The startups that become really big, really fast are capitalist mutations or ‘Thunder Lizards’ that force the world to react to their agenda. Their founders refuse to accept the world as is and write their own rules, rather than conforming to the systems in place. This is how VC Mike Maples identifies the entrepreneurs he wants to support, the Prime Movers he can serve as not just an investor but a coconspirator.

Mike is the founding partner at Floodgate, a venture capital fund focused on backing Prime Movers before others believe. Mike has been on the Forbes Midas List since 2010, and his investments include Twitter, Twitch.tv, ngmoco, Weebly, and Lyft, among many others. Prior to his career in VC, Mike founded two successful startups of his own, Tivoli Systems and Motive. He earned his MBA from Harvard Business School.

Today, Mike joins us at Boost to share the concept of the ‘Thunder Lizard,’ and explain why he prefers to work with Prime Movers. He discusses how he got involved with venture capital, who he goes to for advice, and his approach to cultivating humility. Mike offers insight around the time value to decision-making and the idea of progress by way of competing alternatives. Listen in to understand cryptocurrency’s potential to make trust free and get Mike’s advice for aspiring VCs.

Topics Covered

The concept of the ‘Thunder Lizard’

  • Great startups = capitalist mutation
  • Force world to react to their agenda

Why Mike prefers to work with Prime Movers

  • Don’t accept world as is
  • Serve as coconspirator (vs. investor)

Mike’s path to venture capital

  • First job as professional calligrapher
  • Involved in two successful startups
  • Visit to Sequoia Capital inspired move to Silicon Valley

Who Mike goes to for advice

  • Father (think big, create value)
  • David Marquardt, Kevin Compton, Bruce Dunlevie & Mike Moritz

Mike’s approach to decision-making

  • Two kinds: 51/49 and 70/30
  • See as product with ship date

Mike’s advice for aspiring VCs

  • Must find top 10 companies in given year, add value
  • Put self in places with high probability of getting lucky
  • Adopt emergent strategy as opposed to deliberate

How Mike cultivates humility

  • Pass on company that succeeds, take founder to lunch
  • Seek opportunities not to ‘breathe own fumes’

Mike’s take on the crypto space

  • Potential to make trust free (vs. expensive intermediary)
  • Decentralized business creates ‘wealth of the commons’

Mike’s insight on the job of technology

  • Bring ‘undecideds’ forward
  • Make case for abundance

The current problem with currencies

  • Manipulated for political reasons
  • No ability to exit = no power/voice
  • ‘Forward progress involves choice among competitors’

