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You know, you talk about first-tea nerves, players getting nervous in front of more than three players.
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That is normal.
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We need to normalise nerves and pressure and anxiety.
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It's a human emotion.
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A couple of years ago, when Matt Wallace was in the playoff at Cron, I was working with him then, but he actually said in an interview, so I can say it.
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He went into that playoff really flat, got beat, and then when he was in the playoff a few months ago,
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Man possessed, he was just like, this is...
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He obviously birded that first playoff hole to win.
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Hey guys, welcome back to episode number eight of the Doak Stroke podcast.
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Took a little bit of heat last time, last episode, I'm sure you guys heard it.
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Mr. Darrell Evans is joining me and Chris Ryan.
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Today we do have a special guest, I'm gonna get to that.
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Did take a little bit of heat from the dog in the last session, so today, those of you watching on YouTube will notice I am at the KBS Golf Establishment, which is player-driven, tour-proven, which perfectly ties into today's guest because I'm joined by
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Wirral Massive inductee.
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Not absolute Wirral Massive, but he's in there for his Hall of Fame stuff that he has achieved with Paul Waring, who obviously is, we are Wirral Proud.
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The man today actually got me a loose Challenge Tour card back in about 1985, so he gets credit for that too.
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He's helped countless amateurs, countless mini tour players.
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He's helped top 50 players in the world.
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He's one of those behind the scenes guys that people don't realize are there until you turn up at a World Golf Championship.
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And he's cruising around, staying behind the scenes, doing great work.
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It's Mr. Lee Crumble home from Winning Golf Mind.
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Lee, first off, congratulations, because you are the psychologist for Paul Waring.
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Cheers, Trotty.
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Yeah, that was rather nice, that one, to be fair.
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It was a fantastic week.
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Started off great.
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He's been playing good for a while, to be fair, and it was only a matter of bringing it all together.
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And he just happened to bring it together on one of the bigger weeks on the DP World Tour.
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Excellent timing as well.
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So, yeah, all good.
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So, Lee, with that sort of move that he made right at the end there, which has now secured a PGA Tour card, will you end up spending a lot more time over there?
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But you do a lot of stuff in America anyway.
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So I'm just trying to think about how your life changes, if at all, with this fact that Paul's obviously gone on to do so well.
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Well, I'd go over once a month anyway to see Matt Wallace.
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who's obviously playing out on the PGA Tour.
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I've worked with him, well, in this run for about two and a half years now.
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We worked previously.
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So they're both going to be on that same schedule, which is the non-elevated event or signature events or whatever they're calling it this year.
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So, yeah, they're both going to be playing pretty much exactly the same schedule.
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So rather than me going over to just see Matt, I'll be going over to see Matt and Paul, which is obviously, you know, much better.
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You know, it's great.
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So happy days.
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So I lost a little bit of audio there, slight technical issue, but we're back.
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I had my mate actually from the Wirral calling me, but thankfully I'm back in the room now, Lee, so we've got you.
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But...
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Just so I can catch up a little bit here, you have that great victory, you have that win.
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Obviously, you work with Matt Wallace as well.
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I just heard you covering that, which now gives your schedule the same thing.
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When these guys come to you, or when any customer comes to you,
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Are they playing well?
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Are they generally playing poor?
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I can obviously speak from personal experiences that, and I want to give a bit more context to that.
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That was the goal.
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You and I worked together many years ago when I used to play.
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And I think like I've just done some time with short game chef, Paul, I've just done some time.
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I'm all over the show.
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Parker McLaughlin out in Arizona.
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And we worked on short game.
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One of the things he spoke about though, is he gets a lot of people that are returning to golf
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after having kids, starting a family, they've been good players, then they're coming back.
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Are your clients that or are they predominantly tour players?
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Right now, because I travel so much.
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I probably do 25 tournaments a year.
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So I'm kind of slightly different to a lot of the sports psychologists that are out there.
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I do like to travel to tournaments and see my clients face-to-face.
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In answer to your question, are they usually in a good spot when they come and see me for the first time?
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No.
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There's probably only Matt Wallace who's...
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who when we first started working together in, I think it was 2018 or 17 or something, he'd won about three weeks before.
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But he knew that it was, whenever the Open was at Carnoustie around that time, 17, 18, 17,
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He called me and asked to see me because even though he just won, I think he just won his second or his second event or something, he knew that he wanted to get better mentally.
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And he is literally the only one.
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that has ever rung me up when they're not kind of at the lowest ebb.
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Because when a player, a tall player, starts to struggle, they will look at the technique.
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Obviously, they'll start to look at the goal swing.
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They might change coaches.
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They might change caddies.
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But then, you know, they're still struggling with building confidence, and that's where someone like myself comes in.
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So we put programs in place.
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that get them to practice a bit more efficiently probably.
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You know, I'm just talking generally.
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But, you know, in order to –
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You can't guarantee an increase in confidence, but you can significantly roll the dice in your favour for improving confidence by setting challenges and stuff in practice.
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And then just general counselling as well, trying to get them to recall when they were playing the best and what kind of things they were doing.
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So that kind of stuff.
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And then once you've got started the confidence cycle,
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Then you've got to start looking at how they deal with pressure, you know, at the other end of the leaderboard.
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And so it kind of goes through little phases like that, really.
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What's your preference?
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Is it to have someone playing well or is it to have someone playing poorly?
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And then is pressure at the top of the leaderboard the same as pressure of trying to make the cut?
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It's very similar, to be honest, because it's a human thing rather than a golfer thing.
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So the perceived threat response or anxiety or whatever, they happen at both ends of the scale, but just for different reasons.
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But they're just threats.
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So helping a player recognize the threat, be aware of the threat, know that the threat is there and try not to...
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One of the key things is people try and get rid of the threat.
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They might start to wish that threat away or wish the emotions away or the thoughts.
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It's the worst thing that you can do.
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Well, I have those threats with my wife and kids and dog.
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So is it the same advice for them as it is for the golf course?
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No, you better off just go to the golf course when all that's going on.
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You can take the dog.
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Yeah.
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Josh, he steals all the balls, the little shit, I tell you.
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So, Lee, I'm interested to hear your thoughts on this.
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You're obviously working with some incredibly elite players.
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And there's going to be people listening to this podcast now who have the same issues but on a different level.
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They might be on the 15th hole on for their best ever score.
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And they feel the pressure that Paul Waring would have done according to what he's gone Sunday.
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So what you do with someone like Paul Waring...
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and the tactics and the skills that you develop with him.
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Is that pretty much the same as with an average golfer or is it a slightly different model that you use?
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It's exactly the same.
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The, the model I've created, um, over time and you know, I,
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is a human model.
