Full Transcript for Professor James Small, Dr. Stephen Tates & Pastor Anthony Williams on Undecided Voters, Election Stakes and Community Wellness

00:06:04 Speaker 2: Good grief. 00:06:06 Speaker 3: Right. 00:06:06 Speaker 4: Where's that money now? I could sure use that and buy a can of beans or something. 00:06:12 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:06:13 Speaker 1: You know, well, God bless him. You know, he's a talented young man. 00:06:17 Speaker 4: And a lot of talented young men seem to go to jail. 00:06:23 Speaker 2: You know what's interesting about Chris Brown, Kevin? His mother said that she thought he was better than Michael Jackson as an entertainer. Not just as a person, but, you know, just as an entertainer. She thought he was better. Yeah, I think that blew up his head. You know, he's better than the king of pop. I don't see it because, you know, his music is a little different than Michael's music. But I didn't see it at the time. But that's what his mom kept saying, that he was better than Michael Jackson. 00:06:48 Speaker 4: Well, of course, that's what his mother is going to say. But if we talk about his performances, man, I mean, he does those flips on stage and And he's a great dancer. He does have a tremendous talent and great discipline as far as his performance goes. He's a little less disciplined when he's in a nightclub with a bottle in his hand. 00:07:10 Speaker 1: But, yeah, he's very talented. 00:07:13 Speaker 4: The difference between him and Michael, to me, is Michael was able to stay disciplined, stay out of trouble, stay out of nightclubs, etc., not fighting with his girlfriend and things of that nature. But if you put them side by side dancing and you listen to their vocal talent, he can give Michael a run. 00:07:38 Speaker 1: He could. 00:07:40 Speaker 4: Especially when you consider Michael's music now is considered kind of old school and Chris Brown is still relevant. He's still doing new music that enlightens and sparks audiences still to fill up rooms and everything. So, you know, I think mom, you know, if anybody's going to back you, you want your mom to back you. 00:08:01 Speaker 2: Right, it's your mom. Right, that's true. Yeah. 00:08:04 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's go into rapid-fire news. 00:08:05 Speaker 4: Look, the Marine Corps Marathon brought thousands of people to town, and there were thousands of runners all over the district in Arlington alongside Kyle King and Kaylee Slade. There was a band called Turnstile from this area, And apparently they've become, you know, huge rock stars or something. And so they had 60,000 attendees to a free benefit concert near the Washington Monument. There was a shooting of a teen in northeast D.C. and an arson sentencing for DeAndre Scott, who was sentenced to 25 years in prison. And Dion Phelps has been charged with first degree murder in the March incident. 2023 beating death of a seven-month-old baby, man. I tell you. So that is the way it is. I'm going to stop right there. Your guest is standing by. 00:08:58 Speaker 2: Oh, one more thing, though, Kevin. 00:08:59 Speaker 1: What's that? 00:09:00 Speaker 2: Early voting starts today in the district. 00:09:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Right. Yeah, man. Yeah, let's get out and vote, folks. Yeah, do your thing. 00:09:07 Speaker 6: Right. 00:09:08 Speaker 1: Oh, and at the D.C. 00:09:09 Speaker 4: Library, there's a discussion on the life of Chuck Brown with Sundiata Raman, author of Soul Searcher, Life and Legend of Chuck Brown, Godfather of Go-Go, at the D.C. 00:09:20 Speaker 1: Public Library. 00:09:21 Speaker 4: We'll keep you informed as it gets closer to the actual event. 00:09:26 Speaker 1: Thank you for your time. 00:09:27 Speaker 2: Thanks, Kevin. I was bringing Pastor Anthony Williams, Grand Rising Pastor Williams. Welcome back to the program. 00:09:35 Speaker 7: Grand Rising to Honorable Carl Nelson. What an honor and pleasure to be with you this morning, sir. 00:09:42 Speaker 2: No, the honor is yours, Pastor. Because we want to talk about the black church, the role of the black church when it comes to politics. You know, a lot of people say that the black church should not get in politics. Well, a lot of our leaders, you look back, Dr. King and Reverend Jackson, came out of the black church, even Sharpton came out of the black church. Your thoughts on the black church getting involved in politics? 00:10:06 Speaker 7: The black church is one of the most unique institutions in America. And pastors and congregations have realized for years, the importance of engaging in the political process. Although sometimes it has not been used properly, but it has helped us move the needle in this country. And so any pastor, any congregation that does not engage in, you know, when you talk about this process of politics, then you're missing an opportunity to make the nation better because when the church is sincerely involved in the political process, you have a better community, you have a better society, you have a better nation. And it's been proven since we've been in this country under the auspices of the black church. 00:11:04 Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, though, Pastor Anthony Williams. How do you feel about the candidates for office? Right now, you know, we know about Souls of the Polls. It'll probably take place next Sunday, probably starting this Sunday as well. But how do you feel that you don't see these folks who are running for office all year? When it comes to election time right now, they're calling you up. They want to speak to the congregation. Do you vet them or do you say whether you've got to make a love offering or just come on by? How do you deal with that? 00:11:33 Speaker 7: Well, you know, the bottom line is that each congregation and each pastor, they have the autonomy to make the choice in terms of how they want to deal with candidates out of elected officials. In my case, if they say they want to come by at a certain time, you know, we allow them to come by, say what they have to say, and, you know, shake hands with the people, move the people, and move on. You know, and then a lot

of times it's a good thing because, you know, the candidates get a chance to hear the concerns of the citizens, church folks, but at the same time, you know, they get it. the people get a chance to know them as a person, as an individual. So it can work in a positive way, either way. 00:12:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, all I thought right there, because you said something that was interesting a moment ago. At 13, at the top, they have family just waking up. Our guest is Pastor Anthony Williams out of Chicago, discussing the role of the black church in politics. Do they really hear the cries of the people, the concerns, as you mentioned, of the people, the voters? Do they really hear? Because usually these candidates have got their mind made up. They have an agenda. And what they want to do, they come to the pulpit. They just want to spew their agenda. Do they really get a chance to have people say, hey, well, I'm not down with that. I'm not down with that. I'm not down with this. You know, I think you should consider this. It doesn't work both ways. I guess that's my question, Pastor Anthony Williams. 00:13:00 Speaker 7: I guess, you know, you've got to consider the times. You either have to be an absolute imbecile, blind to not see what's happening in this nation right now. And anybody that professors want to be a public servant, want to be an elected official, you just can't be saying anything out of your mouth that does not pertain to the welfare of citizens. Now, a lot is going on. Now, I can only speak for Illinois. This is where I live at. I have developed over the years good relationships with elected officials who serve. They not just talk, they serve because they've helped me push for resolutions and legislation because they know that when I engage them as a citizen, I bring them something of substance. The key thing is what happened. What happened, you know, we stress voter registration, but we didn't stress voter education. That's why we have the problem that we have. If God's willing and we can get past this era of Trumpism, one of the first things, one of the many things that elected officials need to be doing is educating the public, educating the citizens in terms of how to be an effective citizen. And if they don't do it, and a lot of churches do this, they have classes on educating on citizenship. And one of the failures right now in America is our ignorance of the power of our citizenship. 00:14:43 Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying, but how does that dovetail with the fact that you're supposed to be talking for the believers? For you, it's the Christians. Is citizenship and all of that in the Bible? Can you relate that? 00:14:59 Speaker 7: The Scripture tells us that we're dual citizens. We're citizens of this earth and we're citizens of the kingdom of God. And I believe and I teach dual citizenship. The Scripture says Be not conformed to the world, but transformed. Our job is not to conform to the negativity, the eludes, the demonic actions of this world, but to transform. Let your light shine. Transform. And transformation is not as hard as so many people think it is. First, you've got to transform yourself. But the most important thing is the road forward. of the church and the role of the gospel is to transform, not conform. And so I tell people, you can't avoid getting away from politics. When you're born, a politician signs your birth certificate, and when you die, a politician signs your death certificate. So as citizens of this earth and citizens of the kingdom of God, participate if you want to make this place more livable. You got to be involved. And to talk about you're going to wait on God and all that, that's asinine. God encourages us that we're here to be stewards and to make this earth better, not to just sit around and wait on heaven to come. We're bolder than that. 00:16:30 Speaker 2: So what does he say about wars? This country's going to war with Iran, been at war with Iran. They spent over $ 30 billion of our taxpayers' money. All that to stop a nuke that doesn't exist, to open a street that wasn't closed. Is that what the church is advising people? Hey, this is wrong. This is straight up wrong, killing people. How do you deal with all of that? 00:16:56 Speaker 7: Well, the bottom line is you just stand on the truth. Yesterday was Reformation Sunday. Now, most black churches missed that. Because when you talk about reformation, and most Christian churches have forgotten the importance of reformation, that's when Martin Luther took a position against Pope Leo X because of his corruption and the selling of indulgence. And he took a position. I understand. In that era, the pope was nobody to play with. He had Henry VIII scared because he wanted a divorce. He had the king of Spain scared. He had the king of France. I mean, he was the powerhouse. And God used an obscure monk, an Augustinian monk. He was a black. Luther was a black robe Augustinian monk. 00:17:51 Speaker 2: St. 00:17:51 Speaker 7: Augustine, who was the bishop of northern Africa, who was black. Who was black. 00:17:58 Speaker 2: Because the early church. We got to step aside for our first break. I'll let you continue to explain that to the family when we get back. Family, you too can get in on our discussion with our guest out of Chicago, Pastor Anthony Williams, analyzing the role of the black church in politics. What are your thoughts? Reach out to us at 800-450-7876, and we'll take your phone calls next. Thank you, Grand Rising Family, and thanks for waking up with us on this Monday morning with our guest, Pastor Anthony Williams. We've heard him before out of Chicago. He's an activist, pastor of in Chicago, and he's discussing this morning the role of the black church in politics. And right now, you go to church, there's going to be a lot of politics being discussed. So, Pastor Williams, I'd like to finish your thought. 00:18:46 Speaker 7: I use this example of Martin Luther, and when

Martin Luther causes the ripple of the Reformation, it opens up a new avenue for the church to grow. because the church was under the auspices primarily dominated by Catholicism. But at the same time, you had the oldest Christian body is the Catholic Church out of Ethiopia. And so when Luther does what he does, and it spreads around the world, when we talk about the experience of the indigenous Black Americans who were oppressed by religion, And they saw the opportunity to embrace the church, our Christianity. They used it to their advantage. You know, what makes the black church the black church is that there's a certain uniqueness and spirit that comes only from God. It is the black church that has moved the needle forward more so than almost any institution in America, the black church. Now, it appears that the black church is at a low point only for a moment because God is always preparing men and women to take to the next step. I think one of the things that happened is that over the years, the black church got too soft and got too comfortable. And churches began to push their ministries into prosperity and all that. And all that's great because it's all in the scripture. I mean, the Bible can tell you about prosperity from the beginning to the end. But the main time is the black churches has been one of the most effective institutions on the shores of North America and still is to date. The thing is, is that when you have the right combination of congregation and pastor, you have a committed, powerful black church. We don't have enough of that anymore. And we need more. 00:21:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, but let me jump in and ask you this, though. Since you went there with the megachurches, the prosperity preachers, Does that tarnish the brand? When people, you know, those folks who are not in the church and they look at these pastors with airplanes and Rolls Royces and huge congregations, it's almost like a cult. But then you've got churches probably like yours. It doesn't roll like that. You're really, you know, true to what the gospel says. Does that hurt what you're trying to do? Because people on the outside are looking like, and they paint all black peaches with the same brush. Is that a problem for you, Pastor Williams? 00:21:40 Speaker 7: Unfortunately, a lot of people like demigods. They worship the pastor instead of worshiping God, Christ. 00:21:49 Speaker 8: I mean, a pastor. 00:21:56 Speaker 7: Is an under-shepherd. Christ, in the theology of the Christian church, Christ is the shepherd of the church. The pastor is the under-shepherd of the church. And the pastor's role, if he has to leave the 99 for the 1, that's his job. But the scripture says, woe unto the pastors that scatter the sheep. And so, you know, it has to be a commitment and it has to be in your heart because, see, everyone will be held accountable now. You know, the scripture tells us that judgment begins, will begin at the house of the Lord. So that means preachers, y'all

line up first. And all y'all that's been corrupt in doing what you've been doing, you're going to get it first. But the thing is, I can only speak for myself. Windsor Park Lutheran Church, where I serve in Chicago, we are a people-orientated church. We serve the people. I'm there for one thing, to serve the people, to build the ministry, to work with the community and partnership. Right now, where I'm located, there are billions of dollars coming into the South Shore community. And our church is standing there for the people to make sure that things are as fair as they can be in terms of community partnerships. The black church, when you've got the right combination of pastor and congregation, it's an unstoppable force. And the status quo knows that. They know that. So if they can find the pastors who they can corrupt and sell their communities out, they're always looking for that. But for me, when I made the commitment to go into the ministry, and see, I was blessed to go to a historical black college, which unfortunately is closed. And you Google up Bishop College. Well, Bishop College, produced some of the greatest pastors for the Black Baptist Church in America at one time. And it was a hub in terms of Black theology and the Black church and the cultivation. You know, the experience that I had at Bishop, and I'll tell you some of the people that went there. Congressman soon to be elected, Frederick Haynes, went to Bishop. He was after me. Reverend James Meeks, Reverend Stephen Thurston, these guys are still active. But that institution gave me the foundation of understanding the power of the black church and using that power correctly, not incorrectly. And so when I look at the black church in my own experience, in my own studies, You know, I was always compelled and drawn towards liberation theology. They don't talk about that anymore. Reading people like James Cone, they don't talk about Cone anymore. But the whole idea is the fact that the black church, the goal for me was to move my community forward. Because when I grew up, you know, we saw the power of the black church. 00:25:08 Speaker 2: Right. Hold that thought. 30 minutes at the top. I have family just waking up on this Monday morning with our guest, Chicago activist pastor Anthony Williams, who's talking about the role of the black church in politics. And he mentioned Freddie Haynes, Reverend Freddie Haynes. He's running to replace Jasmine Crockett in Dallas. He's on the ballot down there in Texas. We also have Ralph Warnock, who's another pastor in Atlanta, and he still preaches. Is there an issue if you're in the pulpit and still being a politician? Can you make it work, or is it goes against the grain? How do you see that? 00:25:42 Speaker 7: It's how you use the authority. It's how you use the authority of your position. You know, you have some pastors that suppress their own church from growth, and some of them want their church to be liberated. It's how you use the power that's given to you. You're going to use it for the right reason. Let's look at an example. Adam Clayton Powell, Jr., pastor of Aberdeen Baptist Church, one of the greatest elected officials that ever went into the U.S. Congress, passed more legislation in the 20th century than ever. No one has ever passed legislation like Adam Clayton Powell. Effective. Effective. And that church, Abba City, still stands as a symbol of his work and his father's work before him. 00:26:32 Speaker 2: So you don't see that as a problem because politics is a dirty, cold game. 00:26:38 Speaker 7: Well, you've got to understand the importance of intelligent compromise. Now, you ain't selling your soul out, but it can be done. You know, You ain't got to sell your soul out. You just go get the job done. And when people know that you're not about that, they're not going to approach you. And when they want your vote, okay, what do my constituents get if I go along with this? But if there's no good, you got to be transparent. And that's the thing. Everybody's underhanded. I mean, everybody, you know, everybody's underhanded. That type of politics ain't going to work no more. It's unhealthy. But the thing is, you go in there understanding that this is a different kind of world. You know, when a preacher moves into the political arena, it ain't church. And then sometimes church can be worse than politics. It depends on the situation of the domination because church politics are something else. You know, when you talk about the AME Church, the AME Zion, the CME, oh, they got some politics, particularly when somebody wants to be the bishop. But the whole thing is that they're all human beings. But I know and I look at history is that it is the church, the black church, that has and will continue to move the needle forward. It's just having effective leadership that is committed to understanding how to effectively use the institution to empower and move forth our people. And one of my major concerns is that, you know, if I'm sitting in a disenfranchised community, you got a lot of churches, black churches in disenfranchised community, it's no way I'm going to allow my community to be poor and raggedy and say I'm a pastor in a community that's falling apart. It's unacceptable for me. So, you know, I've seen so many examples of pastors who have used their authority in the congregations and they have transformed community. So it's up to the individual in terms of, particularly in the Black church, in terms of your commitment to ministry. For me, going into the ministry was not for income. It was for outcome. But yet God has provided for me. But I'm going to tell you, the most powerful institution in America still today, if properly used, is the Black church. Because it spills into so many avenues. If you look at the average person of achievement and you ask them, they will tell you, I grew up in the church. The black church has produced some of the finest citizens in America. So I