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00:00:05go to the movies a podcast your weekly dose of one informative interviews with incredible guests from the latest capital I'm your host Adam draper managing and a fourth generation venture capitalist are you ready to all right today were joined by Mike maples founder and managing director floodgate his
00:00:33funds invest and stuff like Twitter left he has incredible hand writing yeah I I don't know of a news or talk about this but you have incredible hand writing and he reads three books a week which for me that would be ridiculous I read incredibly slowly and inventor
00:00:50of the phrase the thunder lizard which I am thankful for so welcome thank you thanks for having me yeah and he's also from Texas got the accent now before this we're talking about crypto we're gonna get there and get to the sovereign and we'll talk about whatever you
00:01:04want talk about grace all you okay so thunder lizard is that still your main attribute well for looking at deals what thunder lizard gas so a lot of my friends from Austin always like to laugh that this whole thunder lizard thing is recycled content from their point of
00:01:19view because I've been talking about for more than twenty years itself so everybody's like I can't believe he's still talking about this and people still think it's a new thing or that catching on kind of thing the basic idea that I was trying to get at was that
00:01:32great start ups are like a capitalist mutation and I like the metaphor of Godzilla because god Jill was hatched from radio active atomic gags and swam across the ocean and then emerges with an attitude and starts eating trains if their sausage links and swiping holes in buildings and
00:01:49breathing fire on stuff and so I was like you know the start ups to become really big really fast our capitalist mutations in rare events and a force the world react to their gender their strategy and so back when I was a founder at motive are you say
00:02:06what we need to be a thunder lizard and we need to think about writing the rules rather than conforming with everybody else's idea what the rules are and then it just it just kind of stuck when I became a VC and just people seem to gravitate to the
00:02:19concept so I just kept going with it beat you know the essential ideas of never changed and what it meant now you've been talking about prime movers yeah so is this a re brand from thunder lizard prime movers or is it like all the same thing yeah well
00:02:35on some level Adam given me any credit for branding who is giving me too much that would suggest a branding strategy which so far haven't but will twenty years thunder lizard yeah every of stock right accidental brand but so what I started to realize is there's a certain
00:02:52category founder and I like to work with and these are people who don't accept the world for how it is and so left in the early days a lot of people said it was illegal but it wasn't illegal because they were trying to hurt people or break laws
00:03:08there were a bunch of laws that should have been in place in the first place that work crony capitalist laws and so my view is that if you're gonna do something that creates true abundance and makes a huge difference the rent seekers of the world and the entrenched
00:03:23powers of the world gonna fight you and so founders need somebody who believes in them to such a degree that you're more of a co conspirator than an investor and so you know I like to invest in these companies before we really know what the business is it
00:03:38but when the world doesn't believe yet when that there's no parade to jump in front of him were crazy together if the car crashes I go through windshield with them and so like that's just how I roll yeah what led you to start backing true believers I guess
00:03:54yet be or prime mover prime but it was like how did you get into this business yeah so so I would you know I've been involved a couple start ups and they both turned out pretty well so I was on the very early start up team Tivoli which
00:04:05went public and it was bought by IBM and then I started a company with four other folks called motive that company went public it was acquired by Alcatel Lucent and I'd never thought I was gonna be VC I thought that's a different job than what I do and
00:04:19there's no reason to think I'd be any good at it but then I just started to I will what what was your first job first jobs professional calligraphers funny bring up this hand yeah I got interested in Japanese kanji characters and my mom was an art history major
00:04:36and really talented at art and so she took an interest in me learn this and she introduced me to some professional calligraphers and this guy gave me a kit his name is Ken brown I started writing him letters a start publishing in his books it boosted my confidence
00:04:53a lot and so I thought will it be way better to do this is a job than weeding the flower beds or mowing lawns or whatever and so I would fall my mom into town with my calligraphy samples and go to jewelry stores and restaurants and you know
00:05:07it turned out that the more you can charge the better you know you went to the fancy establishments that you could you know your six great kid I'm surprised they haven't listed on your linkedin profile yeah maybe I should put it up I think you got good they
00:05:19are my resume say professional clear for it like it is so many interviews that say prove it as I'm like okay I nine would go yes I mean I have I have seen you take notes and I've only been mesmerized by like the precision I think is the
00:05:34word I would use in I write pretty fast but I guess I just always had a knack for you know not like just the tactile feel of a the way the pen touches paper and stuff there's just something about it that's just really nice yeah so I just
00:05:47some I've always been interested in its you know they say never be good at a bad job and so sometimes somebody'll say Hey could you letter or a hundred invitations for my wedding or whatever and that's like how much that's not what I thought I was signing up
00:06:00for with this hobby no in although you can there's no way they're going to pay me what I think my time is worth right and so but it's overall it's been a fun hobby and it's just there's an artistic subtlety to calligraphy that is not immediately apparent you