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It's for humans, not just golfers.
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So you can use it if you're in motorsport.
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You can use it if you're trying to pass exams.
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You can do it whether you're an amateur, trying to get your handicap down from 20 down to 18, or whether you're
trying to win a Rolex event or play in a Ryder Cup.
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They're exactly the same things.
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There might be some little kind of slight changes with the goals that you would set, but they run through a consistent theme for sure.
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One of the questions I was going to ask you is, have you ever had any either tour player or just general player who you've worked with for their golf?
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who've come to you six months down the line and said you know what that's really helped me with my work environment or my social side of things or do you find that it can sort of bleed into other areas of someone's life and actually improve other aspects absolutely and you know i openly encourage that and from the start i will explain to them that not only will this help your performance um
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but it will also help you in your general life as well.
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You know, I've worked with kids over the years who might have some exams coming up, and we talk about it.
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We talk about doing the same structure, getting organized, organizing your time, you know,
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knowing that the threat comes from often lack of preparation.
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So absolutely, and in the work environment, off the back of working with some golfers, I've worked in some businesses historically.
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I mean, I don't usually have time for it at the moment, but I ended up working in quite a few recruitment consultancy companies quite a few years ago, which I've thoroughly enjoyed because it's all the same stuff.
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It's human performance.
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Just thinking about that, actually, and just rewinding it a little bit back to some of the guys that you start working with in the beginning.
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Now, obviously, they come and see you.
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They need that confidence sort of shot in the arm, should we call it, and all the strategies to help them cope in different situations on a golf course, whatever their situation might be.
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But they're also then going to see their golf coach, potentially making a change to their golf swing.
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Maybe there's some more tactics and strategies that are taking place and their fitness trainer and their physio, they're doing some work on the body to try and help them get into different positions, whatever it might be.
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There's a whole range of contributing factors that can help improve or not improve as the case may be performance.
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So I'm quite keen to figure out how do you measure this?
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You can measure it in terms of how many
birdies and what your score is and how much money you make at the end of the year, and I get all that.
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But how are you able to demonstrate to somebody, hey, yeah, your confidence has gone from this to this?
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Or is this more honest reflection type thinking that the individual, in this case the golfer, would have to go through?
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If your bank balance goes up, I'm sure it's a fantastic barometer, Daryl.
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No shit, but that's what I'm trying to ascertain, is where do you position that, right?
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You can easily work out how many families you get.
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It depends how many times the investment section of the bank call you.
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If they call you three times a year, then you're doing really good.
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Well, nobody's calling you, Trotty.
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That's all you need to know right now, yeah?
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Why do you think I called Lee?
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I imagine Lee's on a commission of your on-course earnings.
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And we both know that's pretty dog shit at the moment with your golf game, right?
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Listen, people in glass houses can't be saying bugger all.
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I know where I sit, mate.
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I know what I do.
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Anyway, anyway, Lee, back over to you.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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No, honestly, it's a great question.
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It's, um, um,
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Because, like, the psychology, I call it an invisible skill.
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You know, it's an invisible process.
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You know, it's not like, you know, a golf swing where you can put it on a camera, you can put some lines on and you can see the change, or you go into the gym.
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And as you can see, you know, I'm massively into going to the gym.
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And so, you know...
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It's not the case.
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But, you know, you can tell if you do it.
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Lee, it's a podcast, mate.
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They can't see you.
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You could look like Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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You're there six days a week, pal.
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Ripped.
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Lee, I'm just top of the grip.
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Well, I am, yeah.
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My body's a temple.
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Temple of doom.
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But with the gym stuff, you can objectively measure those improvements because you can lift more, blah, blah, blah.
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But what I do have is I have self-reflection feedback forms that I've created over the years for tour players.
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There's two that I use primarily.
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One's a mastery versus ego feedback form.
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So you've got the mastery side of the game, which is appreciating the nuances of the game, and it's more process-based.
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But then the opposite end of the scale is the ego side, which would be more outcome-based, and it's like what we call a Likert scale.
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So it's zero to 10.
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So you can have opposite kind of...
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Opposite statement.
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So it might be I was very process-focused.
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I was very score-focused.
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So rate yourself from 0 to 10.
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That one's about 22 items.
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And then I've got another one, which is the 12...
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mental, you know, primary mental skills or something like that.
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I forget what I call it.
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And the players rate themselves with, like, confidence, mental pre-shot routines, how they talk to themselves, how their levels of acceptance of what the golf ball does and also their acceptance of how they are feeling and thinking.
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So, you know, when they fill those in, it gives us –
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their perceived value for those.
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And that's, you know, there's no real measure, you know, that you would want to do for confidence and all these skills.
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But we have a go with them.
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So just by creating, by getting the player to feed back to themselves on a regular basis, we create a learning cycle.
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And, you know, I don't...
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My thing is I don't like telling players what to do.
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I'll ask them questions and draw out kind of the answers that they want and what they can run with.
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We find that adherence to any kind of program works a lot better that way, specifically with the mental game.
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How long do you usually work with someone and what's your longest serving client?
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Yeah, he stuck with me.
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Worst client ever.
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I've worked with Paul Waring for probably over 10 years.
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I've just started back with Andy Sullivan again, who we've worked on and off for probably similar.
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I've worked with Kiridek for...
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probably about seven years, eight years.
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I kind of lose track.
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Matt Baldwin, worked with him since he was a teenager, you know.
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So a lot of the guys have such a long time.
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You know, with a golf swing, you can have like an imprint, and Bubsy can maybe talk on this a bit more, but you have things that you do as a golfer as you become better and better, and they're like your thumbnail.
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thumbnail, they're like your fingerprint of your golf swing.
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You know what I mean?
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Your thumbnail is pretty good enough.
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But in this day and age, Bubsy, of social media, your thumbnail is good enough.
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They're your DNA as to what you do.
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So,
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With the mental game, is it the same thing that people can often trip up over the same things on given weeks?
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Is that a pattern that you see?
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Absolutely.
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And that's why I travel so much, because what we're doing is we're taking some bad habits.
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and trying to evolve them into better habits.
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So over time, you need to keep on top of them because the golfer's DNA will want to revert back to the old patterns and old habits.
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So that's why I travel so much, is because I want to keep on them.
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But some of these old habits have got these players to where they are, though.
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Like, for example, I have an arsehole counter.
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for when I play, how many times I call myself an arsehole, and it's a lot.
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And if that arsehole, yeah, if that counter goes below a certain number, then I drop off peak performance the other way.
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Like, it needs to be a healthy amount, each 18 holes.
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So,
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Do you know, is there is there sometimes some negativity that's a good thing as well in order to get you into a state where you need to be to perform?
