Full Transcript for LASIK for Your Third Eye (Widow’s Bay, Episodes 5 & 6)

00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:56.319 They put it on the screen. 00:02:56.879 --> 00:03:01.840 And when I tell you, my eyebrows were like twitching every couple minutes. 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:03.840 Like Emma Watson and Harry Potter. 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:04.479 Worse. 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:05.120 Worse. 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:07.599 And I was like, oh my god. 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:12.400 Like it really was a moment where I was like, well, I will never do screen acting. 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:13.520 Never, never. 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:14.560 But here we are. 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:15.360 Here we are. 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:16.560 Screen acting. 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:17.759 Screen acting. 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:24.479 I appreciate too that for our beautiful listeners who just listened to us, this is completely irrelevant commentary. 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:27.280 Let's be honest, it's irrelevant to our viewers as well. 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:33.520 But all that to say that we're working with some different angles and trying to figure out everything that works. 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:35.520 So thank you for coming along on this ride with us. 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:38.719 Well, that's enough of us indulging our insecurities and vanities. 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:40.719 It's been a real Patricia hour here. 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:41.439 Yes. 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:42.159 Yes. 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:51.439 But we're trying to figure out how to get we have lovely spooky decor behind us, and this particular crop of our faces doesn't do it justice. 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:53.280 We realized what were you gonna say? 00:03:53.599 --> 00:04:01.759 I was like, Catherine has a do you like scary movies neon sign behind her, which I love, but all you get is kind of just an aura of pink. 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:12.879 It's like do like do like and Ali's got Jason and if you full Halloween tree and our artwork poster behind her. 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:14.080 Just envision it. 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:14.319 Yeah. 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:15.520 Envision it, viewers. 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:18.879 Maybe I should hold little baby Jason right here in my arms. 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:22.319 Yeah, when we do our Halloween special, he should definitely be at the table. 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:23.279 I love that. 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:24.959 More than earned his place here. 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:27.920 He's gonna do like the little levels on the table. 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:39.920 So, Allie, today we're going to be talking about Widow's Bay episodes five and six, which are entitled What to Expect from Your Trip and Our History. 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:43.120 Oh, I like both of these for very different reasons. 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:45.439 Yeah, they're extremely different episodes. 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:48.480 Very different vibes, but equally spooky and funny. 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:54.240 But before we get to that, it's time for our creeped out. 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:58.639 So,

full transparency, you and I are about to take a little trip. 00:04:58.800 --> 00:04:59.120 Yes. 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:00.879 Talking about what to expect from your trip. 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:06.000 So we are kind of uh bulk recording a few episodes. 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:06.720 Yes, we are. 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:10.399 Different main sweaters, but yeah, maybe same time period. 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:11.439 I don't believe it. 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:18.240 So because we're recording these in pretty quick succession, a full week has not elapsed in which creepy things can happen. 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:22.959 Although a slightly creepy thing did happen yesterday on our afternoon walk. 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:25.279 Um you want to go first? 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:26.160 Sure. 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:32.639 Well, I guess this one's just a little anecdote, but we were walking along our neighborhood. 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:37.439 The weather is finally getting manageable in Austin. 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:38.480 Manageable. 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:44.160 Let's not go as far as to say getting nice, because it's it's not, it's becoming more manageable. 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:44.560 Yes. 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:48.160 Hi's still in the mid-80s, but we're making do. 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:51.279 So we're trying to take it in, take in the autumn sun. 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:58.800 We're appreciating some of our neighbors' Halloween decor, but one particular neighbor's decor freaked me out. 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:05.120 Allie and I were commenting earlier in the walk that Allie walks beside me almost like a hurting dog. 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:07.759 Okay, yes. 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:12.160 I just don't have the best balance, and like I feel like I veer. 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:13.279 I veer all the time. 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:18.079 So I'm just like veering into her space, and she's like, oh, to be fair, I veer as well. 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:21.839 But all that to say that there's not a lot of space between us a lot of times when we're walking. 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:28.000 Our neighborhood also doesn't have sidewalks, so we're generally trying to stay on one side of the street. 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:35.680 And we were walking along, and this particular neighbor had a rat decor. 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:42.160 Massive, massive black rat decor on the walkway leading up to their door. 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:44.399 And it was right there on the curb. 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:51.839 And so I just saw it and freaked out, and I had nowhere to go because I was hedged in on the curb. 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:57.439 The only other place was Allie, and I rammed myself into Allie yelping in fright. 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:01.360 That little number, which was very sweet. 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:02.319 Oh, yeah. 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:02.639 Yeah. 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:04.879 Allie will save me. 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:07.040 But then it freaked out Allie. 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:13.040 She didn't know I was upset, and it took me a moment to recover my senses and for my little lizard brain to catch up with. 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:14.160 I was like, what is it? 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:17.519 Understanding that it was in fact just a decoration. 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:19.920 But yeah, that's my my little creeped out. 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:22.160 I have a bigger one too, but but first I want to hear from you. 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:23.839 Oh, you have a bigger one? 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:28.319 I have a bigger, more linguistic one. 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:29.199 Okay. 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:31.439 Should I just get into it? 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:32.319 Sure. 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:43.120 Look, I don't know if this is the proper form, but I need to talk about something that has been, for lack of a better phrase, creeping me out. 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:51.920 I need to understand, because this was triggered in my brain the other day because I brought this issue up to you multiple times. 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:55.759 And then I saw a real with someone talking about it for the first time. 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:56.240 Wait. 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:58.240 I've never had this validated before. 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:05.120 And it is the phenomenon of people saying woman when they mean to say women. 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:11.439 Okay, this wasn't what I thought was gonna happen what you were gonna talk about, but I'm so glad we are talking about this. 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:12.480 This is the forum. 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:13.439 Any forum. 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:15.839 I will I will shout this from the mountaintops. 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:17.680 I don't understand what's happening. 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:24.480 And here's the thing: I'm a big believer in grammar being descriptive, not prescriptive. 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:28.319 If people are misusing a word enough, fine. 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:30.959 That's just like the received way that we are saying it. 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:41.600 Now, like I used to have an issue with people saying literally incorrectly, and now I misuse literally all the time because we just say literally as uh an emphasis. 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:45.039 Or or like I I could care less. 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:47.279 Yeah, when it should be couldn't care less. 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:55.360 The one thing that still bugs me is people misusing you and I, and you and me, like using you and I when they ought to be the object. 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:57.120 Um it should be you and me. 00:08:57.360 --> 00:09:00.720 You never correct me, but I I know I do it incorrectly. 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:09.919 So I just think there was a whole generation of school children who had teachers who didn't teach them that you and I is not always the proper uh usage. 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:10.879 Yeah, that's true. 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:14.480 Like you and I gave the gift, but the gift was given to you and me. 00:09:14.960 -->

00:09:20.399 And this happens all the time on housewives in particular, and I don't know why it makes my blood boil. 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:21.519 I'm getting off track. 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:23.679 The point is that I'm a hypocrite in my mind. 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:30.480 I think that grammar should be descriptive and not prescriptive, but there are still things that really oh, they really get me on. 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:31.440 I don't understand. 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:35.840 This one's just something where I'm like, I'm not even upset at the people who use it. 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:42.320 I'm just befuddled and it makes me feel crazy confused by it. 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:46.320 So I first started noticing this maybe a few years ago. 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:57.200 I watch a lot of YouTubers, and several of them are older, Gen Z, younger millennial, and I think that this is where it's particularly concentrated. 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:06.320 But it is people interchangeably using women and women, but particularly when they mean the plural women saying woman. 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:09.519 So this issue has affected a lot of women. 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:10.559 What? 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:15.200 I need people to like write in when this became like a thing. 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:18.159 Because I know they were not taught this in school. 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:32.879 It just feels like a colloquial thing, maybe though, that's caught on with a certain generation, and it makes me feel bananas because I listen to certain creators who will switch back and forth between using women and women for a plural. 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:35.360 Which again, that's something we all have our sometimes. 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:38.879 That's true. 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:46.399 I I get that it's spelled like woman. 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:49.039 But it's not an woman. 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:50.159 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:55.440 Like I get that it's like, I think the argument could be made if you like phonetically sound it out. 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:55.919 Right. 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:56.960 It is woman. 00:10:57.279 --> 00:11:02.240 Notoriously, as someone who is taught English as a foreign language, I'm the first to say English makes no sense. 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:02.639 No. 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:04.799 Even when you teach it phonetically, it drives me nuts. 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:06.080 This drives me nuts. 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:08.639 And again, like I'm not upset with the people who are saying it. 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:09.759 I just need answers. 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:12.399 And for a long time I was first too. 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:16.159 Wait, maybe this is some new thing that we're doing. 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:27.600 Like, for lack of a better term, I don't mean this uh pejoratively, but like a woke thing where we're we're trying to be more inclusive of all women, maybe that's or woman. 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:38.000 And so I was obsessively starting two and a half, three years ago, like looking on forums, trying to find like Reddit forms and be like, am I missing a cultural memo? 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:40.320 Are we supposed to be saying woman now? 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:40.879 But no. 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:42.639 Seriously, write in, write in. 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:43.679 Tell me about this. 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:46.799 Partially why I wanted to bring it up on the podcast because I just want answers. 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:51.360 I just need answers because Catherine is crashing out. 00:11:52.159 --> 00:12:06.240 Every time it happens, I'll just be dupe dooping, like doing the dishes, making dinner, and I will listen to some podcast or YouTuber say, Yeah, it's great when you're hanging out with a group of women and I want to scream. 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:08.320 I've heard her break a plate before. 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:13.440 She's been like in the kitchen listening to her podcast, and then she's broken a plate, and I'm like, what happened? 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:16.000 And she's like, Someone said Allie made that up. 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:22.559 I did yeah, it has not led to any broken plates, but I think it just happens enough. 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:23.120 Yeah. 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:27.039 Like it feels like some sort of slow torture where like everything's fine. 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:33.679 I hear people say women normally, and then all of a sudden there will be a rogue plural woman, and I will crash out. 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:44.240 I just honestly is the closest I think I've come to paranoia, where it's like someone's trolling with me because I don't hear anyone else talking about this. 00:12:44.399 --> 00:13:05.600 And I when I saw this real pop onto my phone, it was interesting because the person who made it was specifically saying that he was noticing it with a lot of these like incel like Gen Z red pilled men who have been using it and he was interpreting it as like some sort of or female. 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:10.639 You're like, I can only crash out about one thing at a time, please. 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:13.919 Look, sometimes female is the accurate way you describe something. 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:25.759 I understand too, like in different like dialects, like that's normal, but they we all know certain women hating white men who say females as though we're some sort of just animal. 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:26.480 Definitely. 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:27.919 Uh but this is different. 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:29.519 I don't know what it is. 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:30.559 I don't know what it is. 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:31.759 I don't know what it is either. 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:39.039 So, listeners, if you yourself have observed this phenomenon or you take part in it, and there's there's a reason that I don't know about. 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:46.639 I would love to know because I think it is slowly driving me mad, and in that way it does feel like

some sort of horror thriller movie. 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:52.320 Yeah, like I think if you had like a reason why it's happening, you could be like, okay, this is the discourse. 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:53.519 This is like why. 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:53.919 Right. 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:56.320 But I don't think but I haven't found any discourse. 00:13:56.480 --> 00:14:01.600 I just think that there's a certain generation who is now just saying woman for everything. 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:02.480 Woman. 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:03.360 Why? 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:04.320 Why? 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:10.000 Yeah, shout out to my friend Sarah that I saw already comment on that post. 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:10.799 Oh, really? 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:11.440 Yeah. 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:14.000 And she was like, This has been driving me crazy. 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:14.480 Okay. 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:16.320 I just need to feel like I'm not alone. 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:17.120 No, no, no. 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:20.240 Because I have noticed it like happening more and more. 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:23.519 Man, men, woman, women. 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:25.440 I have to remind myself of the reality. 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:26.960 I have to remind myself. 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:32.720 I will not be trapped in whatever alternate reality is occurring. 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:33.360 Yeah. 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:34.159 And that's it. 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:36.480 That's that's all she's that's my big creeped out. 00:14:36.559 --> 00:14:38.240 Thank you for indulging me. 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:41.519 Deep breaths. 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:45.840 What is your creeped out? 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:50.240 Well, my creeped out is like kind of a funny creeped out. 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:56.080 I think I'm creeped out sometimes by how accurate an algorithm can be on TikTok. 00:14:56.399 --> 00:15:05.440 Oh, so it's obviously, you know, on our creepover uh TikTok, it's like, you know, fun, spooky things. 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:06.240 I love that. 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:08.159 Obviously, I'm engaging with that. 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:16.080 But then the occasional, not occasional, a lot, a lot of Chili's triple dipper content. 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:17.600 And here's the thing. 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:18.960 Here's the thing, people. 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:24.720 I can have one item on the Chili's triple dipper menu. 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:29.759 But do I still want a triple dipper and do I still want to like see content about it? 00:15:29.919 --> 00:15:30.960 Obviously, yes. 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:32.240 Obviously, yes. 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:37.519 Also, the BJ's, it's like called a pizzuki. 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:39.600 It's called a pizzookie. 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:40.559 So what is this? 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:41.360 A cookie pizza? 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:42.240 Piz cookie? 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:43.600 Not a pizza cookie. 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:44.720 Oh, not a pizza. 00:15:46.240

--> 00:15:47.039 Pizzuki? 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:48.639 I don't know. 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:50.879 It's like a cookie, like a skillet cookie. 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:52.399 So yeah, maybe it's like a pie. 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:55.120 But then it's like orange ice cream. 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:56.080 Yeah, yeah. 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:56.720 I want it. 00:15:56.879 --> 00:15:58.720 The flavor orange or the color orange. 00:15:58.879 --> 00:15:59.519 No, the color orange. 00:15:59.679 --> 00:15:59.840 Okay. 00:15:59.919 --> 00:16:00.720 It's like the spooky. 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:02.159 And then it's like covered in Oreos. 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:03.200 I want that. 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:08.000 I want a molten lava cake and I want Chili's turple dipper, but I just want the mozzarella sticks. 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:09.200 Oh, right, right. 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:09.919 Yes. 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:10.559 Um, yeah. 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:14.240 So I'm creeped out by the fact that it knows how much I want that. 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:17.759 Which looks so in Austin, I think pretty famously. 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:24.480 Um, because when you're in the city center itself, there's not a lot of chains, which I think Austin takes great pride in. 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:35.200 Like we really value our local restaurants, but there is quite famously a Chili's in a pretty still central part in Austin. 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:38.399 The most prime real estate you could imagine. 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:38.799 Yeah. 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:40.320 45th and Lamar. 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:44.240 And it has miraculously survived. 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:56.639 I think there have been actual think pieces on the fact that so many fern restaurants are going out of business, but Chili's has managed to still capture millennials and Gen Z by having reasonable prices. 00:16:57.200 --> 00:16:57.679 Yeah. 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:00.000 And they have certainly done so here. 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:06.480 Allie and I have been to Chili's maybe twice in the past year, which is more than I was going for a very long period of time. 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:09.440 This Chili's is actually very good. 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:10.720 Like the food is good. 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:11.039 Yeah. 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:15.200 The fries are good, salty fries, it's great stuff. 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:20.400 So anyway, just sometimes how accurate the algorithm can be is what creeps me out a little bit. 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:21.519 It is indeed creepy. 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:25.279 And it also knows how much I just kind of want to go to Chili's, I guess. 00:17:25.519 --> 00:17:26.720 So this is a hint. 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:28.799 Next date night chilies. 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:29.759 Got it. 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:33.039 It's all okay. 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:34.000 Okay, Ali. 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:36.240 Well, that's enough of our creeping out. 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:39.519 Are you ready for this week's haunted VHS? 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:40.799 Yes, I am. 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:52.559 Okay, so as we said at the top of the episode, we're going to be discussing Widow's Bay episodes five and six, which is the true beginning of act two. 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:57.920 So our little squad of heroes are trying to figure out what the heck is going on in Widows Bay. 00:17:58.079 --> 00:18:00.559 You know, we've had the call of a hero. 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:04.640 Thomas finally accepted that he lives on a haunted island. 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:05.039 Yes. 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:08.319 And now they gotta get to the bottom of why these creepy things are happening. 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:08.960 Yeah. 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:13.920 So our very first episode is What to Expect From Your Trip. 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:18.319 It was directed by Andrew DeYoung, who I love this. 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:20.960 I was gonna say, I was like, this is familiar to me. 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:26.640 Totally tracks because he's worked on Pin 15, Shrill, and our flagmane's death. 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:30.319 And I think totally all of that really tracks for this episode. 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:30.960 Yeah. 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:36.559 Pin 15 to this day is like one of the funniest shows I think has been made in the past 25 years. 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:40.799 If you are a millennial and you have not seen that show, it it'll change your life. 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:41.599 It will. 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:48.720 And then it was written by Colton Dunn, who wrote for Ki and Peel and played Garrett in Superstore. 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:51.920 You've seen Superstore, so I don't know if you would recognize him. 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:53.279 Oh, I definitely would. 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:53.599 Okay. 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:54.880 I've never seen it. 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:56.480 I I've seen it multiple times. 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:57.519 I like it a lot. 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:00.240 It's actually a really I think people sleep on that show. 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:00.799 Okay. 00:19:01.359 --> 00:19:05.839 And then we have our history, which was directed by Ty West. 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:09.119 We love Ty West in this household. 00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:10.160 We do indeed. 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:15.599 Uh so he directed the X trilogy and House of the Devil, which I love. 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:16.000 Yes. 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:17.359 You introduced me to that one. 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:20.960 And he stars in Your Next, which we just watched for the first time this week. 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:21.440 Yes. 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:23.200 Stars loosely speaking. 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:24.400 He dies pretty quickly. 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:24.720 Yeah. 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:25.759 Spoiler alert. 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:27.920 That one's been out for a while. 00:19:28.160 --> 00:19:29.200 Like a very long time. 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:34.000 And it was written by Alberto Roldan, who