00:06:18can just always get better at it there's always a new alphabet to learn there's always more subtlety master and it's the nominee you appreciate faults on only a new level oh sure you're like Verdana it just doesn't crack it for me anymore needed need Helvetica yeah I know
00:06:32and you know I used to drive people kind of crazy because throughout my life that I'd be like okay this is the font I use for everything for all my memos all my correspondence all that stuff because it to me is just like you all have a font
00:06:45that sort of matches your personality my moved out here the one I picked was avenir I like that one a lot that's what is for all my pitch decks phone I said yeah Germany for everything all right the great we don't need to a regular review the whole
00:06:58time that for some of it I just figured I bring it up because it's awesome okay so you worked you were successful the couple companies and then you sort of were thinking I want to help entrepreneurs was that it would it went yeah start ups take a lot
00:07:13out of you and if you're trying to do something significant you got a will that sucker into existence and stick with it for a long time fight and bleed and scrap and scrape and like have all kinds of scar tissue muscle memory of the experience and I just
00:07:26felt like I just didn't have a third one in me at the time and so I was like you know it wouldn't be responsible for me to raise money then I kind of knew I didn't want to be CEO and so I thought okay maybe I should look
00:07:39at venture some people to talk to me about that before and I just thought well I'll just check it out and were you still in Austin I was still in Austin I I thought there's a good chance I'd stay there and I came up here and did a
00:07:50visit and I was in the lobby at sequoia capital friend of mine introduced me to doubly owning and don Valentine while I was in the lobby as always plasma TV and it says Google apple you know they still have a reason in the new out Electronic Arts earlier
00:08:05technologies Cisco and I was like that's when talking about and so I was like coming investor this is where it is and so I just one day decided uses immigrate to Silicon Valley didn't have a job my kids were in school site file every Sunday night and just
00:08:21stay here on Thursday and the goal was just make something happen saw him valley and I just had faith that the dots would for connecting something good would come out of it as a venture capitalist allows startups come to you seeking wisdom assume or advice of some nature
00:08:39it because you start a couple companies because you backed toward her and left who do you go to for advice oh boy a whole lot of people I'm lucky that my dad has given me a lot of good advice throughout life and so my dad used to run
00:08:54products at Microsoft and work for Bill Gates and before that was at IBM and so his perspective has always been you know if you're gonna be a pair be a grizzly and so he's a really good influence for how do you think big but also how do you
00:09:09do it in a way where you're honest and hard working and you're trying to create real value and not just a quick flip burgers quick winner just you know play some confidence game so I talked to him a lot of pride talk him once every week or two
00:09:22in the venture business who was particularly helpful at Dave Marr court August capital nearly days this is a quiet guys were pretty willing to share their ideas early on let's see who else Bruce Dunleavy a benchmark like I think he's one of the best people in the whole
00:09:39business use my flag football coach overly help guide us yeah yeah I don't know what kind of a flag football coach she was but he's a user ID flag football coach he bench me after game three so ya still hold grudges obviously and one of the things I
00:09:55she about him and Mike Meretz independent of some of the advice and when they have time is both of them can really turn of phrase and so Bruce and Mike are both you know sort of artisans of the English language right it's really really interesting I completely agree
00:10:13with like a lot of great venture capitalist it's every word counts sort of like a really smart people I should say I think the same actually about you when we met up you have this way of turning phrases that like I'm like I will and you know change
00:10:27perspective attorney like uses words to change perspective it's awesome is what I want to say well I like what I like about Bruce and Mike is that they craft in the words that they use right you know they just have an appreciation for that I don't know if
00:10:43it helps them be good V. sees but I just I admire anybody with an attention to detail for its own sake but in terms of business advice I'd say my dad I'd say that Bruce Dunleavy and Kevin Compton have been helpful and just keeping my head on straight
00:10:58a lot of our L. P.'s have been really helpful because they've been what are the hardest decisions that you have to make as a venture capitalist I always find it like I think you're building something yeah and the you know entrepreneurs are always building things I think sometimes
00:11:12they don't see the grind behind the venture capital brand or whatever are there some hard decisions that you have to make every day or do you oh yes I am in this is a classic my senior lesson so when I was in high school this is for me
00:11:26well throughout life he said you know in life there's really two kinds of decisions there's fifty one forty nine and seventy thirty and he's like so the first thing you need to do is just get enough facts to decide what kind of decision it is said when you
00:11:38think about it once you know what kind of decision it is you should decide immediately as if it's seventy thirty the problem is not the decision it's your emotional willingness to do the right thing and follow through on the right decision if it's fifty one forty nine flip
00:11:53a coin it almost doesn't matter what you do and so my dad taught me that decisions are kind of like a product it should have us ship date and there's a time value decisions and that having an honest way of heating up the Asian and how you're gonna