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Well, just before you answer that, Lee, that kind of leads into my question.
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So you can answer mine and try to at the same time, if that's all right.
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Tyrell was in the news a fair bit last week because of his antics.
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He broke a club.
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He said some things.
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So to Trotty's point, if you took Tyrell's level of frustration and took it to zero, would he struggle then to perform at the same level, which I guess is what kind of Trotty was saying.
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Is it trying to find that happy balance or happy medium for everybody?
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You know, again, you're working with the person.
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You're not working with the golfer.
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Now, you know, someone like Tyrell,
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You know, he loses his shit, you know, left, right and centre.
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He's okay with that.
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You know, sometimes he takes it over the top.
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Yeah.
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And he would probably admit to that.
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But he's world-class at refocusing.
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That he's so good at just, you know, it's cathartic for him.
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You know, he needs to get it out.
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John McEnroe was the same in tennis, for those of you who are of a certain age.
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But, you know...
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We see people in different sports all the time who need to get it out.
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And then they become the characters.
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But historically, in sport, there was a load of those kind of guys.
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Look at Michael Jordan.
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Do you think he would have been...
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as good if he wasn't going around telling everyone at the Chicago Bulls to pull the socks up and get stuck in.
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There has to be that level of arousal where a player can perform at their peak.
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Now, it's different for everyone.
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It's different for everyone.
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You wouldn't...
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If Matt Wallace was going around like...
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I don't know.
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name a really calm goal.
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Someone, you know, Freddie couples, someone like Freddie couples.
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You know, would it, would he, would he play, you know, to the level that he is doing?
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No, no, he wouldn't because he needs to be amped up to a certain level.
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Obviously, and like anyone who's like that, it can spill
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The skill is getting it back and being able to focus on that next shot.
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So it depends on the person's personality, you know, and where they live within that kind of boundary, you know.
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And how it's a broader boundary than people think.
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I assume it's a, yeah, that sounds really interesting.
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So I assume when you're thinking about it that way, it's like there's a tipping point sort of both ways.
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So you can either be too relaxed and underperform or over aroused using your word to underperform as well.
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Like that window might be quite narrow, but I assume, and correct me if I'm wrong here, it's probably a lot easier from your standpoint to work with someone who's more likely to,
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sort of tip over the edge so that therefore you can pull them back into that frame of mind as opposed to try and push them forward into that more aroused mindset i'm just curious to how that works because sometimes i go and play golf and you know sometimes i'm right up for it and it's great and then other times i just can't get myself motivated to make another freaking bogey to be honest but uh
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How do people operate in terms of that environment?
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Oh, Corey's always hands up again.
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Let's say that for him.
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If a 130 ball speed is arousing, then frick, I mean, good for you.
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Show off.
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It's actually 135, I'll have you know.
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Stop showing off.
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A good example of that.
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Well, a couple of examples.
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If you've ever walked a practice round at a tour event with a player, and I'm sure most of us here have, players get bored in practice rounds.
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They get bored and they start hitting loose shots, or it might be late on in a pro-am or something like that.
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So that shows that they're under-aroused, if you like, before Trotty starts coming up with some smut.
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But then, you know, a couple of years ago when Matt Wallace was in the playoff at Cron against Thriston Lawrence, he said, you know, I was working with him then, but he actually said in an interview, so I can say it, you know, he went into that playoff really flat.
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And obviously got beat.
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And then when he was in the playoff a few months ago, he was like man-possessed.
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He was just like, this is happening.
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His manager, Greza, said, right, get focused now.
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Get focused for this playoff.
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And he was just like the Matt Wallace that we know, just tunnel vision right into it.
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And then he obviously birdied that first playoff hold to win.
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Yeah, these guys are competitors, Dazzler, so they don't really often need bringing up because they want to compete.
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You might see it after, if they've got three holes left and they're way off the cut, then they'll go flat.
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But they'll generally be right on it, and that's why they're playing on the tours, the best tours in the world.
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Now, the ones who overcook it,
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and go past that tipping point.
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Yeah, there's different things that we can do to help bring them back.
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But often the reason why a player will go over the tipping point is because they start trying to push away the frustration, the anger, the emotion, and then they start thinking about the emotion
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over and over again, and they end up in this loop where they're just thinking about the emotion, and they forget to hit the bloody shot that's in front of them.
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Yeah, I do that.
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That's the key.
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That's the absolute key for myself of helping someone to increase their ability to deal with the stress and pressure of performing.
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And it's exactly the same if you're a 20 handicapper playing in a monthly medal on a good score.
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It's exactly the same.
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With a 130 ball speed.
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Yeah.
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I had a question, but now I'm going to ask a few questions here.
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So first off, I can very much relate.
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Just do them one at a time, Trotty.
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I'm not very clever.
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First off, I can relate to that.
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So for me, I'm an open book.
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I'm going to say it.
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I don't care.
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I'm going to talk about it.
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It is what it is.
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I feel like if I can get through it, openly is fine.
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And I'll tell you everything that I'm thinking.
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You mentioned Matt Wallace said something in an interview, so you could then say it.
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So there's obviously been conversations
that you've had over two or three decades now, two and a half decades you've been doing this, which is fantastic as a coach.
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So that's the second part of this question.
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We're going to get to that.
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that these players have opened up and said things to you.
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Now, as a coach, that's an amazing skill to be able to get that out of the best players in the world.
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Because when I'm dealing with some of these guys for equipment, the feedback is,
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is poor.
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How they verbalize what they're seeing and feeling is poor.
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So obviously with a launch monitor and with the tech that's around you, which makes it only fitting that today, just again to remind everyone who can see this on YouTube, KBS, player-driven, tour proven, that's where we're at today.
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Shout out to my good friends at KBS.
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But just to say, Lee, for the point that they're poor communicators some of these.
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You've been doing this for three decades.
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How have you had
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people talk about some of their inner emotions, fears, strengths, weaknesses to get them to then win.
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I mean, what skill can we take as coaches or as business owners and leaders, as our bald friend in the top right corner as I look at the screen, what can we take that can help us day to day?
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It's about knowing how to ask the right questions, you know, and obviously in my role, because I'm bound by ethics, I, you know, I can't divulge information.
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So there's an element of trust there.
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And, you know, I'm all, you know, the guys always say that I'm very personable.
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You know, I've been around the game for a long time.
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You know, sports psychology is a passion.
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Um...
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I went to university knowing what I was going to do.
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And that's quite rare for people who go to university knowing exactly what they want to do.
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So the passion is there.
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That feeds through into the player.
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They're paying me in order to help them.
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And I explain to them, all I want, first of all, is honesty and work.
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That's it.
