you violate it in a certain way, you get in lots of trouble. 00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:16.159 I myself, not because I violated chain of command, just because my bosses would sit everybody down simultaneously, because one person violated it and then would give us like a 15-minute spiel about how we're not to violate the chain of command. 00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:22.239 Now sometimes I think it came down to an ego issue. 00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:27.360 Um, because let's face it, men will be men. 00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:29.199 Um yeah. 00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:30.719 But not you, Tyler. 00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:31.599 You're great. 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:41.599 Every time I've gotten in trouble for violating chain of command, it did come down to an ego issue of the guy I skipped in the line. 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:42.320 Yeah. 00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:47.599 And it and sometimes you don't like a lot of times people don't even realize they're doing it. 00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:52.880 Especially so, like, in in my unit, we're all civilians. 00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:59.599 Not a single one of us had ever served as like a badged officer, right? 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:01.440 None of us went to post. 00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:06.719 None of us had any sort of training in that area or anything. 00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:11.199 So if one of us skipped chain of command, it was literally an accident problem. 00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:11.679 Okay. 00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:12.239 Yeah. 00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:16.719 But it always created issues because they're like, well, why didn't you report it to me? 00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:20.559 And we'd be like, because the director was standing right there. 00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:21.360 He asked. 00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:22.320 We told him. 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:25.440 So sometimes it is an ego issue. 00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:41.599 Um, sometimes it is actually legitimate because let's say if I now granted, I was a supervisor, but I was a supervisor amongst the lowest of the low peons, despite the work that we did, which was very valuable to the entire agency, BT Dubs. 00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:47.599 So if I skipped first a little self-promotion there, I guess. 00:44:48.159 --> 00:45:01.599 If I skipped first my assistant special agent in charge, and then skipped my special agent in charge, and then skipped the inspector and went straight to the director, I'm skipping four four steps of leadership right there. 00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:02.559 Okay. 00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:03.199 Yeah. 00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:04.480 That's a problem. 00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:06.400 Because what is my director gonna do? 00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:14.159 He's gonna go back to the inspector, to the special agent in charge, to the assistant special agent in charge with questions. 00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:20.880 And if none of those three people know anything, well, who do you think is gonna get in trouble? 00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:21.519 Me. 00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:23.679 That's gonna be It's gonna be me. 00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:28.559 So sometimes it is a legitimate problem because the people in the chain of command do need to be in the know. 00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:38.320 And sometimes it comes down to a um control of information to make sure things aren't blown out of proportion before they need to be. 00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:40.800 Because yes, that happened frequently as well. 00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:47.760 Because heaven forbid, anybody get all the information before pulling the trigger on something in two

ways. 00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:53.280 Not towards you. 00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:55.039 We can't talk about that yet. 00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:57.119 I know it's not towards me. 00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:01.360 Anyway, so do with that information what you will. 00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:05.360 So in this case, could it have been an ego ego issue? 00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:10.000 Could Brian Adams have been like, why'd you go to the regional director instead of coming to me first? 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:10.719 No. 00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:13.599 No, that is not what this was. 00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:14.079 Yeah. 00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:15.360 So anyway. 00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:20.159 I have always found that a little side note here. 00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:27.840 I've in I've worked at quite a few different places, alright? 00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:32.000 Um, some of them no chain of command because it's like a restaurant. 00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:35.199 There's no real chain of command in a restaurant necessarily. 00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:40.159 But I have worked at a private security firm where there was a chain of command. 00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:53.679 I had a corporal that I would go to, then a sergeant, um, then a lieutenant, uh, and then a captain and a deputy chief and a chief. 00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:56.880 I think that's the correct order. 