00:12:08decide is valuable but also having a deadline ship date I can't agree more I always think of it like loops so I always want to close the loop been left in my brain I have all these open loops that are happening and if you have too many you
00:12:22sort of start I say I called open switches right and it's like start ups get killed because they have a thousand open switches and like all employees are like okay WTF when a we're gonna decide I think that when you're CEO or when you're in a start up
00:12:36you need to have ways to navigate the uncertainty and the ambiguity that are in power yeah and you know realizing there's a time value to decisions I think is a really important I like the visual of like at a big company thousands of people who all have the
00:12:50power of some switches and like they're all getting flipped on off that's right that's right at the end Scott Harmon who is CEO motive he said the purpose of any staff meeting is to identify open switches and clothes and that you know we need to close these things
00:13:03and get to the next thing if you let him linger and they multiply right you know before you know it you're just trapped yeah you got into venture capital through entrepreneur being an entrepreneur are like that doing your own thing venture capitalists thing now that was a thing
00:13:18when I was growing up it was nothing venture capital was like you had those plane what was the good old days yeah plane or was all the time like for a twenty one year old kid who thinks Hey I want to it's weird for me to say twenty
00:13:31when you're a kid but that is eleven years younger than me for twenty one year old kid who's thinking Hey venture capital looks like my type of career what would you suggest for that person yet so first of all I don't really think of venture capital is a
00:13:48career or an asset class I think of it as a lottery game where a small number of people seem to keep getting the winning tickets and so I think that not only is it hard to get a job in venture capital but even if you are in venture
00:14:03capital it is highly unlikely you know success in the start ups is a rare event and there seems to be a small number of people who keep getting attached to these rare events I think you said something on I was listening or Tim Ferriss podcast and you said
00:14:17the best way to be good a venture capitalist get lucky in the first five years yeah I also think that we we so I think most people who would like to have a career in venture are mistaken about what it's really about and I think that the only
00:14:33valid reason to be in venture capital is if you think you have a way to get involved with the top ten companies a year consistently so you know ten out of ten thousand that's the top point one percent and they create ninety five percent of all the exit
00:14:50profits in the industry and so merely being of the sea I suppose it's a good lifestyle job but like if you really want to be in venture I think that the way to frame the question is how do I make a career of helping finding the top ten
00:15:10companies in a given year that isn't easy right it's not complicated but it's hard yeah yeah and how do you be attractive to those companies that's right right yeah because like in the stock market nobody cares really who buys your shares number company but in that venture business
00:15:27the author does care who buys their shares they carry the CS very much up in the best care a lot yeah which gets back to this lucky thought so VC is the only investing business I've seen that's an increasing returns business and so if you get lucky in
00:15:41your first five years in you harness the luck that you got your deal flows gonna improve at the desire founders to work with you will increase and so you know there's a whole lot of advantages that accumulate multiply for you where I think some people mistake what I
00:15:57mean by luck I don't mean just like get struck by lightning Kyle lock I look at early stage as not taking out risk but as multiplying lock it's like you're trying to put yourself on a whole bunch of roads that are most likely to get hit by the
00:16:11lucky truck that's the other thing I'd say to people about VC or anything else I wouldn't look at that way when you're young I'd I'd look at it like where are the places that I want to put myself where the probability of getting lucky is the highest and
00:16:26then how can I have an emergent strategy so that when I recognize that look as their eye sees it rather than have this deliberate strategy only ride their luck wave yeah were yeah so I like to say you know there's two kinds of strategies there is deliberate strategy
00:16:41where you know what you want do you follow your path in your roadmap and then there's emergency tragedy where you're getting feedback as much as you're transmitting your ideas the best opportunities I've encountered rider I don't know if this to be true for your audience but the best
00:16:55opportunities I've encountered come from unexpected places and I sees them when I was awake enough to say Hey wait a second this is a positive surprise I shouldn't be caught in the dogma of what I thought was going to happen I should take advantage of this better thing
00:17:11just happened and just run with it for awhile awesome advise in listening to the Tim Ferriss podcast the story the check out the most to me was that you went and bought up two thousand dollars worth of his first book that he really is yeah and you know
00:17:26ten I had previously ahead of time do you have any other stories of just being helpful to yeah I admit what had several where you'd give the company some advice and then they would say we took your advice in the good news is it worked %HESITATION now raises
00:17:44money from sequoia are now raising labor benchmark or whatever I never have regrets for that you know I have this practice where if we pass on a company and it succeeds I take the founder lunch and so yeah I took us to lunch for Zynga and I took
00:17:59Victoria ransom to lunch for wildfire if we pass on on my still rooting for a bright eyed the mall when you know when if we did something that helped him win great but I love that take him out to lunch because it's like a compounding value brand thing