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And what they will get from me is trust, confidentiality, and trust.
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bloody hard work, you know,
and if there's issues that we struggle to kind of figure out, I'll go out and I'll research and I'll find a way to deal with it, you know, and that's just, you know, we're always learning.
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I don't claim to know everything about performance psychology, but if something comes up, I'll go, I'll bloody go and read up on it, find out, you know, just to improve.
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And so we're all improving together, you know, that that's.
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basically how I would answer that, I ask good questions of them, and I draw the information out of them.
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There's no point in – I have worked with a couple of players who I found it really hard to communicate with, and it just doesn't last very long because we're wasting each other's time.
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And they shall remain nameless before you ask Trotty.
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I think that comes, I mean, I'm a coach as well, obviously a different sort of coach to yourself.
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But I think that comes with a bit of maturity as a coach, isn't it?
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You know, you don't expect to have great relationships with every player.
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You know, it's a maturity to say, do you know what, maybe we're not a great fit.
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I want to just, if I can, bring it back to, again, the listener and the person who's listening to this podcast, recreational golfer, loves their golf, wants to perform better, probably gets nervous when there's a crowd of more than three people in the first tee, gets really nervous when they're on for a good score.
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I appreciate that the stuff you do is not a quick fix.
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It takes time.
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But for that golfer who's going to go and play golf this weekend, are there any actionable things that you can give them that might just start them on that journey to being a little bit more mentally strong?
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I know you've got a website.
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winning golf mind, you do online training.
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That can obviously help them.
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Talk a little bit about that business, but then how can the average golfer at the weekend implement some stuff that will help them earn 1.5 million like Paul Waring?
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Yeah, I mean... Just the 1.5, Lee.
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Just the 1.5.
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Yeah, I know.
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Not bad, was it?
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That's what we want the general follower of Bubsy, Chris Ryan Golf, to be earning right here.
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So come on, Lee.
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Give us the gems.
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Well, they need to go to winninggolfmine.com.
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The website, my online academy thing, is basically directed at club players, amateurs, enthusiastic amateurs.
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But the first thing...
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You know, you talk about first-tea nerves, players getting nervous in front of more than three players.
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That is normal.
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We need to normalise nerves and pressure and anxiety.
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It's a human emotion, and this is the big point.
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Never try and shove it away.
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Never try and push it away because...
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as soon as we start to push it away, then we start focusing more and more on that emotion.
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And that's the worst thing that you can do.
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Accept it, sit with it.
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You know, if you're nervous on the first tee, it's okay.
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Every single golfer,
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that I know whenever I ask them this question, have you ever been shitting yourself and still hit a great shot, you know, for your level?
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And they all say yes.
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I'm like, well, there you go.
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That is the proof.
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That is the proof that you can still hit a goal shot.
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Anxiety, although it might feel uncomfortable, it's not negative.
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All anxiety is, is...
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From a physiological point of view, it's adrenaline, right?
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We need adrenaline.
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It's part of the fight and flight response.
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It's part of the ancient part of the brain that gets us ready to go and fight something or run away from it.
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It's a safety mechanism.
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So it's our friend.
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And if we then experience that on the golf course, then it's doing it for a reason.
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You know, it's getting you...
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either ready to fight and compete.
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This depends on how you perceive things or it's getting you to run away.
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Now,
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The third one is actually the freeze response, which is a spin between fight and flight.
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So when we get in there, we often see that one on the first tee when players freeze, especially higher handicappers.
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But these things are normal, have to keep banging on about
that.
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But what you then have to do is just accept that that's there
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and then get back present and focus fully on the shot.
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Because the three main things that we can work around, and this is a really simplified version, is every player wants to get into what we call a flow state.
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So we've all experienced it where the game of golf is really easy.
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It might have been for maybe just two holes in Trotty's case, but the rest of us, we've probably experienced it for 18 holes.
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And what the three main triggers for this flow state in golfers or, you know, it could be a mechanic in Paris, you know, just any kind of job because it's a human thing.
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Number one, it's focus, total immersion in the task at hand.
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Being present is number two, just being focused on the here and now.
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And number three is having what we call a towards or pursuit mindset, as opposed to the opposite, which is the avoidance mindset.
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So the towards mindset is where we focus on the shot that we want to hit, as opposed to the shot that we don't want to hit.
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Okay.
428
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Now, when I played college golf in America, that third one, and I'm going back many years to the early 90s, that third one is what I really struggled with.
429
00:33:04.597 --> 00:33:11.063
I went from playing 6,000-yard Haydok Park Golf Club in Merseyside with a
430
00:33:11.363 --> 00:33:18.167
hardly any water on it, to playing these golf courses that were 7,300 yards with water everywhere.
431
00:33:18.288 --> 00:33:21.390
And I was world-class at going, do not hit it in the piss.
432
00:33:21.970 --> 00:33:25.252
Do not hit it in them trees over on that left-hand side.
433
00:33:25.272 --> 00:33:29.815
And I couldn't figure out because this sports psychology thing wasn't really around then.
434
00:33:30.415 --> 00:33:34.038
So I knew something was wrong, but I didn't know what it was.
435
00:33:35.199 --> 00:33:38.263
I wanted to see a sports psychologist who was working on the basketball team.
436
00:33:38.824 --> 00:33:49.138
That never happened, so I packed that in and came back home to Liverpool to study sports psychology and sports science and applied psychology.
437
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:49.999
So...
438
00:33:51.129 --> 00:33:53.030
Getting back to those three, focus.
439
00:33:53.210 --> 00:33:54.490
These are your flow triggers.
440
00:33:54.530 --> 00:33:59.512
If you can nail these three, then you're more likely to get into flow, no matter who you are or what level.
441
00:33:59.852 --> 00:34:06.395
It's focus on the shot, presence, and that towards or pursuit mindset.
442
00:34:06.535 --> 00:34:09.696
And focusing on the shot is – it could be –
443
00:34:11.357 --> 00:34:13.880
dialing into your start line.
444
00:34:13.900 --> 00:34:15.461
It could be dialing into your target.
445
00:34:15.481 --> 00:34:18.083
It could be dialing into a feel in your golf swing.
446
00:34:18.464 --> 00:34:23.328
Everyone's different, and those things change and develop over time as well.
447
00:34:23.729 --> 00:34:24.770
Presence is presence.
448
00:34:25.050 --> 00:34:26.711
You know, our brain is...
449
00:34:28.533 --> 00:34:29.634
a thinking machine.
450
00:34:29.954 --> 00:34:31.255
So we're going to get out the present.
451
00:34:31.296 --> 00:34:35.379
So I always put it as, do we know how to get back into the present?
