Full Transcript for Intuitively Navigating Trauma with Ronni Tichenor and Jennie Weaver

family could say, look, there's nothing wrong with us, 74 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:05.240 look at this great kid and all the cool stuff 75 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:09.800 she's doing. And Jenny was the scapegoat or the identified patient, 76 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:14.520 and all the psychic trash garbage pain gets dumped on 77 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:20.040 the scapegoat. And typically, historically scapegoats and heroes are not friends. 78 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:24.959 They don't like each other. Usually the whole family joins 79 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:27.399 the parents in dumping on the scapegoat. And I did 80 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:29.480 as a younger person, as a kid growing up, and 81 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:33.519 as a younger person do that. So we often say 82 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:38.680 we're sisters who weren't supposed to be friends because of that. Now, 83 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:42.079 how we pulled ourselves out of there? Since Jenny was 84 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:43.839 the one that took the lead on that, I'll let 85 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:46.279 her explain that part of our story. 86 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:52.360 Okay, So I'm Jenny, the younger sister, and really, you know, 87 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:54.879 growing up in our home with all of these adverse 88 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:58.759 childhood experiences and being the identified patient and scapegoat and 89 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:01.839 the family, it was my job to carry all the 90 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:05.279 family pain. And you can imagine as a young child, 91 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:10.639 it's really overwhelming. And so I, you know, in our 92 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:12.839 dad's favorite quest and we talked about that in the book, 93 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:14.839 was what the hell's the matter with you? And you 94 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:16.720 know when you hear that over and over and over again, 95 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:18.600 you start asking, well, what the hell is the matter 96 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:24.600 with me? And so I have a very curious mind 97 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:28.040 and vivid imagination, and so I tried to figure out 98 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:31.079 what was the matter with me? And that started really 99 00:05:31.079 --> 00:05:34.319 in my late teens and progressed into my early twenties. 100 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:37.240 After I got married and started to have children, I 101 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:40.439 knew I had to do better. I had to have 102 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:44.600 a better environment for my children. I wanted to be 103 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:48.879 a totally different parent than the examples we had, and 104 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:54.879 so it was really going through individual counseling. And also 105 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:58.360 I was going through nursing school at the time. And 106 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:03.519 when I sat through human development and lifespan class and 107 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:08.399 the instructor started talking about the addicted family and all 108 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:11.959 the roles that the children play, I was like, Oh God, 109 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.000 that's Ronnie. Oh God, that's me, and then oh boy, 110 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:18.680 that's my brother, our brother, And so there was no 111 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:20.920 more denying. We had always said, well, dad drank a 112 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:23.319 little bit, you know, he drank too much, or he 113 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:27.079 was angry a lot, our mom was angry a lot. 114 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:29.199 We didn't really we didn't really name it. 115 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:32.560 And so it really was. My daughter was about a 116 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:36.040 year old at the time, eighteen months old, our first child, 117 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:38.000 and it was then that I said, you know, I 118 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:42.560 got a I really need to start addressing this. And 119 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:46.519 so it really kind of evolved reaching out to Ronnie, 120 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:49.360 and we talk about it in the book, but it 121 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:52.680 was it was. It kind of culminated for me in 122 00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:55.920 one weekend that Ronnie just insisted that I come up 123 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:58.639 and visit her and bring my little baby with me. 124 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:02.839 My husband was over in the Gulf War, and so 125 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:06.240 I was alone in the same house with my parents. 126 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:09.079 They had moved in with us, and so everything was 127 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:12.560 really coming to a head for me, and Ronnie just 128 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:15.639 kept pressuring me to go, and of course my mother, 129 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:19.480 who was controlling everything, was pressuring me to not go alone. 130 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:23.800 But I ended up going, and that weekend just ripped 131 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:27.079 everything wide open. As soon as I walked in the door, 132 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:31.560 Ronnie said to me, Jenny, what is what's wrong? Something 133 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:34.720 is really wrong here? And she had her little toddler 134 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:38.079 daughter and my little baby, and we just started talking 135 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:41.680 and was it truly felt like a like the curtain 136 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:48.000 was lifted and we finally broke through this huge veil 137 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:50.480 of denial that we both had been living with. And 138 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:54.279 Ronnie was the one who started naming it, started naming 139 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:56.399 what was being done to me. I mean, my god, 140 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:59.399 she was, as you know, a sociologist at this point 141 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:04.040 and teaching this stuff, and she just stepped out of 142 00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:07.639 her role as the golden child, the hero and just 143 00:08:07.680

--> 00:08:10.879 started naming it. And there's a lot of tears, a 144 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:15.160 lot of hugging and tremendous healing that weekend, and that's 145 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:18.519 what really began this whole journey for the both of us. 146 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:22.360 Yeah, I have an additional question about that, and I'm 147 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:24.360 so glad that you went into the roles that you discussed, 148 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:26.360 because that was something I wanted to ask you about. 149 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:28.000 I've tried to kind of figure out how. 150 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:31.759 To name that in my own family line, but I 151 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:36.960 haven't quite gotten there. But it's interesting that Ronnie you 152 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:42.279 went into to academia, but as a sociology professor, Jenny 153 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:45.360 you became a family nurse practitioner. So you've both gone 154 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:50.279 into these super amazing supportive healing roles. Is that cause 155 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:52.120 or effect or is it part of the grand cycle? 156 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:56.039 Who knows? Were you in communication with each other or 157 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:59.720 were you completely estranged from each other prior to deciding 158 00:08:59.799 --> 00:09:02.000 to actually work on this relationship. 159 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:08.120 So we were never completely estranged, but we once we 160 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:10.919 grew to adulthood and moved out of the house, we 161 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:14.879 never lived near each other, and I never lived near 162 00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:18.799 my parents after that time, Like I'm talking, you know, 163 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:24.440 hundreds thousands of miles away. And we had this triangular 164 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:28.840 communication pattern that had developed in our home. And for 165 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:31.360 those who aren't familiar with that, that's when all communication 166 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:35.039 runs through one person, so that the other nodes on 167 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:38.320 the wheel, if you will, don't speak to each other directly. 168 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:41.679 So that was our mother, and that gave her complete 169 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:44.879 license to tell us. Like you get to remember, in 170 00:09:44.919 --> 00:09:47.519 these days, there was no email, There was no cell phone. 171 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:50.639 It was long distance phone calls. We were poor, you know, 172 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:53.320 so we would call on the weekend or after eleven 173 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:56.080 o'clock at night when the rates dropped down to you know, 174 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:59.240 twenty five fifty cents a minute, so we would all call. 175 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:01.879 I would call my mother and I would get updates 176 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:05.279 from her. On my sister and my brother, and so 177 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:07.159 she was free to tell us whatever she wanted to. 178 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:14.159 So she would out and out, lie, leave things out, bend, twist, 179 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:18.679 spin right, anything to keep us loyal to her and 180 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:22.360 at odds with each other. And so this is why 181 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:24.799 in our work when we talk about healing sibling relationships, 182 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:28.320 we say siblings are often at odds or estrange for 183 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:30.559 reasons that are not their fault, and they don't understand 184 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:33.240 it right because the people, the adults in their life, 185 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:35.879 set them at odds in the very beginning, either through 186 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:38.320 the roles they played or in other more direct ways 187 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:42.399 through the triangular communication. So but the times we were together, 188 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:46.240 beginning probably when after I went away to college and 189 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:48.679 Jenny was still at home, we would see each other, 190 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:52.759 you know, at various points, and we really did want 191 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:56.720 a better relationship, and sometimes we talked about that openly 192 00:10:56.759 --> 00:10:59.600 and acknowledged it. And then it was when all of 193 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:03.960 this blew up. It's like, oh my god, what is 194 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:05.840 you know? It just it just turned our world upside 195 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:08.279 down when we went from thinking we're a warm, close, loving, 196 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:11.679 happy family to our parents are abusing us and that 197 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:15.240 the weekend Jenny is talking about It took me another 198 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:18.639 four years to say my dad was an alcoholic, but 199 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:21.000 I did start to see that they were doing terrible 200 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:25.600 things to her and to her children because she was 201 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:29.240 close to them. They were already starting the dynamics in 202 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:31.960 the next generation. They already picked out the next scapegoat, 203 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.720 which was her second daughter when she came along. So, yeah, 204 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:39.879 we were never estranged, and we sort of vaguely knew 205 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:42.080 we wanted a better relationship. We had no idea how 206 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:44.000 to do that, and it wasn't until that weekend Jenny 207 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:46.919 described that we started to go, Okay, we have to 208 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:49.000 start talking to each other. And then we had a 209 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:51.120 plot when to do that because Jenny was in the 210 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:53.759 house with her parents, with our parents, and so we 211 00:11:53.799 -->