00:18:14where you you still get a great relationship with the founder you're saying I want you to succeed I guess the other thing to me about it is venture if you're not careful can cause you to kind of get the big head right like everybody's pitching you all time
00:18:28everybody want your money every super nice to you and if you're not careful you start believing in a lot of that stuff and so there's something to be said for okay I passed on your deal when you succeeded you know what like I should take you to lunch
00:18:42should be judged by you for change trite and it's sort of there's an element of this where I just think you got to seek opportunities to sort of not read your own fumes and you know kind of try to be some semblance of humble eighty practice business I
00:18:56think even just as you've been describing this like how you're going about doing it is you're saying it's not necessarily that I I'm picking well it's that I'm aligning myself with the top ten to fifteen deals a year yeah I might get to see that's right and it's
00:19:11also I don't look at it like I'm trying to take out risk I'm trying to multiply lock yeah and so when I invest in a seed company a lot of times are just nothing to join and so you're betting on the quality the founders in their insights and
00:19:25how important area that they're chasing as if we can together multiply our chances of getting lucky people who do that ten get lucky more often compounding lock I like that yeah I think that if you're in venture especially early stage you are a practitioner randomness and so I
00:19:43just like to embrace that in rather than think of randomness is bad a risk is bad I think of risk is something you take proactively and part of risk taking is proactively putting yourself in high probability of getting lucky situations and then seeing it when it happens in
00:20:00like not being too dogmatic about what you're doing to not do it yeah basically just make decisions Brian Armstrong he always said like the best investors that he's dealt with that coin base were the ones who just made decisions it wasn't about saying yes or no it was
00:20:16just like pick one that's right into many investors get caught up in this option fans think well if I can turn over another card if I can delay the decision if I can you know with the option value of not decision yourself yeah I'm much more of a
00:20:31fan of conviction and I think that most to the great people that I've seen have had great results in any business they did the work to develop convection they were conviction based rather than I'm gonna sit back and turnovers make cars I can have as many options I
00:20:46can yeah our decision making process that boost VC is all you need is conviction and if you don't have conviction you have to prove to the rest of the group that you do have conviction on it yeah and so it's like bring it to the table and like
00:20:59we'll discuss it yeah but if you're just like this is it yeah like who's gonna argue with that like that you shouldn't like okay you found the one yeah so in the world of prime movers yes I'm selfishly I think some of them are probably in the crypto
00:21:14space yep forget just announced that you invested in scale which is what is killing this app blockchain solution what do you think about this but you know how long is your podcast I don't know we might have lost the whole audience at the beginning acrid he is like
00:21:30the ultimate combination of a lot of super interesting rabbit holes right but here's how I look at it in a large so to me the tech industry has always about these transformational change waves so the PC revolution basically made Michael processing free the internet made communication free I
00:21:49think a IML portend the opportunity make predictions free and I think that crypto blockchain has the opportunity trust free and if you think about it in today's world so many industries and so many situations and so many organizations and institutions rely upon intermediaries creating that trust and so
00:22:12like the dollar relies on us trusting the US government federal reserve and by the way that's pretty expensive for office banking system same thanks so that's kind of one kind of meta thought so I believe in the next ten to fifteen years there will be companies that emerge
00:22:28from crypto and block chains that are as important as Google and Amazon were and are as important as Microsoft was and maybe even reducing the costs of trust is that's what it is kind of an abstract thought right but like if you say computers are free the value
00:22:46of software versus computers flip flops right so like when computers are expensive you could afford to have guys in white lab coats in a big room feeding software to these big machines will now and machines are free what really matters is the software that drives machines it powers
00:23:02and like if you look at a IML where our industries where predictions are expensive but one day they'll be cost zero that's where I think the whole new products will happen but what I love about crypto block chains is I think that these decentralized businesses could create abundance
00:23:23in the next hundred years the way the stock market allowed us to fund a trans con el wrote it so in eighteen hundred the average for trader wouldn't want to buy stock in a railroad because it wouldn't even understood what use it was but no individual in America
00:23:39had enough money to fund a trans con el wrote a hundred years from now they'll be all these I called the wealth of the Commons rather the tragedy of the Commons whole new business entities that create positive externalities in whole new ways to bring abundance the world that
00:23:53we haven't seen before my thesis says been stems from my initial meeting with Quinn base which was at some point the world's going to be on one financial infrastructure which then leads to what we've learned is that it's not only about finances about data it's about governance it's
00:24:09about all these other things my whole vision is that like we're humans on a rock hurtling through space yep and like we are right about that yeah I can get by that measure up on that we artificially drew a bunch of lines in order to really innovate as
00:24:27a species but why are they there and I think that that is the next thousand years is deciding why those lines are there yeah and so what crypto allows is really for like value to transcend borders governance to transcend borders not starting to look at the digital world