wrote for Mrs. 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:35.680 Davis and Gaslit. 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:37.359 I haven't seen either of those. 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:38.640 No, I haven't either. 00:19:39.759 --> 00:19:50.319 But it stars Matthew Reese, of course, Kate O'Flynn, Kevin Carroll, Steven Root, Dale Dickey, Kay Callan, and then these particular episodes. 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:53.359 We've got Chris the Lemming. 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:55.839 I'll fangirl more about him later. 00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:56.000 Yes. 00:19:56.319 --> 00:19:57.920 Hamish Link Later. 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:00.480 No relation to Richard because you looked that up. 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:00.960 I did. 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:01.519 Yeah. 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:03.920 As Austin residents. 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:06.480 You gotta card for Link Later. 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:09.039 And Betty Gilpin among others. 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:12.160 So are we ready to get in the plot, Allie? 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:12.880 I am ready. 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:20.400 So we open on a patch of black mushrooms and an icy bit of forest. 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:28.400 And this sort of nondescript man, we'll learn who he is later, desperately crawls towards them and starts to devour them. 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:30.880 And really go like dar. 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:32.400 Yeah. 00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:33.279 Really, really. 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:38.000 It's gonna be me after we finish this podcast. 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:39.279 It's what? 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:41.440 It's like 10:45. 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:43.759 This is probably gonna go on for another hour and a half. 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:47.920 We're gonna crash out our history episode. 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:50.720 Might take a cheese break. 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:53.359 I need last night's pasta, man. 00:20:54.400 --> 00:21:02.640 So we then cut to the town hall office where Tom hands Dale a message to issue out to the entire island. 00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:05.839 And it reads curfew, 7 p.m. 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:10.640 to 7 a.m., all recreational areas closed. 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:12.640 Townspeople are not gonna like this. 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:13.839 No, they certainly are not. 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:17.200 And even Dale is like, uh, what about the fireworks? 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:24.480 And a haggard-looking Tom, who remember has just been through it with I guess in his case, the sea hag. 00:21:24.799 --> 00:21:28.880 Patricia's just come off the wild party she threw. 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:31.759 He simply tells Dale, do it. 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:32.559 Do it. 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:44.079 And then Tom goes to his office where he's attempting this impossible task of keeping Evan, his son, safe there just for 30 minutes while he leaves. 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:46.960 And Evan, Evan is just like a puppy. 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:47.920 Yeah, he is. 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:52.960 And and it's like it really is a puppy in the way that's just like you're looking for things to fuck up. 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:53.519 Exactly. 00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:55.039 You're you're just looking for them. 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:57.039 He's like, Can I chew this? 00:21:57.279 --> 00:21:58.480 Can I dig a hole through here? 00:21:58.720 --> 00:21:59.839 You see, I'm like, how can I escape? 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:02.000 Kind of looking for every exit, you know? 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:04.240 He's like, hmm, I could probably jump out that window. 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:05.680 It's like a cartoon character. 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:07.359 His eyes are going boing, boing, boing. 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:09.359 And Tom is very well aware of this. 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:17.519 I think he even makes a comment like, I can see you're already scheming how you can get into trouble in a half hour. 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:21.920 And he warns him that he's gonna call him every 10 minutes. 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:25.039 And Evan does what he always does in feigns ignorance. 00:22:25.119 --> 00:22:26.319 He just kind of messes with the phone. 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:27.680 He's like, How does this work? 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:28.640 How does this work? 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:30.480 How does this work? 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:40.720 I fear that if Evan doesn't do some personal growth in the next five to eight years, uh, he's gonna be a real weaponized incompetent boyfriend to some poor woman. 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:42.720 Oh God, so accurate. 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:49.279 But just as Tom is leaving the office, Evan asks if Father Bryce hung himself. 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:51.920 And Tom says that they're gonna talk about it later. 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:54.559 And then he heads to Father Bryce's funeral. 00:22:54.799 --> 00:22:55.440 Yeah. 00:22:55.920 --> 00:23:02.799 Which I love a townsperson is just like going off about like the most basic facts and just like nothing really makes sense. 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:09.599 And then the person gets over the the speaker and is just like, just a reminder, you guys don't have to talk. 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:11.839 Yeah, he's like, you know, I don't really know him. 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:14.000 I can't believe he's gone. 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:23.920 I think unfortunately, funerals really do bring out um every so often people who are just starved for attention as we make this podcast. 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:27.039 We we would never crash a funeral though. 00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:30.480 No, there was a the hesitancy in your eyes. 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:33.599 No, we wouldn't, but we we do crave a microphone, I think. 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:34.960 That is very true. 00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:35.440 Yes. 00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:38.640 Um, I think oh what is that Carol Radzuell? 00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:43.039 I I think that we have to make a Real Housewaves a New York reference every single time we do an episode. 00:23:43.279 --> 00:23:46.400 Definitely Real Housewaves, just like blanket for sure.

00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:52.319 But in her memoir, she says something about what does she call them? 00:23:52.799 --> 00:24:18.960 It's essentially like the the concept is like these sort of grief hangers on people who aren't involved because she describes this honestly horrific tragedy that happened at her all-girl school and the way that all these girls who didn't know this person really at all, but were just showing up to kind of uh indulge themselves on the drama and the grief and the attention. 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:29.759 And she uses this particularly later because Carol Radziwell was married to JFK Jr.'s cousin and very close with JFK Jr. 00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:40.799 and CBK, who I know have really been getting a resurgence of interest with Love Story, and was talking specifically about grief hangers on that showed up in a different iteration. 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:42.960 And I fear that that is occurring again. 00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:46.799 Yeah, it was always like she was my best friend, and I'm like, really? 00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:48.720 Was she your best friend? 00:24:49.279 --> 00:25:02.160 And you know, it's interesting because I do understand that that's how Chris perceives Patricia that Patricia was using this massive grief that actually affected her to get attention for herself. 00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:04.000 So I I get where you're coming from, Chris. 00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:05.039 I still think you're a terrible person. 00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:06.480 Yeah, I oh, definitely. 00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:22.240 Uh so in Father Bryce's rectory, Tom and Patricia and Wick look through his things in an attempt to make sense of what is going on to try to get just some sort of clue about why he would have hung himself. 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:29.920 And there's a message scratched into Bryce's desk which says, My eye is open. 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:31.039 It's open. 00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:32.799 It's open. 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:33.920 It's open. 00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:36.400 We don't have answers. 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:36.960 Yeah. 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:40.640 Yeah, we're gonna figure out why that scratch into his desk later. 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:48.960 So Wick finds a piece of old paper that appears to be blank, it's kind of dirty, and he he keeps it for later. 00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:54.319 And meanwhile, Tom finds a stash of black mushrooms wrapped in a handkerchief. 00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:58.160 And Tom says that Father Bryce called him on his landline. 00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:04.960 We know this, of course, because of his message, but he also called this other unknown number multiple times. 00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:07.279 So they really got their detective hats on. 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:10.319 And the three of them decide to call back the number. 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:11.839 Tom does this first. 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:15.599 Tom is not equipped for this type of detective work. 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:17.119 Tom's like, Who is this? 00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:19.279 The guy's like, Who is this? 00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:21.759 So Patricia has to take the race. 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:29.759 And when she tells the man on the end that Father Bryce gave them the number, he says, He'll meet them in 15 minutes. 00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:31.519 Yeah, he's like, Do you want an appointment? 00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:32.160 Mm-hmm. 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:33.039 Mm-hmm. 00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:34.400 She says, Yes. 00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:35.599 Sure. 00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:37.279 I don't appointment for what? 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:37.759 I don't know. 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:38.079 Huh? 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:40.960 This would be me interacting with a spoiler alert, Jack Taylor. 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:41.599 Yeah. 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:43.039 Um, how does this? 00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:46.640 Oh, is there an online portal where I can make an appointment? 00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:51.359 It's like the callback to the always sunny episode where they're like, Can I have one rock? 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:52.720 Just a rock. 00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:53.839 A rock's fine. 00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:56.079 Exactly that. 00:26:56.319 --> 00:26:58.720 Um, but he says to meet them and he gives them the address. 00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:00.720 It's 12 Birch Street. 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:12.000 So Tom, Patricia, and Wick all arrive at this charming little yellow house, and they are welcomed by none other than one of our personal comedy heroes, Chris Fleming himself. 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:14.160 Just like even more than comedy heroes. 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:15.680 I just feel like hero. 00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:16.480 Yes. 00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:16.880 Yeah. 00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:19.200 Like he's just an inspiration to us all. 00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:19.920 Yes. 00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:20.319 Yes. 00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:27.200 I was first introduced to Chris Fleming by lovely friend of the podcast, Hillary, over a decade ago. 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:31.599 I think I'd started with, because I hadn't seen his Gale content. 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:34.720 And I feel like I started with his Gale content. 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:35.920 The company is coming. 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:42.240 Listeners, if you don't know what we're talking about, you should definitely go down a Chris Fleming rabbit hole on YouTube and find his early stuff. 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:52.720 Essentially, he plays this woman named Gail, who I did not grow up in New England, but is sort of, I think it's supposed to be the Karen of New England before the term Karen existed. 00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:55.839 Yeah, just like your everyday suburban mom. 00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:57.039 Yeah, exactly. 00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:02.480 And he has a special called Company's Coming, which we still quote when we're cleaning the house. 00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:03.119 Every time. 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:06.880 And the one that I watch with Hillary is called Paint Night about. 00:28:07.119

--> 00:28:12.160 I feel like they're less popular now, but those events that used to take place in the mid-10s. 00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:12.880 Yes. 00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:15.599 Where now it's candle making. 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:17.200 Now it's like a little cooler. 00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:19.519 It's like candle making craft night. 00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:19.759 Yeah. 00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:22.319 We used to just drink wine and paint. 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:25.839 And I say we as like the collective we because I absolutely have never done this. 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:27.519 I have not yet done one either. 00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:32.799 The local one where I was in my study at the time was called Sips and Strokes. 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:40.559 I just think they needed to work that title for multiple reasons. 00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:42.319 Sips and Strokes. 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:45.839 That's not good. 00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:47.519 That's not good. 00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:53.039 Um, but as you might well imagine, the the sketch was about Chris lampooning this idea. 00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:53.680 Yes. 00:28:53.920 --> 00:29:04.720 But I just always appreciated how uh just delightful and I don't know how Chris himself would describe it, just but just like gender ambiguous. 00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:05.279 Yeah. 00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:07.200 Uh he's always been. 00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:13.519 I remember when we were first dating, I showed you his song, I'm afraid to talk to men, which I still love. 00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:18.400 And I am just obsessed with the fact that he is really getting his flowers now. 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:24.160 He was in a Muna music video, which I was just like, yes, this is so random and so incredible. 00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:24.799 Thank you. 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:29.359 I feel like it's cropping up everywhere now, and I am happy to see it. 00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:31.519 It was also shocking when I saw him in this episode. 00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:37.359 I nearly lost my mind because I was already hooked on Widows Bay, and this was just the cherry on top. 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.240 Where's like, oh my god, it's Chris Fleming. 00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:41.359 Oh my god. 00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:43.519 One other side about Chris Fleming. 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:56.079 During COVID, there were several comedians who were doing as everything was, uh, Zoom specials, and we got tickets for Chris Fleming's Zoom special. 00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:58.079 Why did I forget about this completely? 00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:05.440 And I it is still a mind worm in my ear because his opening bit was because this had to do with the election. 00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:15.440 I think it was before the general election and obviously after the primaries when Amy Klobuchar was in the running in the Democratic primaries. 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:15.920 Yes. 00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:21.359 And the whole thing was him being Amy Klobuchar and saying, Y'all slept on Klobuchar.