00:46:57.679 --> 00:46:58.400 That sounds right. 00:46:58.639 --> 00:46:59.920 Uh yeah. 00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:03.760 Uh so I had all those people in line, right? 00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:15.360 And also at my current position at the church, because we have a lot of uh different people across different areas and different cities. 00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:24.800 It's like, alright, my first phone call when I have a problem is always to this one person who will then call another person who will then call another person. 00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:39.840 Whenever I have skipped chain of command, whether or not I made the right call always came down to did I go to the person who could give me the correct answer first. 00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:44.559 And if I did, then I didn't get in trouble for skipping chain of command. 00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:47.599 If I didn't, then I did get in trouble. 00:47:47.760 --> 00:48:05.519 So for example, if I went to my lieutenant skipping over my corporal, all right, and went to the lieutenant about a scheduling issue that only the captain could answer, I would get in trouble for skipping over the corporal because I should have gone corporal, sergeant, lieutenant, captain. 00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:06.400 Right. 00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:21.280 But if I had gone straight to the captain and been like, hey, i is this true that I am working a 16 and a half hour shift today, then I would have just gotten a yes and I would not have gotten trouble for skipping chain of command. 00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:24.880 And I always thought that was super weird and hated it. 00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:29.280 Because it all came it it it truly makes no sense. 00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:32.239 It's whether or not I got in trouble, yeah. 00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:42.239 Whether or not I got in trouble came down to if I skipped the correct amount of people when skipping people. 00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:52.880 And I can tell you this also for certain, which this is true in every place that I have worked where there is a chain of command to follow. 00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:53.760 Alright? 00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:58.800 Including the two examples that I've mentioned and others that I have not mentioned. 00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:08.559 I have never once had a problem that has been solved by me following the chain of command properly. 00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:10.079 Never. 00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:12.719 I I am genuinely serious about this. 00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:14.079 I have never once had that happen. 00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:15.039 Oh, I believe it. 00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:29.119 I have had it happen where I've followed the chain of command and then had one of the higher-ups follow up with me with questions, and then I tell them the problem, and then it gets fixed a month later. 00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:40.239 But most of the time, what happens is it's a game of telephone where I say, Hey, my radio isn't working, I need to learn how to change the frequencies. 00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:45.760 And then the next guy goes, Hey, uh, Officer 113's radio isn't functioning. 00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:47.760 Uh, he needs to learn how to use it. 00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:51.840 Then the next guy, hey, officer 113's radio isn't functioning. 00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:56.639 All of a sudden it gets to the chief, and the chief is under the assumption that my radio just doesn't work. 00:49:56.719 --> 00:50:01.599 And so he gives me a new one, and then it's like, okay, great, I still don't know how to change frequencies. 00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:05.280 That's when you just Google it. 00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:05.920 Yep. 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.159 Now, that's not an example that happened. 00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:16.639 It's the easiest example I can come up with because if I go through what I actually went through, I totally get what you're saying because one of them might be listening. 00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:18.639 Yeah, no, I totally get what you're saying. 00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:20.000 Because it was the same for us. 00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:25.440 Like if we had computer problems, like my sack didn't know how to fix a computer. 00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:28.159 But heaven forbid if I went straight to IT. 00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:44.480 Chain of command is a good thing in very certain circumstances, but almost always leads to ego problems and leads to a much lengthier time to actually provide a solution to a simple problem. 00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:45.039 Yes. 00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:59.360 They say it so that things don't get blown out of proportion, but by the nature of six different people being involved because your Google isn't connecting