452
00:34:35.900 --> 00:34:44.247
And one of the easiest things you can do there is either focus on your breathing or ask yourself the question, what do I want to do now?
453
00:34:45.308 --> 00:34:47.670
You know, that will bring you back into the present.
454
00:34:48.136 --> 00:34:50.657
I remember working with a coach many years ago on the golf course.
455
00:34:50.677 --> 00:34:53.199
This was back way in the day, younger days.
456
00:34:53.539 --> 00:34:58.042
I were on the course and I said, I feel like I'm going to hit it in the crap on the right.
457
00:34:58.722 --> 00:35:00.663
And he said to me, he said, you've got to be more positive.
458
00:35:01.164 --> 00:35:03.725
I said, I'm definitely going to hit it in the crap on the right.
459
00:35:03.805 --> 00:35:08.308
Is that not...
460
00:35:12.350 --> 00:35:15.132
I felt like that was when I needed to hang up the clubs and start coaching.
461
00:35:16.092 --> 00:35:16.873
Yeah.
462
00:35:18.283 --> 00:35:19.965
It's powerful, the avoidance thing.
463
00:35:20.366 --> 00:35:25.172
But recognising that, you know, first of all, you've got to be aware that that thought is in there.
464
00:35:25.893 --> 00:35:29.257
And then you've got to kind of, you know what, the best thing to do is just almost laugh at it.
465
00:35:29.598 --> 00:35:30.859
Because it's only your emotion.
466
00:35:31.059 --> 00:35:32.281
It's your emotion centre.
467
00:35:33.242 --> 00:35:53.453
trying to protect you it's saying don't hit it into the crap down the right hand side or don't hit it in the water down the left it's a it's if you think about it it's actually true you don't want to hit it there so you if you just laugh at it and then go right now what do i want to do with this golf ball what does a good shot look like what am i trying to do you know and then then what's my target and then go back into that
468
00:35:54.532 --> 00:36:05.498
It's when we overly pay too much attention to the thoughts that go on in our minds, that's when we get caught up, rather than just letting those thoughts wash through.
469
00:36:07.278 --> 00:36:11.341
Why are some of us better at some things than we are at others?
470
00:36:11.421 --> 00:36:17.404
Why, as individuals, are we skilled at certain things, yet certain tasks can be
so difficult?
471
00:36:17.484 --> 00:36:23.967
And I'm sure that there are basketball players, football players, baseball players, cricket players listening to this.
472
00:36:24.695 --> 00:36:31.880
And they're like, well, I'm great at those sports, but I can't hit a five-yard carry, six-yard run-out chip.
473
00:36:32.020 --> 00:36:35.922
Why are we so good at certain things and other things we find so difficult?
474
00:36:37.303 --> 00:36:41.966
So there's so many variables when you look at different sports, you know, there's...
475
00:36:43.082 --> 00:36:44.684
Golf is what we call self-paced.
476
00:36:44.724 --> 00:36:46.005
You decide when to hit it.
477
00:36:46.265 --> 00:36:47.627
So it's not a reaction sport.
478
00:36:47.687 --> 00:36:57.176
Now, reaction sports, like a return in tennis or, you know, in football or soccer, as you call it now, Trotty.
479
00:36:58.437 --> 00:37:00.619
I'm just appealing to my U.S. audience.
480
00:37:01.420 --> 00:37:01.700
I know.
481
00:37:01.861 --> 00:37:02.721
I know.
482
00:37:04.450 --> 00:37:19.842
If a cross has come in from Mo Salah and a big Van Dijk's just wanting to wallop it in with his head, like he's done on many massive occasions, then he doesn't really have time to think about it.
483
00:37:19.862 --> 00:37:20.563
He just reacts.
484
00:37:20.743 --> 00:37:23.205
And so you're almost taking the thinking out of it.
485
00:37:23.865 --> 00:37:30.650
Now, with golf, obviously the golf ball is stationary, and there's very few sports where the ball is stationary.
486
00:37:30.770 --> 00:37:34.632
So that's why we need these little mental pre-shot routines.
487
00:37:35.053 --> 00:37:36.654
You know, it's almost like a domino effect.
488
00:37:37.606 --> 00:37:50.709
with the end result being starting the golf swing, but a small sequence of events, it might be looking up, standing at the ball, looking up at the target, then looking at the golf ball, and then starting the golf swing.
489
00:37:50.749 --> 00:37:53.310
So it might be like A, B, C, or 1, 2, 3.
490
00:37:53.950 --> 00:37:57.731
So listeners out there can have a work on that.
491
00:37:57.791 --> 00:38:04.412
And then if it goes A, last look at the target, B, look at the ball, and then there's a big gap between B and C,
492
00:38:08.314 --> 00:38:16.258
gives the brain opportunity to overthink consciously, you know, and that's when people start to put a bad move on it.
493
00:38:16.278 --> 00:38:20.460
So you'll see a lot of players, you know, tall players.
494
00:38:21.101 --> 00:38:22.822
Davis Love III was amazing at it.
495
00:38:22.842 --> 00:38:25.223
Colleen Montgomery was amazing at it.
496
00:38:25.763 --> 00:38:30.246
Even Tiger, you know, Tiger was great at every bloody aspect of the game.
497
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:42.393
But all these players, the sequencing of last look at the target, look at the ball, and then when they start the actual swing would be so consistent.
498
00:38:42.994 --> 00:38:49.462
Now, I'm not one for you only have one look at your target or one look at the hole, you know, or your target on the green.
499
00:38:49.482 --> 00:38:49.582
Yeah.
500
00:38:51.464 --> 00:38:55.786
If you want to have three looks sometimes and then two looks another time, that's fine in my world.
501
00:38:55.826 --> 00:39:02.991
The key is the last look at your target to the ball and then start in the goal swing or the putter stroke.
502
00:39:03.751 --> 00:39:13.057
Lee, I think the best thing I can say about you as I think about how we conclude on this, you've been amazing in my life.
503
00:39:13.117 --> 00:39:13.957
I'll be honest, mate.
504
00:39:14.017 --> 00:39:15.258
We've known each other a long time.
505
00:39:15.578 --> 00:39:19.901
And I think for any coach you can have a relationship with over time,
506
00:39:20.401 --> 00:39:45.567
two and a half decades and still return and it feel like yesterday is just truly credit to yourself and I talk about me because at the end of the day I am relatable to the layman you work with some of the best players in the world I am not that and you still help me find the level that I want to be so personally it's been awesome before you go we have two questions here for you one I'm going to make them quick fire one is
507
00:39:46.105 --> 00:39:51.286
Because we have to think about it because we've all got kids now, this side of the podcast, as I know you have too.