still have hope for the black church, and I understand the power of the black church. My concern is is that more clergy, that God would bring forth more clergy that will continue the tradition of moving the needle forward and moving our people forward. It's the Black church that got us off the back of the bus, Brother Nelson, the Black church. And the black church has always been the most civil institution in violent America. So I still have hope for the church because I understand the history. One of the major problems that I see with a lot of clergy is the commitment to study. Scripture says, study to show yourself approved. And the commitment for higher education. Our seminaries have changed in so many ways that it's turning off a lot of people. So my prayer is that through the black church, we will continue to empower our people and move the needle forward and be engaged on all fronts for the betterment of our people. 00:30:37 Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you a question, Pastor Anthony Williams, 26 minutes away from the top. You know, some of our progressive brothers and sisters will say, well, where's the church when they were lynching us? Where was the church when they captured us in slavery and we had to go through Jim Crow? Where was the church? Where was the God? What was God doing? Was he asleep at the wheel? How do you respond to those kind of questions? 00:31:00 Speaker 7: No, God wasn't asleep at the wheel. You got to understand the nature of sin. You know, sin is a reality. What does sin mean? It means to be separated from God. The more you participated in it, the more you've caught up in it. Plus, the free will of all humanity. You know, God gave us free will. Maybe if I was God, I would have said, I don't know if I want to give humanity free will. So, you know, the reality is sin. You know, God has given us free will. And history shows we've used that free will in the wrong way. But at the same time, human beings are paradoxical creatures. We are messy creatures. 00:31:40 Speaker 2: That's why. 00:31:42 Speaker 7: In the Christian theology, that's why we see Christ has been sent to this world to redeem us. And my God, we definitely need redemption today and yesterday and forevermore. So, you know, you just have to continue to grow. You have to continue to tell people, what is your personal relationship with God like? If you have a personal relationship with God, you have a personal relationship with Christ, you're unstoppable. You cannot break a person who has that kind of faith in God. And those old folks singing them old hymns brought us through segregation, brought us through Jim Crow, brought us through hard times. And the black church had to be there to help its people survive. The black church was there to help us survive in this nation. and they had to hold things intact for our survival. Well, the black church as it is now, it's kind of like, you know, every man for himself. Interesting thing happened. One of the members of

my church was talking to me, and she's an accountant at another church also. And she said a pastor came to the new church, came to the church where I met a new pastor, rather, and he asked the congregation the question, if this church closed down tomorrow, would it have an impact on the community? She pondered on what he said, and she said to herself, if my church closes down, it would have an impact on the community. She said that particular church, they have resources, they have members, but they don't do anything in the community. Where we're at each week, look, we serve about 5,500 people a month in terms of some of the basic things they need. Clothing, food. We serve them. And it's about serving, but at the same time to empower them too. Because right now, the black church can do one thing. We can encourage our people to live. That's what we need to encourage people to live. And that's how I've always seen the strength of the church. That institution helped us survive. all of the demonic things that took place in our experience in America. And our greatest leadership has come where? Out of the black church. And it will still continue. No putting down anybody else's faith. But without the church, we'd be in trouble in this country, the black church. 00:34:23 Speaker 2: All right, hold that thought right there. We've got to check the new sports weather in our different cities when we come back in 22 minutes away from the top day out. Why don't you respond to what used to be a regular guest on here, Dr. Walter Williams. He says the church is just mind control. It just controls our minds and controls our future. It doesn't give us a chance to think for ourselves. I want to get your response to that. Let me get that. Family, you too can join our conversation. Our guest is Pastor Anthony Williams out of Chicago. He's an activist pastor there. Reach out to us at 800-450-7876. We'll take your phone calls after we check the news. What's next? Thanks for starting your week with us. It's 16 minutes away from the top of the hour with our guest out of Chicago, Pastor Anthony Williams, discussing the role of the black church. Before we go back to you, let me just remind you, coming up later this morning, we're going to speak with one of our griots, Professor James Small. Also before Professor Small, though, holistic doctor Stephen Tate will join us. He's going to explain how climate change and global unrest can upset your physical and spiritual health being. And later this week, you're going to hear from investigative reporter Greg Palacios. There's a lot of shenanigans going on with the vote, so he's going to share that with us. And also civil rights actress out of Baltimore, Carl Snowden, will be here. So if you are in Baltimore, make sure that radio is locked in real tight on 1010 WOLB. Or if you're in the DMV, the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area, we're on 1450 WOL. All right, Pastor Williams, before we left for the news update, my question to you was one of our former guests, Dr. Walter Williams, he's made his transition right now, but his thing was that You know, all religions are man-made. First, that's what he said. I want you to dispute that. And also, if you dispute the fact that he says religions are there to control our minds, especially the black mind. What are your thoughts? 00:36:09 Speaker 7: Karl Marx said that religion was the opium of the people. But it can also be the freedom of the people. It's how you use the institutions. You can use an institution for righteousness or you can use it for unrighteousness. I always saw the church personally as an institution of liberation because I saw Christ and I see Christ as a liberator to set the captives free. So, you know, to each his own. But when I look at history and when I understand the power of the church, you know, Christ said it best. upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail the church is not going anywhere because it is the bride of Christ now we're talking theology talking about scripture it's the bride of Christ the church is not going anywhere it is the only institution within our Christian theology that we believe that it was ordained by God that the church family ordained by God and so you know I've lived long enough and I've had a diverse experience of serving in the traditional black church as well as serving in the traditional white church. So I've had a unique experience to see the church from different cultural aspects, too. When I look at my community, I say thank God for the church because it's going to help keep me and keep us on the bus and continue to push America forward. So I understand the power of the church when the power is used correctly. And in terms of, first of all, we're created with spiritual beings first and foremost. It says worship God in spirit and worship God in truth. And this ain't worship God in religion. Worship God in spirit and worship God in truth. And that's how I explain it to people. You worship God in spirit and you worship God in truth. 00:38:15 Speaker 5: Indeed. 00:38:16 Speaker 7: In the context of Christian theology, we see Christ as the Redeemer because he shed his blood for humanity. John 3, 16, for God so loved the world. Look, when I was in college, man, I was wrestling because I saw some things in the church that I didn't like, Brother Nelson. And I began to study because in the religious system, they point out 12 major religions. Christianity, Islam, Buddhism. And I went through the whole gamut of study. And I said to myself, ain't no way somebody can lie like this. 2,000 years. And this Jesus guy, he can't lie like, can't nobody lie like this. And so because of my experience, because of my faith, It is not about religion. It's beyond that. It is about humanity's understanding of this gift of life that God has given us. And one of the beauties of my experience of the black church is that the fact that I was always taught through

Christ, I've come that you might have life and have it more abundantly. So I encourage people to live an abundant life because this thing is very short. Look, Brother Nelson, me and you was 21 yesterday. Ain't that now? So the black church is still effective, still relevant. It's just the thing in terms of the right shepherds being over those congregations and having a vision to do ministry beyond just the norm. 00:40:10 Speaker 2: Hold that thought right there. Ten minutes away from the top. Family, just join us. Just waking up on this Monday morning. I guess this activist pastor out of Chicago. His name is Anthony Williams. We're talking about the role of the black church. Pastor Williams, the first time you mentioned the fact that you also led a white church or preached to white folks. Is there an issue with why they always paint Jesus, their leader, as white? That Jesus Christ was white? Do you think that's the same white congregation? If you'd show them and prove to them, you know, geologically, that Jesus Christ had to be a person of, I hate this term, person of color, but just had to be a black man, if you will. And would they accept that? 00:40:52 Speaker 9: Hey, look here. 00:40:54 Speaker 7: You can go on YouTube right now and Billy Graham told white folks, told the white church a long time ago that Christ was black. Anybody with common sense can read the Bible. When they were fleeing Herod, Mary and Joseph, they went into Egypt. If they were Caucasians, they would just send a word back to Herod, hey, them white folk down here. So, you know, that right there, people are going to always have their idiosyncrasies in terms of how they relate, but it's the image. The image. If you come to my church, we don't have no pictures hanging around. But if I'm going to put up an image of Christ, it's going to be black within your own cultural context. If I go to an Asian church, an Asian Christian church, and they got a Chinese Jesus, that don't bother me. But it's not about the image. It's about worshiping God and spirit and truth. That's what it's about. That's what it's all about. 00:41:55 Speaker 2: Why some of the white churches have an issue with telling their congregation that Jesus Christ was a black person? 00:42:03 Speaker 7: Hey, that's a sickness. Well, you know, that is the sickness of the violence of racism. The violence of racism. I mean, unfortunately, you know, they believe that. You can't change that. If they see Jesus as white, I don't care how you see him. But I know he wouldn't. Now, if you want to talk facts, history shows he wasn't a white man. That's just it. And if they don't believe it, you got a whole lot of white preachers that tell you that Jesus was not a white man. If they got a good sense, when you look at what part of the world that he lived in, you know, and so, you know, you take the church has been using as an oppressive tool by the other side. We know that. But at the end of the day, truth-crushing earth will always rise again. Truth-crushing earth will always rise again. I don't care who's in control. There's something about the truth. It rises again. And the rise of the black church is about to occur because we don't know what's going to happen in the next two years, but we've got to be prepared to serve our people. And historically... No one has served the black community better than the black church. And that's why, like in the community I serve, when I go and I talk to the people, they're out there in lines and I talk to them, let them know what we're about. But then at the same time, I let them know it's so important, whether you come to church or not, it's so important to support this church. 00:43:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, seven away from the top. Pastor Williams, you know, the white evangelicals and Dr. Fox, a clinical psychologist, says we shouldn't call them Christians. You know, he says basically they're devils. But put that aside for a moment. They seem to be more proactive in pushing their agenda for their community. And I think what on the black side of the chessboard, as Dr. Wilson would talk about, we need to see our black preachers doing the same thing for us as the white evangelicals, pushing their agenda on the entire world. Why can't, why won't our churches be more active in doing that? 00:44:21 Speaker 7: Well, we do have a lot of our churches doing that, you know, because their understanding that, that, that our people, look, If you're asking your members for tithes and offerings and they're unemployed, you shouldn't be asking for tithes and offerings. You'd be trying to put in the work of great businesses. You have a lot of dedicated pastors that are doing that. You have the Progressive Baptist Convention. They've always been up front in terms of liberation theology towards our people. So people are working quietly. I read the story of a great young Baptist preacher out in Virginia, out your way. And he saw that people were losing their homes and they raised money and they saved people's homes. Man, that's ministry at its finest. So you have a lot of men and women pastors and lay leaders that are doing great things. They're not looking for any accolades. They're just doing the work that they've been called to do. And the work is not for us to conform, but to transform. The black church has always understood transformational ministry. And that's where I'm at. And I'm always encouraging younger pastors to grow and to learn and to be a part of the community. And wherever you are serving, do your best. And when you trust God, you know, through the hard times. You know, our church is kind of international. We have a lot of people in our church, Brother Nelson, that came through that Liberian Civil War. And I sat and talked with them. And, you know, it was like talking with people that had come out of the American slave system, man, what they had to go through, man. And, you know, you think you're going to have some hard times

and some suffering. Brother, I talked to some people that had to come through some of those civil wars. Break your heart. But they never, but they had their faith back. And they never gave up on God, and they knew the importance of being a part of the church. And, I mean, they served, man. They served because, you know, like I said earlier, Brother Nelson, we've gotten too soft. The black church has gotten to be soft. Maybe suffering may redeem us, but we've got two more years of an administration that don't love nobody. And so we've got to navigate this. And my trust is in God, and my trust is that the church, the black church in particular, will lead the way of a more excellent way in Christ Jesus. So, hey, that's where I'm at. I can show you better than I can tell you, but that's where I'm at. 00:47:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, four away from the topic. I've got a tweet from... Sister Lisa, who lives in West Baltimore, she's one of our charter listeners when we started in Baltimore, and her question says, ask him about the churches accepting federal funds from the government. Your thoughts on that? 00:47:25 Speaker 7: Well, the bottom line is there's accountability. If you take money from the federal government, you've got to give them some measurables. You know, we don't take it. Our church is a self-sufficient church. We may get, you know, some church grants from the denomination, but You know, we're not messing with government money. You know, it can stymie you if you're not wise in terms of how to use the money because they're going to come and ask you where the measurables, where's the production, and how the money was spent. So if you go into those ventures, say, for instance, like pastors at one time getting federal funds from HUD, et cetera, et cetera, you've got to make accountability of what you do. It's best to be transparent. particularly when you're doing this kind of work. 00:48:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, but aren't you, you know, the people, the church, you say your church doesn't take, but some churches have taken money from the feds. Are they expected or does it come with strings attached? Do you know anything about that, Pastor Williams? 00:48:32 Speaker 7: I can't speak for everybody, but if you're doing some type of program, there's had to be some accountability. But then, you know, right now, corporations and government don't give directly to the church. You have to have a separate 501C3 corporation. You know, you have to do that. You can't lock that because people say, well, I can't give directly to a church. But if you have a 501C3 that's dealing with a particular body of work, either you have a corporation set up. So, you know, you have to have the right type of administrative skills in terms of You know, if you go after that, if you're just taking it to take it, then that can be a problem. But you have to set yourself up administratively correctly. 00:49:21 Speaker 1: Right. 00:49:21 Speaker 2: You know, we're coming up on prayer, but

I've got to ask you this question because there's a lot of talk about declining folks going to church. People are not, especially our young people, not going to church. They're sitting, you know, maybe they're doing it online, but they're not going into the church buildings on Sunday. Is this something that you observed? If so, what can be done about it from a pastor's point of view? Family, just join us. Just waking up. I guess he's a pastor, Anthony Williams. He's an activist pastor out of Chicago. You want to join this discussion, reach out to us at 800-450-7876, and we'll take your phone calls next. Grand Rising Family, thanks for starting your week with us on this Monday morning with our guest out of Chicago. He's an activist pastor, Anthony Williams. We're talking about the role of the black church in politics. Pastor Williams, the congregation is declining. A lot of folks are not going to church anymore. They've been disenchanted with the messages, especially our young people. Is this something that you see at your church in Chicago? 00:50:26 Speaker 7: Well, the bottom line is that. 00:50:31 Speaker 7: But church growth comes when you are relevant, you know, and being led by the Spirit. You know, you can, you know, coming up with gimmicks and things like that, that's not going, you know, that's not what I'm interested in. That's not what I do. I work to make the church relevant by engaging the community. You got to talk to the people, like the young people. You know, like I was telling our musicians, I said, look, on the East Coast, Jazz Vespas services are big on the East Coast, all up in the New York area. You got to be relevant. You got to be creative in your ministry to be able to draw people back. And you got to have a message that's speaking to the hearts of the people. You know, if there's one qualification that somebody will work, What's your biggest qualification? I would say my sincerity. You got to be sincere, not to each his own. But for me, I work on getting a message of relevancy out by way of the gospel because it's just what it is, good news. And so when you're putting the good news out there, it's going to draw people to the church. People say, well, you know, old-fashioned nothing. Christ says if I be lifted up I'll draw all men unto me. So you have to lift up Christ. This is the Christian context. What other faiths do, that's that. And then you got to go fishing for people. You know, the church invented fishing for people long before a lot of other faith-based organizations took it, you know, and used it in their particular religious structures. But you got to be relevant. You got to have a message. You got to lift up Christ. You got to be sincere. And people come. You can see the scripture says there'll be a falling away from the church. The scripture talks about wax and deaf ears. But yet, when I look around the country, say, for instance, in Houston, Texas, another Bishop College graduate, Ralph West, Church Without