to the internet properly, now it's blown out of proportion. 00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:01.519 Yeah, and nobody still knows how to fix a problem. 00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:03.199 No, because nobody called IT. 00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:04.960 Yeah, because nobody called IT. 00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:14.480 So it's June now, June of 2022. 00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:33.920 And Robert claims Roberts, Roberts, Roberts claims in her lawsuit that Warden Adams took away her orderly, who was assigned to walk with and protect her when delivering and collecting mail in the cellbox as a form of retaliation. 00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:47.039 Now, for the common folk who don't know what an orderly is, an orderly is an inmate who is assigned as kind of like an assistant to various positions within the facility. 00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:51.119 So, like the mailroom has an orderly, kitchens have orderlies. 00:51:51.280 --> 00:52:04.639 These are inmates who are well behaved, they don't cause problems, and they kind of give them these jobs, you know, A, to help the facility function, but also it's kind of like, I do think they get paid a little bit. 00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:06.800 I don't think it's a whole lot. 00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:08.800 Don't quote me on that. 00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:11.760 Um, but it gives them something to do, right? 00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:15.360 Like it gives them a person, it's a purpose, it gives them something to do. 00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:32.000 Um, but when she when I read in the lawsuit that she had the orderly to walk with and protect her when delivering and collecting mail in the cell box, I went, hmm, I don't think that's how that works. 00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:44.559 That's not yes, because orderlies are not there to protect staff, they're there to assist you in whatever task you are doing. 00:52:44.880 --> 00:53:05.360 I I can't imagine how that would ever go over well if an inmate is like, you you stop my contraband from coming in, and the CO turns to their orderly, a fellow inmate of the guy complaining, and is just like, Well, are you gonna step in and protect me here? 00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:13.039 Like, now you're telling someone who can't consent to really anything because he's a prisoner, to assault another prisoner. 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:15.679 I will say, now I will say this. 00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:23.840 I have seen inmates go above and beyond to protect staff at facilities. 00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:26.239 But it's not because it's their job. 00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:26.960 Yeah. 00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:46.320 Like one one that came to my mind as I was doing my research on this was it was a few years ago, and there was a CO who was escorting two offenders from the dining hall when one of them took a shank and just started stabbing the CO in the back. 00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:50.159 Like, I watched, I watched the security footage of this. 00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:54.239 Um, the other inmate immediately steps in to help. 00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:58.639 Like he's fighting off the other inmate, and in the process, he gets injured himself. 00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:02.079 Um, and now this happened at Smith State Prison. 00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:06.159 So not every inmate is out here being the worst. 00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:10.239 If they protect a staff member, it's because they're choosing to. 00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:11.360 It is not their job. 00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:13.920 It is not in their job description, it is nowhere in there. 00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:20.239 They could let that that CO die and they would feel no repercussions as long as they weren't the ones wielding the weapon. 00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:23.280 Um, but this inmate chose to do that. 00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:32.400 And when I saw that video and I heard about it, I was like, I know that inmate can't get released, but I was like, I hope, I hope they give him something. 00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:34.800 Like, I hope they send him to a cushy prison or something. 00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:35.920 Like he deserves something. 00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:40.400 Let's make his commissary public so we can toss him a little bit of extra money. 00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:41.360 Yeah, yeah. 00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:43.599 Put some money on his books. 00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:49.039 So, I mean, there are there are inmates like that. 00:54:49.280 --> 00:55:08.320 Um, and Roberts did detail in her civil lawsuit how her orderly had stepped in on multiple occasions, not necessarily to physically fight somebody off, but he would warn her and be like, hey, there's there's something about to go down in this building, like, let's not go in, right? 00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:15.840 Or like he'd kind of like physically stand between her and another inmate if an inmate was getting confrontational or something. 00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:25.119 So she did say like he would do that, but when she's like, she needs this orderly to protect her, I'm like, ma'am, that is that is not that is not the MS MA's job. 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:28.320 If he's doing that, it's because he chooses to, because he's a decent human. 00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:32.559 So that kind of rubbed me the wrong way when I saw that. 00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:33.519 I was like, mm-hmm. 00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:35.599 You had some thoughts. 00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:55.679 I did, I did, but she is claiming in her lawsuit that because she didn't have this orderly assigned to her, that she was assaulted when another inmate threw some caustic chemicals on her through the tray slot in their cell door. 00:55:56.400 --> 00:56:02.159 Um, now I will say it's usually not caustic chemicals, it's usually urine or feces. 00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:03.599 That makes sense. 00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:09.519 So that in her lawsuit, she says that she was like, I was expecting it to be, you know, bodily fluids. 00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:24.800 And so she kind of had like turned away, and then she gets these chemicals thrown on her, and they leave like first through fourth