00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:26.960 I still think about that way more than I love. 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:32.319 Uh so look who's here. 00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:34.640 It's Chris Fleming, and his name is Todd. 00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:35.119 Todd. 00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:36.079 Todd O'Connor. 00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:40.480 After motioning them to take a seat and his groovy little retro chairs. 00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:41.359 I love it all. 00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:42.559 Really cute chairs. 00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:44.640 It like looks like our aesthetic for sure. 00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:49.920 Yeah, you know, I think in watching this, I realized like, oh my god, I have the aesthetic of a stoner. 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:50.880 I am not a stoner. 00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:51.279 100%. 00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:51.680 You do. 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:56.319 I'm so attracted to late 60s, early 70s decor and fashion. 00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:59.440 And I've realized that that is kind of stoner coated, isn't it? 00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:00.240 It kind of is. 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.880 Because I was looking around this living room and I was like, this is amazing. 00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:04.079 I want everything here. 00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:04.880 And then I thought. 00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:08.000 And then a table that opens up. 00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:09.200 Yes. 00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:10.480 I don't need that. 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:14.240 If you open that up for us, it would just be every candy. 00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:16.880 Candy and junk food imaginable. 00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:18.640 Chips, candy, get by. 00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:19.920 Absolutely. 00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:21.680 Chris slides open. 00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:23.920 I like that in the notes, it's just Chris. 00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:26.799 I guess Todd in this case slides open his coffee table. 00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:30.480 Chris in the our boy Chris. 00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:33.839 It's like on a first name basis. 00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:34.559 Chris. 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:35.039 Chris. 00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:36.000 The good kind. 00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:37.839 Not the bully, Chris. 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:38.240 No. 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:38.640 No. 00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:43.119 So Todd opens this coffee table and reveals this shitload of drugs. 00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:48.799 And I think we have like this moment where Patricia, this feels so real to life. 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:55.119 It's when you see someone that maybe you went to high school or college with out of context after a long period of time. 00:31:55.599 --> 00:32:00.480 She's been kind of just like squinting at him and she's finally like, oh my God, Todd O'Connor. 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:02.000 Uh he knows who she is. 00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:03.279 His third eye has been open. 00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:04.480 He's like, Hi, Pat. 00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:07.440 She's like, You're a drug dealer. 00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:10.640 And he's very quick to clarify that he is, in fact, a shaman. 00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:12.079 And then she's like, Is that cocaine? 00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:14.480 And he's like, Yes, sign up cocaine. 00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:15.920 Not really your shaman type. 00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:16.480 No. 00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:29.279 And he reveals that these black mushrooms that they've brought with them because they announced that Father Bryce has died after taking these mushrooms, that they were too intense even for him. 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:29.839 Todd. 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:30.960 Which is extreme. 00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:31.279 Yeah. 00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:36.960 If you ask a drug dealer what's like too intense for you, generally the bar does not exist. 00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:37.599 Yeah. 00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:41.440 And he also mentions that they're local to this specific island. 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:44.880 And he describes them as LASIK for your third eye. 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:45.440 I love it. 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:46.559 I think they shade that right now. 00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:47.920 Such a good line. 00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:58.240 And he tells the squad that an old friend of his took them, completely changed him as a person, kind of left him without any of his motor skills. 00:32:58.400 --> 00:32:59.519 But he really mellowed out. 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:02.000 He was a way kinder boyfriend after that. 00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:05.440 And then he, oh god, it's too good. 00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:12.720 He builds up that this friend kept drawing the same drawing over and over again while he was on this trip. 00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:16.000 And he's describing it as this kind of sacred geometry. 00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:18.240 It's really gonna blow your mind, man. 00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:19.839 And what does he show them, Ali? 00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:25.359 He shows them like someone making like a turkey, basically, like you did in elementary school. 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:26.559 That is exactly what it looks like. 00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:29.200 It looks a turkey hand outline. 00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:31.200 He's like serious. 00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:32.799 Serious shit, man. 00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:35.039 So that's not gonna help them. 00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:38.240 And so they're gonna have to resort to more desperate measures. 00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:44.319 And Wick says that he will take the mushrooms and then attempt to find the answers of the island. 00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:53.519 But little does Tom know that the mushrooms were in fact placed in his tea because Todd thought that his name was Wick. 00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:56.160 And he's been glugging this tea. 00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:57.680 He's been drinking it the way I drink tea. 00:33:58.319 --> 00:33:59.039 The tea is gone. 00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:06.160 Because when they realize the mix-up, he's like, well, you know, just you know, don't drink the tea or drink a little. 00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:08.719 Because I think he still is under the impression

that he's wick. 00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:09.840 And he's like, it is gone. 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:10.800 It is all gone. 00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:12.960 He has had all the mushroom tea. 00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:18.639 It's like a little unbelievable, but it's also very funny that uh Tom cannot make himself throw up. 00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:20.320 I think he mentions like he's never been. 00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:22.159 Yeah. 00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:23.599 I just love that. 00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:27.679 Like, uh, which is really unfortunate in this situation. 00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:29.119 You've really eaten a puke. 00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:29.920 We got a puke. 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.480 At that point, I'd be like, give me some epicac. 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:34.719 I'm yeah, I doubt many people have that in their mind. 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.280 I wonder if that even like works on him. 00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:38.159 Maybe. 00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:39.920 But Patricia's like, I'll help. 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.639 Like, and then she's like, get off me. 00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:50.239 So he he can't puke it up, so he's just gonna have to buckle up for what Todd tells him is a 12-hour trip. 00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:53.199 I would be freaking the hell out, Allie. 00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:54.480 I will say. 00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:56.800 You do have to just kind of buckle in. 00:34:57.039 --> 00:34:58.079 Yeah, yeah, you do. 00:34:58.400 --> 00:34:59.440 I would imagine so. 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:07.039 Um, so Todd takes them to a place that we've heard him reference before called the Peace Center. 00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:12.880 I think it's like every Bohemian uh early 20-somethings. 00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:14.159 My room looked like this. 00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:15.599 No budget bedroom. 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:16.239 Absolutely. 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:25.440 So it's like a couple string lights, you know, there's a mattress on the ground with some comfy pillows, but just center of the room mattress, which really freaks me out. 00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:27.440 I would at least be up against a wall. 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:28.880 I have standards people. 00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:30.079 I have standards, yes. 00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:31.519 Um, but it would still be on the floor. 00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:34.880 My mattress was on the floor until we moved in together. 00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:38.239 It was a very sweet setup, but it was yeah, absolutely on the floor. 00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:39.760 Technically on the floor, yeah. 00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:48.400 Um, it's the kind of situation where they've just draped curtains over the windows in place uh uh Did I say curtains? 00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:51.119 It's not curtains, they're just little scarves, like Peshmina scarves. 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:54.719 Yeah, like a tapestry just randomly, you know, in the corner. 00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:55.599 In the center. 00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:59.360 And then he's like, just lay down in the bed. 00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:05.519 And so he he like lays down in the bed, and then there's like a giant lizard in there. 00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:07.519 Named Beatrice. 00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:08.800 Named Beatrice. 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:15.119 He's like, she's in her 50s, she has wanderlust, which I think is just so beautiful. 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:16.480 This is the point. 00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:23.280 This may all be in the script because regardless, props to the writer, but this was the point where I was like, this sounds like Chris Fleming and Pro. 00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:23.840 Prov. 00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:24.880 A hundred percent. 00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:26.400 I would be shocked if it wasn't. 00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:31.360 Because his style of humor is so random and esoteric. 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:34.960 You gotta, if you if you're not a fan, go listen to his stuff. 00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:36.000 You will become a fan. 00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:42.000 Yeah, like the man has done an entire song/slash sketch that lasts for like 10 minutes. 00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:50.079 That's just about a very specific moment in a Kate Bush music video as sung by Sufjon Stevens. 00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:56.880 So this is tracking to me that Chris Fleming would just throw in a line about Beatrice the Lizard having wanderlust. 00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:00.480 No, this would not be the room I would like to trip in. 00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:06.400 I would be like, no, I need to be like very, very safe in a cozy bed, snuggled up. 00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:09.440 But it's true that there's not a lot of stimulation in there. 00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:11.679 That's true, but I think there are better places. 00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:18.559 Like ideally, I feel like I would be on the set of a Nora Efron movie in a cozy little 90s rom-com petro. 00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:23.119 Or like the the House on the Lake and Sleepless in Seattle. 00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:23.679 Yes. 00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:24.480 Yes, yes. 00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:25.280 I'd love that. 00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:26.000 Sorry. 00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:29.360 There is massive yard work going on. 00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:30.800 So this is the obligatory. 00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:33.119 I feel as though it happens in every podcast at some point. 00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:34.239 We cannot stop. 00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:35.440 We cannot stop. 00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:36.719 Out of control. 00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:46.400 I really feel as though when things like this happen, it feels like they are intentionally trying to make that weed whacker go off to new levels that it has never achieved before. 00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:48.000 So that's happening. 00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:48.719 Sorry. 00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:58.719 So Tom really starts tripping hard, and for the rest of this entire episode, we just get him fading in and out of consciousness. 00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:00.239 So he fades out. 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:07.280 And I was gonna say that this is the

worst place to go on a trip, but as we soon find out, there are worse places for Tom. 00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:08.719 There are much worse places. 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:12.000 There is like one scene that I'm like, I would never recover. 00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:18.559 So he regains consciousness first in the car with Patricia, and she says something like, Stop shouting at me. 00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:23.360 We can only imagine what under the influence Tom has been doing. 00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:27.920 And then we jump to him in his office with Patricia and Dale. 00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:36.480 And Tom, his repeated this also feels so true to life, because I think your anxiety, if it's like kicked into gear, you would just be fixating on one issue. 00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:37.119 100%. 00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.400 And his issue is the whereabouts of Evan. 00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:40.960 Yeah. 00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:44.400 Because remember, he said he was gonna go back to the office after 30 minutes. 00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:49.519 Yeah, I feel like mushrooms either make you incredibly nervous or you think you're incredibly profound. 00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.519 And you write things like there are levels on a piece of paper and crayon. 00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:55.840 Is that something you did, Allie? 00:38:56.239 --> 00:38:57.280 Theoretically? 00:38:57.599 --> 00:38:59.599 Theoretically, I have done that. 00:38:59.920 --> 00:39:13.840 My favorite anecdote about this, it's from the podcast Owner Ross and Carey, and which Ross watcher did ayahuasca for journalistic purposes, and his insight was everyone loves to go to the pool. 00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:25.280 It's it's it's I can't describe to you how you feel like you've like cracked the Da Vinci code, you know, and you're like, oh my god, I solved the the the answer to life. 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:25.760 I have it. 00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:28.320 And then you wake up and you get out of it and you're like, huh. 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:29.280 There are levels. 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.719 I I guess there are levels to things. 00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:33.679 There are. 00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:36.559 There was nothing wrong about that statement. 00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:39.840 No, but I think it felt like you solved everything, you know. 00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:45.039 I also think if it leads to a lasting breakthrough where you're more at peace with life, then definitely is great. 00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:46.079 Definitely did that. 00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:47.760 The only experience Theoretically. 00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:48.719 Theoretically. 00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:58.239 Uh the only experience I've had that's even close to this was just waking up in the middle of the night completely sober and having an inspiration for a line in the book that I was writing. 00:39:58.639 --> 00:39:59.840 And then forgetting it immediately. 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:00.480 No, no, no. 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:01.199 I wrote it down. 00:40:01.519 -->

00:40:08.800 And then in the morning I read it and it said, You're stuck on my heart the way ice cream sandwiches stick on your fingers. 00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:10.719 Forget about that. 00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:13.679 I love that. 00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:15.440 And I hope you meant it about me. 00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:23.199 That is, unfortunately, it was before I met you, but it was probably the closest I'll come to having what I thought was a profound insight. 00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:29.920 Because I guess the closest maybe you can come sober without like hyperventilating, perhaps, is just being half awake at three in the morning. 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:30.320 Yeah. 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:32.159 Tom is very worried about Evan. 00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:41.920 He keeps asking where he is and then learns from Patricia that um he's gone missing, but they are looking for him. 00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:46.719 I think at that point you just need to lie and say, Oh, we've got it gonna remember. 00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:48.239 I just feel like we got it covered. 00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:49.039 Yeah. 00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:50.000 Everything's fine. 00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:50.719 We're on it. 00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:51.679 Everything's fine. 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:58.400 So then we get a shot of Evan in the car with his friends, and they're smoking that reefer again. 00:40:58.639 --> 00:40:59.039 Yep. 00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:08.960 And they're with the same two tourist girls that they met with earlier, and they're sitting outside the house of the notorious boogeyman. 00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:16.320 And one of the guys explains that one night the man who lived there went insane and stabbed a bunch of teenage girls. 00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:17.920 Although he he calls them bitches. 00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:18.639 He does. 00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:20.320 Um not a good look. 00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:24.000 This guy is this guy is clearly the uh troublemaker in the group. 00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:30.239 And the police shot him but couldn't kill him, so they ended up having to bury him in the basement with concrete. 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:37.119 Love a good uh clicking to me now burying someone because he won't die. 00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:38.480 Interesting. 00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:39.440 Interesting. 00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:40.320 Note that. 00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:41.360 Note that. 00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:47.840 So we are back with Tom, who Allie has written the script for this week and has said is full on peaking. 00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:49.119 He's full on peaking. 00:41:49.440 --> 00:42:05.440 Yeah, he's in his office and Bishir shows up and confronts him about the curfew, which he really should have uh consulted Bashir about because they have scheduled fireworks that night, and he's like, My little jail cell, it's like an Andy Griffith jail cell. 00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:08.159 He's like, at max, can hold six people. 00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:12.400 How do you expect me to arrest everyone in this island for breaking curfew? 00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:15.039 Because they're definitely going to break curfew to see the fireworks. 00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:16.800 So the logistics don't work. 00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:30.239 Uh, Patricia has to leave with Bishir because she has to give a statement about sunset cocktails because some people want to press charges, Chris. 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.159 And then poor Tom is just left a trip alone. 00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:35.920 She's like, just don't move. 00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:37.119 Patricia. 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:38.000 Just stay there. 00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:44.880 Honestly, should have taken him to the police station and locked him in a gel cell and kept him safe there. 00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:45.440 Yeah. 00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:47.280 She didn't. 00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:48.239 I would want that. 00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:54.880 Yeah, I'd just be someplace where like I can't wander off and then you're coming to and ask where the hell I am. 00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:56.480 Uh but that's not what happens. 00:42:56.639 --> 00:43:03.920 So Ruth comes in and she's starting to talk, and then Tom's hearing voices. 00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:05.599 Things are getting rarely. 00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:06.800 Yes. 00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:13.599 And meanwhile, Wick has taken a trip to the historical society to see Jerry. 00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:20.239 We get this really sweet moment where we realize that the two of them have history. 00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:20.719 Yeah. 00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:30.719 I think it's clear that they used to date when they were younger because Jerry mentioned something about uh her father never liking him that much because he kept her out too late. 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:31.679 It's very cute. 00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:32.880 They have a really sweet report. 00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:34.079 I ship this relationship. 00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:35.039 Yeah, I do too. 00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:37.199 Quick and Jerry forever. 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:44.960 Um, but he wants to see if she can reveal what's on this supposedly blank paper that he found in the rectory. 00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:52.719 So she pulls out her special little restoration powder and brush, and she reveals writing on the paper. 00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:59.599 And she puts it over a light to read the writing that's been exposed, and it reads like a diary. 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:05.440 And through it we learn that there is a curse on the island. 00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:07.760 At least according to this writer. 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:14.559 The pulse of the curse, says the writer, lives in the cylinder that her husband wears around his neck. 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:20.639 And then she begins to descend into some more panicked writing, and she's afraid that he'll crush her throat. 00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:28.320 She mentions that there's a plague on the island and that death is going to come for them all, but she fears that it will come to her first.