Walls, can't get in there on Sunday. Can't get in there. Another Bishop College graduate, Freddie Clark and St. Louis can't get in their churches, but they have relevant ministries. And you have a lot of pastors that have just keep your ministry relevant and keep it real and preach Christ. But at the same time, also be historically sound. That's another problem we had not being historical. You got to understand. We understand history. You can understand your present situation. And there's no way. you can ever get me to deny the historical importance of the black church, moving our people forward. 00:53:29 Speaker 2: And, you know, because Dr. Stephen Tate's a naturopathic doctors on deck. I want to get to him. I want to ask you before we let you go, the young people, the ones who are out there in the streets, how do you bring them? But how do you make the church relevant to them? Did you, do you have to play some hip hop music or, You have to get some of the shot callers in the community to join the church. How do you engage those young people? You know, the ones I'm talking about, the ones who are on the street corners. 00:53:56 Speaker 7: Hey, look, it's how you go fishing. You know, you have to put a certain bait on a hook in order to catch certain fish. All fish don't bite worms now. It's the message. It's the message. And then they're going to feel it. And then what we've had, man, Our people were a people of spiritual strength, man. We ain't talking about religion. You're talking about spiritual strength. And we've lost that key anchor because what we've had to go through. But I think that there'll be a renewal and it's coming depending on the times. But all I can say to anybody that's involved in the church is to continue to keep your church relevant. and continue to push forth the good news, and to continue not to conform, but transform this world. The teachings of Christ are revolutionary when put into practice, and they bring a total different mindset when you understand how Christ operated psychologically in the world that he lived in, which is still applicable today. So we do the best we can, brother. But there's nothing like, you know, I go back to somebody you love and respect, Dr. Amos Wilson. He said, I tell you what, I've looked at it up and down. The only way they can destroy us is if we stop loving each other. And see, the thing about this black church, it loved its people truly at one time. I experienced that love. And it helped nurture me and guide me and helped me get me an understanding of how this institution, particularly the black church, can not only liberate and free our people and has done that, but can continue to do that and continue to encourage people not to live, not to just survive. I mean, excuse me, not to just exist and to survive, but to live, you know. 00:56:02 Speaker 2: I'm going to cut it there. Pastor, someone just sent me a tweet here about Texas. One of our listeners down there in Texas says that on Sunday, more than 2,000 churches, black churches, that's the entire state, mobilized. They call it Blackout Sunday. You know, souls to the polls, some people call it. They did that on Sunday. So, you know, they're trying to get people to go to early voting. They want me to share that with you, I guess, they sent the text. 00:56:29 Speaker 7: Oh, yeah, yeah. I saw that. That was great. 00:56:32 Speaker 2: Oh, you did? 00:56:32 Speaker 6: Okay. 00:56:34 Speaker 9: Yeah. 00:56:34 Speaker 2: Somebody sent me a text a moment ago, just wanted me to share that with you. Maybe you can get the churches in Illinois to do the same thing. 00:56:42 Speaker 7: Well, they did something yesterday here. I saw they did something yesterday because I saw Governor J.P. Pritzker, at some function, get out to vote. So, you know, it's kind of being duplicated around the country. 00:56:56 Speaker 5: All right. 00:56:57 Speaker 2: And thank you for sharing that, Pastor Williams. And thank you, you know, always call on you when we discuss the black church and use you as an example, because you're one of these activist pastors. You know, the church is open, your church is open, not just open on Sundays. So I thank you, Pastor Williams, for sharing your thoughts with us this morning. 00:57:14 Speaker 7: Thank you, and God bless everybody. Thank you both for this opportunity, man. 00:57:17 Speaker 2: All right, that's Pastor Anthony Williams, an activist pastor out of Chicago. Let's move, let's go out to Atlanta, though. 00:57:23 Speaker 5: Dr. 00:57:24 Speaker 2: Stephen Tate is waiting for us. Grand Rising, Dr. 00:57:26 Speaker 3: Tate. 00:57:26 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. 00:57:28 Speaker 8: Grand Rising to you. How are you feeling this morning? 00:57:31 Speaker 2: I'm still learning, Dr. 00:57:32 Speaker 7: Ted. 00:57:32 Speaker 2: I'm still learning. I'm learning something every day. I know I'm going to learn a lot from you this morning because we want to talk. Actually, I'm going to ask you to explain how climate change, global unrest, how this can impact you physically and spiritually. 00:57:45 Speaker 8: Well, one of the things we have to understand is that we are connected to the planet. And I'll give you an example of my students and my patients. Like, if you stubbed your... Big toe. You feel it instantly through your whole body. And it's not just the toe that feels it. It's the same thing with the planet. The bombs that are being dropped, the wars that are happening, the climate changes, it changes the energies and the rhythm of our planet. And we're connected to that, and it changes the energies and rhythms of our body physically, mentally, and emotionally. That's why as things are changing, you're seeing more horrific things that people are doing to each other. And that's a byproduct of the energies in the nervous system changing in people's evil is being expressed or people's loving energy is being expressed because we're connected with the earth. So

the bomb is dropped in another country. That energy circulates through the entire planet. And it affects us based on how we live in our lifestyle, our eating habits, if we're taking care of our body and taking care of our mind. If we are not, then we're more vulnerable to these changes. And if you look around, I love when they say there's no climate changes and there's no problems. but we've got major snowstorms happening right now. We've had earthquakes and floods and tsunamis and things happening all over the planet. And I always use the expression that our planet is It's going through a detox. Like you've heard me when I've been on the show before how we need to cleanse and rebuild. Our planet is going through a detox. And that's why we see so many rapid changes in the planet and in ourselves as human beings. And we have to understand what we need to do to survive the detox. There are certain things we can do that these energies that have shifted this planet don't affect us in a harmful way and actually can empower us. 00:59:53 Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this. As black folks, are we acutely more in tune to the planet, to the Earth, to these changes than the other folks because of our melanin content or pineal gland that some of us know how to use? Are we closer to these? Are we more subjected to these changes? I guess my question would be. 01:00:15 Speaker 6: Well, yeah. 01:00:16 Speaker 8: And that's a very good point is that we are more connected to the Earth. That's our history. We're connected to the land, and we're connected to the environment. And as that's changing, we tend to feel that changes quicker than any other culture. It is that vibration that we're connected with the earth, and when the earth's vibration changes, it changes us. But here's the interesting thing to add to this. I mentioned just a couple of minutes ago with that. What we do in energy shifts, it can be destructive to us, but it also can be empowering to us if we know what it is we need to do. Well, we are definitely connected. 01:01:00 Speaker 2: Interesting. You know, Donald Trump says that the climate change is a hoax. Your thoughts on that? 01:01:07 Speaker 8: What do you mean a guy that's suffering with Alzheimer's and dementia? The man has just got pure evil in him. I don't pay attention to that. But even, not just Donald Trump, but a lot of people have been saying, There's no real climate changes, or they think global warming means that the planet's going to get hotter. It can get colder. It's just a disruption of the planet going through this kind of detox. And we see that all the time. I mean, I'm in Atlanta. Two or three weeks ago, we had 90-degree temperature. We got 40, 50-degree temperatures. There are floods. There are tornadoes. There are hurricanes. There are earthquakes all over this planet. This is that change. This is that adjustment that the planet is needing to do to defend itself. And I'll add another part. We are sucking the blood, not we, not you and I, but the blood of the planet is being sucked out, and the blood of the planet is the oil. And that whole game, because we should not be dependent on oil or the lifeblood of the planet. And then based on how we are. determines how we are affected by this detox that the planet is going through. If we're more connected to the Earth, we actually, our body's going to heal and get stronger and be more empowered. But if we're not connected to the Earth, and a lot of us are not connected to the Earth anymore, then we're going to feel that detox and that destructive nature that the planet is going through. 01:02:43 Speaker 2: All right, 15 out of the top. Let me ask you this, though. We talk about climate change, and The scientists have said that this past summer was actually the warmest, the hottest in any time. The Earth is getting warmer and the oceans are getting warmer. And we saw that, you know, what's going on with the water. But also they say that one of the possible reasons for this could be all these rockets and Elon Musk and Bezos are firing up into the atmosphere. From where you stand, is there any truth to that? 01:03:14 Speaker 8: Well, there's a lot of truth. There are several factors that do that. But yeah, the bombs and the whole thing with Elon Musk and all that, that just accelerates the detoxing that the planet's going to go through. And the planet has been going through shifts on the North and South Pole. The ice is melting at a rapid rate, and that's because of the way we have I'm disrespected the planet, not you and I personally, but the way, you know, these countries are disrespected the planet. The polar caps are melting. I was reading the other day that the middle of our planet is expanding and contracting. It's expanding and contracting. Things are shifting. Things are shifting rapidly and everything affects. It's just like you stubbed your toe. That's like a bomb. You feel it all over your body. And this is a very dangerous time we're in. And I won't say this has been prophesied, but it has been talked about on many occasions. This is a time that we can determine whether three-quarters of the population of the planet disappears because of the destructive nature, or we survived this. And there's steps that we need to follow in order to make this happen. 01:04:35 Speaker 6: All right. 01:04:35 Speaker 2: Hold that thought there because we're coming up on break. But my question to you is also because of the planet being warmer, hotter, if you will, than previously, that they talk about the soil, Dr. Tate. Dr. Stephen Tate, I guess he's a naturopathic doctor based in Atlanta. They say that soil doesn't have the same nutrients and minerals that it had before when we were growing up. When we harvested, whether it be potatoes or yams or whatever, corn, whatever vegetable out of the earth, It was different. It's not as potent as it was back in the day today. From your research, have you seen anything that could

support that? 01:05:14 Speaker 8: Absolutely. Absolutely. And I keep track of these types of things that you're mentioning. What happens is that the soil is being depleted, the topsoil is being depleted. from environmental changes, just for over-planting on certain soils, the major farms that are controlled by corporations, that soil is being stripped, which means the quality of the food that is grown is much less, which means the nutritional value is less, which means that our chances of having health issues become increased because of this. I'll give you examples like I have a new analogy, which means. 01:05:57 Speaker 6: That— I'll tell you what. 01:05:58 Speaker 2: Hold that thought right there. Hold that example right there first, Dr. Tate. We've got to step aside for a few minutes. We go back. I'll let you share that with us. And also tell us, what can we do? Now we know all of these things, despite what Donald Trump said, that it's a hoax. You know, global warming is a hoax. But we know it's real. So what can we do? I'll let you share that with us when we get back. Family, you want to join our conversation? Our guest is a holistic doctor. His name is Stephen Tate. Out of Atlanta, reach out to us at 800-450— 7878-76, and we'll take your phone calls next. And Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week with us at 22 minutes after the top there with our guest, naturopathic doctor Stephen Tates out of Atlanta, Georgia. And this morning he's discussing or explaining to us how climate change and global unrest can impact our physical and spiritual well-being. Before we leave the break, you're about to tell us a short story. So go ahead with that, Dr. 01:06:55 Speaker 5: Tate. 01:06:56 Speaker 8: Well, one of the things I was going to mention is that I've been diagnosed with a gluten allergy, which is a sensitivity to wheat and barley. And I've had a lot of my patients who have that same kind of issues and possess gluten. My allergic reaction to gluten is not because I'm allergic to wheat and barley and stuff. It's the quality of the wheat and barley in this country that triggers those kind of reactions because we talked about the topsoil being destroyed and the quality of the food being worse. And one of the things I'm going to give an example is what I've had several of my patients that have been diagnosed with gluten allergies. And even wheat or barley or anything like that they eat, they go through reactions. They get bloated. The sinuses get congested. But many of them have traveled to other parts of the world, even to Europe, like to Italy and Spain and France and North Africa. And have eaten the bread there and not had any reactions because the quality of the wheat and the quality of the soil in this country is far worse than in other countries. So sometimes we have reactions because of the environment that we're in and the kind of quality, the poor quality of food. I don't know if you remember, because you're kind of young. I'm just

saying you're young. Remember that movie, Soiling Green, with Charlton Heston years ago? 01:08:24 Speaker 2: Yes. You're being kind, but go ahead, Dr. Tate. 01:08:28 Speaker 8: Okay. And in that movie, they talked about the soil and the climate was just destroyed. And they had these special wafers to keep them nourished. But the wafers was made from human beings. And, I mean, we're leaning in that direction. I'm not saying we're going to be having wafers that are made from human beings. But the quality of the food is fake. You look at the food on the market, and you read the labels, and it's mostly chemicals. 01:08:59 Speaker 11: Right. 01:09:00 Speaker 8: Or artificial products. And we are suffering from this. But I'm going to switch a little bit because you asked a question that what do we need to do with this planet going through a detox? We need to reconnect with the planet. Simple things. Like going in the backyard or on a park, taking your shoes and socks off and feeling the earth and the soil and the energies of the earth absorbing through the pores of your feet. I mentioned that to somebody the other day. They said, but my feet will get dirty. I'm like, oh, no. 01:09:38 Speaker 7: Oh, no. 01:09:38 Speaker 8: Come on now. You've got to reconnect with the earth. You've got to hug a tree sometimes. Touch the plants. and we breathe through certain types of breathing at the same time, and you've got to pick a side. Are we on the side of the planet, or are we on the other side? And being on the side of the planet, we have to learn how to ground, like sitting in the backyard in grass, feet barefoot in the grass, doing certain types of abdominal breathing, and feeling the energies of the planet absorbing into our bodies. Why is this important? And why is our connection with the earth more important? Because when the earth increases its detoxing process, what's going to end up happening is that the people that are going to suffer are the people who are no longer connected to the earth, which means that many of us are still going to survive this madness because a lot of us are still connected to the earth. But we've got to get more connection. And sitting in the soil, putting our feet in the soil, drawing in energy from the sun, certain types of breathing, quality of sleep, certain sounds like vowel sounds that are in harmony with the planet. These are things that we don't have enough time to go through in detail, but people are calming about that. Remember the old things, A-E-I-O-U and sometimes Y? You remember that, Carl? 01:11:10 Speaker 11: Yeah. 01:11:11 Speaker 8: Well, each of those letters, each of those sounds, A-E-I-O-U, has a certain effect on our body. The letter A, which sounds like A-H, it helps us in our grounding. So when we're standing out in the soil or just in our house, when we're using the sound, it helps us connect with the planet. The steel drums, the African drums. certain types of sounds and singing connects us or reconnects us to the planet. And learning how these sounds work, learning how to breathe right, learning how to increase our water, learning how to get that good, deep, power nap sleep helps us reconnect with ourselves and helps us reconnect with the planet. 01:12:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, 28 at the top there. Our family just checking in. Our guest is Dr. Stephen Tate. 01:12:04 Speaker 6: Dr. 01:12:05 Speaker 2: Tate is a naturopathic doctor based in Atlanta. But Dr. Tate, you've seen it, you know, go out and walk bare feet on the ground, let your feet touch the grass. But it gets kind of cool in some areas right now. Is there an alternative to doing that? You know, going out, because, you know, it's the fall, actually, as you know. It's getting cooler and colder, if you will, at some parts of the day. So is there an alternative to connecting to the earth other than that? 01:12:30 Speaker 8: Well, if the snow is really cold, you don't want to do that then because that will kill the body, but What you can do, believe it or not, is you can dig up some soil. You can dig up some soil, good soil, you know, with earthworms and that nice moist soil. Remember when we grew up, you could dig in the earth and the soil felt moist? You can dig up some of that earth. put it in like a foot sole type of thing, and then cover it and put your feet in that in your house. You can do that as well in that house with that grounding. There's certain sounds like that, A, E, and I, that you can be doing that is grounding. It is listening to certain types of music like jazz music or African drums or steel drums and things like that, that also helps change the vibration in our body and helps us ground. There's also advanced techniques of breathing. Most of us don't breathe well. We do shallow breathing. We need to learn how to do diaphragm and abdominal breathing. And there's certain kinds of rhythmic breathing that we can also do that helps in balancing. One of them is called box breathing. Box breathing is when you inhale to a count of four, hold your breath to a count of four, exhale to a count of four, and pause to a count of four. And not a quick count, not like one, two, three, four. It's like one, two, three, four, and hold your breath to that same rhythm. That's Balances our system that calms the nerves, rebuilds the nerves, strengthens the vagus nerves, strengthens the entire nervous system, which is another way, even in your house, to be able to do grounding. Now, if you're in a warm climate and you're feeling the sauce and you're doing this breathing and you're doing the healing sound, that's far more powerful. But just like you mentioned, because the weather is changing, the sound and the breathing is and the soil and the sand and stuff that we can put our feet in in the house will help us in our grounding as long as our thoughts and our emotions are right, as long as we understand that we are trying to reconnect with our ancestors and with the earth. You know, you

have to have those kind of thoughts as you're doing these things. If you're trying to do these things and you're listening to Trump speak on TV, well, you're throwing the rhythm and the energies off. So you want to have soft music, you want to have certain energy, you want to have certain kind of breathing techniques, and then you can do this in and outside your house. And there's certain herbs that will help in this process, especially herbs that help in cleansing our intestinal system and clearing our lungs, and most importantly, strengthening our liver, which has an effect on our entire body and creates a rhythm for our entire body because the liver affects our over 500 major and minor functions. So the water you drink, the exercises for the liver, the breathing process, herbs like milk thistles that washes, cleanses, strengthens, and rebuilds the liver, all these changes to vibrations, and we need to change these vibrations to be in harmony with the earth's vibration. And when we do that, the earth and our ancestors will protect us more and help us see what's happening before it actually happens. 01:16:02 Speaker 2: Ah, Shay, 28 away from the top there. I found her just checking in. I guess it's Dr. Stephen Tate out of Atlanta. He's a naturopathic doctor, a holistic doctor. And Dr. Tate is explaining this morning how climate change and global unrest can impact our physical and spiritual health. So, Dr. Tate, we've talked about the physical health. What about the spiritual health? And how do we know if that's the cause of, you know, if something goes awry with us, you know, spiritually or emotionally? 01:16:27 Speaker 8: Well, some of the physical symptoms can be tightness in the head, throbbing in the head, throbbing in our feet or large and small intestines. But more importantly, there's comfort around the center of our body, which is our navel or what they call the prenatal, postnatal cheek kind of area. And then the other part is sleep deprivation or just mood shifts. We're now starting to see more and more and more people that are angry, and that's because they're feeling that disruptive energy of the planet. So the mood shifts can start to happen. Memory and concentration can start to decrease. All these things are an indication that we're out of balance. And you know what the beauty of this, Carlos, is that because we're connected to the Earth, It won't take as much for us to do to reconnect or increase our connections to the earth and to our ancestors because they're right there for us. You know, it's just, you know, it's here. And we can grow and connect with that far faster than, sadly, other cultures can. 01:17:42 Speaker 2: Can I ask you this question about the moon? Does the moon have any effect on us? Because we know they're called king tides on the East Coast because of the moon. Can you share that with us? What's going on with the moon? Does the moon have any emotional effect on our bodies or physical effect on us when there is