degree burns on like her left hip, thigh, and the left forearm. 00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:43.679 Um, and I was like, whoa, how and I but she's claiming that because Brian Adams, the warden, retaliated against her by taking away her orderly, forcing her to go into these cell blocks by herself, that this inmate then threw caustic chemicals on her. 00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:48.559 Well, um, just a massive speculation on my end. 00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:49.519 Speculate away. 00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:58.239 Would it be possible that the warden could have also provided said caustic chemicals to said inmate? 00:56:58.559 --> 00:56:59.599 It is a possibility. 00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:03.039 It's something that is insinuated in the lawsuit. 00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:08.000 Um I'm not saying it is not a possibility. 00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:10.800 Okay, but we're not saying it is possible we don't know. 00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:11.519 And that's the thing. 00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:14.880 I'm like, it's kind yeah, it's kind of a leap. 00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:22.480 Like it's if you're going if you're going full conspiracy theory, it's it's pop it's a possibility, right? 00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:26.239 Because how otherwise, how did the inmate get the caustic chemicals? 00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:32.719 Now there are chemicals in the facility because inmates have to clean their own space. 00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:36.559 So they get cleaning things. 00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:38.800 But I'm like, caustic chemicals? 00:57:39.039 --> 00:57:41.519 Sure, but the cleaning things that you would get would not be. 00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:41.920 Right. 00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:49.920 So I'm like at most, I would expect bleach and stuff like that, which that's not gonna hurt you. 00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:50.400 No. 00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:57.599 So yeah, when I saw caustic chemicals, I was like, okay, I could see, I could see how she would get from point A to point B. 00:57:57.840 --> 00:57:58.079 Yeah. 00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:05.519 Um, but I'm like, how in no way would your orderly have being there would have would have prevented that. 00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:11.519 Yeah, no, that's the only thing that would have maybe happened is he would have gotten burned instead. 00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:13.840 But even then, still doesn't make sense. 00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:17.840 Yeah, or maybe he could have slapped the trace lock closed. 00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:18.880 I don't know. 00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:22.000 I would think that it would open from the inside. 00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:23.440 No, it opens from the outside. 00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:24.960 So oh, it opens from the outside? 00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:27.440 Yeah, because the tray slots can lock. 00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:29.920 And they're supposed to be locked. 00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:33.760 Yeah, so they're they're not like, you know, bars, right? 00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:37.119 The doors aren't bars, they're solid metal. 00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:45.840 And then you have

the little windows, and then you have the tray slots in the middle of the door so that you could feed the lunch or dinner trays through, right? 00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:52.960 Um, but they're supposed to stay locked, unless you are actively feeding, like you can also give them mail. 00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:57.840 So that's what she was also doing, is she was delivering mail through the through the slot. 00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:01.519 But if you're not doing either of those things, it's supposed to stay locked. 00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:04.239 They're usually not. 00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:06.960 I see. 00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:07.840 Okay. 00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:19.039 So despite these first through fourth degree burns on a good chunk of the left side of her body, she still shows up to work the next day. 00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:30.159 Like obviously, after the incident, she filed workers' comp, she goes to the hospital, gets checked out, but still shows up to work the next day, which I'm like, girl, why? 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:31.119 Stay home. 00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:32.559 You stay home. 00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:33.199 Yes. 00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:40.079 Cause like I've I've been burned, never to that extent, but my God, it lingers. 00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:43.760 Yeah, that's not a pain that's just like after 30 minutes it goes away. 00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:50.239 Like, no, that that hurts for it can hurt for up to weeks while it's healing. 00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:51.119 Yes. 00:59:51.760 --> 01:00:16.559 But she still shows up to work the next day, and she puts in her lawsuit that the warden then retaliates against her again by pulling the orderly and then telling her, and I quote, you can push that cart yourself, referring to the mail cart, claiming he needed the orderly to help with packages. 