508
00:39:51.886 --> 00:39:56.387
What's the youngest age you like to get someone so you can work with them?
509
00:39:58.768 --> 00:40:03.329
I think you can start from about 10.
510
00:40:03.349 --> 00:40:06.970
I think if you can start to get some of these little...
511
00:40:08.014 --> 00:40:13.600
nuggets and bits and pieces in place from 10 years old, then they've got them as life skills.
512
00:40:13.980 --> 00:40:18.184
You know, they have got them as life skills, but it doesn't have to be 10.
513
00:40:18.204 --> 00:40:24.350
You know, it's not, that's not an absolute perfect, but that would be kind of the earliest, I would say that you would go.
514
00:40:24.591 --> 00:40:27.053
You know, my daughter swims and I...
515
00:40:28.265 --> 00:40:31.167
help her quite a bit with the focus side of swimming.
516
00:40:31.227 --> 00:40:36.771
You know, when she first started competing, she was looking in the other lanes and, you know, it distracts her.
517
00:40:37.091 --> 00:40:45.057
But now she'll just kind of focus on her lane and do the best, you know, technique and keep driving forward that she possibly can.
518
00:40:45.077 --> 00:40:49.380
You know, she's 10, you know, so I would say around 10 years old would be the earliest.
519
00:40:50.160 --> 00:40:51.501
Ideally, it doesn't matter.
520
00:40:51.541 --> 00:40:53.783
You can teach an old dog new tricks.
521
00:40:54.323 --> 00:40:56.544
You know, I've worked with many players who –
522
00:40:57.445 --> 00:41:04.546
you know, tall players and amateurs who have come to me when they're, you
know, in the 30s and they improve.
523
00:41:04.966 --> 00:41:18.349
Blandy, Richard Blank came to see me a number of years ago and he'd always been, you know, always finishing around 95, between 95 and 110 and he finished 31st, you know, on the Order of Merit.
524
00:41:18.369 --> 00:41:25.550
The first time he'd broken out of that barrier of trying to keep his card, you know, and he was in his 40s when he did that.
525
00:41:27.328 --> 00:41:28.088
It's amazing.
526
00:41:28.108 --> 00:41:29.569
They hope for everyone.
527
00:41:30.149 --> 00:41:32.890
But I worked with an amateur about three years ago.
528
00:41:32.910 --> 00:41:33.890
We just had one session.
529
00:41:33.910 --> 00:41:38.072
He was in his 60s and he hadn't played to his handicap for 18 months.
530
00:41:38.092 --> 00:41:39.152
He was at the end of his tether.
531
00:41:39.752 --> 00:41:47.795
And we did one session, rearranged his goals, got him out of outcome goals and worried about his handicap and being more process-focused.
532
00:41:48.115 --> 00:41:51.596
We ended up giving him three process goals and he shot a net 62.
533
00:41:52.596 --> 00:41:53.276
And he was in his 60s.
534
00:41:55.317 --> 00:41:58.100
Foucault would have done that against me, getting 10 shots, I bet you.
535
00:42:00.241 --> 00:42:03.084
And then the final point, we like to keep it a little jovial here.
536
00:42:03.104 --> 00:42:05.807
We are running a top 10 beers in the world list.
537
00:42:05.887 --> 00:42:10.751
And I know you're going to have some good ones to add to this, especially with all the recent success and the past success.
538
00:42:11.071 --> 00:42:16.236
To give you some examples, we've had Piers Ward, who had an Alex Ferguson sweet bar, Man United.
539
00:42:16.256 --> 00:42:18.178
I'm not sure that gets number one, but it's in there.
540
00:42:18.598 --> 00:42:24.225
I had a wet the baby's head beer on a ferry from Hong Kong, Maine Island to discovery Bay that was down.
541
00:42:24.265 --> 00:42:25.026
I actually had two of them.
542
00:42:25.046 --> 00:42:25.867
That was fantastic.
543
00:42:26.288 --> 00:42:28.050
Ozone bar beer in Hong Kong.
544
00:42:28.090 --> 00:42:32.695
Again, Bubsy had a bed beer when he got all his kids to bed one night.
545
00:42:32.735 --> 00:42:33.576
That was fantastic.
546
00:42:33.616 --> 00:42:34.617
It might've been a Chinzano.
547
00:42:34.637 --> 00:42:34.818
No,
548
00:42:35.238 --> 00:42:39.519
Daryl had a Castle Lager overlooking Table Mountain.
549
00:42:39.899 --> 00:42:47.562
And then Bubsy's got another one in here of Barbados on his honeymoon where he enjoyed that beer and some overly aroused activities afterwards, I'm sure.
550
00:42:47.902 --> 00:42:58.385
So do you have any beers that you can add to our top 10 list, brand and location and meaning that are some of your most memorable beers in all the success story you've had?
551
00:42:59.795 --> 00:43:00.916
Do you know what?
552
00:43:01.116 --> 00:43:06.660
There's been a lot.
553
00:43:09.101 --> 00:43:11.063
You can have your own top ten if you want.
554
00:43:12.063 --> 00:43:14.225
A load of players say, who counsels you, Lee?
555
00:43:14.265 --> 00:43:15.866
I say, Mr. Heineken or, you know.
556
00:43:15.886 --> 00:43:18.668
But there is one that does stand out.
557
00:43:18.688 --> 00:43:21.770
It was probably 2012 when Brandon Grace won the Dunhill Lynx.
558
00:43:29.772 --> 00:43:32.215
I think it was his fourth win that year.
559
00:43:32.856 --> 00:43:35.599
And I'd done the practice days.
560
00:43:36.120 --> 00:43:41.807
And then me and the missus had gone to Portugal, to Villamora, for a few days' break.
561
00:43:41.867 --> 00:43:44.770
So on the Sunday, we were watching it in a bar.
562
00:43:45.311 --> 00:43:48.595
And it was a Sagres and...
563
00:43:49.938 --> 00:43:55.600
We were just watching it and then he won for his fourth win in that breakthrough year.
564
00:43:55.620 --> 00:43:59.361
And we had a bottle of bubbles on the go, but I had a Sargras as well.
565
00:43:59.421 --> 00:44:01.101
So yeah, that was it.
566
00:44:01.141 --> 00:44:02.622
I can't remember which bar it was.
567
00:44:03.202 --> 00:44:09.184
I don't think it was the 19th hole in Villamora, but it was a bar of similar ilk.
568
00:44:09.584 --> 00:44:12.885
It might have been the 19th hole in Villamora, but yeah, that was a special one.
569
00:44:13.499 --> 00:44:15.441
So Brandon Grace, fourth win in the year.
570
00:44:15.501 --> 00:44:18.525
Villamora, Bar, and it's Sargress, Lee Cumble home.