00:11:56.440 had to think, Okay, when are they not there so 212 00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:58.679 I can call you and you are free to talk. 213 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:01.559 Yeah. 214 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:05.320 Yeah, the control was a really deep thing. And you're 215 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:08.279 so indoctrinated in this. You know, people I'm sure on 216 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:11.840 the outside that have never had that experience with abuse, 217 00:12:12.320 --> 00:12:16.080 mental illness, addiction don't understand it. But you know it's 218 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:19.840 like slow boiling a frog, right, I mean, from toddlerhood on, 219 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:22.919 this is what you know. You know, you learn the rules, 220 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:25.240 and the rules change every day, but you try to 221 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:28.480 follow whatever rules of the day are and you don't 222 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:30.440 talk to each other. And that was just that was 223 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:33.240 just something that was ingrained in us. 224 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:36.320 Yeah, you isolate to try to manage your own pain 225 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:38.759 on your own and just keep safe, right hide out 226 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:41.000 in your room or whatever safe space you can find. 227 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:43.559 And so you're not I mean in some families it 228 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:45.559 might be that the children draw together to try to 229 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:49.200 protect each other. We didn't do that. We were in 230 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:52.200 a space where we each had our own room, and 231 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:54.200 we would retreat to our rooms and try to keep 232 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:57.919 ourselves safe the best we knew. How separately, we were 233 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:00.919 taught to isolate from other people outside the family, and 234 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:04.080 we brought that lesson into the family. We isolated from 235 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:04.840 each other as well. 236 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:09.000 Wow, that's incredible. And I have to say I did 237 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:10.919 read your book cover to cover and I've made notes 238 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:11.720 all over it. 239 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:13.120 It's been like a work book for me. 240 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:14.559 Now. 241 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:17.639 I'm so glad. 242 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:20.600 It was very enlightening. And I have to say to 243 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:22.879 every you know, people who are listening, is even if 244 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:26.600 your parents, even if your construct isn't exactly like what 245 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:31.399 you described, there's so much commonality and parents pitting children 246 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:35.639 against each other, parents pitting children against the other parent, 247 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:40.399 which is what I went through, and then making the 248 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:44.120 children feel like victims or ping pong balls between right, 249 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:46.720 So we never never knowing what stability and who you 250 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:49.279 could count on to be stable and respectful of the 251 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:54.080 other parent, and the destructuring of safety that that causes, 252 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:56.679 you know, that going through life not feeling safe, support 253 00:13:56.679 --> 00:13:58.879 and protected, which is what we learned about when we 254 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:03.159 went through the soul coaching work together. But also I 255 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:05.600 want to bring this back into animal communication in a 256 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:09.279 way because that's where you guys did your first class together. 257 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:10.360 That's where we met. 258 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:13.279 Yes, and it's where I remember as a child, the 259 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:16.600 only respite for me was see going and sitting with 260 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:18.960 my dog and because no one would no one would 261 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:21.559 bind me or bother me. Or sitting outside and watching 262 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:24.360 the birds lie around the wires of the you know, 263 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:28.519 because that's where I wasn't being told what to do, 264 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:32.919 told what to think, you know, negative stories about another person, 265 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:35.039 worrying how I was going to fit in all that 266 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:38.279 stuff kind of one way with the animals, yes, and 267 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:42.440 being the oldest child for me, I totally resonate Ronnie 268 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:45.519 with the hero position that I was put in, and 269 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:47.840 my sister being put in the secondary position, and then 270 00:14:47.879 --> 00:14:50.120 my brother being the golden child because he was the 271 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:53.039 you know, like the one that it's on, you know, 272 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:57.720 little star who could do no wrong. So let's talk 273 00:14:57.840 --> 00:15:00.480 more about how the animals helped you with your because 274 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:03.600 the animals absolutely helped me heal me. 275 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:06.200 Infinitely. 276 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:08.600 Read back through your book about all the things that 277 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:12.720 the animals helped me finally be gentler with myself about 278 00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:17.080 and forgive and to reconstitute better boundaries and all of that. 279 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:19.879 So how did the animals help you on your journey? 280 00:15:21.159 --> 00:15:24.799 I can start with that. From very very young, very 281 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:29.159 early on, I connected very strongly with animals. I think, 282 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:34.440 you know, my first recollection, honestly, of besides our household, 283 00:15:34.480