01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:23.119 I don't know what packages, maybe commissary packages, which are don't come through the mailroom. 01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:28.480 Because remember, we talked about this with Jerry Lee Davis, like the commissary company delivers the packages. 01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:33.280 So maybe he was handling that, and then she had her cart over here with mailroom. 01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:35.840 That seemed kind of the only way I rationalize that. 01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:36.880 I guess, yeah. 01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:46.559 Um yeah, so Warden Adams claimed he was pulling the orderly to help with a separate set of packages and that she can push the cart herself. 01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:52.000 Apparently, he said all of this while smiling and munching on some popcorn. 01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:55.599 That is like borderline evil villain stuff right there. 01:00:56.079 --> 01:00:56.480 Right. 01:00:56.639 --> 01:01:07.599 And he knew about everything that had happened the day before because she had to she went to the facility medical unit and it's in the filed worker's comp, and all of this gets reported to him. 01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:12.960 Anything that happens in the

facility gets reported to the warden immediately. 01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:16.239 Well, maybe not immediately, but within a reasonable amount of time. 01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:17.039 Yeah. 01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:25.679 So she refuses to push the mail cart by herself in her condition and just goes back to the mail room. 01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:26.480 All right. 01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:27.440 Good for her. 01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:29.840 And I'm like, rightfully so. 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:31.360 I would have done the same thing. 01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:37.840 I I mean, I I would have stayed home, but yeah, you and I would have stayed home. 01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:40.800 We would have been like, we're gonna be out for the next two weeks. 01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:41.760 Good luck. 01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:43.519 Maybe three, maybe four. 01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:44.239 Maybe three. 01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:45.280 Good luck. 01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:46.480 Never coming back. 01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:47.519 No, I'm kidding. 01:01:48.079 --> 01:01:49.360 Um, okay. 01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:56.960 So at this point, Roberts contacts the regional director's office again to report the warden. 01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:03.679 But the person she talked to at the office, it was not the regional director umself. 01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:10.480 Um, the person she talked to said that they do not feel like the warden acted inappropriately. 01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:12.000 What? 01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:18.800 And on paper, on paper, he he technically probably didn't. 01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:20.719 On paper. 01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:30.400 So this is one of those issues where it's like we have the context after the fact, and we're looking at it like, oh yeah, Warden, evil dude. 01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:32.880 But evil, terrible munching on his popcorn. 01:02:33.360 --> 01:02:47.920 That phone call, you've got a new person who's coming into it for the first time, and after that short conversation, they're just like, well, all he did was issue you an order that falls in line with chain of command protocol. 01:02:48.079 --> 01:02:53.760 All he did was take away your orderly for the day because he had a different assignment for him. 01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:55.440 Yeah. 01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:56.239 Yep. 01:02:56.719 --> 01:02:57.360 Yeah. 01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:02.079 But Miss Julia Roberts loves her receipts. 01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:07.760 So she asks for an official complaint to be filed. 01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:23.599 Now, a few days later, she finally gets a meeting with the regional director where she reports her concerns again about what's going on at Smith State Prison, obviously centering around what is happening with the warden. 01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:32.239 And a few days after that, she is interviewed by OPS, the Office of Professional Standards, where she goes through it all again. 01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:38.239 And I'm like, this is government bureaucracy at its finest. 01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:39.360

Yep. 01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:44.079 That's all we'll say on that. 01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:46.159 Yeah, yep, right. 01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:50.400 And through all of this, her injuries are getting worse. 01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:53.440 The same injuries intensifying. 01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:56.719 So she has to go to the hospital again. 01:03:56.960 --> 01:03:59.440 She gets referred out to another physician. 01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:06.800 She is eventually put on light duty and then pulled out of work entirely by her doctor in October 2022. 01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:10.960 So this is kind of taking place over the span of a handful of months. 01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:22.000 Um, she does eventually return to the prison in December, but then is pulled out again on February 16th of 2023. 