00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:30.400 She knows not how. 00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:31.679 But who? 00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:34.320 It's all very cryptic. 00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:38.079 And then the excerpt concludes with, Of course, he's here with me. 00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:39.760 So I say all this in jest. 00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:41.679 And with that, I retire. 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:44.559 She's like, bye! Everything I'm lying. 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:45.840 I lied about this. 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:48.960 It's like before there could be like erasers. 00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:53.039 You can't like start erasing it as someone like comes into the room. 00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:54.960 She's like, This was all a joke. 00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:56.239 I just so you know. 00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:59.119 I just don't spill my ink well on top of everything at that point. 00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:01.679 I just rip it and then just eat the piece of paper. 00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:02.239 Yeah. 00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:03.920 And then be like, huh? 00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:05.119 Like, nothing. 00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:06.079 Nothing. 00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:09.039 Yeah, I don't think that's really the best course of action. 00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:14.000 We're gonna see the moment in which this entry was written in the following episode. 00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:15.360 A little spoiler alert. 00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:24.239 But I don't think writing something that grave and then saying, just kidding, it's really gonna work for someone who comes upon your journal. 00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:28.639 No, to an already paranoid husband, which we will find out later. 00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:30.320 Indeed. 00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:36.159 So Wick and Jerry are understandably confused by these words. 00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:38.320 And we we leave them there. 00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:50.079 And then back at the town hall, Tom is still tripping hard, and Dale has remained with him, and he comes up to Tom, and it's it's a really scary effect. 00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:50.559 Yeah. 00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:53.840 Because his eyes have just gone completely black. 00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:57.599 And he tells Tom, I think they're meeting soon. 00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:03.440 Like we get this great moment where Matthew Reese is leaning slowly back from him. 00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:04.000 Yeah. 00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:10.239 In an attempt to get away, and then he tries to just turn off the lights of the office. 00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:16.159 He's just like, if I don't see him, I love that it's like, yeah, it's like I can't the visuals right now. 00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:17.280 Trip logic. 00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:18.079 Yeah. 00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:22.719 And when the lights snap back on, Tom is sitting in the middle of the town hall meeting. 00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:25.360 This this is the most stressful situation I can imagine. 00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:30.480 He's just supposed to be moderating this meeting with a bunch of angry townspeople. 00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:34.480 I cannot think of a worse environment than this. 00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:35.039 No. 00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:41.760 I have pretty terrible general anxiety, but I have very terrible social anxiety. 00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.599 The other day I had so much anxiety that I was like, what if I don't have anxiety? 00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:53.519 So then I looked up the Mayo Clinic's definition of what certain types of anxiety are, and then I realized got most of them. 00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:53.920 Yeah. 00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:54.960 Got most of them. 00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:56.159 Yeah, that chops. 00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:00.880 Used to think agoraphobia was just that you couldn't leave your house. 00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:03.280 Turns out I have agoraphobia. 00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:06.400 That thing, you know, that thing where you just can't leave your house. 00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:08.880 No, it's like, yeah, I thought that was like the only definition of. 00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:09.599 No, not that. 00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:12.880 Which I usually thought, oh, I used to have that where I couldn't leave the house. 00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:19.199 I'm then it's like, no, when you avoid certain places and situations that um would trigger a panic attack. 00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:23.199 So I was like, got that, got the social, got the, you know. 00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:26.079 So we're we're dealing with anxiety here. 00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:29.360 This would be a nightmare. 00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:30.559 This would be my nightmare. 00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:31.679 This is the boss level. 00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:33.199 I hate being all anxieties. 00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:34.719 This is the boss. 00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:37.760 And so it's like that would just be in a normal life. 00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:41.280 That would be my my biggest, and then imagine tripping over the top of it. 00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:41.920 I cannot. 00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:42.960 I cannot. 00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:44.559 No, no. 00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:46.559 Uh, but you know, Tom's doing his best. 00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:51.119 I think it's probably for the best that he's not fully cognizant of what's going on. 00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:56.239 I think at one point, you know, they're all making these impassioned points about how this curfew is bullshit. 00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:58.480 Kurt, especially, is really on one. 00:47:58.559 --> 00:47:58.719 Yeah. 00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:02.480 And Tom just starts clapping along to their points. 00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:04.880 It's so good. 00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:05.920 It's so good. 00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:12.000 Uh I like too that Kurt finally just admits out loud that his inn is a piece of shit hotel. 00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:14.320 And it's it's a really great reversal. 00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:26.079 I think this comes at a really good point in act two because up until this point, Tom has wanted nothing more than to bring tourists to the

island and to ignore anything that would be a deterrent. 00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:32.079 And now suddenly, because he knows the truth, yeah, he's having to double down on things that are discouraging tourists. 00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:36.880 And now the whole town, which didn't seem to give a shit before, are all rallying against him. 00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:41.519 Yeah, now they see some like dimes in their pocket and they're like, oh wait, huh? 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:42.960 They like us. 00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:59.760 So when one of the townspeople finally demands to hear from Tom, he just stares at them in a panic and then wakes up, God knows how much longer, and he's sitting alone, the meeting's over, and he's just clutching this little expo marker. 00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:03.360 And I love what is on the board. 00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:08.719 One phrase that says, When I turn around, everyone close their eyes. 00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:12.480 Clearly, they're either all white or all black, like to the legend. 00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:14.239 So he's just like, I'm freaking out. 00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:17.519 And I'm sure, I'm sure when he wrote that on there, they all just left. 00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:19.199 They were like, We don't know what's happening. 00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:19.679 Yeah. 00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:20.400 Goodbye. 00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:20.800 Yeah. 00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:21.599 Yeah. 00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:28.079 Uh so the janitor comes in and he has a little brief interaction with a very non-verbal Tom. 00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:30.559 He leaves, and then suddenly Patricia runs in. 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:37.679 Meanwhile, back in the car with Evan and his friends, they're still getting high outside the boogeyman's house, as you do. 00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:40.639 And one of the classic Saturday. 00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:42.480 Typical Saturday night. 00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:50.000 And one of the girls sees something in the house's window, but the others just chalk it up to her being high. 00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:50.960 Which is fair. 00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:51.360 Yeah. 00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:52.400 Which is fair. 00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:58.159 Evan, who's hitting it off with one of the girls in particular, assures her that he will protect her. 00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:06.800 Uh, but picking up on this, Evan's friend, the dick, like goads him and says that, you know, whoever goes into the boogeyman's house doesn't come out. 00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:08.880 And he bet Evan won't. 00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:10.960 We get our first double dog dare. 00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:12.000 It's a dare, folks. 00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:15.119 So Evan gets out of the car and he heads for the house. 00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:20.639 I think this is a really nice contrast foil to his dad. 00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:22.400 You put this in the notes as well. 00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:22.719 Yeah. 00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:27.840 This is a direct parallel almost to Tom and his doorbell that shades.

00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:38.079 Tom comes to in the historical society now, and he's there with Wick and Patricia and Jerry, and Jerry is talking to the others about the diary excerpt. 00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:43.440 And she points out that it mentions a plague, and there was only one plague on the island. 00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:44.159 Thank God. 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:45.280 I mean, for real. 00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:48.239 That was in the year 1702. 00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:56.880 And she reveals that the page from the rectory was a missing page ripped out of Sarah Warren's diary. 00:50:57.039 --> 00:50:58.320 It's so satisfying. 00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:03.440 She just the puts it into the diary and it fits perfectly along the tear mark. 00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:05.280 It's like a very national treasure title. 00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:06.000 Yes. 00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:07.760 I could watch that movie. 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:10.400 I could always watch National Treasure. 00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:12.880 So Tom suddenly just burst out. 00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:14.079 Where am I? 00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:18.800 And you can tell that the others have reached their limit with Tom. 00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:23.440 They've probably answered the same question a thousand times. 00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:27.360 And Wick's just like, Have you seen anything yet? 00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:27.920 No. 00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:28.480 Okay. 00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:30.960 And Patricia's like, go back to your crayons. 00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:35.199 He's done the hand. 00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:38.159 Yeah, he's just done the outline of the hand. 00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:40.079 Like, I didn't even notice that. 00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:42.079 I thought he was just scribbling with the crayon. 00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:43.199 It's the hand. 00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:43.920 Profound. 00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:44.159 Yeah. 00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:45.199 Truly profound. 00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:47.360 Clearly, this means something. 00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:50.880 Maybe not in the series, but it means something. 00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:53.440 The end of Saruman problems. 00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:56.239 Well, I guess maybe in season two. 00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:57.280 We'll find out. 00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:00.639 And then Tom remembers Evan again. 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:03.280 This is his touchstone throughout his trip. 00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:05.039 And very true to life. 00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:05.599 It really is. 00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:15.039 He jumps up, he's demanding to know where Evan is, and Patricia is telling what sit like he's a dog, and then we realize he is truly being treated like a dog because he's attached to her with a dog leash. 00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:16.000 The retractable leash. 00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:18.800 I don't know why the retractable leash got me even more. 00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:26.000 I think the only thing would be better if he was wearing those little toddler retractable leashes where they have like

a little monkey or a unicorn on their back. 00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:35.039 I will say, as a dog walker, um, unless your dog is like less than 10 pounds, don't use a retractable leash. 00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:35.599 Yeah. 00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:36.320 Don't do it. 00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:37.280 Don't do it. 00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:38.559 I imagine. 00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:45.519 Um, I've gotten so many your dog wraps around your legs and uh actual rope burns from it. 00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:49.039 I've gotten to where you cannot control a dog really if they pull on that. 00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:50.480 So just a a PSA. 00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:51.280 Yeah. 00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:52.480 Thank you, Allie. 00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:54.960 Get yourself a leather or rope leash. 00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:57.440 So you're welcome. 00:52:58.000 --> 00:52:59.039 You're welcome, everybody. 00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:00.000 Thank you, Allie. 00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:02.000 Your dog walkers will thank you. 00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:04.400 So uh Tom runs away. 00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:11.679 I think he's a little stronger than Patricia, and he does what big dogs do, you know, when they decide they're gonna make a break for it. 00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:16.239 And Patricia has no uh option but to be dragged after them. 00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:20.719 And then he wakes up in the back of Rosemary's car. 00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:26.960 She's driving him home, but she says that she has to stop one place before dropping him off. 00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:30.639 And he's like, no, please take me home, please take me home. 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:36.480 And there's another loss of time cut, and then Tom wakes up in a gas station parking lot. 00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:54.480 So the doors are open, and there's a little clanging sound coming from the car, and Tom walks into the station to see what Rosemary's important errand was, which was to get scratch-off tickets, which you know, my family, my grandma that was like her outing. 00:53:54.639 --> 00:54:00.559 She would go to the gas station, get her little scratch-off tickets, get us a little scratch-off ticket, and like be like, Do you want any drinks? 00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:02.000 And then like get us a little drinks. 00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:09.039 My grandma was like so wholesome and like not like the chain-smoking grandma that you would assume, but she loved a scratch off. 00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:10.159 She loved a scratch off. 00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:10.800 That's really adorable. 00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:11.840 She loved a scratch off. 00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:15.519 She said, kids, let's get a Fanta and do a light gambling. 00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:16.400 100%. 00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:17.039 Yeah. 00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:17.840 I love it. 00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:21.280 Well, it's a good moment for Rosemary because she just won 15 bucks. 00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:24.480 Um, but she warns Tom not to move the car again. 00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:27.519 So he's already been into some sort of shenanigans. 00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:32.639 And he also finds that he clearly wrecked the entire milk section of the store. 00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:33.920 There's just spilled milk everywhere. 00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:40.719 I love this scene because there's like clearly the glass was broken out in the milk door, like the door refrigerator. 00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:46.400 And then like his loafer is just sitting in the milk, and he's like, That's my loafer. 00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:51.360 And then the guy that like works at the convenience store, he's like, No, stay away. 00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:53.119 You're not allowed back in here. 00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:56.000 And then he just starts charging this man. 00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:57.519 Oh god, I don't even remember him. 00:54:57.760 --> 00:54:58.079 You don't know. 00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:00.960 He just starts like charging, they're like, No, and then he like cuts to black again. 00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:03.360 There's so much that happens on this trip, folks. 00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:09.840 Uh, so we're now back with Evan, who is approaching the boogeyman's house. 00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:11.360 He's on his dare. 00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:21.199 And as we find out, uh, I think Evan has uh more courage, more courage than his father, because he does, in fact, open the door. 00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:25.199 And he's about to head in when suddenly there's a flood of light. 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:32.400 We get headlights from a cop car, and Bashir's voice over the loudspeaker telling him to step away from the creepy house. 00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:35.039 And he's like, thank God. 00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:36.960 All of us, truly. 00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:37.199 Yeah. 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:45.599 You know, he was courageous enough to try, but I'm sure he was uh not the least bit disappointed that uh it was prevented from happening. 00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:50.719 And yeah, I I think that maybe he's broken the cowardice curse. 00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:52.079 I think so too. 00:55:52.400 --> 00:56:00.239 And I think it's like a kind of metaphor to like him wanting to leave the island and like be brave, and he's always been more brave than his dad. 00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:01.599 And I don't know. 00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:06.480 I want to see you be brave, Evan, as the pop standard goes. 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:07.760 Right? 00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:10.400 I wanna see you, be brave. 00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:12.000 Hate that song. 00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:15.199 Like, do I know every line? 00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:15.519 Yes. 00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:16.320 Do I hate it? 00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:17.280 Absolutely. 00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:24.880 Okay, so Evan approaches Bashir and you know, he explains that he was just trying to impress some off-island girls. 00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:34.000 And when Evan begs Bashir not to tell his dad, Bashir agrees, and he kind of begrudgingly lets Evan off with a warning. 00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:41.440

Uh, and so Evan's heading back to the car, and then he doubles back and he asks if he can just yell, fuck you, Peg, for the girls. 00:56:41.679 --> 00:56:43.440 And he's like, No. 00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:47.679 But then as Evan walks away, Bashir has a little chuckle to himself. 00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:57.039 He and his friends finally pull up to Evan's house with the music blaring, only to find Tom and Rosemary standing in the driveway. 00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:01.119 Like the jig is up, you've been caught, it's not good. 00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:24.639 But the way this is like comic gold, the way that Matthew Reese puts his little hands up to like cup his eyes to look in the car, and then he just does a full perimeter of the car, drags him still in the car, and then like for Evan finally sees him, and then does the you come here. 00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:26.159 It is amazing. 00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:26.639 Yeah. 00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:32.239 What must it be like to be caught by a parent who is in the middle of a mushroom trip? 00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:34.559 I don't know what it's even like to be caught by a parent. 00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:40.239 We both were such we were not Evan Zocks for sure. 00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:49.280 I did think about the one time I actually did get in trouble with my parents though, and it was because I made a MySpace page when I was like too young and they found it. 00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.639 Actually, my neighbor found it and then like told my parents about it. 00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:53.519 Snitch. 00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:54.239 Snitch. 00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:59.360 And then my mom was just like kind of yelling at not yelling, but like a kind of yelling at me. 00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:00.079 Chastising me. 00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:02.960 Chastising me about it and like the dangers of the internet. 00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:05.519 And she was like, and who's Tom? 00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:09.360 She was like, Tom, he's your friend. 00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:10.000 Who's Tom? 00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:14.079 And I was like, Mom, is the Tom is the person who created the site? 00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:16.880 It's like always a friend because Tom is everyone's friend. 00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:18.960 And she was just, yeah, but it's like, who's Tom? 00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:21.360 Was like, you know, understandable. 00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:22.000 Yeah. 00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:27.440 I think that there's such a small segment of the population who knows who Tom on MySpace was. 00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:30.000 It's just probably our generation. 00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:40.239 Speaking of Tom's, this Tom back in Widows Bay uh marches Evan into the house, and this is where they really have it out. 00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:45.920 You know, it's been boiling for a little while, and we finally get this big father-son conflict. 00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:53.280 And Evan says that he just wants to control him to prove a point to the town, and it's not his fault that he's a shitty mayor. 00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:56.800 Shout out to our Tom's like, you're gonna regret saying that one day. 00:58:57.039 --> 00:59:01.119 Yeah, it's that's not untrue, but also the statement was not untrue. 00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:01.679 Yeah. 00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:08.639 So Evan finally asks him point blank why they never leave the island. 00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:21.840 And Tom begins saying, you know, your mother just thought it was really important that we were raised on Widows Bay, but Evan understandably is not having that because, you know, there's a difference between being raised somewhere and actually being able to visit the mainland. 00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:28.800 And Tom, who, mind you, is still in the middle of a trip, is like, you know what, we're gonna we're gonna finish this conversation later. 00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:31.119 We will talk about this in the morning. 00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:38.239 So he marches up to his room, and just as he's shutting the door, you hear Evan say that one day he's gonna leave the island and never come back. 00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:41.920 Which, well, it's kind of yeah. 00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:44.239 If you leave Evan, you might not come back. 00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:45.199 Never come back. 00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:54.400 So Tom shuts himself in his bedroom just as the island fireworks go off, and he is finally able to throw up. 00:59:55.039 --> 01:00:10.159 And after he does so, he sees a vision of his late wife who is pregnant with Evan and packing for a trip, and we see them then on the ferry together leaving the island, uh, presumably for her to give birth on the mainland. 01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:24.000 And suddenly Tom's wife can't see anything and she starts to freak out and then goes into some kind of medical crisis, and Tom screams at them to turn the ferry around. 01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:38.960 And we cut to Tom talking to a doctor just outside of his wife's hospital room, and the doctor tells him that the baby is fine, but when Tom asks about his wife, the doctor says that she'll need time to recover. 01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:45.760 And that's when we get a view inside her hospital room, and Tom's wife is not okay. 01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:47.280 She looks terrifying. 01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:52.239 She looks like me in the footage from last week's episode. 01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:53.920 Oh no, no. 01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:55.039 Dead eyes. 01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:56.320 Uh they are dead eyes. 01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:58.400 She's just staring blankly at me. 01:00:58.719 --> 01:01:00.000 I have had dead eyes. 01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:01.599 It's it's okay. 01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:02.719 It's okay. 01:01:03.199 --> 01:01:05.760 I think they're having more a week right now. 01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:10.320 We're also a little bit earlier in the morning, which I'm better with cough. 01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:11.679 I think that was the right call. 01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:15.039 So anyway, she looked like me, moving on.