--> 00:15:39.039 our cat and our dog, was my cousin Patty used 284 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:43.679 to take when her parents were my godparents, and they 285 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:45.679 would take me for the weekends and sometimes when I 286 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:48.600 was like three four, I was little, and she would 287 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:53.840 take me riding on her horse, Sex and I was 288 00:15:53.919 --> 00:15:57.120 in love with that horse, and he was so gentle 289 00:15:57.159 --> 00:16:01.080 and so kind, and I you know, I think that 290 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:06.679 was such a strong bonding experience. Of feeling loved and supported. 291 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:11.559 And you know, I never never felt you know, fearful 292 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:14.440 with him or with my cousin Patty, of course. And 293 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:19.320 so I definitely looked to animals from a very early 294 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:25.600 age for comfort, for love, for acceptance, because you know, 295 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:31.919 I felt very safe with animals, and I imagined, you know, 296 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:33.840 as a very young child, that I was talking with 297 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:35.519 the animals and that they understood me. 298 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:38.120 And I still believe they doo. 299 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:40.879 My husband teases me and says that I'm a female 300 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:43.559 version of Saint Francis because animals, you. 301 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:44.159 Know, come to me. 302 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:47.120 And you know, when I was, when I was a kid, 303 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:50.440 oftentimes from school, walking home from school or whatever, a 304 00:16:50.480 --> 00:16:53.519 cat or a dog would follow me home, and my 305 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:55.200 mom and debor get so mad at me. They're like, 306 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:55.639 what do you do? 307 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:57.159 Do you give a food? You're petting it? 308 00:16:57.200 --> 00:16:59.120 I said, no, I didn't pet it, but I didn't 309 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:00.679 mean in my mind, I'm like, well, I was talking 310 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:01.960 to it, but I'm not going to tell them that. 311 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:05.720 And and so you know I would I would always 312 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:08.519 ask can I keep it? Because you know, these animals 313 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:11.759 would be cudd you know, cuddling, rubbing up against me, 314 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:13.559 wanting me to pet them, you know, and I just 315 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:16.359 felt so I think those are the only times that 316 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:21.000 I really felt grounded and present and connected in my body. 317 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:25.359 Because of what happened to me, I learned to disassociate 318 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:28.960 from my body very early on, and and to try 319 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:32.960 and dissociate from the physical pain. And so being with 320 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:37.640 the animals, I feel like I'm going to cry, felt 321 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:42.559 so so amazing, truly felt loved and safe and supported 322 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:46.039 with the animals, and I still feel that way. And 323 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:48.640 so as Ronnie said, you know, being alone and being 324 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:54.680 isolated was was very difficult for me as a very sensitive, intuitive, 325 00:17:54.759 --> 00:18:00.480 empathic kid, and I think that was partly a fence, 326 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:04.359 you know, I'm sure my my intune ability, psychic abilities, 327 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:08.039 you know, empathic abilities just became really heightened as part 328 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:12.200 of a defense and protection mode. But also it was 329 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:16.920 just part of who I was. And the animals absolutely 330 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:20.880 were a lifeline for me, and in many ways still 331 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:24.799 are I you know, I just sadly, you know, our 332 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:29.559 beautiful rottweiler Poe had cancer and we had to put 333 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:33.680 him down, and you know, I still feel his presence. 334 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:36.920 It's funny. I wake up sometimes and as you're in 335 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:38.759 that twilight, you know I call for him because he 336 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:40.640 was always on my side of the bed, and I 337 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:43.599 feel his presence. He's still, you know, he's on the 338 00:18:43.599 --> 00:18:47.359 other side, supporting and loving me. And I just don't 339 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:51.400 think I can ever be without animals because they their 340 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:54.640 unconditional love and the way they helped me be present 341 00:18:54.720 --> 00:19:00.720 and ground is just such a gift in my life. 342 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:03.880 Yeah, for me, I would I would say I would 343 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:09.880 emphasize the role animals have played in helping me heal 344 00:19:10.960 --> 00:19:14.960 in terms of developing my intuitive gifts and abilities, because 345 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:20.079 I have spent most of my life in the rational mind, right, 346 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:24.000 especially as an academic trained as a scientist, and I 347 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:27.480 told myself my whole life, I'm not very intuitive. And 348 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:30.359 I actually I got into the animal communication cause I 349 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:35.039 saw it once in a cripalu the weekend in right, 350 00:19:35.079 --> 00:19:37.440 and I thought, well, that sounds kind of cool, and 351 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:39.599 I thought, well, I should do that. And Jenny at 352 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:42.880 this point, Jenny and I were close and always dragging 353 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:45.400 each other to different workshops and healing things and trading 354 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:47.799 books

and all that. And I kept looking for and 355 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:49.440 it didn't come again. Then it came back around to 356 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:52.599 Omega and it happened to be Jenny's birthday weekend, and 357 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:56.119 the description said, you know, anybody can learn how to 358 00:19:56.160 --> 00:20:00.839 do this, and I said, challenge acceptedly, because you're going 359 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:03.680 to have your work cut out with me. And so 360 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:07.200 we went, and you know, it was the beginning of 361 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:09.920 the journey, as you said, going through the animal communication 362 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:13.319 and the soul level coaching. And I've come to realize 363 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:16.400 along the way, in working with the animals and in 364 00:20:16.519 --> 00:20:20.200 going through this process that it was a challenge for 365 00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:24.279 me because I had you know, when you're in an 366 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:29.279 environment where you feel under threat all the time and 367 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:33.680 you're told that what you're experiencing isn't really happening to you, right, 368 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:36.279 There isn't abuse in this home, there isn't addiction in 369 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:38.640 this home. There's you know, there's nothing wrong with us, 370 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:42.119 there's something wrong with you. You learn not to trust 371 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:47.359 yourself and developing your intuitive gifts is all about trusting 372 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:53.480 what comes through. And in particular, the way I get 373 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:57.319 information is usually a sense of knowing, and of all 374 00:20:57.440 --> 00:21:00.200 the ways to get that, that's the easiest one for 375 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:01.799 me to go, oh, no, you just made that up. 376 00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:04.720 That's not real. You just made that up, right, But 377 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:08.200 that's most of what I get and so so you know, 378 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:10.680 for me, the work with the animals was really about 379 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:15.799 about finding that trust in myself. That and that, as 380 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:18.599 Jenny said, you just kind of disconnect from what you 381 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:21.200 really know because you're trying to survive. You're trying to 382 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:23.480 cope with what's being thrown in front of you. You're 383 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:26.400 trying to deal with the dissonance of I feel this pain, 384 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:29.559 but you're telling me you're not hurting me, right, or 385 00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:31.920 whatever else happens to be going on in that environment. 386 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:36.200 And so the animals doing that work was a way 387 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:40.799 for me to reconnect with myself and to learn to 388 00:21:40.839 --> 00:21:44.720 trust