00:24:44as if it's a nation like and so what is needed in that nation is governance is money is you know collectibles protection from Pfaff crypto kiddies in all those so it's interesting on so many levels the other way I look at it is I think right now in
00:25:00business and in government and in society there is a fairly bright line being drawn between people who don't want the future to be different and people who do and think it can be better and the people who don't want the future to be different are borrowing money from
00:25:19the fed and Wall Street at below market interest rates to buy back their own stock so you know you've got sixty percent of share gains a fortune five hundred have been due to share buybacks rather than real growth and you've got financial engineering growing at twice the rate
00:25:34of G. P. those are the people who want to pretend that the future won't change and are engaged in what I call fake growth and then there's another set of people who believe that the future can be better and they're not rent seekers and they're not people who
00:25:52want to prevent change they are people want to see the future be different better and our job in the tech industry in my view is to take all those people are kind of in between her listening to both points of view and bring kind of the undecideds forward
00:26:05and I think unfortunately right now we're doing a bad job of that you know we talk about things like disruption in artificial intelligence and robots eating the jobs in this center mediation and all these things a very immature language and what we need to be doing is making
00:26:21the case for abundance you know like mass computation of Moore's law and mass collectivity in Metcalfe's law are both exponential which means they can bring abundance to everybody in the world and we need to make the case for that but equally important the tech industry we need to
00:26:36quit acting like knuckle heads and get out of our own way and you know what a founder comes in and says I'm disrupting acts like I want to open my mouth right I'm on like what are you even doing a start up for them no because like it's
00:26:50about solving a problem and you don't end up disrupting the specific incumbents you actually just solve a problem yet other than ever that's right disruptions what happens after you transcend the incumbents alike Logan and John Lifton say death to taxis there like ride sharing to be awesome and
00:27:07the great entrepreneurs I've met are trying to do a whole new awesome thing that people are just going to say that rocks my world and we're suddenly connected on this global scale that's never been possible before and I don't even think people are realizing like how incredibly valuable
00:27:23that as we're on communicating with people in like India and China like every day yeah and then in crypto the reason that scale is a really great move for floodgate is it's not going to be the person who wins the US like that isn't gonna be the one
00:27:40that wins extract or even change the world it's gonna be the one that connects the world and help scale to the two billion people in India and Africa and Latin America AO people here complain that bit coins volatile or all this stuff will go tell that somebody in
00:27:56Venezuela and you know it wouldn't surprise me a bit coins more stable than half the currencies in the world yeah I bet in the next couple years like we're gonna start seeing that chart just like we see all the time anyway but I like we're gonna see that
00:28:09very casually thrown about where it's like well Venezuela yeah it reminds me there's a book I like you know I pry read too many of them but exit voice and loyalty is a really good one and it talks about how whenever you're in a place you can have
00:28:26a voice in making changes you can just be loyal right be a patriot say Hey I believe in a higher percent everything we're doing or you can wait for you to take your business elsewhere the problem with currency is that it's part of a global network to system
00:28:40a governments that are manipulating currencies for political reasons and so we the people have not had the ability to exit exit is what gives voice its power the ability to take your business elsewhere forces the service provider to listen to you and not just give you lip service
00:28:57and so I actually believe that crypto and block chains will be good for governments because it'll force them to operate under sound money principles for this family of people keep them in check that's right so excited me to in the end I think all business and all for
00:29:15progress in business involves choice among competing alternatives and you know we really haven't had an effective choice when it comes to money and currency and we haven't had sound money not even in the US and so I like a world that kind of says fine if you choose
00:29:31not to have sound money I'll take my business elsewhere and get some money and I can just decide whose protocol I trust the most well on that we're gonna move on to the lightning round which is the lightning round home okay which is a better feeling throwing a
00:29:48spiral or shooting a swish swish best song in reference to start ups well I don't think I'll come up with a good book yeah favorite superhero Superman in why these like the strongest in fast fast like when I saw Superman Batman movie I'm like what are you doing
00:30:08this guy's manna still is gonna smoke Batman less you do some stupid in the movie yeah it wasn't very good movie abstract stupid yeah you can ask one person one question what person what question I would ask Albert Einstein would like his thought processes for how he would
00:30:26discover breakthroughs you know how did he spend his time how to the frame questions so I think that would be interesting to have a discussion about that that would be what is your definition of success offering your gift to the world in such a way that it goes
00:30:43forward yeah well thanks for being on the BCC podcast thanks ram me thank you so much for tuning in during your busy day to learn about sci fi technology for more info on what we do check out our website at W. W. W. dot dot BC or give
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