a full moon? 01:18:01 Speaker 8: It's interesting. It's interesting you would say that, because you're absolutely right. We see the moon in different cycles of the moon, from the full moon to the crescent moon to the half moon, and how it can affect our moods. I remember one time I was driving home, and there was all kind of road rage and stuff going on. I said, it must be a full moon. You know how we say that sometimes. And we look up, there it is. But if you think of it this way, from a physical standpoint or physiological standpoint, The moon, depending on how close it is or the intensity of the moon, has an effect on the water and our tides. We are more than 75% fluid, 80% fluid, and most of that is in a water base. So what happens is that it affects us. the water in our body and it moves in our body the same as it affects the oceans because it has that effect of disrupting the water and the fluids in our system. It becomes more disruptive when we're not taking care of our health. When we're taking care of our health and doing the breathing and connecting with the earth, then what happens is that moon and the effects of the moon are positive for our body because we're already doing things positive for our body. And we'll throw another thing out there. Remember the old werewolf movies where the werewolf was howling at the moon? Do you know that's an old chant to draw in energy from the moon into our body? into cells in our body, but they put it out there like, oh, that's just a werewolf movie. And that chant, you will never do because they don't want you to do that because that connects us not only with the earth, but with the moon, with that sound. Same as that A-E-I-O-U sound or vowel sound, they can have an effect on rebalancing the energies in our body. But yeah, the moon has a tremendous effect. 01:20:01 Speaker 2: So, Doc, how can we take advantage of this? So we got all this information. How can we make it work for us? 01:20:09 Speaker 8: Okay, how do we make it work for us? That's an interesting question. When we start to use these things, how it's going to work for us from a physical standpoint, is going to improve our health, correct our health, accelerate the healing process of our health. That's the physical part. The emotional part, it will be more balanced, will be less stressed. The spiritual part is reconnecting to the earth and we'll be able to start to see what's starting to happen before it actually starts to happen. We see that with animals. We see that with birds. I say one time that If I look up and all the birds are flying out of the city and going west, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to go with them because they feel that energy. It's like animals have that connection to the earth that knows when certain things are going to happen, sometimes days and weeks, sometimes months ahead of time. We always had that ability far more than the animals. We had that ability, but we've gotten so far disconnected with ourselves and the earth that we don't see these things before they happen. When we learn how to do these things and see these things before they happen, then we're better prepared. Then we can take care of ourselves better and our loved ones better because we can see things before they start to happen. I don't know if I answered your question. 01:21:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, but in a way, is it because of our pineal gland or is it because of our melanin? Or both? 01:21:51 Speaker 7: Both. 01:21:52 Speaker 2: Both. 01:21:53 Speaker 8: It's our pineal gland, our pituitary gland, our hypothalamus and thymus glands, our adrenal glands, our melanin in our system, all of that. I mean, from head to toe. There's a point that I mentioned earlier that's an inch behind our navel and a half an inch below. And it's called the. 01:22:17 Speaker 8: It's at the center of our body, where the umbilical cord is connected to. It's at the center of our body. And we have the upper and lower half. And in Dallas, they call it prenatal and postnatal Qi. 01:22:29 Speaker 2: Hold that thought right there, Dr. Tate. You're getting some really interesting conversation right now. We've got to step aside and check the news, sports, traffic, and weather in our different cities. Family, just join us. Our guest is Dr. Stephen Tate. He's out of Atlanta. He's a naturopathic doctor, a holistic doctor. If you want to join this conversation, reach out to us at 800-450-7876, and we'll take your phone calls after we look at the news, sports, and weather. 01:22:54 Speaker 3: That's next. 01:23:01 Speaker 2: And Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up with us on this Monday morning here with our guest, Dr. Stephen Tate. 01:23:05 Speaker 7: Dr. 01:23:06 Speaker 2: Tate works out of Atlanta. He's a naturopathic doctor, holistic doctor, if you will, and he's explaining how climate change, and global unrest can impact our physical and spiritual beings. What are your thoughts? You want to join this discussion, reach out to us at 800-450-7876. Before we go back to Dr. Tase, though, let me just remind you, come up later this morning, we'll speak with one of our griots, Professor James Small will be here. Also later this week, we're going to speak with investigative reporter Greg Pallast, and also civil rights activist out of Baltimore, Carl Snowden will be here as well. So if you are in Baltimore, make sure that radio is locked in real tight on 1010 WLB, or if you're in the DMV, the Washington, D.C. Metropolitan Area, around 1450 WOL. 01:23:45 Speaker 6: Dr. 01:23:45 Speaker 2: Tate, I'll let you finish your thought, and then Angela in Washington, D.C. has a question for you. 01:23:51 Speaker 8: Okay, I'm going to do this quickly. We talked about the pineal gland and pineal and pituitary gland. Remember I mentioned about the A-E-I-O-U sounds, okay? The sound for the pineal and the pituitary gland is RA, R-A. It's like the Egyptian rah. And it goes rah. And then for the naval area, for that prenatal,

postnatal cheers, that sound is M-A, ma, the feminine sound. Mah. And before I talk with this caller, Egypt used to be called Kemet. Kemet was an empowering and healing sound, which is one of the reasons why it was on. because it was an empowering sound that awakened all the energy points or portals in our body, whether it was the pineal, the pituitary, the heart, the throat chakras and stuff. The sound helped us ground ourselves as well as the other things that I mentioned earlier. 01:24:57 Speaker 2: 13 away from the top. I mentioned Angela's wedding for us in D.C. She's on line three. Grand Rising, Angela. You're on with Dr. Tate. 01:25:07 Speaker 10: Grand Rising, Mr. Nelson and Dr. 01:25:08 Speaker 8: Tate. 01:25:09 Speaker 10: I'm really enjoying this conversation. 01:25:11 Speaker 6: Dr. 01:25:11 Speaker 10: Tate, my question is, can you talk more about the Gullah Geechee people? Because I noticed that a lot of publications are talking about the fact that the Gullah Geechee know how to cultivate plants and they have a wide knowledge of herbs and that they know how to feed themselves regardless of whether there's drought or plenty rainfall. 01:25:38 Speaker 8: Yeah, well, see, they're more connected to the earth. And it's interesting, one part that comes to my mind is like, remember when we were growing up and we said a prayer before we ate? Remember that, right? Okay. Well, there's certain thoughts and certain energies that you can apply before you start to eat or before you start to do anything. that empowers and builds that energy and helps with digestion, helps with healing, helps us connect with our ancestors even better. And there are a lot of cultures, not just the Gullah people, that connect you to the earth, and we have not lost that connection. Can I answer your question for you? 01:26:30 Speaker 10: Yes, thank you. 01:26:31 Speaker 2: All right. 01:26:32 Speaker 8: Okay, can I ask you a question? Sure, go ahead. Okay. Are you doing any breathing exercises? 01:26:42 Speaker 5: Breathing exercises? Yes. 01:26:44 Speaker 10: I was told by my allergist to take 100 deep breaths every day. 01:26:49 Speaker 9: Okay. 01:26:50 Speaker 8: Now, basically, and I'm going to say this for you and then anybody who's listening, basic abdominal breathing, when we inhale and we raise our chest and we exhale and we come down, that is called shallow breathing. When we inhale and expand the stomach and the abs, and we exhale and don't tighten it, let it relax, we get several times more oxygen from our diaphragm to our lungs, from our lungs to our heart, and from our heart to our blood. And that abdominal breathing is arrhythmic breathing. And then every other breathing you learn from that is connected to that. That's another part of empowering your body, empowering your mind, and empowering your spirit. 01:27:34 Speaker 10: Okay. 01:27:35 Speaker 5: I'll remember that. Thank you. 01:27:37 Speaker 8: Okay. You can get my number if you have any questions, and we can go into more detail about the color of people, okay? 01:27:46 Speaker 5: Okay, great. 01:27:47 Speaker 8: Okay. 01:27:48 Speaker 3: And, Dr. 01:27:49 Speaker 2: Tate, having said that, though, because you're a holistic doctor, so you have patients that you treat patients when they come in. How do you diagnose them that some of the illnesses or some of the issues they have is actually related to what's going on? the global unrest that's going on, or the fact that the climate change? How do you diagnose it? 01:28:13 Speaker 8: Well, one of the beauties about our body is that whatever is going on in the inside of the body, it shows on the outside of the body. Okay, like if you see somebody with darkness under their eyes, that's kidneys. Yellowness in the eyes and the skin, that's liver. nails that are soft or brittle, that's vitamin D or calcium, that's missing from the nails. But then dealing with the emotions, there are certain ways people walk or body language. There are certain colors on the skin, especially around the pineal and pituitary glands, around the temporal areas. There's ways that I can tell. what's happening with the person physically and emotionally and spiritually, beyond just the regular things like you're drinking enough water, you're eating right, you're getting good bowel movements as you exercise and stuff like that. I can see it in people's eyes and sound and their voice and the vibration in their voice that they've been bombarded with destructive energies, whether it's at work or at home or just What's happening with the climate and stuff. I can see that in their skin. I can see when their skin is not breathing right because the skin and the pores are clogged. That affects the body and affects the mind and affects the emotion. And then I hear it in the sound in their voice. In their voice and there's certain sounds that tells me a lot about what the person is being bombarded with. Beyond all the just the physical stuff. 01:29:54 Speaker 2: All right, Ed, away from the topic. You mentioned skin. I got a tweet question. For your tweet, it says, please ask your guest about hyperkeratosis and parakeratosis, how best to treat that condition. 01:30:06 Speaker 8: Well, one thing is that you've got to get more water in the system. Secondly, you've got to calm the nerves down, and that's through doing things like chair tachi or chair yoga and involving more of the breathing exercise that I mentioned. And then you've got to get the pores to open in the skin. You've got to get the skin to sweat. That may be not just through exercise, but between steam rooms or saunas. I like steam rooms better because it opens up the pores. Then you've got to deal with skin brushes to open up the skin. And then the biggest thing is the blood and the liver because whatever shows on the outside of the skin, It has an indication of what's going on in the inside of the body. And the first three areas that you look at is the bowels,

the liver, the skin circulation. Because when those start to slow down and the bowels are not moving and the blood's not circulating, then the body, out of self-defense, is trying to throw impurities out through the pores of the skin. And that's not the way stuff should be thrown out of the skin. Excuse me, let me rephrase that. That's not how the body needs to cleanse. It needs to cleanse down and out, not out through the skin. And then the environment and the pollutions in the environment mixed with the poisons coming out of our body creates a lot of these problems. 01:31:35 Speaker 2: All right, six away from the topic. I got a shout out for you from Sister Sherita Zaid. You know, Dr. Goss's daughter, she's in Ghana these days doing what you do, holistic practicing in Ghana. She just wanted to say hello from Ghana for you, Dr. 01:31:49 Speaker 8: Tate. Hello. 01:31:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's listening. She didn't call in. She's just listening. 01:31:57 Speaker 8: Oh, okay. Well, I just wanted to say I'm honored to know that you're on the call. And at some point, let's connect, even if it's by email. or overseas call or something like that. I'd love to share what you're doing and what I'm doing and compare notes and do a five-side chat. So I look forward to that, okay? Kyle, can I get my email and phone number now? 01:32:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can do it now, and we'll let you do it before you leave. And I got another tweet question for. 01:32:31 Speaker 8: You, but go ahead. Phone number best to get me would be 404-435-9336. And my email is drtates, which is D as in David, R as in Roger, T-A-T-E-S, Dr. Tates, the number four, and the letter U like umbrella. at gmail.com. You know, so this is not, for everybody who's listening, feel free to call me, email me, and sister, I'm looking forward to having a conversation with you soon. 01:33:04 Speaker 2: Right, and Dr. Tate, all these Hollywood types, they call him up, they have him on speed dial, they get a hangnail, they're calling Dr. Tate. For years, I was calling him Dr. Tate, but his actual name is Dr. Tate, there's an S on it. Somehow we left off the S. But Dr. Tate, Tate's Tweet question for you. Tweet says, ask him if single nostril breathing is beneficial. If you breathe just through one nose, is that beneficial as well? 01:33:29 Speaker 12: Yeah, absolutely. 01:33:30 Speaker 8: There's still like dozens and dozens and dozens of breathing techniques. And I know what she's probably talking about. When you inhale and you close that nostril, exhale through the other nostril, I mean, there's two or three different kind of nostril breathing, and that helps in that deeper cleaning. First step is getting that abdominal breathing going because every breathing, the nostril, cleansing breath, breathing, is based on that nostril breathing. Excuse me, on the abdominal breathing. And then the nostril breathing is just an aspect of that. But keep doing it because it's very effective. 01:34:11 Speaker 2:

You know, some people poo-poo that. They just, you know, because it's sort of natural just breathing. But you're saying that this is something we should itemize and make it sort of a ritual for us each and every day? 01:34:22 Speaker 8: I would say yes, yes, and yes. I would say 9 out of 10 of my patients I've seen over the years do not know how to breathe right because they were never taught that way. When you have any of you who have had children, and you watch your children when they're in their benefits, you see them breathing from the abdominal area. We learn how to breathe wrong. That inhale and exhale from the nose, the raise in the chest is called shallow breathing. We need to learn how to breathe right because we increase the oxygen to our body. Like we always heard, the highest is the primary pump for the body. Well, the lungs and the oxygen are the primary pump for the heart. And the more oxygen we get into our system, the more it creates this oxidation or burning process that burns waste out of the cells in our body. There's, oh, dozens and dozens of breathing techniques, but we need to learn how to breathe right first because otherwise we create problems. heart problems, respiratory problems, cardiac problems, memory concentration problems. One of the things that contributes to Alzheimer's and dementia is sleep deprivation, dehydration, oxygen deprivation. Hold that thought right there, Doc. 01:35:43 Speaker 2: Hold that thought right there. I'll let you finish your thought on the other side. And also, I think Gregory mentioned you quite a bit. We'll talk about that as well. Two minutes away from the top there, our family with our guest, he's a holistic doctor, Stephen Tate's out of Atlanta. Got a question, a health question, reach out to us at 800-450-7876, and we'll take your phone calls next. Thanks for starting your week with us. Two after the top there with our guest, the holistic Dr. Stephen Tate out of Atlanta. 01:36:20 Speaker 6: Dr. 01:36:20 Speaker 2: Tate, I'm going to let you finish your thought. When we get back, though, a question or a comment from Dick Gregory, your close friend, told us about breathing, but he says it's always best to do the breathing exercises in the morning before all the pollution, all the trucks come out there and pollute the air. You get the good air early in the morning. I want you to comment on that as well. Finish your thought, Frank. 01:36:38 Speaker 5: Yeah. 01:36:40 Speaker 8: It is important to, well, it's important that you do the proper breathing all day long, but you have to retrain the body. And the first thing in the morning when the air is clearer, that works. Some of you that might live in cold climates where the snow comes down, because when it snowed here one time, I think it was last year or the year before, I went out because the air was fresh. I just sat out there. 01:37:05 Speaker 7: It was cold. 01:37:05 Speaker 8: I just went out and did that breathing to increase that oxygen. But you want to make sure that you get that first thing in the morning. But then here's the thing. 01:37:14 Speaker 5: When you do. 01:37:14 Speaker 8: Abdominal breathing and you're inhaling and exhaling through the nose, the body has a filtering process that keeps some of those impurities out. And then there's cleansing breaths. Like if you're out in pollutants and stuff, when you've learned how to do the abdominal breathing right, then you can do it faster and faster and faster and faster, and it will throw out a lot more impurities a lot faster out of the body. So there are different kinds of cleansing techniques. doing the breathing and i want to add one more thing in that one of the things of all else fails and you need to deal with your health the right way or you're trying to balance the energies in your body doing liquid fast while you're doing the breathing and the exercises is also a phenomenal technique which people can call me i can help guide them through that if necessary And. 01:38:02 Speaker 2: That liquid fast, when you say liquid fast, is it just water, or what is it? What's the liquid? 01:38:10 Speaker 8: Well, liquids, you know, a lot of people say, well, you're not on a fast unless you do a water fast. Well, you can be on a fast on betrothal, and it will kill you, because technically you're still on a fast. Because the society we live in, because of the things we have to do, it's not just water. It's water, vegetable juices, fruit juices. herbal teas, protein shakes if they're clean protein and stuff like that. You want to look at a lot of different healthy liquids in the body so the body can help accelerate the cleansing but not drain the energy out of the body at the same time. Because if you do just water and you're not experienced with that, it can sap your energy and defeat the purpose. When you're starting, and I can guide people through that, when you're starting, you want to do a lot of liquids, but there's a process of preparing, doing, and ending the fast that you need to know. But it's dealing with a lot of liquids because then with that, you're getting several times more nutrients in your body that exalts from the bloodstream into your body, doing liquids, when you need to do a quick cleanse or you're going through health issues to be guided to help accelerate that healing process. But then the other part is that's the physical. We've been talking about connecting with the earth, connecting with our ancestors, connecting with the energy. Fasting is one of the quickest ways when it's guided right to do that kind of process along with the healing sounds and the breathing and the water and the exercise. 01:39:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, but, you know, back to Dick Gregory again, and shout out to Ray Fornfroy. He said to say hi. He's listening in Miami to us this morning. But, Dr. State, Dick Gregory says we should always take the water as room temperature. Agree, disagree? And if so, what kind of water should we be