myself right, trust what I know and not push 389 00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:47.640 it aside, recognize it's not a threat to know what 390 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:48.880 I know, and to claim it. 391 00:21:50.039 --> 00:21:50.519 Beautiful. 392 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:55.839 Wow, what I'm hearing both of you say is there's 393 00:21:55.880 --> 00:21:59.079 these nuggets everywhere or you know, droplets or whatnot, the 394 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:01.559 little pebble on the path, if you will, the like 395 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:03.559 picking it up, and then how can you integrate it 396 00:22:04.279 --> 00:22:07.079 and then use it for your own self? But then 397 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:11.039 ultimately it feels like for the greater and higher good. 398 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:14.920 Much of what's happened with your the what you've gone 399 00:22:14.920 --> 00:22:18.839 through from a family channel, you know, family situation, the abuse, 400 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:21.960 all of that, and then learning the intuition. I'm just curious, 401 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:24.079 you know, how do you see all the things you 402 00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:25.920 guys have done? This might be a really big question, 403 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:27.960 but how do you see all the things you both 404 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:32.160 have done and being able to take that and help 405 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:35.400 others through their own challenges and situations. 406 00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:37.559 And I'm even curious, I know you do things together. 407 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:40.759 Do you also do still intuitive work with people too? 408 00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:43.240 Is at all kinds of play? Okay, I see you nodding, 409 00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:43.799 so I'll let you. 410 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:47.319 I'll let you guys go Yeah, go ahead, Jed, Yeah, absolutely. 411 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:50.480 I still I still do some animal communication readings, and 412 00:22:50.480 --> 00:22:54.759 it's really more for my children or their friends word 413 00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:57.400 of mouth. And you would think, all, but they're your kids, 414 00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:00.000 you know, you know them. But it's it's a maze 415 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:02.680 when things are going on with one of their animals 416 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:06.400 or that they're concerned about the stuff. The information that 417 00:23:06.440 --> 00:23:10.119 comes through, you know, the helpies say that is spot on, 418 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:13.799 and I couldn't possibly know everything that's going on with 419 00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:17.359 them or in their relationships or whatever. And so I 420 00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:19.880 love I still love doing it. I still absolutely love 421 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:24.079 doing animal communication and I find it very rewarding. It's 422 00:23:24.079 --> 00:23:27.400 also very humbling as well as working with our soul guides. 423 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:33.240 I feel that, you know, nobody deserves to be abused 424 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:39.000 or traumatized, but it's very humbling, and I feel very 425 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:43.319 honored when through our book, our podcast, or working with someone, 426 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:47.640 we have been able to help them in some small 427 00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:52.440 way on their healing path, because you know, I wanted 428 00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:54.920 to end my life, you know, so many times as 429 00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:58.039 a child. I mean, my earliest recollection was at the 430 00:23:58.039 --> 00:24:02.440 age of eight. And and the the level of pain 431 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:08.359 that I have carried, psychological, emotional from our family is 432 00:24:09.319 --> 00:24:13.920 has been at times just overwhelming and going through all 433 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:17.119 of these all of these paths leading leading me to 434 00:24:17.319 --> 00:24:19.759 the next thing, the next you know, and it's totally 435 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:23.319 been intuitive guiding us. Our soul guides would however you 436 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:27.680 want to frame that, but Ronnie and I have absolutely 437 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:30.640 followed our intuition as to what's the next step, what's 438 00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:34.680 the next the next thing that will help me to 439 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:37.480 help myself and to help others, And that has been 440 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:41.480 just a very rewarding path. And the one thing I 441 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:43.920 say every time that we talk to anybody is that 442 00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:48.200 you know, yes, you know, acknowledging and experiencing and sitting 443 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:53.119 with those feelings as you're working through counseling or or 444 00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:57.079 your healing process, and whatever path you're taking, you will 445 00:24:57.079 --> 00:24:59.119 come out on the other side and that pain does 446 00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:02.359 not last forever, and there is so much more joy, 447 00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:04.960 so much more peace in this life, in this world 448 00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:09.000 that we all deserve. And where I am now as 449 00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:10.880 to where I was twenty or thirty years ago or 450 00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:15.519 even ten years ago, I would not trade anything, or 451 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:19.079 I mean, meeting all of you amazing people and Danielle 452 00:25:19.359 --> 00:25:22.240 and the experiences that we had, I wouldn't trade that 453 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:25.160 for anything. And so if I can share that with 454 00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:30.799 one person and make one person's life writer, then it's 455 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:31.240 worth it. 456 00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:34.559 I mean, to address that big picture part of what 457 00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:38.359 you're asking, Julie. Even before we started this work, and 458 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:40.960 it probably I would say

it probably began. We were 459 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:42.960 talking for a long time about writing a book. We 460 00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:45.079 talked for a long time about maybe doing a podcast. 461 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:50.039 We actually just put up the most rudimentary of websites 462 00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:54.680 and record our first podcast, like right before COVID. It 463 00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:57.319 was like the end of February in twenty twenty, so 464 00:25:57.359 --> 00:25:59.759 that's how long we've been doing that work. But we've 465 00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:03.039 been using because we've been over thirty years right on 466 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:06.000 this path since we said, Okay, this is what's going 467 00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:08.480 on with the family. We want to be better parents. 468 00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:11.480 We've got to figure out how to do that. Sadly, 469 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:13.279 we did have to break with our family because they 470 00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:15.480 would not come with us on the healing journey. So 471 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:19.359 it's just been Jenny and me. But all along we've 472 00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:22.720 been using whatever we learn, whatever we know where we 473 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:24.559 are in the world, even before we started doing this 474 00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:27.640 specific work. So Jenny, as a family nurse practitioner has 475 00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:33.480 dealt with the physical and psychological and mental emotional fallout 476 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:35.519 of living with childhood trauma. 477 00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:35.759 Right. 478 00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:37.920 I mean it has an impact on your body health. 479 00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:42.440 The research shows that. And I have my specialty is 480 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:46.240 family studies and gender studies in sociology, and for years 481 00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:48.559 I taught a class called Power and Violence in the Family, 482 00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:51.119 and so I would have students that would come into 483 00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:53.200 my office or share in the middle of the class 484 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:57.160 for the whole class to benefit from their experiences. And 485 00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:01.079 so we've been using the knowledge we've been gathering over 486 00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:04.720 our lifetime in the places that we've been, put right 487 00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:09.599 where we've been and putting what we've created with the 488 00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:11.640 book and the podcast and the work we continue to 489 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:15.079 do is what we wanted to do was put out 490 00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:16.599 there in the world. Because there's a lot of good 491 00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:19.559 stuff on family trauma right now, there's not much about 492 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:22.160 sibling relationships, the damage has done to it, and how 493 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:23.920 to heal it. So we knew that was a