01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:30.079 Now, part of all this is an infection that was caused by the burns, um, and she needed treatment for that. 01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:53.199 But she also cites in the lawsuit that she had to, and I quote, be pulled from work due to the stress caused by continuous daily harassment and bullying by the warden and his command staff telling Officer Roberts that she needed to return to regular duty inside the institution, which would place her where she could be assaulted again. 01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:53.679 Oh. 01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:59.360 Now, we're going to side quest for a bit. 01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:14.000 So after I finished my undergraduate degree, I worked in a family practice, a primary care physician's office for about two and a half years while I finished my graduate degree in forensic psychology. 01:05:14.239 --> 01:05:16.400 Yes, I remember you telling me about this. 01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:19.039 Specifically me working in the doctor's office? 01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:23.440 Yes, specifically the story about how a man got his class ring stuck on his Johnson. 01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:24.639 Oh yeah. 01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:30.079 Forgot I told you that. 01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:33.039 I don't think I can say that in my life. 01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:34.559 I mean, you can. 01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:37.119 You can leave it, I don't care. 01:05:37.679 --> 01:05:39.679 This is not that story though. 01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:40.320 Okay. 01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:49.039 So we had people constantly coming into the office needing FMLA and work excuses for various reasons. 01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:50.000 Okay. 01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:59.440 And one particular incident that stood out to me was a correctional officer, don't know at what facility, came in and needed. 01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:01.840 A work excuse, FMLA. 01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:04.880 I don't remember which one she was taking out, whichever one it was. 01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:07.599 She needed it for workplace stress. 01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:19.599 Now, at the end of her office visit, the nurse practitioner walks up to me where I'm sitting at the front desk and she tells me about the paperwork because I have to stamp it with her signature and all that jazz. 01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:29.119 And then she looks the lady dead in the eye and says, You're going to use the next two weeks off to find a different job. 01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:29.679 Whoa. 01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:30.400 Okay. 01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:34.800 And this is funny because this nurse practitioner is like my size. 01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:36.639 So midget. 01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:40.719 So, like maybe four feet on a good day. 01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:43.840 Four feet with six six inch heels on. 01:06:45.519 --> 01:06:47.519 With six and a half foot energy. 01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:52.480 Like seriously, I would not have messed with that woman ever. 01:06:52.639 --> 01:06:53.920 But, anyways. 01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:59.280 So she says that, and I'm like, yeah, find a different job. 01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:01.519 Like, if it's that bad, find a different job. 01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:11.760 So I have kind of a bad taste in my mouth when people, and I'm not saying this is what Julia Roberts is doing or even what that lady was doing. 01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:25.599 But because I saw it so often, I have a bad taste in my mouth for people who abuse the FMLA system or doctor's offices in general to try and get out of work claiming stress, but then never going and finding a new job. 01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:26.079 Yeah. 01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:31.440 Because these people would come through the door on repeat, just like, oh yeah, I just I need another few weeks. 01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:48.000 And I'm like, so I'll admit that when I first read that in the lawsuit, and I looked at the timeline and I saw like how many months were involved, how many times she was out of work. 01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:54.159 And if things were that bad, just leave. 01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:54.960 Yeah. 01:07:55.119 --> 01:07:57.440 It's like just leave. 01:07:58.079 --> 01:08:00.239 And I mean, maybe that's just me. 01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:09.760 Maybe Julia Roberts truly believed in the mission that is GDC. 01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:10.639 Maybe. 01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:17.439 But then why not just transfer facilities or take a different position in the facility? 01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:32.159 I I can get it if, like, all right, if the job market is tight and you are being paid enough to where you're able to live, you're able to pay all your bills and stuff like that, then yeah, I can see how it would be hard to walk away from that. 01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:39.039 But we also know that GDC is super understaffed and super underpaid. 01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:46.399 So that does beg the question why you staying? 01:08:47.279 --> 01:08:50.399 Like you just had acid thrown on you. 01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:55.520 Go work at like go sell paper. 01:08:55.760 --> 01:09:05.439 They're they're like, and I mean, I again, maybe she was like, because if it is this, I can truly respect this. 01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:08.319 Maybe she's like, no, like I'm I'm going to win.