doing if we do the water fast, the liquid fast? 01:40:01 Speaker 8: I agree with the fact that it needs to be room temperature. I mean, cold water, you know, if you're out in the desert or something, you need to cool the body, but not as a regular thing. Room temperature, the body absorbs the water better. And when it's cold, the body has to warm it up first before it starts to absorb it. So you kind of defeat the purpose. So it should be room temperature water for the most part. 01:40:27 Speaker 6: All right. 01:40:27 Speaker 2: Six out of the top. Professor James Small is on deck. We'll get to him in a moment. Charlie, I've got a tweet question for you. Oh, this question is from Brother Ray. Please ask Dr. Tate about peroxide therapy. 01:40:38 Speaker 8: Hydrogen peroxide therapy. that is especially the pure hydrogen peroxide not the one you get in the stores that has been used for cancer treatments that is something that has to be really guided on because hydrogen peroxide treatments when done wrong can be dangerous to the body but guided right in a small portion it can help in accelerating that cleansing from the body I'm assuming that's what he's thinking about as far as hydrogen peroxide treatments. 01:41:14 Speaker 2: All right. Listen, before we let you go, how can folks reach you, Dr. 01:41:17 Speaker 3: Tate? 01:41:19 Speaker 2: Okay. 01:41:21 Speaker 8: My number is 404-943-1171. I left my email address, which is drtates, D-R-T-A-T-E-S, the number four, and the letter U at gmail.com. And when you call, mention you heard me on the Kyle Nelson show. I can help guide you through fasting. I can guide you through the breathing technique. I create programs specifically around you, your body, your mind, and your spirit to help accelerate connection with the earth and our connection with our self and with our ancestors. 01:41:57 Speaker 2: Good for you. And thank you for the work that you've been doing all these years, Dr. Tate, all these years. I mean, decades now you've been out there doing this, doing what you're doing with holistic doctors. I mentioned a lot of the rich and famous athletes and the tennis politicians. They have them speed down. You get a chance to talk to him again this morning. So, again, I just want to thank you for all the work you've done. And thank you for sharing your thoughts this morning, Dr. 01:42:20 Speaker 3: Tate. 01:42:20 Speaker 8: And just quickly, November, I'll be celebrating my 75th birthday. 01:42:26 Speaker 2: All right. Congratulations. 01:42:28 Speaker 8: Yes, I've earned every one of those years. 01:42:31 Speaker 2: I know. All those revolutions around the sun. Thank you. 01:42:36 Speaker 13: All right. 01:42:37 Speaker 8: Thank you, my brother. 01:42:38 Speaker 2: All right. Speaking about birthdays, the next person that just had a birthday, I'm going to say belated happy birthday, Professor James Small. Welcome back to the program. 01:42:46 Speaker 3: I have to tell you, Noah, I'm in my third day of

reducing fasts. Just trying to do a cleansing. She's on it. 01:42:59 Speaker 2: All right. And you just celebrated a birthday as well. 01:43:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, my 81st revolution around the big rah. So I'm feeling good. I'm feeling like 81 is a good time to be around. So how have you been doing? 01:43:22 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm still learning, Professor Small. I try to do that each and every day at each of the single thing that the issue confronts. You know, you're supposed to learn from everything. So that's what I'm, you know. 01:43:33 Speaker 3: But you've got to observe that you're learning. 01:43:35 Speaker 2: Every day. That's what I'm trying to do. But anyway, let's start out, you know, analyze. We're talking about we've got elections coming up next week. And there's a whole bunch of folks that are undecided. How do you, you know, at this point in time in America, you don't know who to vote for or what issue to support? Yeah. That question of. 01:43:58 Speaker 3: Being undecided or saying we have nobody to vote for, we have somebody to vote for ourselves. And you've got to use the tools that's available. And I want to open up to a lot of my comrades because sometimes we use this word progressive. of socialism as a reason. This is not a socialist society. And from the looks of it, it won't be in the long run. We are in an electoral democracy in the United States of America. The tool for gaining political power without doing it by arms, and we tried that in the 60s a little bit and got our ass whipped. And we know that that's not a way forward at this point in history. The doors that allow you to gain political power is both economically married to voting rights. and electing the people who determine your destiny. From the school board election to the city council election to the area policy boards and how land is used in your community election to your state official election to your governor's election to your national election. That's how you determine whether you have power over yourself politically. And to say you're not going to do it or you don't know what to do, we've had a history in this country struggling around the issue of voting for more than 300 years. And we've been one of the most successful ethnic group in the world in acquiring access to power through electoral politics of any ethnic nation in the world. And everybody takes advantage of it. And so we need to study, you know, I would say, learn history, erase the mystery. And then there's the question of sacrifice. That bullet that Medgar ever took to his heart, that was sacrifice. That bullet Dr. King took to his face, sacrifice. The nine Malcolm took to his chest, sacrificed. Malcolm didn't say the bullet. He said the ballot or the bullet. And in that speech, he described the importance of organizing and using the ballot. And so we need to be clear that this political process in America is how you gain power over the economics, politics, and culture in the area you live in.

Not being involved in it, meaning you acquiesce your access to having power over your daily life and to be in control of your destiny. I think that's the best way I can put that, Brother Carl. 01:46:41 Speaker 2: Well, you know, when they come to me with that conversation, I say part of the problem when you look around our community is that we don't, you know, the hood, if you will, we don't want to live like that. And they don't blame the victim. The reason is that you don't vote. So when you don't vote, the other folks vote and they vote to make sure their schools are better. They get better teachers, better books. And their children get better education. 01:47:04 Speaker 3: They control the police departments in their community. They control fire departments in their community. They control sanitation and how it's done in their community. Voting is the way you reach the halls of power. It's one of the major ways in the United States of America. Now, in other countries, they have other methodology. But reality is we're in the United States of America. And the pathway to controlling your city council that determines all of the privileges and rights and the use of your tax money in your municipality, you've got to elect people to run that city council and the mayor. In order to control your school board, because it's so ridiculous, we look in areas where there's all black children in the school population, or at least 90%, all the teachers, nearly 90% are black, and we can't get black history in the schools. That is a question of who you have running your school boards. And those people are elected. And it is your responsibility not only to elect people other people put up to run, but to decide who you want to run for those jobs, even if it's yourself. And so the question of voter education is still a big question in our community. Voter education. Every time I open my mouth, I try to do some voter education. We must learn how voting is done. You must learn what are the municipal laws concerning how one gets elected to offer. What are the voting laws at your municipality? What are the voting laws at your state level? Learn those rules and regulations. How do you get on a ballot? How do you get petitions to do petitioning to get permission from the community? political office or an office that runs one of the boards that runs your community. That's basic voter education. And our people fought for this. Tens of thousands died and was crippled and injured for this over centuries. This is not some game. And when you think of Ms. Fannie Lou Hamer, think of her being raped in that jail cell. Think of her being beaten so badly she lose her vision for this purpose. Think of those that were shot down side the road and shot down in the house, homes blown up in Mississippi and Alabama and other places during the 60s because they thought that we need to get this franchise in order to take political control over the communities we live in. And we didn't start

this fight in 1865, 1965. We started this fight back in the 1600s. You know, 1887, we were already fighting for our rights. 1820s, we are out there fighting for voting rights. This is not something new. We forced this nation to be a democracy to the degree at which it is. And then to make a decision you're not going to participate in it? That becomes an insult to our ancestors and to ourselves. 01:50:13 Speaker 2: And also you're financing your own demise because they take your tax money, build a better school, as you mentioned, better services. And their children have a better education and come around and do the same thing to your children. That's where you've got to break the cycle. This is what you've got to stop. Because they're using your money to make better schools, better education, better teachers, better books. And that you give that better education, go to a better college than your child comes back and does the same thing to your child. We've got to break that cycle. And this is one of the ways you can do it. 01:50:46 Speaker 3: You've got to organize for voter education and voter activity. Because people don't understand elected officials' primary job is to distribute wealth that is gained from tax revenues. That's your money. And you leave the distribution of it in the hands of your enemies. And so I think this little basic education, I don't think most people even understand just that, Carl. They don't understand the role of a city council person. They don't understand the role of a school board person. Well, those people distribute your wealth and make policy to govern your life every day. And you said, I'm not going to vote. I'm not going to determine who governs my life. I'm not going to determine who distributes my wealth that you took 30% out of my paycheck every week, every month I got paid. And so we have to be more cognizant of what this thing called voting is about. It's simply empowering yourself rather than have someone else empower themselves over your daily lives. 01:51:57 Speaker 7: You know? 01:51:58 Speaker 3: And yet we've got... Go ahead. 01:52:01 Speaker 2: Real quick, Professor Small. You know, one of the things to a vote, you got to register to vote. There's so many brothers and sisters in captivity now because they're all white. The panel sent them there. You know, one of the things that Johnny Cochran told me at the start of the O.J. Simpson trial, he says, we got a shot because we got some black people on the panel, some sisters. That was his game. And we're going through the voir dire when you're assessing who's going to sit on the jury. And he says, when he saw this, there were so many sisters. We got a shot to win this. And that's important because if you don't, then the people go before the jury system. 01:52:32 Speaker 3: You can't vote on a jury if you're not registered to vote. 01:52:35 Speaker 2: Exactly. So hold that thought right there, Professor Small. I'll let you expound on that when we get back. We've got to take a quick break at 17 after the top there. Family, you too can join our conversation with Professor James Small. Reach out to us at 800-450-7876. We'll take your phone calls next. And Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week with us. 22 minutes at the top of that with our guest, one of our griots, one of our top griots, as you mentioned, Professor James Small with us. Professor Small is analyzing the so-called undecided voters, folks who say they're undecided. Let me ask you this, Professor Small. Do you think when people say that they're undecided, they really want to vote for Donald Trump, but they just don't want to let you know they're going to vote for Donald Trump, so they say they're undecided? How do you see that? 01:53:24 Speaker 3: I don't think that's so much. I think people have bought into this narrative that neither party is worth anything significant. Neither party has really helped the black community. Of course, that's not true historically. And they look at the party as if it's not people, like it's some instrument someplace that makes these decisions. The party is the people. you can be a part of that party. We have seized almost 50% control of the Democratic Party, if not more. And we have used it pretty well. If you look at the elected officials in Congress at the state level, at city levels across the country, we have used it well. What we need to do more of is to put the foot of our people who we elected to office to the fire and let them know you only get one term to do what I've sent you to do, to represent me and my interests. Most black elected officials operate like when you get elected, you've got a job for life. Look at the history. And so it becomes a part of organizing. Pardon me, Ray used to say, organize, organize, organize. So we need to organize around the best interests of the communities we live in. But make no mistake, the way you come to power, political power, is through voting people into office to handle your rights, to protect your rights, to handle your tax revenue, to distribute it to your community in an equitable way, to determine your educational policies, to determine your municipal policies. So we have to understand what voting really does. It doesn't just put someone in office that becomes a celebrity on the television screen. You vote to put someone in office to protect your interests, to protect your money, to make sure that you're protected by police. We can't have strong police departments if we don't control the municipality where the police are. If you have an enemy, you're outside racist citizenry controlling the police in your community because you failed to elect yourself to those offices. And then you're going to have the kind of abuse that we've been having. You know, and the excuse of black people do just as bad. Yeah, well, you got to give them chance. There's some that does bad and then most that don't do bad. So let's stop playing that little silly

childish game. Let's make sure the way we get control of our community, we get control of the police, we get control of the fire, we get control of the sanitation, we get control of the education. We can only do that if we get control of the people we elect to the political offices and the city council and the mayoralty that runs those institutions. That is simple. That's not calculus. It's not physics. You know, that's basic mathematics. Anything else is advocating. Anything else is giving up to your enemy. And that's simple. If we lived in another country, you would have another process. We live here. This is the process. Let's use it as a weapon. Let's use it as a tool. in order to protect our community, protect our wives, and protect our children, to provide food and clothing and shelter for them. If somebody else is making the rules, then you will not be in control of providing food, clothing, and shelter for your family. You will just be in control of having picket lines and making complaints after the fact. And we've had enough of that. 01:57:22 Speaker 2: Let me go ahead and ask you this question because Dr. Claude Anitz has been telling us for a long time now that we better get our act together. We're a permanent underclass. Last time I spoke to him, he said, we're there. We're a permanent underclass. And looking at the national voting, they're saying the Latinos is the biggest swing vote in the upcoming elections. We're no longer considered monolithic as voting as a class or a group of people because we're all over the place. But the Latino assumption of be more cohesive when it comes to making decisions. Your thoughts about that? 01:57:55 Speaker 3: That's true. We need to become more united around how we carry out our political activities. That comes from organization at the grassroots level in the black community. When I say grassroots, I don't mean people who are on the street. Sometimes we think Malcolm, when Malcolm said grassroots, that Malcolm meant the unemployed or the unemployable. That's not who he's talking about. Grassroots is the black working class. Grassroots is the churches. Grassroots now is the mosque. And so if you're going to organize a community, those elements have got to come together and work together in order to organize a community to take advantage of the voting franchise. See, other people understand the power of voting. The Latino community isn't asking the question, should I vote? They're asking the question, for whom should I vote? we're still asking the question, should I vote? Right? The question, should I vote, means that you're not even participating because voting is the access to power politically in the United States of America. 01:59:11 Speaker 9: All right. 01:59:15 Speaker 2: Hold that thought right there, Professor Small. Christian, why don't you join the conversation? He's out in Malibu, California. He's on line one. Ground Rising Christian, you're on with Professor James Small. 01:59:25 Speaker 6: Good morning to the both of you. I think Mandani has been compromised by the White House. He was talking all that big talk about how he was going to lock up Netanyahu and didn't do it. In the last 90 days, he's been summoned to the White House, and I think Trump has turned him. So I think New York has a problem with the mayor. I don't think he can win again because his word is mute. What do you think about that, sir? 01:59:56 Speaker 3: He should have never won in the first place. Black people operated and run in the most immature, misinformed and uneducated manner when they removed the former mayor from office because they didn't. And Donnie hasn't represent anything consistent to black power or black freedom. And the former mayor brought more black people into the municipal government than anybody in the history of New York. The distribution of the wealth. New York has one of the biggest budgets in the world of a municipality. Those billions, hundreds of billions get distributed to people to do work and contracts with the city and vending with the city. That's what that whole municipal government thing is about. We then gave that back to other ethnic groups and didn't even get one deputy mayor out of the whole thing. Mondani was a media creation. And we fell for the okey-doke again. So I'm not a fan of his nor those that backed him because he shows who he is. Before he came in office, he removed over 200 black administrators. No mayor in the history of New York has ever done that. Moved the administrators. I'm not talking about the appointees. I'm talking about the administrators. And then when he did appoint New York, one of the biggest cities in the country, with a plethora of deputy mayors, he did not come up with one black deputy mayor. He did come up with a school chancellor, and the young man seemed to be well, and they're going after him. Mondani met with Trump before now, right after he got elected, and nobody criticized him. The black mayor met with Trump one time, and he was ostracized until he was out of office. Black people have to take responsibility for what narrative they allow to determine their actions. And there was nothing in Mondani's campaign that said he was going to do anything for black people. And he hasn't. And he won't. Because the people who backed him are the same people that black folks pushed out of office to get the black mayor into office. That black mayor was the only black person in there. Almost all of his deputy mayors were black. His police commissioner was black, even though they overpowered him and pushed out. And so we don't know how to have power because there's a kind of an envy that black people have for other black people in power. And I've been dealing with this political thing all of my adult life. And I've seen them. We criticize people like I see them go after Hassan Jeffries and can't give you one reason why they're attacking him. And then other than that, he took money from the