01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:19.280 No, but she is she is just staring blankly ahead, Vanessa Carlton's style. 01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:32.639 And we cut back to Tom in present day, who still crouched over his bathroom toilet, and he desperately prays to God if God exists, to just help him and protect his son. 01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:38.079 And then we hear this really unsettling inhuman noise. 01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:38.400 Yeah. 01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:41.039 You put in the notes, it kind of sounds like a growl. 01:01:41.360 --> 01:01:42.880 Like a demonic like voice. 01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:46.960 Like, it sounds also, I think, like a little like didgeridoo. 01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:51.039 This very like low, like redo is correct. 01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:54.880 Uh coming from his pitch black bedroom. 01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:58.320 And then we cut to black, and that's the end of the episode. 01:01:58.719 --> 01:01:59.920 I love that one. 01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:00.719 Yeah. 01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:12.960 I feel like it is very accurate to what a trip feels like because you just have these moments where you're kind of like coming in and out, and then I feel like the ending is is really I love the way it's shot. 01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:18.719 I love that he's in his bathroom, but he's like staring through the open door to his bedroom. 01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:18.960 Yeah. 01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:24.320 And so you're getting these shots like you're seeing him see it in the bed perspective. 01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:24.880 Yeah. 01:02:25.039 --> 01:02:28.719 This is the point where we bring up the episode's horror references. 01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:30.559 I didn't shrooms. 01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:31.519 Have you seen Shrooms? 01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:32.719 No, I haven't. 01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:33.920 It's probably a good reference. 01:02:34.159 --> 01:02:35.199 Sounds like it would be a good reference. 01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:42.000 I was I put in the notes, like, I guess basically every psychedelic rock band movie made in the 60s and 70s. 01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:46.480 Yeah, Shrooms was one horror movie that I can think of. 01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:48.239 And I'm trying to think of anything else. 01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:49.679 National Treasure. 01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:53.119 Really grasping at straws. 01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:56.320 I mean, obviously, we get the Halloween reference again with the boogeyman. 01:02:57.119 --> 01:03:01.519 Um I never I never thought about this until I watched it the second time. 01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:02.880 Okay, the third time. 01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:04.239 This was my third time watching it. 01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:09.679 That it felt like he tripped for absolutely no reason. 01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:10.880 Yeah. 01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:13.199 Like it was all personal stuff that he saw. 01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:13.599 Right. 01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:18.079 But it had nothing to do with the plot, and they're all solving the plot as he's tripping. 01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:22.800 Yeah, and just kind of being a burden to them as they're trying to figure it out. 01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:25.920 Like he he got nothing, he got his hand print. 01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:32.880 Like it's just cracking me up that it's yeah, but I didn't really put it together that nothing really happens that he's solving. 01:03:33.199 --> 01:03:40.639 This didn't solve anything, but he did kind of have like an insight into himself, which I do believe that that's generally how those experiences go. 01:03:41.119 --> 01:03:41.760 No, agreed. 01:03:41.840 --> 01:03:46.320 Yeah, it worked for a completely different purpose, which was to give us as the audience more backstory. 01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:47.920 But it's such a good point, Allie. 01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:52.239 Like they would have been better off if he just didn't trip because they have figured this all out on their own. 01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:53.679 Or like comic relief. 01:03:53.760 --> 01:04:02.079 I guess if he was seeing more like white-eyed, black-eyed people, maybe, but I'm like, no, he just saw black eyes. 01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:06.320 Yeah, and it makes me wonder because I am re-watching this in real time. 01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:08.400 Oh, maybe he did get a little something. 01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:08.960 Okay. 01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:16.159 I think it could potentially be they work for the people who have the burden. 01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:17.599 Right. 01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:20.079 Because the pastor had the burden. 01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:21.920 Yeah, that's a really good point. 01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:28.639 Because I was thinking, like, I mean, technically, Tom is the next Lord Proctor of the Island. 01:04:28.719 --> 01:04:32.000 Like, he is filling the spot of Richard Warren. 01:04:32.159 --> 01:04:38.880 But that's a really good point that it seems as though this transitioned into maybe because of what happens in the next episode. 01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:41.440 Yeah, the person is not yet, right? 01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:42.320 What's that? 01:04:42.559 --> 01:04:45.440 He's not yet the person who carries the burden. 01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:46.159 Right. 01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:50.000 Like, maybe more than one person can have the burden. 01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:56.400 It's hard to talk about this without getting into the second episode because a lot of the stuff I want to say has to do with the next episode. 01:04:56.480 --> 01:05:01.119 So maybe we talk about that and then we can do a little speculating about these shrooms. 01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:01.599 Yes. 01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:10.960 And I think potentially Dale and Ruth have a very big uh like they're a big puzzle piece to the ending. 01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:15.760 So he does hear like voices around them when he's tripping. 01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:16.320 Yeah. 01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:17.679 So I don't know. 01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:18.320 Yeah. 01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:23.280 At first glimpse, it seems as though

this trip has not really achieved anything. 01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:33.760 And we're gonna be following the discovery of Wick of this journal entry in the next episode of our history. 01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:44.639 So we open up to a woman's voiceover, which announces that it is September 16th in the year of our Lord 1702. 01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:52.960 And then we cut to our narrator who is a middle-aged woman in pilgrim garb aboard a ship, writing in her diary. 01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:59.599 She writes that the journey hasn't been too rough, and she's on her way to meet her husband. 01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:04.320 She hopes that he's kind and that her heart makes room for his children. 01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:08.719 She thought her time was up on marriage because she was an old spinster. 01:06:09.039 --> 01:06:11.599 But today she will begin a new life. 01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:17.199 Today she is to marry the leader of this island, Richard Warren. 01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:19.840 I can't with the old spinster. 01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:24.239 This woman looks younger than me, potentially. 01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:24.960 Really? 01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:26.480 I think she looks her age. 01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:28.079 She's like, I think around 40. 01:06:28.159 --> 01:06:28.559 I looked it up. 01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:30.239 Betty Gilpin, I think, is like 41. 01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:32.719 So she's probably a nice actress too. 01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:33.360 I do too. 01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:37.440 I really does a great job here. 01:06:37.679 --> 01:06:41.280 Regardless, she's a relatively young and gorgeous woman. 01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:52.719 So it's a little hard to feel like that line in the Barbie movie where the narrator's like, this would be an easier point to make if it wasn't Margot Robbie playing Barbie. 01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:55.119 Just like, who wouldn't want to marry Sarah? 01:06:55.360 --> 01:06:55.679 She's true. 01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:56.400 Stunning. 01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:57.280 Yeah, I know. 01:06:57.519 --> 01:06:59.679 And also clearly has a good personality. 01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:00.719 She's a sharp woman. 01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:01.440 Maybe that was a problem. 01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:02.239 She's a little too smart. 01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:03.119 She's a little too smart. 01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:04.559 Yeah, boys don't like smart girls. 01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:12.880 So, yes, this narrator is one Sarah Westcott, who is soon to become Sarah Warren. 01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:26.320 And we cut to Sarah on the island's shore with Ali putting the notes a strapping young man who's loading his bags onto his carriage, gonna take her to where she needs to go. 01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:37.360 And she gets a little taste, I think, for the island in general talking to this man because this guy is just a big, big sycophant for Richard Warren. 01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:38.639 Up the ass. 01:07:38.800 --> 01:07:42.400 Not up the ass, but up Richard Warren's ass. 01:07:42.639 --> 01:07:43.599 Yeah, yeah. 01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:45.039 So sorry. 01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:46.639 I knew what she meant. 01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:52.320 And he tells her that the island owes a great deal to Richard Warren. 01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:57.199 The land used to be just dirt, and he's made it the island that it is today. 01:07:57.519 --> 01:08:06.159 And Sarah tries to make a little joke about Richard controlling the weather, and it just lands on a completely He's like, no. 01:08:06.400 --> 01:08:06.960 Yeah, dead. 01:08:07.360 --> 01:08:09.199 She's like, that was a joke. 01:08:09.519 --> 01:08:18.479 The carriage pulls through the town, and as it does so, we get a really nice snapshot of uh what's going on on Widows Bay in 1702. 01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:25.920 It would appear perhaps charming, except we're getting glimpses of some rather sick-looking people in the passing houses. 01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:33.920 Yeah, it's like that classic and then they close the door and it's a big red X, and we're just like, no. 01:08:34.399 --> 01:08:35.920 Not plague! No. 01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:45.119 I think that the writing direction, everything about this does a really excellent job of immediately putting herself in Sarah's possession. 01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:46.880 The stakes are really clear. 01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:53.920 I think anyone can empathize with this woman who has left her family and all her community to go to this island. 01:08:54.560 --> 01:08:55.199 Never met this man. 01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:56.239 No, never met this. 01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:01.600 Very Sarah plain and tall. 01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:03.039 Five children. 01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:06.880 Very uh sound of music in that regard when he's introducing the kids. 01:09:07.039 --> 01:09:09.840 It's like that's just like Marie and the Vontrap family children. 01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:12.560 Sorry, I'm being attacked by my own sweater fur. 01:09:14.800 --> 01:09:19.119 And uh yeah, as you say, Allie, we see like these X's on the doors. 01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:21.520 So plague has come to this place. 01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:28.960 And we cut to Sarah inside the church now with a local woman who's helping her to get ready for her wedding. 01:09:29.119 --> 01:09:33.840 And the woman tells Sarah that she's very lucky to be getting married at her age. 01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:37.359 And Sarah's just like, I I get it. 01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:39.680 I'm aware, I'm aware. 01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:46.720 And that Richard really, you know, didn't have any choice but to marry someone from the mainland because Widow's Bay was too small. 01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:48.960 The digs, dig after digs. 01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:57.600 And Sarah asks the woman if her husband to be as a good man, and then we get what you really don't want to get, which is a hesitation. 01:09:57.920 --> 01:10:01.199 She's like, and then she's interrupted. 01:10:01.439 --> 01:10:01.760 Yes. 01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:05.520 The man of

the cloth, Pastor Collins, he enters the room. 01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:17.279 And Pastor Collins says a bit ominously that she shouldn't worry because she can always come to him if she needs anything, and he will do his best to help her. 01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:21.520 This is the kind of reassurance that is way less reassuring than terrifying. 01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:25.520 More like, so you're telling me I'm gonna need to come to you. 01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:26.159 Right. 01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:27.920 Why would you say that? 01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:36.880 And he also shares that Richard wrote his own wedding vows for the ceremony, and they are unique. 01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:44.560 So we cut to the pastor reading Richard's vows as both he and Sarah stand at the altar. 01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:50.000 There are a lot of lines about love and death, which like, okay, love and death come up in vows. 01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:56.640 Like, I get it's till death do us part, but there's a lot of like love is like death. 01:10:56.880 --> 01:10:58.479 And it's like, hmm, is it? 01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:00.880 Sarah's just like, huh? 01:11:01.119 --> 01:11:03.439 Yeah, but she's just trying to make the best of this. 01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:07.119 So Richard pulls back Sarah's veil and says, I do. 01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:10.960 And at that point, we also see his face for the first time. 01:11:11.199 --> 01:11:13.520 And that's none other than Hamish Link later. 01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:14.159 Ugh. 01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:17.439 Who plays Father Paul from Midnight Mass. 01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:21.359 Which, if you haven't seen Midnight Mass, I don't have to tell you twice. 01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:23.199 No, it's Mike Flanagan. 01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:26.880 It's a great companion piece about another spooky New England island. 01:11:27.039 --> 01:11:27.359 I know. 01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:33.920 I said, I said in the notes, I think I was like, this man was like another cursed island show. 01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:35.119 Sign me up. 01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:36.399 Like, keep him coming. 01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:38.079 We will not do that without me. 01:11:38.399 --> 01:11:40.720 No, no, and he I think he does a great job. 01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:46.880 So we get to more of the uniqueness that Richard contributed to the vows. 01:11:47.439 --> 01:11:54.159 Sarah is it's this whole line about her being his help meet, and that she will be bound to him. 01:11:54.239 --> 01:12:00.960 And she will agree to serve him as Reeve Prime of the Colony, the handmaiden of the Lord Island Protector. 01:12:01.119 --> 01:12:05.119 And Sarah, who is, you know, just along for the journey, is like, sure, I do. 01:12:05.359 --> 01:12:05.840 I do. 01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:12.800 So we cut to the Warren home where Sarah meets his five children for the first time. 01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:16.319 It really is uh Maria with the Von Trapp children situation. 01:12:16.479 --> 01:12:21.359 I'm surprised that Richard just didn't pull out a little captain's whistle and start blowing on it. 01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:27.920 And she leans down to ask the youngest uh girl about her doll, Mary. 01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:34.800 And then she takes out her mother's heirloom brooch and pins it on the doll. 01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:40.000 It's like this really sweet moment until one of the other kids is like, Oh, is there one for all of us? 01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:42.960 She's like, Give a mouse a cookie. 01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:45.279 What did she say? 01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:47.840 It's something about we'll see what treasures tomorrow. 01:12:48.479 --> 01:12:48.960 Tomorrow. 01:12:49.279 --> 01:12:49.439 Yes. 01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:51.199 Sarah didn't really think this through. 01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:56.800 I think it's just a nice sort of encapsulation of her having really good intentions, but also being in over her head. 01:12:57.039 --> 01:12:58.000 Yes, yeah. 01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:08.880 And suddenly we hear the church bell ring, and Richard abruptly says that he has work to do, and he leaves Sarah to care for the children on their wedding night. 01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:10.560 Not off to a good start. 01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:11.760 She's like, huh. 01:13:12.079 --> 01:13:13.359 Is this what it's like? 01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:21.439 We cut to Sarah in her room writing in her diary that this isn't at all like the wedding night her mother told her about. 01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:24.399 She's like, I thought I'd be getting laid. 01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:26.319 Like I thought that this would be after. 01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:28.239 Yeah. 01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:29.119 Finally. 01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:31.760 The wedding night my mother promised me. 01:13:32.239 --> 01:13:33.119 Not happening. 01:13:33.279 --> 01:13:33.439 No. 01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:34.640 Not even close. 01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:37.279 Not the marriage your mother promised you, I'm sure. 01:13:37.520 --> 01:13:38.319 Not one bit. 01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:41.520 But still, Sarah's in good Puritan form. 01:13:41.680 --> 01:13:48.640 You know, you gotta suffer and look on the bright side, and craft asks us not to despair. 01:13:49.119 --> 01:13:49.600 Crass. 01:13:50.319 --> 01:13:51.359 Crass at. 01:13:52.079 --> 01:13:56.079 And she is determined to be a good wife. 01:13:56.479 --> 01:14:01.840 So mid-diary entry, Sarah is startled by a loud bang from downstairs. 01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:07.920 And she goes down and finds a possessed-looking Richard sitting in a chair in the dark. 01:14:08.159 --> 01:14:09.600 He's like, ooh. 01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:20.800 And he has cut open his hand and his bloodied palm rests beside the open cylinder he usually wears around his neck. 01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:24.079 And it's a really eerie image. 01:14:24.239 --> 01:14:28.079 His mouth is open and his eyes are open, but they're completely white. 01:14:28.319 --> 01:14:32.880 And when he comes to, he tells Sarah to leave him be. 01:14:33.199 -->