01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:09.760 I'm going to see this through, right? 01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:11.199 Like, I'm going to prove to these people. 01:09:11.760 --> 01:09:14.640 She's amazing and one of my favorite people ever for that. 01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:16.079 And I'm here for that. 01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:17.039 Absolutely. 01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:21.760 Because that's the type of attitude I take on some things, not all things. 01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:26.000 There are very few hill hills I will die on, one of them being the Oxford, comma. 01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:34.640 But I don't think my personal safety is ever, if it's ever in question, I'm like, good. 01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:36.560 Yeah, that's that's the line. 01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:41.920 Like, if a if a workplace environment is that toxic, it's not worth it. 01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:42.800 It's not worth it. 01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:44.079 No. 01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:44.560 No. 01:09:44.880 --> 01:09:45.520 Yeah. 01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:48.640 So anyway, now that that side quest is done. 01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:52.239 If your boss is calling you racial slurs, fight 'em. 01:09:52.479 --> 01:09:58.319 If your boss is having inmates throw caustic chemicals on you, allegedly, leave. 01:09:58.720 --> 01:09:59.439 Allegedly. 01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:00.319 Leave. 01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:01.279 Okay. 01:10:02.319 --> 01:10:04.560 Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. 01:10:05.039 --> 01:10:07.199 Now, anyways. 01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:08.399 Anyways. 01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:10.479 In August of 2022. 01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:12.880 So we're kind of we're kind of backing up a bit. 01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:21.119 Julia Roberts pulls the incident report that she made concerning the caustic chemicals and all that. 01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:24.720 She pulls that to make a copy for her own records. 01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:27.279 Because remember, she is the receipt queen. 01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:32.560 And she sees that this is not the report she filed. 01:10:32.720 --> 01:10:33.039 Oh. 01:10:33.279 --> 01:10:36.560 In fact, this one has been falsified. 01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:37.840 Falsified. 01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:40.239 And yeah, falsified. 01:10:40.560 --> 01:10:49.199 And she claims that the report that ultimately was in the system was actually written by the unit manager. 01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:55.439 And that the video footage of the incident was also nowhere to be found. 01:10:55.760 --> 01:10:57.279 Well, well, well. 01:10:58.079 --> 01:10:58.880 Mm-hmm. 01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:07.840 This false report was signed off and approved by Warden Bryant, but I'm gonna repeat that. 01:11:08.800 --> 01:11:13.920 This false report was signed off and approved by Warden Bryan Adams. 01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:20.399 You almost had such a cool ending to that, and you just We're not done! Bungled it. 01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:23.119 We're not done! I mean to your sentence. 01:11:23.359 --> 01:11:24.399 Oh, I know, right? 01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:28.000 It's okay. 01:11:28.159 --> 01:11:28.560 It's okay. 01:11:28.800 --> 01:11:30.399 I honestly might just leave it in. 01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:31.520 You will not. 01:11:32.159 --> 01:11:33.840 You will make me sound cool. 01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:36.079 I will make you sound cool. 01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:37.119 Thank you. 01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:43.359 Now there were other incidents mentioned in the lawsuit, but it gets kind of repetitive. 01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:45.840 So I'm gonna get to the goods. 01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:48.239 Come January 2023. 01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:53.680 Julia Roberts speaks with none other than GBI agent Christian Johnson. 01:11:55.199 --> 01:11:55.680 Mm-hmm. 01:11:56.000 --> 01:12:01.359 And meets with him for an interview a few days later, where she provides all her receipts. 01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:03.199 All the receipts? 01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:04.079 All the receipts. 01:12:04.319 --> 01:12:19.600 And honestly, I know I have a few misgivings with what's in this lawsuit, but the majority of it, I'm like, girl, if what you are telling is the truth, I think she might be my new hero because she was right. 01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:36.720 On February 8th, 2023, Warden Brian Adams was fired just hours before he was arrested by the GBI for Ricoh violation, violating oath of office, making false statements, and bribery. 01:12:37.199 --> 01:12:38.640 Let's go. 01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:41.600 That's what I wanted to hear. 01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:43.520 That's it, I'm done. 01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:47.600 Thank you for joining us for today's episode of the Forensic Narrative. 01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:54.079 We hope you enjoyed this chaotic venture through crimes I didn't even know existed, and Morgan was all too happy to point out to me. 01:12:54.319 --> 01:13:05.439 Join us next week as Morgan continues to traumatize me and simultaneously leaves me with cliffhangers that fill me with more begrudging anticipation than a child on Christmas Eve who knows his only present is socks. 01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:07.119 See you next time.