Israel lobby. Everybody in Congress did. So you should be attacking everybody in the Congress. But this black guy who is destined to be at the top, we seem to go after them. We knew. We may have hoped. that President Obama could have done more. But anybody with any intelligence, anybody involved in politics know that as president of the United States, there are a bunch of limitations. And if you're the black president with a black population with no power and don't understand how politics work, what your limitations are. We need to get involved in the reality of politics in America. Either we use this tool or the tool is used against us. And we're not using this tool in many of our areas, formidably or not. I see in the South, we're using it much better than we're doing in the Northeast. You know, we're electing people to political office. We're looking at the Senate seats. We're looking at the Georgia. We're looking at North Carolina. We're looking at Alabama. We're using the franchise much better in those areas than we are doing in the Northeast and the Midwest. 02:03:56 Speaker 2: Let me jump in here a second. 02:03:57 Speaker 3: Nobody in the Democratic Party of any significance can win any office, no matter what the Latinos are doing. They can't win any office without the black vote. 02:04:08 Speaker 5: OK. 02:04:10 Speaker 3: We are still one of the most significant votes in the country when you spread it across the country. In certain regions, in Texas, and in a few other places, the Latino is raising the power. And especially since they've successfully taken the black people who speak Spanish out of the black race. And we've accepted that and have a struggle around that identity question. One-fourth of the Latino community in America is black people. But America decide that if you're black and speak Spanish, you're not black. And then we play into that. They don't tell the Italians of Italy, you're not Italian, you're not white when you come to America. They do not tell the Frenchmen, you're not white because you speak French when you come to America. No, they become a part of that organizing and voting bloc that determines their power. And we are not involved to the degree that we understand the sophistication of political education. 02:05:12 Speaker 11: Yeah. 02:05:13 Speaker 2: And let me jump in here because Mandani didn't have the authority to arrest Netanyahu. That's one. 02:05:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't. But he's not he's not someone that that came into office with a black agenda in any shape or form. 02:05:31 Speaker 2: Also, he's going to be tested tomorrow because they have elections in Israel, and it's not looking good. You know, he may not be returned. 02:05:38 Speaker 3: I'm praying every day and every night that dog gets out of there, you know, and we get some human beings. 02:05:45 Speaker 2: But here's the deal, Professor Small. 02:05:47 Speaker 5: Dr. 02:05:47 Speaker 2: Karenga says we fix so much on individuals, whether it be Mandani or Kamala or Obama. Instead of– who's doing– what works for us? Who's going to do something for us once they get elected? Instead of what their platform is, we're fixated on the personalities. What do you think? 02:06:08 Speaker 5: Yeah. 02:06:09 Speaker 3: We've got to learn the structure. Call this a question of education. What is a city government? How does it work? 02:06:18 Speaker 7: Who has the power? 02:06:18 Speaker 3: What does the office of the mayor do? What does the office of the city council do? What does the office of the attorney general do? What does the office of the solicitor do? We don't know why we even elected these people. Because the educational process in our community, and we are people who have been struggling around this voting thing for centuries and have been enormously successful getting the franchise, but we don't understand what that franchise is, what powers it gives us. What is the potential if you control city council? What is the potential if you control the mayoralty? What is the potential if you control the attorney general's office, et cetera? That kind of education, we need to do more in the black community. And then organizing people to learn how to vote and how to run for political office. The average person in the black community do not know how to get on a ballot, have no idea. And many of the blacks who are in power, because they want to stay in power, they don't teach that political education to the masses of black people. And I know this for a fact, because I remember certain black people, I won't call names in New York, would throw, if their political club didn't register the people in their political community, they would make sure that went in the garbage and didn't get down to the voter place because they could control the people who they had registered. So we got negative black people doing this. That's why we've got to get educated. Those of us who say we're progressive, progressive isn't just having a rally. Progressive isn't just having a march. Progressive isn't just criticizing America. Progressive means providing for black people the rights to determine economic politics and culture where they live. You do that to electoral politics in the United States of America. 02:08:12 Speaker 2: And Professor Small, one of the issues, too, people say they don't vote because they say reparations is it. If you're not saying that supporting reparations, you can't get my vote. I'm not going to register to vote. Reparations has become sort of a litmus test in the black community for elected officials, whether running for the president or for a dog catcher. Your thoughts on that? 02:08:33 Speaker 3: I say the same thing I've just been saying for the last few minutes. If you don't seize power. municipal power where you live, state power where you live, and you can only do that through electoral politics, you don't even have a conversation. All right? You don't have a conversation. If

the person who's running for office is not saying he stands for reparations, then run somebody who will. But you can't do that if you don't know how to get somebody on the ballot. You can't do that if you don't know how to do petitioning. You can't do that if you haven't studied the state constitution. You can't do that if you don't know the constitution of your city that you live in. So if you say you're a political leader, radical or non-radical, then you ought to know the fundamental basics of the political landscape that you're dealing in. And progressive struggle has to be more than a rally. 02:09:26 Speaker 2: Hold that thought right there, Professor Small. We've got to check the latest news, traffic and sports and that. different cities, and 22 minutes away from the top there. Family just joined us. I guess it's Professor James Small, one of our griots. Got a question about the election. That's what we're talking about today. Reach out to us at 800-450-7876. And we'll take your phone calls after we look at the news. Sports. 02:09:46 Speaker 4: That's next. 02:09:52 Speaker 2: Thank you, family. Thanks for starting your week with us at 16 minutes away from the top there with our guest, Professor James Small. Professor Small is one of our outstanding griots in our community. I got some tweet questions for you, Professor Small. Before we do all of that, though, I just want to remind the family that coming up later this week, you're going to hear from investigative reporter Greg Pallis. He says there's a lot of shenanigans going on again, trying to retarget people going to the polls. He's going to share some of the things we should be doing. Also, civil rights activist out of Baltimore, Carl Snowden, will be with us as well. So if you are in Baltimore on 1010 WOLB, keep that number tight and keep that radio tuned to 1010 WLB. If you're in the DMV, though, in the D.C. metropolitan area on 1450 WOL. Professor Smalls, speaking of Baltimore, Ernest in Baltimore has a question for you. He's on line one. Grand Rising, Ernest, your question for Dr. 02:10:41 Speaker 5: Smalls. 02:10:43 Speaker 9: Grand Rising, Grand Rising. 02:10:46 Speaker 3: Good morning. 02:10:49 Speaker 8: My only comment was when you kind. 02:10:51 Speaker 9: Of said that I don't know, it seemed like you were referring to Black people went with Mondani. But remember, Black people liked Mayor Adams, but Mayor Adams messed himself up. He got indicted for wild card and stealing some money and stuff like that. 02:11:11 Speaker 3: But that's not true. That's what the paper said, and that's what they tried to do, but they didn't pull that off. Only because Donald Trump... I wouldn't have cared if he got indicted, brother. See, that's our problem. I wouldn't care if he got invited. That was our leadership. Let us handle our business. You don't bring your enemy. 02:11:34 Speaker 9: No, you can't just wash that away like that. But my point is. 02:11:37 Speaker 3: I didn't wash it away. He

wasn't the only one in that government. He was one man. There were hundreds and hundreds of other black people in that government. All of them are now out of government. 02:11:52 Speaker 9: I got that. I got that. But I'm saying Allen probably would have still been in there if he didn't mess up. Because let me give you some more examples. We had Sheila Dixon in Baltimore. She got messed up because she was stealing. We had Catherine Pugh was the mayor or governor. She got messed up for stealing. So I'm saying sometimes it's not our fault. 02:12:16 Speaker 8: We vote. 02:12:16 Speaker 9: The black people support and vote for these black people. In some kind of way, they, you know, messed up. That's all I'm saying. 02:12:26 Speaker 3: And I agree with you that if someone is corrupt, you need to remove them from office. But I don't agree with anyone. Let me just show you the simple example. When the mayor of New York, the black mayor, went to Washington, every press in this country attacked him, especially the New York press, especially the Democratic Party in New York. When Mondani went to see him twice before or once before he got elected, immediately after the election, he was praised by the same press, talking about the same president. You see, I understand race politics in New York. All politics is race politics in America. And black people don't understand race politics. 02:13:14 Speaker 9: No, I agree with you, and I'm saying because we know our president is a big crook, and he's still, and people still vote for him. 02:13:21 Speaker 7: One of the biggest crooks in America right now. 02:13:23 Speaker 9: Right, and people support him. But all I'm saying is sometimes they make it harder for us because they get caught. 02:13:30 Speaker 7: I understand that. 02:13:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, they treat them stupid. I understand that. 02:13:33 Speaker 9: They treat white people. 02:13:34 Speaker 3: Okay, that's all I'm saying. But that's not why you would kick yourself out of power, okay? Because getting back in power again for Blacks in New York is going to take decades. Arriving at Adams took decades. And it's going to take decades now. Thanks, Ernest. 02:13:53 Speaker 14: Thanks for your call. 02:13:54 Speaker 2: We've got some more folks who want to talk to Professor Small. But thank you, Ernest. We get the point. Twelve away from the top here. Our brother Carlos is in Waldorf. He's on line two. Grand Rising Brother Carlos, you're on with Professor James Small. 02:14:07 Speaker 12: Grand Rising, my dear brothers and sisters. My brother, I appreciate you. I want to ask you a central question, but I want to say that to me, there's no comparison. Did we see the Willie Horton ad on the national television, national football programs depicting blacks as only thinking about themselves and being anti-white? Did we see the Nolan– did we think about the Nolan Wells case down in Mississippi and the lack of the federal investigators coming in? And do we see the attack on black women across the nation, such as the lady in Virginia, the legislature in Virginia? So my question to you, my dear brother, is when we as a people– say that God is in charge and he'll take care of Trump and the elections and so forth, and therefore we are exonerated from voting. Isn't that stupidity at its highest element, my dear brother? 02:15:29 Speaker 3: Not just stupidity as much as it is. ignorance of social reality and ignorance of the basic theology that we're a part of. Because there's nothing in our theological, even though I'm no longer a Christian, I know the tradition, I have a degree in theology. And what we don't understand is that all tradition says God empowers you. OK, not God ain't been none. One tradition says God's going to come down and do something for you or come up and do something for you. It said it gives you having this understanding, gives you the power, the enlightenment to do these things for yourself. And we are not taught that theologically, unfortunately, in the way it should be taught. But in theology, I don't think it's at the bottom of what our problem is. The bottom of our problem is ignorance of the political process and the purpose. All content Asa Hillier taught us have intent. What is the intent of the political content that makes up how voting produces power in a community? You know, all of those things that you name and all of the things that is happening, that it happens because we're not in control of certain things in the federal and state government. You get in control if you elect your people to those positions and then demand of them to represent your interests. And so if you sit back and say, I'm not going to vote for whatever reason, then you have advocated. to your enemy, the powers over your destiny, politically and economically, because you can't separate the two. 02:17:21 Speaker 12: I agree. You know, the Christian nationalists, the white evangelist churches, preach politics. 02:17:31 Speaker 7: Absolutely. All day. 02:17:34 Speaker 12: But the blacks do not even tell the people that they should go for the soul to the polls. at the end of their congregations anymore. And so that's, I think, something that is lacking in our community. Thank you for commenting, my dear brother. 02:17:52 Speaker 3: I appreciate you. 02:17:53 Speaker 5: Bye. 02:17:53 Speaker 3: Thank you, brother. I appreciate you. And you're right about that. In our churches is where most of our people come together as an organized unit in the country once a week. And so there's an enormous influence that the church can have over the voter education process of our people. And it used to be the power for doing that used to reside in the churches. It no longer does. And I think that's one of the things that our black citizens need to demand of our black clergy, that we become more organized. Because the concept of separation of church and state in America has always been an illusion. It's never been a

fundamental reality, and we are acting like it's a reality. No, we need to use the occasions. When you go to synagogue on Friday or Saturday, they're not just talking about Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They're talking about the community and the economics and politics and the culture. When you go to the mosques that have been established in this country in large measure by the Arab community and the Pakistani community, they're not just praying five times. 02:19:07 Speaker 7: Okay? 02:19:08 Speaker 3: They're talking about the politics that affects our people. Matter of fact, the purpose of the Friday service, and I was an imam for 18 years, the real purpose of the Juma service has nothing to do with religion. The Juma service on Friday is when you come together to discuss the politics of the community. And so there are a lot of things we need to learn about how to socialize and educate our people. And the one place where we have all our people sitting down together, is on Sundays. And our people have master oratory and rhetoric. Then use your mastery of oratory and rhetoric without violating what you think is your religious protocol to tell people what is their political responsibility to their families. 02:19:56 Speaker 2: Six away from the top there. We've got some tweet questions for you. Let me do one of the tweets. And the tweeter says, Professor Small, I know you mean well trying to get these people to vote But it's exhausting. Every day you are begging them to have a voice and look out for them and their families. History has proven that one vote really counts. Your thoughts? 02:20:17 Speaker 3: And I agree with the person, and I've never missed voting since I was 18 years old. Me and my wife were just discussing last night what day we're going to vote. When I was in my most radical, gun-toting, bomb-making status in the black community, I still voted. Because Malcolm X explained in the ballot and the bullet what that's all about. Because I know some people like to use Malcolm as a reason why we shouldn't vote. No, you got the wrong character. You need to listen to what he instructed us to do. And he instructed us to learn how to use the voting power to elect the right people to office to govern our communities. And there's no way around it. Somebody governs your community every single day. Somebody determines how your tax money gets spent every single day. Somebody determines what municipal services you get every single day. Somebody determines what the health care in your community is going to be every single day. Somebody determines what's going to happen with the prison system police every day. Shouldn't that person be you? And the only way it's going to be you if you take control of the electoral politics where you live. 02:21:33 Speaker 2: And that's in a nutshell, four away from the top of the hour. Mark in Baltimore has a question for you. He's on line one. Grand Rising Mark, your question for Professor Small. 02:21:44 Speaker 13: Hey, Grand Rising guys. 02:21:46 Speaker 6: Hey, Mark. 02:21:49 Speaker 13: My question is, and then I want to say something real quick about Sheila Dixon and, you know, Stephanie, I mean, Captain Pugh, because I live in Baltimore. And, you know, my question is, why do we have to beg people to vote, Carl, when they have the Senate, the House, the presidency, and 99% of the time, the. 02:22:18 Speaker 13: Supreme Court. And look where we're at. 02:22:21 Speaker 3: White, black, Hispanic, everybody. 02:22:24 Speaker 13: And Sheila Dixon right now, she didn't get... What happened is she mismanaged $ 600 worth of gift cards or something. But anyway, she paid the price for it. And she would be mayor right now in Baltimore if more people would have came out and voted this cycle. 02:22:45 Speaker 11: People.... 02:22:47 Speaker 13: Baltimore legends, and you know the lady out, she was in Congress. She up a lady, I can't think of her name, but a senator. And she came out, and legends in Baltimore came out for her. Captain P wasn't stealing money from the city. She got in trouble about a book she wrote and stuff like that. So we're going to tell the truth. Let's tell the truth. We got to vote our answers in 2026. Get all that back in the day. Thank you. 02:23:17 Speaker 3: And I agree with you. 02:23:18 Speaker 2: And hold that response, Professor Smallway. I'll step aside for a few moments and check the traffic and weather in our different cities. I'll let you respond to what Mark just said when we get back. Family, you too can join our discussion. Reach out to us at 800-450-7876. And we'll take your phone calls next. Thanks for rolling with us on this Monday morning with our guest, Professor James Small. Professor Small, I want you to respond to Mark's question he posed right before the break. 02:23:56 Speaker 3: Well, the response is a simple one, that we need to learn how to maintain power. You do not give up power because one of your members have made a mistake or has proved corrupt. Find a way to remove that member but maintain your power. In New York, we gave up power across the board without replacing anybody. And because the enemy, the same newspapers and media as we call our enemy, when they attack black people we don't agree with, we suddenly think that's our friend. without having an understanding of what newspapers and radio stations and television stations do, they are owned by individuals and corporations and people with points of views. And they're used to determine the strength of those people and their points of views. And we allow ourselves, if somebody tells us that Professor Small got a second life hidden someplace, all of a sudden, 60 years of work is thrown in the garbage can. Because our enemy tells us to do that. Instead of understanding what is the issue with our elected officials. New York made a big mistake. A massive, the black community made a massive black political mistake. And nobody had the guts to say it, even those who