new piece. 494 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:27.319 But we also have been The thing that guides us 495 00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:30.839 in everything we do is to be as transparent as 496 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:32.839 we know how to be in that moment about what 497 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:35.759 we've experienced. Because you can read all the books in 498 00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:38.480 the world about family dynamics and so forth, but we 499 00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:41.799 did not read anything when we were in that process 500 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:44.640 about what it feels like when your world has turned 501 00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:48.799 upside down. When you say, okay, I've been not only 502 00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:50.759 am I not in that warm, close, loving family I 503 00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:54.720 thought I was. It's the exact opposite. And okay, if 504 00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:57.319 I'm not the hero, then who am I? 505 00:27:57.640 --> 00:27:57.759 Like? 506 00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:01.559 It is an identity crisis and what does it feel 507 00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:04.720 like to try to move through that? Because we thought 508 00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:07.519 we were going crazy, We thought we were coming on 509 00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:11.960 glued as we're trying to just rewire our brains and 510 00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:16.039 choose different behavioral responses and all those things. There were 511 00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:19.359 times I felt like I actually was physically going to explode, 512 00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:21.720 like body, there was so much pressure inside me. My 513 00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:23.480 body was just going to go all over the wall 514 00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:26.519 and the little pieces, and so those are the things 515 00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:29.880 that we really emphasize in our work. What does it 516 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:34.279 feel like to try to heal? Because yes, it is 517 00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:38.160 great on the other side, but it's a never ending process, 518 00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:40.519 of course, But when you're in the thick of it, 519 00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:43.200 like you think you're nuts and it might be so 520 00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:46.079 painful you might just want to give up. And so 521 00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:49.039 that's kind of what motivates us, is wanting people to 522 00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:52.359 know there's nothing wrong with you if you're having these feelings. 523 00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:55.359 It's normal for you to have these feelings. And so 524 00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:58.559 now we're working on a parenting book, which is not 525 00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:02.480 so much how to parent, but it's more like parenting 526 00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:04.559 with the intention to break the cycle. And how is 527 00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:07.480 that going to feel as you're doing it when you 528 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:10.680 have no role model right when you're doing trying to 529 00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:12.400 do the opposite of

what it was done to you. 530 00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.519 So that's what our focus is on. Helping people feel 531 00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:19.519 like they're okay as they're going through it. You know 532 00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:21.480 that they're not alone exactly. 533 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:34.160 Wow, I mean it feels like it was necessary from 534 00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.240 everything you just described, both of you and Ronnie in particular, 535 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:40.119 just talking about like the changes and how it felt 536 00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:42.480 and not feeling supported and turning your world upside down? 537 00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:44.480 Is that all part of that? 538 00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:47.039 The breaking up with the family? Does that make am 539 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.680 I making sense what I'm trying to say? Yeah, Well, 540 00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:52.000 the breaking up I'll jump in if you don't mind, Yes, go. 541 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:55.599 Breaking up of the breaking up of the family really 542 00:29:55.640 --> 00:30:01.839 came from me. I had exhausted every avenue that I 543 00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:06.559 could think of. You know, I tried spiritual counseling with 544 00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:13.200 my parents with a pastor, tried limited contact, tried the 545 00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:16.960 last the last straw was trying to do counseling just 546 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:19.920 with my mother. We went to I was going at 547 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:23.640 the university. Counseling services were free for me and for her, 548 00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:26.319 and so I said, okay, let's you know, if we 549 00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:30.160 can't agree on what the issues are, and I'm I'm 550 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:33.079 you know, I feel like I'm being hurt every time 551 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:36.960 we interact, then let's try counseling where you and I 552 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:40.000 will go independently and then we'll go jointly. Well, after 553 00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:44.519 three sessions, each of us. I guess going independently. The 554 00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:49.880 psychologist told me at the next session, you know, Jenny, 555 00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:53.200 you're you know we we we totally understand your intentions 556 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:56.000 of wanting to do joint therapy to try and heal 557 00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:59.119 your relationship with your mother. And they said, but we've 558 00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:02.480 had a medical staff meeting over this, this whole case, 559 00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:05.559 and after meeting with her and meeting with you, there 560 00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:09.400 is absolutely no way that we can allow you to 561 00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:13.160 continue in any joint counseling with your mother. It would 562 00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:16.440 be detrimental to you. Wow. 563 00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:19.240 And they said, and we can't. We can't participate in that. 564 00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:21.119

We can't be a part of that. It would not 565 00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:23.839 be it would not be right, it would not be ethical. 566 00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:28.599 And that was when I was like, okay, I've tried everything. 567 00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:33.960 Every interaction was just another another moment to give them 568 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:36.480 more information about how I was hurting so that they 569 00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:39.359 could take it and use it against me and you know, 570 00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:43.240 fire more more rounds off at me. So it was 571 00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:47.720 just it was all about beating me down and so 572 00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:50.440 that I would capitulate and say, you're right, I'm sorry, 573 00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:50.920 it's all me. 574 00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:51.839 It's me. It's me. 575 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:55.480 I'm the one that's wrong. You're perfectly wonderful and you 576 00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:57.680 did nothing wrong. That's what they wanted to hear. If 577 00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:01.079 they didn't hear that, they would just flowed and beat 578 00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:03.079 you down as much as they could. It just did 579 00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:05.000 not get any better. It got worse. 580 00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:09.319 We tried an intervention with our dad too, Yeah, yeah, 581 00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:13.039 and that we for years we said that failed, and 582 00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:15.480 then someone else reframed it for us and said, no, 583 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:19.279 your father failed to make the choice to go to rehab. 584 00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:21.559 But what it did was it set you to free. 585 00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:25.960 It's like we have done everything at like we've said, 586 00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:28.160 it's clearly as we know how what the problems are, 587 00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:31.759 and we demanded that we addressed them. We're not going 588 00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:33.920 to just go on and ignore them like we have 589 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:37.559 for the last thirty years. We must address them. We 590 00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:39.960 need to work together, we need individual counseling, we need 591 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.960 family counseling, you know, all these things. And they just 592 00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:46.880 came crashing back with why any problems that existed were 593 00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:50.759 all Jenny's fault. And there were other things that we 594 00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:55.599 haven't really talked about that we were concerned about. Concern 595 00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:58.079 for the safety of our children. I had one daughter, 596 00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:01.640 she had two. By that point, we just couldn't we 597 00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:04.759 just they made it impossible for us to even have 598 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:09.039 limited contact. Now I say that, but we did have 599 00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:12.559 some little points along the way over the intervening thirty 600 00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:16.359 years where we did try to have some contact with them, 601 00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:19.559 but they just kept looking for more ways to hurt us. 602 00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:22.839 And they're very creative in the things that they managed 603 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.240 to do, especially since I was, again, you know, a 604 00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:29.759 thousand miles away. And it's just, you know, our dad 605 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:34.079 passed in October of twenty twenty four and we only 606 00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:37.000 found out by chance. No one ever told us. You know, 607 00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:39.880 it's very sad. We were just talking about this the 608 00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:43.960 other day. It's just sad that they threw us away. 609 00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:44.240 Right. 610 00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.480 We say that we walked away and that we broke contact, 611 00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:50.279 but really what I've come to understand is that they 612 00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:55.279 abandoned us. We begged them to stop hurting us. We 613 00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:58.720 told them exactly what they were doing that was a problem, 614 00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:04.440 and they chose to let us leave instead of doing anything. 615 00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:06.799 And my husband for years has said, yeah, we have 616 00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:08.639 one daughter. He says, you know, I don't care how 617 00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:11.000 wrong I thought she was. If she's telling us, you know, 618 00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:14.880 we did something, I would do everything to prevent her 619 00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.400 from leaving, from walking out of our lives, you know, 620 00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:21.880 And that's the difference. Yeah, it was too threatening for 621 00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:24.039 them to acknowledge anything. 622 00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:27.280 Oh, very powerful. 623 00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:32.119 Thank you their anability to admit even to meet you 624 00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:36.599 halfway and say, we know we've made some mistakes, but 625 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:39.039 we'll accept this much responsibility. 626 00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:41.880 But not this much responsibility. It sounds like they didn't 627 00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:43.679 even do that. 628 00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:48.880 No, And while very very sad, Jenny, that also had 629 00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:51.920 to be somewhat validating to have medical professionals say to 630 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:53.559 you you're not wrong. 631 00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:57.039 Oh yeah, I said, Well, I really have tried everything, 632 00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:02.239 and I cannot have any regret because I really did 633 00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:05.440 exhaust every avenue that I possibly could. I did not 634 00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:08.239 want to walk away. I could not allow them to 635 00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:12.199 hurt my children. Yeah, I would absolutely not allow that 636 00:35:12.239 -->