01:14:34.880 I would be like, absolutely no. 01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:36.560 No problem. 01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:37.359 You got it. 01:14:37.439 --> 01:14:37.680 No problem. 01:14:38.079 --> 01:14:40.239 I would rather not be here if you find Sir. 01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:42.319 Like, actually, get me on the boat. 01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:42.880 Please. 01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:44.239 I could just leave the island. 01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:46.720 I could just, we could pretend this never happened. 01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:52.319 And yeah, he returns to this wide-eyed trance-like state after she leaves. 01:14:52.640 --> 01:15:01.119 To cut to a daytime scene on the island where Sarah's walking around, you know, she's just trying to acquaint herself with her new home. 01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:10.399 And as she watches this sheet-covered body of one of the plague victims be buried, a woman approaches her and calls her a watcher. 01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:13.359 Whose name is not Annabelle, but Abigail. 01:15:13.520 --> 01:15:17.840 Elliot put in the notes repeatedly that this woman's name is Annabelle. 01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:21.439 And it's understandable why, because she is quite creepy, like Annabelle. 01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:28.560 I wish I could uh blame my dyslexia on this one, but it was literally uh me writing from watching it. 01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:31.119 So it wasn't from me seeing it in writing. 01:15:31.359 --> 01:15:38.720 To be fair, those are both Colonial America appropriate names that start with A and our three syllables longs. 01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:41.520 And this is what a good partnership looks like. 01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:43.359 Catherine coming to my defense. 01:15:43.520 --> 01:15:44.319 That's right. 01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:54.960 Uh yeah, so Abigail calls her a watcher, which she's basically just trying to say you're a busybody, which I find funny because it's not like Sarah is eavesdropping her spine on someone. 01:15:55.039 --> 01:15:58.960 She is just literally watching something that's happening in broad daylight in the middle of the town. 01:15:59.199 --> 01:16:02.239 But Abigail, Abigail's got kind of a rank energy. 01:16:03.119 --> 01:16:04.000 She's like, you're a watcher. 01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:05.840 Takes one to no one, Abigail. 01:16:06.159 --> 01:16:12.239 So Abigail tells her that there is a plague going around the island, as though Sarah hasn't caught up on that. 01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:17.600 And not even Abigail's husband, the town physician, can cure them. 01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:21.600 She's stone faced as she tells Sarah not to worry. 01:16:21.760 --> 01:16:24.399 Richard Warren always says the bad times will end. 01:16:24.479 --> 01:16:26.239 Uh, but she's not very convincing. 01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:26.720 Yeah. 01:16:27.119 --> 01:16:28.560 Because I think it's like more shade. 01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:32.720 She's like, Richard always says these bad times are going to end. 01:16:33.199 --> 01:16:44.720 And it's at this point

that we really start to get a vibe in the town that, you know, not everybody is quite the fangirl that the boy who first picked up, Sarah writes. 01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:54.800 That it seems as though Richard's known as this really great man who did a lot for the island in the past, but the tides are kind of turning. 01:16:56.079 --> 01:16:58.560 People are beginning to lose their faith in him. 01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:09.760 Back at the Warren House, Sarah overhears a conversation between Richard and a local townsperson named Ezra, who are discussing, of course, the plague. 01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:12.960 I imagine that is all anyone can talk about when a plague is going on. 01:17:13.279 --> 01:17:22.479 Also, I'm just like her going like to Abigail, talking so close to Abigail, I'd be like, Abigail, can you get away from me? 01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:24.560 You're the wife of the town physician. 01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:25.920 Is the town doctor? 01:17:26.079 --> 01:17:26.479 Mm-hmm. 01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:26.960 Mm-mm. 01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:29.119 No, that's a really good point. 01:17:29.359 --> 01:17:31.840 I mean, there was not six feet between them. 01:17:32.159 --> 01:17:33.920 Was germ theory a thing back then? 01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:34.640 I don't think it was. 01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:36.079 I don't think at that point, no. 01:17:36.399 --> 01:17:36.560 Yeah. 01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:40.960 I don't think that came until they were probably like, eh, we don't know why this is happening. 01:17:41.439 --> 01:17:41.760 True. 01:17:42.079 --> 01:17:45.680 But we kind of knew because they would put an X on the door that they're like, don't come too close. 01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:46.159 Yeah. 01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:52.960 So it was kind of just there was at least enough correlation that people could tell that sometimes we were a realistic person. 01:17:53.359 --> 01:17:54.720 You in fact would get sick. 01:17:54.800 --> 01:17:55.359 Yeah. 01:17:55.600 --> 01:17:58.319 They may not have known like the ins and outs of how that happened. 01:17:58.479 --> 01:18:00.960 I'm all there's no common sense back then. 01:18:01.199 --> 01:18:03.199 People are like, sneeze directly into my mouth. 01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:04.960 But that won't do anything. 01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:13.840 So um, yeah, through Ezra, we learn that this plague appears to have been brought on by a fog. 01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:21.920 And at least 20 lives have already been claimed, which I would think that's a lot by this 1702 colony standards. 01:18:22.159 --> 01:18:22.720 Yeah, oh, for sure. 01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:25.359 Uh populated islands. 01:18:25.600 --> 01:18:25.760 Yeah. 01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:37.199 So Ezra says that a townsman named Cornelius's illness started with a headache and then escalated to him gouging his wife's eyeballs out. 01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:39.760 Yeah, that's escalation. 01:18:39.920 --> 01:18:42.000 That is a bad virus. 01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:47.520 Yeah, not really a common symptom of your everyday flu or even COVID. 01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:48.079 No. 01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:56.880 Um, and we I think are beginning to realize that this seems a lot like the quote unquote plague that came over Shep in the first episode. 01:18:57.199 --> 01:18:57.520 Yes. 01:18:58.159 --> 01:19:05.920 Ezra fears that the illness has begun to take hold of its victims more rapidly, and it will soon overwhelm the entire island. 01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:11.920 And he is begging for Richard to do something, at which point Richard asks Sarah to leave the room. 01:19:12.079 --> 01:19:13.119 This is man talk. 01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:13.600 Yes. 01:19:13.920 --> 01:19:14.960 Man business. 01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:24.560 But Sarah, the uh the watcher, yeah, she's a watcher that she is, lingers on the staircase out of sight and eavesdrops on the men. 01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:29.039 And Ezra says again that Richard has to do something to stop the plague. 01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:37.279 And then he hints that Richard helped them through bad times before at the colony's inception, and he knows that Richard is powerful. 01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:42.399 He says that people say he kisses his necklace as though it were a cross. 01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:43.920 But it's not a cross. 01:19:44.239 --> 01:19:45.439 It is no cross. 01:19:45.680 --> 01:19:49.279 And then he demands to know what Richard hides in there. 01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:51.760 It is a covenant, and then he's cut off. 01:19:51.840 --> 01:19:56.159 We don't know what kind of covenant, but I think the implication is a covenant with the devil. 01:19:56.800 --> 01:20:06.319 And uh Richard is pissed off, and he throws the man to the ground and then begins to beat him mercilessly with his own cane. 01:20:06.479 --> 01:20:11.680 And a terrified Sarah runs up to her bed and hides there and pretends to be asleep. 01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:13.600 Which, you know, is so relatable. 01:20:13.680 --> 01:20:16.079 I'd be like, there's nothing I can do. 01:20:16.399 --> 01:20:16.800 I know nothing. 01:20:17.359 --> 01:20:18.560 I was asleep the entire time. 01:20:18.960 --> 01:20:22.560 I am not a watching about zero curiosity. 01:20:22.880 --> 01:20:23.279 Nope. 01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:26.399 I am but a handmaiden, I am but a helpmeet. 01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:38.880 And in the morning, a still shell shock Sarah goes into the kitchen, and like there's toppled furniture, there's signs that there was a struggle, but there's no body. 01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:55.439 However, a trapdoor has been uncovered in the kitchen, and when she pryes it open, she sees a ladder that leads down to a cellar, and there she sees Ezra's bloodied cane, the one that Richard used, presumably to murder the man. 01:20:55.680 --> 01:20:56.319 Yes. 01:20:57.039 --> 01:21:02.560 We cut to Sarah knocking on Pastor Collins's door, and she is in an absolute tizzy. 01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:17.359 This entire sequence, like Sarah's unfortunately using a

misogynistic coded word, like hysteria, is simultaneously like so understandable and scary, but also really funny. 01:21:17.600 --> 01:21:23.680 I think she plays it so well because she's on the verge of hyperventilating, and you understand why. 01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:24.000 Yeah. 01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:29.840 Obviously, her delivery borders into convenic and a way that anything is really masterfully done. 01:21:30.079 --> 01:21:30.239 Yes. 01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:33.760 She's just sobbing and like, I think I made a mistake, you know. 01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:36.399 Maybe living a single childless life isn't that bad. 01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:37.920 I could, I could do that. 01:21:38.079 --> 01:21:38.239 Yeah. 01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:39.199 Yes. 01:21:39.439 --> 01:21:42.239 And the pastor is like, You're you're not making any sense. 01:21:42.479 --> 01:21:43.119 Yes. 01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:51.840 She finally sobs back that she is filled with terror, and at last she tells him why she saw Richard murder Ezra. 01:21:52.239 --> 01:21:55.920 And Pastor Collins doesn't seem shocked by this. 01:21:56.960 --> 01:21:59.199 He just asks if there's a body. 01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:03.439 And that's when Sarah tells him about the house's cellar that she found. 01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:07.920 And finally, Pastor Collins says she has to be told the truth. 01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:10.000 You could have told me. 01:22:10.239 --> 01:22:12.560 Could have told me before I got married, but alright. 01:22:12.720 --> 01:22:15.760 Yeah, it was a real bitch-ass move, Pastor Collins. 01:22:16.079 --> 01:22:23.279 I just think that's your obligation as a man of God to warn a woman before she enters into some unholy alliance with a man you believe to be the devil. 01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:23.760 Yeah. 01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:24.560 But okay. 01:22:24.800 --> 01:22:25.039 Alright. 01:22:25.520 --> 01:22:35.199 But he tells her that evil stalks their land and there is a wrongness about he fears that the devil himself has chosen her husband. 01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:37.920 Though for what purpose he cannot say. 01:22:38.479 --> 01:22:46.960 And he then reveals that there have been many villagers at this point who have been known to go to the Warren House and never reappear. 01:22:47.119 --> 01:22:51.039 And one of those people was his wife, was his first wife. 01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:53.279 Not what you want to hear. 01:22:53.439 --> 01:22:54.000 Oh no. 01:22:54.399 --> 01:22:55.439 Not what you want to hear. 01:22:56.640 --> 01:23:28.479 And it kind of borders on the unbelievable, but I like that there's reason enough that these people are giving Richard a long leash and turning a blind eye because it seems, and we've had this hammered home in previous episodes by Jerry and the society and that little snippet of a biographical video that we watched that Richard is considered to be this eminent man who single-handedly built this colony from the dirt up. 01:23:28.640 --> 01:23:34.159 And so because he has this much respect, people are still allowing him to literally get away with murder. 01:23:34.399 --> 01:23:34.720 Yeah. 01:23:34.800 --> 01:23:42.960 Well, I mean, even the Ezra bringing up, like, we know that like there's something you're doing. 01:23:43.199 --> 01:23:45.760 It might be evil, but we know how powerful you are. 01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:51.680 And I think they're probably all like, we're also not gonna be at a good match, like, we're not gonna match his power. 01:23:51.920 --> 01:23:52.319 Exactly. 01:23:52.399 --> 01:23:59.439 You have to do what we soon find Pastor Collins has been doing, which is sort of gathering a little secret society to conspire in the shadows. 01:23:59.920 --> 01:24:05.600 Uh Sarah wants off the island, and she doesn't she do like, make haste. 01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:09.279 She does something like that, and it makes me laugh really hard. 01:24:09.600 --> 01:24:13.279 And she's like crashing out, and she's like, we must do something, make haste. 01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:15.199 Yeah. 01:24:15.439 --> 01:24:16.000 Please. 01:24:16.159 --> 01:24:18.319 She wants her spinster life back. 01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:21.680 She was okay being an unmarried woman. 01:24:22.079 --> 01:24:25.520 She was like, Yes, it was heavy on my father's pockets, but please. 01:24:26.239 --> 01:24:27.119 It'll be fine. 01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:32.319 But Pastor Collins insists that God has chosen her for a special purpose. 01:24:32.640 --> 01:24:33.680 Easy for you to say. 01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:34.079 Yeah. 01:24:34.399 --> 01:24:36.319 Easy for you to say Pastor Collins. 01:24:36.640 --> 01:24:40.479 And it's so funny because at this point I had to ask. 01:24:40.640 --> 01:24:46.720 I think this is like a very specific experience that I had growing up as an evangelical kid. 01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:50.479 But very famously, I think this even really hit the mainstream. 01:24:50.640 --> 01:24:53.279 The book, The Purpose-Driven Life, by Rick Warren. 01:24:53.359 --> 01:24:54.880 His name's Richard Warren. 01:24:55.119 --> 01:24:57.920 And I Wait, what? 01:24:58.560 --> 01:25:00.960 It was this really big book. 01:25:01.199 --> 01:25:05.439 I was wondering why the name Richard Warren sounded like so familiar. 01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:12.239 He goes by Rick Warren, but I just couldn't help but wonder with all this talk of like God choosing you for a purpose. 01:25:12.399 --> 01:25:15.119 And the man's name being it's probably coincidence. 01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:19.359 Richard Warren's a pretty common name, but every time I see it, I laugh a little to myself. 01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:21.359 Oh my gosh, I'm being attacked by fuzz. 01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:26.720 I really, really enjoy the sweater, but um it might need to have a little shave. 01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:29.279 It might be getting in my mouth and on my face. 01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:31.359 I really am so sorry for this burden. 01:25:32.079 --> 01:25:32.399 It's okay. 01:25:32.560