supported Mandani in the beginning and now realize that our community has been left out of the equation. But they won't come out and say anything because they're too progressive. They took their progressive stand. Well, I don't operate as a progressive. I operate as a black man. 02:25:42 Speaker 7: All right. 02:25:42 Speaker 3: We're concerned about black families. and concerned about the Black community having what the Black neighborhood needs to protect the Black individuals that live in those neighborhoods and communities that run those families. That's my concern. And all those other little labels don't matter. 02:25:58 Speaker 8: All right. 02:26:00 Speaker 2: I got a tweet question for you since we're talking about Mandani. The tweet says, please ask Professor Small about Mandani's first ever citywide racial equity plan focused on disparities between white and Black New Yorkers with the Mayor's Office of Equity and Racial Justice, led by Chief Equity Officer and Commissioner Afua Atamensa to address historic wrongs. 02:26:23 Speaker 3: No matter what label they give to, we've had the same kind of office before. We had equity. We had Black people in power. That's what equity looks like. You don't remove Black people from power and then set up a committee about Black and white equity. We've been trying to have Black and white relationships since this country started. Integration is not our agenda. It should never have been, and it should never be. White people are taking care of the interests of their communities because they live in communities. Latino people live in separate communities. They're taking care of the interests of their communities. Asian people live in separate communities. They're taking care of the interests of their communities. And if you're not taking care of the interests of your community, you can have all of that equity discussion you want to have. We've been having it for hundreds of years. It's nothing but a diversion. That's what destroyed our desegregation movement in this country when some people came with the slick idea of integration. And it has never existed. It didn't exist. It don't exist. Matter of fact, some of them have to destroy us from the Brown versus the board and a few other cases that we are taught to loud. You better look at the destruction it brought. History will erase the mystery no matter who puts the mystery in your eyes. So I don't care about whatever. office, and I don't think black people should care that they have about any equity in New York. We had equity. Elect your people to political office. That's how you get equity. Put yourself in power politically. That's how you get equity. You don't put somebody else in power and then beg them to give you equity. All right. 02:27:59 Speaker 2: Eight after the top. Bob is joining us from Buffalo. He's on line two, Grand Rising. Bob, you're on with Professor James Small. 02:28:07 Speaker 5: Blessed love family. Greetings, Professor Smalls. 02:28:11 Speaker 7: How do you assess? Yes, sir. 02:28:13 Speaker 5: How do you assess and how do we address? the unchecked use of force that is on the streets now in terms of these armed mask agents under ICE or whatever other title you could put it, and the prevalence of people who are being found hung throughout this country. How do you assess it, and how do we address the unchecked use of force against us? 02:28:39 Speaker 3: The first thing we do is investigate it and how much of ICE use force is against us. We confuse our struggle with other people's struggle, and other people never confuse their struggle with our struggle. We should be humane, and we should show humanity and justice for everyone, because we are always asking people to show it for ourselves. But we should stop getting confused when people who have betrayed us and betrayed themselves and put Trump in office got turned on, and then we act like the victimization process. I should be eliminated. It was voted into being. ICE came into being after 9-11. ICE is no more than a military arm of the presidency. Congress have a right to vote it out just like it voted in. So that's not even a question. They're criminals. They're former, mostly white and Latino military personnel officers. who've been serving overseas and cannot find a job anyplace else. They would have been druggies and bikers for the most part if they didn't go to ICE. And so the Congress should abolish ICE. ICE was never needed in the first place. You already had police departments to do the same work you said ICE should be doing. You already had the border patrols who should have been expanded and trained in the formal ways you train law enforcement. So ICE wasn't created to do nothing more than what ICE is doing. You create a private police force that is kind of mounted a brown shirt of Adolf Hitler for the use of the president of the United States to have his own private army that doesn't have to answer to anybody. But just that alone is the reason ICE should be abolished. Then there's a greater question of other ethnic communities that always find it convenient to work with the African-American enemies until that enemy turns on them. That's a question we need to sit down in our community and have with ourselves and what kind of relationships we build with these other communities. Just because you're non-white doesn't make you my friend because the history shows that has not been how other non-whites in America operate. They've always operated as an alliance for the most part with whites. And we keep pretending that's not the history. So we need to have that dialogue with those other communities. Do we have common interests around fighting a common enemy to get political and economic control of the communities we live in? And can we work together? Don't work with my enemy until you get in trouble and then scream for me to come in the streets and get myself killed and in trouble for a person who, again, will side

with my enemy until they get in trouble. That's what history has shown. So let's have a dialogue on that with the other communities. 02:31:35 Speaker 2: Right. And speaking about ICE, he says he's going to send out ICE to the voting booths next Tuesday. If you see some ICE folks out of the voting booths, some people say that's intimidation. 02:31:47 Speaker 3: Then don't be intimidated by anyone. You go to vote, you vote. If you believe you're right, stand for right. Just look at all the people that did from all the teenagers that went with all of the civil rights movement. Most of those were teenagers or young people in their 20s. That's who was getting killed for us. That's who was getting beat up for us. And we can't let them down. And we've been letting them down. And that's not right. That's not even honest as a human being. There's so many people sacrificed themselves so completely. For us, and we are taking for granted and on a whim and a feeling, say I'm not going to vote. The Democratic Party as an instrument hasn't been our best friend, but it's been a better friend than the Republicans. It's been a better friend because we've been able to get in there, thanks to Adam Powell and others that came before us, and do things with it. It's a tool. It's not a human being. It's an instrument. It's an organization that you can use. And until you get your third party, stop talking about let's get a third party. We don't have one right now. Boating is next week. What are we going to do? Use the tool you have. If you're drowning and I bring you a rowboat and you don't know I want a yacht, so I'm going to stay here and drown until the yacht comes up. I'm going to get my butt in the rowboat and make my way to the shore. And that's where we at right now. Use the tools you have. Other communities are using that tool. The Asians are using that tool. The Vietnamese is using that tool, and they just got here, and they're using it better than we do. The Latino community is using that tool. The Haitian community is using that tool, and we are the ones who created the tool and sitting back asking why we should use it while praising the people who are using it successfully. We praise them. They're using it successfully. And then we try and ask other, why should we use the tool? Because it is the tool that's available to accomplish what you say you want to accomplish. And until you put another tool in place, then you use the tool you got. 02:34:09 Speaker 6: Right. 02:34:09 Speaker 2: Because it's just a binary choice that we have right now. And that's what Dr. Smalls is saying this morning. 13 out of the top. Some folks want to talk to you. There's some tweet questions as well. But Dr. Oh, Tony Browder said happy birthday. Belated happy birthday. He's listening this morning. 02:34:23 Speaker 3: Thank you, Brother Tony. Yes, sir. I'm enjoying it, too. Being 81 is nice. 02:34:30 Speaker 1: It is. 02:34:32 Speaker 3: And I had my first great-grandchild, and I was able to hold him for the first time on my birthday. He's a month old now. That was a beautiful thing. 02:34:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it's all about. That's what life's all about. You know, the circle of life. 02:34:47 Speaker 10: Yeah. 02:34:48 Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing that with us, Professor Small. Abdul is calling us from Baltimore. He's on line three. Grand Rising, Brother Abdul. Your question for Professor Small. 02:34:56 Speaker 15: Grand Rising, Grand Rising. Thank you, Dr. 02:34:58 Speaker 8: Small. 02:35:00 Speaker 15: I thank you very much for your comments. You're spot on with regard to ICE and unity. I just have a question and a comment. The question is, you spoke about being an imam for many years. I'd like to know what sect or denomination did... Who were you with as an. 02:35:21 Speaker 1: Imam? 02:35:22 Speaker 3: I was one of the only imam in America voted into office by his constituency. I was the imam of the Muslim Mosque, Inc., founded by Malcolm X. After his assassination, I was elected the imam. I went to Mecca in 1974 and was authorized by the Rabat al-Lim al-Islamim to teach Islam in the West. 02:35:47 Speaker 11: Alhamdulillah. 02:35:47 Speaker 7: Alhamdulillah. 02:35:48 Speaker 15: Very good. Very good. I didn't want to derail your comments because I didn't want to change it. 02:35:53 Speaker 14: Oh, no. 02:35:54 Speaker 3: No, you need to know. Most people didn't know I was the imam because then I wasn't Professor Small or Dame Small. I was Al-Hajj Amin Shafid. And so that's how the world knew me. 02:36:07 Speaker 7: Okay. 02:36:07 Speaker 2: Masha'Allah. 02:36:08 Speaker 15: Masha'Allah. 02:36:08 Speaker 7: Masha'Allah. 02:36:09 Speaker 15: Are you still practicing? Are you still associated with the mosque? 02:36:13 Speaker 1: No. 02:36:13 Speaker 6: No? 02:36:14 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm still associated. The mosque has evolved into a community now we call the Mosque of the Islamic Brotherhood, which was established by Imam Tawfiq, who Malcolm sent to Allah to be trained in Mecca. They have taken over that now. But my position is like the Quran says, seek knowledge from the cradle to the grave, even to the ends of the earth, even as far as China. And so I have a clear understanding of what the Prophet, peace be upon him, message was. And I don't get caught up in the cultures of other cultures that impose their culture as Islamic tradition and law, because I know Islamic tradition and laws. 02:37:05 Speaker 7: Exactly, exactly. 02:37:06 Speaker 15: Thank you very much, Dr. 02:37:08 Speaker 7: Small. 02:37:08 Speaker 15: I did want to mention, though, that I... respectfully, our mosque, the Ahmadiyya Muslim community, we believe in the separation of Ahmadiyya or Muslim Islam and state. It's like the separation of church and state. We do not engage in the politics and our hookers. We believe that the reformation of Islam says it was supposed to use and deploy our religion to make us better citizens. And so

we don't say Democrat or Republican or whatever. And this is why in Baltimore, we feed over 300 people every weekend, been doing that for the last 12 years. And we do other charitable efforts to make sure that our presence is felt. 02:37:49 Speaker 3: And that's a beautiful thing. And I'm familiar with Ahmadiyya communities. We have many in New York and New Jersey. And I understand. But one thing we'd be clear about, Islam isn't just a religion. It was never supposed to be a religion. And it operates almost as a state. But we don't need to have that conversation right now. That's why you can have a sharia. And that's where you can have a hadith, because you're talking about laws and rules that govern certain people's behavior. The Democratic Party is simply a tool. When you go to work, you drive a car. You don't ride a camel or ride a donkey or walk. You get in a car. You get on the train. You get on the plane. Those are modernity to do the same thing, take us from one point to the next point. The Democratic Party or the Republican Party, or we want to call it the show-show-lala party, All its job is to do is to help us get political control over the communities we live in so we don't have the crime and the drugs and the corruption that we have. 02:38:56 Speaker 7: Yes, yes, yes. 02:38:58 Speaker 15: I mean, I mean, before you leave, please share your email so that we can continue the discussion. People want to get in contact with you. 02:39:04 Speaker 5: Thank you very much. 02:39:05 Speaker 7: Yes, sir. 02:39:06 Speaker 3: Peace and blessings. All right. 02:39:08 Speaker 2: Come up on a break. We've got some more folks who want to talk to you. Some tweet questions. Let me share this tweet and then we'll I'll let you respond when we get back from the break. Tudor says, please ask Dr. Small, is it true that blacks have lost 25% of household wealth since 2022? If so, how? And I'll let you respond to that tweet when we get back. Family, you too can join us. You can reach out to us at 800-450-7876 and speak to Professor James Small and we'll take your phone calls next. Thank you, Grand Rising Family. Thanks for rolling with us on this Monday morning. Thanks for starting your week with us with our guest, Professor James Small. You know how to reach Professor Small, 800-450-7876. And again, Professor Small, the Twitter says, please ask Dr. Small if it's true that Blacks have lost 25% of household wealth since 2022. If so, how? 02:40:05 Speaker 3: Yes, sir. Let me just read from the Federal Reserve's tri-annual survey. of consumer finances that was released in October of 2026. I think that'll answer the question. And the caller is right. Medium black household wealth fell by 25% between 2022 and 2025. The key findings and the wealth figure and analysis of the Center of Economic and Policy research of the inflation adjustment Federal Reserve data shows that black households net worth change relative to other demographic groups. So let me show you. Black

households' medium net worth dropped from 49,100 to 36,100. That's a 25% loss. National average, the overall U.S. national medium wealth rose 2% to 2,215,900. The other demographic groups, whites, household grew by 6%. Hispanic households grew by 18%. Asian households grew by 16%. Now, one of the core things driving all of this, the economists attribute this sharp decline to the race previously gained by black during the pandemic. So lower asset values, a drop in asset ownership, meaning ownership of homes and cars, and a lack of diversification. Now, last year, the black community spent in consumer dollars $ 2. 2 trillion. The problem is we spent 95% of that with Asians, whites, and Latinos, and not with black folks. So that 25% that we lost, we could have made that up plus. The other piece is black people who are in business, the average black business folds about 50% folds after one year because they're not being able to be capitalized by the black consumer or by banks in the black community. And so we need to start asking some fundamental questions. If we are serious and we can spend two point something trillion, seven, ninety five percent with the people we say are competitive, then we have a responsibility we have not taken to buy black, build black and develop black, invest in black banks in the communities where they exist. And secondly, we need to take a position that the banks In the communities where we live, where we save our money, if they are not and do not have a history of capitalizing black business, then let's move our money to banks that do have such a history or are willing to do that. 02:43:03 Speaker 7: For our community. 02:43:07 Speaker 2: Here's the other piece, too, Professor Small. All those sisters who got laid off from the government jobs, was it earlier this year or– 300,000 of them. 02:43:16 Speaker 3: And that's included. That's the gain that we're talking about that was accrued during that pandemic period. They don't outline it specifically, the removal of black females from federal jobs across the board. But that's not the main problem. The main problem is black business ownership and growth. Black business have grown by about 10%. in the last two years. But if our attrition is almost 50% after a year, that offsets any growth. And the attrition is primarily because we can't get capitalized, meaning banks won't loan us money. And the other piece of that, we are making money. If you spend $ 2. 2 trillion, the black community have made capital from some place, but you spend 95% of that in other people's business and other people's communities. So the depreciation of 25% is easy to understand just in the light of that. 02:44:22 Speaker 2: And it's going to get worse. The economy is going to go first before it gets better. 02:44:27 Speaker 3: But we can offset that without shopping behavior is what I'm saying, Carl. If you just spent $ 2. 2 trillion and 95% you spent in the other communities, the Latino community, the

Asian community, the white community, and then you understand why. you have a depreciation because your habits and behavior is negative in terms of economic development of the black community. 02:44:54 Speaker 2: Well, the time is now. We've got to get it straight. 28 after the top of the hour, Professor Small. Truth Teller from Cleveland has a question for you. He's on line one. Grand Rising Brother Truth Teller, you're on with Professor Small. 02:45:05 Speaker 11: Hey, Grand Rising Crazy Kevin, Dr. 02:45:08 Speaker 12: Small. 02:45:08 Speaker 6: Dr. 02:45:09 Speaker 3: Small, listen, good brother. 02:45:13 Speaker 11: I agree with everything you say, in theory, right? But I'm one of them brothers, some people might consider me a lowlife, unintelligent. I'm cool with that, whatever they want to say. But I just, at this point in time, I can't vote, and I'm steadfast on that. I'd rather lose my life than go out and vote for these foolish folks. And here's my question for you, Dr. 02:45:35 Speaker 13: Smalls. 02:45:37 Speaker 11: In a city like Cleveland, we didn't have black leadership. Three, four decades. Black everything, man. Majority black city council, black safety director, all that kind of stuff, man. Black mayors, all that. But we still at the bottom. Been the poorest, one of the poorest cities in the nation, either one or two or the top three for almost the last 30 years. The way that the black leadership treat the black folks here, they do dirt to us. And then when the white man want to put they foot on their net, they want to run to us and talk about, come on, vote. See, that's the problem, Dr. Smalls. Here's my take on it. If the higher educated and higher income black folks really wanted the other black folks to really vote and wanted to help them, it's like, do what you're supposed to do when you get in office. You can't keep coming to people saying, vote, vote, vote, and they're going to do this. Brother, if that was the case and our people was doing right, I'd be the first one, Dr. Smalls, in line, because, brother, I've been voting in every election like you since I've been able to vote. But I just can't do it no more, because as soon as we go. 02:46:49 Speaker 3: Voting— No, we're not going to use up more time. You've been very clear. My position, I'll still tell you, even if you put yourself on the ballot, why aren't you running for political office? If the people we have in there are not doing it, then do you and your organization, have you all identified people that will work for our interests and then run them for political office? But you can't advocate the tool that gives you power because some else is misusing it. Remove the misusers and you pick the people you want to run for office. One of the problems. 02:47:28 Speaker 11: That we— That's what I'm preparing to do now because my family's in the past. 02:47:32 Speaker 3: And I support you 100 percent on that because that has to be done across the board because people should not believe they got a job for life when they get elected from the black community and they operate with impunity. You have one term to show that you're going to operate in my interest. You do not show that in that one term I'm going to organize to vote you out of office. And I'm going to do better than that. I'm going to pick people from my ranks that I know that I've worked with to qualify to run for office so that you don't have a chance to run for office. That's what I'm talking about when I talk about political education. Learn how to get on the ballot. Learn what the municipal voting rights laws are. Learn what the state voting laws are. And let us, who are more progressive, coming from what we call, Malcolm called the grassroots, let us use the system and not just endorse those who have learned how to use it. 02:48:29 Speaker 11: Well, let me just say this. I'm following exactly what you say because that's what I'm already doing. As a matter of fact, I'm in the process of finishing this political science degree. Then I'm going to law school. 02:48:38 Speaker 3: Even at my age, I'm in law school. 02:48:41 Speaker 11: But that's all I was saying, Professor Smalls, because you just get tired of it, really. You do. And I know y'all understand. 02:48:48 Speaker 15: I know. 02:48:49 Speaker 11: And it's like these people just ain't doing nothing. But I thank you for taking. 02:48:53 Speaker 12: My call, brother. 02:48:53 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Remember Sister Fannie Lou said she's sick and tired of being sick and tired. But she still went on to change the process to make it work. And that's what we have to do. If it ain't working, change it. And that means if I can't find nobody who can run for my community that can represent my interest, then it's my job to run from that community. 02:49:19 Speaker 1: All right. 02:49:19 Speaker 2: 29 away from the top there. Let's go to Alabama. Brother Everlasting is waiting for us. He's online too. Grand Rising Brother Everlasting. Your question for Professor Small. 02:49:29 Speaker 16: Grand Rising Professor Small and Grand Rising Professor Small. Okay, this is what I want to. 02:49:37 Speaker 7: Say about our tax dollars being used. And to me, this is one of the most. 02:49:41 Speaker 16: Egregious violations ever. Okay, say an officer shoots and kills a black person, okay? Now, you've got this thing called qualified immunity, which, I mean, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life. All the officers I've ever seen in my life, he's justified. This is my opinion. Here comes the ambulance chasers, okay? They're not really concerned with justice as far as getting an officer who committed the violation. All they want to do is have a settlement. Now, here's the thing. 02:50:16 Speaker 7: If they want to have the settlement. 02:50:18 Speaker 16: Why isn't the settlement money coming from the union, the Police Benevolent Association, or the precinct where the police work, or the