571
00:44:18.565 --> 00:44:19.506
I think that gets in.
572
00:44:19.606 --> 00:44:20.247
That's a good one.
573
00:44:20.507 --> 00:44:21.068
That goes...
574
00:44:21.707 --> 00:44:22.368
That goes up there.
575
00:44:22.388 --> 00:44:27.351
We'll rearrange this order when you're not present, but that definitely gets into the top seven or eight we got so far.
576
00:44:27.891 --> 00:44:28.632
Mate, awesome.
577
00:44:28.852 --> 00:44:34.576
And anyone who wants to find out about Lee winning Golf Mind will put everything down in the description below.
578
00:44:34.956 --> 00:44:37.338
He's got some parent duties to take care of.
579
00:44:37.378 --> 00:44:40.020
The three of us will wrap up this podcast and summarise everything.
580
00:44:40.040 --> 00:44:41.721
But Lee, fantastic as ever.
581
00:44:41.761 --> 00:44:42.942
Thank you so much for joining us.
582
00:44:43.442 --> 00:44:44.423
Thanks, guys.
583
00:44:45.043 --> 00:44:45.884
Cheers for the questions.
584
00:44:46.744 --> 00:44:47.084
No worries.
585
00:44:47.104 --> 00:44:47.565
Thanks for the time.
586
00:44:54.195 --> 00:44:55.797
So there you have it, Lee Crumble home.
587
00:44:55.857 --> 00:44:56.438
What a fella.
588
00:44:57.038 --> 00:44:58.720
We've bought you Psychology this week.
589
00:44:59.021 --> 00:45:03.606
And of course, it's been powered by, once again, everybody, KBS player-driven, tour-proven.
590
00:45:04.046 --> 00:45:05.027
Some good friends of
mine.
591
00:45:05.067 --> 00:45:07.190
It's nice we didn't have the dog interrupt us for once, boys.
592
00:45:08.272 --> 00:45:08.712
Very true.
593
00:45:08.732 --> 00:45:13.856
And I feel like I need to be shouting out the Rocket Yard office here and Bubz needs to be talking about the Chris Ryan app behind.
594
00:45:13.896 --> 00:45:14.797
Like, what are we doing here?
595
00:45:14.897 --> 00:45:17.379
Yeah, well, it's me taking care of partners.
596
00:45:17.399 --> 00:45:18.120
You lads are shy.
597
00:45:18.240 --> 00:45:19.921
We knew that.
598
00:45:19.941 --> 00:45:23.364
What do you make of that conversation, lads?
599
00:45:23.444 --> 00:45:24.765
You take a lot away from that?
600
00:45:26.163 --> 00:45:34.069
Yeah, I'll tell you what I quite liked is actually that when he was talking about that sort of go-to mindset, that forward mindset, because I definitely feel that.
601
00:45:34.510 --> 00:45:41.795
I know this even down in the business capacity, I go for a meeting and there's just some meetings I go, yeah, I'm going to dominate this.
602
00:45:41.855 --> 00:45:42.996
I'm in for this conversation.
603
00:45:43.056 --> 00:45:45.618
I go in and I get ready and I leave feeling that way.
604
00:45:46.179 --> 00:45:52.184
And there's other times where it's almost like the situation can feel like it's a bit intimidating around you and actually you just underperform.
605
00:45:52.784 --> 00:45:58.988
So I think what he was talking about on that sense, just for me, in what I do day to day, I can resonate.
606
00:45:59.028 --> 00:46:00.108
I can relate to what he was saying.
607
00:46:00.609 --> 00:46:07.893
So for a golfer who is going towards a positive outcome, I think is a, for me, that sort of resonated completely.
608
00:46:09.554 --> 00:46:09.874
I agree.
609
00:46:09.894 --> 00:46:10.114
I think.
610
00:46:10.994 --> 00:46:16.797
What I was really interested about, and I kind of wanted to ask him a little bit more detail, but Trotty kind of covered it.
611
00:46:17.477 --> 00:46:22.320
Obviously, I've got twin boys who are six years old, and Trotty's got kids, and you have got kids as well.
612
00:46:23.841 --> 00:46:32.865
You know, we kind of hear these anecdotal stories about Tiger and his dad and what he used to do with him as a kid, and he turned out to be just an incredibly mentally strong athlete.
613
00:46:32.885 --> 00:46:38.368
So I think just a lot of the stuff that Lee said, I do want to start implementing that into my boys' golf.
614
00:46:38.928 --> 00:46:45.553
you know, sort of getting them to sort of focus on the target and, you know, not worrying about the trouble of being super focused on what they're trying to do.
615
00:46:45.693 --> 00:46:56.441
I'm not going to go into that much detail, but I think, you know, for anyone listening, who's got kids, whether it be getting them into soccer or football or rugby or cricket or whatever it may be, you know, I think it's such an important aspect.
616
00:46:56.461 --> 00:47:01.385
And I think you can do probably a lot of harm in those early years saying the wrong thing and getting them to focus on the wrong thing.
617
00:47:01.405 --> 00:47:08.210
So I'm definitely going to reevaluate kind of how I talk to my boys about golf and getting them to just start to do the right thing now.
618
00:47:09.525 --> 00:47:10.486
It's a difficult one.
619
00:47:10.586 --> 00:47:18.572
I would say that with my son is into his sport and definitely with golf, I've been, I'll be honest, I give myself a pat on the back here.
620
00:47:18.632 --> 00:47:21.875
You know me, boys, I'm harsh on my own performance.
621
00:47:21.955 --> 00:47:24.097
But as a parent with golf, I've been good with him.
622
00:47:24.477 --> 00:47:28.560
I've literally given him hardly any swing advice and just been smack it there.
623
00:47:28.841 --> 00:47:31.443
And if the ball doesn't go there, I'm like, go smack it again.
624
00:47:31.863 --> 00:47:33.243
Like just who cares?
625
00:47:33.444 --> 00:47:34.644
And that's been brilliant.
626
00:47:35.024 --> 00:47:39.345
Now, football, soccer is his main love.
627
00:47:40.046 --> 00:47:42.967
And we've actually sat down and watched the last dance together.
628
00:47:43.147 --> 00:47:44.427
And he's only a nipper too.
629
00:47:44.967 --> 00:47:51.449
And, you know, you see then Lee touched on it, Michael Jordan, the way he pulled out the most from his teammates.
630
00:47:51.649 --> 00:47:56.871
And I was watching practice last night for my son, and he was very much, he plays striker.