00:35:16.199 cycle to continue. I've said that recently in my own 637 00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:19.440 family dynamics, like I'm much more willing to stand up 638 00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:22.440 to protect my kids, my fake kids, all of the 639 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:26.840 young people that I have mentored and mothered in my life, 640 00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:29.679 and my grandchildren than I am to stand. 641 00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:30.239 Up for myself. 642 00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:34.880 Yes, I've spoken up more on their behalf than I 643 00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:35.960 ever would have online. 644 00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:39.760 So I want to say this Okay. 645 00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:41.480 First of all, I've listened to the podcast from day one, 646 00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:44.320 from that February of twenty twenty, because I remember when 647 00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:48.039 it was happening, and there were some aspects of your 648 00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:50.199 podcast that kind of got me through the holidays, like 649 00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:52.239 the things you give yourself permission to do and the 650 00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:55.400 traditions you give your self permission to change. But a 651 00:35:55.440 --> 00:36:00.920 few things that you've said recently, Two things in particular. One, 652 00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:06.840 give yourself a break from your healing journey, because those of. 653 00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:08.639 Us who are still like you said, it's. 654 00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:11.159 Always a work in progress. We never get to the 655 00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:14.519 other side of healing. You unravel some layer of an onion, 656 00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:16.800 and then here's another one, and here's another one. 657 00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:18.159 And sometimes you just. 658 00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:20.079 Got to take a break and say, look how much 659 00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:22.679 progress I've made. And I think that we are all 660 00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.119 the type of women who find it hard to turn 661 00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:29.639 around and acknowledge to ourselves we've made this much progress. 662 00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:34.239 The other thing, which is completely relevant in astrology, in 663 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:36.199 the world at large, all of the things right now, 664 00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:40.239 is your voice needs to be heard. Step up and 665 00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:46.039 put it out there. Somebody can find their own healing 666 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:49.639 in the experience of your telling your story, whether it's 667 00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:51.639 just knowing that they're not alone, that someone else is 668 00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:52.920 out there, They're not isolated. 669 00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:56.119 So thank y' all for that. I also want to tell. 670 00:36:55.960 --> 00:37:00.000 The whole wide world that I recently did an intuitive coaching. 671 00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:02.079 I'm not sure what y'll call it, but I did 672 00:37:02.119

--> 00:37:04.599 a session jointly with Ronnie and Jenny. I said, I 673 00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:06.960 want a book with you. I have no idea what 674 00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:12.719 my real question is about, but I trust that this 675 00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:15.480 is going to go where it needs to go. I thought, 676 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:17.880 you know, I worked for family businesses and all of 677 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:19.400 that kind of stuff, and I thought there would be 678 00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:22.519 a lot of family dynamics that come up. But like 679 00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:27.199 the animals do, sometimes the gods turned it back around 680 00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:29.880 and they're like, no, Meredith, here, let's talk about you. 681 00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:35.159 Let's talk about you. And I was like, do it? 682 00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:39.159 Do I really really? The two of you, we've known 683 00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:39.719 each other. 684 00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:44.199 A long long time, but we've not had really personal 685 00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:46.880 conversations in quite a few years. 686 00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:49.360 Right, so you really. 687 00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:51.159 Didn't know what was going on in my personal life, 688 00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:53.679 my professional life, my family life, any of those things. 689 00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:56.880 But ye'll Kieren, Julie, you know how much we love 690 00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:00.960 working in tandem to do an animal communication reading, watching 691 00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:01.880 these two. 692 00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:04.199 Just tune in. 693 00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:08.159 It's we just finished an episode about channeling, and it 694 00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:12.400 really was almost like watching YouTube channel from the Guides 695 00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:19.199 to deliver very important and impactful messages to me. 696 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.800 It was all extremely relevant, It was all right on target. 697 00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:27.639 It was beautiful to see you work together, especially knowing 698 00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:31.440 your history and how difficult it probably was for you 699 00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:36.039 to figure out a way to work together. But it 700 00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:40.199 was very natural, it was very comfortable. I highly highly 701 00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:45.280 recommend anyone who's interested contact these two. They kept telling 702 00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:48.440 me the stuff that I know, I know, I know, 703 00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:49.840 and I'm like. 704 00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:52.320 How did you possibly know to talk about? Oh, hello universe, 705 00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:55.800 Hello universe. 706 00:38:56.920 --> 00:38:58.679 Oh that's great feedback. Thank you, Meredith. 707 00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:01.039 Yeah, thank you so much for mariat even though I 708 00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:02.760 was late, and you gave me some grace for that. 709 00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:05.960 Because I was working, which you told me I should 710 00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:06.360 do less of. 711 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:07.000 Right. 712 00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:12.800 Actually, that was the Guides telling you, I know, I know. 713 00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:15.119 But how beautiful that the two of you are able 714 00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:20.280 to be conduits for that information from the Guides and 715 00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:22.760 to be able to do it together from thousands of 716 00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:28.119 miles apart, in such a beautiful way. Your healing journey 717 00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:31.679 has brought you so far. There are multiple times when 718 00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:33.400 you've been talking that I've teered up a little bit, 719 00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:37.880 feel very emotional about it all. You're truly inspiring. So 720 00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:38.599 thank you for that. 721 00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:43.199 Thank you Meredith so much, Karen and Julie. 722 00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.519 Do you all have any other questions to ask of 723 00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:47.239 these amazing, amazing women. 724 00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:50.760 I do, if you guys don't mind, because I had 725 00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:55.519 the opportunity to meet Jenny at an Ainsley McLoud event. Yes, 726 00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:58.400 it was awesome, Yeah it was. 727 00:39:58.760 --> 00:39:58.920 I know. 728 00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:00.760 He was so excited I saw you walk. I'm like, 729 00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:02.559 oh my gosh, I know we're from CPP Lane. 730 00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:04.119 Yeah, yelp world. 731 00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:07.320 I was so nervous by the way to introduce myself 732 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:10.639 to you, just because you were like, I know this 733 00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.119 is but this is part of like mine, just because 734 00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:15.400 you were you know, and I'll say it this way, 735 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.679 like you'd been a professional animal communicator in. 736 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:21.920 Her world longer than me. 737 00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:25.079 You're you're an older alumni than I am in that part, 738 00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:27.599 and so I was just like, oh, hello, hello. 739 00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:32.599 You feel you were so kind and gracious. I am 740 00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:35.880 curious though, because I'm a huge fan of his work 741 00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:36.719 and all of that. 742 00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:40.119 So I'm curious how the soul guides the purpose the 743 00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:43.480 soul age, the soul type, is there anything? 744 00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:45.239 And I know that's a whole lot. I would love 745 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:47.360 to actually have him on the podcast at some point here. 746 00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:52.440 How has that work even impacted your own healing journeys 747 00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:54.440 and even moving into what you. 748 00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:59.199 Help