police themselves? The taxpayer dollar pays for this. And in some cities, they go to hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayers' money going to some officer that killed a black person. 02:50:39 Speaker 2: Okay? 02:50:40 Speaker 7: I mean, that's just— that' s ridiculous. 02:50:41 Speaker 16: And something has to be done about that, because this has been going on for decades. 02:50:45 Speaker 7: If you added up all the cities all together, we're talking. 02:50:47 Speaker 16: About billions and billions and maybe hundreds of billions of dollars that tax money payers are paying for police officers to kill black people. 02:50:55 Speaker 7: Can I just stay on to hear your. 02:50:56 Speaker 8: Response, please? 02:50:57 Speaker 3: Yes, and my response is simple. I've been saying the same thing all morning. Take control of the politics where you live and you can determine the laws and the rules and the ordinance and the regulations that governs all of the things you just spoke about. But we can't let other people, even if they're other blacks, we have not chosen to run for the political office and we vote for them and they don't change these laws. And they don't change these regulations and they don't change these rules. So we, meaning we, meaning those who are having this conversation, we need to get with others who feel like we do. And we need to run for the political office. We need to learn how this process works so we can run for the political office. Then we don't have somebody else to critique. And that we've been weak in doing that because we trust that because someone came from our community, they would represent our interests. Well, we're sophisticated enough now to know that's not how it really works. You have to have people who are committed to our interests to be running for these political offices. And that means we have to run them because the status quo is not going to run them. The status quo is going to run the people who've been there working in the party, and they think they've earned the right. Well, we may know a brother on the block down the street around the corner who is a greater advocate than anybody the party can put up, and that's the person we're going to run for office and we're going to vote for. And if we can't run him on the party, then we'll run him as an independent. 02:52:30 Speaker 7: This is what we have to tell them. 02:52:32 Speaker 3: Excuse me. 02:52:33 Speaker 16: That qualified immunity issue, okay, I mean, is this— what kind of— I mean, I know you said we have to vote, but it's been in effect for so long, and I can't understand why it's not a massive movement, you know, especially. 02:52:47 Speaker 7: For Blacks, to get that law abolished. 02:52:49 Speaker 3: I know it's hard. 02:52:50 Speaker 16: Because it's in the interest of the police force. 02:52:53 Speaker 5: It's an interest of them, you know. 02:52:55 Speaker 3: But— in our community, and what do we all use to get people to organize? And I'm just

telling you, one of the best ways we can do a march with 10 million people, that's not going to change a law. What we've got to do is tell the person who is in office, if you don't change that law, I will organize that 10 million to vote your butt out of office. But I'm not just going to let somebody else go in there. I'm As you were talking before, we're going to pick who we're going to run for office, and this is his agenda or her agenda. We have to get that involved. We leave too much of it to the professional politician who is not a part of our day-by-day community, and they're just looking for a job for life in politics. And we need to bring that to an end in our communities. 02:53:50 Speaker 2: You know, let me jump in here, Professor Zoll. Thank you, Everlasting in Alabama, 24 minutes away from the top of the hour. Politics and money go hand in hand. And some folks would be surprised, some may not, who are taking money from AIPAC, the Israeli lobby. Do we need to have our own lobby? Do we have our own folks who have money packs, black packs, to support our politicians so they don't have to take money from other folks who don't have our interests? 02:54:17 Speaker 3: That would always be the ideal situation. And we do have black tax all across the country. We just do not have the capitalization that an Israeli lobby has. But that shouldn't be the case. It has to be very clear. If you don't vote for the things we send you there to vote for, we will not vote you back in office, no matter whose money you've got. if that's our policy and our agenda. But we don't have that as a policy and an agenda. We have to get past the criticism to putting together the mechanism of organizing people to remove people from office who did not vote in the black community's best interests. And we could do that, but it requires work. It requires organizing. And we can also raise the money. If we squandered And it's called squandering when you spend 95% of $ 2. 2 trillion with your economic enemies. That's squandering. What else could we have done with that 95% of $ 2. 2 trillion last year? 02:55:36 Speaker 2: Here's the kicker, though, Professor Small. Many of our people don't see them as enemies. We're trying to get as close to them as possible. We're just addicted to those folks. But hold that thought. 02:55:47 Speaker 3: Hold your response. 02:55:47 Speaker 2: We've got to take our last break. 02:55:49 Speaker 3: Right. 02:55:49 Speaker 2: I'll let you respond. And also, we've got a brother in Vegas who has a question for you. Family, you too can join the conversation 22 minutes away from the top there. Just reach out to us at 800-450-7876, and we'll take your phone calls next. And Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week with us. 18 away from the top there with our guest, Professor James Small. Professor Small is one of our top griots and discussing elections this morning with Professor Small. Speaking about elections, later this week you're going to

hear from investigative reporter Greg Pallast. He says a lot of shenanigans going on with the elections. They're trying to get folks not to vote and trying to steal your vote. He's going to explain what you can do. Also, civil rights activists out of Baltimore, Carl Snowden will be here. So if you are in Baltimore, make sure that radio is locked in real tight on 1010 WLB. Or if you're in the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area, around 1450 WL. Professor Small, I'm going to finish responding to the question. I think we were talking about these black packs. You said there's several of them out there. 02:56:53 Speaker 3: They are, but it's not enough. But certainly we can't compete with the international government money. or the national government money that makes up many of these white PACs. It isn't just the Israeli PAC. There are other white PACs that are more powerful than them that's financing white and black candidates. What we have to do is make the decision on how our people who we elected office, no matter who they take the money from, if they don't serve us, we vote them out. They get one term. See, if people understood that we could behave that way, they would stop taking money from other people because they wouldn't need to. But we see them taking the money from the others, voting against our interests, and then we have no power. The power we have is to vote them out of office by voting for someone else to be in office. It's just that simple. But we make it seem complex because we have an enemy, and enemies... who runs the narrative that black people should say, I got nothing to vote for. We created the whole concept of having something to vote for. There was no Asian voter registration movement in America. There was no Latin voter registration movement in America, voter education movement in America. Neither one of those major communities or the white major communities since the 1700s did they have to fight for the vote. We are the one that created this whole dynamic of the importance of voting. And then we are the ones, the first ones to say we are not going to vote because we're dissatisfied with a negative behaving candidate when we should use the vote as we use it to put them in office, use it to get them out of office. And that means you've got to get more involved where many of us who are doing the talking and stuff need to run for political office or back people from your block, from your organization, from your sorority or fraternity to run for political office. And we're not doing that. We're allowing the status quo to give us candidates that look like us instead of us giving them candidates that look like us. 02:59:15 Speaker 2: That's where the white addiction comes in. Hold that thought right there, Professor. Brother, San and Ray, San and Ray, I hope I'm pronouncing your name correctly, in Vegas, San and Ray in Las Vegas. 02:59:29 Speaker 1: San and. 02:59:32 Speaker 3: Ray, yeah. San and Ray. 02:59:34 Speaker 8: San and Ray. 02:59:36 Speaker 14: Happy belated Earth Day and Brother Kwesi. Yes, my question, or I have a question or statement. Really, we don't have, you know, we don't select who runs for office. That's what you've been saying earlier. But our people need to realize that we are at war and that, you know, as a general, or if we have a general position, Speaking for yourself, I mean, speaking for me, for yourself, you know, to me, you're a general, you're a leader, a spokesman for our community and for, you know, people from the African diaspora. Well, with that being said, when a general, and this is something Professor Fox said, you know, about being addicted to white, is that a general gives an order. And right now we're given an order to vote. Whether it's not about any issues or who the candidate is, is that we have to remove the person that's attacking our people. We're being bombarded right now. And so to stop the bombardment, we have to stop them and vote. And vote Democrat or whatever. We have to get them out of office. And it's just that simple. So being a soldier... We have to take the order. We just don't do whatever we want to do. We just got to follow those marching orders and vote. It doesn't have anything to do with who's running, who, whatever political issues they talk about. If it's about reparations, all of that doesn't matter. We have to, in order for the bombardment to start, so we can strategize at the... you know, some of the bombing ceases somewhat, you know, resides, then we can concentrate on more how we can replace the people that are in office that's not doing what we want because we don't select them until we get to a point where we can raise up, you know, a person that support our issues because really we're in this battle by ourselves because we the only race that who is a nemesis to white supremacy. 03:02:09 Speaker 7: Absolutely. 03:02:11 Speaker 3: I'm glad you said that. 03:02:15 Speaker 14: They are all white, no matter when you mention the Viennese, the Hispanics, they register as being white. We have been an opposition to this white man since we've been in this world and in this country. And that's what we got to understand. It's not about— I didn't want to vote last year. I knew they was going to— Trump was going to get in the office because they already had it set up. But now we got to get them out. And so we got to follow our marching orders. It doesn't matter about anything else but voting now. voting to get them out of office so we can have time to recuperate and strategize to defeat this whole system. And how do we go about getting young people, raising them up to get into these political positions so we know who we have, you know, because then they'll deal with whatever our issues are, and that's what our downfall is. So how do we go about How do we go about raising some of our people up into those positions? 03:03:25 Speaker 3: You first start using the tools you have. I agree with you fully that we got to

get these demons out of the office. And I agree that there's no option to voting or not voting. The only option we have is to vote. And we must vote our consciousness in terms of what is in the best interest of black people. And that means that determines who we vote for and who we vote against. And while we're trying to get to that next level, we need to do more. We already have organizations that we don't participate in because we have issues of class and caste. We have churches, tens of thousands of them. We have mosques, thousands of them. We have different clubs, sorority. We have places where our people are already organized and being socialized. But people like you and I, we rarely become a part of these things. And that's where you're going to find the people with the skills you've got to recruit. I'm a part of it. I don't have any problem being a part of Prince Hall Freemasonry. I don't have any problem supporting the different fraternities and sororities when I see them doing good work. And I chastise them when they're doing black work. I don't belong to the Christian community, but there are certain churches in my community that are doing good work and good things, and I will go and volunteer and help them do those things so that I can have an influence on the young people there. And we can form study groups in our families, in our communities, where we're mentoring and tutoring young people and teaching the art of politics, teach how this government works. Teach how electoral politics work. We need to find out what are the voter registration rules for our state, for our city. And we need to teach that to our young people. They don't teach civics in school anymore for the obvious reasons that young people wouldn't learn how the politics work. So wherever we can be in front of young people, especially on the– I use this computer and I use social media. And people look at me and say, oh, he's popular. No, that's not what I'm doing. I use this tool to educate young black people. And they respond. And within five hours of me doing a piece on politics and voting, I had 17,000 people, mostly, I'm sure, black people listening to it. Any of us could do that. You know, so every way, every form of Every forum, every format we can have to educate and teach our people how the system works and how we should work as regards the system, we've got to take advantage of it. 03:06:14 Speaker 2: Let me pop in on this question because you mentioned we've got PACs out there. What about lobbyists? Do we need lobbyists to create a black agenda for us so we know what we're voting. 03:06:24 Speaker 3: For, what we need? Yes, we do. We need to find out what it takes to be a lobbyist. to do lobbying in the capital with all the restrictions and security they got. And we need to come up with groups that can send people to lobby in our interest. We already have 10,000 political organizations and groups, but we have to get past the protest stage. Okay? We have to get

past just having a rally and talking about how bad the enemy is staged. We've got to organize to get involved in the market place where the enemy is. And we've been afraid to take that step. And that's a big step. Lobbying is a big step that we have to take. Forming black packs and expanding it is a big step. Organize our own political clubs in our community with the people who feel like we do and see what we see. It doesn't take much to do an LLC and organize a political club in just a couple of hundred dollars. Okay. and then set as an agenda the control of economic politics and culture where we live and begin to teach that to people through flyers, through social media. The war takes everything we've got. And we can't be afraid of standing next to the enemy. If you're going to fight him, you've got to get close in. You're not going to fight him from a distance. That ain't working. We need to be in Congress. We need to be in the state capitals, not just Congress. Most of our power is not going to be national. Most of our power is going to be at the city level and the state level. If you seize political power at the state level and city level, you can determine what the national level of power is going to be. Because the power is not determined by those people in Congress and in the Senate. It's determined by the people at the state level and the people at the city level who put those people in Congress. All politics is local, is a cliche, but it's real. 03:08:35 Speaker 7: Right. 03:08:36 Speaker 2: I was going to say, it's something like what Charles Barron did in Brooklyn. 03:08:40 Speaker 11: Mm-hmm. 03:08:41 Speaker 3: Yes, and I'm going to be on his show in a couple of days. He's still out here working. And Charles and I go back almost 60 years. 03:08:50 Speaker 15: Right. 03:08:51 Speaker 2: But he showed the way how to control our neighborhoods, how to control your district. 03:08:56 Speaker 3: Yes, he did. Yes, him and Sister Inez, his wife and partner, they showed how to use electoral politics to serve your community. And they've done an excellent job at it. And so we need to study that model. 03:09:12 Speaker 5: Right. 03:09:12 Speaker 2: And he's got a book as a family. Just Google Charles Barron. and his book, I think it's called Power or something like that, but you can get all that information. We're racing the clock here, but I know you're going to take some trips overseas. You want to share them with us? Are you taking groups or are these just family trips? 03:09:31 Speaker 3: No, I'm going to take a family one in December just to take a break and get a rest. But the last week in July– And the first week in August of every year, I'm in Ghana for one week and Egypt for one week. And anybody can reach me at professorsmallafricanworld.com. That's my Facebook page, which is the easiest pathway, professorsmallafricanworld.com. And the last week in July and the first week in August will be spent in Ghana one week and Egypt the other week. And so that's the big thing I'm working on now. I will be spending June in East Africa. I don't have those dates tied down yet. But if you reach me at and I'll be taking groups to both of those sites, ProfessorSmallAfricanWorld.com. 03:10:23 Speaker 2: All right. And Godfather of Harlem, you're a consultant on that TV series. Where are we with that? 03:10:29 Speaker 3: Yes, sir. Well, everything now is in the editing room for this last four hours of where the series will be closed out. It's going to be an extraordinary closing, and the narrative and the story is well told. So we're looking for that to come out in the early spring, or really in the winter, in the early spring. portion of 2027. 03:11:02 Speaker 1: All right. 03:11:02 Speaker 2: Thank you, Professor Small. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us this morning. 03:11:05 Speaker 3: Thank you for the call. Thank the audience. Peace and blessings. 03:11:09 Speaker 12: All right. 03:11:09 Speaker 2: That's Professor James Small, Classy Dismissed Family. And thank you for sharing part of your mornings with us. Stay strong. Stay positive. Please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning, 6 o'clock, right here in Baltimore on 1010 WOLB and also in the DMV on 1450 WOL.