--> 01:25:33.119 We all have a burden. 01:25:36.239 --> 01:25:44.800 So according to Pastor Collins, who has all kind of just figured this out for himself, God's plan for Sarah is to help him and his allies. 01:25:45.119 --> 01:25:52.399 He tells her to leave the Warren's door unlocked that night so he and his buddies can do what must be done. 01:25:52.720 --> 01:25:54.560 Which I would say absolutely. 01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:55.199 Yeah. 01:25:55.520 --> 01:25:56.079 Absolutely. 01:25:57.119 --> 01:25:58.640 I know I I don't know this man. 01:25:58.800 --> 01:26:00.479 This man, I'm sorry to this man. 01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:11.760 I would, you know, I don't know if this would be dumb of me, but I'd be like, give it a week because she's just arrived, and I want to like really be sure I had a good grasp on the situation. 01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:12.800 No, a hundred percent. 01:26:13.119 --> 01:26:16.079 Like, what if Ezra and Pastor Collins are the bad guys, you know? 01:26:16.239 --> 01:26:17.199 Like you're just gonna be a big thing. 01:26:17.359 --> 01:26:18.640 You just murdered immediately. 01:26:18.960 --> 01:26:21.439 You just watched your husband murder someone in your own home. 01:26:21.600 --> 01:26:22.800 Where's the body? 01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:27.760 He mur Well, he beat him either half to death. 01:26:29.039 --> 01:26:31.279 Like, not not you defending the men. 01:26:31.520 --> 01:26:33.119 I would just be like, the door is unlocked. 01:26:33.439 --> 01:26:34.640 No, I'm not defending the men. 01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:39.920 There's two men in this situation, and I'm not generally inclined to believe the pastor, first and foremost. 01:26:40.079 --> 01:26:47.760 So I just I just going straight from like this is freaking me out to please come and murder my husband. 01:26:48.159 --> 01:26:51.520 Oh no, no, I would go straight to come please come and murder my husband. 01:26:51.760 --> 01:27:00.000 But I guess she did see him look possessed, and I think at this point I would believe as a Puritan woman that like my husband had made a deal with the devil. 01:27:00.159 --> 01:27:01.279 So fair enough. 01:27:01.520 --> 01:27:06.000 And back at the Warren House, the family's all having dinner. 01:27:06.239 --> 01:27:09.840 Uh, but it's not really a cozy No, definitely not cozy. 01:27:10.479 --> 01:27:10.720 Yeah. 01:27:10.960 --> 01:27:12.800 We're not getting no Norman Rockwell here. 01:27:12.960 --> 01:27:17.920 Yeah, we're not getting the sound of music, we're not getting the Brady Bunch, it's not happening. 01:27:18.159 --> 01:27:18.399 No. 01:27:18.640 --> 01:27:25.600 Richard is is going on a sort of paranoid rant about how all the townspeople have turned against him. 01:27:25.840 --> 01:27:27.279 And not wrong. 01:27:27.520 --> 01:27:31.520 No, that is a correct read of the situation. 01:27:32.159 --> 01:27:36.800 And Sarah tries to calm him down by saying, you know, they're just scared about the disappearances. 01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:39.279 And it becomes immediately clear that she should not have said that. 01:27:39.600 --> 01:27:41.680 It's like what disappearances? 01:27:41.920 --> 01:27:46.720 And she backtracks into I think every woman's defense, which is like, oh nothing. 01:27:46.800 --> 01:27:47.520 I'm just a stupid woman. 01:27:47.600 --> 01:27:48.319 I don't know what I'm talking about. 01:27:48.560 --> 01:27:50.960 She's like, I don't know what the words come out of my mouth. 01:27:51.119 --> 01:27:52.319 I have no idea. 01:27:52.720 --> 01:27:56.319 And Richard tells her to take the children upstairs. 01:27:56.640 --> 01:27:57.279 Gladly. 01:27:57.439 --> 01:27:57.840 Yes. 01:27:58.000 --> 01:27:59.760 And once she does so, we see her. 01:28:00.479 --> 01:28:01.680 Unlock the front door. 01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:03.039 The die is cast. 01:28:03.680 --> 01:28:19.920 So we cut to Sarah and Richard in bed in the dark where she is lying wide awake and the bedroom door cracks open and a hooded figure approaches the bed and lifts the knife up over her. 01:28:20.319 --> 01:28:26.880 And she's like it's such a great moment because she just emphatically points next to her. 01:28:27.119 --> 01:28:27.920 And he's like, oh. 01:28:28.640 --> 01:28:29.920 Wrong person, buddy. 01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:35.279 Then once he does position himself over Richard, he begins to stab him. 01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:38.560 And Sarah races out of the room and down the stairs. 01:28:38.640 --> 01:28:44.560 She hears a thud and footsteps above, and then all of a sudden a body falls down the stairs. 01:28:45.119 --> 01:28:46.960 But it's not Richard. 01:28:47.920 --> 01:28:49.760 It is Richard's assassin. 01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:57.920 A bloody Richard comes down the stairs and tells Sarah that she must not leave the house again and that he will protect her. 01:28:58.159 --> 01:28:58.800 Oh god. 01:28:59.199 --> 01:29:05.279 He has this really I have written it down word for word because it's such a like metal little pilgrim speech. 01:29:05.359 --> 01:29:07.279 He says, Let no fear take hold. 01:29:07.439 --> 01:29:10.239 I will unearth the one who bears this guilt. 01:29:10.399 --> 01:29:14.640 None may hide forever on an island where there is no way out. 01:29:14.960 --> 01:29:18.640 And she's like, I am the one who knocks. 01:29:20.479 --> 01:29:37.279 And I think it is a really I mean it's why island settings are so excellent for scenarios like this, from Lost to Midnight Mass to this very uh episode, because it does give you this sense of claustrophobia and the ability to call for help. 01:29:37.359 --> 01:29:40.079 Like you are cut off from the rest of society. 01:29:40.239 --> 01:29:46.720 And there was something about that final line on an island, there is no way out that reminded me of Alien. 01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:48.800 Like in space, no one can hear you scream. 01:29:49.119 --> 01:29:49.359 Yeah. 01:29:49.600 --> 01:29:57.039 And it is a really similar situation where you can just

watch the walls close in on Sarah. 01:29:57.279 --> 01:30:01.439 And then he sends Sarah to her room and tells her to pray. 01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:05.920 And boy, does Sarah pray before screaming into a pillow. 01:30:06.159 --> 01:30:06.399 Yeah. 01:30:06.560 --> 01:30:08.000 The woman experience. 01:30:08.239 --> 01:30:09.279 Every day. 01:30:09.600 --> 01:30:10.239 Every woman. 01:30:10.560 --> 01:30:13.359 I say a little pen, then I scream into a pillow. 01:30:15.039 --> 01:30:24.560 The next morning, Sarah tries to find a way out of the Warren House, uh, but the door is chained shut and the windows are all boarded up. 01:30:24.880 --> 01:30:25.359 A nightmare. 01:30:25.600 --> 01:30:27.920 She didn't even have to be uh contained on the island. 01:30:28.000 --> 01:30:29.279 She's contained within this house. 01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:29.840 Yes. 01:30:30.079 --> 01:30:31.199 So she's desperate. 01:30:31.279 --> 01:30:34.560 She climbs down into the cellar through the kitchen trapdoor. 01:30:34.880 --> 01:30:43.279 And the cellar, it turns out, gives way to a tunnel, which she walks through until she finds another door. 01:30:43.520 --> 01:30:45.119 Yeah, it's giving barbarian. 01:30:45.359 --> 01:30:46.720 Yeah, very much so. 01:30:47.199 --> 01:30:48.000 Come on, watch it again. 01:30:48.159 --> 01:30:48.960 Yeah, I do too. 01:30:49.199 --> 01:30:52.159 We've talked about wanting to do a whole series on Zack Krager films. 01:30:52.479 --> 01:30:54.800 Still have to see uh Resident Evil. 01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:55.119 Yes. 01:30:55.199 --> 01:30:56.159 Yeah, I'm so excited. 01:30:56.399 --> 01:30:57.520 Watch this space. 01:30:58.159 --> 01:31:05.279 When Sarah opens the door, we see the same room that we saw at the end of the very first episode. 01:31:05.439 --> 01:31:09.600 There's a single chair facing two large metal doors. 01:31:09.760 --> 01:31:12.000 And Sarah immediately nopes out of there. 01:31:12.159 --> 01:31:15.039 She says, nothing good is gonna happen in this room. 01:31:15.279 --> 01:31:22.479 And she heads down like a different part of the tunnel and heads up another ladder, which leads her out of the town well. 01:31:22.640 --> 01:31:35.600 And so we're finally getting some geography points created because this looks exactly like the well slash creepy opening that Reverend Bryce discovered in the forest in an earlier episode. 01:31:36.159 --> 01:31:36.479 Okay. 01:31:36.640 --> 01:31:36.880 Yeah. 01:31:36.960 --> 01:31:38.880 I mean, that's I think what we're supposed to assume. 01:31:39.439 --> 01:31:40.079 Totally. 01:31:40.479 --> 01:31:45.119 So Sarah runs to the church to tell the pastor that Richard is still alive. 01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:46.239 It is such a great moment. 01:31:46.399 --> 01:31:51.439 It's again this moment where her panic is scary and warranted and also hysterical. 01:31:51.600 --> 01:31:51.840 Yes. 01:31:52.800 --> 01:31:53.600 Burst in the church. 01:31:53.760 --> 01:31:54.960 He's like, hey Sarah. 01:31:55.680 --> 01:31:57.680 And the pastor's like, We know. 01:31:57.920 --> 01:31:59.600 Well, she finds out that he's not alone. 01:31:59.680 --> 01:32:01.439 He's meeting with a whole group of people. 01:32:01.760 --> 01:32:03.520 Like, oh, this is awkward. 01:32:03.840 --> 01:32:06.079 He assures her that she can trust all these people. 01:32:06.239 --> 01:32:08.000 They're co-conspirators with him. 01:32:08.159 --> 01:32:08.479 Yeah. 01:32:08.800 --> 01:32:15.199 Sarah tells all the people gathered there that she saw Richard be stabbed, but he didn't die. 01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:19.119 And she says, he is not consorting with the devil. 01:32:19.279 --> 01:32:20.399 He is the devil. 01:32:20.560 --> 01:32:20.720 Fair. 01:32:21.039 --> 01:32:21.520 She is convinced. 01:32:22.159 --> 01:32:23.600 You know, if I saw that, I'd be late. 01:32:23.760 --> 01:32:24.000 Yeah. 01:32:24.159 --> 01:32:24.399 Yeah. 01:32:24.560 --> 01:32:26.399 I believe that he was himself. 01:32:27.039 --> 01:32:33.359 So the pastor informs Sarah that there is a ship coming that night to take her back home to the mainland. 01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:40.399 But first, she must return home and pour a poison she's been given into Richard's drink. 01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:44.239 And when he drinks it, he will be as helpless as a babe. 01:32:44.720 --> 01:32:48.319 I would just be like, if stabbed don't work. 01:32:48.720 --> 01:32:54.159 I like I don't actually know that that's true because I literally saw the man be stabbed and he was unharmed. 01:32:54.239 --> 01:32:56.000 So why would I think that a poison would work? 01:32:56.239 --> 01:32:57.359 Yeah, agreed. 01:32:57.600 --> 01:32:58.319 But that's the plan. 01:32:58.479 --> 01:32:59.279 That's what they want to do. 01:32:59.439 --> 01:33:02.079 So Sarah balks at the idea of going home. 01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:02.640 Mm-hmm. 01:33:03.039 --> 01:33:11.840 I would too, but Pastor Collins insists that she herself said Richard must be stopped and she bears the burden now as well. 01:33:12.479 --> 01:33:16.079 She is their only hope against this darkness. 01:33:16.319 --> 01:33:18.239 I would just be like, you can't do it. 01:33:18.399 --> 01:33:25.520 Like, I can't go get the kids and like go through the tunnel and then like I'll handle the kids and you handle him. 01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:28.640 Which is kind of the idea of what's gonna happen. 01:33:28.960 --> 01:33:30.880 But still having to put the poison. 01:33:31.359 --> 01:33:35.760 It's a very, very heavy burden that they have placed upon this poor woman. 01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:41.199 There continues to be this air of horror and comedy, like despite the gravity of the situation. 01:33:41.279 --> 01:33:42.720 It's like a really funny scene. 01:33:42.880 --> 01:33:46.560 At one point, one of the people says, consider the welfare of your children. 01:33:46.640 --> 01:33:49.520 And she's like, My children, I have but just met them. 01:33:49.920 --> 01:33:50.399 Yes, yes.

01:33:50.640 --> 01:33:51.520 Like, fuck these kids. 01:33:51.680 --> 01:33:52.880 Yeah, no, for real. 01:33:53.279 --> 01:33:55.039 Uh and I feel like they creep me out. 01:33:55.199 --> 01:33:55.600 I don't know. 01:33:55.680 --> 01:34:00.880 I'll take maybe the youngest girl, but yeah, she's like, her and her little doll marry that's fine. 01:34:01.279 --> 01:34:02.640 Literally devil spawn. 01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:04.479 Like, I don't know. 01:34:05.119 --> 01:34:08.720 But at last the others do persuade Sarah to return home. 01:34:08.880 --> 01:34:15.760 And we cut to her back of the house, writing in her diary, and it's a familiar entry. 01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:21.680 It's the very same page, in fact, that Wick found in the previous episode. 01:34:22.319 --> 01:34:31.840 And as she's writing the final lines, Richard appears in her doorway and she schools her face into this class of little smile. 01:34:32.880 --> 01:34:36.159 This is where she writes the line about how everything was in jail. 01:34:36.479 --> 01:34:37.279 She's so funny. 01:34:37.439 --> 01:34:40.000 She was just joking about her imminent death. 01:34:41.439 --> 01:34:47.119 And Richard comes into the bedroom and asks what she's writing in that uh little book of hers. 01:34:47.359 --> 01:34:50.560 She's like, silly thoughts from a silly woman. 01:34:50.800 --> 01:34:52.560 She's like, Don't worry about that. 01:34:52.880 --> 01:34:57.520 But Richard, unfortunately, is determined to read what's in this book. 01:34:57.600 --> 01:34:59.920 So he grabs it from her and exits the room. 01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:02.640 So we've kind of got a ticking time bomb. 01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:05.760 At some point, he's gonna realize that she's on to him. 01:35:05.920 --> 01:35:06.319 Mm-hmm. 01:35:07.199 --> 01:35:18.399 So we cut to the Warren family back at the dining room table, and we see Sarah pour the poison into Richard's brandy glass and give it to him, telling him that it will ease his mind. 01:35:18.720 --> 01:35:21.520 And of course, he's like, I need to be sharp tonight. 01:35:21.680 --> 01:35:23.119 Yeah as he's reading the diary. 01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:29.039 And I would just be like, Ain't that just not the time, Richard? 01:35:29.600 --> 01:35:34.159 And that is when we see, yes, that he is still reading Sarah's diary. 01:35:35.199 --> 01:35:38.159 And she has to move to a different tactic. 01:35:38.479 --> 01:35:42.560 So she excuses the children and says that she needs to talk with him in private. 01:35:42.960 --> 01:35:49.279 And then tells Richard, you know, if all the town is against you, then you need your wife by your side. 01:35:49.520 --> 01:35:54.319 And then she attempts to seduce Richard and convince him to drink the brandy. 01:35:54.560 --> 01:35:56.319 That seems like maybe it's working. 01:35:56.479 --> 01:35:57.039 It's working. 01:35:57.199 --> 01:35:57.680 Yeah. 01:35:58.079 --> 01:36:00.319 And she pours some into his mouth. 01:36:00.640 --> 01:36:05.279 He drinks some, and then he's like pours some into her mouth. 01:36:06.079 --> 01:36:11.039 And the way she spits it back into the cup is like so hilarious. 01:36:11.119 --> 01:36:14.560 She's like, And you can see in her eyes that she knows. 01:36:14.720 --> 01:36:15.760 She's like, damn it. 01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:17.359 There's really no other option though. 01:36:17.600 --> 01:36:19.439 What sins have you done, woman? 01:36:19.680 --> 01:36:20.640 So the jig is up. 01:36:20.720 --> 01:36:20.880 Yeah. 01:36:21.039 --> 01:36:23.840 Richard knows something's going on. 01:36:24.159 --> 01:36:27.680 And he calls her a traitress and begins to choke her. 01:36:27.840 --> 01:36:37.199 Uh, but as he's choking Sarah, his oldest son comes in behind him and knocks him out with a log of wood and tells Sarah Richard killed his mother. 01:36:37.359 --> 01:36:38.319 Oh, I love that moment. 01:36:38.880 --> 01:36:39.439 She's like, yo. 01:36:40.079 --> 01:36:40.720 Yeah. 01:36:41.199 --> 01:36:44.000 So Sarah tells him to gather his siblings. 01:36:44.159 --> 01:36:45.840 They are getting out of here. 01:36:46.159 --> 01:36:46.720 Time to run. 01:36:46.960 --> 01:36:51.039 So Sarah and the children flee the house, and Sarah takes him to the dock. 01:36:51.119 --> 01:36:57.760 And there she sees that the ship that was meant to transport her to the mainland has already left. 01:36:58.319 --> 01:36:58.960 I can't. 01:36:59.039 --> 01:37:00.640 That's the moment I would be like, really? 01:37:01.359 --> 01:37:01.760 Really? 01:37:02.000 --> 01:37:02.399 Really? 01:37:02.720 --> 01:37:03.359 After all that. 01:37:03.760 --> 01:37:05.039 Did they say I was coming? 01:37:05.199 --> 01:37:05.520 Like. 01:37:06.079 --> 01:37:12.239 Yeah, I think that we are kind of left to question if this was done on purpose, if maybe they never intended for her to leave the island. 01:37:12.640 --> 01:37:15.279 They were like, we never thought you'd survive poisoning him. 01:37:15.600 --> 01:37:16.560 So oh. 01:37:18.319 --> 01:37:20.239 But she will not be deterred. 01:37:20.319 --> 01:37:35.600 She spots a rowboat and loads the children onto the rowboat, but before they can take off, she's confronted by Abigail, the physician's wife, who is covered in blood and uh looking a little plaguey. 01:37:35.760 --> 01:37:36.239 Yeah. 01:37:36.560 --> 01:37:38.800 And uh Sarah's like, don't come closer. 01:37:39.039 --> 01:37:40.079 I'd be like, please. 01:37:40.399 --> 01:37:42.720 Now now Sarah says don't come closer. 01:37:43.279 --> 01:37:47.279 And Abigail really wants to get on that boat, but Sarah's like, sorry, it's all full. 01:37:47.439 --> 01:37:48.720 Uh can't help you. 01:37:48.960 --> 01:37:49.439 So sorry. 01:37:49.680 --> 01:37:50.159 Full capacity. 01:37:51.359 --> 01:37:58.079 And uh Abigail, it's one of those things where I'm like, is this just because Abigail's affected by the plague, or she really is this terrible of a person? 01:37:58.159 --> 01:38:00.800 She's like, well,