people with now, I'll just jump in. 749 00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:03.119 I think that certainly his books and and his his 750 00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:06.719 work has been very, very influential. And Ronnie and I 751 00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:09.159 actually have had a couple of joint readings individual but 752 00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:13.639 also joint readings about our work together with Ainsley, and 753 00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:18.199 so I I think, you know, the soul the soul 754 00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:21.360 level age and all that is interesting to know, but 755 00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:23.960 for me, it's the connection with the soul guides and 756 00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:27.320 receiving the messages from the soul guides. And I think 757 00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:31.079 I think meeting with Ainsley, he just he for me, 758 00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:35.719 just reaffirmed what we had already felt like we developed 759 00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:39.480 and tuned into with the animal communication and the soul 760 00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:43.679 level intuitive coaching work with Danielle and you all. And 761 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:45.880 he told us both, he said, he said, you two 762 00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:50.119 are highly highly intuitive psychic. He said, this is you're 763 00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:52.519 on your apps. The guides say you're absolutely on the 764 00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:58.000 right path. And so that was very very affirming for 765 00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:01.679 me and I think for because you know, as you 766 00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:04.639 all know, if you get you get these downloads of information, 767 00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:07.079 it's like, am I making this up or you know, 768 00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:09.079 so I just I'm not going to filter it. I'm 769 00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:11.360 just going to share. It may sound crazy, but here 770 00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:14.440 it comes. And it's just so I feel so humbled 771 00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:17.119 that the guides are working with me and that I'm 772 00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:20.679 you know, I'm receiving those messages so clearly, and that's 773 00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:23.199 what I'm talking about. It's not me, It's coming from 774 00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:26.000 the guides, you know. I'm just I'm just here to 775 00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:29.239 share what they're telling me. And I love it. I 776 00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:31.360 want to do more of it. I if I could 777 00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:33.280 do this all the time, I would do it all 778 00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:36.880 the time, because it's just I end up, you know, 779 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:39.159 I end up at the end of a session, whatever 780 00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:42.320 has come through. You know, as Danielle had said many times, 781 00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:45.760 there are also some messages for the for the person 782 00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:49.440 that's you know, receiving those messages and sharing them. And 783 00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:54.679 I always feel so

so hopeful, so joyful and and 784 00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:58.440 so at peace during those readings and after those readings. 785 00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:00.280 And you probably know what I'm talking about about, that 786 00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:06.320 experience of being there to assist another person and connect 787 00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:08.199 like that is just very meaningful for me. 788 00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:11.000 Yeah, oh thank you, Yeah, I would. 789 00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:14.000 I would echo with Jenny said, I think I've read 790 00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:15.719 his books, and I actually I got a chance to 791 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:18.559 go to a workshop with him, a weekend workshop at 792 00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:22.360 Kripalu before I ever did the animal communication and so 793 00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:25.760 he you know, led us through a bunch of meditations 794 00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:27.840 and I had some really interesting experiences. 795 00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:29.320 And that was when I was. 796 00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:33.960 Still very new with the idea that I could develop 797 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:37.320 my own intuitive capacity, and so he was very affirming 798 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.239 in that. And actually in the last reading Jenny and 799 00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:42.679 I had with him jointly, you know, the guys came 800 00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:45.920 through and said, you deserve a bigger audience because there 801 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:47.639 are a lot of people out there looking for what 802 00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:51.960 you're doing. And so that really was a nice little 803 00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:56.079 light under us, you know, to be like, okay, keep going, 804 00:43:56.760 --> 00:43:59.320 keep being open to what else you can put out there. So, like, 805 00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:04.119 we recently launched a subsect that's focused on just answering 806 00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:07.800 questions about childhood trauma, what it is, it impacts, how 807 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.119 to heal from it, how to support somebody who's healing, 808 00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:14.199 to raise awareness on all levels and so we're just 809 00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:18.599 looking for ways other ways to get this information out 810 00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:22.599 into the world because we just feel called to do it, 811 00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.000 and we felt called for a while before we actually 812 00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:28.719 did anything. And we keep moving forward. We just recorded 813 00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:33.280 the first episode for season seven of our podcast because 814 00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:36.480 we continue to feel like people are looking for this 815 00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:39.920 and we're not sure exactly how many, but some of 816 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:42.800 them are. So people are listening, downloading, buying the book, 817 00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:48.360 and so it means it's a way for us to 818 00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:53.639 find