631
00:47:56.891 --> 00:47:59.512
So he was waiting for service and,
632
00:48:00.195 --> 00:48:14.476
you know, it was for a young kid, it was a lot of heat on the players around him, to the point where I was like, maybe you need to address how you're speaking to the others, and it needs to be a bit more positive, rather than get the ball here, do this, do that.
633
00:48:15.338 --> 00:48:15.558
But,
634
00:48:16.077 --> 00:48:19.859
You know, if you look at Michael Jordan, it wasn't always positive when it was the teammates around him.
635
00:48:19.999 --> 00:48:22.820
But if the ball comes to you, you better make it work.
636
00:48:23.481 --> 00:48:23.961
So I don't know.
637
00:48:24.161 --> 00:48:24.981
It's interesting.
638
00:48:25.001 --> 00:48:30.884
I think there's life lessons for us all to learn there on and off the golf course, as we all allude to.
639
00:48:31.284 --> 00:48:36.247
I think that is a fantastically strong entrant into the top 10 beer locations as well, guys.
640
00:48:36.287 --> 00:48:41.289
I mean, fourth win for Brandon Grace and he's sacking down a Sagres in Portugal.
641
00:48:41.349 --> 00:48:42.830
I mean, that's strong.
642
00:48:42.850 --> 00:48:43.550
That might knock.
643
00:48:43.950 --> 00:48:45.611
I was looking at this list and I was like,
644
00:48:46.233 --> 00:48:47.794
I've got Bed Beer Buds.
645
00:48:48.134 --> 00:48:48.954
I don't know what that is.
646
00:48:49.114 -->
00:48:52.875
And then after that, I've got Beer on the Honeymoon Barbados.
647
00:48:52.895 --> 00:48:54.456
So I'm like, okay, I can get that one.
648
00:48:54.716 --> 00:48:55.596
But I've got Banks.
649
00:48:55.816 --> 00:48:57.477
So I assume that was someone who wrote in.
650
00:48:57.977 --> 00:48:59.877
No, that was Banks Beer in Barbados.
651
00:49:00.417 --> 00:49:00.738
That was you.
652
00:49:00.758 --> 00:49:01.498
Yeah, that's you then.
653
00:49:01.518 --> 00:49:02.778
Banks Beer in Barbados.
654
00:49:03.759 --> 00:49:04.759
So I've got Bed Beer.
655
00:49:04.939 --> 00:49:05.719
What's Bed Beer?
656
00:49:06.439 --> 00:49:08.100
Just getting your kids to bed and you had a beer.
657
00:49:08.180 --> 00:49:08.580
Yeah.
658
00:49:08.660 --> 00:49:09.680
It's got your...
659
00:49:09.740 --> 00:49:10.821
I think it was you.
660
00:49:10.861 --> 00:49:11.581
I think it was you.
661
00:49:11.661 --> 00:49:13.242
It's got your name next to it.
662
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:18.557
Okay, I'll scratch that one now.
663
00:49:19.228 --> 00:49:20.648
Yeah, you can scrap that one.
664
00:49:20.668 --> 00:49:22.229
See, Banks via Barbados.
665
00:49:22.269 --> 00:49:23.489
So we've got a good list going.
666
00:49:23.949 --> 00:49:29.850
Dasla, I know it's only been a few days since we had the last podcast and we're recording this one in advance.
667
00:49:30.430 --> 00:49:31.650
Any messages, any writing?
668
00:49:31.670 --> 00:49:35.211
I know guys listening, we appreciate all of the interaction, all of the engagement.
669
00:49:35.551 --> 00:49:43.572
I know on my personal channels, I've had some guys get in touch with me and just compliment us on the work we're doing here, which I appreciate that.
670
00:49:43.672 --> 00:49:45.653
I can see that the listeners are up.
671
00:49:45.713 --> 00:49:48.413
We've had Lloyd shout out that one as well to tell us that,
672
00:49:48.773 --> 00:49:52.156
We're having a lot more downloads and listens, so we appreciate it.
673
00:49:52.556 --> 00:50:00.203
The Dope Stroke podcast, folks, Daryl can tell you everywhere to find it, and I shall allow him to take the floor and close out this week's podcast.
674
00:50:00.797 --> 00:50:09.080
Yeah, to echo what you're saying there, Trudy, we've definitely had a few people email in, a few direct messages, a few messages directly to myself as well.
675
00:50:09.180 --> 00:50:10.880
Like you said, complimenting what we're doing.
676
00:50:10.900 --> 00:50:14.661
We're obviously doing some things the right way, loving some of the criticism as well.
677
00:50:14.681 --> 00:50:17.602
That's generally quite helpful, in particular the Tommy Fleetwood in the top 10.
678
00:50:17.962 --> 00:50:20.643
But beyond that... Got heat for that.
679
00:50:20.663 --> 00:50:21.724
Yeah, got heat, you said.
680
00:50:21.804 --> 00:50:22.284
But...
681
00:50:22.910 --> 00:50:35.658
Yeah, I think there's definitely guys are quite enjoying the fact that we're bringing the conversation from three totally different viewpoints and just talking about the experiences that we have to be able to give the insight that we are.
682
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:41.742
So I'm definitely encouraging those guys to drop us some notes about what you'd like us to talk about.
683
00:50:42.202 --> 00:50:44.004
I know the World Rankings one was quite popular.
684
00:50:44.124 --> 00:50:46.145
I know the State of Golf was quite popular.
685
00:50:46.845 --> 00:50:48.086
So yeah, please drop that in.
686
00:50:48.106 --> 00:50:50.828
The email address to do so is hello at dopestrope.com.
687
00:50:51.048 --> 00:51:08.272
dot golf so please send that through and on social media you'll find us at dope stroke dot show but as usual you can check us out on apple and shopify and again it is the dope stroke podcast so please go ahead and do that or actually uh that's it that's all i've got for you
688
00:51:08.472 --> 00:51:10.473
But until the next episode, I'll close it up.
689
00:51:10.533 --> 00:51:12.074
We can still wait for these two to do it.
690
00:51:12.314 --> 00:51:14.235
You know where to find us, all the usual places.
691
00:51:14.436 --> 00:51:17.057
You can get us on your podcast, Apple devices.
692
00:51:17.077 --> 00:51:18.818
You can get us on Spotify.
693
00:51:19.118 --> 00:51:20.719
And also you can find us on YouTube.
694
00:51:21.059 --> 00:51:24.602
Until next time, that was episode number seven or eight.
695
00:51:24.982 --> 00:51:27.623
I can't even remember, but it's in the books.
696
00:51:27.723 --> 00:51:28.184
We'll be back.
697
00:51:28.544 --> 00:51:30.785
We've got another guest coming for you, hot and strong, next week.
698
00:51:31.125 --> 00:51:31.426
Take care.