they're not your kids, so uh probably kids off of that. 01:38:01.199 --> 01:38:03.359 Probably this just terrible, terrible. 01:38:03.680 --> 01:38:10.960 But when she tries to approach, she charges at Sarah, and Sarah takes her out with that or whacks her. 01:38:11.279 --> 01:38:17.920 So we then cut to Richard, who has been tied up outside by the townspeople and Pastor Collins. 01:38:18.880 --> 01:38:24.479 And Pastor Collins reaches out to take the cylinder necklace off of Richard. 01:38:24.640 --> 01:38:29.119 Uh, but he says, no, it doesn't want you to open it. 01:38:29.760 --> 01:38:32.319 And uh when the pastor asks, like, uh what's it? 01:38:32.560 --> 01:38:34.720 Who exactly, what exactly is it? 01:38:35.600 --> 01:38:41.760 Richard replies very seriously that the cylinder is what is keeping them alive. 01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:45.039 It is not the devil, it is their God. 01:38:45.760 --> 01:38:48.319 And it is his burden to carry. 01:38:49.199 --> 01:38:51.680 So the townspeople are like, that's weird, Richard. 01:38:51.760 --> 01:39:01.119 And they put him in a coffin to bury him alive because since it's been established that not even death by stabbing will get him, this is the only solution they have left. 01:39:01.680 --> 01:39:06.560 And he screams at them, revealing that he made a pact. 01:39:06.800 --> 01:39:12.239 And it was this pact that spared the colony their first harsh winter. 01:39:12.720 --> 01:39:17.600 It spoke to him through the mushrooms, and it must be honored. 01:39:18.560 --> 01:39:23.840 Uh, so it's kind of implied that whatever this pact is, clearly it's a sinister one. 01:39:23.920 --> 01:39:24.880 We don't know with whom. 01:39:25.199 --> 01:39:28.640 Why did I miss the whole thing that he was the one that ate the mushrooms? 01:39:28.800 --> 01:39:29.039 Yes. 01:39:29.119 --> 01:39:31.439 So this is my third time watching it. 01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:35.279 I figured you had because I didn't, it wasn't in the details. 01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:37.760 And I was like, it's kind of important, actually. 01:39:38.079 --> 01:39:40.960 It's because your wife did not even didn't register. 01:39:41.199 --> 01:39:44.159 This is why the two of us combined, hopefully. 01:39:44.960 --> 01:39:47.039 Up to you listeners, if we missed stuff. 01:39:47.359 --> 01:39:48.159 One brain. 01:39:48.399 --> 01:39:49.199 I'm just kidding. 01:39:50.800 --> 01:39:55.039 Um, so yeah, he's the guy at the very beginning of what to expect on your trip. 01:39:55.359 --> 01:39:59.680 Okay, who is going through the forest and he saw all this in the mushrooms. 01:39:59.920 --> 01:40:02.159 The way I feel right now about last night's pasta. 01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:03.520 I need that pasta right now. 01:40:03.840 --> 01:40:04.479 We need it. 01:40:04.640 --> 01:40:09.279 Um we're having technical difficulties, and so we just need to get get through it. 01:40:09.359 --> 01:40:12.560 You might, if you're watching the video, we went dark a little bit. 01:40:12.800 --> 01:40:13.119 Yeah. 01:40:13.359 --> 01:40:13.680 Sorry. 01:40:13.840 --> 01:40:16.159 It's a miracle we even have footage, honestly. 01:40:17.520 --> 01:40:20.560 That was our tribulation, but their tribulation was a harsh winter. 01:40:20.640 --> 01:40:33.439 And you know, I do really love this idea about this pact because I think notoriously when the pilgrims first came to America, they did have some extremely harsh winters. 01:40:33.760 --> 01:40:40.720 There were a lot of people who were just like completely taken out and they died of hunger or disease. 01:40:41.119 --> 01:40:53.520 Well, colonies went missing, like it just feels really true to life that this was like a period when we were kind of having, I think it was even like a mini ice age, and it was like brutal, brutal winters. 01:40:53.840 --> 01:41:00.960 Like, can you imagine you're on an island, so you're not even getting animals that are coming, like that you can hunt from different territories. 01:41:01.600 --> 01:41:07.439 Yeah, like you just very limited supply of ways to uh keep yourself well and fed. 01:41:07.600 --> 01:41:18.479 So I just really like this as a setup because it does feel like a really realistic reason why uh someone might uh make a pact with an unknown entity after eating some shrooms on the island. 01:41:18.720 --> 01:41:19.119 Definitely. 01:41:19.279 --> 01:41:27.680 Richard explains that to keep the island safe, they must sacrifice a life for a life, and only that will end the plague. 01:41:27.840 --> 01:41:33.600 And I can't tell if he says a life for a life or a life for life, just in general. 01:41:33.840 --> 01:41:39.119 Uh, but regardless, it's clear that like some people have to be sacrificed for the whole island. 01:41:39.439 --> 01:41:43.359 Well, and you're kind of realizing, okay, he has actually done all this to keep people alive. 01:41:43.600 --> 01:41:48.960 Yeah, that is and he well, no one he like really cares about his children in this last. 01:41:49.520 --> 01:41:51.359 Yeah, no, no, it's like he's like, no. 01:41:51.680 --> 01:41:57.760 We do get a little bit of a reversal, like you said, when you realize, like, oh, I guess like in a misguided way. 01:41:57.920 --> 01:42:01.039 My like, oh, is about like, well, I don't know about the ethics. 01:42:01.199 --> 01:42:01.439 Yeah. 01:42:01.600 --> 01:42:04.640 I don't know about the uh and justifying the meme. 01:42:04.880 --> 01:42:06.640 It's very utilitarianism, right? 01:42:06.800 --> 01:42:07.039 Right. 01:42:07.119 --> 01:42:09.039 Like there's there's there's issues with that. 01:42:09.359 --> 01:42:25.840 Well, and it's the introduction of the age-old trolley problem, which we will come face to face with again at a later episode, but it's clear to Richard at least that he has decided, no, you know what, it's worth sacrificing a few people for the betterment of the whole colony. 01:42:26.479 --> 01:42:33.840 And so I feel like his him killing Ezra just seemed out of

like being paranoid and mad. 01:42:34.399 --> 01:42:38.159 Well, it's interesting because Did he invite him over for dinner to kill him? 01:42:38.399 --> 01:42:41.760 The church bell rings before that, like the night before after their wedding. 01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:45.199 So we don't know if he's brought them to sacrifice him. 01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:47.359 Okay, yeah, and we'll get more into detail on that. 01:42:47.600 --> 01:42:48.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:42:48.239 --> 01:42:48.960 In a different episode. 01:42:49.279 --> 01:42:49.680 For sure. 01:42:49.760 --> 01:42:55.920 Uh, but we're definitely opening a whole subject to be delved into. 01:42:56.319 --> 01:43:06.239 So yeah, like you said, we kind of because I think it's been set up as though like Richard was this great leader and now he's devolved into madness and he's power hungry, and that's why he's killing everyone. 01:43:06.319 --> 01:43:15.359 But we find out no, he's just continued to still try to be the Lord protector, and he's just killing other people to keep the island okay, to keep his kids okay. 01:43:15.680 --> 01:43:25.840 He begs for them to keep his children safe, and that is when Pastor Collins says that Sarah is already leaving the island with his children. 01:43:26.079 --> 01:43:28.640 So I guess he did expect them to actually get on the boat. 01:43:28.880 --> 01:43:29.199 Oh, yeah. 01:43:29.279 --> 01:43:30.079 No, that's a good point. 01:43:30.239 --> 01:43:30.800 That is a good point. 01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:37.680 The boat captain just said they were just like, whoa, it was like that fairy captain in the first episode who said, Fog coming in, I'm leaving. 01:43:37.760 --> 01:43:39.359 I know it's called the 11 a.m. 01:43:39.439 --> 01:43:41.439 Ferry, but we're leaving at nine. 01:43:41.840 --> 01:43:52.479 So Richard, when he is told this, is horrified and he screams for them to stop Sarah because the island will not let his children leave. 01:43:52.640 --> 01:43:53.920 It will kill them all. 01:43:54.079 --> 01:43:55.680 Uh, but the townspeople don't listen. 01:43:55.760 --> 01:43:57.199 They're just dead settled on burying him. 01:43:57.760 --> 01:43:58.560 Bury the man. 01:43:58.720 --> 01:44:03.439 They go on putting him down into his grave as he screams, you'll kill them all. 01:44:04.960 --> 01:44:11.359 So we cut back to Sarah in the rowboat rowing the children away on the ocean, and we begin to wonder, oh no. 01:44:11.680 --> 01:44:13.039 Are they going to die? 01:44:13.279 --> 01:44:15.199 What fate might await them? 01:44:15.520 --> 01:44:21.520 And could it be the little girl in one of those portraits reaching out of the Yeah? 01:44:21.600 --> 01:44:31.920 I think that anyone, especially if you've been watching these in quick succession, will probably clock that this is perhaps a scene from the painting that Tom saw in Blackwater in in episode two. 01:44:32.319 --> 01:44:32.640 Yeah. 01:44:34.079 --> 01:44:40.960 So then we cut to black and the sound of

Richard's labored breathing in the coffin. 01:44:42.079 --> 01:44:48.159 And then at last we cut back to present day, where Wick is digging up a grave. 01:44:48.319 --> 01:44:52.159 And I'll give you 10 guesses as to whose grave that is. 01:44:52.239 --> 01:44:53.680 And the first nine don't count. 01:44:53.840 --> 01:44:57.439 Uh yes, Wick is digging up Richard Warren. 01:44:57.920 --> 01:45:02.560 And suddenly he hits wood with his shovel and yells, I got it. 01:45:02.960 --> 01:45:09.680 And then we see Tom and Patricia approach him from the truck and peer down into the grave. 01:45:10.319 --> 01:45:12.079 And then the screen goes black. 01:45:12.399 --> 01:45:13.600 And that's the episode. 01:45:14.079 --> 01:45:14.560 I love that. 01:45:14.640 --> 01:45:15.840 It's giving the witch. 01:45:16.479 --> 01:45:19.039 Yeah, well, this is a perfect segue into the horror references. 01:45:19.279 --> 01:45:19.439 Yeah. 01:45:19.600 --> 01:45:20.960 He was getting major witch vibes. 01:45:21.199 --> 01:45:22.720 I was getting in the village. 01:45:25.680 --> 01:45:27.199 Mind meld, mind meld. 01:45:27.520 --> 01:45:28.159 Did you even write it down? 01:45:28.399 --> 01:45:29.920 I did, but I know you haven't seen. 01:45:30.399 --> 01:45:31.039 Yeah. 01:45:31.760 --> 01:45:32.319 I don't know. 01:45:32.399 --> 01:45:34.079 Can you think of any other references? 01:45:35.039 --> 01:45:39.680 Unless we always love hearing from you all, so please feel free to write in with your own. 01:45:39.920 --> 01:45:41.680 I mean, it's giving midnight mass. 01:45:42.079 --> 01:45:42.640 Yeah. 01:45:43.359 --> 01:45:44.800 Perhaps because of time period. 01:45:45.520 --> 01:45:50.000 No, it's just it's kind of giving midnight mass. 01:45:50.159 --> 01:45:52.239 Yeah, things are kind of popping off at this point. 01:45:52.560 --> 01:45:54.319 There's mass death on the island. 01:45:54.640 --> 01:45:56.319 There's someone who's like, yeah. 01:45:56.560 --> 01:45:57.119 Yeah. 01:45:57.439 --> 01:45:57.840 A little bit. 01:45:58.079 --> 01:45:59.600 Maybe it's the fact that he's in it. 01:46:00.079 --> 01:46:03.279 But I love a lovely little colonial horror. 01:46:03.439 --> 01:46:04.319 I love it. 01:46:04.640 --> 01:46:05.279 Mmm. 01:46:05.680 --> 01:46:06.880 And so that's it. 01:46:07.039 --> 01:46:10.560 That is what to expect from your trip in our history. 01:46:10.800 --> 01:46:15.199 I feel like a broken, boring record talking about how like I just love these episodes. 01:46:15.359 --> 01:46:27.920 But I really appreciate how all of these can be different in subject matter and uh all have like a very different arc, but they all continue to be consistently great. 01:46:28.159 --> 01:46:28.960 And funny. 01:46:29.199 --> 01:46:30.159 And funny. 01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:31.600 So funny. 01:46:31.760 --> 01:46:35.039 I think Betty Hilpin was a really good get for this episode. 01:46:35.119 --> 01:46:37.680 I think she does such a good job of walking that line. 01:46:37.920 --> 01:46:41.680 Yeah, and I think this one was kind of a different kind of fear. 01:46:41.920 --> 01:46:45.439 It was very much like the fear of being a trapped wife. 01:46:46.239 --> 01:46:46.640 Truly. 01:46:46.880 --> 01:46:48.399 The real fear of perennials. 01:46:49.119 --> 01:46:53.439 It may take place in the 1700s, but yeah. 01:46:54.720 --> 01:46:56.720 Well, Ali, any closing thoughts? 01:46:56.880 --> 01:46:58.880 Anything else that you'd like to say about these episodes? 01:46:59.119 --> 01:46:59.920 I love the show. 01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:01.039 I know we talk about it. 01:47:01.119 --> 01:47:02.960 I'm like, the jokes have already been written. 01:47:03.279 --> 01:47:03.600 Yeah. 01:47:03.840 --> 01:47:13.119 We were talking about this because it is a little bit more difficult because our normal thing is riffing on scary movies and trying to find the funny parts of them. 01:47:13.199 --> 01:47:15.119 But they're they make the jokes already. 01:47:15.439 --> 01:47:18.880 Yeah, a lot of the work has already been done with uh for us for Widows Bay. 01:47:19.039 --> 01:47:21.199 All we can do is sit back and laugh and appreciate. 01:47:21.520 --> 01:47:23.520 But we hope that you've had fun with us listeners. 01:47:24.319 --> 01:47:26.880 And that is it from us today. 01:47:27.600 --> 01:47:40.399 And next week we are going to be paying a visit to Widows Bay once more, where we'll be covering episodes seven and eight, seasickness, and your baggage. 01:47:40.720 --> 01:47:42.720 So join us then if you dare. 01:47:42.960 --> 01:47:47.439 And now all that remains is some haunted housekeeping. 01:47:47.680 --> 01:47:50.880 If you get a chance, please rate, review, and subscribe to us. 01:47:50.960 --> 01:47:52.239 It helps us so much. 01:47:52.319 --> 01:47:53.920 And tell your friends about us. 01:47:54.079 --> 01:47:56.479 You know, you can listen to the podcast together. 01:47:56.640 --> 01:47:57.119 Talk about it. 01:47:57.359 --> 01:47:58.079 Spread the word. 01:47:58.319 --> 01:47:58.880 Yes. 01:47:59.359 --> 01:48:05.439 Yeah, and be sure to follow us on Instagram, TikTok, or Facebook at the Creep Over Podcast. 01:48:05.680 --> 01:48:10.880 Our artwork is by Blake Anderson and our theme music is by Taylor Ferguson. 01:48:11.119 --> 01:48:12.479 And we'll see you next week. 01:48:12.720 --> 01:48:19.520 And remember, when the goal line gets tough, don't be afraid to scream like a girl. 01:48:19.760 --> 01:48:22.720 When I turn around, everyone, close your eyes.