meaning in all that we've been through. Yes, right, 819 00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:57.960 making what happened to us means something not just for 820 00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:01.119 our own journey and our relationship with our family and 821 00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:04.760 friends and colleagues and so on, but to actually improve 822 00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:08.079 the world and to get to a point where we 823 00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:10.639 can talk not just about helping people heal from trauma, 824 00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:12.960 but how can we make sure people aren't traumatized in 825 00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:13.840 the first place? 826 00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:14.639 Right? 827 00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:16.599 How can we move the world to that point? 828 00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:24.000 What a beautiful idea, a sentiment, idea, hope for the future, 829 00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:26.760 because is they all know, I know a little bit 830 00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:29.480 of astrology be dangerous, but we're at this really interesting 831 00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:32.679 point astrology wise, particularly on Friday, right with Saturday and 832 00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:35.119 Neptune at the zero point of areas. So what a 833 00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:38.719 wonderful to be able to put that wish, that desire, 834 00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:42.000 that momentum out in the world. And I agree with 835 00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:44.880 you that there's there seems to be such a need 836 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:48.320 and I'm even like a hunger for this work. Does 837 00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:51.800 trauma work? When I watch the It's gonna say the 838 00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:56.800 popularity or I keep seeing doctor gibormonte everywhere, Richard Schwartz 839 00:45:56.920 --> 00:45:59.719 is everywhere. You know, there's I'm looking at my bookshelf, 840 00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:02.960 who a lot, even Ken Wilbur with spiral dynamics. There's 841 00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:07.599 so much conversation around trauma and that what we all 842 00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:11.760 possess of trauma, collective trauma, even intergenerational trauma. So the 843 00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:15.800 work you both are doing is fascinating and absolutely yeah, 844 00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:17.719 I couldn't agree more so well needed. 845 00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:18.239 So thank you. 846 00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:19.119 Yeah. 847 00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:23.000 And I remember when I was first reaching out to 848 00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:25.320 you guys to see if we could have some of 849 00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:27.559 these conversations. I think you had just done or were 850 00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:32.159 about to do a presentation together at the school where 851 00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:36.000 you work, Ronnie, about sibling interactions and all of that, 852 00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:39.119 and you were saying that the show of hands sometimes 853 00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:41.280 at the end of the class where people are like 854 00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:46.639 I think I have that. You know, this is another 855 00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:50.719 example of your voice needs to be heard, speaking up, 856 00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:53.159 speaking my voice. But doing this podcast, putting all this 857 00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:55.800 out there was such a huge challenge for me personally, 858 00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:57.360 because who wants to hear my voice? 859 00:46:58.119 --> 00:46:59.400 My voice doesn't really matter. 860 00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:01.719 You know, all the things we were told as children 861 00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:03.880 and all of the things that we learned to believe 862 00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:08.840 about ourselves, all of that. Yeah, bringing that forward, we're 863 00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:14.960 realizing just how many people need those messages to feel 864 00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:18.760 like they can actually step up break the cycle. So 865 00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:21.960 excited about this next book about breaking the cycle. Talk 866 00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.760 to my kiddos about that all the time. Just because 867 00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:28.320 this is the last hell ever many generations doesn't mean 868 00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:31.119 it needs to be the next, right can we do 869 00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:34.280 to bring the cycle? So I thank you for both 870 00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:39.320 being so willing and I mean raw putting yourself out 871 00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:42.679 there in the first place to bring up these difficult 872 00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:47.320 topics and to help the people that you've helped. You're 873 00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:50.239 helping me and you don't even know it. We'll talk 874 00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:55.199 more about that later. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. So let's 875 00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:57.480 tell the world. I've got a ton of links in 876 00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:00.280 the show notes, but tell the world how how can 877 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:02.880 they find you, Ronnie and Jenny? 878 00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:03.719 How did they find you? 879 00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:04.800 Oh? 880 00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:07.559 Yeah, well, I mean the website is the best place 881 00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:09.639 because you can find everything there. So it's Ronnie and 882 00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:13.280 Jenny dot com r O N N I and j 883 00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:16.519 E N N I E. But we are on Instagram 884 00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:19.519 Ronnie and Jenny. We have a substack. We're on Blue 885 00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:23.159 Sky that's brand new. That's more political stuff, but there's 886 00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:25.559 starting to be more cultural things on there as well. 887 00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:30.679 So we have a book, a podcast, There's lots of 888 00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:34.360 free content on our website, short articles we've written. We've 889 00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:36.280 got our one minute blog. If you just need to 890 00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:39.280 be uplifted for a moment, right

you're having a cup 891 00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:41.559 of tea and you're thinking, oh, I'm feeling kind of discouraged. 892 00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:43.960 What can I you know, what can I look at 893 00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:45.960 that will maybe cheer me up or give me something 894 00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:49.000 positive to think about. So, but the website will link 895 00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:52.280 you to absolutely everything that we're doing, and most of 896 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:56.920 it is free, so people can just just enjoy it 897 00:48:57.519 --> 00:48:59.599 and benefit from it. And we always I wanted to 898 00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:01.920 put in a plug for people to let us know 899 00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:05.639 what they think. Right, they can message us via the 900 00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:08.840 sub sect, via Instagram, via the website and let us 901 00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:11.679 know what kind of content you want, because there may 902 00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:14.679 be things that we could create, could put out there 903 00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:17.679 that we're not aware people are looking for. So we're 904 00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:18.920 always happy to respond to that. 905 00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:23.400 Anything to add, Jenny, Just our. 906 00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:26.199 Message that I feel like I always share at the 907 00:49:26.360 --> 00:49:29.639 end is that you know, our whole mission really is 908 00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:34.280 about love and self love, acceptance and knowing that you 909 00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:38.039 are not alone. You are not alone in this in 910 00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:40.880 this past, and we are here to support you and 911 00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:42.639 love you and help you anyway we can. 912 00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:46.639 Yes, And I'm just going to say thank you to 913 00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:50.639 the animals for bringing us, guiding us all here, because 914 00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:55.400 they are the foundation of seeing who we are, loving 915 00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:59.079 us no matter what, and giving us the space to 916 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:03.039 have some faith in ourselves. So I'm just animals that 917 00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:06.039 we each have in our families that led us to 918 00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:08.119 getting a chance to see each other, meet each other 919 00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:08.960 and support each other. 920 00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:11.360 I'm very grateful for that. 921 00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:13.039 Yeah, very grateful. 922 00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:16.800 I'm so grateful for all of us being brought together 923 00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:18.440 to have this conversation today. 924 00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:20.119 Thank you so much, ladies for being here. 925 00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:23.239 Oh, thank you for having us. We've been looking forward 926 00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:23.480 to it. 927 00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:26.840 Such a pleasure to see all of your beautiful faces again. 928 00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:29.079 Oh my gosh, thank you. 929 00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:35.559 Wow, Thank you so much to Ronnie and Jenny, Ronnie 930 00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:38.320 Tishner and Jenny Weaver. We hope that all of our 931 00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:42.960 listeners enjoyed today's conversation on the Animal Communication Podcast cash. 932 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.679 We talked a lot about intuitive healing and families and 933 00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:49.719 animal communication and siblings and a lot of deep stuff 934 00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:52.559 we're going to have to really process here, so listeners, 935 00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:55.840 let us know what you thought. Drop us an email 936 00:50:56.920 --> 00:51:00.639 or download themindbodyspirit dot fm app and use the open 937 00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:04.320 mic feature to record a thirty second question for us. 938 00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:05.639 We love hearing from you. 939 00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:08.840 We might actually read your question and address it on 940 00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:12.000 a future episode. We would love to have our listeners 941 00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:14.760 be interactive and involved in these conversations that we have, 942 00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:18.679 so thank you everyone for joining me Meredith Tollison and 943 00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:20.400 my friends and co hosts. 944 00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:22.679 Julie Heart and Karen Dandy Smith. 945 00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:25.800 For more information about each of us and to keep 946 00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:28.960 up to date on our episodes, follow us on mindbodyspirit, 947 00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:32.840 dot fm, Apple, Spotify, and wherever you get your podcasts. 948 00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:37.360 You can contact us at info at Theanimalcommunication Podcast dot 949 00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:40.039 com with any questions you have and we'll answer it 950 00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:43.519 during a future episode. 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